[0:07] Let's rewind. Rewind.
[0:13] >> Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I
[0:15] am your humble host, Ryan Ary, and today
[0:18] we're going to talk about something.
[0:19] This is a little bit old news, but we we
[0:21] finally got around to talking about
[0:22] this. We're going to talk about how the
[0:23] Russo brothers said that Avengers
[0:25] Doomsday, they're thinking of in terms
[0:27] of a phase zero. They don't want
[0:29] anything to about the movie to rely on
[0:33] previous movies or films as much as
[0:35] possible, which seems impossible to do.
[0:38] So, we're going to talk about that and
[0:40] some other Marvel tidbits. Also, a
[0:42] leaked trailer for Spider-Man Brand New
[0:44] Day uh dropped. I of course
[0:47] didn't watch the leaked trailer. I would
[0:49] never do such a thing. However, there
[0:51] are rumors and rattlings I've heard
[0:53] about it online that I think we're going
[0:55] to talk about because it sounds like it
[0:56] could be an interesting film based on
[0:58] what we've seen so far. We're going to
[1:00] just talk about latest news on that. And
[1:01] of course, we want to hear from you guys
[1:03] down in the comments and in the super
[1:04] chats. Let us know what you think about
[1:06] all this. And as always, super chats are
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[1:30] merch discount. But first, let me bring
[1:32] on our special panelist. Uh we got one
[1:35] or two people who might be running a bit
[1:36] late. But first up, you know him as
[1:38] Doug's attorney, Mr. Mike Misella.
[1:40] What's going on, Mike?
[1:42] >> Hey, Ryan. Uh, I mean, little awkward. I
[1:45] got to say I'm a little caught off
[1:46] guard. You're talking about Marvel and
[1:47] Doomsday and I thought we were here
[1:49] today to talk about the big news, which
[1:51] is, of course, we finally got a
[1:53] whalefall trailer.
[1:55] >> Yeah, I know. After Yeah. No, I know. I
[1:58] know.
[1:58] >> After all the anticipation, whale fall
[2:00] is coming. That whale is falling. Who's
[2:02] going to catch it? I don't know. Not me.
[2:05] All right. But I know that me and all my
[2:06] fellow whale watchers out there are
[2:08] going to be in the theaters day one. I
[2:10] already got my tickets.
[2:13] The tickets went on sale today, too, and
[2:14] I missed. Well, my theater will be sold
[2:16] out.
[2:16] >> Yeah, I got special connections. Okay. I
[2:18] I had to do a whole nautical thing. I
[2:19] don't know if you noticed. That's also
[2:20] why I'm wet. I'm not sweaty. It's just
[2:23] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's a really
[2:24] interesting blank sky background behind
[2:26] you as well. Very very
[2:28] >> Yeah. Thanks. I also I mean whale fall.
[2:29] My This whale is falling.
[2:32] >> Oh, I couldn't even read it. Yeah, I got
[2:33] you. Um uh and if and if you guys are
[2:35] behind on this, we we covered the Disney
[2:37] Upfronts thinking we would get a trailer
[2:38] for something and instead we got the
[2:40] announcement of Whalefall, which we were
[2:42] all very excited about. Next up, you
[2:43] know her from her very own channel,
[2:45] Whitney Vision. Here she is, Miss
[2:47] Whitney L Van Landingham. What is going
[2:49] on, Whitney? How are you?
[2:50] >> Hi, I'm good. How are you?
[2:54] >> Wow, it's been so long since somebody
[2:55] actually asked me that. [laughter]
[2:58] >> I'm great.
[2:59] >> That's why I'm here, baby. I'm here
[3:00] because I care about you.
[3:03] I care about I just want to throw that
[3:05] out there. No,
[3:06] >> you care about whales, Mike. Don't lie.
[3:08] >> I I also care about the whales. Okay.
[3:10] Some of them are endangered. [laughter]
[3:12] >> Whitney, is that Pugsley on your pillow
[3:13] behind you?
[3:14] >> Um, this is a pug mask. Uh, you can you
[3:18] can wear it on your on your head like
[3:21] Yeah. And then you become a pug. And uh
[3:26] it's great. Brett was Pugsley for
[3:27] Halloween a few years ago.
[3:29] >> Excellent. Yeah. Love it. Love it. You
[3:31] should wear that on Whitney Vision
[3:32] sometimes when you're doing your
[3:33] animation videos and animated
[3:35] breakdowns. It would fit right in.
[3:37] >> Oh, that was such a sick plug. That was
[3:39] such a serious
[3:40] >> see what I do for you. You see the
[3:41] things I do. It's like, and if you love
[3:43] Mike's level of humor, you can always,
[3:45] of course, catch him at his comedy shows
[3:47] every week. Mike M Comedy on Instagram
[3:49] with links for that down below. And
[3:50] finally, a guy who has his own YouTube
[3:53] channel, who also does a lot of stuff
[3:54] here at Screen Crush as a full-time
[3:56] staff member. You know him as a guy
[3:57] who's trapped in our TV and doesn't know
[3:59] it, so please don't tell him. Mr. Colton
[4:00] Augburn.
[4:02] Aug.
[4:03] >> I I don't I I don't care how you're
[4:06] doing. I I don't care.
[4:08] >> Yeah, that's okay, man. You're in good
[4:10] company with the rest of Earth.
[4:12] >> I really care how [laughter] you're
[4:14] doing.
[4:15] >> Hey, you know, I I messaged you. My my
[4:18] camera's giving me trouble when you want
[4:20] to know what the problem was.
[4:21] >> What?
[4:21] >> Yes.
[4:22] >> You're too beautiful.
[4:23] >> What?
[4:24] >> [ __ ] wasn't plugged in.
[4:26] >> No.
[4:27] >> Wait, that'll do it.
[4:28] >> I'll be honest. I wasn't paying
[4:29] attention at the start of what you said.
[4:31] What wasn't plugged in?
[4:32] >> The the camera just wasn't plugged. I'm
[4:34] sitting there like troubleshooting your
[4:35] camera and everything and then I look
[4:38] and the cable that connects it to my
[4:40] computer is just
[4:41] >> just dangling. I got to say for all the
[4:43] technical problems that I have, that's
[4:45] not one of them. I know where I know
[4:46] where the cables go. I'm sitting there
[4:48] troubleshooting, going into the
[4:49] settings, checking the HDMI out and all
[4:51] in the cable,
[4:54] >> just dangling the whole time, mocking
[4:55] you like the pet in the pendulum,
[4:57] swinging back and forth.
[4:59] >> Well, Colton, I'm glad you're here. I
[5:00] don't know if you missed it in the
[5:01] intro, but we're going to talk about how
[5:03] the Russo brothers have been talking
[5:05] about this phase zero. I want to go over
[5:07] that news with you guys, and I want to
[5:08] hear first of all what you guys think
[5:10] that means for the multiverse saga and
[5:12] whether or not it's required viewing. Is
[5:14] that [ __ ] on the multiverse saga?
[5:15] But then later, I want to talk about
[5:16] this idea of a soft reboot and maybe
[5:19] what you're hopeful or what you're
[5:20] looking forward to the MCU kind of
[5:22] getting rid of in the soft reboot and
[5:24] what you want to see them keep. And of
[5:26] course, you guys can let us know in the
[5:27] comments. Super chats are always, like I
[5:28] said, encouraged but not required. So,
[5:30] let's start with this quote from the
[5:32] Rootoes, right? They were at South by
[5:34] Southwest London, which by the way, also
[5:37] the site of a pretty kick-ass coffee
[5:39] shop. I don't know [laughter] if you
[5:40] guys are up on that.
[5:42] Uh Joe Russo speaking to the Hollywood
[5:44] Reporter from South by Southwest London
[5:46] uh said the serial shifting changing and
[5:49] the serial shifting and changing and
[5:51] surprising and then reinventing itself
[5:53] and then shifting and changing. I think
[5:54] you're going to see some shifting and
[5:56] changing with doomsday. We were both
[5:57] talking about this concept that we are
[5:59] back to phase zero. This is starting
[6:02] over from scratch. We want to make sure
[6:04] everybody feels like this isn't leaning
[6:06] on anything from the past. Uh,
[6:10] >> damn. Say say shifting and changing one
[6:13] more time, boys. Say it one more time.
[6:14] >> Yeah, I don't know what the context of
[6:15] that was. I don't SAY IT ONE MORE TIME,
[6:17] [ __ ] NOW, [laughter] WHAT DO
[6:19] YOU guys say one more? Um,
[6:23] how in the hell can this movie, let's
[6:24] just start with the practical matter.
[6:25] How can Avengers Doomsday with all those
[6:29] chairs? How can they possibly, and I'm
[6:31] not saying it's not possible, but how
[6:33] can they tell a story that's not reliant
[6:35] on knowledge of the past? They, the
[6:37] Russos even said, by the way, they could
[6:39] not have made the movie Captain America:
[6:40] Civil War if it weren't for what had
[6:43] come before in the MCU. There's no way
[6:44] to make that movie work with with a
[6:46] quarter of the cast without the previous
[6:48] history of the MCU.
[6:49] >> Can I just say,
[6:50] >> you think it's possible that the first
[6:52] hour of the movie is just exposition?
[6:54] >> No. Just like, and here's this person,
[6:56] this person,
[6:57] >> old sonar. Like
[7:00] >> I I'm elated to have our our two fine
[7:02] guests here, but I I do wish that Alex
[7:04] was here because he wrote a great
[7:06] article saying, "Can the Russos just be
[7:08] normal about Doomsday?" and talks about
[7:10] their tone poems and everything.
[7:13] >> They're so weird, man. When you were
[7:16] reading that, my eyes just glazed over.
[7:19] He sounds like he's trying to meet a
[7:20] word count on an essay that's due in
[7:23] four minutes. [laughter] Like,
[7:24] >> no, seriously. How many times is it
[7:26] shifting and changing three times?
[7:29] That's somebody who's looking to hit a
[7:30] word count. I thought it was a typo
[7:32] thesaurus open
[7:33] >> double space. Make periods a larger
[7:35] font.
[7:36] >> You can ring in the margins.
[7:38] >> You can totally do it. I mean, we didn't
[7:40] need the origin story of Han Solo,
[7:42] Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker,
[7:44] Chewbacca, Lando cover, you know,
[7:46] everybody to watch Star Lando's in the
[7:47] second.
[7:48] >> No, but that was five cast members, not
[7:51] 50. Oh, Darth Vader, the Stormtroopers,
[7:54] you know, just every movie has a [ __ ]
[7:56] ton of characters in it. Like, but you
[7:58] don't
[7:59] >> like so much. Yeah, the Stormtroopers
[8:01] got me there.
[8:02] >> Yeah. But I'm saying like you don't need
[8:04] like all these buildup films for each
[8:07] character. You can have an ensemble cast
[8:08] and I think to a movie that'll work. Uh
[8:10] so, and if that's what they're saying is
[8:13] you can walk into Doomsday and just
[8:14] watch it. Sure. I don't know why they're
[8:17] feeling the need to say this is from
[8:19] scratch. This is phase zero. Everyone
[8:22] saw Avengers Endgame like multiple
[8:24] times. That movie nearly cracked three
[8:26] billion. So, I don't know why they're
[8:27] even really feeling the need to say it's
[8:29] completely from scratch. But I just wish
[8:32] they would be normal. And if they don't
[8:33] have anything to say about Doomsday yet,
[8:35] that's fine. Shut up. Just stop talking
[8:38] about Terry.
[8:39] >> Yeah,
[8:39] >> you don't have to. Nobody's holding a
[8:41] gun to your head. It's okay.
[8:43] >> Yeah.
[8:44] Well, Whitney, uh, I don't know. Tell me
[8:47] what you think here as far as this idea.
[8:49] What phase zero [ __ ] means? What?
[8:52] Okay, we should talk about phase zero
[8:54] then.
[8:54] >> What does that even mean?
[8:57] >> It's a prequel. Phase one confirmed.
[9:01] >> Yeah. Okay. So, this is the prequel. Is
[9:03] this the Phantom Menace of the MCU?
[9:05] Like, is that what are we going to get?
[9:07] Are we going to get Dr. Doom pod racing?
[9:09] Cuz that's what I want, baby.
[9:10] >> Godzilla minus one and phase one.
[9:13] >> Yes, exactly.
[9:14] >> I don't I don't think they literally
[9:16] meant it's phase zero, right? I do think
[9:19] what they mean though is they're trying
[9:20] to achieve something where you don't
[9:21] have to have seen the multiverse saga to
[9:23] come into this. I think what I think
[9:25] they have to do a very weird
[9:27] >> Well, but but that's the thing. It the
[9:29] reason why they did it is because
[9:30] corporate forced them to make too much
[9:32] [ __ ] for Disney Plus. So, they couldn't
[9:34] make Avengers movies over the past few
[9:36] years because it was logistically
[9:37] impossible because they were being asked
[9:38] to make hundreds of hours of content
[9:40] while also getting an Avengers movie
[9:42] ready for last year, which is what their
[9:44] original plan was. So, the fact that
[9:46] they've only they've not only been
[9:48] handed make a good movie, but make a
[9:50] good movie that wraps up this saga, oh,
[9:52] but that also ignores this saga seems
[9:55] very weird to me because the saga had
[9:58] good [ __ ] and I'm really disappointed
[10:00] that we're not that it's going to be
[10:02] focused on Steve Rogers and not Shani.
[10:05] I think I know what they might do with
[10:07] it. And it's kind of like the almost
[10:10] like the obvious thing to do, but they
[10:12] have a way to get out of it without it
[10:13] seeming cheap. And that is to keep the
[10:15] good and get rid of the bad, right?
[10:17] They're going to have some things from
[10:19] the Multiverse Saga that need to be
[10:21] known for this movie, right? You need to
[10:23] know what's going on with Loki. You're
[10:25] going to be very confused if you don't
[10:26] know what's going on with Loki. Good
[10:28] news is that one was a hit, right?
[10:30] They're not going to touch Secret
[10:31] Invasion, but good news there is not a
[10:34] lot of people watched that. Not a lot of
[10:35] people watched Iron Hart. Nobody watched
[10:37] Ekko. Like there's a bunch of things
[10:38] that they're just not going to touch
[10:40] because they don't need to. And I feel
[10:42] like the things that people actually
[10:44] watched like Wanda Division. Uh even if
[10:47] you didn't see Captain America, Brave
[10:49] New World, you probably watched Falcon
[10:52] and the Winter Soldier because it was
[10:53] the pandemic and everyone watched it.
[10:54] You know that Sam Wilson is Captain
[10:56] America. probably a lot of people
[10:58] watched Thunderbolts when it eventually
[10:59] came out on streaming, right? Like I
[11:01] know it didn't do well at the box
[11:02] office, but then the hype got around. I
[11:05] think they're going to acknowledge and
[11:07] use the good stuff as crucial plot
[11:09] points and everything that was not
[11:10] popular or didn't go over well, they're
[11:12] just gonna like
[11:14] >> Well, Mike, you're speaking in
[11:15] generalities a lot there. You know,
[11:17] you're saying like everybody did this.
[11:18] >> You want me to say specifics like who I
[11:20] think is staying and
[11:21] >> No, [laughter] no, no, no, no. Hold on.
[11:22] I got a followup. I got a followup for
[11:24] you. uh when when Doctor Strange
[11:26] Multiverse of Madness came out, a lot of
[11:28] like let's just say general audiences,
[11:30] civilians, and that movie made a lot of
[11:31] money, right? A lot of people showed up
[11:33] and were confused because they didn't
[11:34] watch Wision because not everybody has a
[11:36] Disney Plus subscription. Now, I know W
[11:38] Division obviously was watched by a lot
[11:40] of people, had a lot of buzz, but the
[11:42] normal people out there who don't follow
[11:44] who don't who aren't don't have YouTube
[11:46] channels um aren't necessarily following
[11:48] every single thing that comes out. And a
[11:49] lot of those people did skip
[11:51] Thunderbolts and all these other things.
[11:53] So, I mean, when you're talking about
[11:55] everybody saw this, I think you're
[11:56] talking about either the people who saw
[11:58] in the or the people with the Disney
[11:59] Plus subscription. And I that's why I do
[12:02] understand that they do kind of have to
[12:03] go back to Endgame and go, "Hey,
[12:05] remember this is a sequel to the last
[12:06] Avengers movie."
[12:09] >> Go ahead.
[12:11] I think more time has elapsed between
[12:14] when this movie is going to come out and
[12:17] when Loki came out or Wision came out
[12:19] compared to when Wision came out and
[12:21] Multiverse of Madness came out. I think
[12:23] by now, even if you didn't take the time
[12:25] to watch all of the shows on Disney
[12:29] Plus, there are these wonderful channels
[12:30] on YouTube that break down and summarize
[12:32] all of the things that happened at the
[12:33] plot points. I think a lot of people
[12:35] were like, "I'm going to skip that show,
[12:36] but I'll get the summary. I'll get the
[12:38] spark notes." And at least by now when
[12:40] you get to Doomsday, the people that
[12:43] care enough to clock the plot points
[12:45] will have caught themselves up even if
[12:47] they didn't want to commit a bunch of
[12:50] time to Hawkeye or whatever.
[12:52] >> I agree.
[12:53] >> If the Loki series or a YouTube channel
[12:57] recap is required viewing to see this
[13:00] movie, they have already failed going
[13:01] into it.
[13:02] >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't
[13:05] watch Loki.
[13:07] What? What, Whitney?
[13:08] >> Oh, I I know so many people who didn't
[13:10] watch Loki. I know so many people who
[13:12] fell off after pretty much Wanda
[13:14] Division and then they just kind of
[13:15] never got back on. So, it is I think it
[13:19] is
[13:20] >> really a huge disservice to all of the
[13:22] work that they did in the multiverse
[13:24] saga to have them say things like, "Oh,
[13:27] no. Don't worry. We're going back to
[13:28] phase zero. You guys won't have to know
[13:30] any of that [ __ ] we did. Haha. Can
[13:33] you believe we did all that crazy stuff?
[13:35] No more. No more. you don't have to
[13:37] worry about that ever again. That just
[13:39] does such a disservice to all of the
[13:41] really cool parts of the multiverse
[13:42] saga. So, I'm I'm a little annoyed with
[13:45] phase zero. I'm like, [ __ ] off. You're
[13:47] just not smart enough to think of a way
[13:49] to wrap it up good.
[13:50] >> And here's
[13:51] >> But even if they did wrap it up
[13:52] perfectly, I just kind of I was getting
[13:54] out with Mike. I think a lot of people
[13:55] the mo most people would What the who
[13:58] who is this? Like I don't who is this
[14:00] person? You know, a lot of that.
[14:02] >> Yeah. Well, and here's the good thing
[14:04] about this being a direct sequel to
[14:05] Endgame, which I called months before
[14:07] they said that. Let me do my little won
[14:10] a medal. Like, congratulations.
[14:13] So, she doesn't.
[14:15] Sorry. Wait a um
[14:17] >> Oh, no. It's okay.
[14:19] >> One of the great things about it being a
[14:20] direct sequel though, and I love Loki. I
[14:22] think a lot of people saw Loki, but I
[14:24] think anytime, even if it's a hit TV
[14:26] show, even like something like Wanda
[14:27] Vision that we were all uh in lockdown
[14:30] and like everybody watched it. You can't
[14:32] have a TV show be required viewing for a
[14:34] movie. I mean, I've said that till I'm
[14:35] as blue as this void behind me uh in the
[14:38] face. So, with Loki, you you have a huge
[14:43] loose end in Endgame that is directly
[14:46] tied to time travel and branching
[14:48] timelines [clears throat] and the
[14:49] multiverse. You could so easily with how
[14:52] Endgame ended and Steve going into the
[14:55] quantum realm and all that. There's
[14:56] gonna be a scene
[14:58] >> in Doomsday that they can so easily
[15:01] catch us up with a conversation between
[15:03] Loki and some other character to let
[15:05] everybody know, yeah, when you guys
[15:07] tampered with time, this thing happened.
[15:10] And that will tell you everything you
[15:11] need to know. And then that'll, you
[15:13] know, help the Loki series probably do
[15:14] even more numbers like, oh, maybe I'll
[15:16] go watch that series. But it if they
[15:18] just open with Loki sitting on the
[15:20] throne at the end of time and like don't
[15:22] even bother to like give us any
[15:24] information on that, which I do not
[15:26] think they'll do, that would be a very
[15:29] very big mistake. I think
[15:31] >> if they want to do real box office
[15:32] numbers, they will show Loki making out
[15:35] with Owen Wilson on the back of a
[15:36] [ __ ] jet ski like we all goddamn
[15:38] wanted. If that that's how they can hook
[15:40] me with phase zero.
[15:42] >> Let's go.
[15:43] >> But for real, Whitney, that should just
[15:44] be the trailer like that. Yeah, I don't
[15:46] know if you've ever seen Big Top
[15:47] Pee-Wee, but it has the longest on
[15:48] screen kiss of all time. It's just like
[15:50] a fivem minute push in followed by a
[15:51] fiveminute pull [laughter] out.
[15:53] >> Crazy. But
[15:55] >> I think that this whole like phase zero
[15:57] thing a five minute pull out. Ryan, tell
[16:00] us more about that.
[16:01] >> It kind of defeats the purpose. Go
[16:02] ahead.
[16:03] >> Yeah, [laughter] it's a real slow pull
[16:04] out game. I don't know about you.
[16:06] >> N
[16:08] Rozy, sorry, Mike. Go ahead. [laughter]
[16:10] What were you saying?
[16:10] >> No, you're fine. I was just going to say
[16:12] like I think this would be a stupid
[16:14] idea, but I'm trying to think of other
[16:15] interpretations of phase zero and it's
[16:17] like what if they're going to show us
[16:18] like ancient MCU? They're going to reset
[16:21] everything and then the first thing that
[16:23] we get is like the celestials. It's like
[16:25] we're rebooting and we're starting with
[16:26] Eternals again.
[16:28] >> Well,
[16:28] >> we're rebooting and we're starting with
[16:29] God in the Garden of Natural.
[16:32] >> There was a comic book called Marvel
[16:34] Saga that did that that like narrated
[16:37] the whole [ __ ] thing from the start.
[16:38] Sorry, Whitney. Go ahead.
[16:40] Starting with the Garden of Eden.
[16:42] >> Yeah. No, starting at the Garden of
[16:43] Eden, baby. Let's go. Let's go back.
[16:45] >> I'd be down to see a Thor movie that's
[16:47] set in ancient Viking times. Like,
[16:50] that'd be sick, right? If we got a a
[16:52] Thor movie set in like 500 AD, like
[16:55] that'd be dope.
[16:56] >> Well, okay, you bring up you bring up a
[16:58] good point. I want to circle back to
[17:00] talking about Loki and stuff, but I want
[17:01] to talk about this in a bit, so I'll
[17:02] just bring it up now. So, the idea that
[17:04] they keep bringing up where Feige said
[17:06] at one point, we're going to do a soft
[17:07] reset, right? I think we've talked about
[17:09] this on various live streams before, but
[17:12] I'm kind of like looking back and going,
[17:14] there are some things that would be
[17:15] really cool to do. Now, obviously, you
[17:17] can reccon Secret Invasion. It never
[17:19] happened and you can do a real Secret
[17:20] Invasion movie like it should have been.
[17:22] But also, you brought up a good point
[17:23] because Thor was not in like one of the
[17:27] problem people have with the movies is
[17:28] that he uh he's a little kid during
[17:30] Norse times. So, where did the legend of
[17:32] Thor come from? So maybe that's one of
[17:34] those things they can reccon in this new
[17:37] universe where Thor was active during he
[17:40] was born in year zero and not year 500.
[17:42] That's a kind of a cool thing they could
[17:43] adapt and change. And I love that idea.
[17:46] >> Here's the reason it's called phase
[17:48] zero. Like seriously or not that it's
[17:50] called phase zero, but I I think I know.
[17:51] Was it Joe that said Joe Russo that said
[17:53] this? It's usually him that says all the
[17:55] talking. He's like,
[17:57] >> "Yeah, he's the taco."
[17:58] >> Um, I think what it means is I if you've
[18:02] read the 2015 Secret Wars, you know, and
[18:04] they're adapting it and time Runs Out is
[18:06] really going with Doomsday. We're going
[18:08] to see the multiverse collapse.
[18:10] >> We're going to get Battle World and then
[18:13] at the end of Secret Wars, we're going
[18:15] to get a brand new universe. And there's
[18:17] an interview they did a few months back.
[18:20] I forget which outlet it was with where
[18:22] they mentioned the Russos mentioned that
[18:24] this is not so much an ending as it is a
[18:27] beginning. And I think that's pretty
[18:29] much what they're saying here is that I
[18:31] I do think that Doomsday is going to
[18:33] feel like a a final chapter in a lot of
[18:36] ways. But then probably about midway
[18:37] through the film or in the third act is
[18:39] when we see that phase zero start and
[18:42] that's when this new beginning to this
[18:45] new universe that leads into the mutant
[18:46] saga begins. So I think
[18:48] >> all of their marketing I agree because
[18:50] all the marketing is based on
[18:51] countdowns.
[18:52] >> Yeah.
[18:52] >> So you count down to zero. I think maybe
[18:54] that's what they're going for with it.
[18:55] That makes total sense. Um but also it's
[18:58] the cycle of the universe. I mean most
[19:01] astrophysicists believe that you know we
[19:03] began with the big bang and that there's
[19:06] two theories. Either the universe keeps
[19:08] expanding forever until atoms are, you
[19:10] know, millions of light years apart or
[19:12] it hits a certain point and then
[19:13] coaleses into a big crunch which then
[19:15] starts the cycle again
[19:16] >> like collapses.
[19:17] >> And that cycle
[19:18] >> is what they do in the Marvel comics.
[19:19] That's where Galactus comes from. He's a
[19:21] holdover from the previous universe.
[19:22] >> No idea what you're talking about, man.
[19:24] God made the Earth in seven days. Says
[19:26] so in the Bible.
[19:27] >> Says so in the Bible.
[19:27] >> Also got that.
[19:28] >> No such thing as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs
[19:31] are wrong because those aren't in the
[19:32] Bible. And that's why we're talking
[19:34] about the fiction of the Marvel
[19:35] Cinematic Universe, guys, not the real
[19:37] world that you guys live in.
[19:39] >> The real visualiz MCU where evolution in
[19:43] the Big Bang exists. Yes.
[19:44] >> Yes.
[19:45] >> Exactly.
[19:45] >> They visualize the big crunch though in
[19:47] Loki, like tying it back to Loki. Yeah.
[19:50] In the in the finale of Loki, they show
[19:52] that
[19:53] >> it collapse and then go back in on
[19:54] itself and then the big bang happened
[19:56] again. Yeah.
[19:57] >> Yeah. Exactly. And the black holes are
[19:59] also tied.
[20:01] >> Yeah. Black holes are also tied to um
[20:04] the multiverse itself because in that
[20:06] same sequence you're talking about the
[20:07] start of Loki 106, the camera pulls out
[20:10] again. Takes like five minutes to pull
[20:12] all the way out and then um [laughter]
[20:14] and
[20:16] 13
[20:18] [laughter]
[20:21] >> and then uh you um and then like it goes
[20:24] into another universe through the other
[20:25] black hole it's like next to. So yes,
[20:27] that is like then uh Oraoris keeps
[20:31] describing like yeah, you know, it's
[20:32] like when you you the black hole turns
[20:34] you into spaghetti and then we see
[20:35] that's what incursions also do. They
[20:36] turn people into spaghetti and this like
[20:39] weird, you know, noodle kind of look
[20:41] like we saw in the end of Loki season 2.
[20:44] So Loki is kind of at the the center of
[20:46] this, which is unfortunate because it
[20:47] was a streaming show that is very
[20:50] complicated to explain to people. And
[20:51] I'm curious how you guys think they
[20:53] should or would or could address Loki
[20:56] and his new role in the show because if
[20:57] you if you pull somebody off the street,
[20:59] it's insane. It's Oh, did you see the
[21:01] Avengers movies? Oh, yeah. I like those.
[21:02] Did you like Loki? Oh, yeah. He died,
[21:04] right? Well, no, he didn't die. He went
[21:06] to this place with these time cops,
[21:08] right? And so there's this thing and
[21:09] this guy is the center of the universe.
[21:11] It is so [ __ ] weird and so hard to
[21:13] explain. So, how do you bring him in as
[21:16] the guy who can explain things to people
[21:18] while you also have to I want to hear
[21:20] some theories.
[21:21] >> I think it's exactly like Colton said,
[21:23] they bring him back and it's just one of
[21:24] those things where like you didn't need
[21:26] to see what happened with him at the TVA
[21:28] and everything. You saw him go through a
[21:30] time door. He comes back out through a
[21:31] time door. This is kind of like his
[21:33] Gandalf the White moment, right? like
[21:35] Loki returns, but he's changed
[21:37] >> and we don't need to know how he changed
[21:40] or why he changed. I mean,
[21:41] >> he's gayer now. Spoiler.
[21:44] >> He's much gayer now. He's much more
[21:45] fluid.
[21:46] >> Way gayer.
[21:47] >> Loki, they are very fluid and
[21:50] >> much. Let me have it.
[21:51] >> But when Gandalf the White came back,
[21:53] there was a flashback, right? He he
[21:55] didn't just narrate
[21:56] >> eventually, right? But like not
[21:58] >> Well, no. He shows up and then like he
[22:00] shows up and then he's like, "Oh, I
[22:02] fought the thing." And they're showing
[22:03] all that stuff like they're showing what
[22:05] happens to them as he tells them.
[22:06] >> I think they need to have the flashback.
[22:08] >> I I'm notorious.
[22:10] >> Oh, go ahead.
[22:11] >> No,
[22:12] >> you don't think they'll do that in a
[22:13] flashback? Um I'm notorious for hating
[22:16] exposition, but I I love it when it's
[22:18] between two characters that actually
[22:20] need to share information with one
[22:22] another in a story. So, if he if we see
[22:24] Loki like encounter Thor or encounter
[22:27] Steve Rogers and just say, "Hey, you
[22:30] know that thing you did in Endgame?" And
[22:32] hey, hey everybody watching, you know
[22:33] too because I know you saw the movie
[22:35] like twice.
[22:36] >> You know that thing that happened? Oh
[22:38] well I I went to the end of time and I
[22:40] saw the m just like three sentences. I
[22:42] went to the end of time. I saw the the
[22:45] universe dying. You know pretty much
[22:47] that speech that Kane gave to Janet just
[22:49] reps.
[22:51] I don't know what else to tell you.
[22:52] >> That's the only problem with this now
[22:54] that we're like like really working it
[22:56] out is if he has that conversation, how
[22:58] does he not include that conversation?
[23:00] Oh, and by the way, there's this guy
[23:01] called King the Conqueror and then we
[23:03] get into a whole thing about Kingway.
[23:06] >> All right. Well, let's get the King and
[23:07] >> Loki does the exposition. He has to talk
[23:09] about Kang. If we talk about King in
[23:11] this movie, I will say this why he's not
[23:13] in this movie.
[23:14] >> There's a really good reason for him to
[23:16] do the exposition to whoever he talks
[23:18] to. If he talks to a hero, if it's Thor,
[23:21] he's going to grab his hammer and maybe
[23:23] not realize, you know, or Captain
[23:24] America would definitely think because
[23:25] he doesn't know that Loki was reformed.
[23:27] So, I think he would react offensively
[23:28] and then Loki has to explain that as
[23:31] Whitney just said, so well, he's a big
[23:33] tree now.
[23:34] >> But then what about K?
[23:36] >> Is he just getting ignored because of
[23:37] the Loki finale? Is he just not
[23:40] >> mention?
[23:41] >> I might. Yeah, I don't think you need to
[23:43] mention Kang. I I think that Kang is I
[23:47] mean, he's really irrelevant to our
[23:49] current state is that Loki understands
[23:52] the multiverse is collapsing. He's
[23:54] trying to fix it. There are many people
[23:56] who have tried to, you know, conquer the
[23:58] multiverse in the past, blah, blah,
[24:00] blah. Our our latest threat is this Dr.
[24:02] Doom guy. Like that. That's all he needs
[24:04] to say. That the multiverse is vast.
[24:05] It's dying. I'm trying to save it. That
[24:08] I don't think you need to mention Kane.
[24:09] really
[24:10] >> if you think about it from the
[24:11] perspective of a fan who has only seen
[24:12] the movies and the shows and does not
[24:14] know anything about the outside world
[24:16] and what went on with Jonathan Majors
[24:18] and any of that doesn't know that he's
[24:19] not able to return and all of that they
[24:22] would think okay yeah well that big
[24:23] thing with the Council of Kings that's
[24:25] like when we saw Thanos at the end of
[24:27] the first Avengers movie but he didn't
[24:28] show up until Infinity War so maybe in
[24:32] their minds or at least from like a
[24:33] naive audience's perspective oh Kang is
[24:36] still coming but he's further down the
[24:37] line and he's worse than Duke And then I
[24:40] don't know, at some point they either
[24:41] recast Kang or do away with that. But I
[24:44] don't think they need to address it.
[24:45] >> Well, he has to go on a podcast and
[24:47] explain uh [laughter] that uh Kang Kang
[24:51] works with Ben Shapiro now and
[24:54] [laughter] we don't talk to him anymore.
[24:56] I just really I don't think anyone
[24:59] I don't think anyone's going to go into
[25:00] Doomsday and ask where's Kane because I
[25:02] mean we're certainly not going to ask
[25:04] because we know either
[25:05] >> and I don't think any general audience
[25:07] member is going to care to ask.
[25:09] >> I don't think the general audience is
[25:11] going to care either but at the same
[25:13] time it just
[25:15] >> this isn't necessarily like a thing
[25:16] where I think that people are going to
[25:18] go into this movie and BE LIKE WHAT WHAT
[25:20] HAPPENED TO KANG? WHERE DID THAT GUY GO?
[25:22] I think that it's more of the fact that
[25:25] it's like this is like another
[25:28] thing in a long line of things that they
[25:32] will seemingly never wrap up. And I
[25:34] think that that's kind of more so the
[25:36] issue than any one of those specific
[25:39] things not coming back. Like I do I need
[25:43] to see Harry Styles in the MCU? No. It
[25:46] will change my life 0%. Yeah, it it'll
[25:49] change my life 0%. But they put those
[25:52] things in front of me and then they're
[25:53] just either never going to tell me or
[25:55] they're going to tell me so far into the
[25:57] future that it kind of won't matter at
[25:59] that point.
[26:00] >> 16 years in the future and explained by
[26:01] a newscast. Yeah.
[26:02] >> No. Exactly. Exactly. And so I just I I
[26:05] think that that's more so the
[26:07] frustrating thing for me. It's I think
[26:08] it's going to be less that people are
[26:10] like, "Oh man, what happened to that
[26:12] Kang fellow?" I think it's more going to
[26:14] be why the [ __ ] do they keep giving us
[26:16] these huge plot points and these like
[26:19] crazy like postredit scenes cliffhers
[26:22] that imply so much and then never do
[26:25] anything with it.
[26:27] >> I think we're kind of not addressing the
[26:28] elephant in the room here and that is
[26:29] that when the MCU was in its heyday in
[26:31] the Infinity Saga, right? Like when
[26:33] Captain America: Civil War was so good
[26:36] and everybody went to go watch it, and I
[26:38] say everybody like Marvel fans multiple
[26:41] times, but civilians, people off the
[26:42] street, then they saw that movie and
[26:44] they went, "Oh, Spider-Man. Oh, Black
[26:46] Panther. What's up with them?" They saw
[26:48] Infinity War. They saw the end credits
[26:50] and they said, "Oh, who's that about?
[26:51] Who's Captain Marvel?" Something has to
[26:54] be good in order to feed people the next
[26:56] thing. And Marvel kind of hit this mid I
[26:58] don't want to call it superhero fatigue.
[26:59] I think it was mid fatigue. So the Russo
[27:02] brothers now have to kind of go through
[27:04] and go, well, what's worth mentioning?
[27:06] What what did people care about? What
[27:08] resonated with people? And like you
[27:10] said, Colton, Quantum Mania had like an
[27:12] 80% drop off in its second weekend. I
[27:14] think it was pretty bad. Like whatever
[27:15] it was,
[27:16] >> 69
[27:20] brothers, what they dedicate time to
[27:21] explaining, right? I think again this
[27:24] supports my theory that they're going to
[27:25] spend time, a little bit of exposition
[27:27] time explaining the things that are
[27:28] important that people might not know,
[27:30] but the things that are important that
[27:31] they feel like people definitely already
[27:32] know, they're not going to spend time
[27:34] on. They did not spend time in Infinity
[27:36] War explaining who Thanos was. They did
[27:39] spend time in Endgame explaining what
[27:41] the Aether is because probably not a lot
[27:44] of people saw Thor in the dark world,
[27:46] right? So, they're like,
[27:47] >> "Whatever we know is popular, we're not
[27:49] going to waste time explaining. If
[27:51] there's something that's not as popular,
[27:53] didn't get the credit it deserved, or
[27:55] didn't get the viewership it deserved,
[27:56] but we feel like it's important enough
[27:58] to be a part of this movie, we will
[28:00] dedicate two minutes of exposition to
[28:02] that topic.
[28:03] >> Did we tell me? Oh, go ahead, Colin.
[28:04] Sorry.
[28:05] >> Did we meet Maria Hill before the first
[28:07] Avengers movie?
[28:09] >> Yes. No.
[28:10] >> No.
[28:11] >> No.
[28:11] >> No.
[28:12] >> No. She's not an Iron Man, too. She
[28:13] >> They didn't do any
[28:15] >> background, who her parents are, where
[28:17] she came from, the trauma she went
[28:19] through as a child. We didn't need any
[28:20] of that. We just got it. Like she was
[28:22] there.
[28:23] >> She's a woman. She's a soldier. She's
[28:24] She's in a uniform.
[28:25] >> It's mandatory in the MCU to tell people
[28:27] if you're an orphan, Colton. You have to
[28:29] [ __ ] tell.
[28:30] >> Yeah. Especially if you have dad issues.
[28:33] >> Yeah.
[28:33] >> Well, let me ask. What What is one thing
[28:36] you go ahead?
[28:37] >> No, I was just say my point is is that
[28:39] with what's his name? The [ __ ]
[28:42] Captain America guy. Uh [snorts]
[28:45] >> John Walker, Wyatt Russell Walker,
[28:47] >> Johnny Mayonnaise.
[28:48] >> All of these characters. You don't have
[28:50] to.
[28:50] >> I don't know who Sam Wilson you were
[28:52] trying to think of. If it was like, what
[28:53] was that guy's name? The one I really
[28:54] didn't like. Sam Wilson. That was
[28:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. Tommy, not my Captain. Yeah.
[28:58] Anyway [laughter]
[28:59] >> Tommy says it all the time.
[29:01] >> Yeah, I know he does.
[29:01] >> Yeah. When he's not on the podcast.
[29:03] Yeah. Out of nowhere.
[29:05] [laughter]
[29:06] >> I've heard the kitchen sink.
[29:08] >> Yeah. I've just I've heard Tommy just
[29:10] say that at random times.
[29:11] >> I just think a lot of those characters
[29:13] are just kind of You get it. You don't
[29:15] have to have all this background stuff.
[29:17] You just kind of get it. like, oh, okay,
[29:19] >> you're Yeah, you're bringing up Maria
[29:20] Hill, who is like shield soldier number
[29:22] one. I mean, that's like you didn't have
[29:24] to know a lot about her, but like for
[29:26] instance, Shani shows up, right? Shani
[29:29] is somebody who I think has something
[29:32] that will be in this movie. You know,
[29:33] Whitney, you mentioned those postredits
[29:35] teases that won't be mentioned, like
[29:36] Brett Goldstein, Hercules, Star Fox, but
[29:38] if the Eternals would have been a big
[29:40] hit, absolutely they would be in this
[29:41] movie. But I do think that the beacon at
[29:44] the end of Shani is going to be
[29:45] addressed somehow and that'll be what
[29:47] draws him into the movie in some way. So
[29:50] there are going to be ways where I think
[29:51] the Eternals just won't get mentioned.
[29:54] And if they ever do, it'll be in some
[29:55] sequel involving Star-Lord, I hope, or
[29:57] something like that. But in this movie,
[29:58] maybe they'll be in Secret Wars. We did
[30:00] a video about that a while back. But
[30:02] what do you guys think is going to be
[30:03] the thing that we'll stay in that that
[30:06] they can use from the multiverse saga to
[30:07] address? And then we name one thing that
[30:10] they kind of just are going to show up.
[30:11] pull out.
[30:12] >> Yeah.
[30:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. What are we going to pull
[30:14] on? How long is it going to take?
[30:16] [laughter]
[30:16] >> The black hole. Pull out. Takes a long
[30:19] time.
[30:21] >> One more. We get demonetized.
[30:24] [laughter]
[30:24] >> Seriously. And
[30:26] >> And if you're listening to us on any
[30:27] podcast platform, you have no idea
[30:29] what's we're doing right now. Like the
[30:31] visuals are so gross.
[30:32] >> Um
[30:34] shirt.
[30:35] >> He does have a nice nautical shirt on.
[30:37] Uh do you guys have one thing of each?
[30:41] One thing to keep and one thing to get
[30:42] rid of.
[30:43] >> One thing to keep, one thing you think
[30:44] they get rid of it
[30:46] >> in Doomsday or like a after the reboot.
[30:50] >> Let's do Doomsday for now. Like because
[30:51] we're talking about like what they're
[30:52] going to do in the movie, what they're
[30:53] going to ignore in the multiverse saga
[30:55] and then a little bit let's talk about
[30:56] the actual reset and what we expect from
[30:58] there.
[30:59] >> Like I think Sean's beacon is a little
[31:02] ambiguous there. I think here we're
[31:03] talking about get rid of in terms of
[31:04] what do they not even bother mentioning.
[31:06] >> Exactly. We'll see of course. Um,
[31:10] [clears throat]
[31:10] >> so no Gaia. I think that's good. Yeah,
[31:13] >> that's one.
[31:13] >> I think you're right.
[31:14] >> Because it wasn't popular and it was a
[31:16] Disney Plus show and ultimately you
[31:18] don't need her in the movie. Like scroll
[31:20] scrolls were inconsequential in the
[31:21] Marvels, let alone in Avengers Doomsday.
[31:24] That's a great one.
[31:24] >> Yeah, and I agree with Mike. I think I
[31:26] think no young Avengers I don't think
[31:28] we're going to get any of them
[31:29] >> really for possibly Wiccan and Speed. I
[31:32] don't know. Maybe only because of Wanda,
[31:35] but I don't think Um,
[31:37] >> we're not getting M Marvel.
[31:38] >> A guy. We don't get Ms. Marvel.
[31:40] >> I think the Young Avengers Secret Wars.
[31:42] >> Yeah. And I think that's going to be
[31:43] Secret Wars like in the end.
[31:45] >> Yeah. And Secret Wars, but yeah, I don't
[31:46] think that they're going to put those
[31:47] guys in this one.
[31:49] >> I Do you think it's a postredit scene?
[31:52] >> Maybe.
[31:53] >> Possibly.
[31:55] >> Calls Kate Bishop and is like, "Hey, we
[31:57] need we need 2% more help from you and a
[32:01] bunch of teenagers. Go get Patriot. Go
[32:03] get
[32:04] >> I don't know whoever else. Who who have
[32:05] they established? Go get Scar. We need
[32:07] Scar.
[32:07] >> Do you guys think that we could have a
[32:09] postredit scene?
[32:11] >> Do you think a postredit scene would
[32:12] work? So, Colton, you did a great video
[32:14] a few weeks back where you talked about
[32:15] the young Avengers and how they could be
[32:16] the ones on the ark that like where
[32:18] their memories are preserved. So, when
[32:20] the new universe starts, everybody
[32:21] worships Doom except for them. I wonder
[32:22] if a postredit scene where they're just
[32:24] on a ship would work, you know, and they
[32:26] would be like a scene from Secret Wars,
[32:28] but we get to see them. They're
[32:30] together. We go, "Oh, who are they?
[32:31] What? They're the saviors, these kids."
[32:33] You know what I mean? And then maybe in
[32:35] Secret Wars, we see how they got on the
[32:37] ship or what the story was there. That'd
[32:38] be kind of cool.
[32:40] >> Yeah. I I like the idea of like our
[32:42] heroes and I mean this basically what I
[32:44] got into in that video, but we know that
[32:47] the Avengers and the X-Men, the
[32:49] Fantastic 4 that they're not going to be
[32:51] like down on the ground fighting like
[32:54] Doombots in New York City. I think
[32:55] that's where the Young Avengers could
[32:57] come in and that that's where they could
[32:59] like as the universe is collapsing. I
[33:03] don't know who who all would be a part
[33:04] of it. I I forget who I even had.
[33:06] >> Street level street level people would
[33:08] also be a part of that fight. Right. So
[33:09] we got Young Avengers and then we also
[33:11] got Daredevil Punisher
[33:13] >> Luke Cage. Wow.
[33:14] >> I mean the the Daredevil born again
[33:16] season 3 of it all is very confusing
[33:18] because that movie is going to come out
[33:19] or that show Spider-Man after Doomsday
[33:22] but before Secret Wars and Yeah.
[33:23] Exactly.
[33:24] >> We have to remember that Cassie Lang is
[33:27] very knowledgeable of the quantum realm.
[33:30] >> And Kank
[33:31] >> that is true.
[33:32] >> Yeah. and she is now connected, I think,
[33:34] with because we know that
[33:37] >> Camala is going to get her and she got
[33:40] Kate Bishop first. So, I could see those
[33:43] three maybe being the the core like
[33:45] young Avengers that we see going to the
[33:48] quantum realm via like a a raft or
[33:50] something. Yeah, that'd be neat.
[33:51] >> I would be shocked if Vision Quest
[33:54] doesn't end with Wiccan showing up to
[33:56] find his brother and saying, "Let's go
[33:58] get our mom."
[33:59] >> I think that's the big thing they're
[34:00] setting up for Secret Wars. And then
[34:02] those guys run into the three of them.
[34:04] So yeah, those are all things I think
[34:05] they'll keep, but not necessarily in
[34:07] Doomsday.
[34:07] >> And where is their mom?
[34:10] >> In the void.
[34:11] >> Yeah, which is division.
[34:13] >> Battle.
[34:14] >> Yeah.
[34:15] >> And then Wision book ends the whole
[34:16] saga. I would love that. No, I think
[34:18] you're 100% right.
[34:20] >> Is there anything else you guys think
[34:21] they're for sure going to keep or is
[34:23] necessary for Doomsday?
[34:25] >> She-Hulk twerking. They're keeping it.
[34:26] They're keeping it. I'm calling it.
[34:28] She-Hulk twerking all day, all night.
[34:30] Doomsday that butt. Let's go.
[34:33] >> Hey, I've said it a hundred times. Megan
[34:35] the Stallion is one of the coolest
[34:36] artists I've ever worked with. Like
[34:37] before she was actually famous, she came
[34:39] in the room and she could just tell she
[34:40] was gonna
[34:44] heard
[34:44] >> this.
[34:46] No, no. I filmed I filmed it for XL.
[34:49] >> I filmed her for XL for freshman years
[34:51] ago.
[34:51] >> Oh, okay.
[34:52] >> I have no idea.
[34:53] >> No, no. It's I've talked about it
[34:54] before. I'm not trying to like brag. I
[34:56] don't really care. Yeah. No, she's I
[34:58] mean I just didn't know.
[34:59] >> No, but that's awesome.
[35:00] >> Well, anyway, I was pissing next to
[35:01] George Clooney and I was talking to him
[35:03] about, you know, my taxes. Yeah,
[35:05] >> I pissed next to Tony Iomi once, which
[35:07] was really weird. That was a strange
[35:09] like Yeah, the hand holding That's the
[35:11] hand that made Heavy Metal that created
[35:13] Heavy Metal and I'm right next to it.
[35:15] >> Anyways, let's talk about what happens
[35:17] after this reboot and then maybe we'll
[35:19] talk about the Spider-Man trailer that
[35:20] leaked and I definitely didn't watch the
[35:22] leak. So,
[35:24] >> whale fall.
[35:25] >> Exactly. And then we have to get to the
[35:26] people that they want.
[35:28] >> What do you guys feel like you're
[35:30] looking forward to the most about the
[35:32] soft reset?
[35:35] >> Oh, and Monica Monica is going to be
[35:37] picked up on because we know she's in
[35:38] the X-Men universe. Sorry, I meant to
[35:40] say that.
[35:40] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no, Monica will be
[35:41] in the movie. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
[35:43] I 100% think because she's the one who
[35:44] can explain things to people. Wait, it's
[35:47] like when Leia when the Ewoks are about
[35:49] to eat Luke and Han and then Leia shows
[35:51] up and explains what's going on to them.
[35:52] I think that's I think is Leia.
[35:55] >> They're from the Marvel movies before
[35:57] Iron Man. They're cool.
[35:59] [laughter]
[36:00] >> Yeah, exactly.
[36:00] >> I don't think you need a lot of
[36:01] exposition for uh Photon because she's
[36:05] uh was in Wavision. It's another thing
[36:07] that a lot a long time ago. They might
[36:09] not see the Marvels. So, they got to be
[36:11] like
[36:12] >> Monica Rambo could be in this movie, but
[36:14] likely Carol Danvers won't. I mean, this
[36:17] is somebody who headed a billion-dollar
[36:18] film, and I don't even know if uh Brie
[36:22] Larson
[36:23] >> wants to come back at all.
[36:25] >> Will I think it's a surprise or
[36:27] something, or maybe they're not putting
[36:29] her on the advertising because they
[36:30] think it'll be have a negative reaction
[36:32] if they advertise that she's in the
[36:34] movie, which is
[36:35] >> screwed up, but
[36:37] >> yeah.
[36:37] >> What was your question about the what
[36:39] we're looking forward to in the reset?
[36:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys want to
[36:42] pivot over to that if we're done talking
[36:44] about Doomsday,
[36:46] X-Men. I just I can't wait to see like
[36:50] in the actual MCU like in a live action
[36:52] film with other superheroes. I've only
[36:54] ever seen the X-Men in things with other
[36:56] X-Men.
[36:57] >> Yeah, that's true.
[36:58] >> Other than the cartoons, which I grew up
[37:00] on and absolutely loved, but those
[37:02] crossover episodes where like Captain
[37:03] America would show up and like go on a
[37:06] mission with Wolverine were the best.
[37:08] >> Yeah, for sure.
[37:09] >> Fantastic.
[37:11] >> Yeah, same.
[37:13] looking forward to seeing them get to
[37:14] >> the best.
[37:16] >> I just want to see them get to a point
[37:17] where they're a little bit more back to
[37:19] the comics and less away and less away
[37:21] from the movies, right? Because Robert
[37:23] No, but seriously, like Robert Downey
[37:24] Jr. became Tony Stark. He embodied the
[37:27] character in a way that like and and
[37:29] that gave Tony Stark an outsized
[37:30] importance that he's important character
[37:33] in the comics, especially during the
[37:35] events of Civil War and the fallout
[37:36] afterwards, but nobody would ever be
[37:38] like, "Oh, yeah, Iron Man's the flagship
[37:40] hero of Marvel comics." I would really
[37:42] like to see a Marvel universe where all
[37:43] these characters are back, Steve Rogers,
[37:45] Iron Man, whoever, and just recast and
[37:47] just kind of go back to adapting those
[37:49] stories because I think the movies in
[37:51] more ways than one. The movies even
[37:53] started to affect the comic publishing
[37:54] for a while where Marvel started to hand
[37:56] down edicts that you couldn't create
[37:57] more X-Men characters when the rights
[37:58] were held by Fox. And I loved these
[38:00] movies the most when it was taking those
[38:03] comics and giving them like cool spins
[38:05] in the real world and adapting them
[38:07] straight. And as soon as they moved too
[38:08] far away from it, I think it lost the
[38:10] magic. No, I 100% agree. I think that a
[38:13] lot of like my disappointment with the
[38:15] most like some of not all obviously I
[38:18] still like a lot of these movies and
[38:19] shows of course but like some of my
[38:20] disappointment comes from the fact of
[38:24] that like that we don't um [ __ ] sorry I
[38:28] lost my train of thought. What was I
[38:29] just going to say?
[38:30] >> That's okay. Well, I was talking about
[38:31] comics and adapt like when I watched the
[38:33] battle of New York it felt like I was
[38:35] watching a splash panel.
[38:36] >> Yes, that's exactly what I was gonna
[38:37] Yes. So, it it really bothered me that
[38:40] back in the day you could do really
[38:42] cool, solid theorizing about what might
[38:46] happen based on the comic books that
[38:48] you'd read and you knew that they were
[38:50] going to change it. Like you knew that
[38:51] like things were going to be different.
[38:53] So, you didn't fully know like what was
[38:55] going to happen in the story. But I love
[38:58] that the comics used to be like a little
[39:01] road map for these movies and that it
[39:04] was for people who if you knew, you
[39:07] knew, but you didn't have to like read
[39:09] them to go in and enjoy it. And I do
[39:11] really miss that. I really really miss
[39:14] having things that feel more comic booky
[39:17] and less comic book movie. Uh so I I I
[39:21] also hope that they return to that.
[39:24] >> Also, a unified plan will be really good
[39:26] to have. You know how like in the MCU
[39:28] they used to do so many projects that
[39:29] with they used to have so much time
[39:31] between projects that they could do
[39:33] things like um
[39:36] like when Hydra's forces fire their guns
[39:38] they're from the test rack they sound
[39:40] like Tony Stark's arc like his um his
[39:43] arc reactor because it turn you know you
[39:45] can theorize then like you're saying
[39:46] Whitney the arc reactor then must have
[39:48] been derived from the technology from
[39:50] the tesseract that Howard so there were
[39:52] all these little things they could do
[39:54] but right now when they're making so
[39:56] stuff and I love a lot of the stuff
[39:58] they've made, you know, but when they're
[39:59] making so much,
[40:00] >> creators get siloed from each other and
[40:02] it's harder for people to kind of pick
[40:04] up and coordinate and add to, you know,
[40:06] my favorite example ever is the idea of
[40:09] Doctor Strange seeing all those
[40:10] realities. They got that from Doctor
[40:12] Strange and the ancient one saying she
[40:13] saw possible futures. So, I want these
[40:15] people to be able to build on each
[40:16] other. Sorry, Colton.
[40:17] >> They need someone
[40:19] I'm available. uh who can
[40:22] >> who can come in and kind of just be
[40:25] someone who pops into every room and
[40:29] like can go into an editing room when
[40:32] they're editing a battle sequence or
[40:34] doing the sound design and say, "Hey,
[40:35] you know what would be cool is if you
[40:38] use this same sound effect from these
[40:40] blasters in this movie that when they
[40:41] were on that same plant." Like just
[40:43] little interconnectivity stuff like
[40:44] that. It used to be Kevin Feige before
[40:46] he became like the head of a studio
[40:48] watered down.
[40:49] >> Maybe like a fan or something like
[40:52] that'd be a cool role like
[40:53] >> Well, it used to be the creative
[40:55] committee and thank god it's not.
[40:56] >> Can you imagine the job applications for
[40:58] fan leaison? Those would [laughter] be
[40:59] the most toxic [ __ ] job applications
[41:02] at the
[41:03] >> Oh man, that I would that could just be
[41:06] a YouTube channel just reading them out
[41:08] loud.
[41:09] You know what though? What you're
[41:10] talking about is even less likely to
[41:12] happen because they fired thousands of
[41:14] people from their visv department and
[41:16] that department is the reason why all
[41:19] the MCU movies kind of felt like they
[41:21] took place in the same universe which
[41:23] wasn't always a good thing because the
[41:24] look got stale. But sorry right on what
[41:26] you're saying.
[41:27] >> Oh no. All I was going to say is um they
[41:29] should let me audition for Wolverine
[41:31] because uh I'd be great.
[41:32] >> I keep saying bring a lot of I'm not
[41:34] even kidding. I'm a good actor. I'm like
[41:36] a short angry Sicilian guy. going to ask
[41:38] how tall are you because
[41:40] >> so much authenticity to the role like
[41:42] >> hell yeah hell yeah
[41:43] >> I could do the nose snarl
[41:45] >> this is me standing
[41:45] >> a shot
[41:46] >> or at least [laughter]
[41:48] >> read read my war machine spec script
[41:50] just do that
[41:51] >> okay
[41:53] >> someone someone's got to write a war
[41:54] machine spec script all right Colton go
[41:55] for it
[41:55] >> another title
[41:57] >> read it
[41:57] >> another good title for this this role
[41:59] that I'm totally not pitching for myself
[42:01] I love my job uh but I I could do it
[42:03] like at night or something I don't know
[42:05] um yeah
[42:06] >> is if you got offered a job at Marvel
[42:08] and you passed it up to keep working
[42:10] here. I'd be like Ben Affleck in
[42:13] Goodwill Hunting. I'd [ __ ] kill you.
[42:14] Like [laughter]
[42:15] >> if I come to door in 20 years and you're
[42:17] still there, I'm going to [ __ ] kill
[42:18] you. Sorry guys.
[42:19] >> [ __ ] kill you. They need the um
[42:20] actually. They need somebody on set who
[42:23] kind of like a script supervisor who
[42:25] like maintains continuity and stuff.
[42:27] They need somebody there that can kind
[42:28] of do the well actually and like
[42:31] somebody to speak up for Elizabeth Olsen
[42:33] when she's trying to tell them you're
[42:36] kind of retreading what we already went
[42:38] over division but it needs to be
[42:40] somebody with power. It needs to be
[42:42] >> somebody to be like
[42:44] >> Nate Moore Brad Winterbomb somebody like
[42:46] Liberty should actually be copper at
[42:48] this point because not enough time has
[42:49] passed for the oxidization to occur.
[42:52] >> It needs to be someone who
[42:56] >> Yeah.
[42:56] >> Yes. But they but it has to be someone
[42:58] that has a title like in all seriousness
[43:00] like an executive producer title where
[43:02] they have the authority to walk up to
[43:04] the director and say
[43:06] >> hey you need to do this. It can't just
[43:07] be some you know like slightly above
[43:10] intern guy who's like well actually you
[43:12] know in the in this issue or whatever.
[43:14] No it has to be like somebody with some
[43:15] authority to go in there and can
[43:17] actually demand hey this is wrong. We
[43:20] need to adjust this. Did you ever hear
[43:22] Sam Witworth's story about Padme?
[43:25] Uh, and when his first gig on the Clone
[43:27] Wars.
[43:29] >> Yes. It was uh she was meeting Anakin's
[43:32] mom, right? And he was like, "Actually,
[43:33] they've already met at this point."
[43:35] >> Yeah. So, what it is is his first day
[43:37] recording. They didn't know who he was.
[43:38] He wasn't Darth Maul yet. He was like
[43:39] soldier number two. He was doing a um a
[43:41] thing for the Mortise Gods. And there's
[43:43] a part in that episode where u you know
[43:45] Dave Fona is there. They're all there
[43:46] and he's sitting next to Ashley X
[43:48] Kasoka's in the episode. And then uh
[43:50] there's a line in it where Ahsoka tells
[43:52] a ghost of his mom like, "Oh, I'm in
[43:54] love. I'm married. I can't wait for you
[43:56] to meet her." And Sam Wilbur interrupts
[43:58] and goes, "Um, actually," and everyone
[44:01] looks like, "Who the hell is this guy?"
[44:02] And he goes, "Yeah, Padme and Shmei have
[44:04] already met." And they're like,
[44:07] >> and then Ashley Xeen told him, "I've
[44:09] never seen anybody outnner Dave Filon."
[44:11] So that's
[44:12] >> Let's see that in the episode, though.
[44:14] Let's see. Ghost Shmei be like, "Wait,
[44:16] her? She came to the [laughter] house
[44:18] when you were
[44:19] >> She came to the house once." Yeah. Are
[44:21] you
[44:21] >> You're marrying her?
[44:23] >> You're marrying that lady. She was You
[44:24] were 8 years old and she was a senator.
[44:27] That lady,
[44:27] >> you weren't like chatty predator.
[44:31] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[44:32] >> Oh no.
[44:34] >> Oh, that went a different way from how I
[44:36] thought we did have some super you've
[44:38] been groomed.
[44:40] >> Jesus Christ.
[44:40] >> Anakin, you get away. This is terrible.
[44:42] Wait, you're living
[44:43] >> and somehow not by the Jedi order.
[44:45] You've been groomed by someone else.
[44:47] [laughter]
[44:47] >> I just want to post credit scene where
[44:49] she's taking a politician.
[44:51] >> Let me get this straight. You stole a
[44:54] slave. [laughter]
[44:57] >> What is Niboo if not an island of
[44:59] >> And he's now an occult.
[45:01] >> Resign he will.
[45:02] >> And you're married to [laughter]
[45:04] >> You just do the Chappelle show bit.
[45:06] Yeah.
[45:07] >> Yeah.
[45:08] >> Disgrace Jod is design. Resign he must
[45:11] >> resign. Let's get
[45:13] >> I want to get to these super chats
[45:15] before we talk about Gan Gray. Arman,
[45:17] friend of the channel, he's here every
[45:18] day. Gave us two pounds. Said, "Hey
[45:19] guys, it's me again. I'm drunk today.
[45:21] What's happening?" In his defense or
[45:23] their defense, yeah, it is five hours
[45:25] ahead of the East Coast. So, good on you
[45:28] for
[45:28] >> It's noon for me and I still supported
[45:30] you when I thought it was noon wherever
[45:32] you are. So, just FYI.
[45:34] >> Whitney's like, "I bet you're in Hawaii
[45:36] at 6:00 a.m. and have a great time."
[45:38] >> Exactly. Have a great day.
[45:42] Freeman gave us two bucks.
[45:43] >> Whales.
[45:45] >> Jordan,
[45:47] what's it called again? Whale fall.
[45:48] Can't wait to see it.
[45:49] >> Whale fall. The whale is gonna fall.
[45:51] Okay.
[45:51] >> From where? Where is the whale? Where
[45:53] does it fall to?
[45:54] >> You have to see the film and find out.
[45:56] Jordan Freeman gave us two bucks and
[45:58] said, "What happens to the Crossover
[45:59] Universe podcast?" We're still hoping to
[46:01] do it. We just had to put it on pause
[46:02] for a little bit, but got to get Heather
[46:04] on the show ASAP. Monty Gave us two
[46:06] bucks and said, "Chat solve this. Have
[46:08] Luis from Ant-Man do the recap." I've
[46:09] heard that before. That'd be fun.
[46:12] >> That would be so fun.
[46:15] >> West in the meantime, check out
[46:17] Guardians of the Galaxy with [screaming]
[46:20] >> That's a damn good podcast, honey.
[46:23] >> Tommy B, MT, Whitney, you can't you
[46:26] can't come on the show unless you rhyme.
[46:28] I'm sorry. Just
[46:29] >> you can't beat me. There [laughter] you
[46:31] go.
[46:32] >> Ricky works. So,
[46:35] >> I'm there. You call me Mikey. Mikey. I
[46:37] can
[46:38] >> Mikey works.
[46:39] >> There we go.
[46:41] I'm done.
[46:41] >> Yeah, Colton, you're [ __ ] You're
[46:43] [ __ ] You're never
[46:44] >> No, gave us $5 and said, "Going into
[46:48] phase zero, since the first Avengers
[46:49] Assemble, what does it feel like? Why
[46:52] does it feel like Marvel's Nick Fury has
[46:53] more up his sleeve for this saga like
[46:55] the Young Avengers? I don't know if Nick
[46:56] Fury is gonna I don't know. I'd love to
[46:59] see Nick Fury come in. I've always
[47:01] thought like I thought originally
[47:03] Endgame would have like Nick Fury
[47:04] walking through the portal and being
[47:06] like, I told you, Mr. Stark,
[47:07] >> you're part of a bigger universe. And
[47:09] then they did it a different way, but
[47:10] they might call back to that.
[47:12] >> I I kind of wish they'd had Nick Fury in
[47:14] the portal scene, the big battle at the
[47:17] end of Endgame, like coming out of there
[47:19] with a like two giant guns and just like
[47:23] >> Yeah.
[47:23] >> I mean, they had Sherry there with
[47:25] little blasters, so I can't make Fury
[47:27] >> Howard the duck was there.
[47:28] >> Yeah.
[47:30] >> Fury.
[47:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. And armor that Tony made.
[47:33] >> And I mean, she is a she's a hero in her
[47:35] own respect. And then like while Tony's
[47:37] dying, Nick Fury's in the background
[47:39] scraping up DNA for Secret Invasion.
[47:41] Like Yeah.
[47:42] >> Yeah. Exactly.
[47:43] >> Makes that whole thing way grosser. That
[47:45] Secret Invasion plot line that they
[47:47] added to that.
[47:48] >> So weird. Oh my god. That's who Dr. Doom
[47:52] is.
[47:52] >> Everybody loves Samuel L. But if they
[47:55] reset, you think they want maybe like a
[47:57] a younger, scrappier Nick Fury that is
[48:00] like going on missions with them to like
[48:04] >> who doesn't have it in their contract
[48:05] that he doesn't have to run like Samuel
[48:07] Jackson does.
[48:08] >> Yeah. Can't believe
[48:09] >> God that would be in my Tom Cruz. He has
[48:11] to run.
[48:12] >> I kind of feel like
[48:14] >> he does have to do this guy. I want
[48:18] >> He does. Yeah. And also get his ankle
[48:19] broken. I I want everybody recast.
[48:21] That's my answer to that. I want
[48:22] everybody recast.
[48:24] >> Everybody.
[48:25] >> Everybody.
[48:26] >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Eventually
[48:27] recast. Right. When they're when an
[48:29] actor's ready to step away from the
[48:30] role, someone else can play. Actors are
[48:33] very good at what they do.
[48:34] >> Hear that?
[48:36] >> Do you want them to do that? Do you want
[48:38] them to kind of do it like like with
[48:41] James Bond like where they just keep the
[48:44] continuity going and they recast except
[48:47] within the MCU it might be well here or
[48:50] there new actor coming in because you
[48:52] wouldn't do it all at once. There'd be
[48:54] some
[48:56] >> hire everyone in the MCU at once and
[49:00] gas.
[49:00] >> No, I think that I think too many people
[49:03] would be very upset if like do that. But
[49:05] even with James Bond, it's not even like
[49:07] it's one continuity because like Pierce
[49:09] Broman's M was Judy Dench, but then at
[49:12] the end of Daniel Craig's, it goes from
[49:14] Judy Dench to being the classic M from
[49:16] the original. So like it always is like
[49:18] >> was the same from Connory through I
[49:21] think Broden's like first movie. Wasn't
[49:23] Q the
[49:23] >> Yeah. And then Yeah. And then it became
[49:25] John Cle, right?
[49:26] >> I want them to recast Steve Rogers.
[49:29] >> I think
[49:30] >> eventually. Well, eventually, of course,
[49:32] but I think that Chris Evans still has a
[49:34] lot of years in him to do some really
[49:36] cool Captain America stuff. Like, I
[49:38] don't want to go right back to,
[49:40] >> you know, origins of Steve Rogers.
[49:43] >> Yeah. I don't need another go do
[49:45] something else. I kind of want to see,
[49:46] you know what I'm disappointed in,
[49:47] though? We're talking about the thing
[49:48] earlier what we'd like to see in the new
[49:49] universe. I just want to see Captain
[49:50] America kill Nazis. I was always so
[49:52] disappointed in First Avenger, that his
[49:54] entire World War II experience was a
[49:56] montage where he didn't kill a single
[49:58] Nazi. That's what I wanted from that
[50:00] film because that's the comics.
[50:02] >> They need to do a movie with Captain
[50:04] America, King Taka, and Wolverine
[50:07] fighting Nazis in World War II. That and
[50:11] >> Jones does a cameo because it's owned by
[50:14] Disney by the And
[50:19] >> Yes.
[50:19] >> And then Indiana Jones turns into the
[50:21] Red Hulk right in the middle of
[50:23] >> because he's a variant, right? Yeah. H.
[50:26] >> No, I mean that Marvel 1942 video game
[50:29] is has been in development for a really
[50:31] long time. Looks really good. Who knows
[50:33] if it'll ever come out, but it's
[50:35] supposed to be Captain America and King
[50:37] Taka or even I think his dad. It's like
[50:40] >> Tchala's grandfather uh in World War II.
[50:44] And I like
[50:45] >> I'm so down for that. I I think we
[50:47] should get some period pieces. I want
[50:49] more period pieces out of the MCU. If
[50:51] there's all this like eons, millennia of
[50:54] cosmic history and how it impacted the
[50:56] earth and everything else, like give us
[50:57] an older story.
[50:59] >> Couldn't agree more.
[51:00] >> You know how much money a Chris Evans,
[51:02] Hugh Jackman, Captain America, and
[51:04] Wolverine movie would make?
[51:05] >> God, that would make so much [ __ ]
[51:06] money it would be disgusting.
[51:08] >> And have the balls to make it rated R.
[51:11] Yeah. World War II rated R bloody war
[51:14] movie. Not for nothing, they they could
[51:18] also do a thing in that if the howling
[51:19] commandos are all still active in it
[51:21] because in when they first introduced
[51:23] the Winter Soldier in the comics, Steve
[51:26] does a little bit of retcon history.
[51:27] He's talking, I think, to Sharon Carter.
[51:28] And he's telling her like, look, one of
[51:30] the reasons Bucky was with us, he wasn't
[51:32] just like a teen sidekick. He was the
[51:34] killer. Like, he was trained to go into
[51:37] places and slip in under darkness and
[51:39] murder people. It's just we didn't see
[51:41] that in the happy golucky Captain
[51:42] America comics, you know, where he was a
[51:44] teen sidekick. So they can actually get
[51:45] into that and maybe lay some groundwork
[51:48] for why he made such a good Winter
[51:50] Soldier because the movie still
[51:51] addresses.
[51:52] >> Yeah. And I still really hope even
[51:54] though I'm like I want them to keep
[51:56] Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. I don't
[51:57] want that to hold them back from like
[51:59] doing a Kieran Kulkin Tony Stark or who
[52:01] like I like your idea of just you don't
[52:04] have to recast everybody but you don't
[52:05] have to keep everybody either. And I was
[52:07] actually just working on a video before
[52:09] we got on here talking about how Star
[52:11] Wars needs to do the same thing. They
[52:13] don't have to reset everything and
[52:14] recast everybody, but it is time to
[52:16] recast Han, Luke, and Leia. And I think
[52:18] you can do the same thing in Marvel.
[52:20] >> Yeah,
[52:20] >> couldn't agree more. Uh, the Guild of
[52:22] Calam the Guild of Calamitus intent,
[52:24] which is one of my all-time favorite
[52:25] YouTubers on here gave us 10 bucks
[52:28] >> and said, "The guild just wanted to say
[52:29] hi TO WHITNEY."
[52:31] >> HI. OH MY GOSH, IT'S SO GOOD TO see you.
[52:33] Hi. Hello. Hello. Thank you for joining
[52:36] in.
[52:37] >> And Phila from Down Under gave us eight
[52:39] Australian dollars and said, "Just
[52:40] supporting the channel. Love the show.
[52:41] Love you back." Whitney, do you cover
[52:42] the Venture Brothers? Have I asked you
[52:44] this before on your
[52:44] >> No, I actually don't. I don't cover the
[52:46] Venture Brothers on Whitney Vision, but
[52:48] I am in the middle of covering Rick and
[52:50] Morty. So, everybody go watch those.
[52:53] >> Links for that will be down below.
[52:54] They're not right now because until the
[52:56] last minute, we hadn't locked in the
[52:57] guests, so like it still has a bunch of
[52:58] different people listed below, but we'll
[53:00] change that.
[53:01] >> And then Mr. Sinister 585 gave us $5 and
[53:04] said, "What should they tweak or add in
[53:07] Endgame? What's crucial for a strong
[53:08] connection to Doomsday?" Now, we've
[53:10] talked about this before. I'm curious,
[53:11] Whitney, Mike, I want to hear from you
[53:12] guys. The Russo brothers did say they're
[53:14] kind of going back and doing a little
[53:15] George Lucasing to Endgame, adding in
[53:18] some things that connect to the saga.
[53:20] Um, the the thing that we like to bring
[53:22] up is like the hammering sound as Dr.
[53:23] Doom making his armor at the end of the
[53:25] credits, but do you guys have any ideas
[53:27] what could they add in to I don't know
[53:29] if it's in the background if Dr. Doom is
[53:30] like on an abacus in the background in
[53:32] Asgard in those time travel scenes or
[53:35] like
[53:35] >> Dr. Doom cantina scene has to be.
[53:39] >> No other answer.
[53:41] Wait, Dr. Doom cantina scene.
[53:43] >> Yeah, he's got to be the the CGI the CGI
[53:46] guy doing the karaoke in the cantina
[53:49] scene. That's what I want to see. If
[53:50] they're if they're doing a George Lucas
[53:52] reccon, give me the whole thing. Give me
[53:55] the Give me the whole Fresh Lucas, baby.
[53:57] I want that.
[53:58] >> I think the only thing I would like them
[54:00] doing in that way, like going back and
[54:02] adding something digitally, is like the
[54:04] watcher in the background of scenes or
[54:05] something.
[54:06] >> That would be cool as [ __ ]
[54:08] being added in would be cool.
[54:10] >> It doesn't interfere in any way. It's
[54:12] not as if the characters could have
[54:13] canonically like seen him or spotted him
[54:15] or anything like that. It would I think
[54:17] that would be neat like window dressing.
[54:19] you know, a good place to put him. Um,
[54:22] >> it might be too distracting from a
[54:24] really cool moment, but when Steve faces
[54:25] Thanos's army and he's by himself,
[54:28] >> if you could put in a vague hint, you
[54:29] don't want to detract from it because
[54:31] the only other moment I can think of is
[54:33] like when Doctor Strange holds up his
[54:34] hand,
[54:35] >> but even then, it's not a big sky shot
[54:37] >> or when Tony dies because there's that
[54:39] big sky behind Pepper kind of. You can
[54:42] that'd be cool.
[54:43] >> But then again, hold on. You know what
[54:45] the most crucial moment in that movie is
[54:47] though as far as the multiverse? It's
[54:50] probably when Loki steals the tesser
[54:53] act, right? Because that's the part that
[54:54] he who remains wrote that caused the
[54:56] whole multiverse [ __ ] to happen to
[54:58] begin.
[54:58] >> That was the only thing that happened
[55:00] that wasn't supposed to happen. Well,
[55:01] apart from
[55:04] >> Yeah, watch. I think what they're I
[55:06] think what they're including in Doomsday
[55:07] is going to be something to do with what
[55:10] happens with Steve between the time
[55:12] platform and getting on the
[55:13] >> I think so.
[55:14] >> Well, because that's got to be the most
[55:15] important thing there. We know Chris
[55:17] Evans is coming back. It's going to be
[55:20] the version of him in the past that's
[55:22] coming in through Doomsday. So, I think
[55:25] they're going to show they're they're
[55:27] probably gonna add in a scene after he
[55:29] gets on the time platform or like maybe
[55:32] even because the movie ends the final
[55:34] shot of Endgame is him dancing with
[55:35] Peggy. So, you could just have the movie
[55:37] keep going after that and do like a like
[55:40] show their life together and all that
[55:42] >> like Back to the Future 2.
[55:44] >> Yeah. I [laughter]
[55:46] >> right after the first movie.
[55:47] >> I see a lot of people who just like to
[55:49] get pissy about things say, "Oh, this
[55:51] movie's
[55:52] pun intended doomed." because they're
[55:54] having to re-release the other movie and
[55:57] put in stuff to make this one makes No,
[55:59] they don't have to. They're doing it for
[56:03] it's they're doing it one to make more
[56:05] money off the movie. Maybe get it over
[56:08] that three billion line. There's nothing
[56:10] that they're putting into this in-game
[56:12] re-release, the Doom edition, Doomsday
[56:14] Edition, that's going to be like
[56:16] required viewing.
[56:17] >> Yeah.
[56:18] >> It's just to make money. Yeah,
[56:20] >> they got to dry all this Infinity Vision
[56:22] equipment that they've been sending out.
[56:24] They got to make sure that all the
[56:25] Infinity Vision stuff works,
[56:27] >> which is definitely a real thing.
[56:29] >> Free marketing for Doomsday. It's just
[56:31] part of their marketing for Doomsday. I
[56:32] think I don't think it's, oh, we got to
[56:35] holy [ __ ] we got to get re-release
[56:36] Endgame with this new scene or
[56:38] everybody's going to be lost.
[56:39] >> It could also just be as easy as showing
[56:41] Loki on the throne during a mid-redit
[56:43] scene. Like, it could because the movie
[56:44] has no mid or postredit. So, it could
[56:46] just be that they're doing that, putting
[56:48] the Watcher in the final battle. And,
[56:50] you know, maybe
[56:52] >> All right, we got a mid-redit scene,
[56:54] Loki on the throne. We got a postredit
[56:55] scene. It's the scene from Iron Man one
[56:58] of Tony Stark in the cave, but
[57:02] >> instead of the guy from the conference
[57:04] in Burn, it is Wong or somebody else
[57:08] that is teaching him the mystical arts
[57:10] and then he
[57:11] >> or Loki at funeral
[57:14] >> or Kristoff. Yeah, Loki at Tony's
[57:16] funeral. That'd be kind of weird. All
[57:18] right, guys. I got one more super chat,
[57:20] then we got to wrap it up. We got uh
[57:22] Alex Con gave us, "If only one R-rated
[57:25] movie is made, which character,
[57:28] >> and I'm going to codify that and say not
[57:30] somebody we've already seen." So, Dead
[57:31] Wolverine's already had his and Deadpool
[57:33] have had theirs. So, somebody new only
[57:35] one person gets it.
[57:37] >> Blade. Fantastic.
[57:40] >> I want my World War II
[57:42] Captain America movie. your ultra bloody
[57:45] Yeah. murder Nazis.
[57:46] >> And I want Captain America to say the f
[57:49] word.
[57:51] >> If it's The Punisher, uh, if he's in a
[57:54] movie, I he has to be rated R. Yeah,
[57:57] there's no way I think One Last Kill
[57:59] proves that. Um,
[58:01] >> that's what I'm like saying about like
[58:03] going to see the new Spider-Man movie is
[58:05] I'm like, I watched One Last Kill and
[58:07] I'm like, how is that guy not going to
[58:09] just be like, "Fuck this, [ __ ] that,
[58:11] [ __ ] that." you know, like the whole
[58:12] Spider-Man, like I just saw him do in
[58:13] this other movie. I'm very excited. I'm
[58:15] so excited for Spider-Man.
[58:17] >> Yeah, me too. And I definitely And
[58:18] speaking of Spider-Man, I don't think
[58:19] we're going to get to that before we
[58:20] have to sign off for today. I will say
[58:22] the trailer leak I've heard includes
[58:24] pink energy being thrown around, which
[58:26] is what Gan uses in the comics and an
[58:28] X-Men animated series. And it definitely
[58:30] seems like they're confirming Sadi Sync.
[58:32] Do you guys think there's any chance she
[58:34] does not play Gan Gray in this movie?
[58:36] >> Nah,
[58:37] >> I hope she doesn't.
[58:39] I don't think she's
[58:41] >> I don't Yeah, I hope she's shot there,
[58:42] too. I don't think she's the bad guy. I
[58:44] think that's all bait and switch. I
[58:46] think I think she's being used.
[58:48] >> Yeah, I think her powers are being used
[58:50] maybe by Miles Warren Jackal. Yeah,
[58:53] >> I agree. I would be shocked if she was
[58:55] actually a villain. I think she's
[58:56] definitely being used, but it then it
[58:58] throws in this whole thing where she's
[58:59] perceived as the villain and then the
[59:02] leads to the public fearing and hating
[59:04] mutants, which again goes back to phase
[59:05] zero and the idea that at the next saga
[59:08] we're going to be talking about the
[59:09] mutants and things like that. So, that
[59:10] brings everything full circle. I'm going
[59:12] to have to let you guys go there.
[59:13] Whitney, find her on Whitney Vision. Um,
[59:16] and then yeah, links are down below.
[59:17] Thank you, Whitney.
[59:18] >> Thank you.
[59:20] >> And then Mike, you can find him on Mike
[59:22] Mdyd on Instagram.
[59:24] comedy shows running.
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[59:35] >> And of course, Mike
[59:36] >> Mike gets a commission on all those.
[59:38] Thanks, Mike. And then Darien Thompson
[59:40] gave us $2 at the last minute. Uh they
[59:42] are only adding Doom watching at the
[59:44] end. Yeah, he might be just watching
[59:45] through a window and setting that up.
[59:46] That would also be cool.
[59:47] >> Yeah, that' be cool.
[59:49] >> Colton, we're gonna let you go. Thanks
[59:50] so much. You can catch Colton on his own
[59:52] channel or here on Screen Crush. all the
[59:53] darn time. Um, links for those are
[59:54] below. Thanks, buddy.
[59:56] >> Bye.
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