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title: 'Marvel is Starting "Phase Zero''--but wtf Does that Mean?'
source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=mmvCO5_W6Oo'
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date: 2026-06-30
duration_sec: 3645
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# Marvel is Starting "Phase Zero'--but wtf Does that Mean?

> Source: [Marvel is Starting "Phase Zero'--but wtf Does that Mean?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=mmvCO5_W6Oo)

## Summary

The video discusses the Russo brothers' recent comments about 'Avengers: Doomsday' being a 'Phase Zero' that doesn't rely on previous MCU films. The panel debates whether this is feasible given the interconnected nature of the franchise, and also covers leaked details from the 'Spider-Man: Brand New Day' trailer. The conversation explores the implications of a soft reboot, what elements from the Multiverse Saga should be kept or discarded, and what fans hope to see in the MCU's future.

### Key Points

- **Russo brothers' Phase Zero concept** [[0:23]] — Russo brothers want Avengers: Doomsday to be 'Phase Zero,' a starting point that doesn't rely on previous MCU films, though this seems challenging.
- **Spider-Man trailer leak** [[0:42]] — A leaked trailer for Spider-Man: Brand New Day has dropped, with rumors of pink energy (possibly Jean Grey) and confirmation of Sadie Sink's casting.
- **Impossibility of standalone Doomsday** [[6:49]] — Panel notes that Civil War relied on prior MCU history, questioning how Doomsday can be standalone with 50+ characters.
- **Corporate content overproduction** [[9:29]] — MCU made too many Disney+ shows, making Avengers films logistically impossible; now they must wrap up and ignore the Multiverse Saga.
- **Keeping good, discarding bad** [[10:13]] — WandaVision and Loki are likely kept as essential; Secret Invasion, Ironheart, and Echo will be ignored due to low viewership.
- **TV shows as required viewing is a failure** [[12:03]] — General audiences are confused by show-to-movie connections (e.g., Multiverse of Madness needing WandaVision); Doomsday must be accessible.
- **Loki's role as exposition device** [[15:18]] — Loki can explain the multiverse collapse in a single conversation, avoiding the need for full show viewing.
- **Phase Zero as Secret Wars adaptation** [[17:48]] — Phase Zero likely refers to the 2015 Secret Wars storyline: multiverse collapse, Battleworld, and a new universe leading to a mutant saga.
- **MCU's unresolved plot threads** [[26:02]] — Marvel introduces huge cliffhangers (e.g., Harry Styles as Starfox, Hercules) but never follows up, frustrating fans.
- **Exposition based on popularity** [[27:47]] — In Endgame, they explained the Aether because few saw Thor: Dark World; they'll use similar strategy for obscure series.
- **She-Hulk twerking must stay** [[34:25]] — Panel jokes that the She-Hulk twerking scene should be kept, with Mike claiming to have filmed Megan Thee Stallion.
- **X-Men integration and comic-booky feel** [[36:48]] — Panel is excited for X-Men to appear alongside Avengers, and hopes the MCU returns to adapting comic stories closely.
- **Need for unified creative direction** [[39:24]] — The MCU used to have interconnectivity (e.g., Hydra guns sounding like Stark's arc reactor), but now creators are siloed; a 'fan liaison' with authority is needed.
- **Desire for a WWII Captain America film** [[49:47]] — Panel wants an R-rated Captain America movie where he fights Nazis, drawing from comic material and featuring Wolverine.
- **Endgame re-release with Doom connections** [[53:18]] — Russo brothers are adding scenes to Endgame (like Dr. Doom forging armor sound) to connect to Doomsday, potentially including the Watcher or Loki.
- **Sadie Sink as Jean Grey in Spider-Man** [[58:19]] — Leaked trailer shows pink energy, likely from Jean Grey; panel suspects she is being used, not a villain, to set up mutant fear.

### Conclusion

The panel agrees that while 'Phase Zero' is a marketing gimmick, the MCU needs a soft reboot that retains popular elements (Loki, WandaVision) while discarding failed ones. Doomsday will likely adapt Secret Wars and introduce the mutant era, but must be accessible to general audiences without requiring prior viewing of Disney+ shows.

## Transcript

Let's rewind. Rewind.
>> Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I
am your humble host, Ryan Ary, and today
we're going to talk about something.
This is a little bit old news, but we we
finally got around to talking about
this. We're going to talk about how the
Russo brothers said that Avengers
Doomsday, they're thinking of in terms
of a phase zero. They don't want
anything to about the movie to rely on
previous movies or films as much as
possible, which seems impossible to do.
So, we're going to talk about that and
some other Marvel tidbits. Also, a
leaked trailer for Spider-Man Brand New
Day uh dropped. I of course
didn't watch the leaked trailer. I would
never do such a thing. However, there
are rumors and rattlings I've heard
about it online that I think we're going
to talk about because it sounds like it
could be an interesting film based on
what we've seen so far. We're going to
just talk about latest news on that. And
of course, we want to hear from you guys
down in the comments and in the super
chats. Let us know what you think about
all this. And as always, super chats are
encouraged but not required. And later
we'll talk about what we're going to do
next regarding uh different membership
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merch discount. But first, let me bring
on our special panelist. Uh we got one
or two people who might be running a bit
late. But first up, you know him as
Doug's attorney, Mr. Mike Misella.
What's going on, Mike?
>> Hey, Ryan. Uh, I mean, little awkward. I
got to say I'm a little caught off
guard. You're talking about Marvel and
Doomsday and I thought we were here
today to talk about the big news, which
is, of course, we finally got a
whalefall trailer.
>> Yeah, I know. After Yeah. No, I know. I
know.
>> After all the anticipation, whale fall
is coming. That whale is falling. Who's
going to catch it? I don't know. Not me.
All right. But I know that me and all my
fellow whale watchers out there are
going to be in the theaters day one. I
already got my tickets.
The tickets went on sale today, too, and
I missed. Well, my theater will be sold
out.
>> Yeah, I got special connections. Okay. I
I had to do a whole nautical thing. I
don't know if you noticed. That's also
why I'm wet. I'm not sweaty. It's just
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's a really
interesting blank sky background behind
you as well. Very very
>> Yeah. Thanks. I also I mean whale fall.
My This whale is falling.
>> Oh, I couldn't even read it. Yeah, I got
you. Um uh and if and if you guys are
behind on this, we we covered the Disney
Upfronts thinking we would get a trailer
for something and instead we got the
announcement of Whalefall, which we were
all very excited about. Next up, you
know her from her very own channel,
Whitney Vision. Here she is, Miss
Whitney L Van Landingham. What is going
on, Whitney? How are you?
>> Hi, I'm good. How are you?
>> Wow, it's been so long since somebody
actually asked me that. [laughter]
>> I'm great.
>> That's why I'm here, baby. I'm here
because I care about you.
I care about I just want to throw that
out there. No,
>> you care about whales, Mike. Don't lie.
>> I I also care about the whales. Okay.
Some of them are endangered. [laughter]
>> Whitney, is that Pugsley on your pillow
behind you?
>> Um, this is a pug mask. Uh, you can you
can wear it on your on your head like
Yeah. And then you become a pug. And uh
it's great. Brett was Pugsley for
Halloween a few years ago.
>> Excellent. Yeah. Love it. Love it. You
should wear that on Whitney Vision
sometimes when you're doing your
animation videos and animated
breakdowns. It would fit right in.
>> Oh, that was such a sick plug. That was
such a serious
>> see what I do for you. You see the
things I do. It's like, and if you love
Mike's level of humor, you can always,
of course, catch him at his comedy shows
every week. Mike M Comedy on Instagram
with links for that down below. And
finally, a guy who has his own YouTube
channel, who also does a lot of stuff
here at Screen Crush as a full-time
staff member. You know him as a guy
who's trapped in our TV and doesn't know
it, so please don't tell him. Mr. Colton
Augburn.
Aug.
>> I I don't I I don't care how you're
doing. I I don't care.
>> Yeah, that's okay, man. You're in good
company with the rest of Earth.
>> I really care how [laughter] you're
doing.
>> Hey, you know, I I messaged you. My my
camera's giving me trouble when you want
to know what the problem was.
>> What?
>> Yes.
>> You're too beautiful.
>> What?
>> [ __ ] wasn't plugged in.
>> No.
>> Wait, that'll do it.
>> I'll be honest. I wasn't paying
attention at the start of what you said.
What wasn't plugged in?
>> The the camera just wasn't plugged. I'm
sitting there like troubleshooting your
camera and everything and then I look
and the cable that connects it to my
computer is just
>> just dangling. I got to say for all the
technical problems that I have, that's
not one of them. I know where I know
where the cables go. I'm sitting there
troubleshooting, going into the
settings, checking the HDMI out and all
in the cable,
>> just dangling the whole time, mocking
you like the pet in the pendulum,
swinging back and forth.
>> Well, Colton, I'm glad you're here. I
don't know if you missed it in the
intro, but we're going to talk about how
the Russo brothers have been talking
about this phase zero. I want to go over
that news with you guys, and I want to
hear first of all what you guys think
that means for the multiverse saga and
whether or not it's required viewing. Is
that [ __ ] on the multiverse saga?
But then later, I want to talk about
this idea of a soft reboot and maybe
what you're hopeful or what you're
looking forward to the MCU kind of
getting rid of in the soft reboot and
what you want to see them keep. And of
course, you guys can let us know in the
comments. Super chats are always, like I
said, encouraged but not required. So,
let's start with this quote from the
Rootoes, right? They were at South by
Southwest London, which by the way, also
the site of a pretty kick-ass coffee
shop. I don't know [laughter] if you
guys are up on that.
Uh Joe Russo speaking to the Hollywood
Reporter from South by Southwest London
uh said the serial shifting changing and
the serial shifting and changing and
surprising and then reinventing itself
and then shifting and changing. I think
you're going to see some shifting and
changing with doomsday. We were both
talking about this concept that we are
back to phase zero. This is starting
over from scratch. We want to make sure
everybody feels like this isn't leaning
on anything from the past. Uh,
>> damn. Say say shifting and changing one
more time, boys. Say it one more time.
>> Yeah, I don't know what the context of
that was. I don't SAY IT ONE MORE TIME,
[ __ ] NOW, [laughter] WHAT DO
YOU guys say one more? Um,
how in the hell can this movie, let's
just start with the practical matter.
How can Avengers Doomsday with all those
chairs? How can they possibly, and I'm
not saying it's not possible, but how
can they tell a story that's not reliant
on knowledge of the past? They, the
Russos even said, by the way, they could
not have made the movie Captain America:
Civil War if it weren't for what had
come before in the MCU. There's no way
to make that movie work with with a
quarter of the cast without the previous
history of the MCU.
>> Can I just say,
>> you think it's possible that the first
hour of the movie is just exposition?
>> No. Just like, and here's this person,
this person,
>> old sonar. Like
>> I I'm elated to have our our two fine
guests here, but I I do wish that Alex
was here because he wrote a great
article saying, "Can the Russos just be
normal about Doomsday?" and talks about
their tone poems and everything.
>> They're so weird, man. When you were
reading that, my eyes just glazed over.
He sounds like he's trying to meet a
word count on an essay that's due in
four minutes. [laughter] Like,
>> no, seriously. How many times is it
shifting and changing three times?
That's somebody who's looking to hit a
word count. I thought it was a typo
thesaurus open
>> double space. Make periods a larger
font.
>> You can ring in the margins.
>> You can totally do it. I mean, we didn't
need the origin story of Han Solo,
Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker,
Chewbacca, Lando cover, you know,
everybody to watch Star Lando's in the
second.
>> No, but that was five cast members, not
50. Oh, Darth Vader, the Stormtroopers,
you know, just every movie has a [ __ ]
ton of characters in it. Like, but you
don't
>> like so much. Yeah, the Stormtroopers
got me there.
>> Yeah. But I'm saying like you don't need
like all these buildup films for each
character. You can have an ensemble cast
and I think to a movie that'll work. Uh
so, and if that's what they're saying is
you can walk into Doomsday and just
watch it. Sure. I don't know why they're
feeling the need to say this is from
scratch. This is phase zero. Everyone
saw Avengers Endgame like multiple
times. That movie nearly cracked three
billion. So, I don't know why they're
even really feeling the need to say it's
completely from scratch. But I just wish
they would be normal. And if they don't
have anything to say about Doomsday yet,
that's fine. Shut up. Just stop talking
about Terry.
>> Yeah,
>> you don't have to. Nobody's holding a
gun to your head. It's okay.
>> Yeah.
Well, Whitney, uh, I don't know. Tell me
what you think here as far as this idea.
What phase zero [ __ ] means? What?
Okay, we should talk about phase zero
then.
>> What does that even mean?
>> It's a prequel. Phase one confirmed.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, this is the prequel. Is
this the Phantom Menace of the MCU?
Like, is that what are we going to get?
Are we going to get Dr. Doom pod racing?
Cuz that's what I want, baby.
>> Godzilla minus one and phase one.
>> Yes, exactly.
>> I don't I don't think they literally
meant it's phase zero, right? I do think
what they mean though is they're trying
to achieve something where you don't
have to have seen the multiverse saga to
come into this. I think what I think
they have to do a very weird
>> Well, but but that's the thing. It the
reason why they did it is because
corporate forced them to make too much
[ __ ] for Disney Plus. So, they couldn't
make Avengers movies over the past few
years because it was logistically
impossible because they were being asked
to make hundreds of hours of content
while also getting an Avengers movie
ready for last year, which is what their
original plan was. So, the fact that
they've only they've not only been
handed make a good movie, but make a
good movie that wraps up this saga, oh,
but that also ignores this saga seems
very weird to me because the saga had
good [ __ ] and I'm really disappointed
that we're not that it's going to be
focused on Steve Rogers and not Shani.
I think I know what they might do with
it. And it's kind of like the almost
like the obvious thing to do, but they
have a way to get out of it without it
seeming cheap. And that is to keep the
good and get rid of the bad, right?
They're going to have some things from
the Multiverse Saga that need to be
known for this movie, right? You need to
know what's going on with Loki. You're
going to be very confused if you don't
know what's going on with Loki. Good
news is that one was a hit, right?
They're not going to touch Secret
Invasion, but good news there is not a
lot of people watched that. Not a lot of
people watched Iron Hart. Nobody watched
Ekko. Like there's a bunch of things
that they're just not going to touch
because they don't need to. And I feel
like the things that people actually
watched like Wanda Division. Uh even if
you didn't see Captain America, Brave
New World, you probably watched Falcon
and the Winter Soldier because it was
the pandemic and everyone watched it.
You know that Sam Wilson is Captain
America. probably a lot of people
watched Thunderbolts when it eventually
came out on streaming, right? Like I
know it didn't do well at the box
office, but then the hype got around. I
think they're going to acknowledge and
use the good stuff as crucial plot
points and everything that was not
popular or didn't go over well, they're
just gonna like
>> Well, Mike, you're speaking in
generalities a lot there. You know,
you're saying like everybody did this.
>> You want me to say specifics like who I
think is staying and
>> No, [laughter] no, no, no, no. Hold on.
I got a followup. I got a followup for
you. uh when when Doctor Strange
Multiverse of Madness came out, a lot of
like let's just say general audiences,
civilians, and that movie made a lot of
money, right? A lot of people showed up
and were confused because they didn't
watch Wision because not everybody has a
Disney Plus subscription. Now, I know W
Division obviously was watched by a lot
of people, had a lot of buzz, but the
normal people out there who don't follow
who don't who aren't don't have YouTube
channels um aren't necessarily following
every single thing that comes out. And a
lot of those people did skip
Thunderbolts and all these other things.
So, I mean, when you're talking about
everybody saw this, I think you're
talking about either the people who saw
in the or the people with the Disney
Plus subscription. And I that's why I do
understand that they do kind of have to
go back to Endgame and go, "Hey,
remember this is a sequel to the last
Avengers movie."
>> Go ahead.
I think more time has elapsed between
when this movie is going to come out and
when Loki came out or Wision came out
compared to when Wision came out and
Multiverse of Madness came out. I think
by now, even if you didn't take the time
to watch all of the shows on Disney
Plus, there are these wonderful channels
on YouTube that break down and summarize
all of the things that happened at the
plot points. I think a lot of people
were like, "I'm going to skip that show,
but I'll get the summary. I'll get the
spark notes." And at least by now when
you get to Doomsday, the people that
care enough to clock the plot points
will have caught themselves up even if
they didn't want to commit a bunch of
time to Hawkeye or whatever.
>> I agree.
>> If the Loki series or a YouTube channel
recap is required viewing to see this
movie, they have already failed going
into it.
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't
watch Loki.
What? What, Whitney?
>> Oh, I I know so many people who didn't
watch Loki. I know so many people who
fell off after pretty much Wanda
Division and then they just kind of
never got back on. So, it is I think it
is
>> really a huge disservice to all of the
work that they did in the multiverse
saga to have them say things like, "Oh,
no. Don't worry. We're going back to
phase zero. You guys won't have to know
any of that [ __ ] we did. Haha. Can
you believe we did all that crazy stuff?
No more. No more. you don't have to
worry about that ever again. That just
does such a disservice to all of the
really cool parts of the multiverse
saga. So, I'm I'm a little annoyed with
phase zero. I'm like, [ __ ] off. You're
just not smart enough to think of a way
to wrap it up good.
>> And here's
>> But even if they did wrap it up
perfectly, I just kind of I was getting
out with Mike. I think a lot of people
the mo most people would What the who
who is this? Like I don't who is this
person? You know, a lot of that.
>> Yeah. Well, and here's the good thing
about this being a direct sequel to
Endgame, which I called months before
they said that. Let me do my little won
a medal. Like, congratulations.
So, she doesn't.
Sorry. Wait a um
>> Oh, no. It's okay.
>> One of the great things about it being a
direct sequel though, and I love Loki. I
think a lot of people saw Loki, but I
think anytime, even if it's a hit TV
show, even like something like Wanda
Vision that we were all uh in lockdown
and like everybody watched it. You can't
have a TV show be required viewing for a
movie. I mean, I've said that till I'm
as blue as this void behind me uh in the
face. So, with Loki, you you have a huge
loose end in Endgame that is directly
tied to time travel and branching
timelines [clears throat] and the
multiverse. You could so easily with how
Endgame ended and Steve going into the
quantum realm and all that. There's
gonna be a scene
>> in Doomsday that they can so easily
catch us up with a conversation between
Loki and some other character to let
everybody know, yeah, when you guys
tampered with time, this thing happened.
And that will tell you everything you
need to know. And then that'll, you
know, help the Loki series probably do
even more numbers like, oh, maybe I'll
go watch that series. But it if they
just open with Loki sitting on the
throne at the end of time and like don't
even bother to like give us any
information on that, which I do not
think they'll do, that would be a very
very big mistake. I think
>> if they want to do real box office
numbers, they will show Loki making out
with Owen Wilson on the back of a
[ __ ] jet ski like we all goddamn
wanted. If that that's how they can hook
me with phase zero.
>> Let's go.
>> But for real, Whitney, that should just
be the trailer like that. Yeah, I don't
know if you've ever seen Big Top
Pee-Wee, but it has the longest on
screen kiss of all time. It's just like
a fivem minute push in followed by a
fiveminute pull [laughter] out.
>> Crazy. But
>> I think that this whole like phase zero
thing a five minute pull out. Ryan, tell
us more about that.
>> It kind of defeats the purpose. Go
ahead.
>> Yeah, [laughter] it's a real slow pull
out game. I don't know about you.
>> N
Rozy, sorry, Mike. Go ahead. [laughter]
What were you saying?
>> No, you're fine. I was just going to say
like I think this would be a stupid
idea, but I'm trying to think of other
interpretations of phase zero and it's
like what if they're going to show us
like ancient MCU? They're going to reset
everything and then the first thing that
we get is like the celestials. It's like
we're rebooting and we're starting with
Eternals again.
>> Well,
>> we're rebooting and we're starting with
God in the Garden of Natural.
>> There was a comic book called Marvel
Saga that did that that like narrated
the whole [ __ ] thing from the start.
Sorry, Whitney. Go ahead.
Starting with the Garden of Eden.
>> Yeah. No, starting at the Garden of
Eden, baby. Let's go. Let's go back.
>> I'd be down to see a Thor movie that's
set in ancient Viking times. Like,
that'd be sick, right? If we got a a
Thor movie set in like 500 AD, like
that'd be dope.
>> Well, okay, you bring up you bring up a
good point. I want to circle back to
talking about Loki and stuff, but I want
to talk about this in a bit, so I'll
just bring it up now. So, the idea that
they keep bringing up where Feige said
at one point, we're going to do a soft
reset, right? I think we've talked about
this on various live streams before, but
I'm kind of like looking back and going,
there are some things that would be
really cool to do. Now, obviously, you
can reccon Secret Invasion. It never
happened and you can do a real Secret
Invasion movie like it should have been.
But also, you brought up a good point
because Thor was not in like one of the
problem people have with the movies is
that he uh he's a little kid during
Norse times. So, where did the legend of
Thor come from? So maybe that's one of
those things they can reccon in this new
universe where Thor was active during he
was born in year zero and not year 500.
That's a kind of a cool thing they could
adapt and change. And I love that idea.
>> Here's the reason it's called phase
zero. Like seriously or not that it's
called phase zero, but I I think I know.
Was it Joe that said Joe Russo that said
this? It's usually him that says all the
talking. He's like,
>> "Yeah, he's the taco."
>> Um, I think what it means is I if you've
read the 2015 Secret Wars, you know, and
they're adapting it and time Runs Out is
really going with Doomsday. We're going
to see the multiverse collapse.
>> We're going to get Battle World and then
at the end of Secret Wars, we're going
to get a brand new universe. And there's
an interview they did a few months back.
I forget which outlet it was with where
they mentioned the Russos mentioned that
this is not so much an ending as it is a
beginning. And I think that's pretty
much what they're saying here is that I
I do think that Doomsday is going to
feel like a a final chapter in a lot of
ways. But then probably about midway
through the film or in the third act is
when we see that phase zero start and
that's when this new beginning to this
new universe that leads into the mutant
saga begins. So I think
>> all of their marketing I agree because
all the marketing is based on
countdowns.
>> Yeah.
>> So you count down to zero. I think maybe
that's what they're going for with it.
That makes total sense. Um but also it's
the cycle of the universe. I mean most
astrophysicists believe that you know we
began with the big bang and that there's
two theories. Either the universe keeps
expanding forever until atoms are, you
know, millions of light years apart or
it hits a certain point and then
coaleses into a big crunch which then
starts the cycle again
>> like collapses.
>> And that cycle
>> is what they do in the Marvel comics.
That's where Galactus comes from. He's a
holdover from the previous universe.
>> No idea what you're talking about, man.
God made the Earth in seven days. Says
so in the Bible.
>> Says so in the Bible.
>> Also got that.
>> No such thing as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs
are wrong because those aren't in the
Bible. And that's why we're talking
about the fiction of the Marvel
Cinematic Universe, guys, not the real
world that you guys live in.
>> The real visualiz MCU where evolution in
the Big Bang exists. Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Exactly.
>> They visualize the big crunch though in
Loki, like tying it back to Loki. Yeah.
In the in the finale of Loki, they show
that
>> it collapse and then go back in on
itself and then the big bang happened
again. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly. And the black holes are
also tied.
>> Yeah. Black holes are also tied to um
the multiverse itself because in that
same sequence you're talking about the
start of Loki 106, the camera pulls out
again. Takes like five minutes to pull
all the way out and then um [laughter]
and
13
[laughter]
>> and then uh you um and then like it goes
into another universe through the other
black hole it's like next to. So yes,
that is like then uh Oraoris keeps
describing like yeah, you know, it's
like when you you the black hole turns
you into spaghetti and then we see
that's what incursions also do. They
turn people into spaghetti and this like
weird, you know, noodle kind of look
like we saw in the end of Loki season 2.
So Loki is kind of at the the center of
this, which is unfortunate because it
was a streaming show that is very
complicated to explain to people. And
I'm curious how you guys think they
should or would or could address Loki
and his new role in the show because if
you if you pull somebody off the street,
it's insane. It's Oh, did you see the
Avengers movies? Oh, yeah. I like those.
Did you like Loki? Oh, yeah. He died,
right? Well, no, he didn't die. He went
to this place with these time cops,
right? And so there's this thing and
this guy is the center of the universe.
It is so [ __ ] weird and so hard to
explain. So, how do you bring him in as
the guy who can explain things to people
while you also have to I want to hear
some theories.
>> I think it's exactly like Colton said,
they bring him back and it's just one of
those things where like you didn't need
to see what happened with him at the TVA
and everything. You saw him go through a
time door. He comes back out through a
time door. This is kind of like his
Gandalf the White moment, right? like
Loki returns, but he's changed
>> and we don't need to know how he changed
or why he changed. I mean,
>> he's gayer now. Spoiler.
>> He's much gayer now. He's much more
fluid.
>> Way gayer.
>> Loki, they are very fluid and
>> much. Let me have it.
>> But when Gandalf the White came back,
there was a flashback, right? He he
didn't just narrate
>> eventually, right? But like not
>> Well, no. He shows up and then like he
shows up and then he's like, "Oh, I
fought the thing." And they're showing
all that stuff like they're showing what
happens to them as he tells them.
>> I think they need to have the flashback.
>> I I'm notorious.
>> Oh, go ahead.
>> No,
>> you don't think they'll do that in a
flashback? Um I'm notorious for hating
exposition, but I I love it when it's
between two characters that actually
need to share information with one
another in a story. So, if he if we see
Loki like encounter Thor or encounter
Steve Rogers and just say, "Hey, you
know that thing you did in Endgame?" And
hey, hey everybody watching, you know
too because I know you saw the movie
like twice.
>> You know that thing that happened? Oh
well I I went to the end of time and I
saw the m just like three sentences. I
went to the end of time. I saw the the
universe dying. You know pretty much
that speech that Kane gave to Janet just
reps.
I don't know what else to tell you.
>> That's the only problem with this now
that we're like like really working it
out is if he has that conversation, how
does he not include that conversation?
Oh, and by the way, there's this guy
called King the Conqueror and then we
get into a whole thing about Kingway.
>> All right. Well, let's get the King and
>> Loki does the exposition. He has to talk
about Kang. If we talk about King in
this movie, I will say this why he's not
in this movie.
>> There's a really good reason for him to
do the exposition to whoever he talks
to. If he talks to a hero, if it's Thor,
he's going to grab his hammer and maybe
not realize, you know, or Captain
America would definitely think because
he doesn't know that Loki was reformed.
So, I think he would react offensively
and then Loki has to explain that as
Whitney just said, so well, he's a big
tree now.
>> But then what about K?
>> Is he just getting ignored because of
the Loki finale? Is he just not
>> mention?
>> I might. Yeah, I don't think you need to
mention Kang. I I think that Kang is I
mean, he's really irrelevant to our
current state is that Loki understands
the multiverse is collapsing. He's
trying to fix it. There are many people
who have tried to, you know, conquer the
multiverse in the past, blah, blah,
blah. Our our latest threat is this Dr.
Doom guy. Like that. That's all he needs
to say. That the multiverse is vast.
It's dying. I'm trying to save it. That
I don't think you need to mention Kane.
really
>> if you think about it from the
perspective of a fan who has only seen
the movies and the shows and does not
know anything about the outside world
and what went on with Jonathan Majors
and any of that doesn't know that he's
not able to return and all of that they
would think okay yeah well that big
thing with the Council of Kings that's
like when we saw Thanos at the end of
the first Avengers movie but he didn't
show up until Infinity War so maybe in
their minds or at least from like a
naive audience's perspective oh Kang is
still coming but he's further down the
line and he's worse than Duke And then I
don't know, at some point they either
recast Kang or do away with that. But I
don't think they need to address it.
>> Well, he has to go on a podcast and
explain uh [laughter] that uh Kang Kang
works with Ben Shapiro now and
[laughter] we don't talk to him anymore.
I just really I don't think anyone
I don't think anyone's going to go into
Doomsday and ask where's Kane because I
mean we're certainly not going to ask
because we know either
>> and I don't think any general audience
member is going to care to ask.
>> I don't think the general audience is
going to care either but at the same
time it just
>> this isn't necessarily like a thing
where I think that people are going to
go into this movie and BE LIKE WHAT WHAT
HAPPENED TO KANG? WHERE DID THAT GUY GO?
I think that it's more of the fact that
it's like this is like another
thing in a long line of things that they
will seemingly never wrap up. And I
think that that's kind of more so the
issue than any one of those specific
things not coming back. Like I do I need
to see Harry Styles in the MCU? No. It
will change my life 0%. Yeah, it it'll
change my life 0%. But they put those
things in front of me and then they're
just either never going to tell me or
they're going to tell me so far into the
future that it kind of won't matter at
that point.
>> 16 years in the future and explained by
a newscast. Yeah.
>> No. Exactly. Exactly. And so I just I I
think that that's more so the
frustrating thing for me. It's I think
it's going to be less that people are
like, "Oh man, what happened to that
Kang fellow?" I think it's more going to
be why the [ __ ] do they keep giving us
these huge plot points and these like
crazy like postredit scenes cliffhers
that imply so much and then never do
anything with it.
>> I think we're kind of not addressing the
elephant in the room here and that is
that when the MCU was in its heyday in
the Infinity Saga, right? Like when
Captain America: Civil War was so good
and everybody went to go watch it, and I
say everybody like Marvel fans multiple
times, but civilians, people off the
street, then they saw that movie and
they went, "Oh, Spider-Man. Oh, Black
Panther. What's up with them?" They saw
Infinity War. They saw the end credits
and they said, "Oh, who's that about?
Who's Captain Marvel?" Something has to
be good in order to feed people the next
thing. And Marvel kind of hit this mid I
don't want to call it superhero fatigue.
I think it was mid fatigue. So the Russo
brothers now have to kind of go through
and go, well, what's worth mentioning?
What what did people care about? What
resonated with people? And like you
said, Colton, Quantum Mania had like an
80% drop off in its second weekend. I
think it was pretty bad. Like whatever
it was,
>> 69
brothers, what they dedicate time to
explaining, right? I think again this
supports my theory that they're going to
spend time, a little bit of exposition
time explaining the things that are
important that people might not know,
but the things that are important that
they feel like people definitely already
know, they're not going to spend time
on. They did not spend time in Infinity
War explaining who Thanos was. They did
spend time in Endgame explaining what
the Aether is because probably not a lot
of people saw Thor in the dark world,
right? So, they're like,
>> "Whatever we know is popular, we're not
going to waste time explaining. If
there's something that's not as popular,
didn't get the credit it deserved, or
didn't get the viewership it deserved,
but we feel like it's important enough
to be a part of this movie, we will
dedicate two minutes of exposition to
that topic.
>> Did we tell me? Oh, go ahead, Colin.
Sorry.
>> Did we meet Maria Hill before the first
Avengers movie?
>> Yes. No.
>> No.
>> No.
>> No.
>> No. She's not an Iron Man, too. She
>> They didn't do any
>> background, who her parents are, where
she came from, the trauma she went
through as a child. We didn't need any
of that. We just got it. Like she was
there.
>> She's a woman. She's a soldier. She's
She's in a uniform.
>> It's mandatory in the MCU to tell people
if you're an orphan, Colton. You have to
[ __ ] tell.
>> Yeah. Especially if you have dad issues.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, let me ask. What What is one thing
you go ahead?
>> No, I was just say my point is is that
with what's his name? The [ __ ]
Captain America guy. Uh [snorts]
>> John Walker, Wyatt Russell Walker,
>> Johnny Mayonnaise.
>> All of these characters. You don't have
to.
>> I don't know who Sam Wilson you were
trying to think of. If it was like, what
was that guy's name? The one I really
didn't like. Sam Wilson. That was
>> Yeah. Yeah. Tommy, not my Captain. Yeah.
Anyway [laughter]
>> Tommy says it all the time.
>> Yeah, I know he does.
>> Yeah. When he's not on the podcast.
Yeah. Out of nowhere.
[laughter]
>> I've heard the kitchen sink.
>> Yeah. I've just I've heard Tommy just
say that at random times.
>> I just think a lot of those characters
are just kind of You get it. You don't
have to have all this background stuff.
You just kind of get it. like, oh, okay,
>> you're Yeah, you're bringing up Maria
Hill, who is like shield soldier number
one. I mean, that's like you didn't have
to know a lot about her, but like for
instance, Shani shows up, right? Shani
is somebody who I think has something
that will be in this movie. You know,
Whitney, you mentioned those postredits
teases that won't be mentioned, like
Brett Goldstein, Hercules, Star Fox, but
if the Eternals would have been a big
hit, absolutely they would be in this
movie. But I do think that the beacon at
the end of Shani is going to be
addressed somehow and that'll be what
draws him into the movie in some way. So
there are going to be ways where I think
the Eternals just won't get mentioned.
And if they ever do, it'll be in some
sequel involving Star-Lord, I hope, or
something like that. But in this movie,
maybe they'll be in Secret Wars. We did
a video about that a while back. But
what do you guys think is going to be
the thing that we'll stay in that that
they can use from the multiverse saga to
address? And then we name one thing that
they kind of just are going to show up.
pull out.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What are we going to pull
on? How long is it going to take?
[laughter]
>> The black hole. Pull out. Takes a long
time.
>> One more. We get demonetized.
[laughter]
>> Seriously. And
>> And if you're listening to us on any
podcast platform, you have no idea
what's we're doing right now. Like the
visuals are so gross.
>> Um
shirt.
>> He does have a nice nautical shirt on.
Uh do you guys have one thing of each?
One thing to keep and one thing to get
rid of.
>> One thing to keep, one thing you think
they get rid of it
>> in Doomsday or like a after the reboot.
>> Let's do Doomsday for now. Like because
we're talking about like what they're
going to do in the movie, what they're
going to ignore in the multiverse saga
and then a little bit let's talk about
the actual reset and what we expect from
there.
>> Like I think Sean's beacon is a little
ambiguous there. I think here we're
talking about get rid of in terms of
what do they not even bother mentioning.
>> Exactly. We'll see of course. Um,
[clears throat]
>> so no Gaia. I think that's good. Yeah,
>> that's one.
>> I think you're right.
>> Because it wasn't popular and it was a
Disney Plus show and ultimately you
don't need her in the movie. Like scroll
scrolls were inconsequential in the
Marvels, let alone in Avengers Doomsday.
That's a great one.
>> Yeah, and I agree with Mike. I think I
think no young Avengers I don't think
we're going to get any of them
>> really for possibly Wiccan and Speed. I
don't know. Maybe only because of Wanda,
but I don't think Um,
>> we're not getting M Marvel.
>> A guy. We don't get Ms. Marvel.
>> I think the Young Avengers Secret Wars.
>> Yeah. And I think that's going to be
Secret Wars like in the end.
>> Yeah. And Secret Wars, but yeah, I don't
think that they're going to put those
guys in this one.
>> I Do you think it's a postredit scene?
>> Maybe.
>> Possibly.
>> Calls Kate Bishop and is like, "Hey, we
need we need 2% more help from you and a
bunch of teenagers. Go get Patriot. Go
get
>> I don't know whoever else. Who who have
they established? Go get Scar. We need
Scar.
>> Do you guys think that we could have a
postredit scene?
>> Do you think a postredit scene would
work? So, Colton, you did a great video
a few weeks back where you talked about
the young Avengers and how they could be
the ones on the ark that like where
their memories are preserved. So, when
the new universe starts, everybody
worships Doom except for them. I wonder
if a postredit scene where they're just
on a ship would work, you know, and they
would be like a scene from Secret Wars,
but we get to see them. They're
together. We go, "Oh, who are they?
What? They're the saviors, these kids."
You know what I mean? And then maybe in
Secret Wars, we see how they got on the
ship or what the story was there. That'd
be kind of cool.
>> Yeah. I I like the idea of like our
heroes and I mean this basically what I
got into in that video, but we know that
the Avengers and the X-Men, the
Fantastic 4 that they're not going to be
like down on the ground fighting like
Doombots in New York City. I think
that's where the Young Avengers could
come in and that that's where they could
like as the universe is collapsing. I
don't know who who all would be a part
of it. I I forget who I even had.
>> Street level street level people would
also be a part of that fight. Right. So
we got Young Avengers and then we also
got Daredevil Punisher
>> Luke Cage. Wow.
>> I mean the the Daredevil born again
season 3 of it all is very confusing
because that movie is going to come out
or that show Spider-Man after Doomsday
but before Secret Wars and Yeah.
Exactly.
>> We have to remember that Cassie Lang is
very knowledgeable of the quantum realm.
>> And Kank
>> that is true.
>> Yeah. and she is now connected, I think,
with because we know that
>> Camala is going to get her and she got
Kate Bishop first. So, I could see those
three maybe being the the core like
young Avengers that we see going to the
quantum realm via like a a raft or
something. Yeah, that'd be neat.
>> I would be shocked if Vision Quest
doesn't end with Wiccan showing up to
find his brother and saying, "Let's go
get our mom."
>> I think that's the big thing they're
setting up for Secret Wars. And then
those guys run into the three of them.
So yeah, those are all things I think
they'll keep, but not necessarily in
Doomsday.
>> And where is their mom?
>> In the void.
>> Yeah, which is division.
>> Battle.
>> Yeah.
>> And then Wision book ends the whole
saga. I would love that. No, I think
you're 100% right.
>> Is there anything else you guys think
they're for sure going to keep or is
necessary for Doomsday?
>> She-Hulk twerking. They're keeping it.
They're keeping it. I'm calling it.
She-Hulk twerking all day, all night.
Doomsday that butt. Let's go.
>> Hey, I've said it a hundred times. Megan
the Stallion is one of the coolest
artists I've ever worked with. Like
before she was actually famous, she came
in the room and she could just tell she
was gonna
heard
>> this.
No, no. I filmed I filmed it for XL.
>> I filmed her for XL for freshman years
ago.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I have no idea.
>> No, no. It's I've talked about it
before. I'm not trying to like brag. I
don't really care. Yeah. No, she's I
mean I just didn't know.
>> No, but that's awesome.
>> Well, anyway, I was pissing next to
George Clooney and I was talking to him
about, you know, my taxes. Yeah,
>> I pissed next to Tony Iomi once, which
was really weird. That was a strange
like Yeah, the hand holding That's the
hand that made Heavy Metal that created
Heavy Metal and I'm right next to it.
>> Anyways, let's talk about what happens
after this reboot and then maybe we'll
talk about the Spider-Man trailer that
leaked and I definitely didn't watch the
leak. So,
>> whale fall.
>> Exactly. And then we have to get to the
people that they want.
>> What do you guys feel like you're
looking forward to the most about the
soft reset?
>> Oh, and Monica Monica is going to be
picked up on because we know she's in
the X-Men universe. Sorry, I meant to
say that.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no, Monica will be
in the movie. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
I 100% think because she's the one who
can explain things to people. Wait, it's
like when Leia when the Ewoks are about
to eat Luke and Han and then Leia shows
up and explains what's going on to them.
I think that's I think is Leia.
>> They're from the Marvel movies before
Iron Man. They're cool.
[laughter]
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> I don't think you need a lot of
exposition for uh Photon because she's
uh was in Wavision. It's another thing
that a lot a long time ago. They might
not see the Marvels. So, they got to be
like
>> Monica Rambo could be in this movie, but
likely Carol Danvers won't. I mean, this
is somebody who headed a billion-dollar
film, and I don't even know if uh Brie
Larson
>> wants to come back at all.
>> Will I think it's a surprise or
something, or maybe they're not putting
her on the advertising because they
think it'll be have a negative reaction
if they advertise that she's in the
movie, which is
>> screwed up, but
>> yeah.
>> What was your question about the what
we're looking forward to in the reset?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys want to
pivot over to that if we're done talking
about Doomsday,
X-Men. I just I can't wait to see like
in the actual MCU like in a live action
film with other superheroes. I've only
ever seen the X-Men in things with other
X-Men.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> Other than the cartoons, which I grew up
on and absolutely loved, but those
crossover episodes where like Captain
America would show up and like go on a
mission with Wolverine were the best.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Fantastic.
>> Yeah, same.
looking forward to seeing them get to
>> the best.
>> I just want to see them get to a point
where they're a little bit more back to
the comics and less away and less away
from the movies, right? Because Robert
No, but seriously, like Robert Downey
Jr. became Tony Stark. He embodied the
character in a way that like and and
that gave Tony Stark an outsized
importance that he's important character
in the comics, especially during the
events of Civil War and the fallout
afterwards, but nobody would ever be
like, "Oh, yeah, Iron Man's the flagship
hero of Marvel comics." I would really
like to see a Marvel universe where all
these characters are back, Steve Rogers,
Iron Man, whoever, and just recast and
just kind of go back to adapting those
stories because I think the movies in
more ways than one. The movies even
started to affect the comic publishing
for a while where Marvel started to hand
down edicts that you couldn't create
more X-Men characters when the rights
were held by Fox. And I loved these
movies the most when it was taking those
comics and giving them like cool spins
in the real world and adapting them
straight. And as soon as they moved too
far away from it, I think it lost the
magic. No, I 100% agree. I think that a
lot of like my disappointment with the
most like some of not all obviously I
still like a lot of these movies and
shows of course but like some of my
disappointment comes from the fact of
that like that we don't um [ __ ] sorry I
lost my train of thought. What was I
just going to say?
>> That's okay. Well, I was talking about
comics and adapt like when I watched the
battle of New York it felt like I was
watching a splash panel.
>> Yes, that's exactly what I was gonna
Yes. So, it it really bothered me that
back in the day you could do really
cool, solid theorizing about what might
happen based on the comic books that
you'd read and you knew that they were
going to change it. Like you knew that
like things were going to be different.
So, you didn't fully know like what was
going to happen in the story. But I love
that the comics used to be like a little
road map for these movies and that it
was for people who if you knew, you
knew, but you didn't have to like read
them to go in and enjoy it. And I do
really miss that. I really really miss
having things that feel more comic booky
and less comic book movie. Uh so I I I
also hope that they return to that.
>> Also, a unified plan will be really good
to have. You know how like in the MCU
they used to do so many projects that
with they used to have so much time
between projects that they could do
things like um
like when Hydra's forces fire their guns
they're from the test rack they sound
like Tony Stark's arc like his um his
arc reactor because it turn you know you
can theorize then like you're saying
Whitney the arc reactor then must have
been derived from the technology from
the tesseract that Howard so there were
all these little things they could do
but right now when they're making so
stuff and I love a lot of the stuff
they've made, you know, but when they're
making so much,
>> creators get siloed from each other and
it's harder for people to kind of pick
up and coordinate and add to, you know,
my favorite example ever is the idea of
Doctor Strange seeing all those
realities. They got that from Doctor
Strange and the ancient one saying she
saw possible futures. So, I want these
people to be able to build on each
other. Sorry, Colton.
>> They need someone
I'm available. uh who can
>> who can come in and kind of just be
someone who pops into every room and
like can go into an editing room when
they're editing a battle sequence or
doing the sound design and say, "Hey,
you know what would be cool is if you
use this same sound effect from these
blasters in this movie that when they
were on that same plant." Like just
little interconnectivity stuff like
that. It used to be Kevin Feige before
he became like the head of a studio
watered down.
>> Maybe like a fan or something like
that'd be a cool role like
>> Well, it used to be the creative
committee and thank god it's not.
>> Can you imagine the job applications for
fan leaison? Those would [laughter] be
the most toxic [ __ ] job applications
at the
>> Oh man, that I would that could just be
a YouTube channel just reading them out
loud.
You know what though? What you're
talking about is even less likely to
happen because they fired thousands of
people from their visv department and
that department is the reason why all
the MCU movies kind of felt like they
took place in the same universe which
wasn't always a good thing because the
look got stale. But sorry right on what
you're saying.
>> Oh no. All I was going to say is um they
should let me audition for Wolverine
because uh I'd be great.
>> I keep saying bring a lot of I'm not
even kidding. I'm a good actor. I'm like
a short angry Sicilian guy. going to ask
how tall are you because
>> so much authenticity to the role like
>> hell yeah hell yeah
>> I could do the nose snarl
>> this is me standing
>> a shot
>> or at least [laughter]
>> read read my war machine spec script
just do that
>> okay
>> someone someone's got to write a war
machine spec script all right Colton go
for it
>> another title
>> read it
>> another good title for this this role
that I'm totally not pitching for myself
I love my job uh but I I could do it
like at night or something I don't know
um yeah
>> is if you got offered a job at Marvel
and you passed it up to keep working
here. I'd be like Ben Affleck in
Goodwill Hunting. I'd [ __ ] kill you.
Like [laughter]
>> if I come to door in 20 years and you're
still there, I'm going to [ __ ] kill
you. Sorry guys.
>> [ __ ] kill you. They need the um
actually. They need somebody on set who
kind of like a script supervisor who
like maintains continuity and stuff.
They need somebody there that can kind
of do the well actually and like
somebody to speak up for Elizabeth Olsen
when she's trying to tell them you're
kind of retreading what we already went
over division but it needs to be
somebody with power. It needs to be
>> somebody to be like
>> Nate Moore Brad Winterbomb somebody like
Liberty should actually be copper at
this point because not enough time has
passed for the oxidization to occur.
>> It needs to be someone who
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. But they but it has to be someone
that has a title like in all seriousness
like an executive producer title where
they have the authority to walk up to
the director and say
>> hey you need to do this. It can't just
be some you know like slightly above
intern guy who's like well actually you
know in the in this issue or whatever.
No it has to be like somebody with some
authority to go in there and can
actually demand hey this is wrong. We
need to adjust this. Did you ever hear
Sam Witworth's story about Padme?
Uh, and when his first gig on the Clone
Wars.
>> Yes. It was uh she was meeting Anakin's
mom, right? And he was like, "Actually,
they've already met at this point."
>> Yeah. So, what it is is his first day
recording. They didn't know who he was.
He wasn't Darth Maul yet. He was like
soldier number two. He was doing a um a
thing for the Mortise Gods. And there's
a part in that episode where u you know
Dave Fona is there. They're all there
and he's sitting next to Ashley X
Kasoka's in the episode. And then uh
there's a line in it where Ahsoka tells
a ghost of his mom like, "Oh, I'm in
love. I'm married. I can't wait for you
to meet her." And Sam Wilbur interrupts
and goes, "Um, actually," and everyone
looks like, "Who the hell is this guy?"
And he goes, "Yeah, Padme and Shmei have
already met." And they're like,
>> and then Ashley Xeen told him, "I've
never seen anybody outnner Dave Filon."
So that's
>> Let's see that in the episode, though.
Let's see. Ghost Shmei be like, "Wait,
her? She came to the [laughter] house
when you were
>> She came to the house once." Yeah. Are
you
>> You're marrying her?
>> You're marrying that lady. She was You
were 8 years old and she was a senator.
That lady,
>> you weren't like chatty predator.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Oh no.
>> Oh, that went a different way from how I
thought we did have some super you've
been groomed.
>> Jesus Christ.
>> Anakin, you get away. This is terrible.
Wait, you're living
>> and somehow not by the Jedi order.
You've been groomed by someone else.
[laughter]
>> I just want to post credit scene where
she's taking a politician.
>> Let me get this straight. You stole a
slave. [laughter]
>> What is Niboo if not an island of
>> And he's now an occult.
>> Resign he will.
>> And you're married to [laughter]
>> You just do the Chappelle show bit.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Disgrace Jod is design. Resign he must
>> resign. Let's get
>> I want to get to these super chats
before we talk about Gan Gray. Arman,
friend of the channel, he's here every
day. Gave us two pounds. Said, "Hey
guys, it's me again. I'm drunk today.
What's happening?" In his defense or
their defense, yeah, it is five hours
ahead of the East Coast. So, good on you
for
>> It's noon for me and I still supported
you when I thought it was noon wherever
you are. So, just FYI.
>> Whitney's like, "I bet you're in Hawaii
at 6:00 a.m. and have a great time."
>> Exactly. Have a great day.
Freeman gave us two bucks.
>> Whales.
>> Jordan,
what's it called again? Whale fall.
Can't wait to see it.
>> Whale fall. The whale is gonna fall.
Okay.
>> From where? Where is the whale? Where
does it fall to?
>> You have to see the film and find out.
Jordan Freeman gave us two bucks and
said, "What happens to the Crossover
Universe podcast?" We're still hoping to
do it. We just had to put it on pause
for a little bit, but got to get Heather
on the show ASAP. Monty Gave us two
bucks and said, "Chat solve this. Have
Luis from Ant-Man do the recap." I've
heard that before. That'd be fun.
>> That would be so fun.
>> West in the meantime, check out
Guardians of the Galaxy with [screaming]
>> That's a damn good podcast, honey.
>> Tommy B, MT, Whitney, you can't you
can't come on the show unless you rhyme.
I'm sorry. Just
>> you can't beat me. There [laughter] you
go.
>> Ricky works. So,
>> I'm there. You call me Mikey. Mikey. I
can
>> Mikey works.
>> There we go.
I'm done.
>> Yeah, Colton, you're [ __ ] You're
[ __ ] You're never
>> No, gave us $5 and said, "Going into
phase zero, since the first Avengers
Assemble, what does it feel like? Why
does it feel like Marvel's Nick Fury has
more up his sleeve for this saga like
the Young Avengers? I don't know if Nick
Fury is gonna I don't know. I'd love to
see Nick Fury come in. I've always
thought like I thought originally
Endgame would have like Nick Fury
walking through the portal and being
like, I told you, Mr. Stark,
>> you're part of a bigger universe. And
then they did it a different way, but
they might call back to that.
>> I I kind of wish they'd had Nick Fury in
the portal scene, the big battle at the
end of Endgame, like coming out of there
with a like two giant guns and just like
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, they had Sherry there with
little blasters, so I can't make Fury
>> Howard the duck was there.
>> Yeah.
>> Fury.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And armor that Tony made.
>> And I mean, she is a she's a hero in her
own respect. And then like while Tony's
dying, Nick Fury's in the background
scraping up DNA for Secret Invasion.
Like Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Makes that whole thing way grosser. That
Secret Invasion plot line that they
added to that.
>> So weird. Oh my god. That's who Dr. Doom
is.
>> Everybody loves Samuel L. But if they
reset, you think they want maybe like a
a younger, scrappier Nick Fury that is
like going on missions with them to like
>> who doesn't have it in their contract
that he doesn't have to run like Samuel
Jackson does.
>> Yeah. Can't believe
>> God that would be in my Tom Cruz. He has
to run.
>> I kind of feel like
>> he does have to do this guy. I want
>> He does. Yeah. And also get his ankle
broken. I I want everybody recast.
That's my answer to that. I want
everybody recast.
>> Everybody.
>> Everybody.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Eventually
recast. Right. When they're when an
actor's ready to step away from the
role, someone else can play. Actors are
very good at what they do.
>> Hear that?
>> Do you want them to do that? Do you want
them to kind of do it like like with
James Bond like where they just keep the
continuity going and they recast except
within the MCU it might be well here or
there new actor coming in because you
wouldn't do it all at once. There'd be
some
>> hire everyone in the MCU at once and
gas.
>> No, I think that I think too many people
would be very upset if like do that. But
even with James Bond, it's not even like
it's one continuity because like Pierce
Broman's M was Judy Dench, but then at
the end of Daniel Craig's, it goes from
Judy Dench to being the classic M from
the original. So like it always is like
>> was the same from Connory through I
think Broden's like first movie. Wasn't
Q the
>> Yeah. And then Yeah. And then it became
John Cle, right?
>> I want them to recast Steve Rogers.
>> I think
>> eventually. Well, eventually, of course,
but I think that Chris Evans still has a
lot of years in him to do some really
cool Captain America stuff. Like, I
don't want to go right back to,
>> you know, origins of Steve Rogers.
>> Yeah. I don't need another go do
something else. I kind of want to see,
you know what I'm disappointed in,
though? We're talking about the thing
earlier what we'd like to see in the new
universe. I just want to see Captain
America kill Nazis. I was always so
disappointed in First Avenger, that his
entire World War II experience was a
montage where he didn't kill a single
Nazi. That's what I wanted from that
film because that's the comics.
>> They need to do a movie with Captain
America, King Taka, and Wolverine
fighting Nazis in World War II. That and
>> Jones does a cameo because it's owned by
Disney by the And
>> Yes.
>> And then Indiana Jones turns into the
Red Hulk right in the middle of
>> because he's a variant, right? Yeah. H.
>> No, I mean that Marvel 1942 video game
is has been in development for a really
long time. Looks really good. Who knows
if it'll ever come out, but it's
supposed to be Captain America and King
Taka or even I think his dad. It's like
>> Tchala's grandfather uh in World War II.
And I like
>> I'm so down for that. I I think we
should get some period pieces. I want
more period pieces out of the MCU. If
there's all this like eons, millennia of
cosmic history and how it impacted the
earth and everything else, like give us
an older story.
>> Couldn't agree more.
>> You know how much money a Chris Evans,
Hugh Jackman, Captain America, and
Wolverine movie would make?
>> God, that would make so much [ __ ]
money it would be disgusting.
>> And have the balls to make it rated R.
Yeah. World War II rated R bloody war
movie. Not for nothing, they they could
also do a thing in that if the howling
commandos are all still active in it
because in when they first introduced
the Winter Soldier in the comics, Steve
does a little bit of retcon history.
He's talking, I think, to Sharon Carter.
And he's telling her like, look, one of
the reasons Bucky was with us, he wasn't
just like a teen sidekick. He was the
killer. Like, he was trained to go into
places and slip in under darkness and
murder people. It's just we didn't see
that in the happy golucky Captain
America comics, you know, where he was a
teen sidekick. So they can actually get
into that and maybe lay some groundwork
for why he made such a good Winter
Soldier because the movie still
addresses.
>> Yeah. And I still really hope even
though I'm like I want them to keep
Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. I don't
want that to hold them back from like
doing a Kieran Kulkin Tony Stark or who
like I like your idea of just you don't
have to recast everybody but you don't
have to keep everybody either. And I was
actually just working on a video before
we got on here talking about how Star
Wars needs to do the same thing. They
don't have to reset everything and
recast everybody, but it is time to
recast Han, Luke, and Leia. And I think
you can do the same thing in Marvel.
>> Yeah,
>> couldn't agree more. Uh, the Guild of
Calam the Guild of Calamitus intent,
which is one of my all-time favorite
YouTubers on here gave us 10 bucks
>> and said, "The guild just wanted to say
hi TO WHITNEY."
>> HI. OH MY GOSH, IT'S SO GOOD TO see you.
Hi. Hello. Hello. Thank you for joining
in.
>> And Phila from Down Under gave us eight
Australian dollars and said, "Just
supporting the channel. Love the show.
Love you back." Whitney, do you cover
the Venture Brothers? Have I asked you
this before on your
>> No, I actually don't. I don't cover the
Venture Brothers on Whitney Vision, but
I am in the middle of covering Rick and
Morty. So, everybody go watch those.
>> Links for that will be down below.
They're not right now because until the
last minute, we hadn't locked in the
guests, so like it still has a bunch of
different people listed below, but we'll
change that.
>> And then Mr. Sinister 585 gave us $5 and
said, "What should they tweak or add in
Endgame? What's crucial for a strong
connection to Doomsday?" Now, we've
talked about this before. I'm curious,
Whitney, Mike, I want to hear from you
guys. The Russo brothers did say they're
kind of going back and doing a little
George Lucasing to Endgame, adding in
some things that connect to the saga.
Um, the the thing that we like to bring
up is like the hammering sound as Dr.
Doom making his armor at the end of the
credits, but do you guys have any ideas
what could they add in to I don't know
if it's in the background if Dr. Doom is
like on an abacus in the background in
Asgard in those time travel scenes or
like
>> Dr. Doom cantina scene has to be.
>> No other answer.
Wait, Dr. Doom cantina scene.
>> Yeah, he's got to be the the CGI the CGI
guy doing the karaoke in the cantina
scene. That's what I want to see. If
they're if they're doing a George Lucas
reccon, give me the whole thing. Give me
the Give me the whole Fresh Lucas, baby.
I want that.
>> I think the only thing I would like them
doing in that way, like going back and
adding something digitally, is like the
watcher in the background of scenes or
something.
>> That would be cool as [ __ ]
being added in would be cool.
>> It doesn't interfere in any way. It's
not as if the characters could have
canonically like seen him or spotted him
or anything like that. It would I think
that would be neat like window dressing.
you know, a good place to put him. Um,
>> it might be too distracting from a
really cool moment, but when Steve faces
Thanos's army and he's by himself,
>> if you could put in a vague hint, you
don't want to detract from it because
the only other moment I can think of is
like when Doctor Strange holds up his
hand,
>> but even then, it's not a big sky shot
>> or when Tony dies because there's that
big sky behind Pepper kind of. You can
that'd be cool.
>> But then again, hold on. You know what
the most crucial moment in that movie is
though as far as the multiverse? It's
probably when Loki steals the tesser
act, right? Because that's the part that
he who remains wrote that caused the
whole multiverse [ __ ] to happen to
begin.
>> That was the only thing that happened
that wasn't supposed to happen. Well,
apart from
>> Yeah, watch. I think what they're I
think what they're including in Doomsday
is going to be something to do with what
happens with Steve between the time
platform and getting on the
>> I think so.
>> Well, because that's got to be the most
important thing there. We know Chris
Evans is coming back. It's going to be
the version of him in the past that's
coming in through Doomsday. So, I think
they're going to show they're they're
probably gonna add in a scene after he
gets on the time platform or like maybe
even because the movie ends the final
shot of Endgame is him dancing with
Peggy. So, you could just have the movie
keep going after that and do like a like
show their life together and all that
>> like Back to the Future 2.
>> Yeah. I [laughter]
>> right after the first movie.
>> I see a lot of people who just like to
get pissy about things say, "Oh, this
movie's
pun intended doomed." because they're
having to re-release the other movie and
put in stuff to make this one makes No,
they don't have to. They're doing it for
it's they're doing it one to make more
money off the movie. Maybe get it over
that three billion line. There's nothing
that they're putting into this in-game
re-release, the Doom edition, Doomsday
Edition, that's going to be like
required viewing.
>> Yeah.
>> It's just to make money. Yeah,
>> they got to dry all this Infinity Vision
equipment that they've been sending out.
They got to make sure that all the
Infinity Vision stuff works,
>> which is definitely a real thing.
>> Free marketing for Doomsday. It's just
part of their marketing for Doomsday. I
think I don't think it's, oh, we got to
holy [ __ ] we got to get re-release
Endgame with this new scene or
everybody's going to be lost.
>> It could also just be as easy as showing
Loki on the throne during a mid-redit
scene. Like, it could because the movie
has no mid or postredit. So, it could
just be that they're doing that, putting
the Watcher in the final battle. And,
you know, maybe
>> All right, we got a mid-redit scene,
Loki on the throne. We got a postredit
scene. It's the scene from Iron Man one
of Tony Stark in the cave, but
>> instead of the guy from the conference
in Burn, it is Wong or somebody else
that is teaching him the mystical arts
and then he
>> or Loki at funeral
>> or Kristoff. Yeah, Loki at Tony's
funeral. That'd be kind of weird. All
right, guys. I got one more super chat,
then we got to wrap it up. We got uh
Alex Con gave us, "If only one R-rated
movie is made, which character,
>> and I'm going to codify that and say not
somebody we've already seen." So, Dead
Wolverine's already had his and Deadpool
have had theirs. So, somebody new only
one person gets it.
>> Blade. Fantastic.
>> I want my World War II
Captain America movie. your ultra bloody
Yeah. murder Nazis.
>> And I want Captain America to say the f
word.
>> If it's The Punisher, uh, if he's in a
movie, I he has to be rated R. Yeah,
there's no way I think One Last Kill
proves that. Um,
>> that's what I'm like saying about like
going to see the new Spider-Man movie is
I'm like, I watched One Last Kill and
I'm like, how is that guy not going to
just be like, "Fuck this, [ __ ] that,
[ __ ] that." you know, like the whole
Spider-Man, like I just saw him do in
this other movie. I'm very excited. I'm
so excited for Spider-Man.
>> Yeah, me too. And I definitely And
speaking of Spider-Man, I don't think
we're going to get to that before we
have to sign off for today. I will say
the trailer leak I've heard includes
pink energy being thrown around, which
is what Gan uses in the comics and an
X-Men animated series. And it definitely
seems like they're confirming Sadi Sync.
Do you guys think there's any chance she
does not play Gan Gray in this movie?
>> Nah,
>> I hope she doesn't.
I don't think she's
>> I don't Yeah, I hope she's shot there,
too. I don't think she's the bad guy. I
think that's all bait and switch. I
think I think she's being used.
>> Yeah, I think her powers are being used
maybe by Miles Warren Jackal. Yeah,
>> I agree. I would be shocked if she was
actually a villain. I think she's
definitely being used, but it then it
throws in this whole thing where she's
perceived as the villain and then the
leads to the public fearing and hating
mutants, which again goes back to phase
zero and the idea that at the next saga
we're going to be talking about the
mutants and things like that. So, that
brings everything full circle. I'm going
to have to let you guys go there.
Whitney, find her on Whitney Vision. Um,
and then yeah, links are down below.
Thank you, Whitney.
>> Thank you.
>> And then Mike, you can find him on Mike
Mdyd on Instagram.
comedy shows running.
>> All my whale watchers out there, get
ready for whale fall. It's coming in
October. It's going to fall and it's
going to fall hard. Whale fall. Get your
tickets now before they're gone.
>> And of course, Mike
>> Mike gets a commission on all those.
Thanks, Mike. And then Darien Thompson
gave us $2 at the last minute. Uh they
are only adding Doom watching at the
end. Yeah, he might be just watching
through a window and setting that up.
That would also be cool.
>> Yeah, that' be cool.
>> Colton, we're gonna let you go. Thanks
so much. You can catch Colton on his own
channel or here on Screen Crush. all the
darn time. Um, links for those are
below. Thanks, buddy.
>> Bye.
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