[0:04] Let's rewind. Rewind.
[0:10] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm
[0:11] your host, Ryan Ary. And today,
[0:13] unfortunately, we are not talking about
[0:15] a Dr. Doom pop-up coffee shop. We are
[0:17] finally getting to sit down and talk to
[0:18] you guys about Spider Noir. So, fair
[0:20] warning, spoilers for Spider Noir season
[0:23] 1 are ahead. Now, not only are we going
[0:26] to talk about this season of Spider
[0:27] Noir, but we're going to talk about some
[0:30] of the news about Spider Noir, about how
[0:31] this show cost, wait for it, almost half
[0:35] a billion dollars to create. I like the
[0:39] show, but I don't like the show a half a
[0:42] billion times. That's crazy. We're also
[0:46] going to talk about whether or not
[0:48] Spider Noir represents a resurrection of
[0:50] the Sony verse. If you watched our
[0:52] review video that went up last week,
[0:53] then you know that I really like the
[0:55] show. And in my opinion, it's it shows
[0:57] us not only how the Sony verse could
[0:59] have been done right, but also how the
[1:01] Multiverse saga could have been done
[1:03] right. We're going to talk about all of
[1:04] that and more. But first, we're going to
[1:05] start with our opinions on the actual
[1:07] show. And I have a couple of guests to
[1:08] bring on here with me, the old regulars.
[1:10] You know, these guys, old reliable
[1:12] himself, Mr. Alex Zin from the Comic
[1:14] Book Club podcast. How are you, Alex?
[1:16] >> I'm great, Ryan. I I wrote a song for
[1:18] Spider Noir. Would you like me to sing
[1:20] it to you?
[1:22] >> That depends. Can you sing?
[1:24] >> I mean, you decide, I guess, but
[1:26] >> All right. Well, let's
[1:28] >> Noir, Spider Noir. You can find him in a
[1:31] bar. I like the scene where he's on a
[1:33] car. Look out. See, here comes Spider
[1:36] Noir.
[1:37] >> What do you think?
[1:38] >> I like it. Especially the part about the
[1:39] bar. That was my favorite. That was
[1:42] >> I'm good at rhymes. What can I say? I
[1:43] was born gifted.
[1:44] >> I'm really happy.
[1:45] >> I'm very happy I get to be your friend.
[1:47] That's That's kind of just where I left
[1:49] off on this. I'm very pleased that that
[1:52] we have a friendship.
[1:53] >> Me too, bro.
[1:55] >> Okay,
[1:55] >> just a second. I got to fix an audio
[1:57] thing on my side because you're coming
[1:58] in real low. And next up, you know him
[2:01] as the guy who's always on break. I have
[2:02] not talked to him yet about this show
[2:04] and I'm looking forward to it so much,
[2:05] Mr. Tommy Beck told. What is going on,
[2:07] my friend?
[2:08] >> Janet, listen. It's called Casual Friday
[2:11] and for me that means top and bottom is
[2:13] casual and I won't take any notes. Ryan,
[2:15] how are you? I also wrote a song for
[2:17] Spider Noir. It's to the theme of uh
[2:19] Closer by 9in Nails. I want to web you
[2:23] like a spider noir.
[2:25] >> That's it. That's the whole song.
[2:27] >> I wondered how much you guys planned
[2:28] this ahead of time. That was excellent.
[2:30] That was
[2:30] >> We've been working on it all week.
[2:32] >> Yeah.
[2:36] >> I just did Johnny Cash's cover of a 9 in
[2:39] song. Yeah. Sorry, Tom. I stepped all
[2:41] over your joke. Stepped on it. stepped
[2:44] on it like it was a cigarette on the
[2:45] street in the show Spider Noir. So, um,
[2:47] we're gonna I want to first just let me
[2:49] know what you guys think about this
[2:50] show. Alex, you go first. What were your
[2:52] thoughts on the series? And again,
[2:53] spoilers spoilers abound.
[2:55] >> Sure. I liked it a lot more than I
[2:57] thought I would going into it. I was
[3:00] worried it was going to be a little bit
[3:01] of a disaster. And it kind of is, but in
[3:03] a pleasant way where it starts as a very
[3:08] much straightforward film noir pastiche
[3:10] and you can feel over the course of the
[3:11] eight episodes just Nicholas Cage
[3:14] pushing into it more and more and more
[3:17] where I don't know like he takes control
[3:19] of the thing and I that's fun like I
[3:21] like Nicholas Cage. I think he is a wild
[3:24] man and when you let him be a wild man
[3:25] that's enjoyable. And it just got
[3:28] goofier and funnier and weirder over the
[3:30] course of the eight episodes. And
[3:32] honestly, I would I would rather watch
[3:33] that. Like I'd rather watch that than
[3:35] like we're doing another straightforward
[3:38] across the board. This is a superhero
[3:40] movie. The entire world is at stake and
[3:42] then we split it into eight episodes.
[3:44] Instead, go weird. Give us the horror
[3:46] universal horror episode and lead into
[3:48] it.
[3:49] >> That's more fun. I had a good time.
[3:50] >> That horror episode was my favorite of
[3:53] the of the season. I loved it. uh just
[3:55] the way they played with reality. I was
[3:56] like, man, if D if they did get David
[3:58] Lynch, RIP to do a superhero, to do a
[4:01] cape, this would be it. Tommy, what do
[4:03] you think?
[4:04] >> Yeah. Uh similarly, I I think that as
[4:07] the show got more Nick Ky, it got more
[4:10] enjoyable for me. I This was a show that
[4:12] I had almost no expectations for to be
[4:14] perfectly honest with you. I was stunned
[4:18] that it went from being announced to
[4:20] actually being made to being released.
[4:22] But as I think we'll probably talk about
[4:23] later, I do feel like if this movie was
[4:26] or this show was being produced and
[4:28] financed by any other company other than
[4:30] Amazon, it would have died on the vine
[4:32] because Amazon we was we're about to see
[4:34] this weekend with Masters of the
[4:35] Universe is willing to throw ungodly
[4:37] amounts of money at at things to make
[4:39] them to get them across the finish line.
[4:42] But
[4:43] I like the show very very much. I
[4:45] thought it was really fun. I thought the
[4:47] casting was like pretty pitch perfect. I
[4:49] mean, it's difficult to p cast a show in
[4:52] 2026 or when they cast it in 2024
[4:55] with actors trying to act as though
[4:57] they're in a thing being produced in the
[4:59] 40s, right? It's like they they asked to
[5:02] get some pretty outrageous performances
[5:04] and I thought some landed more than
[5:06] others, but I thought overall,
[5:08] especially in the core casting,
[5:10] everybody was really terrific in it.
[5:12] >> I mean, they they made such strong
[5:14] choices. the guy who played Megawatt,
[5:16] like what he did with his voice and
[5:19] yeah, you know, he did the whole growl
[5:21] thing and everybody speaks in a
[5:22] transatlantic accent, you know,
[5:25] >> that wasn't a transatlantic accent, but
[5:26] everybody else did, except for the
[5:28] people who were putting on tough guy New
[5:29] York accents,
[5:31] the people who talk like this, by the
[5:32] way, in case you're watching and you
[5:33] don't know, sorry, Tom and
[5:35] >> No, no, I was just say and that detail
[5:36] being that you know that that he's an
[5:39] aspiring actor, so the transatlantic act
[5:41] accent would be very important to him, I
[5:43] thought was interesting. like it's like,
[5:45] "Oh, he's he's also performing as
[5:48] Megawatt, right?" Like it's like he's
[5:50] doing he's doing a performance. But
[5:52] yeah, I thought I thought that was
[5:54] really fun. I um so I'll give you a
[5:57] little inside baseball. When this show
[5:58] came out, I actually auditioned for it
[6:00] twice. I did not audition for Megawatt,
[6:01] but I auditioned for one of the henchmen
[6:04] that doesn't get uh doesn't get knocked
[6:06] off early on in the season, and I
[6:08] auditioned, I believe, to be a bartender
[6:10] in it. And I did not go as deep into the
[6:14] noir style. It I mean I figured out what
[6:16] the show was even though it was under a
[6:18] coded name and all the names were
[6:19] changed and there was no mention of any
[6:21] spider entities in it. But I did not
[6:23] realize how heavily they were going to
[6:25] lean into everyone else's performances
[6:27] being you know this is a show that this
[6:30] could have been released 70 80 years
[6:33] ago. So,
[6:34] >> well, I you know, if you're going for a
[6:36] bartender, I guess the bartender from
[6:38] like It's a Wonderful Life would have
[6:39] been the way to go.
[6:40] >> All right, you two pixies out the door,
[6:43] out the window. It's up to you like
[6:45] that.
[6:45] >> But, I mean, to that point, you don't
[6:47] expect that, right? Like, you expect
[6:48] them to be like, "Yeah, we're going to
[6:49] kind of make it look like film noir, but
[6:51] it's a show that we filmed right now."
[6:53] But they they go for it.
[6:55] >> Well, you know, I think Yeah. Sorry. I
[6:58] think an example that I think of is like
[7:00] that didn't always do this was Boardwalk
[7:02] Empire. Like Boardwalk Empire had people
[7:04] that were straight up performing like it
[7:05] was 2014 sometimes. Like there were
[7:07] there were some characters the guy who
[7:09] played Al Capone who's a great English
[7:10] actor leaned very heavily into the like
[7:13] gangster. See, hey, come on. We're doing
[7:14] all this. But it's like but uh you know
[7:16] there were other characters who played
[7:18] kind of just the people in that world
[7:20] that didn't really do put any
[7:21] affectation on it. Whereas I feel like
[7:24] most
[7:24] >> Yes. Right.
[7:25] >> He he was kind of timeless in that
[7:27] performance. Well, there's the whole
[7:28] internet thing of saying that actors in
[7:31] period paces look like they have a face
[7:33] that's seen an iPhone. And I think they
[7:35] very specifically cast people in the
[7:37] show who do not. They look like heavies.
[7:39] Like there's one of the guys who does
[7:42] not die as what's his name? Scott
[7:43] MacArthur, I think it is, who's a great
[7:45] comedic actor. He's uh I think he was in
[7:48] the other two. He was also in he's in
[7:50] Running Point on Netflix right now.
[7:51] >> Oh, I love that guy. Yes.
[7:53] >> Yeah. He's really funny. He does nothing
[7:55] in the show. Like to the point where I
[7:58] was like, why why is he here? But part
[8:00] of the reason he's there is he looks
[8:01] right. He looks period appropriated and
[8:03] he channels it.
[8:04] >> Well, and part it's interesting you
[8:06] bring up Boardwalk Empire because Jack
[8:07] Houston uh who played what was his name?
[8:10] Richard. Richard Harrow on Boardwalk
[8:12] Empire is Sandman. He's I mean he's
[8:14] older. He's gained a little bit of
[8:15] weight because he was like so gaunt in
[8:17] that show.
[8:18] >> Um and then both performances, you know,
[8:20] he just has that face. He's got that
[8:22] mustache that just makes you think like,
[8:23] "Yeah, this guy belongs in a poster from
[8:25] a movie in the 1930s." Beyond that
[8:28] though, beyond um like our thoughts on
[8:30] the casting as far as this being like
[8:33] because it is it's it's a Sony verse
[8:35] spin-off, right? These are like Madame
[8:37] Web. This is like Craven the Hunter and
[8:40] all these things that we've hated and
[8:42] made fun of. I don't know how they could
[8:43] screw up Venom Horse, but they somehow
[8:45] did it. So, this is a Sony verse
[8:48] project, right? Um, I'm curious if you
[8:51] guys think that the Sony verse will
[8:53] continue. And before you keep go, before
[8:54] you answer, I do have this clip from uh
[8:57] Sony, I think he's the CEO now, Tom
[8:59] Rothman, talking about the Sony verse.
[9:02] >> Where are we in the Spider-Man
[9:04] franchise? Not at the animated
[9:06] Spider-Verse. Is the larger Spider-Verse
[9:08] dead? Are you gonna go back to those at
[9:10] some point?
[9:11] >> Yes,
[9:11] >> you will. But it'll be a it'll be a
[9:13] fresh reboot.
[9:15] >> Yes.
[9:15] >> New people. Okay.
[9:16] >> Yes.
[9:17] >> So, there you go. Um,
[9:20] that to me says, yeah, they still think
[9:22] this is IP that they can milk and
[9:24] they're looking for ways to do it. I
[9:26] kind of think this is the way to do it.
[9:28] Do you think this is part of the plan?
[9:29] Do you think we're going to get like a
[9:31] like a Penny Parker um anime movie? Do
[9:34] you think how far do you think they're
[9:35] going to take this? I
[9:37] >> I think the thing that they've always
[9:39] needed to do that maybe they're finally
[9:41] realizing after several decades is they
[9:43] just need to not get over their skis on
[9:45] any of this stuff. Like every time
[9:46] Spider-Man is successful, they say,
[9:48] "Great news. We're going to make 16
[9:50] other movies that don't have Spider-Man
[9:52] in it." And they finally did that and it
[9:54] did not work. So, taking a step back and
[9:57] particularly turning to Phil Lord and
[9:59] Chris Miller who have done so well with
[10:01] the Spider-Verse movies and are just two
[10:03] of the most reliable guys in
[10:04] entertainment, you know, kurfuffle with
[10:06] Star Wars aside, I think having them be
[10:10] behind the scenes and give them the time
[10:12] to do what they needed to do with Spider
[10:14] Noir. I don't want to give them full
[10:15] credit, but certainly has to give them
[10:17] some credit there. And if they continue
[10:19] to allow them to be shepherds, perhaps
[10:22] take that approach, not do the thing
[10:24] that not to call out any specific names,
[10:26] but like that AB Pascal has done before
[10:28] where they go on a red carpet and
[10:29] they're like, "We're going to do a
[10:30] scorpion movie. He's a real scorpion
[10:33] now. He's a large scorpion." That's the
[10:35] idea of the movie. They're like, "What?
[10:36] Why are you doing this?"
[10:37] >> Remember when the rhino became a rhino
[10:39] in the movie Craven?
[10:41] >> Remember that?
[10:41] >> One of the best parts of that movie,
[10:42] honestly. I was just going to say I I
[10:45] hate to say it, that was the part of
[10:46] that movie that I do remember. Like I
[10:49] like that guy. He played that he played
[10:51] the Rhino so unhinged in them. Like he
[10:53] was
[10:53] >> So far they're two for two for with
[10:55] Rhinos between him and Paul Giamati who
[10:58] >> I mean Paul Giamonti was more comic
[11:00] accurate. He definitely has that. My
[11:03] favorite part of the Rhino fight though
[11:04] is having it be referenced in No Way
[11:06] Home as I fought a man. How did he say
[11:08] it? I fought a man. not in a rhino suit
[11:10] or a rhino costume, but he had a
[11:12] particular wording for it. No, I I
[11:14] fought a man in a in a rhino costume
[11:17] >> and that was a nice call back to that.
[11:19] >> Yes.
[11:19] >> Um,
[11:20] >> are there what other aspects? So, you
[11:22] mentioned Phil Lord and Chris Miller.
[11:23] So, obviously just getting great
[11:24] creatives with a great track record and
[11:26] then letting them do their thing. And I
[11:28] think you're right, the Sony verse has
[11:29] always had this thing where, okay, well,
[11:31] let's put a bunch of people in Amazing
[11:33] Spider-Man 2 and tease this Drew Goddard
[11:35] Sinister 6 movie, which didn't need to
[11:38] happen. They could have just, you know,
[11:39] Drew Godard's a genius. They could just
[11:40] let him make a Sinister 6 movie and not
[11:42] necessarily include tie-ins that bog
[11:44] down their current projects. Um, do you
[11:47] think, you know, Tommy, do you think
[11:48] there's going to be any kind of other
[11:50] things like this? Maybe spin-off of the
[11:52] Spider-Verse films or just micro
[11:55] focusing like or what would you like to
[11:57] see might be a better example? Yeah, I I
[11:59] think I think that what this show did is
[12:01] what I would like to see in the sense
[12:03] that it it the the movies in the
[12:08] Spider-Verse, not not the not the
[12:10] animated, but like the live action Sony
[12:11] was they feel desperate to tie in to to
[12:15] the Marvel Sony co-productions if they
[12:17] can. rarely allowed to reference Marvel,
[12:19] but like they feel and you see in Madame
[12:22] Web when obviously they re-shoot and
[12:23] rewrite and start taking stripping
[12:25] things away, there's a vacuum left in
[12:28] there of like this should be tying in
[12:29] and our minds now conditioned as you
[12:32] know comic book movie lovers are like
[12:34] looking for those tie-ins. I felt no
[12:37] pressure to do that during Spider Noir.
[12:39] I felt like I could just enjoy the fact
[12:41] that they have this like five decade
[12:43] long career movie star carrying like
[12:46] doing TV and he's done so much good
[12:48] press explaining why he wanted to do TV
[12:51] and how he evolved into that opinion as
[12:54] a you know person who always looked down
[12:56] upon TV and then he watched Breaking Bad
[12:58] during COVID because his son told him
[13:00] you have to watch this show and he fell
[13:02] in love with Brian Cranston's
[13:03] performance and he became envious of
[13:05] Brian Cranston having the time to take a
[13:08] season to explain and to perform the
[13:10] character and wanting to then do that
[13:12] and then the thing that he does is
[13:14] Spider-Man like it's like it's like he
[13:17] doesn't go to Vince uh Vince Gilligan or
[13:20] he doesn't go to like you know David
[13:21] Chase or somebody like that and it's
[13:22] like write me the most intense drama
[13:25] character. He's like no I'm going to do
[13:27] this fun animated I'm going to do a live
[13:28] action version of this fun animated
[13:30] character that I probably spent three
[13:31] hours in a recording studio doing and I
[13:34] and that was it. Yes, the budget is
[13:36] astronomical on the show. So, what I'm
[13:38] about to say doesn't make sense. We'll
[13:39] get to that in a second. Simple. Like,
[13:40] it was like it didn't require me to do
[13:43] anything else but just enjoy what I was
[13:45] watching. And I feel like get the
[13:47] people's get some cache with your
[13:50] viewers and your fans by making a couple
[13:52] of these that are really good. They
[13:54] don't have to give you like
[13:56] >> this is Peter Parker's gonna swing into
[13:58] this in season three. You know what I
[14:00] mean? Like, I don't need that. I just
[14:02] love this stuff and this show allowed me
[14:04] to just love it, you know?
[14:06] >> You know, Nicholas Cage though, he did
[14:07] this because he's one of us. Like he's a
[14:09] comic book fan. I think he still goes to
[14:11] the shop on Wednesdays or in my hometown
[14:13] Thursdays because we were a day away
[14:14] from every, you know, like one day later
[14:15] than everybody else. Um, the one thing I
[14:18] think about this show really has going
[14:19] for it is the no connections. I think
[14:22] you know the MCU I remember there was a
[14:25] when screen crusher really took off we
[14:26] were doing Wanda division explaining all
[14:28] this stuff then there was a meme that
[14:29] went around the internet that was like
[14:32] showing how um if the Lord of the Rings
[14:34] was made today and it had like all these
[14:36] fake movies you know like about like um
[14:39] the the tale of Bard from from Lake Town
[14:41] is his own movie and Gollum's movie and
[14:43] ironically they're making a Gollum movie
[14:45] now and that's when I first got the
[14:46] inkling that like on the popular level
[14:49] on the voxuli
[14:50] people were starting starting to get
[14:52] franchise fatigue and feel like they had
[14:54] homework because there was never that
[14:56] Avengers movie or that payoff. Whereas
[14:58] the Fast and Furious franchise,
[15:00] >> it's just one franchise. I mean, it's
[15:01] they got the Hobs and Shell spin-off,
[15:02] but it's just that. I think you make a
[15:05] good point and and I also think that
[15:06] when just real quickly when when you
[15:09] when you insist upon tie-ins and when
[15:12] you like, you know, you set up all these
[15:13] tie-ins, you run the risk of getting
[15:15] kind of an unfair criticism of your film
[15:17] if those tie-ins don't work, you know,
[15:19] or if they're if they're underwhelming,
[15:21] all of a sudden that becomes a criticism
[15:24] of a movie that doesn't really have
[15:25] anything to do with the actual movie
[15:26] itself. It's like, I didn't think that
[15:28] the way they set this up was good
[15:30] enough. And it's like, well, what did
[15:31] you think about the story that was told
[15:32] in the two hours that you were in the
[15:34] theater? But it's valid criticism
[15:35] because they put it out to the general
[15:37] public. So, you know, when you relieve
[15:39] yourself of that pressure, you also
[15:41] can't underwhelm anyone with it. You
[15:43] know what I mean? Like when there's no
[15:45] promise of it, there's no chance of
[15:46] people being like, "Yeah, it was good,
[15:48] but the way they tried to tie it into
[15:49] like, you know, you know, whatever, like
[15:52] Gwenpool didn't work for me."
[15:54] >> Right. Well, yeah. One of the smartest
[15:56] things I think they did which was a
[15:58] little janky but I they had to do it was
[16:00] that narration right at the top of the
[16:02] first episode where he says somebody
[16:04] want to ask me what universe this was
[16:06] >> and I kept waiting for them to come back
[16:08] to that waiting for like Miguel Hara to
[16:11] approach him in the postredit scene.
[16:13] They didn't do any of that and that's
[16:15] great. No, I was relieved because then
[16:19] the conversation about it becomes how
[16:21] does this set up beyond the
[16:22] Spider-Verse, not about the show itself,
[16:24] which told the beginning, to Tomby's
[16:26] point, beginning, middle, and end of a
[16:28] story all in of itself.
[16:31] >> It would have been pretty bad if uh
[16:32] we'll get to season two in a second, but
[16:34] it would have been pretty bad if they
[16:35] would have forced in another character
[16:37] or like if Felicia Hardy would have
[16:38] been, I don't know, bitten by a magical
[16:41] cat and gotten the black cat powers at
[16:43] some point during this. it just wouldn't
[16:45] have worked. Um, I think the right way
[16:47] to do these connections I, you know,
[16:48] we're working on a Captain America:
[16:50] Civil War breakdown now. That movie does
[16:51] it perfectly because it takes the
[16:53] characters of Spider-Man and Black
[16:54] Panther and it makes them important to
[16:55] the story they're telling
[16:57] >> instead of I Amazing Spider-Man 2 is
[16:59] probably the worst ever because it's
[17:01] literally just like walking down a
[17:02] hallway or shoehorning in the Green
[17:05] Goblin when really the movie didn't need
[17:07] him, you know, and was a big
[17:08] distraction. Do you guys based on this?
[17:11] So, let's assume that the next thing is
[17:14] this good, right, where they commit to
[17:15] the genre and everything this much. Do
[17:18] you have a Sony verse spin-off apart
[17:20] from Craven 2, which we all want, that
[17:22] you would really like for them to to
[17:24] make based on like spider stories? In
[17:26] fact, the other day, um, Alex, you
[17:28] mentioned a an R-rated a mature only
[17:31] Spider-Man movie that sounds terrible
[17:33] terms terrible to me that I would never
[17:36] want to see. Is there something you guys
[17:38] want to see, though? Well, this is
[17:39] actually going backwards, but the
[17:41] project they didn't end up doing, Silk,
[17:43] which was going to be show run by Angela
[17:45] Kang of Walking Dead. I was very
[17:47] interested in that. I used to cover
[17:49] Walking Dead a ton. Talked to Angela
[17:51] Kang a lot. She's a very smart writer,
[17:53] very thoughtful, and really took that
[17:56] show from a janky couple of seasons to
[17:58] give it a pretty satisfying ending at
[18:00] the end of the day. So, I was excited to
[18:02] see what she was going to do with Silk.
[18:03] And when they canled that, I was a
[18:05] little bummed. For people that don't
[18:07] know, I don't know what they were going
[18:08] to do in the show, but the basic thing
[18:09] about Sulk was she was also bit by the
[18:11] spider that bit Peter Parker and was
[18:14] then locked in a bunker by her parents
[18:16] for decades. So, she didn't experience
[18:19] the outside world. Um, and that's why
[18:21] you didn't know that she existed before
[18:22] then, but she has the same uh powers.
[18:25] There's I think some agorophobia going
[18:27] on there if I remember correctly. Um,
[18:29] and I don't know. I It would have been
[18:31] interesting to see that. Maybe they went
[18:32] for the nic not maybe they went for the
[18:34] Nicholas Cage thing instead because they
[18:36] could sell a movie star in there versus
[18:38] potentially whoever was going to do
[18:40] Silk. But
[18:41] >> I don't know, maybe if Spider Noir is
[18:43] successful, they can go back uh and
[18:45] reassess that because I think it was an
[18:47] interesting project.
[18:48] >> Silk had a bit of a controversial thing
[18:50] too. Dan Slott, who created the
[18:51] character years later, said um he
[18:53] regretted there's one thing about Silk
[18:56] where she and Peter are always horny for
[18:57] each other because they were bitten by
[18:59] the same spider. He said he regretted
[19:00] that because it played into Asian
[19:02] stereotypes, which I was not even aware
[19:04] of those stereotypes until Dan Slott
[19:06] apologized for them.
[19:07] >> Um but still, I presume if Spider-man
[19:10] wouldn't even have been in it, so that
[19:11] wouldn't have been a thing in the
[19:13] series. But interesting. Tommy, were you
[19:14] going to chime in?
[19:15] >> Well, yeah. I just think like on a fun
[19:17] side, I would love if they did an
[19:19] animated Spiderham series. Like if they
[19:21] just did a
[19:21] >> Oh, that would be great.
[19:22] >> 20 minute episodes of Spiderham's World.
[19:26] Like I think I think that that also is
[19:28] something they could do relatively easil
[19:30] like not I mean it's tough to do
[19:32] animation, but it's like that's not a
[19:33] huge ambitious project that could be
[19:36] done really well. give us like, you
[19:38] know, 10 episodes of an animated
[19:39] Spiderham series and get more Goodwill
[19:42] and then and then maybe, you know, try
[19:44] something more ambitious a couple years
[19:45] down the line.
[19:47] >> I would like to see a Spiderham series
[19:49] done in the style and animation quality
[19:53] of a Saturday morning cartoon.
[19:55] >> Oh, yeah.
[19:55] >> Maybe maybe because I've been watching a
[19:57] lot of He-Man stuff lately for the video
[19:59] we put out today. Um, but that to me, if
[20:02] you go back to that, because there were
[20:04] some great, like Beetlejuice was a great
[20:06] Saturday morning cartoon and it was a
[20:07] lot of fun and kind of manicaniacs, you
[20:09] know, I think there are creatives out
[20:10] there who you could hand that to and
[20:12] that would be fantastic. But I think
[20:14] what they run into with streaming is
[20:16] >> they'll do the absolute minimum number
[20:19] of episodes that they can get away with
[20:21] and call it a season of television so
[20:22] they can keep cost down,
[20:24] >> right?
[20:24] >> Because they want you to subscribe to
[20:25] see that show and they don't care if you
[20:27] keep watching after that. But the
[20:29] Spiderham would be great. I in terms of
[20:31] live action, maybe this is just me
[20:32] thinking, okay, well, period dramas,
[20:34] what else can we do?
[20:36] I I love the idea if they were ever
[20:39] going to do a Silver Sable story. Silver
[20:41] Sable's one of the few characters they
[20:42] were talking about doing a spin-off with
[20:44] where I was like, that kind of makes
[20:45] sense because she's, you know, got this
[20:48] international espionage thing. She's
[20:50] tied to her home country. She is a
[20:52] character who you feel like was on her
[20:55] own journey and then she her journey
[20:58] wandered into Spider-Man whereas
[20:59] everybody else tends to just revolve
[21:01] around Spider-Man. So I thought maybe
[21:02] something set in the 1960s do some cold
[21:05] war espionage. That would be really fun.
[21:08] Catch me if you can but in a spiderish
[21:10] universe. Something to do with
[21:12] Spider-Man. I think
[21:12] >> can I throw two more quick ideas onto
[21:15] the pile while we're doing
[21:17] >> one? I think it would be fun to have a
[21:18] Daily Bugle show.
[21:20] >> Yes. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
[21:22] >> OH MAN.
[21:23] >> Uh just from their perspective, it's a
[21:26] lot like Yeah, it's kind of like a lot
[21:28] like Gotham Central, the comic book,
[21:30] where the cops were like, "God damn it,
[21:31] that Batman, I hate that." And that book
[21:33] was great. They took a lot of that and
[21:35] used that for Gotham and then kind of
[21:38] threw it.
[21:38] >> I thought that's all Gotham should have
[21:39] been, but that's a different rant. Yeah.
[21:42] >> Um but that would be super fun. The
[21:44] other one, which 100% never happened,
[21:46] uh, for reasons that will become
[21:48] abundantly obvious when I say this out
[21:49] loud, but I legitimately think a great
[21:51] live action show would be Madame Webb.
[21:54] >> The setup that you have at the end
[21:55] there, it's Charlie's Angels, right?
[21:58] Like Madame Webb sends them out on
[22:00] missions every single week, those three
[22:02] Spider Girls.
[22:03] >> That would be super fun.
[22:04] >> And and they are also at this point big
[22:07] stars. I mean, how hilarious is it that
[22:10] Sydney Sweeney did a superhero movie and
[22:12] that's
[22:13] >> that's the one it was. That's absolutely
[22:15] crazy to me. Or I cannot remember the
[22:18] other actor's name, but she's also very
[22:19] great.
[22:20] >> Um,
[22:21] >> all right. Let me ask you guys, let's
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[24:09] will. So, let's talk about the budget
[24:11] for this thing, guys. $400
[24:14] million.
[24:16] That's crazy. Some outlets are saying
[24:18] that number is exaggerated. But here's
[24:20] where this news comes from. Okay. A
[24:23] stunt member who worked on Spider-Man
[24:24] Noir claimed that they shot on a true
[24:26] noir set with most of the buildings
[24:28] painted green, brown, and pink to
[24:30] contrast better in black and white. The
[24:32] color pass was originally not planned
[24:33] and required a year of re-shoots and new
[24:35] sets to be built. We do have a still for
[24:38] this I was supposed to put up the whole
[24:39] time. Another crew member named Arsenio
[24:42] J. Alvarez, badass name by the way, uh,
[24:45] specifically said it was Amazon who
[24:47] wanted the color pass and not Sony
[24:49] because they produced it together. So,
[24:50] because of this, the rumored budget for
[24:51] the first season was $400 million,
[24:53] although some outlets are saying that
[24:55] number is exaggerated. Holy crap. Can
[24:58] you imagine that? How in the hell did
[25:00] they start off in black and white and
[25:02] then the studio noticed?
[25:04] It's fascinating to me because my
[25:06] understanding without knowing the
[25:07] technology was that True Hue, which is
[25:10] what they referred to the the color
[25:11] version as, was just they went in and
[25:14] digitally colored the black and white
[25:15] film. And I guess I didn't realize that
[25:17] they had re they had shot everything
[25:19] twice.
[25:20] >> Well, they didn't exactly. There's so
[25:22] many weird conflicting reports about
[25:24] this, including this uh threads post
[25:26] that we put up here. It's very confusing
[25:28] because I had heard Nicholas Cage said
[25:30] in interviews that the color was because
[25:32] of him. That he specifically felt like
[25:34] teens he said didn't want to watch black
[25:36] and white so he wanted to make sure
[25:38] there was a color version. There was a
[25:40] story I want to say it was in Esquire
[25:43] before the show came out where they
[25:44] talked about that they basically used
[25:46] this tech where they shot it with two
[25:48] plates in the same camera. So they did
[25:51] shoot black and white but were able to
[25:55] get it in color digitally as well at the
[25:58] same time. And then what they did was
[26:00] kind of turn it up a little bit. And so
[26:01] that's why I was surprised to see this
[26:03] threads post because the way that I
[26:04] understood it is like they lit
[26:06] everything for black and white. They
[26:08] shot it for black and white, but because
[26:10] they knew it was going to be in color,
[26:11] when you do watch it in color, you see
[26:13] it's not it's not the pinks and greens
[26:16] and all the things that you do for
[26:17] faking for black and white. it is coats
[26:19] that pop and backgrounds that pop and
[26:21] things like that. So, so I'm I'm not
[26:24] sure exactly what is the truth here,
[26:27] >> right? Probably somewhere something in
[26:29] the middle. But I will say, like I said
[26:31] at the beginning of this video, you
[26:32] know, we have Amazon co-producing
[26:34] Masters of the Universe this weekend as
[26:36] well. And by all accounts, I think the
[26:38] budget, they said somewhere between 200
[26:40] and 250 million for it. And I don't
[26:42] think there was ever a world where they
[26:44] imagined that it would make like the its
[26:46] opening box office would make even half
[26:49] of that. Maybe half, but like you know,
[26:51] I think estimations for it are coming in
[26:53] around like 40 to 50 million for this
[26:55] weekend. And they seem fine with it.
[26:57] Like it's like Amazon I mean it's Jeff
[26:59] Bezos is one of the richest men in the
[27:01] world. He's the leader of Amazon
[27:03] obviously. So it feels to me like I said
[27:05] that like I can almost believe that the
[27:08] budget ballooned to 400 million. I doubt
[27:11] it's that actual number, but I bet you
[27:14] that they started with a pretty
[27:15] substantial budget as well because
[27:16] Amazon is like much like Netflix is one
[27:19] of the few studios that is still
[27:20] throwing huge amounts of money at
[27:23] projects just kind of being go make it.
[27:25] Yeah. Apple, too.
[27:26] >> Apple Apple's cos the purse strings a
[27:27] bit, but they do as well. I kind of
[27:28] think with um He-Man,
[27:31] they probably looked at it and said,
[27:32] "Well, it's it's Mattel. It's another
[27:34] Barbie thing. So, this now we'll do a
[27:36] Barbie that appeals to the male market."
[27:37] which by the way is incredibly silly
[27:40] because Barbie is a fantastic film
[27:41] whether you grow playing with them or
[27:43] not. Yeah.
[27:44] >> Well, this movie not as good, but I do
[27:46] enjoy
[27:46] >> I know I know this isn't a Masters of
[27:48] the Universe box office stream or
[27:50] anything like that, but I think the
[27:51] other part of it which you can't
[27:53] discount is they're selling toys off of
[27:55] it on Amazon. So, that's how ultimately
[28:00] they're not going to make as much money
[28:01] the movie, but yeah, they're going to
[28:02] get to that. And I don't know how that
[28:03] feeds into Spider Noir because I doubt
[28:05] the Spider-Man Noir comic books are
[28:07] flying off the Amazon shelves right now.
[28:09] But
[28:10] >> I don't know.
[28:11] >> Well, again, like think about when
[28:13] Spider-Man when Spider Noir would have
[28:14] been green lit, right? So, probably two,
[28:17] three years ago, right around the time
[28:19] Spiderverse came out was a huge hit. So,
[28:21] I think that Sony was, you know, trying
[28:23] to shop it around and they obviously,
[28:25] you know, maybe weren't looking to do
[28:26] Disney Plus because there's all these
[28:28] weird copyright things with TV and
[28:30] Marvel and Spider-Man. So, in a lot of
[28:32] ways, Apple was the right fit because
[28:34] they would pour money into it just to
[28:36] have more exclusive uh I hate this word,
[28:38] but it is really content for their
[28:39] streaming service. And they don't really
[28:41] have any superhero stuff on there. So, I
[28:43] think it's almost like, you know, you
[28:44] want that quadrant that they always talk
[28:46] about where they need more of like thing
[28:49] X on their streaming service. So, it
[28:50] feels like you have to have that
[28:51] streaming service. It's what HBO did for
[28:54] decades. That's how they attracted so
[28:55] many people. Well, and that's why the
[28:56] release schedule for Spider Noir is so
[28:58] weird to me because what you're saying
[29:00] 100% makes sense to have the people from
[29:03] the boys at Invincible who are like,
[29:05] "Where's my next superhero show?" And
[29:06] just like, "Great,
[29:07] >> we're going to put it up one or two
[29:09] episodes on MGM Plus, which none of you
[29:11] subscribe to." And then we're going to
[29:12] dump every single episode in two
[29:14] different colors on Amazon instead of
[29:17] rolling it out weekly when people we
[29:19] would have been talking about this for
[29:20] eight weeks. It's crazy to me.
[29:22] >> I know. I I never understand when
[29:23] streaming services will take a proven IP
[29:25] and do this. Now with Netflix and their
[29:27] model, I get it a lot of the time. Like
[29:30] if they would have dropped say Squid
[29:31] Game week by week, nobody would have
[29:33] ever watched it. You needed to binge
[29:35] that show. Uh but again, it's I think
[29:38] it's because we think of the model for
[29:40] streaming in terms of longevity. You
[29:42] know, like if if we like a show that
[29:44] runs for 20 episodes and it releases
[29:46] every week, we look at that and go,
[29:48] "Well, I'll be subscribed for 20 weeks."
[29:50] They have data that probably shows that
[29:53] if there's a show on Netflix that I like
[29:54] and it's eight episodes and I watch it
[29:56] in two days, um I'm just I'm not going
[29:58] to cancel statistically right after.
[30:00] It's too much of a hassle to cancel.
[30:02] There's other stuff to watch. It'd be
[30:04] very weird to finish the last episode of
[30:06] something and go, "Huh,
[30:08] >> log into accounts. Let's do this." Like,
[30:11] nobody does that, you know? And I think
[30:13] that they just bank on us forgetting we
[30:14] have subscriptions. Or like you said,
[30:16] Alex, we've watched Invincible. We've
[30:18] watched The Boys. Oh, wait. Don't leave
[30:20] yet. Here's Spider Noir. And then it's,
[30:22] oh, don't leave yet because we have VOT
[30:24] Rising. And they always try to keep a
[30:25] constant stream of something. But
[30:27] honestly, like I don't think a lot of
[30:28] people have finished the season yet
[30:29] anyways,
[30:30] >> just based on like the metric I have
[30:32] right now of how many people are
[30:33] watching and the views on our review
[30:35] video. People are taking their time and
[30:37] I'm glad because I don't think this is a
[30:39] show you should binge watch and, you
[30:40] know, watch on from your phone like
[30:42] this.
[30:44] >> Um, let's get to a couple super chats
[30:45] here, guys. Um, Arman, who I believe is
[30:49] one of our store owner members, thank
[30:50] you so much, gave us five pounds and
[30:53] said, "Hot take the color version is
[30:54] very good. The collars and suits all
[30:56] felt right for the era and not at all
[30:58] like it's an afterthought. The color
[30:59] grading is fun." Do you guys have a
[31:01] preference?
[31:02] >> Black and white 100% for me. They
[31:06] definitely lit it for that. They
[31:08] definitely made it for that. Uh, the
[31:10] color stuff I agree when they're on set
[31:13] looks really good. The problem for me is
[31:15] the second they get outside, the
[31:18] lighting is all off. Like particularly,
[31:20] there was one scene that really stuck
[31:21] with me where Lom Moore and Morris and
[31:23] Nicholas Cage were sitting on a park
[31:25] bench outside on their back lot and you
[31:27] could just see the makeup caked on
[31:29] Nicholas Cage. The hair looks fake and
[31:31] everything and it's like
[31:33] >> ah this isn't working.
[31:35] >> Yeah, I I agree. Black and white's the
[31:37] way to go with it. Although I did watch
[31:38] probably the majority of it in the true
[31:41] hue color because I am a teenager at
[31:44] heart and reject.
[31:46] >> I watched most of it in color just for
[31:48] um Easter egg observation because I
[31:50] noticed when I watched the trailer I
[31:52] missed a few things that were in black
[31:53] and white. So I am I am now going to get
[31:55] to go rewatch it in color or in black
[31:57] and white with my wife. I will say you
[31:59] and Alex that's a great um observation
[32:03] about like the fight at the end between
[32:05] him and Megawatt out in the street does
[32:08] not look great and I haven't seen it in
[32:10] black and white yet. U I did think
[32:12] however the scene where Cat sings in the
[32:14] club is fantastic in color. It really
[32:18] pops to the point where I would tell
[32:19] everybody just go watch that scene in
[32:21] color. That's really great. But yeah,
[32:23] they definitely had a pallet of Pulp
[32:26] magazine covers and they stuck to it.
[32:29] >> Yeah. And the I mean about the fight
[32:31] thing, I will say since I sort of
[32:33] switched back and forth and I ended up
[32:35] watching not the show completely twice,
[32:37] but like tried to watch most of it in
[32:39] color and most of it in black and white.
[32:41] The black and white really smooths over
[32:44] a lot of the fight stuff. Like the car
[32:46] fight in the second episode, is it the
[32:49] third episode? uh looks great in black
[32:52] and white. Once you switch over to
[32:53] color, you're like, h, I don't know
[32:54] about this. I don't know. This looks a
[32:56] little fakey. Um, and it emphasizes the
[32:58] whole goofy Batman 66 nature of some of
[33:01] it, and that's good. So, if you do
[33:03] prefer color, more power to you, but I
[33:06] would say black and white all day, every
[33:07] day.
[33:08] >> I just think Nicholas Cage wasn't
[33:10] performing for I don't He may have said
[33:11] we should do a color version, but his
[33:13] performance is not for a color movie. It
[33:15] just isn't like it is like hey,
[33:19] you know, like doing that whole like
[33:20] growl like I couldn't even find a
[33:23] detective like that's not what Humphrey
[33:24] Bogart actually sounds like in the
[33:26] Maltese Falcon, but that's what we think
[33:27] he sounds like in the Maltese Falcon.
[33:29] >> My favorite thing about this is that he
[33:31] goes another layer in when he's imp when
[33:33] he's trying to break into the apartment
[33:35] complex and he calls himself uh Boris
[33:38] Carlo and then he's like, "Oh, maybe
[33:40] it's under my stage name." nine Frank N.
[33:46] >> That was the part
[33:47] >> very Beverly Hills cop.
[33:48] >> All of that that and him going and
[33:51] talking to the different cops and using
[33:52] a different accent each time was so
[33:54] crazy to me because I'm like you're
[33:56] already in a film noir paste and now
[33:58] you're doing film noir accents in the
[34:00] this is wild. It's great.
[34:03] >> And he knew what he was doing, man. He
[34:04] understood the assignment. Phila from
[34:06] Down Under gave us eight Australian
[34:07] dollars and said, "Love the show. The
[34:09] noir aesthetic was pitch perfect. the
[34:11] framing beautiful and the performance is
[34:12] captivating. Lots of pays for Doug.
[34:15] Well, I'll get I'll pass that on to Doug
[34:17] um here in a minute. And Doug Doug got
[34:18] some shots this week. He didn't react
[34:20] well to them, so I uh I had to give him
[34:22] some extra attention this week. He's
[34:24] doing great now. He's up and running
[34:25] around. He was shaking. I looked down at
[34:27] him. He was like like shaking from fever
[34:29] and I was like, "My dog's dying." He's
[34:31] doing good now. I'll pass on that treat
[34:32] for him.
[34:33] >> Yeah. all around. It's weird because I
[34:36] feel like bad superhero things um that
[34:41] come out actually do more damage than
[34:44] the good things do good at this point
[34:46] because people are maybe you can call it
[34:48] superhero fatigue, maybe you can call it
[34:49] mid fatigue, but it seems like when
[34:51] something truly great comes out, it
[34:54] doesn't get like the popular attention
[34:57] that things used to like with W division
[34:59] and stuff like that where everybody was
[35:00] talking about it, which could just be
[35:02] that we're numb to it. I don't know
[35:04] curious how that passes on to Star Wars
[35:06] but go ahead.
[35:06] >> Yes, for sure. And I also think though
[35:08] that there is a rush to declare
[35:11] something not being talked about on the
[35:13] internet because I could I can't tell
[35:14] you how many times on X when I looked
[35:16] for Spider Noir discourse there was a
[35:18] tweet that was some flavor posted over
[35:20] and over again by like why am I not
[35:22] hearing anyone talk about Spider Noir
[35:24] with like 50 respon I mean it's great
[35:26] engagement bait because 50 response
[35:28] that's all everyone's talking like
[35:30] anyone I that watches stuff like this is
[35:32] talking about it. So, I feel like I
[35:34] think that the binge release of this is
[35:36] hurting its like being a phenomenon in
[35:39] terms of people talking about it, like I
[35:41] think if it was building and we were
[35:43] like, you know,
[35:45] >> getting to enjoy this weekly or drop do
[35:47] do it like how the boys used to do it
[35:49] where it was like drop two one week or
[35:51] three to start and then, you know, get
[35:52] everyone hooked on it and then release
[35:54] them week by week. But I I think I do
[35:56] think some of the thing like there's an
[35:58] urge anytime something comes out whether
[36:00] it's a movie to declare it dead at the
[36:01] box office after Thursday night previews
[36:03] or if it's a TV show to declare it
[36:06] nobody's watching it because it's going
[36:07] to guarantee that you get engagement on
[36:09] it.
[36:11] >> Yeah, it makes sense.
[36:12] >> Yeah. And I think a lot of it also I
[36:14] mean there's a lot of things going on
[36:15] there. One, uh the conversation I feel
[36:18] like has turned from superhero fatigue
[36:20] to just franchise IP fatigue more than
[36:23] anything. You know, we've been talking
[36:24] about that a lot with
[36:26] >> back rooms obsession. There's the basic
[36:28] digital circus.
[36:30] >> Yeah.
[36:30] >> And the Monsterverse is another proof of
[36:32] that. And the Fast Movies, which used to
[36:33] be Billiondollar Behemoths. They're all
[36:35] kind of losing steam. Sputter to the
[36:37] end. Yeah.
[36:38] >> The audience is tired of it. They're
[36:40] tired of feeling like, "God, I got to
[36:42] see this for my homework. This is my job
[36:44] to do this thing rather than this is the
[36:46] fun thing. I can relax and see." And so
[36:47] whether it's good or not, it almost
[36:49] doesn't matter. And clearly the three of
[36:51] us like Spider Noir. Mostly everybody
[36:53] I've talked to also likes Spider Noir,
[36:55] but that's a wall where people are like,
[36:57] I don't want to see that. And it's a
[36:58] bummer because this is the first time in
[37:01] what is it 50 years or so that we've had
[37:03] a liveaction Spider-Man show. And they
[37:06] should have been treating it like that
[37:08] instead of, mind you, it is a weird
[37:11] project when you're like, "Oh, it's a
[37:13] liveaction Spider-Man show that's set in
[37:16] 1933 starring Nicholas Cage as a film
[37:18] noir Spider-Man called not Spider-Man,
[37:21] but the Spider." Also, he's not Peter
[37:23] Parker. He's Ben Riley. Also, he's a
[37:25] different character than he was in
[37:26] animation. Enjoy. So, like there's a lot
[37:28] of
[37:29] >> Oh, and also you can watch in two
[37:30] different ways. It's black and white and
[37:31] it's color. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[37:33] >> Yeah. Uh unless
[37:35] >> Yeah. It's too many things like so there
[37:38] are a lot of walls there for people to
[37:40] get into this specific show, but I don't
[37:42] know. I feel like there was a way for
[37:44] them to sell it or figure out just being
[37:46] like, "Check out the first liveaction
[37:48] Spider-Man show in 50 years." That would
[37:50] have been cool to people because
[37:52] generally people like Spider-Man.
[37:55] >> To that point, Arman also adds for two
[37:57] pounds, it's a miracle that this show is
[37:59] not a surf Dracula. It really, it is
[38:02] crazy. You see something like this, you
[38:04] hear about it, you go, "Oh boy, I that
[38:06] sounds I remember there have been so
[38:07] many things I have heard about. Hell,
[38:09] when I heard the title Wanda Vision, I
[38:10] thought that sounds awful. God, what are
[38:13] they doing?" You know, I love when I'm
[38:14] wrong about stuff. This thing I was
[38:16] never questioning. I was like, if this
[38:18] is a real project and not just a dumb
[38:19] rumor I've heard, I think it's going to
[38:21] be great. Gio Katsi gave us five euros
[38:23] and said, "The way to go for Sony is the
[38:25] opposite of Marvel. You have the
[38:27] animated movies plus characters and
[38:30] expand their story or backstory in
[38:32] individual shows." I don't think it's
[38:34] the opposite. I kind of think that's
[38:35] what Marvel does. I think they have, you
[38:38] know, Well, I mean, I understand what
[38:40] they mean by that, though. Marvel
[38:41] definitely like would start with a big
[38:43] project like Civil War and then spin
[38:45] characters off from that. I just think
[38:47] if you make something and it works and
[38:48] people like it, stick with it. I think
[38:50] it's that simple. Whatever grabs
[38:52] people's imagination. You had Nicholas
[38:53] Cage voicing an animated character and
[38:55] he wanted to keep doing it.
[38:57] >> Take the win.
[38:59] >> And like we were talking about earlier,
[39:01] just have a bunch of things that are not
[39:04] connected. They're all in their own
[39:05] universes. They're all their own shows
[39:07] running. People will accept it. And if
[39:11] they do work, you know, let's say random
[39:13] example, you put out five shows. two of
[39:16] them work, three of them don't work.
[39:18] Follow those two shows. Those two shows
[39:20] can cross over then and you don't have
[39:22] to worry about the other three.
[39:24] >> Yeah. Don't feel like you're obligated
[39:25] to go back to the Incredible Hulk. Uh,
[39:27] you know, 16 years later, Ric Flair's
[39:29] hairs gave us five bucks and says, "Hey,
[39:31] Tommy, can we get a Ric Flair?" Woo! As
[39:33] Nick Cage
[39:36] >> as Wow, that's layered. Okay. Yeah. So,
[39:39] >> yeah, you're an actor.
[39:42] Well, I'm a highflying limousine driving
[39:46] wheel and dealing KISS STEALING SON OF A
[39:52] >> Very good. Very good. I got asked to do
[39:55] a who day earlier. Um, you know, my
[39:57] wife's my wife wrote this play with
[39:59] Colobby Mini and another and Alice. Oh
[40:02] my god, what's the last tickets are on
[40:04] sale now? Yeah, Kremlberg. Thank you.
[40:05] and Alice Krimlberg uh named Camping and
[40:08] uh I got to do a voice I hope makes it
[40:10] in. I got to do an old who day chant
[40:12] like well do that in my sleep that's
[40:14] from the 90s and Phil Rumba from down
[40:17] under gave us eight gave us three
[40:18] Australian dollars and said that should
[40:20] have been Pat's typo from earlier. You
[40:22] didn't have to pay the money just to
[40:23] correct your typo. Uh but we'll but we
[40:26] do appreciate it. Um let me ask you guys
[40:29] this. So, I look at this movie too and I
[40:32] think this is or the show and I think
[40:34] this is how the multiverse could have
[40:35] been done the whole time. This is how
[40:37] the multiverse if you're doing the
[40:39] multiverse saga, you could have done
[40:42] maybe a Doctor Strange movie, I brought
[40:43] this up in our review, um where instead
[40:46] of it being about the continuing
[40:48] adventures of the Doctor Strange, we
[40:49] know the whole thing is about the
[40:51] alternate universe version of Steven
[40:52] that turns evil and then our Steven
[40:54] encounters him at the end. I'm not
[40:56] saying they should have done that, but
[40:57] there are so many possibilities. I like
[40:59] to throw out a Shani movie that takes
[41:01] place in the in the gritty 1970s New
[41:03] York. Allah Joker, but that is of course
[41:05] when Shani first became a comic
[41:07] following the kung fu craz craze of the
[41:09] of the 70s.
[41:11] Spider-Man 2099 is another example. Just
[41:14] the whole 2099 universe from the 90s
[41:18] with like this cyberpunk bladeunner look
[41:21] to it was awesome. And I feel like now
[41:24] we're at the end of the multiverse saga
[41:26] and it never really got going as a
[41:28] multiverse saga. I mean, what do you
[41:29] guys think? Is this do we think that we
[41:31] would have liked to have seen more of
[41:32] these or what projects would you have
[41:33] like to have seen?
[41:36] >> I mean, definitely. I think you're
[41:37] absolutely right. Like part of the
[41:39] problem with the multiverse saga as it
[41:42] is is there aren't enough multiveres in
[41:44] the multiverse saga. Like we have the
[41:46] MCU, we have the universe where
[41:48] everything is paint. Uh we have the I'm
[41:52] forgetting the number designation, but
[41:54] we have the place that they went to with
[41:56] the Illuminati in Dr. Yeah. uh they go
[41:59] there and then
[42:01] >> where's the what if and you know then
[42:03] all those you know
[42:04] >> but they weren't gonna bring in any of
[42:06] those and like we're talking about the
[42:09] live action TV shows I think and the
[42:12] movies because the what if thing always
[42:14] felt very much the side and they should
[42:16] have gone crazier like you were saying
[42:17] had more multiveres so they didn't have
[42:19] to pull that emergency rip cord of
[42:22] bringing in the older X-Men at the end
[42:24] to give us some sort of emotional stakes
[42:26] with another universe we've barely had
[42:28] any time to get to know the Fantastic
[42:30] Four or their universe. We've had one
[42:31] movie for it. So,
[42:33] >> for it to be a multiverse saga, there
[42:35] should have been more multiverse and
[42:37] there just wasn't.
[42:40] >> Yeah. I think for me, my my issue is
[42:43] that when we do have this is the
[42:46] multiverse saga, and when we do have
[42:47] movies that are take place in different
[42:49] multiverses, we tend not to stay in any
[42:51] other different multiverse long enough.
[42:53] It's like they're literally falling
[42:55] through them in that one scene in
[42:56] Multiverse of Madness. And Yes, we stay
[42:58] in A38 for a while, but like
[43:01] >> the I would I would almost prefer to see
[43:04] the what's going on in that universe or
[43:07] in that multiverse before our
[43:10] protagonists enter it. Like, you know
[43:12] what I mean? Like it's almost like they
[43:13] they imagine a it's like a movie styling
[43:15] where like the everything stops once
[43:17] they leave the room and it only life
[43:19] resumes once they walk once Stephen
[43:21] Strange enters the multiverse. Then
[43:23] people start moving around and doing
[43:24] stuff. It's like I think if they took
[43:26] their time and established different
[43:28] multiveres in this in this uh in in
[43:31] these in these movies, it would have
[43:33] been a more satisfying conclusion.
[43:35] Whereas instead, we're kind of left with
[43:36] a couple montages and one Fantastic 4
[43:39] movie and and one 25minute sequence on
[43:41] 838
[43:43] >> and what if and Loki doing all the heavy
[43:45] lifting for explaining all this too.
[43:46] Yeah, it's the same thing we keep
[43:48] talking about with the multiverse saga.
[43:50] They just when you when you get a
[43:52] mandate from corporate that says we want
[43:54] you to do x number of hour double the
[43:56] number of hours whatever it is you just
[43:58] kind of reach a logistical point where
[44:00] you actually can't do Avengers movies
[44:03] like you can't schedule that many people
[44:05] together you can't make that movie while
[44:07] you're also making all of these shows so
[44:09] we did miss out on some cool crossover
[44:11] opportunities like I keep thinking about
[44:12] like Moonnight and Ramatut like two just
[44:15] kind of fit like Konchu could have been
[44:18] >> um appearing in a Kang project or
[44:20] something like that. But I'm also just
[44:22] like lamenting that there's all this
[44:23] great multiversal stuff from the comics
[44:25] and all this other great stuff like the
[44:27] the the old the three generations of
[44:29] Thors that appear in the Jason Aaron run
[44:32] that could have just been part of time
[44:34] travel stories that had they been had
[44:36] the the luxury of a little bit more
[44:38] breath they could have planned out. And
[44:39] I guess that's the great thing about
[44:40] what Sony has going on. They don't have
[44:42] a ticking time bomb of an Avengers movie
[44:46] they have to build toward. They can
[44:47] literally at this point wait for the
[44:49] right script. And I don't think their
[44:50] corporate was doing that before. I think
[44:53] they were saying, "No, no, no. We we we
[44:55] got to get our movies out. We got to do
[44:56] our crossover. We need our Avengers
[44:58] movie." And now, hell, they're partnered
[44:59] with Amazon to get all the money in the
[45:01] world on this so they can take all
[45:02] the time they want.
[45:04] >> Yeah. I hope they do. I hope they
[45:06] actually take that beat and think about
[45:08] it and don't suddenly
[45:11] panic and pull back to, oh, we got to do
[45:13] a null thing again and we got to bring
[45:15] back Craven and we got to do the El
[45:16] Muerto movie to tie in and we got to
[45:18] find out what's going on with MorbiiUs
[45:20] and that cornfield and whatever is going
[45:22] on there.
[45:22] >> Remember Elto with Bad Bunny? Wow.
[45:26] >> Yeah.
[45:27] >> Yeah. That's how I heard of that
[45:29] character for the first time. And that's
[45:31] pretty rare for me when they announced
[45:32] something. I'm like, "Oh, cool." Like
[45:34] I've heard at least you know you're
[45:35] aware in the comments you've heard of
[45:36] people even if you haven't picked up the
[45:38] actual issue but I was like the hell is
[45:40] that? Uh Jordan Enrique gave us $5 and
[45:43] said so is he Peter Parker because
[45:45] Freckles mentions that he couldn't find
[45:47] him because Nicholas Cage changed his
[45:48] name to Ben Riley. Yeah he's Peter
[45:50] Parker.
[45:52] >> Right. I think that was a cool way for
[45:53] them to acknowledge it legally.
[45:55] >> They didn't they didn't say Peter Parker
[45:58] though, right? They didn't say what his
[45:59] actual name was. They just said that he
[46:00] changed his name. That was such a that
[46:03] moment in Madame Webb where they could
[46:04] never say the baby's name is Peter
[46:06] Barker then Dr. the wall. I'm like come
[46:09] on.
[46:09] >> They should have in Madam Web. They
[46:10] should have called him the child.
[46:15] >> The vessel. My little hero.
[46:19] >> Grou Park.
[46:20] >> Ben Riley Grou Park.
[46:24] Oh man, that movie when I got I don't
[46:26] know if you guys have watched Madam Web
[46:28] lately, but I swear to God watching her
[46:29] not open a Pepsi can. And I think people
[46:31] make fun of her to be like she doesn't
[46:32] know how. And I think No, no, no. I
[46:34] think it's because they wanted her to do
[46:36] it and drink the delicious Pepsi and she
[46:38] was so over working on the shitty movie
[46:40] that she refused to do it.
[46:42] >> And in every I will swear, people might
[46:45] flame me for this. Madam Web is maybe
[46:47] the most fun I had in a superhero movie
[46:49] that entire year. Like it's legitimately
[46:52] a good time in the movie theater. I was
[46:54] laughing and howling the entire time.
[46:55] And like
[46:56] >> Dakota Johnson very funny. I will I will
[46:59] swear by it.
[47:00] >> Did you see the critic screening of
[47:01] Madame Webb?
[47:03] >> No.
[47:03] >> Or Okay. So I went to the critic screen.
[47:05] Now you normally went in New York, you
[47:07] get invited to these screenings and they
[47:08] have them at AMC big, you know, they
[47:10] invite a lot of people. This particular
[47:12] screening was um at like a really nice
[47:15] corporate office in a very small
[47:16] screening room. It's like what I imagine
[47:19] like rich people their size screening
[47:20] room you like the White House screening
[47:22] room that doesn't exist anymore but like
[47:24] that's the size that it was. So it was
[47:26] very few critics howling because the
[47:28] critics are catching all the technical
[47:30] things like the bad ADR from Ezekiel and
[47:32] stuff like that. That is like the most
[47:35] I've ever felt connected to my peer
[47:37] group in this industry. It was great.
[47:40] And like immediately Harriet who saw the
[47:42] movie with me, our one of our producers,
[47:44] like invited friends over to go watch it
[47:47] like for her. I think it's become an
[47:50] annual thing for her since then. Man,
[47:52] >> Craven's got its fair share, too,
[47:54] though. When Calypso says, "My grand
[47:56] then my grandmother died. I never saw
[47:58] her after that."
[48:00] >> Yeah.
[48:02] >> Have I told you guys my my Craven story
[48:04] when I was
[48:04] >> I love this story. Tell it again for I
[48:06] haven't heard it.
[48:07] >> So, I was at the world premiere. It was
[48:08] in New York. And a couple things I, you
[48:11] know, little things I want to know.
[48:12] Aaron Taylor Johnson knew he was in a
[48:15] turd burger, but kept did not like walk
[48:18] out at the end. Stayed, talked to press,
[48:20] smiled, did the whole thing. He was like
[48:22] a real class act about it. So I I have a
[48:24] lot of respect for how that guy handled
[48:26] himself at this thing. The guy who
[48:27] played Young Craven, I saw him coming
[48:29] back from the bathroom after and he
[48:33] just not like nobody following him,
[48:35] nobody like he looked so sad. I felt so
[48:37] bad for him.
[48:39] >> But my favorite part of the story is
[48:40] when the director came out to introduce
[48:43] the movie and talk about it. He said,
[48:45] "Well, I just um
[48:48] how did he put it?" He said,
[48:51] "I can't thank you all for coming here
[48:52] tonight.
[48:56] I can't thank you enough. I can't thank
[48:58] you for coming here tonight." Like, you
[49:00] could tell like everyone just knew. I've
[49:02] never been at a an event that big
[49:04] >> where people weren't I like the
[49:06] Ghostbusters Afterlife premiere. I went
[49:07] to that, right? I hated that movie, but
[49:09] the Ghostbusters were there, you know,
[49:11] like everybody was super pumped to be
[49:13] there. They thought they'd made a good
[49:14] movie. They were wrong. This movie, you
[49:16] could tell everybody was despondent
[49:18] about it.
[49:19] >> They're like, "God, no."
[49:21] >> Which which is why it's so cool that
[49:23] Aaron Taylor Johnson was such a class
[49:24] actor about it. Everybody was like, they
[49:26] all did their job. By the way, I don't
[49:27] know who Ariana Dewal's Asian is, but I
[49:29] hope that she's gotten new
[49:30] representation. Anyways, Monty G gave us
[49:32] $5 and said, "Just boosting." He's got
[49:34] this really nice. She gave $5 to boost
[49:36] somebody else's comment. K DK Harry G
[49:40] with a bunch of numbers says, "I finally
[49:42] made it to a live. Love you guys. Sorry
[49:44] I'm just broke." And I too, Monty G,
[49:47] >> have been there at the level of just
[49:49] broke. Thank you so much, man. I really
[49:50] appreciate it. Thanks for coming to a
[49:52] live today.
[49:52] >> Yes. Thank you.
[49:53] >> All right. I think we are going to wrap
[49:55] it up there. But before we do,
[49:57] >> one last thing to note. Nick Cage on
[50:00] season two. While speaking to Variety,
[50:01] Cage was not sure about a season two. He
[50:03] said, "I don't know, but I would say I
[50:05] can't do a Nicholas Cage impression, but
[50:06] I would say what whether it happens or
[50:08] not." What I was doing there was I've
[50:10] never tried to do a Nicholas Cage
[50:12] impression, and I thought maybe I got
[50:13] this. Maybe this is like the first time
[50:15] I did a Kermit and it'll just come out.
[50:17] So, he said, um,
[50:21] >> I don't know, but I would say that there
[50:23] whether it happens or not, all of us
[50:24] achieve what we set out to do and it
[50:27] works on its own. We'll see what
[50:28] happens. So, that's if Spotter Noir was
[50:31] played by Nicholas Gage, but um was
[50:33] played by Kermit the Frog.
[50:34] >> I don't think they're going to do it. I
[50:35] don't think they should do it. I'd love
[50:36] to see it be a one and done.
[50:38] >> Do you guys have any thoughts?
[50:40] >> I just think it's
[50:41] >> Where would Where would season two go
[50:42] even? You know,
[50:43] >> uh I would be happy to watch the second
[50:45] season because I had a fun time watching
[50:46] this first season. I think it's just
[50:48] production-wise too heavy of a lift. I
[50:51] mean, whether it cost $400 million or
[50:53] less than that, it still cost an insane
[50:55] amount of money. It took a ton of time.
[50:58] Nicholas Cage has also said in
[51:00] interviews that even though he did want
[51:01] to do TV, once he did eight hours of G,
[51:03] he was like,
[51:05] >> I'm good. That's eight movies. I'm done
[51:08] now. So, I don't know if he'd come back.
[51:10] He's also 62 years old at this point.
[51:12] So,
[51:12] >> yeah,
[51:13] >> you're going down the road. You're keep
[51:14] kicking it down the road. It's going to
[51:15] become harder and harder for him the
[51:17] further you go. But if they were to do
[51:20] it, there are a lot of storylines. They
[51:22] didn't touch on any of the story lines
[51:24] for the actual Spider-Man Noir comics.
[51:26] So, there are things that they could
[51:27] pull on there. Uh, they didn't bring in
[51:29] the Goblin who is the next Bob Boss. I
[51:32] personally think it would be hilarious
[51:33] in the comics. Silverman goes from a
[51:35] regular gangster to a old man head on a
[51:39] cyborg body. So, what if he survives?
[51:42] What happens to him at the end of the
[51:43] season and he becomes a cyborg? That
[51:45] would be great.
[51:45] >> He's got a steampunk body. That'd be
[51:46] great. Like all gears like like the Tik
[51:48] Tok man and Return to Oz.
[51:50] >> Love it.
[51:53] Sorry.
[51:54] >> Yeah,
[51:54] >> I forgot. Every time I think of that
[51:56] movie.
[51:58] >> Yeah,
[51:59] >> it's scary. That movie is terrifying.
[52:00] >> It's really scary. Yeah,
[52:03] >> that was a real thing that just
[52:04] happened. You actually watched a little
[52:06] bit of like spike trauma happen in my
[52:08] face just now. I gotta go, guys. I got
[52:10] to sort this out in therapy. All right.
[52:12] Thank you guys so much. Oh Tommy,
[52:14] look at the time.
[52:15] >> Oh god, I got to get back to work,
[52:17] fellas.
[52:20] And by the way, enjoy casual bottom
[52:21] Fridays.
[52:22] >> I will. Thank you. Always a casual
[52:24] bottom over here. See you.
[52:26] >> Bye, Alex. Thanks so much. You got
[52:28] anything coming up you want to let us
[52:29] know about?
[52:29] >> Uh, sure. I mentioned it the other day,
[52:31] but Tuesday at 7, we're going to have
[52:32] the team from IDW's The Horror of
[52:34] Godzilla, which is a black and white
[52:37] horror movie take on Godzilla, uh, from
[52:40] his origins. It's a pretty cool comic
[52:42] book. So, that's going to be on the
[52:43] comic book club channel.
[52:44] >> Great. And do you interact much with
[52:46] Heather Anttois, by the way, a long time
[52:47] ago?
[52:48] >> Um, I do. I've uh talked to her a bunch
[52:49] of times. I knew her from back in the
[52:52] day when we used to do the show live in
[52:54] a theater and she was still an assistant
[52:56] at Marvel. She used to come to the live
[52:58] show all the time. So, she's great.
[53:00] She's
[53:01] >> great. When we started doing lives, it
[53:03] became suddenly really hard to get her
[53:05] on the show because um she's a very busy
[53:07] person who travels a lot. But uh
[53:09] anyways, yeah, check that out next
[53:10] Tuesday. We'll have the link for it down
[53:11] below. Thanks, Alex.
[53:14] >> And we want to hear from you guys. What
[53:16] did you think of Spider Noir? What other
[53:17] spider related or multiverse related
[53:19] projects would you like to see next? You
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