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title: 'Is Spider-Noir the Future of the Sony Spider-Verse?'
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# Is Spider-Noir the Future of the Sony Spider-Verse?

> Source: [Is Spider-Noir the Future of the Sony Spider-Verse?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=uILTJP515Os)

## Summary

The video features a discussion about the 'Spider-Noir' series, including its budget, its potential to revive the Sony Spider-Verse, and the show's strengths in storytelling and casting. The hosts share their opinions on the show's noir style, the performances, and the possibility of future seasons.

### Key Points

- **Introduction to Spider-Noir Discussion** [0:04] — The host, Ryan Ary, introduces the topic of Spider-Noir, acknowledging the show's high budget of nearly half a billion dollars and its role in the Sony Spider-Verse.
- **Alex Zin's Positive Surprise** [2:55] — Alex Zin shares that he liked the show more than expected, noting its film noir pastiche and how Nicholas Cage's performance became more prominent over the episodes.
- **Tommy Becktold's Enjoyment and Casting Praise** [4:04] — Tommy Becktold enjoyed the show as it became more 'Nick Cagey', praised the casting for capturing the 1940s style, and noted the performances felt authentic to the era.
- **Spider-Noir as a Sony Spider-Verse Project** [8:30] — The hosts discuss Spider-Noir as a Sony Spider-Verse project, contrasting it with previous failures like Madame Web and Craven the Hunter, and debating whether it signals a resurrection of the franchise.
- **Relief from Tie-Ins** [12:01] — The hosts appreciate that Spider-Noir feels independent without requiring tie-ins to other movies, allowing viewers to enjoy the story without pressure to follow interconnected narratives.
- **Astronomical Budget and Color Pass Drama** [24:11] — The hosts discuss the rumored $400 million budget for Spider-Noir, partly due to reshoots and a color pass demanded by Amazon, contrasting the black-and-white and color versions.
- **Preference for Black and White Version** [33:01] — The debate between black-and-white and color versions leads to a consensus that the black-and-white version better suits the noir aesthetic and smooths over visual inconsistencies.
- **The Multiverse Saga and Standalone Stories** [43:34] — The hosts argue that the MCU's multiverse saga failed by not exploring diverse universes, and that standalone shows like Spider-Noir demonstrate a better approach.
- **Uncertainty About Season Two** [50:21] — The discussion concludes with Nicholas Cage expressing uncertainty about a second season, and the hosts speculate on potential storylines while noting the heavy production costs.

### Conclusion

Spider-Noir demonstrates a successful approach to the Sony Spider-Verse by embracing standalone, genre-specific storytelling, but its future remains uncertain due to astronomical production costs and Nicholas Cage's potential disinterest in continuing.

## Transcript

Let's rewind. Rewind.
Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm
your host, Ryan Ary. And today,
unfortunately, we are not talking about
a Dr. Doom pop-up coffee shop. We are
finally getting to sit down and talk to
you guys about Spider Noir. So, fair
warning, spoilers for Spider Noir season
1 are ahead. Now, not only are we going
to talk about this season of Spider
Noir, but we're going to talk about some
of the news about Spider Noir, about how
this show cost, wait for it, almost half
a billion dollars to create. I like the
show, but I don't like the show a half a
billion times. That's crazy. We're also
going to talk about whether or not
Spider Noir represents a resurrection of
the Sony verse. If you watched our
review video that went up last week,
then you know that I really like the
show. And in my opinion, it's it shows
us not only how the Sony verse could
have been done right, but also how the
Multiverse saga could have been done
right. We're going to talk about all of
that and more. But first, we're going to
start with our opinions on the actual
show. And I have a couple of guests to
bring on here with me, the old regulars.
You know, these guys, old reliable
himself, Mr. Alex Zin from the Comic
Book Club podcast. How are you, Alex?
>> I'm great, Ryan. I I wrote a song for
Spider Noir. Would you like me to sing
it to you?
>> That depends. Can you sing?
>> I mean, you decide, I guess, but
>> All right. Well, let's
>> Noir, Spider Noir. You can find him in a
bar. I like the scene where he's on a
car. Look out. See, here comes Spider
Noir.
>> What do you think?
>> I like it. Especially the part about the
bar. That was my favorite. That was
>> I'm good at rhymes. What can I say? I
was born gifted.
>> I'm really happy.
>> I'm very happy I get to be your friend.
That's That's kind of just where I left
off on this. I'm very pleased that that
we have a friendship.
>> Me too, bro.
>> Okay,
>> just a second. I got to fix an audio
thing on my side because you're coming
in real low. And next up, you know him
as the guy who's always on break. I have
not talked to him yet about this show
and I'm looking forward to it so much,
Mr. Tommy Beck told. What is going on,
my friend?
>> Janet, listen. It's called Casual Friday
and for me that means top and bottom is
casual and I won't take any notes. Ryan,
how are you? I also wrote a song for
Spider Noir. It's to the theme of uh
Closer by 9in Nails. I want to web you
like a spider noir.
>> That's it. That's the whole song.
>> I wondered how much you guys planned
this ahead of time. That was excellent.
That was
>> We've been working on it all week.
>> Yeah.
>> I just did Johnny Cash's cover of a 9 in
song. Yeah. Sorry, Tom. I stepped all
over your joke. Stepped on it. stepped
on it like it was a cigarette on the
street in the show Spider Noir. So, um,
we're gonna I want to first just let me
know what you guys think about this
show. Alex, you go first. What were your
thoughts on the series? And again,
spoilers spoilers abound.
>> Sure. I liked it a lot more than I
thought I would going into it. I was
worried it was going to be a little bit
of a disaster. And it kind of is, but in
a pleasant way where it starts as a very
much straightforward film noir pastiche
and you can feel over the course of the
eight episodes just Nicholas Cage
pushing into it more and more and more
where I don't know like he takes control
of the thing and I that's fun like I
like Nicholas Cage. I think he is a wild
man and when you let him be a wild man
that's enjoyable. And it just got
goofier and funnier and weirder over the
course of the eight episodes. And
honestly, I would I would rather watch
that. Like I'd rather watch that than
like we're doing another straightforward
across the board. This is a superhero
movie. The entire world is at stake and
then we split it into eight episodes.
Instead, go weird. Give us the horror
universal horror episode and lead into
it.
>> That's more fun. I had a good time.
>> That horror episode was my favorite of
the of the season. I loved it. uh just
the way they played with reality. I was
like, man, if D if they did get David
Lynch, RIP to do a superhero, to do a
cape, this would be it. Tommy, what do
you think?
>> Yeah. Uh similarly, I I think that as
the show got more Nick Ky, it got more
enjoyable for me. I This was a show that
I had almost no expectations for to be
perfectly honest with you. I was stunned
that it went from being announced to
actually being made to being released.
But as I think we'll probably talk about
later, I do feel like if this movie was
or this show was being produced and
financed by any other company other than
Amazon, it would have died on the vine
because Amazon we was we're about to see
this weekend with Masters of the
Universe is willing to throw ungodly
amounts of money at at things to make
them to get them across the finish line.
But
I like the show very very much. I
thought it was really fun. I thought the
casting was like pretty pitch perfect. I
mean, it's difficult to p cast a show in
2026 or when they cast it in 2024
with actors trying to act as though
they're in a thing being produced in the
40s, right? It's like they they asked to
get some pretty outrageous performances
and I thought some landed more than
others, but I thought overall,
especially in the core casting,
everybody was really terrific in it.
>> I mean, they they made such strong
choices. the guy who played Megawatt,
like what he did with his voice and
yeah, you know, he did the whole growl
thing and everybody speaks in a
transatlantic accent, you know,
>> that wasn't a transatlantic accent, but
everybody else did, except for the
people who were putting on tough guy New
York accents,
the people who talk like this, by the
way, in case you're watching and you
don't know, sorry, Tom and
>> No, no, I was just say and that detail
being that you know that that he's an
aspiring actor, so the transatlantic act
accent would be very important to him, I
thought was interesting. like it's like,
"Oh, he's he's also performing as
Megawatt, right?" Like it's like he's
doing he's doing a performance. But
yeah, I thought I thought that was
really fun. I um so I'll give you a
little inside baseball. When this show
came out, I actually auditioned for it
twice. I did not audition for Megawatt,
but I auditioned for one of the henchmen
that doesn't get uh doesn't get knocked
off early on in the season, and I
auditioned, I believe, to be a bartender
in it. And I did not go as deep into the
noir style. It I mean I figured out what
the show was even though it was under a
coded name and all the names were
changed and there was no mention of any
spider entities in it. But I did not
realize how heavily they were going to
lean into everyone else's performances
being you know this is a show that this
could have been released 70 80 years
ago. So,
>> well, I you know, if you're going for a
bartender, I guess the bartender from
like It's a Wonderful Life would have
been the way to go.
>> All right, you two pixies out the door,
out the window. It's up to you like
that.
>> But, I mean, to that point, you don't
expect that, right? Like, you expect
them to be like, "Yeah, we're going to
kind of make it look like film noir, but
it's a show that we filmed right now."
But they they go for it.
>> Well, you know, I think Yeah. Sorry. I
think an example that I think of is like
that didn't always do this was Boardwalk
Empire. Like Boardwalk Empire had people
that were straight up performing like it
was 2014 sometimes. Like there were
there were some characters the guy who
played Al Capone who's a great English
actor leaned very heavily into the like
gangster. See, hey, come on. We're doing
all this. But it's like but uh you know
there were other characters who played
kind of just the people in that world
that didn't really do put any
affectation on it. Whereas I feel like
most
>> Yes. Right.
>> He he was kind of timeless in that
performance. Well, there's the whole
internet thing of saying that actors in
period paces look like they have a face
that's seen an iPhone. And I think they
very specifically cast people in the
show who do not. They look like heavies.
Like there's one of the guys who does
not die as what's his name? Scott
MacArthur, I think it is, who's a great
comedic actor. He's uh I think he was in
the other two. He was also in he's in
Running Point on Netflix right now.
>> Oh, I love that guy. Yes.
>> Yeah. He's really funny. He does nothing
in the show. Like to the point where I
was like, why why is he here? But part
of the reason he's there is he looks
right. He looks period appropriated and
he channels it.
>> Well, and part it's interesting you
bring up Boardwalk Empire because Jack
Houston uh who played what was his name?
Richard. Richard Harrow on Boardwalk
Empire is Sandman. He's I mean he's
older. He's gained a little bit of
weight because he was like so gaunt in
that show.
>> Um and then both performances, you know,
he just has that face. He's got that
mustache that just makes you think like,
"Yeah, this guy belongs in a poster from
a movie in the 1930s." Beyond that
though, beyond um like our thoughts on
the casting as far as this being like
because it is it's it's a Sony verse
spin-off, right? These are like Madame
Web. This is like Craven the Hunter and
all these things that we've hated and
made fun of. I don't know how they could
screw up Venom Horse, but they somehow
did it. So, this is a Sony verse
project, right? Um, I'm curious if you
guys think that the Sony verse will
continue. And before you keep go, before
you answer, I do have this clip from uh
Sony, I think he's the CEO now, Tom
Rothman, talking about the Sony verse.
>> Where are we in the Spider-Man
franchise? Not at the animated
Spider-Verse. Is the larger Spider-Verse
dead? Are you gonna go back to those at
some point?
>> Yes,
>> you will. But it'll be a it'll be a
fresh reboot.
>> Yes.
>> New people. Okay.
>> Yes.
>> So, there you go. Um,
that to me says, yeah, they still think
this is IP that they can milk and
they're looking for ways to do it. I
kind of think this is the way to do it.
Do you think this is part of the plan?
Do you think we're going to get like a
like a Penny Parker um anime movie? Do
you think how far do you think they're
going to take this? I
>> I think the thing that they've always
needed to do that maybe they're finally
realizing after several decades is they
just need to not get over their skis on
any of this stuff. Like every time
Spider-Man is successful, they say,
"Great news. We're going to make 16
other movies that don't have Spider-Man
in it." And they finally did that and it
did not work. So, taking a step back and
particularly turning to Phil Lord and
Chris Miller who have done so well with
the Spider-Verse movies and are just two
of the most reliable guys in
entertainment, you know, kurfuffle with
Star Wars aside, I think having them be
behind the scenes and give them the time
to do what they needed to do with Spider
Noir. I don't want to give them full
credit, but certainly has to give them
some credit there. And if they continue
to allow them to be shepherds, perhaps
take that approach, not do the thing
that not to call out any specific names,
but like that AB Pascal has done before
where they go on a red carpet and
they're like, "We're going to do a
scorpion movie. He's a real scorpion
now. He's a large scorpion." That's the
idea of the movie. They're like, "What?
Why are you doing this?"
>> Remember when the rhino became a rhino
in the movie Craven?
>> Remember that?
>> One of the best parts of that movie,
honestly. I was just going to say I I
hate to say it, that was the part of
that movie that I do remember. Like I
like that guy. He played that he played
the Rhino so unhinged in them. Like he
was
>> So far they're two for two for with
Rhinos between him and Paul Giamati who
>> I mean Paul Giamonti was more comic
accurate. He definitely has that. My
favorite part of the Rhino fight though
is having it be referenced in No Way
Home as I fought a man. How did he say
it? I fought a man. not in a rhino suit
or a rhino costume, but he had a
particular wording for it. No, I I
fought a man in a in a rhino costume
>> and that was a nice call back to that.
>> Yes.
>> Um,
>> are there what other aspects? So, you
mentioned Phil Lord and Chris Miller.
So, obviously just getting great
creatives with a great track record and
then letting them do their thing. And I
think you're right, the Sony verse has
always had this thing where, okay, well,
let's put a bunch of people in Amazing
Spider-Man 2 and tease this Drew Goddard
Sinister 6 movie, which didn't need to
happen. They could have just, you know,
Drew Godard's a genius. They could just
let him make a Sinister 6 movie and not
necessarily include tie-ins that bog
down their current projects. Um, do you
think, you know, Tommy, do you think
there's going to be any kind of other
things like this? Maybe spin-off of the
Spider-Verse films or just micro
focusing like or what would you like to
see might be a better example? Yeah, I I
think I think that what this show did is
what I would like to see in the sense
that it it the the movies in the
Spider-Verse, not not the not the
animated, but like the live action Sony
was they feel desperate to tie in to to
the Marvel Sony co-productions if they
can. rarely allowed to reference Marvel,
but like they feel and you see in Madame
Web when obviously they re-shoot and
rewrite and start taking stripping
things away, there's a vacuum left in
there of like this should be tying in
and our minds now conditioned as you
know comic book movie lovers are like
looking for those tie-ins. I felt no
pressure to do that during Spider Noir.
I felt like I could just enjoy the fact
that they have this like five decade
long career movie star carrying like
doing TV and he's done so much good
press explaining why he wanted to do TV
and how he evolved into that opinion as
a you know person who always looked down
upon TV and then he watched Breaking Bad
during COVID because his son told him
you have to watch this show and he fell
in love with Brian Cranston's
performance and he became envious of
Brian Cranston having the time to take a
season to explain and to perform the
character and wanting to then do that
and then the thing that he does is
Spider-Man like it's like it's like he
doesn't go to Vince uh Vince Gilligan or
he doesn't go to like you know David
Chase or somebody like that and it's
like write me the most intense drama
character. He's like no I'm going to do
this fun animated I'm going to do a live
action version of this fun animated
character that I probably spent three
hours in a recording studio doing and I
and that was it. Yes, the budget is
astronomical on the show. So, what I'm
about to say doesn't make sense. We'll
get to that in a second. Simple. Like,
it was like it didn't require me to do
anything else but just enjoy what I was
watching. And I feel like get the
people's get some cache with your
viewers and your fans by making a couple
of these that are really good. They
don't have to give you like
>> this is Peter Parker's gonna swing into
this in season three. You know what I
mean? Like, I don't need that. I just
love this stuff and this show allowed me
to just love it, you know?
>> You know, Nicholas Cage though, he did
this because he's one of us. Like he's a
comic book fan. I think he still goes to
the shop on Wednesdays or in my hometown
Thursdays because we were a day away
from every, you know, like one day later
than everybody else. Um, the one thing I
think about this show really has going
for it is the no connections. I think
you know the MCU I remember there was a
when screen crusher really took off we
were doing Wanda division explaining all
this stuff then there was a meme that
went around the internet that was like
showing how um if the Lord of the Rings
was made today and it had like all these
fake movies you know like about like um
the the tale of Bard from from Lake Town
is his own movie and Gollum's movie and
ironically they're making a Gollum movie
now and that's when I first got the
inkling that like on the popular level
on the voxuli
people were starting starting to get
franchise fatigue and feel like they had
homework because there was never that
Avengers movie or that payoff. Whereas
the Fast and Furious franchise,
>> it's just one franchise. I mean, it's
they got the Hobs and Shell spin-off,
but it's just that. I think you make a
good point and and I also think that
when just real quickly when when you
when you insist upon tie-ins and when
you like, you know, you set up all these
tie-ins, you run the risk of getting
kind of an unfair criticism of your film
if those tie-ins don't work, you know,
or if they're if they're underwhelming,
all of a sudden that becomes a criticism
of a movie that doesn't really have
anything to do with the actual movie
itself. It's like, I didn't think that
the way they set this up was good
enough. And it's like, well, what did
you think about the story that was told
in the two hours that you were in the
theater? But it's valid criticism
because they put it out to the general
public. So, you know, when you relieve
yourself of that pressure, you also
can't underwhelm anyone with it. You
know what I mean? Like when there's no
promise of it, there's no chance of
people being like, "Yeah, it was good,
but the way they tried to tie it into
like, you know, you know, whatever, like
Gwenpool didn't work for me."
>> Right. Well, yeah. One of the smartest
things I think they did which was a
little janky but I they had to do it was
that narration right at the top of the
first episode where he says somebody
want to ask me what universe this was
>> and I kept waiting for them to come back
to that waiting for like Miguel Hara to
approach him in the postredit scene.
They didn't do any of that and that's
great. No, I was relieved because then
the conversation about it becomes how
does this set up beyond the
Spider-Verse, not about the show itself,
which told the beginning, to Tomby's
point, beginning, middle, and end of a
story all in of itself.
>> It would have been pretty bad if uh
we'll get to season two in a second, but
it would have been pretty bad if they
would have forced in another character
or like if Felicia Hardy would have
been, I don't know, bitten by a magical
cat and gotten the black cat powers at
some point during this. it just wouldn't
have worked. Um, I think the right way
to do these connections I, you know,
we're working on a Captain America:
Civil War breakdown now. That movie does
it perfectly because it takes the
characters of Spider-Man and Black
Panther and it makes them important to
the story they're telling
>> instead of I Amazing Spider-Man 2 is
probably the worst ever because it's
literally just like walking down a
hallway or shoehorning in the Green
Goblin when really the movie didn't need
him, you know, and was a big
distraction. Do you guys based on this?
So, let's assume that the next thing is
this good, right, where they commit to
the genre and everything this much. Do
you have a Sony verse spin-off apart
from Craven 2, which we all want, that
you would really like for them to to
make based on like spider stories? In
fact, the other day, um, Alex, you
mentioned a an R-rated a mature only
Spider-Man movie that sounds terrible
terms terrible to me that I would never
want to see. Is there something you guys
want to see, though? Well, this is
actually going backwards, but the
project they didn't end up doing, Silk,
which was going to be show run by Angela
Kang of Walking Dead. I was very
interested in that. I used to cover
Walking Dead a ton. Talked to Angela
Kang a lot. She's a very smart writer,
very thoughtful, and really took that
show from a janky couple of seasons to
give it a pretty satisfying ending at
the end of the day. So, I was excited to
see what she was going to do with Silk.
And when they canled that, I was a
little bummed. For people that don't
know, I don't know what they were going
to do in the show, but the basic thing
about Sulk was she was also bit by the
spider that bit Peter Parker and was
then locked in a bunker by her parents
for decades. So, she didn't experience
the outside world. Um, and that's why
you didn't know that she existed before
then, but she has the same uh powers.
There's I think some agorophobia going
on there if I remember correctly. Um,
and I don't know. I It would have been
interesting to see that. Maybe they went
for the nic not maybe they went for the
Nicholas Cage thing instead because they
could sell a movie star in there versus
potentially whoever was going to do
Silk. But
>> I don't know, maybe if Spider Noir is
successful, they can go back uh and
reassess that because I think it was an
interesting project.
>> Silk had a bit of a controversial thing
too. Dan Slott, who created the
character years later, said um he
regretted there's one thing about Silk
where she and Peter are always horny for
each other because they were bitten by
the same spider. He said he regretted
that because it played into Asian
stereotypes, which I was not even aware
of those stereotypes until Dan Slott
apologized for them.
>> Um but still, I presume if Spider-man
wouldn't even have been in it, so that
wouldn't have been a thing in the
series. But interesting. Tommy, were you
going to chime in?
>> Well, yeah. I just think like on a fun
side, I would love if they did an
animated Spiderham series. Like if they
just did a
>> Oh, that would be great.
>> 20 minute episodes of Spiderham's World.
Like I think I think that that also is
something they could do relatively easil
like not I mean it's tough to do
animation, but it's like that's not a
huge ambitious project that could be
done really well. give us like, you
know, 10 episodes of an animated
Spiderham series and get more Goodwill
and then and then maybe, you know, try
something more ambitious a couple years
down the line.
>> I would like to see a Spiderham series
done in the style and animation quality
of a Saturday morning cartoon.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Maybe maybe because I've been watching a
lot of He-Man stuff lately for the video
we put out today. Um, but that to me, if
you go back to that, because there were
some great, like Beetlejuice was a great
Saturday morning cartoon and it was a
lot of fun and kind of manicaniacs, you
know, I think there are creatives out
there who you could hand that to and
that would be fantastic. But I think
what they run into with streaming is
>> they'll do the absolute minimum number
of episodes that they can get away with
and call it a season of television so
they can keep cost down,
>> right?
>> Because they want you to subscribe to
see that show and they don't care if you
keep watching after that. But the
Spiderham would be great. I in terms of
live action, maybe this is just me
thinking, okay, well, period dramas,
what else can we do?
I I love the idea if they were ever
going to do a Silver Sable story. Silver
Sable's one of the few characters they
were talking about doing a spin-off with
where I was like, that kind of makes
sense because she's, you know, got this
international espionage thing. She's
tied to her home country. She is a
character who you feel like was on her
own journey and then she her journey
wandered into Spider-Man whereas
everybody else tends to just revolve
around Spider-Man. So I thought maybe
something set in the 1960s do some cold
war espionage. That would be really fun.
Catch me if you can but in a spiderish
universe. Something to do with
Spider-Man. I think
>> can I throw two more quick ideas onto
the pile while we're doing
>> one? I think it would be fun to have a
Daily Bugle show.
>> Yes. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
>> OH MAN.
>> Uh just from their perspective, it's a
lot like Yeah, it's kind of like a lot
like Gotham Central, the comic book,
where the cops were like, "God damn it,
that Batman, I hate that." And that book
was great. They took a lot of that and
used that for Gotham and then kind of
threw it.
>> I thought that's all Gotham should have
been, but that's a different rant. Yeah.
>> Um but that would be super fun. The
other one, which 100% never happened,
uh, for reasons that will become
abundantly obvious when I say this out
loud, but I legitimately think a great
live action show would be Madame Webb.
>> The setup that you have at the end
there, it's Charlie's Angels, right?
Like Madame Webb sends them out on
missions every single week, those three
Spider Girls.
>> That would be super fun.
>> And and they are also at this point big
stars. I mean, how hilarious is it that
Sydney Sweeney did a superhero movie and
that's
>> that's the one it was. That's absolutely
crazy to me. Or I cannot remember the
other actor's name, but she's also very
great.
>> Um,
>> all right. Let me ask you guys, let's
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will. So, let's talk about the budget
for this thing, guys. $400
million.
That's crazy. Some outlets are saying
that number is exaggerated. But here's
where this news comes from. Okay. A
stunt member who worked on Spider-Man
Noir claimed that they shot on a true
noir set with most of the buildings
painted green, brown, and pink to
contrast better in black and white. The
color pass was originally not planned
and required a year of re-shoots and new
sets to be built. We do have a still for
this I was supposed to put up the whole
time. Another crew member named Arsenio
J. Alvarez, badass name by the way, uh,
specifically said it was Amazon who
wanted the color pass and not Sony
because they produced it together. So,
because of this, the rumored budget for
the first season was $400 million,
although some outlets are saying that
number is exaggerated. Holy crap. Can
you imagine that? How in the hell did
they start off in black and white and
then the studio noticed?
It's fascinating to me because my
understanding without knowing the
technology was that True Hue, which is
what they referred to the the color
version as, was just they went in and
digitally colored the black and white
film. And I guess I didn't realize that
they had re they had shot everything
twice.
>> Well, they didn't exactly. There's so
many weird conflicting reports about
this, including this uh threads post
that we put up here. It's very confusing
because I had heard Nicholas Cage said
in interviews that the color was because
of him. That he specifically felt like
teens he said didn't want to watch black
and white so he wanted to make sure
there was a color version. There was a
story I want to say it was in Esquire
before the show came out where they
talked about that they basically used
this tech where they shot it with two
plates in the same camera. So they did
shoot black and white but were able to
get it in color digitally as well at the
same time. And then what they did was
kind of turn it up a little bit. And so
that's why I was surprised to see this
threads post because the way that I
understood it is like they lit
everything for black and white. They
shot it for black and white, but because
they knew it was going to be in color,
when you do watch it in color, you see
it's not it's not the pinks and greens
and all the things that you do for
faking for black and white. it is coats
that pop and backgrounds that pop and
things like that. So, so I'm I'm not
sure exactly what is the truth here,
>> right? Probably somewhere something in
the middle. But I will say, like I said
at the beginning of this video, you
know, we have Amazon co-producing
Masters of the Universe this weekend as
well. And by all accounts, I think the
budget, they said somewhere between 200
and 250 million for it. And I don't
think there was ever a world where they
imagined that it would make like the its
opening box office would make even half
of that. Maybe half, but like you know,
I think estimations for it are coming in
around like 40 to 50 million for this
weekend. And they seem fine with it.
Like it's like Amazon I mean it's Jeff
Bezos is one of the richest men in the
world. He's the leader of Amazon
obviously. So it feels to me like I said
that like I can almost believe that the
budget ballooned to 400 million. I doubt
it's that actual number, but I bet you
that they started with a pretty
substantial budget as well because
Amazon is like much like Netflix is one
of the few studios that is still
throwing huge amounts of money at
projects just kind of being go make it.
Yeah. Apple, too.
>> Apple Apple's cos the purse strings a
bit, but they do as well. I kind of
think with um He-Man,
they probably looked at it and said,
"Well, it's it's Mattel. It's another
Barbie thing. So, this now we'll do a
Barbie that appeals to the male market."
which by the way is incredibly silly
because Barbie is a fantastic film
whether you grow playing with them or
not. Yeah.
>> Well, this movie not as good, but I do
enjoy
>> I know I know this isn't a Masters of
the Universe box office stream or
anything like that, but I think the
other part of it which you can't
discount is they're selling toys off of
it on Amazon. So, that's how ultimately
they're not going to make as much money
the movie, but yeah, they're going to
get to that. And I don't know how that
feeds into Spider Noir because I doubt
the Spider-Man Noir comic books are
flying off the Amazon shelves right now.
But
>> I don't know.
>> Well, again, like think about when
Spider-Man when Spider Noir would have
been green lit, right? So, probably two,
three years ago, right around the time
Spiderverse came out was a huge hit. So,
I think that Sony was, you know, trying
to shop it around and they obviously,
you know, maybe weren't looking to do
Disney Plus because there's all these
weird copyright things with TV and
Marvel and Spider-Man. So, in a lot of
ways, Apple was the right fit because
they would pour money into it just to
have more exclusive uh I hate this word,
but it is really content for their
streaming service. And they don't really
have any superhero stuff on there. So, I
think it's almost like, you know, you
want that quadrant that they always talk
about where they need more of like thing
X on their streaming service. So, it
feels like you have to have that
streaming service. It's what HBO did for
decades. That's how they attracted so
many people. Well, and that's why the
release schedule for Spider Noir is so
weird to me because what you're saying
100% makes sense to have the people from
the boys at Invincible who are like,
"Where's my next superhero show?" And
just like, "Great,
>> we're going to put it up one or two
episodes on MGM Plus, which none of you
subscribe to." And then we're going to
dump every single episode in two
different colors on Amazon instead of
rolling it out weekly when people we
would have been talking about this for
eight weeks. It's crazy to me.
>> I know. I I never understand when
streaming services will take a proven IP
and do this. Now with Netflix and their
model, I get it a lot of the time. Like
if they would have dropped say Squid
Game week by week, nobody would have
ever watched it. You needed to binge
that show. Uh but again, it's I think
it's because we think of the model for
streaming in terms of longevity. You
know, like if if we like a show that
runs for 20 episodes and it releases
every week, we look at that and go,
"Well, I'll be subscribed for 20 weeks."
They have data that probably shows that
if there's a show on Netflix that I like
and it's eight episodes and I watch it
in two days, um I'm just I'm not going
to cancel statistically right after.
It's too much of a hassle to cancel.
There's other stuff to watch. It'd be
very weird to finish the last episode of
something and go, "Huh,
>> log into accounts. Let's do this." Like,
nobody does that, you know? And I think
that they just bank on us forgetting we
have subscriptions. Or like you said,
Alex, we've watched Invincible. We've
watched The Boys. Oh, wait. Don't leave
yet. Here's Spider Noir. And then it's,
oh, don't leave yet because we have VOT
Rising. And they always try to keep a
constant stream of something. But
honestly, like I don't think a lot of
people have finished the season yet
anyways,
>> just based on like the metric I have
right now of how many people are
watching and the views on our review
video. People are taking their time and
I'm glad because I don't think this is a
show you should binge watch and, you
know, watch on from your phone like
this.
>> Um, let's get to a couple super chats
here, guys. Um, Arman, who I believe is
one of our store owner members, thank
you so much, gave us five pounds and
said, "Hot take the color version is
very good. The collars and suits all
felt right for the era and not at all
like it's an afterthought. The color
grading is fun." Do you guys have a
preference?
>> Black and white 100% for me. They
definitely lit it for that. They
definitely made it for that. Uh, the
color stuff I agree when they're on set
looks really good. The problem for me is
the second they get outside, the
lighting is all off. Like particularly,
there was one scene that really stuck
with me where Lom Moore and Morris and
Nicholas Cage were sitting on a park
bench outside on their back lot and you
could just see the makeup caked on
Nicholas Cage. The hair looks fake and
everything and it's like
>> ah this isn't working.
>> Yeah, I I agree. Black and white's the
way to go with it. Although I did watch
probably the majority of it in the true
hue color because I am a teenager at
heart and reject.
>> I watched most of it in color just for
um Easter egg observation because I
noticed when I watched the trailer I
missed a few things that were in black
and white. So I am I am now going to get
to go rewatch it in color or in black
and white with my wife. I will say you
and Alex that's a great um observation
about like the fight at the end between
him and Megawatt out in the street does
not look great and I haven't seen it in
black and white yet. U I did think
however the scene where Cat sings in the
club is fantastic in color. It really
pops to the point where I would tell
everybody just go watch that scene in
color. That's really great. But yeah,
they definitely had a pallet of Pulp
magazine covers and they stuck to it.
>> Yeah. And the I mean about the fight
thing, I will say since I sort of
switched back and forth and I ended up
watching not the show completely twice,
but like tried to watch most of it in
color and most of it in black and white.
The black and white really smooths over
a lot of the fight stuff. Like the car
fight in the second episode, is it the
third episode? uh looks great in black
and white. Once you switch over to
color, you're like, h, I don't know
about this. I don't know. This looks a
little fakey. Um, and it emphasizes the
whole goofy Batman 66 nature of some of
it, and that's good. So, if you do
prefer color, more power to you, but I
would say black and white all day, every
day.
>> I just think Nicholas Cage wasn't
performing for I don't He may have said
we should do a color version, but his
performance is not for a color movie. It
just isn't like it is like hey,
you know, like doing that whole like
growl like I couldn't even find a
detective like that's not what Humphrey
Bogart actually sounds like in the
Maltese Falcon, but that's what we think
he sounds like in the Maltese Falcon.
>> My favorite thing about this is that he
goes another layer in when he's imp when
he's trying to break into the apartment
complex and he calls himself uh Boris
Carlo and then he's like, "Oh, maybe
it's under my stage name." nine Frank N.
>> That was the part
>> very Beverly Hills cop.
>> All of that that and him going and
talking to the different cops and using
a different accent each time was so
crazy to me because I'm like you're
already in a film noir paste and now
you're doing film noir accents in the
this is wild. It's great.
>> And he knew what he was doing, man. He
understood the assignment. Phila from
Down Under gave us eight Australian
dollars and said, "Love the show. The
noir aesthetic was pitch perfect. the
framing beautiful and the performance is
captivating. Lots of pays for Doug.
Well, I'll get I'll pass that on to Doug
um here in a minute. And Doug Doug got
some shots this week. He didn't react
well to them, so I uh I had to give him
some extra attention this week. He's
doing great now. He's up and running
around. He was shaking. I looked down at
him. He was like like shaking from fever
and I was like, "My dog's dying." He's
doing good now. I'll pass on that treat
for him.
>> Yeah. all around. It's weird because I
feel like bad superhero things um that
come out actually do more damage than
the good things do good at this point
because people are maybe you can call it
superhero fatigue, maybe you can call it
mid fatigue, but it seems like when
something truly great comes out, it
doesn't get like the popular attention
that things used to like with W division
and stuff like that where everybody was
talking about it, which could just be
that we're numb to it. I don't know
curious how that passes on to Star Wars
but go ahead.
>> Yes, for sure. And I also think though
that there is a rush to declare
something not being talked about on the
internet because I could I can't tell
you how many times on X when I looked
for Spider Noir discourse there was a
tweet that was some flavor posted over
and over again by like why am I not
hearing anyone talk about Spider Noir
with like 50 respon I mean it's great
engagement bait because 50 response
that's all everyone's talking like
anyone I that watches stuff like this is
talking about it. So, I feel like I
think that the binge release of this is
hurting its like being a phenomenon in
terms of people talking about it, like I
think if it was building and we were
like, you know,
>> getting to enjoy this weekly or drop do
do it like how the boys used to do it
where it was like drop two one week or
three to start and then, you know, get
everyone hooked on it and then release
them week by week. But I I think I do
think some of the thing like there's an
urge anytime something comes out whether
it's a movie to declare it dead at the
box office after Thursday night previews
or if it's a TV show to declare it
nobody's watching it because it's going
to guarantee that you get engagement on
it.
>> Yeah, it makes sense.
>> Yeah. And I think a lot of it also I
mean there's a lot of things going on
there. One, uh the conversation I feel
like has turned from superhero fatigue
to just franchise IP fatigue more than
anything. You know, we've been talking
about that a lot with
>> back rooms obsession. There's the basic
digital circus.
>> Yeah.
>> And the Monsterverse is another proof of
that. And the Fast Movies, which used to
be Billiondollar Behemoths. They're all
kind of losing steam. Sputter to the
end. Yeah.
>> The audience is tired of it. They're
tired of feeling like, "God, I got to
see this for my homework. This is my job
to do this thing rather than this is the
fun thing. I can relax and see." And so
whether it's good or not, it almost
doesn't matter. And clearly the three of
us like Spider Noir. Mostly everybody
I've talked to also likes Spider Noir,
but that's a wall where people are like,
I don't want to see that. And it's a
bummer because this is the first time in
what is it 50 years or so that we've had
a liveaction Spider-Man show. And they
should have been treating it like that
instead of, mind you, it is a weird
project when you're like, "Oh, it's a
liveaction Spider-Man show that's set in
1933 starring Nicholas Cage as a film
noir Spider-Man called not Spider-Man,
but the Spider." Also, he's not Peter
Parker. He's Ben Riley. Also, he's a
different character than he was in
animation. Enjoy. So, like there's a lot
of
>> Oh, and also you can watch in two
different ways. It's black and white and
it's color. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Uh unless
>> Yeah. It's too many things like so there
are a lot of walls there for people to
get into this specific show, but I don't
know. I feel like there was a way for
them to sell it or figure out just being
like, "Check out the first liveaction
Spider-Man show in 50 years." That would
have been cool to people because
generally people like Spider-Man.
>> To that point, Arman also adds for two
pounds, it's a miracle that this show is
not a surf Dracula. It really, it is
crazy. You see something like this, you
hear about it, you go, "Oh boy, I that
sounds I remember there have been so
many things I have heard about. Hell,
when I heard the title Wanda Vision, I
thought that sounds awful. God, what are
they doing?" You know, I love when I'm
wrong about stuff. This thing I was
never questioning. I was like, if this
is a real project and not just a dumb
rumor I've heard, I think it's going to
be great. Gio Katsi gave us five euros
and said, "The way to go for Sony is the
opposite of Marvel. You have the
animated movies plus characters and
expand their story or backstory in
individual shows." I don't think it's
the opposite. I kind of think that's
what Marvel does. I think they have, you
know, Well, I mean, I understand what
they mean by that, though. Marvel
definitely like would start with a big
project like Civil War and then spin
characters off from that. I just think
if you make something and it works and
people like it, stick with it. I think
it's that simple. Whatever grabs
people's imagination. You had Nicholas
Cage voicing an animated character and
he wanted to keep doing it.
>> Take the win.
>> And like we were talking about earlier,
just have a bunch of things that are not
connected. They're all in their own
universes. They're all their own shows
running. People will accept it. And if
they do work, you know, let's say random
example, you put out five shows. two of
them work, three of them don't work.
Follow those two shows. Those two shows
can cross over then and you don't have
to worry about the other three.
>> Yeah. Don't feel like you're obligated
to go back to the Incredible Hulk. Uh,
you know, 16 years later, Ric Flair's
hairs gave us five bucks and says, "Hey,
Tommy, can we get a Ric Flair?" Woo! As
Nick Cage
>> as Wow, that's layered. Okay. Yeah. So,
>> yeah, you're an actor.
Well, I'm a highflying limousine driving
wheel and dealing KISS STEALING SON OF A
>> Very good. Very good. I got asked to do
a who day earlier. Um, you know, my
wife's my wife wrote this play with
Colobby Mini and another and Alice. Oh
my god, what's the last tickets are on
sale now? Yeah, Kremlberg. Thank you.
and Alice Krimlberg uh named Camping and
uh I got to do a voice I hope makes it
in. I got to do an old who day chant
like well do that in my sleep that's
from the 90s and Phil Rumba from down
under gave us eight gave us three
Australian dollars and said that should
have been Pat's typo from earlier. You
didn't have to pay the money just to
correct your typo. Uh but we'll but we
do appreciate it. Um let me ask you guys
this. So, I look at this movie too and I
think this is or the show and I think
this is how the multiverse could have
been done the whole time. This is how
the multiverse if you're doing the
multiverse saga, you could have done
maybe a Doctor Strange movie, I brought
this up in our review, um where instead
of it being about the continuing
adventures of the Doctor Strange, we
know the whole thing is about the
alternate universe version of Steven
that turns evil and then our Steven
encounters him at the end. I'm not
saying they should have done that, but
there are so many possibilities. I like
to throw out a Shani movie that takes
place in the in the gritty 1970s New
York. Allah Joker, but that is of course
when Shani first became a comic
following the kung fu craz craze of the
of the 70s.
Spider-Man 2099 is another example. Just
the whole 2099 universe from the 90s
with like this cyberpunk bladeunner look
to it was awesome. And I feel like now
we're at the end of the multiverse saga
and it never really got going as a
multiverse saga. I mean, what do you
guys think? Is this do we think that we
would have liked to have seen more of
these or what projects would you have
like to have seen?
>> I mean, definitely. I think you're
absolutely right. Like part of the
problem with the multiverse saga as it
is is there aren't enough multiveres in
the multiverse saga. Like we have the
MCU, we have the universe where
everything is paint. Uh we have the I'm
forgetting the number designation, but
we have the place that they went to with
the Illuminati in Dr. Yeah. uh they go
there and then
>> where's the what if and you know then
all those you know
>> but they weren't gonna bring in any of
those and like we're talking about the
live action TV shows I think and the
movies because the what if thing always
felt very much the side and they should
have gone crazier like you were saying
had more multiveres so they didn't have
to pull that emergency rip cord of
bringing in the older X-Men at the end
to give us some sort of emotional stakes
with another universe we've barely had
any time to get to know the Fantastic
Four or their universe. We've had one
movie for it. So,
>> for it to be a multiverse saga, there
should have been more multiverse and
there just wasn't.
>> Yeah. I think for me, my my issue is
that when we do have this is the
multiverse saga, and when we do have
movies that are take place in different
multiverses, we tend not to stay in any
other different multiverse long enough.
It's like they're literally falling
through them in that one scene in
Multiverse of Madness. And Yes, we stay
in A38 for a while, but like
>> the I would I would almost prefer to see
the what's going on in that universe or
in that multiverse before our
protagonists enter it. Like, you know
what I mean? Like it's almost like they
they imagine a it's like a movie styling
where like the everything stops once
they leave the room and it only life
resumes once they walk once Stephen
Strange enters the multiverse. Then
people start moving around and doing
stuff. It's like I think if they took
their time and established different
multiveres in this in this uh in in
these in these movies, it would have
been a more satisfying conclusion.
Whereas instead, we're kind of left with
a couple montages and one Fantastic 4
movie and and one 25minute sequence on
838
>> and what if and Loki doing all the heavy
lifting for explaining all this too.
Yeah, it's the same thing we keep
talking about with the multiverse saga.
They just when you when you get a
mandate from corporate that says we want
you to do x number of hour double the
number of hours whatever it is you just
kind of reach a logistical point where
you actually can't do Avengers movies
like you can't schedule that many people
together you can't make that movie while
you're also making all of these shows so
we did miss out on some cool crossover
opportunities like I keep thinking about
like Moonnight and Ramatut like two just
kind of fit like Konchu could have been
>> um appearing in a Kang project or
something like that. But I'm also just
like lamenting that there's all this
great multiversal stuff from the comics
and all this other great stuff like the
the the old the three generations of
Thors that appear in the Jason Aaron run
that could have just been part of time
travel stories that had they been had
the the luxury of a little bit more
breath they could have planned out. And
I guess that's the great thing about
what Sony has going on. They don't have
a ticking time bomb of an Avengers movie
they have to build toward. They can
literally at this point wait for the
right script. And I don't think their
corporate was doing that before. I think
they were saying, "No, no, no. We we we
got to get our movies out. We got to do
our crossover. We need our Avengers
movie." And now, hell, they're partnered
with Amazon to get all the money in the
world on this so they can take all
the time they want.
>> Yeah. I hope they do. I hope they
actually take that beat and think about
it and don't suddenly
panic and pull back to, oh, we got to do
a null thing again and we got to bring
back Craven and we got to do the El
Muerto movie to tie in and we got to
find out what's going on with MorbiiUs
and that cornfield and whatever is going
on there.
>> Remember Elto with Bad Bunny? Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's how I heard of that
character for the first time. And that's
pretty rare for me when they announced
something. I'm like, "Oh, cool." Like
I've heard at least you know you're
aware in the comments you've heard of
people even if you haven't picked up the
actual issue but I was like the hell is
that? Uh Jordan Enrique gave us $5 and
said so is he Peter Parker because
Freckles mentions that he couldn't find
him because Nicholas Cage changed his
name to Ben Riley. Yeah he's Peter
Parker.
>> Right. I think that was a cool way for
them to acknowledge it legally.
>> They didn't they didn't say Peter Parker
though, right? They didn't say what his
actual name was. They just said that he
changed his name. That was such a that
moment in Madame Webb where they could
never say the baby's name is Peter
Barker then Dr. the wall. I'm like come
on.
>> They should have in Madam Web. They
should have called him the child.
>> The vessel. My little hero.
>> Grou Park.
>> Ben Riley Grou Park.
Oh man, that movie when I got I don't
know if you guys have watched Madam Web
lately, but I swear to God watching her
not open a Pepsi can. And I think people
make fun of her to be like she doesn't
know how. And I think No, no, no. I
think it's because they wanted her to do
it and drink the delicious Pepsi and she
was so over working on the shitty movie
that she refused to do it.
>> And in every I will swear, people might
flame me for this. Madam Web is maybe
the most fun I had in a superhero movie
that entire year. Like it's legitimately
a good time in the movie theater. I was
laughing and howling the entire time.
And like
>> Dakota Johnson very funny. I will I will
swear by it.
>> Did you see the critic screening of
Madame Webb?
>> No.
>> Or Okay. So I went to the critic screen.
Now you normally went in New York, you
get invited to these screenings and they
have them at AMC big, you know, they
invite a lot of people. This particular
screening was um at like a really nice
corporate office in a very small
screening room. It's like what I imagine
like rich people their size screening
room you like the White House screening
room that doesn't exist anymore but like
that's the size that it was. So it was
very few critics howling because the
critics are catching all the technical
things like the bad ADR from Ezekiel and
stuff like that. That is like the most
I've ever felt connected to my peer
group in this industry. It was great.
And like immediately Harriet who saw the
movie with me, our one of our producers,
like invited friends over to go watch it
like for her. I think it's become an
annual thing for her since then. Man,
>> Craven's got its fair share, too,
though. When Calypso says, "My grand
then my grandmother died. I never saw
her after that."
>> Yeah.
>> Have I told you guys my my Craven story
when I was
>> I love this story. Tell it again for I
haven't heard it.
>> So, I was at the world premiere. It was
in New York. And a couple things I, you
know, little things I want to know.
Aaron Taylor Johnson knew he was in a
turd burger, but kept did not like walk
out at the end. Stayed, talked to press,
smiled, did the whole thing. He was like
a real class act about it. So I I have a
lot of respect for how that guy handled
himself at this thing. The guy who
played Young Craven, I saw him coming
back from the bathroom after and he
just not like nobody following him,
nobody like he looked so sad. I felt so
bad for him.
>> But my favorite part of the story is
when the director came out to introduce
the movie and talk about it. He said,
"Well, I just um
how did he put it?" He said,
"I can't thank you all for coming here
tonight.
I can't thank you enough. I can't thank
you for coming here tonight." Like, you
could tell like everyone just knew. I've
never been at a an event that big
>> where people weren't I like the
Ghostbusters Afterlife premiere. I went
to that, right? I hated that movie, but
the Ghostbusters were there, you know,
like everybody was super pumped to be
there. They thought they'd made a good
movie. They were wrong. This movie, you
could tell everybody was despondent
about it.
>> They're like, "God, no."
>> Which which is why it's so cool that
Aaron Taylor Johnson was such a class
actor about it. Everybody was like, they
all did their job. By the way, I don't
know who Ariana Dewal's Asian is, but I
hope that she's gotten new
representation. Anyways, Monty G gave us
$5 and said, "Just boosting." He's got
this really nice. She gave $5 to boost
somebody else's comment. K DK Harry G
with a bunch of numbers says, "I finally
made it to a live. Love you guys. Sorry
I'm just broke." And I too, Monty G,
>> have been there at the level of just
broke. Thank you so much, man. I really
appreciate it. Thanks for coming to a
live today.
>> Yes. Thank you.
>> All right. I think we are going to wrap
it up there. But before we do,
>> one last thing to note. Nick Cage on
season two. While speaking to Variety,
Cage was not sure about a season two. He
said, "I don't know, but I would say I
can't do a Nicholas Cage impression, but
I would say what whether it happens or
not." What I was doing there was I've
never tried to do a Nicholas Cage
impression, and I thought maybe I got
this. Maybe this is like the first time
I did a Kermit and it'll just come out.
So, he said, um,
>> I don't know, but I would say that there
whether it happens or not, all of us
achieve what we set out to do and it
works on its own. We'll see what
happens. So, that's if Spotter Noir was
played by Nicholas Gage, but um was
played by Kermit the Frog.
>> I don't think they're going to do it. I
don't think they should do it. I'd love
to see it be a one and done.
>> Do you guys have any thoughts?
>> I just think it's
>> Where would Where would season two go
even? You know,
>> uh I would be happy to watch the second
season because I had a fun time watching
this first season. I think it's just
production-wise too heavy of a lift. I
mean, whether it cost $400 million or
less than that, it still cost an insane
amount of money. It took a ton of time.
Nicholas Cage has also said in
interviews that even though he did want
to do TV, once he did eight hours of G,
he was like,
>> I'm good. That's eight movies. I'm done
now. So, I don't know if he'd come back.
He's also 62 years old at this point.
So,
>> yeah,
>> you're going down the road. You're keep
kicking it down the road. It's going to
become harder and harder for him the
further you go. But if they were to do
it, there are a lot of storylines. They
didn't touch on any of the story lines
for the actual Spider-Man Noir comics.
So, there are things that they could
pull on there. Uh, they didn't bring in
the Goblin who is the next Bob Boss. I
personally think it would be hilarious
in the comics. Silverman goes from a
regular gangster to a old man head on a
cyborg body. So, what if he survives?
What happens to him at the end of the
season and he becomes a cyborg? That
would be great.
>> He's got a steampunk body. That'd be
great. Like all gears like like the Tik
Tok man and Return to Oz.
>> Love it.
Sorry.
>> Yeah,
>> I forgot. Every time I think of that
movie.
>> Yeah,
>> it's scary. That movie is terrifying.
>> It's really scary. Yeah,
>> that was a real thing that just
happened. You actually watched a little
bit of like spike trauma happen in my
face just now. I gotta go, guys. I got
to sort this out in therapy. All right.
Thank you guys so much. Oh Tommy,
look at the time.
>> Oh god, I got to get back to work,
fellas.
And by the way, enjoy casual bottom
Fridays.
>> I will. Thank you. Always a casual
bottom over here. See you.
>> Bye, Alex. Thanks so much. You got
anything coming up you want to let us
know about?
>> Uh, sure. I mentioned it the other day,
but Tuesday at 7, we're going to have
the team from IDW's The Horror of
Godzilla, which is a black and white
horror movie take on Godzilla, uh, from
his origins. It's a pretty cool comic
book. So, that's going to be on the
comic book club channel.
>> Great. And do you interact much with
Heather Anttois, by the way, a long time
ago?
>> Um, I do. I've uh talked to her a bunch
of times. I knew her from back in the
day when we used to do the show live in
a theater and she was still an assistant
at Marvel. She used to come to the live
show all the time. So, she's great.
She's
>> great. When we started doing lives, it
became suddenly really hard to get her
on the show because um she's a very busy
person who travels a lot. But uh
anyways, yeah, check that out next
Tuesday. We'll have the link for it down
below. Thanks, Alex.
>> And we want to hear from you guys. What
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