[00:02] Away keep customer as king. it is a mantra Since Day One. [music] What was his major obsession at that time? There is a famous Amazon flywheel. First
[00:16] Jeff Bezos draws on a paper napkin Was. So one day the flywheel starts moving Was. So one day the flywheel starts moving will be. Was His Faith. And if it moves, it will move. will be. and we will keep moving and we will take Up Everything.
[00:33] Around four years. So why did you leave it? No matter how much you say, finally So why did you leave it? No matter how much you say, finally You are still today
[00:45] Bad, very bad. Imagine [music] that you're in the movie If you see then you are carrying a laptop. You If you are driving on the highway, park your car. You will do it and then you will solve it. You decided I understand, but why do other people Living in guilt, what is stopping me?
[01:00] Living in guilt, what is stopping me? America did not try to stop them there. A big system has been created if today Harv's Any research is published and people talk about it. that the whole world should do this
[01:12] Policy changes every curriculum in the world changes what the case study there was What was there, an institution that had 400 Its impact at Global was made a year ago. The scale is so large that a man or a The organization cannot do it.
[01:28] Speaking of Ivy League colleges, our No name of the country comes up. If you go back a long time ago, Nalanda and Takshashila were talked about. What This is a big controversy for you. I asked the question.
[01:40] How are you making sure we are doing it? Yes, he is different. We address that gap Are doing. And what exactly is the gap? They are making degrees. So what are we making? We are on three levels The thing that the university actually has to do
[01:55] The thing that the university actually has to do Needed First Is What We Call This is not the podcast that you will finish. If you listen, you will remain a human being till the end. I don't know about a thing or a topic will be. You will observe that the knowledge you have
[02:09] She has gone to a different level and things to look at oneself, at problems, The perspective has changed. Why a middle The boy from a class family said all India Rank 72 and IIT Bombay No placement despite having a degree
[02:26] Decided to sit. Why did he buy Amazon? Joined it in the early days of 2 years To leave her inside and come back to India Took the decision. IIT jobs in USA, A company like Amazon helps millions of people This is a dream life. Why? He feels that it
[02:43] This is the path made by the society. I thought Not the path. This is the story of our guest today. Shobhit Mathur ji who is from Rishid University Co-founder and Vice Chancellor. And this Co-founder and Vice Chancellor. And this Episode: Millions of people should not make wrong decisions,
[02:57] Will save you from regrets and unsatisfied life. We learned from him what happened to Amazon. Inside when the company was in its inception. How? What was the discussion? What kind of [music] goals Were? What did he do inside Jeff Bezos? observed which today made him one of the
[03:11] Made him the richest man? what are those things What has Jeff been adamant about for the past 15 years? We started from IIT life to IIT Talk about the shortcomings. Reason for IIT teachers Is it because of this or is it because of the students? understood. When he changed the education system
[03:25] If studied closely, what is India is keeping behind. Why universities? They are making degrees, not humans. We had their Many interesting stories are also known about when he What did you learn after travelling across India? of India What did they get from every corner? a minister
[03:39] How to Talk to Her in Convoy I parked my car and entered his house. End How does Mostent know that the ladder we climb His wall is fine. so right Consistent in life for direction To grow and realize your potential
[03:54] for this podcast to last [music] Must watch.
[04:06] What next? So I think As I said, there are primarily many People sit for placement. some people Go ahead for studies. But what studies We I think there are probably only three in the whole batch.
[04:21] I was one. Good. Yes. There are many reasons for this. One I think of me He did not find those jobs exciting. He is one Early indicators will think so for someone Perhaps working was never in my mind.
[04:33] We One is probably Telangana, where I come from. Hyderabad is a very cultured place to go out. And to settle in the US. So that is also a And to settle in the US. So that is also a Due to the societal mindset, I also went to the US.
[04:46] Applied for PhD programs University of Washington, where Microsoft's headquarters is in Seattle I happened to be there. So to go there Got the chance. Lot a fully funded and a Fellowship that says you should pay us
[05:00] Big privilege because many people go there I pay from my own pocket, otherwise Some campus jobs there. So that one Well, I mean, when we got the offer, we went out. Reading.
[05:14] It is now interestingly if we You will think that it is the head quarter of We At that time Microsoft was a household name. Is. Ok? But we got there and Amazon is a
[05:26] But we got there and Amazon is a Startup. Who had come there just then. So Sell ​​books on the internet. not that much People knew it. Right, this is on the internet. It is a book selling company. But a very fascinating problem statement.
[05:40] It was his because he had a big e-commerce company. The challenge is that being online 24 hours a day stay. Right? So I did an internship there. I am very I liked it because my primary area Of work is database speak. So the back end
[05:53] Architecture that lives, not that runs The system is not front end, it is their It was a very critical task for me because sometimes Also, if the website is down, sales drop. And because I have to buy the book Is. Should I buy from here or here?
[06:06] It happens. There is no loyalty. So the order drops. So one for them It was a very critical thing that it was running 247 365 It was a very critical thing that it was running 247 365 To create a system. I had a small company
[06:19] My employee. Good And they are running it in a rented building. He didn't even have his own building. So If they hold a town hall, everyone says Quarterly CEO Jeff Bess He Wood Call Everyone
[06:33] Sitting in a rented auditorium In the auditorium, the city's so-so type of I would like to work in the company again. That of a risk appetite like IIT Bombay chose over Madras By the way, choosing Amazon over Microsoft
[06:47] What was Jeff Bezos's obsession at that time? What was his major obsession at that time? What was his major obsession at that time? Pay. I think Jeff Seed's If One Thing People Can take away is a very simple mantra and Only by sticking to that will you see the customer
[07:02] Those who talk about centricity now It is a mantra since day one Yes So we are customer centric we will Keep Customer S King It's just become management jargon.
[07:15] But I Think Jeff Bezos Has Lived It For His Entire Amazon Tenure Let me give you an example. In 2008, a global You will know that there was a financial crisis. Oil Price Shot Up Right Now Oil Price Per Barrel Even today is around $90 at that time 20
[07:32] A year ago, it was up to $150 a Barrel. So oil prices really shot up like Crazy So obviously fuel price will go up Amazon has shipping costs. So Amazon Prime was launched then.
[07:45] Interestingly enough, 2-day shipping At This Costs $79 for the Entire Year and All That stuff. So the whole team is saying whatever There are thousands of employees sitting there saying, Sir, you Change the price of Amazon Prime. You Have kept it at a low price. When the oil
[07:59] Costs have increased. And anyway it's a loss Making company and will go into loss and worse Same as I promised to the customer Am. I will continue that. Very interesting, not that the company could also sink. Is. But I promised that I would
[08:13] I will sell it at this price. Cost of Prime That's it. interesting what he did is he Said that you should reduce the packaging size. Find Innovative ways that cost you less packaging Size You should reduce the size of the parcel. So the whole Companies started thinking how that thing happened.
[08:30] I have promised the customer something, so I Will fulfill. I think not many CEOs is in. The whole of Wall Street is saying that you are in loss. Oil. When I saw some of these decisions, I felt
[08:46] This way. Same thing Windle. Kal is a product that It will cannibalize your own books. Tomorrow when people will buy at a lower price You're killing your own market then People said why you create your own competition
[09:01] doing it inside the company But he said it will make it more convenient And the initial Kindle's use case was actually text books if you go and trace take away I can compress it into a Kindle so
[09:14] Textbook form factor only Started Kindle Actually Eventually That All expenses for novels etc. To keep customer centricity in mind and To keep customer centricity in mind and Doing everything with the same orientation I think and
[09:26] The same mantra and nothing else, everything itself will Repeat Every All Hands in the End He Will Say Customer is King We Have to Service the Customer Increase selection, reduce price, selection Increase the price, reduce it, that's it, customers will come will remain and we and he brought the company out of
[09:40] Was in Loss for 15 years and then right now it's a household name okay It's a simple mantra, but just sticking to it. I've been doing it for very long against all odds So I've seen them do it And as if their business was traded
[09:54] In customer centric personal trading you What do you think made him so successful? What Made Him One of the Richest Persons I think one trade we should learn and maybe I also tried to apply a little bit.
[10:09] that you can restart the business if it Is needed from anywhere So these are the selling books which I have given as an example. Dia of going into web services hum hum Why would we do that? I think she's ours There is no capability either. We build a website
[10:24] Selling the product. We We are not in the business of selling We are not in the business of selling Technology to others. So imagine that Where did brain waves come from? If you think right? All of Amazon's servers are created for the
[10:40] Capacity of Black Friday sale or Christmas Eve sale. We There are only two spikes in a year. whole year Our curve remains flat. Two spikes come Are. Thanksgiving and Christmas. Server on It has to be made for him. Otherwise, you might crash that day.
[10:53] If it goes then there will be more problems. whole Year Server is underutilized. Year Server is underutilized. The ability to think that I am in this space and who I am Compute is I will rent out. I don't think it is easy to think. He is
[11:07] Not a tekki tekki. He came from Wall Street Were. But the ability to think about everything How do I monetize and I can create a new I will create a business stream. Will remain. They will think of something else that this should be reduced. Let's save money in such a way that you can
[11:25] You are doing something but going back to first Principles and Identifying Some Others to do. Then going back and starting one More Business Stream. Tried the phone but it didn't work. Butt Eye I think very few people have such ability.
[11:38] Saw. Launched Prime That Was for Shipping But eventually he bought various things and Streaming It is a completely different product From His E-Commerce Website So I think this ability is in very few people.
[11:54] So I think this ability is in very few people. It happens that we think of new business streams. Thinking from the fundamentals and building on them And bring in a conglomerate type of whole thing again. Very Fascinating How was the work ethic?
[12:06] It is bad, very bad People still speak it today. I think it's very It has become better. I am still fascinating If you talk about stories, then there is a thing called a pager. It used to happen in the late 90s. this is Primarily used by emergency services.
[12:21] Somewhere in the US, firemen use it. medical doctors use that it's a One way communication. You will receive an SMS On your pager. It will beep very loudly There's a fire here, get here or Then this patient should reach the ICU. So
[12:34] We used to have pagers. can you Imagine? Meaning, if we think about it now, people will I won't even do the job. Everyone has a pager in their pocket You can travel anywhere. you are anywhere Yes, you will need a pager. Because if the website is down then our pager
[12:48] Because if the website is down then our pager It is saved. And we will get the website back within 15 minutes. have to back up Or escalate if you haven't. And how much is your overall performance appraisal? The website was down time.
[13:02] So imagine you're watching a movie. You are carrying a laptop and travelling on 2G network. You are carrying a laptop and travelling on 2G network. If it rings then I will do it even while watching Don 2 [laughter] You've solved problems somewhere. If you are sitting in the temple and something is happening then you
[13:16] If you are driving on the highway, you park your car. You will do it and then you will solve it and you will take the flight. If you are staying then you will tell that the flight is in 2 hours. If you are in the You will pay and then take the flight and then start again Always on, always on, because for whatever reason
[13:32] Say it can crash and it can crash. right now There are a lot of clouds. What is the challenge that There are a lot of clouds. What is the challenge that There is a catalog, the user is logged in, credits There is card payment. There is something there. Any one of 10-15 things in a sequence
[13:48] Butt card looks empty. You are checking out but not making a payment. Did not come. Anything can happen. for that reason Customer drops. So failure rates
[14:00] It was very high. Actually initial does of If you look at Amazon, there is heavy attrition. We Because you have, especially in some teams Because you have, especially in some teams Always on so that's okay. I think more than that
[14:14] Those who did not leave, why did they not leave? No, people had a lot of faith in the company. No, people had a lot of faith in the company. This thing, look at some things, work ethic is very Tough But That Being Said Clarity of the CEO And constantly showing that we're headed in the right direction
[14:31] Is. We Even today if you search, which first Jeff Bezos drew it on a paper napkin. Amazon's Fly Wheel So hee sez how to increase selection, price Reduce How to Keep This Thing Running. So
[14:45] The flywheel will start moving one day. Was His Faith. And if it moves, it will move. and we will keep moving and we will take up Everything. And right before our eyes Dec. There Was a Book Store Company Called Borders. Which got closed. we we
[15:01] People said this will not happen, how will they go? He will buy it online but it breaks in front of us. It We And many e-commerce companies started. And closed but they who the faith is in the
[15:16] The Clarity of Vision and Early Success which was showing that by being like this So People Continued and People Stuck Around. Many people were standing there. Now I will later I meet people. They stuck to Amazon And the company went somewhere after that. Yes
[15:31] So That's simple first principles thinking. Having the conviction is repeating the same thing over and over again. Connecting the entire team Why would it be
[15:44] And he did I think after that in 2010. After 12, of course people buy Amazon. Story but before that world street also Did I trust them as much? And he made that flywheel. Made on a paper napkin
[15:57] Made on paper napkins Yes, Vai Early Early Days 98 99 around today also Amazon or exactly today Amazon is the same It runs on a flywheel. This is what they have to do. That's all you have to do and Once it starts moving, it will keep moving.
[16:11] So you will get more money. You will be able to Make Better Investments. We reduce the price Will bring it. Very simple clear thinking. You Let's Understand Shobhit's Point Off view here. One according to you The organization became so big but at this level
[16:26] Was there work ethic or employees at this level? was being told that even while watching the movie You have to do this wherever you are. What is right now We I have to serve the world on that passion.
[16:40] If you want to create jobs based on passion, then this one You will have to get the part And if they bring these parts, then somewhere We create mental health work pressure that too. Are doing. So what is an entrepreneur? Direction take your perspective?
[16:53] Direction take your perspective? See the one I think I'm not as much as you too Maybe the judge thinks about work-life balance. Work-Life Balance Has Value But I Think For the first few years of your life I I probably won't do that now, I probably will.
[17:07] Responsibilities. At that time I am a fresh Engineering graduate and I am a technology Why did I spend so many years learning? 20-22 years of study? not for the same thing I will do something about this thing. Right? It's a word for that I think is this
[17:20] If we think about learning opportunities, if They are giving me a lot of useless work, that's fine Yes, change the color of this button, do this and Keep doing this, then it is not right But I think if the challenge is being given that This has to be done and that fairly
[17:34] They were also compensated financially because So talent is breaking away from Microsoft to Google. All these companies were rising at the same time. Google also came after 2004. So them So, of course, they are compensated financially. They also give challenging problems that do
[17:49] So for an engineer, don't just think about money. I think this is a learning opportunity. I've seen him that way So how much time have you been associated with Amazon? Around Four Years 2005 to 2009
[18:02] So why did you leave [laughs]? No, like you asked in the beginning. JE rank was also one of these three things If the thing is found then something will happen to the people too. If the thing is found then something will happen to the people too. I don't know. I still have a technology
[18:17] I don't know. I still have a technology I like technology. But I think I like technology. But I think Few things, one is this my highest Potential. Meaning, very few people view Let's take it. He was telling me about the placement.
[18:29] Let's take a view. It is very clear in my mind that if I If he keeps doing this then what will I do? So I came Will Possibly Become a Good Vice President At Amazon, some handle in one vertical I will do it, I will have money, I will have bungalow, this is one thing
[18:43] But when I saw other Indians over there I think it's a very philosophical point, but A Deep Regret Is at Least One of My Generation who is still in the US They feel that we left the country as a guilt. He will still wake up this morning in New York.
[18:59] He doesn't read Times, he reads Times of India. read or whoever reads Indian news There is a huge Theirs is a disconnect from society. Used to be. They think I am all I left my parents and came here.
[19:14] Went. My life is over but my children It is not with me. So I saw that It is not with me. So I saw that Where are my seniors and such What do I need in life? do i want to get Old and Die in the US? One if simple
[19:27] But there is one question very few people ask. So The obvious answer is no, if I have to go from here The obvious answer is no, if I have to go from here I don't feel about the society and people They will not accept me as their own here and that It was clear that it was still a white Anglo
[19:41] Saxons speak Protestant. It's the country that is, no matter how much you say it Finally, you will still remain an Indian American. Even after five generations, you are still called an Indian American. It will be said only. You are Indian first and Then you American. This is how we refer today
[19:55] People will only say American. no matter how much you say That I was born there. That is one thing that a belongingness He is not connected to the society. Second I He is not connected to the society. Second I Think More Fundamental That Time I Got
[20:09] Involved in many things. for example I have taken a break for a couple of months. Amazon. I think very few people do this. And me In South America.
[20:24] There is a small country above. His name is Surya. Its population is 5 It may not have increased. So I asked for an opportunity that
[20:36] Put me in a tough situation that life is There. It's fine. I Know Where It Is No. Me and someone else, my potential Will not be identified. Why? Why did you want it? Life to me I want to do something different. It has to be unfair.
[20:51] Because when [laughs] to unease. Sorry. So when you what I'm telling you is that the Ability to ask questions that First principles of who I am? My Is there any other potential? See because Maths, Physics, Chemistry were okay, JE
[21:05] The rank has arrived. I got good marks in it So I went somewhere to study. because I Got a job. It Seems Like It's a Good Track. All these things are correct. But maybe I Do I have any other potential or not?
[21:18] So I am what I am trying to Understand there was some trigger, some There was some influence, there was some reading, You asked such questions about the company. The guy says okay, studies are done, let's go to Amazon. Joi Karo So I think one thing I did
[21:34] After going to the US, I learned a lot of Participate in student activities Maybe one is that finally I made it so one Kind of a freedom of the mind that until then So friend, he was asking what is his CGPA. Now let's go to the US and do something new.
[21:48] So I belong to many Indian communities I got very involved in activities and did it. End Actually, if I reflect now, right? that a tremendous success that the ability to
[22:00] Mobilize People for a Cause: Some Activities To get it done. I did this a lot. means over there For the first time we had an Indian student Council type created. Connected people. All of us who are from India They used to come to pick him up from the airport.
[22:14] Stay at home. good for them Finding apartments and settling in, some Helping with jobs, driving license helping people in No one said this. But it turned out something like this And we kept doing it and I felt that each hidden
[22:29] Didn't even explore it. To this day, I myself I was thinking about my marks. How much will I get, where will I get admission, job Where will it be installed? When you first hear about someone else When I started thinking, I felt very bad. There's something inside me that's just naturally clicking.
[22:43] Yes and it is working. So I felt that I had a missing thing. I never explored it in life. If I will join Amazon, I know what will be. But how will I test that this is mine? What is capability? So a very
[22:58] The inspirational thing was that I think 2004 There was a tsunami in India in December. we we For the first time I saw that on TV Volunteers who are working at some level Tremendous work is being done that this is so big
[23:14] When the tragedy happened, I thought, friend, there are people like this too. It happens that in such a tough situation people I did a lot, people even left their jobs and went away. Helped the victims of the tsunami So I thought I should do something tough. In life. So I talked to some people and
[23:28] Totally out of my comfort zone because I I have not even explored The job is in hand, actually what? Around at that time $500 a month Huge The amount is right
[23:43] They will transfer in Indian Rupees. So there's a huge amount right that type of Getting a salary and giving up what you need You waited so many years for it to happen. If you come back after exploring something, I will The name Surya went into effect for the month. There
[23:58] But I was given the job of computer science. There is no education in the country. in the university only one sorry in that country It is a university and there are no computers there. He said that you should motivate the faculty here. Please start a Computer Science Department
[24:13] Do it. You're coming from the US, from Seattle. had been. A Dutch speaking country where I got to see their I am not even able to understand the language. 1/3 The population is still of Indian origin. Very It is a surprising thing.
[24:27] Neither the cricket team, we feel that their friend Indian names are somewhat like our own. Why do people keep names? That's the type of population. Joe Indian Immigrants Arrived There in the Late 1800s Primarily Western Sorry Eastern UP
[24:42] Reached Bihar from that region. Yes Age slaves are now called indentured labour but Age slaves are now called indentured labour but They reached there like slaves, so their She looks like Bhojpuri Awadhi type of language
[24:54] in South America because they Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Hindi, Dutch, all together Let's say So we are talking, I understand some words. People So while working among them,
[25:09] I attended a computer science department. The university that established Motivated the faculty, explained the curriculum, If he trained, he It is a remarkable achievement. an unknown Country, Unknown Language, Different Culture
[25:23] Go to a very surprising place and have a couple of Achieve it in a month. So somewhere inside me It was not that there was something else inside me. There's Potential That Maybe It's Not Just About Computer Sciences. Right? So this is another matter. One from the society
[25:37] The touch that made me feel like this isn't my country. And the country may also not accept me as its own. The second thing is that my potential is something else. Also has given this. The third thing I think is That as long as we are here, we are of India Value doesn't think so much. when we
[25:52] They become a minority. We go somewhere else If so, we think that then I have to read I started and felt that my friend has a lot to say about the country. It was a great value. I have left but Something in it. A civilization that is thousands of years old Is. There must have been some difficulties. But we
[26:05] Can do something. So a combination of multiple things. India Ka Patriotism Bole US A Disconnection Bole A Leadership Potential That was unexposed What I felt was that primarily in the social sector
[26:18] Some leadership for the community Not Typical Corporate Leadership These Three Resigned and came back by the next day's flight. Gone Frankly where I'm from But I did not ask for a job transfer.
[26:32] He said that I don't want to do the job and I will come. went and back after no backup no nothing no No backup No For one year I did not draw any salary or anything.
[26:47] I did some savings there. K and Dad's credit card type so Year But but before we go ahead to that time when How much did someone resign, some fear, some fear Insecurity about the future in mind at that time
[27:03] Take I think interestingly no completely Lee the Ojoit I still remember when I joined the company. Leaving aside the laptop, backpack, ID card, and that You left the company and walked out the door.
[27:17] So then that shut forever it is shut and us If you quit your job, the next day you are Technically Illegal You Don't Have a Job Right You have to leave, say Immanence of Freedom You have to leave, say Immanence of Freedom Can I, for the first time, have someone
[27:31] You are not following the set path, are you? You can think for yourself what you have to do tomorrow. How I Think Like a Fresh Entrepreneur I will feel that I can create something. Till now I have read about the society Benchmarks followed that the rank of JE
[27:45] After studying computer science, Amazon job, green card, H1 whatever It works. Right? Maybe for the first time, you You can think of a path and you will go to your own country. You are living with your family. So I think that Was a Big Thing That
[28:00] A weird sense of freedom and confidence comes It is from him. We I still remember that feeling very well. That allowed me to create something new. If I were to take some things with me, okay? Will try it for some time. Amazon's
[28:15] Try something else on the weekends while working. Will take. It is not like that. So let go of the chance I left it when I got it. When I resigned from the flight to India For. What was in your mind? Reaching India What to do? what was there any plan
[28:28] in your mind at that time? There were some plans. off course like That One idea was definitely to travel a little. should be done because typically like my Life was once beyond school and college studies
[28:46] I will have So if we want to do something for the country and something new If you want to find it, you should travel to these places. If you read anyone's biography from People have already done the travel, that trip From when Gandhiji returned to Swami
[29:02] Everyone has done this since Vivekananda One should travel to understand the country. I made contracts when I was in the US It was about which people could work in such a country. You should go and meet him. So I thought I would go there first
[29:16] Will go around and meet people. genuine meet inspirational people and then from there You will automatically get a next step. I think that as a philosophy Complexity theory also says that you Give yourself a chance to have something to emerge from
[29:30] Then you will again fall into the same trap which In the last 20 years, you were Plan it and then something will come out of it Then plan something else, that's a mindset don't have to Things will unfold as you do it
[29:46] But for that, a little strategy on how I met people from different places in the country created. So good that this time it was clear to you that I 10 years, 20 years or from the treasury of the society I will not go. You have had some conversations
[29:59] It was started there. what is going on in the country Is? What can I do? You have your interest Surya naam also gave you that tasting Ground That this thing is connecting me. It looks good.
[30:11] Two or three thoughts are coming to my mind here. first that What you said was that when the people there What you said was that when the people there If we go abroad, suddenly the roots of The jones increase. wall Street Instead of reading, I am reading Indian news.
[30:23] And I can completely understand I am from Amritsar. My roots are from Amritsar. So consider me to be from Punjab. So half Classmates are from Canada, US And once they move out, they know all the news. Of Punjab. They know everything and they know nothing
[30:37] Is. And they also feel guilty. And as you said whenever I went to the US I have noticed that you can do whatever you want Yes, in premium to premium find line yes.
[30:52] He realizes that you are somewhere else. You are from You don't belong here. One It happens in. Everyone faces this. Right? I listen to everyone. We So why don't people come back and mean
[31:07] I understand that you have taken the decision, but the rest Why are people living with that guilt? What is stopping them from stopping there? The huge system that America has created The huge system that America has created And all credit to that country that best
[31:21] We will attract the world of talent They have created a system professionally. You will get a lot of success if you Merit is if you are good then without any Politics you will keep moving forward that that is One system very stable smooth everything
[31:35] Works that might be struggling a lot here Does matter. So all basic things are taken Care. So the more we think individually If you think personally, America will take you. Towards the best. But when you think that I will be respected
[31:48] will get. I feel a part of society I will do it. Whenever people say something about you If you think about it, then you will feel that maybe America That much you need if you are outside that race
[32:00] we we You can look at the entire American history. A Forget about white. only white male Presidents have been other than the exception of We So it is very difficult for immigrants
[32:14] Assimilate and rise to a leadership position Go. You will probably become the CEO of the company. But You see, there are very few founders. Even today, we feel very proud after seeing the list. Let's say Satya Nadera is Sundar Pichai And we keep counting the names. how many people
[32:28] He established his own company and took on that leadership Position has been reached. at that level There are no political leaders either. Social There are no leaders at all. So you will perform There are no leaders at all. So you will perform Well in your lab in your workplace. Perhaps
[32:40] To that extent, America is fine. But if your Aspiration is beyond that you want to do something Aspiration is beyond that you want to do something If so, then America will not give you space. And you will also feel a little unfulfilled. So I think those who are thinking that my
[32:53] So I think those who are thinking that my House, car, SUV, kids, that's fine with them. America is fine for that. But the people ahead of him to a little That place is not the best place. How was the beginning? How was your
[33:06] Childhood? I think since childhood one I think Character that parents have already installed There is a lot of discipline. then I will not Always call myself super smart in that If you have kept something on sense then on that Working long hours and with dedication
[33:22] So the spirit was already there. So that is one advantage. I think another thing If you look at the time purposes of that time, 20 Years back. So it's primarily There is talk about it. A little bit of math If you are good you do this. So definitely if
[33:40] Maybe it may come out but Ranks always very good in school. So his Read on and do well. in maths If you are good then go for engineering. Is. Ah and naturally JEE and IIT is one big
[33:54] Aspiration for everybody that something will happen from this. So we studied with that mindset. I think And Cape doing well. I said very calmly, did well. But I mean you are an inspiration. So I would The more you tell us, the more inspiration we will get.
[34:11] But I might not know that much. Because it's your life. So I would want that I know you are very humble, but I want you to Tell. Don't say well. I read that it Was 72nd rank, All India rank 72 and that It is an achievement.
[34:26] Right? So What goes behind such a rank like this that reaching such a top rank end Then IIT Bombay which is a top IIT What goes behind many students You may also be watching the podcast It Will Help
[34:41] One thing they see is definitely hard work. So is the most important ingredient if you tell me So very traditional teachers at 5:00 in the morning. I wake up at 10 o'clock and teach you, I have one who is wherever
[34:53] I took JEE coaching from a college in Hyderabad. Very traditional old teachers who There are university professors there Training was given that if 1 minute at 5:00 in the morning If anyone arrives late, he will have to stand outside. Parents will have to be brought the next day. By the way
[35:07] Type of traditional teaching which is based on the subject Focus on the above and definitely hard work. You Required from 5:00 am to evening Completing homework, maintaining a regimen That then you have to wake up in the morning and reach on time. So A lot of hard work is definitely needed.
[35:21] I think Mentorship is needed at that time, which is ahead Seniors from us I have cracked JE, that is the era of internet. How to approach exams that is definitely needed I think and
[35:37] Definitely a big family Investment in the sense of the entire family Environment Goes Around How Do We Take Care of These Children Remove I will give you because you are family are talking about. My two year older one He is the elder brother. He also attempted JE
[35:50] So I attempted in 98, didn't make it. I attempted it in 99 but didn't make it. Imagine the pressure that is on me when I I attempted in 2000 because my elder brother Those aspirations were not fulfilled. So The Whole Family Is Focused on Weather This Guy
[36:05] Will make it. Ok? So, Butt family's The support that everybody is dedicated towards Taking career breaks. Everyone including My elder brother used to do my homework.
[36:17] College so that he can focus on JE. So At that level I think of a family involvement that is not typical in India Any family can think that children Say So I Think It Is About My Personal Involvement of efforts of course teachers
[36:30] Guidance from some seniors along with of Of course the emotional and the whole support given by The Family Is Very Intent to Make Something Like This happens. And that is one beauty of South Asian countries or in countries like India where
[36:44] together That this is round, it is not yours, it is ours. Country Or great, when we reached IIT Bombay And so I've been there, it's a beautiful I love campus, but I'm just a
[37:01] As a guest, he went and came back, but how was how What kind of transition was the change for you? It was there for you when you achieved that goal Think very very different world that ever Living in a hostel outside the home is like this. Primarily it is the North and Western
[37:18] The Indian crowd that is there is cultural. Challenge is one thing that is one secondly Hostel living and eating is a big challenge. I think the biggest challenge right now is when I I read that he is a huge Emotional stress is also felt because
[37:33] Emotional stress is also felt because Now there is a batch of 33. Ok? They are the best In their respective schools and colleges. But someone has to come last. This is typical. So no one ever faces failure in life.
[37:47] So no one ever faces failure in life. Happened. But I think whatever I have in my life I have studied in very good institutions. But The IQ density I obtained from IIT Bombay Looked into computer science. Maybe I saw the US I haven't seen it either, not even on Amazon.
[38:00] Because share comes raw talent. what does it mean That by genius like now we are Vaibhav Suryavanshi It's not a trend person. means it is by Nature is such a person. Nature has given us something
[38:12] Advantage. So there will be people who think that Hindi Must have studied in medium. There is a very had been. It is happening, it is not happening. But He will tell you the answer just by looking at it. So such people I've seen Which Is Shear Genius. So At some stage you will accept everything
[38:28] Not every man can be right. then you Find Others That Excel at Something Else So I think but it seems like a year or two, friend I will show you how this is not happening. I will show you how this is not happening. What were your different ways to find out?
[38:40] In which you have discussed diversifications and If I add [nasal sound] I think like Academics were okay, I would say that I was not at the top. But definitely was doing okay on A big significant change at that time if
[38:53] If you see, the internet came to India. This was in 2000 and IIT Bombay Vas getting computerized. So in some rooms in the hostel, somewhere
[39:05] There used to be a desktop. a computer lab It used to be and the first time I felt a penis, you We will build a high speed network. So I came Think Big Achievement if you tell that the whole
[39:17] System of Building the Internet for IIT Bombay at That Stage. So working with Faculty members and doing that for me. If I see it, I experience it
[39:29] If I see it, I experience it Sound surprising that time was rashand that you If you are a fresher then your Wednesday is from 6:00 to 7:00 You will get access to the computer. So you can book for that one hour slot which is common This happens sometimes in labs.
[39:42] in Computer Science but from the common hostel Infrastructure is there, at that time everyone's slots I was supposed to meet you at this time. Now if you think about it, you can get a 5 MB read account. If you think about it, that was a big deal. So when Gmail came and they gave a meaning I think
[39:56] Things that Very Fairly Accepted for Us Right Now There are things. Space time compute all this meeting which right now Normally we think we are very rational that Being a computer science student
[40:10] Limited. So this is a very limited thing. Forest The fascinating thing I will tell you is that Joe Change 2003 There was a Cricket World Cup in
[40:26] So India Reach the Finals is a very famous thing which We are moving towards the quarter-finals. We One Against Pakistan It Became a Huge Thing Cricket matches would still be streamed on TV. It was right, so there used to be a whole TV room.
[40:40] In the hostels, everyone is sitting and watching And the capacity of the hostel is 400 and the TV room The capacity is probably not even 40. [Laughter] So people would sit on each other's shoulders and play the match. To see. But as I was telling you, as a
[40:54] Computer Secretary and Building the Land infrastructure and we also a little yes a lot boldly announced that we Yes, we will show cricket matches in everyone's rooms. So Whatever we watch streaming on Hotstar right now
[41:08] Yes, it seems like a very obvious thing. But that Time Streaming on Your Own Device Not even phone desktop pe lana a fairly It was a difficult thing. Cable to TV used to be that you could We used to bring it to the TV and watch TV. So the cable
[41:22] It contains a TV tuner card. They Put it on the computer. Then it's from analog Creating a digital signal. make it a server and Beaming a cricket match across the room Because it is not possible that that TV room I'll be able to watch the finals in everyone's rooms
[41:37] And it has to be streamed parallelly. It is not that This wicket fell here but it was heard here. Not given and buffering is happening here. So I think I should deliver it to everyone at the same time. Technologically Huge Challenge What we cracked was that server for that.
[41:51] He made a fan and placed it on top so that the card Don't get burned because there are so many parallel Connections want to watch the match together. So A huge success, unfortunately India Lost the match.
[42:03] [Laughter] One of the Experiences is streaming now. The 2003 final was held in all rooms in March. in our hostel Joe again if I think about it Same challenges were there at Amazon when I joined
[42:19] did we that huge traffic is very bad at Christmas time Products are ordered together. On Thanksgiving, they call it black. So a lot of orders come in at the same time. Amazon servers meltdown, so how at that time
[42:34] Do that and I am an engineer there too. Was. So All these experiences are somewhere in life which may be useful in future otherwise maybe classroom So I learned all this while doing it. Not many times even regarding hostel life
[42:48] especially those who are in school or who Would not have gone to the hostel or those who had gone Is. So you said that initially when you go So hostel challenges, food challenges. So What was the challenge? What were the challenges? When
[43:03] You suddenly left the house, Staying away from parents, protected Exiting the environment. And then I Will of course ask what memories were made of? [Laughter] Challenges if you think about it in the first day
[43:15] Challenges if you think about it in the first day First of all he reached there in a local train. Yes, he carries that aluminum box. Butt reached there after changing two stations. When I went to the breakfast table, I saw a This triangular piece is seen in brown colour.
[43:30] I had not seen Apparently it was bread pakora, okay bread Pakora is fairly normal in some places But this is not the case here, it is all This bread is like Idli, Dosa, Vada etc. I have never seen what a pakora is.
[43:44] Imagine by Surprise So I couldn't even eat that, right? So I couldn't even eat that, right? Whereas this is just the whole thing, that is one asset. But The rest of the children come from hostel background.
[43:59] I first heard of something called Kota. We all have come from Kota. Maximum Batch Quota Is from. And I don't know what this quota was. Was. Right? And all of them live in hostels Have been here. So those people themselves mean their Rough up some bass. Ok?
[44:12] Rough up some bass. Ok? And we are coming from home with many dociles Are. So one night at 12:00 someone would knock Is. He says, come on friend, let's play cards. I [laughs] So because their normal hostel This is life. He has been doing this. Right? So this
[44:28] Interacting at the level with the completely Different sets of children who are completely different Let's think. they have roughed up in some way Ragging happens, whatever amount of words is said and It was actually at a severe level. Because of the regulations that have been made now
[44:43] What kind of ragging was there at that time? Now I understand what a severe level it is. No, he will even do a complete strip. And March in the practically used to happen Exactly like the Three Idiots that you see. is not too far from the reality that was
[44:59] Infact of time 5 Someone also came out at the same time so the book which It is based on Three Idiots, so all this then This is tough to handle. I think this is what I said It is said that you will become tough and here it is Friendship is also formed which is good.
[45:13] But I think it is tough for Too much to handle too soon. For some children It is possible If I look now, I I'm not surprised that for some people it Delay Capability. That being said, of course, peer group is the
[45:27] Smartest of the country. what they learn from Got it. Life long friends who are friends Specially residential buildings are built in the college are built on campuses You are sharing your failure and success with If you are playing together and staying together 24 hours a day
[45:40] They are life long friends even today. Thickest friends are college friends Thickest friends are college friends Right, those are memories. Or I think of course college competitions Fests provide exposure at the national level
[45:54] People come from everywhere, so doze r Very very positive things I think He also said that IIT as a degree is life long. There is insurance. So you can use that anywhere. Someone Once You Get that you know that ever a guru so
[46:09] I can just leave. So the confidence that comes from that is that this should happen. We can only build it. So I think that gives a lot of confidence. To take any risk in life. [Laughter]
[46:23] [Laughter] So IIT products are IIT products. Students A get top of the packages or should we say so much hype or attention
[46:35] Because he has already cracked an exam. I have done it which was very tough. So that is the reason I have done it which was very tough. So that is the reason The academics are such that the non-academics campus I have something like this. what makes This is a big controversy for you.
[46:50] I asked the question. CI Think IIT's The biggest contribution is JE Let me tell you frankly. Even today, as you did before the interview The rank of IIT is 72. So there is a belief in it. one of his
[47:03] Must have been filtered. We Unfortunately, just like the exam paper leak is happening and as grade inflation is happening If that credibility is not JE's but The number of other exams is decreasing due to that reason. But JE runs IIT himself.
[47:19] NTA does not run it, IT runs it itself and every The year rotates and someone else gets IT. He has achieved one of the biggest achievements. That the right filter is still the level of the exam Broadley is correct, those who are entering Yes, people can say that genuinely this
[47:33] People are academically bright So that's that. After that, a little bit of hostel The culture of the culture department that your peers A circle is formed. Maximum outcome is a combination of your Your level in entry and your
[47:45] Your level in entry and your The circle of friends who are made from the faculty Sometimes research minded children I get some inspiration from this subject. I have to study further. Otherwise frankly the role of academics is less.
[47:58] Meaning the role of teachers and faculty to the child There is very little to shape. We Are Post IIT, some other form is coming out Faculty involvement will be much less likely to occur. He is the cofounder himself
[48:13] To you The children are sitting in their dome room He doesn't go to class and is making excuses to his seniors. Seeking advice or about to graduate We will move outside and bore Gurgaon. If you do it then IIT will
[48:27] But the environment that has been created, the selection Criteria has been made, much of it is the same It happens in. First you did what everyone around you thought was right. and you thought that was right what the world It seemed right. You took the top rank.
[48:41] Went to IIT, went to US, did MS, worked in Amazon I did a job. Then you did what you felt inside. what felt right to you, what felt right to you The emotion felt right. So, what can we say that you are the one you realized that I One was climbing a ladder, but it was on the wrong wall.
[48:57] It was climbing." Wrong wall or this wall is holding me back from my It will not take you to the best. I would like to say this I think like I said, maybe Amazon I would have fixed it too. But what happens is that we When you are climbing a mountain, suppose you are
[49:12] We are in Gurgaon. next to the Aravalli You will climb there and you will feel that friend, I But you have not seen the Himalayas, right? until you get off and you go somewhere else Otherwise how will you climb the Himalayas? So I came
[49:24] Think that is what my call was and many people Purely because of default they say that As has been the case, some decisions have been taken. And I am doing And people go ahead and think that the cost Felicity says that you have spent so many years
[49:39] How will I do anything else in this? So because of that the peak that you have Having reached there, I feel like I have reached Am. But I think a mindset is needed that
[49:51] There is probably something else besides this. If I If I go to Himachal from Gurgaon, then perhaps I And I'll see high mountains that I might climb I can. But people don't take that decision. Is. Keep the buy momentum going. And whenever I restarted it
[50:06] Even after that I think of reaching a higher peak I have got the chance. And I want to continue that mindset. That It is a calculated risk. But still without Risk of You Will Not Reach. And as many people
[50:20] made career switches no matter how old we are CEOs, Founders, Sports Persons, Artists think people have a default Quitting and restarting fresh is a better option. We have reached the peak which perhaps we ourselves have reached. He does not take decisions.
[50:36] So that's from I think I would that Amazon wood have given me something But maybe leave and then barely a 15 It is will to establish one university in a year Not happening. He does not exist today. If I don't do that, that flight won't happen.
[50:49] I would have taken it. So I came back and decided to travel. Did. This is so fascinating because and I We have always heard of Agri I have read that the people who explained the country Yes, I have understood this by travelling. what about you
[51:04] Did you have any travel experience? what did you understand What about India? See Me 2009 Came back in September. end of september Around early November in Eastern
[51:16] Arunachal reached the China border. I have a very old friend there. There he was working among the tribals. Are. I met him in the US. On campus Are. I met him in the US. On campus He had come for some reason and I got to meet him. One
[51:29] You must understand this completely different world It will not come that India can become like this. Different. How different? Now you think that in their text book If it is written Ram and Krishna, they do not know
[51:45] will remain who it is because their folk It is not there anywhere on the floor. Us The world will know somewhere in their myth or their folklore But he is not there either. So just imagine when This thing is in CBSE text book
[52:00] Let's see, they find it very surprising. These things. One fascinating thing is that there The people of the hills have never seen the plains. Is. If you want to explain to the plane that the ground is like this It can also happen. If they had never seen They don't understand how it is possible
[52:14] It can be seen even this far away. He asks like this People asked me questions, so At that time and will still remain true. Population Density is like 18 people per square Kilometers We are sitting in Delhi. [Laughter] So it is like this, take as much land as you want.
[52:31] So it is like this, take as much land as you want. Because everyone is divided by nature. So fights of property are not such things Is. There is abundance in nature and because of that no There is a completely different thought process
[52:43] Of these people. If I go to school, I I am distributing toffees. Here I see Neither will people fight that I want the person next to me Will snatch it. He is so disciplined I am sitting there waiting for it to come into my hands. I will take it because sir is giving it to me.
[52:56] It's not just that I think of nature that much Being close and in such an environment Being close and in such an environment Living both is a different type of ethics Living both is a different type of ethics If there is mindset then geography people culture
[53:10] Completely different and different on every hill It is a tribe because this tribe is from this tribe I have never met him because he never left. Such a culture developed in their lives. When the roads were connecting, people were connecting to each other. Seeing it for the first time, how it is
[53:24] Seeing it for the first time, how it is People. So an opportunity to understand one country as one from Grass Roots. I think even today that's why The memories are so vivid. I named myself I can speak. People can say that this Show. So I think people don't see and
[53:37] People make judgments very quickly. About the country that we are like this and like that. People who have nothing are just as Are patriots. Think about the same country are are are feel. and such There are people in our country even today. So I came
[53:50] Think what the same features are talking about We are saying that if we go from Seattle to Delhi People are talking about the shift. So the difference between India and China in 2009 There is a huge difference. Today is still today. [laughter] [sudden sharp intake of breath]
[54:03] What if we take it in bullets then what top What were your learnings from this visit to India? I think everywhere I went, I was personal My learnings will tell you so everybody said that
[54:18] We need such people because I am a most It came from the mindset of a social worker. Complete your best talent is chasing a Particular success criteria as we JE rank, job, green card, all these things are talking about.
[54:33] People are trying to solve their village I have some problems in my society but There is no talent. Rapid of Talent There is migration. If he earns even a little, he He will also become an auto driver after coming to the city. ATM security guard will also be available. But
[54:47] He is not staying in the village. So when people think that such a man Will go. Just need people. It is not that Need government support, some donation Needed That's why such people are not asking. You You will come and bring ideas. Swades Movie
[55:02] If you think about the story of Shahrukh Khan He had some intention of coming to that village. I haven't done much. just some Bring experts so that the village's water If you want to think, then it's a very true story. So we need such people. So everyone did this
[55:15] So we need such people. So everyone did this He said, come here and stay and improve. Our society will go. Our country will improve. So I thought, what's the problem? These So this is for very simple problems People are struggling and only talent
[55:27] Are asking for. These people have some money and some other things. I am not asking. They are not asking for power Not doing it. There are such people. So all this After watching it, I felt that ideally I I can go to one place and do the work. Then I Created a platform called Youth for
[55:42] Service. that young people devote their free time to society Removed. If you are doing a corporate job then you Teach in a government school for 2 hours. You If you are studying in college then you spend 2 hours Take out the children and teach tuition in the slum
[55:57] To. Such a platform did not exist in the country at that time. In your spare time, you can develop talent Rent it out and give it to someone. Socially
[56:09] The big metros that grow rapidly I was like I am from Hyderabad. 10 The entire city had changed in a year. across the country People are coming there to work. The first paycheck was probably from his father. There might not have been any retirement salary either. that much
[56:22] So these people are coming from difficult places Are. They feel that friend, all this It is here. So it is about the same guilt I was thinking what about us, we have settled down. We What to do? I would have bought a Pulsar with my first salary. In. What to do after that? So
[56:36] So both of them had it in their mind that we should do something should give. So everyone has one desire in their mind. There is also a need for society. then connect it We created a Youth for Service. elder
[56:48] Volunteering at a large scale Volunteering. I think when I was four years old Did that work full time. One expanded to 15 cities. When I One expanded to 15 cities. When I If he left, he would get 2 lakh volunteer jobs every year.
[57:04] Yes. Unique Individuals 2 lakh. We So suppose in 2 lakh years if 10 hours are also giving So 2 million hours The contribution of these talents, which perhaps money
[57:17] And it cannot be solved by anyone else. If I I want to learn maths and I don't have a maths teacher. And you came and removed my fear of maths. How many lives have you changed? So I can't speak English Used to be. There are no teachers in the school or
[57:31] Not good. I want to learn computer but There is no talent. or in a township Helped someone with tuition. government I filled out the form for the scholarship. This way A lot of work has been done and is still going on. The organization is still running today.
[57:45] One is in 50 cities. So this is the kind of The thing that struck me about my visit to India Because there is a lack of talent in the country. everything else We have it. we can. But this thing
[57:58] Wherever I went. people said Stay here brother, don't go. These Solve it. Who is the whole village of his homeland The people told Shahrukh Khan to stop. Go. Why are you going back to NASA? actual In truth, people told me this too.
[58:10] Why are you going? Stop right here for a long time All problems will be solved. So his Building a platform for the nation Expanding the mind and driving it to scale think one for me one from my learning to Building an Organization That's Big
[58:24] There has been contribution. Vai Inspiring Vai Inspiring What is it that connects Urban India and Rural India? can learn from? Wow, I think the feeling of community is there.
[58:40] Wow, I think the feeling of community is there. That we are one. Even today there is despair in the village That we are one. Even today there is despair in the village No matter how many divisions there are, the feeling will be the same. It is very strong and has a big impact. remains. One on one social
[58:53] I get a feeling of security that I I have to go somewhere so I take my child with me Arbor is not possible in India. You You don't trust your neighbor. We So from that a social network and a security which is created
[59:06] That is a tremendous feeling that He has an attachment to his own history. How much would you say if you knew? No, what is the history of this city? Meaning What is the problem with the city trash outside? Why is it happening that we are not getting anything from that land?
[59:22] There is no emotional connect. that this is our Is. Our ancestors have been here. Some? It is a purely professional connection. I tax I am filling it up. Clean it up. My job here But it is. There is a traffic jam. Meaning Community Connect That a Social Net It Takes
[59:37] A Village to Raise the Child. Yes Whatever is said is actually true That's one thing I see that our We know the temple here, grandfather who He is a school teacher, I know this, I know that. He is a big and strong feeling person.
[59:51] He is a big and strong feeling person. Secondly, there is an attachment to the earth as well. Yes, they have an attachment that if this is theirs then It is also visible at the national level when you go out You go but this is I think urban India I am collectively atomized, we are individuals
[01:00:06] We, our apartment, our children, Sir Government Will take some help from. Everything else is privatized I will do it. Will stay in gated area. from there Schools will order it from Blinkit. No one knows anyone's name. Complete Life has become so transactional that we
[01:00:20] Paid money, got some service or not We have raised the complaint and we are Living in transactions. I think this A deep down unfulfilled feeling There is no emotional bonding, right? a human I need this
[01:00:33] that we feel that we are part of a society Are. This thing is natural. I don't feel it right now will feel Who are we? Why are we from here? So There is a very emotional void that remains.
[01:00:48] It does come up sometimes. Joe Urban India, perhaps, if it can create that we are the pride of a city or It is a pride of our society. We are one And we give ourselves to each other by volunteering Will help. This thing, I think everything
[01:01:03] Transactions are not done with money, right? Now! Every service is a transaction. Every service [laughter] True, true. I think the emotional part I would agree with Would. and the Beingness the presence of in the
[01:01:18] From I Wood to Human Beings Now Human doings have happened here. We are not being anything we are doing. And the entire mental health crisis is because of that. So you have something or else you You will go to the screens. You will do something else,
[01:01:30] You will do gaming, everything atomized. my level But, in my bedroom, on my penis Whatever entertainment I need, I get it from someone. Do not interact. But you go out People are still playing wet sticks on the broken ground. Are playing.
[01:01:44] It remains very strong. How did 2 lakh people become yours? How to join With you? If seen very much, then initially it is very tough.
[01:01:56] Because I was in IIT for four years. 5 The year was in the US. So almost a 10 years After a gap of , I went back to my city. So all my batchmates went to the US. Went. Went to work somewhere. So a kind I was not connected to anyone. whatever remained
[01:02:11] Through her many one on one meetings I mean, actually for the first time in my life, I had not learnt it till then. to go to the US Learned four wheeler directly. Learned two wheeler I have. Then every corporate office takes it Go to. Meeting some friends. one of
[01:02:27] After that, he started working in one school after another. Show the results to someone and see this is pre Facebook also means it was in 2010 when Just Facebook was just opening up so it Not that the social network is ready, we have content
[01:02:41] People saw that they came and all this happened. Complete one on one connect to connect to and yourself So tremendous amount of money for me too Learning by the way we talk Hindi at home If I go to a government school, I will learn Telugu. People will speak in Telugu.
[01:02:56] So I learned Telugu, I learned two-wheeler right Worked with our volunteers I taught him and then expanded it like this, but I think one first five six after school
[01:03:09] There was so much traction that it expanded Enough is enough People who think like me have their own Quitting our jobs and starting a full-time team Members who still work full time today Are doing.
[01:03:21] I think people need someone like We talked about business that one Inspirational man with clarity who He has thought about it with full vision. So people think this is right. We should follow
[01:03:35] So people left the big corporates I joined and it was amazing. We [nasal sound] So because of that, I think initial slow which There is a plateau followed by the take-off. is hawkish like
[01:03:48] However, work expanded to multiple cities. So which was not easy earlier sleep after that 14 14 How do you feel like studying again after 14 years?
[01:04:01] Made? [sound of deep breathing] Wow, I think what I told you earlier was a theory. told us right that we constantly sometimes You should go and press the reset button Only then we have something new inside us Discovery may be possible. So through this whole journey
[01:04:16] Na write from a startup in the US I can do that too with my Amazon job and I also led a team to the floods in Uttarakhand. I can manage. a huge exposure and
[01:04:28] I can manage. a huge exposure and Difference we got na but there was a big thought that Friend, we are doing all this. We are 100 schools had also reached Hyderabad and the rest There are also a few hundred thousand volunteers volunteering in the place. Are doing. But the country is not more typical than this.
[01:04:44] It will improve. There was a sense that it is bigger than Dec. something else The country needs it. We give our time to our society We can mandate butt surgery. Something a little bigger will have to be done. Otherwise that body keeps degenerating.
[01:05:00] So usually whenever I have a doubt, I ask a I think study breaks are part of my nature. Because you are disconnected from everything. yes. One comes back to an intellectual group Is. So for me it had worked. So then I
[01:05:16] So for me it had worked. So then I Leaving Indian School of Business at Hyderabad Campus India's top B-school in the world at that time Was ranked 11th and still is the top business school If he is from the country then he went there to study.
[01:05:30] Friends used to make fun of him in such a way that At that time, a movie named Main Hoon Na had come out some time back. The first one in which yes Shahrukh Khan is a senior Student sits in class So I was 32 years old, so I was in the class that was typically a
[01:05:43] There is an MBA class, if the average age remains 25 then In the Further End of the Uncle category, you You have come right then Challenge This Problem Challenge This Problem There won't be any problem in the pierce, I mean
[01:05:58] There was no problem as I was married. I was living on campus with my wife. So The challenge will be that you are much younger and sharper than me. People who have just been freshly minted, yes Someone from IIT is working in ITC
[01:06:14] Someone has worked in many big companies. He has come here and he is your colleague. And it is our nature that wherever we are If you go and work for excellent Compete with them, do that, then off The course was an interesting one
[01:06:27] The course was an interesting one But I think business education is definitely my was very valuable to me because a few Concept Frameworks How Big Company What happens is that big faculty network back and meet different people who
[01:06:41] Coming from corporate life, when my Connect is completely of a social worker category. I think it was tremendously useful There was time. He was only one year old but was intense and Learning happened and friends were also made. a new way
[01:06:56] To Look at Society was also created. So that's an Indian School of Business and at the And when I graduated, I was on the Deans List. Which is the top 10% of the class. Young Leaders received the award because so many I took initiatives on campus because
[01:07:10] What is a Deans List? Top 10% of the graduating class. Is made to sit in front during the conversation. On top of that, if you have done extracurricular activities Receives the Leader Award. So he gave that too. So because I did some social entrepreneurship
[01:07:26] Run competitions. Just like teams are formed there, leagues are formed. It belongs to ISB. I was on his team He was a gold medalist in volleyball. So He was awarded the This Is Like All Around performance I will give you something. Then there was that. so one
[01:07:44] Validation and guess yes You can do it even at this age, I mean when You saying that if we don't take this risk If I don't do it, then the self in me too Then at graduating time McGee's offer
[01:07:58] and Goldman Sachs' derivatives section Offer Now ISB is a McKinsey school. You If you look at the founding team, McGee was Only the top 50 from ISB will go to McKinsey
[01:08:11] One decided that those were made for them. It is his influence. So I think Probably for the first time in the history of ISB It must have happened that someone offered McGee Rejected [laughs] Means for creating your own non-profit
[01:08:25] I withdrew from the placement. So You can do ISB after doing ISB. Did not sit in placement. Sat in placement but did not take the offer. Sat in placement but did not take the offer. Ok. So that goes for Macci's partners too.
[01:08:37] Not there. ISB has been running for 15 years. Any I have never done it like this before. where are you going Yes, tell me the truth. Yes, if there is something like that, we Tell me what are you doing? So their It was surprising for me. For ISB It was surprising. So
[01:08:51] Eventually it so happened that ISB had of a scholarship institute for that its We will pay the EMI for one year. So he named it Rising India. Gave scholarship. And I am the first person to get the benefit
[01:09:04] of that he said that friend you yourself If he goes and does something else, he will not be able to pay the EMI. If we are insulted then take this from you. We will pay the EMI for one year. Because the fees of business school are very high.
[01:09:16] It is more, I studied by taking a loan. So this I think is in the history of ISB. Someone from the non-profit sector going back to the non-profit sector and that Even starting your own non-profit After business school education, he probably has a
[01:09:29] After business school education, he probably has a There are 15,000 alumni today, or maybe more. During this time when you [throat clearing sound] [coughing sound]
[01:09:41] of the service that was operating at that time There was a pause. So I got admission in ISB in 2013. In. But I deferred it for a year. So I can take a year's time Set up the organization. Next Level
[01:09:55] I should keep my leadership ready. So then I gave him Kept the entire next level of leadership ready Did And even today ISB Sorry Youth for Service is on has happened So somewhere in the DNA of the organization
[01:10:10] Setting leadership right Setting the process right so that even after me So it is also going on And that's probably how it's going [laughs]. Great So at ISB we decided that we
[01:10:23] Did not take the offer. Right? So what did you do then? [Laughter] Right? So what did you do then? [Laughter] So, 2014 was an interesting time if you Yes. A Modi ji came to the centre
[01:10:39] After 10 years of a UPA government, A Lot of Hope and With the Huge Majority In. And what I was telling you earlier is that something I thought something big would have to be done about this. Taking the movement to the next level
[01:10:53] We So I think that's when I got into ISB. I I entered in April and the results also came then. So this is a lot in one year at ISB. In. We So I felt there was an opportunity
[01:11:07] A change is also taking place in a country. So if we can participate in some way So maybe what we're thinking about, Working at the level of society, directly You can also do it at a national level. We So during that time
[01:11:20] I came to IIT Delhi because I There were many workshops on how to educate youth Something should be done for the society. So people He also used to call me, friend, interesting story You come and tell me. So IT came to Delhi. If I spoke to someone like that, that audience
[01:11:33] I was a boy named Sahil Agarwal So he was about to graduate. from IIT Delhi. So Sahil then after that I came and met him and said, brother, you are right. yes. You come here, we will do something. So then when I graduated, I went back to Sahil.
[01:11:49] And he has a professor, I talked to him and He said, let me come to Delhi. And we do something together. So we started something called Wiz India Foundation. The idea was that political power had arrived.
[01:12:03] But the government will need good people. Good ideas are needed. That's typically This does not happen in the political system. So we We will train such people and connect them with you. We will train such people and connect them with you. Who will tell you the policy which may be different
[01:12:18] Helps you execute levels do. So again there was no such organization. do. So again there was no such organization. that a public policy train training give Connecting by giving orientation So either in the offices of MPs or
[01:12:32] S consultants or some people in the ministries Motivating you to contest elections also So what is the public for each lemon? Policy We always hear the policy that anything If you are living in a society then
[01:12:46] Who will provide the water for it and what will be the rent? Will the rules be the rules? Whatever rules are made Yes, it is made in the society. Whatever is made at the national level is made public. Policy speaks. So for example, whatever new government
[01:13:01] Needed Just simple, NEET exam will be held on June 21. Is a public policy. It Has Been Decided That there will be a re-exam. There is a policy. So what This rule applies to anyone at the national level. What happens is a policy. So this power only
[01:13:17] It is with the government. who was elected They have a body and they have the power to They have a body and they have the power to How will we run the country? We will make its rules. If you can contribute something to that rule If so, suddenly your impact will be on a larger scale.
[01:13:30] will be on. up to 1.5 billion people and for a long time will be. We And there is no other lever in the country. any other There is no way. If you need a change at this level If you want to bring it and bring it for a long time then
[01:13:43] We If we think that you have changed the education system has to be changed. Everyone thinks text The books must be changed and the industry integrated. Should be. There are thousands of ideas. We Go to the hospital. We are the streets of cities
[01:13:57] The power lies with the government only. If you are any You can bring changes in it at this level. We So the level of change is huge. And it happens for a very long time. So this thing We thought now was the opportunity because right now A new government has been formed. We go and see good people
[01:14:14] By training in your direction, Will add. So, we have an organization like that. We started. In one of my spring groves It was flat. So that's where we started working. that new people will be added and many trainings will be conducted. We created programs
[01:14:27] We created programs that a three week 10 day that you Get trained and then we can help you with something. We will connect you so that you can go and participate. Many people have this in mind, how to do it? If you don't have any idea then more typically
[01:14:41] Education: We have less public Policy education is a little bit in it. Connecting you with the right people by giving you training We did the work and actually it was like this I caught him being very big Because there was an atmosphere too. India before that
[01:14:54] There was an against corruption movement. Then Modi ji There was a change. Then there was one among the people that some do. Young population is small And the government's openness too because it is completely Old system was changing. to new people
[01:15:06] bring in, bring in new people, bring in new ideas, To show that we are different from the previous ones. So we also need fresh ideas. So every Kind of a perfect combination that we should enter into it and tell you that we I will tell you that good people will give you what
[01:15:18] It's ethical, it's trendy And can work with you. What kind of people are associated with you? during? So full time people like Sahil Fresh graduates from IIT Delhi then Rest of the juniors
[01:15:33] Again, who left their corporate job or By not taking a corporate job that much By not taking a corporate job that much Inspirational vision that we are the engine of the nation We will make it which will give to good people and this thing This movement is more constructive for the people
[01:15:46] It's not that we break, we build. So it appeals to many people that now I am part of something constructive So the primary IITians team covers the entire IIT. Graduates from Delhi And with me and together we will make it
[01:16:02] And those who come to take training from corporate Professionals College Students Whoever had it in their mind to join this Needed because impact at scale There is an aspiration in both people that We should change the country, it remains like this, right?
[01:16:16] But if you don't have any idea how to do it then try this Lots of training programs People from IIT, people from IM, people from DU colleges People from all over the country came and participated in it. I did it and even after that I went to many places We continued working together and are still doing so.
[01:16:29] No, this is very true that this one Thought I think comes to everyone's mind. one to all I saw a government hospital and it was like this Should not happen. There must be change.
[01:16:41] Should not happen. There must be change. We face helplessness He created a bridge for people to learn. is ready for because H is already is ready for because H is already But some are freshers from IIT and some from IM.
[01:16:53] is fresher How is he capable of teaching all this? We ourselves are not capable but such experts If you have to bring it, it is not that I taught it. So we have asked a lot of experts who created such programs by adding and
[01:17:06] Got training through them So and Best of the Country Cam because them There is also an opportunity that such high People with intention and passion are being found and who
[01:17:18] If there is no lecture then the fees have been paid forcibly They are coming on their own will and are paying a fee. By giving a 15-20 day leave from your job I am coming to bring it. So this is the best People also came to teach them. So we have every
[01:17:33] The subject may be either economics or foreign Best people on policy or any other subject We And how to tell the government or any I mean How can the ministers and the government reach them? Did you deliver the system or did these people connect?
[01:17:48] How did it become easy and difficult to be open? how much was I think one thing that worked in our favor was that we All in this sense completely newbie So innocence also has an advantage. So we think what we are thinking. They
[01:18:02] Will change. I also think we will change the country. I am speaking. So we go and meet him. So I am speaking. So we go and meet him. So Actually sending out a lot of cold calling emails That we will come and meet you. For example, we Reached the Ministry of Culture. That time
[01:18:15] Mahesh Sharma ji used to be from Noida. MP. So I reached there. we speak Look Sir, the condition of museums is very bad. It's bad. We create great ideas It's bad. We create great ideas I will tell you. I hear it now but at that time
[01:18:30] I will tell you. I hear it now but at that time An aspiration of youth and an innocence that It also appealed to them a lot that Actually people do not have anything to ask for themselves. I am not coming. Actually, no one in the government Someone will come with a recommendation, I want this.
[01:18:42] This is my land, do something about it. any first The bar is saying we are coming We are ready. what are your problems Tell me? We will solve it for you. We So that magic has worked out many times that People said we have work for you.
[01:18:56] Do it. There are some things to review it Do it. I found a good man in my office Give it to us. Someone is coming for the first time and offering to give Many come for this. someone to give to give and the best talent and who this
[01:19:09] Coming from aspiration. This or else someone There is a political connection. Demand something for yourself There have been such people. So like this and that whole new staffing is going on right now because right now No, a new government has been formed, so use that opportunity. By doing this our people can connect at many places.
[01:19:22] It was easy to approach. [Laughter] It was not easy to approach but I think It was not easy to approach but I think Now perhaps the system has become more mature. It was new there too. So as I say to take some daring steps and such
[01:19:38] Because we think it will happen. For For example, when our training programs If it were possible, we would have directly addressed the Cabinet Minister. If we thought we would call him as a speaker, we would If you write, I remember this once. that our first policy program
[01:19:52] If the name is Policy Boot Camp then Piyush Goyal ji in the office because one of our friends who Earlier he was with me in Youth for Seva, now Working in his office. So we I told him I wanted to call him, so he said look. He is currently landing in Delhi.
[01:20:06] He is currently landing in Delhi. You can go to the airport and meet me at some time. I will tell you that I will be there and introduce you. I will give you that time, then you will Take your camp with you, otherwise I don't know. If it is not in hand
[01:20:19] Their VIP exit is separate from the exit. It happens that when you reach there, you are asked who you are. You guys, sir, I just want to talk to you about something. Okay, okay, I'll see you at home. So we followed their car.
[01:20:32] They are following behind and we are also running. When I started walking, I thought I was in Delhi. When I started walking, I thought I was in Delhi. Think 11 Ashoka came somewhere and that car of his out of our innocence and Boldness both we also with his car.
[01:20:47] Went So that and so maybe that security guard So these will be the only parts [laughter] So he arrived and then he got out of the car. He also got down and then I said, Sir, our camp I want to invite you, so he said friend
[01:21:01] I want to invite you, so he said friend Who is this? But I think credit goes to Piyush. Goyal ji, actually I saw this man He is sincere. No one came with bad intentions Is. And I received such a request. It is not that you are yours, so what did he say?
[01:21:16] He was the Power Minister at that time. So I He asked me to tell you about my journey in politics. How did you come into politics and what happened? So he said, till date no one has ever Didn't even ask the question What has my journey been? because of their
[01:21:29] The family is from BJP background. So He said, friend, this is a new topic. Told the audience yes. So actually he came Are. So a combination of boldness and a little innocence And a clean hearted thing that does something for us
[01:21:44] We are creating a cadre of people in one country. who think about nation building Evident For that you come and give your time. We I am not asking anything else from you. So I think Usually this rarely happens in politics.
[01:21:57] through some connection or the other People with bad intentions or personal interests There is purity of purpose. So let us support these people. So in the first policy boot camp that we what late Manohar Parrikar who was the defense
[01:22:12] Suresh Prabhu ji who is currently with us Became Chancellor of the University. He was Railways Minister. Piyush Goyal ji who was Power Minister. Jitendra Singh, who is a science scholar. and Technology Atomic Energy PMO He is a minister and many other such people who
[01:22:28] I have no family connection or I am No party connection, nothing. These people came here wanting to do something good. And for the first time we have such youth organization that I saw The movement is not with a negative intention
[01:22:43] Everyone will do it, this one is a thief, not that one in a constructive manner Coming to create a new cadre Are. So I think many people said good responded and the takeoff that followed Our organization I think
[01:22:57] to listen to those speakers and Good people also started coming. And this is before Covid. There is movement so there wasn't much online. Someone got a chance to listen to everyone's thoughts. Wasn't even available. So people listen to came to meet and
[01:23:12] He kept moving and moving forward. hmm interesting Meaning again this is so inspiring for Everyone who is listening, if your intention If you are doing something with a pure intention So Things will align, resources will also align.
[01:23:26] The right people will also be aligned Intent is visible and visible to people and you You have to keep going if you think that No friend, my intention is big but I don't have those resources, that party.
[01:23:39] I don't have links, I gave myself those reasons. Then you will not be able to move even an inch forward, all yes Yes How do we start from there and reach the university?
[01:23:51] How to reach? See Age Again like I told you before See Age Again like I told you before told to do that to reflect from that What went right and how to layer next level Can build. This is the way. Very
[01:24:04] Long-Term Planning Doesn't Usually Work Out Is. So when we started doing this, naturally the Is. So when we started doing this, naturally the The biggest success is the country's best talent which We Good people also started doing responses and all this
[01:24:19] Good people also started doing responses and all this The thing kept growing. But naturally what is it that someone To prolong things, this organization Meaning someone is charging fees for training, someone Is adding. It is not enough. This is a day by Day is an activity and event approach.
[01:24:34] Actually the country needs you to become bigger We will think and see how global changes Have come. From an organization to an There is a need to become an institution. Institution is something that is beyond the The Peepal tree will continue to live for a long time and will continue to do something.
[01:24:49] It will remain because there is some particular structure you put in which self Now you see that Silicon Valley, if you See Silicon Valley's biggest Stanford and Silicon Valley go together Are. Today the companies there
[01:25:04] There is valuation and there is impact. You are complete Add your Indian tech companies. One third value of his anthropoid Not even there. That much wealth generation, Technology Creation in a City The university has made a contribution.
[01:25:19] Google also originated from there. You will go to another course. If you are MIT Harvey, who is in Boston, will be watching. If any of Harvey's research were published today It happens and they say that this should be done. The whole world changes its policies. every
[01:25:33] [nasal sound] The case there What was the study? What was there? One Institution which was established 400 years ago. Its impact on a global scale is so huge which is done by a person or an organization
[01:25:46] can't. So Sahil and I when we I kept thinking what we will do to the country in the long run can go by giving Who will keep going and keep contributing So we have to create an institution. Historically, Taxila is also Nalanda's
[01:26:00] Even today it is said that there were such universities that people came from all over the world and their The contribution was so huge that it Great emperors were born, kingdoms were formed and Knowledge emerged. Buddhism emerged from there. Chandragupta Maurya emerged from here. of the country
[01:26:13] History changed. I Think Institutions We underestimate power. here in India Currently universities primarily offer a degree Granting Institutions speak which are very The limited view of universities is that this Gives degree. If possible, I would give you a job
[01:26:28] They are there and that is not their role. But Universities actually have the power to The country can make and year on for a long time Such people will emerge here. Such research will result in That the country will be built. So we thought that because We have achieved such a huge success. This
[01:26:43] Pivoting to the Next Level One University It should be made. From Our Great Ideas of Rebuilding Taxila or Looking at Oxford, Why not? Which can become an influence all over the world
[01:27:00] So we should make it. So you think it was around 2019 and I Think Sahil would be less than 30 I was Definitely less than 40, both of us together
[01:27:13] that to build a university and usually people There they give up saying that friend, it is enough There they give up saying that friend, it is enough It is a complex process, it will not happen It is a complex process, it will not happen Here's an important lesson about a dreamy and
[01:27:25] It is a romantic idea but if we A Long Life with Optimism and Positivity Make a plan. I believe that if we It will happen if you keep working. Let's kill him and say that it won't happen. So we did not give up at that level.
[01:27:41] That we will build a university. So the land that needs to be collected for that, Funding needs to be collected by approaching the government. have to negotiate and make and then Covid came and its challenges. Right? So his get out and
[01:27:57] get out and But the thought is that if a university is built then we Whether it remains or not, such things will keep on being created and The benchmark is global. I see myself in less places in the country. IITs can say something or something else.
[01:28:10] Used to be. But if we look globally then nation The Destiny of Actually Universities and If you are from America, their best Eliminate universities Looks like he's done it. We But it did not happen like that. He has very much
[01:28:25] Right now China is also doing the same. China's too The university is in the top 100. of China power their universities, their research, Their graduates are on it. universities
[01:28:37] Make the country. We may have forgotten this. Because we do not get an example from this. What can happen; what can be done? But whatever superpower you have wants to invest in university is a must. So that was our thought, looking at global.
[01:28:50] History Actual Purpose What Can We Do That we will build a university. We [laughs] [suddenly loud breathing]
[01:29:02] Generally universities do exist. University does exist but talk University Grating a Degree How are you making sure of what we are doing?
[01:29:14] Yes, he is different. We address that gap Are doing. And what exactly is the gap? We So what are we making? We Three levels of cheese, actually, which university
[01:29:28] Three levels of cheese, actually, which university should be done and the society should also We First Is What We Call Character Building Or personality development means we create people.
[01:29:43] Create leaders. Make leaders, not us Just simply create a skilled manpower that Just simply create a skilled manpower that He will go and get a degree and get a job. This power Only the university has it. from family Man [ __ ] 17 year old child outside
[01:29:59] He is leaving and going to the university. because he Bridge is for real life. There should be man making there. Human There should be making. Character Building, Leadership training should be all there is to it. We have forgotten its mandate and simply done something
[01:30:14] They are teaching courses and giving degrees. So, we say that our personality development This is the first level. University's most Important base. It should be that good Important base. It should be that good Became people. So good people mean simple
[01:30:26] Not skilling but one feeling towards the country Kind of a character, problem Yes, all this should be made there. The curriculum should be changed accordingly. So we chose how the curriculum Will you make it? Our Campus Fully Residential
[01:30:41] That you will stay here. Are you from Delhi or You are from Chennai, you will stay here. all four years institute because we have four years I will meet them. we we Didn't do it. Undergraduate Institution Residential Programs Complete Curriculum
[01:30:56] Campus Culture Joe Broadley on Character There is formation. seconds Before we move to second. So a little bit if you drive me a little deeper if we do it in Can. Exactly how we build character
[01:31:11] Are you doing it? If four years is residential, We lived together for four years, and by living together we focused on character. How are you doing at work? So the university One of the biggest powers they have is their own curriculum. Can decide. We Right? And the curriculum people pay that much attention
[01:31:23] Not there. They teach by copying and pasting I picked up what is being taught here. We But if we want such an outcome that we
[01:31:35] program or from this university such People will come out who will be the biggest leaders of the country. Will solve the problems. So what should the curriculum be like? This question to us So what should the curriculum be like? This question to us You should ask first. So right comes first
[01:31:47] Society. Know yourself and know the society. Ok? And that will not be taught in the classroom. You were taken out. So a trip to India He will stay.
[01:32:02] Will meet him. Yes. The classroom is outside. Now Entire Batch. One 40 buses leave the campus. Complete huh? 800 They take the children who come there. We. Everyone lives together. understand the country
[01:32:16] Are. Such discussions also take place. something Internal Reflection Spiritual There are also practices so that we understand ourselves. What is it? Because what is the problem today? You don't know the strength. Right? Everybody Nos this. But in our entire education there is no
[01:32:31] He did not ask you who you are? We wrote big answers. But someone He did not ask who are you? We So asking this is a big step and when you You will not invest in it till then or you will If you get a job, you will keep searching for someone who is fit.
[01:32:45] Starting From That Question Understanding Society Then Such Coursers We build the history of India. What has been happening in the world, what big Today we will talk about the challenges Climate change is affecting mental health
[01:32:59] There is a crisis, there are challenges of technology Understand that because your education The purpose of your education is in context Do very few people in the country have privilege? One gets the opportunity to pursue higher education. So what problems does that have with the world?
[01:33:13] What is the problem of the country? Understand. Then we do a systems thinking, design Thinking means how to create a solution? I understood the problem. You understood yourself. But you There are courses. This entire first year
[01:33:26] So, in the context of education, my Education is just for my degree or job. For a Higher Purpose is how we Can contribute. This orientation that I
[01:33:38] I was telling you that big institutions I am not there. It is very important to give this. His After you learn programming. After that you Learn entrepreneurship. You Psychology Learn it. It will remain in your mind that I am this I'm learning something somewhere
[01:33:50] We Only then does education have a purpose. Otherwise, whatever is happening for the package in the fourth year Why should I study for so many years for that? What am I doing? So and in the age of AI I have even more questions
[01:34:03] What is the benefit of reading all this, friend? So Anyway AI knows everything. So it is very important to add this thing which is Personality development is what we call the first pillar. Are For that, character formation thinking of
[01:34:16] Society Problems And developing a problem is a form of spoiling How to solve spirits That thing is very important. just problems I don't want to feel frustrated after hearing this. Solutioning is also required. Right? So yes.
[01:34:29] Sorry. The second pillar is The Second Pillar Is What We Call Thought meaning of thought Construction OK The first person is construction. then think What does it mean to create that thought?
[01:34:42] Ideas Solutions Only Research Papers No, research papers are important. We But whatever it is, we're sitting here right now. One Delhi will be polluted in four months. All People will see that an academic institution
[01:34:55] I am not able to come, why is this happening? how come Maybe the best of the human yes The capital is here and we're one of the things we I am unable to solve it for a decade. So solutions for society's problems in Terms of Ideas, Products
[01:35:10] We All these things the university can provide. This is not the job of a politician. his There is no training either. These are bureaucrats There is no work. They have to be executed. This is not the job of the judiciary. So whose job is it
[01:35:22] Is? Is. The businessman also has no work. it It is the job of universities to conduct such research. Produce what is for the good of society. So give me some more ideas on what to do. Needed So the universities have forgotten this mandate also.
[01:35:37] We are typically paper publications, own In increasing eminence, in conferences We limited ourselves in going. Our research itself is not motivated that The farmer next to our university What is his problem with him?
[01:35:50] Research is not being done. So the farmer outside He is sitting and he too feels that he is so knowledgeable There is no benefit. On the contrary, after buying our land they And we don't care about that either. Is. So I'm just saying that research that is
[01:36:04] Motivated by Society and Its Problems need to be solved. That is the purpose of universities and no one else can't. We have to do it. So that is The second level that we have thought of in Rishid is that Good people, then good ideas and solutions,
[01:36:18] Ideas and research emerged. That is thought construction point construction point And on top of this comes a third thing which is finally It takes both of these into the system. We call that system building.
[01:36:31] We Both these things should be placed at the policy level. The system by which the country's system runs Go inside. Good people should also go and good people should also go. Solutions should also be provided and they are a part of the system. If it is done then the country will improve. These ideas are also
[01:36:49] Give universities that good What is the education system and good talent? Also give it because both are needed in the system Ethical people with high character to follow There should be people and good solutions along with them. Both of them should then make an education policy together.
[01:37:05] Together, they will improve the country's health care. Fix your agriculture Sustainability which is for the environment I am having problems, I need both of these things. We So we became part of the system. We
[01:37:18] Still separate from the system. We think we Don't do anything. We are doing our own thing. We Giving up your degree. We give our jobs Have been. what do we have to do in society and Of the country. But if you look at it from the government's side So who will they look towards? Good people and
[01:37:32] If you want good ideas, where will you look? They will get the session from the resources. And Otherwise they will copy paste from abroad. do this You are living here, right? So he is also looking at me. us too He has to play his part. We distance ourselves from it
[01:37:45] Are going. So the person, the idea and All three systems together form a combination It is what makes a nation. So other universities have a lot of influence in this. It is the primary role. We should do this. We completed it
[01:38:00] By restricting the mandate, we can Will give. Yes, we have the power to give degrees. We have forgotten all these things. If this and this are not done then there will be no improvement
[01:38:12] [nasal sound] What is all the frustration right now? Where from? Yes There is no leader. beyond few two three people You don't have people that you can count. Meet. If you ask for a solution, you won't get it. We are facing a crisis of education.
[01:38:28] We We put the blame on someone else. But we Right right. [nasal sound] The job of universities is not to create degrees. To make a human being. That shift is very important.
[01:38:41] We Like you mentioned three things. person, idea Right? So what I was thinking in my mind What was going on in me was that there is a trend of idealism There is another world and the practical world. Right?
[01:38:54] Shobhit ji has an idealism that he Should be. This is how a person should be Character. This is his thought process. this kind of System. We When you try to do this practically If you are a student then with the same mindset
[01:39:07] Even today they are being treated like IPL auction. The placement is understandable. Professors control the entire system This thing should be in their DNA. They Operate in this manner. So you
[01:39:21] Mismatch between Idealism and Practicality I don't feel it. It's a complete mismatch and we There is nothing wrong in that. such is the truth It is true. Those who are coming to study here are also Coming with course loan. his parents
[01:39:33] I also have aspirations. Shobhit ji, you are After studying all this, you are doing everything by getting a job. yes. Why are you treating our child like this? Are you giving me the pill of Vidalism? Are you giving me the pill of Vidalism? Ok? So it is you have to understand that
[01:39:45] What is reality? working with him Change has to be brought. So I again someone I am not saying anything revolutionary that we I will change the country tomorrow. This is a decade and a There are century long projects in many places. His We should at least start working in that direction.
[01:39:58] Do it. So when I say good person So I am not saying that he Technically untrained. Whichever company he joins should be the best. Should he start his own company? Be the best businessman.
[01:40:12] This must happen. Otherwise you are a big yes You have ideas but you can't execute anything. You are not able to do it. You don't add any value Are you able to do it in the society? So this is the part that Are you able to do it in the society? So this is the part that Good education but the limit of our education
[01:40:24] It won't just be a job. Our education life Thinking about. We Are Not Preparing You for the First Job. We are preparing you for life. We They say this And every parent and every child understands this.
[01:40:36] Sir, you are talking big. But now this This is your responsibility. you run away from it Are you talking? which is acceptable to As. No one believed it. in the first year We had 10 admissions.
[01:40:50] Ok? And right now we have 2400 students on our campus. They are kids. So credit to the first 10 children also that He said, friend, we like this fancy visa. Buy it and see what happens. And on the basis of their experience, the next
[01:41:03] It became 100 years, then 600, then it has increased now. Used to be. So this has been our outcome. Parents also observed us patiently Have done. Higher education in India has no Especially the name of private sector is very It's bad. We will send you to private school. But
[01:41:19] So Why is it like this? because I think people think that a So this is the cost of private education. Second There were a lot of frauds in the first time. Are. Meaning it has happened many times that admission
[01:41:34] It will be divided and there is no building. It has happened many times that the validity of the degree Fraud is going on everywhere. in the classroom Faculty does not come. Fees are charged. Very This has happened before. We So because of that people do not see such examples.
[01:41:48] that private higher education should be excellent Can. So I think now is the time to create such an example. It has arrived and while being practical in it Butt is a long range job. I don't say this I am hoping that something will happen in 5 years.
[01:42:01] This can also be useful. Just like the necklace Oxford is 1000 years old There is no such institution anywhere in the country. But also. But it has been going on for 1000 years. Today
[01:42:13] In my child's school textbook Oxford is printed. Ok? Same Thing Harvard knows everything. Even a village child Knows. 400 year old university Started somewhere in the Boston area. Stanford knows everything. these universities
[01:42:28] did some work in the first maybe 30-40 years Must not have done it. After a long time their And they have become so huge that their The influence has become so great that the country are deciding the destiny of. Really Top Leadership of the Trump Administration
[01:42:42] Must have come from. So, think about it, what was the influence? It must be theirs. So we should plan to make such things. Needed While being realistic. And responsible for what you and your people
[01:42:58] Can go. After telling all this, don't deliver this, don't deliver this We Now we named Stanford or We were talking about Harvard or Oxford. Even now, if we look at the top colleges of the Ivy League
[01:43:12] Right? We If you go away at some point, very early Nalanda and Takshashila were talked about. What Vent Wrong? what went wrong We used to be considered in education and now we
[01:43:27] Nowhere is the country with one of the Largest population. I think overall Our thinking is at a very individual level and It has become short term. these things university buildings and things like that
[01:43:43] Only those people can do it who can think for 100 years. Are. High quality to be made. who Was Takshashila built first or Nalanda? He probably didn't even see them through to the end. It must be known what impact it has had. After his death, three or four more kings came.
[01:43:57] Must have passed. They must have made something. Then The result must have come. I don't think in the country Any such project is not just Universities that are 20 years or 50 years old I am thinking. In our thinking, be due to Our struggles against colonial powers
[01:44:13] Our struggles against colonial powers were up. There was poverty. We are very limited in Time and individually me and my family. People are not able to think beyond this. all this Things need thinking much beyond the country
[01:44:27] 100 years on both levels, at the level of people You have to think big and the timeline is very long. Will have to think. He is in our thinking It is missing. Perhaps the early success that comes now Some entrepreneurs have made something Have been. I was talking about Tata.
[01:44:42] He must have thought. Right? After Multiple Generations Tata is made. 100 years old But I first person would have not seen Success but they thought that everything Success but they thought that everything will form. We talked about Amazon. those same
[01:44:55] Retired in 2021 Jeff B. Jose still manages the company It is being created, it is growing. Such things we One should take daring steps. Some How We left it somewhere and universities and education particularly That's the project. This is you, oh my
[01:45:10] For personal gain I will do and next 5 The results will come in a year so I will do it again. Projects are why education has become like this. Is. Everything is about immediate gain and profit making. Quality Poor Make some compromises here and there
[01:45:26] Get it out somehow. If you do this then The outcome will also be like this, right? So if China I am thinking that if we want to become a super power then Invest in universities and make them top Efforts are being made to bring it to 100. For them I know there's a need for such projects.
[01:45:39] Us. We Right Right I haven't been to China, but I have been to Japan. had observed and about China I read that in their education system Neither have modern things come. But Traditional
[01:45:52] Things still exist today. for example There is a concept in schools that children come Even if small children do some light mopping I did something a little bit but it is his habit. That we our school is so pure and pious We'll clean it up and sit here.
[01:46:06] Education in China, I can relate to that. I am just what you intend me to be in your vision Service to Country Service to Family Not Individualistic Right here at our place
[01:46:20] Because of the colonial era and everything we Traditional value system of education here Can't you see it right? Why are we becoming more and more disconnected from that thing? and maintaining what we have been It is a legacy.
[01:46:35] Let's say. Because we were under someone's rule for 200-300 years Maybe there was nothing good in us. Why did we become slaves? Because someone from us
[01:46:47] If he was better then he ruled over us. before that We were poor So he came. So ours, ours, ours Civilization is its contribution to everything We refused and felt that there was no There will be no valuable contribution. as much as we
[01:47:01] The more we copy them, the faster we will grow. Can. So it would be better if we become like that. There may be some truth in that. But we Lock stock and viral have been completely thrown away. There may have been some good things in it. Maybe we could have retained. grow it
[01:47:18] Was Needed. We rejected that too. So Our complete modern education is Completely disconnected from India is disconnected. Simple Cheese Language Language of Instruction Medium of Instruction is English.
[01:47:31] Aspiration is also English. You who are from the country Talking about China and Japan Or any European country in the world Take it anywhere. Medium of Instructions will be in local language. You may even speak English as a second language
[01:47:45] Learn it. Or learn a third language. But you read it in Whereas I don't talk about that at home. Right? And I probably also found some emotional touch in it. Not there. You have done that in every country and They are producing the best scientists.
[01:47:59] I am Chinese. So he is able to write in English. It has become a professional language. But that is not a medium of instruction. There were great achievements. We studied it
[01:48:12] Were. We It's not just something to sing his praises about. what can we learn from that and What would he have thought? Why? how did This person realizes that this can happen. Discoveries have been made at the cosmic level. Meaning
[01:48:26] that what we studied showed the universe naked I Say Without Instruments What would he have done? This man's faculty How would he have been and what would he have thought? They We Didn't do any research. So we denied everything.
[01:48:39] They will be made. I think this is like You are running on a different track. You will always remain second, you will definitely come first someday So your originality is gone. So I think that's a deep inferiority
[01:48:56] The complex is still on a large scale. Who feeds us over the time So we think we have something. Otherwise, what is the value of reading it? It is better that we, the advanced modern countries If you listen to them, it will be good.
[01:49:10] So we left everything Given a choice, what are you, things, traditional? Given a choice, what are you, things, traditional? that history of India's education system You would like to include it in modern education. would you like
[01:49:23] would you like I think education was a little very different. I think education was a little very different. A new multidisciplinary approach is taking place innovation that I will also read this along with a And I will also do a course and but multiple things
[01:49:37] This was very natural in a Gurukul system. If you are studying Environment You are studying Chemistry as well as Maths. You are also studying, you are also studying biology, everyone. Some one subject is that. So all of them were Sciences but those sciences were integrated.
[01:49:51] All together it's a very super Specialist doctor's domain address Is. There is no such thing next to them. So this is a very problem solving real
[01:50:03] There is a team thing in the world that Multidisciplinary, connecting different people it occurs. My entire education was based on that How do we take multiple things together? Understood? I still know geography and so on.
[01:50:17] Understood? I still know geography and so on. So a geography or geology or whatever it is You will learn a lot by reading it. Will you take it? But I think right now we are so super We have become so specialized that we have to do something else. It doesn't come at all. And if such a limited view
[01:50:29] If so, you will not be able to solve the problem. You will not be able to work in a team. So this Our education has given us so many things Made an individual specialist That we became irrelevant to the world. In many ways. We try to solve something
[01:50:44] In many ways. We try to solve something For by uniting everyone and considering it as everyone's thing Is. So our exams are individual. Our The study is individual. Our Faculty Super There are specialists. So it all happened like this
[01:50:57] Is. rings a bell. The period changes. We were still learning this. learning Hindi Were. Now we will learn math. Then the bell will ring Then we will learn one more thing. Everyone has their own There will be an exam. Everyone has their own number. So There is no such thing as this that I think
[01:51:11] If we think traditionally, Broadley Problem Solving Orientation observe Understand what is happening to solve it Whatever you want to learn, learn it and then we will Can do. So it also has a purpose.
[01:51:25] We are currently studying this subject but How do we connect it and what do we do? The link is broken. I think that's fundamental. This is a big difference at the level. In traditional education and modern education. [Laughter]
[01:51:38] The question that is top of mind for Jobs is that Unemployment is increasing, not jobs. Is. So because you are at a thought leadership. So what What should the child think who has this in his mind? There are no jobs ahead, I mean there will be layoffs.
[01:51:53] There are no jobs ahead, I mean there will be layoffs. Have been. So it's a variant from our side Even in our faculty meetings. Our What should be our curriculum or training? Be beyond this and be stronger. So I So we talked about our program.
[01:52:08] That's how we apply foundation. It gives me strength to who I am. What is my purpose, what are the problems? How to solve it but more and more of our Education is going towards a difficult problem It is also called solving deep tech.
[01:52:22] It is also called solving deep tech. More Venture Buildings Build Your Own build build build if you do something like this Are you just doing some programming? You are going to get cloud code, yes, then you Are easily replaceable but if you go and find someone
[01:52:36] Are easily replaceable but if you go and find someone Take this tough problem. Let's Cost Air We have to purify it for the country. Very Relevant problem. Only Indian mind should can because a jugaad mindset also Is. There is also a tough problem
[01:52:49] It will create problems. It is a problem for them He is not there. So you have Indian problems. Taking the challenge that is very humane It is possible to do it. Things you should do which end Education should enable him. So that's the approach we
[01:53:06] Are taking. So More Going Towards Hardware, Hardware, Deep Tech, Ventures, Apps, Not Aggregators Talk about what comes next. Any venture issue If I say so, then we should not make this. this is
[01:53:19] It's been enough. And it is replaceable. tomorrow morning Someone else will make it for you. something for him Which goes further. Think about these things. in society Go. See what the challenges are. market Yours is right there. understanding it for them Make it. You don't know if you look at it on the net
[01:53:32] will get. So This I Believe is a little AI Proof and there are only jobs in it. Because the application of AI to a new The problem is whether it's Meta or Google. The market is not addressable, but it is If it is for us, such things can happen.
[01:53:48] You talk in Indian language, Indian If we talk about problems, then ours is different. The target segment is different in its education. Target schools, hospitals, Farmer, you can take anything, any domain The volume is so high that the paying capacity is also
[01:54:03] We But those problems will arise if we do not think about our Our tech schools won't train on that. So how will it come? Dec. I still remember during our time when Ratan
[01:54:18] Tata had launched a car called Tata Indica. It was the first indigenous vehicle made. I As a young person, I went to the showroom myself I came to see how the lunch was going. He Said He made it. So and it is at that time it is imported
[01:54:32] Sir, the car was right, so it is where I have Our own Tata Indica movement in some way that Our own Tata Indica movement in some way that We made the car and sold it [laughs]. So, we need to think about such things today. And this machine will do it simply like this, not like this
[01:54:46] We will have to think about it A passionate student working on focus A passionate student working on focus I am assuming that yes I have local problems Used to be We
[01:54:59] Then a NEET exam gets leaked in the family And he becomes disheartened. What to do? These are challenges. I Think Systemic The challenges are huge. In education
[01:55:11] The challenges are huge. In education Particularly, the government has given a lot to education Has not even been given. Usually Top Ministries I talk about finance, defence, home etc. In India they say this, right? Disappoint Both Pemist and Optimist. Who
[01:55:25] Things are also happening. Someone that very They are optimists, they think something bad will happen. Things are also happening. So it's a mixed bag. India will remain there for some time and you will Have to see that disappointments are there but There are positives too and making something of it
[01:55:37] There are positives too and making something of it Is. At a country level, mine is definitely I believe that given that the youth population is so Is And that voter base is also at a huge level right now. Our median age is 28. means half of the
[01:55:51] Country is less than 28 years of age. His Meaning obviously there is big pressure on the government. that if these 25 lakh and their families and A lot of people joined it So it is a problem. So far, too big for them This was not a problem. I Think It Is It Is
[01:56:06] Electoral problem for them right now. If CBSE is doing regrading again Right? So I think right now an electrocution is on them Pressure will also build. Plus I think more good people will come and solve this problem.
[01:56:23] To solve. But the youth that I am Very sure that it is a disappointment. his I don't have any easy answer. Butt Overall system or over a long period of time You will have to have faith. When I returned to the USA Not Too Much Hope in 2009. It doesn't matter either
[01:56:39] Was doing. Zero medals in the Olympics It must have been there for a long time. Ok? So that means we Some are not even on stage. Ok? [Laughter] We reached the league stage of the 2009 Cricket World Cup I was out. Think you're right at V Var at that level. So
[01:56:54] There is nothing but today you are talking about us Fourth largest GDP. So it has happened, right? In 15 years if you're a little too tall Duration view will have to be taken [Laughter] Shobhit ji, your computer science knowledge
[01:57:07] There is background. Right? and at that time that you have seen the entire transition this time But in the university, the students who are in Tech which is in its related curriculum. How do you ensure that it is so fast? which is evolving from curriculum and of
[01:57:22] How are you insuring the course of technology? Yes, that students Be able to cope up with him. right time pay The right things could reach them. He could learn. So that they are ready for the jobs. I think a big revolution in AI is coming.
[01:57:36] Used to be. We all know that every week someone So a big release comes along that gives the overall The Coding Industry Itself It is in big question marks. You can see that What is happening in TCS. Otherwise, everyone's This is the crisis that as long as your work is simple
[01:57:52] We Which was being done by a software developer till today Replaceable We We So code is bits called atoms which
[01:58:04] Hmm I think the whole world is full of jobs It will work at the intersection where the The next big revolution is going to happen. So computer science plus mechanical is Robotics We
[01:58:18] Right in a way. So robotics is the Next Domain. What I've coded so far is AI. I am writing how I am a humanoid Should I put it in the robot or in the car? An autonomous car, our entire education is Trying to find problem statements is
[01:58:32] At the intersection. We For example, one of our teams is working on What is the painting like? So there are no robots made for that. So How to use AI so you can understand How and where to paint. He is a robot
[01:58:47] engineering work that how does he do this walk on the building Can paint. So such a problem Statements that are different streams is the intersection in which computer science or AI can be a foundation thing. Butt rest
[01:59:01] Building on top of that, wherever the real There is an intersection with the world Lots of problem statements on top of this Will remain. Our students using drones How can medicines drop in far? of areas. We
[01:59:13] So a public health and computer science and There is an intersection of robotics. So at the intersection of these domains, we have The curriculum is being made. such projects They also come to our children. on that I also work. By the way, we are faculty
[01:59:26] They bring them from the industry and groom them. This education is essential. traditional computer Science education in which you will get software Development will be taught at best. I think That's done. Meaning you are easily Replaceable or already replaced
[01:59:41] Because anyway AI will be cheaper than you. You can work. So the entire education system We are revising the way that intersection of domains of engineering and the real world Based on the problem statements Bring projects to those courses
[01:59:55] Embedding. That is how and that is also The future of education is going to be like this Right? We So Computer Science and AI became one leg. where the intersection might be Is. Can it be useful in civil
[02:00:09] Can. What is its utility in the environment? Can. So we had a foundation. CS and AI. So correct me if I am getting it right That in today's time if we just learn coding
[02:00:23] If it is there then it is replaceable because He's writing AI code. So we have to think about its next level. We have to think deep tech. We have to understand what the bigger level is. The code will be written but for other streams
[02:00:37] Sessions can be made. How that thing and precision with robotics And can be done with perfection. Overall there is a system integration that all Keeping a Different Computer Science Foundation Something that brings together different disciplines
[02:00:52] So this is something which is needed And at Its Foundation It Is Not Just Coding. It also takes a lot of mathematics. And for that a data science education It is important that so much data is being generated. We both wear a smart watch on our hands.
[02:01:07] Are. So much data is being generated. This combination of robotics and computers Who is using the data generated by this? Will you study? Its public health impact Is. If I can predictively tell by looking at this, You are going to have this health condition
[02:01:21] Because you haven't slept well for the last 5 days. Are you having or are your sugar levels going up? Is. So at this intersection where data science, Computer Science, Robotics, Mechanical Yes, All these things will come. From here, the future of
[02:01:35] All these things will come. From here, the future of There is education and from here ventures will emerge, Patents will come out, big products Will come out. This is the but computer science, Data science, AI, all these are its foundation layers. Is. Have to build on top of that.
[02:01:49] And this makes sense because when we When you were talking about crisis, my mind What is? If a student sits down and writes code If he is getting it then why does he need to come? What is? But yes, such platforms He cannot make it at home. This kind of
[02:02:03] It Needs Team. In robotics, he needs some equipment wise, Becomes a university becomes a great Catalyst Where they can practically implement all these things Ground can solve.
[02:02:17] Variant such as ours in sage hood Program is a combination of computer Program is a combination of computer Science AI Then You Have Entrepreneurship We You have design, data science, and psychology.
[02:02:31] It is a combination of everything. I will take it But I don't understand consumer behavior. Comes. So psychology is useful. Me Its interface to the public is not known. So A design student will do the work. The product is made, the design is good.
[02:02:46] I don't know how to run a business. So the Entrepreneurship wala program is also I think there are very few universities that do this. Let's take all four of them along. also understands, also understands technology and Also understands design.
[02:03:01] Education needed. We When I was studying IT, our Next to Computer Science Department There is a Dis Department. We never went there, While both of them look at each other Live by the window.
[02:03:14] Live by the window. So but if I had a different perspective. Maybe when I'm studying computer science. My products only get better. But So I think multiple things are needed. Multidisciplinary such disciplines together
[02:03:28] And all these fields come together in a lab. Based setup with real practical Examples of projects to do together is the future of education And because there's also psychology,
[02:03:40] There is entrepreneurship and there is tech too. So What patterns do you see among students? had been? More towards inclination jobs Is it more towards entrepreneurship? 80% of children are interested in entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurship from
[02:03:53] Which is so good. Which is very good. And It's not that I'm just speaking in excitement. First When I came here earlier, I was talking after watching Shark Tank. Are. even when they are reaching their final Years. Because he still has it in his mind As we talked about, there's so much exposure,
[02:04:08] There are ideas that perhaps weren't there before. There are resources too. Faculty can also guide Used to be. Such an environment has also been created on the campus In. So a venture building, problem Solving this is the future. If Around 1 crore children graduate in a year
[02:04:23] are from the university In our country. If 1 crore children pass then In our country. If 1 crore children pass then It is impossible to get a job. Maximum 8 to 10% Students can be absorbed into a job. White color jobs speak. be more than that
[02:04:35] I can't do it. Manufacturing near you It is not on that scale. So what will you do? What will 80-90 lakh children do? they have to Become job creators. And there is no other option Become job creators. And there is no other option Is. This is also the need of the country. So I Think It
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