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title: 'Inside Mojo Ep. 7 - Go Big or Go Home: Goodwill & Global'
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date: 2026-08-07
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# Inside Mojo Ep. 7 - Go Big or Go Home: Goodwill & Global

> Source: [Inside Mojo Ep. 7 - Go Big or Go Home: Goodwill & Global](https://youtube.com/watch?v=ozLzGF9B8VM)

## Summary

In this episode of Inside Mojo, CEO and co-founder Ashkan Karbasfrooshan discusses the philosophy of 'go big or go home' in media, sharing insights on the importance of talent, management, and persistence. He recounts WatchMojo's growth waves, including international expansion and brand diversification, and reflects on lessons learned from ambitious projects and the 2016 hack.

### Key Points

- **Episode Introduction** [00:24] — Inside Mojo podcast celebrates WatchMojo's 20-year history with 20 episodes. This is episode seven, focusing on WatchMojo's decision to 'go big'.
- **Go Big or Go Home Philosophy** [02:05] — Ashkan believes in the 'go big or go home' mindset, emphasizing that without growth and innovation, businesses become obsolete. He cites Disney as an example of continuous evolution.
- **Poll: Key to Success in Media** [03:46] — A poll is launched asking viewers which skill is most important in media: talent/creativity, management/business skills, or ambition/persistence.
- **Talent and Creativity** [04:00] — Ashkan argues that talent and creativity are foundational, accounting for about 50% of success. Authenticity is crucial, especially on platforms like YouTube.
- **Resilience and Persistence** [05:23] — Resilience is essential because there are no overnight successes. Creators must handle criticism and keep publishing despite negative feedback.
- **Management and Business Skills** [06:44] — Basic management and business skills are often overlooked but critical, especially in organizations. Understanding finance, law, and people management is key.
- **The Intersection of Skills** [08:19] — Success lies at the intersection of talent, management, and persistence. Most people have one or two, but the center is rare. Collaboration with complementary skills is advised.
- **Growth After 1 Million Subs** [09:36] — From 2012-2016, WatchMojo grew from 10,000 to 10 million subscribers, a 'hockey stick' growth curve that attracted competition.
- **First Wave: International Expansion** [10:18] — Recognizing YouTube's global audience, WatchMojo localized content into Spanish, Mandarin, Arabic, and more, pioneering a system later popularized by MrBeast. These channels now account for half of subscribers.
- **Second Wave: Brand Expansion** [13:43] — Launching MissMojo in 2016 to serve a female and LGBTQ+ audience, which became a crown jewel with 5-6 million subscribers.
- **Third Wave: New Formats and Platforms** [17:18] — Expanding into new formats like The Lineup (a trivia show) and platforms like Snapchat and TikTok was chaotic and less successful, with many projects failing to match WatchMojo's success.
- **Missed Opportunities** [20:44] — Ashkan regrets not pursuing his own scripted projects and being too deferential to others, leading to wasted investments. He advises entrepreneurs to follow their intuition and be 'a bit more selfish' with ideas and time.
- **International Value Today** [29:14] — International channels still have value as a portfolio, but must not lose money. Authenticity and authority are key for new projects, as seen with the UAP podcast success.
- **Preview of 2016 Hack** [35:03] — Next episode will cover the 2016 hack, which was a lesson in security and being more careful, though not fatal to the company.

### Conclusion

The episode underscores that sustained growth requires a balance of talent, management, and persistence, and that entrepreneurs must be willing to take calculated risks while staying true to their vision. Ashkan's reflections highlight the importance of learning from failures and adapting to change.

## Transcript

language if you think you may be offended switch off [Applause] [Music]
inside Mojo podcast we have planned uh 20 episodes to commemorate watch Mojo's 20 year history on YouTube and this week is episode seven uh we are talking about is episode seven uh we are talking about watch Mojo's decision to go big uh I'm
your host Rob and with me as always is our CEO and co-founder Ashan carbas fan how's it going Ash where you calling in from today I'm calling in from Orlando or kiss me to be precise took the gals down to Disney World which I'd never
been and I don't know if you know this but did you know Disney World o RL but did you know Disney World o RL Orlando Disneyland LA Anaheim did that I coincidence but given the Geniuses of Disney probably not and it is inspiring
you know people are always like ash it's just you're on vacation it's just a like no there's meaning and it's true seeing Disney you know how they've evolved over the decades to kind of stay on top of entertainment and escapism is
is truly fascinating and uh yeah know it's been fun but uh exhausting yeah I I it's extremely exhausting to go there because there's so much to do and you're trying to see as much as you can in a short amount of time uh but I it's
but one day I will love to take the kids there I've never been you know it's like uh it was I didn't travel much when I was younger so then when I was like 20 to do but one some of our friends were like we should go and we're like you
know what let's do it by the way this background is not a fake background it looks great it looks very fake but it's these are Spears actually cool all right well the theme of today's episode is go big or go home uh do you believe in that
thinking uh yes and no look when I started watch Mojo and I would talk to venture capitalist they would always kind of like dismiss watch Mojo as like would say that's a lifestyle business and I kind of hated that and even though
there's nothing wrong with the lifestyle business um which I call Boutique business um which I call Boutique businesses but here's the thing if you do not keep growing if you do not keep innovating look at Disney Disney's a
great example um you do die you know what I mean like because not just you in a silo and your business shrinks or becomes you know uh obsolete or irrelevant but there's competition you know um and Disney is a good example
they already had a successful franchise during Michael eisner's run he green lit like Aladdin a lot of other movies that kind of in the 90s you know gave a a Renaissance to the Disney franchise and and you know portfolio of Ip but to the
credit than 10 years later in the late 2000s you know they bought Pixar Marvel Lucas arts and then that led to probably they overdid it but you know it kind of started a whole new chapter so I would say if one like a Founder an operator a
entrepreneur if they have that ambition and drive then they do need to go big don't want to take risk that kill your business but I I do think if if you don't keep growing however you define growth uh you will eventually die so
either through necessity or desire yeah I do think net net you do have to go big or go home we've got a poll that just went up on the watch Mojo YouTube channel um and this ties into the next question that I have for you which of
important to succeed in media is it talent and creativity management and business skills or ambition and persistence to you Ash what is the most important thing you need to succeed in in the media business
fair you usually have like the creative Talent side of U yeah let's keep this up for just two seconds so in in media you do have people that yeah you could be in not talking about those people we're still this is a YouTube this is a show
really about storytellers and entrepreneurs um I think if you don't have the blue there the art you know the artistic talent the creativity whether it's a writer directing or in just the world like you're a singer dancer
whatever um I don't think you will be seen as authentic as and genuine you know I've always liked stories I've liked biographies you know I love music more than probably even movies uh and TV
shows and so if you don't have that passion or if in my case I was a I'm a pretty decent writer um I like to think at least so if you don't have that as a core then I think the rest is kind of moot unless you find your find yourself
somebody who is good at that and then you bring the other ones uh so I think that is in my opinion like probably 50ish percent of it if I'm going to be candid I think without that um you know just don't bother or or don't don't
because we do live in an era of authenticity um and YouTube highlights authenticity um and YouTube highlights that but um I do think though that like YouTube especially or really just these social platforms where there's no
barrier to entry anybody could be a Storyteller you do need to have that resilience for the simple reason that there are no overnight successes right like even YouTube says it if you follow their ex Twitter account they're like
you know your first video will not be good and if you wait for Perfection and you don't publish you're not going to start engaging with the community and realistically you know the first time we did any video it wasn't all roses and
flowers and chocolates and whatnot you know it was like what the hell is this stay in your lane um and you have to be resilient you know you have to really your biggest fan your mother and your biggest critic some loser that you know
probably jealous and envious but you know you you will get a lot of feedback telling stories yourself and when you're being vulnerable and opening up like watch moo we covered other things but a lot of creators they're opening up their
hearts and their soul and there's some you know trauma and insecurity and you kind of want compassion and empathy and people are like screw you unsub dislike die and you're like oh my God you know so so you do have to stay persistent you
drive because frankly you know that's really what separates winners and and losers not loser in a bad way but just those who don't win and get to the top so to speak so to me that is probably in in this racket of Storytelling is
probably like 35% if if I'm going to be honest but I think ultimately where a lot of people stumble and management is not like business school I don't mean that I mean just managing people having basic business skills like under
see so many like Gamers who are like oh my God I had to pay taxes or um yeah you know or like not understanding what defamation is you know it's like you don't have to be an expert to just
understand Baseline fundamentals of things and I do think in a company like watch Bojo you know what separates those who really emerge and have the best careers and the best runs are probably ironically the green one like those are
the ones who do need to look at like I always go data as a tool we don't care about the algorithm it's more your gut Your Instinct as a Storyteller um but I do think that in a in an organization it's actually maybe the green is the
most important you know but still on YouTube yeah I mean if you don't care about copyright if you don't care about Community guidelines if you don't care about you know whatever uh you're not going to last you know you're just G to
you work in an organization yeah you know there's reporting there's understanding you know how how finance and accounting and law work so that one is maybe lesser if you're just like an independent Creator but I think if
that one might be the one that explains why you succeed like promotions and having you know more pay more responsibilities than than the other two combined but I will just say notice how when I graph this there's that little
speck in the middle of the the three spheres V diagram most people are not in that Center most people have one of those three at best they might have two
but if you're wondering saying can I make it or what does it take to really make it could you be in the middle and if not align yourselves with people who have complimentary skills you know that African proverb if you want to go fast
go alone if you want to go far go together right I imagine like individual creators would want to try to shoot for a little bit more in the in that middle area whereas if you're if you have an organization you can hire people who are
in different Bubbles and then yeah like I've done pretty much every task at the company except one video editing like it doesn't make sense it's not my comparative advantage even one time in 2006 our our head videographer had to
leave so he's like just press record that footage sucked so technically I did record one thing one time even when I take pictures of my gals they're like man you're really not good and I'm like I'm really not good at like video and I
admit it and it didn't make sense for me to try to learn that it just made a lot individual Creator yeah sure learn those skills you're GNA need them makes sense um so watch Mojo last week we talked
about watch Mojo hitting a million subs and after that point uh there was a huge period of growth so tell me about that did the growth come mostly in one wave or how did that work well I would say to be fair if you ask the growth of our
subscribers yeah I mean that 2012 to 2016 17 era was just incredible we went from 10,000 subscribers to like 10 million subscribers a few years which Drew competition and a lot of other headaches which we've covered episodes 1
through six won't repeat them all uh so that growth was really like this you know as they call it hockey stick growth curve which was a phenomenal period have to manage now the second part of your question which is the growth in
people products and all that so no we actually had two uh or a few eras the first one was really the international like the first one was just recognizing like the first one was just recognizing that you YouTu is you know 30% us maybe
40 50% if you include other englishspeaking languages and it didn't make sense to me especially somebody who was born in Iran left at 4 lived a year in Spain I used to speak Spanish very fluently now I could just order probably
a margarita and some tacos haha um but the point is I did realize that well there's this huge International audience and sure maybe people grow up and learn English but until they do it would make sense for us to localize and adapt are
programming from English to Spanish and and many others and yeah watchmo espanol was one of our first channels and even though I understand Spanish for me to figure out a system of how to localize was was kind of like going to the
drawing board and you know meditating on a mountain and and coming up with a system that would also maintain quality but equally be able to scale which wasn't obvious and and in fact ironically more power to the king of
YouTube right now Mr Beast the system that Mr Beast uh kind of popularized and became known for for his localization is actually something we pioneered we gentleman and then you know it didn't really make sense for us long term and
he he left he was just a he was a like a contract he was just it was like another contract worker he left and then he kind power to him but that was something that
we started and we had like 30 channels like espanol Mandarin Arabic Hebrew like why do you have a channel in Indonesia I'm like there's 300 billion people in IND Indonesia uh and again I never really look at it for near-term
financial it just to me felt right to have all these channels and today they account for uh half of our subscribers so that was the first wave and then well by the way let me ask you this when you when you first came across watch mjo and
you saw these International channels and you worked at a company that also eventually launched some so I would love just a little side not like were you is bad crazy why do we have all these channels no I did think it was smart it
made sense um I did wonder if it was worth it in terms of uh like Revenue because certain countries have lower cpms they make know less Less ad dollars than than others um and so I wondered about that um versus like the cost of
producing translating the videos because it did make sense in a in a business would want to get as much mileage out of them as possible so why not translate them to different languages if it doesn't cost that much throw them up one
video becomes 10 becomes 15 becomes 20 um but yeah in terms of like return and all that for me it was really just my like statement to you know life mission like of just here to serve I was like hey there's a little kid there's a
like hey there's a little kid there's a Manuel in Manila there's a Hector in Mexico City you know there's an Abdul in Morocco and I wanted to give them the best top 10 list on Batman and all that and frankly we do cover American culture
you know it's American pop culture largely Which is popular and I just felt like hey there's a lot of kids who will actually learn English because they love Spider-Man and if we could have these videos uh it would help so that was the
first wave and then I would say the second wave was probably brands or channels right like I mean again if you're like MTV eventually you launch you're like MTV eventually you launch Nickelodeon right and if you're you know
if you're um any other company before long you're like well how do we draft off the success that we have in one brand and basically maybe replicate
the expertise we have in storytelling casting Talent procurement whatever uh to Branch elsewhere and for me I always cared about like the community in terms people when they used to watch our videos they would be like oh you're
Community the the comment section yeah there's banter because you're ranking but it's a pretty positive community and I was like yeah so if we were doing top 10 Metallica songs on watch Mojo you know if we wanted to do top 10 One
Direction songs not because they're talented but not because I was this huge audience and give them what they want I kind of understood that if you publish what's going to happen the comment section is going to go sideways um and
I've always said it if I run a restaurant everybody's welcome uh you know you could have a KKK member and a black panther member eating discreetly wearing your hood so to speak but if you start fighting I'll kick you both out
you know what I mean so so some of it when we launched Miss Mojo in 2016 even though it was part of our business plan eventually to have it um in that era and I'm not saying woke di in any bad way but just to explain that era a lot of
why are you gendering in this and that I'm like no I'm like media has always done this you know L magazine Vogue magazine you kind of segment your audience and what I liked was basically let's say if for example we had you know
let's say if for example we had you know 60 70% male on watch Mojo 20% female of 60 70% male on watch Mojo 20% female of which maybe 10% was lgbtq Miss mojo as I expected turned out to be 60% uh female viewership maybe 20% male but then the
viewership maybe 20% male but then the lbgt LBGTQ component was much higher 20 25% just by nature of the you know we could cover Glee or again you know I'm not I'm just using as example we could cover shows and serve that fandom that I
understood on watch Mojo would just not be well-received and even though the and in your instance your conviction it's good to hear criticism but people just complain sometimes uh people get offended for everything so miss Mojo I'm
very happy we stuck to it today it has five six million uh subscribers and I would say after watch Mojo is one of the crown jewels and I call it you know if Time Magazine had people or you know this was our people this was our US
Weekly this was just like that companion brand that could stand on its own right and so this uh development of uh alternate Brands is this considered the yeah I would say this was the second wave because now you had to go hire
different people you know even though technically a video editor could edit both videos uh you needed people that watch Glee you needed people that like also it did I mean this is where as an entrepreneur you have to be realistic I
knew that like we took a lot of our celebrity oriented content and we put it on Miss Mojo and I would say one of the reasons why watch Mojo also like slowed down its growth aside from the hack aside from competition was that well we
aside from competition was that well we took a chunk of topics in programming then I would say the third wave of growth which was the most chaotic one this is the one that led to the most headaches and heartbreaks and all that
really was um when we kind of decided to push into new formats and new platforms like it was one thing to take our programming adapted for SNAP or eventually Tik Tok that's like what I call iterative but when we were like Hey
we're going to launch the lineup which today by the way the lineup is a sports Focus Channel on YouTube but the first lineup was like a trivia show that was like us doing like development and production in Hollywood lingo um so a
little like anecdote or more of a joke so Chris Rock set of Pat Riley the very successful NBA coach who happened to be white but you'll get why I mentioned white but you'll get why I mentioned that Chris Rock who's black said no man
has led more black young men to the promised land than Pat rley who was coach of the Lakers Nicks and heat really obviously helped a lot of young really obviously helped a lot of young black athletes succeed and so not
comparing myself to Pat Riley nobody hired and gave more opportunities to inexperience out of Montreal but just like North America because I was just like very idealistic and ni I was just hiring kids out of school because I was
not really given opportunities so I was like you know obviously I would prefer experience but I never like discounted or you know just disregarded kids kids 21 22 24 25 I myself at the time was like probably 35 I just hired everybody
assumption that everybody had those three bubbles I was like okay you know this guy could work on Junior Mojo which was like our Nickelodeon so to speak or this gal could produce this lineup show even if maybe they didn't have any
experience and sometimes it worked but admittedly most of the time it didn't because there was just so much clutter and whereas we basically went all in like total war on watch mro where the whole company was was in it um you know
and this is the lineup yeah so it was like a game show so we we kind of like we partially in it it was like always an afterthought and we were very skittish about do we promote the lineup which clearly good old Adrian there so it was
like you know do we promote that was in the show I think that was an ad but the show is more just like a format where there's contestants and all that when we put this on watch Mojo yeah the audience is like what the hell is this this is
not what I signed up for unsub this like go die it was hard but it was also me learning the hard way you know my critics always said you wasted so much money uh and I was like well we didn't really waste it it was called an
investment but nonetheless you know we did invest in a lot of these shows a lot of these formats and you know we had some successes right in this total some successes right in this total episode of um expansion Miss Mojo snap
um and and many others but clearly admittedly none of them ever came close to watch Mojo and it was humbling but it was like that's business right and you know I never criticized and maybe I should have but I never criticized the
people um it was just that you know the amount of backing we put and commitment we put to watch Mojo we didn't do on these other things because they were just a show they were just this extra thing so miss Mojo came the closest to
to like achieving watch Mojo status in terms of of like viewership and and and presence are there any projects that you feel were kind of a missed opportunity that that had the potential to be big but maybe just didn't deliver um so I
mean there's like probably a very corporate diplomatic answer which is not people's time and if there's a young Storyteller entrepreneur I rather give Storyteller entrepreneur I rather give them value and and real advice so in I
realized that I was always very yeah I'm doing this podcast because we're we we are trying to expand in podcast same themes right and here we have authority and and we're like credible right um but I I I'm always been very skittish
actually about being in front of the camera like even in the company I view myself more as a CEO manager leader whatever cheerleader than Talent even if I am a writer and researcher at heart uh but I've always hesitated to kind of
push get even as I talk about it now I'm a bit like nervous you know I've always hesitant to get behind my own ideas and I always even if I start off saying oh let's say script it I have an idea I try to be very collaborative and sometimes I
would just defer to others so that the team would get behind it and it wasn't the Optics of oh this is just Ash's pet project that was a mistake right like it's not anything about those people but like if you're in Hollywood you start
off working at Sony or Disney and you do fetch coffee you do go get your boss's dry cleaning forget the Harvey Weinstein treatment that we won't even get to right so that is the way Hollywood works you really start and you expose there's
Harvey there but you expose young talent to the way ideas are developed and talent is cast and Concepts go from just an idea to reality I idealistic mofo
just gave people money and said go do this right which was like batshit crazy it was a Monumental mistake like I signed a development deal with like sonar entertainment which had like a lot of actual successful shows but I never
really got behind it partly because Hollywood's a backwards place but I was always skittish whereas sometimes I would get some random new guy and he or she would produce a show and then if they left where's the creative behind
that show right and they would also maybe not have some of the other bubbles organizational skills to then look at the data to give recommendations to others sometimes there would be a lot of infighting and I would have these like
two kids out of school who wouldn't get along and I would just be like what the [ __ ] did I do like I could have just pursued my own ideas you know um so my honest advice is as that Steve Jobs like follow your own intuition follow your
extreme and just be like I'm a star like that's bad like don't be at that end of the spectrum but I was probably the the one thing I regret is is is that which I
kind of just passed the puck didn't really give feedback because I didn't want to seem like I was micromanaging and a lot of those ideas went nowhere and it was a Monumental sure waste of money as per my critics but to me it was
development if you don't do it you know you fail and that's what separates real entrepreneurs from the the wannabes and in fact I was thinking about this as I was thinking about the show the toughest job in the world is motherhood like
painful when you give birth I think the only thing that Rivals the pain pain of that I've read is being burnt a lot just to for context let alone raising a kid but we're not here to talk about that today entrepreneurship is the hardest
see the vision see the opportunity you have to align a lot of people who have their own insecurities their own goals and you constantly have to balance like the great or good with individuals who kind of go in the same way but so the
difference I realize is between a Founder entrepreneur and a CEO if I could be candid is like I'm not a communist at all but like I believe in like people and like labor and ideas which are come from men and women so to
speak whereas I could have just taken the the the profits of the company and invested it in an index fund and called it a day and said screw that but so a CEO is usually playing with the company's money that they don't own they
are hired by the board so it's very easy more for you a car for you you win a car you know whereas as an entrepreneur it's it's like you you are long-term greedy at best you constantly are foregoing as a father would as a provider would like
oh I'll eat the crust of the pizza you have the pizza type of thing and and I like if I had to give advice to younger entrepreneurs is I go don't be selfish but be a bit more selfish you know it's good to be selfless you have to be
you know I mortgage my place I don't have anything to prove to anybody but when I mention these things it's not to bother new employees who don't care it's just to kind of teach young younger entrepreneurs that there's a tradeoff
that according to you your own sensitivities you have to be not selfish but still a little bit selfish you know and I'm not talking money I'm really and I'm not talking money I'm really just talking about ideas energy and time
so yeah there's like a period of five years where I really was very patient with a lot of people and admittedly if these folks who were fine individuals would not have lasted more than a few months cuz I would have been like yeah
they're just not able to do those three bubbles they're just not able to get the job done during this time of expansion were there any ambitious projects that pulling the trigger on but really really wanted to yeah I would say I actually
mjo I was sitting on my couch in my condo which I subsequently mortgaged to keep the company a float and my wife and I um I told her about some scripted projects I had and I probably in another life parallel I probably could have been
very good at that comedies dramas action like I have a my imagination could probably should be celled a bit so I'm always thinking and you know whatever so it made no sense whatsoever in 2005 to
quarter million bucks you put that in a movie it'll most likely fail or even if it's creatively successful commercially most likely it'll fail so I felt the risk return didn't make sense and I thought building
a media company like watch mro would allow me a better platform to eventually pursue those but because of my personal disposition to not want to be too much like I have an idea let's do this I never pursued those ideas even though I
had like development deals with sonar and during Peak TV era where like the not saying those guys would have come to me and said Ash you're this guy that does top 10 list featuring clips from other IP that is also an issue that
Hollywood for all their creativity it's a lot of narrow-minded people it's not very narrow like you have one guy who's in charge of development of scripted who's in charge of production there's a guy who's in charge of compliance
clearances right so that was also part of it that like when I would explore these ideas I saw how close-minded Hollywood was their mind could not media company with a background in business who was doing these top 10
lists featuring you know movies and TV shows could actually do this although it was the treatment the log lines the like this is pretty good oh yeah and also I'd written books and I ended up
producing a documentary so at 46 I probably would not have admitted this two years ago I probably should have done those but I've also learned that life is very long sure tomorrow I could get hit by lightning and die but I was
like yeah you know what start to be a bit more selfish and you know you could have your principles but when you put your principles in practice you learn that those are probably the projects that you should do so instead of moping
and complaining which I'm not again I'm just sharing uh experiences those are more and you guys have seen this year I've gotten more involved uh because we working with you working with the producers of the show and I see how
talented people are but even I myself am open to feedback even I make mistakes people feedback and you're just like good work good work good work when they diplomatic you're like hey guys this was a bit of a monumental colossal mind [ __ ]
traumatized and then you're like well you do them a disservice by not telling them right so that's when you have to start to change and it's never too late was maybe yesterday the second best time is today absolutely yeah that that's
that's for sure um the way that the platform has evolved now has your approach to new projects or even the international side of things changed like I know that YouTube has implemented new things like translations and
captions into videos does that make international channels less valuable or mean value is in the eyes of the beholder let's use Indonesia which a lot Indonesia if Indonesia has 350 million
people in in 10 years and we have as an example 10 million subscribers there generate not enough for me to buy you this bottle of water right so value is relative for so to any good entrepreneur not to like losers who are just thinking
of near term or just buried in a p&l um so I think there's Indonesia so so I think that I still am committed to International but also one reason I
not necessarily that we needed the money was because I needed a balance I needed was because I needed a balance I needed to be put in like a straight jacket Shackled a bit because I was just saying yes to everything and just you know
investing quite a bit so I think International has value but if you manage it wearing my finance hat as a portfolio you're like I don't need at all to make money but it shouldn't lose money where it then harms the company so
if the gains of Spanish if there are gains offset the losses of Indonesia as a whole then there's Merit to continue but also if it makes sense right like using but I mean no disrespect here but like let's say our our Arabic channel
well yeah like we may not run the I always refer the top 10 lesbian scenes or whatever in movies like sensitivity you're not going to do that there or you're not going to do best bacon dishes like we're not stupid right um I'll
showed the South Park episode with Muhammad and I was like thank you guys thank you for for showing this you know and then anyway it's fine we removed it finance but you have to put that all together and make good decisions so
International to me still makes sense as a portfolio but yeah what I tell the team is authenticity if somebody came to me and said we should launch a health Channel I'm like who's the voice who's the editorial leader you know I could
fake it can't you tell but you're not really going to stand out in a world with no barriers to entry right so I just tell the and this is why it's not a coinci I know we've had many other podcasts you've had tremendous success
with your podcast on on the UAP theme which again I still like to call UFOs UFOs lots of people still do yeah I mean it's crazy to me I'm like you in a very affectionate way I'm like why didn't you just call it UFOs at first but it's fine
uh not a big deal but but I'm like the reason why I was like let's do this first was as like as like a showcase to be like hey if you could have the expertise on YouTube this is a podcast on YouTube to me more than watch Mojo
like if anybody else wants to do a podcast what's the authority who's the authority you know because otherwise everybody has a podcast everybody can do the video so I am a lot more uh maybe a bit more Hollywood studio to be like
first of all well you're prove yourself you know go do something small show me that you could do it and then I'll give you a bigger chance even though my heart heart has always been just anybody can do anything but that's a disservice
telling anybody could be an entrepreneur is uh feeding a bunch of sheep to wolves basically yep we're what we're looking at the unveiled Channel now which uh hosts some of the UAP podcast but they're also present on the core Channel
which is where they've gotten a lot of their views from so so our our watch Mojo audience loves aliens and UFOs this this I learned no that they do uh we got poll results from the the poll that I put up earlier so once again we asked
which of these skills do you think is the most important to succeed in media and I think unsurprisingly 62% said talent and creativity is number one followed by ambition and persistence 24% and management and business skills 133%
take care of that no I agree I mean I put 50 just to convey that that's the main one 62 is fine no surprises yeah no look again especially on YouTube it would be higher but the key is that is you do have to you know yesterday a
gentleman in Montreal who's trying to get like the startup Community to uh you know pick up he was like why are Canadian startup so mid like why is the scene so suck you know and I I told him I said M Canada is not a risk-taking
culture uh and and I said a lot of other things um ultimately to try to be constructive but I did conclude it on that point I said ultimately right now there is so much Venture Capital out there that if four people forget of the
followers and you need those right I talk about eagles and turkeys they're both important a turkey can feed many people but a turkey will never be an eagle and an eagle is a predator they're both they play their
than the other yeah but what I told them is I said if you have four guys who go to like let's say a conference with ideas to start a business and all four launch a startup just because there's cash available to them they'll maybe all
four fail but if let's say three of them can have a meeting of the minds and say we're going to combine for because we have complimentary skills that's what I told them I said the odds of this one company being successful will probably
be dramatically higher so yeah I think this supports the poll results as well totally so next week we will be talking about the infamous 2016 Hack That watch Mojo fell victim to uh give us a little preview of
that do we have to no I mean that's PTSD I mean this is therapy right now um that's actually a good example of me uh being very like you know laidback not micromanaging not being an anal [ __ ] and telling
people to be more careful with security like letting people use personal emails and you know not being like oh you didn't put twostep verification if you don't do it by Friday like you're fired not that I would do it for that and so
not that I would do it for that and so um a very dear team member uh his account got compromised and I never said anything to him I've mentioned it a few times it's just for for it's water under the bridge but I and this could have
actually it was probably one of my accounts initially um but yeah it was basically it wasn't I don't know I mean it was probably malicious but it wasn't fatal at least um it did hurt us but again I'm a very
this bottle this bottle is half full right so I go some companies get hacked right so I go some companies get hacked like Sony and careers are ended and um a lot of bad things happen and in our case you know it was a lesson it did hurt us
but you know what again some people lose their homes some people lose their lives their loved ones so it was another you know I'm a Brazilian [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] like it sucked but I was like life goes on uh but it allowed
was like life goes on uh but it allowed me to just tell the team look look that's why I say do certain things um and I still stayed very demure even they go you demure but I was like you know but it was just a good example of
know but it was just a good example of being paranoid being a bit more uh slow not you know it's good to be it's good to be quick and agile but you never want to be in a rush or in haste because then mistakes happen but we'll talk about
more I'm not on medication but maybe I'll take some medication that's life tune in next Thursday to hear about another traumatizing moment from Ash's career cool you guys are enjoying this
more than I am this is great I love these St you guys are the say this all right thanks everybody see you next time cheers thank you