[0:05] Hello and welcome to this car pod.
[0:09] >> I'm Nick.
[0:11] >> I'm Doug and we start this week with
[0:13] some sad news. Cannon, did you hear?
[0:15] >> I did. I heard that Jeremy Clarkson's
[0:17] been diagnosed with an aggressive but
[0:19] caught early form of prostate cancer.
[0:21] Which is
[0:22] >> Yeah.
[0:23] >> really scary and sad. He's 66. So it's
[0:26] I'm very glad they caught it at least
[0:28] but you know, it it really makes things
[0:30] very real
[0:31] and it's it's it's incredibly sad news
[0:34] and you know, it
[0:36] it's devastating.
[0:36] >> Yeah, no, it's tough.
[0:38] Who knows what'll come of it. I bet he
[0:40] knows more than he's saying. Obviously,
[0:42] he's known for a little while
[0:44] but it's hard to know exactly how it's
[0:46] going to shake down. He's obviously an
[0:47] idol of anybody in our generation who's
[0:49] into cars
[0:51] and it's just a reminder that you know,
[0:54] life can be fleeting.
[0:55] >> Right and fragile. But yeah, it's
[0:58] you know, I don't want to say that's all
[0:59] doom and gloom just yet. He's still
[1:01] still around but like you know,
[1:03] to your point. Nick of course does not
[1:04] know who Jeremy Clarkson is cuz he never
[1:06] watched Top Gear. So for Nick, you can
[1:08] just take a nap here. But he really
[1:10] you know, he
[1:12] he really was the the bombastic voice of
[1:14] entertainment in the automotive industry
[1:16] and what they created he and Andy Wilman
[1:18] and obviously Richard and James like
[1:21] I can't believe you haven't gone back
[1:23] and watched more of it because it is it
[1:25] is truly not only like for cars. It is
[1:28] such an entertaining show and like it
[1:30] it's I hope maybe this will be the
[1:32] trigger. Yeah, it changed all of our
[1:33] lives truly.
[1:34] >> Nothing in history will ever have
[1:36] changed my life more. I mean, it's it's
[1:39] in terms of content. Um Anyway, he's not
[1:42] dead. We're not eulogizing him but it's
[1:43] obviously a big deal. It's sad news in
[1:46] the car community. We just found out
[1:47] about it yesterday. He kind of publicly
[1:49] announced it sort of
[1:51] um
[1:51] in a bit of a very Clarkson way. Not not
[1:53] with some big flashy announcement but
[1:56] um
[1:57] and and we'll we wish him the best and
[1:59] we hope to hear more.
[2:01] And Nick, maybe this can be your sign to
[2:03] go and watch a little top gear.
[2:04] >> I I have gone back and watched some
[2:06] since since coming out a year or two ago
[2:08] that I hadn't I did not grow up watching
[2:10] it.
[2:10] I would say that my my father is not
[2:13] only an oncologist, but also has
[2:15] prostate cancer as well. Get your PSA
[2:17] levels checked starting at like age 40.
[2:19] It happens younger and younger and the
[2:21] earlier you catch it, the better. So, in
[2:23] a serious note,
[2:25] it is not preventable, but the earlier
[2:27] you detect it, the better. And I do hope
[2:29] sincerely that they caught it early
[2:31] enough that it is treatable through
[2:32] radiation and so on. My dad
[2:34] >> We wish him the best as well.
[2:35] >> was caught early enough that they
[2:37] basically he's now in remission and it's
[2:39] just totally livable. So, a lot of times
[2:42] it is not as serious. The fact that they
[2:44] said it was aggressive does scare me a
[2:46] bit but
[2:47] I sincerely hope he's going to be okay.
[2:49] >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's good
[2:51] advice. We wish him the best. We we hope
[2:53] for a good outcome. Bit of a somber
[2:54] start to the pod, but there is our next
[2:57] story, a more positive note for we have
[2:59] here. Some sort of BMW.
[3:02] >> [laughter]
[3:02] >> Well, I don't know what this this is.
[3:03] >> It is only uphill from here. This is the
[3:05] new BMW new class concept.
[3:07] >> Neuer class.
[3:09] >> [laughter]
[3:10] >> Please the German in the group. Go
[3:12] ahead.
[3:13] >> It's the Neuer class. Yeah, you have to
[3:14] pronounce it correctly.
[3:15] >> Okay.
[3:15] >> What what is going on with this? It's
[3:17] electric. It looks like an E30 M3 a
[3:19] little bit.
[3:20] >> Exactly. [snorts] It is a new design
[3:21] study for the upcoming BMW
[3:24] new revised front fascia. They actually
[3:26] teased this a couple months ago which we
[3:27] did cover, but now it is official. BMW
[3:30] is putting this out there and
[3:33] indicating this will be the next. They
[3:34] also indicated the next M3 will not be a
[3:36] hybrid. So, good news BMW fans, you can
[3:39] rejoice and or let out a sigh of relief
[3:42] that BMW is not going to screw things up
[3:44] again.
[3:45] >> That's nice.
[3:45] >> But so, explain this to me. Like this
[3:47] this was an specifically an M concept
[3:49] car. They had they had teased the
[3:51] regular Neue Klasse
[3:55] version as a concept car a few months
[3:57] ago or maybe a year, and this is an M
[3:59] version, which is cool.
[4:01] They're saying the next M won't be
[4:03] electric. So, are they Is the plan to
[4:04] split it? Have they announced anything?
[4:06] Is that what we're just what we're
[4:07] thinking?
[4:08] >> My understanding was that they planned
[4:09] to split it, that there would be
[4:10] electric and gasoline versions. Um my
[4:13] understanding also is this is kind of
[4:14] hints what the next M3 is going to look
[4:16] like, which if that is the case
[4:18] But I I like it. I I really like the
[4:20] design elements of this. I think that
[4:22] this is a lot more the kind of car BMW
[4:24] should be making. I love that the big
[4:25] grills are are different. This is much
[4:27] more palatable
[4:29] >> [laughter]
[4:29] >> than what the the F the uh the G80 M3.
[4:32] But I think it looks really good. And
[4:35] this is honestly the first time in a
[4:36] while that I felt like a BMW concept
[4:38] comes out and I'm like, "You know what?
[4:40] I'm I'm into this. I'm I'm here for it."
[4:42] I These little
[4:43] >> But the new 5 Series looks good.
[4:44] >> The new The new The new 5 is fine. I
[4:47] don't you know, I'm not fawning over it.
[4:49] I think it's okay. It's It's better than
[4:51] a lot of other cars they've rolled out
[4:52] with. I know you vehemently disagree,
[4:53] but like it's fine. Like it's a car. It
[4:55] It looks fine. I'm I'm cool with it. But
[4:57] this is exciting, and I I think if this
[5:00] is what the next M3 looks like, I think
[5:01] a lot of people are going to be actually
[5:02] very into
[5:03] >> going to be hot.
[5:04] >> Yeah, and I think this will be very good
[5:05] for BMW.
[5:05] >> it's it's this is an electric car. So,
[5:08] it seems to me that if they're saying
[5:10] the next M3 won't be a hybrid, there's
[5:13] also an implication that it that it
[5:15] there's going to be a gas version and an
[5:17] electric version, maybe.
[5:18] >> I think that's probably what's going to
[5:20] happen. And right now it is kind of
[5:21] hearsay. We'll see what actually future
[5:23] actually holds for it, but
[5:24] >> It is interesting. Them them confirming
[5:26] that it won't be a hybrid, I wonder if
[5:27] that's direct response to the pushback
[5:30] on the curb weight of the M5. There was
[5:33] such an enormous pushback because they
[5:35] had made it a gas car and have a hybrid
[5:36] electric powertrain. And there's real
[5:38] advantages to that. Like real advantages
[5:40] to that. You can still have a engine
[5:42] with a noise, where at the same time you
[5:44] get extra power from electric. And
[5:46] basically everybody has gone down that
[5:47] road and Ferrari with the SF90 and the
[5:49] Temerario and all these cars but the
[5:51] drawback is all of those cars are porky.
[5:53] >> Exactly.
[5:54] >> They are they are big
[5:56] cars and and I wonder if BMW is just
[5:59] they don't want to go down that road.
[6:00] >> Well, the M3 should not be porky. An M5
[6:02] can kind of get away with it because
[6:04] it's more built for highway like
[6:06] cruising and like going fast in a
[6:08] straight line. More of the kind of an
[6:10] American approach to speed. But the M3
[6:12] has always been about balance and
[6:13] precision and handling and so like
[6:15] weight just is the antithesis of all of
[6:18] those things.
[6:19] So, you know, but nonetheless like as a
[6:21] design brief
[6:22] >> If this is what an electric M3 looks
[6:23] like, I'm here for it and I'm curious to
[6:25] see what you know, what the numbers are
[6:26] like for the
[6:26] >> And from the official website and a
[6:28] statement from their head of design for
[6:31] the BMW compact class
[6:33] new class
[6:34] >> Neuer
[6:35] >> Neuer class and BMW M division, this is
[6:37] a new design language for BMW M
[6:39] automobiles. So, I it is not meant to be
[6:42] just this vehicle. I I think this design
[6:44] language is meant to be spread out
[6:46] across the M line in the future which
[6:48] maybe they'll start with the XM.
[6:50] Um that would be a good one to redesign.
[6:52] >> No, just kill it. Fire.
[6:54] >> Just kill it.
[6:55] >> For sure.
[6:55] >> [laughter]
[6:56] >> Um
[6:57] the next big news story this week was
[7:00] new pickup trucks from General Motors.
[7:03] Uh to me this is basically a redesign.
[7:06] Uh totally new look, totally new
[7:08] interior, new powertrains.
[7:11] >> Bigger V8s.
[7:13] >> Bigger V8s
[7:15] uh which is pretty crazy. 5.7 and 6.6 L
[7:18] V8s.
[7:19] Um the 2.7 turbo four-cylinder is still
[7:21] sort of the base engine.
[7:23] Uh this is exciting. Nick, are you
[7:24] excited as a truck man?
[7:26] >> I love the competition between the big
[7:28] three. I don't count Toyota in that but
[7:30] um
[7:32] It's it's exciting to see
[7:34] >> Cuz Toyota wins.
[7:35] >> [laughter]
[7:37] >> Some of us like American trucks. I think
[7:39] it looks great. Again, I'm a Ford guy
[7:40] but I can get behind the Chevy. Uh the
[7:43] looks are almost universally across the
[7:45] inner webs regarded as well, that is
[7:47] that is like the freshest, nicest
[7:49] facelift / redesign on the market. Um
[7:52] it's a such a competitive market that it
[7:55] it takes a lot to really stay top of
[7:57] mind and to attract buyers. Like a lot
[7:59] of the truck buyers are going to buy a
[8:01] pickup. And so the only really way to
[8:03] expand your market share is to steal
[8:05] away from Dodge or Ford. So I think
[8:08] Chevy redesigning, making it fresh,
[8:10] making it exciting will get a couple
[8:12] Ford or Dodge buyers to look their way
[8:14] and consider it because it's it's all
[8:16] new and it's exciting. So I I'm I think
[8:18] it it could be a good move for them at a
[8:20] good time. And again, keeping the V8s
[8:22] and everything people like.
[8:24] >> Keeping the V8s is definitely an
[8:25] interesting thing. I'm curious, you
[8:27] know, where in the development cycle
[8:28] that decision was made as obviously as
[8:31] Ford has heavily started to rely on
[8:32] six-cylinder powertrains. This is a this
[8:34] is an attractive truck. It was
[8:35] attractive before, relatively
[8:37] attractive, it's attractive still.
[8:38] They're really pushing I They sent me
[8:40] the press release last week and they're
[8:42] really pushing the the off-road
[8:44] versions, the Trail Boss, which I think
[8:45] it's sort of a middling off-roader if
[8:47] we're honest. But also the ZR2, which is
[8:49] a pretty more substantial off-roader.
[8:52] Almost in becoming in the vein of kind
[8:54] of the Raptor. And I'm interested to see
[8:57] how that actually
[8:58] feels and how it actually succeeds.
[9:01] Obviously, there's new luxury that you
[9:03] know, all of the trims are new. There's
[9:04] big new screen in the center.
[9:06] Um They were they were they were heavily
[9:08] pushing also the High Country, which is
[9:10] the luxury version is you know, it has
[9:11] this and that and all these luxury
[9:13] features. The thing that also interests
[9:15] me about this update is that it probably
[9:17] will will also affect the Suburban and
[9:20] the Tahoe.
[9:21] >> Um yep.
[9:22] >> Which were fairly recently updated
[9:23] themselves, but it'll be interesting to
[9:26] see if those vehicles get new
[9:27] powertrains etc. They you assume they
[9:28] have to. They all kind of share the same
[9:31] the same
[9:32] um architecture and that kind of thing.
[9:34] >> The the The thing to your point is it's
[9:36] not quite the Raptor edition, but
[9:38] uh if you think about it, the the Raptor
[9:41] R is what you have to buy if you want a
[9:42] V8 in the Raptor. You're spending well
[9:45] over $100,000, and it's still only 5.2
[9:48] L.
[9:49] So, Chevy can now say, "Hey dude, you
[9:50] can get a 6.6 L V8 without spending 100
[9:53] grand and have the majority of the
[9:55] off-road components you want." It's
[9:57] starting to get pretty compelling,
[9:58] especially for those that don't have 100
[10:00] grand to spend on a off-roader. And and
[10:02] frankly,
[10:04] being around those Raptors and Raptor
[10:05] Rs, they're still not that fast. So,
[10:07] you're kind of doing it for the sound,
[10:08] the big burly V8s. Like, maybe this is
[10:11] actually a decent option for some of
[10:12] those folks.
[10:13] >> Yeah. Yeah, they're not going to do it.
[10:15] There are people who really, really just
[10:17] damn want a V8, for sure.
[10:19] >> You you do the Raptor R for the flex,
[10:21] not for the actual capabilities most of
[10:23] the time, but I it just this is like a
[10:25] more rational choice for the majority of
[10:28] the people who end up buying Raptor and
[10:29] Raptor Rs.
[10:30] >> I am curious to see exactly which
[10:33] powertrains will be in which vehicles,
[10:35] but even the top-level they haven't
[10:37] announced horsepower yet. Um so, you
[10:40] know, it's it's it'll be kind of
[10:41] interesting to see. But, if you can get
[10:42] a ZR2 with that new 6.6 L V8, the old
[10:45] 6.2, which was the top engine before, it
[10:48] was putting out, I think, something like
[10:49] 420 horsepower. So, you got to assume
[10:51] the new one's going to be at least 450,
[10:54] um maybe even more given the the it's
[10:57] just physically larger, and that's what
[10:59] Raptor makes. So, you're you're kind of
[11:01] you're kind of in competition there.
[11:03] That'll be
[11:05] >> Yeah, that'll be interesting to see. And
[11:06] and and people have sort of
[11:08] gone away from the RAM TRX. I'm not even
[11:10] still sure if they still make it. That's
[11:11] a six-cylinder as well.
[11:13] >> kill that off, I believe. The the other
[11:15] The other announcement is um the base
[11:18] Silverado work truck gets the Duramax
[11:20] diesel. So, they're expanding the the
[11:23] work truck range, too. So, pretty cool
[11:25] from like basically the the entry-level
[11:28] all the way to the top dog. I would like
[11:30] to see a ZR2 Max or ZR2 Plus or what
[11:32] have you that just takes it up just a
[11:34] little bit more, but uh I think this is
[11:37] enough for now.
[11:38] >> Here's what you do, Nick. I'm going to
[11:39] tell you what you do. You to get the
[11:41] ZR2, it's a it's an off-road pickup. You
[11:44] get the ZR1 and it's a Corvette, right?
[11:47] You put the ZR1 engine in the ZR2 pickup
[11:50] and you call it the ZR3.
[11:55] >> [laughter]
[11:56] >> I like it.
[11:57] >> This is something that you guys can
[11:59] consider.
[12:00] >> Why why stop there though? Like the like
[12:02] the Countach, what make it the 3000?
[12:05] >> ZR3000. Doesn't that sound better?
[12:07] >> Yeah, I'd pay extra for that.
[12:09] >> Yeah.
[12:10] Yeah, I think it does.
[12:12] >> like a very 1970s
[12:14] >> [laughter]
[12:15] >> Would you be at all shocked if they went
[12:16] that route?
[12:17] >> Honestly, no.
[12:19] >> Uh regardless, remains a competitive
[12:21] truck, very competitive segment. They
[12:23] have to do a lot to stay competitive and
[12:25] it looks like they are. Curious to
[12:26] review these vehicles uh when they will
[12:28] come out. Uh looks like they're going to
[12:30] sell at the end of the year. So, they're
[12:31] not that far away. They're probably
[12:32] going into production here in the next
[12:34] 90 days or something. So, it'll be I'll
[12:36] be excited to see it.
[12:37] >> Also, quick fact check. I'm not sure who
[12:38] said it, but the RHO is continuing. So,
[12:41] scratch that from the record.
[12:42] >> I am sure who said [laughter] it.
[12:45] >> A lot of people are saying it, but it's
[12:47] not true.
[12:48] >> They say RHO is such a great truck and
[12:51] and
[12:52] >> I'm so disappointed perpetually that
[12:54] people don't like it. You know, Ram's
[12:56] problem with that truck will always have
[12:57] been that they started with the TRX and
[12:59] then went backwards. Whereas Ford
[13:01] started with the Raptor and then went
[13:03] upwards to the Raptor R. And so, there's
[13:04] they got a lot of credibility. Whereas
[13:06] going backwards for the RHO, even though
[13:08] it's got way more power than a Raptor,
[13:09] people are still like, "Ah, it's not a
[13:11] TRX."
[13:12] >> And the ZR2 has the same issue. It's
[13:13] basically an RHO competitor of sorts,
[13:16] but everyone just wants the the volume
[13:18] dial up to 11. Like they they want the
[13:21] the flex.
[13:21] >> Although, when you look at actual
[13:22] consumers, the the regular Raptor
[13:24] radically outsells the Raptor R,
[13:26] radically. I mean, the Raptor R is
[13:28] incredibly expensive. Um, but the TRX
[13:30] never really did sell in in particularly
[13:32] strong numbers relative to how the TRX
[13:33] used to. I've very only seen a couple of
[13:35] them on the road. They are just not that
[13:37] common. Um, I am excited for the the
[13:40] ZR2, which I'm predicting right here on
[13:42] this podcast Chevy will do.
[13:45] >> Call it the 3000. Come
[13:46] >> Add it to your calendar.
[13:47] >> All right. So, as I've talked about on
[13:48] the podcast a bunch of times, about a
[13:50] year ago my wife's stepfather passed
[13:53] away after a long battle with cancer,
[13:55] and we inherited the 1973 Ford F250.
[13:58] We've done a few things to get it up and
[14:00] running and to get it finally out here
[14:01] to California. But now it's time to get
[14:03] it fully sorted out. To get this truck
[14:06] in the condition that it deserves to be
[14:07] in, we're going to hit up AutoZone for
[14:09] their quality parts that fit and
[14:11] function like original equipment.
[14:12] Thankfully, AutoZone has a wide
[14:14] assortment of parts, everything from
[14:16] control arms to fuel pumps and
[14:17] everything in between. And we can go in
[14:20] store today to get them and really keep
[14:22] this build moving. So, let's look
[14:24] around, see what we might need, go to
[14:26] AutoZone, and get this started. It's an
[14:29] old truck that sat for years and years
[14:31] and years. Uh, and it was going to need
[14:33] more things. It's going to need some
[14:35] things to keep it reliable, uh, and to
[14:38] just get it back to the condition it
[14:39] deserves to be in. For example, most of
[14:42] the bulbs no longer work. Probably a
[14:45] good idea to have them. If we're out and
[14:47] about, I want to make sure that the
[14:48] truck starts, and so a new battery is a
[14:50] no-brainer. We'll also want to get new
[14:53] fluids all around. None of it's that
[14:55] old. A lot of it got swapped out, but
[14:57] the truck didn't run for years, and it
[14:59] seems worth doing just for peace of
[15:00] mind. There's also a bunch of other
[15:02] things that I expect that I will need to
[15:04] get this project in a state that I'm
[15:06] happy with. It probably want new shocks.
[15:08] Definitely need a new oil change. I
[15:09] wouldn't be shocked if we need a new
[15:10] alternator. I also just realized I don't
[15:13] think that this tailgate opens right
[15:14] now. I've made a list. It's quite a long
[15:16] one. Luckily, I am confident that the
[15:19] folks at AutoZone can and me get what I
[15:20] need. So, stay tuned to this CarPod to
[15:23] see what we start with as we tackle this
[15:25] project with the help from our friends
[15:27] at AutoZone. Now, back to the studio.
[15:38] >> Yep. Next uh news story, please. What
[15:40] else we got going on?
[15:41] >> Uh yes.
[15:42] >> Porsche. More German car news. This is a
[15:43] Porsche podcast. So, recently an
[15:45] executive in an interview with Auto
[15:47] Motor und Sport said that Porsche will
[15:50] not produce an electric version of the
[15:53] 911. Now, I want to be clear. It was
[15:56] well, I guess clear in the lack of
[15:57] clarity that it wasn't [laughter]
[15:59] He didn't He's not saying It's not clear
[16:01] if the car will never have an electric
[16:03] version or if it's just for the
[16:05] foreseeable future will not have an
[16:07] electric version. But obviously, since
[16:09] we've talked a lot about electric
[16:10] Porsches since you know, it was
[16:11] announced that the Cayenne and the
[16:12] Boxster were going to be electric,
[16:14] there's been a lot of pushback on the
[16:15] market. They even considered killing the
[16:16] project altogether. Uh but it went It
[16:18] went It went out of
[16:20] >> other way to say that at least it seems
[16:21] like the next generation 911 will not
[16:23] There will not be a fully electric
[16:25] version of it.
[16:25] >> Now, keep in mind, Porsche has announced
[16:27] a lot of things that they've walked them
[16:29] back over the years. Uh remember the
[16:30] electric Boxster? We're still waiting
[16:32] for that.
[16:33] >> [laughter]
[16:34] >> I I know. I know.
[16:35] >> Interestingly, it has just come out. I'm
[16:37] reading a a message that I'm just
[16:39] getting this this just in uh that that
[16:41] Porsche is adding uh simulated shifting
[16:44] to the Taycan for a Taycan facelift,
[16:46] which by the way is another thing they
[16:47] said they wouldn't do. Remember when
[16:49] Porsche was like,
[16:50] >> We're all for all-out performance, and
[16:51] that's just a silly gimmick. Well, guess
[16:53] what? Now they're doing that. I agree I
[16:55] Obviously, in today's market, they will
[16:57] not be making an electric 911. That is
[16:59] very clear to everybody. There was not
[17:00] really any serious consideration that
[17:02] they might. It's nice to hear it
[17:03] confirmed. However, you have to assume
[17:05] that someday there will be an electric
[17:07] 911. It just won't be the 994.
[17:10] >> Right. Right. Cuz you have to skip over
[17:12] the 993. Can't be the 993, you know,
[17:14] with a dot and yeah. The naming
[17:16] >> be that. It will be the 994.
[17:18] >> Yep. So, yeah. I The which
[17:20] >> I guess I guess makes me happy. I'm I
[17:22] think that it's kind of
[17:24] know they realize it's just not the
[17:26] right move right now. I think it's
[17:27] inevitable at some point there it will
[17:29] go that way. Just like not yet. So we
[17:31] have gasoline engines for a little while
[17:33] longer.
[17:33] >> Yep.
[17:35] Which is nice. Well, hybrids. I mean
[17:36] that's what they've got now in these
[17:37] cars. They're all hybrids. That that
[17:39] that that GTS.
[17:41] >> I'm fine with it. That that's it's
[17:43] totally
[17:44] >> it's it's it's what we have to have.
[17:45] They're letting us They're going to get
[17:47] us to electric 911s, but they're doing
[17:49] it very slowly
[17:52] so that we can really really get used to
[17:56] like the concept of it first.
[17:57] >> Yes, like a tectonic plate. They're just
[17:59] grinding away just a little
[18:01] >> [laughter]
[18:01] >> at a time.
[18:02] >> Slowly the change will happen.
[18:04] >> You do got to ease people into the idea.
[18:06] >> Of course you do. But sports cars are
[18:07] >> Well, then that was the thing that was
[18:09] the theory with the Mission E. I mean
[18:11] this whole thing was going to go like
[18:12] this. In their minds was going to go
[18:13] like this. They released the Mission E,
[18:14] which probably was supposed to come out
[18:16] last year. And they You have the top of
[18:19] the market is electric, right? And so
[18:20] then people are like, "Oh, if the
[18:22] supercar is electric, then I can have an
[18:25] electric car in my normal car." And then
[18:27] that it like it makes it feel cool. I
[18:29] mean the 918 did that 10 years ago. "Oh,
[18:31] the supercar is hybrid. Well, then I
[18:33] don't feel so bad about having a hybrid
[18:34] Cayenne or a hybrid Panamera or
[18:35] whatever." Um unfortunately, things
[18:38] changed, the world changed, the Mission
[18:40] E was canceled, the Boxster electric was
[18:42] canceled. This onslaught didn't really
[18:44] work, and so now they're kind of back to
[18:46] the drawing board with uh without a lot
[18:48] of funds to do it. Nick understands.
[18:50] Nick's been there, you know?
[18:52] Out of funds.
[18:54] Out of funds to have fun.
[18:57] Uh next news story, please.
[18:59] >> Uh yes, the Lamborghini John Tamarian.
[19:02] So recently obviously the coupe is now
[19:04] being delivered to the United States. I
[19:05] still have don't think I've ever seen a
[19:07] customer car. Even in Southern
[19:08] California, like I still haven't seen
[19:10] one. But even so, they are currently
[19:12] testing the Spider on the Nurburgring.
[19:14] There've been lots of spy shots of it
[19:15] coming out.
[19:17] I understand my my thing with this is
[19:18] like, you know, it's like, well, kind of
[19:20] whoop-de-do. We knew a Spider was going
[19:21] to come at some point, you know, it it
[19:23] appears that it's going to be a hardtop
[19:25] convertible, which is kind of
[19:26] interesting. Um but
[19:29] my thing with this is like I kind of
[19:31] would have liked if they were released
[19:32] at the same time. Like, it would have
[19:34] been nice like I understand that one of
[19:36] like it's exciting enough like they we
[19:38] still don't have them here. I would have
[19:40] but you know, we don't
[19:40] >> [laughter]
[19:41] >> need like more excitement. We're excited
[19:43] enough about the car. Like, we saw it 2
[19:45] years ago at Quail.
[19:46] >> Yeah.
[19:46] >> And like we've been like, you know,
[19:48] bring the thing already. Um so, like
[19:50] >> Yeah, you'd be surprised though. You'd
[19:52] be surprised how many people will buy
[19:54] both. If they come out at the same time,
[19:56] they won't. But, you'd be surprised how
[19:58] many people will buy a coupe and then
[20:01] because they want one of the first and
[20:02] then a year later the Spider comes out
[20:04] and they're at the dealer and they're
[20:05] like, oh, I can still trade in and not
[20:07] lose money and I can get a Spider. Like,
[20:09] I'm going to do it. You'd be surprised.
[20:10] >> Especially if that is a hard top because
[20:12] then you could kind of make the argument
[20:13] in your head of, oh, I have the best of
[20:14] both worlds. Like, I can have the hard
[20:16] top when I need it.
[20:17] >> Nick, do you remember when the Gallardo
[20:19] Spider came out in that sky blue color?
[20:21] >> Mhm.
[20:21] >> Yeah, yeah. Blue Cefis, I believe.
[20:25] >> That was so
[20:25] cool. Yep.
[20:27] >> You know, it's funny the Gallardo
[20:28] Spiders like maybe it's just the
[20:30] particular execution of the Gallardo,
[20:32] but like it's never really been as
[20:34] beloved. Like, that car
[20:36] the coupes are way more desirable. Like,
[20:39] a lot of cars the the the Spider / drop
[20:41] top commands a significant premium. It
[20:43] seems like
[20:44] >> that world. Not in that world. Typically
[20:46] cars of that ilk the the convertible is
[20:48] less desirable. Ask Kenan about the 355.
[20:50] But, also 360, the 430, the 458, all
[20:54] those cars. Like, only the limited ones
[20:57] the Spider
[20:57] >> But, do you think a hardtop Well, part
[20:58] of the problem with the Spider was it
[20:59] just never looked as good with the roof
[21:00] down. Like, the car looked better as a
[21:03] fixed roof hardtop.
[21:04] >> I think the automakers
[21:06] Yeah, one of the things I think the auto
[21:08] makers have figured out is to make this
[21:09] convertibles look a little less open.
[21:12] >> Yeah.
[21:13] >> Like the Gallardo had this roof that
[21:14] just sort of stopped and it looked
[21:16] weird. And the the the Huracan Spyder
[21:20] and the later Ferrari convertibles, they
[21:22] looked like they had more sort of car
[21:23] around the roof.
[21:25] >> Yep.
[21:25] >> And it like made them look less weird
[21:27] with the with the roof down.
[21:29] >> Spyder looks a lot like my Range Rover
[21:31] convertible. Like it just looks kind of
[21:34] done as an afterthought rather than done
[21:35] with intention.
[21:36] >> And it didn't look that great with the
[21:37] roof up either. The roof did like more
[21:39] of an arc than it probably should have.
[21:41] It wasn't the most attractive car. But
[21:43] it was a way to enjoy a V10 with the
[21:46] roof off. And as someone who enjoys a
[21:48] V10 with the roof off, I got to tell you
[21:50] >> Right if we push that that roof hasn't
[21:51] been off in a long time because we
[21:53] discovered with the roof on it's
[21:54] actually better. Um but yeah, I know
[21:56] >> Not to get in and out.
[21:57] >> Not to well, yeah, but it's about the
[21:59] driving experience. Once you're in then
[22:00] you're in. Once you're out then you're
[22:02] out. Um but I I am curious about this
[22:04] cuz the the Huracan Spyder one of its
[22:05] big problems was that the roof robbed a
[22:07] significant amount of legroom even for
[22:09] people who normally fit in sports cars
[22:11] and are smaller. Like it was a lot. So
[22:13] I'm kind of curious ergonomically how
[22:15] this feels.
[22:16] >> a bigger car, so in theory they should
[22:18] have more space to hide stuff and
[22:20] fit it in. But yeah, it's a good point.
[22:22] >> In theory, so yeah, but we'll certainly
[22:24] see. But nonetheless, it's exciting when
[22:25] a new Lamborghini comes along.
[22:26] >> And I can't wait cuz this is just the
[22:28] tip of the iceberg, right? We're going
[22:29] to get like the STO version, the STS.
[22:31] We're like there's going to be so many
[22:33] cool special editions. These These are
[22:35] the obvious ones, but just think of
[22:37] where do we get another lifted one, a
[22:39] rally version. Do we get a a Stradale,
[22:41] thank you. Um do we you know, do we get
[22:43] the STO version with the the with not
[22:45] the clam shell, but what's the front
[22:47] clip thing called?
[22:48] >> Oh, yeah, the yeah, the little pull the
[22:50] carbon fiber that
[22:51] >> peels off the front of the car.
[22:52] >> Yeah.
[22:53] >> We're going to get all sorts of cool
[22:54] stuff. So I I can't wait. Let's get the
[22:56] Spyder out of the way then keep going.
[22:58] >> a coupe.
[22:59] >> [laughter]
[23:00] >> Still have it.
[23:00] >> I've seen one.
[23:01] >> I really just drove around?
[23:02] >> At At Rancho Santa Fe.
[23:03] >> Oh, okay.
[23:04] >> But it's not It's not the most engaging
[23:06] car. I was so disappointed with that
[23:07] car. I still think about how
[23:08] disappointed I was. It's just still too
[23:10] big and too heavy and
[23:12] uh
[23:13] It's not what I want.
[23:14] >> Yeah. Well, you know, luckily the
[23:15] Huracan exists in a plenty. They're out
[23:17] there with that great NA V10. So
[23:19] >> On On a scale of 1 to 10, how rich guy
[23:21] go fast is it in your book, Doug?
[23:23] >> Oh, 10.
[23:24] >> 10. Oh.
[23:26] >> I mean, what do you think?
[23:27] >> I think there's worse, but I mean, I
[23:29] guess I felt that way about the Huracan
[23:30] and now I look back at the Huracan and
[23:31] I'm like, man, that V10 sounds good and
[23:33] they're coming down in value. Like it's
[23:36] lowered on that rich guy go fast scale
[23:38] to like
[23:38] >> But Lamborghinis have always been
[23:40] [laughter] for
[23:40] >> I never felt that way as much about
[23:41] Huracan. I don't know why. I guess
[23:42] McLaren kind of held that title for a
[23:44] long time, but man, rich guy go fast,
[23:46] you know?
[23:47] >> A rich guy go fast.
[23:48] >> think McLaren holds the title the title,
[23:50] personally.
[23:51] >> I think [laughter] the McLaren 10 is a
[23:53] 9. you know, 897 or something.
[23:55] >> I'd give it like a 7.
[23:57] >> All these cars are just not generally
[23:59] purchased by enthusiasts. They're
[24:00] purchased by people who want to go fast
[24:02] and are rich and who don't have an
[24:04] enormous amount of of
[24:06] >> You say that, but I I really think about
[24:08] this. Like, you know, the Michael
[24:09] Jordan's 550 Maranello, I think it's for
[24:11] sale right now. And like, he bought that
[24:13] because that was the fastest, the
[24:15] highest end thing at the time. He didn't
[24:17] keep it, to be clear. Like, none of
[24:19] Like, we look back and think, oh my god,
[24:20] the cars he had, the Turbo S ones. It's
[24:22] like, well, no, that was just the
[24:23] fastest, most expensive car at the time.
[24:25] And like, that's kind of like the
[24:26] All the cars that we love have all been
[24:28] rich guy go fast cars.
[24:30] Like, the Carrera GT when it came out
[24:31] was a rich guy go fast car, too. And
[24:33] people bought that who weren't into cars
[24:34] as much. I think with a manual, it maybe
[24:35] is a little bit different.
[24:37] But like, you know, they become
[24:38] appreciated by enthusiasts later on. I'm
[24:41] not saying that necessarily would be the
[24:42] case with this. Maybe it is, maybe it
[24:43] isn't. But when it's new, it's like,
[24:45] yeah, of course it's a rich guy go fast
[24:46] car. You have to be rich
[24:48] >> I think there are cars that are not I
[24:49] think there are cars that are not rich
[24:50] guy go fast and I think there are cars
[24:51] that are rich guy
[24:55] guy fast and I think that that the the
[24:57] automatic hybrids that towed only their
[24:59] horsepower and acceleration figures are
[25:01] rich guy go fast, and I think that
[25:04] when the car is more challenging, it's a
[25:06] different situation.
[25:07] >> Well, yes, part of the challenge in my
[25:09] view comes from I would rather have an
[25:10] older car of the same dollar figure and
[25:12] take on that challenge, but that's
[25:13] purely in retrospect. That's not apples
[25:14] to apples on new cars. I
[25:16] >> I'll give you an example, the T.50.
[25:18] That's not a rich guy go fast. That is a
[25:20] car for enthusiasts, and that is known
[25:22] from day one.
[25:23] >> I I think that's true of Carrera GT, and
[25:25] I think that's true of a lot of other
[25:26] cars.
[25:26] >> Got another one for you, Rimac Nevera.
[25:28] Where was that? One to 10?
[25:31] >> That's
[25:31] >> That wasn't even Talk about a level of
[25:33] unsophistication in order to buy that
[25:35] car. [laughter]
[25:36] Like, you you Oh, it's going to be cool.
[25:39] People tell me it's going to be cool.
[25:40] Like, you just have to have absolutely
[25:42] no market awareness at all
[25:44] >> [laughter]
[25:44] >> in order to buy a Rimac Nevera and then
[25:46] like talk it up. And there are some
[25:47] people out there who who did that. All
[25:49] right, time for our next news story,
[25:50] please.
[25:51] >> Um Audi. Must be Nick.
[25:54] >> Yes.
[25:54] >> There is a new A6 Allroad. It is not
[25:57] coming as the base wagon, but we do
[26:00] continue to get an A6 wagon in the form
[26:02] of the Allroad. It is 4 in wider. It's a
[26:04] little lifted. So, basically like your
[26:06] Mercedes, like we are only getting the
[26:08] off-road variant.
[26:10] Um it does not have the 2.7 L twin
[26:13] turbo but
[26:14] um there there should be either a 3 L
[26:16] turbo diesel V6 in Europe. Um and then
[26:19] America is more likely to get the 2 L
[26:21] inline four.
[26:22] >> What is your 2.7 L twin turbo comment?
[26:24] Are you making a joke about the original
[26:26] Allroad?
[26:27] >> man. The the Allroad belongs with the
[26:29] 2.7 L twin turbo.
[26:30] >> A6 is sold as an Allroad?
[26:32] >> Like I am.
[26:33] >> But but So, even that doesn't offer the
[26:35] 2.7 L
[26:36] >> belongs as an unreliable
[26:38] twin turbo V6.
[26:40] >> I do have to say First off, I think that
[26:42] updated A6
[26:44] new Allroad is the wagon. I think there
[26:45] will also be an RS6. I don't think we
[26:47] will only get the the Audi A6 Avant as
[26:50] an Allroad. I think we'll get an RS6 at
[26:51] some point. It's been very successful uh
[26:53] in the States.
[26:55] Um I am curious, you know, my my uh I've
[26:58] had six Mercedes-Benz E-Classes. I've
[27:00] had every generation of E-Class. I've
[27:01] had uh I we own a current one, a new
[27:03] one.
[27:04] Um
[27:05] but they ditched the third row, and I'm
[27:07] very curious if we end up in an
[27:08] all-road. I think the all-road looks
[27:10] better. It's chea- a lot cheaper. Um
[27:13] maybe it's just maybe it's time. They
[27:15] neither car has a third row now, so
[27:17] maybe
[27:17] >> sedan is supposed to start at 65. They
[27:21] have not announced the pricing on the
[27:22] all-road, but assume a little higher, so
[27:24] 70s.
[27:26] >> The current all-road starts
[27:28] at like 74. Uh this will be 75, 76. But
[27:32] it's a lot cheaper than the Mercedes.
[27:35] Um
[27:36] so that'll be interesting. I don't plan
[27:37] on replacing my E-Class wagon for a long
[27:39] long long long time, but at some point,
[27:41] you know, one day. Yeah. Maybe I walk
[27:43] away, Cannon. Maybe I say goodbye to my
[27:46] beloved E-Class.
[27:47] >> Oh, it's hard to imagine. You're such a
[27:49] Mercedes guy.
[27:50] >> I'm such an E-Class guy. So specifically
[27:53] an E-Class guy.
[27:53] >> cuz you're down on the G Wagon now.
[27:55] Yeah.
[27:56] >> No, no, I I am a Mercedes-Benz guy. I
[27:58] agree with that. But I've had six
[27:59] E-Classes. When if you look at my
[28:01] Mercedes-Benz history, it's like the
[28:03] that that G Wagon I had one other G
[28:05] Wagon years ago, and then it's just
[28:06] E-Classes. It's not even it's I've never
[28:08] really branched out.
[28:10] >> [laughter]
[28:12] >> That is interesting. I mean,
[28:14] yeah, more power to you. So we know what
[28:15] we're about.
[28:16] >> That's right.
[28:17] >> We know what we're about. We know what
[28:18] we're about. We've got We love a good
[28:20] E-Class. Nick's got one now.
[28:21] >> I drove it to the pod. Had a great time
[28:23] in it. I uh
[28:25] >> two right now, and I'll tell you,
[28:26] they're both great. I haven't seen one
[28:28] of them, in fact, it's still on the
[28:29] water, but they're both great.
[28:31] >> It's still swimming.
[28:31] >> I'm so excited for the the 210 that
[28:33] you're getting to to see it and compare
[28:35] them side by side and just have some
[28:37] fun. We got to find a wagon team
[28:39] adventure.
[28:40] >> You're especially excited for the Supra,
[28:41] too.
[28:43] >> Yeah, I'm especially excited for the 210
[28:44] wagon.
[28:45] >> The Supra's is to be cool. Don't get me
[28:46] wrong. I love the Supra. I the money is
[28:49] is substantial for them. Um I'm excited
[28:52] to drive one in stock format, assuming
[28:54] you'll throw me the keys. But the the
[28:56] wagon to me I'm I'm most excited for
[28:57] because I could see myself doing that.
[28:59] >> Uh okay. A6 Allroad pump for that will
[29:02] be a fantastic experience for everybody,
[29:04] especially Nick. Show us our next news
[29:06] story please.
[29:07] >> [snorts]
[29:07] >> I hope that's the real real
[29:08] >> Oh, another angle of the E6 Allroad.
[29:10] >> Yeah, we'll bring you
[29:11] >> to Mercedes Mercedes-Benz for you and
[29:13] Mercedes-Benz guy. Mercedes-Benz has
[29:15] announced that over the next So the next
[29:17] 36 months, the next 3 years, they're
[29:19] going to produce over 27 new AMG models,
[29:22] which is a lot. Now this allegedly comes
[29:25] because be it they're
[29:26] You know, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have
[29:27] always kind of been after one another.
[29:30] And BMW has continued M has continued to
[29:33] grow and grow and grow. So like they've
[29:35] reached their 14th consecutive year of
[29:36] growth. They sold 213,000 over 213,000
[29:39] units last year, whereas AMG sold about
[29:41] 145,000 units. So their solution for
[29:44] this is to throw AMG stuff at more cars.
[29:47] >> What are we calling a BMW M?
[29:50] >> That's what I I
[29:51] It's an actual M car, the WBS VIN.
[29:54] >> Are you sure?
[29:55] >> That's That's my understanding.
[29:56] >> I have a very hard time believing that
[29:58] they sell more actual M cars than C43s
[30:02] and GLA45s
[30:04] or 43s or 35s or whatever, all that base
[30:06] level stuff. I have a hard time
[30:07] believing that.
[30:08] >> According to the data I read, that's
[30:10] what it said. So I'm not saying it's
[30:11] like a an M235i. They might be saying
[30:14] like that that
[30:15] >> Marketing people going to market.
[30:17] >> Marketing people going to market. But
[30:18] nonetheless, Mercedes-Benz is going to
[30:20] >> 71,000 M cars, 142,000
[30:24] M Performance cars. So it's two to one,
[30:28] the M light BS cars, like the X3 M50.
[30:32] They consider the X3 M50 to be the
[30:34] top-selling M car.
[30:36] >> [laughter]
[30:37] >> That is tough. But you know, be Yeah,
[30:39] [clears throat] M propaganda, I guess.
[30:40] But Mercedes-Benz is going to be
[30:41] releasing a a lot of new cars. So they
[30:43] said they're going to be releasing their
[30:44] engines they're going to reduce their
[30:45] engine variants though from 10 different
[30:47] variants down to four, which is quite a
[30:49] reduction. But it kind of makes sense.
[30:51] >> one, you know.
[30:52] >> Right, exactly. You're right. 55 guys,
[30:54] it used to be one. I know what you're
[30:56] saying. Um but it is you know there are
[30:58] there are cars that we've been waiting
[30:59] for like a new new E63. We've been
[31:01] waiting for that for a while. But they
[31:03] said they're also there'll be a
[31:05] the cars that kind of like G63
[31:06] convertible, a new black series which
[31:09] we've kind of lightly touched on C53,
[31:11] GLC 53, so and so forth. And of course
[31:13] they're coming
[31:13] >> Yeah, I mean a lot of these are just
[31:15] variants of you know like they make four
[31:18] variants of the E-Class, right? The E53,
[31:20] the E63, the E53 wagon, E63 wagon.
[31:23] Nonetheless, AMG rocking it. They will
[31:26] be they will continue to be every time a
[31:27] new Mercedes-Benz model comes out
[31:28] there'll be an AMG version. I'm waiting
[31:30] for an AMG Sprinter, Nick. I imagine you
[31:32] agree.
[31:33] >> That would be sick.
[31:36] By turbo V8
[31:37] a 65 version of it. A V12 Sprinter.
[31:39] >> version of that which people do
[31:41] aftermarket, but yeah I I agree.
[31:43] >> You looking for a nice high roof?
[31:45] >> 4x4 squared Sprinter. I mean there's
[31:47] there's so many possibilities. They did
[31:49] announce a GLE 63 and GLS 63. Both are
[31:53] getting the flat plane crank V8 for
[31:55] 2027. So that's two down of the 27. They
[31:58] owe us 25 more.
[31:59] >> Right. Plus there could be more than
[32:01] that they said. So we'll we'll certainly
[32:02] see. But
[32:03] I don't know. I'm here for more AMG
[32:04] products. I like their cars as a former
[32:06] owner myself. I think they do make
[32:08] >> That's right.
[32:08] >> I do I I am you know with the M cars I
[32:12] still feel like it's a little bit more
[32:13] driver centered to considering BMW M
[32:15] still offers a manual transmission in
[32:17] some few variants, but they still offer
[32:19] one which is cool. And Mercedes-Benz has
[32:21] I not offered a manual in a car in a
[32:23] really long time. So
[32:24] different perspectives, but you know
[32:26] nonetheless like I'm happy to see more
[32:27] AMG stuff around, you know. I think it's
[32:29] cool.
[32:29] >> The death of enthusiast cars has been
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[34:44] >> Okay, that's the end of our news. Time
[34:46] for our talk cars segment where we talk
[34:49] about cars. What have we got to talk
[34:51] about? Kennan, why don't you start us
[34:52] off?
[34:52] >> Well, I'll take it away. So, there's
[34:53] lots of good news in my world all
[34:55] around. So, the first thing I want to
[34:56] say is I just want to thank everybody
[34:57] who reached out of the launch of my new
[34:59] thing. I've had over 80 submissions of
[35:02] cars to me.
[35:03] Some I'm saying yes to, some I'm saying
[35:04] some are great fit, some aren't quite
[35:06] the right fit, just depending on, you
[35:07] know, where people are and the value
[35:08] current things. But, it has been
[35:10] overwhelming the positivity that people
[35:12] have sent. People have emailed me and
[35:13] told me that it's a huge inspiration
[35:14] that I'm doing this and like I I am so
[35:17] humbled.
[35:18] I genuinely am. It was not I it was way
[35:20] better than I was expecting. And I'm I'm
[35:22] truly truly grateful. So, got a lot of
[35:24] cars that are coming. I've got a couple
[35:26] cars that are inbound soon. I'm wrapping
[35:28] some contracts up on stuff that's coming
[35:29] like really cool interesting stuff.
[35:31] There's a Lotus Emira that's going to go
[35:32] live relatively soon that the
[35:33] photographer has finished on. I've a
[35:35] Bentley that's driving
[35:36] >> Supras?
[35:37] >> You know, I already did that for you.
[35:38] You know, I handled that last week. You
[35:40] know, I think that proved I'm good at
[35:41] it. You know, good 30 seconds I got one.
[35:43] He got it delivered. Done, you know?
[35:45] That's that's
[35:46] >> Kennan,
[35:47] Kennan, I'm going to tell you Can I tell
[35:48] you something else I'm looking for that
[35:49] you can find for me?
[35:51] >> Sure.
[35:52] >> A really clean Evo 8 in a bright color.
[35:55] >> Ooh, that's interesting. Okay.
[35:58] >> I'll see what I can do. I mean, you
[35:59] know, you have two cars you haven't
[36:00] seen, but sure, I'll add a third to
[36:02] that. That's why not?
[36:03] >> Yeah. And I got to go get a Jeep any day
[36:05] now. I got to go get it when it rains.
[36:06] I'm going to go get a Jeep. So, that'll
[36:08] be three three new cars.
[36:09] >> You're just buying. You're just buying
[36:11] cars.
[36:11] >> No, that'll be a lease. That'll be a
[36:13] lease.
[36:13] >> Oh, that'll be a lease. Okay.
[36:14] >> [laughter]
[36:15] >> That's fair. It was at Rust to Riches on
[36:17] Nantucket anyway.
[36:18] >> Prestige Financial will buy that one.
[36:20] I'm glad to hear that. That's wonderful.
[36:22] It sounds great. It sounds like things
[36:24] are moving along. Kennan R, Kennan is
[36:26] going to be auction representing. Ken,
[36:28] you want to sell a car? Don't sell it
[36:30] normally. Sell it with Kennan. That
[36:31] should be your tagline.
[36:33] >> I don't think
[36:33] >> You want to sell a car? Don't sell it
[36:35] normally. Sell it with Kennan. Nick, you
[36:38] like that?
[36:39] >> You don't forget the the R. Kennan R.
[36:41] >> And Nick likes to keep pointing that out
[36:43] like I'm a pirate. But but thank you.
[36:45] Thank you for the Okay, I really
[36:46] appreciate it, but again, like I'm just
[36:48] genuinely humbled and and it's it's been
[36:51] really positive for me. I'm I'm very
[36:52] happy.
[36:52] >> the Kennan. People love the Kennan. Why
[36:54] can't
[36:54] >> I love the people and I love the
[36:55] enthusiasm and I definitely love the
[36:57] cars. But another big piece of of good
[36:59] news happened in my life this weekend.
[37:01] Lewis Hamilton won the Spanish Grand
[37:03] Prix. Finally, Lewis won not only a race
[37:07] in a a little while in his career. It's
[37:08] been quite a a dry spell, but a first
[37:11] actual race, not a sprint race, for
[37:13] Ferrari and the world rejoiced. I think
[37:15] everybody was happy about that.
[37:17] >> You know when when Lewis started
[37:19] When I don't know anything about Formula
[37:20] 1, don't watch it, had no idea this
[37:21] happened. But when when Lewis started
[37:23] last year, I told you that he was too
[37:26] old and would not be winning. And you
[37:27] were like, "We'll see."
[37:29] But I've been I've been right.
[37:31] >> Well, you know, he did win. So like
[37:33] there were there was like there
[37:35] >> [laughter]
[37:35] >> It only took him 18 months. How's he
[37:37] doing in the standings? Is he going to
[37:38] like win the whole thing or I imagine
[37:40] not.
[37:41] >> Well, he's he's he's doing quite well.
[37:43] He's second right now. Isn't that right,
[37:44] Ryan? Ryan's the other F1 fan here.
[37:46] >> How's he second if he's only won
[37:47] one race?
[37:48] >> Well, it's it's there've been a variety
[37:50] of winners. Kimi Räikkönen and Lewis
[37:51] from Mercedes-Benz have been really been
[37:52] crushing it.
[37:53] >> Nick and I, let me tell you something.
[37:55] >> So
[37:55] the so the the point system is
[37:57] >> Due to yeah, due to some controversy in
[37:58] the Middle East, we lost two races and
[38:00] had to take a sabbatical in the middle
[38:01] of the season, which was a little
[38:02] abnormal. So there haven't been as many
[38:04] races now as there would have otherwise
[38:06] been, which is part of why this is the
[38:07] case. But nonetheless,
[38:09] >> I watch Nick and I watched NASCAR in the
[38:11] moonshine days and back then you used it
[38:12] used to be obvious who won. You know
[38:15] what I mean? It used to be obvious who
[38:16] was leading in the points. It was the
[38:18] guy you transported the most moonshine.
[38:20] Am I right, neck?
[38:22] >> Yeah, sure.
[38:23] >> [laughter]
[38:24] >> Right, exactly.
[38:25] >> The the the other it just it's so you
[38:27] know, Ferrari has been known on the F1
[38:30] side to shoot themselves in the foot
[38:31] with bad strategy decisions. It's been
[38:33] like a whole thing.
[38:34] Uh they maybe got a little bit of a a
[38:37] help from a a good safety car that he
[38:40] could pit basically get a free pit stop
[38:42] and that that helped him win, but it
[38:44] made me think, okay, they've shifted
[38:45] their strategy blunders from Formula 1,
[38:48] they're now kind of doing what they
[38:49] should be and they moved that over to
[38:51] the whole Lucha program. So maybe I can
[38:54] forgive the Lucha if they want to take
[38:56] all their dumb ideas and funnel it into
[38:57] EVs, right? Ferrari was founded as a
[39:00] race team and the cars were just there
[39:01] to support the race team. So if they
[39:03] want to start winning F1 again, do
[39:05] whatever you want with EVs.
[39:06] >> you hit it on a point Jeremy Clarkson
[39:08] made this point many years ago. He said
[39:09] when the road cars are good, they suffer
[39:11] in Formula 1 and when the Formula 1 car
[39:13] is good, the road car suffers. So the
[39:15] road car is going to have a bit of a
[39:16] tough time with the Lucha and Lewis
[39:18] Hamilton is winning the race.
[39:19] >> brought to you by the SF90.
[39:21] >> [laughter]
[39:22] >> I'll tell you this, I'm proud of Lewis.
[39:24] I personally haven't
[39:26] accepted any Barcelona GP since they
[39:28] left Montjuic.
[39:31] The Spanish know what I'm talking about.
[39:33] Um but I'm happy for uh Lewis and I'm
[39:36] happy for Ferrari except for all the
[39:37] tumult in the road car division as you
[39:39] bring up. And uh I think that I speak
[39:42] for Cannon when I say that I would
[39:43] prefer racing success
[39:46] um to road car success.
[39:48] >> Yeah.
[39:49] >> Yeah, I like the old stuff, so it works
[39:51] out well for me.
[39:51] >> It aren't the the the cars were already
[39:53] built. Now we just want to win.
[39:54] >> That's right.
[39:56] >> It's ironic that they care to win
[39:57] anymore considering they're making this
[39:58] electric hatchback thing. Like,
[40:00] [laughter] does anybody get You know
[40:02] what I mean? Like it doesn't even matter
[40:03] to the people who are going to be buying
[40:04] that trash, right?
[40:06] >> [laughter]
[40:08] >> Focus on it. Agree more.
[40:09] >> That's true, but I mean think about it.
[40:11] The Lucha could have If Ferrari can pull
[40:13] it off and I I am I really want to see
[40:15] Lewis win his eighth championship become
[40:16] the most successful driver in history.
[40:18] >> Me too.
[40:18] >> I really I think actually a lot of
[40:20] people actually do kind of want to see
[40:21] it love him or hate him.
[40:22] >> about? What about Schumacher? You don't
[40:23] want Schumacher to be the most
[40:24] successful driver in history?
[40:25] >> tied. They're tied with seven world
[40:27] championships between them. And Lewis
[40:28] has been around longer and has racked up
[40:30] more accolades as as a result.
[40:32] Um but I mean he still is performing at
[40:34] a such a high level. [laughter]
[40:36] Um so
[40:37] I've I've you know I'm it just made me
[40:39] really happy. Not only see the Ferrari
[40:40] on on the top but also like I've never
[40:42] been a die-hard Lewis Hamilton fan. I'm
[40:43] happy he races in my my colors now but
[40:45] like you know I'm really happy for
[40:48] >> When is the last time Ferrari won an F1
[40:49] race?
[40:51] >> Uh Carlos Sainz 2 years ago, right?
[40:53] Isn't that right? I believe that was uh
[40:55] yeah it's cuz they won a minute.
[40:56] >> Oh man, I Google it and it says it
[40:58] yesterday at the Barcelona Grand Prix.
[41:00] >> that's right. Don't you forget it,
[41:01] buddy.
[41:02] >> the problem with AI. This [laughter] is
[41:04] the problem with AI.
[41:05] >> What it's up to date that's right.
[41:06] >> recognize that I I don't support the
[41:08] Barcelona Grand Prix since it left
[41:10] Montjuïc.
[41:11] >> Okay, uh we want to move on to the other
[41:13] top cars that was a big deal in Nick's
[41:15] world. Nick, tell us.
[41:16] >> Oh my god, the world stopped uh over the
[41:18] weekend. Everyone stopped what they were
[41:21] doing.
[41:21] >> Hamilton. It was bigger than that.
[41:23] >> Bigger than that.
[41:24] Uh although a problem Ferrari's had in
[41:26] the past. We had an Italian car burn to
[41:28] the ground on TV. So Stradman's OG
[41:32] Gallardo which started the channel, he
[41:34] famously like after he quit his job
[41:36] basically like lived out of this thing.
[41:38] Um it had gone through a number of
[41:40] iterations including a big turbo build
[41:42] that went pretty wrong. It then got a
[41:44] new motor after that went wrong. He was
[41:46] just driving it around.
[41:48] >> Who did the new motor that that
[41:50] lit up? I I believe it was done by
[41:53] Royalty Exotics in Vegas. And then the
[41:56] turbo build was done by that. But
[41:58] Stradman made it very clear he doesn't
[41:59] blame any of the people that had touched
[42:00] it. It had been leaking power steering
[42:02] fluid and there was a puddle in his
[42:04] garage. And he was driving it anyways.
[42:06] He went to I believe Raising Cane's to
[42:08] go get some takeout for him and his
[42:10] girlfriend.
[42:11] Um and when the car caught on fire, he
[42:13] didn't have a fire extinguisher, so he
[42:15] used the Coke Zero to try to put it out.
[42:17] >> And the Ferrari cover that was
[42:19] >> Yeah, and yeah, he tried to do the
[42:20] blanket like he tried his best, but the
[42:22] whole thing is on camera, which is just
[42:24] unreal. You hear of exotic cars burning
[42:25] down, maybe you see one, but to have it
[42:28] on video and then watch him vlog as
[42:30] these random good Samaritans come with
[42:32] fire extinguishers to put it out and
[42:33] then the cops come and then Sophia comes
[42:36] with a TRX and a flatbed. Like you watch
[42:38] the whole thing unfold.
[42:40] >> It is just the wildest 13-minute vlog
[42:42] I've ever seen.
[42:44] >> I watched the video. I rarely watch
[42:45] videos.
[42:46] >> [laughter]
[42:47] >> I watched the video and I was thinking
[42:50] to myself
[42:52] I am glad that I'm not a vlogger.
[42:54] Because [laughter] he's sitting there,
[42:55] the car is burning down and he's like
[42:57] filming not I don't I don't begrudge him
[42:59] this. I I just I'm I'm feel bad for him.
[43:02] He's sitting there like having to film
[43:03] this whole thing cuz he knows he's going
[43:05] to need the footage. And I'm like this
[43:06] is not a moment that I would want to be
[43:08] sitting there trying to like grab my
[43:09] phone. Like I would I would want to be
[43:11] dealing with it in other ways, not on
[43:13] camera, not showing the world how I'm
[43:16] think cuz this car's been like integral
[43:17] to his entire career and his car it's
[43:19] whole story arc and all that. Um
[43:21] definitely not what I would want to be
[43:24] like thinking about while my car is
[43:26] burning down.
[43:27] >> Yeah, maybe you've had a couple of cars
[43:28] catch fire. Like could you imagine you
[43:31] know, getting the camera and and doing
[43:33] that whole situation?
[43:34] >> it's funny having had my fair share of
[43:36] car troubles, my thought was I would
[43:38] have let that thing burn to the ground.
[43:39] Like at some point you don't even want
[43:41] to try to save it and just say like it's
[43:43] definitely his most sentimental like
[43:44] it's definitely not his
[43:47] fastest car or best car or anything like
[43:49] that. I'm pretty sure it's his most
[43:50] sentimental, most like connected to car.
[43:53] It'd be like the E39 burning down.
[43:54] >> Yeah, Ken, Ken, tell us tell us take us
[43:56] through the E39 M5 starts catching on
[43:58] fire. You make YouTube videos. Do you
[44:01] get out your camera and start filming it
[44:02] right there on the roadside?
[44:04] >> No, I hope that it maintains fine if the
[44:05] dash cam catches it, but other than
[44:06] that, no. I like I would just focus on
[44:08] trying to save the car. I do keep a fire
[44:10] extinguisher in my car, which I like
[44:12] this underscores especially with older
[44:13] cars, even ones that are, you know,
[44:14] relatively reliable. A, if there's a
[44:17] problem with it, don't drive it. Just
[44:18] fix it, especially if it's a flammable
[44:20] liquid that's ending up on the ground.
[44:22] Maybe get that fixed before you take it
[44:24] out to go get Raising Cane's. But the
[44:25] other thing is that having a fire
[44:27] extinguisher in your car at all times,
[44:28] especially if it's older and you when
[44:30] you really love it,
[44:32] you know, if if you can catch the fire
[44:34] while it's small, then it's worth
[44:35] repairing. But when it gets to this
[44:36] level like that it's coming out the
[44:38] intakes and the wheel well, it's like
[44:40] you've, you know, I it's a big big scary
[44:43] thing.
[44:43] >> a car mounted on the wall. It's it's
[44:45] currently a old Formula 1 or Indy car, I
[44:47] can't remember which, but all the
[44:49] comments are like, "Oh, this is your new
[44:50] wall car." And that would be a cool like
[44:52] turn into an art piece or something
[44:53] because
[44:54] >> you better fix it.
[44:55] >> already gone through a lot of trouble.
[44:57] Like I don't I don't resurrecting it at
[44:59] this point is it's maybe it's maybe too
[45:02] far gone.
[45:02] >> you can you can you can do it and it's
[45:03] going to make for a a good
[45:05] >> series, whatever happens. And and maybe
[45:07] he sends it down to our buddy Rich
[45:08] Rebuilds, who Rich Rebuilds it. That'd
[45:10] be sick.
[45:12] He doesn't rebuild poor, am I right?
[45:14] >> That's right.
[45:14] >> Tavarish was in the comments as well. So
[45:16] yeah, there there there are some people
[45:17] raising their hands. I disagree with you
[45:19] on the whole vlogging thing. So I as
[45:22] someone a fellow enthusiast of takeovers
[45:25] like you and Jason Cammisa, um the the
[45:28] the problem is that the footage from
[45:30] those events are never that good, right?
[45:32] Like either people aren't filming or the
[45:33] ones that are filming like don't even
[45:35] know its orientation for the phone and
[45:36] are just like yelling into it. We got
[45:39] like production the production quality
[45:41] of watching the Garrett burn to the
[45:42] ground is extremely rare to like see it,
[45:46] feel it, like experience it with him.
[45:48] Like I truly There was one part where he
[45:49] kind of like started to choke up and
[45:51] like was just like so overwhelmed. Like
[45:53] I just I felt the same roller coaster of
[45:55] emotions he did.
[45:56] >> it was great it was interesting to watch
[45:58] it as a watcher. I just feel for him. I
[46:00] feel like I'm sad that your life
[46:01] involves
[46:03] you have to
[46:04] your first thought when your beloved car
[46:06] is burning down is I I'm not going to
[46:10] you know, instead of running around to
[46:12] the next door to all the businesses
[46:14] trying to find a fire extinguisher or
[46:15] screaming in the street or calling the
[46:16] fire
[46:17] my first thought is let's get out the
[46:19] camera because my audience has to see
[46:20] this, you know, like I I it's it's it's
[46:24] it would just be hard. I think that life
[46:25] lifestyle would be kind of challenging.
[46:27] >> I I feel that, but I just mostly I just
[46:29] feel for him and I feel bad. I remember
[46:31] vividly when he bought this car. It
[46:32] wasn't that long after I bought my M5.
[46:34] And you know, it's just like I
[46:36] understand the sentimentality around it
[46:38] and it's it's just sad to see a car, you
[46:39] know, go down like that.
[46:41] >> You know, when Thomas Edison's
[46:42] laboratory caught on fire
[46:44] he was quoted as saying, "Go get your
[46:45] mother and all her friends. They'll
[46:46] never see a fire like this again." Like
[46:48] [laughter] this Stratman did us all a
[46:50] Thomas Edison here and basically said,
[46:53] "I'm going to gift the world watching a
[46:55] Guard to burn to the ground. That is now
[46:56] off my bucket list and thankfully it's
[46:58] not my Guard also. Thank you, Stratman."
[47:00] >> Hop into the comments on this video and
[47:01] write that as a comment. Go get your
[47:03] mother and all her friends. You'll never
[47:05] see a fire like this again.
[47:07] >> [laughter]
[47:07] >> Yep. Yep. Yep. That's that that quote
[47:09] works a lot of different levels, I
[47:11] think.
[47:11] >> Thomas Edison quote. Not what I was ex-
[47:13] not what I was really
[47:14] >> [laughter]
[47:14] >> not what I was expecting to
[47:15] >> You want to talk TTRS? I see there's
[47:17] some TTRS activity. For for those of you
[47:19] long-time viewer not who haven't been a
[47:20] long-time viewer, long-time viewers know
[47:21] about it. Now, Nick is
[47:24] uh
[47:25] well-known in the Audi community because
[47:26] he money shifted to TTRS and blew the
[47:28] motor years ago. And now it looks like
[47:31] he's thinking about getting a new one.
[47:33] Nick, tell us tell us about that.
[47:34] >> A buddy of mine called me over the
[47:36] weekend at the dealership floor. He's
[47:38] like champing at the bit. Like, "Should
[47:40] I buy this?" And I I told him to slow
[47:42] his brakes. Like the the price they're
[47:45] asking for wasn't that good. And I got
[47:46] there's one on Cars and Bids.
[47:48] Um and so I went to go look at it for
[47:51] him because it happens to be local in
[47:52] Encinitas, California. Owned by a
[47:55] professional snowboarder. A dude who I
[47:57] like was super stoked to meet. So, I'm
[47:59] like, I will go look at it for you. It
[48:01] is the next generation, so automatic
[48:03] only, which means I cannot money shift
[48:05] it.
[48:05] >> It'd be great. Like I I think that that
[48:08] that's in Okay, continue.
[48:09] >> Yes, it's full circle. It's modded, much
[48:11] like mine was. It has HREs, the MSS
[48:14] lowering springs. But, I told my buddy,
[48:16] cuz he doesn't want the mods, I will
[48:18] own it for you for a bit. I will reverse
[48:20] mod it for you. I then I will ship it to
[48:22] you in Chicago, however you like. So,
[48:25] I'm trying to finagle a deal in which my
[48:27] buddy pays for the TTRS, and I get to
[48:29] drive it and enjoy it for like a summer
[48:31] as an automatic, and I can non-money
[48:33] shift a DSG TTRS that is tuned and
[48:37] modded.
[48:37] >> Doug, you wouldn't take this one?
[48:38] >> going to say is
[48:39] >> Genius. I know. Go get your mother and
[48:42] all her friends.
[48:43] >> of how Nick is Kramer. I'm going to All
[48:44] I'm going to say is
[48:46] um
[48:47] I think that it would be If you're going
[48:49] to get back into the TTRS community, I
[48:51] think it would be good to do it with an
[48:52] automatic, much like your SLR. I think
[48:55] that
[48:56] um
[48:57] that's the best way forward for you with
[48:59] sports cars. Let me just I'm just going
[49:01] to That's diplomatic. I'm just going to
[49:02] say that. That's the best way forward
[49:04] with you for performance cars,
[49:06] automatics.
[49:07] >> Yeah, well, that's what you say. Um as a
[49:10] person who's manually converted two
[49:11] cars, I don't necessarily think that is
[49:14] correct, but sure. There I I I accept
[49:17] the old transmission.
[49:19] >> you you manually converted two cars, and
[49:21] you engine converted your TTRS after
[49:23] money shifting.
[49:24] >> So, you've actually
[49:25] >> You've done a lot of great work.
[49:26] >> same engine. We just enhanced it. We we
[49:28] put in some sleeves and
[49:30] ARP [snorts] hardware and so on.
[49:32] >> And and and and a lockout or two.
[49:34] >> It it
[49:35] >> [laughter]
[49:35] >> Truly never happened. It truly never
[49:38] happened. You can continue to insist
[49:40] that I money shifted it. I am a
[49:42] professional driver on a closed course,
[49:43] so
[49:44] >> [laughter]
[49:45] >> disagree.
[49:46] >> It never happened, but but by God, I'm
[49:48] trying to get the automatic version now.
[49:50] >> I just would be so excited to have
[49:52] another TTRS. It sounds so cool. And
[49:54] it's fun when you can I know you all did
[49:56] that like big event at Velocity or what
[49:58] have you, but like it it's cool when the
[50:00] sellers are like, "Yeah, come check it
[50:02] out." And then we just like chatted at
[50:04] the parking lot at Panikin Coffee for
[50:06] like an hour about Audis and RS6s and
[50:09] TTRSs and R8s. And we knew a lot of the
[50:11] same people. So, it was like a a fun way
[50:13] for me to meet one of my heroes cuz I
[50:15] grew up obsessed with snowboarding. But
[50:17] like under the premise of like car
[50:19] stuff. So, I I had just like a fantastic
[50:21] time.
[50:21] >> to pursue this car? Is this actually
[50:23] going to happen where you where you have
[50:24] the car and you have
[50:24] >> ends tomorrow before this goes So, on
[50:27] Thursday before this goes live. So, if
[50:29] my my friend Ted uh wins it, then then
[50:32] we'll have to post and say that. I'm
[50:34] going to let him bid under his username
[50:35] cuz I'm too affiliated with Cars and
[50:37] Bids and all that.
[50:38] Um but I I I adore this car and I'm
[50:41] really hoping come Friday I {slash} we
[50:44] have a TTRS in our garage.
[50:46] >> Fingers crossed.
[50:47] >> we, baby.
[50:47] >> I {slash} we.
[50:48] >> Uh yeah, I think it's I think it's the
[50:49] right I think it's I think it's the
[50:50] right TTRS for you, obviously, also.
[50:53] Um
[50:53] >> [laughter]
[50:54] >> You You mean that as an insult, but I I
[50:56] agree this is the right TTRS for me. I'm
[50:58] excited for it.
[51:00] >> Time to move on to the market report,
[51:01] which of course is brought to you by
[51:02] Cars and Bids, the reason that we're all
[51:04] here. Cars and Bids. Um
[51:07] I want to talk about under $10,000 cars.
[51:09] We had a few great sub-10K cars close.
[51:12] Nick, you watching these sub-10Ks
[51:14] anymore? Are you Are you Are you bigger
[51:15] and better than that?
[51:16] >> Oh, no. I'm I'm all over it.
[51:18] >> [laughter]
[51:19] >> Nick, Kennan, type in Focus ST. Let's
[51:21] start there.
[51:22] >> Oh, yeah.
[51:22] >> We had a Focus ST yesterday, today, I
[51:25] don't know when, sell for 4,700 United
[51:28] States dollars.
[51:31] >> That is crazy.
[51:31] >> 4,700 United States dollars. Now, this
[51:35] car had problems. It's got a bad Carfax.
[51:37] It's got old tires. It's got a little
[51:39] rust, etc. But this is a damn cool car
[51:41] that sold for 4,700
[51:44] United States dollars, okay? That's
[51:45] That's a real thing that happened. And
[51:47] by the way, this is a low result. The
[51:49] car had issues, but there are other
[51:51] Focus STs that are pretty regularly
[51:52] selling for between 6 and 10 grand. Like
[51:55] if they're modded, if they're rough,
[51:57] etc. etc. Okay, so
[51:58] >> I mean even at slightly higher That is
[51:59] such a cool car. Like that's a great
[52:01] daily.
[52:02] >> As we intend to sell our 2014 Ford Focus
[52:04] non ST, and I'm hoping to get more money
[52:07] than that. So [laughter] I
[52:09] I think I'm going to have to have a chat
[52:10] with my wife on what the realistic
[52:11] values are.
[52:13] >> Okay, so then pull up Then pull up Audi
[52:15] S6 Kennan.
[52:17] >> [snorts]
[52:17] >> Oh, yes.
[52:19] >> Now, we just sold Nick, we just sold an
[52:21] S6
[52:22] >> Oh my god, the V10?
[52:24] >> V10 S6 for 7,400
[52:27] United States dollars.
[52:29] >> go wrong there?
[52:30] >> 7,400 bucks. 435 horsepower V10. Again,
[52:34] it had a bad Carfax. It says that the
[52:36] the right high beam is inop, the TPMS is
[52:38] in is is is faulty. Again, the tires are
[52:41] old, but 7,400 dollars. Now, what I
[52:44] would as a kid, by the way, cars at this
[52:46] price point had flaws, okay? So that's
[52:48] still the case. People are going to look
[52:50] People are going to comment and BE LIKE,
[52:51] "YEAH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP TO
[52:53] LISTEN, it's sub 10K, okay? You're
[52:56] You're not getting a perfect car, all
[52:57] right? But this is a V10 S6. Now, type
[53:00] in Protege, the other big sub 10K sale.
[53:03] This Protege, this Mazda Speed Protege
[53:06] just sold for 4,600 dollars. Now,
[53:09] >> Dang.
[53:09] >> a Mazda Speed Protege doesn't get a lot
[53:11] of love or excitement. However, this was
[53:13] the predecessor to the Mazda Speed 3,
[53:15] which is a car that a lot of enthusiasts
[53:16] love. It had a turbo engine. There were
[53:18] There were two special variants of this
[53:20] Protege. One was called the MP3, which
[53:23] didn't have more power, but this one
[53:24] did. It was a turbo four-cylinder,
[53:26] front-wheel drive, but it's a turbo
[53:27] four, just like the Focus ST. And it
[53:29] just had a massive service. It had a
[53:31] 7,000 dollar recent service. New head
[53:33] gaskets, new camshafts, seals, crank
[53:35] seals, water pump, timing belt, all this
[53:37] stuff. Spark plugs. It was a big
[53:38] service. So this car is ready to roll.
[53:40] And it was a cool car. I know it's old
[53:42] and it's got miles and all that, but
[53:43] it's 4,600 bucks. And I'm reminded
[53:46] because every time we post some crazy
[53:48] result of some car with two miles, we
[53:51] get all these Instagram commenters being
[53:53] like, "The market is ruined."
[53:57] And it's like, "Yeah, this STI with two
[53:59] miles just sold for 150 grand." But
[54:01] there are still legitimate enthusiast
[54:04] cars sub 10. They have been hit. They
[54:06] have problems. They are not as fast as
[54:08] modern cars. Yes, all of that is true.
[54:10] There are cars out there though that you
[54:12] can have fun with sub 10K and they are
[54:15] on Cars and Bids. Boom.
[54:17] >> I had two more cars sub 10K on my watch
[54:19] list that ended this past week.
[54:21] >> Yeah.
[54:22] >> A 2002 Lincoln Blackwood.
[54:24] >> Yes.
[54:25] >> Reasonable miles, well-presented, 6,600
[54:27] bucks. Finding a pickup truck, a decent
[54:29] pickup truck for 6,600 bucks is hard
[54:32] enough on its own, yet alone like a
[54:34] full-size with a 5.4 L V8. Like, I'm
[54:37] into that. Like, at this point you could
[54:38] use this for your landscaping business
[54:40] or what have you, and like just be
[54:42] balling.
[54:43] >> a landscaper showing up with a
[54:45] Lincoln Blackwood?
[54:46] >> You'd absolutely love it.
[54:47] >> For six grand, you're basically just
[54:49] buying a super crew F-150. These were
[54:51] all two-wheel drive, but yes, I totally
[54:52] agree with your point. Absolutely.
[54:54] >> And then there was a a Range Rover
[54:56] actually uh that sold for $3,200. I
[54:59] mean, top-of-the-line British luxury
[55:02] vehicle.
[55:03] >> Okay, well, that's that's not a special.
[55:04] Range Rovers are always selling for
[55:06] $3,200 [laughter] and that doesn't
[55:08] surprise me. This This
[55:09] >> Uh one day you will see P38s are going
[55:12] to be the cream of the crop, the most
[55:13] expensive.
[55:14] >> buyer probably overpaid. Um however, the
[55:17] other cars, the other sub 10K cars are
[55:20] just a reminder. And then [snorts]
[55:21] people, whenever I talk about cheap
[55:23] deals in the market, people are like,
[55:24] "Yeah, but an S6 is going to blow up two
[55:26] seconds later." Listen, we're sub 10K.
[55:30] The cars are not going to be great cars.
[55:32] They're going to be cars that are fun
[55:34] and you you buy cheap and either you put
[55:36] money in and make them nice or you roll
[55:37] the dice. But nonetheless, there are in
[55:40] good enthusiast cars to be had at
[55:42] affordable price points on this site and
[55:44] elsewhere. And every time anything sells
[55:46] for crazy money, some super low mileage
[55:48] car, I just want people to remember that
[55:50] these cars are legitimately out there
[55:53] and legitimately cool. Period.
[55:55] >> And that argument that it could blow up
[55:57] applies to anything, right? You could be
[55:58] Stradman's Gallardo. There's a stop sale
[56:01] on Jeeps right Wranglers right now
[56:03] saying park them outside and don't drive
[56:05] them cuz they might burn to the ground.
[56:06] Like this applies to any car. There's an
[56:08] inherent risk when you buy a vehicle,
[56:10] especially an internal combustion engine
[56:12] vehicle, which literally has explosions
[56:13] every time you turn it on. That it might
[56:16] blow up.
[56:17] >> Such is life.
[56:17] >> Yeah, I mean I I I agree with that
[56:20] generally. I mean that's certainly what
[56:21] a used car salesman and an an auction
[56:23] website would say. Hey, anything could
[56:25] happen to anybody at any time. Those
[56:27] cars are obviously higher risk, but
[56:29] >> Who hasn't blown a motor or trans once
[56:31] in their life, you know?
[56:33] >> You're right. Who hasn't money shifted?
[56:34] I That
[56:35] That was always true though. Even when I
[56:37] was a kid, a $10,000 used car was always
[56:40] a bit of a gamble. Like they were not
[56:41] the cream of the crop. They were not
[56:42] nice stuff even back 20 years ago.
[56:45] Nonetheless, they are there. And if you
[56:47] have Oh, the car enthusiast market has
[56:50] passed me by. I can't afford anything.
[56:51] There's stuff there. There is still
[56:53] stuff. You may not be able to afford
[56:55] what you want, but there is still cool
[56:57] stuff at a at a reasonable price point.
[56:59] >> The Not only did the S6 have the V10 in
[57:02] that area, the S8 did as well. And those
[57:04] are also sub 10K gettable, which I mean
[57:07] just I mean so luxurious.
[57:09] >> Actually, I mean I think this car is a
[57:11] Tesla. This is 115,000. I mean like
[57:12] they're they're relatively I've been
[57:14] told they're relatively reliable. The
[57:15] engines are like solid. It's a lot of
[57:17] the other stuff that is a little bit
[57:18] more questionable surrounds it, but like
[57:20] the engine's pretty good. But
[57:21] >> I wouldn't want to take the gamble if my
[57:23] was spending my last $7,400
[57:26] on the car, right?
[57:27] >> I agree. But it But like, you know, it
[57:29] if you've got like
[57:31] there are exceptions you can make
[57:32] especially if you're an enthusiast who
[57:33] wants to work on the car and like learn
[57:34] all this stuff yourself. There are ways
[57:35] around There are ways to do it. I think
[57:37] it's cool that there are still cars out
[57:38] there like this and, you know, I'm I'm
[57:40] into it.
[57:40] >> Speaking Speaking of that vehicle,
[57:41] remember Mitchell Korman, he drove the
[57:43] Audi R8 to the Arctic Circle uh on
[57:45] YouTube and it went super viral. He just
[57:47] did that in a S8 V10. He drove it to
[57:50] Labrador, which is the most eastern
[57:52] point of North America, I believe. But
[57:55] like again, like I think he bought this
[57:57] car I think he said like well under sub
[57:58] 10. He had to do some work himself on it
[58:01] and it had some issues along the way,
[58:02] but again, just like how cool is that? I
[58:06] love it.
[58:06] >> Yeah, it's a lot cooler than a lot of
[58:07] other BS you're buying at that price
[58:09] point. Anyway, I'm I'm happy that those
[58:10] cars are still transacting there and and
[58:12] reminded every time anybody accuses us
[58:15] of oh you're running up the value on the
[58:16] STI's by selling super low mile. There's
[58:19] still good stuff out there. There's
[58:20] still stuff that sells affordably. It
[58:22] exists. It exists. You just I think I
[58:25] think people want to both be picky and
[58:27] be cheap. And that's just that's never
[58:30] >> Amen,
[58:30] >> brother.
[58:32] >> Right. But that's never been possible.
[58:34] >> Me and Felipe oh that that's our design
[58:36] brief.
[58:37] We came out of womb and our mother said
[58:39] let them be picky and cheap.
[58:41] >> [laughter]
[58:42] >> Oh lord. Uh the other thing is
[58:44] interesting I thought last week was the
[58:46] NSX. You see this, Kenan?
[58:48] >> Yeah, I did see that.
[58:51] This one.
[58:51] >> Nick, you into this?
[58:53] >> For 113 grand, that's what this white
[58:55] NSX sold for. 22,000 miles on it like uh
[58:58] That's a lot of performance for 113,000
[59:01] dollars. That's a really cool car.
[59:03] >> Yeah, and it's got HR E so Nick would
[59:05] like it. Nick, you like this thing? 113.
[59:07] >> I mean I
[59:08] as the only non-Porsche person on this
[59:10] podcast, I would take this over a new
[59:12] 911 any day.
[59:14] >> The only non-Porsche person, Nick, I got
[59:15] a Supra that you don't even accept
[59:18] because it's not European enough for
[59:20] you. You know, it's interesting there's
[59:21] levels of this, right? There's the
[59:23] Porsche people, then there's the Euro
[59:24] snobs. You get You all are those. That's
[59:27] it. That's what you are. And then
[59:29] there's Doug floating free with his
[59:30] elephant.
[59:32] Land of the plenty with many cars
[59:34] everywhere including a
[59:36] Jeep Wrangler.
[59:37] >> Yeah, when I think Doug DeMuro, I think
[59:38] man of the people
[59:40] and and [laughter] budget cars.
[59:42] >> That's not what I said. I said land of
[59:45] the plenty.
[59:46] >> Man pontificates from Nantucket about
[59:48] his Carrera GT making him not a Porsche
[59:50] man.
[59:51] >> No, that's but you're missing my point,
[59:52] Nick. You
[59:53] you're doing it willfully because you
[59:55] are such a deep Euro car snob.
[59:57] >> I am more likely to be seen in an Acura
[59:59] than you are, okay? I agree 113 the
[60:03] opportunity cost of that 113, the other
[60:05] cars you could buy at that price point,
[60:07] I don't think it look as compelling as
[60:09] that. They probably won't be as
[60:10] reliable. Like that is to me an exotic
[60:13] car for 113. Even the Gallardo's now you
[60:16] can barely get for 113 and that's going
[60:18] to be a terrible ownership experience
[60:20] compared to this if you're just looking
[60:21] at driving cars.
[60:22] >> seem to be bargains. I'm going to let
[60:23] you in on a little secret. We actually
[60:25] missed this in the top car segment. I
[60:26] have a little secret about Nick. Nick is
[60:29] looking for a new daily driver for his
[60:30] family.
[60:31] >> I am.
[60:32] >> Uh he's looking for a three-row sport
[60:34] utility vehicle.
[60:35] And uh I'm going to read a direct quote
[60:37] that Nick uh said to us.
[60:39] >> [laughter]
[60:40] >> No, I didn't. I I get in trouble every
[60:42] time that this podcast comes up. Please
[60:45] be careful.
[60:46] >> Man of the people Nick.
[60:48] >> Oh, no.
[60:49] >> He said uh his wife wants a three-row
[60:51] small three-row. We briefly discussed
[60:53] the Hyundai Santa Fe which is a
[60:54] three-row. And my wife said, "I can't go
[60:56] from a Porsche to a Kia."
[60:58] >> [laughter]
[60:59] >> Now, I got a couple problems with that.
[61:00] First off, this is it's a Hyundai. I
[61:02] don't even know where this came from.
[61:04] Second [laughter]
[61:05] >> They're kind of similar.
[61:06] >> his wife is the same level of elitists
[61:09] that Nick is. But then Nick also
[61:11] ended this very text by saying, "Which I
[61:14] respect." She can't go from a a Porsche
[61:16] to a Kia which I respect. [laughter]
[61:19] Anyway, all the choices that Nick sent
[61:20] to us were Euro, of course.
[61:23] Um, and I'm sitting there telling him,
[61:24] "Get a Sequoia. Get a Sequoia, really
[61:26] man of the people car." And he he
[61:29] We're not there. Sequoia's too big.
[61:32] It's I I I want the 4Runner. They do not
[61:34] make the 4Runner with a third row and
[61:36] the hybrid. They do make the 4Runner
[61:38] with a third row hybrid. It's called the
[61:39] Sequoia, baby. You want it all? I got
[61:42] it.
[61:42] >> Sequoia's too big and obnoxious, much
[61:44] like you.
[61:46] No offense. [laughter]
[61:48] >> You know, there are comments sometimes.
[61:50] People see us talking in their comments
[61:52] like, "Do you guys hate each other?" And
[61:54] I wonder [laughter] if
[61:54] >> Why do they think that?
[61:56] >> I wonder to myself like, do people not I
[61:59] do think there is I'm going to get on a
[62:00] little generational horse here. Do
[62:02] people not like
[62:04] chat? Like they're like it's very clear
[62:06] to me that it's none of us Not only do
[62:08] none of us mean the things that we say
[62:10] to each other, but none of us even
[62:11] remember once the podcast is over what
[62:13] we have said to one another.
[62:15] >> That's true. It's 100% true. It Funny
[62:17] enough, I have to watch on Friday to
[62:19] figure out who I need to apologize to
[62:21] later [laughter] in the day.
[62:23] The worst part is so I called Shawn
[62:24] accidentally. I was describing how the
[62:26] air suspension of my E55 didn't work
[62:28] well, and what I was trying to describe
[62:30] is we had six dudes in there, I I
[62:33] including Shawn in the trunk. And I
[62:35] accidentally said you're a He was a
[62:36] larger gentleman, which I I did I just
[62:38] meant compared to the children that
[62:39] would be in the back. So I was like,
[62:41] "Shawn, I'm so sorry. I I listened to
[62:42] the pod. I said that. I didn't mean it
[62:44] in the way that it came out." He didn't
[62:46] reply.
[62:47] And then I text [laughter] him again
[62:48] Saturday. I said, "I'm so sorry. Can we
[62:49] talk?" He he's out to lunch with Cannon
[62:52] and one other friend, and I wasn't
[62:54] invited. It was like a mile from my
[62:56] house. I'm like, "Oh my god, he's
[62:57] actually mad at me." I text [laughter]
[62:58] him again, "I'm so sorry." No reply. It
[63:01] was not till Wednesday that he text me
[63:03] saying, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I
[63:05] didn't see this. I meant to reply and
[63:07] didn't."
[63:07] >> Also, to be clear, we left Cars and
[63:09] Coffee, just went right there. It wasn't
[63:10] like an intentional I love that in your
[63:12] mind
[63:12] >> I spent a week thinking that Shawn was
[63:15] literally giving me the silent treatment
[63:17] cuz of like a comment that I made
[63:18] without thinking.
[63:19] >> Maybe Maybe there is.
[63:22] Sean, I'm sorry still.
[63:23] >> On the on the back on the subject of the
[63:24] Mark Report. And by the way, Nick, I
[63:25] wish you the best finding a Euro SUV for
[63:28] your family.
[63:29] >> You know, the Lincoln Aviator has a
[63:30] plug-in electric three-row, so we might
[63:34] consider American still.
[63:35] And I honestly think the Jeep Grand
[63:37] Cherokee would be our top candidate if
[63:39] it weren't for some reliability
[63:40] concerns, but I know you're going Jeep,
[63:42] so maybe
[63:43] >> In other words, he doesn't want to buy
[63:44] American. That's just something to think
[63:46] about.
[63:47] Uh go to the Kennan, go to the 340R.
[63:49] What did this What were What were you
[63:51] thinking it would sell for?
[63:53] >> I have no idea because it's not like
[63:54] they transact very often, and you talk
[63:56] about a niche. You really the 340R is so
[63:59] cool, but you have to [snorts] really
[64:02] want that driving experience. It don't
[64:03] have doors. You have to climb and stand
[64:04] on the seat and get in. It's a whole
[64:06] thing.
[64:06] >> pretty easy. It sold for what? 75?
[64:09] >> for 75 grand, which I think for $75,000,
[64:12] that is a really special unique driving
[64:14] experience, and I actually think I think
[64:16] it's a value, to be honest, but they
[64:17] just don't transact much cuz there
[64:18] haven't been many that been imported.
[64:19] There are only 340 of them. And so like
[64:22] this I think it's a good benchmark to
[64:23] start at. And I think, you know, again,
[64:26] this is a car you have as the fourth
[64:27] car. This is not a secondary sports car.
[64:30] You have to have some other stuff I
[64:31] think, you know, with like a roof.
[64:33] >> I will say though driving it was the
[64:35] experience was easier than I expected.
[64:38] Like it was actually a pretty easy car
[64:39] to drive. Once you get past all of the
[64:41] impracticality, like in terms of
[64:43] steering and and visibility, like it was
[64:45] a pretty unlike my Countach, which is
[64:47] like a hard car to get in and I you
[64:49] know, all that stuff. Like this was
[64:50] actually a pretty a pretty drivable car.
[64:52] I was kind of surprised by that. Um do
[64:55] you know that when I put up my video, a
[64:57] guy responded in the comments and said,
[64:59] I have one of the only four 340Rs that
[65:02] were sold new in North America. Lotus
[65:04] got some small volume exception and sold
[65:07] three of these things new in the United
[65:09] States. You believe that?
[65:10] >> No, I had no idea.
[65:11] >> no idea.
[65:13] >> Really? That is fascinating. Uh I mean,
[65:15] you talk about a car that could easily
[65:17] qualify for show or display based on its
[65:19] rarity and how special it looks.
[65:22] >> Maybe. I mean, I don't know.
[65:24] >> I figured, but I think it is cool as
[65:26] hell. And like, this is another one of
[65:27] the cars like I've just so excited to
[65:29] have on the site cuz 348 has been a
[65:31] legend forever. Um so, I don't know. I
[65:33] think it is a good result.
[65:35] >> Nick, you got 75 grand. Would you buy
[65:37] this or uh a TTRS
[65:40] with a
[65:41] manual or automatic transmission?
[65:43] >> I'm I'm hoping we we get a little better
[65:44] deal on the TTRS, but
[65:46] um you can still buy an Ariel Atom 4 and
[65:49] the MSRP is 83,750. So, in theory, like
[65:54] like this is going to be probably hold
[65:56] its value better, is a little bit more
[65:57] special, unique. I'm sure a new Ariel is
[66:00] is probably better than this, but
[66:02] >> It probably is, although I I I agree
[66:04] with that. It's an interesting point. Uh
[66:06] however, I would make the argument that
[66:08] once the once you are roofless,
[66:10] windowless doorless
[66:12] the experience
[66:13] >> [laughter]
[66:14] >> I'm not saying that this and a Polaris
[66:16] Slingshot are the same, but I am saying
[66:18] like
[66:20] the majority of what your experience is
[66:22] is related to the fact that you're open,
[66:25] rather than like the feel of the car, I
[66:28] think.
[66:28] >> Plus like things like panel gaps and
[66:29] like build quality kind of go out the
[66:31] door when you
[66:31] >> Even acceleration. Like you're joking,
[66:33] but like even acceleration. Like is it
[66:35] faster than an Ariel Atom? No.
[66:37] Once you're doing fast and you have no
[66:40] anything,
[66:41] >> Sure.
[66:42] >> it doesn't really matter. I drove an
[66:43] SP1, which is the same also with
[66:46] completely open car. I drove an Elva,
[66:47] and it's the same kind of thing, if I'm
[66:50] honest. And an Elva's like 3 mil.
[66:52] Same basic idea, to be frank.
[66:54] >> Yep.
[66:55] >> wind
[66:55] >> At that At that point, it's just about
[66:57] like rarity and how it looks when you
[66:58] park it. Because your your feel is
[67:01] roughly the same.
[67:03] >> [clears throat]
[67:03] >> I Having seen that car in in Cars and
[67:05] Bids dungeon for the last couple months.
[67:08] It It is something to look at, too. Like
[67:09] it just Yeah. It is so cool and the blue
[67:12] Alcantara on the inside really pops.
[67:14] Yeah. Um I I I think even if you didn't
[67:16] drive it a ton.
[67:17] >> that they made even less
[67:19] car You know, that's already in- insane.
[67:21] But I'm thrilled that we had it,
[67:23] thrilled that I got to drive it. It's a
[67:24] very cool car and I'm really glad I got
[67:25] to do a Quirks and Features video with
[67:27] it because it's really quirky and weird.
[67:28] The fact that that panel is like
[67:29] translucent, I mean the whole thing is
[67:31] just bizarre.
[67:31] >> It's so cool. I've just been told the
[67:32] car's going to the Bay Area. So, if you
[67:34] live in San Francisco, keep an eye open
[67:36] for a 348.
[67:37] >> Lopez? That is the Pacific Northwest.
[67:40] >> [laughter]
[67:40] >> Um
[67:41] They're They're both places he doesn't
[67:43] need air conditioning. All right. We got
[67:44] to move on to the questions. The
[67:46] questions are great this week. I only
[67:47] got through a few of them cuz they were
[67:48] so good. I just kind of put them in and
[67:50] they're great. And a lot of them, Nick,
[67:51] are really aimed at you. They're real
[67:54] deep Nick questions. By the way, is
[67:56] Filippo done? Does he not work for us
[67:57] anymore? Is he
[67:58] >> I don't know. He doesn't text us
[68:00] anymore. He's in Italy. Maybe he got
[68:01] kidnapped and there's some reason.
[68:03] >> I mean, am I paying for this trip? He's
[68:05] gone for months and months and months.
[68:08] What's going on?
[68:08] >> you what, without his presence we are
[68:09] all paying for this trip. I miss him
[68:11] dearly, so I can't wait for him to come
[68:13] back. I'm sure he will not listen to
[68:14] this podcast and, you know, I texted him
[68:16] the other day, no response. Texted him
[68:17] again, no response. Maybe I upset him.
[68:19] Maybe I said something.
[68:20] >> Maybe Maybe you did. Maybe we all did.
[68:22] Uh
[68:23] First question uh for Jacob from GN.
[68:25] Dear Doug and Play Group, so true.
[68:28] Uh why aren't modern Aston Martins more
[68:30] popular? They're beautiful and luxurious
[68:31] cars with great performance and they
[68:33] haven't destroyed the image like certain
[68:34] Italian car makers. He's referring to
[68:35] Ferrari and the ass luce.
[68:38] Uh so, why aren't Aston Martins more
[68:40] popular and worth more on the secondary
[68:42] market? It's an interesting question. Uh
[68:43] they've just never been.
[68:45] >> No, I think part of the brand is strong.
[68:47] >> The brand is strong, but I think that
[68:48] one of the things about them people are
[68:50] always perpetually concerned about is
[68:51] reliability. But the modern ones with
[68:53] the AMG engines, it's like
[68:55] >> But I would argue that a reason that the
[68:57] modern ones with the AMG engines have
[68:59] not been particularly strong is
[69:00] precisely because of that AMG engine.
[69:02] It's just not It's like I can get an AMG
[69:05] GT, you know?
[69:06] >> I think I think it's not even
[69:07] reliability, it's depreciation.
[69:08] >> That's the That was my next point is
[69:10] that like
[69:10] >> But that's his point. I think his point
[69:12] is why The question asker is asking why
[69:15] are those depreciating and other brands
[69:16] are not? Is what he's saying.
[69:17] >> the I think Ferrari just has like such
[69:20] brand cachet. Like it is so
[69:23] >> Aston Martin Aston Martin have his James
[69:25] Bond? If you go up to someone on the
[69:27] street
[69:28] >> James Bond is
[69:29] >> and you talk to them about Ferrari or
[69:29] Aston Martin, they hold them in similar
[69:31] regard like randoms,
[69:33] >> True, but like for us car enthusiasts
[69:34] like they're cool, but Ferraris are like
[69:38] your heart burns for that car. Like it's
[69:40] like that's the That was the conclusion.
[69:42] >> I agree with you completely and I think
[69:44] that is I think honestly emotional
[69:46] desire is a is a the primary reason. But
[69:49] I have to ask you, do you think that now
[69:52] that they've come out with the Valhalla
[69:54] and the Valkyrie and the Valour,
[69:57] do you have Has your opinion changed?
[70:01] >> I think that it's I respect them
[70:03] tremendously. I respect them a lot. I
[70:05] mean, you know, the fact they've gone to
[70:06] IMSA with an NA V12 and Le Mans with an
[70:08] NA V12. That's That's just badass. Like
[70:11] that I respect the hell out of that. And
[70:13] so like I certainly value the brand
[70:15] more, but I've always valued the brand
[70:16] like a lot. Like I plan after the Viper
[70:18] the next car I want is a Vanquish. An
[70:19] '05 Vanquish S. That's what I really
[70:21] want. Cuz I just I'll tell you what,
[70:22] like I've driven 575 Vanquish
[70:24] competitors back-to-back. The sound of
[70:26] the Vanquish, the looks, I I prefer a
[70:29] lot of aspects of that car to the 575.
[70:31] 575 is a better car and it does say
[70:33] Ferrari on it, but like the Aston is
[70:34] great, but I don't know. I value
[70:37] >> then? What's our Aston Martin problem?
[70:39] We don't love it
[70:39] >> definitely reliability, but um yeah, I
[70:42] don't I just think it's
[70:43] >> You don't think Ferraris are reliable?
[70:44] Ferrari values are strong even the
[70:46] really unreliable ones.
[70:48] >> That's [snorts] a fair point. Um I you
[70:50] know, I think that
[70:52] I also wonder if that they I don't know
[70:54] what production numbers are like between
[70:55] the two. If it just I There was just
[70:57] something Look at the months as I'm a
[70:58] little master making a Ferrari feel
[71:00] special in that era we grew up in.
[71:03] >> I think that when you that there's
[71:04] definitely a heritage component. There's
[71:06] definitely an emotional brand component.
[71:08] I also think that when you target luxury
[71:10] more than passion, luxury cars always
[71:14] depreciate and passion cars rarely
[71:16] depreciate as much. Um but I do think
[71:19] that Aston Martin is unfairly
[71:22] uh unfairly targeted in the car world. I
[71:26] think that their cars deserve to have
[71:27] stronger, especially cuz they still do a
[71:29] lot of manual cars. They still do a lot
[71:32] of actually pretty desirable enthusiast
[71:34] cars. I do think that a attainable
[71:37] mid-engine manual transmission car, an
[71:39] Audi R8 of the Aston Martin world, would
[71:42] really go a long way towards getting a
[71:44] lot of people interested in the a lot of
[71:46] real enthusiasts interested in the
[71:47] brand. And my sense is that they wanted
[71:49] to do that with both Valhalla and
[71:51] Valkyrie, and those cars both came in at
[71:53] a way too unattainable price point. And
[71:55] I think that if if I think that Aston
[71:57] maybe could have some effect on really
[71:59] getting into the sink your teeth into
[72:01] the enthusiast world while Porsche's off
[72:03] making automatic hybrids that you can't
[72:05] access the engine bay, and Ferrari's
[72:06] doing this the Luce, which is the worst
[72:08] thing ever. Aston maybe could go out and
[72:10] do that. And I wonder if if that's an
[72:12] opportunity that they should seize.
[72:13] >> Now's the time, Lawrence Stroll. Make it
[72:15] happen. This this is it.
[72:17] Um well, I I would personally love the
[72:19] brand. I hope to own There are a couple
[72:21] of Astons on my list I'd really like to
[72:23] own. You want to repeat?
[72:25] >> Yeah, but because they've depreciated
[72:27] heavily and are just hard to say no to.
[72:30] Yeah, and and in the whole Ferrari
[72:31] theory if if the road cars are good, the
[72:33] race cars stink and vice versa. I think
[72:35] Aston DNF'd or were last and second to
[72:38] last in the
[72:39] previous couple races, so
[72:41] they've got some hope. The road cars are
[72:43] improving.
[72:43] >> Formula 1 over at Aston Martin?
[72:45] >> Yeah, it's it's tough. It's
[72:46] >> It's a tough situation, yeah. Adrian
[72:48] Newey not happy, it sounds like over
[72:51] there. so.
[72:52] >> Yeah, it's bleak.
[72:53] >> I I now I think I think that
[72:54] appreciation thing is a hangover from
[72:56] the reliability of of previous cars and
[72:58] then I think it's you get rich, you buy
[73:00] a Ferrari or a Lambo. Like those are the
[73:02] two. So, this has to be like the fourth
[73:04] or fifth exotic car that you get before
[73:07] you kind of like checked the boxes that
[73:09] the rich guy go fast boxes.
[73:11] >> I was going to
[73:12] >> And I think that that holds them back a
[73:13] ton where it's like, okay, that the
[73:14] buyer pool of Aston's is really small
[73:16] where they're like tired of Ferrari's
[73:18] >> also is that Aston doesn't really want
[73:20] to go after the like really crazy fast
[73:23] exotic like that. I don't think they
[73:24] think they can play there. I think they
[73:25] think their space is the luxury exotic
[73:27] and by doing that you're sort of opening
[73:30] yourself up to that appreciation.
[73:31] >> latest projects, I think they're wrong.
[73:33] I think they could compete in that space
[73:34] and I think it would be pretty
[73:35] compelling. But, I will say when you
[73:37] look at Aston Martin on cars and bids,
[73:39] it is a sea of gray and
[73:42] black it's it's luxury cars.
[73:45] But, when you look at Ferrari, it is a
[73:46] sea of red exciting sports cars.
[73:49] >> There are some black and silver ones in
[73:50] there, too. But, like
[73:52] that the color palette alone tells you a
[73:55] lot like between you know, about like
[73:57] lighting your heart on fire.
[73:58] >> Your median price on that Aston Martin
[74:00] one is like 38 grand, too.
[74:02] >> Yep.
[74:02] >> Yep.
[74:03] >> Which again, the new cars you look at
[74:05] the values of the used cars and you say,
[74:06] oh, these cars don't hold their value
[74:07] and it becomes a self-fulfilling
[74:09] prophecy. But, um I I think if Aston
[74:11] Martin just stays in the game, they have
[74:13] a shot, too, because Jaguar's falling
[74:15] out. Like a couple of these brands go
[74:17] away and they have less competition.
[74:19] That's the other problem.
[74:20] >> Even in if you want a British sports
[74:21] car, all right, you've got Lotus, you've
[74:23] got McLaren, you've got had Jaguar. Like
[74:26] there there are plenty of options and I
[74:28] think if they were the only British
[74:30] sports car, that might give them some
[74:32] traction and they could really lean into
[74:34] the whole James Bond thing or what have
[74:36] you. But, I I think McLaren having their
[74:39] moment kind of took away the opportunity
[74:41] Aston had to be sort of the preeminent
[74:44] rich guy go fast out of out of Great
[74:46] Britain. And I think they don't want it.
[74:48] I think they want to be seen as more of
[74:49] a classy, luxurious, well-styled
[74:51] situation.
[74:53] Um but it has been interesting watching
[74:54] them come with these super high-end
[74:55] exotics and
[74:56] >> I love them.
[74:57] >> Yeah, same. Uh next question from Felipe
[75:01] Lotus. I see you guys like to sell your
[75:03] cars on Cars and Bids. We've all sold
[75:04] cars on Cars and Bids, but other than
[75:06] Felipe buying a GTI, you seem to find
[75:08] and purchase cars elsewhere. Should we
[75:10] get the impression it's great to sell on
[75:11] your site, but as a buyer it's best to
[75:13] look elsewhere or for a deal? Um
[75:16] If Nick bought a car on Cars and Bids
[75:17] And apparently tomorrow he's going to
[75:19] buy a TTRS.
[75:20] >> I've I've bid on a lot.
[75:22] >> I've Yeah, I've bid on I've bid on cars
[75:23] too that I genuinely went after and
[75:25] wanted. So it's
[75:26] >> I would argue though that it's not
[75:28] because we think it's a bad place to
[75:30] find a deal or a good car, whatever.
[75:32] It's more that we're very particular. I
[75:34] I
[75:34] I would love to buy a car on Cars and
[75:36] Bids. You know, I went out looking for a
[75:37] Supra. I wanted a red manual. You can't
[75:39] find that It's very uncommon to find the
[75:41] kind of stuff that we have started
[75:43] looking for basically anywhere. I mean,
[75:45] even Cannon with the Viper, he is pretty
[75:47] specific, right? There's a couple model
[75:49] years, no modifications, certain color,
[75:51] etc., etc. If you wait around If you If
[75:53] you are that specific, you it can be a
[75:56] while before a car like that comes up on
[75:58] Cars and Bids. And I find us to be a
[75:59] relatively impatient lot. And I also
[76:01] find us to be a lot that's willing to
[76:03] kind of change tack based on Nick
[76:05] especially, if if the wind blows a
[76:07] different way, hey, maybe there's a
[76:08] convertible Range Rover I can get, you
[76:10] know. [snorts]
[76:10] >> Well, I I think I
[76:12] I
[76:13] Not as a flex here, but
[76:15] for better or worse, we are now at a
[76:16] stage where cars tend to find us because
[76:19] of the podcast and other things. And so
[76:22] if you can get a a non-publicly
[76:24] transacted car that's really rare and
[76:26] you don't have to compete against others
[76:27] and someone just like, "Hey, I'm trying
[76:28] to like" Literally someone emailed me
[76:30] this week saying, "If you want to give
[76:32] up on your P38, I have a a G500 I will
[76:34] sell to you cheap." And it's like, yeah,
[76:36] if it if it went on Cars and Bids, he
[76:38] would get more money. If I If I I get a
[76:40] pocket deal here, like maybe that is
[76:42] like, "Yeah, I'm not." No, is what I
[76:44] told him, but like if cars find you, it
[76:46] it's kind of a nice thing to do.
[76:48] >> Nick, take that deal. You get out of
[76:50] your P38, which is trash, and you get
[76:51] into a G, which is great. They're great
[76:53] cars.
[76:54] >> But it's so great that Doug is going to
[76:55] get rid of his and never touch a G
[76:57] again, and it's the worst thing that's
[76:58] ever happened, and the tirade he went on
[77:00] the other day in our friend chat was
[77:02] rough. So, definitely get one of those.
[77:03] Shawn couldn't handle it, he couldn't
[77:04] handle it. Surely you can.
[77:05] >> My P38 now has a glove box.
[77:08] Um, it's it's pretty sorted.
[77:09] >> Luxury.
[77:10] >> What's sad about my G, Cammie, is that
[77:11] it's the last car that I is a holdover
[77:13] from before the Cars and Bids era.
[77:16] >> Uh-huh.
[77:17] >> I Ford GT The Ford GT is, you know,
[77:20] >> And so, if the G goes, there will just
[77:22] be that one car left.
[77:23] >> And the Ford GT, if the right heritage
[77:25] comes along, is not looking good for
[77:27] that one, either, so
[77:29] >> I Yeah, I really want a heritage now.
[77:31] I'm off white, I want a heritage. I'm
[77:33] not going to spend for it.
[77:34] >> I'm not that kind.
[77:35] >> See, the other corollary here is you all
[77:37] have a rule that you can't bid on a car
[77:39] on Cars and Bids unless it's no reserve,
[77:40] which does limit it, because not
[77:42] everyone runs no reserve. Cammie and I
[77:44] are now able to do whatever we want and
[77:46] go willy-nilly, but Doug, you you
[77:48] especially have to be careful on bidding
[77:50] on things, because seeing your username
[77:52] on an auction could sway the results.
[77:54] So, you got to like
[77:55] >> Yeah, I don't like to bid I don't like
[77:58] to bid
[77:59] because
[78:00] for that reason. I don't want and I
[78:02] don't want the seller then to be upset.
[78:04] I think that sometimes if people saw
[78:06] that they were bidding against me,
[78:07] either for financial reasons or because
[78:08] it's like the guy who owns the site, I'm
[78:10] going to defer to him, people might
[78:11] bail, and I don't want the seller then
[78:13] to be like, "Hey, you tanked my auction
[78:15] because you bid, and people didn't want
[78:17] to participate." And I don't even
[78:18] necessarily think that would be true,
[78:20] but I do think that's an argument that
[78:21] sellers could make, and it could be a
[78:22] real possibility. And so,
[78:25] I would prefer generally prefer not to
[78:28] buy on Cars and Bids if I can avoid it.
[78:30] I will say, there are some cars that
[78:31] have come up recently that I've been
[78:32] like,
[78:34] I'm I'm
[78:35] going to throw it all
[78:37] Forget it all. I'm going to do it.
[78:39] But I definitely don't want to be
[78:40] accused of meddling with the process and
[78:43] I think that that could be a legitimate
[78:45] accusation someone could throw against
[78:47] me if I'm bidding with my username for
[78:48] sure.
[78:49] >> I had that happen with a Z4 M Coupe I
[78:51] was bidding on on Hawaii. Actually you
[78:52] encouraged me to bid on and I started
[78:54] bidding on that car someone that was
[78:56] exactly what someone said they're like
[78:57] wait a minute. They said they realized
[78:58] like oh well he works for the site like
[79:00] I probably kick it and then they're like
[79:01] wait a minute. I'm just going to keep
[79:02] bidding and so the guy came back and he
[79:03] commented this and like then he just
[79:05] came back and kept bidding and that was
[79:06] the guy who ended up winning the car. It
[79:07] just went a little higher than I I
[79:08] wanted to but
[79:10] you're exact all the points you guys hit
[79:12] on are correct.
[79:13] >> Personally I think both of you are
[79:14] operating in an abundance of caution
[79:16] there. The more bidders the better if I
[79:18] were the seller but I respect that you
[79:20] guys have rules and boundaries and like
[79:22] want to avoid even the appearance of
[79:24] foul play. I think that's the right move
[79:26] but like personally if I ever run a car
[79:28] with an reserve you're welcome to bid on
[79:30] it Doug.
[79:32] >> I appreciate that that's beautiful.
[79:33] >> want the cars that Nick will have to
[79:35] offer.
[79:35] >> I do. I want cars that
[79:39] I want cars that were lesser versions of
[79:40] cars that I myself did previously own.
[79:42] >> Nick you should get a G Wagon for that
[79:44] reason. Go down my road again. Come on.
[79:47] >> Yeah big words from someone who just
[79:49] bought a 210 E55 Wagon.
[79:51] >> Nick you think about leasing a Wrangler
[79:53] too? You think about leasing a
[79:55] >> would get a Grand Cherokee for my E.
[79:57] They don't sell that anymore. All right
[79:59] next question from JB.
[80:03] >> [laughter]
[80:04] >> Someone wants to place an order. Oh it's
[80:05] open again. Here we go.
[80:08] >> From JB1016.
[80:10] You Doug can you talk about your
[80:11] feelings toward Volkswagen? It's a brand
[80:13] with a huge enthusiast following but
[80:14] you've only had one. I had a Mark 5 GTI
[80:16] and you can't seem to hide your contempt
[80:19] like calling a Volkswagen guy.
[80:21] I want to [snorts] be clear about this.
[80:23] I do not love
[80:27] I I don't love when an enthusiast is
[80:29] into to brand.
[80:31] If any brand,
[80:32] it's not my thing. I joke about our
[80:35] friend group, which is funny because we
[80:37] have incredibly diverse car tastes, but
[80:39] it's still not diverse enough for me.
[80:41] Like I like I like SUVs, pickup trucks,
[80:44] cars, sports cars, sedans, wagons,
[80:46] luxury. I like everything. And I do not
[80:50] identify well with people who are
[80:52] enthusiasts of one brand. And um
[80:55] Kamisa's Kamisa's got he's to say some
[80:58] Volkswagens and BMWs. That's I mean, I
[81:00] don't care. It's not like he can he
[81:01] should change cuz I told him to. I just
[81:03] for me personally, I like a a good
[81:05] variety of person. So Volkswagen guy is
[81:08] a derisive term for Kamisa, but if it
[81:09] was Honda, then I would say he's a Honda
[81:11] guy. You know, like I it's just not I
[81:14] just really believe that like a a true
[81:17] my my love of cars is like deep and pure
[81:20] and all-encompassing in a way that I I
[81:23] just don't get when people are singular
[81:25] brand people. That's that's that's my
[81:28] answer to that.
[81:29] >> I think I mean, yeah. Cuz I think the
[81:30] thing you you discount from that is if
[81:32] they grew up with a car, that's what
[81:33] they love, that's what they know, and so
[81:35] they've gotten deeper into that, and I
[81:36] respect that a lot. And honestly, also
[81:38] like to be people may not have the
[81:40] capacity you have to memorize every
[81:42] detail about every single car that's
[81:43] ever been built and like all like they
[81:45] they're just like there are things that,
[81:47] you know, either suit their needs or
[81:49] suit their tastes, and like I think
[81:50] that's fine.
[81:51] >> Well, yeah, but having 12 of the it's
[81:52] fine. Yeah, but having 12 of the I'm not
[81:54] wanting to move on. I just to it's not
[81:57] my thing, and it's not what And so I'm
[81:58] always going to whenever I have the
[82:00] whenever I meet someone or know someone
[82:01] who's who's had 10 of the something, I I
[82:04] I always am whenever they talk to me,
[82:05] I'm always taking a little bit of a
[82:08] have that bias in my mind. This person
[82:10] is talking as someone who is into this
[82:13] type of car, and I am not into any type
[82:15] of car.
[82:16] Um
[82:17] By the way, I grew up with a Mazda
[82:19] Tribute.
[82:21] >> Right.
[82:22] >> Congratulations.
[82:22] >> Congratulations.
[82:24] >> Three later.
[82:25] >> Yes. Yes.
[82:27] I just I you know
[82:27] >> It's not a Volkswagen. Just just for
[82:29] your awareness.
[82:30] >> Well, he was talking about cars people
[82:31] grew up with. What about the Ford Escape
[82:34] twin? What if you grew up with a Tribute
[82:35] Mariner
[82:38] or
[82:39] Escape?
[82:39] >> We I grew up with a first-gen first
[82:42] model year VW Touareg. Fantastic
[82:44] vehicle.
[82:46] Dealer might have bought it back with 18
[82:48] months later, but
[82:49] >> [laughter]
[82:49] >> it was lovely when it worked.
[82:51] Um I you know, I I made the mistake of
[82:53] doing that. I think
[82:55] I I was really into Audis. They become
[82:57] familiar. And then you like kind of you
[82:58] become part of like the guy is part of
[83:00] an Audi group. And then like all my
[83:01] friends had Audis. And like I see how
[83:03] you fall into that trap where you're
[83:05] just sort of like I'm going to stay with
[83:07] the four rings. And and honestly, they
[83:08] were all great cars.
[83:09] >> you got the scan tools. You you like you
[83:11] you are you
[83:12] >> VAG-COM tool alone was like just I I
[83:14] knew how to do all the mods. Like it was
[83:16] great. And and that does build some
[83:18] loyalty, much like flying an airline, I
[83:20] suppose. But I am really happy now that
[83:22] I've experienced more variety. And and
[83:24] sure, I will put an American car or a
[83:26] Japanese car on that list. Um if
[83:28] anything, just to try it. And if I don't
[83:29] like it, fine. I'll sell it.
[83:32] >> He's not going to do that, folks.
[83:33] >> No. He's going to buy another P38 Range
[83:35] Rover.
[83:36] >> Yes.
[83:36] >> Uh next question from This is a good
[83:39] question actually to ask with Filippo
[83:40] not here from Saab 95 or Saab 95.
[83:44] Uh Duder, what is the consensus on
[83:46] owning a Saab a Saab these days? Are
[83:49] they cool and unique or are they just a
[83:50] weird brand for eccentric people? It's
[83:53] an interesting question. There was a
[83:54] long time where they were cool and
[83:55] unique and kind of fun and quirky and
[83:57] but they've gotten so old now that it's
[83:59] gotten harder to like
[84:02] do it.
[84:03] >> What's
[84:03] to me, I respect even more. It means you
[84:06] really love and like
[84:07] >> extent, but like I do think it has also
[84:09] sussed out some of the quirky people who
[84:11] would have had them, you know, like when
[84:13] they weren't like like they always had
[84:14] this reputation being architects and
[84:16] designers drove Saabs. Now you have to
[84:18] be like a pretty legit like finding your
[84:21] own parts on eBay type of dude to make
[84:23] it work. And I still think it's cool. I
[84:25] still think they're special cars, but it
[84:27] definitely it's definitely become much
[84:29] more of a niche than it was. When I was
[84:31] a kid,
[84:32] Saabs were a different just another
[84:34] luxury brand like Audi. It's definitely
[84:36] gone in a different direction since
[84:38] they're they haven't existed in 15
[84:40] years.
[84:42] >> Man, it's been that long.
[84:43] >> You ever think about a Saab, Nick?
[84:45] >> Nope.
[84:46] I It is a deep Filippo car though. I
[84:48] mean like what you're describing,
[84:49] slightly contrarian, wants a deal
[84:53] >> Slightly.
[84:54] >> It it it it
[84:55] >> [laughter]
[84:55] >> it fits a certain type of person now and
[84:57] and then I don't think it's just sports
[84:59] car buyer. It's someone trying to make a
[85:01] a statement almost.
[85:03] >> [snorts]
[85:04] >> Uh next question, this one is for you,
[85:05] Nick, from Kelly Ace. Hello Doug and the
[85:07] gang, it seems several of you are in
[85:09] need of a new daily driver. Seeing as
[85:11] some of the more interesting electric
[85:12] cars have fallen into a more intriguing
[85:14] price point, is there a chance someone
[85:16] on the team will go electric? Nick, what
[85:17] about that? You're looking for a new
[85:18] family car. Uh have you thought about a
[85:21] used electric car at a good price?
[85:24] >> I I have.
[85:25] Um
[85:26] And and I I still love that idea. I'm
[85:28] not sure if my wife's on board. Um the
[85:30] ID Buzz is up there again cuz I'm
[85:32] looking for a people mover.
[85:34] >> Get a nice Euro car, why not?
[85:36] >> A Cross Turismo. Yes, a Euro car, of
[85:38] course.
[85:39] Uh what else did we look at? R1S. Um I'm
[85:41] still really into. You know, honestly,
[85:43] the Model X, as much as I'm not
[85:46] I hate those doors, but they're cheap,
[85:48] man. They are so cheap for just like a
[85:50] drop the kids off, but it's got to have
[85:52] three rows. Three row pure EVs is not a
[85:56] terribly popular or large segment, but I
[85:58] I think the R1S would be the top of my
[86:00] list. They haven't really depreciated as
[86:02] much as some of the others, and the ID
[86:04] Buzz is still too new. Like someone
[86:06] claimed that you could get them for like
[86:07] 30 or 40. I I can't find those. I can't
[86:10] replicate that.
[86:11] >> You have You can do it, but it's like a
[86:13] base base base base model that you
[86:15] probably don't want.
[86:16] >> So [clears throat] I
[86:17] >> want You want multicolor.
[86:18] >> We're almost there like if I if I were
[86:19] okay with the sedan, it would be the
[86:20] Audi RS e-tron.
[86:23] Um you can get those dirt cheap. They
[86:24] look amazing. It would be a great
[86:26] commuter.
[86:27] >> Those are great Euro car choices. Uh
[86:30] Kennen, have you ever thought about
[86:30] going [laughter] electric?
[86:32] >> Uh yeah, one of the electric cars that
[86:33] like really appealing is the Audi RS GT
[86:35] e-tron is or however it's
[86:38] >> I've heard of those. I've heard someone
[86:40] else recently tell me that those are
[86:42] desirable and appealing cars.
[86:44] >> [laughter]
[86:45] >> I think it is. I think it's one of the
[86:46] most attractive four-door
[86:48] >> He pulled He pulled a Nick and tuned out
[86:50] while I was talking and didn't know what
[86:51] you were saying.
[86:52] >> But that's like that for me is like
[86:53] >> Am I a woman? Are you going to take my
[86:55] ideas and claim them as your own now?
[86:56] >> Oh my god. All right, Nick. But no, I
[86:59] genuinely think that's like one of the
[87:01] only cars I can think of EVs that I'd
[87:03] actually like genuinely want to own.
[87:05] >> you in an i3 as a daily.
[87:07] >> So, i3 is another one. The only thing
[87:08] I'm really concerned about that with
[87:09] that is insurance because it's a carbon
[87:11] tub. So, if anything happens with that,
[87:12] my understanding
[87:13] >> Well, there's five brands that make
[87:14] them.
[87:15] >> You do is you don't insure it.
[87:16] Um I
[87:17] >> [laughter]
[87:17] >> Right. So, I don't know. That would be
[87:18] cool.
[87:20] >> I don't know about how you guys feel,
[87:21] but I was considering getting an Audi
[87:22] e-tron GT RS. I don't know how it's
[87:24] supposed to be said.
[87:25] >> [laughter]
[87:26] >> I completely tuned out cuz I was trying
[87:27] to think of any others that I liked and
[87:29] I it's like I
[87:30] There aren't that many like I don't
[87:32] know. I could It will happen one day
[87:33] when the Rivian R3 comes out. I really
[87:35] want one of those cuz I like that car a
[87:37] lot, but it doesn't exist yet.
[87:39] >> you this, people. I will buy an EV
[87:42] when Mercedes-Benz makes an E-Class
[87:44] station wagon electric.
[87:47] >> Okay.
[87:48] Yep.
[87:48] >> I could see you in a the
[87:50] Escalade IQ. You seem like the kind that
[87:52] want to flex in the drive pick up
[87:54] drive-thru.
[87:55] The kids pick up.
[87:56] >> You're giving me crap. You're over here
[87:57] trying to get a Model X with your doors.
[87:59] >> I'm a man of the people. I would be
[88:01] getting a Silverado RS work truck
[88:03] probably.
[88:03] >> And Nick, real question. If you got that
[88:05] Model X you're lusting after, would you
[88:07] get one of those we bought this before
[88:08] we knew Elon was crazy bumper stickers?
[88:10] >> 100%. His wife would make him do it.
[88:12] There's [laughter] no question.
[88:13] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't get it the doors
[88:15] alone are a deal killer on it. I'm just
[88:16] saying there there a deal if you just
[88:18] want like a SUV commuter.
[88:20] >> I will only get an electric. I would
[88:22] have bought an i5 electric wagon by the
[88:24] way.
[88:24] >> Oh, yeah.
[88:25] >> I want an electric. Now that we're
[88:26] having a third kid it's things are a
[88:27] little bit more challenging but
[88:29] I will get an electric e-class wagon.
[88:32] Give me feed me an electric e-class
[88:34] wagon and I will buy it. The
[88:37] the the world has learned that the only
[88:39] way I'll buy cars is if they're
[88:40] Mercedes-Benz e-classes. So if you want
[88:43] me to go into the next thing get me an
[88:45] e-class station wagon.
[88:46] >> have they have the electric G wagons
[88:48] come down at all in the used market?
[88:49] >> No, they have not but they will be at
[88:51] the end of that.
[88:52] >> Shockingly not that desirable. I wanted
[88:53] to two more questions. I wanted to two
[88:55] more questions two more questions. One
[88:56] is for Westland. It says question for
[88:58] Doug but this is really a question for
[88:59] Nick and Cannon. Dear Doug, who do you
[89:01] if anybody let drive your special cars?
[89:03] What are your criteria for making
[89:05] decisions? Does insurance limit anybody
[89:07] from driving your cars? Nick, have you
[89:09] ever driven anybody cars?
[89:11] >> Ford GT.
[89:11] >> Drove the Ford GT
[89:13] stalled it out and it's a car which
[89:17] >> in the world to drive.
[89:18] >> to both turn the key and push a button
[89:21] and I kept turning the key and nothing
[89:22] happened. I didn't see the button.
[89:24] >> It was
[89:24] >> So I I stalled out backing into a car
[89:26] show and then like everyone's staring at
[89:29] me and I'm just sitting there not able
[89:31] to turn it on and then I have to roll
[89:32] down the window and yell Doug, can you
[89:33] turn the car on please?
[89:34] >> Then then he opened the door which I
[89:36] getting into a parking spot. It's just
[89:38] it was a hard situation for us all to
[89:40] witness but
[89:41] >> And [laughter] and I got to drive your
[89:42] Countach very briefly picking it up from
[89:45] service for some reason you needed me to
[89:47] do that instead of
[89:49] flat betting it or finding something
[89:51] else. But I wanted the excuse to drive a
[89:52] Countach. It was a pretty special moment
[89:55] but those are the only two and oh, I
[89:57] drove your A-Class.
[89:58] That was pretty pretty neat.
[89:59] >> Nice.
[90:00] >> On a racetrack.
[90:01] >> Doug doesn't let me drive any of his
[90:02] cars. I've only driven two. I've driven
[90:04] the A-Class and the uh E450 all-terrain.
[90:07] That's it.
[90:08] >> Really?
[90:08] >> That's it.
[90:09] >> I don't I I a lot of people really
[90:11] >> the responsibility.
[90:12] >> A lot of people are cool with people
[90:14] driving their cars. I it makes me a
[90:16] little bit more nervous. It's hard My
[90:18] cars are hard to replace.
[90:19] >> Yeah.
[90:19] >> Um
[90:21] and there's some of them are a couple of
[90:22] them are really expensive. And I think
[90:24] that that's a real burden you put on
[90:26] someone. And I think that people are
[90:27] like, "Oh man, it's so cool you let your
[90:28] drive your car GT." Well, that's cool
[90:30] right up until it crashes and then it
[90:32] ends a friendship. And and more. I mean,
[90:35] there would there
[90:36] Can you write a check for that? Can I I
[90:37] like it it it's it's obviously it's
[90:39] insured, but like what what what does
[90:41] that mean? What happens next, you know?
[90:44] It's a it's an It's not a great scenario
[90:46] to be in and I just would rather not
[90:49] have it occur. Um I don't really have
[90:52] problems.
[90:53] >> Yeah. I'm pretty generous with lending
[90:54] my cars out.
[90:56] >> And Nick takes the opposite approach. He
[90:57] says, "Yeah, which is fine."
[90:59] >> let anyone drive my 993 Turbo. Does Does
[91:01] anyone want to
[91:02] Guys, do you do you want to drive my
[91:05] >> I would be down to take a spin and see
[91:06] how overvalued that car is.
[91:08] >> [laughter]
[91:10] >> I've offered that car to several of my
[91:11] friends and no one seems me particularly
[91:13] interested in driving the 993.
[91:14] >> I'm fine I
[91:15] Well, I love 993s.
[91:16] >> It's funny I I lent out my SLR to
[91:18] Braeden the other day. He was like, "Oh,
[91:20] I want to just take it out to this like
[91:21] car show." And I'm like, "Sure." And
[91:23] it's like at this boba place and there's
[91:26] like He sent me a picture there's like
[91:28] trance music and like neons and foam not
[91:31] foam machines, fog machines. And I'm
[91:33] like, "My god, when you said car show, I
[91:35] thought something totally different."
[91:37] >> That's the kind of show Braeden's going
[91:39] to go to. You got to know that going in.
[91:40] You What did you think he was going to
[91:42] take it to like a luxury goods show?
[91:44] Like Like it's going to be like high-end
[91:45] swag?
[91:46] >> I wasn't expecting a concour, but I just
[91:48] didn't think that like it would be like
[91:50] the bao buns crowd. Like I just sort of
[91:52] expected
[91:53] >> Braeden is our link to a world that we
[91:56] left behind. That's what you need to
[91:58] remember.
[91:59] >> It it was I think it was cool to see it
[92:01] there cuz it just looks so out of place
[92:03] on so many levels, but uh uh he had a
[92:05] good time and then he's like he's very
[92:06] careful. Like he text me, all right, I'm
[92:08] there, I'm returning, it's back safely,
[92:11] and then he wipes it down. Like they he
[92:12] runs a detailing shop, so I kind of get
[92:14] a free detail out of it, so it it works
[92:16] out great, but uh
[92:17] >> A lead finish off of uh off of uh
[92:20] Carrera GT
[92:21] >> And importantly, he he asked for
[92:23] permission every time and I give it to
[92:24] him, so like like if your shop is taking
[92:27] your car against your knowledge, that's
[92:28] one thing. If you're like, no, I would
[92:30] love that. He always gives me like
[92:31] really cool pictures he takes on his
[92:32] fancy camera. Like I'm pumped on it and
[92:35] I think it's so cool to let other people
[92:36] experience the cars.
[92:37] >> I agree.
[92:38] >> so much to him and for me it's like
[92:41] great. I don't care if you put on 3 mi
[92:43] driving it to a
[92:44] a boba tea place in Convoy Street.
[92:47] >> I I have to tell you my
[92:50] I am legitimately and truly sad that
[92:53] that my friends do not get to experience
[92:54] the Carrera GT. I truly believe that the
[92:57] Carrera GT, how I have it set up, is
[92:59] probably the greatest driving car that I
[93:00] have ever driven. I mean that with all
[93:02] the sincerity in my heart. And it is I I
[93:05] am sad that that that my friends and and
[93:08] people that I think really would
[93:09] appreciate it have like Sam has
[93:13] mid-engine boxer. I think that would be
[93:14] cool for him to have that experience. I
[93:16] think both of you would get a lot out of
[93:17] it. I really think it is special.
[93:19] >> Um I don't want it.
[93:20] >> the purchase is pretty grand.
[93:22] >> I don't want it. Yeah, it's like I have
[93:24] also no friends. I've driven Carrera GTs
[93:25] before, but like not yours that are the
[93:27] way it is.
[93:28] >> speed. He's driven it at high
[93:30] >> No, I obey the laws, of course. Tug, you
[93:32] what are you going to you're going out
[93:34] of going beyond the speed limit? Don't
[93:35] be ridiculous. I will say I have been
[93:37] lucky I mean I've ridden in the car when
[93:39] you have pushed it. So I like I get it.
[93:41] I just don't want them responsibility of
[93:43] a $2.5 million car.
[93:44] >> Everybody I've ever even intimated maybe
[93:46] driving that car is like I'd rather not.
[93:48] And I I agree. Like I don't like driving
[93:50] the cars for videos. If it wasn't for
[93:52] videos, I wouldn't drive a CLK GTR at an
[93:55] F It It seems really cool when you're
[93:57] 22. Oh man, you got to drive It's not
[94:00] all that cool when like life is real.
[94:02] >> [laughter]
[94:02] >> Yeah, exactly. Best part's handing in
[94:03] the keys back.
[94:04] >> that experience.
[94:05] >> That That is the beauty of having
[94:06] cheaper cars is then you don't question
[94:08] it. I lent out my P38 to someone for
[94:10] weeks cuz they totaled their car. Still
[94:12] has my Ford Focus, this guy. Um but I'm
[94:15] like cool, it's a great It's free
[94:16] parking. Um the Arnage I lent to Shawn
[94:19] and he took it up to LA. Like it is cool
[94:21] when you have cars that you're not
[94:22] precious about to do that, but that the
[94:24] nice cars you don't. The other corollary
[94:26] that I learned the hard way, I lent my
[94:27] Murcielago out to our good friend Matt.
[94:30] He loved it so much that he immediately
[94:32] started shopping for one. Couldn't find
[94:34] the right Murci, so he went into a
[94:36] Diablo. That Diablo then has had some
[94:38] mechanical issues and resulted in a
[94:40] major rebuild and I I carry some guilt
[94:43] that I kind of instigated this, right?
[94:45] Like I got him into with the idea of a
[94:48] roadster V12 Lamborghini. He then
[94:50] pursued it. He sent me that Diablo prior
[94:52] to buying it and was like, "Yeah, that
[94:53] looks cool." And it ended up being just
[94:56] a disaster to own and I'm like, I I was
[94:59] the the butterfly effect here that
[95:01] resulted in him needing to send his
[95:03] Diablo to Columbus, Ohio to get rebuilt.
[95:06] So, you do have to worry about that a
[95:07] little too.
[95:08] >> I I have to say, well, I take pride in
[95:10] that. Doug took one ride in my 355 and
[95:11] wanted a buzzy Italian car and bought
[95:13] the Countach, so
[95:14] >> That's exactly right. That is exactly
[95:16] right. That did happen.
[95:17] >> the other way. It can
[95:17] >> work the other way, but it it's it's and
[95:19] that was that was the greatest greatest
[95:22] the greatest
[95:23] physical possession that I owned is my
[95:25] my Lamborghini Countach. Uh last
[95:27] question from Coyote Queen TN. Coyote
[95:29] Queen TN, dear Doug and crew, we all
[95:31] know the famous story of Ford trying to
[95:32] buy Ferrari in '63, the deal collapsed,
[95:34] etc. But what if the deal had gone
[95:36] through? How do you think Ferrari would
[95:37] look today under the blue oval?
[95:38] Conversely, how do you think the world's
[95:39] most prestigious supercar brand would
[95:41] have changed Ford? You know, it's it's
[95:42] an interesting question, but we actually
[95:44] have some examples of what would have
[95:47] happened in the world.
[95:49] Um what's that?
[95:51] >> Premier Auto Group or they later in the
[95:53] world Ford bought Aston Martin and later
[95:56] in the world Lamborghini Chrysler bought
[95:57] Lamborghini. And um
[96:00] what happened in both cases was uh they
[96:03] sold them quick. And and I think that
[96:05] probably would have happened with Ford
[96:06] and Ferrari as well. I think they would
[96:08] have found it very difficult to own a
[96:10] brand that was half a world away in
[96:12] terms of time zones in an era before the
[96:14] internet and before
[96:16] ease of of you know, synergies and in in
[96:20] part sharing and construction. I think
[96:22] it would have been hard. Um, and I think
[96:24] honestly not much great would have come
[96:25] from it. My guess is Ford would have
[96:27] tried to make a couple of
[96:29] um more volume-oriented Ferrari models.
[96:33] It wouldn't have gone all that well and
[96:35] then they probably would have sold the
[96:37] company either at a small loss or a
[96:38] small gain, which is precisely what
[96:40] happened with Lamborghini and Chrysler
[96:41] and precisely what happened with Ford
[96:43] and Aston Martin. I don't think they
[96:44] would still own them. I don't think they
[96:45] would have owned them for very long. Um,
[96:48] honestly Maserati and Ferrari is also
[96:50] kind of a an example of this because FCA
[96:52] owned both brands. They did take
[96:54] Ferraris and turn them into Maseratis
[96:56] and in a way
[96:57] with some part sharing, some engine
[96:58] sharing etc.
[97:00] Um
[97:01] but
[97:02] it was it was never like this huge
[97:04] thing. Ferrari's back as its own company
[97:06] once again. Same kind of situation.
[97:08] That's that's my guess of what would
[97:09] have happened. I I don't think it's a
[97:11] great what if, honestly.
[97:13] >> I yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with
[97:14] everything you said. That's that's
[97:16] exactly how I feel about it. Instead it
[97:17] went to Fiat and
[97:19] you know, we got And you got the the
[97:21] that era of course. They they did
[97:22] because they kind of did that. They did
[97:23] start mass producing cars. Like the the
[97:25] Dino engine was shared with the Fiat
[97:26] Spider and then of course the 308 series
[97:28] came out.
[97:28] >> Relative to how they had been made
[97:30] before and honestly a lot I think a lot
[97:32] of Ferrari enthusiasts would argue that
[97:33] it was a good era and very beneficial
[97:35] for the company. I'm not sure Ford would
[97:37] have done it. I think someone needed to
[97:39] do it in order to take Ferrari to the
[97:40] next level and it was so done. And and
[97:43] probably Ford would have had some of
[97:44] that effect on Ferrari anyway, like Fiat
[97:46] did.
[97:47] >> True.
[97:48] >> The The other interesting thing to in
[97:49] that hypothetical though is not just
[97:51] there's no internet in different times
[97:53] zones. Culturally, they couldn't have
[97:54] been different, right? Like Ford was run
[97:56] a little bit at that era by suits and
[97:58] thinking of the business case and like
[98:00] Ferrari was very much race on Sunday and
[98:02] like the cars were sort of an
[98:03] afterthought.
[98:04] >> Totally. That's a good point. It would
[98:05] have been interesting I I Not a lot of
[98:07] cross-national things had happened by
[98:09] then. This was the '60s.
[98:11] Daimler-Chrysler was 30 years away, you
[98:13] know, there These these globe giant
[98:15] global mergers, you know, were were
[98:17] still long ways off. It certainly would
[98:19] have been among the earlier examples of
[98:21] such a thing. Ford and Volvo and GM and
[98:24] Saab and all that came a lot later when,
[98:26] you know, M&A became like kind of a
[98:28] bigger thing in that industry. And And
[98:29] it's all gone away now, by the way.
[98:31] These These brands have all kind of
[98:32] stopped doing that. Um but it would have
[98:35] been a culture a weird cultural shift,
[98:36] for sure. I I'm curious how they would
[98:38] have handled it. But my guess is not
[98:40] long, not much in terms of results and
[98:43] would have been a a private company.
[98:45] >> And it's again not that long later.
[98:47] >> Right. Instead, they went back to the
[98:48] ugly factory building the ugly cars and
[98:50] two and two years later beat Ferrari at
[98:51] Le Mans. So, you know, it's a great
[98:53] story. It's a wonderful story.
[98:55] >> Yep, and we have the Ford GT Heritage as
[98:57] a result.
[98:58] >> Well, that came much later. Actually, it
[99:00] wasn't two years. But anyway, you get
[99:01] the you get the idea.
[99:02] >> Uh I appreciate everybody watching.
[99:04] Nick, you got any final thoughts for us?
[99:06] Why don't you throw something out for
[99:07] us?
[99:07] >> Ooh.
[99:09] You know, you ask me this every time and
[99:11] you'd think I'd prepare something in
[99:13] advance.
[99:14] >> But that's Nick.
[99:15] >> Absolutely did not.
[99:16] >> He's Googling instead. Cannon, you got
[99:18] any final thoughts for us?
[99:19] >> Uh yes, unfortunately, I will not be
[99:20] here next week. I'm going back to Ohio
[99:22] for some family matters. Um but I But
[99:24] yes, none of It will be an interesting
[99:26] podcast next week.
[99:27] >> have a podcast next week. I've been
[99:29] trying to convince Sean to cancel next
[99:30] week's podcast. So, we'll see. That
[99:32] That's my grand dream for us. Uh but
[99:35] we'll see what happens.
[99:36] >> was told remote podcast next week, in
[99:37] which case I will be dialing in from the
[99:39] great state of Wyoming.
[99:41] I'm sure the internet connection will be
[99:43] wonderful out there. It'll be
[99:44] >> We got We got Starlink.
[99:46] >> Nick, Wyoming
[99:48] Nick, Wyoming was the first state to
[99:49] give women the right to vote.
[99:52] >> Didn't I know that?
[99:53] >> Okay. Uh goodbye, everyone. Thank you
[99:55] for watching our podcast. We really
[99:56] appreciate it. Absolute pleasure.
[99:58] >> Goodbye. [snorts]