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title: 'The New BMW M, New GM Trucks & The Stradman''s Lamborghini Catches Fire! THIS CAR POD! EP116'
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# The New BMW M, New GM Trucks & The Stradman's Lamborghini Catches Fire! THIS CAR POD! EP116

> Source: [The New BMW M, New GM Trucks & The Stradman's Lamborghini Catches Fire! THIS CAR POD! EP116](https://youtube.com/watch?v=gWyjyPE1few)

## Summary

This episode of THIS CAR POD! covers a wide range of automotive news, from Jeremy Clarkson's cancer diagnosis to BMW's new M concept and GM's refreshed pickup trucks. The hosts also discuss the viral video of Stradman's Lamborghini catching fire and share market insights on affordable enthusiast cars.

### Key Points

- **Jeremy Clarkson's Cancer News** [0:17] — Jeremy Clarkson has been diagnosed with an aggressive but caught early form of prostate cancer. The hosts express sadness and emphasize the importance of early detection, with Nick sharing his father's similar experience.
- **BMW Neue Klasse M Concept** [3:05] — BMW unveiled the M version of the Neue Klasse concept, an electric car with design cues from the E30 M3. They confirmed the next M3 will not be a hybrid, likely a response to the M5's weight criticism.
- **GM's New Pickup Trucks** [7:00] — Chevrolet and GMC revealed redesigned pickups with new powertrains including 5.7L and 6.6L V8s. The ZR2 off-road trim aims to compete with the Ford Raptor R at a lower price.
- **Porsche 911 Electric Decision** [15:42] — Porsche stated the next-generation 911 will not have a fully electric version, but a hybrid is likely. They also added simulated shifting to the Taycan facelift, reversing an earlier stance.
- **Lamborghini Temerario Spider** [19:02] — Lamborghini is testing the Temerario Spider at the Nürburgring. It will be a hardtop convertible, and the hosts discuss the trend of convertibles being less desirable than coupes in this segment.
- **Audi A6 Allroad** [25:54] — Audi revealed the new A6 Allroad for the US, a lifted wagon with likely a 2.0L four-cylinder engine. The hosts compare it to the Mercedes E-Class wagon.
- **Mercedes AMG Expansion** [29:15] — Mercedes-Benz announced 27 new AMG models over 36 months, reducing engine variants from 10 to 4. This is a response to BMW M's sales growth.
- **Stradman's Gallardo Fire** [41:24] — YouTuber Stradman's Lamborghini Gallardo caught fire due to a power steering fluid leak. He filmed the entire incident, which went viral. The car may be beyond repair.
- **Lewis Hamilton Wins for Ferrari** [37:01] — Lewis Hamilton won the Spanish Grand Prix, his first race win for Ferrari. The hosts discuss Ferrari's racing strategy and the trade-off between road car and F1 success.
- **Sub-$10K Market Report** [51:07] — The market report highlights several sub-$10,000 enthusiast cars sold on Cars and Bids, including a Focus ST ($4,700), Audi S6 V10 ($7,400), and Mazdaspeed Protege ($4,600).

## Transcript

Hello and welcome to this car pod.
>> I'm Nick.
>> I'm Doug and we start this week with
some sad news. Cannon, did you hear?
>> I did. I heard that Jeremy Clarkson's
been diagnosed with an aggressive but
caught early form of prostate cancer.
Which is
>> Yeah.
>> really scary and sad. He's 66. So it's
I'm very glad they caught it at least
but you know, it it really makes things
very real
and it's it's it's incredibly sad news
and you know, it
it's devastating.
>> Yeah, no, it's tough.
Who knows what'll come of it. I bet he
knows more than he's saying. Obviously,
he's known for a little while
but it's hard to know exactly how it's
going to shake down. He's obviously an
idol of anybody in our generation who's
into cars
and it's just a reminder that you know,
life can be fleeting.
>> Right and fragile. But yeah, it's
you know, I don't want to say that's all
doom and gloom just yet. He's still
still around but like you know,
to your point. Nick of course does not
know who Jeremy Clarkson is cuz he never
watched Top Gear. So for Nick, you can
just take a nap here. But he really
you know, he
he really was the the bombastic voice of
entertainment in the automotive industry
and what they created he and Andy Wilman
and obviously Richard and James like
I can't believe you haven't gone back
and watched more of it because it is it
is truly not only like for cars. It is
such an entertaining show and like it
it's I hope maybe this will be the
trigger. Yeah, it changed all of our
lives truly.
>> Nothing in history will ever have
changed my life more. I mean, it's it's
in terms of content. Um Anyway, he's not
dead. We're not eulogizing him but it's
obviously a big deal. It's sad news in
the car community. We just found out
about it yesterday. He kind of publicly
announced it sort of
um
in a bit of a very Clarkson way. Not not
with some big flashy announcement but
um
and and we'll we wish him the best and
we hope to hear more.
And Nick, maybe this can be your sign to
go and watch a little top gear.
>> I I have gone back and watched some
since since coming out a year or two ago
that I hadn't I did not grow up watching
it.
I would say that my my father is not
only an oncologist, but also has
prostate cancer as well. Get your PSA
levels checked starting at like age 40.
It happens younger and younger and the
earlier you catch it, the better. So, in
a serious note,
it is not preventable, but the earlier
you detect it, the better. And I do hope
sincerely that they caught it early
enough that it is treatable through
radiation and so on. My dad
>> We wish him the best as well.
>> was caught early enough that they
basically he's now in remission and it's
just totally livable. So, a lot of times
it is not as serious. The fact that they
said it was aggressive does scare me a
bit but
I sincerely hope he's going to be okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's good
advice. We wish him the best. We we hope
for a good outcome. Bit of a somber
start to the pod, but there is our next
story, a more positive note for we have
here. Some sort of BMW.
>> [laughter]
>> Well, I don't know what this this is.
>> It is only uphill from here. This is the
new BMW new class concept.
>> Neuer class.
>> [laughter]
>> Please the German in the group. Go
ahead.
>> It's the Neuer class. Yeah, you have to
pronounce it correctly.
>> Okay.
>> What what is going on with this? It's
electric. It looks like an E30 M3 a
little bit.
>> Exactly. [snorts] It is a new design
study for the upcoming BMW
new revised front fascia. They actually
teased this a couple months ago which we
did cover, but now it is official. BMW
is putting this out there and
indicating this will be the next. They
also indicated the next M3 will not be a
hybrid. So, good news BMW fans, you can
rejoice and or let out a sigh of relief
that BMW is not going to screw things up
again.
>> That's nice.
>> But so, explain this to me. Like this
this was an specifically an M concept
car. They had they had teased the
regular Neue Klasse
version as a concept car a few months
ago or maybe a year, and this is an M
version, which is cool.
They're saying the next M won't be
electric. So, are they Is the plan to
split it? Have they announced anything?
Is that what we're just what we're
thinking?
>> My understanding was that they planned
to split it, that there would be
electric and gasoline versions. Um my
understanding also is this is kind of
hints what the next M3 is going to look
like, which if that is the case
But I I like it. I I really like the
design elements of this. I think that
this is a lot more the kind of car BMW
should be making. I love that the big
grills are are different. This is much
more palatable
>> [laughter]
>> than what the the F the uh the G80 M3.
But I think it looks really good. And
this is honestly the first time in a
while that I felt like a BMW concept
comes out and I'm like, "You know what?
I'm I'm into this. I'm I'm here for it."
I These little
>> But the new 5 Series looks good.
>> The new The new The new 5 is fine. I
don't you know, I'm not fawning over it.
I think it's okay. It's It's better than
a lot of other cars they've rolled out
with. I know you vehemently disagree,
but like it's fine. Like it's a car. It
It looks fine. I'm I'm cool with it. But
this is exciting, and I I think if this
is what the next M3 looks like, I think
a lot of people are going to be actually
very into
>> going to be hot.
>> Yeah, and I think this will be very good
for BMW.
>> it's it's this is an electric car. So,
it seems to me that if they're saying
the next M3 won't be a hybrid, there's
also an implication that it that it
there's going to be a gas version and an
electric version, maybe.
>> I think that's probably what's going to
happen. And right now it is kind of
hearsay. We'll see what actually future
actually holds for it, but
>> It is interesting. Them them confirming
that it won't be a hybrid, I wonder if
that's direct response to the pushback
on the curb weight of the M5. There was
such an enormous pushback because they
had made it a gas car and have a hybrid
electric powertrain. And there's real
advantages to that. Like real advantages
to that. You can still have a engine
with a noise, where at the same time you
get extra power from electric. And
basically everybody has gone down that
road and Ferrari with the SF90 and the
Temerario and all these cars but the
drawback is all of those cars are porky.
>> Exactly.
>> They are they are big
cars and and I wonder if BMW is just
they don't want to go down that road.
>> Well, the M3 should not be porky. An M5
can kind of get away with it because
it's more built for highway like
cruising and like going fast in a
straight line. More of the kind of an
American approach to speed. But the M3
has always been about balance and
precision and handling and so like
weight just is the antithesis of all of
those things.
So, you know, but nonetheless like as a
design brief
>> If this is what an electric M3 looks
like, I'm here for it and I'm curious to
see what you know, what the numbers are
like for the
>> And from the official website and a
statement from their head of design for
the BMW compact class
new class
>> Neuer
>> Neuer class and BMW M division, this is
a new design language for BMW M
automobiles. So, I it is not meant to be
just this vehicle. I I think this design
language is meant to be spread out
across the M line in the future which
maybe they'll start with the XM.
Um that would be a good one to redesign.
>> No, just kill it. Fire.
>> Just kill it.
>> For sure.
>> [laughter]
>> Um
the next big news story this week was
new pickup trucks from General Motors.
Uh to me this is basically a redesign.
Uh totally new look, totally new
interior, new powertrains.
>> Bigger V8s.
>> Bigger V8s
uh which is pretty crazy. 5.7 and 6.6 L
V8s.
Um the 2.7 turbo four-cylinder is still
sort of the base engine.
Uh this is exciting. Nick, are you
excited as a truck man?
>> I love the competition between the big
three. I don't count Toyota in that but
um
It's it's exciting to see
>> Cuz Toyota wins.
>> [laughter]
>> Some of us like American trucks. I think
it looks great. Again, I'm a Ford guy
but I can get behind the Chevy. Uh the
looks are almost universally across the
inner webs regarded as well, that is
that is like the freshest, nicest
facelift / redesign on the market. Um
it's a such a competitive market that it
it takes a lot to really stay top of
mind and to attract buyers. Like a lot
of the truck buyers are going to buy a
pickup. And so the only really way to
expand your market share is to steal
away from Dodge or Ford. So I think
Chevy redesigning, making it fresh,
making it exciting will get a couple
Ford or Dodge buyers to look their way
and consider it because it's it's all
new and it's exciting. So I I'm I think
it it could be a good move for them at a
good time. And again, keeping the V8s
and everything people like.
>> Keeping the V8s is definitely an
interesting thing. I'm curious, you
know, where in the development cycle
that decision was made as obviously as
Ford has heavily started to rely on
six-cylinder powertrains. This is a this
is an attractive truck. It was
attractive before, relatively
attractive, it's attractive still.
They're really pushing I They sent me
the press release last week and they're
really pushing the the off-road
versions, the Trail Boss, which I think
it's sort of a middling off-roader if
we're honest. But also the ZR2, which is
a pretty more substantial off-roader.
Almost in becoming in the vein of kind
of the Raptor. And I'm interested to see
how that actually
feels and how it actually succeeds.
Obviously, there's new luxury that you
know, all of the trims are new. There's
big new screen in the center.
Um They were they were they were heavily
pushing also the High Country, which is
the luxury version is you know, it has
this and that and all these luxury
features. The thing that also interests
me about this update is that it probably
will will also affect the Suburban and
the Tahoe.
>> Um yep.
>> Which were fairly recently updated
themselves, but it'll be interesting to
see if those vehicles get new
powertrains etc. They you assume they
have to. They all kind of share the same
the same
um architecture and that kind of thing.
>> The the The thing to your point is it's
not quite the Raptor edition, but
uh if you think about it, the the Raptor
R is what you have to buy if you want a
V8 in the Raptor. You're spending well
over $100,000, and it's still only 5.2
L.
So, Chevy can now say, "Hey dude, you
can get a 6.6 L V8 without spending 100
grand and have the majority of the
off-road components you want." It's
starting to get pretty compelling,
especially for those that don't have 100
grand to spend on a off-roader. And and
frankly,
being around those Raptors and Raptor
Rs, they're still not that fast. So,
you're kind of doing it for the sound,
the big burly V8s. Like, maybe this is
actually a decent option for some of
those folks.
>> Yeah. Yeah, they're not going to do it.
There are people who really, really just
damn want a V8, for sure.
>> You you do the Raptor R for the flex,
not for the actual capabilities most of
the time, but I it just this is like a
more rational choice for the majority of
the people who end up buying Raptor and
Raptor Rs.
>> I am curious to see exactly which
powertrains will be in which vehicles,
but even the top-level they haven't
announced horsepower yet. Um so, you
know, it's it's it'll be kind of
interesting to see. But, if you can get
a ZR2 with that new 6.6 L V8, the old
6.2, which was the top engine before, it
was putting out, I think, something like
420 horsepower. So, you got to assume
the new one's going to be at least 450,
um maybe even more given the the it's
just physically larger, and that's what
Raptor makes. So, you're you're kind of
you're kind of in competition there.
That'll be
>> Yeah, that'll be interesting to see. And
and and people have sort of
gone away from the RAM TRX. I'm not even
still sure if they still make it. That's
a six-cylinder as well.
>> kill that off, I believe. The the other
The other announcement is um the base
Silverado work truck gets the Duramax
diesel. So, they're expanding the the
work truck range, too. So, pretty cool
from like basically the the entry-level
all the way to the top dog. I would like
to see a ZR2 Max or ZR2 Plus or what
have you that just takes it up just a
little bit more, but uh I think this is
enough for now.
>> Here's what you do, Nick. I'm going to
tell you what you do. You to get the
ZR2, it's a it's an off-road pickup. You
get the ZR1 and it's a Corvette, right?
You put the ZR1 engine in the ZR2 pickup
and you call it the ZR3.
>> [laughter]
>> I like it.
>> This is something that you guys can
consider.
>> Why why stop there though? Like the like
the Countach, what make it the 3000?
>> ZR3000. Doesn't that sound better?
>> Yeah, I'd pay extra for that.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, I think it does.
>> like a very 1970s
>> [laughter]
>> Would you be at all shocked if they went
that route?
>> Honestly, no.
>> Uh regardless, remains a competitive
truck, very competitive segment. They
have to do a lot to stay competitive and
it looks like they are. Curious to
review these vehicles uh when they will
come out. Uh looks like they're going to
sell at the end of the year. So, they're
not that far away. They're probably
going into production here in the next
90 days or something. So, it'll be I'll
be excited to see it.
>> Also, quick fact check. I'm not sure who
said it, but the RHO is continuing. So,
scratch that from the record.
>> I am sure who said [laughter] it.
>> A lot of people are saying it, but it's
not true.
>> They say RHO is such a great truck and
and
>> I'm so disappointed perpetually that
people don't like it. You know, Ram's
problem with that truck will always have
been that they started with the TRX and
then went backwards. Whereas Ford
started with the Raptor and then went
upwards to the Raptor R. And so, there's
they got a lot of credibility. Whereas
going backwards for the RHO, even though
it's got way more power than a Raptor,
people are still like, "Ah, it's not a
TRX."
>> And the ZR2 has the same issue. It's
basically an RHO competitor of sorts,
but everyone just wants the the volume
dial up to 11. Like they they want the
the flex.
>> Although, when you look at actual
consumers, the the regular Raptor
radically outsells the Raptor R,
radically. I mean, the Raptor R is
incredibly expensive. Um, but the TRX
never really did sell in in particularly
strong numbers relative to how the TRX
used to. I've very only seen a couple of
them on the road. They are just not that
common. Um, I am excited for the the
ZR2, which I'm predicting right here on
this podcast Chevy will do.
>> Call it the 3000. Come
>> Add it to your calendar.
>> All right. So, as I've talked about on
the podcast a bunch of times, about a
year ago my wife's stepfather passed
away after a long battle with cancer,
and we inherited the 1973 Ford F250.
We've done a few things to get it up and
running and to get it finally out here
to California. But now it's time to get
it fully sorted out. To get this truck
in the condition that it deserves to be
in, we're going to hit up AutoZone for
their quality parts that fit and
function like original equipment.
Thankfully, AutoZone has a wide
assortment of parts, everything from
control arms to fuel pumps and
everything in between. And we can go in
store today to get them and really keep
this build moving. So, let's look
around, see what we might need, go to
AutoZone, and get this started. It's an
old truck that sat for years and years
and years. Uh, and it was going to need
more things. It's going to need some
things to keep it reliable, uh, and to
just get it back to the condition it
deserves to be in. For example, most of
the bulbs no longer work. Probably a
good idea to have them. If we're out and
about, I want to make sure that the
truck starts, and so a new battery is a
no-brainer. We'll also want to get new
fluids all around. None of it's that
old. A lot of it got swapped out, but
the truck didn't run for years, and it
seems worth doing just for peace of
mind. There's also a bunch of other
things that I expect that I will need to
get this project in a state that I'm
happy with. It probably want new shocks.
Definitely need a new oil change. I
wouldn't be shocked if we need a new
alternator. I also just realized I don't
think that this tailgate opens right
now. I've made a list. It's quite a long
one. Luckily, I am confident that the
folks at AutoZone can and me get what I
need. So, stay tuned to this CarPod to
see what we start with as we tackle this
project with the help from our friends
at AutoZone. Now, back to the studio.
>> Yep. Next uh news story, please. What
else we got going on?
>> Uh yes.
>> Porsche. More German car news. This is a
Porsche podcast. So, recently an
executive in an interview with Auto
Motor und Sport said that Porsche will
not produce an electric version of the
911. Now, I want to be clear. It was
well, I guess clear in the lack of
clarity that it wasn't [laughter]
He didn't He's not saying It's not clear
if the car will never have an electric
version or if it's just for the
foreseeable future will not have an
electric version. But obviously, since
we've talked a lot about electric
Porsches since you know, it was
announced that the Cayenne and the
Boxster were going to be electric,
there's been a lot of pushback on the
market. They even considered killing the
project altogether. Uh but it went It
went It went out of
>> other way to say that at least it seems
like the next generation 911 will not
There will not be a fully electric
version of it.
>> Now, keep in mind, Porsche has announced
a lot of things that they've walked them
back over the years. Uh remember the
electric Boxster? We're still waiting
for that.
>> [laughter]
>> I I know. I know.
>> Interestingly, it has just come out. I'm
reading a a message that I'm just
getting this this just in uh that that
Porsche is adding uh simulated shifting
to the Taycan for a Taycan facelift,
which by the way is another thing they
said they wouldn't do. Remember when
Porsche was like,
>> We're all for all-out performance, and
that's just a silly gimmick. Well, guess
what? Now they're doing that. I agree I
Obviously, in today's market, they will
not be making an electric 911. That is
very clear to everybody. There was not
really any serious consideration that
they might. It's nice to hear it
confirmed. However, you have to assume
that someday there will be an electric
911. It just won't be the 994.
>> Right. Right. Cuz you have to skip over
the 993. Can't be the 993, you know,
with a dot and yeah. The naming
>> be that. It will be the 994.
>> Yep. So, yeah. I The which
>> I guess I guess makes me happy. I'm I
think that it's kind of
know they realize it's just not the
right move right now. I think it's
inevitable at some point there it will
go that way. Just like not yet. So we
have gasoline engines for a little while
longer.
>> Yep.
Which is nice. Well, hybrids. I mean
that's what they've got now in these
cars. They're all hybrids. That that
that that GTS.
>> I'm fine with it. That that's it's
totally
>> it's it's it's what we have to have.
They're letting us They're going to get
us to electric 911s, but they're doing
it very slowly
so that we can really really get used to
like the concept of it first.
>> Yes, like a tectonic plate. They're just
grinding away just a little
>> [laughter]
>> at a time.
>> Slowly the change will happen.
>> You do got to ease people into the idea.
>> Of course you do. But sports cars are
>> Well, then that was the thing that was
the theory with the Mission E. I mean
this whole thing was going to go like
this. In their minds was going to go
like this. They released the Mission E,
which probably was supposed to come out
last year. And they You have the top of
the market is electric, right? And so
then people are like, "Oh, if the
supercar is electric, then I can have an
electric car in my normal car." And then
that it like it makes it feel cool. I
mean the 918 did that 10 years ago. "Oh,
the supercar is hybrid. Well, then I
don't feel so bad about having a hybrid
Cayenne or a hybrid Panamera or
whatever." Um unfortunately, things
changed, the world changed, the Mission
E was canceled, the Boxster electric was
canceled. This onslaught didn't really
work, and so now they're kind of back to
the drawing board with uh without a lot
of funds to do it. Nick understands.
Nick's been there, you know?
Out of funds.
Out of funds to have fun.
Uh next news story, please.
>> Uh yes, the Lamborghini John Tamarian.
So recently obviously the coupe is now
being delivered to the United States. I
still have don't think I've ever seen a
customer car. Even in Southern
California, like I still haven't seen
one. But even so, they are currently
testing the Spider on the Nurburgring.
There've been lots of spy shots of it
coming out.
I understand my my thing with this is
like, you know, it's like, well, kind of
whoop-de-do. We knew a Spider was going
to come at some point, you know, it it
appears that it's going to be a hardtop
convertible, which is kind of
interesting. Um but
my thing with this is like I kind of
would have liked if they were released
at the same time. Like, it would have
been nice like I understand that one of
like it's exciting enough like they we
still don't have them here. I would have
but you know, we don't
>> [laughter]
>> need like more excitement. We're excited
enough about the car. Like, we saw it 2
years ago at Quail.
>> Yeah.
>> And like we've been like, you know,
bring the thing already. Um so, like
>> Yeah, you'd be surprised though. You'd
be surprised how many people will buy
both. If they come out at the same time,
they won't. But, you'd be surprised how
many people will buy a coupe and then
because they want one of the first and
then a year later the Spider comes out
and they're at the dealer and they're
like, oh, I can still trade in and not
lose money and I can get a Spider. Like,
I'm going to do it. You'd be surprised.
>> Especially if that is a hard top because
then you could kind of make the argument
in your head of, oh, I have the best of
both worlds. Like, I can have the hard
top when I need it.
>> Nick, do you remember when the Gallardo
Spider came out in that sky blue color?
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah, yeah. Blue Cefis, I believe.
>> That was so
cool. Yep.
>> You know, it's funny the Gallardo
Spiders like maybe it's just the
particular execution of the Gallardo,
but like it's never really been as
beloved. Like, that car
the coupes are way more desirable. Like,
a lot of cars the the the Spider / drop
top commands a significant premium. It
seems like
>> that world. Not in that world. Typically
cars of that ilk the the convertible is
less desirable. Ask Kenan about the 355.
But, also 360, the 430, the 458, all
those cars. Like, only the limited ones
the Spider
>> But, do you think a hardtop Well, part
of the problem with the Spider was it
just never looked as good with the roof
down. Like, the car looked better as a
fixed roof hardtop.
>> I think the automakers
Yeah, one of the things I think the auto
makers have figured out is to make this
convertibles look a little less open.
>> Yeah.
>> Like the Gallardo had this roof that
just sort of stopped and it looked
weird. And the the the Huracan Spyder
and the later Ferrari convertibles, they
looked like they had more sort of car
around the roof.
>> Yep.
>> And it like made them look less weird
with the with the roof down.
>> Spyder looks a lot like my Range Rover
convertible. Like it just looks kind of
done as an afterthought rather than done
with intention.
>> And it didn't look that great with the
roof up either. The roof did like more
of an arc than it probably should have.
It wasn't the most attractive car. But
it was a way to enjoy a V10 with the
roof off. And as someone who enjoys a
V10 with the roof off, I got to tell you
>> Right if we push that that roof hasn't
been off in a long time because we
discovered with the roof on it's
actually better. Um but yeah, I know
>> Not to get in and out.
>> Not to well, yeah, but it's about the
driving experience. Once you're in then
you're in. Once you're out then you're
out. Um but I I am curious about this
cuz the the Huracan Spyder one of its
big problems was that the roof robbed a
significant amount of legroom even for
people who normally fit in sports cars
and are smaller. Like it was a lot. So
I'm kind of curious ergonomically how
this feels.
>> a bigger car, so in theory they should
have more space to hide stuff and
fit it in. But yeah, it's a good point.
>> In theory, so yeah, but we'll certainly
see. But nonetheless, it's exciting when
a new Lamborghini comes along.
>> And I can't wait cuz this is just the
tip of the iceberg, right? We're going
to get like the STO version, the STS.
We're like there's going to be so many
cool special editions. These These are
the obvious ones, but just think of
where do we get another lifted one, a
rally version. Do we get a a Stradale,
thank you. Um do we you know, do we get
the STO version with the the with not
the clam shell, but what's the front
clip thing called?
>> Oh, yeah, the yeah, the little pull the
carbon fiber that
>> peels off the front of the car.
>> Yeah.
>> We're going to get all sorts of cool
stuff. So I I can't wait. Let's get the
Spyder out of the way then keep going.
>> a coupe.
>> [laughter]
>> Still have it.
>> I've seen one.
>> I really just drove around?
>> At At Rancho Santa Fe.
>> Oh, okay.
>> But it's not It's not the most engaging
car. I was so disappointed with that
car. I still think about how
disappointed I was. It's just still too
big and too heavy and
uh
It's not what I want.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, luckily the
Huracan exists in a plenty. They're out
there with that great NA V10. So
>> On On a scale of 1 to 10, how rich guy
go fast is it in your book, Doug?
>> Oh, 10.
>> 10. Oh.
>> I mean, what do you think?
>> I think there's worse, but I mean, I
guess I felt that way about the Huracan
and now I look back at the Huracan and
I'm like, man, that V10 sounds good and
they're coming down in value. Like it's
lowered on that rich guy go fast scale
to like
>> But Lamborghinis have always been
[laughter] for
>> I never felt that way as much about
Huracan. I don't know why. I guess
McLaren kind of held that title for a
long time, but man, rich guy go fast,
you know?
>> A rich guy go fast.
>> think McLaren holds the title the title,
personally.
>> I think [laughter] the McLaren 10 is a
9. you know, 897 or something.
>> I'd give it like a 7.
>> All these cars are just not generally
purchased by enthusiasts. They're
purchased by people who want to go fast
and are rich and who don't have an
enormous amount of of
>> You say that, but I I really think about
this. Like, you know, the Michael
Jordan's 550 Maranello, I think it's for
sale right now. And like, he bought that
because that was the fastest, the
highest end thing at the time. He didn't
keep it, to be clear. Like, none of
Like, we look back and think, oh my god,
the cars he had, the Turbo S ones. It's
like, well, no, that was just the
fastest, most expensive car at the time.
And like, that's kind of like the
All the cars that we love have all been
rich guy go fast cars.
Like, the Carrera GT when it came out
was a rich guy go fast car, too. And
people bought that who weren't into cars
as much. I think with a manual, it maybe
is a little bit different.
But like, you know, they become
appreciated by enthusiasts later on. I'm
not saying that necessarily would be the
case with this. Maybe it is, maybe it
isn't. But when it's new, it's like,
yeah, of course it's a rich guy go fast
car. You have to be rich
>> I think there are cars that are not I
think there are cars that are not rich
guy go fast and I think there are cars
that are rich guy
guy fast and I think that that the the
automatic hybrids that towed only their
horsepower and acceleration figures are
rich guy go fast, and I think that
when the car is more challenging, it's a
different situation.
>> Well, yes, part of the challenge in my
view comes from I would rather have an
older car of the same dollar figure and
take on that challenge, but that's
purely in retrospect. That's not apples
to apples on new cars. I
>> I'll give you an example, the T.50.
That's not a rich guy go fast. That is a
car for enthusiasts, and that is known
from day one.
>> I I think that's true of Carrera GT, and
I think that's true of a lot of other
cars.
>> Got another one for you, Rimac Nevera.
Where was that? One to 10?
>> That's
>> That wasn't even Talk about a level of
unsophistication in order to buy that
car. [laughter]
Like, you you Oh, it's going to be cool.
People tell me it's going to be cool.
Like, you just have to have absolutely
no market awareness at all
>> [laughter]
>> in order to buy a Rimac Nevera and then
like talk it up. And there are some
people out there who who did that. All
right, time for our next news story,
please.
>> Um Audi. Must be Nick.
>> Yes.
>> There is a new A6 Allroad. It is not
coming as the base wagon, but we do
continue to get an A6 wagon in the form
of the Allroad. It is 4 in wider. It's a
little lifted. So, basically like your
Mercedes, like we are only getting the
off-road variant.
Um it does not have the 2.7 L twin
turbo but
um there there should be either a 3 L
turbo diesel V6 in Europe. Um and then
America is more likely to get the 2 L
inline four.
>> What is your 2.7 L twin turbo comment?
Are you making a joke about the original
Allroad?
>> man. The the Allroad belongs with the
2.7 L twin turbo.
>> A6 is sold as an Allroad?
>> Like I am.
>> But but So, even that doesn't offer the
2.7 L
>> belongs as an unreliable
twin turbo V6.
>> I do have to say First off, I think that
updated A6
new Allroad is the wagon. I think there
will also be an RS6. I don't think we
will only get the the Audi A6 Avant as
an Allroad. I think we'll get an RS6 at
some point. It's been very successful uh
in the States.
Um I am curious, you know, my my uh I've
had six Mercedes-Benz E-Classes. I've
had every generation of E-Class. I've
had uh I we own a current one, a new
one.
Um
but they ditched the third row, and I'm
very curious if we end up in an
all-road. I think the all-road looks
better. It's chea- a lot cheaper. Um
maybe it's just maybe it's time. They
neither car has a third row now, so
maybe
>> sedan is supposed to start at 65. They
have not announced the pricing on the
all-road, but assume a little higher, so
70s.
>> The current all-road starts
at like 74. Uh this will be 75, 76. But
it's a lot cheaper than the Mercedes.
Um
so that'll be interesting. I don't plan
on replacing my E-Class wagon for a long
long long long time, but at some point,
you know, one day. Yeah. Maybe I walk
away, Cannon. Maybe I say goodbye to my
beloved E-Class.
>> Oh, it's hard to imagine. You're such a
Mercedes guy.
>> I'm such an E-Class guy. So specifically
an E-Class guy.
>> cuz you're down on the G Wagon now.
Yeah.
>> No, no, I I am a Mercedes-Benz guy. I
agree with that. But I've had six
E-Classes. When if you look at my
Mercedes-Benz history, it's like the
that that G Wagon I had one other G
Wagon years ago, and then it's just
E-Classes. It's not even it's I've never
really branched out.
>> [laughter]
>> That is interesting. I mean,
yeah, more power to you. So we know what
we're about.
>> That's right.
>> We know what we're about. We know what
we're about. We've got We love a good
E-Class. Nick's got one now.
>> I drove it to the pod. Had a great time
in it. I uh
>> two right now, and I'll tell you,
they're both great. I haven't seen one
of them, in fact, it's still on the
water, but they're both great.
>> It's still swimming.
>> I'm so excited for the the 210 that
you're getting to to see it and compare
them side by side and just have some
fun. We got to find a wagon team
adventure.
>> You're especially excited for the Supra,
too.
>> Yeah, I'm especially excited for the 210
wagon.
>> The Supra's is to be cool. Don't get me
wrong. I love the Supra. I the money is
is substantial for them. Um I'm excited
to drive one in stock format, assuming
you'll throw me the keys. But the the
wagon to me I'm I'm most excited for
because I could see myself doing that.
>> Uh okay. A6 Allroad pump for that will
be a fantastic experience for everybody,
especially Nick. Show us our next news
story please.
>> [snorts]
>> I hope that's the real real
>> Oh, another angle of the E6 Allroad.
>> Yeah, we'll bring you
>> to Mercedes Mercedes-Benz for you and
Mercedes-Benz guy. Mercedes-Benz has
announced that over the next So the next
36 months, the next 3 years, they're
going to produce over 27 new AMG models,
which is a lot. Now this allegedly comes
because be it they're
You know, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have
always kind of been after one another.
And BMW has continued M has continued to
grow and grow and grow. So like they've
reached their 14th consecutive year of
growth. They sold 213,000 over 213,000
units last year, whereas AMG sold about
145,000 units. So their solution for
this is to throw AMG stuff at more cars.
>> What are we calling a BMW M?
>> That's what I I
It's an actual M car, the WBS VIN.
>> Are you sure?
>> That's That's my understanding.
>> I have a very hard time believing that
they sell more actual M cars than C43s
and GLA45s
or 43s or 35s or whatever, all that base
level stuff. I have a hard time
believing that.
>> According to the data I read, that's
what it said. So I'm not saying it's
like a an M235i. They might be saying
like that that
>> Marketing people going to market.
>> Marketing people going to market. But
nonetheless, Mercedes-Benz is going to
>> 71,000 M cars, 142,000
M Performance cars. So it's two to one,
the M light BS cars, like the X3 M50.
They consider the X3 M50 to be the
top-selling M car.
>> [laughter]
>> That is tough. But you know, be Yeah,
[clears throat] M propaganda, I guess.
But Mercedes-Benz is going to be
releasing a a lot of new cars. So they
said they're going to be releasing their
engines they're going to reduce their
engine variants though from 10 different
variants down to four, which is quite a
reduction. But it kind of makes sense.
>> one, you know.
>> Right, exactly. You're right. 55 guys,
it used to be one. I know what you're
saying. Um but it is you know there are
there are cars that we've been waiting
for like a new new E63. We've been
waiting for that for a while. But they
said they're also there'll be a
the cars that kind of like G63
convertible, a new black series which
we've kind of lightly touched on C53,
GLC 53, so and so forth. And of course
they're coming
>> Yeah, I mean a lot of these are just
variants of you know like they make four
variants of the E-Class, right? The E53,
the E63, the E53 wagon, E63 wagon.
Nonetheless, AMG rocking it. They will
be they will continue to be every time a
new Mercedes-Benz model comes out
there'll be an AMG version. I'm waiting
for an AMG Sprinter, Nick. I imagine you
agree.
>> That would be sick.
By turbo V8
a 65 version of it. A V12 Sprinter.
>> version of that which people do
aftermarket, but yeah I I agree.
>> You looking for a nice high roof?
>> 4x4 squared Sprinter. I mean there's
there's so many possibilities. They did
announce a GLE 63 and GLS 63. Both are
getting the flat plane crank V8 for
2027. So that's two down of the 27. They
owe us 25 more.
>> Right. Plus there could be more than
that they said. So we'll we'll certainly
see. But
I don't know. I'm here for more AMG
products. I like their cars as a former
owner myself. I think they do make
>> That's right.
>> I do I I am you know with the M cars I
still feel like it's a little bit more
driver centered to considering BMW M
still offers a manual transmission in
some few variants, but they still offer
one which is cool. And Mercedes-Benz has
I not offered a manual in a car in a
really long time. So
different perspectives, but you know
nonetheless like I'm happy to see more
AMG stuff around, you know. I think it's
cool.
>> The death of enthusiast cars has been
highly overrated.
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>> Okay, that's the end of our news. Time
for our talk cars segment where we talk
about cars. What have we got to talk
about? Kennan, why don't you start us
off?
>> Well, I'll take it away. So, there's
lots of good news in my world all
around. So, the first thing I want to
say is I just want to thank everybody
who reached out of the launch of my new
thing. I've had over 80 submissions of
cars to me.
Some I'm saying yes to, some I'm saying
some are great fit, some aren't quite
the right fit, just depending on, you
know, where people are and the value
current things. But, it has been
overwhelming the positivity that people
have sent. People have emailed me and
told me that it's a huge inspiration
that I'm doing this and like I I am so
humbled.
I genuinely am. It was not I it was way
better than I was expecting. And I'm I'm
truly truly grateful. So, got a lot of
cars that are coming. I've got a couple
cars that are inbound soon. I'm wrapping
some contracts up on stuff that's coming
like really cool interesting stuff.
There's a Lotus Emira that's going to go
live relatively soon that the
photographer has finished on. I've a
Bentley that's driving
>> Supras?
>> You know, I already did that for you.
You know, I handled that last week. You
know, I think that proved I'm good at
it. You know, good 30 seconds I got one.
He got it delivered. Done, you know?
That's that's
>> Kennan,
Kennan, I'm going to tell you Can I tell
you something else I'm looking for that
you can find for me?
>> Sure.
>> A really clean Evo 8 in a bright color.
>> Ooh, that's interesting. Okay.
>> I'll see what I can do. I mean, you
know, you have two cars you haven't
seen, but sure, I'll add a third to
that. That's why not?
>> Yeah. And I got to go get a Jeep any day
now. I got to go get it when it rains.
I'm going to go get a Jeep. So, that'll
be three three new cars.
>> You're just buying. You're just buying
cars.
>> No, that'll be a lease. That'll be a
lease.
>> Oh, that'll be a lease. Okay.
>> [laughter]
>> That's fair. It was at Rust to Riches on
Nantucket anyway.
>> Prestige Financial will buy that one.
I'm glad to hear that. That's wonderful.
It sounds great. It sounds like things
are moving along. Kennan R, Kennan is
going to be auction representing. Ken,
you want to sell a car? Don't sell it
normally. Sell it with Kennan. That
should be your tagline.
>> I don't think
>> You want to sell a car? Don't sell it
normally. Sell it with Kennan. Nick, you
like that?
>> You don't forget the the R. Kennan R.
>> And Nick likes to keep pointing that out
like I'm a pirate. But but thank you.
Thank you for the Okay, I really
appreciate it, but again, like I'm just
genuinely humbled and and it's it's been
really positive for me. I'm I'm very
happy.
>> the Kennan. People love the Kennan. Why
can't
>> I love the people and I love the
enthusiasm and I definitely love the
cars. But another big piece of of good
news happened in my life this weekend.
Lewis Hamilton won the Spanish Grand
Prix. Finally, Lewis won not only a race
in a a little while in his career. It's
been quite a a dry spell, but a first
actual race, not a sprint race, for
Ferrari and the world rejoiced. I think
everybody was happy about that.
>> You know when when Lewis started
When I don't know anything about Formula
1, don't watch it, had no idea this
happened. But when when Lewis started
last year, I told you that he was too
old and would not be winning. And you
were like, "We'll see."
But I've been I've been right.
>> Well, you know, he did win. So like
there were there was like there
>> [laughter]
>> It only took him 18 months. How's he
doing in the standings? Is he going to
like win the whole thing or I imagine
not.
>> Well, he's he's he's doing quite well.
He's second right now. Isn't that right,
Ryan? Ryan's the other F1 fan here.
>> How's he second if he's only won
one race?
>> Well, it's it's there've been a variety
of winners. Kimi Räikkönen and Lewis
from Mercedes-Benz have been really been
crushing it.
>> Nick and I, let me tell you something.
>> So
the so the the point system is
>> Due to yeah, due to some controversy in
the Middle East, we lost two races and
had to take a sabbatical in the middle
of the season, which was a little
abnormal. So there haven't been as many
races now as there would have otherwise
been, which is part of why this is the
case. But nonetheless,
>> I watch Nick and I watched NASCAR in the
moonshine days and back then you used it
used to be obvious who won. You know
what I mean? It used to be obvious who
was leading in the points. It was the
guy you transported the most moonshine.
Am I right, neck?
>> Yeah, sure.
>> [laughter]
>> Right, exactly.
>> The the the other it just it's so you
know, Ferrari has been known on the F1
side to shoot themselves in the foot
with bad strategy decisions. It's been
like a whole thing.
Uh they maybe got a little bit of a a
help from a a good safety car that he
could pit basically get a free pit stop
and that that helped him win, but it
made me think, okay, they've shifted
their strategy blunders from Formula 1,
they're now kind of doing what they
should be and they moved that over to
the whole Lucha program. So maybe I can
forgive the Lucha if they want to take
all their dumb ideas and funnel it into
EVs, right? Ferrari was founded as a
race team and the cars were just there
to support the race team. So if they
want to start winning F1 again, do
whatever you want with EVs.
>> you hit it on a point Jeremy Clarkson
made this point many years ago. He said
when the road cars are good, they suffer
in Formula 1 and when the Formula 1 car
is good, the road car suffers. So the
road car is going to have a bit of a
tough time with the Lucha and Lewis
Hamilton is winning the race.
>> brought to you by the SF90.
>> [laughter]
>> I'll tell you this, I'm proud of Lewis.
I personally haven't
accepted any Barcelona GP since they
left Montjuic.
The Spanish know what I'm talking about.
Um but I'm happy for uh Lewis and I'm
happy for Ferrari except for all the
tumult in the road car division as you
bring up. And uh I think that I speak
for Cannon when I say that I would
prefer racing success
um to road car success.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, I like the old stuff, so it works
out well for me.
>> It aren't the the the cars were already
built. Now we just want to win.
>> That's right.
>> It's ironic that they care to win
anymore considering they're making this
electric hatchback thing. Like,
[laughter] does anybody get You know
what I mean? Like it doesn't even matter
to the people who are going to be buying
that trash, right?
>> [laughter]
>> Focus on it. Agree more.
>> That's true, but I mean think about it.
The Lucha could have If Ferrari can pull
it off and I I am I really want to see
Lewis win his eighth championship become
the most successful driver in history.
>> Me too.
>> I really I think actually a lot of
people actually do kind of want to see
it love him or hate him.
>> about? What about Schumacher? You don't
want Schumacher to be the most
successful driver in history?
>> tied. They're tied with seven world
championships between them. And Lewis
has been around longer and has racked up
more accolades as as a result.
Um but I mean he still is performing at
a such a high level. [laughter]
Um so
I've I've you know I'm it just made me
really happy. Not only see the Ferrari
on on the top but also like I've never
been a die-hard Lewis Hamilton fan. I'm
happy he races in my my colors now but
like you know I'm really happy for
>> When is the last time Ferrari won an F1
race?
>> Uh Carlos Sainz 2 years ago, right?
Isn't that right? I believe that was uh
yeah it's cuz they won a minute.
>> Oh man, I Google it and it says it
yesterday at the Barcelona Grand Prix.
>> that's right. Don't you forget it,
buddy.
>> the problem with AI. This [laughter] is
the problem with AI.
>> What it's up to date that's right.
>> recognize that I I don't support the
Barcelona Grand Prix since it left
Montjuïc.
>> Okay, uh we want to move on to the other
top cars that was a big deal in Nick's
world. Nick, tell us.
>> Oh my god, the world stopped uh over the
weekend. Everyone stopped what they were
doing.
>> Hamilton. It was bigger than that.
>> Bigger than that.
Uh although a problem Ferrari's had in
the past. We had an Italian car burn to
the ground on TV. So Stradman's OG
Gallardo which started the channel, he
famously like after he quit his job
basically like lived out of this thing.
Um it had gone through a number of
iterations including a big turbo build
that went pretty wrong. It then got a
new motor after that went wrong. He was
just driving it around.
>> Who did the new motor that that
lit up? I I believe it was done by
Royalty Exotics in Vegas. And then the
turbo build was done by that. But
Stradman made it very clear he doesn't
blame any of the people that had touched
it. It had been leaking power steering
fluid and there was a puddle in his
garage. And he was driving it anyways.
He went to I believe Raising Cane's to
go get some takeout for him and his
girlfriend.
Um and when the car caught on fire, he
didn't have a fire extinguisher, so he
used the Coke Zero to try to put it out.
>> And the Ferrari cover that was
>> Yeah, and yeah, he tried to do the
blanket like he tried his best, but the
whole thing is on camera, which is just
unreal. You hear of exotic cars burning
down, maybe you see one, but to have it
on video and then watch him vlog as
these random good Samaritans come with
fire extinguishers to put it out and
then the cops come and then Sophia comes
with a TRX and a flatbed. Like you watch
the whole thing unfold.
>> It is just the wildest 13-minute vlog
I've ever seen.
>> I watched the video. I rarely watch
videos.
>> [laughter]
>> I watched the video and I was thinking
to myself
I am glad that I'm not a vlogger.
Because [laughter] he's sitting there,
the car is burning down and he's like
filming not I don't I don't begrudge him
this. I I just I'm I'm feel bad for him.
He's sitting there like having to film
this whole thing cuz he knows he's going
to need the footage. And I'm like this
is not a moment that I would want to be
sitting there trying to like grab my
phone. Like I would I would want to be
dealing with it in other ways, not on
camera, not showing the world how I'm
think cuz this car's been like integral
to his entire career and his car it's
whole story arc and all that. Um
definitely not what I would want to be
like thinking about while my car is
burning down.
>> Yeah, maybe you've had a couple of cars
catch fire. Like could you imagine you
know, getting the camera and and doing
that whole situation?
>> it's funny having had my fair share of
car troubles, my thought was I would
have let that thing burn to the ground.
Like at some point you don't even want
to try to save it and just say like it's
definitely his most sentimental like
it's definitely not his
fastest car or best car or anything like
that. I'm pretty sure it's his most
sentimental, most like connected to car.
It'd be like the E39 burning down.
>> Yeah, Ken, Ken, tell us tell us take us
through the E39 M5 starts catching on
fire. You make YouTube videos. Do you
get out your camera and start filming it
right there on the roadside?
>> No, I hope that it maintains fine if the
dash cam catches it, but other than
that, no. I like I would just focus on
trying to save the car. I do keep a fire
extinguisher in my car, which I like
this underscores especially with older
cars, even ones that are, you know,
relatively reliable. A, if there's a
problem with it, don't drive it. Just
fix it, especially if it's a flammable
liquid that's ending up on the ground.
Maybe get that fixed before you take it
out to go get Raising Cane's. But the
other thing is that having a fire
extinguisher in your car at all times,
especially if it's older and you when
you really love it,
you know, if if you can catch the fire
while it's small, then it's worth
repairing. But when it gets to this
level like that it's coming out the
intakes and the wheel well, it's like
you've, you know, I it's a big big scary
thing.
>> a car mounted on the wall. It's it's
currently a old Formula 1 or Indy car, I
can't remember which, but all the
comments are like, "Oh, this is your new
wall car." And that would be a cool like
turn into an art piece or something
because
>> you better fix it.
>> already gone through a lot of trouble.
Like I don't I don't resurrecting it at
this point is it's maybe it's maybe too
far gone.
>> you can you can you can do it and it's
going to make for a a good
>> series, whatever happens. And and maybe
he sends it down to our buddy Rich
Rebuilds, who Rich Rebuilds it. That'd
be sick.
He doesn't rebuild poor, am I right?
>> That's right.
>> Tavarish was in the comments as well. So
yeah, there there there are some people
raising their hands. I disagree with you
on the whole vlogging thing. So I as
someone a fellow enthusiast of takeovers
like you and Jason Cammisa, um the the
the problem is that the footage from
those events are never that good, right?
Like either people aren't filming or the
ones that are filming like don't even
know its orientation for the phone and
are just like yelling into it. We got
like production the production quality
of watching the Garrett burn to the
ground is extremely rare to like see it,
feel it, like experience it with him.
Like I truly There was one part where he
kind of like started to choke up and
like was just like so overwhelmed. Like
I just I felt the same roller coaster of
emotions he did.
>> it was great it was interesting to watch
it as a watcher. I just feel for him. I
feel like I'm sad that your life
involves
you have to
your first thought when your beloved car
is burning down is I I'm not going to
you know, instead of running around to
the next door to all the businesses
trying to find a fire extinguisher or
screaming in the street or calling the
fire
my first thought is let's get out the
camera because my audience has to see
this, you know, like I I it's it's it's
it would just be hard. I think that life
lifestyle would be kind of challenging.
>> I I feel that, but I just mostly I just
feel for him and I feel bad. I remember
vividly when he bought this car. It
wasn't that long after I bought my M5.
And you know, it's just like I
understand the sentimentality around it
and it's it's just sad to see a car, you
know, go down like that.
>> You know, when Thomas Edison's
laboratory caught on fire
he was quoted as saying, "Go get your
mother and all her friends. They'll
never see a fire like this again." Like
[laughter] this Stratman did us all a
Thomas Edison here and basically said,
"I'm going to gift the world watching a
Guard to burn to the ground. That is now
off my bucket list and thankfully it's
not my Guard also. Thank you, Stratman."
>> Hop into the comments on this video and
write that as a comment. Go get your
mother and all her friends. You'll never
see a fire like this again.
>> [laughter]
>> Yep. Yep. Yep. That's that that quote
works a lot of different levels, I
think.
>> Thomas Edison quote. Not what I was ex-
not what I was really
>> [laughter]
>> not what I was expecting to
>> You want to talk TTRS? I see there's
some TTRS activity. For for those of you
long-time viewer not who haven't been a
long-time viewer, long-time viewers know
about it. Now, Nick is
uh
well-known in the Audi community because
he money shifted to TTRS and blew the
motor years ago. And now it looks like
he's thinking about getting a new one.
Nick, tell us tell us about that.
>> A buddy of mine called me over the
weekend at the dealership floor. He's
like champing at the bit. Like, "Should
I buy this?" And I I told him to slow
his brakes. Like the the price they're
asking for wasn't that good. And I got
there's one on Cars and Bids.
Um and so I went to go look at it for
him because it happens to be local in
Encinitas, California. Owned by a
professional snowboarder. A dude who I
like was super stoked to meet. So, I'm
like, I will go look at it for you. It
is the next generation, so automatic
only, which means I cannot money shift
it.
>> It'd be great. Like I I think that that
that's in Okay, continue.
>> Yes, it's full circle. It's modded, much
like mine was. It has HREs, the MSS
lowering springs. But, I told my buddy,
cuz he doesn't want the mods, I will
own it for you for a bit. I will reverse
mod it for you. I then I will ship it to
you in Chicago, however you like. So,
I'm trying to finagle a deal in which my
buddy pays for the TTRS, and I get to
drive it and enjoy it for like a summer
as an automatic, and I can non-money
shift a DSG TTRS that is tuned and
modded.
>> Doug, you wouldn't take this one?
>> going to say is
>> Genius. I know. Go get your mother and
all her friends.
>> of how Nick is Kramer. I'm going to All
I'm going to say is
um
I think that it would be If you're going
to get back into the TTRS community, I
think it would be good to do it with an
automatic, much like your SLR. I think
that
um
that's the best way forward for you with
sports cars. Let me just I'm just going
to That's diplomatic. I'm just going to
say that. That's the best way forward
with you for performance cars,
automatics.
>> Yeah, well, that's what you say. Um as a
person who's manually converted two
cars, I don't necessarily think that is
correct, but sure. There I I I accept
the old transmission.
>> you you manually converted two cars, and
you engine converted your TTRS after
money shifting.
>> So, you've actually
>> You've done a lot of great work.
>> same engine. We just enhanced it. We we
put in some sleeves and
ARP [snorts] hardware and so on.
>> And and and and a lockout or two.
>> It it
>> [laughter]
>> Truly never happened. It truly never
happened. You can continue to insist
that I money shifted it. I am a
professional driver on a closed course,
so
>> [laughter]
>> disagree.
>> It never happened, but but by God, I'm
trying to get the automatic version now.
>> I just would be so excited to have
another TTRS. It sounds so cool. And
it's fun when you can I know you all did
that like big event at Velocity or what
have you, but like it it's cool when the
sellers are like, "Yeah, come check it
out." And then we just like chatted at
the parking lot at Panikin Coffee for
like an hour about Audis and RS6s and
TTRSs and R8s. And we knew a lot of the
same people. So, it was like a a fun way
for me to meet one of my heroes cuz I
grew up obsessed with snowboarding. But
like under the premise of like car
stuff. So, I I had just like a fantastic
time.
>> to pursue this car? Is this actually
going to happen where you where you have
the car and you have
>> ends tomorrow before this goes So, on
Thursday before this goes live. So, if
my my friend Ted uh wins it, then then
we'll have to post and say that. I'm
going to let him bid under his username
cuz I'm too affiliated with Cars and
Bids and all that.
Um but I I I adore this car and I'm
really hoping come Friday I {slash} we
have a TTRS in our garage.
>> Fingers crossed.
>> we, baby.
>> I {slash} we.
>> Uh yeah, I think it's I think it's the
right I think it's I think it's the
right TTRS for you, obviously, also.
Um
>> [laughter]
>> You You mean that as an insult, but I I
agree this is the right TTRS for me. I'm
excited for it.
>> Time to move on to the market report,
which of course is brought to you by
Cars and Bids, the reason that we're all
here. Cars and Bids. Um
I want to talk about under $10,000 cars.
We had a few great sub-10K cars close.
Nick, you watching these sub-10Ks
anymore? Are you Are you Are you bigger
and better than that?
>> Oh, no. I'm I'm all over it.
>> [laughter]
>> Nick, Kennan, type in Focus ST. Let's
start there.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> We had a Focus ST yesterday, today, I
don't know when, sell for 4,700 United
States dollars.
>> That is crazy.
>> 4,700 United States dollars. Now, this
car had problems. It's got a bad Carfax.
It's got old tires. It's got a little
rust, etc. But this is a damn cool car
that sold for 4,700
United States dollars, okay? That's
That's a real thing that happened. And
by the way, this is a low result. The
car had issues, but there are other
Focus STs that are pretty regularly
selling for between 6 and 10 grand. Like
if they're modded, if they're rough,
etc. etc. Okay, so
>> I mean even at slightly higher That is
such a cool car. Like that's a great
daily.
>> As we intend to sell our 2014 Ford Focus
non ST, and I'm hoping to get more money
than that. So [laughter] I
I think I'm going to have to have a chat
with my wife on what the realistic
values are.
>> Okay, so then pull up Then pull up Audi
S6 Kennan.
>> [snorts]
>> Oh, yes.
>> Now, we just sold Nick, we just sold an
S6
>> Oh my god, the V10?
>> V10 S6 for 7,400
United States dollars.
>> go wrong there?
>> 7,400 bucks. 435 horsepower V10. Again,
it had a bad Carfax. It says that the
the right high beam is inop, the TPMS is
in is is is faulty. Again, the tires are
old, but 7,400 dollars. Now, what I
would as a kid, by the way, cars at this
price point had flaws, okay? So that's
still the case. People are going to look
People are going to comment and BE LIKE,
"YEAH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP TO
LISTEN, it's sub 10K, okay? You're
You're not getting a perfect car, all
right? But this is a V10 S6. Now, type
in Protege, the other big sub 10K sale.
This Protege, this Mazda Speed Protege
just sold for 4,600 dollars. Now,
>> Dang.
>> a Mazda Speed Protege doesn't get a lot
of love or excitement. However, this was
the predecessor to the Mazda Speed 3,
which is a car that a lot of enthusiasts
love. It had a turbo engine. There were
There were two special variants of this
Protege. One was called the MP3, which
didn't have more power, but this one
did. It was a turbo four-cylinder,
front-wheel drive, but it's a turbo
four, just like the Focus ST. And it
just had a massive service. It had a
7,000 dollar recent service. New head
gaskets, new camshafts, seals, crank
seals, water pump, timing belt, all this
stuff. Spark plugs. It was a big
service. So this car is ready to roll.
And it was a cool car. I know it's old
and it's got miles and all that, but
it's 4,600 bucks. And I'm reminded
because every time we post some crazy
result of some car with two miles, we
get all these Instagram commenters being
like, "The market is ruined."
And it's like, "Yeah, this STI with two
miles just sold for 150 grand." But
there are still legitimate enthusiast
cars sub 10. They have been hit. They
have problems. They are not as fast as
modern cars. Yes, all of that is true.
There are cars out there though that you
can have fun with sub 10K and they are
on Cars and Bids. Boom.
>> I had two more cars sub 10K on my watch
list that ended this past week.
>> Yeah.
>> A 2002 Lincoln Blackwood.
>> Yes.
>> Reasonable miles, well-presented, 6,600
bucks. Finding a pickup truck, a decent
pickup truck for 6,600 bucks is hard
enough on its own, yet alone like a
full-size with a 5.4 L V8. Like, I'm
into that. Like, at this point you could
use this for your landscaping business
or what have you, and like just be
balling.
>> a landscaper showing up with a
Lincoln Blackwood?
>> You'd absolutely love it.
>> For six grand, you're basically just
buying a super crew F-150. These were
all two-wheel drive, but yes, I totally
agree with your point. Absolutely.
>> And then there was a a Range Rover
actually uh that sold for $3,200. I
mean, top-of-the-line British luxury
vehicle.
>> Okay, well, that's that's not a special.
Range Rovers are always selling for
$3,200 [laughter] and that doesn't
surprise me. This This
>> Uh one day you will see P38s are going
to be the cream of the crop, the most
expensive.
>> buyer probably overpaid. Um however, the
other cars, the other sub 10K cars are
just a reminder. And then [snorts]
people, whenever I talk about cheap
deals in the market, people are like,
"Yeah, but an S6 is going to blow up two
seconds later." Listen, we're sub 10K.
The cars are not going to be great cars.
They're going to be cars that are fun
and you you buy cheap and either you put
money in and make them nice or you roll
the dice. But nonetheless, there are in
good enthusiast cars to be had at
affordable price points on this site and
elsewhere. And every time anything sells
for crazy money, some super low mileage
car, I just want people to remember that
these cars are legitimately out there
and legitimately cool. Period.
>> And that argument that it could blow up
applies to anything, right? You could be
Stradman's Gallardo. There's a stop sale
on Jeeps right Wranglers right now
saying park them outside and don't drive
them cuz they might burn to the ground.
Like this applies to any car. There's an
inherent risk when you buy a vehicle,
especially an internal combustion engine
vehicle, which literally has explosions
every time you turn it on. That it might
blow up.
>> Such is life.
>> Yeah, I mean I I I agree with that
generally. I mean that's certainly what
a used car salesman and an an auction
website would say. Hey, anything could
happen to anybody at any time. Those
cars are obviously higher risk, but
>> Who hasn't blown a motor or trans once
in their life, you know?
>> You're right. Who hasn't money shifted?
I That
That was always true though. Even when I
was a kid, a $10,000 used car was always
a bit of a gamble. Like they were not
the cream of the crop. They were not
nice stuff even back 20 years ago.
Nonetheless, they are there. And if you
have Oh, the car enthusiast market has
passed me by. I can't afford anything.
There's stuff there. There is still
stuff. You may not be able to afford
what you want, but there is still cool
stuff at a at a reasonable price point.
>> The Not only did the S6 have the V10 in
that area, the S8 did as well. And those
are also sub 10K gettable, which I mean
just I mean so luxurious.
>> Actually, I mean I think this car is a
Tesla. This is 115,000. I mean like
they're they're relatively I've been
told they're relatively reliable. The
engines are like solid. It's a lot of
the other stuff that is a little bit
more questionable surrounds it, but like
the engine's pretty good. But
>> I wouldn't want to take the gamble if my
was spending my last $7,400
on the car, right?
>> I agree. But it But like, you know, it
if you've got like
there are exceptions you can make
especially if you're an enthusiast who
wants to work on the car and like learn
all this stuff yourself. There are ways
around There are ways to do it. I think
it's cool that there are still cars out
there like this and, you know, I'm I'm
into it.
>> Speaking Speaking of that vehicle,
remember Mitchell Korman, he drove the
Audi R8 to the Arctic Circle uh on
YouTube and it went super viral. He just
did that in a S8 V10. He drove it to
Labrador, which is the most eastern
point of North America, I believe. But
like again, like I think he bought this
car I think he said like well under sub
10. He had to do some work himself on it
and it had some issues along the way,
but again, just like how cool is that? I
love it.
>> Yeah, it's a lot cooler than a lot of
other BS you're buying at that price
point. Anyway, I'm I'm happy that those
cars are still transacting there and and
reminded every time anybody accuses us
of oh you're running up the value on the
STI's by selling super low mile. There's
still good stuff out there. There's
still stuff that sells affordably. It
exists. It exists. You just I think I
think people want to both be picky and
be cheap. And that's just that's never
>> Amen,
>> brother.
>> Right. But that's never been possible.
>> Me and Felipe oh that that's our design
brief.
We came out of womb and our mother said
let them be picky and cheap.
>> [laughter]
>> Oh lord. Uh the other thing is
interesting I thought last week was the
NSX. You see this, Kenan?
>> Yeah, I did see that.
This one.
>> Nick, you into this?
>> For 113 grand, that's what this white
NSX sold for. 22,000 miles on it like uh
That's a lot of performance for 113,000
dollars. That's a really cool car.
>> Yeah, and it's got HR E so Nick would
like it. Nick, you like this thing? 113.
>> I mean I
as the only non-Porsche person on this
podcast, I would take this over a new
911 any day.
>> The only non-Porsche person, Nick, I got
a Supra that you don't even accept
because it's not European enough for
you. You know, it's interesting there's
levels of this, right? There's the
Porsche people, then there's the Euro
snobs. You get You all are those. That's
it. That's what you are. And then
there's Doug floating free with his
elephant.
Land of the plenty with many cars
everywhere including a
Jeep Wrangler.
>> Yeah, when I think Doug DeMuro, I think
man of the people
and and [laughter] budget cars.
>> That's not what I said. I said land of
the plenty.
>> Man pontificates from Nantucket about
his Carrera GT making him not a Porsche
man.
>> No, that's but you're missing my point,
Nick. You
you're doing it willfully because you
are such a deep Euro car snob.
>> I am more likely to be seen in an Acura
than you are, okay? I agree 113 the
opportunity cost of that 113, the other
cars you could buy at that price point,
I don't think it look as compelling as
that. They probably won't be as
reliable. Like that is to me an exotic
car for 113. Even the Gallardo's now you
can barely get for 113 and that's going
to be a terrible ownership experience
compared to this if you're just looking
at driving cars.
>> seem to be bargains. I'm going to let
you in on a little secret. We actually
missed this in the top car segment. I
have a little secret about Nick. Nick is
looking for a new daily driver for his
family.
>> I am.
>> Uh he's looking for a three-row sport
utility vehicle.
And uh I'm going to read a direct quote
that Nick uh said to us.
>> [laughter]
>> No, I didn't. I I get in trouble every
time that this podcast comes up. Please
be careful.
>> Man of the people Nick.
>> Oh, no.
>> He said uh his wife wants a three-row
small three-row. We briefly discussed
the Hyundai Santa Fe which is a
three-row. And my wife said, "I can't go
from a Porsche to a Kia."
>> [laughter]
>> Now, I got a couple problems with that.
First off, this is it's a Hyundai. I
don't even know where this came from.
Second [laughter]
>> They're kind of similar.
>> his wife is the same level of elitists
that Nick is. But then Nick also
ended this very text by saying, "Which I
respect." She can't go from a a Porsche
to a Kia which I respect. [laughter]
Anyway, all the choices that Nick sent
to us were Euro, of course.
Um, and I'm sitting there telling him,
"Get a Sequoia. Get a Sequoia, really
man of the people car." And he he
We're not there. Sequoia's too big.
It's I I I want the 4Runner. They do not
make the 4Runner with a third row and
the hybrid. They do make the 4Runner
with a third row hybrid. It's called the
Sequoia, baby. You want it all? I got
it.
>> Sequoia's too big and obnoxious, much
like you.
No offense. [laughter]
>> You know, there are comments sometimes.
People see us talking in their comments
like, "Do you guys hate each other?" And
I wonder [laughter] if
>> Why do they think that?
>> I wonder to myself like, do people not I
do think there is I'm going to get on a
little generational horse here. Do
people not like
chat? Like they're like it's very clear
to me that it's none of us Not only do
none of us mean the things that we say
to each other, but none of us even
remember once the podcast is over what
we have said to one another.
>> That's true. It's 100% true. It Funny
enough, I have to watch on Friday to
figure out who I need to apologize to
later [laughter] in the day.
The worst part is so I called Shawn
accidentally. I was describing how the
air suspension of my E55 didn't work
well, and what I was trying to describe
is we had six dudes in there, I I
including Shawn in the trunk. And I
accidentally said you're a He was a
larger gentleman, which I I did I just
meant compared to the children that
would be in the back. So I was like,
"Shawn, I'm so sorry. I I listened to
the pod. I said that. I didn't mean it
in the way that it came out." He didn't
reply.
And then I text [laughter] him again
Saturday. I said, "I'm so sorry. Can we
talk?" He he's out to lunch with Cannon
and one other friend, and I wasn't
invited. It was like a mile from my
house. I'm like, "Oh my god, he's
actually mad at me." I text [laughter]
him again, "I'm so sorry." No reply. It
was not till Wednesday that he text me
saying, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I
didn't see this. I meant to reply and
didn't."
>> Also, to be clear, we left Cars and
Coffee, just went right there. It wasn't
like an intentional I love that in your
mind
>> I spent a week thinking that Shawn was
literally giving me the silent treatment
cuz of like a comment that I made
without thinking.
>> Maybe Maybe there is.
Sean, I'm sorry still.
>> On the on the back on the subject of the
Mark Report. And by the way, Nick, I
wish you the best finding a Euro SUV for
your family.
>> You know, the Lincoln Aviator has a
plug-in electric three-row, so we might
consider American still.
And I honestly think the Jeep Grand
Cherokee would be our top candidate if
it weren't for some reliability
concerns, but I know you're going Jeep,
so maybe
>> In other words, he doesn't want to buy
American. That's just something to think
about.
Uh go to the Kennan, go to the 340R.
What did this What were What were you
thinking it would sell for?
>> I have no idea because it's not like
they transact very often, and you talk
about a niche. You really the 340R is so
cool, but you have to [snorts] really
want that driving experience. It don't
have doors. You have to climb and stand
on the seat and get in. It's a whole
thing.
>> pretty easy. It sold for what? 75?
>> for 75 grand, which I think for $75,000,
that is a really special unique driving
experience, and I actually think I think
it's a value, to be honest, but they
just don't transact much cuz there
haven't been many that been imported.
There are only 340 of them. And so like
this I think it's a good benchmark to
start at. And I think, you know, again,
this is a car you have as the fourth
car. This is not a secondary sports car.
You have to have some other stuff I
think, you know, with like a roof.
>> I will say though driving it was the
experience was easier than I expected.
Like it was actually a pretty easy car
to drive. Once you get past all of the
impracticality, like in terms of
steering and and visibility, like it was
a pretty unlike my Countach, which is
like a hard car to get in and I you
know, all that stuff. Like this was
actually a pretty a pretty drivable car.
I was kind of surprised by that. Um do
you know that when I put up my video, a
guy responded in the comments and said,
I have one of the only four 340Rs that
were sold new in North America. Lotus
got some small volume exception and sold
three of these things new in the United
States. You believe that?
>> No, I had no idea.
>> no idea.
>> Really? That is fascinating. Uh I mean,
you talk about a car that could easily
qualify for show or display based on its
rarity and how special it looks.
>> Maybe. I mean, I don't know.
>> I figured, but I think it is cool as
hell. And like, this is another one of
the cars like I've just so excited to
have on the site cuz 348 has been a
legend forever. Um so, I don't know. I
think it is a good result.
>> Nick, you got 75 grand. Would you buy
this or uh a TTRS
with a
manual or automatic transmission?
>> I'm I'm hoping we we get a little better
deal on the TTRS, but
um you can still buy an Ariel Atom 4 and
the MSRP is 83,750. So, in theory, like
like this is going to be probably hold
its value better, is a little bit more
special, unique. I'm sure a new Ariel is
is probably better than this, but
>> It probably is, although I I I agree
with that. It's an interesting point. Uh
however, I would make the argument that
once the once you are roofless,
windowless doorless
the experience
>> [laughter]
>> I'm not saying that this and a Polaris
Slingshot are the same, but I am saying
like
the majority of what your experience is
is related to the fact that you're open,
rather than like the feel of the car, I
think.
>> Plus like things like panel gaps and
like build quality kind of go out the
door when you
>> Even acceleration. Like you're joking,
but like even acceleration. Like is it
faster than an Ariel Atom? No.
Once you're doing fast and you have no
anything,
>> Sure.
>> it doesn't really matter. I drove an
SP1, which is the same also with
completely open car. I drove an Elva,
and it's the same kind of thing, if I'm
honest. And an Elva's like 3 mil.
Same basic idea, to be frank.
>> Yep.
>> wind
>> At that At that point, it's just about
like rarity and how it looks when you
park it. Because your your feel is
roughly the same.
>> [clears throat]
>> I Having seen that car in in Cars and
Bids dungeon for the last couple months.
It It is something to look at, too. Like
it just Yeah. It is so cool and the blue
Alcantara on the inside really pops.
Yeah. Um I I I think even if you didn't
drive it a ton.
>> that they made even less
car You know, that's already in- insane.
But I'm thrilled that we had it,
thrilled that I got to drive it. It's a
very cool car and I'm really glad I got
to do a Quirks and Features video with
it because it's really quirky and weird.
The fact that that panel is like
translucent, I mean the whole thing is
just bizarre.
>> It's so cool. I've just been told the
car's going to the Bay Area. So, if you
live in San Francisco, keep an eye open
for a 348.
>> Lopez? That is the Pacific Northwest.
>> [laughter]
>> Um
They're They're both places he doesn't
need air conditioning. All right. We got
to move on to the questions. The
questions are great this week. I only
got through a few of them cuz they were
so good. I just kind of put them in and
they're great. And a lot of them, Nick,
are really aimed at you. They're real
deep Nick questions. By the way, is
Filippo done? Does he not work for us
anymore? Is he
>> I don't know. He doesn't text us
anymore. He's in Italy. Maybe he got
kidnapped and there's some reason.
>> I mean, am I paying for this trip? He's
gone for months and months and months.
What's going on?
>> you what, without his presence we are
all paying for this trip. I miss him
dearly, so I can't wait for him to come
back. I'm sure he will not listen to
this podcast and, you know, I texted him
the other day, no response. Texted him
again, no response. Maybe I upset him.
Maybe I said something.
>> Maybe Maybe you did. Maybe we all did.
Uh
First question uh for Jacob from GN.
Dear Doug and Play Group, so true.
Uh why aren't modern Aston Martins more
popular? They're beautiful and luxurious
cars with great performance and they
haven't destroyed the image like certain
Italian car makers. He's referring to
Ferrari and the ass luce.
Uh so, why aren't Aston Martins more
popular and worth more on the secondary
market? It's an interesting question. Uh
they've just never been.
>> No, I think part of the brand is strong.
>> The brand is strong, but I think that
one of the things about them people are
always perpetually concerned about is
reliability. But the modern ones with
the AMG engines, it's like
>> But I would argue that a reason that the
modern ones with the AMG engines have
not been particularly strong is
precisely because of that AMG engine.
It's just not It's like I can get an AMG
GT, you know?
>> I think I think it's not even
reliability, it's depreciation.
>> That's the That was my next point is
that like
>> But that's his point. I think his point
is why The question asker is asking why
are those depreciating and other brands
are not? Is what he's saying.
>> the I think Ferrari just has like such
brand cachet. Like it is so
>> Aston Martin Aston Martin have his James
Bond? If you go up to someone on the
street
>> James Bond is
>> and you talk to them about Ferrari or
Aston Martin, they hold them in similar
regard like randoms,
>> True, but like for us car enthusiasts
like they're cool, but Ferraris are like
your heart burns for that car. Like it's
like that's the That was the conclusion.
>> I agree with you completely and I think
that is I think honestly emotional
desire is a is a the primary reason. But
I have to ask you, do you think that now
that they've come out with the Valhalla
and the Valkyrie and the Valour,
do you have Has your opinion changed?
>> I think that it's I respect them
tremendously. I respect them a lot. I
mean, you know, the fact they've gone to
IMSA with an NA V12 and Le Mans with an
NA V12. That's That's just badass. Like
that I respect the hell out of that. And
so like I certainly value the brand
more, but I've always valued the brand
like a lot. Like I plan after the Viper
the next car I want is a Vanquish. An
'05 Vanquish S. That's what I really
want. Cuz I just I'll tell you what,
like I've driven 575 Vanquish
competitors back-to-back. The sound of
the Vanquish, the looks, I I prefer a
lot of aspects of that car to the 575.
575 is a better car and it does say
Ferrari on it, but like the Aston is
great, but I don't know. I value
>> then? What's our Aston Martin problem?
We don't love it
>> definitely reliability, but um yeah, I
don't I just think it's
>> You don't think Ferraris are reliable?
Ferrari values are strong even the
really unreliable ones.
>> That's [snorts] a fair point. Um I you
know, I think that
I also wonder if that they I don't know
what production numbers are like between
the two. If it just I There was just
something Look at the months as I'm a
little master making a Ferrari feel
special in that era we grew up in.
>> I think that when you that there's
definitely a heritage component. There's
definitely an emotional brand component.
I also think that when you target luxury
more than passion, luxury cars always
depreciate and passion cars rarely
depreciate as much. Um but I do think
that Aston Martin is unfairly
uh unfairly targeted in the car world. I
think that their cars deserve to have
stronger, especially cuz they still do a
lot of manual cars. They still do a lot
of actually pretty desirable enthusiast
cars. I do think that a attainable
mid-engine manual transmission car, an
Audi R8 of the Aston Martin world, would
really go a long way towards getting a
lot of people interested in the a lot of
real enthusiasts interested in the
brand. And my sense is that they wanted
to do that with both Valhalla and
Valkyrie, and those cars both came in at
a way too unattainable price point. And
I think that if if I think that Aston
maybe could have some effect on really
getting into the sink your teeth into
the enthusiast world while Porsche's off
making automatic hybrids that you can't
access the engine bay, and Ferrari's
doing this the Luce, which is the worst
thing ever. Aston maybe could go out and
do that. And I wonder if if that's an
opportunity that they should seize.
>> Now's the time, Lawrence Stroll. Make it
happen. This this is it.
Um well, I I would personally love the
brand. I hope to own There are a couple
of Astons on my list I'd really like to
own. You want to repeat?
>> Yeah, but because they've depreciated
heavily and are just hard to say no to.
Yeah, and and in the whole Ferrari
theory if if the road cars are good, the
race cars stink and vice versa. I think
Aston DNF'd or were last and second to
last in the
previous couple races, so
they've got some hope. The road cars are
improving.
>> Formula 1 over at Aston Martin?
>> Yeah, it's it's tough. It's
>> It's a tough situation, yeah. Adrian
Newey not happy, it sounds like over
there. so.
>> Yeah, it's bleak.
>> I I now I think I think that
appreciation thing is a hangover from
the reliability of of previous cars and
then I think it's you get rich, you buy
a Ferrari or a Lambo. Like those are the
two. So, this has to be like the fourth
or fifth exotic car that you get before
you kind of like checked the boxes that
the rich guy go fast boxes.
>> I was going to
>> And I think that that holds them back a
ton where it's like, okay, that the
buyer pool of Aston's is really small
where they're like tired of Ferrari's
>> also is that Aston doesn't really want
to go after the like really crazy fast
exotic like that. I don't think they
think they can play there. I think they
think their space is the luxury exotic
and by doing that you're sort of opening
yourself up to that appreciation.
>> latest projects, I think they're wrong.
I think they could compete in that space
and I think it would be pretty
compelling. But, I will say when you
look at Aston Martin on cars and bids,
it is a sea of gray and
black it's it's luxury cars.
But, when you look at Ferrari, it is a
sea of red exciting sports cars.
>> There are some black and silver ones in
there, too. But, like
that the color palette alone tells you a
lot like between you know, about like
lighting your heart on fire.
>> Your median price on that Aston Martin
one is like 38 grand, too.
>> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Which again, the new cars you look at
the values of the used cars and you say,
oh, these cars don't hold their value
and it becomes a self-fulfilling
prophecy. But, um I I think if Aston
Martin just stays in the game, they have
a shot, too, because Jaguar's falling
out. Like a couple of these brands go
away and they have less competition.
That's the other problem.
>> Even in if you want a British sports
car, all right, you've got Lotus, you've
got McLaren, you've got had Jaguar. Like
there there are plenty of options and I
think if they were the only British
sports car, that might give them some
traction and they could really lean into
the whole James Bond thing or what have
you. But, I I think McLaren having their
moment kind of took away the opportunity
Aston had to be sort of the preeminent
rich guy go fast out of out of Great
Britain. And I think they don't want it.
I think they want to be seen as more of
a classy, luxurious, well-styled
situation.
Um but it has been interesting watching
them come with these super high-end
exotics and
>> I love them.
>> Yeah, same. Uh next question from Felipe
Lotus. I see you guys like to sell your
cars on Cars and Bids. We've all sold
cars on Cars and Bids, but other than
Felipe buying a GTI, you seem to find
and purchase cars elsewhere. Should we
get the impression it's great to sell on
your site, but as a buyer it's best to
look elsewhere or for a deal? Um
If Nick bought a car on Cars and Bids
And apparently tomorrow he's going to
buy a TTRS.
>> I've I've bid on a lot.
>> I've Yeah, I've bid on I've bid on cars
too that I genuinely went after and
wanted. So it's
>> I would argue though that it's not
because we think it's a bad place to
find a deal or a good car, whatever.
It's more that we're very particular. I
I
I would love to buy a car on Cars and
Bids. You know, I went out looking for a
Supra. I wanted a red manual. You can't
find that It's very uncommon to find the
kind of stuff that we have started
looking for basically anywhere. I mean,
even Cannon with the Viper, he is pretty
specific, right? There's a couple model
years, no modifications, certain color,
etc., etc. If you wait around If you If
you are that specific, you it can be a
while before a car like that comes up on
Cars and Bids. And I find us to be a
relatively impatient lot. And I also
find us to be a lot that's willing to
kind of change tack based on Nick
especially, if if the wind blows a
different way, hey, maybe there's a
convertible Range Rover I can get, you
know. [snorts]
>> Well, I I think I
I
Not as a flex here, but
for better or worse, we are now at a
stage where cars tend to find us because
of the podcast and other things. And so
if you can get a a non-publicly
transacted car that's really rare and
you don't have to compete against others
and someone just like, "Hey, I'm trying
to like" Literally someone emailed me
this week saying, "If you want to give
up on your P38, I have a a G500 I will
sell to you cheap." And it's like, yeah,
if it if it went on Cars and Bids, he
would get more money. If I If I I get a
pocket deal here, like maybe that is
like, "Yeah, I'm not." No, is what I
told him, but like if cars find you, it
it's kind of a nice thing to do.
>> Nick, take that deal. You get out of
your P38, which is trash, and you get
into a G, which is great. They're great
cars.
>> But it's so great that Doug is going to
get rid of his and never touch a G
again, and it's the worst thing that's
ever happened, and the tirade he went on
the other day in our friend chat was
rough. So, definitely get one of those.
Shawn couldn't handle it, he couldn't
handle it. Surely you can.
>> My P38 now has a glove box.
Um, it's it's pretty sorted.
>> Luxury.
>> What's sad about my G, Cammie, is that
it's the last car that I is a holdover
from before the Cars and Bids era.
>> Uh-huh.
>> I Ford GT The Ford GT is, you know,
>> And so, if the G goes, there will just
be that one car left.
>> And the Ford GT, if the right heritage
comes along, is not looking good for
that one, either, so
>> I Yeah, I really want a heritage now.
I'm off white, I want a heritage. I'm
not going to spend for it.
>> I'm not that kind.
>> See, the other corollary here is you all
have a rule that you can't bid on a car
on Cars and Bids unless it's no reserve,
which does limit it, because not
everyone runs no reserve. Cammie and I
are now able to do whatever we want and
go willy-nilly, but Doug, you you
especially have to be careful on bidding
on things, because seeing your username
on an auction could sway the results.
So, you got to like
>> Yeah, I don't like to bid I don't like
to bid
because
for that reason. I don't want and I
don't want the seller then to be upset.
I think that sometimes if people saw
that they were bidding against me,
either for financial reasons or because
it's like the guy who owns the site, I'm
going to defer to him, people might
bail, and I don't want the seller then
to be like, "Hey, you tanked my auction
because you bid, and people didn't want
to participate." And I don't even
necessarily think that would be true,
but I do think that's an argument that
sellers could make, and it could be a
real possibility. And so,
I would prefer generally prefer not to
buy on Cars and Bids if I can avoid it.
I will say, there are some cars that
have come up recently that I've been
like,
I'm I'm
going to throw it all
Forget it all. I'm going to do it.
But I definitely don't want to be
accused of meddling with the process and
I think that that could be a legitimate
accusation someone could throw against
me if I'm bidding with my username for
sure.
>> I had that happen with a Z4 M Coupe I
was bidding on on Hawaii. Actually you
encouraged me to bid on and I started
bidding on that car someone that was
exactly what someone said they're like
wait a minute. They said they realized
like oh well he works for the site like
I probably kick it and then they're like
wait a minute. I'm just going to keep
bidding and so the guy came back and he
commented this and like then he just
came back and kept bidding and that was
the guy who ended up winning the car. It
just went a little higher than I I
wanted to but
you're exact all the points you guys hit
on are correct.
>> Personally I think both of you are
operating in an abundance of caution
there. The more bidders the better if I
were the seller but I respect that you
guys have rules and boundaries and like
want to avoid even the appearance of
foul play. I think that's the right move
but like personally if I ever run a car
with an reserve you're welcome to bid on
it Doug.
>> I appreciate that that's beautiful.
>> want the cars that Nick will have to
offer.
>> I do. I want cars that
I want cars that were lesser versions of
cars that I myself did previously own.
>> Nick you should get a G Wagon for that
reason. Go down my road again. Come on.
>> Yeah big words from someone who just
bought a 210 E55 Wagon.
>> Nick you think about leasing a Wrangler
too? You think about leasing a
>> would get a Grand Cherokee for my E.
They don't sell that anymore. All right
next question from JB.
>> [laughter]
>> Someone wants to place an order. Oh it's
open again. Here we go.
>> From JB1016.
You Doug can you talk about your
feelings toward Volkswagen? It's a brand
with a huge enthusiast following but
you've only had one. I had a Mark 5 GTI
and you can't seem to hide your contempt
like calling a Volkswagen guy.
I want to [snorts] be clear about this.
I do not love
I I don't love when an enthusiast is
into to brand.
If any brand,
it's not my thing. I joke about our
friend group, which is funny because we
have incredibly diverse car tastes, but
it's still not diverse enough for me.
Like I like I like SUVs, pickup trucks,
cars, sports cars, sedans, wagons,
luxury. I like everything. And I do not
identify well with people who are
enthusiasts of one brand. And um
Kamisa's Kamisa's got he's to say some
Volkswagens and BMWs. That's I mean, I
don't care. It's not like he can he
should change cuz I told him to. I just
for me personally, I like a a good
variety of person. So Volkswagen guy is
a derisive term for Kamisa, but if it
was Honda, then I would say he's a Honda
guy. You know, like I it's just not I
just really believe that like a a true
my my love of cars is like deep and pure
and all-encompassing in a way that I I
just don't get when people are singular
brand people. That's that's that's my
answer to that.
>> I think I mean, yeah. Cuz I think the
thing you you discount from that is if
they grew up with a car, that's what
they love, that's what they know, and so
they've gotten deeper into that, and I
respect that a lot. And honestly, also
like to be people may not have the
capacity you have to memorize every
detail about every single car that's
ever been built and like all like they
they're just like there are things that,
you know, either suit their needs or
suit their tastes, and like I think
that's fine.
>> Well, yeah, but having 12 of the it's
fine. Yeah, but having 12 of the I'm not
wanting to move on. I just to it's not
my thing, and it's not what And so I'm
always going to whenever I have the
whenever I meet someone or know someone
who's who's had 10 of the something, I I
I always am whenever they talk to me,
I'm always taking a little bit of a
have that bias in my mind. This person
is talking as someone who is into this
type of car, and I am not into any type
of car.
Um
By the way, I grew up with a Mazda
Tribute.
>> Right.
>> Congratulations.
>> Congratulations.
>> Three later.
>> Yes. Yes.
I just I you know
>> It's not a Volkswagen. Just just for
your awareness.
>> Well, he was talking about cars people
grew up with. What about the Ford Escape
twin? What if you grew up with a Tribute
Mariner
or
Escape?
>> We I grew up with a first-gen first
model year VW Touareg. Fantastic
vehicle.
Dealer might have bought it back with 18
months later, but
>> [laughter]
>> it was lovely when it worked.
Um I you know, I I made the mistake of
doing that. I think
I I was really into Audis. They become
familiar. And then you like kind of you
become part of like the guy is part of
an Audi group. And then like all my
friends had Audis. And like I see how
you fall into that trap where you're
just sort of like I'm going to stay with
the four rings. And and honestly, they
were all great cars.
>> you got the scan tools. You you like you
you are you
>> VAG-COM tool alone was like just I I
knew how to do all the mods. Like it was
great. And and that does build some
loyalty, much like flying an airline, I
suppose. But I am really happy now that
I've experienced more variety. And and
sure, I will put an American car or a
Japanese car on that list. Um if
anything, just to try it. And if I don't
like it, fine. I'll sell it.
>> He's not going to do that, folks.
>> No. He's going to buy another P38 Range
Rover.
>> Yes.
>> Uh next question from This is a good
question actually to ask with Filippo
not here from Saab 95 or Saab 95.
Uh Duder, what is the consensus on
owning a Saab a Saab these days? Are
they cool and unique or are they just a
weird brand for eccentric people? It's
an interesting question. There was a
long time where they were cool and
unique and kind of fun and quirky and
but they've gotten so old now that it's
gotten harder to like
do it.
>> What's
to me, I respect even more. It means you
really love and like
>> extent, but like I do think it has also
sussed out some of the quirky people who
would have had them, you know, like when
they weren't like like they always had
this reputation being architects and
designers drove Saabs. Now you have to
be like a pretty legit like finding your
own parts on eBay type of dude to make
it work. And I still think it's cool. I
still think they're special cars, but it
definitely it's definitely become much
more of a niche than it was. When I was
a kid,
Saabs were a different just another
luxury brand like Audi. It's definitely
gone in a different direction since
they're they haven't existed in 15
years.
>> Man, it's been that long.
>> You ever think about a Saab, Nick?
>> Nope.
I It is a deep Filippo car though. I
mean like what you're describing,
slightly contrarian, wants a deal
>> Slightly.
>> It it it it
>> [laughter]
>> it fits a certain type of person now and
and then I don't think it's just sports
car buyer. It's someone trying to make a
a statement almost.
>> [snorts]
>> Uh next question, this one is for you,
Nick, from Kelly Ace. Hello Doug and the
gang, it seems several of you are in
need of a new daily driver. Seeing as
some of the more interesting electric
cars have fallen into a more intriguing
price point, is there a chance someone
on the team will go electric? Nick, what
about that? You're looking for a new
family car. Uh have you thought about a
used electric car at a good price?
>> I I have.
Um
And and I I still love that idea. I'm
not sure if my wife's on board. Um the
ID Buzz is up there again cuz I'm
looking for a people mover.
>> Get a nice Euro car, why not?
>> A Cross Turismo. Yes, a Euro car, of
course.
Uh what else did we look at? R1S. Um I'm
still really into. You know, honestly,
the Model X, as much as I'm not
I hate those doors, but they're cheap,
man. They are so cheap for just like a
drop the kids off, but it's got to have
three rows. Three row pure EVs is not a
terribly popular or large segment, but I
I think the R1S would be the top of my
list. They haven't really depreciated as
much as some of the others, and the ID
Buzz is still too new. Like someone
claimed that you could get them for like
30 or 40. I I can't find those. I can't
replicate that.
>> You have You can do it, but it's like a
base base base base model that you
probably don't want.
>> So [clears throat] I
>> want You want multicolor.
>> We're almost there like if I if I were
okay with the sedan, it would be the
Audi RS e-tron.
Um you can get those dirt cheap. They
look amazing. It would be a great
commuter.
>> Those are great Euro car choices. Uh
Kennen, have you ever thought about
going [laughter] electric?
>> Uh yeah, one of the electric cars that
like really appealing is the Audi RS GT
e-tron is or however it's
>> I've heard of those. I've heard someone
else recently tell me that those are
desirable and appealing cars.
>> [laughter]
>> I think it is. I think it's one of the
most attractive four-door
>> He pulled He pulled a Nick and tuned out
while I was talking and didn't know what
you were saying.
>> But that's like that for me is like
>> Am I a woman? Are you going to take my
ideas and claim them as your own now?
>> Oh my god. All right, Nick. But no, I
genuinely think that's like one of the
only cars I can think of EVs that I'd
actually like genuinely want to own.
>> you in an i3 as a daily.
>> So, i3 is another one. The only thing
I'm really concerned about that with
that is insurance because it's a carbon
tub. So, if anything happens with that,
my understanding
>> Well, there's five brands that make
them.
>> You do is you don't insure it.
Um I
>> [laughter]
>> Right. So, I don't know. That would be
cool.
>> I don't know about how you guys feel,
but I was considering getting an Audi
e-tron GT RS. I don't know how it's
supposed to be said.
>> [laughter]
>> I completely tuned out cuz I was trying
to think of any others that I liked and
I it's like I
There aren't that many like I don't
know. I could It will happen one day
when the Rivian R3 comes out. I really
want one of those cuz I like that car a
lot, but it doesn't exist yet.
>> you this, people. I will buy an EV
when Mercedes-Benz makes an E-Class
station wagon electric.
>> Okay.
Yep.
>> I could see you in a the
Escalade IQ. You seem like the kind that
want to flex in the drive pick up
drive-thru.
The kids pick up.
>> You're giving me crap. You're over here
trying to get a Model X with your doors.
>> I'm a man of the people. I would be
getting a Silverado RS work truck
probably.
>> And Nick, real question. If you got that
Model X you're lusting after, would you
get one of those we bought this before
we knew Elon was crazy bumper stickers?
>> 100%. His wife would make him do it.
There's [laughter] no question.
>> I wouldn't I wouldn't get it the doors
alone are a deal killer on it. I'm just
saying there there a deal if you just
want like a SUV commuter.
>> I will only get an electric. I would
have bought an i5 electric wagon by the
way.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I want an electric. Now that we're
having a third kid it's things are a
little bit more challenging but
I will get an electric e-class wagon.
Give me feed me an electric e-class
wagon and I will buy it. The
the the world has learned that the only
way I'll buy cars is if they're
Mercedes-Benz e-classes. So if you want
me to go into the next thing get me an
e-class station wagon.
>> have they have the electric G wagons
come down at all in the used market?
>> No, they have not but they will be at
the end of that.
>> Shockingly not that desirable. I wanted
to two more questions. I wanted to two
more questions two more questions. One
is for Westland. It says question for
Doug but this is really a question for
Nick and Cannon. Dear Doug, who do you
if anybody let drive your special cars?
What are your criteria for making
decisions? Does insurance limit anybody
from driving your cars? Nick, have you
ever driven anybody cars?
>> Ford GT.
>> Drove the Ford GT
stalled it out and it's a car which
>> in the world to drive.
>> to both turn the key and push a button
and I kept turning the key and nothing
happened. I didn't see the button.
>> It was
>> So I I stalled out backing into a car
show and then like everyone's staring at
me and I'm just sitting there not able
to turn it on and then I have to roll
down the window and yell Doug, can you
turn the car on please?
>> Then then he opened the door which I
getting into a parking spot. It's just
it was a hard situation for us all to
witness but
>> And [laughter] and I got to drive your
Countach very briefly picking it up from
service for some reason you needed me to
do that instead of
flat betting it or finding something
else. But I wanted the excuse to drive a
Countach. It was a pretty special moment
but those are the only two and oh, I
drove your A-Class.
That was pretty pretty neat.
>> Nice.
>> On a racetrack.
>> Doug doesn't let me drive any of his
cars. I've only driven two. I've driven
the A-Class and the uh E450 all-terrain.
That's it.
>> Really?
>> That's it.
>> I don't I I a lot of people really
>> the responsibility.
>> A lot of people are cool with people
driving their cars. I it makes me a
little bit more nervous. It's hard My
cars are hard to replace.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
and there's some of them are a couple of
them are really expensive. And I think
that that's a real burden you put on
someone. And I think that people are
like, "Oh man, it's so cool you let your
drive your car GT." Well, that's cool
right up until it crashes and then it
ends a friendship. And and more. I mean,
there would there
Can you write a check for that? Can I I
like it it it's it's obviously it's
insured, but like what what what does
that mean? What happens next, you know?
It's a it's an It's not a great scenario
to be in and I just would rather not
have it occur. Um I don't really have
problems.
>> Yeah. I'm pretty generous with lending
my cars out.
>> And Nick takes the opposite approach. He
says, "Yeah, which is fine."
>> let anyone drive my 993 Turbo. Does Does
anyone want to
Guys, do you do you want to drive my
>> I would be down to take a spin and see
how overvalued that car is.
>> [laughter]
>> I've offered that car to several of my
friends and no one seems me particularly
interested in driving the 993.
>> I'm fine I
Well, I love 993s.
>> It's funny I I lent out my SLR to
Braeden the other day. He was like, "Oh,
I want to just take it out to this like
car show." And I'm like, "Sure." And
it's like at this boba place and there's
like He sent me a picture there's like
trance music and like neons and foam not
foam machines, fog machines. And I'm
like, "My god, when you said car show, I
thought something totally different."
>> That's the kind of show Braeden's going
to go to. You got to know that going in.
You What did you think he was going to
take it to like a luxury goods show?
Like Like it's going to be like high-end
swag?
>> I wasn't expecting a concour, but I just
didn't think that like it would be like
the bao buns crowd. Like I just sort of
expected
>> Braeden is our link to a world that we
left behind. That's what you need to
remember.
>> It it was I think it was cool to see it
there cuz it just looks so out of place
on so many levels, but uh uh he had a
good time and then he's like he's very
careful. Like he text me, all right, I'm
there, I'm returning, it's back safely,
and then he wipes it down. Like they he
runs a detailing shop, so I kind of get
a free detail out of it, so it it works
out great, but uh
>> A lead finish off of uh off of uh
Carrera GT
>> And importantly, he he asked for
permission every time and I give it to
him, so like like if your shop is taking
your car against your knowledge, that's
one thing. If you're like, no, I would
love that. He always gives me like
really cool pictures he takes on his
fancy camera. Like I'm pumped on it and
I think it's so cool to let other people
experience the cars.
>> I agree.
>> so much to him and for me it's like
great. I don't care if you put on 3 mi
driving it to a
a boba tea place in Convoy Street.
>> I I have to tell you my
I am legitimately and truly sad that
that my friends do not get to experience
the Carrera GT. I truly believe that the
Carrera GT, how I have it set up, is
probably the greatest driving car that I
have ever driven. I mean that with all
the sincerity in my heart. And it is I I
am sad that that that my friends and and
people that I think really would
appreciate it have like Sam has
mid-engine boxer. I think that would be
cool for him to have that experience. I
think both of you would get a lot out of
it. I really think it is special.
>> Um I don't want it.
>> the purchase is pretty grand.
>> I don't want it. Yeah, it's like I have
also no friends. I've driven Carrera GTs
before, but like not yours that are the
way it is.
>> speed. He's driven it at high
>> No, I obey the laws, of course. Tug, you
what are you going to you're going out
of going beyond the speed limit? Don't
be ridiculous. I will say I have been
lucky I mean I've ridden in the car when
you have pushed it. So I like I get it.
I just don't want them responsibility of
a $2.5 million car.
>> Everybody I've ever even intimated maybe
driving that car is like I'd rather not.
And I I agree. Like I don't like driving
the cars for videos. If it wasn't for
videos, I wouldn't drive a CLK GTR at an
F It It seems really cool when you're
22. Oh man, you got to drive It's not
all that cool when like life is real.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, exactly. Best part's handing in
the keys back.
>> that experience.
>> That That is the beauty of having
cheaper cars is then you don't question
it. I lent out my P38 to someone for
weeks cuz they totaled their car. Still
has my Ford Focus, this guy. Um but I'm
like cool, it's a great It's free
parking. Um the Arnage I lent to Shawn
and he took it up to LA. Like it is cool
when you have cars that you're not
precious about to do that, but that the
nice cars you don't. The other corollary
that I learned the hard way, I lent my
Murcielago out to our good friend Matt.
He loved it so much that he immediately
started shopping for one. Couldn't find
the right Murci, so he went into a
Diablo. That Diablo then has had some
mechanical issues and resulted in a
major rebuild and I I carry some guilt
that I kind of instigated this, right?
Like I got him into with the idea of a
roadster V12 Lamborghini. He then
pursued it. He sent me that Diablo prior
to buying it and was like, "Yeah, that
looks cool." And it ended up being just
a disaster to own and I'm like, I I was
the the butterfly effect here that
resulted in him needing to send his
Diablo to Columbus, Ohio to get rebuilt.
So, you do have to worry about that a
little too.
>> I I have to say, well, I take pride in
that. Doug took one ride in my 355 and
wanted a buzzy Italian car and bought
the Countach, so
>> That's exactly right. That is exactly
right. That did happen.
>> the other way. It can
>> work the other way, but it it's it's and
that was that was the greatest greatest
the greatest
physical possession that I owned is my
my Lamborghini Countach. Uh last
question from Coyote Queen TN. Coyote
Queen TN, dear Doug and crew, we all
know the famous story of Ford trying to
buy Ferrari in '63, the deal collapsed,
etc. But what if the deal had gone
through? How do you think Ferrari would
look today under the blue oval?
Conversely, how do you think the world's
most prestigious supercar brand would
have changed Ford? You know, it's it's
an interesting question, but we actually
have some examples of what would have
happened in the world.
Um what's that?
>> Premier Auto Group or they later in the
world Ford bought Aston Martin and later
in the world Lamborghini Chrysler bought
Lamborghini. And um
what happened in both cases was uh they
sold them quick. And and I think that
probably would have happened with Ford
and Ferrari as well. I think they would
have found it very difficult to own a
brand that was half a world away in
terms of time zones in an era before the
internet and before
ease of of you know, synergies and in in
part sharing and construction. I think
it would have been hard. Um, and I think
honestly not much great would have come
from it. My guess is Ford would have
tried to make a couple of
um more volume-oriented Ferrari models.
It wouldn't have gone all that well and
then they probably would have sold the
company either at a small loss or a
small gain, which is precisely what
happened with Lamborghini and Chrysler
and precisely what happened with Ford
and Aston Martin. I don't think they
would still own them. I don't think they
would have owned them for very long. Um,
honestly Maserati and Ferrari is also
kind of a an example of this because FCA
owned both brands. They did take
Ferraris and turn them into Maseratis
and in a way
with some part sharing, some engine
sharing etc.
Um
but
it was it was never like this huge
thing. Ferrari's back as its own company
once again. Same kind of situation.
That's that's my guess of what would
have happened. I I don't think it's a
great what if, honestly.
>> I yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with
everything you said. That's that's
exactly how I feel about it. Instead it
went to Fiat and
you know, we got And you got the the
that era of course. They they did
because they kind of did that. They did
start mass producing cars. Like the the
Dino engine was shared with the Fiat
Spider and then of course the 308 series
came out.
>> Relative to how they had been made
before and honestly a lot I think a lot
of Ferrari enthusiasts would argue that
it was a good era and very beneficial
for the company. I'm not sure Ford would
have done it. I think someone needed to
do it in order to take Ferrari to the
next level and it was so done. And and
probably Ford would have had some of
that effect on Ferrari anyway, like Fiat
did.
>> True.
>> The The other interesting thing to in
that hypothetical though is not just
there's no internet in different times
zones. Culturally, they couldn't have
been different, right? Like Ford was run
a little bit at that era by suits and
thinking of the business case and like
Ferrari was very much race on Sunday and
like the cars were sort of an
afterthought.
>> Totally. That's a good point. It would
have been interesting I I Not a lot of
cross-national things had happened by
then. This was the '60s.
Daimler-Chrysler was 30 years away, you
know, there These these globe giant
global mergers, you know, were were
still long ways off. It certainly would
have been among the earlier examples of
such a thing. Ford and Volvo and GM and
Saab and all that came a lot later when,
you know, M&A became like kind of a
bigger thing in that industry. And And
it's all gone away now, by the way.
These These brands have all kind of
stopped doing that. Um but it would have
been a culture a weird cultural shift,
for sure. I I'm curious how they would
have handled it. But my guess is not
long, not much in terms of results and
would have been a a private company.
>> And it's again not that long later.
>> Right. Instead, they went back to the
ugly factory building the ugly cars and
two and two years later beat Ferrari at
Le Mans. So, you know, it's a great
story. It's a wonderful story.
>> Yep, and we have the Ford GT Heritage as
a result.
>> Well, that came much later. Actually, it
wasn't two years. But anyway, you get
the you get the idea.
>> Uh I appreciate everybody watching.
Nick, you got any final thoughts for us?
Why don't you throw something out for
us?
>> Ooh.
You know, you ask me this every time and
you'd think I'd prepare something in
advance.
>> But that's Nick.
>> Absolutely did not.
>> He's Googling instead. Cannon, you got
any final thoughts for us?
>> Uh yes, unfortunately, I will not be
here next week. I'm going back to Ohio
for some family matters. Um but I But
yes, none of It will be an interesting
podcast next week.
>> have a podcast next week. I've been
trying to convince Sean to cancel next
week's podcast. So, we'll see. That
That's my grand dream for us. Uh but
we'll see what happens.
>> was told remote podcast next week, in
which case I will be dialing in from the
great state of Wyoming.
I'm sure the internet connection will be
wonderful out there. It'll be
>> We got We got Starlink.
>> Nick, Wyoming
Nick, Wyoming was the first state to
give women the right to vote.
>> Didn't I know that?
>> Okay. Uh goodbye, everyone. Thank you
for watching our podcast. We really
appreciate it. Absolute pleasure.
>> Goodbye. [snorts]