[0:45] Hello internet, Taliesin here.
[0:46] >> And Evitel too.
[0:47] >> And welcome to a WoW podcast, obviously
[0:49] episode number
[0:51] >> 75.
[0:52] >> It is 75 and OH MY GOODNESS, WE HAVE so
[0:58] much to talk about. Would you like to
[1:00] talk about it with us?
[1:01] >> What a day. Yes, please.
[1:03] >> Well, good. Well, I hope you got a lot
[1:04] of sleep last night, Evie, because
[1:05] frankly it's going to be a very, very
[1:08] busy weekend for us. Welcome to everyone
[1:10] who's joining us in the morning to talk
[1:12] about 12.1
[1:14] Fangs of Ulatek
[1:16] >> [laughter]
[1:16] >> is what it was not called in the end,
[1:19] even though that's what I took a blind
[1:21] guess at. It was It's called Curse of
[1:23] Ulatek.
[1:23] >> Ulatek. So, so warcrafty. You should
[1:26] have known.
[1:27] >> Well, I mean, I think one of the things
[1:29] I'm really liking about Well, let's just
[1:31] talk about all this this patch is like
[1:32] there are some very old school vibes
[1:35] coming out.
[1:35] >> Very old.
[1:36] >> With with 12.1.
[1:37] >> I approve.
[1:39] >> There are snakes, there are temples,
[1:42] there's poison up the wazoo, there's
[1:45] like very low polygon looking [ __ ] which
[1:48] I love.
[1:48] >> Low poly green ooze.
[1:50] >> Oh, but there's some controversy as
[1:51] well, Evitel. There's some stuff people
[1:53] There's There's some stuff people don't
[1:55] like
[1:56] >> Oh, no.
[1:56] >> as well and we're going to talk about
[1:58] all of it.
[1:58] >> I read something I don't
[1:59] >> like today.
[2:00] >> Oh, really?
[2:00] >> Yeah.
[2:01] >> Okay, well well and and you know and
[2:02] there's news coming out all the time
[2:04] beyond the announcement that happened uh
[2:06] which we were on uh live on stream for
[2:08] on Twitch um and uh and all sorts as
[2:11] well. So, welcome if you're watching um
[2:12] on the live stream as we record this on
[2:15] YouTube uh or Twitch. We see you. We see
[2:18] you all in chat. Hello. Welcome.
[2:20] Welcome.
[2:20] >> Peace.
[2:20] >> Um and uh well done for getting up this
[2:22] early in the morning. You know what? We
[2:24] had a sneaky suspicion. No inside
[2:27] knowledge obviously like genuinely.
[2:29] >> Never.
[2:29] >> Um uh in fact, I don't think anyone had
[2:30] any inside knowledge by the lack of like
[2:32] interviews and stuff that have have
[2:34] dropped
[2:34] >> Yeah.
[2:35] >> um in the wake of the announcement.
[2:36] Usually usually you'd expect some um or
[2:38] like on embargo and stuff, but nothing.
[2:40] So, I I I genuinely think no one in the
[2:41] community really knew, but the
[2:43] community's quite good at guessing these
[2:44] things at this point, right?
[2:45] >> We've we've been on this rodeo
[2:48] merry-go-round.
[2:48] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have. We've
[2:50] >> [laughter]
[2:50] >> we've ridden this little
[2:52] uh this yeah.
[2:53] >> Yeah.
[2:54] >> This tiny
[2:56] >> What pardon?
[2:57] >> tiny uh
[2:59] cadence schedule before. So, um and and
[3:01] we thought, "You know what? Why don't we
[3:04] just push the podcast to record on
[3:06] Friday morning instead of Thursday
[3:08] afternoon just in case." And I'm pretty
[3:12] glad we did.
[3:13] >> Yeah.
[3:14] >> Uh so, we're going to be talking about
[3:15] everything in 12.1 today except
[3:18] the tier sets.
[3:19] >> Oh.
[3:20] >> sets that um uh Wowhead this morning
[3:22] like, "We have data mined the tier
[3:24] sets." And I'm like, "Really?" I logged
[3:25] on the PTR and looked at them.
[3:26] >> Yeah.
[3:26] >> [laughter]
[3:27] >> Yeah.
[3:28] >> It's just It's just there. I I I didn't
[3:29] have to do any data mining. I literally
[3:31] just turned on the PTR. I looked in the
[3:33] appearances tab and there they all were.
[3:35] No data mining necessary. So, well done
[3:38] Wow data miners, but you worked a bit
[3:40] too hard than you had to there to be
[3:41] honest. Uh so, um and we're going to be
[3:43] recording our tier set video
[3:46] straight after this. Literally, we're
[3:48] going to we're going to press stop on
[3:49] this uh podcast. Maybe we're have a wee.
[3:53] Um and then and then we'll be recording
[3:55] our reactions to the tier sets, which
[3:57] Evie hasn't seen any of. So, I've
[3:58] already I've already scrolled through,
[4:00] right? But safe to say, I think you're
[4:02] going to be pretty happy with the hunter
[4:04] set Evie.
[4:04] >> Are you Are you trolling me right now?
[4:06] >> What Everything is trolling now from now
[4:08] on, right? It's [laughter] like
[4:11] And and like oh my goodness. So, things
[4:13] I'm most happy about about 12.1, the
[4:15] fact that anything we don't like we can
[4:17] be like a blitz trolling us right now.
[4:20] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[4:21] >> Uh and also uh obviously the Ring of
[4:22] Glory.
[4:23] >> [laughter]
[4:24] >> Like when when I saw the name of that
[4:26] doll
[4:27] >> Too early for that.
[4:27] >> When I saw it never too early. When I
[4:29] saw the you know, you got to pack your
[4:31] great roll with the with with runs from
[4:34] the
[4:34] Ring of Glory, right? Oh god. You know,
[4:37] there's stiff competition, but you got
[4:38] to dive into the Ring of Glory
[4:40] headfirst.
[4:41] >> Yes, you do.
[4:41] >> You just got to really peel back the
[4:43] layers, really have a rummage around
[4:45] there,
[4:47] you know?
[4:48] >> Yeah.
[4:49] >> You don't want to add to this?
[4:50] >> No, I have nothing to add to that.
[4:52] >> Well, okay. All right. Fine. Fine. Okay.
[4:54] [laughter]
[4:54] I'm just going to move your microphone
[4:55] so like you know.
[4:58] >> Yeah.
[4:58] >> Yeah. Yeah. You know how like we have to
[5:00] tell our son to kind of like not use his
[5:02] hands to pick up his food every single
[5:03] dinner time like 12 times.
[5:06] I feel like that with your microphone
[5:07] sometimes.
[5:09] Doesn't matter how many times I say
[5:11] >> I angled it this way so that it can go
[5:13] when I talk down to it it makes it
[5:15] >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
[5:16] >> Cuz otherwise it's just going like this.
[5:17] >> just just put it over here like this.
[5:18] It's just like I just aim for it. It's
[5:20] fine. It's cool. I Yeah. Yeah. 10 years
[5:22] we've been doing this. It's fine.
[5:25] >> [laughter]
[5:26] >> Uh if you don't want us to talk about
[5:28] it,
[5:29] um then please
[5:31] uh give us some money and we won't. Like
[5:33] send us a super chat and we'll talk
[5:34] about anything you like.
[5:36] >> Yeah, so folks on YouTube, um
[5:38] uh towards the end of today's show we
[5:40] will be going through the super chats.
[5:42] So, drop some of those for us. Uh let us
[5:44] know what
[5:46] uh you're thinking, what you're wanting,
[5:49] your reactions, or what you'd like us to
[5:51] discuss. Drop those in there and we'll
[5:52] get to them.
[5:52] >> I know what you're thinking. You just
[5:54] want us to talk about the the Ring of
[5:55] Glory. That's all you want to talk
[5:57] about. That's all you want to hear
[5:58] about. That's all you care about. The
[5:59] first thing you wake up in the morning
[6:00] is you think, "I Where's my Ring of
[6:02] Glory?" And before you go to bed, you're
[6:03] like, "Did I do enough Ring of Glory
[6:04] today?"
[6:05] Um and like, yeah, like that's that's
[6:08] what it is. But try and think of
[6:08] something else. Try and try and kind of
[6:11] like mix it up a bit. That'd be really
[6:13] good. Thank you.
[6:14] >> Yeah. [laughter] Um right. Put something
[6:15] else in there but you can.
[6:17] >> Before we get get something else in the
[6:19] Ring of Glory.
[6:20] >> Yes.
[6:20] >> Leave the Ring of Glory alone. It's
[6:22] tired.
[6:23] We've worn out the Ring of Glory now.
[6:26] We have to let it rest for a little bit
[6:27] before we come back to it later in the
[6:28] show. The Ring of Glory is
[6:31] >> Please let us continue.
[6:33] >> [laughter]
[6:33] >> Right.
[6:34] >> On that note.
[6:35] >> Okay, so look, we're not going to dwell
[6:36] on this. God, I swear, I promise we're
[6:38] not going to dwell on this. But it would
[6:40] be remiss since this is the first show
[6:42] since the launch of 12.0.7
[6:46] Revelations.
[6:47] >> Oh, right.
[6:48] >> It would be remiss not to at least
[6:50] mention the launch and how you've been
[6:51] finding it and how you've been enjoying
[6:53] it Evie.
[6:53] >> Yeah, yeah. You know, in the one day,
[6:57] two days that it was live before the
[7:00] more exciting news dropped.
[7:01] >> [laughter]
[7:02] >> Thank god, honestly. They were like,
[7:04] can you imagine? Can you imagine if we
[7:06] had to have more than one day of 12.0.7?
[7:08] Like Do you know what? What was perfect
[7:10] was the news of 12.1 dropped literally
[7:12] the second I finished all the content in
[7:14] 12.0.7. [laughter]
[7:14] I was like, "Well, I've done it. I've
[7:16] done 12.0.7
[7:18] now. Now what?" And then and then we got
[7:20] 12.1 and it was perfect.
[7:21] >> Yeah, yeah. You know what? Um I'm glad
[7:24] it's there. I did some of the new
[7:27] I did new really because, you know, I
[7:29] did some of the new
[7:31] tier six ritual sites. I got some myth
[7:34] crests. I got some field accolades.
[7:39] I went
[7:40] But, know, I I bought a hero ring and
[7:42] it's rubbish. Literally gave me the
[7:44] worst stats. So, I'm going to switch up
[7:47] my
[7:49] strategy to again just hop into really
[7:51] high keys and roll for loot. And
[7:54] >> [laughter]
[7:56] >> And then I
[7:57] I went to Ny'alotha and that was sorely
[8:01] disappointing after like the mob
[8:03] >> Why Why was it so disappointing?
[8:04] >> After the mob fest that was the PTR, it
[8:07] was busy. It was Oh, it was threatening.
[8:11] Um it was really
[8:14] Yeah, I liked it. It felt like a bit of
[8:16] a challenge.
[8:18] But, now it's it's empty because
[8:20] everyone decimates the mobs even on
[8:22] heroic tier. Again, I guess that, you
[8:24] know, we talked about this a bit
[8:25] yesterday on the stream, but it it feels
[8:27] like it is for alts. And
[8:30] >> Well,
[8:31] >> Well, that's okay.
[8:32] >> It feels like it's for alts, but at the
[8:34] same time, cuz I went in there with my
[8:36] main and I did all the story quests and
[8:37] stuff. And like, you know what? There's
[8:38] actually some quite good world building
[8:40] and stuff in there. There's like some
[8:41] There's like a little intriguing thing
[8:43] of what is this planet and why were the
[8:45] Legion using it and stuff like that.
[8:46] Like the On the Anvil um quests as well,
[8:49] which were really great actually if
[8:50] you're reading the quest text and stuff.
[8:52] >> what? They are good. I did them on the
[8:53] PTR, so I kind of blasted through them.
[8:55] >> I did all that [ __ ] with my main. I was
[8:57] like, well, there's nothing for me here,
[8:59] you know,
[9:01] like heroic heroic mode or not. And so,
[9:04] I I thought, well, I bet I bet it's much
[9:06] better for an alt. So, I went in with a
[9:07] leveling alt.
[9:09] Cuz if I want if I want field acolytes,
[9:10] I'm going to do
[9:13] ritual sites, right? So,
[9:15] like you can bot those. That's the best
[9:16] way to get, especially now with tier six
[9:18] as well. Um so, I went in with like an
[9:21] alt that I've been leveling, like an 84
[9:23] alt.
[9:24] And I ran around and okay, it's not as
[9:26] fast for leveling as doing a dungeon or
[9:29] whatever, but it is a a nice change of
[9:31] pace, you know? A nice
[9:33] And you're getting field acolytes at the
[9:34] same time.
[9:35] The gear you're getting is better than
[9:36] you're getting in leveling
[9:38] So, it felt worthwhile and I was like,
[9:39] "Oh, actually, yeah, this is what
[9:40] Nathria is for. It's for, like, you
[9:43] know, leveling alts." But then, after 20
[9:46] minutes, I'd run out of quests. I'd run
[9:48] out of world quests and I was done. And
[9:51] I literally there was the the map was
[9:53] literally empty. There was nothing to
[9:55] do. Which, okay, fair enough, you don't
[9:56] want to overwhelm people, but that that
[9:57] was my leveling journey over on that alt
[9:59] in Nathria, right? Which is a shame cuz
[10:01] like I was having so much fun blasting
[10:04] stationary mushrooms that didn't fight
[10:06] back.
[10:07] I did that quest like four times. It's
[10:10] like, "Yo, can you just kill some
[10:11] stationary mushrooms that don't fight
[10:13] back?" And I'm like, "There's some
[10:14] pretty big monsters in this zone.
[10:16] There's like Ethereals, the Harronna na
[10:18] na, whatever they're called, the baddest
[10:19] Ethereals in the entire world. And thank
[10:21] goodness didn't join in the fight on
[10:22] K'aresh, otherwise we'd have been in
[10:23] trouble cuz they're so badass."
[10:24] [laughter] Uh they were doing something
[10:25] else that day. Wasn't that it?
[10:27] Yeah, exactly. And and they were like,
[10:28] "Can you just Nah, don't worry about
[10:29] them. Don't worry about the world boss.
[10:31] Just blast these stationary mushrooms
[10:33] that don't fight back." And I'm doing
[10:35] anything. I was like, "Yeah, cool." I
[10:36] did that four times and um yeah, it's
[10:39] fine. And I did a bit of spider-manning
[10:41] on the mushrooms, which is actually like
[10:42] quite fun. Uh but I know everyone's
[10:44] going to hate.
[10:45] >> Yeah, the mushrooms are rubbish.
[10:47] >> Yeah.
[10:47] >> [laughter]
[10:48] >> Mushrooms are just
[10:50] >> Yeah, but don't worry, Evertale.
[10:52] >> I won't.
[10:53] >> Um oh, uh hang on. I did do some raiding
[10:55] as well. Last night. Well, you know how
[10:57] everyone's saying that uh the new raid
[10:59] is incredibly easy?
[11:00] >> Yes.
[11:00] >> Well, we went in there with heroic and
[11:02] absolutely smashed it like in two two
[11:04] pulls. And then we went in in mythic and
[11:07] every we did not kill it.
[11:08] >> Oh.
[11:10] >> We got to like 30%.
[11:11] >> That's not bad.
[11:12] >> I know, man. Like
[11:14] >> Our raid Our raid are great, but they're
[11:16] not very good at just leaving stuff on
[11:18] literally a mark.
[11:19] >> Oh.
[11:20] >> Apparently.
[11:21] >> Yeah.
[11:22] >> Like so um but do you know what my
[11:24] biggest disappointment about the entire
[11:25] raid was? Cuz it's a one-boss raid, man.
[11:27] What do you want? It's like 0.7. You
[11:28] don't want it to be like a a five-minute
[11:30] [ __ ] epic, right? Okay? So, like we
[11:33] went in there and I was really excited.
[11:34] We're like, "Okay guys, welcome to flex
[11:37] rating. We can We're going to flex
[11:39] mythic. Here we go." But you know what?
[11:41] We had 20 [ __ ] people in our group.
[11:43] >> Yeah.
[11:44] >> It was a 20 It was a 20 group a 29
[11:46] group. So it was like, "This is just
[11:48] like
[11:48] >> have just booted someone.
[11:49] >> were going to. So we like for 2 hours
[11:52] there were only 20 there were 20 of us
[11:54] and we're like, "Well, this I mean, this
[11:55] is great. This is fantastic, but it
[11:57] would be nice to have seen the flex
[11:59] stuff a little bit." And luckily,
[12:01] someone joined like after 2 hours and
[12:03] then we had 21. So I can now say
[12:06] I can now say that I've tested the flex
[12:09] mythic rating.
[12:10] >> Great. Cuz I was like, "I can't say that
[12:11] I've tested the flex mythic rating at
[12:13] this point. There's 20 of us exactly
[12:14] right here."
[12:15] >> [laughter]
[12:16] >> Perfection. Good. I'm glad.
[12:18] >> But it's good. I I I like it. It's It's
[12:19] fine. It's good. I I know it's like lots
[12:21] of people are saying it's very easy and
[12:22] people are like
[12:24] spamming it so that they can
[12:26] get all the really good gear cuz you can
[12:27] reroll as many times as you want on that
[12:29] [ __ ]
[12:29] >> Yeah.
[12:30] >> If you've got 10 rerolls, which I really
[12:31] wish I'd known,
[12:33] then you can you can use them all.
[12:34] >> Yeah. And then get your spore forged
[12:36] gear.
[12:37] >> And then turn that into tier gear. Oh,
[12:40] excellent tier news as well in 12.1. My
[12:42] god, such Oh my goodness, some such good
[12:44] catalyst news.
[12:46] So yeah, there we go. And don't worry,
[12:48] if you think 12.0.7 is boring so far,
[12:51] then don't forget that in just two more
[12:54] weeks, well, you got Val, which is the
[12:57] not so good news zone.
[12:58] >> Oh, yeah. The icy one.
[13:00] >> Yeah, the icy one.
[13:02] And then you got that launching next
[13:03] week and then the week after that,
[13:05] you've got the big story quest the big
[13:07] story quest chapter with Zul'jan. And I
[13:11] don't want to spoil anything about what
[13:13] happens in that story [laughter] quest
[13:14] itself.
[13:15] But you know, you go on a little
[13:17] adventure with Zul'jan and he's Well, I
[13:19] I I don't want to spoil it, but he's
[13:20] looking for something. I don't want to
[13:22] spoil what he's looking for and there
[13:24] are some really interesting pointers as
[13:26] to where the story might be going, but
[13:28] I'm not going to spoil that, don't
[13:29] worry.
[13:29] >> we worked so hard to be like, "We're
[13:32] not, you know, big spoilers for the
[13:35] story." And then this announcement came
[13:37] out and it's like,
[13:39] "Woah, this is what happened."
[13:42] >> Yeah, it's like
[13:43] Yeah, so um
[13:45] >> [laughter]
[13:46] >> Zul'jan he's run off. He's trying to get
[13:48] Ulatek who's a big snake person who who
[13:50] is revealed in the in the questing in a
[13:52] couple of weeks. And um like oh oh was
[13:54] revealed obviously months ago if you
[13:55] watch this channel. Um and uh we're
[13:57] going we're going [ __ ] it, that's the
[13:59] end of 12.0.7 you'll be thankful to
[14:00] hear.
[14:01] >> There you go.
[14:02] >> We are now going to talk non-stop
[14:06] 12.1
[14:08] Curse of the Fangs of Ulatek.
[14:12] >> [laughter]
[14:12] >> Uh now I reacted to this live on stream
[14:14] yesterday when the news hit like at
[14:16] literally the exact time we thought it
[14:17] was going to. Yeah. So
[14:19] So we've just been doing this for a long
[14:20] time, haven't we?
[14:21] >> [laughter]
[14:21] >> You know, we've just been just been
[14:22] doing this game for a long ass
[14:25] >> time. Yeah. Now before we get into like
[14:26] the articles and the blue posts and
[14:29] things like that, just from like the a
[14:32] uh initial
[14:35] like um
[14:37] uh
[14:38] announcement,
[14:40] what do you think of the patch?
[14:43] >> I it it feels good to me. It made me
[14:46] excited. It made me smile. It made me
[14:49] go, "Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah." It did. Um I
[14:54] >> screen up.
[14:55] >> Uh
[14:58] I was delighted to see it, really.
[15:00] Every it it felt very welcome. It felt
[15:04] very soon after 12.0.7, but I'm I'm glad
[15:08] it's here. There's some really good
[15:09] stuff in there. There's some things that
[15:10] I'm confused by,
[15:12] namely the uh the new the changes to the
[15:15] world bosses being
[15:17] basically single boss raids, instanced
[15:20] >> raids, like the instance world bosses.
[15:23] An instanced world boss, therefore not
[15:26] really a world boss.
[15:27] >> Getting a bit specific there. What like
[15:28] what about your overall kind of
[15:30] >> Oh, the vibe is great. The vibe like the
[15:31] vibe is actually doing it for me. I
[15:33] didn't think I wanted to go underground
[15:36] into an enclosed space, but going into
[15:39] like a a green venomous uh
[15:42] like kind of temple zone looks super
[15:45] cool.
[15:45] >> Dude, it is so green.
[15:48] >> It's so
[15:48] green.
[15:50] >> Can I like honestly like when I went to
[15:52] make the thumbnail for this podcast like
[15:54] last night so I could kind of put it on
[15:56] there and schedule it and stuff like
[15:57] that. And it was so funny cuz I made it
[16:00] and I used this image like that I took
[16:02] from the trailer and stuff which is a
[16:03] lot like their image that they've used
[16:05] and I put the uh there's nothing on the
[16:07] the Blizzard press release site apart
[16:09] from the logo so far. So I put the logo
[16:11] on there and I put like, you know, some
[16:13] text on there and I I went to add it to
[16:16] our um
[16:17] uh
[16:18] podcast playlist and it was so funny cuz
[16:20] like our our playlist is really funny.
[16:22] When you when you schedule and you add a
[16:23] new video onto our playlist on that one
[16:26] for some reason it goes right to the
[16:27] bottom of the playlist.
[16:28] >> Oh.
[16:29] >> Okay. So I move I have to like manually
[16:30] move it up to the top, but that meant I
[16:32] was scrolling and dragging it past all
[16:35] of our other thumbnails
[16:37] uh like forever, but particularly as we
[16:39] were getting into like the last year
[16:40] it's just purple and blue and like, you
[16:43] know, and and just dragging this very
[16:45] very green and purple, but like
[16:47] different type of purple.
[16:48] >> Of course.
[16:49] >> Like it's not like a cosmic purple. It's
[16:51] like a voidy purple. It's like a a
[16:53] refresher's bar purple. In fact, this
[16:54] green and blue like color scheme they've
[16:56] got going on with Ulatek there is very
[16:57] refresher's bar. We go, you know, after
[17:00] school on a Friday in the '80s and '90s
[17:03] we get taken to Elan Penn's shop across
[17:05] the road from my old school and we'd be
[17:08] given 10 p each to spend on sweets cuz
[17:10] sweets only cost 1 p each then except
[17:12] refresher's bar. Refresher's bar was 5
[17:14] p.
[17:15] And you know, they were that like
[17:16] British school children of a certain
[17:18] age. You can't look at Ulatek without
[17:20] thinking, "Oh, it's a refresher's bar."
[17:22] >> Well, very nice.
[17:23] >> I I that reference is beyond me, but you
[17:25] know what? I'm
[17:27] Very nice.
[17:28] >> Nice.
[17:28] >> Um so, uh yeah, I like just so green,
[17:31] and it's going to be so green for so
[17:33] long.
[17:33] >> Yeah.
[17:34] >> Uh it will make me too.
[17:35] >> I'm I'm ready for some green.
[17:36] >> Yeah, absolutely. It's not like a fell
[17:38] green. It is this kind of a sickly point
[17:40] and screen.
[17:41] >> Nasty aesthetic, yeah.
[17:42] >> You know what? I think this is like a
[17:43] guaranteed hit, because if there's one
[17:45] thing gamers love, it's underwater
[17:48] swimming levels. But [laughter] if
[17:49] there's another thing that gamers love,
[17:51] it's poison.
[17:53] >> Yeah.
[17:53] >> They [ __ ] love it. If you want gamers
[17:55] to love your game, just put big, big
[17:58] pools of poison everywhere. A sea of
[18:01] poison. Everyone's favorite Elden Ring
[18:03] zone, the Scarlet Rot zone. Put that in
[18:06] there. Just get some poison in there.
[18:08] Get some It's a gamer's delight. We're
[18:11] going to have people sobbing from other
[18:12] games just cuz they heard there was
[18:14] loads of poison in this game. They're
[18:15] saying, "There's all this snakes and
[18:17] poison?
[18:18] Is it a really annoying ticking poison
[18:20] that just gets me everywhere I go?" And
[18:23] then you say, "Yes, gamers. Come on in.
[18:25] Come and join the fun." No, yeah, you
[18:27] don't need Guild Wars 3 anymore. Come on
[18:29] in.
[18:30] >> You know, there's something like kind of
[18:31] pleasingly old school about this
[18:33] announcement. It just made me feel It
[18:35] made me feel good.
[18:37] Uh some things made me feel really good.
[18:39] Some things made me go,
[18:41] >> Can Can we be real? Cuz like I we are
[18:43] going to touch on the old school feels
[18:45] of this um quite a lot. And I think part
[18:48] of that is because it's, you know,
[18:51] trolls, man. And I love me a troll raid,
[18:53] and I'm very biased, okay? Cuz I love a
[18:55] troll raid. I think like troll patches
[18:57] are the best patches, even though I
[18:58] don't play a troll, cuz I find their
[19:00] animations a bit annoying to play, but I
[19:01] love I love them. They're awesome. And
[19:04] like some of my favorite WoW stuff is
[19:05] troll stuff. It just feels old school,
[19:07] doesn't it?
[19:08] >> Yeah.
[19:08] >> It feels Indiana Jonesy. It It like
[19:10] classic fantasy. Yeah. It feels like
[19:12] >> And I
[19:14] >> Blizz clearly really leaning into this
[19:16] cuz can I be real for just a moment?
[19:17] That model of Ulatek there, like the
[19:19] main baddie of the patch, the final boss
[19:22] of the raid
[19:24] It's goofy and janky as [ __ ] isn't it?
[19:26] It's got like three polygons in
[19:28] >> I KNOW.
[19:29] >> THAT'S A proper [ __ ] TBC wrath troll
[19:32] [ __ ] boss right there. It's like It's
[19:34] like I feel like they made a much cooler
[19:36] model and then someone was like, "I
[19:37] thought we were going old school. Take
[19:39] away like 2/3 of those polygons, dudes.
[19:42] Let's go. Let's do this properly,
[19:43] right?"
[19:44] >> Yeah.
[19:44] >> It's some It's some janky goofy looking
[19:46] [ __ ] And all the snake people are goofy
[19:48] and janky looking as well.
[19:49] >> really are. Oh, especially the Delph
[19:52] boss, the new Delph boss.
[19:54] >> Oh, well. Okay. So, the new the well,
[19:57] okay. So, the new Delph Nemesis, you
[19:59] mean?
[19:59] >> Yeah, we got to talk about this.
[20:00] >> anything about the new Delph Nemesis?
[20:02] >> Uh
[20:03] >> Have you noticed anything about the the
[20:04] the new Delph Nemesis' um
[20:08] design?
[20:09] >> Yeah, his his model is like a funny
[20:11] chunky snake guy.
[20:12] >> what's he wearing? What's he wearing?
[20:13] What's he wearing? What's he wearing?
[20:14] What's he wearing?
[20:14] >> What's he wearing?
[20:15] >> I haven't I haven't checked it. Well,
[20:16] what is he wearing?
[20:17] >> Uh well, let me let me just bring him up
[20:20] if I can find him here.
[20:21] >> Okay.
[20:21] >> Uh cuz I I don't cuz I I have been on
[20:24] the PTR that has since launched as well.
[20:26] >> Yeah.
[20:27] >> And you know, I have had a look through
[20:29] the the raid boss list isn't up yet. But
[20:32] >> No.
[20:32] >> the uh dungeon boss list is up.
[20:35] >> Okay.
[20:36] >> And uh you know, the final boss of the
[20:39] new dungeon is exactly who I predicted
[20:42] it was going to be on stream.
[20:44] >> Uh okay.
[20:44] >> Um and
[20:46] uh I was pooh-poohed by many people in
[20:49] my stream. So, I was really keen to to
[20:51] get on it and I I went on it It's the
[20:53] first thing I looked at actually before
[20:55] even tier sets or anything like that.
[20:56] And um can I give a spoiler right now
[21:00] for PTR?
[21:00] >> Uh yeah, yeah, if you can. We'll warn
[21:02] the viewers
[21:02] >> right?
[21:03] >> viewers if you don't want to hear a
[21:04] spoiler.
[21:05] >> Uh the final boss of the dungeon is
[21:08] Zul'jan.
[21:09] >> Ah.
[21:10] >> Um, and if you look at I can't find it
[21:12] on the video right now, but if you look
[21:14] on the if you look at the delve Nemesis
[21:18] he he is goofy looking
[21:20] >> Yeah.
[21:21] >> and he is snake looking
[21:22] >> Yeah.
[21:23] >> but he does also seem to be wearing
[21:24] quite a bit of purple if I remember. Now
[21:27] maybe I've misremembered this cuz I just
[21:29] thought of it, but like
[21:30] >> you just look up uh
[21:32] Nemesis delve Nemesis?
[21:34] >> Yeah, yeah, sure. Uh,
[21:36] cuz I've got all these tabs open. Hang
[21:37] on. Um, why don't you look up delve
[21:39] Nemesis?
[21:39] >> Well, cuz I've got my screen up right
[21:41] now.
[21:42] Um, but yeah, I
[21:44] uh
[21:45] I I liked the look of him. He had a
[21:47] little
[21:48] >> Very goofy looking.
[21:49] >> a little like a goofy smiley face.
[21:52] A chunky snake. Now one thing we're not
[21:55] getting is playable snake people.
[21:57] >> Yeah.
[21:58] >> No, there's no no image for it anyway.
[22:00] >> Okay, you pull up your you pull up your
[22:01] screen. You you
[22:03] you pull up your screen and I'll go find
[22:04] it.
[22:05] >> One sec.
[22:08] >> We'll get him up there.
[22:09] >> Yeah, one one minute. Hang on.
[22:11] All right.
[22:12] >> There we are.
[22:13] >> Okay, let me pull up my screen.
[22:16] There we are.
[22:17] >> Okay.
[22:21] >> Uh
[22:24] Yeah, I'm I'm having real trouble
[22:25] finding it. I don't really want to sit
[22:26] here scrolling through a video.
[22:28] >> all right. Well, you keep talking then.
[22:29] >> Yeah, okay. Well,
[22:31] yeah, that's I mean that's it. That's
[22:32] the whole point really. He just looks
[22:33] like he might be Zul'jan to me.
[22:35] >> Zul'jan, ah.
[22:37] >> Yeah, he's dressed in Didn't you get
[22:38] that when I was saying like how he's
[22:39] dressed in purple? He was something.
[22:40] Look at him. He's dressed in purple and
[22:42] he is like he's he
[22:47] is very goofy looking. Almost like he
[22:49] used to be at There you go. Look. Look
[22:50] how look
[22:52] You don't
[22:54] Maybe not then. Actually looking at
[22:55] [laughter] it now I don't I don't I
[22:56] don't think so much actually. But to me
[22:59] Well, he's got he's got Yeah, okay,
[23:00] fine. He's got purple hair.
[23:02] >> Purple purple hair.
[23:02] >> Zul'jan's got purple hair, isn't he? No,
[23:04] he's got green hair or purple hair. I
[23:05] can't even remember now.
[23:07] >> [laughter]
[23:07] >> Oh, well, do you know what? I It must
[23:09] have been like a [ __ ] like fever
[23:10] dream that I had.
[23:11] >> It's It's possible. It's pos- I like
[23:13] your thinking, though. I enjoy your
[23:15] thought process.
[23:16] >> You don't think You don't think what I
[23:17] think is obviously like the the story of
[23:19] the dungeon is set before the raid,
[23:21] right?
[23:22] Uh, you know, cuz if we're dealing with
[23:23] Zul'jin. And here's the question, is
[23:25] Zul'jin going to turn into a big snake
[23:27] person and become the nemesis? Or is he
[23:30] going to be killed by us? Or well, he
[23:33] will be if he's a nemesis, but you know
[23:34] what I mean. Or is it going to be one of
[23:36] those like um
[23:39] beat them
[23:41] uh beat some sense into them kind of
[23:43] thing.
[23:44] >> Yes. Uh
[23:45] I think it's definitely going to be one
[23:46] of those.
[23:47] >> Yeah, WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM.
[23:48] I'm asking you which one.
[23:49] >> I didn't finish my sentence. [laughter]
[23:52] I think it's definitely going to be one
[23:53] of those. And now here's the rest of the
[23:55] sentence.
[23:56] >> [laughter]
[23:56] >> Beat them senseless.
[23:58] >> Oh, okay.
[23:59] >> Beat
[24:01] some
[24:01] >> sentence.
[24:02] >> Oh, I I tell you what, yeah, people
[24:04] pointed out in the chat cuz
[24:06] yeah people
[24:07] people are turning doing some amazing
[24:09] work. Proper data mining, not just
[24:11] looking at the data.
[24:13] They're already there. There's some some
[24:15] great data mining from Oh, yes, yes,
[24:17] yes yes.
[24:18] All working out.
[24:19] >> Yeah, so it's kind They're kind of Naga
[24:21] Naga
[24:22] >> Oh, here he is. Yeah, no, here he is.
[24:24] Okay. Do Do you want me to Do you want
[24:25] me to show you the one I was thinking
[24:26] of?
[24:26] >> Oh.
[24:27] >> Yeah, I I I hope you'll stop laughing at
[24:29] me now.
[24:31] That That's Zul'jin, right?
[24:33] >> It is.
[24:33] >> That's Zul'jin as a snake, right?
[24:35] >> It is. Now
[24:36] >> Yeah.
[24:37] >> that's just going to be temporary.
[24:39] >> [laughter]
[24:39] >> Like that's not, you know, he's going to
[24:41] He's going to
[24:43] take up the power right, he's going to
[24:44] take up the power of Ula'tek. He's going
[24:47] to wield it, and we're going to be like,
[24:49] "No, bad bad." And we'll beat it out of
[24:53] >> So, even now you've seen him as a snake?
[24:55] >> Yeah.
[24:55] >> Even now you've seen this, you still
[24:57] don't You still don't think we're going
[24:58] to kill him?
[24:59] >> Why can't I be a snake?
[25:00] >> I I do you know what? I dare say you
[25:02] will have that chance at some point.
[25:04] >> love to be a snake cuz it's basically
[25:06] the closest thing we're going to get to
[25:07] Naga.
[25:08] >> Okay.
[25:09] >> [laughter]
[25:09] >> Actual best case scenario here.
[25:12] He's like it is one of those beat him in
[25:14] like beat some sense into him fights.
[25:16] >> Yeah.
[25:16] >> And like he becomes a goody again and
[25:18] he's back on our side and he proves
[25:19] himself, right? And he redeems himself
[25:21] through his actions.
[25:22] >> Yes.
[25:23] >> But he's still a snake.
[25:24] >> Oh.
[25:25] >> Like we don't cure him of the snake
[25:27] [ __ ]
[25:28] >> Yeah.
[25:28] >> Like he's still a snake.
[25:30] >> Like someone's got to turn into a snake
[25:32] now right?
[25:33] >> He's just a snake.
[25:34] >> Someone's got to turn into the illithid,
[25:36] right?
[25:37] >> And we have like these voice lines with
[25:38] him and stuff and we're like, "Hey, how
[25:40] do you feel about being a snake?" And
[25:42] he's like, "Well, it kind of sucks, but
[25:44] it's kind of my own fault and actually I
[25:46] deserve it and actually it serves as a
[25:48] reminder to to myself of what a dick
[25:51] I've been and how I must strive to do
[25:53] better.
[25:54] >> Maybe. Maybe.
[25:55] >> And and also I can't you know, I don't
[25:58] have feet now and that kind of stuff.
[26:00] >> Just one foot.
[26:01] >> Yeah.
[26:02] >> [laughter]
[26:03] >> So but yeah, and Keyboard turns got some
[26:06] great stuff which we'll we'll go through
[26:08] in a bit probably actually.
[26:10] So
[26:10] >> But yeah, shall we go through what what
[26:13] is actually coming?
[26:13] >> announcement before we get into some
[26:15] like the weeds of it? Yeah, so obviously
[26:16] we've got the brand new zone which is
[26:17] the Coiled Isle.
[26:19] >> Uh
[26:20] >> Ah.
[26:20] Well, one niggle, I do not like the name
[26:22] Coiled Isle. I think it's
[26:24] Coiled Isle is like the word
[26:26] >> Isle of Fangs was right there.
[26:28] >> Isle of Fangs exactly. Coiled Isle is so
[26:31] >> be the Isle of Fangs to me, Evie.
[26:32] >> Is a is a fumble.
[26:33] >> These [ __ ] these [ __ ] zoomers,
[26:35] they can come along calling it the
[26:36] Coiled Isle as much as they like, but
[26:38] the real ones know what it's actually
[26:39] called. It'll always be the the Isle of
[26:42] Fangs.
[26:42] >> Yes.
[26:44] >> The Isle of Fangs.
[26:45] >> Yes, but it does look the the actual
[26:48] zone, the area looks super cool. I love
[26:51] like the mist over everything. I like
[26:54] how menacing and poisonous it is. Um
[26:58] kind of like stomach-turningly green.
[27:00] That is a really nice change from
[27:02] purple.
[27:03] >> Now, we have explored uh the outside of
[27:05] this island quite a lot um just just in
[27:08] game, not even on the on alpha or PTR or
[27:10] anything like that because, you know,
[27:11] you can do that with far sight. Thank
[27:13] you, shamans uh shaman. And uh and it's
[27:15] it's a substantial area outside once you
[27:17] get round the back. There's like loads
[27:19] of it
[27:19] >> Mhm.
[27:20] >> in the back. Uh but one of the
[27:21] interesting things about the zone as
[27:23] they describe it is that actually quite
[27:24] a lot of it I wonder how much. Um I
[27:27] mean, optimistically say like a quarter
[27:29] or a third or something is inside the
[27:32] big mountain. So, there's kind of like a
[27:36] almost like a uh a Zarelek thing going
[27:38] on in a way in that like there is
[27:40] outside zone, but there's inside zone as
[27:42] well with like twisty corridors and and
[27:44] but that's actually part of the zone and
[27:46] and and the events and stuff.
[27:47] >> Yes. And I never thought I would say
[27:48] this, but like it feels good to be going
[27:50] back inside. Like I just kind of want to
[27:52] go inside again. I've had all these
[27:54] beautiful exteriors. I've had all these
[27:56] like wonderful outside experiences.
[27:59] And outside in like the void, outside
[28:02] and you know, Quel'Thalas like and I'm
[28:04] like I'm ready to go back inside.
[28:06] >> Um I would like
[28:08] for for some cool something Indiana
[28:09] Jones [ __ ]
[28:10] >> delve right into the into the
[28:13] >> Oh, you you'll be delving.
[28:14] >> Oh, yeah.
[28:15] >> that ring of glory.
[28:16] >> All right, yeah.
[28:17] >> Like actually ironically the ring of
[28:18] glory is actually the outside zone. But
[28:20] that's you know,
[28:22] boo, just just kind of hovering around
[28:24] the outside of the ring of glory when
[28:25] really all you want to be doing is
[28:26] digging deep, you know?
[28:28] >> [laughter]
[28:29] >> It's right there. You almost taste it.
[28:32] >> Yep.
[28:33] Um
[28:34] >> [laughter]
[28:35] >> Yes.
[28:36] >> Um so, yeah, I find that that's kind of
[28:38] interesting. Um and the way they
[28:39] describe like the inside uh of uh the
[28:43] the the mountain is they call it like
[28:44] the vault of Ulatek, don't they or
[28:46] something? Uh
[28:48] >> Yes.
[28:49] >> It's the the Vault. The Vault of
[28:51] something. Vaults of Atal'Utech.
[28:53] >> Yeah.
[28:54] >> Um
[28:55] And the way they describe it in the uh
[28:58] the film,
[28:59] it sounds a bit like you might be going
[29:01] through a portal to get there. It feels
[29:04] like it might be kind of like its own
[29:06] thing. And I might be wrong, and I'll be
[29:08] happy to be I'll be very happy to be
[29:09] wrong, honestly. But like it feels just
[29:12] like there's something about the way
[29:13] they were talking about it. Maybe [ __ ]
[29:14] can give us their opinions on this as
[29:15] well. There's just something about the
[29:17] way they were talking about it that made
[29:18] it seem like it was kind of like
[29:20] semi-instanced,
[29:22] and that you go there and you get like
[29:24] get a loading screen, and it wouldn't be
[29:25] like that beautiful seamless Zandalar
[29:27] thing where you kind of fly through it,
[29:28] or that beautiful War Within thing where
[29:30] you're kind of like
[29:31] >> Really? I didn't I didn't get that
[29:33] impression.
[29:34] I think it's going to be pretty
[29:35] seamless.
[29:35] >> That's brilliant. I I'm going to trust
[29:37] your instinct on this.
[29:39] Cuz that that always proves to be so
[29:40] right. Like that bet we had about
[29:41] housing that I just got an answer from
[29:43] from Jesse Cox as well.
[29:45] >> I didn't
[29:45] >> But we'll get to that when we get to the
[29:46] housing. We'll get to that when we get
[29:47] to the housing. Um so, but I I think
[29:49] that's just a really cool, neat concept
[29:51] that a lot of this zone is outside, a
[29:53] lot of this zone is like in the [ __ ]
[29:54] mountain. And I think that's really
[29:56] cool. I think that's awesome. Um and uh
[29:59] you know, what have we got to look
[30:00] forward to, you know, in terms of
[30:03] content on this island, Evie?
[30:05] >> Yeah. How did you feel when you when you
[30:06] heard these words? Plunge into the
[30:09] Vaults of Atal'Utech, primed for
[30:10] challenging group content and rotating
[30:13] public events. Taking part in these
[30:15] public events will ultimately build up
[30:17] to a boss fight.
[30:18] >> I
[30:20] Do you know what? I I would I
[30:22] apologize to people who are only
[30:23] listening to this right now, but I wish
[30:25] to
[30:26] uh show you how that made me feel
[30:29] through the medium
[30:30] >> Oh.
[30:31] >> of interpretive dance.
[30:32] >> Oh. Uh-oh.
[30:34] Okay.
[30:35] It's going to
[30:36] >> You You You say the thing again, and
[30:37] I'll react to it. Cuz first of all, the
[30:39] dance starts
[30:41] All right.
[30:41] >> Yeah.
[30:41] >> The dance starts, and I'm very excited
[30:44] about the patch right. And then and then
[30:45] you be like Ian and and tell me about
[30:47] it.
[30:47] >> Ian Ian's here.
[30:49] Plunge into the vault of Etalutech
[30:51] primed for challenging group content and
[30:54] rotating public events. Taking part in
[30:56] these public events will ultimately
[30:58] build up to a boss fight.
[31:02] >> [laughter]
[31:04] >> I was like, wait, I've been doing that.
[31:06] That's exactly what I've been I've been
[31:08] I've been I've been doing that all day
[31:10] long. And then they and then and then
[31:13] they showed and then they showed the
[31:15] tree. And they're like, oh, and you'll
[31:17] have a tree. And I was like, no.
[31:20] He's already on the floor.
[31:22] >> [laughter]
[31:23] >> He's already on the ground. I know.
[31:25] I was like, wait.
[31:26] >> I
[31:27] >> You can't open with that.
[31:29] >> I when they said that,
[31:30] I melted. And look, here's the thing,
[31:33] right? Yeah, you want fun [ __ ] to do in
[31:35] the zone.
[31:35] You want fun [ __ ] to do in the zone. And
[31:37] of course it's going to be events and
[31:38] stuff like that. And you know, do you
[31:39] remember when we didn't have events and
[31:41] stuff in the zone? It
[31:43] sucked. It was really bad. But there's
[31:45] just something about
[31:47] I don't want to say cut and paste, okay?
[31:49] Cuz it's not cut and paste. But
[31:52] look at this look at this look at this
[31:55] out of proportion emotional reaction
[31:57] that literally everyone is having to
[31:59] and that should tell you why it's a bad
[32:01] like just it's just
[32:03] I wish they could have sold it a bit
[32:05] differently.
[32:06] >> I know. There's no way to
[32:07] >> just say it like it's the same thing.
[32:09] >> Yeah, there's no way to do it. There's
[32:10] no way to do it. There's no way to do
[32:11] it. There's no way to do it though
[32:13] because that's exactly what it is. It is
[32:15] exactly what we have just been doing and
[32:17] what we are doing in this patch. And you
[32:19] know what? That's fine because there's
[32:22] so much more going on, right?
[32:24] >> Artemis says, skipping a skipping a
[32:25] meeting for this. No, this is your
[32:27] meeting, Artemis. You're here right now.
[32:29] Glad you could make it. You don't have
[32:31] to turn your camera, it's fine.
[32:34] >> Just on voice for this one, guys.
[32:35] [laughter]
[32:37] Um yeah, so okay, fine.
[32:41] While in the zone, players will have
[32:42] access to a custom talent tree.
[32:44] >> Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
[32:45] before we go on talent tree, I have to
[32:46] tell you you missed out the best thing
[32:48] about this rotating event, okay? Cuz it
[32:50] goes from place to place and you get
[32:51] elites like like spawning in the big
[32:54] poison pit.
[32:55] >> Yeah.
[32:56] >> Okay, and like you know, so like you you
[32:57] kill a bunch of mobs, you do little
[32:59] challenges and stuff probably like some
[33:01] of you will be like go and kick
[33:03] footballs into a goal.
[33:04] Go and pull flowers. You get to kill
[33:07] some mobs, well done, congratulations.
[33:08] And then the boss spawns and then you go
[33:10] and kill the boss, but you didn't you
[33:12] missed out I can't believe you missed
[33:13] out the huge innovation.
[33:15] >> Yeah, yeah.
[33:16] >> The huge innovation in this otherwise
[33:18] quite stock formula at this stage, once
[33:20] you've killed one of those bosses,
[33:23] for a little while you can fish in the
[33:25] pool where they were.
[33:26] >> Cursed fishing.
[33:27] >> Cursed being the operative WORD. LIKE
[33:30] WHY DO I CARE ABOUT THAT? THAT'S NOT A
[33:32] MAIN patch feature that like okay guys,
[33:35] so you kill the bosses, right? You kill
[33:37] the bosses, okay? And but but but but
[33:41] but
[33:42] sit down
[33:43] because once you kill the bosses you can
[33:45] fish there for a little bit.
[33:48] >> But it's cursed.
[33:49] >> That's a main patch feature. It's
[33:51] getting it's getting its own image.
[33:53] >> And
[33:54] >> on the blue post, it's getting its own
[33:56] [ __ ] section in the blue post.
[33:58] >> Look at that guy,
[33:59] look at this absolutely savage
[34:01] tortollan.
[34:02] >> Yeah, he is sick actually.
[34:03] >> Like he's like I mean he's the reason
[34:04] that I will do cursed fishing.
[34:06] >> [laughter]
[34:07] >> Now you might think his hat is clipping
[34:08] through his spiky head there, but he's
[34:09] just so badass he's fixed it to his head
[34:13] on the spiky clip.
[34:14] >> Yeah.
[34:15] >> Um so yeah, anyway, so that's yeah,
[34:17] look, I am sure
[34:19] I'm sure it's going to be good. Like I'm
[34:22] like the zone looks really [ __ ] cool.
[34:24] It's cool that there's stuff happening
[34:25] on the outside and the inside and all
[34:26] that. It's and like I'm
[34:28] I I accept
[34:30] that my emotional reaction is out of
[34:32] proportion. If you think this is out of
[34:34] proportion, wait until you hear about
[34:35] the Mythic Plus rotation.
[34:36] >> Oh. Oh.
[34:38] >> but but I am not the only one having
[34:39] this emotional reaction. And I feel like
[34:43] players' emotional reactions like this
[34:45] is something that Blizzard should be
[34:46] able to anticipate. And you know, it's
[34:49] like
[34:50] if if the content is going to be
[34:51] different, tell me. Cuz right now, in
[34:53] the way you've described it,
[34:55] it doesn't sound that different. And I'm
[34:58] not even saying that's a bad thing, but
[35:01] just try to make it sound different.
[35:03] >> Yeah.
[35:03] >> Make it sound like it's not the same
[35:05] thing I've been doing for three
[35:05] expansions.
[35:06] >> Yes. And there'll be there Yeah, you're
[35:08] right. There will be a purple triangle
[35:10] question marker over the gray fishing
[35:12] guy.
[35:13] >> [laughter]
[35:15] >> But no, he's going to be so cool.
[35:16] >> Forever. Forever. Until the day I die,
[35:18] there will be a purple question marker
[35:20] over the gray fishing guy.
[35:21] >> Okay, wait. We need another purple
[35:22] triangle just to throw in there to to,
[35:25] you know, linger [clears throat] in
[35:26] people's minds. But this time we're
[35:28] going to put one It's like literally
[35:29] going to be right next to like right
[35:31] next to the content.
[35:31] >> helps very like talking about all this
[35:33] [ __ ] It helps very the least for some
[35:34] really interesting sounding stuff as
[35:36] well.
[35:36] >> Well, I guess they just got it out of
[35:38] the way. They're like, "Listen, this is
[35:39] this is the This is the form. This is
[35:41] the shape of the thing. It will be
[35:42] familiar to you."
[35:44] >> I don't think that's a great way of
[35:45] presenting stuff. I think it should
[35:46] definitely be the other way around where
[35:47] the interesting stuff is at the front.
[35:48] But don't worry, Evie, cuz I know you're
[35:50] feeling a bit underwhelmed and you're
[35:52] feeling a little bit off-put by the
[35:55] rotating world events that culminate in
[35:57] a boss, even if you can fish there
[35:59] afterwards.
[35:59] >> Oh, yeah.
[36:00] >> Uh but don't worry, because we're about
[36:02] to pick this announcement right back up.
[36:04] Because also, there's a talent tree.
[36:05] >> Hey!
[36:08] This one has more than one node.
[36:11] It kind of looks like a snake. It's a
[36:13] snake! It's a cobra!
[36:16] >> [ __ ] it is.
[36:16] >> It's a cobra!
[36:18] >> You've never had a talent tree in the
[36:19] shape of a cobra before?
[36:20] >> Yeah.
[36:21] >> I don't know what you're complaining
[36:22] about.
[36:23] >> This one is a snake. The one we have
[36:24] right now is a straight line. which is
[36:26] pretty interesting.
[36:26] >> Well, actually actually, I guess every
[36:28] talent tree is kind of in the shape of
[36:29] snake.
[36:29] >> Okay, I take it back.
[36:31] >> Come on.
[36:32] >> [laughter]
[36:33] >> Oh, look. Look, again and again
[36:36] again I've got nothing against this.
[36:39] Especially because of how good the
[36:41] Omniom Folio is. Oh my god.
[36:43] >> Oh, I mean
[36:44] >> That that talent tree has changed the
[36:46] way I play the game.
[36:48] You know?
[36:48] >> Yeah.
[36:49] >> you Which one did you go for?
[36:50] >> Uh orbs.
[36:51] >> Yeah, do you know why? Because that's
[36:52] the only one that has a [ __ ] graphic.
[36:53] >> I didn't Oh.
[36:55] >> Light one has no visual feedback at all.
[36:57] It's literally Yeah, like the only way
[36:59] you know it's doing anything is if you
[37:00] literally check your DPS meter after a
[37:02] fight.
[37:03] >> Yeah.
[37:03] >> I did cuz I wanted to see which one was
[37:05] better. Like last night, we were kind of
[37:07] like doing lots of fighting obviously in
[37:08] our raid. And I I did some pulls with
[37:11] the
[37:12] orbs up and I did some pulls with the
[37:14] with the light flame up.
[37:15] >> Yeah.
[37:16] >> And uh well, the orbs contributed I know
[37:19] it's only the first like rune, right?
[37:22] And they get better. But the orbs
[37:24] contributed to sub-zero percent of my
[37:27] healing.
[37:29] >> That's nice. That's
[37:30] >> And sub-zero percent of my damage.
[37:32] >> Oh, okay.
[37:32] >> So like literally like 0.0 something of
[37:35] them.
[37:36] >> [laughter]
[37:37] >> Uh and I was like, "Well, okay. I guess
[37:38] I'm switching to the light. Everyone
[37:39] says that one's better."
[37:41] Uh and that one was marginally better
[37:43] but still sub-zero percent of my healing
[37:45] again.
[37:45] >> There you go. There you go.
[37:47] >> Um so, just [ __ ] game changer. And if
[37:50] this talent tree is as is as
[37:51] significant, then I think we are in for
[37:53] a treat.
[37:54] >> Well, I I think literally like one of
[37:55] the first nodes is like
[37:57] the poison doesn't really bother you
[37:59] anymore.
[38:00] >> Yeah, I mean, we'll see, right? But So,
[38:03] okay look.
[38:05] I Do you know what? I think is obviously
[38:06] there's some very strong reactions to
[38:08] this uh online as you might imagine.
[38:11] >> Yeah.
[38:12] >> Like and again
[38:13] perhaps disproportionate emotional
[38:15] reaction from the player base, but not
[38:16] an unpredictable disproportionate
[38:18] emotional reaction. And I I wouldn't
[38:20] even blame them cuz I have the same
[38:21] emotional reaction.
[38:22] I think if we think about it on its own
[38:24] terms, yeah, it's fun to have a thing
[38:26] that you're working towards, right?
[38:27] Throughout the patch and like
[38:28] >> Exactly. And it has to be a structure to
[38:30] it.
[38:31] >> up and that you're gearing up and like I
[38:32] I've often said that I think I would
[38:34] like to play with the idea, just
[38:36] experiment one time, of having some
[38:38] extra literal [ __ ] levels to level,
[38:41] as in like we're 90, maybe you got to 92
[38:44] or 95 or something. Like in a in a
[38:45] patch, just so we have something we're
[38:47] working through in in like a major
[38:49] patch. And this is kind of like a
[38:50] version of that in a way, right? And
[38:52] like I hate it when people are like,
[38:53] "Oh, more borrowed power. You said there
[38:56] would be no more borrowed power."
[38:58] Actually, a lot of comments using the
[39:00] exact same words to say that. Like
[39:03] Blizzard said they were done with
[39:04] borrowed power, yet here it is, which
[39:05] makes me think a YouTuber has said it in
[39:07] a reaction which they're kind of
[39:08] copying. But it's like,
[39:10] you know, I don't want to be that guy,
[39:13] but I am that guy, alas, and I have to
[39:15] live with it.
[39:16] You do want borrowed power in a patch.
[39:19] You don't want Blizzard to abandon
[39:21] borrowed power because gear is borrowed
[39:23] power. Like you want gear, don't you?
[39:26] You want tier set bonuses. Remember when
[39:28] we didn't have tier set bonuses? Do you
[39:30] remember how [ __ ] that was? Do you
[39:32] remember you remember Shadowlands? You
[39:34] remember not tier set bonuses?
[39:36] Like you want that shadow power. Like
[39:38] you want that borrowed power, okay? You
[39:40] want it. Um and like this this will uh
[39:43] this is you could make an argument and
[39:45] you'd be right if you made this
[39:46] argument that
[39:48] a talent tree like this, which is
[39:50] specific to the zone or the expansion,
[39:54] Blizzard getting very good at like
[39:56] reusing locations and zones now in other
[39:59] expansions. This is arguably less
[40:02] borrowed power than tier uh season two
[40:04] gear.
[40:05] Because season two gear and tier sets,
[40:08] you get in season two just like this,
[40:10] but then you replace it in season three.
[40:12] You won't replace this. This will always
[40:14] be here. Um when you whenever you go to
[40:16] the Isle of Thorns
[40:17] >> power with some play.
[40:18] >> even the Coiled Isle, right? Like it'll
[40:21] always be there. So if in many it is
[40:23] like a permanent upgrade when you're in
[40:24] this zone and it's literally less
[40:26] borrowed power than tier sets. It's less
[40:29] borrowed power than the gear you're
[40:30] going to get that season.
[40:31] >> Mhm.
[40:32] >> With that said, I understand the
[40:34] emotional reaction. And I tell you what,
[40:36] it's not even the the
[40:39] talent tree itself which is giving me
[40:41] that reaction. It's the cost. One green
[40:45] thing.
[40:45] >> Mhm.
[40:46] >> And you know what that one green thing
[40:48] cost makes me think?
[40:49] >> What?
[40:50] >> That you get one a week.
[40:52] You know?
[40:53] Like it makes me feel like
[40:55] >> Of course it's going to be time gated,
[40:56] right?
[40:57] >> Well well yeah, but like I mean
[40:58] everything's time gated to a certain And
[41:00] again, that's another thing where you're
[41:00] like, "Oh, time gating." But it's like,
[41:02] "Well, yeah, everything is time gated to
[41:03] a certain degree, but there's good and
[41:04] bad ways of doing it." And you know a
[41:06] bad way of doing it? Getting one of
[41:08] these tokens per week.
[41:10] And like upgrading one per week.
[41:12] >> a lot of weeks, right there.
[41:13] >> No, but it's also completely passive.
[41:16] Like you don't feel like you're earning
[41:18] it, you're just waiting for it, right?
[41:20] You know? Like it's like it's not
[41:23] like I honestly think it would be better
[41:27] if there was like a grindable artifact
[41:30] power element to this talent tree rather
[41:32] than just getting given a token every
[41:34] week that you then spend and you've done
[41:37] nothing. You feel no sense of
[41:38] achievement. That's okay in a point
[41:40] seven patch where it is just a content
[41:42] nerf, right? But as like this is your
[41:45] this is one of your power progressions
[41:46] for the patch, the major patch, you want
[41:50] to as a player feel like you're earning
[41:52] a little bit, right?
[41:53] >> Yeah.
[41:53] >> So like just being given it every week
[41:56] like you do with the Omnium Folio, yeah,
[41:58] fine. You have to go and do a ritual
[41:59] site. Yeah, you have to go and like one
[42:01] week you have to go and do a delve or
[42:03] whatever. But like you are basically
[42:05] just getting given it. Like I think
[42:07] there might be room here for a little
[42:10] bit of a a little bit of an AP style
[42:12] grind.
[42:14] >> Could be fun.
[42:14] >> Please don't hate me. I know I know 20%
[42:17] of you will be like, "Yeah, I I actually
[42:18] think you're right, Tali." And the rest
[42:19] of you will be like, "Hang him."
[42:21] Literally just murdered the rest of you
[42:23] are like [ __ ] Andor in season 1
[42:25] shooting shooting the guy. I'm like, "I
[42:27] think there's I think there's like room
[42:29] for an AP grind."
[42:30] >> [laughter]
[42:31] >> I think there's
[42:33] right, like say you could maybe earn the
[42:35] equivalent of two or three of these
[42:37] nodes per week or something. But it's up
[42:39] to you to kind of incrementally work up
[42:42] to that.
[42:43] >> than one a week cuz like how many nodes
[42:44] are there in total?
[42:45] >> there are loads of them. There are tons
[42:46] of them. I get what you're saying. It's
[42:48] you know, it's effectively the same
[42:49] thing, but just the way you acquire it
[42:52] feels different in that rather than
[42:54] getting one item, one green thing you
[42:56] get a you know, incremental path.
[42:58] >> I think having a grind where you can
[42:59] achieve something is really is good
[43:01] actually.
[43:01] >> Yeah.
[43:02] >> Oh, and yeah, obviously
[43:03] in this day and age it would be
[43:04] account-wide as well. So, that'd be
[43:05] brilliant.
[43:06] >> Yeah.
[43:07] >> But like, you know,
[43:08] those of you who only listen to our
[43:09] podcast and don't watch any videos or
[43:11] our streams or anything, you you will
[43:13] know that I I laugh a lot at ritual
[43:15] sites cuz I think they're dumb and I
[43:16] haven't really done any. I don't really
[43:18] see the point. But that's not to say I
[43:20] don't want them in the game, you know,
[43:21] they're just not for me. But in the last
[43:23] week I I got a character to max level
[43:26] and I wanted to just like gear them up
[43:27] in hero gear
[43:29] and I literally went out there and I
[43:32] spammed the ritual site that was up
[43:34] probably about 50 times. Like got all
[43:37] the field accolades I needed. And I
[43:38] loved it. I loved doing that. I loved
[43:40] that it was up to me. I loved that I
[43:42] could get as many field accolades as I
[43:44] saw fit. Like I wasn't capped. I wasn't
[43:47] like, "Oh, have you done the thing you
[43:48] need to do to earn your one field
[43:50] accolade this week which you can spend
[43:52] as you see fit and everyone basically
[43:53] gets it." No, I was like, "I need
[43:55] thousands of field accolades right now.
[43:57] So, I'm going to go out and get them. No
[43:59] one can stop me. It's going to take me a
[44:00] long time. It's going to be hard, but I
[44:03] did it and it actually felt really good
[44:06] because it's something that doesn't
[44:07] really exist in the game much anymore.
[44:11] >> That's a good point actually. Kind of a
[44:12] kind of in endless grind should you want
[44:15] it or need it, right?
[44:16] >> gives you a sense of control. It gives
[44:19] you a sense of What's the word I'm
[44:21] looking for? Not passiveness of of
[44:25] uh
[44:26] you know, being in control of of
[44:28] um
[44:31] you know, like
[44:31] >> agency
[44:32] >> Yes, thank you. Agency. Gives you a
[44:33] sense of agency. In that you know, you
[44:35] need you see a thing you need, you don't
[44:37] have to like there's no lockout you're
[44:39] waiting for, there's no cap on on you
[44:41] doing it. You just go out and get it.
[44:42] Like how Torghast just got a million
[44:44] percent better when they didn't cap how
[44:46] much like legendary dust or whatever it
[44:48] was you could get every week. And you're
[44:50] just like, "Oh [ __ ] I can now run this
[44:52] 50 times in a week if I want to."
[44:54] Yeah, and I'm I'm going to run it 50
[44:55] times this week and then I'm never going
[44:58] to run it again, but that's actually a
[44:59] much more enjoyable experience than
[45:00] being forced to run it twice per week
[45:02] forever.
[45:03] >> I got you. I got you.
[45:04] Yeah.
[45:05] >> Yeah, agency. I I I and I feel like with
[45:07] these talent trees, what certainly what
[45:09] the Omnium Folio lacks is agency cuz
[45:11] you're just like you're waiting for the
[45:13] week. And when the week comes, you're a
[45:14] bit more powerful. And then the next
[45:15] week comes, you're a bit more powerful.
[45:17] And it would be nice if they were just
[45:18] like just grind the [ __ ] out of it, man.
[45:20] >> Yeah.
[45:21] >> You know? Like like they did with dragon
[45:22] riding when Dragonflight launched. They
[45:23] were like, "No, you can just you can max
[45:25] out dragon riding day one. You can go
[45:26] fly around getting the shit."
[45:27] >> Just go for it. Yeah.
[45:28] >> Yeah. Like it felt awesome. It felt
[45:30] amazing. And it felt revolutionary cuz
[45:31] they hadn't been doing that. And we do
[45:33] seem to be getting back into this like
[45:34] just got to wait for it now.
[45:36] >> Yeah. I I get what you're saying though.
[45:37] I think there definitely is space for
[45:39] that kind of grind, that kind of mindset
[45:42] without it, you know, cuz they're all
[45:43] about like, "Hey, we want to make this
[45:45] accessible. We want to make it easy for
[45:49] you people who are busy playing other
[45:51] games." Haha haha as if you play other
[45:53] games. And living your lives. Haha. What
[45:55] lives? [laughter] Like you know, we want
[45:57] to Yeah, we want to like kind of
[45:59] streamline processes, but I think in
[46:01] doing that they've they've almost
[46:02] removed like the
[46:04] the greediness of the grind, right? So,
[46:07] I I get what you're saying there. I
[46:08] think there might be room for that.
[46:09] >> Yeah. I I I think so, too. Um so, people
[46:12] obviously having very strong emotional
[46:13] reactions to this altar of corrosion,
[46:16] uh but I guess we'll we'll have to wait
[46:18] and see how it how it hits um uh in
[46:20] testing and stuff like that.
[46:22] Um okay. So,
[46:24] uh yeah, here's the the rare elites that
[46:26] uh spawn
[46:27] >> Yeah. Layers.
[46:29] >> layers.
[46:30] >> layers.
[46:30] >> Now, this is the This is the This is the
[46:32] feature,
[46:33] you know, which is I Okay, so it's not
[46:35] an expan- major expansion feature, but
[46:37] it's a major uh patch feature.
[46:39] And you're like
[46:41] it's a bit like the feeling I got from
[46:44] Torghast when they announced it, from
[46:47] uh war fronts when they announced it.
[46:49] It's that feature where you're like,
[46:50] "Oh,
[46:52] I don't understand."
[46:54] >> Yeah.
[46:55] >> That's the kind of thing I'm going to
[46:55] really need to see happening.
[46:58] I love that it's a new idea. They should
[47:00] definitely have led with this, you know,
[47:02] because it's new. It's a new concept.
[47:04] It's a new idea. And you're like, "Oh,
[47:05] here's the new thing that the uh the
[47:06] zone is doing." Like, so can you explain
[47:09] uh what you understand about this to us,
[47:10] Abby?
[47:10] >> So, layers are
[47:12] >> [laughter]
[47:13] >> I think they they kind of maybe shot
[47:16] themselves in a foot in the feet
[47:18] >> in fins, in scales.
[47:20] >> Yeah. By describing these as world
[47:22] bosses or framing them as like evolved
[47:25] world bosses, because the concept of a
[47:27] world boss is it is in the world and it
[47:29] is out there and, you know, but like uh
[47:33] so, these are they say an evolution on
[47:35] world bosses in instances
[47:38] uh that are kind of around and uh but
[47:42] they have scaling difficulty.
[47:44] So, they go from
[47:45] >> Everything's got scales this [ __ ]
[47:46] patch mate.
[47:49] That's my second scale joke in two
[47:50] sentences, by the way.
[47:51] >> We've got a good weekly reset skit uh
[47:53] kind of that we can
[47:55] >> Oh, what we?
[47:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just something to do
[47:57] with like scaling. Oh, great.
[47:59] Yeah.
[48:00] Yeah, yeah. Done. Good. It's done.
[48:03] So, yeah. So, they are kind of they're
[48:06] kind of like delves delve locations.
[48:09] But with a big world boss in it that
[48:11] scales all the way up to mythic.
[48:13] Flexible mythic, mind you. Cuz that's
[48:15] how we roll now. We're flexible. 15 to
[48:18] 25 players.
[48:19] Uh
[48:20] and that's it.
[48:21] >> Yeah.
[48:21] >> They're they're kind of scaling
[48:23] difficulty world bosses and instances.
[48:26] >> They're called layers.
[48:27] >> If all this is is like standard world
[48:30] bosses but like instanced off
[48:33] >> Mhm.
[48:33] >> I don't like it.
[48:34] >> Mhm.
[48:35] >> Um
[48:36] If you'd told me and this is not how it
[48:38] works by the way. Like looking at the
[48:39] UI, this is not how it works.
[48:41] >> Mhm.
[48:42] >> A really modern MMO idea and what I
[48:45] think Guild Wars 3 is going to lean very
[48:47] heavily into
[48:48] is like auto dropping groups. I think
[48:51] Guild Wars 3 is going to be very much
[48:53] like you are out in the world auto
[48:55] grouping, auto dropping to like like
[48:58] instances, right? Like little little
[49:00] mini dungeons and like events and stuff
[49:02] like that. Yeah, exactly. I think
[49:03] they're going to lean really heavily
[49:05] into like the auto dropping of groups
[49:07] and stuff like that. And if you told me
[49:09] that's what they were doing here where
[49:11] you enter this kind of like
[49:13] space and you know, you drop into a
[49:16] group and maybe there's just like hordes
[49:18] of trash coming at you until the group
[49:19] is formed and then the boss kind of like
[49:21] yeah. That would sound really cool and
[49:23] fresh and modern and like
[49:24] >> Yeah, that would
[49:25] >> an interesting concept. And um
[49:27] but I don't think that is what it's
[49:28] going to be. I think it's going to be
[49:29] group finder. I think you're going to
[49:32] not have to join and and it will be kind
[49:33] of like auto find on the group finder
[49:35] like like world bosses are now, you
[49:36] know. Um
[49:38] but then you'll go in and yeah, if it is
[49:41] literally just a fix lag
[49:43] then I don't like it. If they're if if
[49:46] they use the opportunity to make these
[49:48] different. So, the fact that it scales
[49:49] up to mythic automatically makes it feel
[49:51] a bit different. You know, if they're at
[49:52] different difficulty levels. Are they
[49:54] going to be proper mechanics? Like, not
[49:57] raid boss level mechanics, but I'll see.
[50:00] Um, but, you know,
[50:00] >> not world boss mechanics, I think.
[50:02] >> If If I join a mythic world boss,
[50:04] >> Yeah.
[50:05] >> like, can I expect that we will need
[50:07] there to be healers in that group? That
[50:09] that we will need there to be tanks in
[50:10] that group? That I will need to know
[50:12] something about the mythic fight that
[50:14] I'm stepping into, otherwise I'm
[50:16] probably going to die.
[50:17] >> On the scale of like world boss and raid
[50:20] boss, where does this sit?
[50:21] >> Right.
[50:22] >> And that's a really fine line. I don't
[50:23] know what the answer is because, like,
[50:24] to a certain extent, content like this
[50:26] is super annoying if it's got too many
[50:28] mechanics and too much to know.
[50:30] >> want to like you know, I want to fly in.
[50:31] I want to go. I want to do it sometimes.
[50:33] But for people who want a challenge,
[50:36] >> are introducing a mythic difficulty, I
[50:38] think I think there is an expectation
[50:39] there that's like, "Okay, well, you
[50:41] might not survive if you don't know what
[50:42] you're doing here." Or if you're not
[50:43] geared enough. Or And I hope it's not
[50:44] just a case of, "Are you geared enough?
[50:47] Can you survive this damage?" Like, "Can
[50:49] you chip away at this this health?" I
[50:52] hope it is a thing of like, "Oh,
[50:53] mythic?"
[50:54] >> There's some mechanics.
[50:54] >> At the very least, it's like you have to
[50:56] know
[50:57] to all run off of the floor when the
[51:01] boss starts flashing red cuz the floor's
[51:02] about to disappear. Like, just something
[51:04] like that, right? You know? Like like
[51:06] the star dragon in Mists of Pandaria, in
[51:10] like
[51:11] Throne of Thunder, which I think the
[51:13] star dragon is like the perfect LFR
[51:16] boss, like the best LFR boss ever made.
[51:18] It's got like one mechanic where if you
[51:21] don't know it, you will die.
[51:23] >> Mhm.
[51:23] >> Like, that [ __ ] starts flashing,
[51:25] that floor is about to disappear. You
[51:28] know? Like, if you don't know that,
[51:30] >> Mhm.
[51:30] >> you will die.
[51:31] >> Yeah.
[51:31] >> And it's literally just a knowledge
[51:32] thing. And it's like, "Okay,
[51:34] it's a very easy mechanic. You just get
[51:36] off the floor before it disappears. But
[51:38] if you don't know, you are going to
[51:39] die." And like, the amount of times you
[51:41] see just like back in Mists, you saw
[51:43] just a whole LFR groups just plunging to
[51:45] their death. It's like, "Okay, now I
[51:47] know."
[51:48] You know? But like and I think that's
[51:49] perfect for LFR. Like one mechanic that
[51:52] you need to know that will kill you.
[51:54] >> Yeah.
[51:54] >> Um and it's super easy to deal with, but
[51:56] you have to know it.
[51:57] >> to know it. Yeah. So, you're not like
[51:58] chipping away for like 10, 20 pulls, but
[52:01] you you might not necessarily get it in
[52:03] the first one either.
[52:04] >> And so, Blizzard have to find that
[52:05] balance. I'm glad it's them having to do
[52:07] it, not me, cuz I can just talk [ __ ]
[52:08] about it, but I don't actually have to
[52:09] make it. Um where yeah, there is that
[52:11] thing of like, "Mm, okay, well, how how
[52:14] much are we expecting from our groups in
[52:15] Mythic?" Like how how much knowledge
[52:17] Like I suspect there'll be zero
[52:19] coordination needed, and I think that'll
[52:20] be the correct decision. But I think
[52:22] personal knowledge about where you have
[52:25] to stand when this thing happens. Like
[52:27] >> Mhm.
[52:27] >> "Oh, you need to stand behind a rock
[52:29] when this [ __ ] happens. You need to turn
[52:30] around and not be looking at the boss
[52:32] when they do the big flash." Right? Cuz
[52:34] otherwise you get dazed or something. Uh
[52:36] there's [ __ ] like that. Like and and
[52:38] finding that line between there is some
[52:41] level of challenge there, but also it's
[52:43] not just super [ __ ] annoying and
[52:44] impossible. Like I I don't envy them
[52:46] having to try and balance that.
[52:47] >> No. Um so, yeah. So, the it's this Oh,
[52:50] it's called the lair. The lair will be
[52:52] available for testing in a later PTR
[52:54] builds.
[52:56] >> Oh, the lair?
[52:57] >> The lair.
[52:58] But then it's also described as layers.
[53:00] I'm just reading it on this uh PTR post.
[53:03] Introducing layers.
[53:04] >> Yeah.
[53:05] >> Described as layers, but also the lair.
[53:06] I don't know. It could just This could
[53:08] just
[53:08] >> These ones are the these. These
[53:10] >> Yeah, I'm reading I'm reading a
[53:11] different uh different
[53:13] >> Oh, okay.
[53:13] >> post.
[53:14] >> Yeah, no, I think I think it's going to
[53:15] be multiple.
[53:16] >> Yeah.
[53:16] >> Yeah, for sure.
[53:17] >> Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um yeah.
[53:20] >> So, the Ultra Fangs is the new dungeon.
[53:21] Three bosses. We know Spoiler, but we've
[53:24] already had it in this. We know that
[53:26] Zul'jan is the boss, the final boss of
[53:28] that.
[53:28] >> Nice.
[53:29] >> We know that he probably turns into a
[53:30] snake at some point.
[53:31] >> Sick.
[53:31] >> Hopefully he'll stay as a snake. I God,
[53:33] I really hope he stays as a snake.
[53:34] >> I I could go I could go either way.
[53:36] >> I'm so into the idea of him becoming a
[53:37] goody and being our friend now, and you
[53:39] know, helping us fight against the rest
[53:41] of like the void and the rest of the
[53:42] [ __ ] like thing, but being a snake
[53:45] now, I just think that would be really
[53:46] cool.
[53:47] >> I don't want to I don't want to punish
[53:48] him too much.
[53:49] >> No, but but he would actually like
[53:51] learn to love being a snake.
[53:53] >> Oh, okay.
[53:53] >> He'd be like, you know what and you
[53:54] know, like you go and talk to him in
[53:56] last Titan and you'd be like, how do you
[53:58] how you feeling about being a snake now?
[53:59] And he's like, you know what? I actually
[54:00] kind of like it. If someone chops my
[54:02] tail off, it grows back. And
[54:05] yeah, there's there's a good [ __ ] about
[54:06] it, man. Look how long my tongue is. I
[54:08] just feel like, you know,
[54:11] I always I always
[54:13] you know, I was always at odds with with
[54:15] some of my people and now that's kind of
[54:16] visualized, you know? It's like, yeah. I
[54:19] I think that's awesome. I think that's
[54:20] really really cool.
[54:20] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[54:22] >> I like it.
[54:23] And the venomous abyss and it's so
[54:24] green, it's so shiny, it's so trolly.
[54:27] There was some speculation when we were
[54:29] talking about this other raid, sorry.
[54:30] When we were talking about this on
[54:31] stream that there would be like Titan
[54:33] elements to this because obviously Okay,
[54:35] so Ulatek is the baddie. You had some
[54:37] thoughts about Ulatek.
[54:39] >> I did have some thoughts about Ulatek. I
[54:41] think Ulatek looks absolutely sick.
[54:43] >> Yeah, but like about their motivations
[54:45] and stuff.
[54:46] >> Oh, oh, yeah, before.
[54:49] Um
[54:50] Like I I you know, oh, right. So, the
[54:52] way that Ulatek was described in in the
[54:55] Wowcast is like Ulatek is a vessel of
[54:58] hatred. You can't say that cuz that's
[55:00] Diablo. Ulatek is
[55:02] Ulatek is full of hatred and venom and
[55:07] and you know, Zul'jin
[55:09] >> creature of hatred, corruption, and
[55:12] venom.
[55:13] >> There you go. Has been unleashed by
[55:15] Zul'jin's actions. Okay, a bit of a
[55:17] spoiler. Now, the way the way they're
[55:19] framing
[55:20] >> wait for that story quest in two weeks.
[55:21] I wonder what's going to happen.
[55:24] >> So, you know, the way Ulatek is framed
[55:26] is like bad, very bad Ulatek. Obviously,
[55:29] Ulatek is going to be a boss, the final
[55:31] boss of the raid.
[55:33] And I think you You
[55:36] I want to think that we're not just in
[55:39] it to destroy Ula'tek. Well, I think
[55:41] there's more of like a you know, maybe
[55:43] there's a bit of
[55:45] redemption is the wrong word. Like
[55:47] you know, maybe maybe we set Ula'tek
[55:49] free. Like maybe we need to you know
[55:52] >> It's pretty pissy that she's down there
[55:53] honestly, if you think about it.
[55:54] >> Yeah, yeah. And uh
[55:56] >> They they summoned her from the rift of
[55:57] Aln.
[55:58] >> Yeah.
[55:58] >> And then she defeated the big K'thirix
[56:01] monster for them. And then they were
[56:03] like, "Well, she's mean."
[56:04] >> Yeah.
[56:05] >> with the big K'thirix monster. And you
[56:07] know what? I think you might be on to
[56:08] something. There is some data mining out
[56:09] there apparently with big spoilers. So,
[56:11] I haven't read that yet. I haven't had a
[56:12] chance to catch up on that yet. I didn't
[56:13] actually know that was there. So, this
[56:15] is your chance guys who are aware of the
[56:17] data mining to judge these predictions
[56:21] uh virgin and pure as they are.
[56:22] >> don't spoil people in the
[56:23] >> Don't spoil in the chats. I don't want
[56:25] to know. I'm going to look it up myself.
[56:26] >> to know.
[56:26] >> But yeah, I mean look, there is there is
[56:28] someone
[56:30] very very conspicuous by their absence
[56:33] here.
[56:33] >> Mhm.
[56:33] >> Because we know that Ula'tek was locked
[56:36] away with K'thirix, the baddie that she
[56:39] was fighting. And there doesn't seem to
[56:40] be any K'thirix in this raid.
[56:42] >> Mhm.
[56:43] >> Like I'm just saying, the final boss is
[56:46] Ula'tek and that means, you know,
[56:49] is there someone you forgot to ask?
[56:51] >> Yeah.
[56:51] >> [laughter]
[56:52] >> I consent I consent, but K'thirix is
[56:54] like,
[56:55] "Did you forget to ask?"
[56:56] >> So, they've So, they've listed
[57:00] uh Venomous Abyss Raid testing schedule.
[57:02] >> Ooh.
[57:03] >> Uh and with it of course they've listed
[57:05] the bosses. Okay.
[57:06] >> Um
[57:07] >> And
[57:08] uh we have Nixxondra, the Soul Coiler.
[57:10] >> Mhm.
[57:11] >> The Tortollan Explorer.
[57:13] >> No.
[57:14] >> I'm not fighting Tortollans.
[57:15] >> No.
[57:15] >> I'm not FIGHTING TORTOLLANS.
[57:16] >> NO.
[57:17] >> AW, MAN. OKAY, Entombed Sentinels.
[57:21] >> Cool.
[57:21] >> Nice. Uh
[57:23] >> The Unwilling Vessel sounds [ __ ]
[57:25] awesome.
[57:25] >> Yeah, exactly. Well, that's where I get
[57:26] So,
[57:27] >> Yeah, Zorak, Vashj'ir the Malignant, The
[57:30] Twin Fang.
[57:31] >> Don't say the the name of the first one
[57:33] right at the very top cuz that's a
[57:34] spoiler I I've been really good at not
[57:35] spoiling.
[57:36] >> Ah, okay.
[57:37] >> Okay.
[57:37] >> Uh, and uh,
[57:39] the you know, the the last boss
[57:43] Ulatek is called the unwilling vessel.
[57:46] >> Is that Ulatek?
[57:47] >> I think so.
[57:49] >> 1 2 3 4 5 6 That's seven bosses.
[57:51] >> Yeah. Oh, no. Okay.
[57:52] >> So, Ulatek is
[57:54] What Ulatek won't be tested for the
[57:55] unwilling vessel if the unwilling vessel
[57:57] is not Ulatek it's someone else.
[57:58] >> Yeah. But
[57:58] >> unwilling vessel could be anything. It
[58:00] could be like
[58:00] >> It could be
[58:01] >> necessarily need to be like lore
[58:03] important, but equally it could be very
[58:05] lore important. Absolutely. Yeah,
[58:07] exactly.
[58:07] >> Um
[58:08] >> Interesting.
[58:09] >> um, so yeah, so my my thinking is, you
[58:11] know, my hope is that we don't just go
[58:13] there and just murder Ulatek. Like Like
[58:17] >> [laughter]
[58:17] >> Like I I just I just don't I don't I
[58:19] don't want that to happen, right?
[58:21] >> Yeah, I know. So, Ulatek Okay, people
[58:23] asking in chat where we know Ulatek
[58:24] from. So, it's actually a really
[58:26] interesting story. Ulatek, um,
[58:30] in the original drawings of the maps,
[58:33] the concept maps for vanilla wow,
[58:35] >> Mhm.
[58:35] >> like uh, the original concepts, Zul'Aman
[58:38] is there, Eversong Woods is there, Kul
[58:40] Tiras is there,
[58:42] uh, and there is this big island off the
[58:44] east coast of uh, Zul'Aman called the
[58:47] Isle of Fangs.
[58:49] Uh, and you know, Ulatek is said to be
[58:51] there, who is
[58:53] at that point a snake loa.
[58:55] >> Yeah.
[58:55] >> Now, later on that obviously never made
[58:57] it to vanilla. Obviously never made it
[58:58] to BC.
[58:59] But then in the RPG,
[59:02] uh, the Warcraft RPG, which obviously
[59:04] isn't canon unless they decide it is
[59:07] like they did with Derek Proudmoore.
[59:09] >> Oh, yeah.
[59:09] >> Um,
[59:10] Derek Proudmoore Katrana Proudmoore
[59:12] Katrana, I think it was from the RPG.
[59:14] Um,
[59:15] um,
[59:17] there it went into a bit more detail
[59:18] about Ulatek. She you know, she wasn't
[59:21] quite a loa, she was actually summoned
[59:22] in the RPG by the Dark Iron Dwarves to
[59:26] be a partner for Ragnarok.
[59:30] >> Oh, is he lonely?
[59:33] >> I mean, they were like, "We can get you
[59:35] a partner.
[59:36] And we're filling out your
[59:37] dating profile. And we're like, "What
[59:39] are you really looking for in a
[59:41] partner?" And he's like, "Snake [ __ ]
[59:44] honestly. Just just snake [ __ ] please.
[59:46] That'd be awesome."
[59:48] And and so and and that was kind of the
[59:49] end of it, right? But, you know, in
[59:51] Chronicle,
[59:53] we learned that Kith'ix was buried under
[59:56] Zul'Aman,
[59:57] which
[59:58] kind of, you know, added an extra
[60:01] element there as well.
[60:03] And then, in BFA,
[60:06] there is, in the Sethrak zone, or this
[60:09] part of the zone, there is You know that
[60:11] when you when you release Mythrax,
[60:14] >> [clears throat]
[60:15] >> who is also a Black Empire general, and
[60:17] he attacks like the Ziggurat and stuff
[60:19] like that.
[60:21] Well, obviously, the part of the zone
[60:23] where you summon him by mistake in BFA
[60:25] is called the Isle of Fangs.
[60:28] And in the original data,
[60:32] the Mythrax model was called Kith'ix.
[60:35] So, it seems like in BFA, they were they
[60:37] were going to do
[60:39] They were like, "Oh, well, we we cut all
[60:40] the
[60:41] We're never going to go back to
[60:42] Zul'Aman. We're never going to do all
[60:44] this stuff. So, let's just put it in
[60:46] like Zandalar instead and do that. Isle
[60:50] of Fangs, Kith'ix, let's go.
[60:53] Snake people, you know." And then and
[60:55] then at some point, they obviously got
[60:56] cold feet on that, and they were like,
[60:57] "Ah, actually, no, no, we might go back
[60:59] to Zul'Aman. Let's change it Change it
[61:00] up Change it up." And they forgot about
[61:01] the Isle of Fangs, but they changed
[61:02] Kith'ix to Mythrax and like all that.
[61:05] So,
[61:06] we're back on Kith'ix now, and Kith'ix
[61:07] is
[61:08] confirmed to be a thing, like confirming
[61:11] the Chronicle thing, in the the quest
[61:13] which comes in a couple of weeks, which
[61:15] no spoilers, but who knows what's going
[61:16] to happen. And um
[61:19] Yeah, they they They
[61:20] Ulatek to defeat him from the rift of
[61:23] Aln. So, she's just like a scared
[61:24] monster like all the monsters are after
[61:25] the rift of Aln, right? And
[61:28] and she did
[61:29] and she was like, "Hey, I beat you guy
[61:31] for you." And they went, "No, you're
[61:32] scary. Get in there with him."
[61:34] >> [laughter]
[61:35] >> And
[61:36] and so, yeah, I I think your theory that
[61:38] she you know, she's just like she just
[61:40] wants to be let out, honestly.
[61:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. She does. She does. And I
[61:44] think and I think the unwilling vessel
[61:45] is Zul'jin.
[61:46] >> You reckon?
[61:47] >> I think so.
[61:47] >> Oh, as a snake man?
[61:48] >> Yeah, I think she I think, you know,
[61:51] he's imbued with power against his will.
[61:53] >> Uh yeah, you know what? You're probably
[61:56] right.
[61:56] >> think so.
[61:57] >> I think that could be Zul'jin as well.
[61:59] Then he'd be a dungeon boss and a raid
[62:00] boss.
[62:01] What a dude. Has anyone been a dungeon
[62:03] boss and a raid boss in the same patch?
[62:05] That's awesome. That's That's hot.
[62:07] That's hot [ __ ]
[62:08] >> Yeah.
[62:08] >> Yeah.
[62:09] >> I mean, I I love Zul'jin. I think he's
[62:11] super cool. So.
[62:12] >> Yeah. Um so, anyway, that's the thing
[62:13] behind Ulatek. And yeah, so it makes me
[62:16] think like the conspicuous lack of
[62:19] Kith'ix here and your theory that Ulatek
[62:22] could actually turn out to be okay.
[62:23] >> Mhm.
[62:24] >> Uh like it makes me think about that one
[62:26] boss raid that's coming in 12.1.5.
[62:30] And it feels like that would be perfect
[62:31] for Kith'ix.
[62:33] You know, we we kind of like
[62:37] you know, settle Ulatek down. She's all
[62:39] like,
[62:41] "Ah
[62:41] uh well, I don't like these troll guys
[62:43] cuz they locked me in here, but you seem
[62:45] okay. You're powerful. I respect that.
[62:47] Whatever." And then Kith'ix is also
[62:49] released and he's like, "Hey, do you
[62:50] want to help us beat Kith'ix?" And she's
[62:51] like, "I [ __ ] love beating Kith'ix.
[62:53] Let's go." And then maybe she helps us
[62:55] out in the in the raid, right?
[62:57] >> Yeah. Maybe.
[62:58] >> Could be.
[62:59] >> Yeah. Maybe. Who knows?
[63:00] Could be. Um I It is a rich vein. I'm
[63:04] I'm
[63:04] >> Like I said, we haven't seen those those
[63:06] data mining spoilers yet. So.
[63:08] >> So, we could we could be completely off
[63:09] the mark.
[63:10] >> Yeah.
[63:10] >> Yeah.
[63:12] >> [laughter]
[63:13] >> No, there are no people sitting here
[63:14] like that. That was 10 minutes we talked
[63:15] about that [ __ ] and they're so off the
[63:16] mark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[63:17] >> [laughter]
[63:19] >> Um yeah, so
[63:21] uh the Venomous Abyss Altar of Fangs
[63:24] dungeon uh raid. Uh new delves.
[63:27] >> The Ring of Glory.
[63:31] Oh, actually it looks like the ring I I
[63:33] said the Ring of Glory Oh, no, the Ring
[63:34] of Glory is now side one. Lots of ghosts
[63:36] cheering in the Ring of Glory.
[63:38] Yeah, all the people that have died in
[63:40] the Ring of Glory, they they still love
[63:42] the Ring of Glory so much they they
[63:44] can't stay away. They keep coming back
[63:45] for a bit of Ring of Glory.
[63:47] And they're like Ring of Glory. Ring of
[63:50] Glory. Let's go. I'm going to be farming
[63:53] that Ring of Glory. I'm going to be
[63:54] farming
[63:54] >> welcome to uh Touchpad Warriors raid.
[63:57] Welcome.
[63:58] >> Oh, the Touchpad Warrior. Hi, sorry.
[64:01] Nice to see you. We're talking about the
[64:02] Ring of Glory.
[64:04] >> So you'll feel right at home.
[64:06] >> Yeah. Um
[64:08] >> [laughter]
[64:08] >> It's like
[64:09] Touchpad Warrior's alarm went up. It was
[64:11] like someone's talking about the Ring of
[64:12] Glory. Let's get to the to the glory
[64:14] mobile.
[64:16] To the Touchpad copter. Let's go.
[64:19] >> [laughter]
[64:20] >> Um yeah, I don't I'm going to be farming
[64:22] the [ __ ] out of the Ring of Glory. Oh,
[64:24] wait. Hang on. I didn't
[64:25] That one I didn't [laughter] mean.
[64:27] But I will be. There's going to be not
[64:29] There's not going to be a smidgen of
[64:30] loot left in that. I'm going to I'm
[64:32] going to clear that one out. Oh my
[64:35] goodness. I'm going to pillage that Ring
[64:37] of Glory.
[64:40] Me and Balera.
[64:43] >> Oh, I forgot that she's there with you.
[64:45] >> Yeah, she's coming. Oh, she wouldn't
[64:46] miss this one. Are you kidding?
[64:49] She wouldn't shut up about the Ring of
[64:50] Glory.
[64:51] Wouldn't she know?
[64:54] >> Oh, wait. That That reminds me. So we
[64:57] will talk about delves in a second, but
[64:58] there's more prey. But I love how they I
[65:01] love how they position prey. They're
[65:05] like "Good news, everyone. Astalor has
[65:08] some new lines."
[65:10] >> [laughter]
[65:11] >> Get your [ __ ] mate.
[65:12] >> Um
[65:13] >> It's like join me in the ring of glory.
[65:16] >> Yes, please God, please.
[65:18] >> Uh I know that actually some interesting
[65:19] things about hunts which we'll we'll get
[65:20] on to in a second. But um uh yeah,
[65:23] but I'm I'm finished talking about this.
[65:24] Um so I think I think a Valera will
[65:27] obviously have some new levels and stuff
[65:29] to really just like lubricate the
[65:31] process of of
[65:33] uh you know, looting the ring of glory.
[65:36] Just uh kind of like, you know, like
[65:38] grease the wheels a little bit.
[65:40] >> Oh.
[65:40] >> So when you're plunging in there,
[65:42] really just kind of like
[65:46] >> Well.
[65:48] Anyway,
[65:49] >> delving deep.
[65:50] >> Are you done?
[65:50] >> Mm yeah.
[65:51] >> Okay.
[65:54] So Ring of Glory, Nar'alador Isle.
[65:57] >> Now Nar'alador Isle I know I'm rocking
[65:58] an awesome name.
[65:59] >> Yeah, Nar'alador Isle is perfect. And
[66:01] the Venomfall Deeps is the Oh, Venomfall
[66:04] Deeps is the Nemesis boss.
[66:06] >> I don't know. I think it's harder than
[66:07] the last Nemesis.
[66:09] Two easy. I I actually two shot that and
[66:11] I would have one shot it if I'd been
[66:13] paying attention.
[66:13] >> [laughter]
[66:15] >> I know, I would have one shot it if I
[66:17] hadn't just switched from No, that was
[66:20] it. I went in a shadow.
[66:21] >> Yeah.
[66:22] >> And like halfway through the fight, I
[66:24] was like
[66:25] huh, this is pretty easy. If I was to
[66:27] switch to disc, I would one shot this.
[66:31] Like I like if I was discipline priest,
[66:33] this this guy would not be touching me.
[66:35] And this was on like the hardest
[66:36] difficulty right?
[66:37] >> Mhm.
[66:38] >> And it was thinking about that that
[66:39] distracted me and I died. And then I
[66:41] swapped to disc, but I pulled him
[66:45] just swapped from shadow to disc, right?
[66:46] So I had zero mana. Your mana goes to
[66:48] zero. And I pulled him and I hadn't
[66:50] noticed.
[66:51] >> Oh.
[66:52] >> And I tried to cast some spells. I'm
[66:53] like, oh, I can't cast spells right now.
[66:55] Oh, [ __ ] I didn't get my mana back
[66:58] after changing spec, but I still one
[67:00] shot him as disc even though I had zero
[67:02] mana.
[67:02] >> Well done. [laughter]
[67:03] >> On the hardest difficulty, yes. And I
[67:04] was like, that's probably a bit too
[67:06] easy, isn't it? And that was week one.
[67:07] It wasn't like I was geared up or
[67:08] anything.
[67:09] >> No, exactly. So I I was like, yeah, I'd
[67:11] like I'd like to see it maybe be a teeny
[67:12] tiny bit bit harder.
[67:14] >> this new guy, I'm a big fan of his silly
[67:17] little face.
[67:18] >> He's so goofy.
[67:19] >> He's so
[67:20] >> [laughter]
[67:20] >> And love how And he's not goofy in a
[67:21] [ __ ] way like the Dominos. He's goofy in
[67:23] a brilliant way.
[67:24] >> Exactly.
[67:24] >> Yeah. It's like you don't have to be
[67:26] [ __ ] just cuz you're goofy.
[67:27] >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um I I really
[67:29] love the look of him, so I hope he's
[67:31] going to be a fun nemesis boss.
[67:33] Um and they're going to be introducing
[67:35] new snake and venom variants.
[67:37] >> Love that.
[67:37] >> Existing delves.
[67:38] >> great in War Within when all the delves
[67:40] just became really like gobliny all of a
[67:41] sudden. It was like It was It was cool.
[67:43] >> Yeah. I like that. Yeah.
[67:44] >> Um and then Midnight season two
[67:46] Okay.
[67:48] We're going to fly through this cuz I
[67:48] want to get to like the new stuff that's
[67:50] been in like posts and stuff like that.
[67:51] But we've been talking about out of
[67:54] proportion emotional reactions and how
[67:55] justified they are, honestly, and how
[67:56] it's not actually our fault.
[67:57] >> Absolutely.
[67:58] >> I think probably the biggest
[68:00] uh emotional reaction from many of us
[68:03] came when we saw this [ __ ] dog [ __ ]
[68:05] mythic plus rotation.
[68:06] [ __ ] this [ __ ] Now, things I like about
[68:10] it, honestly. The new dungeon of the
[68:11] Franks, yeah. New dungeon in the mythic
[68:13] plus rotation always good. Like
[68:15] completely fresh, completely new. No
[68:16] one's even seen it before. Brilliant.
[68:17] That's like the the highlight of the
[68:19] mythic plus season for me. Last time we
[68:20] had that Well, actually last time we had
[68:22] that was in Echo Dome, but Echo Dome was
[68:23] a good dungeon, as well. I enjoyed that
[68:25] in the mythic plus rotation.
[68:26] >> You know what? Yeah.
[68:28] >> Uh the Waterworks one, the Operation
[68:30] Floodgate, one of the best dungeons in
[68:32] the entire game.
[68:33] >> Okay.
[68:33] >> Like so good.
[68:35] Love that Yeah, yeah, I know. I I don't
[68:36] think that's a controversial opinion. I
[68:37] think a lot of people would agree. Um
[68:40] Ultra Franks, who knows if it's going to
[68:42] be good, but I love that it's there.
[68:44] Brilliant. Happy about that. Murder Row,
[68:46] bang a [ __ ] dungeon. Potentially the
[68:48] best dungeon in this expansion. That
[68:51] [ __ ] is legit. The bosses have like
[68:53] super fun mechanics even on the very low
[68:54] difficulties. Yeah. Like it's got a kind
[68:57] of wandering around town bit, but it's
[68:58] not annoying like the Suramar dungeon.
[69:00] It's like very It's quite streamlined.
[69:02] People are going to hate like the job
[69:03] bit, but maybe they'll scale that down a
[69:04] bit for the next season. Exactly. And
[69:07] like yeah, brilliant. [ __ ] I I love
[69:09] Mother Ro. I think it's going to be one
[69:10] of the most fun Mythic Plus dungeons of
[69:12] the entire season.
[69:13] >> And I also love the idea of like making
[69:14] really really high key pushers like
[69:16] literally sweep the floor. You know,
[69:18] it's like it's like no no no. You
[69:21] >> [laughter]
[69:21] >> you sweep this floor. You serve those
[69:23] guests.
[69:24] >> Den of Nalorak can [ __ ] right off. That
[69:26] can eat [ __ ]
[69:27] >> Oh, I know. That's a shame, isn't it?
[69:29] >> of Nalorak in [ __ ] concrete and fire
[69:32] into the sun. Wrap it up in like
[69:35] like a a nuclear waste container and
[69:38] dump it in the North Sea. No, I want to
[69:40] love Den of Nalorak. It's the best
[69:42] looking dungeon in the entire
[69:45] expansion. It looks so great. I love the
[69:47] whole concept of it.
[69:48] But in practice, it's miserable. On on
[69:52] like lower difficulty levels, it's so
[69:55] miserable. And you just know if you've
[69:57] ever played a Mythic Plus dungeon in
[69:59] your life, you know how much that is
[70:01] going to [ __ ] suck. It's got the
[70:04] worst gauntlet I've ever seen in a
[70:06] dungeon. Like the blowy snow gauntlet.
[70:09] It blows. It's horrible. It's terrible.
[70:11] I I hate it. It's going to be bad. No
[70:13] one's going to like it. The Blinding
[70:14] Veil potentially a really really good
[70:16] Mythic Plus dungeon, I think. Like I I
[70:18] always love going in there. Void Scar
[70:19] Arena could could really go either way,
[70:21] honestly. Yeah.
[70:22] >> Yeah.
[70:22] >> And then we get into the returning
[70:23] dungeons, which I was really looking
[70:25] forward to cuz I think that I think the
[70:26] season one set such a good precedent
[70:29] with its returning dungeon.
[70:31] >> Yeah, nice thematic.
[70:32] >> Well, not only that, but it had two
[70:33] dungeons
[70:35] like in in Spires of Arak and Pit of
[70:38] Saron that had never been Mythic Plus
[70:41] dungeons before. They were old dungeons
[70:42] that had never been Mythic Plus. So, it
[70:43] felt like two new Mythic I was literally
[70:45] two new Mythic Plus dungeons. And it
[70:47] felt brilliant. I thought I thought
[70:50] that was a sign of things to come. I
[70:53] That filled me with hope. I was like,
[70:55] "Oh, this is a thing they're doing.
[70:56] They're going back and they they they
[70:58] farming these old dungeons and turning
[71:00] into Mythic Plus and they're working
[71:01] really well. Pit of Saron and Spire of
[71:03] Arak are two of my favorite dungeons in
[71:04] season 1. I was like, yeah, okay. Like
[71:07] there's a there's Algeth'ar Academy in
[71:08] there and it feels really soon to be
[71:10] having a
[71:11] Dragonflight dungeon, but at least it's
[71:13] not Ruby Life Pools, I thought to
[71:15] myself. Could be a lot [laughter] worse,
[71:17] right?
[71:18] And you know, I think in the future I
[71:19] think in future seasons we will see like
[71:23] like and you know
[71:25] I was thinking Wrath dungeons.
[71:27] >> Yeah.
[71:27] >> You know, all those troll dungeons from
[71:29] Wrath. You know, be brilliant to have
[71:31] >> there's so many all the Zuls.
[71:33] >> Oh, good, yeah.
[71:33] >> All the Zuls.
[71:34] >> Exactly, all the Zuls. Line up the Zuls,
[71:36] put them on the table, line them up. And
[71:38] so
[71:40] when I say that I was crushing the
[71:41] disappointed by the returning dungeons
[71:43] in this list, King's Rest, great
[71:45] dungeon. I know that lots of people in
[71:46] in this
[71:47] chat will disagree with me, but I'm
[71:48] actually looking forward to that.
[71:50] There's a bit of a weird gauntlet in
[71:51] King's Rest, but okay, whatever. Ruby
[71:53] Life Pools, [ __ ] off, Hades, you die.
[71:55] >> [laughter]
[71:57] >> Burn with fire. Nope. And you know what?
[72:00] I don't even care if it's like it maybe
[72:01] it's a good dungeon or not. I can't even
[72:02] really [ __ ] remember.
[72:04] >> Mhm.
[72:04] >> But all I know is I don't I just don't
[72:06] want a [ __ ] Dragonflight dungeon.
[72:07] >> exactly. You remember how it felt,
[72:09] right?
[72:09] >> not want a Dragonflight dungeon.
[72:12] >> I know.
[72:12] >> I don't want a Dragonflight dungeon in
[72:13] this [ __ ] Mythic Plus rotation,
[72:15] especially not this dog [ __ ]
[72:16] Dragonflight dungeon.
[72:17] >> I know.
[72:18] >> I don't want it.
[72:19] This is
[72:21] I freely admit a disproportionate
[72:24] emotional reaction. Okay?
[72:26] >> At least you acknowledge it.
[72:27] >> I do acknowledge it.
[72:28] >> Yeah.
[72:28] >> But also, it's a disproportionate
[72:30] emotional
[72:31] reaction which I think is justified and
[72:33] which Blizzard should have predicted and
[72:35] which many many people are having. Like
[72:38] you go down into the comments of this
[72:39] this
[72:39] >> Oh, and people are like "I disagree."
[72:41] >> Everyone's like "Fuck off, Ruby Life
[72:42] Pools. What the fuck?"
[72:43] >> [laughter]
[72:44] >> So, you know, and Temple of Sethraliss,
[72:47] which man, look, I felt I I was talking
[72:50] on stream about this yesterday. I was
[72:51] like, we've had that come back in Mythic
[72:53] Plus before, right? And people were
[72:54] like, "No, it's never come back. We only
[72:56] ever had it in BFA."
[72:58] I was like, "Well, why do I feel like
[72:59] it's been back in Mythic Plus before?"
[73:01] It's because like in BFA, we had it for
[73:02] four seasons. Cuz back in the day,
[73:06] you had like just eight or eventually,
[73:08] if you were lucky, 10 dungeons that were
[73:09] your entire rotation for the entire
[73:11] expansion. The expansions were longer
[73:13] back in those days as well. You know,
[73:15] and like so it's just so ingrained that
[73:17] it feels like it's been back loads of
[73:19] times in Mythic Plus, but it hasn't. So,
[73:21] I don't know. But,
[73:23] this is the season of the gauntlet, man.
[73:25] Because Temple of Sethraliss has like a
[73:27] very long gauntlet in it and a very
[73:29] annoying gauntlet in it.
[73:31] Uh my memory of it certainly, right,
[73:33] it's been a while, but I I think King's
[73:34] Rest has like a small gauntlet in it.
[73:41] And then Den of Naralex, which is
[73:43] [ __ ] gauntlets up the wazoo, the
[73:44] worst gauntlet in the entire game. If
[73:46] you don't like gauntlets, if you're not
[73:49] Thanos,
[73:50] you're going to [ __ ] hate this
[73:51] season.
[73:52] Jesus Christ, whose [ __ ] idea was it
[73:54] to put [ __ ] Temple of Sethraliss with
[73:58] Den of Naralex, gauntlet city?
[74:01] >> Well, they might you know, those will be
[74:02] tuned. Those will be nerfed. Like they
[74:04] might gauntlets might be removed
[74:06] completely right?
[74:07] >> be. They're like major mechanics.
[74:08] >> Well, they you know,
[74:09] >> No.
[74:10] Well, maybe you're right. I hope you
[74:12] are.
[74:12] >> I mean, that would be my expectation,
[74:14] but
[74:14] >> New prey. One of the things we've seen
[74:15] in articles about prey when they go into
[74:18] a bit more detail about it is one of the
[74:20] options once you get to the end of your
[74:22] renown tree in season 2 with prey is
[74:25] custom hunts.
[74:27] Uh which I'm assuming you get to choose
[74:29] who you're hunting
[74:30] >> Yeah.
[74:31] >> right? That that seemed But, we don't
[74:33] know anything else about it from there.
[74:34] But, that just sounds very intriguing. I
[74:35] like the sound of that. Cuz hunts are
[74:36] good. We like hunts.
[74:38] I'd like some changes in hunts. I'd like
[74:39] I'd like to get rid of the whole kill
[74:41] for me thing.
[74:42] I mean, they kind of have changed that,
[74:44] but like the idea that I can just like
[74:46] have to go and have a wee.
[74:48] >> Mhm.
[74:48] >> But when I come back I'm dead.
[74:51] I know, man. It just makes me like
[74:54] I'm not sure.
[74:55] >> Oh.
[74:55] >> Yeah. Uh
[74:57] I don't know.
[74:57] >> Uh right. Um new fixes, new targets, uh
[75:02] new hunt on the Coiled Isle, new voice
[75:05] lines. Oh, and some new Arcanum quests.
[75:07] >> Oh, do you know what? I'm glad. I love
[75:09] the Arcanum. I like the No, I think it's
[75:11] cute. As long as it's not
[75:12] >> like it's really flopped. I feel like
[75:14] it's Yeah, I feel like I've I went in
[75:16] there, I did some quests, and maybe it's
[75:18] cuz I'm not using it to its full
[75:20] potential.
[75:21] >> you're not doing it, it's kind of what
[75:22] you might guess.
[75:23] >> Um
[75:24] hey, man. Like like you're not You're
[75:25] allowed to not like it, but I I've made
[75:26] sure I did all the quests every week,
[75:27] and I really enjoyed it. And like it
[75:29] takes 5 minutes. You get to see some
[75:31] cool some people having a chat.
[75:33] It is what it is. It's just like flavor,
[75:34] right? It's just a bit of world
[75:35] building. It's just a bit of like lore
[75:37] delivery. I like it. So,
[75:39] >> So,
[75:40] >> that's everything that was in the
[75:41] announcement. We're not going to talk
[75:42] about PvP cuz I can't be bothered. Oh,
[75:43] the cool down manager stuff. Great.
[75:44] Really well done. So, um lots of ping
[75:48] functionality, and lots of really great
[75:50] stuff for healers being able to isolate
[75:52] individual buffs and and like
[75:54] like things on their bars with on their
[75:57] raid frames, which you really really
[75:59] need uh cuz we need to get people to
[76:01] stop using add-ons for their raid
[76:02] frames. When we were in uh
[76:04] the the mythic raid last night,
[76:08] we'd been wiping on what I thought was
[76:11] stupid little things. Like people
[76:12] There's these two mobs, right? There's
[76:14] like a purple mushroom mob, and there's
[76:16] like a green mushroom mob, right? And
[76:19] you have to put all the purple mushrooms
[76:20] over one place if you get fixated. And
[76:22] if you get fixated by a green mob, you
[76:23] have to put them in a different place.
[76:24] And people just put them in the wrong
[76:25] place all the time. And I was like,
[76:27] "I don't understand why people are
[76:28] getting this wrong. Like it's really
[76:30] obvious. You can see it on screen." And
[76:32] people were like, "Yeah, but like if
[76:33] only there was some way that it appeared
[76:35] like on my raid frames or something."
[76:37] And I was like, "Well, it it does. Like
[76:39] the literal icon of which color
[76:44] mushroom is is fixating you appears like
[76:47] the icon like it's a purple mushroom or
[76:49] a green mushroom and it appears on your
[76:51] on your raid frames and it turns out
[76:53] that only happened on the standard raid
[76:56] frames. Anyone who's using add-on wasn't
[76:58] getting that information at all and
[77:00] that's why people would didn't know what
[77:02] what kind of mushroom was following
[77:03] them.
[77:04] And that's why we getting the wrong all
[77:05] night and it's like yeah like raid
[77:07] like not for the first time in season
[77:10] one rating
[77:11] people who weren't using the standard
[77:13] raid frames were getting absolutely
[77:14] gimped.
[77:15] >> Yes.
[77:15] >> Blaming Blizzard.
[77:17] It was like no that information is
[77:18] there. Very often like I remember in the
[77:20] first week of like
[77:22] Void Spire there was all that talk about
[77:23] dragons and about Chimaeras and the
[77:26] debuffs into Chimaeras and stuff it's
[77:28] like it's just not appearing. There's no
[77:30] way of knowing and with Paladins as well
[77:32] it seems stupid to think about now but
[77:34] it's like I can see it. I know exactly
[77:36] what's going on. Like I've seen all
[77:38] these debuffs man. I'm getting all cuz
[77:39] I've got the standard raid frames. Like
[77:42] so yeah you should healers you should be
[77:43] using standard raid frames that's what
[77:44] I'm saying. And this will make it much
[77:46] easier for you with all these things and
[77:48] they had to be nice to healers
[77:51] because
[77:53] they're also being horrible to healers
[77:54] with this ping system because there's
[77:56] some brilliant things about this ping
[77:57] system. You can ping abilities to show
[78:00] where they are in their cool down.
[78:01] >> Very useful.
[78:02] >> [ __ ] useful. If you're if you're a
[78:04] tank and your mitigation is on cool down
[78:05] and you know there's a big hit coming
[78:06] you can ping that mitigation and
[78:08] everyone will see that it's on cool down
[78:10] and the healer knows to drop something
[78:11] on you for that for that hit right and
[78:14] that's that's great. Um
[78:17] you know if if you can ping your big
[78:19] damage as as someone who gives PI like
[78:22] power infusion I want to know when my
[78:24] DPS in a dungeon are hitting their
[78:27] damage cool downs and if you ping that
[78:30] when you hit it
[78:31] and I've got PI up I'm going to put PI
[78:33] on you right cuz like and I think And
[78:35] really good there's like so many
[78:37] like potential for that.
[78:39] However,
[78:40] one thing that they're definitely going
[78:41] to cut, they're not going to keep this,
[78:42] they're going to get rid of it because
[78:43] people are going to like wrong.
[78:45] Is pinging your health to let everyone
[78:48] know what your health is.
[78:49] >> That's fine.
[78:50] >> No, it's not.
[78:51] >> That
[78:52] >> This is a healer's worst nightmare. Are
[78:54] you [ __ ] kidding me? People pinging
[78:57] their [ __ ] health. It's like, [ __ ]
[78:58] I can see.
[79:00] I can see. I'm a healer. I'm literally
[79:02] looking at your raid frame your health
[79:04] bar right now. It's all I look at. I'm a
[79:06] healer. All I do is I sit here playing
[79:08] [ __ ] Whac-A-Mole. IF THERE'S ONE
[79:09] thing I'm aware of, if there's one thing
[79:11] I'm aware of, it's how much [ __ ]
[79:14] health you've got. Okay, I don't know
[79:15] anything else. I don't know what I don't
[79:17] know what casts are going off that need
[79:18] interrupting. I don't know where the the
[79:20] damage is, but I know what your health
[79:22] is. You don't need to [ __ ] ping that.
[79:24] >> Did you see Did you see that they are
[79:25] also introducing a like a sound and a
[79:29] ping that goes off when you miss an
[79:31] interrupt?
[79:31] >> Now, that's brilliant.
[79:32] >> That's [ __ ] up.
[79:33] >> That is the single best feature that has
[79:37] ever happened.
[79:39] >> I mean, they're going to be a little
[79:40] icon that goes off over your head when
[79:41] you miss an interrupt.
[79:43] >> When you waste [laughter] your
[79:43] interrupt, it's going to be like
[79:46] That's SO EVIL.
[79:47] >> THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S SO THAT'S SO EVIL.
[79:49] >> BUT, I mean, it's really useful.
[79:52] >> [laughter]
[79:52] >> It's going to be so good. I can't wait.
[79:55] And also,
[79:56] >> That's so That's like
[79:58] >> but also, it's just going to be going
[79:59] off above prop paladin's heads all the
[80:00] time. Every time they cast their shield
[80:02] and it didn't interrupt someone, it's
[80:03] going to be like
[80:05] >> [laughter]
[80:06] >> It's going to be so good. It's going to
[80:07] have some
[80:08] >> Oh, but I I think generally this ping
[80:10] system sounds really good, but not the
[80:11] health thing.
[80:12] Not the health thing. Holy [ __ ] It's
[80:14] going to be the worst. Oh my god, I
[80:17] don't like it. I don't want it, but the
[80:19] general idea and the functionality
[80:20] behind it really cool and actually very
[80:21] modern MMO feeling and
[80:23] I like even the picture. Health 100%.
[80:25] [ __ ] off. Get out of here. You're going
[80:28] on block. You are going on block, my
[80:30] friend. Ain't no [ __ ] way. And you
[80:32] know what? I know exactly who in our
[80:33] guild are going to use it all the time
[80:34] as well.
[80:35] >> [laughter]
[80:38] >> Um but otherwise otherwise really cool.
[80:40] Now, housing updates, this is really
[80:41] exciting.
[80:42] >> Yes.
[80:43] >> And the most exciting thing about these
[80:44] housing updates
[80:46] isn't even in these updates, but it's an
[80:47] implication, you know? So, first of all,
[80:50] blueprints.
[80:50] >> That's the first big
[80:51] >> You'll be able to save strings for
[80:53] individual rooms or entire houses.
[80:55] You'll be able to obviously like save
[80:57] your own rooms. Like I before you start
[81:00] taking with them and you're like, "No,
[81:02] I didn't like that." Or you'll be
[81:03] >> Oh my god, so personally just being able
[81:05] to save my rooms
[81:06] >> Yeah.
[81:06] >> and import them elsewhere, move them
[81:08] around without losing them. Like
[81:10] absolutely
[81:10] >> And also you will be able to share
[81:12] strings as well. So, housing creators,
[81:14] all you people that make amazing builds
[81:15] on YouTube, you're about to get so rich.
[81:18] Like your patrons are about to [ __ ]
[81:19] pop off. My goodness, join my patron and
[81:22] you can get all of these strings. Yeah,
[81:24] [ __ ] know it, mate. Brilliant. Now,
[81:27] there is like a downside to this and
[81:28] it's a downside that I've been
[81:29] discussing with lots of housing creators
[81:32] um in the build-up to this cuz we've
[81:33] always known strings were coming a lot
[81:35] sooner than I thought they were going to
[81:36] come.
[81:36] >> Yeah, same. I was not expecting them
[81:38] >> Um really really cool. Um but
[81:40] you know, something that
[81:42] it doesn't outweigh the the pros of this
[81:44] and I want to make that really clear.
[81:45] Like yes, we've got to have strings.
[81:47] Obviously, it makes sense. Got to have
[81:48] strings. But like there is that thing of
[81:50] like at the moment when you're going
[81:52] around someone's house
[81:55] you know they've done everything in that
[81:56] house. You know it's all their own work.
[81:59] You know they've they've placed it all,
[82:01] they've sweated, they've spent hours and
[82:02] it's impossible to make something
[82:04] without spending hours and hours on it,
[82:05] right? So, like there's something really
[82:06] beautiful about that. And you're always
[82:09] just going to be second-guessing that
[82:10] from now on. When you're just touring
[82:11] someone's house and you're looking at it
[82:12] and you're like, "Wow, this is great.
[82:13] You've done such a great job here." Or
[82:15] did you? And it's just like it's not a
[82:17] massive deal,
[82:18] you know? There there are implications
[82:20] if if you want to have like housing
[82:22] competitions and stuff like that.
[82:23] Absolutely there are.
[82:25] But you know, generally in the grand
[82:27] scheme of things it's not a big deal,
[82:28] but I think it's worth pointing out
[82:30] because it does it does undermine a
[82:33] certain joy about if you are a housing
[82:35] enjoyer and you're an other people's
[82:37] houses enjoyer, like I am.
[82:38] >> Mhm.
[82:39] >> My enjoyment of other people's houses is
[82:41] is going to be tempered.
[82:42] >> Yeah.
[82:42] >> And it is going to be less than it was
[82:43] before because of this feature. And I I
[82:45] I
[82:45] it's not a big deal. I'm not saying we
[82:46] shouldn't have strings. We obviously
[82:48] should have strings and everything else
[82:49] about it is brilliant. What do you think
[82:50] about that?
[82:51] >> Yeah, I I I think I I'm sad about the
[82:54] kind of influx of like, you know, the
[82:57] gold selling like player housing so
[82:59] like, you know, I remember when player
[83:01] housing started kicking off and all the,
[83:03] you know, the kind of socials really
[83:05] kicked off around it. Community started
[83:06] building. And you'd got to get this one
[83:09] account that would be me sharing all
[83:10] these like builds and stuff and then you
[83:12] realize that it's for like Sky coach or
[83:14] something, you know?
[83:14] >> and and like so those those websites are
[83:16] scumbags anyway. [ __ ] hate them with
[83:18] their shitty like AI thumbnails and
[83:19] stuff.
[83:20] >> Yeah, it's it's it's going to be nasty.
[83:21] >> Well, you know what's going to happen?
[83:22] >> Mhm.
[83:23] >> Like someone awesome, like Eppy or or
[83:27] Mego or someone, they're going to make
[83:28] these amazing strings. And they're going
[83:30] to make some of them like I either
[83:32] they'll sell them on their Patreon or
[83:34] whatever or they'll just give them away
[83:36] cuz they're [ __ ] awesome people. And
[83:37] these pieces of [ __ ] at like these gold
[83:40] farming sites, these carry sites,
[83:42] >> going to take
[83:42] >> They're going to take the string.
[83:43] They're going to change one thing. If
[83:44] they even [ __ ] bother changing one
[83:46] thing, they probably won't cuz they're
[83:47] absolute dick bags.
[83:48] >> Yeah.
[83:48] >> And they'll they'll sell them as their
[83:50] own strings. Like you have loads of
[83:51] people sharing free strings with the
[83:53] community cuz they're [ __ ] awesome.
[83:54] They just love housing. They love the
[83:55] community. And you have these absolute
[83:57] [ __ ] dick bags are going to be taking
[83:59] these strings and selling them because
[84:01] they're scum. They're pieces of [ __ ]
[84:03] >> really not um it's not ideal. So, that's
[84:05] that's obviously a downside of of
[84:07] blueprints.
[84:08] >> Yeah, and it's going to feel dirty and
[84:09] grubby right?
[84:10] >> not be able to share them. You'll be
[84:12] able to share them cross region, but not
[84:13] with China.
[84:15] >> Mhm.
[84:15] >> Yeah.
[84:16] >> Interesting.
[84:17] >> Yeah.
[84:17] >> Oh, okay.
[84:18] >> Um, I wasn't planning on it, but
[84:19] >> Well, I mean, you know, you never know.
[84:20] Um, but yeah, so you'll be able to share
[84:23] um yeah.
[84:23] >> [laughter]
[84:24] >> You'll be able to share
[84:26] uh the entire house, inside and outside,
[84:29] uh exterior or interior or just single
[84:31] rooms, which is really cool.
[84:32] >> And and also amazing is like there's
[84:34] some cool UI elements where when you put
[84:36] it in, if there's stuff that isn't that
[84:38] you don't own or you don't have, uh it
[84:40] will give you a list of the [ __ ] that
[84:41] you do have and that you don't have. Uh
[84:43] and like there's there's a whole UI for
[84:45] this. It looks amazing. So good.
[84:46] >> Yeah, there's and obviously, you know,
[84:48] there might be items that yeah, that you
[84:49] don't have. Uh yeah, it lists everything
[84:52] that you do and don't have, how many
[84:53] things you have, your your budget, your
[84:55] room budgets, everything. Also,
[84:58] uh oh, uh blueprints will have a report
[85:00] button.
[85:01] >> Oh, so if there's someone just makes a
[85:02] big dick or something.
[85:03] >> Well, or if someone steals your, you
[85:06] know right?
[85:07] >> I was thinking about big dicks. I still
[85:09] think about the ring of glory.
[85:10] >> Uh those things as well, that's also a
[85:12] thing.
[85:13] Um you can share them in chat,
[85:15] obviously. Uh and a reset button is
[85:18] coming. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[85:22] >> We want a reset button.
[85:23] >> A reset button to just clear everything
[85:25] out once
[85:25] >> There's more specific housing stuff as
[85:26] well, but we've got to fly through.
[85:27] Otherwise, we won't have uh time for
[85:28] questions. Um okay, this is the most
[85:30] exciting thing.
[85:31] >> Mhm.
[85:32] >> And not even this, but the implications
[85:33] of this.
[85:35] The pet bed.
[85:36] >> Yes.
[85:37] >> So, this is coming way sooner than I
[85:38] thought it was going to.
[85:39] >> Yes.
[85:40] >> You put the pet bed in your house, you
[85:42] get to choose a pet from your battle pet
[85:45] inventory or your companion inventory,
[85:47] and it will sleep on the bed, but also
[85:49] you can have it walk around your house.
[85:52] >> That's pretty cute.
[85:52] >> And it's going to be
[85:54] in your house for a long time. A pet
[85:56] will be walking around. Now,
[85:59] first of all, we had a little bet about
[86:00] this last night.
[86:01] >> What was it about?
[86:02] >> Yeah, you thought there would be one pet
[86:05] per house.
[86:06] >> Yes.
[86:06] >> And I said I thought you'd be able to
[86:08] have multiple pets per house.
[86:09] >> Yeah, cuz all the images were like one
[86:11] pet, one pet per house.
[86:13] >> when you were asleep, Jesse Cox
[86:15] did one of his awesome tweets.
[86:16] >> Oh, hell yeah.
[86:17] >> he was like, more stuff for housing,
[86:19] right? So,
[86:20] blueprints, pets, max house level is 12.
[86:24] >> Oh.
[86:24] >> And there are going to be large
[86:25] exteriors. So, there is going to be an
[86:27] increase in in decor limit as well
[86:30] inside. It's going up to like 5,000
[86:31] something at level 12, which is Oh my
[86:33] god, thank you.
[86:35] Dyes streamlined. There's a huge article
[86:37] on dyes. We won't get into that right
[86:39] now, but it's cool. It's really good.
[86:41] >> Uh move the entry room anywhere in your
[86:43] house. So, you can take the entry room
[86:45] to like the third floor. You have
[86:46] basements now. You have basements now.
[86:49] There we go. Simple as that.
[86:50] >> Oh, this is so good.
[86:51] >> But, I did I did reply to I don't
[86:53] usually do this with Jesse.
[86:54] >> Mhm.
[86:55] >> You know, cuz he's busy man.
[86:57] But, I was like, can you settle a bet
[86:58] between the two of us and confirm if we
[87:01] will be able to have multiple wandering
[87:02] pets in one house? Wouldn't usually ask,
[87:05] but it's for a bet.
[87:06] >> Uh-huh.
[87:06] >> So, we do have an answer to this now.
[87:08] >> Oh.
[87:08] >> And the answer is
[87:10] yeah, up to 10 can wander around inside
[87:14] a house.
[87:14] >> 10 pets.
[87:16] >> Inside one house.
[87:18] I hope the winner is happy and the loser
[87:20] is pouting in the corner.
[87:21] >> 10
[87:22] pets in one house?
[87:23] >> Yeah.
[87:24] And I replied with a vague thank, I won
[87:27] the bet. [laughter]
[87:30] Uh so, 10 pets. There you go.
[87:32] >> That's insane.
[87:33] >> 10 pets running around. And like look,
[87:34] man.
[87:35] >> Wait, doesn't that mean you need you
[87:35] need 10 beds?
[87:37] >> Well, yeah. It's but it's just a piece
[87:38] of decor.
[87:38] >> Yeah, but like it's
[87:40] >> Yeah, but you Yeah, but you would need a
[87:41] bed for each one.
[87:41] >> I'll have to like much like a real pet
[87:43] owner will have to find somewhere to
[87:44] like put it away.
[87:45] >> What Yeah, yeah. Totally. Um but you
[87:46] know, what what this means is they've
[87:48] worked out the pathing, they've worked
[87:49] out collision, they've worked out how to
[87:51] make it like things that wander around
[87:52] your house recognize that there's decor
[87:54] and to avoid it.
[87:56] But, it is exciting, but it's not
[87:57] exciting cuz of the pets. That's going
[87:58] to be lovely. I'm excited to have the
[88:00] pets. Yay. But, we all know what the
[88:02] actually exciting thing about this is,
[88:03] right? Is we are now one step away
[88:07] >> Yeah.
[88:07] >> from having our own characters
[88:10] >> Woohoo.
[88:10] >> wandering through. You know, if this
[88:13] trigger can be applied to a pet bed, it
[88:15] can be applied to a normal bed,
[88:18] and we can have our like obviously
[88:20] there's it's a bit more complicated than
[88:22] just having a pet because they're
[88:23] already in your inventory. Your
[88:24] characters aren't in your inventory,
[88:25] they're in somewhere else like, but why
[88:28] can't you attach one of your own
[88:30] characters to a bed and have them
[88:33] wandering the house?
[88:34] >> And then you need a trigger where the
[88:36] character that you are in the house as
[88:38] doesn't appear.
[88:40] So, you know,
[88:41] >> Yeah.
[88:41] >> it's like cuz you don't want to see
[88:42] yourself running around there. That'd be
[88:43] very strange. But you do want your main
[88:44] wandering around there when people come
[88:45] to visit or when you're there on an alt.
[88:47] You want like, you know, if I'm there on
[88:48] my warlock, I want my family my
[88:50] priestess to be wandering around even
[88:51] though I'm mostly in there with her and
[88:52] you know, but like so okay, there's some
[88:55] there's some finagling to do with that.
[88:56] >> Yeah.
[88:57] >> But we are now one, one and a half, two
[88:58] steps maximum away from the thing that
[89:00] literally everyone wants more than
[89:02] anything, which is having our alts and
[89:04] our characters running around the house.
[89:05] >> Yeah. I mean
[89:06] >> You don't seem as excited as me. What
[89:07] the [ __ ] is wrong with you?
[89:08] >> I'm I'm excited. I'm just skeptical. I
[89:10] think it's a lot more complex than that.
[89:12] >> You think it's Why?
[89:13] >> Yeah, cuz your character your like
[89:15] characters don't align with a pet which
[89:18] is like a set entity with parameters and
[89:21] >> like I say, that's that's like the pet
[89:23] is in the is in the inventory. It is a
[89:25] bit different, but we're still like I I
[89:28] understood from what they've been saying
[89:29] about this for months is that the the
[89:31] big stumbling block for them was
[89:33] pathing.
[89:34] >> Yeah.
[89:35] >> And and like it was like we just can't
[89:36] work out yet how to do the pathing, how
[89:38] to do like the collisions, stuff like
[89:40] that. But if if they have now, which it
[89:42] seems like they have, then boom.
[89:44] >> Okay.
[89:45] >> I'm just saying.
[89:46] >> I'm just skeptical.
[89:47] >> saying it's going to happen in like the
[89:48] next patch or whatever,
[89:50] >> pet bed.
[89:51] >> [laughter]
[89:52] >> I that that's that's just me. So, you
[89:54] know, but yeah, but if it happens
[89:56] >> god. Okay, so look, I'm going to be
[89:57] honest with you. It'd be so good and
[89:59] like I have this alt too in my house. We
[90:00] talk about this a lot. I'm not going to
[90:01] dwell on it, but you know, I like the
[90:03] idea that if I were to die,
[90:05] >> Mhm.
[90:06] >> right? If I were to pass, my house is
[90:08] still there in the guild neighborhood.
[90:09] It'll be there until they get rid of it.
[90:10] Um and people can come and visit my
[90:13] house and see my main walking around the
[90:14] house. And it'd be a nice way of kind of
[90:16] like I know that if there was someone in
[90:18] the guild that passed, I would actually
[90:20] find it really lovely to be able to go
[90:22] to their house and see their main
[90:23] wandering around. And it'd make me feel
[90:26] I don't know. It'd just make me feel
[90:27] good.
[90:27] >> Yeah.
[90:28] >> it's really important and good and I
[90:29] think it should happen. And anyway, I'm
[90:30] getting excited about it. There's more
[90:31] housing stuff as well.
[90:32] >> Yes.
[90:33] >> Uh oh,
[90:35] what was I going to say about it? I've
[90:36] forgotten.
[90:37] Uh there wasn't a There's a really
[90:38] exciting housing thing I've just
[90:40] gotten.
[90:41] >> Uh large exterior
[90:43] >> there was something else though and I
[90:44] can't It's actually like literally just
[90:46] gone from my head really really quick.
[90:47] >> Endeavors?
[90:48] >> Uh oh yeah, there's going to be new
[90:49] endeavors.
[90:50] >> Four new endeavors?
[90:50] >> Oh, there's four new endeavors, thank
[90:52] god. Um we need that cuz like I'm I'm
[90:55] done with all these endeavors now,
[90:56] honestly. I just want some more. But
[90:58] Ellie uh keyboard turner on on Blue Sky
[91:00] had some really interesting data mine.
[91:02] She I feel like she's best data miner
[91:03] these days, right?
[91:04] >> Amazing.
[91:05] >> Um
[91:06] and like aw, there's auto turulans,
[91:08] guys. There's our baddie turulans.
[91:09] >> Heck yeah.
[91:10] >> From the raid, right?
[91:11] >> them.
[91:12] >> Yeah, uh look at all these snakes. Look
[91:13] how many [ __ ] snakes there are.
[91:15] >> Yeah, I'm delighted.
[91:17] >> Yeah, there's there's yeah, so many Oh,
[91:18] no, one of the turulans is a kid.
[91:20] >> Aw, he's so cute.
[91:22] >> Boo. Okay, but the
[91:23] That was it.
[91:24] >> look at this [ __ ] owl.
[91:26] >> It's a mount. There's an owl mount.
[91:28] >> Ridiculous.
[91:29] >> It's got a tree on it.
[91:30] >> Mhm.
[91:30] >> It's still looks like a butt.
[91:31] >> It's very story.
[91:32] >> Do you like the look of public building?
[91:36] >> What is that? [laughter]
[91:39] No way.
[91:41] >> know about you, but to me this looks
[91:44] like
[91:45] >> a guild hall.
[91:48] >> No.
[91:49] >> THIS LOOKS LIKE
[91:50] >> NO.
[91:50] >> I'M just saying.
[91:53] >> Oh my god.
[91:54] >> do you think?
[91:55] >> Yes.
[91:56] >> This looks like guild hall [ __ ]
[91:56] >> 100% 1 million
[91:59] percent.
[91:59] >> Shared stable? Oh my god.
[92:01] >> Yeah, look at this shared like just
[92:03] public like
[92:05] park space thing.
[92:06] >> Please, that's insane.
[92:08] >> Yeah, I'm again and there's hoard ones
[92:10] as well.
[92:10] >> I love that so much.
[92:12] >> Same vibe.
[92:12] >> Yes.
[92:13] >> You know?
[92:13] >> Yes.
[92:15] Yes.
[92:15] >> Isn't it cool? Uh so that's big, that's
[92:17] like big big big for housing.
[92:19] >> Absolutely huge.
[92:21] >> Oh and she's actually worked out where
[92:22] they would go in each neighborhood as
[92:24] well. My god, Ellie's amazing.
[92:25] >> Wow. Oh, it's where all like the
[92:26] building sites are.
[92:27] >> Yeah, where the building sites currently
[92:29] are.
[92:29] Um so
[92:31] yeah, one day you're going to go into
[92:32] your neighborhood and possibly
[92:34] there'll be some cool community like
[92:36] places which would be aha amazing.
[92:39] And like loads of new deco.
[92:41] >> Oh, I can't wait to really play with
[92:42] >> look at this look at all this [ __ ]
[92:43] shop deco, man.
[92:44] >> Yeah. Oh.
[92:45] >> Look at all this shop deco which is
[92:47] definitely shop deco.
[92:49] >> Very tiki.
[92:50] >> Surfboards.
[92:51] >> I love it.
[92:51] >> Grills.
[92:52] >> Yeah.
[92:53] >> NEW OH.
[92:54] >> OH.
[92:56] >> FINALLY.
[92:57] >> Spiral staircase blocks. Ooh.
[93:00] >> Legos.
[93:01] >> Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, we do we do just
[93:04] want Legos that we can just plop
[93:05] together, don't we? That's And so like
[93:07] >> Legos and some other
[93:08] >> Um honestly, I'm not even joking,
[93:10] Keyboard Turner is the best follow on on
[93:12] social media.
[93:13] >> Absolutely. Do they Do they have night
[93:15] elf exteriors for community buildings?
[93:17] >> Uh no.
[93:17] >> Okay.
[93:19] We'll get there.
[93:19] >> Not that not that I've seen.
[93:20] >> there.
[93:21] >> Uh but there's there's some cool [ __ ]
[93:23] >> Wow. Wow. Okay, well, I cannot wait.
[93:25] >> Yeah.
[93:26] >> Cannot wait.
[93:27] >> There's a There's a hat with a cat on
[93:28] it.
[93:30] That's got shop written all over it,
[93:31] isn't it?
[93:32] >> flash maybe just in China.
[93:34] >> Oh yeah, possibly possibly. Lots of cats
[93:36] with hats on. Oh no, wait a minute,
[93:38] yeah. Uh well, no. Uh there's some that
[93:40] don't hide hair.
[93:41] >> Wow.
[93:42] >> Now we I obviously the the new tier sets
[93:45] are on the PTR.
[93:46] >> Yeah.
[93:47] >> Uh but we are recording a reaction to
[93:49] those straight after this podcast and
[93:51] we'll bring that as a video for the
[93:52] weekend. So look out for that one, but
[93:54] we won't be reacting to them now cuz
[93:56] Abby hasn't seen them cuz
[93:57] >> I can't have her being so excited about
[93:59] the amazing
[94:00] troll set yet.
[94:02] >> Yes.
[94:02] >> Yeah. There's more things we need to
[94:04] talk about really quickly.
[94:05] >> Yeah.
[94:05] >> There is massive changes to end of game
[94:07] gearing in patch 12.1. This is like hot
[94:10] [ __ ] [ __ ]
[94:11] >> really big.
[94:12] >> Bonus rolls are sticking around, be
[94:14] available in the vault straight away,
[94:16] one a week you'll be getting as bonus
[94:18] rolls. It's like just proper way of
[94:19] getting guild uh
[94:19] >> Perfect. I love them. Give them to me.
[94:22] >> Yeah, uh and then you'll be able to get
[94:23] extra ones starting week eight.
[94:25] >> Yeah.
[94:25] >> Um uh later on as well.
[94:27] >> Raid rolls only one coin?
[94:29] >> Don't mind if I do.
[94:30] Uh raid rewards are buffed in the vault.
[94:33] >> Wow.
[94:34] >> So,
[94:35] to kind of combat the fact that gearing
[94:37] in mythic plus is like it's just so much
[94:39] better vault-wise than raid, cuz you
[94:42] know, you can just like pop tens and
[94:43] your vault is full of mythic like mythic
[94:46] mythic plus gear.
[94:46] >> Mhm.
[94:47] >> Um
[94:49] in news that is going to be beautiful
[94:51] and wonderful
[94:52] to
[94:53] heroic guilds in particular like ours,
[94:56] like ahead of the curve guilds,
[94:59] heroic vault slots from doing heroic
[95:02] raid bosses will now reward the lowest
[95:06] tier of mythic gear.
[95:07] >> That's crazy.
[95:08] >> Which is awesome.
[95:10] >> That's insane.
[95:10] >> So, like you you get your your eight
[95:13] heroic bosses and you've got low level
[95:16] which needs a bit of upgrading mythic
[95:18] gear in your in your vault, which is
[95:20] like
[95:22] Uh for for ahead of the
[95:24] ahead of the curve guild guilds, that is
[95:25] massive. That is massive because like
[95:27] there's been a lot of talking
[95:28] >> been missing Yeah, you guys have always
[95:30] been like you know, you do your heroics
[95:32] and you get [ __ ] gear from the vault.
[95:35] So, you just buff up with keys and then
[95:37] you you're like, "Why am I doing
[95:38] heroics?" Yeah, right? It's
[95:40] >> Um a a a huge change to the catalyst as
[95:42] well. And this is pretty I like this
[95:44] even more than the uh the the vault
[95:45] thing.
[95:46] >> is a bit crazy, but it could be fun.
[95:47] >> When you catalyze gear
[95:49] into tier set token into tier gear, it
[95:52] will keep the secondary stats that were
[95:54] on the gear
[95:56] >> Mhm.
[95:56] >> that you So, like it won't change to the
[95:59] secondary stats of the tier set. It's
[96:01] like So, if if if there's gear out there
[96:02] that is better secondary stats than the
[96:04] tier set stuff,
[96:05] >> Mhm.
[96:05] >> then you want to be finding that beyond
[96:07] the gear set beyond the tier set stuff,
[96:09] right? Um and that's amazing. And And it
[96:11] will keep any extra special effects on
[96:13] it as well, which is amazing because
[96:15] like holy [ __ ] it's so it's so [ __ ] if
[96:17] you get like a belt or something that
[96:20] has like a special raid effect on it and
[96:22] you're like, well, not belt is a
[96:23] terrible example cuz that's not tier,
[96:24] but you know what I mean, like
[96:26] and then you can you have to catalyze it
[96:28] to get your four-set or whatever and
[96:28] you're going to lose that effect and
[96:29] it's like, well, is it better to have it
[96:31] in tier or is it better to have it? No,
[96:32] [ __ ] all that [ __ ] It's like, yeah, you
[96:35] just want to get the best gear with the
[96:36] best secondaries you can get and like
[96:38] cool magic effects on them if you like
[96:39] and then just catalyze that [ __ ] It's
[96:41] going to keep all that stuff on it, but
[96:43] it's also going to be tier.
[96:44] >> Yes, it is.
[96:45] >> I love it.
[96:46] >> Very cool.
[96:47] >> So good. Awesome for transmog, awesome
[96:49] for gameplay.
[96:50] >> Yeah.
[96:50] >> Like I There's nothing I dislike about
[96:52] any of this news. It's brilliant.
[96:54] >> Mhm.
[96:55] >> Uh the Ascendant Venom Stones, that's
[96:57] what they're called now, Venom Stones
[96:58] and Void Stones, uh which is the thing
[97:00] that like increases the item level of
[97:01] those things later in the season. Those
[97:03] are coming back as well, but they're
[97:04] going to work on necklaces as well as on
[97:06] weapons and on rings. And that's great
[97:08] as well, isn't it?
[97:09] >> Yeah.
[97:09] >> Awesome changes, like really really good
[97:12] changes. Happy about that.
[97:13] >> And loads of class changes as well. I
[97:15] had a quick look through Hunter and
[97:16] >> We're not going to go through the class
[97:17] changes, uh but the general philosophy
[97:19] of the class changes is that they uh in
[97:22] a blue post they're saying that they
[97:23] want to uh reduce the impact of of uh a
[97:29] lot of damage cool downs. A lot of
[97:31] classes right now feel like you're
[97:33] basically just like pinching people for
[97:37] a minute and a half
[97:38] and then going absolutely crazy and I I
[97:40] didn't think they'd get out of that
[97:42] two-minute rotation so quickly. I'm
[97:45] really glad they have.
[97:46] >> Yeah, same.
[97:47] >> Um I This is this is really really good
[97:48] news. Like, it was probably right to
[97:51] make the classes that straightforward
[97:53] at the beginning of this expansion
[97:54] because of the whole add-on situation,
[97:56] but it's good to see that they clearly
[97:58] are thinking about adding a bit more
[98:01] depth and complexity to them in that
[98:02] sense. And you can see that in the tier
[98:03] set bonuses as well, by the way, but we
[98:05] won't go into those right now.
[98:06] >> Yeah. Um, but yeah, huge huge changes uh
[98:09] coming to all classes. Go on the PTR,
[98:11] have a quick look. Uh, all in their
[98:13] notes. Delighted to see some changes to
[98:16] Hunter and Marksmanship in particular.
[98:18] >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
[98:19] >> Woo.
[98:20] >> Um, so that's that's beautiful. That's
[98:22] just an awesome wonderful thing. Like,
[98:23] so much Anything else I missed that you
[98:25] saw kind
[98:25] >> Uh,
[98:27] that that seems to be Oh, there's a
[98:29] Discord integration uh now coming uh
[98:31] >> We thought that was going to be the
[98:32] case, didn't we?
[98:33] >> Yeah, yeah. So, I think part of this
[98:34] kind of bit wider social initiative
[98:36] where you'll be able to link your uh
[98:38] guild chat with Discord chat. Uh, it
[98:41] will be specifically linked to like one
[98:42] channel on your Discord. So, don't fear
[98:45] about all of like your spicy stuff, you
[98:47] know,
[98:48] >> Yeah.
[98:48] >> being to pull directly into the WoW
[98:50] client. But, it does raise some
[98:51] questions around like, you know, if I
[98:53] say [ __ ] on my Discord,
[98:57] if it goes directly into what you know,
[98:59] like I have to So, you know, just
[99:02] just be mindful of your
[99:04] Discord integrated
[99:07] channel
[99:08] uh that goes into guild chat. It's just,
[99:09] you know,
[99:10] just have to
[99:11] >> Hadn't even thought, honestly.
[99:12] >> Yeah.
[99:13] >> Yeah, that's Oh, well, that's also good
[99:15] There's something we've completely
[99:15] forgotten, actually. There's actually a
[99:16] B plot going on with Azshara.
[99:17] >> Yes.
[99:18] >> and uh like the hunt for Azshara and
[99:20] stuff like that, which is great because
[99:21] it like clearly that plot is taking uh a
[99:23] back seat for this patch.
[99:25] >> Yeah.
[99:25] >> Um, and we're looking at some like there
[99:27] might be some void kind of linking with
[99:29] uh Xavius and stuff like that. But, uh
[99:32] I'm really glad that they are still
[99:33] staying in touch with that.
[99:34] >> Mhm.
[99:35] >> Um, and having the hunting for his
[99:36] parents and Azshara and like presumably
[99:39] leading into whatever 12.2 is going to
[99:41] be, right? So, and I think that's
[99:42] probably enough. Or do you think like
[99:44] does this patch feel like too much of a
[99:46] step away from the main line plot for
[99:47] you?
[99:47] >> No, I love it. Like I I loved Undermine.
[99:50] I like I like a detour for a point one
[99:53] patch. I think it's fun. I think it's
[99:55] needed. I feel oversaturated with
[99:57] purple. Like I just don't really want to
[99:59] see Zul'jin for a little while. I'm okay
[100:01] not seeing her for a while. I want to
[100:03] focus on trolls. That would make me feel
[100:05] good.
[100:06] >> Yeah, definitely. The the Armani and
[100:09] devil looks good.
[100:09] >> Yeah.
[100:10] >> Man, holy [ __ ] Love me some trolls.
[100:13] >> Armani. Great and he's still a troll and
[100:15] he's still an Armani. I want my playable
[100:17] snake Armani.
[100:18] >> Yes.
[100:19] >> You know, I want my playable like new
[100:21] new allied race Zul'jin snake Armani.
[100:25] Look, I just want to I just want to go
[100:26] out there one one more time and say how
[100:27] in favor I am of Zul'jin staying as a
[100:29] snake.
[100:30] >> Okay.
[100:30] >> I I want him to be
[100:32] like a nice character who teams up with
[100:34] us now after this raid, but he's a snake
[100:35] forever now. And you know why that'd be
[100:37] so good from a storytelling point of
[100:38] view? Is because his whole motivation is
[100:41] he's like he's all about the Armani,
[100:43] right? And he's he's like essentially an
[100:45] Armani nationalist and he's like
[100:47] everyone else sucks. It's all about the
[100:49] Armani. Everything I'm doing, all this
[100:51] [ __ ] stuff I'm doing basically, it's all
[100:53] about the pride of the Armani. And so
[100:55] like not being an Armani anymore would
[100:58] actually kind of help him see the world
[100:59] from a different point of view and kind
[101:01] of like he's a snake now. So he's like
[101:03] yeah, seems kind of silly how like just
[101:05] I still love the Armani. It's still what
[101:06] I am.
[101:07] >> Yeah.
[101:07] >> But now I'm technically not one anymore.
[101:10] >> Yeah.
[101:10] >> I I just think it would be a really good
[101:11] window for him to kind of change his his
[101:13] viewpoint and stuff and like and to
[101:14] learn and evolve and literally see
[101:16] things from a different point of view
[101:17] and also shed his skin now and then.
[101:19] >> [laughter]
[101:20] >> And lay eggs.
[101:21] >> Oh, but that's like a
[101:22] >> If someone's sleeping, it's like be
[101:24] careful. Zul'jin's around. He will he'll
[101:25] swallow you.
[101:26] >> No, but it's a nice kind of like
[101:27] metaphorical like you know, shedding
[101:29] your skin.
[101:30] >> he he Exactly. Exactly. I I I haven't
[101:33] thought of this yet. They should cuz I
[101:34] think it's I think it's a very good
[101:36] metaphor. I think it's very cool. And
[101:37] also, we get to have a friend who's just
[101:39] a snake troll then, and I think that
[101:40] would be awesome. I just think that
[101:42] would be really good. I just think it
[101:44] would be great if it was a snake troll.
[101:46] >> Just like really rubbing it in the face
[101:48] of people who want playable like Amani
[101:50] body types and snakes.
[101:52] >> Yeah, yeah.
[101:53] You want this? None of this. If he if he
[101:55] had two heads like a troll like an ogre
[101:57] as well, it would be like, I'm just
[101:59] everything everyone's ever asked for but
[102:00] never got.
[102:01] >> [laughter]
[102:01] >> And already with the little snake tail
[102:03] that's basically like Naga.
[102:05] You know, it's
[102:06] >> [laughter]
[102:07] >> just taunting us. Just trolling us.
[102:09] >> Yeah, totally.
[102:09] >> As it were. Yeah.
[102:11] >> Brilliant. And we're going to have to do
[102:12] some questions. We're going to have to
[102:13] do some super chats.
[102:13] >> super chats now. Thank you guys. Thank
[102:15] you to everyone who
[102:17] dropped super chats. Thank you to
[102:19] everyone who has just been listening.
[102:22] Lovely lovely to see you guys. Our first
[102:23] one is up from Alexi Galaxy Moose
[102:26] Muscles.
[102:28] Do you think myth gear should be this
[102:29] easy to obtain? Bonus rolls and easy
[102:32] mythic plus when everyone had full myth
[102:33] gear and had a full set super early in
[102:36] the season. Hero raid giving myth track
[102:38] and vault is a good thing though.
[102:40] >> I think it's a good thing.
[102:41] >> I think it's a good thing.
[102:42] >> I I can only go by like my experience in
[102:45] the season. So, if other people have
[102:46] different experiences, let me know.
[102:49] But,
[102:50] you know, my big worry at the start of
[102:52] this season when everyone was like,
[102:53] "Wow, I love how quickly I'm getting
[102:54] gear. It feels so good. Yay." You know,
[102:57] I was being a bit of a party pooper and
[102:58] I was like, "Oh, I like it, too."
[103:00] But, my big worry is that obviously it's
[103:03] going to have an effect on the longevity
[103:04] of the season. Like, what about my
[103:05] guild? You know, my heroic guild. You
[103:07] know, we're going to blast through this
[103:09] [ __ ] and we did.
[103:11] And but
[103:12] in my experience anyway, my my worries
[103:14] have proven
[103:15] unfounded because actually, you know, we
[103:17] have pushed on into mythic. Actually,
[103:20] our raid season has lasted longer than
[103:21] any other season I can think of because
[103:23] of that. And I think the ease of access
[103:25] to the gear actually really helps that.
[103:27] So, at least in my experience,
[103:29] I was worried about the gear being too
[103:31] easy making me lose interest in the
[103:33] season sooner. But that hasn't happened.
[103:36] In fact, the opposite has happened. So,
[103:38] just from my point of view and what what
[103:40] my season would be like, I've kind of
[103:42] got to give credit to Blizz. They kind
[103:43] of They were right and I was wrong,
[103:45] maybe.
[103:46] They say that, you know,
[103:48] gear progression was a bit faster than
[103:49] they had intended, and they're looking
[103:51] at that for next season. But I I don't
[103:53] think it's had a negative impact on this
[103:54] season. Um certainly in my experience.
[103:57] Do you have a different view on that?
[103:58] >> I know, I mean, I I do not have a full
[104:00] set of myth gear
[104:01] to, you know, to be fair. I haven't
[104:03] really been pushing for it, but I do I
[104:05] do love how it is like accessible and
[104:08] acquirable now. You still have to work
[104:10] for it. And yeah, maybe it was a bit
[104:12] quick in the in the first season.
[104:13] Hopefully they have learned some things
[104:15] along the way. But it feels like they're
[104:17] still making it like relatively easy to
[104:20] access. I don't think that's a bad
[104:22] thing. I think that's a that's a good
[104:24] motivator.
[104:25] I like it.
[104:27] I'm in. I'm down.
[104:28] >> Sorry,
[104:28] people in the chat were just reminding
[104:30] us that snakes tend to have two penises.
[104:32] >> I don't I don't need to know that.
[104:34] >> All the more reason.
[104:35] >> I don't need to know this.
[104:36] >> All the more reason that this needs to
[104:37] happen.
[104:40] >> Um
[104:40] >> Where's Where's Where's Snakes will jam?
[104:43] Where's he gone? He's at the the Ring of
[104:44] Glory.
[104:45] >> Oh god.
[104:45] >> As usual.
[104:47] >> Um thank you for that one, Alexi Galaxy
[104:49] Moose Muscles. Next one is History Nerd
[104:51] Kevin, our beloved friend Demon Crat.
[104:54] Lovely, lovely, lovely to see you,
[104:55] friend. Thank you for tuning in, and I'm
[104:57] glad we could do this live at a time
[105:00] conducive to you.
[105:01] >> Yes.
[105:02] >> Thank you for joining the team. Love it.
[105:05] Um next one is 100% not Thunders. Lovely
[105:08] to see you, not Thunders. Also member of
[105:11] the team.
[105:12] >> love to Thunders if you see him.
[105:13] >> Yeah. I see you tried to do a cheeky
[105:15] early stream without me, but jokes on
[105:16] you. I had to stay up until the early
[105:18] hours to build my sister's PC.
[105:22] >> [laughter]
[105:22] >> Oh, well done. Sweet, man.
[105:23] >> What a dude. Much love from the fam, and
[105:25] so hyped for Wild Future. Yeah, same. I
[105:27] this patch announcement just like made
[105:28] me feel good.
[105:30] >> I liked it. I liked the vibe. I liked
[105:32] the approach. Um it it excited me a bit.
[105:36] That's all I can ask for these days.
[105:38] >> Yeah, totally, man. Look, dude, I'm
[105:40] hyped to be going to a a poison island.
[105:42] >> Yeah, poison island, huge housing
[105:44] changes. I'm really excited to see how
[105:45] the community is going to adapt to
[105:47] having blueprints that
[105:48] >> going to change the game.
[105:49] >> That's that's next level.
[105:51] >> it.
[105:51] >> Next level stuff. I love it. Um and
[105:54] another one from not Bundas. Uh oh, a
[105:56] question. Are we getting an Argus
[105:58] BlizzCon announcement instead of last
[106:00] Titan? This next patch doesn't feel end
[106:03] of expansion, at least not
[106:05] >> hope it's not. Uh no, you know we're
[106:07] going to go to the core way in
[106:09] uh in 12.2, right? And we're going to
[106:11] we're going to help defend the world
[106:12] soul against the the hordes of
[106:14] Xal'atath's like voidy people, right? Um
[106:19] and as long as we know that's what's
[106:21] happening
[106:23] uh before BlizzCon, they're they're free
[106:25] to announce. Hey, dude, it's happened
[106:27] before.
[106:29] Like it's it's happened before. They
[106:30] announced uh
[106:32] the N'Zoth patch in BFA.
[106:35] >> Mhm.
[106:36] >> And that [ __ ] was not out.
[106:37] You know? Like had they even announced
[106:39] it by the time they had to announce
[106:40] Shadowlands in BlizzCon?
[106:43] Cuz I remember Ion being up on the stage
[106:44] and being like, "Well, I don't want to
[106:45] give anything away, but
[106:48] you know, assuming that the heroes are
[106:50] victorious in their final battle,
[106:53] we're going to go into the next
[106:54] expansion." So, like there is kind of
[106:56] like a precedent there. Um you know, of
[106:59] being a patch ahead when the next
[107:01] expansion is announced. So, I I I I just
[107:03] can't see them not announcing Last Titan
[107:05] at at BlizzCon. I just can't see them
[107:07] not doing it.
[107:07] >> I know, me neither. I think I think it's
[107:09] definitely going to be at BlizzCon. They
[107:11] need a moment, right? They really they
[107:12] really need that even just for a
[107:14] marketing perspective. Like they need
[107:17] >> Yeah.
[107:17] >> They need the Last Titan moment.
[107:19] >> And everyone's talking about uh
[107:20] obviously project Camelot that got found
[107:21] in the data as well. So obviously mythic
[107:23] plus and I just like saying this cuz it
[107:25] blows people's mind every time I mention
[107:27] it. Okay, what does that have to do with
[107:29] Camelot? Um [laughter]
[107:30] Uh classic plus where um
[107:33] Like yeah, obviously it's classic plus.
[107:35] We all know it's classic plus. I don't
[107:37] think there's any meaning behind the
[107:39] code name Camelot. But if there were
[107:41] meaning, which I don't think there is,
[107:43] but if there were any meaning behind it
[107:45] I don't know, maybe they're playing with
[107:46] the idea of like chucking Arthas into
[107:49] classic plus.
[107:50] This blows everyone's mind every time I
[107:51] say it cuz it's something people don't
[107:53] register. But of course Arthas is named
[107:56] after King Arthur and based on King
[107:58] Arthur. That's why his name is Arthas.
[108:00] That's why his father figure in Warcraft
[108:02] 3
[108:03] is Uther, King Arthur's dad in the
[108:06] legend. And that's why he literally
[108:08] pulls a sword from the stone.
[108:10] I know it's very obvious for those who
[108:11] know, but every time I say it literally
[108:13] hundreds of people are like Oh [ __ ]
[108:17] AH!
[108:18] >> I LITERALLY HAD THAT REACTION.
[108:20] >> AND THERE'S A SWORD IN AZEROTH AS WELL,
[108:21] RIGHT? YEAH.
[108:22] Um and there is like you know, messing
[108:24] just doing his usual thing of like I'll
[108:26] change some of the names and not bother
[108:27] with some of the other names.
[108:29] Yeah,
[108:31] yeah, yeah. Um so uh
[108:33] Well, if one of the ways they're mixing
[108:35] it up in classic plus is to be like
[108:37] bring Arthas in. [ __ ] do that. Why
[108:38] not? I love money and that would make a
[108:41] good billion pounds. So let's get Arthas
[108:43] in there. Let's do it. Um
[108:44] >> $1 million email.
[108:45] >> Yeah, yeah.
[108:46] >> Uh yeah,
[108:48] fingers crossed. Uh next one is from
[108:50] Maxen. Um can we have reforging back? I
[108:54] hate having to chase this for correct
[108:55] stats. Feels like they removed it to
[108:57] increase retention. Using the mount or
[108:59] going to the vendor to change all your
[109:00] pieces wasn't hard.
[109:02] I feel like there's so much ease of
[109:04] access now.
[109:05] >> sorry. I hate reforging.
[109:06] >> I don't really want to see reforging
[109:09] back because I
[109:10] >> Oh sorry, which one is Merlin? Medivh?
[109:12] >> Yeah.
[109:12] >> Medivh is a is a Merlin like standing,
[109:14] yeah.
[109:15] >> Yeah.
[109:15] >> Sorry, carry on.
[109:17] >> [laughter]
[109:18] >> Yeah, I'm okay with that having
[109:19] reforging back personally. Like I I
[109:22] still need some element of like
[109:23] randomness to stats and gear, otherwise
[109:25] it starts to feel too
[109:27] too easy, if that makes sense.
[109:29] >> Mhm.
[109:30] >> That's just me.
[109:31] >> Yeah, I'm I I I don't care about easy or
[109:32] hard. I I hated reforging in um in Mists
[109:35] of Pandaria. I [ __ ] hated everything
[109:37] about it. I disliked it. It was dumb.
[109:40] Because like you're still going for
[109:42] the gear that has your actual best stats
[109:44] on it because you can make the stats
[109:46] even better then. And like the gear that
[109:48] doesn't have your best stats on it is
[109:50] still never even with reforging is never
[109:51] as good as the gear that doesn't have
[109:52] your best stats on it.
[109:53] >> Mhm.
[109:54] >> So, you're still always like but it's
[109:55] just so finicky and there's so much
[109:57] other gear from other places now and
[109:58] like I I'm not saying you're wrong for
[110:00] wanting it. Yeah, you and I like I don't
[110:02] know if you get it. I hope you really
[110:03] disappoint you for the rest of your life
[110:04] cuz I hate it.
[110:06] >> [laughter]
[110:08] >> Yes.
[110:09] Uh and next one uh thank you for that
[110:11] one uh Maxin. Another one from Maxin.
[110:13] Lovely. Thank you. Thank you. Member of
[110:14] the team. Uh what do you think the next
[110:17] 100 days from Microsoft might mean for
[110:20] wow uh regarding the layoff situation?
[110:23] There's more devs in QA. Bell probably
[110:25] has a video on it soon, if not already.
[110:27] >> Mhm. Yeah, well, I mean [clears throat]
[110:28] >> I don't know.
[110:29] >> No one ever wants to hear it, but like
[110:31] it's capitalism.
[110:32] >> Yeah.
[110:33] >> Like we live in a an economic system
[110:34] where literally doesn't matter if you
[110:36] make good work or not. Like
[110:39] uh you could make the most successful
[110:41] game in the world. You might get closed
[110:42] down tomorrow.
[110:43] >> Yeah, it's true.
[110:44] >> Like you could be doing the best job you
[110:45] you like of any human on earth and they
[110:47] might
[110:47] >> Like literally the coolest [ __ ]
[110:48] >> They might be replaced with some shitty
[110:49] AI that does it rubbish because it's
[110:51] much cheaper than you. Except it's not,
[110:53] but they think it might be later. Um and
[110:55] like, you know, we live in an economic
[110:57] system where,
[110:59] you know, the people that own the things
[111:01] we love aren't the people that make the
[111:03] things we love and care about the things
[111:04] we love. It's people shareholders who
[111:07] it's just numbers on a [ __ ] graph to
[111:09] them. They don't care. You know, like we
[111:11] live in a system which isn't built
[111:14] towards making good art, towards making
[111:16] good video games, towards making good
[111:18] films. Sometimes we're lucky and we get
[111:20] those things anyway, but the system
[111:22] isn't built to make good things. Yeah,
[111:24] like, the system is like built to for
[111:27] shareholders to go, "I need a bit more
[111:29] money for this quarter." Like, who can
[111:30] we fire? Who can we sack? Like, that's
[111:32] it, right? So, it doesn't matter if Wow
[111:34] is good, it doesn't matter if Wow is
[111:36] bad, it doesn't matter if Wow is making
[111:38] loads of money. Although, you have to
[111:40] imagine it would be more likely to be
[111:41] okay if it was, but they could just get
[111:43] up the team at any time. That's just the
[111:45] system we live under. And if you think
[111:47] about it too much, you'll become a
[111:48] communist.
[111:51] >> God forbid.
[111:51] >> Maybe you should.
[111:53] >> [laughter]
[111:57] >> Uh next one is up from history nerd
[111:59] Kevin. Uh thank you so much. Hey Tinny,
[112:01] it's your friendly neighborhood Democrat
[112:03] here.
[112:04] Making the podcast live for the first
[112:06] time. We love it. How goes the roof
[112:08] repair? Can't wait to see you at
[112:09] BlizzCon.
[112:10] >> What was the second
[112:10] >> Uh for the second, can't wait to see you
[112:12] at BlizzCon. But yeah, our roof
[112:14] situation keeps getting pushed back
[112:16] because it keeps raining in Wales. Who
[112:18] knew?
[112:19] >> It's kind of one of the reasons we need
[112:20] a roof, really.
[112:21] >> [laughter]
[112:22] >> Our new funny our new funny house thing
[112:24] is that because, like, you know, we were
[112:26] going to get the gutters changed when
[112:28] they changed the roof cuz they need a
[112:29] bit of work. Um the roof isn't
[112:31] happening, so the gutters are leaking
[112:32] everywhere. And doing so, one of them is
[112:34] leaking like directly over our front
[112:36] door, which is like a 100-year-old
[112:38] wooden door. And so, it's like
[112:40] completely swelled up, and I literally
[112:43] am unable to open the door from the
[112:44] inside. I literally cannot I am a
[112:47] prisoner in my own home. Tally is the
[112:49] only one Yeah, Tally is the only one who
[112:52] can physically op- like heave open the
[112:55] front door.
[112:56] Um so, that's fun.
[112:59] >> [laughter]
[112:59] >> I love it.
[113:00] >> Yeah.
[113:01] >> Yeah, I love it.
[113:02] >> But it's good it's good that the work's
[113:03] been put back a bit cuz it's time to
[113:05] apply for more credit cards so we can
[113:06] actually pay for [laughter] it.
[113:07] >> Just sell more feet pics.
[113:09] >> Yeah, yeah, totally.
[113:10] >> You know,
[113:11] I'll just get my Let my nails grow a
[113:12] little longer.
[113:13] >> [laughter]
[113:15] >> And, you know, do that. Um no, but yeah,
[113:17] I can't wait to see you two at BlizzCon.
[113:19] That's going to be so good.
[113:21] Not Not too long away. Uh and we'll have
[113:24] news on like that and like the Weekly
[113:25] Reset live coming soon as well, too. So,
[113:28] keep your ears t- open and your eyes
[113:30] peeled. Uh next one is from Maxin. Oh,
[113:33] neat. Didn't notice this perk for 1
[113:34] month sub. Exactly. He's been a
[113:36] dedicated cat girl head now,
[113:39] and Maxin gifting 10 10 teeny
[113:43] memberships.
[113:44] >> Oh, that's awesome. Thank you, friend.
[113:48] >> Congrats to all you guys
[113:49] who have
[113:49] >> Exactly.
[113:50] >> Congrats to all you guys who have uh
[113:52] received uh the perks of having a teeny
[113:55] membership, which includes all kinds of
[113:57] fun things like emotes and and goodies
[113:59] and uh and all that. So, thank you. We
[114:02] love it. We love to see it. Um next one
[114:06] is up from uh Simon CB. Uh thank you so
[114:11] much for the super chat. I'm going to
[114:12] BlizzCon for the first time. Yay. I've
[114:14] got somewhere to stay 1 hour away. Is it
[114:17] worth getting a hotel near BlizzCon the
[114:18] night Saturday? Uh So, um given that
[114:22] it's Anna It's uh Anaheim. It's Los
[114:25] Angeles. You're going to be dealing with
[114:27] a lot of traffic and a lot of very busy
[114:29] roads. Um
[114:32] I would say
[114:34] Yeah, if you want to depending on how
[114:36] much time you want to spend in an Uber
[114:38] >> If it's feasible for you, I would
[114:40] recommend it.
[114:41] >> Yeah.
[114:41] >> Like but I wouldn't I wouldn't like, you
[114:43] know, clear yourself out to do it.
[114:45] >> No, exactly.
[114:46] >> You know, as long as you're in the area,
[114:47] you'll be fine. Obviously, it's nicer to
[114:49] be really near and it's not just the the
[114:51] Marriott and the Hilton around there.
[114:53] There's lots of other hotels just around
[114:54] the corner and stuff. Like that tiny
[114:55] place we stayed in for
[114:58] Fan Fest. It was great.
[115:00] Uh but I I never forget, of course, we
[115:02] we do have the weekly reset live coming
[115:03] up. They tried to triple the cost of the
[115:06] room.
[115:06] >> Oh my
[115:07] >> for hiring. So, it looked like we might
[115:09] not be doing the weekly reset live for a
[115:10] moment. But, we managed to negotiate
[115:12] them down to only doubling the price of
[115:13] the room. So, it looks like we are going
[115:14] to do it now.
[115:16] >> Yeah, we're we're we're just nailing in
[115:18] the final
[115:20] nails into the
[115:23] metaphor is gone. Yeah, we're almost
[115:25] there. We're almost there.
[115:27] >> Just think of the items in the hot
[115:28] teens right?
[115:29] >> Yeah, exactly. We'll be able to like
[115:30] release tickets and stuff soon. And
[115:33] we'll do that kind of for friends and
[115:35] patrons first. And
[115:37] and then
[115:38] >> need to book for that, but the tickets
[115:39] will be free.
[115:40] >> Are they?
[115:41] >> Well, they usually are.
[115:42] I know it's quite expensive this year.
[115:44] Maybe not. Okay, maybe we'll have like a
[115:45] normal Maybe we'll have like a normal
[115:47] something like a dollar or two dollars
[115:48] or something. Okay,
[115:52] Okay, sorry. Sorry. Oh my god, sorry.
[115:55] >> Man, anyway.
[115:57] Um, yeah, so more more news about that.
[115:59] But, thank you for that one, Simon. And
[116:02] I hope you enjoy your first Blitz Con.
[116:03] It's a good one. Yay. Uh, Maxin, again,
[116:06] if you are sharing a string with items
[116:08] you don't have, will it do like a little
[116:10] outline to see when in placement mode
[116:12] where to put the items when you get it?
[116:14] >> It most certainly will.
[116:15] >> Will it?
[116:16] >> Uh, well, an outline. Oh,
[116:17] >> Like showing you where they should go.
[116:19] >> The technology is there.
[116:21] >> I think what it probably would do is
[116:23] like it would import what you have.
[116:25] Um, and then if you need to import it
[116:27] again, presumably it would kind of layer
[116:29] those onto. I don't know. I feel I
[116:31] didn't I didn't see any kind of like,
[116:33] you know, precise placement outlines.
[116:35] >> No, on on the UI pictures.
[116:37] >> to the player housing team for sure cuz
[116:39] that would be really really useful.
[116:42] Um,
[116:43] yeah, tally all the scroll there. But,
[116:44] yeah, thank you, Maxin, for that one.
[116:46] But, definitely something that would be
[116:47] super handy for importing strings.
[116:50] >> Yeah, cuz when you when you're like like
[116:52] there is the ability in the UI to place
[116:54] items that you don't have,
[116:57] you [snorts] know, and they they got
[116:58] appear as a ghost outline, don't they,
[116:59] in your house? You can like you can see
[117:01] things like
[117:02] from anything in the catalog you put in
[117:04] there even if you don't have it and see
[117:05] what it looks like. So, yeah, it doesn't
[117:07] seem like a massive jump to be doing
[117:08] that with strings, is it?
[117:09] >> Yeah. Hopefully we could do that. Uh
[117:11] next one is from J- Joe you love. Thank
[117:14] you, Joe. Kadgar's magic floating ball
[117:16] in your house. Yes. 100%.
[117:18] >> Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, I mean you actually she
[117:20] could.
[117:21] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[117:21] >> Yeah, so it's a pet, isn't it?
[117:22] >> And I'll stick HIM IN THERE.
[117:23] >> OH, THAT'S SO
[117:26] OKAY, NOW I'M NOW I'm super excited,
[117:28] okay?
[117:28] >> Yeah, the the the possibilities.
[117:30] >> Oh, you Okay, you've you've just made me
[117:31] way more excited about that that pet
[117:34] thing. That's awesome, yeah.
[117:35] >> [laughter]
[117:35] >> Uh next one is uh NomNom Noms Gaming.
[117:38] The little squire? Yeah, a little
[117:40] squire. Yeah, so many toys.
[117:41] >> squire? Wonder
[117:43] like Oh my god.
[117:45] That's a good one, yeah. Okay, no,
[117:46] right.
[117:47] >> Uh next one is from NomNomNom Gaming. Uh
[117:49] thank you so much. Y'all the homies.
[117:50] Thanks for always keeping me up with the
[117:51] lore. Aw, thank you. Thanks for being
[117:54] here. Really appreciate it. Glad we
[117:55] could be of service. Yeah.
[117:57] >> Yeah.
[117:57] >> Forever. Um next one from uh HistoryNerd
[118:01] Kevin. Is it just me or does everyone
[118:03] else instantly forget where the onion
[118:04] folio is located once you do the intro
[118:06] crust line?
[118:07] >> But you don't need it.
[118:08] >> It is out of the way. No, you need to go
[118:09] there for the quests.
[118:10] >> Oh, yeah.
[118:10] >> You need to go there for the quests. And
[118:12] also to say hi to Rum Rum Umbrah cuz you
[118:15] love him so much. Rum Umbrah. Umbrah. Um
[118:18] they uh yeah, it is it is like you have
[118:20] to
[118:21] >> are sexy as well. We we did the intro to
[118:23] our our weekly reset and they're all
[118:24] like, you know, they're swingers and
[118:26] they're doing sexy stuff. Uh which you
[118:28] know, we thought we were exaggerating,
[118:29] but you do those quests, it's not
[118:30] exaggerating. That's that's literally
[118:32] what they're like in those in those
[118:33] quests. Everything's so sexy.
[118:35] Maybe it's just me, but that's how I
[118:36] felt.
[118:37] >> [laughter]
[118:38] >> Uh next one is from Rico the Orc. Lovely
[118:40] to see you, Rico. Hey Tally, hey Abby.
[118:42] Cheers and love right back at you.
[118:44] Backwards super chat reminder. Was
[118:46] really happy to be back with the raid
[118:47] team and healing yesterday.
[118:48] >> my butt, mate. We needed you as well, my
[118:49] goodness.
[118:52] >> Um yeah, Rico, I saw you flying through
[118:54] Silvermoon like yesterday a couple days
[118:56] ago and it was so very obviously Rico
[118:59] cuz there's no other orc.
[119:01] It looks like him. I love it. Love it.
[119:04] And then finally last one is from
[119:06] Lord Corzore. Thank you so much for the
[119:08] super chat. I would love to see Worgen
[119:10] have their tails. Yes or no? Free
[119:12] market.
[119:14] Worgen tails, why not?
[119:15] >> Yeah,
[119:16] goes without saying.
[119:18] Worgen tails
[119:20] >> Yeah.
[119:20] >> like and all the other [ __ ]
[119:21] >> Yeah.
[119:21] >> Do it. Make it happen. Yeah.
[119:23] >> Yes.
[119:24] >> So I just want to bring up like words
[119:25] really interesting idea in the in the
[119:27] chat. Re-blueprints.
[119:29] >> Yeah.
[119:29] >> My idea is that chain blueprints is
[119:32] in-game only via vellum. So it comes
[119:35] like an inscription thing. And you can
[119:36] make a chain of ownership. So it's like
[119:38] you'd you'd have to it would be
[119:40] literally something you could get on the
[119:41] auction house.
[119:42] >> Oh.
[119:44] >> Like huge implications like what am I
[119:45] actually buying here? I guess. But
[119:48] probably wouldn't work. But maybe you
[119:50] could adapt that into something that
[119:52] would. I don't know. I'm all I'm all up
[119:54] for hearing ideas about this.
[119:58] >> it's literally just a code you copy and
[120:00] paste.
[120:01] >> scheme of things like I say my my
[120:03] hang-ups about it don't matter. It's not
[120:05] enough for me to go we shouldn't have
[120:06] codes. Like obviously we should have
[120:07] codes. They're they're great.
[120:09] >> Yeah.
[120:09] >> But I yeah it does make me a bit sad
[120:11] that and especially with housing
[120:12] competitions and stuff like that.
[120:14] >> the kind of I think the community kind
[120:16] of like regulates itself. I think it
[120:18] would you know if you saw someone just
[120:20] rock up and do a whole copy paste job
[120:23] for a competition I think
[120:25] like what what would would they get out
[120:26] of that? You know? Yeah.
[120:28] Anyway, um there's been a lot to go
[120:31] through today. We've just about managed
[120:32] it. Haven't covered everything but we
[120:34] have covered most things from the 12.1
[120:38] announcement. What do you guys think?
[120:40] Are you pumped? Are you psyched? Are you
[120:42] hyped? Are you not those things? Let us
[120:47] know.
[120:47] >> What do you Evie overall?
[120:49] >> I'm I feel really good. I just feel
[120:50] positive.
[120:51] >> Oh, me too.
[120:52] >> I just have a positive feeling and
[120:54] that's like all that's all I can ask
[120:56] for.
[120:56] >> I just think it looks like a good old
[120:58] romp.
[120:58] >> I'm ready. Yeah, exactly.
[121:00] >> You know what I'm like, yeah.
[121:01] >> Yeah, I'm ready for a good old troll
[121:03] romp. Venom, snakes.
[121:05] Uh a bit of, you know, delving.
[121:07] >> Honestly, I like wow.
[121:09] >> Yeah.
[121:09] >> And just doing all my wow stuff in green
[121:12] instead of purple for a bit. That's it,
[121:14] really, isn't it? It's good.
[121:15] >> I know.
[121:15] >> I'm happy.
[121:16] >> Yeah.
[121:16] >> I love some of the changes as well. I'm
[121:17] pretty excited about the housing stuff.
[121:18] Super excited about like the gearing
[121:20] stuff.
[121:21] Uh and we haven't even got on to class
[121:22] changes, tier sets.
[121:23] >> Oh.
[121:24] >> Have yourself a shower, have a little
[121:26] coffee, have a snooze.
[121:27] >> Hard at
[121:28] >> 5 minutes and we'll be coming back.
[121:30] >> Yes.
[121:30] >> And we'll be recording our tier set uh
[121:32] video which maybe, fingers crossed, we
[121:35] can even get out tonight. But certainly
[121:36] we'll be coming out tomorrow.
[121:37] >> Oh, that would be the dream.
[121:38] >> assuming all the videos worked. Uh do
[121:41] you see the 12.2 info that sits in 12.1
[121:42] data mining? No, but I'm going to go and
[121:43] look at it right now.
[121:45] >> Hell yeah.
[121:45] >> Okay, thank you for joining us on
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[121:52] though we don't respond to everything
[121:53] that you write in the chat there, we do
[121:54] see it. We've got a lovely shared chat
[121:55] here where we see it all and we do see
[121:57] every sub that comes through and every
[121:58] comment. And we love you. Thank you.
[122:00] Thank you to everyone listening on your
[122:01] preferred podcast listening platforms.
[122:03] You matter, too. And don't let anyone
[122:05] tell you that you don't.
[122:07] >> Yeah.
[122:07] >> Ignore them.
[122:09] Become a snake.
[122:11] Shed your skin.
[122:13] It's important. From me, Taliesin.
[122:15] >> And me, Evitel.
[122:16] >> Until next time.
[122:16] >> Bye.
[122:17] >> See you all.