[00:02] you, okay? This video is actually just a proxy for me to nerd out about viewing uh on live streaming platforms and how it works because I think the topic is cool. I'm going to get into like way too much detail about it. But but don't get
[00:14] question that is in the title of this video, but my vision for this video, it's so much more. Come with me on a journey to talk about this guy, uh burnt peanut, that's him. This is him. He's a a peanut a Vtuber. No, a ptuber.
[00:33] And he has had an absolutely meteoric rise on uh on on Twitch. He's actually the number one streamer and he got there in just a year. Uh pretty crazy stats. You can we can take a look. So, this dude um is averaging like over the
[00:48] course of uh like 90 days, he's averaging 50,000 viewers. He's got over 30 million um hours watched. And I I think this is probably the most impressive stat. He's got over a million followers gained. Um has had over
[01:01] 255,000 views and he streams a a ridiculous amount. Um so he's gaining about like 200,000 followers, 250,000 followers um a month
[01:13] and he's just everywhere. And that of course has led uh to some claims because he has moved very fast up the ranking system in Twitch. uh perhaps too fast and surpassed streamers that have been streaming for I I mean years,
[01:29] sometimes tens of years. If you look at the uh the top most watched channels, he just a short amount of time. I guess we're we're not going to load that. So, um but yeah, the he's he's these guys he's passed all these people and more if
[01:45] [laughter] what gives um what's happening? Well, I what gives um what's happening? Well, I think the first place I heard that the burnt peanut might not be up might be up to no good uh was this ex post made like
[02:01] a couple of months ago and it got 13 million impressions. This dude is a view botter. There is no way he randomly comes out of nowhere, gets popular in the normie space, peaks at a 100,000 viewers, yet his chat is more stale and
[02:15] dead than someone with 500 viewers or less. Uh, also I got permanent banned for saying that he was botting. So, he's not even trying to defend himself. Uh, and then after that there was a dude that responded to that uh this person
[02:28] who got uh also got like a lot of million impressions and they um million impressions and they um provided some data. Uh he shows every Twitch streams almost always have the exact same number of viewers within a
[02:43] 100 watchers. And the stream charts are bizarre. waves of 5,000 or negative 5,000 people every 20 minutes at consistent intervals. Uh I've never seen to grow as fast as him is Caseio and even he grew half as fast. Uh the guy
[02:57] has like lots of watchers per platform and the games he's playing and he makes moves as fast as mine, slower than some of my friends. Uh so and and this like kind of goes on and he does like a lot of tweets about this and uh he even
[03:11] provides some like really cool data and graphs uh stats graph stats saying like oh here are some streamers and here's the burnt peanut streams and you can see that there's like this saw to pattern and um that's not good. Uh he he has
[03:26] uniform dips of almost exclusively 10k viewers every 20 minutes and this got thing got 13 million views. So, everybody's commenting on if the burnt pedit is a viewer, and I didn't have time to answer it uh because I'm a busy
[03:40] guy. I'm an advertiser, and I and you know, got lots of big business that I do know, got lots of big business that I do outside of the um outside of uh this YouTube channel. I'm a very busy person. Uh ignore ignore this these stats. Oh my
[03:56] god, what is happening? Oh my god, I did not open that. Okay, I guys. All right, can we leave? Okay, thank you. Okay, [laughter] it just does it on its own because it wants to it it calls to me. Anyway, ignore these stats.
[04:11] I was very busy and didn't have time to answer this until now. But now I I'm not launch till next week. So, we have plenty of time to go over what is actually happening here and um really discuss this issue. Now, I I'm sure
[04:25] you're wondering um how does like viewing on Twitch work anyway? uh how how how do viewers work on Twitch? What does CCVs work? Or maybe you're not wondering that at all. But no matter, you're on a Devon Nash YouTube video.
[04:38] So, you see, on this channel, we go through painstaking detailed nuance of the new world of long form media. Uh so, strap in because we're going to understand this from the ground up. I I can't believe Pathfel actually opened
[04:51] Like, it just opened on its own. It It called to me. That was crazy. So, uh, to begin, like what the heck is a viewer on Twitch? This is like Twitch, okay? So, like everybody has like different, um, platforms have different ways of
[05:05] defining what viewership is, but on Twitch, it's it's pretty specific. So, um, start off, a single viewer is anyone who is like watching a live stream at live video. But specifically, that is what we call a validated HLS or HTTP
[05:21] live streaming session. Um, so basically the way that that works is that like um CDN, content delivery network. And there are um HLS is basically serieses of real time from the server, which is the CDN, to you, the viewer on your browser
[05:37] trying to process the video. And uh the uh keyword validated, we'll get back to that in a second because that's like kind of important here. Uh, Hos is governs the receiving of that video and audio so that you get a seamless stream
[05:51] CDN server feeds it up to you in the in these little chunks. So, um, if the Twitch CDN on the back end validates you, remember we were talking about that that that validation thing. Um, aka they recognize you as a real viewer and we're
[06:06] they check you against like duplicate IPs, they have blacklist, they do proxy detection, VPN detection. Uh there's some pattern analysis that goes on that a little bit more. Um then they say, "Okay, you know what? You pass the
[06:20] test. You count as plus one viewer for this guy or whoever is on the stream." this guy or whoever is on the stream." So uh that it follows that viewership or So uh that it follows that viewership or CCV uh viewership or CCV which is
[06:34] concurrent viewership concurrent viewership is basically the combined number of those plus ones the combined number of those plus ones every time a person is validated. Um but
[06:49] importantly CCV is is a very different metric different number than than views and viewership is uh because a a single view validated at different times. They're they're validated when the user comes in
[07:05] or they're validated when the user leaves. And so CCV has to be reported like the total amount of viewers that you see on a stream. If we go to a live stream, the number that you actually see on the live stream is going to be um
[07:18] quite a bit different than the number that is actually there. Uh so for example, if we go to like Lyric, who's live streaming right now, and we see his live streaming right now, and we see his current CCV as is reported is 19,286.
[07:32] I believe he's trying to play Marathon. Um probably unsuccessfully because it's launching like as of the time of this recording. Okay. So um that number that plus one viewers but it's basically reported in four different ways. Um way
[07:47] reported in four different ways. Um way number one is server side. So this is uh tallied in real time. Only Twitch will see this number. We will never see this see this number. We will never see this number. This is this is the closest to
[07:59] there actually are on a stream at any given time and we'll never know what it is and Twitch never reports it so it doesn't matter. Uh the second thing uh don't know this is actually the stream page. So the stream page that you just
[08:14] saw the lyric post uh the lyric stream that the server uh the CDN directly is pushing that data and it generally updates like every 30 seconds to 3 minutes. It it kind of depends. So, like if we go back to that page there, um
[08:29] and what's happening is like the Twitch CDN is processing the data, processing the data, and like we'll eventually see this number move. Um and and and and that'll generally happen like depending on load and depending on like lag uh
[08:43] between 30 seconds and a minute. Uh so the question really is, can I talk long So there it is. So it just went it just he just gained 300 viewers. But but it's important to like this is not an exact metric.
[08:56] um because of the way that like Twitch bunches up viewers is it's like it's a real it's gotten better but it's like it's like a real kind of iffy thing. You particularly for things like view bonding. Um so that brings us to the the
[09:09] the third way that this data gets reported and and the most important one for the discussion of this video which is uh the public helix API. that is the is uh the public helix API. that is the data that once the server has processed
[09:23] the data uh it kind of pulls it into an API which is a thing that another u service can call from a third party like a website or something and that website can pull that API data and then Twitch will send
[09:36] them the data. So when you see a website like Twitch Tracker and we go here and we look at something like the burnt peanut, peanut, the data that you see pop up for him on
[09:50] a random stream from a couple of days ago. This data is aggregated from the public helix. And very importantly, this data is actually the longest uh that it
[10:03] takes to like report because not only does it have to be reported at the end of the entire process that we just discussed. So it typically takes like 5 There can be interruptions up to 20 minutes. I've seen uh all kinds of
[10:16] stuff. But also the the website itself has to pull the data. I believe Solnome pulls that data every 5 minutes. That used to be every 15 minutes. So you can kind of reliably check like what's going on. uh in five minute intervals. Twitch
[10:29] tracker is probably similar, though I've never asked them. Um so so I don't know. never asked them. Um so so I don't know. But anyway, this data is um the most uh like the longest. A and so when we're analyzing data that comes from this
[10:44] page, it's really important to understand that we are not seeing like real-time data. This data is like very lagged and it's kind of questionable on a lot of levels because it's it's so far removed from Twitch's like pure data.
[10:56] removed from Twitch's like pure data. Um, a and beyond that, uh, I mentioned curious on what the fourth one is, it's the creator dashboard. Uh, that is to say like the the dashboard that actually gets the data that shows you what your
[11:09] streamer. But it's not important for this discussion, so we're going to leave it out. Okay. So, that's the first thing to understand. You understand how CCV tallied. you understand that each individual viewer has to be validated in
[11:21] to this number and that these numbers are are kind of like general ideas of how a stream has viewers and not exact. Okay. And then these graphs especially everything like that. Uh that's definitely not an exact number of like
[11:36] viewers are doing because of all the affformentioned stuff. But before we move on to like what's actually happening, we have to talk about IVT. Um, IVT is a concept called invalid traffic rate.
[11:50] Invalid traffic rate is the most one of the most important numbers. Definitely one of the most important numbers to people in my business, which is people in my business, which is advertising. Um, if you uh when you
[12:02] advertise something uh digitally, you have to expect that a certain number of those views are not going to be legitimate. They'll just be botted or they'll be crawlers or they'll be uh literally fake or they'll be im in
[12:15] Twitch's case a very big problem that they have is inbeds. And I say problem I mean like they don't fix it uh because they like their viewer numbers being um high. I think uh I don't know why they don't fix it, but um you can embed a
[12:28] don't fix it, but um you can embed a couple of pixels on a website um of a couple of pixels on a website um of a Twitch stream and then the uh when autoloads the stream, it actually counts as a viewer and as a played view. Um and
[12:42] this has never really been addressed by Twitch and and some people like Fxlife have used this to effectively legally viewbot their streams. And in fact, I have a video about this um which is the I think the most successful video on my
[12:54] channel ever. Um which is like how streamers are legally viewing. It's really interesting if you want to go look at it. It's still totally relevant. And um yeah, it's this one here. How legal viewbots thrive on Twitch. And so
[13:07] uh like this is kind of going over that whole like kind of like process of how interesting. Um the the kind of viewing that we're talking about with the burnt peanut that he's alleged of doing is is an illegitimate form of viewing. This
[13:19] instances to count as a viewer with a sophisticated bot network and doing that multiple times. Um it wouldn't be embedding on a website or anything like that. But still invalid traffic is super important to kind of consider because um
[13:32] if there is a high rate of invalid traffic on a particular website, advertisers won't want to advertise there. And indeed Twitch has a very high IVT rate. Uh so for example, Google which does YouTube and does AdSense um
[13:46] is around 7 to 8% of the paid traffic historically. Specifically, I think the script for this, but I'm pretty sure the number on AdSense is 7.57%. Um I know that number. Um, so that's usually the one they they they kind of
[14:01] hold to and we kind of ben as advertisers we kind of benchmark Google's like the and meta I mean there's like the ultimate and meta is like IVT rates are like very similar a little bit lower usually uh 6% range um
[14:13] and and so we kind of say like okay like if an IVT rate we could expect to lose just the cost of doing business whatever okay but Twitch in comparison is about
[14:25] okay but Twitch in comparison is about 30 to 40% of total viewers And um so with with streams varyings like like I would generally go to the higher echelon of that number and Twitch thinks this number is a lot lower. They
[14:40] back end as advertisers like when we're trying to buy like um campaigns and think that it is. And I've done a lot of work on this. In fact, I had a a a work on this. In fact, I had a a a pretty successful tweet go out um a
[14:54] went into uh the viewing problem and like how IT rates work. And I also uh kind of like went over our methodology of like how we figured this out. Um and then we collaborated with another agency which confirmed that our um
[15:09] our our our our estimates were basically dead on for the 30 to 40% IBT rate. So I I still I I think Twitch's IVT rate might have dropped a little bit. This is about, but anyway, it's really high. That's what you need to that's what you
[15:23] need to understand here. Um, so the viewership of Burnt Peanut, whatever it is, right, has to actually be uh addressed against this um this data be because you might say, well, does Burnt
[15:37] Peanut actually have 60,000 viewers? Is he viewed? And and the answer is sort of because because everybody is viewing, right? Like like nobody on Twitch actually has this legitimate data. has these legitimate viewers because
[15:50] because of such the high IVT rates. So, if we go to um if we go to Twitch here and we see um the current viewership on like general live streams, right? Um you'll see like 5K 17K like like all
[16:06] like just subtract these numbers these these numbers by a true uh 30 40% for god, he got into the marathon servers. Crazy. So, um, you see like Quinn69
[16:20] here, who's not a view botter. He has 8,000 viewers, but subtract 20% from that and and and Lyric and so on, right? That's just how the platform works. So, that's IVT. Uh, so so is Burnt Peanut really have 60,000 viewers? Uh, no.
[16:33] Right. But but but is he is he actually viewing? Well, we'll find out. So, cuz with all that in mind, now we need to go back to uh this guy um who tweeted out this whole thing about like the graphs and and the
[16:47] about like the graphs and and the numbers and the pixels. Um and I'll just like copy his tweets here uh just to kind of like grab his argument and then we'll go back to our handy editing. Some people have noted, my um my long-term
[17:02] real ones, have noted I have upgraded from Notepad. And uh yeah, you're quite actually love this. Like I think it's like really good tool for explaining things and just like the the crazy data we do on this channel. It gives me a lot
[17:17] of access to other tools to be able to um address things. So uh what's going on you look at this graph, like the burnt peanut has like this really unique saw graph where he's losing viewers, like 10,000 viewers like every 20 minutes.
[17:32] And so, um, there's a couple of points I have for this that I'm going to go over and, uh, as follows. So, the first one is we we we can't rely on graphs, right? stated. Uh, but don't worry, I'm still going to address that issue. Um, and uh,
[17:47] these will and like let's talk about graphs. Like when I say we can't rely on data. And actually, this data that he pulled up is interesting. Like it's it's consistently has these dips in dealership. And I I I wanted to figure
[18:02] going to figure out why that was. And then I did figure it out and I'm going to explain it to you in like 5 minutes. So um, we we can can't rely on graphs, but we can't really rely on graphs. They're not going to give us an absolute
[18:16] botting or not with a couple of exceptions. I'm going to teach you some cool ways to look at graphs and see if a person is actually viewing. Um but but like what Burnt Peanut does and like what and like who Burnt Peanut is,
[18:30] of variance in like a stream's viewership that's properly allocated a couple of things like number one, Burnt Peanut is a is as of recently a Arc Raiders streamer and Arc Raiders has
[18:44] these game times of about like 15 minutes to like 20 minutes and then he burnt peanut stream, for example, like this one a couple of days ago and you see this like saw graph. what's probably happening here and like why he's
[18:57] dropping these like these like uh 10k viewers like every point in time um is because he's a running an ad and b his arc raiders um uh stuff ends and so the game ends and then the the ads run and uh and a bunch of viewers are like well
[19:11] then uh as we know from uh ads playing or as I know uh ads actually bounce a accidentally because it requires a whole new player load it's not a seamless on a stream if If you're a Twitch viewer, you can back me up on this in
[19:26] the comments or something and you'll see um oh like like an ad played and then canceled. Like there'll be that weird network error that's like um failed to load network and that basically knocks a viewer off your stream and that h like
[19:38] on on a scale of like 60,000 people. It's it's very easy for 5 to 10% of people to or or say like 2 to 5% of people to have that happen to the other like 3 to 5% of people this accounts for are just leaving because the the game
[19:50] didn't happen. Um and in B in Bert Peanut's case that this is absolutely what is happening here. Um I think that this um YouTuber VTuber uh notes like oh there are no other people that that actually
[20:04] the only place that I've seen this and like he shows some of the graphs for other like really successful people and goes this is abnormal. But the problem that he's running into is he's comparing these people uh to other streamers. what
[20:17] he really should do is he should compare them to top streamers in the Arc Raiders So, let's look at Tfue's Arc Raider stream. Um, it's exactly the same. He the place. Uh, and like you know, here's another one, right? Um, again, more of
[20:33] these bumps than other place. Let's look at Nick Merks, right? Like Nick Merks um has uh tons of bumps again. Plane Dark Raiders, there's those dips again. There's those like axle type of things. So when you actually just compare this
[20:45] across the board to other streamers who are in the category, it it looks very natural. Um but like when it's displayed this way, when the data is kind of cherrypicked this way, um it looks weird, right? Uh but but if you just
[20:57] compare that like this graph to something that's happening like um over very similar phenomenon because of the affforementioned things that I said like the people dropping off and stuff like that. So there you go. Um the but but
[21:12] look at something like this and we were to look at like like burnt penis data to look at like like burnt penis data here a funny thing is that this graph is actually the opposite of what viewing would look like on a graph. Okay. Um
[21:25] because there it would be the dumbest thing in the world and the most detectable thing possible if for whatever reason an automated bot network was just dropping 10k viewers on 20-minute intervals. like that makes no
[21:40] sense. So, so uh a really important thing that happened here is um there was a big crackdown in August of 2025 uh with Twitch and viewing and and if you
[21:52] recall this like there was like 30% of the viewership of the platform total um went down. There was like a huge dip and and I believe you could probably see this data on Soyome if you searched by a year just for fun. Um, you could
[22:06] probably see that like the the global drop uh on Twitch has was 10% last year. Now they are like legitimately losing viewers because of um just like macro uh
[22:18] economic stuff. Uh that sounds really sophisticated. Let me say the singer. website's getting worse. [laughter] Okay. So that that's that's happening for sure. But also like this crackdown on view did eliminate like a lot of
[22:30] viewers from the website. And and the reason this this crackdown happened was because advertisers like me were just getting really pissed off that every charged for 10,000 concurrent viewers and we were actually getting like 6,000
[22:43] concurrent viewers if we were lucky. Um, and those people weren't even at their desk cuz some grandma that left the the TV on with the Twitch for their kid. there than YouTube. So, we were getting butt detonated about that for a while
[22:56] and the dozens of phone calls to Twitch support and everything and and our our know like all the we were small potatoes, but a lot of the people that were like like really big advertisers were just like, "Yeah, screw this." And
[23:08] so they were um uh that eventually Twitch had to address this for the advertisers or just no one was going to advertise there. So um if if this was like a like this is not a way to see like a viewbot wouldn't look like this,
[23:21] like a viewbot wouldn't look like this, especially post August 2025 because um sophisticated. It had to because of that that crackdown. So now um there are that crackdown. So now um there are actually two ways to detect if um
[23:35] someone is actually viewing and and I'll discuss those now via a graph. Uh but I need help. I need help from an even more sophisticated program. from an even more sophisticated program. Um so the first way to see it would be
[23:48] if you were to like see a very gradual rise in viewership and then it basically just flattens out for the entire stream. And there's very very little of these dips or things like that. Now, um, a sophisticated viewer could actually
[24:02] program in those dips to make it look like kind of natural. Um, but it like far less uniform because if it was done like every 20 minutes on the dot, then that would also come that would
[24:14] also uh Twitch is like p I can't get too much into this because this is some uh NDA stuff and and that you don't we don't want view botterers to know how to Twitch has certain systems of pattern recognition that would very easily
[24:28] detect a bot doing this. Um and so it's it's just not a thing. But if you saw a flattened out and just had these consistent viewers, um, and didn't have a lot of variations, um, and then this graph looked basically exactly the same,
[24:42] like let's say this number ends up at like 10.5K, and you can see that it's like 10.5K for like 5 days, 6 days, things like that. But if you look at the burnt peanuts actual like streams, uh, let's go back to his his actual stream
[24:56] stats. You can see that his streams are highly variable in terms of their viewership. So like here's uh 61,000 60,000 55,000 so almost 5,000 less. This one was almost like uh 10,000 more and so on. Like his variance in in
[25:09] viewership is like 10 to 20% every day. So this is very natural like a viewer bot a viewbot's going to stay at like the same consistent number of instances generally. Um I think in in this tweet he he he or one of the earlier tweets
[25:22] there's like a variance of like 100 to not the case. There's a variance of like 10 to 20%. Very natural. um everything 10 to 20%. Very natural. um everything good. So um right uh so that is uh why
[25:37] we can't rely on graphs. Um, but let's talk about like how you can actually talk about like how you can actually detect view botting and and and I think
[25:49] like I'll give you the my ultimate opinion on on like how much burnt peanut is viewing and what's going on there and I and like other people viewing. I'll viewing. We'll get into like what I think the real meat of the issue is, but
[26:04] think the real meat of the issue is, but first that's right. But first, 26 first that's right. But first, 26 minutes. 2606. 2606. Okay. A little bit later, but 2606 is the secret call out. If you are still here in a Devon Nash
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[27:54] do we detect it? like what's happening. All right. So, um my official position as of uh now I I I definitively believe I my official
[28:06] to clarify this original because I did say I was going to answer this question. My official position on the burnt peanut is that he definitively does not view bot and there are some interesting stats
[28:20] as a top streamer than a lot of the other people. But I will say with total confidence and all my expertise behind it, this this guy's not view buting. And uh I have a I have a good number of people that I've checked that data
[28:33] provided here and that I'll continue to provide as this video goes on. So don't think he's viewing, think he's totally legit, but what is actually going on? don't like this guy? And what is Burnt Peanut doing to grow uh to in a year to
[28:49] to the to the most successful streamer on the platform? I think that video deserves a whole video on it on on its own. And so I think I'm gonna make one. Uh but in the meantime, we'll talk about a little bit of the stuff that he is
[29:02] doing and why I think it works. Um the first one is if you look at one of my favorite ways to detect like if a person is um viewing or not because I I promised you how would you actually detect if a person is viewing if if if
[29:17] they are. It is difficult to do if you don't have access to the public API don't have access to the public API helix or if you um uh don't like look at the media profile of the person in its entirety these days because of how
[29:32] sophisticated bots are. It's difficult to actually detect through like the stats if a person is viewing or not. Like they're getting a lot better. So total media profile and you need to look at their history. So if we look at the
[29:45] interesting graphs I've ever seen. You can see that like he tried streaming at first in 2022 to an average of like six viewers. I actually played Escape from viewers. I actually played Escape from Tarov. I think that um during this time
[29:58] and he still had his like face on camera. He's just running like a regular ass stream. He takes a break for like a year, comes back in 2024 again to the five viewers, but now he's got his like peanut persona and he just
[30:12] starts grinding, man. Like this guy only takes Mondays off. does not take a single day off for the entire year until he starts seeing some traction. Like we see over here as these like boxes kind of grow up. This is like his first like
[30:27] real pop off and then like you can see like it starts like really ramping from gaining now he's like like running several streams. This is weeks and weeks of having like 500 to 800 viewers. Like he's obviously getting traction and then
[30:39] we go into the new year. He is still incredibly consistent in 2025. still just slapping it every single day, grinding eight hours. And uh finally, months ago, this guy starts popping into like the top streamer range, like 5,000
[30:54] plus concurrent viewers. And then he really starts going and ramping um as a as of like late 2025. And this is when like, of course, everybody kind of comes viewing." But if you look at this history, this is very natural. Like if
[31:07] have done it at any point down through this time. And another thing I want to say is like um we have we have we have dealt with a lot of viewbbody agencies and like a lot of viewer type people. Viewbotting is really expensive, man.
[31:20] views, that's one thing or like 200 views or whatever. But if you want to view bot this kind of stuff, like this is going to be in the like higher tens of thousands of dollars a month to do and and it's just not
[31:34] people. Um there there's no way. You'd have to have like a huge agency behind you. But um one really interesting thing about the burnt pina that's really cool like another video is that this guy also had a very consistent media profile
[31:47] throughout all other social media channels. This is actually the thing streamer. If you look at um his oldest videos, you can see that a year ago he develops this persona and he starts uploading very consistently and like he
[32:01] sticks with it. He's uploading consistent YouTube content while he's streaming eight hours a day. And he's doing that on Tik Tok as well. So, he's streaming on Tik Tok. You can see like his most popular stuff here is like 8
[32:15] million views, tons of million plus view videos. His oldest stuff about a year ago starts getting the the the VTuber the Ptuber persona. Um Instagram consistent, still going 700,000 views. um oldest stuff about a year ago, tons
[32:31] of reels, all kinds of stuff going on. Dude's dude's a banger. Like he's he's he understands something that very few people understand about Twitch. And that is that something that I have harped on for years, which is that Twitch is not a
[32:45] viewers. You can't get new viewers on Twitch very easily. It's extremely hard to do. You have to use other alternate channels of discovery to be able to get understood that and he played the game right. He's one of the very few people
[32:59] Software who in the same period of time about a year ago started growing a lot. did it through shorts content. He used a loophole in the uh shorts algorithm when a ton of viewership for his stream off of that which he's maintained today. Had
[33:13] a few issues, but he's he's still in a top streamer market. The burnt peanut basically m like game the system, mastered the system, and got himself up to this level totally legit as we saw from the streaming history. Okay. Um, so
[33:27] very consistent broadcast. Almost nobody can do full-time content uploads like that and then simultaneously run a stream for eight hours a day. Like that stream for eight hours a day. Like that is that is like the real grind stuff. I
[33:41] rarely ever see this. There are like a couple more people that do this. Um, all time. Like one of the people that I I talk about all the time is Ben. Uh, Ben like co- carnage. Like if you look at his stream profile, like this guy's a
[33:53] madman. We can just look at it like, "Oh my god, it's beautiful. Look at that data. Oh, it's so pretty. Oh my god, this guy never takes a day off. He's a robot. He's like He's like an advanced Optimus
[34:06] stream. I don't know how this guy does it. Like this guy's even more because at least Burnt Peanut takes Mondays off. This guy is a unit. He's an absolute brick [ __ ] house. This guy's crazy, right? Like all these years, look at
[34:19] this guy's like super successful. by the way, he also has like a very successful doing this for 10 years at this rate. Guy is just locked in, right? So like really cool. And so yeah, Peanut has been um locked in on a on on a very
[34:35] popular series of titles. He has a we'll get into this like in a future video, personality. An important thing about being on Twitch is like you um you go to Twitch and like you see a streamer in relatively the same energy and light
[34:49] that you see them every day. You want that kind of comfort. Streams that tend to like spike a lot in terms of their like emotions. Sometimes you come and Sometimes you come and the guy is like really happy. These don't do well on
[35:02] Twitch. They tend to stay small. Um, streamers like that sort of expectation, like like consistent energy. Peanut is like one of the most consistent leave that for like the analysis video
[35:14] that I do someday on his success. Um but uh you may not believe just me on this before I move on on this claim of the uh viewbotting thing that I think Peanut does not viewbot. So I collaborated with
[35:28] these dudes. These guys are heavy hitters in the advertising network uh world. They are Vodra and they are an official agency. They have public Helix API access to Twitch. They um work with top brands. They've done over 4,500
[35:42] streamers um brand activations and along with my agency um we are leaders in the space uh for for for Twitch advertising. Uh although I've moved away from Twitch in the past, these guys still do it. Here is the official response from their
[35:57] CEO on the burnt peanut. Um hey Devin, I just looked into this and ran it through our model. Um also appears your takes seems to be completely right. Um, it looks like Burnt Peanut is sitting at 25% IVT, which is a little bit better
[36:12] there's some kind of unique stuff about Burnt Peanut. It turns out that his platform basic the platform average. So, the platform average being like 30 or 40%. His IVT is generally sitting at about 25%. And so, a lot more of the
[36:25] penis stream by about 5 or 10% of viewers is legitimate. Pretty cool. um goes on, viewership, watched hours, airtime, and viewer fall-off are all super closely correlated. We usually see this deviate with view bots because they
[36:38] and then they brought out something that like I probably could have just said justification for the whole video. I don't know why I didn't think about don't know why I didn't think about this. Um if we go to see like a really
[36:53] really simple question is just how many subscribers does he have? like and if he has a lot of subscribers, he probably has a lot of viewers. Well, he has 82,37 subscribers according to the API data as of the time of of this post. So, someone
[37:09] would have to be paying out $200,000 monthly to Twitch to fake that. Like, like it stands to reason that a guy that's getting, you know, 50 to 60,000 subscribers. So, the guy legitimately has 80,000 subscribers. Like, that seals
[37:23] this other stuff is very clear he doesn't view bot because that number of subscribers that number of people that are willing to pay for this um is such a high number there is no way that could be faked right so he has so so that
[37:36] streaming arc raers which is independently popular category usually total viewers which all leave after the stream ends whereas here we see interest ends the stream so what they're saying there is that they're running their
[37:50] analysis they're showing that the arc raers category usually picks up the viewers um that um Burnt Peanut leaves when he goes. So when Burnt Peanut stopped streaming, Arc Raiders as a category stays consistent because
[38:02] obviously if it if Burnt Peanut was viewing the cons the the category would wouldn't go other places. But when Burnt Peanut stream ends, several of those streams. Um Burnt Peanut also does a really genius thing where he has a 365
[38:16] channel and he raids his own channel. So he gets 24/7 income from a lot of those That's actually a big reason for his concurrent viewership, which I could get into in another video, but it's really interesting. Uh, chat density is very
[38:28] subscribers, which we almost never see with heavily bought his streams. He also chatter ratio, just meaning that there's a lot of like unique accounts in there that are chatting versus some of the bot lists and sort of blacklist that we see.
[38:40] uh conclusion, I can pretty much definitively say he is legit and cruising at a very strong uh sub minus 25% IBT rate. Uh to be below the extremely unlikely he is doing any of his own body. So, thank you very much.
[38:56] That's um that's uh Connor there over at Vadra. And uh you got obviously not welcome to check these guys out if you're in this kind of uh if you're a this kind of space. Um they're they're pretty great and I I really appreciate
[39:08] collaboration of another official agency so you don't have to believe me as a singular um person or like like authority on this topic. Okay. So um there's one more thing I want to discuss
[39:22] interesting that Asmin Gold said about this in response to the um to to to the to the this drama I guess is what we're going to say. We'll listen to him here. Oh no. Hoes mad on Burnt Peanut. streamer Burnt Peanut says people who
[39:36] accuse him of view botting are losers. Too many viewers, too many subscribers, viewers on Twitch, you don't have as much viewers on cake, you're viewing on Twitch. If you have too many viewers on YouTube, but you don't have as many
[39:48] viewers on Twitch, you're viewing on YouTube. You can spin it any way you can. At the base of it, it's hope. >> That's right. At the base of it, it is >> That's right. At the base of it, it is hoes mad, hoes jealous people that are
[40:01] trying to tear somebody down because they don't like what that person represents for whatever reason is out there. Once you understand that most hate on the internet is actually self- therapy in disguise, everything else
[40:15] begins to make a lot more sense. So basically, the reason why people like the idea of tearing down Peanut is because he's a person who's built his success as [music] something that is totally intrinsic to his own
[40:28] personality. There's nobody who can say that, "Oh, well, I can't afford an expensive VTuber rig. Oh, I'm not a girl. Oh, I'm not an attractive woman, so I can't do it with a webcam. Oh, I'm not a very good uh, you know, like I'm
[40:42] not a very good video game player." There is nothing that is holding anybody back from being the next burnt peanut. And that's the reason why they hate him. They hate him because he represents their own mediocrity.
[40:54] I I I I kind of agree. Yeah, I think so. I think it's really difficult for someone who has been streaming like 9 to5. There's a lot of people out there that have been streaming 8 to 10 hours a a day for years and they have no
[41:10] traction like this. A and and I I think um what Asmin Gold says is um the sort of like extreme take on this like like it's like I I I do think that people will blame anything for their own mediocrity and it's a big
[41:24] internet is because I I I I'm an this stuff. So people hate that somebody knows stuff and and they're like this guy's a snake oil salesman. This guy, you know, I've heard it all. Right. Um,
[41:37] so I do think that like rather than face the music of like, oh, like I need to do the hard work to realize that like this is kind of a hot take, but I've always had it. Just clicking the start streaming button doesn't entitle you to
[41:49] viewers. And actually, like like because of the way that Twitch is, sadly, just being a good streamer also doesn't do it. Like you're not going to go up the category because you um you click the start streaming button and you're and
[42:02] you're funny. It's not enough. It's like it's not like YouTube. It's not like there's this um there's inherent discovery. You have to put in the work the burnt penet. You've got to get you you have to have a successful Tik Tok.
[42:15] You have to have a successful YouTube. And you have to understand the beats and the rhythms and the pulses of those um of those other places. They they have a different way of communicating. So to be good at all of those platforms and
[42:29] simultaneously stream and upload your content consistently, that's what it streamer. A lot of people don't want to put in that work and they just want to say, "Oh, well the um it didn't work for me. There's no way a guy could have
[42:41] grown so much faster than than I did um because of because of X, Y, and Z. He also do think there's some drama about the actual like VTuber versus Ptuber thing. Uh particularly because the Burnt Peanut won uh the 2025 um VTuber year of
[42:57] of people said was kind of illegitimate. I'm reading some comments here. It's like um he doesn't consider himself a YouTuber. doesn't even like VTubers. Audience hates VTubers. Active making fun of YouTubers, but he makes wins best
[43:09] for winning this award show as a joke. Like this is for like 1.4 million views on Twitter. Um and uh Pet actually himself had a response to this on the on the Around the Bar podcast. I make fun of YouTubers quite a bit. I don't
[43:23] knows I don't like being called a VTuber just because it's not the same thing. I call my own peanut avatar avatar a ptuber. a super simple burnt peanut face filter with basic mouth and eye tracking. [clears throat] So, um
[43:36] tracking. [clears throat] So, um although like Peanut has not like like like how he responded to the award. I'm honored to accept the best VTuber of the that's okay. Little miscommunication there peanut tuber but I'm still very
[43:50] honored. So even though he didn't like take the mantle on of like being like a like being a VTuber he um he still like accepted it in grace and was like yeah I Peanut for that. I'd blame the award show, right? Like like that that like to
[44:04] and like that that probably should have been the most successful YouTuber. Like YouTubers as it is, but even Iron Mouse came out and defended this and said, counts. Sure. It's like it's a virtual avatar, right? So, um there's like a lot
[44:17] into, but it's it's probably feeding this kind of like oo like penet absolute this kind of like oo like penet absolute evil person. Um, for me, I look, I I'll Path of Exile Mirage announcement is in a couple minutes and I'm going to watch
[44:30] that. Um, but but I'll leave it at this. Like, look, um, just because like I saw this a lot with Kaisen, okay? Like like like just because content uh is is is you don't you don't like the content. Um, that is
[44:43] to say that like Kaisen has some like pretty not for most people content. Like if you're like me and like you're like an old like RPG guy, I I can't like like I watch him. I I've seen some of his stuff. It It's okay. I I can't
[44:56] really watch it. Uh because I just like I I'm just not in that Zoomer mentality, you know? I'm slow. I'm kind of old. I my stuff hurts, you know? Right. Like I I can't like stay on the energy that he has, but a lot of people can. Now, just
[45:11] because that content might not be for me doesn't mean that that content is bad. an opinion that content isn't good and you don't like Kai or you don't like Peanut or whatever doesn't mean that there isn't a huge demographic out there
[45:25] Burnt Peanut is kind of returning Twitch to the website it's supposed to be, that like doesn't get crazy political, doesn't like talk about like a ton of drama. It's like a consistent streaming experience about video games. And I
[45:40] for a really long time. a and that when as in in the way that the burnt pita delivers it, it it kind of adds up that he's reached this kind of success. I But overall, like I see a lot of people, it's like, well, the burnt penis content
[45:54] opinion. I I I don't think I don't think content can suck and I don't think art can suck. I think that art is subjective and content is art. So like if if you think it sucks, then to you it does, but to some other people and obviously to
[46:07] four stadiums per night worth of people, they think it doesn't suck. the market probably what's going on. Now, if you enjoyed this video, you can leave a uh or watch more videos. And again, check out that Patreon if you are really
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