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[04:59] yet? Um, what is your name, age, and place of origin? Yes, yes please. Yes. My origin? Yes, yes please. Yes. My name is Nishioka Hiroshi, and I am 92 years old.
[05:11] え、東京は、上崎 Shall I tell you about
[06:33] that morning, as far as I can remember? Well, how should I put it, it wasn't like they just suddenly dropped bombs. Before that, there was the fact that America had been at war.
[06:45] Before that, there was the fact that America had been at war. Japan was in Showa 16, so that's 1900. What year was it? 40 years ago. Ah, yes. Before that,
[06:59] America and Britain had started a war, but there was one other country that had also been attacked. Do you but there was one other country that had also been attacked. Do you know where that was? Yes, yes. know where that was? Yes, yes. Where was it? I'm really bad at history, so
[07:14] where was it? Was it Asia? Hmm, no, not Asia. Not Asia. It was the Netherlands. Ah, the Netherlands. Why was that? Why is that? Well, first of all, if you look at the
[07:27] map, you can see that south of Japan is Indonesia. south of Japan is Indonesia. Yes, Indonesia is five times the area of ​​Japan. Its Yes, Indonesia is five times the area of ​​Japan. Its population is twice as large. There are many of these large islands, and
[07:39] all of them were Dutch territories. Ah, I see. Yes, yes. And Dutch territories. Ah, I see. Yes, yes. And so, Japan was surrounded by the famous ABCD corporations. What are so, Japan was surrounded by the famous ABCD corporations. What are
[07:55] ABCD? A: Americans. Yes. B: British. Yes. C: Chinese. D: Dutch, I see, yes, yes, yes, yes, that was the situation, uh, yes, that's right, the
[08:07] that was the situation, uh, yes, that's right, the main fighters were America and Great Britain, but that was the main fighters were America and Great Britain, but that was the situation, first of all, at that time there were situation, first of all, at that time there were
[08:22] few Asian countries that were independent and governed by themselves, right? Japan was not Japan, yes, and do you know where else? You've been Japan was not Japan, yes, and do you know where else? You've been answer aside for now, it's Thailand, that's right, Thailand, yes, yes, yes, and all the other countries were colonies of the West, all of them,
[08:40] anyway, Australia and New Zealand were all Western colonies, yes, so that was the Western colonies, yes, so that was the situation, and Japan was surrounded by the ABCD Corporation and couldn't
[08:55] situation, and Japan was surrounded by the ABCD Corporation and couldn't move, I suppose. With move, I suppose. With this, Japan had no oil, no iron, no this, Japan had no oil, no iron, no resources, so it was searching for something to do when the
[09:08] resources, so it was searching for something to do when the attack on Pearl Harbor started and it became a war, and so this was a very reckless war, if you think about it it was reckless, but it couldn't be helped if you start saying that, and the ABC Corporation and the
[09:25] ABC Corporation and the world situation at that time, did the Japanese people understand it at that time? Yes, I suppose so, how much, I guess, I was still in elementary school, so yes, well, Japan and Germany was strong and America was somehow... It's a
[09:43] story that doesn't really have much substance, right? It's just a matter of facing each other head-on, that's right, that's right, yes, yes, in reality, in Europe, Germany had been
[10:13] first Italy was defeated and then Germany surrendered, leaving only Japan, so at that time, I only Japan, so at that time, I
[10:29] Yes, that's right, isn't it? No, it was outrageous, yes, they were
[10:42] ahead of the A, B, C, D, so they were still enemies, right, that's right, that's right, that's right, but it seems that there were many soldiers in some parts of the military who knew that they couldn't possibly win, yes, they
[10:59] couldn't possibly win against the sheer numbers, so it was a very reckless attempt, yes, yes, I don't know now, but I don't know that much, yes, that's right, yes, I was already cheering in elementary school, I see  So, when you elementary school, I see  So, when you visited Nagasaki, three days
[11:15] before that, it was Hiroshima, right? That was the first, quite shocking attack, was n't it? And when you were in Nagasaki at the time, did you
[11:30] called it a new type of bomb. Ah, I see. I think I heard about the atomic bomb bombing around October. Yes, yes, new type, heard about the atomic bomb bombing around October. Yes, yes, new type, new type. So, I wasn't told anything about what kind of new type. So, I wasn't told anything about what kind of damage the new type caused. Yes, it
[11:45] damage the new type caused. Yes, it know any details. I see. So, the people of
[12:05] heard that a new type of bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. They didn't know what the new type was. Yes, of course, it was an new type of bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. They didn't know what the new type was. Yes, of course, it was an atomic bomb, so it's not something that could be atomic bomb, so it's not something that could be discussed at all. They didn't hear any news about the damage, the
[12:19] extent of the damage in Hiroshima, either. They just said that it caused very terrible damage. Up until then, caused very terrible damage. Up until then, Japan had not witnessed an atomic bombing.  。 English:
[12:31] Japan had not witnessed an atomic bombing.  。 English: Well, Japan, with a population of 230,000, had no Well, Japan, with a population of 230,000, had no no bullets for vehicles, and of course no airplanes. It was a matter of being defeated or being defeated.
[12:51] Nagasaki had many military factories, including the factories that made the aerial torpedoes used in the attack on Pearl Harbor. And also Mitsubishi, which built the battleship Musashi. Yes, yes, all of these were in Nagasaki. However, even though such a small place was attacked,
[13:08] such a small place was attacked, Nagasaki did not have any organized air attacks. Nagasaki did not have any organized air attacks. Everyone was very puzzled in their hearts. Why? And what was whispered was that Nagasaki has
[13:23] many Christians, and America is a Christian country, so they didn't bomb it. I see, that kind of thing. No one knows if it's Christian country, so they didn't bomb it. I see, that kind of thing. No one knows if it's true or false, and no one says it because they shouldn't, true or false, and no one says it because they shouldn't,
[13:38] that rumor reached Nagasaki. Yes, yes, it is certainly strange. There are many military factories, and the population is large, and yet there were no organized bombings. At that time, I think everyone was probably a little suspicious, and they thought it was strange, strange, and that it was because there were
[13:54] At that time, I think everyone was probably a little suspicious, and they thought it was strange, strange, and that it was because there were many Christians. But that's not true. There were Christians in Nagasaki before the Meiji era, you know, what do you
[14:13] lot of them at that time, but the Tokugawa shogunate thoroughly suppressed Christianity. Yes, yes, so if you go to Nagasaki, if you've been there, you'll understand. There's a place called
[14:26] Teramachi, where temples are lined up, and they made all the citizens belong there. So there weren't many Christians. Not just not many, I mean, I've never even I've never even seen any in elementary or junior high school in the city. There were that few.
[14:40] seen any in elementary or junior high school in the city. There were that few. Even now, it's said to be less than 1%. That's right. Yes, I see. Well, this is just an aside, said to be less than 1%. That's right. Yes, I see. Well, this is just an aside,
[14:54] but Christian denominations around the world collect donations and spread their faith in various countries, and the least collect donations and spread their faith in various countries, and the least efficient is Japan. That's because the Christian population is small.  So it didn't sway, huh? Ah yes yes I see. And so,
[15:07] population is small.  So it didn't sway, huh? Ah yes yes I see. And so,
[15:20] Mr. Nishioka, after hearing about the new type of bomb in Hiroshima, what was your state of mind on the morning the atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki? Well, that morning, to tell you about what happened before that, of course it wasn't summer yet, so I had the
[15:34] day off. So when the air raid warnings sounded, I didn't have to go out. I had a lot of off. So when the air raid warnings sounded, I didn't have to go out. I had a lot of
[15:46] three-day weekends. Ah I see. Well, we But no organized bombings like that were dropped on Nagasaki, so it's strange, it's strange. Yes, indeed, there are still several
[16:07] military city, they didn't drop an atomic bomb on it. I wonder why. And then, they didn't drop an atomic bomb on it. I wonder why. And then, they didn't
[16:20] drop it on the center of town, but very far away. Yes yes yes. It sounds strange to say there wasn't much of a population, of course there was, but the so-called shopping district and factories were all left intact. Yes yes. So why did they drop it on the edge? That's the
[16:37] So why did they drop it on the edge? That's the mystery. It's still a mystery. Right, I see, so it's been solved. Yes, and at that time, I said that the clouds were said that the clouds were floating around softly. Yes, so I apologized. Yes, what was the
[16:52] floating around softly. Yes, so I apologized. Yes, what was the purpose of the bombing? Was it originally intended to be dropped on the downtown area? No, I don't know. It's just a purpose of the bombing? Was it originally intended to be dropped on the downtown area? No, I don't know. It's just a mystery. I see, yes, yes, yes. It's very strange, so when I
[17:05] very strange, so when I read the equation now, it clearly says that when he saw the read the equation now, it clearly says that when he saw the roof of the Mitsubishi Weapons in Nagasaki, he roof of the Mitsubishi Weapons in Nagasaki, he
[17:20] pressed the switch to the bombing site and gave the order to
[17:38] exactly 3.3km. Yes, it was a school day, so I went to school. Yes, but actually, it was a holiday.  When I
[17:51] went there, I didn't know if there were classes or not, which is impossible, why? Well, classes were on the 1st, and the 7th was a
[18:07] school day. Then the 8th was a holiday, and the 9th was a school day. But when I went there, nothing started. It was strange, so strange. And I found out later that I went there on the
[18:20] And I found out later that I went there on the 7th, which was a school day. Then, at night, or maybe in the evening, I don't know, but someone from the school called and contacted about three people. Those three people contacted 45 people. So, what kind of message was it? It was that there was military work tomorrow, the 8th, so everyone had to go, and in exchange, elementary and middle
[18:37] what kind of message was it? It was that there was military work tomorrow, the 8th, so everyone had to go, and in exchange, elementary and middle message was. Yes, yes, everyone, you know, went out to play on the night of the 7th, or they did
[18:52] n't go because it was too far and it was too much trouble. So, the yes, so those who were saved were lucky. They were evacuated without knowing.
[19:07] lucky. They were evacuated without knowing. saying anything. I thought it was strange, so a few of us went to the school, you know, it's actually thought it was strange, so a few of us went to the school, you know, it's actually
[19:25] said to be 3kg 3.3km, so we decided to go ask a teacher. But it turned out that the single teacher in the staff room. So there was no way to ask them. And at that time, the
[19:44] radio had stopped, so only information about the empty room was being broadcast. A only information about the empty room was being broadcast. A boarding student had left the radio somewhere and put it with the principal or someone on his way back, and after asking the man, he came back to report the results in a
[19:57] loud voice. And we were in the next room, so we could hear the student's direction very well. The radio was currently
[20:10] well. The radio was currently broadcasting, and it was saying broadcasting, and it was saying exactly what the radio was saying. Shimabara and Nishi are both above Nagasaki City, so yes, it was actually 34 minutes.
[20:27] Well, they pass over Nagasaki city in about 5 minutes, but there's an announcement and at 34 minutes you hear a buzzing sound, and there it is. At that time, you might wonder why we could say something so carefree as "here it comes," because back then, the
[20:40] US military would suddenly start flying planes and wouldn't drop any bombs on the bombing targets. They were taking pictures or doing whatever they wanted. Then the air raid siren would sound, and once the
[20:55] station was far away it would become a warning alert, and once it was gone somewhere, the warning alert would be lifted. However, the number of these flights in the first and second phases increased dramatically. So, a new warning system called an information alert was established below the warning alert. I see, and when it's an
[21:13] information alert, you know they wo n't drop any bombs. The n't drop any bombs. The second phase was working on the Shimabara Peninsula, and at 34 minutes it was buzzing, and we were like, "Oh, here it comes!" That's why it did
[21:25] second phase was working on the Shimabara Peninsula, and at 34 minutes it was buzzing, and we were like, "Oh, here it comes!" That's why it did knew from experience that they wouldn't drop any more bombs. So, they came buzzing, and suddenly, wow!
[21:45] And the roar got louder, and I suddenly thought, yeah, it's getting more intense, yeah, I thought I'd see what kind of flight it was, so I rushed towards the direction of the explosion, and in an instant, it was an explosion. Ah, I see, yeah, I was
[21:57] looking at the law, no, not the direction, but the light, but anyway, the light of the atomic bomb is often described as a flash, yes, it was a flash, like someone turned on a flashlight, but it was flashlight, but it was incredible, the whole room, in an
[22:12] incredible, the whole room, in an instant, if I recall the color from memory it was a mix of yellow and pink, like being immersed in a liquid, yeah, it was more than just a liquid, yeah, it was more than just a flash, yeah, it was like my eyes were being squeezed,
[22:26] it was like a sea of ​​light flashed for an instant, and then the speed of sound caught up, yes yes yes yes, that's right, and I was there, behind the school, there's a tennis
[22:41] court, I don't know what it was, but I thought the bomb had fallen there, yes yes, so at that time, how should I put it, during a but I thought the bomb had fallen there, yes yes, so at that time, how should I put it, during a bombing, we were made to assume this posture, yeah, eyes, eyes, ears  They
[22:56] ears  They held my mouth open and told me to lie down, but they also held my eyes open, trying to prevent them from popping out, and held my ears, trying to prevent my eardrums from bursting, and then it happened. I was eardrums from bursting, and then it happened. I was
[23:13] expecting a loud bang and a beep, but there was no sound, so I thought, "What's going on?" It was about 14 seconds, thought, "What's going on?" It was about 14 seconds, 3 seconds, 4 seconds, 5 seconds, and I thought something was wrong, and when I 3 seconds, 4 seconds, 5 seconds, and I thought something was wrong, and when I stood up, the bug hit me, the shockwave. That's right, there was the
[23:30] stood up, the bug hit me, the shockwave. That's right, there was the this is it," and at that moment, for the first time in my life, or rather, the only time it's ever happened, I thought I was going to
[23:46] 56th room, 56th room, and I was lying down with my head in my hands, not lying down, but I was curled up and couldn't move, and then, I don't know if my and I was lying down with my head in my hands, not lying down, but I was curled up and couldn't move, and then, I don't know if my
[24:06] thought that he had gone, but they all came over me, and I was at the bottom, and I couldn't breathe, and it was painful.  Ah, thanks to that, I was dead, ah, it was
[24:21] I was dead, ah, it was completely the opposite direction, and the people around me were covered in completely the opposite direction, and the people around me were covered in glass and blood, ah, yes, glass and blood, ah, yes, that shock wave, I guess you'd call it an explosion, how many
[24:34] seconds did it last? I remember it being quite long, it was remember it being quite long, it was
[24:48] later, it was an atomic bomb, of course I didn't know it was an atomic bomb, yes, the course I didn't know it was an atomic bomb, yes, the
[25:02] whole area became a vacuum, uh, yes, at that moment it became a vacuum and then when it ended it went back up to that moment it became a vacuum and then when it ended it went back up to tens of thousands of atmospheres, uh, so there was no blood, ah, I see, so what happened tens of thousands of atmospheres, uh, so there was no blood, ah, I see, so what happened after the explosion? That's right, that's right, so
[25:14] after the explosion? That's right, that's right, so later I found out that the later I found out that the explosion was on the other side but the tower was explosion was on the other side but the tower was bent in the opposite direction, uh, I think it was the
[25:30] bent in the opposite direction, uh, I think it was the shock wave pushing back, it was also a difficult problem because of the pressure, shock wave pushing back, it was also a difficult problem because of the pressure, uh, I think, surprisingly, this is uh, I think, surprisingly, this is n't talked about, uh, yes, and what happened after the shock wave
[25:44] n't talked about, uh, yes, and what happened after the shock wave and the sound were all over? Yes, and then it was over, and then it was over, yes, and then the blood flowed all around んがきんわん English: So they were doing it, and they were all junior high school students, and they all had their hands on their
[25:59] waists, like Japanese knots, and they used them to stop the bleeding, and bleeding, and while they were doing that, they got scared and realized they could n't keep up, so they tied up knots and completely stopped the
[26:16] bleeding, and before they could even check, they all ran away, and the direction they ran was the where they fell, I see, so they just ran, and
[26:30] where they ran to, you ask, the school is in Nagasaki, there are a lot of slopes, yes, it's school is in Nagasaki, there are a lot of slopes, yes, it's very, I don't want to compare it to Hiroshima, yes, there are mountains, or rather, high mountains, so there are
[26:47] mountains on both sides, and the part where they fell was blocked by the mountains, that's the part that was saved, yes, yes, yes, and so they
[26:59] dug a horizontal air-raid shelter on the slope, yes, yes, an air-raid shelter, yes, it was really just about running, yes, that kind of thing  I air-raid shelter, yes, it was really just about running, yes, that kind of thing  I
[27:15] all sorts of people came towards me, and I was running away and it was strange, everyone had fallen near me, they were coming from this direction and fell there, they were coming from this direction and fell here, I guess I landed beside them, I don't know, well,
[27:33] thought I landed beside them, so I don't know what's going on, but anyway I was hiding in the air raid shelter, and then, well, there wasn't a but anyway I was hiding in the air raid shelter, and then, well, there wasn't a
[27:48] everyone had fallen near me, near me, I landed beside me, and there wasn't a single wisp of smoke, and of course landed beside me, and there wasn't a single wisp of smoke, and of course
[28:00] fire, not a single wisp of smoke, yeah, yeah, yeah, not a single wisp of smoke, ah, I wonder why, so it was not a single wisp of smoke, ah, I wonder why, so it was beyond my comprehension, yes, beyond imagination, beyond imagination, yes, yes, my beyond my comprehension, yes, beyond imagination, beyond imagination, yes, yes, my
[28:17] friend was on the way forward, yes, pillars of n't know this either, I thought, what about my side, my house?  When I looked, it seemed like the pillar of fire wasn't rising, so I
[28:31] decided that our place was probably okay. So I said to my friend, "Okay, I'll take you there," and the two of us walked in a crowd towards the blast site. It was
[28:52] Nagasaki don't have many roads leading to the suburbs, and the roads going in that direction were roads going in that direction were overflowing with refugees. Of course, there were overflowing with refugees. Of course, there were people walking along steadily, and I didn't have
[29:07] people walking along steadily, and I didn't have time to look around for a whole day, but the most striking thing was seeing several time to look around for a whole day, but the most striking thing was seeing several
[29:19] covered in blood, of course. And then there were mothers holding babies, all then there were mothers holding babies, all silent. And then there were men carrying important fire-fighting equipment, and it was so crowded that my silent. And then there were men carrying important fire-fighting equipment, and it was so crowded that my
[29:38] went in the opposite direction. Nagasaki is known for its hills, Nagasaki is known for its hills, but this was the epicenter, and the fire was so intense that we could n't go any further.  It was probably around 2 or 3 pm then, and my
[29:54] 2 or 3 pm then, and my friend said, "Well, I'm still going to the emergency room today, so I'm going to sleep," and he couldn't come back, so we parted ways there. And so I was alone, and to get back I had to go through the downtown area, that downtown area, all by myself, and I ran
[30:06] I was alone, and to get back I had to go through the downtown area, that downtown area, all by myself, and I ran dark, like a solar eclipse, yes, there was smoke, and that's what a mushroom cloud is like, and of
[30:21] course we were under the mushroom so we couldn't see it this clearly, but later, when I looked at a picture or something, I thought, "Ah, it's so thin, like a solar eclipse," Nagasaki, yes, yes, I wonder
[30:34] thin, like a solar eclipse," Nagasaki, yes, yes, I wonder how far our house was destroyed, it was destroyed, it was destroyed all the way, and eventually our house was how far our house was destroyed, it was destroyed, it was destroyed all the way, and eventually our house was destroyed too, destroyed too, but thankfully, there were no dead people in my family or
[30:48] serious injuries, ah, that was good, that was really good, but everyone was like, "Why? Why? Where did it fall?", it was beyond comprehension, that
[31:01] atomic bomb, but even if you tried to, what do you call it, it was something you had never experienced, something you had never heard of, it was incomprehensible, but anyway, the experienced, something you had never heard of, it was incomprehensible, but anyway, the
[31:18] 15th, when Japan Japan surrendered. What was the situation like in Nagasaki during the six days leading up to that? Well, those who didn't flee, so-called evacuate, were
[31:38] injured and couldn't be brought out or transported. Then there was the factory, and they couldn't come back. Almost everyone was waiting, wondering when they would return. And during that time, there was a
[31:55] Almost everyone was waiting, wondering when they would return. And during that time, there was a Yes, that's right. So, what exactly were you doing during that time, Mr. Nishioka? Well, I was just
[32:10] exactly were you doing during that time, Mr. Nishioka? Well, I was just waiting at home? Waiting? I was trembling. And the next day, I went to school. The reason I went to
[32:22] school in such terrible circumstances was to maintain a perfect attendance record. I see, yes, yes, yes. Kids today probably would n't understand that. Right?
[32:34] Kids who are truant, in this peaceful era where they can study, not going to school... I going to school... I think it's sacrilegious. Right?  I went to school because I wanted to maintain my perfect attendance record, that's all. So, were you ultimately able to maintain your perfect
[32:51] ultimately able to maintain your perfect attendance record? Well, I don't know, I went back then, and there were only about
[33:03] 30 students, and in my grade, there were only 230 students. Yes, everyone was aiming for perfect attendance. I see,
[33:16] everyone was aiming for perfect attendance. Yes, that was a long time ago. I see, and on the 15th, I 15th, I what were your feelings at that time? Well, they were broadcasting what's called jamming signals.
[33:33] broadcasting what's called jamming signals. Yes, some soldiers were making a racket so we couldn't hear anything. Yes, yes, and we were at the time when the Soviet Union had
[33:47] unilaterally broken the Soviet-Japanese Treaty and attacked Manchuria. Yes, yes, so we thought it was a war, so we were making a racket. And then in the evening, my sister came to me and
[34:06] said, "Japan has lost." Yes, I was surprised. Yes, we fought to the end.  We had been expecting it, so when they said we'd lost, we really cried out loud. We thought it was
[34:21] said we'd lost, we really cried out loud. We thought it was ridiculous, but they ridiculous, but they said it was true, so we really did cry. And then, the said it was true, so we really did cry. And then, the
[34:36] 230 of us, and the teacher said, "Anyone wearing shoes, please come forward. Shoes are
[34:51] n't the kind you'd expect." There were people wearing just their underwear. There were people who wearing just their underwear. There were people who came to school like that. There was just no stuff. So, it seemed that there had been
[35:11] help. We were given shovels. There were 5 students and shovels. There were 5 students and 2 teachers, 7 people in total, and we were heading straight into the blast. So, 2 teachers, 7 people in total, and we were heading straight into the blast. So,
[35:28] I got to see the aftermath of the bombing quite clearly. And what was life like mainly after the war ended? what was life like mainly after the war ended?
[35:41] This is very strange, but...  During the war, there was even less food than during the war. war, there was even less food than during the war. Yes, this still puzzles me to this day. During the war, people would send food to their families for the sake of their country, I understand that. Yes, but after the
[35:56] war ended, the food situation was worse. I wonder ended, the food situation was worse. I wonder why that was. I still do why that was. I still do n't know. Maybe it was because the shock of the end of the war, the
[36:09] n't know. Maybe it was because the shock of the end of the war, the fact that Japan had lost, paralyzed people? What do you think? I don't think that was the case. People will do almost anything to eat, so yes, that's true. Yes, I see. I do think that was the case. People will do almost anything to eat, so yes, that's true. Yes, I see. I do
[36:27] two years. Two years. Yes, yes, yes. And that's another mystery. Yes, I don't know. It was a situation I didn't really understand, but at least you were alive. Yes, in the fields. So you would go
[36:41] shopping and give things to farmers. Yes, yes, we did that a lot. Yes, the war ended around the end of the year, and after autumn passed, these people were exposed to the bomb, or rather, they were from the
[36:58] bomb site, or even near the hypocenter, but they were people who were working outside the strongholds or working underground.  Some people come back with only minor injuries. Yes, yes, it's the opposite, it's really bad, they come back bruised and
[37:10] people come back with only minor injuries. Yes, yes, it's the opposite, it's really bad, they come back bruised and grimacing. We come back from the pits and say, "It's all good, it's all from the pits and say, "It's all good, it's all
[37:44] fall out, and if it's like that, it's no good. And then those people who came back unharmed start to die one after another. It was scary. Did the symptoms appear within a relatively short period of time? Yes, as far as
[37:57] scary. Did the symptoms appear within a relatively short period of time? Yes, as far as people who take two or three years, but I don't know anyone like that. So I can't
[38:10] say anything about things I don't know, but anyway, those people who came back unharmed, from mild injuries to severe ones, start to die one after
[38:24] another from around the end of the year. That's right, it was scary. Yes, yes, that's right, because you never know.  Okay, so the cause is, yes, yes, I understand that it's probably due to the effects of the atomic bomb, but even doctors don't have any experience treating it, and, well, Mr.
[38:42] even doctors don't have any experience treating it, and, well, Mr. Nishioka, personally, I've experienced something like that, well, my gums started bleeding, but, well, bleeding gums aren't that bleeding, but, well, bleeding gums aren't that
[39:00] I did n't think much of it. And, how long did that last? I n't think much of it. And, how long did that last? I
[39:17] n't think anything of it at all, I just thought, oh, so, I thought, oh, so, it was like, oh, so, umbilical syndrome can
[39:33] appear in the second or third generation, right? Yes, well, I don't know anything specific about that, no, I don't have any I don't know anything specific about that, no, I don't have any experience, so, I mean, I've never experienced it, so, I experience, so, I mean, I've never experienced it, so, I
[39:53] syndrome? Yes, there was. Was it pretty bad? Yes, there was. Was it pretty bad? Or was it just mild? My sister was working at a military factory, you see. Yes, yes. My sister was
[40:08] Yes, yes. My sister was saved by some kind of coincidence, but Nishioka-san, when did you take your saved by some kind of coincidence, but Nishioka-san, when did you take your summer vacation? I'm sorry, but she couldn't summer vacation? I'm sorry, but she couldn't switch shifts with me, so she wasn't at the factory that day. Ah, I see. Yes, yes. Her
[40:21] switch shifts with me, so she wasn't at the factory that day. Ah, I see. Yes, yes. Her friends were back home, right? And around the end of the year, about three people I knew who were close to my sister died.
[40:38] I was at Nagasaki Junior High School, and yes, I had a friend in junior high who suffered and yes, I had a friend in junior high who suffered very severe burns. His wife was also a survivor of the atomic bombing, and they didn't know what kind of child they would have, so they never had
[40:54] children. Yes, yes. I have a friend like that. Yes, I found out the truth that it was radiation sickness much
[41:10] later. Later, yes, yes. Anyway, for some or their injuries would heal and they would die.  As for that phenomenon, there were a lot of people around so I
[41:25] that phenomenon, there were a lot of people around so I saw and heard about it, but I wonder if the word "radiation" was used back then. Well, it was an saw and heard about it, but I wonder if the word "radiation" was used back then. Well, it was an lot of those guys. And the scratches on the glass, you can
[41:42] remove them with tweezers, right? But you can't do that with burns. There was no medicine, right? There was no medicine and no doctors, so there was a rumor that cucumber worked well.
[41:55] Cucumber? Yes, cucumber, you put it on. Ah, yes, because you put it on the burned wound, all the cucumbers disappeared from around Nagasaki. Ah, yes,
[42:08] rumor or something. Ah, I see, yes, yes, yes, if someone said that cucumber worked or something, then they would just someone said that cucumber worked or something, then they would just
[42:27] and the distance disappeared, so they would just jump at anything, yes, yes, anything.  I think it's fine now, I don't really have any questions about whether it's true or not,
[42:44] who started this, but they said that no grass would grow in Nagasaki for the next 60 years, that no grass would grow, yes, but then spring came, and it started to get
[42:59] better, and in the spring, the sprouts of grass came out, and I was so happy, yes, I actually cried at that time, yes, the grass was burning, it was new grass,
[43:13] it was like a glimmer of hope sprouted, and it was not something to make a fuss about, so I didn't tell anyone about it, but I was so happy that the grass had grown, yes, I'll never
[43:25] but I was so happy that the grass had grown, yes, I'll never forget it, yes, that's right, yes, and, well, I just noticed something in this video, Mr. Ishioka, you can speak English quite well, sometimes you come up with English
[43:42] words with pretty good pronunciation, but, well, what is that, I wonder, but, well, what is that, I wonder, compared to during the war and after the war, have your
[43:57] personal feelings towards America changed at all?  No, I don't, I don't, how should I put it, emotions, the other day it was about should I put it, emotions, the other day it was about destroying America and Britain, planting [ __ ] in them, yes, that's right, what
[44:13] destroying America and Britain, planting [ __ ] in them, yes, that's right, what kind of emotions, I guess I was kind of emotions, I guess I was emotionless, yes, now there was a cat there and there were corpses and injured people but I did n't feel sorry for them, I was really emotionless, yes, I
[44:29] n't feel sorry for them, I was really emotionless, yes, I long did that feeling last? How long was the feeling, well, right now, my
[44:51] grudge, it's not something like that, yes, and speaking of that, there were yes, and speaking of that, there were
[45:05] n't really like festive celebrations, so on the 51st anniversary, there was this 51st anniversary, there was this group called the Japan Anti-Bullet Cult, and through them I went around group called the Japan Anti-Bullet Cult, and through them I went around America recounting the bombing experience, and what
[45:20] America recounting the bombing experience, and what I was thinking at the time was that I shouldn't do it with anti- I was thinking at the time was that I shouldn't do it with anti- American feelings, and also American feelings, and also
[45:34] n't say that, well, I've never seen hell, and if I don't say that, it'll turn into a search, I've never seen hell, and if I don't say that, it'll turn into a search, so I made sure to keep those two things so I made sure to keep those two things firmly in mind. And as you
[45:48] firmly in mind. And as you talked about that experience, how did you explain it? talked about that experience, how did you explain it? often use? No, I just said it as it was. Yes, just as I saw it. Yes, like what you
[46:04] said earlier. Yes, that's right. Because I can't say anything more than that, and well, because I don't know, so I can't say things like what that person said or anything like that. I said that,
[46:17] that person said or anything like that. I said that, absolutely. I see. And have you ever been to America on your own? The
[46:31] own? The first time I went was after I started working for a company, so you were already a working adult. Yes, yes, that was for work.
[46:44] that was for work. What were your feelings when you actually arrived in America? Well, that was for work, and before that, well, I was involved in the
[46:57] work, and before that, well, I was involved in the US trade, so  So you had contact with Americans? Yes, yes, just once. I said I wanted to stay in Nagasaki. And they said, "
[47:09] I said I wanted to stay in Nagasaki. And they said, " atomic bomb," and they made fun of the whole country and opened up trade. Uh, well, I've always
[47:25] I've always thought that I would never talk about the atomic bomb with Americans. So I never talked about it again thought that I would never talk about the atomic bomb with Americans. So I never talked about it again after that. I see. Uh, well, I didn't really think that, how should I put it, that it was a big deal, but if they asked me to talk about it, I would talk about it, I would talk about it, after that. I see. Uh, well, I didn't really think that, how should I put it, that it was a big deal, but if they asked me to talk about it, I would talk about it, I would talk about it,
[47:53] this is no good, this is no good, the atomic bomb must never happen again with Americans, and I've always thought that. And even now, in this video, I'm
[48:07] talking about the atomic bomb all over the world, so when did you have a change of heart? Uh, well, it was the change of heart? Uh, well, it was the 50th anniversary of the bombing, and I was in my 51st year, and when I
[48:20] went there, they always listened very well. Uh, uh, they listened attentively no matter where I went. Uh, well, this is really, how should I put it, I try to keep myself  I felt
[48:39] strongly that I had to talk about what I had seen. But that's why I said I'd stop being anti-American. I've never said anything about being anti-American or saying it was like hell, so I thought I should stop doing that. thought I should stop doing that. Those two things are the only things I've always upheld, even now. And even now, there are still
[48:54] Those two things are the only things I've always upheld, even now. And even now, there are still various various wars going on all over the world, and there are still countries that possess nuclear weapons, right? wars going on all over the world, and there are still countries that possess nuclear weapons, right?
[49:09] What do you think about those, personally? Well, personally, I think it can't be helped. Yes, for some people, it's absolutely unacceptable. There are many people who say that, but unacceptable. There are many people who say that, but that doesn't give much courage, or rather, it can't be helped. I
[49:23] that doesn't give much courage, or rather, it can't be helped. I n't happen, but even if you say that, I think it's impossible in today's world. Yes, so I see, I see. It's not like we're in a
[49:35] but even if you say that, I think it's impossible in today's world. Yes, so I see, I see. It's not like we're in a world where we can say, "Let's stop making them because the atomic bomb survivors say so." Yes, I see. And even now, quite a few
[49:52] Hiroshima and Nagasaki and...  Even though they probably know about the atomic bomb, they still go to see it, right? Yes, yes, do you have any thoughts about that? Well, I don't
[50:06] any thoughts about that? Well, I don't think the atomic bomb has become a tourist attraction, but for a moment they must have this curiosity to wonder what kind of place it was, and it's hard not to want to. So, I don't think we should
[50:25] close the Atomic Bomb Museum because of that kind of strange curiosity. It can't be helped. Right? So, is there any
[50:41] I don't. Well, once you've seen it, you should just look around and ask if you have any seen it, you should just look around and ask if you have any
[51:09] questions. I can only say what I know. So, I've never raised my voice and said, "The atomic bomb isn't something to look at," and I don't feel that way either. Right. When you ask me that question
[51:24] again, I'm at a loss, sorry. I just want them to experience it, feel it, and take it home with them. Right. So, conversely, is there anywhere in Nagasaki that you would recommend?
[51:36] Nagasaki, Nagasaki is even sung about by popular singers, and there are But it certainly has something that other cities don't have. That city is like, "If you go to Nagasaki, you should definitely see this place." But as you
[51:55] mentioned earlier, the influence of Christianity is quite strong in Nagasaki, and that gives it a different flavor from other cities. Yes, yes, well, there aren't many traces of Christianity left in Nagasaki,
[52:07] Christianity left in Nagasaki, at least not in Nagasaki. Oh, really? That's right. There's the remains of a paradise, and there's the at least not in Nagasaki. Oh, really? That's right. There's the remains of a paradise, and there's the
[52:19] Oura Angel Hall in Kunikata, but even that was built by the French, and when it was built, it was during the Meiji era, believers started gathering there, and Meiji era, believers started gathering there, and that was 250 years later. After the Christians were laid to rest, they continued to spread the teachings, and when the restrictions were lifted, it was still there.
[52:33] that was 250 years later. After the Christians were laid to rest, they continued to spread the teachings, and when the restrictions were lifted, it was still there. think the power of religion is incredible.  There are times when you have to tell the
[52:52] times when you have to tell the children of today about the facts and experiences of the atomic bomb, children of today about the facts and experiences of the atomic bomb,
[53:04] but is there a message you would like the children of today to take away from that? Yes, that's it. Of course, I mean that you should never children of today to take away from that? Yes, that's it. Of course, I mean that you should never
[53:23] possess nuclear weapons. So I would tell my children that I will always tell them about what I experienced. I see. I remember telling my children to experienced. I see. I remember telling my children to
[53:40] listen to their father and to sit down. That's true. So I think the children think that their father is doing all sorts of hard work to help them. I understand. So, hard work to help them. I understand. So,
[53:57] lastly, I think that most of the people watching this video are foreigners, so after everything you've said so foreigners, so after everything you've said so far, do you have any message for everyone watching this video? Yes, yes,
[54:14] nuclear weapons are bombs, so don't possess them, Of course, it's impossible to say "don't have it" anymore, but it's also
[54:26] impossible to say "don't have it" anymore, but it's also impossible to use it. This might seem like a contradictory opinion, but I
[54:40] Mr. Nishioka, thank you very much for sharing such valuable insights with us today.
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