[0:00] quick who would win Spider-Man or link
[0:03] how about Captain America versus Batman
[0:05] or Gojo versus journo Power scaling is a
[0:09] controversial and complex form of media
[0:11] analysis but it's also one of my
[0:13] favorites for some people the only
[0:15] exposure to the Hobby is dorks on
[0:18] Twitter commenting don't care Goku
[0:20] Stomps under any post about another
[0:22] character but there's actually multiple
[0:25] large communities full of fun and
[0:27] thought-provoking conversation and that
[0:29] is the side of it that I want to share
[0:31] with you today this Iceberg will cover
[0:33] everything you'll need to know about the
[0:35] mechanics and Concepts behind power
[0:37] scaling as well as some of the more
[0:39] common debates memes and even some
[0:42] controversies getting more and more
[0:44] Niche the deeper we descend this is the
[0:47] power scaling
[0:54] Iceberg tier
[0:57] one these are simple Concepts and ideas
[1:00] that are very easy to grasp if you've
[1:02] ever seen anyone discuss who would win
[1:04] in a fight you've probably seen these
[1:06] terms thrown around power scaling power
[1:10] scaling is the comparison of different
[1:11] characters powers to discern which is
[1:14] likely to win in a hypothetical battle
[1:17] the basis of all power scaling is
[1:19] transitive relation I know that sounds
[1:21] big it's not if a is bigger than B and B
[1:26] is bigger than C then a is most likely
[1:29] bigger bigger than C it's that simple as
[1:32] an example we've seen that Naruto beats
[1:35] pain in a fight and pain beat Kakashi so
[1:39] even though they never fight at this
[1:40] point in the series we can determine
[1:42] that Naruto is stronger than Kakashi
[1:45] this also works with characters across
[1:47] different franchises instead of
[1:49] comparing who they've beaten a fight we
[1:51] compare their stats and what they've
[1:53] accomplished attack
[1:56] potency one of the most important stats
[1:58] to consider when power killing a
[2:00] character attack potency is just how
[2:02] much damage a character can do this
[2:04] might be from how they Punch Kick shoot
[2:07] a laser cast a spell whatever the point
[2:10] is how much damage can they do a lot of
[2:13] the time this will be measured literally
[2:14] and scientifically we see the Hulk punch
[2:17] through this wall made of concrete and
[2:19] after we do some math we know this punch
[2:21] is at least 100 Newtons of force much of
[2:25] the time power scalers develop shorthand
[2:27] for when they don't want to or can't
[2:29] calculate specifically how much force a
[2:32] character exerts something like kid
[2:34] Goku's Kamehameha blew up a car so we
[2:37] know his attack potency is at least car
[2:40] level this is less than super boy whose
[2:43] heat vision destroyed a building so he's
[2:45] building
[2:46] level
[2:48] durability durability is simple how much
[2:51] force can a character take before they
[2:53] pass out or die some characters have
[2:56] average human durability a single bullet
[2:58] from a handgun could would end them but
[3:01] stronger characters often take much more
[3:03] powerful attacks and aren't hurt at all
[3:06] Feats a feat is a citable example of a
[3:09] character showing one of their stats if
[3:12] all might punched so hard he created a
[3:15] tornado that is a strength feat and can
[3:17] be referenced in discussions about him
[3:19] as proof that his punches are at least
[3:22] that strong now sometimes people will
[3:25] discuss anti Feats or instances where a
[3:28] character looks particularly weak or
[3:30] Showcases of vulnerability this isn't
[3:32] super common but it does
[3:34] happen speed this is one that seems
[3:38] simple but is actually pretty
[3:39] complicated in some matchups at its core
[3:42] speed is calculated as distance traveled
[3:45] over time 10 mph a meter per second Etc
[3:51] where this gets complex is when you
[3:52] compare how fast the character runs to
[3:55] how quickly they can react to an
[3:57] incoming punch for example or or if
[4:00] their flying speed is actually faster
[4:02] than their running speed
[4:04] Etc one punch man onep punch man is a
[4:08] web comic Manga and Anime originally
[4:11] created by one who also authored mob
[4:13] psycho 100 the main character is saitama
[4:16] a superhero who is comically far more
[4:19] powerful than every other hero and
[4:21] villain in his series saitama frequently
[4:24] appears in versus debates and most
[4:26] people erroneously assume that he can
[4:28] win a fight against any any character
[4:30] out of all of fiction because that's his
[4:33] gimmick we'll get into why that's wrong
[4:35] a little later but for now all you need
[4:37] to know is that there's a sizable group
[4:39] of people who believe the one punch man
[4:41] is the strongest character in all of
[4:44] fiction
[4:46] range range is how far away a Target can
[4:49] be and still feel the effect of an
[4:51] attack a good example is the Punisher
[4:54] who has a range feet of just over 2
[4:56] miles sniping someone with a very
[4:59] powerful gun but instead of projectile
[5:02] attacks range could also be about how
[5:04] wide a character could spread a force
[5:06] field how far away someone can be and
[5:08] still have a telepathic connection Etc
[5:11] range is all about distance and how
[5:14] effective an ability is based on that
[5:16] distance
[5:19] stamina this is how long a character can
[5:22] last before they become exhausted a
[5:24] great example of this most people
[5:26] understand that Goku is far stronger and
[5:29] faster than Naruto but Goku's greatest
[5:32] battles typically last an hour or less
[5:35] while Naruto has battled non-stop for
[5:38] over 24 hours and still he's tossing out
[5:41] high level attacks at the end Naruto has
[5:43] more
[5:44] stamina
[5:46] intelligence how smart a character is
[5:49] but this actually has some important
[5:51] variance most people assume intelligence
[5:53] is about how good you are at math but
[5:56] there are many forms of intelligence
[5:58] Ingenuity or the ability to to come up
[6:00] with new ideas quickly and effectively
[6:02] is a very valuable type of intelligence
[6:04] in battles someone like Spider-Man has
[6:06] this in Spades but this is entirely
[6:09] different from kinesthetic intelligence
[6:11] or Mastery of the body characters like
[6:14] Goku or Gojo can perform complex and
[6:17] difficult martial arts after just seeing
[6:19] them once this is a very powerful form
[6:22] of intelligence that is completely
[6:24] separate from mathematical or logical
[6:27] reasoning Goku wins
[6:30] this refers to how sort of like there
[6:32] are those who think saitama is the
[6:34] strongest character ever there are a lot
[6:36] of people who think Goku is the
[6:38] strongest character ever and love to
[6:40] make sure everybody knows it they are
[6:43] wrong of course and usually they're just
[6:45] doing a little harmless trolling which
[6:46] is all in good fun but unfortunately
[6:49] these are the people who tend to make
[6:51] others disillusioned with power scaling
[6:53] and view the whole hobby as a brainless
[6:56] shouting match tier two
[7:01] this tier has some of the ideas and
[7:03] vernacular of those who have already
[7:05] engaged in a few debates
[7:09] bfr bfr or Battlefield removal is a
[7:13] potential win condition in some debates
[7:16] consider Superman is fighting The Hulk
[7:18] and instead of punching him really hard
[7:20] or using his heat vision Superman throws
[7:23] the Hulk into space now Hulk may be able
[7:26] to survive in space but he has no way of
[7:28] actually making it back to Earth to
[7:30] finish the fight even though he doesn't
[7:33] die Hulk still loses this fight because
[7:35] he was removed from the battlefield he
[7:38] was
[7:39] bfr environmental
[7:41] destruction this is a character's
[7:43] non-battle attack potency essentially
[7:46] when a character is so strong that they
[7:48] damage the world around them without
[7:50] intentionally attacking it maybe a
[7:53] character is constantly on fire like the
[7:55] Human Torch and just by standing still
[7:57] he burns the grass that he stands on how
[7:59] much damage he does passively to the
[8:01] environment can be used to add Credence
[8:04] to calculated attack potency or even
[8:07] describe why for instance Captain Cold's
[8:09] freeze gun wouldn't affect him
[8:13] Canon Canon is the concept of continuity
[8:16] or rather the idea that specific
[8:18] versions of characters exist with unique
[8:22] histories abilities and Feats once you
[8:25] understand the idea of Canon you can
[8:26] grasp that there are many different
[8:28] versions of a single character there's
[8:31] pre-crisis Superman post crisis Superman
[8:34] New 52 Superman rebirth Superman reev
[8:37] Superman caval Superman DC Au Superman
[8:41] and many others only then can you grasp
[8:45] how silly of a question Goku versus
[8:47] Superman really is well which versions
[8:50] are we talking about are we doing some
[8:52] sort of amalgamation how do you balance
[8:54] that sort of amalgamation and this is
[8:57] why people end up arguing in circles so
[9:00] many Debaters can't wrap their mind
[9:01] around the fact that there are different
[9:03] iterations of a single character which
[9:06] leads us to Goku versus
[9:09] Superman this is a debate that ravaged
[9:12] the internet for literal decades the
[9:14] Allure is obvious Superman is notorious
[9:17] for always being strong enough to defeat
[9:19] any villain he faces and Goku is the guy
[9:22] who always finds a way to get stronger
[9:24] and come out on top they're both aliens
[9:26] sent to Earth by their parents and end
[9:27] up becoming her greatest protector so of
[9:30] course people want to know which one can
[9:32] punch harder whole thing only got bigger
[9:34] when screw attack's death battle made
[9:36] two videos about the fight with Superman
[9:39] coming out on top both times this was
[9:41] highly controversial both times but
[9:44] we'll talk about death battle in a
[9:45] little bit blood lust this is a term
[9:48] used to describe a status that can be
[9:50] applied to characters in a matchup a
[9:53] bloodlusted character does not act how
[9:55] they normally would instead their
[9:58] personality is erased and they use their
[10:00] entire Arsenal immediately with the
[10:02] intent to kill their opponent this
[10:05] condition is usually used in battles
[10:07] with opponents who typically hold back
[10:09] considerably or those who are too
[10:12] good-natured to try to kill someone
[10:14] think Spider-Man Sonic the Hedgehog or
[10:17] deu
[10:19] noell to noell an attack it's sometimes
[10:22] called tanking is when a character's
[10:25] durability is high enough to take an
[10:27] attack directly and suffer AB absolutely
[10:29] no damage Batman's strongest punch would
[10:32] do nothing to Thor so Thor could noell
[10:36] Batman's punches speed Blitz this is
[10:40] when a character uses their
[10:41] significantly higher speed to take out
[10:44] an opponent before they even have a
[10:45] chance to react someone like the flash
[10:48] or Quicksilver could speed Blitz a
[10:50] character like Daredevil so arguing the
[10:52] fight any further would be
[10:54] redundant
[10:56] hacks hack is a term that comes from a h
[10:59] a cks hacks like you're playing an
[11:02] online game against someone and they're
[11:04] obviously hacking making the fight
[11:06] unfair hacks abilities are those that
[11:08] tend to ignore strength speed durability
[11:11] anything like that for example
[11:13] Spider-Man could obviously beat up
[11:15] Doctor Strange in a fist fight but not
[11:17] if Doctor Strange uses his magic hacks
[11:19] to send Spider-Man to a different
[11:21] dimension or turn him into Play-Doh or
[11:23] revert him back into a baby those are
[11:26] hacks abilities now some of these hacks
[11:28] have specific weaknesses although that
[11:30] tends to happen more often in anime and
[11:33] manga power levels power levels are a
[11:36] concept introduced in Dragon Ball Z it's
[11:39] over
[11:41] 9,000 where a character's strength speed
[11:44] and durability could all be neatly
[11:46] represented in a single number it's
[11:48] where the over 9,000 meme came from
[11:51] measuring a power level even though that
[11:53] was actually a translation error and it
[11:55] was 8,000 but whatever what most people
[11:57] don't get is that power level lels were
[11:59] deliberately introduced to show that
[12:01] with martial artists who wins in a fight
[12:04] comes down to more than just raw power
[12:07] and after the Frieza Saga these were
[12:09] phased out of the series but that didn't
[12:12] stop fans from speculation of what cells
[12:14] power level was or Super Saiyan 3 Goku
[12:18] and this rudimentary form of speculation
[12:20] gave way to what would become a lot of
[12:22] modernday power scaling Alien
[12:26] X Alien X is one of the many aliens that
[12:29] Ben Tennyson can transform into from the
[12:32] Ben 10 series the important thing to
[12:34] note is that he was popularized by Kuro
[12:37] the artist in a video called why Ben 10
[12:39] can beat Goku Superman and pretty much
[12:42] anyone in the video Alien X was gassed
[12:45] up to be completely undefeatable and I
[12:47] want to make note here that his powers
[12:49] are incredibly impressive he was even
[12:51] able to survive the destruction of the
[12:53] universe and then recreate and so most
[12:56] people considered him basically
[12:57] equivalent to God
[12:59] this isn't correct and some of the terms
[13:02] we'll get into later will explain why
[13:04] but the important thing here is that
[13:06] this cemented Alien X up there with Goku
[13:09] and saitama as a popular character for
[13:11] people to tout as the strongest in
[13:14] fiction
[13:16] multipliers a multiplier is a simple
[13:19] numerical value used to describe how
[13:22] much more powerful a character becomes
[13:24] whether it's after a Time skip or after
[13:26] a transformation the most well-known
[13:29] known multiplier is Super Saiyan which
[13:31] boosts the strength speed durability and
[13:34] attack potency of a character by 50
[13:37] times simple multipliers make
[13:39] extrapolating hypothetical Feats very
[13:42] easy if we know that Thor can lift 100
[13:46] tons and his belt of strength gives him
[13:48] a two times multiplier on his strength
[13:51] then we can calculate his max lift at
[13:53] 200 tons
[13:56] easy
[13:58] Stomp a stomp is when one character very
[14:01] very easily defeats their opponent
[14:04] because the matchup was unfair Rock Lee
[14:07] versus the Silver Surfer would be an
[14:10] obvious stomp as the Silver Surfer is so
[14:13] many magnitudes stronger faster and more
[14:16] versatile than Lee so he
[14:19] Stomps Death Battle Death Battle is a
[14:22] long running YouTube web series by screw
[14:25] attack and Rooster Teeth where The Two
[14:27] Hosts whiz and Bo stick power scale two
[14:30] characters and then watch them compete
[14:33] in a versus Battle ultimately declaring
[14:35] a Victor and explaining why they won
[14:38] death battle is a lot of fun to watch
[14:39] and has some really impressive
[14:41] animations sometimes but it's sort of
[14:43] notorious in more serious power scaling
[14:46] circles for how often they get things
[14:48] wrong they frequently use amalgamations
[14:51] of characters ignoring Cannon and
[14:54] confusing the parameters of the fight
[14:56] they also have a habit of rigging it so
[14:58] the less popular character wins even if
[15:01] they shouldn't all to stir up
[15:03] controversy and boost their views in the
[15:05] algorithm with all the angry comments
[15:07] they get and finally sometimes they just
[15:10] post easy Stomps that anyone with any
[15:13] knowledge of power scaling will know the
[15:15] outcome is going to be exactly what they
[15:17] think it is before the video even plays
[15:20] unfair matchups like The Flash versus
[15:22] Quicksilver ultimately death battle is
[15:25] fun but wrong very frequently even
[15:27] though some people treat it like gospel
[15:29] it's
[15:30] not tier
[15:34] three now we're getting to real
[15:36] Community Centric lingo if anyone throws
[15:39] around these terms they either consume
[15:41] power scaling content regularly or they
[15:43] do a little bit of it themselves this
[15:45] doesn't mean they know what they're
[15:46] talking about though so make sure to
[15:48] remember that
[15:51] fallacies a fallacy is a common belief
[15:54] or argument that is based in unsound or
[15:57] incorrect logic there are a lot of
[15:59] fallacies that are frequently used in
[16:01] power scaling debates but to give you an
[16:03] example one of the most common is ad
[16:06] hominin this is where you try to say
[16:08] someone is wrong and your evidence is an
[16:10] attack on the person not the actual
[16:13] character that they're debating about
[16:15] you could tell me that Batman could lift
[16:17] 10 tons and instead of disproving that I
[16:20] could just say that you're stupid and
[16:22] you don't shower enough you you stinky
[16:24] you smell these are insults not
[16:27] arguments and that makes them an ad
[16:30] homonym fallacy we'll get into plenty
[16:32] more fallacies further down the
[16:34] iceberg character induced
[16:37] stupidity this is when a character self-
[16:40] imposes restrictions or limitations on
[16:42] their abilities because they aren't
[16:44] smart enough to use them correctly a
[16:47] great example is denji from chainsaw man
[16:50] he can unlatch the chains on his saws
[16:52] and theoretically use them to swing
[16:54] around like Spider-Man but he never gets
[16:56] the idea so he doesn't do it
[17:00] Dimensions Dimensions or dimensional
[17:03] tearing is an important part of higher
[17:05] level power scaling debates first you
[17:08] need to know that there are three
[17:09] spatial Dimensions length width and
[17:12] height this is true in the real world in
[17:16] power scaling any character with an
[17:17] ability to affect two or more Dimensions
[17:20] is infinitely more powerful than a
[17:22] character that can only affect one
[17:24] dimension and so on so if a character
[17:27] could affect the fourth dimension with
[17:29] their raw strength or speed it can be
[17:31] inferred that they have more than
[17:34] infinite three-dimensional strength or
[17:37] speed it's important to note that this
[17:39] does not include hacks hacks are by
[17:42] Design special abilities that bypass
[17:44] typical physical limitations so
[17:46] affecting a higher dimension in that way
[17:48] does not mean you have an infinite stat
[17:51] in this
[17:52] Dimension Game
[17:54] mechanics a lot of times in video games
[17:56] the character will have wildly varying
[17:59] abilities depending on how the player
[18:01] chooses to play because I found a glitch
[18:04] that lets link travel across Hyrule in
[18:07] 1.6 seconds that doesn't mean Canon link
[18:10] can actually move at the speed of sound
[18:13] or however fast that would actually be
[18:15] in the same way sometimes video games
[18:17] have mechanics that let you do things
[18:20] that don't make sense in the world good
[18:22] example of this is inventory if I wanted
[18:25] to scale Minecraft Steve I probably
[18:28] wouldn't take into account the fact that
[18:29] you could completely fill up his
[18:31] inventory with gold ingots and he would
[18:33] technically be carrying an entire
[18:35] planet's weight in metal around with him
[18:38] these game mechanics are usually ignored
[18:40] when scaling
[18:42] characters this
[18:44] one uh this is a word that is British
[18:48] slang for a very specific form of self
[18:54] massage yeah that probably won't get age
[18:57] restricted if I phrase it that way
[18:58] basically in power scaling this means to
[19:01] overe exaggerate a character's abilities
[19:04] intentionally or not to make them seem
[19:06] stronger than they actually are
[19:08] sometimes people will do this by using
[19:10] fallacies and other times their math is
[19:12] just wrong if done unintentionally this
[19:15] can be really annoying but it can be a
[19:17] ton of fun if you're just goofing around
[19:19] and seeing how strong you can make a
[19:21] character while using a bunch of logical
[19:24] fallacies for a good example check out
[19:26] this episode of my podcast where we
[19:28] debated stiltman versus Big Wheel I
[19:31] promise it's pretty funny
[19:34] lowball so this is the opposite of the
[19:36] previous one to lowball a character or
[19:39] feat is to assume the weakest possible
[19:42] version let's say Superman punches a
[19:45] building apart a lowball estimate would
[19:48] assume the building was only as big as
[19:50] we saw and that it was made of weak
[19:53] materials but a high ball would assume
[19:56] the building is taller than we actually
[19:58] saw and was made a very durable metal or
[20:00] something the lowball is the safest and
[20:03] most reasonable argument when gauging
[20:06] something standard
[20:08] equipment do you know how Canon
[20:10] describes different versions of
[20:12] characters well individual versions of
[20:14] characters can also differ quite a bit
[20:17] depending on their equipment I could say
[20:20] MCU Tony Stark specifically in Iron Man
[20:23] 2 but in that movie he wears like three
[20:26] different armors standard equipment is a
[20:29] term that means the character only has
[20:31] at their disposal what they usually do
[20:34] in most stories standard equipment
[20:37] Batman will definitely have batarangs
[20:39] and a grapple gun but probably will not
[20:41] have the bat shark repellent he keeps
[20:44] around specifically in his
[20:47] watercraft
[20:49] jobbing when a character jobs they lose
[20:52] a fight they should normally win this
[20:55] tends to happen in order to make a new
[20:57] villain look stronger but sometimes it's
[21:00] due to a character induced stupidity uh
[21:03] maybe it's just bad writing that's also
[21:05] a possibility great example is Vegeta he
[21:08] jobs in basically every fight he gets
[21:11] into always finding some way to lose so
[21:14] Goku can show up and win in versus
[21:17] debates jobbing is taken into account to
[21:19] invalidate stupid anti Feats like that
[21:23] one time flash got knocked out by
[21:25] Catwoman that was the Flash jobbing and
[21:28] should be assumed he normally would not
[21:30] lose in a fight against
[21:32] Catwoman flying
[21:35] brick a flying brick is a term used to
[21:38] describe Superman type characters very
[21:41] strong very fast nearly indestructible
[21:44] and very strong notable flying bricks
[21:47] include Superman Thor Goku omn Man
[21:50] Captain Marvel the Sentry
[21:54] Etc
[21:56] scans a scan is an image of a comic or
[21:59] Manga page usually a specific panel used
[22:02] to demonstrate a point often someone
[22:05] will ask for a scan of something that
[22:07] seems unreasonable if you told me
[22:09] Spider-Man has said he could beat The
[22:11] Hulk in a fight I would ask for a scan
[22:13] of that conversation for you to prove it
[22:17] Buster so this one has two meanings but
[22:20] they're towards the same point Iron Man
[22:23] is known for crafting countless
[22:24] different armors some of which are
[22:26] specifically designed to de beat a
[22:28] single opponent the Hulk Buster is the
[22:31] most obvious example but he has built a
[22:33] Thor Buster as well more generally the
[22:36] term Buster means the ability to defeat
[22:39] or destroy characters will often be
[22:41] called City Busters or Planet Busters
[22:45] this is shorthand this means that they
[22:46] have the attack potency to destroy a
[22:49] city or a planet I don't need to debate
[22:51] if freza could beat might guy Frieza is
[22:55] a known planet Buster and guy isn't you
[22:58] can get into all the details but that
[22:59] shorthand makes it really
[23:02] simple
[23:04] suppression a character will supress
[23:07] their full potential and fight in a
[23:09] weaker State most of the time and this
[23:11] is known as suppression there are a lot
[23:14] of reasons for this in Dragon Ball the
[23:16] saans enjoy battle and they purposely
[23:19] start off fully suppressed and work
[23:21] their way up to max power sometimes
[23:23] suppression is character induced
[23:25] stupidity but other times it makes sense
[23:28] maybe going all out drains the
[23:30] character's life away or makes them
[23:31] weaker over
[23:33] time Batman with prep this one is a meme
[23:37] essentially because Batman has so many
[23:40] contingency plans for all these
[23:42] different scenarios there are a lot of
[23:44] people that think with enough prep time
[23:45] he could defeat literally anyone a lot
[23:48] of this stems from the fact that he did
[23:50] manage to craft a bullet capable of
[23:52] killing dark side which is a crazy feat
[23:55] but that doesn't make him Unstoppable
[23:57] also this one is kind of silly because
[23:59] there's no way to calculate the
[24:01] effectiveness of prep time like I don't
[24:04] know would he lose to Thor with a minute
[24:06] of prep time but two minutes oh he would
[24:08] win he's going to beat the God of
[24:10] Thunder
[24:11] easy
[24:13] solos okay this one is my biggest pet
[24:17] peeve to Solo in a fight Means A Single
[24:21] Character defeats many opponents by
[24:24] himself that is what solo means one
[24:27] alone so if I put up a picture of 10
[24:30] Shonen characters and ask who wins and
[24:33] you said Goku solos that means Goku
[24:36] could beat everyone there all at once by
[24:40] himself that is the right way to use the
[24:42] word the wrong way is just
[24:45] interchangeable with winning like omn
[24:48] man versus homelander oh omn man solos
[24:52] no no no no he doesn't solo it's a
[24:55] one-on-one fight what would soloing a
[24:57] one-on one fight even mean it's
[25:00] ridiculous people just use words without
[25:02] any clue what they mean please if you
[25:05] take anything from this video just know
[25:07] that soloing is when one character beats
[25:10] many characters it's not just synonymous
[25:12] with
[25:13] winning lifting strength versus striking
[25:17] strength this one is simple but a lot of
[25:19] people get it mixed up tell me who's
[25:21] stronger Mike Tyson or Arnold
[25:24] Schwarzenegger the correct answer is
[25:27] both Arnold could lift more weight but
[25:30] Tyson can punch a lot harder the two are
[25:33] not mutually exclusive so when people
[25:36] discuss strength it's important to know
[25:38] that lifting strength and striking
[25:40] strength are related but they're not
[25:42] interchangeable in the same way who's
[25:45] faster Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt obviously
[25:49] Lee can fight faster but bolt can run
[25:52] faster fighting speed and travel speed
[25:55] are different stats too and should be
[25:57] measured separately if you want to
[25:59] measure fighting speed well that leads
[26:01] us into our next one reactions and
[26:04] perceptions essentially this is how
[26:06] quickly a character can see something
[26:08] coming and react to it either by
[26:10] blocking it dodging countering whatever
[26:14] in the real world reaction speeds are
[26:16] limited to three things number one the
[26:19] speed of light we cannot react to
[26:21] something before we see it number two
[26:23] are neurons it takes time for our eyes
[26:26] to Signal our brain that something is
[26:27] coming and number three actual reaction
[26:31] time this is based on training and you
[26:33] can get better at it a lot of boxers
[26:35] instinctually Dodge punches but most
[26:37] people would just get smacked in the
[26:39] face by a similar attack in fictional
[26:41] worlds all three of these limitations
[26:44] are malleable characters can often see
[26:47] things that move faster than light even
[26:49] though they shouldn't be able to see
[26:50] anything at all this is all part of the
[26:53] suspension of disbelief but it's
[26:55] important to know when gauging reaction
[26:57] times
[26:59] Goku's Universal
[27:01] punch this refers to a clash between
[27:04] Goku and beerus at the start of Dragon
[27:06] Ball super it's sort of Infamous because
[27:09] before Super Dragon Ball characters were
[27:11] usually scaled to solar system or Galaxy
[27:14] level at the very high end but after
[27:17] sharing a strike that threatened to
[27:18] destroy the entire universe including
[27:21] the entire universe sized Realm Of
[27:24] Heaven as well Dragon Ball scaling was
[27:27] thrown into an entirely different realm
[27:29] of power a lot of people like to
[27:31] downplay it because they find the scale
[27:33] so impossibly large and of course there
[27:36] are others that assume this meant Goku
[27:38] was all powerful they were all wrong and
[27:41] it led to a lot of discussion respect
[27:44] thread this is a collection of a
[27:46] character's Feats neatly compiled for
[27:49] easy reference usually with links to a
[27:51] scan of each feet the point of a respect
[27:54] thread is to make future debates easier
[27:57] with a quick place to look for
[27:59] everything you might need to know about
[28:00] a character for example a thread titled
[28:03] respect Hokage Naruto would outline all
[28:07] of Naruto's abilities as an adult with
[28:09] scans for his strength speed attack
[28:12] potency hacks
[28:14] Etc tier
[28:17] four slightly more Niche and slightly
[28:20] more complex this is where Petty
[28:22] arguments begin to turn into long essays
[28:25] in the YouTube and Reddit comments but
[28:27] if you like like that sort of thing
[28:29] let's
[28:30] go
[28:32] hyperbole hyperbole is essentially
[28:35] outrageous exaggeration in the context
[28:38] of power scaling this refers to
[28:40] character statements and guide book
[28:42] descriptions that tend to really
[28:44] exaggerate things in order to get the
[28:46] viewer all hyped up notable examples
[28:49] include Shonen Jump ads describing every
[28:52] single new Dragon Ball movie or game as
[28:55] the most powerful battle in history or a
[28:58] certain Naruto guide book that said part
[29:01] one Kakashi was omnipotent with his
[29:04] shingon which is clearly not true and if
[29:06] you don't really know what omnipotent
[29:08] means don't worry that's in the next
[29:10] tier
[29:12] inconsistencies this refers to a
[29:14] character or ability behaving
[29:17] differently at points in the story even
[29:19] though it shouldn't maybe Daredevil is
[29:21] normally fast enough to dodge gunfire
[29:24] but someone smacks him with a baseball
[29:25] bat and it's never explained why these
[29:28] sorts of things are common in Long
[29:30] running comics and shows and need to be
[29:32] considered when discussing versus
[29:34] battles plot induced stupidity so you
[29:38] know that character induced stupidity is
[29:40] when a character doesn't act in the
[29:42] optimal way because they're kind of dumb
[29:44] well plot induced stupidity is when a
[29:46] character doesn't act in the optimal way
[29:49] even though they should be smart enough
[29:51] to know better this is basically just
[29:53] bad writing plot and do stupidity or p
[29:58] is important to point out when
[30:00] discussing a character's intelligence
[30:01] because maybe they're usually smarter
[30:04] than how they act in these weird one-off
[30:07] instances
[30:09] FTL FTL stands for faster than light and
[30:14] a shorthand for describing how fast a
[30:16] character can go I'll briefly go over
[30:18] the other categories subsonic means
[30:22] slower than the speed of sound or about
[30:24] 760 mph Sonic is the speed of sound
[30:29] Hypersonic is five times the speed of
[30:31] sound from there we have a really really
[30:34] big gap then we get to relativistic
[30:38] which means approaching the speed of
[30:39] light basically anything a tenth the
[30:42] speed of light or more is considered
[30:45] relativistic then we have FTL and
[30:49] finally mftl or much faster than the
[30:52] speed of light they're actually even
[30:54] faster tiers we'll talk about later but
[30:57] these cover 9 9% of characters that
[30:59] you'll see talked about area of
[31:03] effect so you understand attack potency
[31:06] right how strong your attack is how much
[31:08] it can destroy area of effect is a term
[31:11] that relates to potency Superman might
[31:14] punch doomsday with enough Force to
[31:17] shatter the Earth but then why doesn't
[31:19] the Earth actually shatter it's because
[31:22] the area of effect is limited to
[31:24] Doomsday's face all that Force isn't
[31:27] being spread to the planet this is why
[31:30] characters in a lot of anime like Dragon
[31:33] Ball for example don't shatter the
[31:35] Galaxy every time they
[31:37] Spar
[31:39] Universe a universe is an infinite 3D
[31:43] Space Bound by a single dimension of
[31:45] time when characters are described as
[31:48] crossing a universe instantly or
[31:50] destroying a universe remember from our
[31:52] section on Dimensions that this means
[31:55] they have an infinite 3D stat
[31:58] although they might just barely be
[32:00] brushing into 4D because there are so
[32:03] many different ideas floating around in
[32:05] fiction some universes are distinctly
[32:08] finite not infinite or maybe they're
[32:11] bound to different Realms like Heavens
[32:14] Hells different planes magical Pockets
[32:17] the thing that binds all these places
[32:19] together is that they exist on the same
[32:22] timeline they make up one Universe
[32:25] stepping outside of that and we get into
[32:27] a Multiverse which I will discuss later
[32:30] no
[32:32] powers this one is a meme it's a common
[32:35] occurrence for someone on Twitter to pit
[32:37] two characters against each other but
[32:40] with the caveat that they don't have the
[32:42] powers they normally have usually though
[32:45] we have no way of actually determining
[32:47] what this means would no powers Goku
[32:50] simply have no key control would he
[32:53] still be bulletproof and super strong
[32:55] because that comes from Saiyan
[32:57] physiology or what about Daredevil would
[32:59] he fight like he could see but he didn't
[33:02] have his radar sense we have no earthly
[33:05] idea which is why these fights are
[33:07] usually pretty silly and there isn't any
[33:09] sort of distinct
[33:11] answer magic system a magic system is
[33:15] the specific functions and rules of a
[33:17] particular franchise for example Naruto
[33:20] has chakra and the characters in the
[33:23] universe use chakra in all sorts of
[33:25] different ways chakra is distinctly
[33:27] different from bending which is the
[33:29] magic system from Avatar the Last air
[33:31] bender and then some universes have
[33:34] multiple different Power Systems one
[33:36] piece has devil fruits but they also
[33:39] have hockey JoJo has hamon and it also
[33:42] has
[33:43] stands burden of proof
[33:46] fallacy this is a fallacy where someone
[33:49] makes a claim let's say gone freaks is
[33:52] faster than lightning and when asked to
[33:55] prove it they turn around and say no no
[33:57] no no no you prove he's not faster than
[34:00] lightning this is wrong the person who
[34:03] makes a claim must be able to prove it
[34:06] either with a scan a statement or a
[34:08] scale that shows G really is faster than
[34:12] lightning every Pokemon versus one
[34:15] trillion
[34:16] Lions this is the closest most people
[34:19] get to doing any power scaling as it's a
[34:21] popular question on Twitter and for
[34:23] streamers to debate about usually they
[34:26] end up using a bunch of f IES and just
[34:29] horrible math but it's all for jokes and
[34:31] shouldn't be taken too seriously uh for
[34:33] anyone wondering the Pokémon win and it
[34:35] isn't even a little
[34:37] close word of
[34:39] God word of God is a term used to
[34:42] describe an author's statement about a
[34:44] story that wasn't actually shown inside
[34:46] the story if hirohiko arachi said that
[34:50] joro's star plattinum could punch with
[34:53] the force of the Big Bang but it's
[34:55] clearly never shown him doing that any
[34:57] in JoJo that would be considered word of
[35:00] God on the flip side death of the author
[35:04] is a common literary criticism that
[35:06] basically says the author's comments
[35:09] outside the work itself shouldn't be
[35:11] considered and you should judge the
[35:13] story on its own merits at the end of
[35:16] the day it doesn't matter which Camp you
[35:18] fall into as long as you agree on one
[35:21] before you engage in any
[35:23] debates reality
[35:25] warping this is a subset of hacks
[35:28] abilities that specifically involves
[35:30] altering the nature of reality to your
[35:32] will you might have a weak reality
[35:35] warping ability like you can change the
[35:37] color of something or maybe you have a
[35:39] very strong reality warping ability like
[35:42] you can turn people into candy whatever
[35:45] it may be these are basically considered
[35:47] magic hacks and tend to bypass
[35:49] durability unless otherwise proven not
[35:52] to Sailor
[35:55] Moon Sailor Moon popular magical girl
[35:58] anime icon from the 9s is on this list
[36:01] because most people have no idea exactly
[36:04] how powerful she is to put it briefly
[36:06] she is much faster than the speed of
[36:08] light capable of destroying Dimensions
[36:10] has hacks that can let her time travel
[36:13] survive the destruction of a universe
[36:15] and exist outside a fourth-dimensional
[36:17] time space and actually recreate the
[36:20] entire universe not long after she's
[36:22] insanely
[36:24] powerful
[36:26] Kirby much like Moon Kirby is a cute and
[36:29] innocent character that's secretly
[36:31] extremely powerful for anyone willing to
[36:33] do a little scaling Kirby has punched
[36:36] enemies across planets cracked worlds
[36:38] with his 200 million Megaton punches
[36:41] escaped black holes and survive small
[36:45] supernovas and all of this is with the
[36:47] big asterisk Kirby is a baby star child
[36:50] meaning that his powers are roughly
[36:52] equivalent to how much weaker a baby
[36:54] human is to an adult theoretically adult
[36:58] Kirby would likely be a multiversal
[37:00] reality warper with fourth-dimensional
[37:02] attack
[37:05] potency Seth the
[37:07] programmer this is going to be a long
[37:09] one uh Seth is a very notorious member
[37:12] of the power scaling Community
[37:14] especially recently he was well known
[37:17] across the internet for his toxic and
[37:19] edgy interactions with people always
[37:21] trying to go others into debates and
[37:23] just steamroll them he would debate
[37:26] Dragon Ball Naruto com iics he'd also
[37:28] talk about politics philosophy the age
[37:31] of consent anything as long as he felt
[37:34] he could win the argument and he was
[37:36] just about as sore a winner as you could
[37:38] get the thing is when he wasn't debating
[37:41] in Discord he would actually make some
[37:43] pretty informative YouTube videos and
[37:45] had a lot of great collaborations with
[37:47] other power scalers Chuck swag KAG six
[37:51] noodles uh king of lightning there's a
[37:54] ton of them he was super entertaining
[37:57] but he love to play up this villain
[37:59] Persona where he would mock his fans
[38:01] call them losers virgins Flex how much
[38:04] money he makes and just generally act
[38:06] like a huge jerk he really only stopped
[38:09] getting away with it when Clyde his
[38:11] former friend and collaborator dropped a
[38:14] big video explaining why he stopped
[38:16] working with Seth it detailed a lot of
[38:20] horrible things Seth had done
[38:22] manipulating people lying trash talking
[38:25] backstabbing defrauding his patreon
[38:26] supporters basically anything he could
[38:29] do to Lord his power over others and
[38:32] this included some very sketchy
[38:34] interactions with miners Seth since
[38:37] dropped a big explainer about how that
[38:39] was misconstrued and how he never did
[38:42] anything explicit and though most of the
[38:44] internet abandoned him a chunk of his
[38:46] followers are still around here's the
[38:48] thing Seth really did his best to focus
[38:52] the entirety of this controversy on this
[38:55] brush with the minor which he could you
[38:58] know mostly disprove rather easily but
[39:00] in doing so he shoved a lot of the other
[39:02] stuff under the rug where he wouldn't
[39:04] need to address it but I will spell it
[39:07] all out here for you very simply Seth
[39:09] the programmer is extremely insecure he
[39:12] craves the validation of his fans and
[39:14] the people who think they're his friends
[39:16] and when he's feeling bad he dumps on
[39:18] them to lift himself up he didn't write
[39:21] or edit the vast majority of his best
[39:23] videos and many of the really good
[39:25] scales he used were divised by other
[39:27] people and he took all the credit he's
[39:30] an egotist but he's also a huge fraud a
[39:33] liar and a massive hypocrite and if this
[39:35] seems like I'm being super harsh and
[39:37] mean it's because I actually really used
[39:39] to like Seth a lot back when I was an
[39:42] edgy teenager um he's actually pretty
[39:44] sharp and really good at debate um but
[39:47] everything about him is toxic and after
[39:49] getting a peak behind the curtain and
[39:51] learning how he begs his friends for
[39:53] validation while acting to the public
[39:56] like some match Mo Uber mench I really
[40:00] just kind of pity him now here's hoping
[40:02] he actually get some help instead of
[40:04] pretending like nothing
[40:07] happened tier
[40:11] five okay we're getting into bigger
[40:13] ideas now sci-fi jargon and theoretical
[40:17] physics are pretty much the norm from
[40:18] here on out so buckle
[40:21] up
[40:23] omnipotence omnipotence is someone who
[40:27] is is all powerful what's important to
[40:29] note is that this is in the most literal
[40:31] sense an omnipotent character can do
[40:34] literally anything in any dimension in
[40:37] any place in any way that they want
[40:40] there is no limit to how much they can
[40:42] lift how fast they can go how hard they
[40:44] can hit it is the maximum across the
[40:47] board can an omnipotent character create
[40:50] a stone so heavy that he couldn't lift
[40:53] it yes doesn't matter that that doesn't
[40:55] make sense it doesn't need to to he's
[40:58] omnipotent of course a lot of Time
[41:01] characters who are very powerful will be
[41:03] described as omnipotent but they
[41:05] actually are not um we'll get into a few
[41:07] of them later but for now just know that
[41:09] those are mostly
[41:12] hyperbole
[41:14] outliers an outlier is a feat or an anti
[41:17] feat for a character that doesn't make
[41:20] sense when their other Feats are taken
[41:22] into consideration for example if Batman
[41:25] can usually lift 500 lb but in one
[41:28] single issue from 1972 he can lift 2,000
[41:33] lb that is an outlier because there are
[41:36] so many more instances where he can lift
[41:38] 500 we consider the 2,000 lb feet to be
[41:42] an outlier and we ignore it now some
[41:44] people will consider rarely presented
[41:47] abilities to be outliers but that's
[41:49] different a feat is only an outlier if
[41:52] it is regularly contradicted not if it
[41:55] just doesn't get referenced all that
[41:56] often
[41:59] Association
[42:00] fallacy this is a fallacy where someone
[42:03] draws a false conclusion just because
[42:05] two characters are associated for
[42:08] example deu from my hero Academia was
[42:11] able to beat the villain muscular and
[42:13] because AA is in class 1a along with deu
[42:17] he could also beat muscular this is
[42:20] wrong gravitational binding energy this
[42:24] is the amount of energy it would take to
[42:26] completely disperse a Celestial body or
[42:29] effectively overcome the force of
[42:31] gravity keeping it together this means
[42:34] planets moons large asteroids and stars
[42:37] it's calculated with this equation where
[42:40] U is the force we're looking for in
[42:42] Jewels G is the gravitational constant m
[42:46] is the mass of the planet and R is its
[42:48] radius the calculation for stars is only
[42:51] slightly different as it also includes
[42:53] the value n which is the polytropic
[42:56] value basically it says what kind of
[42:59] star it is white dwarf red giant Etc uh
[43:02] these are equations that tell us exactly
[43:05] how strong a feet is in a measurable
[43:08] number
[43:10] Multiverse a Multiverse is a fifth
[43:13] dimensional time space that contains any
[43:16] multitude of four dimensional universes
[43:19] each individual Universe in a Multiverse
[43:22] has infinite time and space so a
[43:24] character who can affect more than an
[43:26] enti entire universe with their attack
[43:28] potency has edged into multiversal
[43:32] destructive
[43:33] capability Universal Energy System we
[43:37] talked about Power Systems earlier
[43:39] essentially the way magic Works inside a
[43:42] fictional Universe the universal Energy
[43:45] System is one of three ways to classify
[43:48] magic systems it basically means that if
[43:50] a character has a supernatural power
[43:53] like shooting a laser or firing a spell
[43:56] then there other stats would be roughly
[43:58] analogous the energy system is universal
[44:02] Goku's Kamehameha is in the same tier of
[44:05] power as one of his punches as well as
[44:08] his level of durability if a character
[44:10] blows up a star you can assume they'd
[44:12] probably survive a star exploding too
[44:15] the second type is a nonphysical Energy
[44:19] System this is basically the opposite so
[44:21] a character may have a fire spell or
[44:23] something that could blow up a building
[44:25] but that is in no way evidence that they
[44:28] could survive a building that blows up
[44:30] their magical Feats and their physical
[44:32] stats are not related but their magical
[44:35] Feats are assumed to be related so if
[44:38] your fire spell is building level your
[44:40] wind spell is probably also building
[44:43] level and finally we have a limited
[44:46] Energy System this is where you don't
[44:48] assume anything is related nothing is
[44:50] analogous so a character may use magic
[44:53] sometimes and Technology other times and
[44:56] their Feats with e either are not
[44:57] assumed to be proportional nor do they
[45:00] scale to physical stats every single
[45:02] thing is
[45:04] separate appeal to motive
[45:07] fallacy this is a fallacy where you
[45:09] attack the person arguing instead of the
[45:12] argument but instead of AD homonym this
[45:15] one isn't an insult instead you attack
[45:19] their motive you only think Sasuke beats
[45:22] Naruto because you're an ucha Fanboy
[45:26] that's an appeal ultimotive fallacy and
[45:28] it's not a legitimate
[45:30] argument weak
[45:32] homelander so this one was a meme on
[45:34] Twitter for a while and it's pretty
[45:36] funny in the Amazon series The Boys the
[45:39] most powerful soup is homelander a
[45:42] flying brick and dark parody of Superman
[45:45] the joke is that while he's the
[45:47] strongest inside the boys Universe he's
[45:49] actually quite weak when you scale him
[45:51] against other fictional verses it's
[45:53] funniest when you know how much of a
[45:56] vile monster he is and he loses handily
[45:59] to the most sweet and innocent
[46:01] characters like Kirby deu or
[46:04] tanero galatis
[46:07] hunger in Marvel Comics galatis is a
[46:10] living force of nature that consumes
[46:13] worlds eating planets to maintain the
[46:16] correct level of entropy Across the
[46:18] Universe because he absorbs the powers
[46:21] of these planets his power actually
[46:23] varies depending on how long it's been
[46:26] since he last at a planet and so in
[46:29] versus battles people will often specify
[46:32] full galatis or starving galatis or
[46:35] mildly hungry galatis it's kind of funny
[46:38] so there were some memes about okay
[46:41] could Thanos be galatis if he had like a
[46:43] late brunch but no dinner yet and it's
[46:45] already 700 p.m. funny stuff like that
[46:49] astral
[46:50] resistance this is the ability of a
[46:52] character to defend against attacks made
[46:55] not to the minder by body but the soul
[46:58] or Spirit a character with strong astral
[47:01] resistance could tank the forced
[47:03] projection attack Doctor Strange does uh
[47:06] where he knocks your soul out of your
[47:07] body they would get hit and nothing
[47:09] would happen or like in Dragon Ball
[47:12] where hakai attacks destroy the body and
[47:15] the Soul surviving one would prove you
[47:17] have a high level of Astral
[47:20] durability [ __ ] second an [ __ ] second is
[47:24] a very very very very very very short
[47:28] amount of time it's used to calculate
[47:30] speed Feats by characters like Sonic or
[47:33] the flash who are just ridiculously
[47:36] nonsensically fast in case you're
[47:38] wondering an addcond is equal to one
[47:42] quintillionth of a regular second put
[47:44] another way the number of addos seconds
[47:47] in a normal second is the same as the
[47:49] number of normal seconds in about 30
[47:52] billion years and the Flash has stated
[47:55] that he's able to proceive
[47:57] and understand events that happen in
[47:59] less than an add second yeah chew on
[48:02] that Squirrel
[48:05] Girl Squirrel Girl is a Marvel Superhero
[48:08] real named Doran green who has the
[48:11] ability to control an army of squirrels
[48:13] she's sort of Infamous in power scaling
[48:15] because she tends to only show up in
[48:17] stories and One-Shot the villain just
[48:20] overwhelming them with a mountain of
[48:22] squirrels they may not that may not seem
[48:24] like a big deal uh if she fought like
[48:26] King pin or modok or something but she's
[48:29] beat Thanos galatis Dr Doom just with
[48:35] squirrels the one above all and the
[48:39] presence the one above all is the god of
[48:42] the Marvel Universe and the presence is
[48:44] the god of the DC Universe now I don't
[48:47] mean a god like Thor or Zeus or dark
[48:50] side I mean capital G God omnipotent all
[48:54] powerful unmatched they exist above all
[48:58] other beings in every dimension in their
[49:00] respective cannons and are usually
[49:02] referenced whenever someone is talking
[49:04] about a truly omnipotent character if
[49:07] you're wondering what would happen if
[49:08] they fought each other it's the exact
[49:10] same thing that would happen if they
[49:11] fought any other true omnipotent
[49:14] instantaneous and eternal stalemate kind
[49:18] of anticlimactic
[49:20] huh Stan Lee
[49:22] argument this refers to a popular clip
[49:25] of Stan Lee discussing discing a
[49:27] question he frequently got from fans
[49:29] which character would win in a fight and
[49:31] his response is that the writer decides
[49:34] who wins and that's that arguing about
[49:37] it is completely pointless and so many
[49:39] people use this to describe power
[49:41] scaling as pointless or inherently
[49:44] stupid but here's the thing I don't
[49:46] think Stan Lee was right not exactly see
[49:50] he was a writer it was his job to tell
[49:53] stories and make them entertaining so if
[49:55] you asked him who win between Spider-Man
[49:58] and Iron Man his gut reaction isn't to
[50:01] start doing math but instead to concoct
[50:03] a story where the two of them would have
[50:05] a reason to fight and then figure out a
[50:07] way to make that fight fun to read maybe
[50:10] Spider-Man is tweaking the Shocker
[50:12] gauntlets after he got in the tough and
[50:14] then he ends up using them to take down
[50:16] Tony that's not cold calculated versus
[50:19] Battle it's an exciting story if you
[50:22] don't believe me take a look at this
[50:24] Stanley might not like ranking
[50:26] characters by power but there are a ton
[50:28] of official Marvel panels that power
[50:31] scale the characters for us like this
[50:33] one here which shows us seven popular
[50:35] Heroes and tells us exactly what their
[50:38] maximum lifting strength is enough
[50:42] said all right that's the end of tier
[50:44] five we're halfway through this Iceberg
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[51:21] right back to the
[51:23] iceberg tier six
[51:28] in this tier we're talking about more
[51:30] than just two characters fighting but
[51:32] instead larger groups and more nuanced
[51:35] competitions things are getting kind of
[51:39] complicated attack name
[51:41] fallacy this is a fallacy that asserts
[51:44] an attack does exactly what it's named
[51:47] for example Vegeta has The Big Bang
[51:50] Attack it's pretty easy to tell that
[51:52] this actually doesn't have the force of
[51:54] the Big Bang behind it or de's 1 million
[51:58] per smash word of God later clarified
[52:01] that the 1 million per was simply
[52:03] hyperbole deu was using it to psych
[52:06] himself up it wasn't actually 10,000
[52:09] times stronger than his maximum so if
[52:11] anyone wants to tell you that cyborg is
[52:14] really firing a million DB from his
[52:17] million DCB sound Cannon you can tell
[52:19] them that's the attack name
[52:22] fallacy the kardashev scale this this is
[52:26] a scale used to calculate a
[52:28] civilization's technological development
[52:31] it's all centered around how efficiently
[52:33] they can capture and use energy at the
[52:36] bottom are subtype one these are
[52:39] civilizations unable to completely
[52:41] capture and store the energy of a planet
[52:43] that would be us humans in real life we
[52:46] may be able to harness some geothermal
[52:49] and wind power but not up to 100%
[52:52] efficiency then we have type one who as
[52:55] you might have guessed can 100%
[52:57] efficiently use a planet's energy their
[53:00] Mastery goes to the point where they can
[53:02] even control physical phenomenon like
[53:05] earthquakes and volcanoes type 2 cves
[53:09] can directly consume and efficiently
[53:11] utilize the energy of an entire star
[53:14] this makes them incredibly powerful as
[53:16] stars are gigantic Fusion engines
[53:19] finally type three civilizations are
[53:22] completely utilizing the power of an
[53:24] entire galaxy this is a crazy amount of
[53:28] energy and this is where cardash shev's
[53:30] types ended but with all the different
[53:32] stories in Fiction more types were
[53:34] eventually introduced type four can use
[53:37] all the energy in a galactic super
[53:39] cluster and type five can use an entire
[53:43] universe type six can generate more than
[53:46] entire universe of energy in a single
[53:49] second continuously forever and type
[53:52] 7even is so powerful that the amount of
[53:54] energy they manipulate is beyond Beyond
[53:57] calculation civilization tearing system
[54:01] this is a different way to scale a
[54:02] civilization as opposed to the kardashev
[54:05] scale while that measures how much
[54:07] energy a people can produce the
[54:09] civilization teering system instead
[54:11] keeps track of how advanced their
[54:13] government and technology is starting at
[54:16] the bottom we have pre-industrial they
[54:18] haven't yet discovered electricity
[54:20] they're relying on simple tools and
[54:22] animals for transport and battle after
[54:24] that there's post-industrial essentially
[54:26] what every nation on Earth is like today
[54:29] beyond that is planetary a single
[54:32] civilization that controls an entire
[54:34] planet all under one government a
[54:37] stellar civilization controls a whole
[54:39] solar system an Interstellar Civ
[54:41] controls multiple solar system from
[54:44] there it goes Galactic Intergalactic
[54:46] Universal multiversal higher dimensional
[54:50] and finally
[54:52] Transcendent
[54:54] omnipresence omnipotence is is to be all
[54:57] powerful and omnipresence is a single
[55:00] element of that to be all present
[55:03] essentially this is the peak of speed
[55:05] you exist everywhere in every single
[55:08] location simultaneously now it's
[55:11] important to note just because you're
[55:12] omnipresent doesn't mean you're
[55:14] omnipotent you may be everywhere at once
[55:17] but you might still have weaknesses you
[55:18] can't lose in a race though that's the
[55:21] one thing you have
[55:23] here
[55:24] omniscience omniscient I is to know
[55:27] everything all things that have happened
[55:30] are happening or will happen you have
[55:32] access and full view of all of it this
[55:35] includes what people are thinking after
[55:37] all thoughts are just electrons firing
[55:39] inside neurons and you can see that
[55:42] happening No Limits fallacy this is a
[55:46] fallacy that assumes because a limit has
[55:48] not been shown that no limit exists for
[55:52] example Superman Has Lifted 100 tons a
[55:55] million tons a billion tons and he's
[55:58] never struggled the No Limits fallacy
[56:02] would state that he can lift literally
[56:04] infinite weight since we've never known
[56:07] that he has a limit we've never seen a
[56:08] limit this is an assumption and it's
[56:11] wrong this is also sometimes called the
[56:14] world of ants essentially if there's a
[56:16] character who gets in hundreds of fights
[56:19] but only ever fights ants and they
[56:21] always win just by stepping on them the
[56:23] No Limits fallacy would say they could
[56:25] beat any character ever because they've
[56:27] never lost inside their world of ants
[56:30] this is also wrong and by the way this
[56:32] is why saitama doesn't beat everyone in
[56:35] fiction he may beat everyone in his own
[56:37] series but that doesn't mean there
[56:39] aren't characters outside the series who
[56:41] couldn't beat
[56:43] him Tune Force this is the ability of a
[56:46] character to use very powerful reality
[56:49] warping for comedic Effect characters
[56:52] like Bugs Bunny are a great example he
[56:55] can teleport shape shift lift infinite
[56:57] weight alter the malleability of objects
[57:00] transform his environment his abilities
[57:02] are seemingly Limitless but only if
[57:05] they're for comedic effect this is known
[57:07] as Tune Force short for cartoon
[57:10] sometimes characters will have a limited
[57:12] amount of Tune Force a rale from Dr
[57:15] slump has crossed over with Dragon Ball
[57:16] super and while she's strong enough to
[57:18] beat Godly Fighters that she has no
[57:21] business fighting her comedic Powers
[57:23] don't let her contend with beerus who is
[57:26] too serious and Powerful for toune Force
[57:28] to work on
[57:31] gerer gerer or gold experience requium
[57:36] is the standability of joro giovana from
[57:38] JoJo part five ger is sort of Infamous
[57:42] in power scaling or at least it was for
[57:44] a while for its wacky ability Return To
[57:47] Zero it can return anything to zero and
[57:51] if you're confused what that means it's
[57:53] intentionally vague that's what makes it
[57:55] powerful you run up to punch jno well he
[57:58] returns your position to zero so you
[58:00] never moved uh you manage to land a hit
[58:03] on him he returns the damage to zero he
[58:06] punches you to death guess what he can
[58:08] return your death zero so you live over
[58:11] and over again infinitely and get this
[58:14] jono doesn't even need to see the attack
[58:16] coming gerer can act without his
[58:18] knowledge he even did so against diblo
[58:21] during his time skip arguably scaling
[58:24] his awareness to high fourth or low
[58:27] fifth dimensional slap on a healthy
[58:29] layer of No Limits fallacy and for a
[58:31] while many posters thought Geer was
[58:34] completely
[58:36] unbeatable power levels current
[58:39] year this is a reference to a very low
[58:42] effort form of YouTube video that gets a
[58:44] ton of views despite how inaccurate they
[58:46] are basically the person making the
[58:49] video picks two characters let's say
[58:51] Naruto and Sasuke and then they assign
[58:54] them power levels based on on different
[58:56] points in the story culminating with
[58:59] their current strongest forms and some
[59:01] ridiculously huge number to go along
[59:04] with it these numbers are not based in
[59:07] anything substantial they're just
[59:08] guesses but they do sate the Curiosity
[59:11] of little kids who are just starting to
[59:13] get into versus debates that's why they
[59:14] get so many views as long as you don't
[59:17] actually take them seriously they're
[59:18] harmless
[59:19] fun grandmas Luke this refers to Luke
[59:24] Skywalker as he was depicted in the the
[59:26] Star Wars extended Universe the now
[59:28] non-cannon collection of books telling
[59:31] the story of the Star Wars characters
[59:33] after episode 6 Luke became
[59:36] substantially more powerful in these
[59:38] stories to the point where he could do
[59:39] with the force what was barely
[59:41] recognizable from the movies he could
[59:43] fold space to teleport himself and
[59:46] objects he has nanc reaction times can
[59:49] project his thoughts into thousands of
[59:52] Minds across the Galaxy simultaneously
[59:55] and he even uses the force to affect a
[59:57] black hole in that Cannon he's the most
[60:00] powerful force user who ever lived and
[60:02] is frequently used to scale other Jedi
[60:05] and Sith against speed force
[60:08] LOL this is another meme this time about
[60:11] the flash all versions of The Flash be
[60:14] they Jay Garrick Barry Allen Wally West
[60:17] all of them tap into a supernatural and
[60:19] extradimensional power known as the
[60:21] speed force this Force grants them their
[60:24] tremendous speed but also allows them a
[60:27] myriad of other powers some of which
[60:30] make no sense for example the speed
[60:33] force will surround and protect anything
[60:35] The Flash is holding so when he picks up
[60:37] a person and runs them across the
[60:39] country at 1,000 miles an hour they
[60:41] don't splatter apart from the g-forces
[60:43] or sometimes when he needs a costume he
[60:46] can just summon one out of speed force
[60:49] energy whatever the hell that means it's
[60:52] the speed force I ain't got to explain
[60:54] [ __ ]
[60:56] varying fourth
[60:58] Dimensions this is an important one to
[61:00] understand when discussing characters
[61:02] who affect or control time see we are
[61:05] aware of three spatial dimensions and
[61:08] one temporal Dimension the fourth
[61:10] dimension is time this is generally the
[61:13] case in most fictional universes but in
[61:16] some this is not the case and the fourth
[61:18] dimension is separate from time meaning
[61:21] there are four spatial dimensions and
[61:24] then time is the fifth Dimension make
[61:27] sense so a character in that Universe
[61:29] could transcend three-dimensional speed
[61:33] but instead of time being affected they
[61:35] would simply begin moving fourth
[61:37] dimensionally it's a bit difficult to
[61:38] wrap your head around I know but just
[61:40] remember the fourth dimension isn't
[61:42] always
[61:43] time slow
[61:46] Thor Thor Marvel's God of Thunder is
[61:49] very powerful and Incredibly fast as
[61:51] well he has very good traveling speed
[61:54] Feats as he normally flies through space
[61:57] unfortunately he has significantly more
[61:59] battle speed anti Feats what this really
[62:03] comes down to is plot and du stupidity
[62:05] the writer needs to find a way to keep
[62:07] The Godly Avenger tied up so the rest of
[62:09] the team actually has some time to shine
[62:12] this translates to Thor being smacked
[62:13] around by slow moving attacks hit by
[62:16] cars shot with normal Guns Etc in
[62:19] reality he has plenty of battle Feats
[62:21] that show him with much greater reaction
[62:23] times but because there are just so so
[62:25] many many scans of Thor jobbing to slow
[62:28] moving objects there's a peras of belief
[62:31] that Thor is super strong but very
[62:34] slow interverse
[62:37] mechanics so you understand magic
[62:40] systems Naruto has chakra Avatar has
[62:43] bending but what about this let's say
[62:46] Ang tries to do Spirit bending an
[62:48] ability that takes away his opponent's
[62:50] ability to bend and he uses it on
[62:54] Kakashi would Spirit Bend ending sever
[62:56] Kakashi's ability to use chakra would it
[62:59] stop a Jedi from using the force this
[63:02] question is how the mechanics of
[63:03] abilities work across Universe are
[63:06] important and must be decided before a
[63:09] debate if you hope to get anywhere
[63:11] otherwise even the weakest of characters
[63:13] from Hunter Hunter could defeat Goku
[63:16] with a simple Ren projection that's kind
[63:18] of
[63:19] silly Ash's Pikachu this is a reference
[63:23] to the Pikachu from the Pokémon anime in
[63:25] game
[63:26] if you take the time to actually
[63:27] calculate every battle this Pikachu has
[63:29] been in all the XP he should have earned
[63:32] from those fights in conjunction with
[63:34] some of the crazy Feats he displays in
[63:35] the movies he becomes disgustingly
[63:38] powerful for example in the 18th movie
[63:41] during a clash against the antagonist
[63:43] Hoopa Pikachu's Thunderbolt is able to
[63:46] counteract the force of six of the most
[63:48] powerful legendaries in existence
[63:51] including Dialga pelia and gutina it's
[63:55] lumped in with some attacks from other
[63:56] legendaries but through scaling it's
[63:58] clear that they were holding off Hoopa
[64:01] so Ash's Pikachu is literally on the
[64:03] level of the Pokemon gods of time space
[64:06] and antimatter and if you don't believe
[64:08] me I'll put the scale for this one in
[64:10] the
[64:12] description
[64:15] sttgl in the gyx anime guran lagon the
[64:19] main character Simone the Digger Pilots
[64:21] a Mecca along with his crew team die the
[64:25] Mecca continuously evolves throughout
[64:27] the series attaching onto and absorbing
[64:30] larger and larger enemy mechs towards
[64:33] the end of the show Simone's spiral
[64:35] power or Humanity's indomitable Spirit
[64:38] push their Mech to evolve to extremely
[64:42] high levels of power their Pinnacle is
[64:45] super Tangen tapa guran lagon which is
[64:48] what sttgl stands for this enormous
[64:52] construct dwarfs the entire universe and
[64:55] has 11th dimensional multiversal attack
[64:59] potency and durability omnipresence
[65:02] probability altering attacks and this is
[65:05] all with the implication that it can
[65:07] continue evolving further forever
[65:12] sttgl is usually used as a benchmark
[65:15] when discussing complex multiversal
[65:17] opponents or as an easy dunk when
[65:20] someone says Goku is the strongest anime
[65:22] character ever he's not
[65:26] dodging
[65:27] lasers this refers to a character's
[65:29] Feats where they Dodge out of the way of
[65:31] a laser attack and how that doesn't
[65:33] necessarily imply they have light speed
[65:35] movements or reaction times for example
[65:38] if you shot a laser gun at Batman and he
[65:41] dodged the blast it's likely because he
[65:43] got out of the way while you were aiming
[65:45] and pulling the trigger not after it
[65:47] already fired this is important to
[65:50] understand so characters aren't
[65:51] accidentally scaled up to outpacing
[65:54] photons
[65:55] tier
[65:58] seven from here on out we're getting a
[66:01] lot of deep Cuts strange arguments
[66:03] confusing logical fallacies and Niche
[66:06] ideas that Debaters will reference like
[66:09] top level chess players bringing up
[66:11] famous strategies and
[66:13] gambits higher dimensional
[66:16] existence we sort of covered the basics
[66:18] of this one already we know a being with
[66:21] fourth-dimensional strength has more
[66:23] than infinite three-dimensional strength
[66:25] but often times they're typically bound
[66:28] to three dimensions and only express
[66:30] higher dimensional stats when
[66:32] participating in their outlandish
[66:34] battles but a being that has higher
[66:36] dimensional existence is by their very
[66:39] nature Unbound by our three dimensions
[66:42] physical distance and its implied
[66:44] limitations do not apply and so they
[66:46] appear Godly in turn for example Mr
[66:50] mix's Pedic of DC Comics is a
[66:53] fifth-dimensional imp he can c usually
[66:56] teleport reality warp and use all manner
[66:58] of hacks because spending any time down
[67:01] in the third dimension is like entering
[67:04] Minecraft creative mode for him
[67:08] Omniverse you know that a universe is an
[67:11] infinite 3D Space Bound by time and a
[67:14] Multiverse is a collection of universes
[67:16] bound across a Fifth Dimension but what
[67:19] about a Multiverse of
[67:21] multiverses this is what's known as a
[67:24] hyperverse and that name sticks for the
[67:26] 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th and 11th Dimensions
[67:32] but if you're feeling really cheeky and
[67:34] you want multiple 11th dimensional hyper
[67:36] verses all collected beneath a 12th
[67:39] Dimension this is known as an Omniverse
[67:43] it's essentially incomprehensible for us
[67:46] to Fathom but there are fictional
[67:48] characters that have this level of Power
[67:50] Note Omniverse is sometimes used
[67:53] interchangeably with outerverse
[67:55] if a character is called outer versal
[67:58] this means they are Beyond 11th
[68:00] dimensional in attack potency durability
[68:03] speed
[68:04] Etc argument from incredulity fallacy
[68:09] this is a very common fallacy that
[68:10] people often struggle to argue against
[68:12] because they don't know how when someone
[68:15] commits this fallacy they claim
[68:16] something is wrong simply because they
[68:19] can't believe it they refuse evidence
[68:21] simply because it seems outlandish to
[68:24] them for example some someone making
[68:25] this fallacy might say I don't care if
[68:28] you have a scan I don't believe
[68:30] precrisis Superman destroyed a solar
[68:32] system with a sneeze that's too stupid
[68:35] so it didn't happen he can't do that
[68:39] ultimately this is a really childish
[68:41] argument but that's what makes it so
[68:43] difficult to
[68:44] refute gag
[68:46] character a gag character is one whose
[68:49] purpose in a story is for comedy
[68:51] primarily usually with a heaping helping
[68:54] of Tune Force the reason they're on this
[68:56] iceberg is many people believe gag
[68:59] characters inherently win versus battles
[69:01] by their very nature taking that a step
[69:04] further they can then apply the term gag
[69:06] character onto a character who happens
[69:09] to be funny and suddenly they now have
[69:11] an argument as to why they're Invincible
[69:14] of course we know by now that Tune Force
[69:16] often has limits and Powerful gag
[69:18] characters are still subject to the
[69:20] world of ants argument so if you run
[69:22] into this argument in the wild now
[69:24] you'll know it's both
[69:26] Krillin versus
[69:28] Marvel this is in reference to Sunny
[69:31] straight the English voice actor for
[69:33] Krillin in Dragon Ball Z he made a
[69:35] Twitter post in 2017 where he stated
[69:37] that Krillin despite being relatively
[69:40] weak in his own series could defeat
[69:42] every character in the Marvel Universe
[69:45] with ease and defeat all the Avengers at
[69:47] once this led to a bit of a dog pile
[69:51] where hundreds of power scalers sent him
[69:53] arguments scans and quotes from guide
[69:55] books telling him just how wrong he was
[69:58] and while he tried to argue a little bit
[70:00] at the end of the day he responded
[70:01] pretty charitably with a wow you guys
[70:03] sure know a lot uh maybe there are some
[70:05] pretty strong Marvel characters out
[70:07] there I think he handled it well but
[70:10] some people still reference it when
[70:11] discussing how little the general public
[70:13] actually knows or understands about the
[70:16] complexity of these things but as long
[70:18] as you're nice about it remember it's
[70:20] okay to be proven wrong sometimes we're
[70:23] all having fun with this you don't need
[70:24] to be V triolic or
[70:26] snarky SCP
[70:30] 682 known as the hardto destroy reptile
[70:33] this is one of the countless entries in
[70:35] the SCP Foundation Wiki a collaborative
[70:38] fictional Secret Agency that captures
[70:41] and retains anomalous monsters and
[70:43] objects 682 is a large lizard with the
[70:47] unique ability of adaptation what this
[70:50] means is that it will instantaneously
[70:52] evolve in order to survive whatever
[70:55] situation it's put in if you put it
[70:57] underwater it grows gills if you drop it
[70:59] in lava it becomes heat resistant put
[71:01] him in space hey he no longer needs to
[71:04] breathe what makes him so formidable is
[71:06] when you start to get creative well if I
[71:08] threw Naruto at him he'd likely found a
[71:11] way to nullify chakra if I pit him up
[71:14] against Superman he'd grow immensely
[71:16] stronger and gain the ability to fly and
[71:19] if you had SCP 682 fight super tangin
[71:22] tapa G and lagon he'd likely evolve into
[71:25] an outerversal being see how quickly
[71:28] this becomes
[71:29] insane immeasurable
[71:32] speed we discussed speed earlier from
[71:35] subsonic all the way to massively faster
[71:37] than light and if you understand
[71:39] infinite speed too but beyond that is
[71:42] immeasurable speed when something is
[71:45] immeasurably fast it not only can move
[71:48] infinitely fast but it can travel
[71:50] through time see if speed is distance
[71:53] over time the only way way to go faster
[71:56] than infinite distance over finite time
[71:59] is infinite distance over negative time
[72:02] going so fast you finished the race
[72:05] before you start it looking at it
[72:07] another way say that there were a closed
[72:09] space where time does not exist if you
[72:12] or I were there we would be frozen
[72:14] completely unable to think or move
[72:16] because time does not pass but a being
[72:19] with immeasurable speed is able to move
[72:22] even in a realm without time it is only
[72:25] a single step down from True
[72:28] omnipresence Zeno the Omni
[72:31] King introduced in Dragon Ball super
[72:34] Zeno is the little guy who sits a top
[72:36] the hierarchy of gods because Dragon
[72:39] Ball is the series that got so many
[72:40] people into Power scaling to begin with
[72:42] there's a very large consensus who
[72:44] believes Zeno is omnipotent this is not
[72:48] true Zeno may be the most powerful being
[72:50] in Dragon Ball but we know that at the
[72:53] very least he's Bound By The Fifth
[72:54] Dimension ition as multiple versions of
[72:57] him exist across different timelines
[72:59] Zeno is not all powerful he is not on
[73:02] the level of the one above all or the
[73:05] presence Mario and Luigi versus
[73:09] seepo this one is a bit of a meme but
[73:12] it's pretty funny it started as a
[73:14] Twitter thread pitting various video
[73:16] game characters against one another but
[73:18] the reason it got so popular is because
[73:19] of the outcome Mario and Luigi take this
[73:22] fight easily and it's not even close
[73:25] close obviously sepo is an extremely
[73:27] powerful character he's the final boss
[73:30] of Final Fantasy 7 but Mario and Luigi
[73:33] specifically from their titular RPG
[73:35] series like Dream Team or Bowser's
[73:37] Inside Story have way crazier Feats they
[73:41] regularly bounce back attacks with the
[73:42] Bros Hammer that are far stronger and
[73:45] faster than anything sepo can put out
[73:48] especially from their confrontation with
[73:50] dream Bowser who had fifth-dimensional
[73:52] attack potency the Mario Brothers can
[73:56] even destroy seph Roth's Soul after
[73:58] killing his body which makes this a very
[74:00] clean
[74:02] Victory Kishimoto doesn't know how to
[74:04] beat
[74:06] MAA this is in reference to a rumor that
[74:09] Kishimoto the author of the Naruto manga
[74:12] supposedly stated that M ucha had to be
[74:15] removed from the story and replaced with
[74:17] the villain kaguya because he could not
[74:19] figure out how to possibly defeat him
[74:22] this is not true uh but due to the
[74:24] pervasiveness of this rumor a lot of
[74:26] Naruto power scalers believe that this
[74:28] makes MAA omnipotent or incorrectly
[74:31] scale him as stronger than kagia
[74:34] stronger than end of series Naruto and
[74:36] Sasuke and just about every other
[74:38] character this is a pretty common thing
[74:40] in these sorts of debates where people
[74:41] will reference different word of God
[74:44] statements that were never actually made
[74:46] in the first place they're just rumors
[74:48] so always be sure to ask for a source or
[74:50] a
[74:50] scan
[74:53] tioo this is a YouTube tuber who's made
[74:55] it his goal to get more people
[74:57] interested in Zoology or the study of
[74:59] animals by power scaling them he uses
[75:02] video gaming terminology in a comedic
[75:04] fashion referring to continents as
[75:06] servers and different species as builds
[75:09] but at the core of his content he does
[75:11] meticulous quality work outlining the
[75:14] size speed weight strength and special
[75:17] abilities of countless different animals
[75:19] and has made several great tier lists
[75:21] scaling different animals within a Genus
[75:24] or in a bio
[75:26] tier
[75:28] eight this tier covers a lot of the
[75:31] Heavy Hitters although there are more
[75:33] below too extremely strong characters
[75:35] and universes that often come up in
[75:37] tertiary
[75:39] discussions Cosmic armor
[75:42] Superman also known as the thought robot
[75:45] this is one of the most powerful
[75:47] versions of Superman across all cannons
[75:49] despite the fact that it's not actually
[75:52] Superman created by the outer versal
[75:55] race of beings known as the monitors and
[75:57] described as being powered by the very
[75:59] concepts of symmetry Duality
[76:02] probabilities and possibility Cosmic
[76:04] armor Superman is literally a plot
[76:07] device it takes the physical appearance
[76:09] of Superman because it fulfills the role
[76:11] that Superman does in every narrative
[76:13] but on the grandest scale possible
[76:15] within the DC Comics it can adapt
[76:18] instantaneously to any Potential Threat
[76:21] manipulate reality causality and even
[76:24] the plot of the the story
[76:26] itself
[76:28] Kratos the main character of the God of
[76:30] War series The Ghost of Sparta is far
[76:33] more powerful than most people believe
[76:35] primarily due to the lore surrounding
[76:37] his in-game Feats when he manages to
[76:39] unlock the power of Hope or the Undying
[76:42] Will to carry on he gains the ability to
[76:44] manipulate Concepts an abstract
[76:47] existence that allows him to resurrect
[76:49] eternally even if he's killed the power
[76:52] to negate the immortality of those he
[76:54] fights as well as negate curses he has
[76:57] low multiversal level attack potency was
[77:00] able to battle on par with Thor and the
[77:02] nidhog who could chew through the fabric
[77:05] of the
[77:06] Multiverse lime
[77:09] green this is an obscure meme a
[77:12] reference to Gojo from Jujutsu Kaizen
[77:14] Gojo's primary cursed ability is
[77:16] Limitless or the ability to manipulate
[77:18] the concept of infinity he has the curse
[77:21] technique blue which allows him to
[77:23] essentially create a black hole forcing
[77:25] matter closer together his reverse curse
[77:28] technique red does the opposite
[77:30] repelling all matter in a burst of
[77:32] energy and when he performs both
[77:35] simultaneously essentially combining the
[77:37] power of positive and negative Infinity
[77:40] you get Hollow purple harnessing the
[77:43] power of the imaginary number to create
[77:45] an Infinity that does not exist in this
[77:48] reality it deletes from existence
[77:50] anything it touches in a gigantic
[77:52] torrent lime green is the fan-made
[77:56] concept of Gojo creating yet another
[77:58] extremely powerful attack that surpasses
[78:01] the others following the nameing
[78:02] convention of a color uh lime green was
[78:05] picked because of how weirdly specific
[78:07] and funny it is I should note that part
[78:09] of this meme developed from a quote from
[78:11] the author of jjk who said Gojo succeeds
[78:15] at anything he tries of course people
[78:17] have interpreted this to mean he could
[78:19] literally beat anyone ever um and of
[78:21] course they're
[78:23] wrong Z know
[78:26] Goku this is one alternate universe
[78:28] version of Sun Goku from the Super
[78:30] Dragon Ball Heroes promotional anime and
[78:33] manga series it's important to note that
[78:35] this is a different version from the
[78:36] Goku people usually discuss this version
[78:39] lived through all the events of the
[78:41] non-canon movies as well as the timeline
[78:44] of Dragon Ball GT so Zeno Goku can
[78:47] transform into Super Saiyan 4 but not
[78:49] any of the god forms or Ultra Instinct
[78:52] he also has a slew of Feats from the
[78:54] Super Dragon Ball Heroes manga in anime
[78:57] where he acts as a Time patroller
[78:59] battling villains that threaten a
[79:00] multitude of different causalities due
[79:03] to the absurdity of his Feats and the
[79:05] Feats of his enemies Zeno Goku scales up
[79:08] to sixth dimensional or complex
[79:10] multiversal he's currently much stronger
[79:13] than Canon
[79:14] Goku post Hawk Argo prompter hawk
[79:19] sometimes just called the post Hawk
[79:20] fallacy this is when someone assumes two
[79:23] events happening in sequence have a
[79:25] causal relationship for example
[79:27] Spider-Man's costume was ripped when he
[79:30] fought against Green Goblin in this
[79:31] particular issue Spider-Man won this
[79:34] fight therefore we know that his costume
[79:36] being ripped is what gave him the
[79:38] strength to do it this obviously ignores
[79:40] the multitude of other reasons
[79:41] Spider-Man could have won the fight and
[79:43] while it may seem silly a lot of people
[79:45] use this
[79:47] fallacy multiversal Dooms Slayer the
[79:50] Doom Slayer also known as Doom guy is
[79:53] the main character of the Doom series of
[79:55] video games put simply he hates demons
[79:58] and he loves killing them using a vast
[80:00] array of different increasingly bigger
[80:02] guns what's so interesting about him is
[80:05] that if you read the lore associated
[80:06] with the games it becomes evident that
[80:08] he's not just some building level super
[80:11] soldier type character he slays Khan
[80:14] mcir the Supreme Being of the
[80:16] six-dimensional space known as erak and
[80:19] while fighting against the forces of
[80:21] Hell which is a higher dimensional plane
[80:23] than ddac Doom guy actually implodes the
[80:26] Multiverse containing an infinite
[80:28] variability of branching timelines hell
[80:31] is not bound by time space or even
[80:34] Dimensions it is only Bound by the
[80:36] concept of chaos and its dark lord davo
[80:40] uh is the source of all of Hell's power
[80:41] and yeah Doom guy killed him too
[80:44] destroying his very
[80:45] essence Super Boy
[80:48] Prime this is an alternate universe
[80:50] version of Superman who lost his home
[80:53] planet in the crisis on infinite Earth's
[80:55] storyline slowly driven mad by this he
[80:58] eventually cracked and went on a tear
[81:01] across the Multiverse trying to destroy
[81:03] everything and bring back his own
[81:05] version of Earth what's so special about
[81:07] Super Boy Prime is that he is
[81:09] significantly stronger than post crisis
[81:12] Superman as well as most other
[81:14] kryptonians he's immune to Kryptonite
[81:17] and Magic he's immune to reality warping
[81:19] hacks too he casually tortured Mr Mixie
[81:22] spck and was unaffected Ed by Dr
[81:25] Manhattan his presence alone strikes
[81:28] fear Into the Heart of Green Lantern
[81:30] rings not Green Lanterns but the Rings
[81:33] themselves his punches not only shatter
[81:36] Dimensions but rewrite realities his
[81:39] punches literally create retcons he
[81:42] shattered the anti- monitor in a single
[81:44] strike making him sixth dimensional on a
[81:47] very low
[81:48] lowball metahuman
[81:51] Ash so we know how powerful Ash's
[81:53] Pikachu is is but what about Ash Ketchum
[81:56] himself believe it or not due to some of
[81:58] the shenanigans that take place in the
[82:00] anime 10-year-old Ash is actually a very
[82:04] powerful superhuman he has relativistic
[82:07] reaction speeds shown while dodging
[82:09] light based attacks from Pokemon he's
[82:12] fast enough to run straight up a wall
[82:14] strong enough to casually lift a cosmoem
[82:17] which weighs over 2,000 lb he's jumped
[82:21] hundreds of feet in the air and even
[82:23] Tanked is level attacks all that and it
[82:27] still took him 20 years to finally
[82:29] become a Pokemon Master he should have
[82:31] just started throwing hands with the
[82:33] Pokemon
[82:34] himself tier
[82:38] nine we're too deep now it's your last
[82:41] chance to turn
[82:43] back the Scarlet
[82:45] King the SCP Foundation has thousands of
[82:49] entries but perhaps the most important
[82:50] entry is SCP 001
[82:54] and that's because we don't actually
[82:56] know what 001 is there are 10 proposed
[83:00] possible contenders for the spot with
[83:02] the other nine being deliberate
[83:04] misinformation created in order to
[83:06] prevent the real one from being
[83:08] discovered one of these proposals is
[83:10] known as the Scarlet King an ancient
[83:13] evil God of chaos that consumed all the
[83:16] other Elder gods and has been attempting
[83:18] to enter our reality to lay waste to it
[83:22] the king's mere presence in our world
[83:24] would tear apart the fabric of reality
[83:26] and spell an end to the universe and all
[83:29] adjacent causalities he has an
[83:31] outerversal existence and immortality
[83:34] SpaceTime and conceptual manipulation
[83:38] and he possesses an acausal form meaning
[83:40] if you manage to destroy him in the
[83:42] present it will not affect him in the
[83:44] future and he can simply return he even
[83:47] destroyed the world tree an infinite
[83:50] Library filled with platonic
[83:53] Concepts dark
[83:55] Schneider a dark wizard from the battle
[83:58] sign in bastard dark Schneider is
[84:00] Infamous among power scalers for his
[84:02] ridiculous amount of specific hacks
[84:05] abilities and resistances I'm going to
[84:08] give you an Abridged list for the sake
[84:09] of brevity but know that he has a lot
[84:12] more than this he has a collection of
[84:14] barriers known as dispel bounds Each of
[84:17] which is designed to repel a different
[84:19] type of attack there's a dispel Bound
[84:21] for magic reality warping Psy attacks
[84:25] physical attacks herbicide insecticide
[84:28] gas attacks sound waves anti-
[84:31] assimilation immortality eraser there's
[84:33] a lie detector anti-p paralysis
[84:36] anti-poison anti- camouflage even
[84:39] penicillin whatever the hell that means
[84:41] and every single barrier can repel up to
[84:45] 67 billion attacks every second and if
[84:49] you somehow manage to break through
[84:51] every barrier you need to destroy dark
[84:53] Schneider on three separate planes of
[84:56] existence or he'll immediately
[84:58] regenerate He even wears a set of armor
[85:00] connected to every single Dimension so
[85:03] higher dimensional beings need to
[85:04] contend with that before attempting to
[85:06] attack
[85:07] him reality
[85:10] Equalization this is an important
[85:12] concept to grasp when discussing
[85:14] interverse battles where one character
[85:16] hails from a lower version of reality I
[85:19] don't mean a lower Dimension but a lower
[85:21] form of reality so for example sord word
[85:24] art online or Tron they both take place
[85:27] in Virtual Worlds so the characters
[85:29] would technically immediately lose
[85:31] against any character from a physical
[85:33] world reality Equalization is where we
[85:35] say okay if this character from Sword
[85:38] Art Online is going to fight this
[85:40] character from Black Clover or assuming
[85:43] they both have a physical existence for
[85:45] the sake of this hypothetical
[85:48] battle DC humans double
[85:51] stats so in the Marvel Universe
[85:54] superheroes are always running around
[85:56] real cities like New York Chicago La Etc
[85:59] but in the DC Universe all the cities
[86:02] are fictional Gotham Metropolis West
[86:05] City Star City but what most people
[86:08] don't know is that all the real cities
[86:10] also exist New York City is just North
[86:13] of metropolis coast city is just south
[86:15] of San Francisco so if all these cities
[86:18] exist the actual Earth must be larger
[86:21] than Earth in real life right otherwise
[86:24] how would you fit twice the amount of
[86:26] cities and that's where the scale comes
[86:28] in the theory is all human characters on
[86:32] DC's Earth actually have twice the
[86:35] strength and speed of a normal human
[86:37] because the gravity is double they look
[86:40] normal on their home Earth but if you
[86:42] took Batman and placed him on Marvel's
[86:45] Earth he would be a genuine
[86:47] superhuman
[86:50] Popeye the cartoon sailor from the early
[86:53] 20th century com comics and cartoons
[86:55] Popeye is famous for his spinach gimmick
[86:58] where he gulps down a can of spinach and
[87:00] through the power of Tune Force grows
[87:02] impossibly strong but he does more than
[87:05] lift heavy things poey actually has some
[87:07] Bonkers Feats he can send his punches
[87:11] through radio waves punch hard enough to
[87:13] alter the weather use his bicep like a
[87:15] crystal ball and gaze into the future he
[87:18] can manipulate his own age survive in
[87:21] space without air or an atmosphere shape
[87:23] shift in into a rocket ship transmute a
[87:26] lion into a basketball and even survived
[87:29] reality being deleted and he doesn't
[87:32] even have access to a can of spinach
[87:34] because he can summon one from thin air
[87:36] with a whistle or petition spinachia
[87:39] goddess of spinach and no I didn't just
[87:42] make that last one up that's
[87:44] real 9in
[87:47] skulls several years ago there was a
[87:50] post on the who would win sub renit
[87:52] asking if Batman could defeat a
[87:54] Silverback Gorilla in hand-to-hand
[87:56] combat the outcome of that particular
[87:58] debate isn't important what is important
[88:01] is that one of the commenters tried to
[88:03] argue that the gorilla could not suffer
[88:05] concussive damage to the head because
[88:07] its skull was quote 9 in thick now in
[88:11] actuality a Silverback Gorilla's skull
[88:13] is about 9 in Long which is probably
[88:16] where the commenter got confused uh but
[88:19] to put that into perspective if the bone
[88:21] of a gorilla's skull were 9 in Ines
[88:24] thick Not only would their head be three
[88:27] times as big but they could stop sniper
[88:30] bullets with their foreheads 9 in of
[88:33] solid bone is such a ridiculous and
[88:35] implausible assumption to make that it
[88:37] became a meme and people would often
[88:39] reference it like well uh maybe Ichigo
[88:43] loses to Naruto but what if Ichigo had a
[88:45] 9in skull what
[88:47] then tier
[88:51] 10 this is the bottom there's no
[88:55] escaping now embrace
[88:58] it argument from
[89:01] narrative this is a fallacy where one
[89:03] argues not using the Feats or scaling
[89:06] for a character but instead by analyzing
[89:08] the role they play in a story and
[89:11] transposing that onto the hypothetical
[89:13] Narrative of a debate I think the best
[89:15] example I can give is the two death
[89:17] battles between Goku and Superman the
[89:20] conclusion they reached was that
[89:21] Superman wins not necessarily because he
[89:24] has Feats that are greater than Goku's
[89:27] but because in Superman stories he's
[89:30] always as strong as he needs to be to
[89:32] win so in this scenario where he fights
[89:34] Goku he's as strong as he needs to be to
[89:37] win it's important to understand that
[89:39] this is a fallacy and if you were to
[89:41] take this seriously then any protagonist
[89:44] would automatically beat any other
[89:45] character you put them up against
[89:47] because protagonists have a nagging
[89:49] tendency to win their battles of course
[89:52] gone freaks defeats Vegeta in the story
[89:55] of Hunter Hunter gone is a freak of
[89:57] nature who always pulls out a victory
[90:00] see it's silly and it's it's
[90:02] wrong as
[90:04] athoth the works of HP Lovecraft often
[90:08] delve into a Pantheon of gods renowned
[90:10] for their Cosmic horror or the way their
[90:13] unfathomable existence strikes fear into
[90:16] the reader through inherent
[90:19] incomprehensibility most popular of
[90:21] these Gods is cthulu but the greatest of
[90:24] these Gods is the demon Sultan aatho
[90:28] ruling over time and space from a Black
[90:30] Throne in the center of chaos this outer
[90:33] veral Supreme deity is omniscient
[90:36] omnipresent and omnipotent his very form
[90:39] is not only a causal but a conceptual he
[90:43] cannot ever truly be perceived and every
[90:46] time someone glimpses his nature they
[90:48] see a completely different
[90:50] form sugs verse
[90:54] this refers to a collection of stories
[90:56] written by liony C sugs built upon the
[90:59] initial idea of pushing the very
[91:01] boundaries of What fictional characters
[91:03] are capable of achieving the quality of
[91:06] his writing is generally considered to
[91:08] be rather poor but Suggs himself as an
[91:11] interesting individual and he has a
[91:13] rather pervasive digital footprint
[91:15] across various different websites and
[91:17] forums scaling different characters and
[91:20] explaining his own character's abilities
[91:22] to give you a general idea of what to
[91:23] EXP ECT when reading Suggs verse content
[91:26] many characters are not only omnipotent
[91:29] but have power equal to omnipotence
[91:32] multiplied by Infinity now you probably
[91:36] guessed this is inherently nonsensical
[91:38] it doesn't make any sense but that's how
[91:40] Suggs verse characters function they are
[91:42] literally different conceptual forms of
[91:45] logic used to describe their abilities
[91:48] Spade logic and sugs logic when a
[91:51] character grows powerful enough they
[91:53] stop operating in accordance with
[91:55] logical principles and Ascend to the
[91:57] complex and confusing principles of one
[91:59] of these new forms of logic and at the
[92:02] very peak of power that a character can
[92:04] attain they tap into our final entry in
[92:08] this
[92:09] Iceberg reality fiction
[92:12] Transcendence Beyond Infinite Strength
[92:15] beyond the outerverse transcending
[92:18] causality omnipotence all forms of
[92:21] platonic Concepts and logic sitting at
[92:24] the very highest point in all of fiction
[92:27] is the real world our real world the one
[92:31] where you're watching a YouTube video
[92:32] right now the greatest feat a fictional
[92:35] character could possibly achieve would
[92:37] be to affect us affect the real world
[92:42] that is reality fiction
[92:44] Transcendence of course there's a
[92:46] simulated form of this Deadpool or
[92:49] She-Hulk will leave their comic book
[92:51] story and actually go speak to the
[92:53] writers at Marvel Studios but those
[92:55] events are still bound within the comic
[92:58] book or TV show where they happen this
[93:00] is just breaking the fourth wall true
[93:03] fiction Transcendence which we could
[93:05] call breaking the fifth wall is if
[93:08] Deadpool were to actually step out of
[93:10] the screen and shake your hand and until
[93:14] this happens the throne at the absolute
[93:17] Pinnacle of power scaling Still Remains
[93:20] unclaimed
[93:24] wow that was a lot honestly with how
[93:28] many different characters and worlds
[93:30] there are throughout all of fiction I
[93:32] could probably make an entirely separate
[93:34] Iceberg filled with more Niche and
[93:36] interesting power scaling topics and
[93:38] Concepts but I think this one gives you
[93:40] a pretty damn good intro into the
[93:43] hobby the last thing I want to say which
[93:46] is sort of like my love letter to the
[93:48] communities that I've been browsing
[93:49] since I was in Middle School is this
[93:52] power scaling is a fun F harmless
[93:55] activity for nerds who like math and
[93:57] debate as long as you're not toxic about
[94:00] it and you don't spend your time
[94:01] bothering people with hot takes they
[94:03] didn't ask for power scaling is a great
[94:06] hobby just like writing fanfiction or
[94:09] shipping or making stand edits or
[94:12] whatever else power scaling is a totally
[94:14] legitimate way to appreciate media that
[94:17] you like and if someone tells you it's
[94:19] stupid or pointless or annoying tell
[94:22] them they have no right to police how
[94:25] you choose to engage with your favorite
[94:28] stories