[0:00] This is Doug Demiro and I'm here with
[0:05] Jason Kamisa, automotive legend Jason
[0:08] Kamisa, one of the alltime automotive
[0:11] legends. He's up there in the Pantheon
[0:14] with with Bob Lutz.
[0:16] >> Oh, stop it. I'm not that old. And Henry
[0:18] Ford, I I'm not that dead.
[0:22] Okay, because he is such an automotive
[0:24] legend, Jason Kamisa. We're going to
[0:26] talk about our ultimate dream cars.
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[0:28] the hell does Jason Kamisa dream about?"
[0:31] >> What does Jason Kamisa dream about? This
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[0:36] >> He's going to tell us. Let's do it.
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[2:11] >> Okay. Ultimate dream cars. It's a short
[2:14] list. I hate I hate everything. I hate
[2:16] everything. And so,
[2:18] >> you don't dream. You don't have dreams.
[2:20] I They're not attainable.
[2:22] >> Okay.
[2:22] >> And dreams I'm very sort of German
[2:24] logic, you know, oriented in this
[2:26] respect. What's the point of dreaming?
[2:28] >> If I can't have it, I should I should
[2:31] aspiration don't have that. Um,
[2:34] >> that is so German. My god.
[2:35] >> The the thing is my dream car doesn't
[2:37] exist. No one has ever made it.
[2:39] >> Okay.
[2:40] >> I want a hothatch
[2:41] >> with rear wheel drive.
[2:42] >> Okay.
[2:44] >> With something under the hood that revs
[2:46] to like eight and a half, 9,000 RPM.
[2:48] Okay.
[2:48] >> Um, that's got like amazing
[2:51] uh and a manual obviously. It's
[2:53] something that's amazing steering and
[2:55] like great usability. So, think of like
[2:59] if you could imagine a modern GTI minus
[3:02] 58 900 lb with a Honda K24, K20 hybrid
[3:08] that makes 300 horsepower.
[3:10] >> Cleo V6
[3:12] >> that they're mid-enineed so that that
[3:14] stops the usability. So the I just want
[3:17] something that I can get in every day
[3:18] and like throw a bunch of friends in
[3:20] like it's got like a 15-in sub in the
[3:22] back like a good stereo cuz that's
[3:25] important. I'm that trash.
[3:26] >> That's the automotive dream.
[3:28] >> Yeah. Like 15 sub.
[3:29] >> But like but just give me I would shut
[3:33] up if there was like a rod shifter
[3:36] converted Mark 7 GTI with a K2420 hybrid
[3:41] in it. What is it like to be the level
[3:42] of Volkswagen guy that you are? Like on
[3:44] a day-to-day basis, do you wake up and
[3:46] >> send me a better hat?
[3:48] >> I just want a daily driver that I love.
[3:50] >> Focus RS.
[3:52] >> They were built in your home country,
[3:53] Germany.
[3:54] >> Kamisa is a nice German name, isn't it?
[3:56] You feel German.
[3:58] >> I am very logical and also sometimes I'm
[4:01] sounding German.
[4:02] >> So
[4:06] I I'm speaking German so it's no
[4:08] problem.
[4:10] Yeah. such question.
[4:12] >> You know, I worked for Porsche.
[4:13] >> Yeah.
[4:13] >> And I would go to Germany and meet the
[4:15] Germans.
[4:15] >> Yeah.
[4:17] >> You were like, it was like, damn.
[4:19] >> Damn. What? Like
[4:20] >> like there that that there was no
[4:22] country I've ever been in that is so
[4:23] engineering like focused.
[4:25] >> They're very organized. It's amazing.
[4:27] >> You know how this is what hit me. You
[4:29] know how you're walking in the
[4:30] supermarket parking lot in America and
[4:32] you walk and cars stop for you?
[4:34] >> Yeah.
[4:34] >> In Germany, the machine is king. You
[4:38] stop for the cars. And I was cautioned
[4:40] by many Germans. What are you doing?
[4:41] >> This is don't walk.
[4:42] >> Think they think about it in a logical
[4:44] sense. This is a parking lot. This is
[4:47] not a walkway in like on it's just a
[4:51] very simple concept. It's there for the
[4:52] cars. It's not there for you. You're
[4:54] secondary.
[4:54] >> You're lucky. You're lucky we were even
[4:56] allow you in this thing.
[4:57] >> Okay. So your ultimate dream car doesn't
[4:59] exist. So what is
[5:02] >> that does exist? the one that got away.
[5:06] >> No, it's an acoustic non-event and it's
[5:09] it's like driving a WRXSTI like
[5:11] perfectly capable but like the engine
[5:14] sounds like it's in a car somewhere else
[5:15] and it's just not
[5:17] >> I don't So what you were like oh I just
[5:19] want a I just want a rear wheel drive
[5:20] hatch that revs out an enormous amount
[5:24] of things that are required.
[5:26] >> It needs to sound good.
[5:27] >> I first of all you're accusing me of
[5:28] being a Volkswagen guy but all I want is
[5:30] a Honda K20. How many times have I said
[5:32] that? a Honda like a really good Honda
[5:34] shifter.
[5:34] >> I know that that V R six, V6 isn't
[5:37] capable of what you're looking for.
[5:39] >> I don't do V6s, but I definitely do VR6s
[5:42] and I will go and find that effing.
[5:45] Um, no, I like a Honda 4. I I just want
[5:49] >> We're at a place in automotive
[5:51] development where no one's having any
[5:53] fun anymore. Like it's rare that you get
[5:55] a car company that does something with
[5:56] where the engineers are like and we have
[5:58] done this. Well, no one was watching.
[5:59] American car company compan companies at
[6:02] the moment are having more fun than
[6:03] anything else. I mean, everyone in
[6:04] Salantis has a virtual mullet whether
[6:06] you realize it or not. They're like,
[6:07] "Yeah." Um, GM's having a lot of fun.
[6:09] Ford's having a lot of fun. But the no
[6:11] one makes no one in Europe is, which
[6:13] means that no one makes a compact hatch
[6:15] that's any fun. Like totally a new
[6:18] like give me a new Prelude with like a
[6:20] real motor. I'd be happy.
[6:21] >> But you want rear wheel drive.
[6:22] >> I would like rear wheel drive.
[6:23] >> So you're never going to get that from
[6:24] Honda.
[6:25] >> Never going to get it from anyone.
[6:26] >> Okay. All right. Your car doesn't exist.
[6:28] But that is what you dream of.
[6:29] >> But the one that got away like 300 350
[6:31] >> 350 on 2900 lb for example. The car that
[6:34] got away from me. The one that I
[6:36] reviewed professionally that I can't
[6:37] >> This is gonna be your ultimate dream
[6:38] car. You're going to reveal it right
[6:40] here right now.
[6:41] >> You've heard it here first. Hold on.
[6:42] Which camera is close? You've heard it
[6:43] here for I can't do the announcer voice.
[6:45] And look sultry at the tu.
[6:48] >> It is a uh Aston Martin V12 Vantage S7
[6:51] manual.
[6:52] >> Really?
[6:52] >> Yeah. I
[6:54] >> of all of the things
[6:56] >> it's the one that I can't stop. You
[6:57] could have a Lincoln Continental Coach
[6:59] door.
[7:00] >> I thought you were going to say the V10
[7:01] that those kids in Detroit built, which
[7:02] is pretty cool.
[7:03] >> Um,
[7:04] >> yeah, I think it's the one that I want.
[7:06] There's They popped out at 200,000
[7:08] bucks. They're still 200,000 bucks.
[7:10] >> They're expensive.
[7:11] >> I think if I if I sold a whole bunch of
[7:13] stuff, maybe I could do it,
[7:16] >> but I can't bring myself
[7:18] >> It does
[7:18] >> to pay more in sales tax on a car than
[7:20] I' than I've spent for most of my other
[7:21] cars. It does solve like it literally
[7:24] does answer like it's a hatch
[7:27] >> with a rear kind like it doesn't it
[7:29] doesn't do what you want but it gets you
[7:30] in that realm.
[7:31] >> What it does is give me So the reason
[7:33] that I bought the 850 CSI is because I'm
[7:35] allergic to long gears. Um I don't like
[7:38] the idea of
[7:40] like modern Lamborghinis for example.
[7:42] Like I I showed up with a check to buy a
[7:44] Gallardo six-speed and I was like this
[7:46] is going to be great. I love that V10.
[7:48] The car is just spectacularly gorgeous.
[7:50] It's just modern tone tops, right? I
[7:51] totally agree.
[7:52] >> Um
[7:52] >> I think it's amazing. It's way way
[7:54] underrated.
[7:55] >> 17 74 in first gear and 92 in second,
[7:59] 94, whatever it was. I don't go that
[8:02] fast. I If I have that engine.
[8:04] >> Now, can I give you Can I Yeah.
[8:05] >> You don't have to take it to red line
[8:07] and did you know that
[8:08] >> you you have you
[8:14] >> you can actually No. Why?
[8:18] Jesus gave you 8,500 RPM to use when you
[8:21] drive around. Are you like taking first
[8:23] gear all got it?
[8:24] >> I red line every every one of my cars
[8:25] every time.
[8:26] >> That would be a great experience for
[8:27] your passengers. I bet
[8:28] >> it who says I allow people in my car. I
[8:30] said I want I want to be able to put
[8:32] four people in the car. You just you
[8:33] have dead bodies. They're they don't
[8:35] complain. No. Um I look the thing that
[8:38] we love about the sound of engines isn't
[8:40] steady state. Even your you know
[8:41] Countage hold it at 3,000 RPM
[8:45] not it's the rise, right? And so a car
[8:47] that's short geared allows you to get a
[8:49] rise, a fall, a rise, a fall, a rise, a
[8:51] fall. And so the that Gallardo was just
[8:55] the vantage red line red line second
[8:58] gear at like I think if you're at red
[9:00] line is like 57 mph. If you push it like
[9:03] to the limiter, you can just touch 60,
[9:06] maybe even not. It's effectively geared
[9:08] like a Miata, but it's a 500 plus
[9:10] horsepower. Really nice sounding V12.
[9:12] Not one of the best ever until you put
[9:14] equal length long tube headers. So it
[9:16] would have equal length long tube
[9:17] headers. So it gets a a really high
[9:19] pitch scream, short gears, one of the
[9:21] prettiest cars ever made. Beautiful
[9:23] interior. Beautiful. Consider just I
[9:25] mean a a regular Vantage would fit into
[9:28] your world. You don't like it?
[9:29] >> Okay. The 4.3 I don't love the the
[9:32] original Vantage. They made a lot of
[9:34] changes between the 43 and 47 that go
[9:36] far beyond just the you know this just
[9:38] the displacement. Um but the 47 was kind
[9:41] of slow. The four 43 was kind of slow.
[9:43] The 47 really woke it up. They put much
[9:46] better steering in the car, especially
[9:47] there was a 2012 and a quarter, I think,
[9:49] model year update. Much quicker
[9:51] steering, blah blah blah blah blah. But
[9:53] they made a bunch of changes that made
[9:54] the car great. Still geared too long.
[9:57] Crossplane V8s don't rev the way I love
[10:00] them to. They're kind of lazy. Um,
[10:03] >> yeah, that car did rev.
[10:04] >> It was just kind of It needs a light
[10:06] flywheel. It needs shorter gears.
[10:08] >> It needs a damn V12 and a seven-speed,
[10:10] >> right? Then the V12 six-speed is like
[10:12] half the price. Nope. Geared long. Not
[10:15] the same. Interesting.
[10:15] >> It's that seven. It's a doglike
[10:17] seven-speed
[10:18] >> gorgeous. I at some point I will break
[10:21] down.
[10:22] >> Obviously what you're saying must be the
[10:24] market agrees because uh not a lot of
[10:26] Aston are holding.
[10:28] >> No,
[10:28] >> that one has.
[10:29] >> They made 100. I mean they sold 100 in
[10:31] the US.
[10:31] >> Yeah, but Aston does a lot of limited
[10:33] runs and that doesn't always guarantee.
[10:35] >> That's true.
[10:36] >> We made six of these because no one
[10:38] would buy it,
[10:38] >> right? I mean those you know what, you
[10:40] know what I was that Vanquish Shooting
[10:41] Break. Do you remember when they made
[10:42] those Legato? that car had like a 900
[10:44] sticker and they're trading all day long
[10:46] for 350 and I don't think that I think
[10:48] that 350 is is like give it a couple
[10:50] more crazy.
[10:52] >> Um so just just rarity is not enough for
[10:54] Aston holding value as an Aston is very
[10:57] rare and I think that the market must
[10:58] must support your feelings.
[11:00] >> I hope so. I hope they don't go crazy
[11:02] cuz you know it's one of these that's
[11:03] kind of like a 911R happened at the same
[11:06] time and that was another one that I
[11:08] thought this is magnificent but Porsche
[11:09] moved on right and so the 911 ST so the
[11:12] 911 R became the the 911 GT3 Touring
[11:15] which in some ways was better and then
[11:17] the 911 ST is in just about every way
[11:20] better other than the fact that I think
[11:21] the 991 is prettier than the 992. Yeah.
[11:24] >> So, that has been an ascent. Aston
[11:28] hasn't come close to this car since and
[11:30] never will.
[11:30] >> And probably won't. It's not really part
[11:32] of their focus area. They're doing SUVs.
[11:33] >> Yeah. I at some point I'm going to have
[11:34] to break down and sell a bunch of cars
[11:36] and a kidney or two and and just do it.
[11:39] >> Uh my number one ultimate dream car. I
[11:42] want to preface this by saying I don't
[11:43] really have any. Like I kind of feel
[11:45] like I've done what I want to do and and
[11:49] I I'm not actively trying to earn more
[11:50] money and so like these aren't going to
[11:52] happen. You know what I mean? Nice.
[11:53] Well, like it is nice, but it's also
[11:55] like there are people who get to a
[11:56] certain level and then just want to
[11:58] Yeah, I want more and more and I'm like
[12:01] it's too much work. I'm good.
[12:04] >> So, like I this isn't really something
[12:06] that like it would be nice, I think, to
[12:07] have like some other stuff, but I think
[12:09] it's it's also nice at some point to cut
[12:11] off and say, you know what, I'm happy,
[12:13] >> right?
[12:14] >> And so, my number one and kind of the
[12:15] one that I really if I could have
[12:17] anything, if I could have one more car
[12:18] and had infinite money to do it, I'd get
[12:20] an F50. I just think the F50 is the best
[12:23] damn driving car. I think it is so cool.
[12:26] I think it is light and athletic and
[12:28] perky and like surprisingly engaging
[12:32] despite the fact that it has this sort
[12:33] of um flowy kind of look to it that
[12:36] makes you think it's just sort of this
[12:37] big overroought thing. I think it's
[12:39] incredible. I just think it is like the
[12:40] most incredible car to drive. That's my
[12:42] that would be my number one. Having not
[12:44] yet driven a McLaren, a McLaren F1 or a
[12:47] Gordon Murray T50 or T33,
[12:50] um I'm there with you in your
[12:52] superlative on that. I don't It's looks,
[12:55] promise, and experience. It doesn't
[12:56] deliver in the right way, right? You
[12:58] think it's going to be miserable? None.
[13:01] Especially supercars, they're never
[13:02] good. Like, they're just never good.
[13:04] They're never cohesive. They're never
[13:05] that I did. I
[13:07] >> It looks like melty and big and just
[13:10] overdone and you're just like
[13:11] >> it's going to be unwieldy. It's like
[13:13] driving like a Mercielago that's like
[13:14] >> or or a XJ220 which came from the same
[13:17] area. You're just like this is going to
[13:18] suck. And a lot of those 90s supercars
[13:19] did suck. I've driven XJ220. It's not
[13:22] great. I've driven EB110. It's not like
[13:24] it's not what you want. It's not what
[13:25] you're hoping for. F50 feels modern car
[13:28] good.
[13:28] >> I the joke when I was driving it was the
[13:30] passenger was uh I think he was the it
[13:32] was like effectively a minder. They part
[13:34] of the company that was selling it. He's
[13:36] like, "I think you just wore out the
[13:37] transmission cuz I just in cruising, we
[13:40] were down in Monteray and it was like
[13:41] one second, fourth, third, second,
[13:43] first." Because first was like we were
[13:44] doing 40 mph and it got to the point
[13:46] where I can go from sixth to first to
[13:48] sixth to first to sixth to first and he
[13:49] wouldn't feel a single shift. And it's
[13:51] not be it's not just because I'm that
[13:52] good. It's because that is just that car
[13:55] is a perfect example of how a great
[13:59] dance partner is just a neverending
[14:02] pleasure.
[14:02] >> I didn't think it sounded that amazing
[14:04] in the car.
[14:05] >> No. Which is interesting because the
[14:06] part of the story of that car is that
[14:08] the Formula 1 derived the racing derived
[14:10] V12,
[14:10] >> but like we've said in the past, you
[14:11] don't want a race car. The race cars
[14:13] don't sound good.
[14:14] >> And that car is despite that story is
[14:16] actually not a race car. Like it doesn't
[14:17] feel like a race car in a good way. Like
[14:19] it feels smoother and more streetable.
[14:21] >> Some weird guttural strange like it's
[14:24] either clutch or timing gears or
[14:26] something's going on behind you. It's
[14:27] kind of some unpleasant noises which
[14:29] just add to the experience that
[14:31] >> the Courage GT is like that too. There's
[14:32] this mechanical feel that you're like,
[14:33] am I breaking something? But I feel like
[14:35] some of the best cars have that.
[14:37] >> How do you like this? The way the CGT
[14:38] sounds inside the car.
[14:40] >> It's not as good as the outside for
[14:41] sure. And and the other funny thing
[14:43] about Kur GT because I I I watched a Kur
[14:45] GT versus LFA with Popes and I it and um
[14:47] I really think that the LFA might sound
[14:51] better. Um the Cur GT is obviously the
[14:54] better drive. I mean, everyone who spent
[14:55] time in the cars feels that way. What
[14:57] are you going to tell me that dual that
[14:58] single clutch trash is good? The Cur GT
[15:01] is the greatest driving car regardless.
[15:04] Okay.
[15:04] >> I think the funny thing about courage
[15:06] sound whenever I start up a cars and
[15:08] coffee the kids all gather around
[15:10] >> doesn't sound like anything at zero
[15:12] nothing.
[15:12] >> It's before car right it's before the
[15:14] car companies figured out the startup
[15:16] drama and cars that were loud 15 years
[15:18] ago are quiet now like this happens to
[15:21] us we had uh we did a ZR1 episode so we
[15:23] had C4 ZR1 uh 56 and 7 5 6 whatever it
[15:28] was 67 and 8 and you know C4 like they
[15:32] were talking about the sound it's
[15:35] And then C like you know the later cars
[15:37] are getting progressively louder and
[15:38] louder and then you start a C8 and it's
[15:40] like
[15:42] >> they figured out that's exactly what
[15:43] they did. They figured out the start
[15:44] drum and in fact I remember I worked at
[15:45] a Ferrari dealer in 08 and people would
[15:46] constantly be coming in getting tubes
[15:48] installed and I assume those companies
[15:50] don't do modern the cars are so loud now
[15:52] that I imagine maybe they're still doing
[15:54] that stuff but back then it was almost
[15:55] like part of the purchase like okay
[15:58] which exhaust do you want us to install
[15:59] for you before you take delivery. You
[16:01] know,
[16:01] >> there's a weird thing that happens,
[16:02] especially in European um car companies
[16:05] where they're run by old people. And so,
[16:07] like if when I when doing research on
[16:10] some of the videos, like research on BMW
[16:11] E31, the 850i, they did a whole there's
[16:14] an entire section in the book that they
[16:16] the sort of engineers wrote afterwards
[16:18] about how that all the Italian stuff was
[16:21] a nuisance and they did everything they
[16:23] could to quiet the V12 down. And you
[16:25] just want to grab him by the throat and
[16:27] be like, are you stupid? It's a V12. I
[16:29] think about the 8 series. One of the
[16:31] things I think about is they were
[16:32] probably thinking about the CL, right?
[16:34] And they wanted to make a BMW a more
[16:37] BMWish, but they were that was probably
[16:39] their top right competitor, but they
[16:41] were old. They were old.
[16:42] >> They were old and boring. But who thinks
[16:44] Hold on. BMW Z1. I just finished a
[16:46] Revelations episode. You guys are
[16:47] getting a sneak peek. Uh BMW Z1
[16:50] Revelations. Same thing. They were like,
[16:52] we don't want to make we don't want to
[16:54] make a car that pummel the background.
[16:56] This is Dr. Olish Bettz. So Dr. Bez who
[16:58] did a Aston Martin afterwards, right? He
[17:00] was he even he was like, "We don't want
[17:03] a car that assaults the road with extra
[17:04] horsepower. We want a car that's stable
[17:07] so drivers will come fast in and fast
[17:09] out." And they did. Their goal was to
[17:11] make the quietest sports car on the
[17:12] road.
[17:14] >> Are you dumb?
[17:14] >> Yeah, they don't.
[17:15] >> Are you Did like are you drunk? What is
[17:17] wrong? Isn't the whole point of these
[17:19] cars the experience?
[17:20] >> What a shame. That car could have been
[17:21] so much cooler. Although I still think
[17:23] it is cool and I've had it on various
[17:24] like cars I want less. It is
[17:26] surprisingly valuable. Uh you said you
[17:28] have one other ultimate dream car.
[17:30] >> Well, it was the one that doesn't exist
[17:31] and then it was really the advantage and
[17:34] the other one is 911 ST. I mean I just
[17:36] hate to be that predictable.
[17:37] >> Wow.
[17:38] >> Because 190 Evo 2 thing.
[17:40] >> Oh, it's up there. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.
[17:42] Look, now here's the thing is I don't
[17:44] dream. I don't want If I had actual
[17:46] cubic money, I mean, would I probably
[17:47] have a McLaren F1? Probably. Would I
[17:49] have a T50? Yeah. Um an Evo 2 is up
[17:52] there. The reason I the reason it's not
[17:55] didn't come to mind right away is when
[17:57] you look at the 1906 16 valve lineage.
[17:59] You have the early car which is has the
[18:01] head was cast at Cossworth no catalytic
[18:04] converter 185 horsepower and then you
[18:06] get the the sort of smogged version
[18:08] lower compression less aggressive cams
[18:09] blah blah blah.
[18:10] >> That's all it has is 185 horsepower
[18:12] >> 185 for Europe 164 for the US 167 for
[18:14] the US. Yeah. You didn't need a lot of
[18:15] power. It only weighs 2,800 lb.
[18:17] >> So my car I had a US car. I liked it.
[18:21] Sold it. I got I drove a Euro car, loved
[18:24] it. The the US car revved to 6,500 and
[18:28] could barely make it there. It was all
[18:30] kind of over after 5700 and it trudged
[18:32] its way to 6,500. The Euro car slams
[18:35] into its 7100 RPM limiter like it needs
[18:38] another thousand, which the Evo got,
[18:40] right? The Evo rev to 8
[18:42] >> 7,800. But the price differential, like
[18:45] I paid 16,000 for my car. Yeah. All
[18:47] right. It's now worth multiples of that.
[18:50] But at, you know, now my car is worth, I
[18:52] don't know, 50, 60. I have no idea.
[18:53] 70,000 bucks, whatever it is. An EVO is
[18:56] five times, six times the price. It's
[18:58] not six times the experience. It's six
[19:01] times the looks, but I don't own that
[19:03] car for the just the looks. So, I Yes,
[19:05] if I had the money, I would have an
[19:07] maybe an early 190, but certainly an Evo
[19:09] 2
[19:09] >> and a 911 ST.
[19:11] >> An ST would be Well, I thought this was
[19:13] dream car r, right? And if this if this
[19:16] isn't dream car ru then like if I need
[19:18] to buy a new car that's kind of amazing.
[19:21] Nothing beats a 911 ST.
[19:23] >> If you had to buy what new car right now
[19:26] I guess costs no object. What really
[19:28] lights your hair on fire?
[19:30] >> Not much. Right. That's the problem.
[19:32] >> But you got to speed for sure is up
[19:34] there.
[19:34] >> Okay.
[19:34] >> If we're counting that as a new car
[19:36] still.
[19:36] >> Uh I love that car. It's crazy that they
[19:38] sell for 700. Otherwise I probably would
[19:40] have done it. But I don't think it's
[19:42] worth that. But other than that, there's
[19:44] not all that much. Truthfully,
[19:46] >> this is I'm sorry, but there are plenty
[19:48] of people in our industry who are like,
[19:49] "This is a great time to be an
[19:51] enthusiast." I find it interesting,
[19:53] especially, this is one of the big
[19:55] things I have about Ferrari. I find it
[19:57] especially interesting that this is how
[19:58] we feel, considering that there has
[20:01] clearly been a demonstrated demand, not
[20:03] just from internet losers, but from real
[20:06] people with real money, that manual
[20:08] transmission analog cars are desirable.
[20:11] Carrera GTS at at three million. Uh
[20:14] F-50s at 10. F40s at five. 911 STS are
[20:18] trading in the secondary market for
[20:19] double. And that's double already pretty
[20:21] strong price point.
[20:22] >> Double the that the ST's price point was
[20:24] double what GT3 was a couple years ago.
[20:26] >> Right. Right.
[20:26] >> And so you're sitting there saying you
[20:28] it's not like people are saying I want a
[20:29] brown diesel wagon manual like the
[20:31] enthusiasts tend to. These are real
[20:32] people who are willing to spend the
[20:34] money. Where is Ferrari with this car?
[20:36] Where is Ferrari with a modern F40?
[20:37] Where is Porsche? The reason Porsche
[20:39] Porsche dumb has grown so much is
[20:41] because they still make a manual.
[20:42] >> They make cars for enthusiasts. And I
[20:44] hate to admit that because I'm not
[20:46] really into that whole Porsche culture,
[20:47] but like if we're honest here, if you're
[20:49] buying a new car, you're not going to
[20:51] Ferrari. No,
[20:52] >> you're not going to Lamborghini. These
[20:53] are like those are have become and that
[20:55] wasn't always the case. Ferrari was a
[20:57] connoisseur brand that made enthusiast
[20:58] cars for a long time. And I'm I'm fine
[21:01] if they want to go and make the SUVs and
[21:02] the automatics and the stuff that's
[21:03] shouty, but you have people spending 10
[21:06] million for F50s. If you did a 300 unit
[21:09] production run of a manual something,
[21:11] you could probably price it at 10
[21:12] million. And you can't tell me, you
[21:14] can't tell me you it's it costs three,
[21:16] however much that is, 300 million, three
[21:19] billion dollars to develop that car.
[21:21] >> I have been saying this to car company
[21:22] executives and product planners for
[21:24] years who get like belligerently in your
[21:27] face as a journalist because they're
[21:28] like, "You're an enthusiast. You don't
[21:29] understand this." And my canned response
[21:31] is, "If your car was that good, why why
[21:35] are your old cars worth so much?" Right?
[21:37] If the current M3 was that great, and
[21:39] the M the current M3 is quite a good
[21:40] car, actually, why is everything old
[21:42] worth so much, right? And then you say,
[21:45] tell me about the price difference when
[21:46] you go to the Hagerty price guide or any
[21:48] anywhere and just look at the price
[21:50] difference and it'll say plus 80% for
[21:53] manual, plus 140% for manual.
[21:55] >> Right? These aren't just these aren't
[21:57] just random idiots. People are paying
[21:59] actual money, new car money or more.
[22:01] >> Look at Gordon Murray's car. They they
[22:04] offered was it a dual clutch or a single
[22:05] clutch automated manual on T50
[22:07] >> and one two people two people chose it.
[22:10] >> I didn't even know that that was a
[22:10] possible.
[22:11] >> So he said forget it. Take it off the
[22:13] offering. One person cancelled his
[22:14] order. The other one said yeah thank
[22:15] you. Save me from a mistake anyway.
[22:17] >> Huh?
[22:18] >> It the market has spoken. There is the
[22:20] question is if I need to get from here
[22:22] to across town, what's the most
[22:24] efficient way? Right? I'll take a taxi.
[22:25] I'll take an Uber. I'll take a Whimo.
[22:27] You can drive. I'll drive. Whatever it
[22:28] is.
[22:29] >> What's the most fun way? It's sure as
[22:32] poop isn't going to be getting into a
[22:33] bus. I'm going to dance my way across
[22:35] town and Emanuel's a dance.
[22:37] >> Porsche almost lost it, too. 911 GT3.
[22:39] They went PDK. I I worked for Porsche at
[22:41] that time and I remember a lot of
[22:42] meetings where it was like we're trying
[22:43] to push people into PDK. This is our
[22:45] future. Obviously, it was more they made
[22:47] more money. But once the automakers
[22:48] started to realize you didn't
[22:49] necessarily make more money with the
[22:51] automatic,
[22:51] >> you actually could do this.
[22:53] >> I and I don't understand why Ferrari, a
[22:55] public company, doesn't pursue that.
[22:56] >> They have their head so far up. It
[22:58] >> makes no sense though. certain
[22:59] orififices, they just I hate to say it
[23:01] because 296 is a wonderful car.
[23:03] >> Wonderful car.
[23:03] >> Um I I actually like that V6 better than
[23:05] I like any of their V8s, but the it's
[23:08] off the shopping list. A because the way
[23:11] it looks, but B because it is so
[23:13] expensive and C no manual.
[23:14] >> I have this thing that I call all these
[23:16] modern supercars that I call them rich
[23:17] guy go fast cars.
[23:19] >> We're just like McLaren's like rich guy
[23:21] wants to go fast. Boom. He's in a
[23:22] McLaren. Buy a McLaren Tamaria. like
[23:24] they're they're pretty a lot of the cars
[23:26] are pretty competent, but like
[23:28] >> there's there's there's no need to know
[23:30] anything or
[23:31] >> competency isn't enjoyment, right?
[23:33] >> Going fast isn't the fun part. You want
[23:35] to go fast going get a 747.
[23:37] >> And with that in mind, my number two
[23:40] >> Oh,
[23:40] >> ultimate dream car. A lot of the Sultan
[23:43] of Brunai cars.
[23:44] >> That's not just your ultimate dream car.
[23:47] >> There's I'll take whatever they got.
[23:48] >> You know what though? There's that
[23:50] green. Yes. Do you know that guy?
[23:52] >> Yes. I just met him at a car show. What
[23:54] you'd like personally know him? I'm
[23:56] interested in making an offer on that
[23:57] car.
[23:57] >> Oh, I don't know if you'd sell it. I can
[23:59] I can
[24:00] >> Let's talk.
[24:01] >> Okay, here's the deal. I will connect
[24:03] you if I get to drive it.
[24:05] >> Yeah.
[24:05] >> Okay.
[24:05] >> I think you'll probably be underwhelmed.
[24:07] You ever driven a 456?
[24:08] >> Don't care. It's a green wagon stick
[24:12] shift V12 Ferrari.
[24:15] >> Oh, I That's very difficult sound effect
[24:17] to do.
[24:19] >> There it is.
[24:20] >> There it is. Um, I I think the
[24:23] >> the sound guy always laughs when I say
[24:24] >> I think the Sultan cars are the coolest
[24:25] things in the world.
[24:26] >> He commissioned all these cars. He did a
[24:28] Bentley SUV called the Dominator, the
[24:30] Bentley Buccaneer, which was a twodoor
[24:32] long Bentley coupe. Like somebody who's
[24:34] like it was beautiful car W140 station
[24:38] wagon. Seven of those.
[24:39] >> I just saw a black one on Instagram the
[24:41] other day. Cool.
[24:42] >> They were all the W140 wagons were
[24:43] apparently sulten cars. Uh, apparently
[24:45] there was a V12 version as well. They
[24:47] all are right-hand drive, which is
[24:48] annoying, but I would
[24:50] really get into a Sultan car.
[24:52] >> I really want that 456 Venice, which I
[24:55] think isn't a Sultan car. The Sultan
[24:56] commissioned a run of those, but I think
[24:58] he only got a few and then some and then
[25:00] some didn't go to Brunai.
[25:01] >> We talked about
[25:02] >> I don't know if that one is
[25:03] >> that one was an automatic, too.
[25:05] >> That one's an auto.
[25:06] >> Was it was a Mercedes automatic that he
[25:08] has now been converted back to
[25:11] >> He should have done a lefthand drive
[25:12] conversion while he was at it.
[25:13] >> It's still It's right hand drive.
[25:14] >> Yeah.
[25:15] >> I kind of think that's hot.
[25:16] >> I just don't like driving right-hand
[25:17] drive. I would convert it. You'll learn
[25:21] >> salt and stuff. That 45 fix.
[25:24] >> That is That car is I haven't seen it in
[25:26] person, but it's local to me.
[25:27] >> I know it's in the Bay.
[25:28] >> He Yeah, they he showed up in another
[25:30] car and was I was talking to him and I
[25:32] friend of a mutual friend in introduc,
[25:37] hey,
[25:39] >> there's this really really rich guy
[25:41] named T. He's got huge money and I want
[25:43] a commission. And the commission is just
[25:45] like just give me a day. Just give me a
[25:47] day with that thing.
[25:48] >> Oh man.
[25:49] >> Maybe. Oh yeah, that is a that is a very
[25:51] cool car.
[25:51] >> Uh that's it. That's all you dream
[25:53] about?
[25:54] >> I mean, I do dream about other stuff. I
[25:55] kind of dream about like some big
[25:56] American boat.
[25:57] >> Really?
[25:58] >> Like I I kind of wouldn't mind
[25:59] >> 70s Cadillac.
[26:00] >> 70s Cadillac or like a or like a boat
[26:03] tail riv like some of the Riviera stuff
[26:05] is gorgeous. Even the front wheel is so
[26:08] I I would totally rock a Toronto. Can
[26:09] you imagine the burnouts you can do with
[26:11] a 400 500 cubic inch V8 and frontwheel
[26:13] drive?
[26:14] >> Yeah. But
[26:15] >> like I said, probably I kind of want
[26:18] >> I there like I want a GMC Cyclone really
[26:21] badly.
[26:22] >> I don't.
[26:23] >> Yeah, that the Cyclone was on my list of
[26:24] under 30 cars actually. Under 30,000
[26:26] >> that we Yeah, we both did a list of
[26:28] under 30,000. Mine's on that list, too.
[26:30] So, we will find
[26:30] >> You want a Cyclone?
[26:31] >> I I typhoon
[26:32] >> lust after the Cyclone. Not the Typhoon
[26:34] here. And if we do that episode, I'm I'm
[26:37] ruining it. It's It's 8 in shorter
[26:40] though. Hold on. It was in my notes. or
[26:41] it's only eight inches longer than Oh, a
[26:45] Kuji Corolla. Oh,
[26:46] >> it's They're tiny. They're itty bitty
[26:48] and they're black and they're like
[26:50] chunky and they're just great looking
[26:52] and they are so Have you driven one?
[26:54] >> Yeah.
[26:55] >> Stupid fast. Like dumb fast and silent.
[26:59] Like they make no noise and like it's
[27:00] just
[27:01] >> I wonder what would have happened if
[27:02] they had a decent transmission.
[27:03] >> I mean it's literally everything. I
[27:05] don't do trucks. I don't do American. I
[27:06] don't do V6s. I don't do turbos. I don't
[27:08] do all drives. I don't do automatics. I
[27:09] don't care. But we would I want it.
[27:11] Yeah. Uh, okay. Those are that's what we
[27:13] dream about. We don't have big dreams.
[27:14] We should have done a different video.
[27:16] Uh,
[27:18] thanks for watching Jason Kamisa, living
[27:21] legend. Goodbye everyone.
[27:23] >> Bye.