[0:15] Let's rewind. Rewind.
[0:21] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm
[0:23] your host, Ryan Ary, and today we're
[0:25] going to have a lot of fun. I have a
[0:26] feeling a lot of you guys are going to
[0:27] have a lot of fun in the comments with
[0:28] this question, too. It is quite simply,
[0:30] what is the biggest MCU mistake? Now, we
[0:33] got a few people on that we're going to
[0:35] talk to about this. If you guys have any
[0:36] super chats, they're always encouraged,
[0:38] but not required. Please feel free to
[0:39] drop them. We'll get to the comments a
[0:40] little bit later in the conversation.
[0:42] And we've already got a super chat.
[0:44] Thank you so much, Michael Redini. We'll
[0:45] get to that in a second. Uh, and I just
[0:47] want to lay out some criteria here.
[0:48] There it can be whatever kind of mistake
[0:50] you think. So, if you think it's
[0:51] something on the corporate level, if you
[0:53] think that there is a character that
[0:54] Marvel killed off, who should have not
[0:56] been killed off, or somebody they should
[0:58] have killed off, or a story they
[0:59] shouldn't have adapted, whatever it is,
[1:02] you can talk grand corporate strategy or
[1:04] we can get super granular with this. So,
[1:06] I am really excited to talk to everybody
[1:07] about this. Uh, first up, you know him
[1:09] as the guy who's trapped in our TV but
[1:11] doesn't know it. So, please don't tell
[1:12] him. Mr. Colton Agurn, what's up,
[1:14] Colton?
[1:15] >> I've got to [clears throat] get some new
[1:16] headphones. You always cut out right as
[1:18] you're bringing me on. It's super
[1:19] annoying.
[1:20] >> Got to get me some
[1:21] >> Well, it's good to see you.
[1:22] >> Wireless headphones. Good to see you.
[1:24] Yeah,
[1:25] >> I know you have no complaints about the
[1:26] MCU or Star Wars or anything else. So,
[1:29] um I I hope you can try to think of some
[1:32] kind of mistake for this.
[1:33] >> Well, I don't know, Ryan. Hold up. Yeah,
[1:35] I got my direct deposit. Yeah, no
[1:37] complaints.
[1:37] >> Oh, okay. So, all right. So, you have
[1:40] nothing bad to say because Marvel is
[1:42] >> filling your pockets with cash. And next
[1:44] up, you know him as the co-host of the
[1:46] Comic Book Club podcast, the guy without
[1:48] a cute nickname yet, Mr. Alex. What's
[1:50] going on, Alex?
[1:51] >> Uh, you can call me Wuzzles. How about
[1:53] that? Is that cute? Is that a cute
[1:54] nickname?
[1:55] >> It doesn't It's cute, but it doesn't
[1:56] It's not appropriate. We'll figure it
[1:58] out. I don't know.
[1:59] >> That's what I That's what I call him.
[2:01] [laughter]
[2:03] And hey, speaking of wuzzles and
[2:05] wuzzlelike things, because the wuzzles
[2:06] are actually a cartoon from the 1980s,
[2:10] and this person loves to cover cartoons
[2:12] and animation on her channel, Whitney
[2:14] Vision, Miss Whitney Van Lingham, what's
[2:15] going on, Whitney?
[2:17] >> Hi. I'm so excited because as a person
[2:20] who's never made a mistake ever in my
[2:22] life, I can't wait to talk about
[2:24] Marvel's mistakes.
[2:26] >> Absolutely. And if there's one thing we
[2:28] all can be assured of, it's that we are
[2:30] definitely the ones who should be
[2:32] casting the first stones. You look back
[2:33] at our lives and [laughter] our careers
[2:36] and we are without spot. So of course we
[2:39] are in the best position to tell
[2:40] professionals like Kevin [laughter]
[2:42] Feige and the Russo brothers and all
[2:45] these filmmakers what they should have
[2:47] been doing from the safety of the back
[2:48] seat. Right.
[2:50] >> Yeah.
[2:51] >> That being said, um look, we're Monday
[2:53] morning quarterbacking. Obviously, I
[2:56] would not trust me to do anything uh
[2:59] Marvel wise for any amount of money, but
[3:02] it's kind of fun to complain and let
[3:03] people know what we think they should
[3:04] have done. I don't know who wants to go
[3:06] first. Who's got I've got a list, so I'm
[3:09] I'm not in a rush. Who wants to go
[3:10] first?
[3:11] >> I wasn't aware of the topic literally
[3:13] until you messaged [laughter] me a few
[3:15] minutes ago.
[3:16] >> Oh, it's on the spreadsheet.
[3:18] >> Yeah, I know. I'm just saying I've
[3:19] already have several though. [laughter]
[3:21] >> Okay.
[3:21] >> Yeah.
[3:22] >> Well, hit us with one. Don't be shy.
[3:25] goes first.
[3:26] >> Falcon and the Winter Soldier should
[3:27] have been a movie and it should have
[3:29] been like a a direct like followup to
[3:33] Endgame cuz Ingame ends with Sam being
[3:36] given the shield game was like the
[3:39] second biggest movie ever. Everybody saw
[3:42] Endgame and it's just really weird that
[3:45] the followup to that is a Disney Plus
[3:49] show. I I just think that's odd. Why not
[3:51] do another Captain America movie? have
[3:53] it star uh Sam Wilson and Bucky, two
[3:57] guys who have been, you know, co-leads
[3:59] really in the Captain America movies,
[4:01] you know, behind Steve Rogers. Uh you
[4:03] could have had even, you know, old man
[4:05] Steve Rogers in it if you wanted to. I
[4:08] think Joe Biden plays the elderly Steve
[4:10] Rogers, right? So you could have had him
[4:11] come in.
[4:12] >> Yeah.
[4:13] >> Yeah. So I wish I wish he had ran again
[4:16] as Steve Rogers.
[4:17] >> As Steve Rogers, right? Yeah. Things
[4:19] would be different.
[4:20] >> I think he might run again. I think the
[4:21] third time's a charm. I think next time
[4:23] we just need to nominate him one more
[4:25] time. I think one more time.
[4:27] >> Yeah. I just
[4:29] >> look, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is
[4:30] far from perfect, but I think it has a
[4:32] far more interesting and like compelling
[4:35] story than Brave New World did. Like I I
[4:38] think it would have been so much more
[4:40] interesting of a story to tell on the
[4:42] big screen. I Bucky is like a fan
[4:44] favorite. like that Winter Soldier
[4:46] character is like beloved by like even
[4:49] like more like casual MCU fans like
[4:52] maybe fans who aren't diehard Screen
[4:54] Cross watchers but they you know they do
[4:56] make sure they go watch all the MCU
[4:58] movies like that kind of like
[4:59] middleground fan between Normie and
[5:01] Superfan. So I think they could have
[5:03] really I think they would have been
[5:06] really smart to make that the movie
[5:07] instead of just dropping that on Disney
[5:09] Plus and then doing the the half-baked
[5:11] movie later. I I think things could look
[5:13] different had they done that.
[5:14] >> Let me ask you this. Okay, so I I kind
[5:17] of agree. I always thought like that as
[5:19] a status, right? You have all Zemo, all
[5:21] these people, um you know, Isaiah
[5:24] Bradley, John Walker, like those are
[5:25] seinal stories from the comics and
[5:27] seinal characters who have already been
[5:29] established in movies. So, yeah, I do
[5:30] agree in that sense. But if it if it
[5:32] goes from six episodes, which were not
[5:34] long, but they were about 40 minutes
[5:36] each, and you condense it to a movie,
[5:38] what plot lines do you think or do you
[5:40] guys think you can lose from that?
[5:44] >> Probably. I mean, as much as I like her,
[5:46] all the stuff with what is it? Aaron
[5:48] Kellerman. Uh, and I'm forgetting the
[5:50] name of the group she was in. The ones
[5:53] >> Flag Smashers,
[5:55] >> you know, if you focus it down on who
[5:57] is, you know, Battle for the Shield type
[5:59] thing with US Agent, with Bucky kind of
[6:02] standing back, but still sort of being
[6:03] there to step in, Falcon, also Isaiah
[6:06] Bradley. I guess like that makes it at
[6:09] least more of a focused and a follow-up
[6:11] like you're talking about Colton because
[6:13] even though Cap handed over the shield,
[6:15] you still expect that there's going to
[6:17] be a little friction there. And even in
[6:18] the comics, there was some friction as
[6:21] well for sure.
[6:22] >> I I don't know what's the character's
[6:24] name. Carly, right? We're talking about
[6:27] Is that who you were talking about? The
[6:28] Okay.
[6:29] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[6:30] >> I I don't I don't know if I want less of
[6:33] her. Like I mean she's a really
[6:34] interesting character that really puts
[6:36] Sam in this position where okay I'm
[6:39] already you know in a in an America
[6:43] where maybe a black man being Captain
[6:45] America is going to be you know hard for
[6:47] a lot of people to swallow. Like he's
[6:49] already facing those struggles but also
[6:52] here he is trying to say no I'm not
[6:54] defending a terrorist. I'm defending a
[6:56] kid who has been like uh you know
[6:58] misguided and is really you know if you
[7:01] think about it the reason she is the way
[7:03] she is is because of our own failures.
[7:04] And instead of you got to do better
[7:06] senator we could just have a movie that
[7:08] actually like shows instead of tells
[7:10] that. So while the John Walker portion I
[7:14] think is interesting from the show. If I
[7:17] had to pick between which one of them is
[7:19] like the the villain, the the obstacle,
[7:21] I I think I'd probably lean more toward
[7:23] Carly.
[7:24] >> Or I would get rid of Carly and keep the
[7:26] Power Broker as the villain.
[7:29] >> Like because that's really what it is
[7:31] that the source of it is that they're
[7:32] selling the that somebody has access to
[7:35] the super soldier for,
[7:36] >> right? And can I say I haven't seen it
[7:38] since co
[7:41] Oh, no. It holds up, dude. Like some of
[7:43] the action
[7:43] >> I completely forgot her name was Carly.
[7:45] I'm not going to lie to you. I was
[7:47] sitting there waiting for someone to say
[7:49] the name cuz I was like, "Shit." Oh,
[7:51] yeah. I forgot. Flag Smasher. I always
[7:54] see that cuz the depths of my colon that
[7:56] I had to sift through like while Alex
[7:59] was talking to try to find her name and
[8:01] find
[8:02] [laughter] I got it.
[8:03] >> Yeah. No, I was hoping someone would say
[8:05] it cuz I was like, "Shit, what was that
[8:07] kid's name?"
[8:07] >> Dude, I forget so many names on here all
[8:10] the time and Alex never does.
[8:11] >> I forgot Tom Walker yesterday. I called
[8:14] him [ __ ] Captain America. [laughter]
[8:16] >> But we knew who given name. That's just
[8:19] we only called John Walker Johnny
[8:21] Mayonnaise because [laughter] MTU forgot
[8:23] his name one time and was like, "What's
[8:25] that guy's name?" Johnny May or
[8:27] something.
[8:28] >> Wider than Tucker Tucker Carlson. Hey,
[8:31] Alex, we did have a good suggestion
[8:33] here. So Ethan's gas tune gave us two
[8:34] bucks and said, "Alex, the guy who's
[8:36] always available for the stream." What
[8:37] do you think about Alex, [laughter] the
[8:38] guy who's always home?
[8:40] Alex, the guy.
[8:42] >> I mean, that's sad, but it's true.
[8:44] >> Well, [laughter] I mean, like, I've got
[8:46] no room to talk. Whitney, throw us throw
[8:49] us a mistake. There's so many super
[8:51] chats right now we have to get to later.
[8:52] Like, it's a record.
[8:54] >> Are they all saying how correct I am
[8:55] about my
[8:56] >> Yeah, people pay money just to let you
[8:58] feel validated. Exactly. [laughter]
[9:02] >> That's the opposite of therapy where I
[9:04] go to feel validated and I pay someone a
[9:06] lot of uh a lot of money. Um, give it to
[9:09] me now. Uh, no. My biggest uh Marvel
[9:13] mistake in my opinion, I think that they
[9:16] should have killed Ant-Man in Quantia.
[9:20] I think that they should have gone the
[9:22] death of Ant-Man comic route. I think
[9:25] that that should have led to Cassie Lang
[9:28] heading up the Young Avengers, maybe
[9:30] even starting the West Coast Avengers
[9:33] kind of a deal cuz we've been in New
[9:35] York so much. Come on, bring bring a
[9:38] little my way. It's all on your side of
[9:39] the country. Give me Give me some LA out
[9:42] here. We only have Wonderman so far and
[9:45] Trevor Slatterie. Give us
[9:47] >> Ang She-Hulk. And She-Hulk. Uh, another
[9:50] one that's not
[9:51] >> that's like probably not coming back.
[9:53] Um,
[9:54] >> all you have is the Spurs loser.
[9:56] >> Yeah, we got we got Cowboy Deadpool,
[9:58] which I actually just picked up the
[9:59] Marvel Legends figure of. That's very
[10:01] cool. [laughter]
[10:02] >> Hell yeah.
[10:04] >> That's Whitney. That's a great We've
[10:05] made a couple videos on that and I think
[10:07] everyone was expecting him to
[10:08] >> I have too.
[10:09] >> Yeah. And
[10:10] >> I made so many theory videos on that
[10:12] before it came out cuz I was like that's
[10:14] the only way to keep the stakes cuz a
[10:17] lot of a problem that I've had with like
[10:19] a lot of the recent Marvel movies is
[10:21] that they used to have such like
[10:23] highstake moments where you would
[10:24] actually be sitting in the theater
[10:26] going, "Oh my god, how are they going to
[10:28] get out of this? How are they going to
[10:29] solve it?" And so when I was seeing
[10:31] trailers and like the poster and like
[10:33] Kang stepping on the helmet and
[10:36] everything, like I
[10:37] >> thought, "Oh [ __ ] this is totally gonna
[10:40] go there and like be the death of
[10:41] Ant-Man." That this is going to be
[10:43] awesome. We're going to finally get
[10:45] crazy high stakes like we had at the end
[10:47] of Infinity War going into Endgame, end
[10:50] of Endgame going into everything else.
[10:53] Uh, I was so hyped for the MCU to
[10:56] finally have like a crazy crazy death
[10:59] and it didn't work.
[11:01] >> It It borders on idiotic that that they
[11:04] didn't do it. Like I I get that he's
[11:06] Paul Rudd. You want Paul Rudd in the
[11:08] Avengers movie.
[11:08] >> Paul Rudd, but come on. Come on. Come
[11:10] on.
[11:11] >> Also,
[11:12] >> this is the Marvel No one's ever really
[11:15] dead universe. You could have had him
[11:18] get like brutally like you could have
[11:20] had what happened to Kang happen to
[11:22] Ant-Man. Have him like get brutally
[11:23] sucked into that power core or
[11:25] something. Have Kang like pushing his
[11:27] face into the power core and him getting
[11:29] like sucked into it and then he could
[11:30] have brought him back in King Dynasty.
[11:32] Well,
[11:32] >> well,
[11:34] you know, the original ending. I'm still
[11:36] holding out hope for King Dynasty,
[11:38] though.
[11:38] >> Me, too.
[11:39] >> You never know.
[11:40] >> They're working on it.
[11:41] >> I hear I hear it's dro I hear they're
[11:43] going to drop it on uh Daily Wire Plus.
[11:45] Yeah, I hear Ben Shapiro is looking hard
[11:47] on the script as we speak.
[11:49] >> Well, he's got Jonathan Majors all
[11:51] locked up. Or does he? Um, so the Would
[11:54] you guys be okay with the original
[11:55] ending of Quantum Mania where he was
[11:58] trapped in the quantum realm and then um
[12:00] Cassie like ends and finds the Young
[12:02] Avengers protocol on a computer? I think
[12:03] the reason they said they didn't do
[12:04] that, maybe it didn't test well, but
[12:06] also they were like, "This is three
[12:07] movies in a row where they end up in a
[12:09] quantum realm." And I personally think
[12:11] that would have been great because I
[12:12] just think you end it with Scott and
[12:13] Janet looking at each other and going,
[12:14] "Not again." Yeah. And then that's it.
[12:17] >> Totally.
[12:18] >> It's an Ant-Man movie. It's supposed to
[12:19] be Dags.
[12:21] >> Whitney's ending, I think, is the the
[12:23] perfect ending. Have him die. But yeah,
[12:24] the second best would have been at least
[12:26] have them be trapped there. But no, they
[12:28] were just
[12:29] >> and they could have done a whole, you
[12:30] know, at the ending of uh it was like
[12:32] Stranger Things season 3 where they like
[12:35] have Hopper die and they make it super
[12:37] real and they make it super believable
[12:39] and you're like, "Holy shit." before
[12:41] like the postredit scene obviously and
[12:43] like I remember being like, "Oh my god,
[12:45] he's really [ __ ] dead." And like they
[12:47] have all the characters like crying and
[12:49] Eleven has to move to California. They
[12:51] could have done that with Cassie Lang
[12:54] because I think that that would have
[12:55] been a really cool I mean sorry that I'm
[12:58] sitting here like that teenage girl
[13:00] should have had her dad die to give her
[13:02] life stakes and
[13:03] >> well she's not real.
[13:06] Yeah. I mean I think it would have been
[13:09] a really really cool Yeah. [laughter]
[13:12] >> I think it would have been a cool ass
[13:13] character motivation. I just do. I think
[13:15] that that could have been a really cool
[13:17] start to something. And then if they did
[13:19] bring him back and there was a reunion,
[13:21] she would have changed because she
[13:23] didn't have a dad and then he'd be like,
[13:25] "But I still love you." Ah. And it'd be
[13:27] so fun and cool to see that.
[13:29] >> And it also in the comics really hurt
[13:31] Kang. It really hurt
[13:35] by Ant-Man.
[13:37] >> I love Ant-Man. Ant-Man's a powerful
[13:40] character,
[13:41] >> but you don't have him beat Kang in a
[13:45] fist fight. This and [clears throat]
[13:46] then
[13:48] have him get small and crawl up his
[13:49] butt. That's the only way I support him
[13:52] beating Kang. And that didn't happen
[13:54] either. So, [ __ ] me. I guess
[13:56] >> it's like if Dark Side got beaten by
[13:58] Plastic Man. That it's sort of on that
[14:00] level.
[14:00] >> I will push back. plastic man is
[14:03] terrifying [laughter]
[14:04] >> that well
[14:06] >> if if I actually I'm a I'm a quantum
[14:09] mania defender right because when we
[14:11] talk about he was beaten by ants I've
[14:12] even like going into the science of this
[14:14] in videos like ants are so strong have
[14:17] like such power and then when they're
[14:19] that big the surface tension they would
[14:21] be like tanks like millions of
[14:23] unstoppable tanks so of course that
[14:26] would destroy his armor and his force
[14:27] field and you have to do that to Kang in
[14:29] that moment he has to be put on his back
[14:31] foot. But you're right, he has to
[14:34] triumph. And like Daniel Daniel RPK has
[14:36] said that their original plan was not to
[14:38] have Kang, but the council of Kangs be
[14:40] the villain. Like that's a great idea
[14:42] for Kang Dynasty. And I think you're
[14:44] right. I think it just destroyed any
[14:46] kind of not momentum, but any kind of
[14:49] excitement over that character, Alex.
[14:50] >> Yeah. No, it totally failed a street
[14:52] crowd.
[14:53] >> We've been talking. Wait, just Alex, I
[14:54] want to hear yours because I'm sure
[14:55] these aren't the only ones you guys
[14:57] have, so we're going to keep circling
[14:58] back to different ones as well.
[15:00] >> Sure. I mean I rather than a specific
[15:02] one I'll throw out a broadstrokes one
[15:04] about Marvel that's been said a billion
[15:06] times but this drives me off the ball is
[15:08] the lack of followup on end credits
[15:11] scenes. I think that has almost hurt
[15:14] Marvel more than anything else because
[15:17] you could do it once like you could miss
[15:19] one thing like you could do the Baron
[15:20] Bordo thing and miss following up on him
[15:23] being like no more sorcerers and like
[15:25] all right that's fine we skip by that
[15:26] maybe we'll come back to it later.
[15:28] >> Maybe he was just mad. Maybe he was just
[15:29] hungry when he said that. We don't know.
[15:31] >> Exactly. Yeah. Maybe just he's like
[15:33] >> And there was that there was that really
[15:35] big movie that they could have followed
[15:36] that up in that that [laughter]
[15:38] multiverse of madness movie,
[15:39] >> right? But but it's not like my point is
[15:42] that like you could do that once, maybe
[15:44] twice where you're like, "Okay, I
[15:45] understand there was a reason we blasted
[15:47] past that thing." But they've done that
[15:49] so many times now it starts to erode
[15:52] audience trust because rather than
[15:54] having where they started where it's
[15:56] like, "Oo, it's Nick Fury. What's going
[15:57] to happen with him?" Well, I'll find out
[15:59] in Iron Man 2. Thor's hammer showed up
[16:01] at the end. Where's that? Oh, the next
[16:03] movie is Thor. So, like it's this
[16:05] started as this very straightforward
[16:07] thing. And suddenly you have all of
[16:08] these end credit scenes of Shani being
[16:10] like, "What's the secret signal from
[16:12] space? You'll never find out. You're
[16:15] never going to know. I mean, maybe we'll
[16:16] know in doomsday, but like up until then
[16:19] later years." Yeah.
[16:21] >> Exactly. [clears throat] And it then it
[16:22] becomes not careful planning. it
[16:24] becomes, oh crap, there's this thing on
[16:26] this board that we got to tie up with a
[16:28] bow somehow because we left it dangling.
[16:30] Like that's definitely how I felt when
[16:32] they finally came back to the celestial
[16:34] in the ocean in Captain America: Brave
[16:36] New World where it wasn't like, "Ooh,
[16:38] they planned this the whole time. It
[16:40] was, oh, right, that thing was there.
[16:42] That was a thing that they left behind."
[16:44] They just again like I think it's the
[16:47] overall sense of the universe sort of it
[16:51] spills out into the movies and the TV
[16:52] shows itself where it starts to feel
[16:54] like well if those aren't important none
[16:57] of the rest of this is important. If
[16:58] you're not going to follow up on that I
[17:00] don't have to watch anything else.
[17:02] >> Yeah. Uh, James Gun said he doesn't want
[17:04] to do um postredit scenes in the DCU
[17:06] that actually tease things because he
[17:08] was locked into Adam Warlock from
[17:10] Guardians 2 and he had a hard time
[17:12] fitting him into Guardians 3. I
[17:13] >> I think there's a happy medium there
[17:15] honestly between what Gun is saying and
[17:17] what MCU has been doing for a while
[17:20] where if you know [clears throat] a
[17:22] project is coming, you can throw
[17:24] something in there for sure and tease
[17:26] it. It doesn't all have to be uh what
[17:28] was it? Mr. Terrific and Superman
[17:30] stereo. Take a scene from it. Yeah,
[17:32] exactly.
[17:32] >> Like they would do like in Ant-Man,
[17:33] there's a scene from you, Winter
[17:35] Soldier.
[17:36] >> Took took the words right out of my
[17:37] mouth that
[17:39] >> that's what the postredit scenes need to
[17:41] be is because they always know what the
[17:44] next one coming out is. They might not
[17:46] have it locked down with the the next
[17:48] one like in five movies down the road,
[17:50] >> just put a postredit scene that
[17:53] >> that also just makes more sense from a a
[17:55] marketing perspective. If you've got a
[17:57] movie coming out in May and then you've
[17:59] got one coming out the following
[18:01] December, have the postredit scene for
[18:03] the May one be for whatever the December
[18:05] movie is. It doesn't have to be
[18:06] >> put a gag in.
[18:08] >> Yeah. And a gag a gag postredit scene.
[18:10] Yeah.
[18:10] >> Right.
[18:11] >> Taylor Swift is now what the MCU used to
[18:14] be in terms of like Easter eggs and like
[18:16] seeding future projects. And I really
[18:18] think that the MCU needs to go back to
[18:22] being Taylor Swift because Taylor does
[18:25] it in a really cool way where she rolls
[18:28] things out. I'm sure you guys have seen
[18:30] Taytory. Yeah, that's right. That's
[18:32] right. I hijacked this live stream to
[18:34] talk about Taylor Swift.
[18:36] >> We were going to do a video on Taytory,
[18:38] but um I basically texted the wrong
[18:40] person. They never got back to me and it
[18:42] was cuz I
[18:42] >> Yeah. Why didn't you text me, you
[18:44] [ __ ]
[18:44] >> I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't
[18:46] know. Winnie, why didn't you tell me you
[18:47] were Taylor Swift Taylor Swift? I didn't
[18:49] >> I love Toy Story. I love cartoons and I
[18:51] love Taylor Swift. Yeah. How are you
[18:53] supposed to know that? We're only We're
[18:54] friends, Ryan. That's how
[18:56] >> you never talk to me about Taylor Swift,
[18:57] though. We talk about this [ __ ]
[18:59] Anyways, anyways. [laughter] Anyways,
[19:01] I'm turning off.
[19:02] >> She creates hype. She creates hype by
[19:04] seeding tiny little details years and
[19:07] years apart. even though they are years
[19:10] and years apart, fans can still actually
[19:12] connect them back to things because they
[19:15] do eventually actually happen. And she
[19:17] makes sure that all of her things do pay
[19:19] off. And she also does the thing where
[19:22] she doesn't start leaving Easter eggs
[19:23] for something until a project is
[19:25] actually confirmed. She started seeding
[19:28] Toy Story Easter eggs back in like
[19:30] November with her outfits. It's crazy.
[19:32] That woman's the Zodiac Killer. So, I
[19:35] think Marvel needs to do that. Michael
[19:37] Rendini gave us $10 on a super chat and
[19:39] has a thought that echoes what uh Alex
[19:41] and you guys are saying here. Not really
[19:43] using the multiverse until Fantastic 4,
[19:46] Scrapping Kang, using Doom Too late, no
[19:48] Avengers films, and abandoning Shang
[19:50] Chi. That movie was so much fun and the
[19:52] setting felt fresh. So yeah,
[19:54] >> they mean by having a film actually take
[19:57] place in a different universe.
[19:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By like and I
[20:01] think we did a video when Spider Noir
[20:03] came out. I made the same point like
[20:05] >> why didn't we just get this? Why
[20:07] couldn't we have had like something in a
[20:08] western or whatever?
[20:10] >> Didn't you kind of want um was it
[20:12] She-Hulk to or was that a theory going
[20:14] on? People wanted She-Hulk to be
[20:16] revealed that it was taking place in a
[20:18] different universe or or like come the
[20:20] end of um
[20:21] >> it would it would make sense. I mean
[20:23] that that would not break that would
[20:24] make her fourth wall breaks not break
[20:26] continuity. I keep pushing for Shanqi in
[20:28] the 1970s. Like gritty 1970s scorsi
[20:31] Shani movie shot on 35 millimeter.
[20:34] >> I mean, if you're gonna do a multiverse
[20:36] saga, like I like No Way Home for what
[20:39] it is. I guess I could [ __ ] about it
[20:41] for hours and I I had fun with Deadpool
[20:43] and Wolverine, but you would think maybe
[20:45] if you want to do a multiverse saga,
[20:48] maybe you like tell Sony, "Hey,
[20:50] >> let's do a Spider-Man 4 with Toby. Let's
[20:52] do another X-Men movie or something." If
[20:55] you really want to build up to these
[20:56] different universes like all heading to
[21:00] this same like culmination point where
[21:02] they literally are going to collide,
[21:03] that would have been cool. Well, here's
[21:06] mine and mine's along these my first one
[21:08] along those same lines. Marvel
[21:10] officially bought Fox. Um, basically
[21:13] Disney was buying Fox. It was started to
[21:16] like their bid got approved in 2017. It
[21:18] was finalized in 2018. And I remember
[21:21] people asking Kevin Feige, "Oh, when
[21:22] when you gonna do the X-Men?" He's like,
[21:24] "Well, we plan everything like five, 10
[21:26] years in advance, so not for a while."
[21:29] So, first of all, call in [ __ ] on
[21:31] the planning thing because as we found
[21:33] out and as we'll talk about in a second,
[21:35] um, they will absolutely shuffle
[21:38] something in if they think it's going to
[21:40] do well. Like, Agatha all along was not
[21:42] part of the overall plan. I don't think
[21:44] I think that it did well and they had a
[21:46] great concept and they listened to the
[21:47] creatives and they said, "Yeah, we'll do
[21:48] Agatha all along. That sounds
[21:49] fantastic." I don't know why it'll be 10
[21:53] years before we get the X-Men in the
[21:54] MCU.
[21:56] That to me is ridiculous.
[21:58] >> Shuffle's the wrong sh word. It's more
[22:00] like shoehorn. They'll shoehorn it in
[22:01] for sure.
[22:03] >> Yeah. And especially, like I said, we'll
[22:05] get that in a second. But when you look
[22:06] at the X-Men, I'm like, "Okay, so I
[22:07] looked forward. The reason I didn't mind
[22:09] when Disney bought 20th Century Fox and
[22:12] called this venerated studio is because
[22:14] I was like, "Oh, cool. The X-Men are
[22:15] going to be in the MCU." because I
[22:16] wanted to see the X-Men introduced
[22:19] slowly and find ties to the existing
[22:22] universe and you know we had all these
[22:23] different theory videos and stuff we did
[22:25] like maybe read Richard's work for
[22:26] Shield stuff like that and um I think
[22:29] it's really weird that instead they were
[22:31] like oh yeah no let's you know those Fox
[22:33] X-Men movies that had run out of gas and
[22:35] nobody really likes anymore let's bring
[22:37] that team back and let's do the
[22:39] multiverse thing instead instead of just
[22:43] reintroducing them into this universe I
[22:46] don't I feel like the sentimentality
[22:47] toward those old movies was a little
[22:48] misguided and that we've had several
[22:50] movies saying goodbye to that franchise,
[22:52] the Fox X-Men, and they should have just
[22:54] introduced them in the MCU.
[22:55] >> Well, and it was right there to have the
[22:57] Fantastic Four have been trapped in the
[22:59] negative zone, have it be the quantum
[23:00] realm that and they could have not aged
[23:02] and everything. Sorry, Alex. Go ahead.
[23:04] >> No, no, [snorts] no. I I was just going
[23:05] to throw out there that I I feel like it
[23:07] points to this thing with the MCU
[23:08] sometimes where they both have too much
[23:10] time and then too little time to do
[23:12] everything. at least from my very
[23:14] outside perspective looking at
[23:16] production and post-production where
[23:17] they're like, "We got to really sit on
[23:18] this X-Men idea for 10 years." But when
[23:20] it comes down to it,
[23:22] >> they'll be like, "Oh, we didn't have a
[23:23] script." And we're on set. Oh my god. Uh
[23:26] like it the immediate thing that's been
[23:28] top of mind for me is that they're not
[23:31] shooting Secret Wars until August of
[23:33] this year, which granted it's a over a
[23:36] year out until the movie comes out in
[23:40] theaters. So technically that should be
[23:41] at the time for any movie. But it's
[23:44] weird to me that they didn't film
[23:46] Doomsday and Secret Wars back toback
[23:48] that they didn't really have, as far as
[23:50] we've heard, any sort of plan or script
[23:52] or real shooting order or anything like
[23:54] that on Doomsday. And I know that's been
[23:57] part and parcel with the MCU since the
[23:58] beginning since they were improvising on
[24:00] Iron Man and everything, but that
[24:02] clearly is not working. Like other ways
[24:04] of doing things are working. And whether
[24:07] it is subbing in the X-Men and figuring
[24:09] out a way like, okay, we have this. How
[24:11] do we make it work? How do we actually
[24:13] not take our sweet time and plan it out,
[24:16] but figure out how to make this universe
[24:17] better but
[24:20] push forward on those things in an
[24:22] appropriate amount of time. Give
[24:24] yourself an appropriate amount of time.
[24:25] Plan out things. There was, I know I'm
[24:27] kind of just blathering and monologuing,
[24:29] but there was this quote from Tom
[24:33] Holland the other day where he was
[24:34] talking about how he was on the Odyssey
[24:37] and saw Christopher Nolan making a movie
[24:39] and actually planning advance and he's
[24:41] like,
[24:42] >> "Have you guys ever thought we could
[24:43] maybe do this with a Spider-Man movie?
[24:45] We should try that."
[24:46] >> That's what I was about to say as you
[24:48] were saying that.
[24:48] >> Have we tried being film makers in the
[24:51] MCU? Have we tried working with films?
[24:53] He he even called out he even called out
[24:56] in that interview that you're talking
[24:58] about how um they'll plan like the whole
[25:01] action sequences and set pieces ahead of
[25:03] time and then do the story around it.
[25:05] And didn't he say like he pretty much
[25:07] told them we're not doing that like
[25:09] Yeah.
[25:10] >> And who was the writer? I I just read a
[25:12] report that they brought a writer in who
[25:14] like reworked the whole brand new day
[25:16] script before they started filming. Um
[25:20] let me look. you guys talk amongst
[25:21] yourself, but they brought in like a
[25:22] well-known writer from another show that
[25:24] kind of gave the script a pass before
[25:26] they started filming.
[25:27] >> You know, it's interesting though
[25:28] because, you know, Alex, you mentioned
[25:29] that was kind of what they did with Iron
[25:31] Man and especially Iron Man 2 where the
[25:33] creative committee were throwing their
[25:34] notes into it. One of the few exceptions
[25:37] were the Avengers movies and the
[25:39] Guardians of the Galaxy movies where you
[25:40] had a director who was also a
[25:41] screenwriter and all these other
[25:43] instances and this is mostly taken from
[25:44] the brand of Marvel Studios book. They
[25:47] started to have this pattern of getting
[25:49] their visual effects started. Like you
[25:51] said, Colton, they know the big action
[25:52] scenes, which by the way is not unusual.
[25:55] John Woo, uh, George Miller, a lot of
[25:57] great action directors, Christopher
[25:59] McQuary on the Mission Impossible films,
[26:01] they start filming those Mission
[26:02] Impossible movies before they have a
[26:03] script because they do the stunts. So
[26:05] Haley Atwell, when she meets Tom Cruz's
[26:07] character in that movie where she meets
[26:08] him, I think it's the first reckoning
[26:09] one, she has no idea why they're
[26:11] running. No one does. They just know
[26:13] they have to run, you know. Um, and they
[26:16] were they would do the visual effects
[26:17] and build everything around that. And
[26:18] then like you said, eventually you just
[26:21] run out of steam. And I think that gets
[26:23] into my next one, which I'll talk about
[26:24] in a second.
[26:25] >> But I there's nothing wrong with that in
[26:28] itself. There's nothing wrong with
[26:30] saying we don't have the exact details
[26:32] of the script locked down, but these
[26:34] movies and especially these set pieces
[26:36] are a a lot to get done in a short
[26:39] amount of time. So, it's okay to start
[26:41] pre-planning, but So, I'm not saying you
[26:43] have to have like a completely finalized
[26:45] every single detail script,
[26:47] >> but at least have an outline. It It
[26:49] sounds like they start planning these.
[26:51] Yeah, it sounds like they start with,
[26:53] "Oh, well, we're going to have a fight
[26:54] scene on a train.
[26:56] >> Why? I don't know who we are. We'll
[26:59] figure it out.
[27:00] >> We'll figure it out or something."
[27:01] >> And then you bring in your indie
[27:03] director who you bring in an indie
[27:04] director who's good with actors and they
[27:06] can do all those dialogue scenes in
[27:08] between. And they tell them, they
[27:09] literally told Anna Bowden and Ryan
[27:10] Fleck, don't worry about the visual
[27:12] effects stuff. We got that.
[27:14] >> And if you want to insert any like
[27:16] dialogue in the fight that would come
[27:17] later, you can just go in and insert
[27:20] that, you know, do tight shots of the
[27:21] actual like exchange,
[27:22] >> but they do those shots later. I mean,
[27:24] that's the thing, like they work on all
[27:25] these sequences, they get them mapped
[27:27] out. If they do the same thing on the
[27:28] Fast and Furious movies where they're
[27:30] usually not on location, it's very rare.
[27:32] like Vin Diesel. Yes, he was in Rome. He
[27:34] was in Cuba. But usually when they film
[27:36] those scenes, they're not on location.
[27:38] They're in the studio in front of a blue
[27:40] screen.
[27:41] >> Yeah. The guy
[27:42] >> Diesel just goes those places because he
[27:44] wants to go, you know, like he was like,
[27:47] "Oh, Rome sounds great. Cuba, great."
[27:49] >> Which explains why he's always hours
[27:50] late to set.
[27:52] >> Yeah. 100% explains that.
[27:54] >> The guy that wrote Challengers was
[27:56] brought on to do kind of a last
[28:00] >> explains it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think
[28:02] there's going to be a scene with MJ and
[28:05] Peter and
[28:07] >> Peter's new and MJ's new guy?
[28:09] >> Yeah, the new boyfriend.
[28:11] >> The new boyfriend and and Spider-Man and
[28:14] they're going to have to make out. Holy
[28:15] [ __ ]
[28:16] >> Ned's watching happening.
[28:17] >> Dream come true. Yeah, Ned's in the cuck
[28:19] chair. Of course. [laughter]
[28:21] >> He's the guy in the cuck chair.
[28:23] >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I YEAH, Ned's in the
[28:25] cuck chair. You got to have THAT ONE
[28:27] GUY.
[28:28] >> THE GUY IN THE CHAIR. YEAH, [laughter]
[28:33] >> it's hilarious.
[28:34] >> I'm sorry I killed you.
[28:35] >> It's hilarious. It's really [laughter]
[28:38] >> Well, anyways, Phil Rumba from Down
[28:39] Under gave us eight Australian dollars
[28:41] and said the multiverse saga never had
[28:43] its Thanos without a clear overarching
[28:45] big bad. Everything felt disconnected
[28:47] and directionless. How's Doug doing?
[28:48] He's great. Um I they did have a big
[28:51] bad. It was Kang. They were setting Kang
[28:53] up. He was there. He was in Loki. He was
[28:57] um he appeared in you know they gave him
[28:58] his start in Quantum Mania and then it
[29:00] turned out oh it's not Kang it's the
[29:02] council. They they tried to pull a bait
[29:03] and switch on us that just
[29:06] >> they're not jazz anybody up.
[29:08] >> I mean that points to not to get too
[29:11] deep into it or anything but like the
[29:14] trifecta of things that were working
[29:15] against Marvel during this time period.
[29:17] One is COVID. The second is the fire
[29:21] hose of content that Disney was telling
[29:23] them to produce both for Disney Plus and
[29:26] for theaters. Particularly when like
[29:28] >> they didn't know how to make TV and they
[29:30] still kind of don't know how to make TV.
[29:32] They're sort of retroactively being
[29:33] like, "Huh, how do you make TV? We
[29:35] should look into that."
[29:36] >> Pilots.
[29:37] Interesting.
[29:38] >> I don't know. Showrunners. What are we
[29:40] thinking? Yeah. And then the third thing
[29:41] is the situation with Jonathan Major
[29:44] which threw an enormous wrench into
[29:46] Eddie plans that they had for Kang. And
[29:48] there were certainly ways around that
[29:50] other than coming up with Robert Downey
[29:52] Jr. as Dr. Doom, but that's what they
[29:56] went with. And again, like Yeah. What
[30:00] other he can't recast somebody in the
[30:03] multiverse. That doesn't work.
[30:04] >> But he had a no recast
[30:06] >> he had a no recast thing a clause in his
[30:08] contract. So because he knew his Yeah.
[30:10] Because he he knew in the multiverse
[30:12] saga
[30:13] >> he wanted to play variations of himself.
[30:15] He didn't want to be acting against
[30:16] somebody else playing King.
[30:17] >> Now that presumably would have included
[30:19] an endmification clause which would mean
[30:21] that you know had he done something like
[30:23] get convicted of a crime
[30:25] >> then they could recast him. But then
[30:27] you're getting into a whole other thing
[30:29] where
[30:30] >> basically he was exonerated legally in
[30:32] that whole deal. And you know that like
[30:34] you talk to attorneys like Mike Misella
[30:36] came on and was like actually this is
[30:38] what happened. So it gets really sticky.
[30:40] Alex is right about that.
[30:41] >> Okay. But you know what? I no I don't
[30:42] accept that excuse because one you're
[30:44] right. He he violated the clause that
[30:47] was totally in there that you know if he
[30:48] did any brand uh hurting of their brand
[30:51] they could totally recast him and like
[30:53] his and you know what
[30:55] >> if he doesn't like it if he thinks he
[30:56] has a case then he can sue them. Have
[30:58] fun suing Disney. I can't believe I'm
[31:00] saying that about the giant corporation.
[31:02] But yeah, have your pay Disney.
[31:04] >> Yeah, they just pay him off and he'd be
[31:06] done. So I don't like that excuse.
[31:07] [laughter] I think it was
[31:08] >> No, Disney pays you.
[31:09] >> Don't pay me. Pay me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[31:11] Yeah.
[31:11] >> I I think it was pathetic. [laughter]
[31:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it was pathetic they
[31:16] didn't recast King Kang. I always
[31:17] thought that was so incredibly
[31:20] >> such a disrespect.
[31:21] >> I'm with you. I think that it's
[31:23] ridiculous that like dude, if if I one
[31:27] time, this is a true story. I got fired
[31:30] from uh a job because I was really
[31:33] really hungry and it was a half day and
[31:35] we were getting out at 1 pm, but at like
[31:37] 11:30, I was like, I'm so hungry. I got
[31:40] to go get a sandwich. And I came back
[31:42] and my boss was like, it's a half day.
[31:45] You couldn't have just waited till you
[31:47] clocked out. Why would you do this? And
[31:48] I was so hangry that I was like, "Leave
[31:51] me alone. I need to eat so bad." Uh, and
[31:54] I got fired from that job. And
[31:56] rightfully so, because I was being
[31:58] shitty. I should not have left in the
[32:00] middle of a workday to get a sandwich. I
[32:03] shouldn't have been cranky at my boss
[32:04] cuz I was hangry. That was on me.
[32:06] >> I mean, what majors did was a lot worse.
[32:09] >> Exactly. So, if I can accept it,
[32:11] >> I'm not even sure. Yeah,
[32:12] >> that's what I'm saying. I deserve to
[32:14] lose that job. He way deserved to lose
[32:17] that job. And he and his contract should
[32:19] be broken. My contract got broken. I
[32:21] didn't get paid anymore. They could they
[32:24] they could have they they definitely
[32:25] recast my position of social media
[32:27] manager. Uh and rightfully so. They
[32:30] should have. Why can't they recast Kang?
[32:33] He did something shitty at work, too.
[32:34] >> I think it's super weird to fire
[32:36] somebody for getting a sandwich. That's
[32:37] just me, though. Jerry
[32:40] happened.
[32:41] >> Jerry Ross gave us five bucks and said,
[32:43] agreeing with what we said before,
[32:44] Marvel's biggest mistakes are
[32:45] introducing new characters then doing
[32:46] nothing with them like America Chavez
[32:48] and cliffhers that never get resolved.
[32:50] Um who's the new character they
[32:52] introduced? You guys are like, "Oh my
[32:53] god, how have they not done anything
[32:55] with this person since then?"
[32:57] >> Oh, Scar. Everybody loves Scar when he
[32:59] showed up in She-Hulk. Where is he? Why
[33:01] don't we have our own Scar?
[33:03] >> We all celebrated the appearance.
[33:04] >> Give him time to grow out that awful ass
[33:07] haircut. That's where he is.
[33:09] >> He's such a great character in the
[33:10] comics. I don't want to go into the
[33:12] whole lore now, but he really is. I
[33:13] think that's a great one.
[33:14] >> It's too
[33:16] It's too much everything. It's too many
[33:19] movies. It's too many shows. And it's
[33:21] way too many damn characters that
[33:23] there's something special about quality
[33:25] over quantity when there's too many.
[33:27] Like I used to think I needed to buy
[33:30] every single Marvel and Star Wars action
[33:32] figure that came out, but eventually I
[33:34] just ended up with a collection of 75%
[33:36] of figures that I didn't care about or
[33:38] want. It's much more special when you
[33:40] just buy the ones you want. Plus, you
[33:43] save some money. And and I before we get
[33:45] off at Kang, I just want to say in terms
[33:47] of mistakes, introducing not only the
[33:50] character and the entire concept of your
[33:53] movie franchise saga in a Disney Plus
[33:56] show
[33:58] might be the single biggest mistake they
[34:00] could have made. And I say that Loki is
[34:02] my favorite MCU show. I love Loki, but
[34:06] you do not introduce your Thanos and the
[34:08] entire concept of your film saga on a
[34:12] show.
[34:13] >> It is that
[34:14] >> yeah the show should have always been
[34:16] regarded as if you did watch this you
[34:17] get extra context which I thought Brave
[34:20] New World except for Isaiah Bradley felt
[34:22] like that it felt like a limited series
[34:23] that took place between the main series
[34:26] Mike gave us three bucks and said
[34:28] Taskmaster Kang and Modoc were
[34:30] mishandled that's a pretty good one too
[34:33] uh Modoc great character in the comics
[34:35] great character you know great show with
[34:37] Patton Oswalt it made cross returned but
[34:41] man
[34:41] >> I don't even when you said Modok I I
[34:43] don't even register him as Modoc. Like I
[34:46] was like Modoc when did they do Oh, they
[34:49] did do Modok kind of.
[34:51] >> Yeah. And Quania did get a little bit
[34:53] too Rick and Morty, the Jeff Lovenness
[34:54] of it all. Like the broccoli headed guy,
[34:57] stuff like that. Like it it veered too
[34:59] far toward that. Um H Portillo gave us
[35:02] two bucks and said biggest mistake was
[35:03] no Avengers movie before Doomsday. So
[35:05] this gets into what I was going to say.
[35:06] I I've said this a hundred times that
[35:09] you can introduce all these characters
[35:11] and you can do this, right? But not
[35:13] having an Avengers movie, I think, is
[35:15] what made people leave because you
[35:17] stopped feeling like, you know, there's
[35:19] look, not that not that you have to
[35:21] watch art to feel like a completionist,
[35:24] but when there are so many things to
[35:27] watch and then real life and things to
[35:29] go out and do and grass to touch and
[35:31] waterfalls to bask in and you're asking
[35:33] people to watch six episodes of
[35:35] Moonnight and 10 episodes or nine
[35:37] episodes of She-Hulk, it's a lot to ask
[35:39] of people and we want an Avengers movie.
[35:41] We want to know what it's building
[35:42] toward. But the simple fact is the
[35:45] reason they didn't have Avengers movies
[35:47] is because it's impossible when you
[35:49] scaled up production that much. When you
[35:51] involve that many characters and that
[35:53] many showrunners and that many people um
[35:55] which was a dictate from Disney trying
[35:58] to like make up for the pandemic and the
[35:59] losses they were suffering by building
[36:01] up Disney Plus. When you have that
[36:03] happen, it just becomes logistically
[36:05] impossible. And one thing that we've
[36:06] heard is that out from Alex Perez is
[36:08] that next phase Avengers movies won't
[36:11] just be giant teamups. They will be hey
[36:13] here's a team of Avengers. they're gonna
[36:15] fight Parismo or whoever
[36:17] >> and and Doomsday and Secret Wars and
[36:19] like this saga thematically this capper
[36:22] the way that they are actually going to
[36:23] make it feel bigger than Infinity War
[36:25] and Endgame is not only are we like
[36:28] having a culmination event of that saga.
[36:30] It's a culmination event of not only
[36:32] this saga but the Infinity saga, the Fox
[36:36] X-Men that came to it's it's this
[36:37] nostalgia thing of all of it coming
[36:39] together. Imagine had they actually
[36:42] taken the time to establish and do an
[36:44] Avengers movie with these new Avengers
[36:46] and these new characters and that would
[36:48] be yet another piece of this culmination
[36:49] event. We've got the new Avengers from
[36:51] the current thing coming in. We've got
[36:53] oh the Avengers that we love from the
[36:55] Infinity Saga. The Avengers from the
[36:57] Infinity Saga would feel just as like as
[37:00] much as like a piece of nostalgia as the
[37:02] X-Men are and as Toby and Andrew
[37:04] Spider-Man are like, "Oh, they're coming
[37:06] back."
[37:07] >> It doesn't really feel like, "Oh,
[37:08] they're coming back." back. It really
[37:10] just feels like they never left. So it
[37:13] >> I I think this is a great point because
[37:15] you also need those tent poles. You need
[37:19] those marking points at the end of
[37:21] phases that we got uh leading through
[37:23] the Infinity Saga because you knew like
[37:26] I mean I'd be hardressed to tell you
[37:28] what the story of phase one or phase 2
[37:30] or phase three was, but I can tell you
[37:32] offhand like okay here's a movie's phase
[37:35] one leading up to Avengers. Here's phase
[37:37] 2 leading up to Avengers: Age of Ultron.
[37:39] Here's phase three leading up to
[37:41] Infinity War and then uh Endgame. And I
[37:45] think there was beyond what you're
[37:47] saying, Ryan, probably also this feeling
[37:48] of Endgame is the biggest movie of all
[37:50] time. How do we top that? We can't top
[37:52] that by going back to Avengers or Age of
[37:55] Ultron. We need to do Endgame times 2,
[37:58] which is certainly what they hope
[37:59] Doomsday is. And I think that's wrong
[38:02] because like Colton's saying, if instead
[38:04] at the end of phase four, we had gotten
[38:06] Thunderbolts colon the new Avengers,
[38:09] then you'd been like, "Oh, cool. Oh,
[38:11] this is a fun new team. Let's follow
[38:12] them." And then, exactly like you're
[38:14] saying, at the end of phase five, you
[38:16] get Sam's team or whatever. And then we
[38:19] get that big in game times 2 that
[38:21] Doomsday is, it feels more earned at
[38:24] that point.
[38:24] >> Earned. Exactly.
[38:25] >> I was so jazzed to see the Guardians
[38:27] meet the Avengers. Like, that was
[38:29] something I looked forward to. so much
[38:30] and it didn't disappoint when it finally
[38:32] happened. Um, yeah. All right, next.
[38:35] Sorry, we got MKNM6818
[38:37] says, "Such a pleasure seeing you all.
[38:39] Colton, I love you. Alex, such a legend.
[38:40] Whitney, never enough of you. Ryan, you
[38:42] demand." Thank you so much.
[38:44] >> And we really appreciate that.
[38:47] [laughter]
[38:47] >> I demand sandwiches.
[38:49] >> I demand
[38:51] at 11:30. He-Man, Rick Taylor. Uh,
[38:54] >> Rick Taylor. And I love this one. This
[38:57] is from what we were talking about
[38:57] yesterday with Ryan on this Captain
[38:59] America versus Nazis. It really bothers
[39:01] me that Captain America went through
[39:03] World War II and we never saw him shoot,
[39:04] kill, or maim a single Nazi.
[39:06] >> Well, kind of insane.
[39:08] >> Hydra is worse than Nazis. I don't know
[39:09] if you're aware.
[39:10] >> Oh, is are they? Yeah. Terrible line
[39:13] from Avengers or I hate it when he's
[39:15] talking to Loki and he goes, you know,
[39:18] the last time there was a man standing
[39:20] above everyone else.
[39:23] >> We ended up disagreeing.
[39:25] >> Yeah.
[39:26] So there's a really
[39:28] >> I'm sorry you disagreed with Hitler, I
[39:30] guess. Like Jesus [laughter] Christ.
[39:32] >> Agree to disagree, man.
[39:34] >> Hitler, I guess. Jesus. No.
[39:37] >> There's an adorable video. I wish I
[39:38] remember the creator who made it, who
[39:39] filmed his grandmother watching the
[39:41] Marvel movies. Um, you know, slowly
[39:44] because she wasn't going to marathon
[39:45] them. And when they were watching the
[39:46] Avengers, he said, "Grandma, you know
[39:48] who he's talking about." And she turned
[39:49] AND WENT, "HITLER."
[39:52] >> [laughter]
[39:54] >> IT WAS ADORABLE. She like knew the
[39:56] answer. She was so proud of it. She
[39:58] worked it out on her own.
[40:00] >> Oh, sorry. I just want to get through a
[40:01] couple more super chats here because
[40:02] they keep rolling in. Uh Brian Brick
[40:04] gave us 10 bucks and said, "Using DNA
[40:06] mutation as a result of being snapped
[40:08] back would have worked great for
[40:10] introducing mutants." I agree. So, after
[40:12] the like maybe Thanos snapping everybody
[40:14] away triggers the mutant gene.
[40:15] >> Also, um they are already dealing with
[40:18] marginalization due to their five-year
[40:20] displacement. So yeah, maybe when we
[40:22] come back in Endgame, um, mutants have
[40:25] been popping up and they're already
[40:26] like, all this weird things happening.
[40:28] That's something we missed. And then we
[40:30] could have, and this is should be a
[40:31] mistake I think we could list. We should
[40:33] have seen more stuff during the blip.
[40:34] That is a really interesting story
[40:36] opportunity.
[40:37] >> It is.
[40:39] >> Yeah, that and the I mean, I know
[40:40] everybody's talked about this a million
[40:41] times, but the whole Captain America
[40:43] bringing back the Infinity Stones thing,
[40:45] that would have been great to see as
[40:47] well, like have that as a concert. We
[40:50] might still.
[40:50] >> Yeah.
[40:51] >> It's almost like
[40:51] >> that is the kind of thing that belongs
[40:53] as a Disney Plus series.
[40:54] >> Yeah. It's almost like they could have
[40:56] done a sixpart series where he returns
[40:59] each stone. It's like it was just
[41:00] perfectly set up for them right there.
[41:03] >> The soul stone would make a great final
[41:05] one because he would finally I don't
[41:06] know what the character growth would be
[41:07] in that. I guess it would be him like
[41:09] figuring out he wants to be with Peggy
[41:11] even though he worked that out before
[41:12] because he told Bucky he was going to do
[41:14] it and stuff, but maybe him grappling
[41:15] with that decision. like he's decided
[41:17] he's going to end this talking to Peggy,
[41:19] but as he returns each stone, he sees
[41:20] all these problems and he has to finally
[41:22] phase by phase realize, okay, I can't
[41:25] solve this. Like I have to actually be
[41:27] okay with Bucky being mind tortured for
[41:29] decades.
[41:30] >> I love all those memes where it's a
[41:32] picture of Haley Atwell and it says,
[41:33] "Yeah, I would have broke the timeline
[41:35] for her, too." [laughter] I would
[41:39] [snorts]
[41:39] >> I think that they should do it they
[41:41] should do it like the pit. They should
[41:42] make each Infinity Stone uh one hour of
[41:46] the day of Steve Rogers day and it's
[41:48] about how in one day he has to return
[41:50] all six Infinity Stones. I'd watch the
[41:53] [ __ ] out of that. But just think too
[41:56] he's going to be reading he's reading
[41:57] the morning paper and he's like drinking
[41:59] his coffee and he's thinking when Peggy
[42:03] works for the should I tell her about
[42:04] 911? Yeah. Should I, you know, like all
[42:07] these things he could help and prevent
[42:09] over the decades, like all the people he
[42:11] could help and save.
[42:13] >> I want to see him pull a Brian from
[42:14] Family Guy and like he gets in an
[42:16] argument with someone and the guys like
[42:18] challenges him to a fight anytime,
[42:20] anywhere. And Steve's like, "All right,
[42:21] Top of the World Trade Center."
[42:23] [laughter]
[42:26] >> Phil Rumba from Down Under Gave us
[42:28] another eight Australian dollars and
[42:29] said they put out too much content and
[42:31] now it means nothing. endgame to
[42:32] doomsday uh means that too much content
[42:36] now means nothing. What a waste of time.
[42:38] And I think it goes back to what we were
[42:39] saying a second ago. It does start to
[42:41] kind of numb you when you feel like
[42:43] things don't necessarily lead to other
[42:45] stuff. And again, I don't know. I don't
[42:47] want to repeat myself, but I really feel
[42:50] like the lack of Avengers movies at the
[42:51] end of every phase killed the multiverse
[42:53] saga more than anything else. But that's
[42:55] a more systemic problem that comes from
[42:56] Disney corporate um relying on their
[43:00] cash cow too much because I don't know
[43:02] their live action remakes didn't make as
[43:04] much money as they thought.
[43:06] >> I I'm fine with them not necessarily
[43:08] having to lead to other stuff even but
[43:10] quit pretending like it is that like
[43:13] like the point Alex was making earlier
[43:15] with the the postredit scenes. They
[43:16] pretend like it's leading to something
[43:18] but it doesn't. If you want to just do
[43:20] like some solo movies that aren't
[43:21] necessarily, you know, building to to
[43:23] quote Skeletor, the Christian, no, you
[43:26] just do the movie. Don't pretend like
[43:28] it's going somewhere if it's not.
[43:30] >> I got a good one before I get back to
[43:32] the super chats. I think Eternal should
[43:33] have been a TV series.
[43:35] >> Mhm. That'd be an expensive ass TV
[43:37] series.
[43:38] >> It really would. But at that point,
[43:41] >> Yeah. But hell, at that point, you're
[43:42] talking about dumping like
[43:44] >> $500 million on a season of Andor. like
[43:47] Disney was investing in it like it was a
[43:49] tech startup. That would have been to do
[43:51] it.
[43:51] >> I mean, it was
[43:52] >> I would have been glued to the TV every
[43:55] night, every night for 10 weeks,
[43:57] watching Kingo and his beautifully
[43:59] sculpted arms and abs. Justice for
[44:01] Kumale's abs. As I always say, we never
[44:04] got to blend.
[44:06] >> I [screaming] know. And it's so
[44:07] >> I hated killing Gilgamesh. I thought he
[44:09] was great. That that was one character I
[44:10] was like, "Oh, it hurts." And I know
[44:12] he's a robot, so he can come back, but
[44:14] he was my favorite Eternal. I really
[44:16] hated to see him go.
[44:18] >> That's a really good idea, Ryan, because
[44:20] it is episodic that movie like which
[44:23] doesn't necessarily work for a movie,
[44:25] but you're jumping through different
[44:26] timelines. So, even if you do the dual
[44:29] timeline thing that every Prestige show
[44:32] does, that would work really well. Have
[44:34] the Eternals of the Present follow Kit
[44:36] Harrington and his adventures and then
[44:38] flash back every episode to show us a
[44:41] different point in the Eternals history.
[44:43] Well, and not to mention that the best
[44:45] Eternals comic book is the Neil Gaiman
[44:47] one where that's the structure. They
[44:49] have all forgotten being Eternals and
[44:50] Icarus goes around reminds them of who
[44:52] they were. So, we discover along with
[44:54] them who they were.
[44:55] >> It's also Oh, sorry. Was saying
[44:58] something or
[44:59] >> Oh, maybe not. Go ahead. Sorry. I
[45:00] thought you
[45:01] >> It's Thank you. Uh, it's also not uh
[45:05] insulting to make Eternals a show. I
[45:07] know I, you know, [ __ ] about this all
[45:09] the time, but there are certain things I
[45:11] just don't think you downgrade to a TV
[45:13] show, it belongs on a big screen.
[45:14] Eternals, that's perfect for a TV show
[45:17] because it's like a thing that really a
[45:19] casual fan hasn't heard of that. I think
[45:21] a TV I think Disney Plus Marvel shows is
[45:24] a great place to introduce lower level
[45:27] things like more obscure things. So
[45:29] yeah, I I agree that would have been
[45:30] maybe you can't have Angelina Jolie in
[45:32] it but
[45:34] >> why not? George Clooney was on TV. He
[45:36] was in ER. You can put Angelina on TV.
[45:39] Give it to me, baby.
[45:40] >> Give an actor enough money, they'll do
[45:42] either. They
[45:43] >> Maybe they could. Yeah,
[45:44] >> they could have got John Voy to do it.
[45:47] [laughter]
[45:47] >> John Voy was on TV. He was on Ray Ray,
[45:50] whatever that show was called. Uh Cody
[45:52] Hall gave us five bucks and said, "Which
[45:54] villain would we like to see in the
[45:55] first MCU X-Men outing?" I love this
[45:57] question. Feel free to save your answer
[45:59] for more dedicated stream. No, because I
[46:00] think it goes back to what I was saying
[46:02] about the X-Men should have already been
[46:04] introduced into the MCU and Magneto.
[46:08] >> Yeah, Magneto's never been in an X-Men
[46:10] movie. How have we never had
[46:12] >> Have we never seen that before?
[46:14] >> It's crazy. He's a good character. Do
[46:16] you guys know about Magneto? Have you
[46:17] heard about him?
[46:19] >> No.
[46:19] >> Eric Magneto.
[46:20] >> You like have any kind of [laughter]
[46:21] close personal friend? Eric Magneto.
[46:23] >> I love Eric Magneto.
[46:25] >> Eric Magneto. That's what I call him in
[46:27] my personal life.
[46:28] >> And his arch and his arch nemesis,
[46:30] X-Man. I love X-Men. [laughter]
[46:35] >> I know that the comic nerd in me though
[46:36] is like, "Oh, X-Man." Young Nathan from
[46:38] the alternate future [laughter] age of
[46:40] apocalypse.
[46:41] >> That's what I'm talking about. What did
[46:42] you think I meant?
[46:43] >> I mean, low hanging fruits, Mr.
[46:45] Sinister. I've said Mojo would be really
[46:47] fun um in one of these movies. I think
[46:50] we actually did a whole talkback on this
[46:52] ones. Arcade would be terrible. Please
[46:54] don't do Arcade. I I can't imagine that
[46:56] working.
[46:57] >> I know, but
[46:59] >> I mean, depending on what they do with
[47:00] Spider-Man brand new day, I almost feel
[47:02] like they'll probably go the damage
[47:05] control route where it's not necessarily
[47:08] an apocalypse level villain or even a
[47:10] Magneto level villain so much as the
[47:13] government chasing after this young
[47:15] team. That's what I see happening.
[47:18] >> What do you guys think about the
[47:20] possibility of Mr. Charles being William
[47:23] Striker
[47:25] >> or Henry Peter
[47:26] >> Guy.
[47:29] >> I'm down with that.
[47:30] >> I like the idea of the X-Men versus the
[47:32] government. I think that is the most
[47:34] interesting. Uh
[47:36] >> I like him better as Guyrick because
[47:37] Guyrick has a little bit more reach in
[47:39] the comics. Striker was a in the comics
[47:40] was a preacher who they turned into, you
[47:42] know, and I kind of like Striker as the
[47:44] government opponent being from the X-Men
[47:46] universe and being Brian Cox.
[47:48] >> I like that being siloed there. What if
[47:51] severance guy is not playing uh Mezer
[47:54] and is playing Striker instead? Sorry,
[47:56] I'm just theorizing now, but that'd be
[47:57] cool. He'd be a cool Yeah, sorry. He'd
[48:00] be a Every time I I I either call him
[48:03] Severance guy or Devour fetchulence guy.
[48:05] [laughter]
[48:07] >> I I mean, talking about villains that
[48:08] we've kind of seen a bunch already in
[48:10] Xbad movies, it would be kind of neat if
[48:11] it's Striker and there is a weapon X
[48:14] program in the movie. You don't
[48:17] [clears throat] see Wolverine, but that
[48:18] is your setup for Wolverine somewhere
[48:21] down the road. Perhaps there's a record
[48:24] that they see somewhere in the offices
[48:26] or something like that. I don't know.
[48:27] >> Well, there have been so many other
[48:28] weapons X, too. Like there that's a lot
[48:31] of them over the years. Sorry, Colton, I
[48:33] stepped on you.
[48:33] >> Oh, and Bullseye is on the team. I I
[48:35] think Bullseye has to be on team X or
[48:38] whatever it's called. Yeah,
[48:39] >> I think he's [snorts] a mutant, too.
[48:40] Like I I think they're going to
[48:41] retroactively go back and say he's a
[48:43] mutant. Wonderman's a mutant. And that's
[48:45] I think they're going to make a lot of
[48:46] people mutants. And I think it's not
[48:48] even going to necessarily be because the
[48:50] universe reset because we're already
[48:52] seeing in 616 like uh Miss Marvel's a
[48:55] mutant. I think Bullseye is a mutant. I
[48:57] think that there are mutants and as um
[49:00] was it Agents of Shield that showed us
[49:02] that there's a lot of just like random
[49:05] super people, right? I I've only seen
[49:07] like season one of Agents of Shield, but
[49:09] didn't they like run into just like kind
[49:10] of random
[49:12] people? Yeah, that's interesting.
[49:14] Mutants and enhanced. Enhancer is like
[49:16] an outside event that causes the powers
[49:17] to happen,
[49:18] >> right? I I think that we could learn
[49:20] that mutation
[49:22] maybe is getting more and more rampant
[49:24] and like more are being born and stuff,
[49:26] but that it's always been a thing. They
[49:28] just haven't discovered the gene until
[49:30] the the gene, not the gene gray.
[49:33] >> But that that's kind of disappointing,
[49:34] too, that the you know, the Eternals is
[49:36] based on this comic story line called
[49:37] Earth X. It's alternate universe stuff,
[49:39] but basically the the point of it is
[49:41] that the reason the celestials gave
[49:43] everybody this the celestial gene which
[49:45] allows them to get superpowers was so
[49:47] they could act as antibodies to protect
[49:50] the the baby in the earth. And I always
[49:52] thought that made a lot more sense than
[49:54] oh yeah, we just need enough people to
[49:56] get smart and then when [laughter]
[49:58] there's enough people the brain waves
[49:59] feed. I always thought that was just too
[50:00] complicated. Like I would have kept it
[50:02] that and that also would explain more
[50:04] mutants because the baby's about to
[50:05] hatch and there's more threats from
[50:06] aliens. So the natural antibodies of the
[50:09] planet are producing more powered people
[50:11] as like Thanos invades etc etc.
[50:14] >> Uh the stars 2049 gave us a couple super
[50:17] chats. Says killing Wu and Shani was a
[50:19] huge mistake. Tony Lungs's favorite
[50:20] actor. Uh getting him in a Marvel movie
[50:23] was like getting Tom. It's like if Tom
[50:25] Hanks was Reed Richards. I I agree it
[50:27] was a big mistake. And I also think
[50:29] having a giant dragon at the end of
[50:30] Shani was stupid. I wish [snorts] it
[50:32] just been like to him and his dad.
[50:34] >> Yeah.
[50:34] >> Yeah. the other characters you guys are
[50:36] like really should not have killed that
[50:38] one. There was more for that character
[50:39] to do.
[50:42] >> I I'm kind of that way about almost any
[50:44] character because once you kill the
[50:46] character, you've cut off the story
[50:47] line. I mean, like we were talking about
[50:49] earlier, you could bring back anybody in
[50:51] the Marvel universe, but it's it's a
[50:55] bummer, you know, somebody I mean, I
[50:56] think about things like uh Mickey Ror in
[50:59] Iron Man 2 being so weird with his bird.
[51:02] Maybe that movie wasn't great across the
[51:04] board, but it would have been fun and
[51:05] weird to see him show up. I I'm still
[51:08] bummed
[51:08] >> that we've never gotten like a really
[51:10] good villain team at any point in the
[51:12] MCU. And you know, we had the Black
[51:14] Order. I don't think that necessarily
[51:16] count, but like I would have loved to
[51:18] see them leave everybody alive, put
[51:19] everybody in prison, have them all break
[51:21] out together and come back and attack
[51:23] the Avengers. That's a classic comic
[51:25] book trope, but it works for a reason
[51:27] because it's fun. You're like, "Oh man,
[51:29] that guy's with that guy. That's so
[51:31] cool. And we've never
[51:32] >> You get to see them play off each other.
[51:34] I thought Infinity War would be Thanos
[51:36] doing that. I thought, you know, because
[51:37] in in the comics, Thanos has like all
[51:39] this power because he gets the gems
[51:40] early. And I thought, "Yeah, man. I want
[51:42] to see like Iron Monger come back and
[51:44] team up with all these other villains
[51:46] and different Red Skull."
[51:47] >> Wasn't that kind of the plan a little
[51:50] bit? Wasn't there a little bit of an
[51:52] initial idea of like Red Skull would was
[51:54] gonna like be the villain of Avengers
[51:56] and like some other villains from phase
[51:58] one were gonna be brought in? Yeah, they
[52:01] were going to do Red Skull uh before I
[52:02] think when Weeden came on the I think
[52:05] Zack Zack Penscript also had Loki, but
[52:07] then they pivoted to Loki pretty quick
[52:08] though. But they were talking about
[52:10] having it be the Red Skull.
[52:11] >> I was
[52:11] >> I don't know if he was going to pull
[52:12] other villains in.
[52:13] >> I wasn't big on killing Natasha. I mean
[52:15] that she's like my favorite
[52:17] >> huge mistake.
[52:18] >> Yeah, and just the way that they did the
[52:22] Black Widow movie after was just such a
[52:25] [ __ ] up on on Marvel's part. They rolled
[52:27] that out so poorly. I am totally team
[52:31] Scarjo. Even though she's like the
[52:34] richest, highest paid actor in the world
[52:36] or whatever. Uh I'm still on her team
[52:39] because I think that the way that they
[52:40] rolled out that movie [ __ ] sucked. It
[52:42] was shitty to do to her. It was shitty
[52:44] to do to all of us fans.
[52:45] >> Well, that was the first one she was a
[52:47] producer on. So, she was actually going
[52:48] to make real like real money on it. Like
[52:51] he was going to make [ __ ] you money.
[52:53] >> Like like Colin Jo could quit SNL kind
[52:55] of money, you know, be a house husband
[52:57] if he want.
[52:58] >> Wow. That would have been two wins.
[53:02] [laughter]
[53:03] >> A I like calling jokes.
[53:05] >> I do too. I call them I call them Colin
[53:07] jokes. As you can see, I just change
[53:10] everyone's name.
[53:11] >> I love when they have to read the jokes
[53:13] that they write for each other.
[53:15] >> Me, too. That's always the best.
[53:17] >> This last one, I thought I don't know. I
[53:20] wasn't as into the the last joke swap
[53:22] they did. I I don't know. I think it
[53:23] that that it's kind of wearing off. But
[53:25] >> here here's a mistake. When did Black
[53:27] Widow come out? I I know it got screwed
[53:29] over with
[53:29] >> 2021.
[53:30] >> 2021.
[53:32] >> Yeah.
[53:32] >> Okay. Maybe this wouldn't have worked,
[53:33] but that that Black Widow movie the
[53:37] exact make it the exact same way you
[53:38] made it, I think, would have been a
[53:40] million times better and would have
[53:41] performed a million times better. Not
[53:42] even just because of the day and date
[53:44] release and co and all that. Take that
[53:45] out of it. If you had released it in
[53:47] between Infinity War and Endgame.
[53:49] >> Oh yes%
[53:51] between Civil War and Infinity War.
[53:54] >> Well, yeah. Yeah. if you want to go that
[53:55] far back, but even between I think
[53:57] Infinity War and Endgame, it would have
[53:58] worked because they kind of did prequels
[54:00] with um Captain Marvel, I I think you
[54:04] >> I almost wonder if maybe the Black Widow
[54:06] movie would have been better to slot in
[54:07] there than Captain Marvel. I don't know.
[54:09] And I really like Captain Marvel, but
[54:11] >> yeah. [snorts]
[54:11] >> Yeah, I think that helped it.
[54:14] >> I think as far as that goes, we did a
[54:16] video on this. I I just look at Matasha
[54:19] and I go I think having that character
[54:21] in the multiverse saga as the lone
[54:23] Avenger standing would have made a lot
[54:24] of sense. I think she would have been
[54:26] the one to get the team together and you
[54:28] know they were leaning toward that way
[54:29] and we never got to see her in that
[54:31] role. And it's funny the Black Widow has
[54:33] never been in the comics like somebody I
[54:35] would call a marquee Marvel hero, but
[54:37] then
[54:39] >> Anthony Ber into that. Yes, I would have
[54:41] liked to have seen that continue,
[54:42] >> dude. And the thing that sucks the most
[54:44] is that the Jeremy Rener app is gone
[54:46] now. So, Hawkeye has nowhere to talk
[54:48] about how sad it is that he lost
[54:50] Natasha.
[54:52] >> [ __ ]
[54:52] >> I know.
[54:53] >> I think about that every day.
[54:55] >> Journey Runner app.
[54:56] >> I still have my notifications on for it.
[54:58] I couldn't bring myself to delete it
[54:59] from my phone. Arman said, "I don't
[55:01] think we as a society are ready for
[55:02] doomsday for two pounds." Thank you.
[55:04] Brian Brick Brink gave us five bucks and
[55:07] said the series name for bringing back
[55:09] the Stones Avengers post game.
[55:14] M
[55:15] >> well done. Senpai AF gave us five bucks
[55:18] and said, "Would you like it or hate it
[55:20] if they said a lot of the past heroes if
[55:22] they said a lot of the past heroes were
[55:23] mutants or if society generalized all
[55:25] heroes as mutants to segregate them?" I
[55:27] would hate that. I would hate
[55:29] >> I would love it.
[55:30] >> I don't think uh it just because, you
[55:32] know, it's it's two different things.
[55:33] Mutants in the comics. It's also a thing
[55:35] like, well, why do people think
[55:36] Spider-Man's not a mutant and everybody
[55:38] else is? Well, because he's not. I don't
[55:40] know. Like it just kind of like there's
[55:41] the X-Men and those characters and then
[55:43] there's the other people. And what makes
[55:45] the X-Men the X-Men is that they are not
[55:47] regarded as heroes like the other
[55:49] people. They are different. They are
[55:51] weird. They're freaks. They have strange
[55:53] powers and they're hairy and there's
[55:55] stuff coming out of their heads and you
[55:58] can't trust them. Whereas you can trust
[55:59] Captain America. So no, I wouldn't like
[56:00] that one though.
[56:02] >> I think a lot of them are going to get
[56:03] called mutants. I think the word mutant
[56:06] is going to be a word that like the DODC
[56:09] and all of the anti- super power people
[56:13] are are going to use. Like I think
[56:14] that's going to be a word we hear Jonah
[56:16] Jameson spewing on live TV like these
[56:19] damn
[56:19] >> we're about to hear the real government
[56:21] calling all of us mutants pretty soon.
[56:24] Like come on,
[56:24] >> right?
[56:26] >> I I just don't want that to be the
[56:27] actual definition of it. Like I think
[56:29] mutants are a very specific thing where
[56:30] you're born with this Xgene and etc etc
[56:33] etc. if they want [clears throat] to use
[56:34] it as like a scare tactic for the
[56:36] public, like you know, mutant loving
[56:39] collaborators, we have to arrest them
[56:40] all or whatever they're going to say.
[56:42] >> Well, not to get too in the weeds, but I
[56:43] I really like the idea of if Spider-Man
[56:48] didn't have a dormant mutant because,
[56:50] okay, with Kamala, what happened was she
[56:53] had the mutant X gene in in this in the
[56:55] end, and the Bengals have activated it.
[56:59] >> Wade Wilson had the mutant X gene. It
[57:01] was activated through severe trauma. I I
[57:04] think Bullseye went through severe
[57:05] trauma. He could have it. I could think
[57:07] an individual who got bit by a
[57:08] radioactive spider and didn't have a
[57:10] mutant exgene
[57:12] begin to tell you the level of [ __ ] no u
[57:15] that I associate with that. You've
[57:17] you've brought that take up to me
[57:18] before. No, Spider-Man's not a mutant.
[57:21] It's fundamentally two completely
[57:22] different things. It just is.
[57:25] >> You don't think they're going to have
[57:26] some sort of disagree.
[57:27] >> You don't think they're going to have
[57:28] >> They might. They might. And if they do
[57:30] that in the movie, Colton, I'll hate the
[57:31] movie. I just think it's a terrible,
[57:33] terrible, terrible idea. I think it's
[57:35] just Spider-Man's not a mutant. I don't
[57:37] know. It's weird the things that I'll
[57:38] put my foot down on. Like I'll watch all
[57:40] the unjustice happen in the world and be
[57:41] like, that seems unfortunate. But
[57:43] somebody brings up the idea of gay Jedi
[57:45] or Peter Parker being a mutant and I'm
[57:48] like, I will fight you for this
[57:50] [laughter] pie.
[57:51] >> Go ahead.
[57:52] >> I hope not.
[57:53] >> No, no, no. I I was just going to say I
[57:55] feel like they're gonna have a clean
[57:57] break, right? like after Secret Wars
[57:59] they're going to have some sort of thing
[58:00] like oh this universe is radiated
[58:03] differently so now the X gene exists and
[58:06] then we have mutants going forward maybe
[58:09] they'll retroactively turn some folks
[58:10] but I think mostly like they've been
[58:12] clearly clear X-M happens after Secret
[58:15] Wars that's when the mutant saga starts
[58:17] so that's when I think we're going to
[58:19] get like our inciting incident for
[58:21] whatever that status quo is
[58:23] >> I don't know man I agree with Colton
[58:24] though I think the mutant saga is going
[58:25] to start this July in brand new day. I
[58:28] think that they're going to start
[58:29] seeding all this stuff then. I just
[58:31] don't know why I I don't see how they
[58:33] can do that and also introduce like, oh,
[58:35] you know, you're Professor Xavier. I met
[58:37] a Professor Xavier once in the
[58:39] multiverse. That's interesting. I don't
[58:40] know. They got to wipe everybody's
[58:41] minds. Uh self-presence gave us five
[58:43] bucks and said they could have enemies
[58:45] on multiple fronts. The MLF, the
[58:46] government Xfactor or Freedom Force. And
[58:49] then uh then the people led by Striker
[58:51] Creed, Friends of Yeah, I love that.
[58:53] Like for the X-Men villains. I also
[58:55] think that in the Avengers movies,
[58:59] >> um, the villains have to be mutants. I
[59:01] think for the mutant saga, you have to
[59:03] have the Avengers going up against
[59:05] villainous mutants. Like,
[59:06] >> that's a great idea. I love that.
[59:09] >> Good one. I like that a lot.
[59:10] >> That feeds into this anti-mutant
[59:12] hysteria thing you're talking about
[59:13] where the government and everybody else
[59:15] are saying, "Look, these dangerous
[59:16] mutants." And it also builds up toward
[59:18] eventually Avengers versus X-Men. Oh,
[59:20] that's hot. That's good. [snorts]
[59:22] And finally, last super chat. You're
[59:25] welcome. Um, see, we're friends. We We
[59:28] can disagree. We've disag
[59:31] gave us five. Did I come off really
[59:33] strong there? Sorry, Colton if I was too
[59:34] argumentative. I really didn't like it.
[59:39] >> There's a weird energy in the podcast
[59:41] now. And I
[59:42] >> I found it to be too much. But
[59:45] >> I was a bit much, but you're always
[59:46] home. You're not even out in the
[59:47] universe at all. I can interact with
[59:49] you.
[59:49] >> I don't know.
[59:50] >> Alexander Wilson gave us five bucks and
[59:52] said, "Love and Thunder was the worst
[59:53] MCU movie and is unwatchable to me. That
[59:55] movie was truly awful. Hemsworth even
[59:57] talked bad about it. Yeah, it's on my
[60:00] list.
[60:00] >> I don't like it. I don't know if it's
[60:02] the worst.
[60:03] >> I don't know, man. Watch the goat
[60:04] compilation sometime on YouTube and try
[60:06] not to laugh. That is the funniest,
[60:08] stupidest joke. Those goats screaming
[60:10] constantly made me laugh every time. But
[60:13] >> I just think it's a waste of Gore the
[60:14] God Butcher.
[60:15] >> Sure.
[60:15] >> Yeah. I think it was a huge waste of
[60:17] Gore the God Butcher for sure.
[60:20] >> What did you like about uh Love and
[60:22] Thunder?
[60:24] >> Nothing. I didn't like that movie very
[60:26] much. I I like scene where Thor and the
[60:29] Guardians were fighting Fraggle Rock.
[60:31] That was it. [laughter]
[60:33] >> That was it. I was like, "I love Fraggle
[60:36] Rock. This is nice. What a nice cameo."
[60:37] And then that was my favorite part.
[60:39] >> My favorite part is when Thor is in the
[60:41] very obvious CG helmet and he goes,
[60:43] "Jane [laughter]
[60:46] >> yeah." Or the floating head of the kid.
[60:49] >> The floating head of the child. the most
[60:52] disturbing and unsettling use of CGI in
[60:56] a while that I've seen.
[60:57] >> What about when he fed his hammer a
[60:58] beer? [laughter]
[61:01] >> Oh, and you had Christian Bale as Gore
[61:04] the God Butcher, too. And it was all
[61:06] these great story lines, Jane Foster,
[61:08] Thor, and it just I don't know in terms
[61:10] of like disappointment, that is probably
[61:11] my biggest disappointment
[61:13] >> as Gore the god, but he did like an
[61:15] actual great job. And like the opening
[61:17] scene like where he's begging that god
[61:19] to help him and all that,
[61:20] >> you know, he could have been the next
[61:22] like Loki, like what Loki was for phase
[61:25] one, like he's in a Thor movie and then
[61:28] he's in the Avengers movie. You could
[61:30] have totally had Gore the Godbusher been
[61:32] the villain of whatever the that next
[61:34] Avengers movie would have been and he
[61:36] had Christian Bale. Why wouldn't you do
[61:37] it?
[61:38] >> Yeah, dude. You have Christian Bale.
[61:40] >> I would just recommend to anybody
[61:41] listening or watching, if you haven't
[61:43] read the Jason Aaron run on Thor, it's
[61:45] about 100 issues. It's just incredible.
[61:47] And if you read that, then you'll you'll
[61:49] dislike Love and Thunder even more. I
[61:51] feel like Taikoini just got too put too
[61:53] much of himself in it. There's too much
[61:54] Corg. Corg is great in Ragnarok and he
[61:58] just overwhelms the movie by joking
[62:01] about everything. Everything's a joke.
[62:03] There's no stakes and there are real
[62:06] stakes in that movie. They're going to
[62:07] kill all the gods. Jane has cancer. It's
[62:08] some real stuff that could have been
[62:10] more heady to balance off that humor.
[62:12] >> I I am struggling to think of a worse
[62:14] one.
[62:15] >> You know, I said I don't know if it's
[62:16] the worst one. I'm struggling to think
[62:18] of
[62:19] >> pretty bad.
[62:21] >> I really don't like it. I there's a lot
[62:22] of MCU movies other people like and I
[62:24] don't I don't like Captain Marvel very
[62:25] much. I don't like Deadpool and
[62:26] Wolverine, but I'd rather watch Deadpool
[62:28] and Wolverine than Love and Thunder.
[62:29] >> I would watch Deadpool and Wolverine
[62:31] over Love and Thunder any day of the
[62:32] week. And I was not a big Deadpool and
[62:34] Wolverine fan because that's the other
[62:36] thing that I didn't like that I wish
[62:37] that they didn't do is that I hate it so
[62:40] much when they come back in like a
[62:44] sequel of any kind, even if it's like
[62:46] the third one or whatever, and all of
[62:48] the resolution from the previous movie
[62:50] has just been erased off screen. I hate
[62:53] that more than anything. So, the fact
[62:55] that he and Vanessa were broken up after
[62:58] he went through all that, after all that
[63:01] they've been through, after he brought
[63:02] her back to life and they were planning
[63:04] on having a baby together, they just
[63:06] break up offcreen. I [ __ ] hate that
[63:08] so much. That's like my biggest pet
[63:10] peeve when movies do that. You want to
[63:12] know the most egregious version of that?
[63:13] Paul Blart Mop 2. Paul Blart Mop 2
[63:16] undoes all of the all of the learning
[63:19] and the growth that Paul Blart
[63:21] experienced in Paul Blart Mop 1. And
[63:23] like I [ __ ] hate it. So in Yeah, in
[63:25] my opinion, Wolverine and Paul Blart
[63:28] Mall 2 are on the same level of movie
[63:30] for me.
[63:31] >> I thought you were gonna say Alien. I
[63:33] thought you were gonna say Alien 3, but
[63:34] that's just me. Like when they killed at
[63:36] the beginning,
[63:37] >> they took Who played the It wasn't Anna
[63:40] Ferris, was it? For some reason, I
[63:41] thought it was. Who was
[63:42] >> No, you're thinking you're thinking of
[63:43] Observe and Report, which is a similar
[63:45] movie,
[63:46] >> right? No, no, no. But but I I do know
[63:49] which part.
[63:51] It's with Kevin.
[63:51] >> It's all part of the shared Mop
[63:53] universe. That's
[63:53] >> who's the actress that plays his love
[63:55] interest because they take her from
[63:58] being this really awesome sweet person
[64:01] and they just like completely turn her
[64:03] into this horrible character in the
[64:05] second one. The first Mop is so good.
[64:08] That second one is awful and just in the
[64:10] face of that first movie. Did they kill
[64:12] her the face of Paul Blart?
[64:13] >> They didn't kill her off. They had her
[64:15] divorce him. Like she like leaves him
[64:17] for someone.
[64:17] >> Yes. She leaves him at the beginning of
[64:20] two and she [ __ ] divorces him. And
[64:22] I'm like that undoes all of the progress
[64:24] of Paul Blart Mall cop one. This is
[64:26] [ __ ] up. This is [ __ ] up.
[64:28] >> Why did he defend the rainforest cafe if
[64:30] it was just going to end up like this? I
[64:31] hate it.
[64:32] >> And do not get me started on Land Before
[64:34] Time 4: Journey Through the Mist. That
[64:36] movie in particular funded so much
[64:39] progress that was earned through LOOT 1
[64:42] through3. Am I right, guys? We got to
[64:45] end it there. I have to go see
[64:46] Disclosure D. [laughter] I didn't
[64:47] realize what time it was.
[64:48] >> Oh [ __ ] It's 3:00. You got to go. You
[64:50] literally have to go. Uh, we just have a
[64:52] couple more super chats. We'll get to I
[64:54] guess I should take Colton off here.
[64:55] [laughter]
[64:56] >> Yeah,
[64:57] >> a couple more super chats. Road Running
[64:58] gave us two pounds $2 and said, "What
[65:00] makes CGI so expensive? Always been
[65:02] curious." It's actually design. It's
[65:04] It's bringing all the monsters and and
[65:07] dragons and things in from other
[65:08] universes and putting them up and
[65:10] filming them. And it's the magic that's
[65:11] involved like the spirit.
[65:13] >> Yeah, dude. It's really the airfare for
[65:15] dragons is like so expensive these days.
[65:17] It's like a lot.
[65:19] >> Yeah. The large planes. The larger
[65:21] planes do.
[65:22] >> Yeah. No, you have to get like a much
[65:23] larger plane because you'd think that
[65:24] they would just fly themselves, but no,
[65:26] they all want PJs. Disgusting.
[65:28] >> And also, I should we should have
[65:30] mentioned this at the start. A lot of
[65:31] fairy dust was shipped to the straight
[65:33] of Hormuz.
[65:34] >> So, because of that, the price is like
[65:36] astronomical right now, right? And
[65:38] Darien Thompson, friend of the channel,
[65:39] gave us five bucks and says Spider-Man
[65:41] doesn't need cameos. This is a great
[65:42] take. Captain America should have had at
[65:44] least uh should have had at Captain
[65:47] America should have had at least called
[65:50] Ant-Man. I don't know what that means.
[65:51] Give him someone to lead. Oh, Captain
[65:53] America movie should have had Ant-Man in
[65:54] the film. U also I need more content for
[65:57] Whitney. I agree. So, I I think what the
[66:00] point there is that Spider-Man's in the
[66:01] MCU and Sony wants to take advantage of
[66:03] that by putting Doctor Strange or all
[66:06] these Nick Fury and all these other MCU
[66:08] characters in the film. I think as long
[66:10] as the rights are owned by Sony, that's
[66:11] never going to change. I think he'll
[66:13] always have an MCU character appearing
[66:14] in his films.
[66:15] >> Yeah.
[66:16] >> Yeah. I think the problem that people
[66:18] point out is it constantly being a
[66:20] mentor for him, which I don't know if
[66:22] that's going to change this movie. It
[66:24] seems like maybe not with Bruce Banner
[66:26] necessarily but
[66:27] >> you know, I I like having Spider-Man in
[66:30] a shared world. That was the giddy joy
[66:32] [clears throat] of having him join the
[66:34] MCU. So, having him literally and
[66:37] figuratively swing around and see all
[66:39] these other characters is great. But the
[66:41] issue is making them be like these
[66:44] bearded guys who need to teach Peter
[66:46] Parker lessons versus him having his own
[66:49] story.
[66:51] >> And hopefully Brand New Day doesn't do
[66:52] that. And we got to call it there. Uh
[66:53] Whitney, you can find Whitney on the
[66:55] channel Whitney Vision covering Rick and
[66:56] Morty right now. Tons of animation.
[66:58] Thanks Whitney. It's always great having
[67:00] you on.
[67:01] >> Thank you. See you guys later. Bye.
[67:02] >> See you later. Bye. And Alex Alvin. You
[67:04] can find him on the Comic Book Club
[67:06] podcast which is linked down below.
[67:07] Thanks Alex.
[67:08] >> Thank you. Thanks for having me on.
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