[0:00] five years ago Game of Thrones ended [0:02] Game of Thrones ended 5 years ago that [0:05] all of that was half a decade ago we as [0:08] a society have not recovered and I don't [0:10] just mean that we haven't recovered from [0:11] the ending being bad although I [0:13] personally will never recover what I [0:15] mean is that we are still culturally in [0:18] the shadow of the show or at least [0:20] that's what every major streaming [0:21] service and TV channel has been betting [0:23] on as the show approached its conclusion [0:25] a bevy of Articles materialized asking [0:27] what will the next Game of Thrones be [0:29] well shows that are trying to be the [0:31] next Game of Thrones the next Game of [0:33] Thrones a post ComiCon appraisal of [0:35] potential heirs to the throne what's the [0:37] next Game of Thrones all the contenders [0:39] for Fantasy TV's Crown these 16 shows [0:42] desperately want to be the next Game of [0:44] Thrones everyone wants to be the next [0:46] Game of Thrones what exactly it means to [0:48] be the next Game of Thrones was a bit of [0:49] a fill-in-the blank did it mean to be [0:51] the next show that got a big audience or [0:53] one that fans obsessed over and analyzed [0:56] or did it just mean a successful fantasy [0:58] series or a show about political intrig [1:00] for the executives at media companies it [1:03] seems to have meant adapt any fantasy or [1:05] sci-fi property we have the rights to as [1:07] quickly as possible but make it as much [1:09] like Game of Thrones as we can get away [1:11] with HBO made Game of Thrones in a cave [1:13] and we are going to replicate it if it [1:15] bankrupts us now 5 years later our media [1:18] landscape is absolutely drowning in [1:21] Thrones clones [1:22] [Applause] [1:36] hey [1:38] fire I wanted to talk about um how [1:42] desperately we all of us need to keep [1:45] reading um you can't think at all [1:49] clearly or well without memory and it [1:52] matters a great deal what you remember [1:55] when thinking about artistic influence [1:57] it is impossible not to be influenced by [2:00] literary critic and legendary Krogan [2:02] Harold Bloom who wrote the anxiety of [2:04] influence the book is focused singularly [2:06] on poetry but I'm going to use it to [2:08] talk about art more broadly in the book [2:10] Bloom proposes that there is really no [2:12] such thing as an original poem and that [2:13] all poetry is in one way or another a [2:16] reaction to other poems artists [2:19] experience this as anxiety as they're in [2:21] a paradoxical situation you can't [2:23] improve as a poet without reading the [2:25] Poetry of those who came before you but [2:27] the moment you allow the voices of the [2:29] Masters into your mind they can warp [2:31] what is essential about you and you find [2:33] yourself filtering your thoughts through [2:36] the imagined thoughts of these other [2:38] poets how do you write a play that [2:40] doesn't sound like Shakespeare in the [2:41] 17th century or how do you write a video [2:43] essay that doesn't sound like every [2:44] frame of painting in 2015 really how how [2:47] do you tell me how for Bloom the answer [2:50] is that it is ultimately impossible but [2:52] the struggle to overcome this anxiety [2:54] can be fruitful and is the primary way [2:56] that strong poets Define themselves as [2:59] strong while weaker poets languish in [3:01] creating art that is merely derivative [3:03] the strong poet can synthesize what came [3:05] before and transcend it Bloom describes [3:07] the relationship between the modern [3:09] artist the influenced and his precursor [3:12] the [3:12] influencer in both biblical and Freudian [3:15] terms in his biblical metaphor when [3:17] reading the work of the precursor an [3:19] artist glimpses heaven so to speak and [3:21] is also at that moment cast out from it [3:24] like Satan and thrown into hell but it [3:26] is there that Satan now independent of [3:28] God can at least attempt to make a [3:30] heaven Out of Hell make art that has the [3:33] spark of the Divine but really he's much [3:35] more obsessed with the Freudian stuff so [3:36] we're going to focus on that a little [3:38] more in Freudian terms the precursor [3:40] artist is the father with which the [3:42] modern artist has an edible relationship [3:44] with owing his existence to the father [3:46] and yet being jealous of the father's [3:47] position of authority and power so in [3:49] art one must kill one's [3:56] father Bloom's answer for how a writer [3:58] achieves this is by being a bad reader [4:02] I'm being a little phous but the idea is [4:04] that the artist must somehow [4:06] misinterpret the work of the predecessor [4:07] because if it was possible to perfectly [4:09] understand the predecessor's work then [4:11] you would get trapped in the swamp of [4:13] merely reproducing that work but in [4:15] misunderstanding misreading or in [4:18] Bloom's jargon Mis prison can kind of [4:20] think of it as mislabeling you arrive at [4:22] something that is an original [4:24] perspective on the precursor the artist [4:26] can then use that misunderstanding as [4:28] the Genesis for the their own work and I [4:30] think that this is an important thing to [4:32] talk about because I think there's a lot [4:33] of people out there and multinational [4:35] corporations that want to make something [4:37] new but they don't know how to look [4:40] beyond their influences and they're [4:43] struggling with that and that's [4:45] something that I feel as well so I think [4:47] that you know we're talking about [4:49] Thrones clones in this episode but we're [4:51] you know also trying to work through [4:52] this let's let's work through it [4:54] together Bloom proposes that there are [4:56] at least six ways that artists can do [4:58] this or have done this that can lead to [5:00] great art so yeah if Harold bloom had [5:02] been writing during the BuzzFeed era the [5:04] book would have been called six reasons [5:06] you're a [5:10] hack you can feel the Game of Thrones [5:12] influence in some of these shows before [5:13] they even begin it's right here in the [5:16] opening themes Wheel of Time the rings [5:18] of power foundation and even Shogun All [5:20] Copy the basic idea of Game of Thrones [5:22] intro with close-ups on CGI images that [5:24] are some kind of toy or piece of art [5:26] that is slowly building itself [5:28] throughout the course of the intro only [5:30] to pull back at the end to reveal the [5:32] full image but while these shows ape the [5:34] Aesthetics of Thrones they don't copy [5:36] its utility an underrated aspect for why [5:38] Game of Thrones achieved widespread [5:40] success despite being an extremely [5:42] complicated story is because of this [5:44] opening which oriented viewers in a [5:45] world and gave them a sense of where [5:47] everything was in relation to one [5:48] another many of these fantasy [5:50] adaptations are in desperate need of [5:52] some way to show a freaking map to the [5:54] viewer rather than making me Google it [5:56] in season 2 of The Wheel of Time parin [5:58] travels across a desert with three women [6:00] who are from a desert but not this [6:03] desert they're from this desert a piece [6:04] of World building the show does not want [6:06] to draw attention to in which casual [6:08] viewers will never Gro you know unless [6:10] they click on the explore tab in the [6:11] browser and go through the reams of Wiki [6:13] articles Amazon is so eager to show you [6:15] that the website defaults to this tab [6:17] rather than taking you directly to the [6:19] episodes like every other streaming [6:20] service how dare you Bezos just show me [6:23] the episodes and put a map in the show [6:25] it's okay HBO does not own the concept [6:27] of maps if you're going to copy [6:29] everything else just show me where the [6:30] AIL waste is nobody knows where anything [6:34] is the first type of misreading is what [6:36] Harold Bloom [6:38] calls look I'm going to try and avoid [6:40] Bloom's fancy Latin names for all this [6:42] stuff let's just call it the swerve to [6:44] Swerve is to accept the greatness of a [6:47] precursor poet only up to a point to [6:50] recreate or recapture some sence of what [6:53] exists in a great work of art but to [6:55] then suggest that it goes wrong [6:56] somewhere and to remedy this fault with [6:58] your own work this is is like a central [7:00] idea for him like all of the six [7:02] readings kind of involve this one any [7:04] reading of any text is a swerve of some [7:06] kind it is baked into the process of [7:08] interpretation extrapolating on that [7:10] misreading is to Swerve into some new [7:13] Direction you read X poem it gives you y [7:15] idea so you write Zed poem and if you [7:18] carry the one and multiply by pi you [7:20] won't be a disappointment to your family [7:22] Bloom tracks these kinds of revisions [7:24] through the history of romantic poetry [7:26] but given this episode is on fantasy [7:28] epics an example jumps to mind The Wheel [7:30] of Time often accused of replicating The [7:32] Lord of the Rings but anyone familiar [7:34] with the work will know that this is [7:35] only true up until a point that Robert [7:37] Jordan deliberately evoked the early [7:39] parts of the Fellowship of the Ring [7:41] before sending his Heroes on a very [7:42] different Adventure the two rivers is [7:45] like the shy a pastoral Paradise [7:47] isolated from the concerns of Kingdoms [7:49] and cities a dark lord has forces called [7:51] trxs a combination of two regular foes [7:53] in Middle Earth trolls and Orcs And A [7:56] number of beings called Fades which [7:57] resemble the nasgul the heroes receed [7:59] with the help of a wise magic user and [8:01] each escaped many dangers including a [8:03] daring River Crossing humans aligned [8:05] with the dark lord in a gritty town and [8:07] a battle with dark Forces in the ruins [8:09] of a Fallen Kingdom these early [8:11] references to tolken helped many readers [8:13] get on board with Jordan's story but [8:15] Jordan then swerves away from that [8:17] outline into a story with very different [8:20] contradictory [8:21] themes when your king receives those [8:25] plans he will redirect his forces to [8:27] your borders [8:30] and rally the support of the other [8:32] nations the water tribes and the air [8:35] Nomads and the entire world will turn [8:38] their attention to the Earth Benders so [8:41] for us it was about striking that right [8:43] balance of making sure you were true to [8:45] the DNA of the original but at the same [8:47] time we had to make it a serialized [8:48] Netflix drama which meant it couldn't [8:50] just be for kids it had to also appeal [8:52] to the people who were big fans of Game [8:53] of Thrones and so it had to feel [8:55] grounded and mature and adult in that [8:57] way too that's a quote from Albert Kim [8:59] the show showrunner of the new Netflix [9:00] adaptation of avatar The Last Airbender [9:03] and what struck me immediately about it [9:04] was how imperative it sounded it had to [9:07] appeal not we tried to appeal or we [9:09] wanted to appeal but had like this was [9:12] an algorithmic dictat make this show [9:14] like Game of Thrones or it doesn't get [9:16] made whether or not that was the case [9:18] behind the scenes I have no idea but the [9:20] influence is clear on the screen right [9:22] from the beginning of the show which [9:23] starts not with an introduction to our [9:25] main characters like the original [9:26] Nickelodeon cartoon did but with an [9:28] introduction to the politics of the [9:30] story we learn that the fire nation's [9:32] attack on the Aromas was actually [9:33] achieved by cleverly tricking the world [9:35] into thinking they were going to attack [9:37] the Earth Nation instead how little [9:39] finger of You by the time the two lead [9:41] characters qara and Ang are actually [9:43] able to talk to one another we've had 25 [9:45] minutes of Throne Room scenes small [9:48] Council scenes and a public assembly [9:50] political Intrigue was pushed to the [9:51] Forefront of the story before any other [9:53] element this comes at the expense of the [9:55] more childlike humor and Whimsy of the [9:57] original show the running time for the [9:58] season is about as long as the season [10:00] which it is adapting but there are [10:02] dozens of plot lines which it does not [10:04] adapt but rather than simply eliminate [10:06] what it considers tonally unnecessary [10:08] for the new vision of the show it adds a [10:10] whole bunch of political Intrigue plot [10:12] lines there's a whole subplot in the [10:13] Fire Nation involving the fire lord and [10:15] aula and reveal in the final episode [10:17] that season bad guy Xiao has secretly [10:20] been working directly for aula to thwart [10:22] Zuko on top of that there's also a [10:24] tendency in the plotting to have the [10:26] kids seek the adults for help which [10:29] which is something children's literature [10:31] is well advised to avoid like when they [10:33] first find Ang they go to their Grandma [10:35] for help and when they arrive on Kyoshi [10:37] Island they go to the leader of the [10:38] village for help typically the child [10:40] protagonists of an adventure story [10:42] including the ones in the original show [10:44] are trying to get out from under the [10:46] control of corrupt or incompetent adult [10:48] characters that they get to exercise [10:50] their own agency is the whole purpose of [10:52] the adventure in those stories there is [10:54] a substantive difference between being a [10:56] kid and being an adult there is not in [10:58] the 24 show and could be 10 or 20 or 50 [11:02] doesn't really matter he's made to act [11:03] as just another part of the political [11:05] landscape of this world rather than a [11:07] disruptive Force that's going its own [11:09] way Amazon's billion- dooll tax write [11:11] off the rings of power is similarly [11:12] crude in its attempt to inject the [11:14] spirit of George RR Martin into the [11:16] corpse of JRR tolken they have a bit [11:18] more leeway to do whatever they want [11:19] than some of these other shows as unlike [11:21] them the rings of power was not directly [11:23] adapting a story that was fully fleshed [11:25] out in another medium but is instead [11:27] stringing together and padding out [11:29] anciliary material that they had the [11:31] rights to kind of while edging right up [11:33] to the line of the stuff that they [11:35] didn't have the rights to It's [11:36] Complicated political Intrigue is [11:38] something that while present in The Lord [11:40] of the Rings wasn't exactly at the [11:42] Forefront yes the characters visit the [11:44] kings and queens of various Realms but [11:46] the axis of the conflict is much simpler [11:48] than in Game of Thrones there is good [11:51] and evil as real tangible forces in that [11:54] world and so when you visit a kingdom [11:56] that is in danger it's in danger because [11:58] the king is being corrupted by some evil [12:00] magic and not because of a [12:01] three-dimensional chess game between his [12:03] advisers so while it isn't completely [12:05] alien to have a political Intrigue [12:07] plotline in a Middle Earth Story the [12:09] kind of intrigue was very specific and [12:11] not particularly compatible with the [12:13] sensibilities of Game of Thrones yet [12:15] over the course of the Show's first [12:16] season there are an overabundance of [12:19] scenes of The Elven King scheming to [12:21] have gadriel sent away to valanor [12:23] because her endless search for Sauron [12:24] has fallen out of favor with the court [12:26] or the jocking for power of those in the [12:28] court of numor or the fatherson [12:30] relationship in the royal family of the [12:32] dwarves over how their people should [12:33] treat the elves and on and on and on and [12:36] what is deemphasized is often just as [12:37] revealing as what is emphasized despite [12:39] the rings of power being in the title of [12:41] the show their creation is entirely [12:43] secondary to the origin story of a [12:45] volcano erupting and yet that story [12:47] where Sauron infiltrates The Elves and [12:49] slowly corrupts them and forges the ring [12:51] takes up a mere 20 minutes in the final [12:53] episode but it's the exact kind of Tolen [12:57] in political intrigue that is completely [13:00] natural in this universe plot lines [13:02] focused on political Intrigue are a [13:03] little more at home in a series like [13:05] Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time which [13:07] is also being adapted by Amazon but [13:09] coming out in the shadow of Game of [13:11] Thrones has influenced just how much [13:13] attention that part of the story has [13:15] received the wheel of time if you don't [13:17] know is the story of three peasant boys [13:19] who are whisked away from their simple [13:20] rural town and into a grand Continental [13:22] Adventure that forces them to become [13:24] Heroes of Destiny fighting against an [13:26] all powerful Dark Lord that description [13:28] might give you the the impression that [13:29] this is a pretty generic fantasy series [13:32] and you would be right The Wheel of Time [13:35] embodies all of the classic tropes of [13:37] the genre it defines them what that [13:40] basic premise might also inform you of [13:42] is that there is a limit to how [13:43] interesting or complicated the political [13:45] Intrigue can get in a story like this [13:47] The Wheel of Time is a story where the [13:49] opposite team are the dark friends who [13:50] support the dark lord it's binary the [13:52] real conflict lays in figuring out who [13:54] is secretly supporting the dark lord one [13:56] of the primary locations for The Wheel [13:58] of Time is is the White Tower where all [14:00] of these sorceresses live and constantly [14:02] Feud and bicker with one another and [14:04] it's a place that the show treats as if [14:05] it is their King's Landing this is where [14:07] the political jockeying happens where [14:09] many characters are investigating a [14:11] number of different Mysteries and where [14:13] you might walk in on someone having a [14:15] threesome what you don't get that much [14:16] of though is people learning how to do [14:18] magic You know despite the fact that [14:19] this is also you know a magic school [14:22] pretend that the show came out in 2011 [14:24] and it would have treated this location [14:25] as if it was their Hogwarts shown us as [14:27] many fun classes of magic as as possible [14:29] focused on the students bonding with one [14:31] another and it would have done [14:32] everything in its power to deemphasize [14:34] the politics a while back I released a [14:36] big long video about the first season of [14:38] foundation Apple's attempt that of [14:39] Thrones clone the show adapts Isaac [14:41] azoff's science fiction novels and one [14:43] of the reasons this video exist is that [14:45] I wanted to make another video on the [14:47] second season which I found to be an [14:48] overall Improvement on the first but I [14:50] found myself Limited in just talking [14:52] about it in isolation it didn't fall out [14:54] of a coconut tree I have however shared [14:56] my full thoughts on that over on my [14:58] patreon so if you want to support the [15:00] show and get some extra content you can [15:02] go to patreon.com justr Just Sayan the [15:05] foundation novel series is myopically [15:07] focused on the political relationship [15:09] between the fledgling Foundation at the [15:11] edge of the Galaxy and the crumbling but [15:13] still powerful Galactic Empire so scenes [15:16] like game of thrones-esque intrigue are [15:17] built into the premise and not out of [15:19] the ordinary here what is uncanny though [15:21] is how precisely the feel of Game of [15:23] Thrones is recreated here I am Ru en [15:27] Joiner to the queen allow me to present [15:30] the doen of the trade leagues Prime [15:33] witness of the CLA Cathedral and most [15:36] excellent Queen sarth I first sole [15:40] descendant of dominion the problem that [15:41] show faces to a degree is that it is [15:44] virtually impossible for a television [15:46] show to replicate the scale of the World [15:48] building that Game of Thrones had which [15:50] benefited from 20 years of George R [15:52] Martin flushing out every nook and [15:53] cranny of Westeros with literally [15:55] hundreds of Royal houses and characters [15:57] Foundation had relatively light World [16:00] building setting up planets and peoples [16:02] for the purposes of one story and then [16:04] we never really hear about them again [16:06] the TV series does an admiral job of [16:08] creating new factions within the empire [16:10] for the Emperors to bounce off of but [16:12] all of this serves to create the [16:13] atmosphere of a Game of Thrones without [16:15] the depth of that [16:16] conflict Bloom's second form of revision [16:19] is a kind of denial the modern poet [16:22] denies the quality of the precursor poem [16:24] suggesting that there is some great flaw [16:26] buried within the work and that it is [16:27] misfired in some way let me correct your [16:29] aim the new poet says this Bloom calls [16:32] completion and antithesis a poet [16:34] antithetically completes his precursor [16:36] by So reading the parent poem as to [16:38] retain its terms but to mean them in [16:40] another sense as though the precursor [16:42] had failed to go far enough in his [16:44] pursuit of understanding the logic of [16:45] Dreams Sigman Frey proposed a theory [16:47] about language drawing on the study of [16:50] Egyptian by philologist Carl Abel who [16:52] wrote that in the Egyptian language [16:54] there are a fair number of words with [16:56] two meanings one of which is the exact [16:58] opposite of the other Freud seized on [17:01] this idea to develop the concept that [17:03] perhaps there were Primal words words [17:05] containing opposing meanings in other [17:07] languages and that these older words are [17:09] the more correct way to interpret dreams [17:11] was Freud right about the existence of [17:14] these Primal words no probably not but [17:17] as is so often the case with him he's [17:19] wrong in an interesting way and then [17:20] literary critics take his ideas and make [17:22] them part of their thinking so then you [17:24] have to go through the whole thing again [17:26] Bloom found worth in the concept by [17:27] saying a poet could metaphorically seek [17:29] out the Primal word at the root of the [17:31] precursor poem because then you could [17:33] discover its antithesis and produce the [17:36] negative form of that poem SL Primal [17:38] word that way you can make something [17:40] just as great even if it's saying the [17:42] opposite thing this often means [17:43] exploring what is taboo I think Tess [17:46] antithesis is a way to understand the [17:48] emergence and appeal of grim Dark [17:50] Fantasy Grim dark is a subgenre of [17:52] fantasy in works like Game of Thrones [17:54] which Adam Roberts called an anti- [17:56] tolken genre in contrast to the more [17:58] ideal real istic and romanticized [18:00] worldview of The Lord of the Rings Grim [18:02] Dark Fantasy is more cynical and [18:03] nihilistic it is also much much more [18:07] violent and the violence has a [18:08] transgressive element to it taking [18:10] something the audience recognizes and [18:12] injecting it with some [18:16] more perhaps the area where the [18:18] influence of Game of Thrones has [18:19] affected the rest of these fantasy [18:20] habitations the most and often to their [18:22] detriment is in their tone their [18:25] adoption of the Grim dark worldview [18:27] though author Robert Jordan did [18:28] originally consider writing The Wheel of [18:30] Time as a more brutal and violent Story [18:32] the direction he ultimately took his [18:34] book series was in a decidedly more PG13 [18:37] way there is violence in his stories but [18:39] it is often delivered in a more poetic [18:41] or ambiguous way rather than focusing on [18:43] the blood and gore of it all Rand the [18:45] protagonist learns different fighting [18:47] Maneuvers and he will often just list [18:49] them during a fight scene and it's up to [18:50] the reader to interpret how they want [18:52] the cat on hot sand or the king fisher [18:54] takes a silver back to look the TV show [18:57] on the other hand [18:59] [Applause] [19:05] our brutal bloody fights in the show all [19:07] captured in gruesome detail right from [19:09] the pilot episode comic relief character [19:11] Tom Marilyn who is supposed to be a [19:13] jolly Bard is omitted from the early [19:15] episodes of the show which makes all of [19:17] the events of the first few episodes [19:18] that much darker and when the characters [19:20] do sing a song to one another it is [19:21] Solemn and sad rather than an island of [19:24] joy and hope that Tom usually brought to [19:25] the story The Character does appear [19:27] later in the story in a a truncated way [19:29] but even still is made darker and edgier [19:32] and more aggressive than his book [19:33] counterpart his boots have Spurs he's a [19:36] cool Clint Eastwood cowboy guy Tom's [19:39] absence might not have been so keenly [19:40] felt to the show not also felt the need [19:42] to give parents character an even darker [19:44] Edge as he is suffering under a cloud of [19:46] guilt for the entirety of the first [19:48] season because he accidentally killed [19:50] his wife in the first battle an event [19:52] that is an invention of the show [19:53] everyone is mopy but parin is extra mopy [19:57] this is an adult show it's not for kids [19:59] it's [ __ ] adult the show adapts the [20:02] plotline of a Gwen being captured by the [20:04] Shan Chan in the second season where [20:05] she's forced to wear a magic collar that [20:07] essentially turns her into a [20:09] mind-controlled slave you can bet that [20:11] the Amazon show would turn this [20:12] relatively small subplot into a [20:15] multi-episode torture porn set piece [20:17] that evokes Theon being tortured by [20:19] Ramsay but whereas theon's torture [20:21] completely defined that character for [20:22] the rest of Game of Thrones in The Wheel [20:24] of Time Books awen and the other female [20:26] characters subjected to the magic collar [20:28] are right back to adventuring which is [20:30] an element of the story that I think is [20:31] open for some criticism and some [20:33] Revision in an adaptation I'm not [20:35] critiquing the fact that they did this [20:37] but more just highlighting that it was [20:39] done I don't know how Amazon will [20:40] characterize awen in future Seasons but [20:42] it will certainly be harder for them to [20:44] make this plot line have as much [20:45] consequence as the Ramsey plot line did [20:47] on Theon because that isn't what's in [20:49] the source material which means they'll [20:50] have to do a lot more work to make it [20:52] fit with the rest of the plot lines so [20:54] with Bloom's first two strategies the [20:56] poet is seeking to Grapple with the [20:57] precursor but is still adopting their [21:00] forms in Bloom's third type of influence [21:02] the poet attempts to break away from [21:04] that which came before Bloom argues that [21:06] in their struggles to overcome their [21:08] precursors poets feel something akin to [21:10] Freud's conception of The Uncanny [21:12] something repressed which recurs for the [21:14] poet the fear of repetition of merely [21:17] copying what has come before can be [21:19] uncanny and Inspire them to end this [21:21] compulsion like suppressing a nervous [21:23] tick which cannot fully be erased the [21:26] important words there were recurs rep [21:28] ition compulsion in storytelling those [21:31] are tropes and it's those tropes that [21:33] the newcoming poet wants to break for an [21:35] example of this when describing the [21:36] ideas behind his work George R Martin [21:38] said the war that tolken wrote was a war [21:41] for the fate of civilization and the [21:43] future of humanity and that's become the [21:44] template I'm not sure that it's a good [21:46] template though the tolken model LED [21:48] generations of fantasy writers to [21:49] produce these endless series of dark [21:51] Lords and their evil minions were all [21:53] very ugly and wore black clothes but the [21:55] vast majority of Wars throughout history [21:57] are not like that Martin recognized a [21:59] Trope in the genre and found a way to [22:01] break that compulsive repetition [22:03] creating something new in the process a [22:06] key part of why the battle for power [22:08] Works in a song in ice and fire is [22:10] because of its structure with each [22:11] chapter focusing on a different [22:13] character and with characters on every [22:15] side of a conflict while the Starks are [22:16] the characters you generally root for [22:18] they aren't the only characters that [22:19] have the audience's sympathies even and [22:21] especially when the characters aren't [22:23] virtuous we understand them and want to [22:25] see them survive our conflicting [22:27] loyalties make makes the wars compelling [22:29] as we don't know who is going to make it [22:32] out of each of the conflicts this [22:33] structure is almost perfectly designed [22:35] for Television TV shows Thrive by having [22:38] a plots and B plots and CDE plots each [22:40] playing in Tandem and cross cutting [22:42] between them keeping the audience [22:43] engaged in at least one of the stories [22:45] increasing the chances that they'll keep [22:47] watching Game of Thrones did not need [22:49] much structural adjustment to fit in the [22:51] mold of an HBO drama Thrones clones on [22:54] the other hand have attempted to inject [22:56] the structure into stories that weren't [22:58] built for them or in ways that don't [23:00] understand why this worked for Game of [23:01] Thrones in the first place for instance [23:03] the first season of the most expensive [23:05] show ever made follows four concurrent [23:06] plot lines galadriel's initial mission [23:08] to find the dark lord Sauron gets [23:10] diverted to numor elron goes on a [23:12] diplomatic mission to the Dwarven [23:14] kingdoms the people of the Southlands [23:15] struggle to Stave off an orc Invasion a [23:17] stateless wizard is discovered by a [23:19] group of halflings and discovers that he [23:21] is good I'm [23:25] good the structure is strange for a [23:27] story so Keen to remind its viewers that [23:29] it is a prequel to The Other Middle [23:30] Earth stories like while the Lord of the [23:32] Rings did eventually have a story that [23:34] branched off into several other plot [23:35] lines it began solely with The Hobbit [23:38] characters and got the audience to see [23:39] the big magical world through their tiny [23:42] innocent eyes A Game of Thrones also did [23:44] this setting most of its first 10 [23:45] chapters in Winterfell but as is the [23:47] case with these shows replicating the [23:49] scale of late stage Thrones they also [23:51] copy the structure of a late Stage [23:53] episode without the structural [23:55] Foundation that got us there other than [23:57] the flimsy connection of the characters [23:59] all seeing the same meteorite the viewer [24:00] has little reason to understand why the [24:02] Southland story is important to what [24:04] Elon is up to or how the halflings [24:06] marching through a forest connects to [24:08] gadriel at Sea they simply cut to a [24:10] different story and expect the audience [24:12] to trust that it'll all connect and this [24:14] whole big weird structure doesn't reap [24:17] the benefits that Thrones did by having [24:19] the audience question their own rooting [24:21] interests a major reason for George R [24:22] Martin to tell his story the way that he [24:24] did was to break the simple good versus [24:26] evil binary that exists in a lot of f [24:28] stories and to have us empathize with [24:30] characters on every side of a conflict [24:31] rings of power has four stories about [24:33] four generically heroic characters who [24:35] are never in any real conflict with one [24:37] another The Witcher is an adaptation of [24:39] the fantasy series The Witcher by polish [24:41] writer Andre sekowski and while it [24:43] definitely already shares a lot of the [24:45] same DNA as Game of Thrones as they're [24:47] both Grim darks and have plenty of [24:49] political scheming The Witcher show [24:51] leans into those similarities rather [24:53] than highlighting what is different [24:54] about them for instance The Witcher is [24:56] essentially a hard Boral detective story [24:58] plopped into a fantasy setting in each [25:00] short story geralt is confronted with [25:01] some sort of mystery involving some kind [25:03] of magic or Monster spends the story [25:06] investigating the clues interviewing [25:08] suspects and eventually unmasking or [25:10] fighting whatever evil force exists in [25:12] the story from that description you [25:13] might conclude that The Witcher series [25:14] ought to be a police procedural you know [25:16] a 22 episode season with sand alone [25:18] stories where the main focus is on [25:20] solving a mystery we're in the wrong era [25:22] for that though instead the first season [25:24] of The Witcher is Eight Episodes long [25:26] each 1 hour and cuts between three [25:27] different stories the main gimmick of [25:29] the first season is that the three [25:30] stories following geralt Siri and [25:32] yennefer respectively are all happening [25:34] at different times and it isn't until [25:35] the final episode that they're all [25:37] brought into the same moment this [25:39] creates a weird tonal pacing issue where [25:43] the geralt plot line is adapting those [25:45] police procedural esque Standalone [25:47] stories from the first pair of books [25:49] while the Siri and yennefer story lines [25:51] are serialized Prestige TV type plot [25:55] lines to the show's credit sometimes [25:57] these stories are the ially linked like [25:59] this episode which crosscuts between [26:01] geralt battling arriga which is actually [26:03] a girl that has been transformed into an [26:05] evil creature and yennefer who was [26:07] undergoing her own transformation or [26:09] this episode where both plot lines are [26:11] dealing with some sort of secret Shape [26:12] Shifter other times though the various [26:14] stories hinder one another the pilot [26:16] episode adapts the short story the [26:18] Lesser evil which sees geralt weighing [26:19] the value of two lives against one [26:21] another two people who are each asking [26:23] him to kill the other and it's up to him [26:25] to see through each of their lies and [26:27] figure out what the Lesser evil is this [26:29] climax is with geralt getting into a [26:31] brawl in the middle of town that turns [26:33] into a massacre for which he will [26:35] forever be known as The Butcher of [26:37] blavin but interrupting that plotline is [26:39] the Battle of cintra where we watch a [26:41] gruesome Battlefield Clash the [26:43] destruction of an entire castle and the [26:45] mass suicide of the whole ruling class [26:47] of the country by the time you get to [26:49] geralt murdering 12 people in a [26:51] courtyard it feels quaint geralt's big [26:53] dilemma is made small by the scale of [26:55] what's happening between the cuts hey [26:58] there's a pun now I do understand the [27:00] logic behind structuring the season this [27:01] way from a capitalist perspective The [27:03] Witcher is a popular book series but it [27:05] is a mega popular game series and in the [27:08] games yennifer and Siri are just as [27:10] popular as geralt himself and I can [27:11] imagine the frustration a lot of people [27:13] would have had if they turned on The [27:15] Witcher show and it didn't have Siri in [27:16] it for like two seasons so that's an [27:19] influence on these decisions that has [27:20] nothing to do with Game of Thrones at [27:22] the same time the sense I get from the [27:23] show is this desire to speed through the [27:25] short stories as quickly as possible so [27:27] that they can get to the big important [27:29] stuff you know of Siri being the chosen [27:31] one etc etc and in the process the show [27:34] loses a lot of the color and humor that [27:36] these stories possessed in favor of a [27:38] more consistently depressing Grim dark [27:41] tone for instance one of my favorite [27:42] stories in the collection is the eternal [27:45] flame in that story geralt and dandelion [27:47] are helping a halfling merchant who was [27:49] assaulted on the road by a Doppler a [27:51] shape shifter who stole his identity and [27:53] his horses which he then sold the [27:54] Doppler then uses that money to buy a [27:56] bunch of seemingly worthless products s [27:58] and the merchant thinks that his [27:59] business and reputation have been ruined [28:01] but then they slowly realize that [28:03] everything the Doppler bought was soon [28:04] to Skyrocket in value because of some [28:07] geopolitical shift that nobody else knew [28:09] about you know there was a coup over [28:10] here and it caused the price of so and [28:12] so to jump but now rather than being [28:14] broke he's Rich it's probably the [28:16] funniest of The Witcher stories and it's [28:17] pretty low stakes fun it's also one of [28:19] the only short stories that wasn't [28:21] adapted at all in the Netflix series [28:22] they did however include the Doppler [28:24] character himself but rather than being [28:26] a mischievous little Scamp he's a [28:28] bloodthirsty sociopath and he's a plot [28:30] device in a you guessed it political [28:32] Intrigue [28:33] plotline try as he might the latecomer [28:35] poet cannot fully exercise himself of [28:38] the precursor's influence and even [28:39] forgetting is anything but a liberating [28:41] process Bloom argues that even if you [28:43] try to forget the influencer that [28:45] they're you know they're still hanging [28:47] around there in your mind somewhere [28:49] every forgotten precursor becomes a [28:50] giant of the imagination total [28:52] repression would be healthy but only a [28:54] God is capable of it so if a poet cannot [28:56] become a God then he can diminish the [28:58] godhood of another and that is Bloom's [29:00] fourth revisionary ratio demonization [29:03] the word is taken from the Greek yeah [29:05] we're doing this Dion and it is distinct [29:07] from the Christian demon you are [29:08] probably thinking about Greek Dions were [29:11] lesser deities and guiding Spirits in [29:13] one of Bloom's later works the diamond [29:15] knows he often uses the phrase uh [29:18] demonic Muse and Muse might be an easier [29:21] word to Grapple with here it's closer to [29:23] what he's really talking about so Muse [29:25] the precursor poet becomes a Divine Muse [29:27] in the mind of the new poet and unable [29:29] to rid themselves of their Eternal [29:31] presence strong poets attempt to [29:33] diminish the impact of those who came [29:35] before with a precursor created [29:36] something Sublime a new poet will create [29:39] a counter Sublime something that [29:40] suggests the precursor was weaker than [29:42] previously thought in essence this will [29:44] make the son the latecomer poet more of [29:46] a diamon and the precursor more of a man [29:49] so you're kind of trying to become your [29:51] own muse while also suggesting that hey [29:53] that other guy he's barely even ause [29:55] anyway forget that other forget that [29:57] other guy in the dark Knight The Joker [29:59] Is both inspired by and hateful of the [30:01] Batman and seeks not to kill him but to [30:03] bring him down in the minds of the [30:05] people of Gotham that is the tense [30:06] relationship between precursor and [30:08] latecomer poet in Bloom's conception of [30:11] things for an example of this we can [30:12] look no further than George R Martin [30:14] again and his relationship to his great [30:16] Muse and the Muse of all fantasy [30:18] literature Jr tolken ruling is hard this [30:20] was maybe my answer to Tolen whom as [30:23] much as I admire him I do quibble with [30:25] the Lord of the Rings had a very [30:26] medieval philosophy that if the King was [30:28] a good man the land would Prosper we [30:30] look at real history and it's not that [30:31] simple Tolen can say that Aragon became [30:33] king and reigned for a 100 years and he [30:35] was wise and good but tolken doesn't ask [30:37] the question what was Aragon's tax [30:39] policy did he maintain a standing army [30:41] what did he do in times of flood and [30:42] famine and what about all these Orcs by [30:44] the end of the war Sauron is gone but [30:46] all of the Orcs aren't gone they're in [30:48] the mountains did Aragorn pursue a [30:50] policy of systemic genocide and kill [30:52] them even the little Orcs in their [30:54] little orc crads here we can see Martin [30:56] lay out a Mis prison of tolken like it [30:58] is a misreading of tolken to start [31:00] asking all of these questions but they [31:02] are fruitful misreadings because they [31:03] lead Martin into the blind spot in [31:06] tolken work the result is that Game of [31:07] Thrones does take the Lord of the Rings [31:09] off the pedestal a little bit no longer [31:11] makes it the unquestioned idol of the [31:13] genre that is dioniz it's Martin's Grim [31:16] dark counter Sublime to tolken romantic [31:19] Sublime in doing this Game of Thrones [31:21] influenced the way that tolken can be [31:23] read and emulated there is a naivity to [31:25] tolken that can no longer be enjoyed in [31:27] in the same way that it used to be [31:30] looking over the TV landscape at the [31:32] shows that have attempted to tap into [31:33] the Game of Thrones audience the ones [31:35] that have been the most successful in [31:37] every sense of the word are the ones [31:38] that have asked what if Game of Thrones [31:40] but what if Game of Thrones but it takes [31:42] place in modern day and instead of a [31:44] medieval Kingdom they're fighting over a [31:46] media Empire and instead of it being a [31:48] drama it's got three dick jokes a minute [31:50] Shogun was written long before Game of [31:51] Thrones was a thing but the impetus to [31:53] remake it is at least partially a [31:55] byproduct of the success of Game of [31:57] Thrones and instead of trying to be the [31:59] next Game of Thrones the show has its [32:00] own thematic and visual identity it is [32:03] as if they said what if Game of Thrones [32:05] but it's historical fiction and the [32:06] scale of the conflict is much less [32:08] politically complicated and we focus way [32:10] more on the relationship between a [32:11] limited number of characters and the [32:13] lighting is really good the first four [32:14] categories that Harold Bloom lays out [32:16] are all basically different ways to have [32:18] a take on your influencer's work rather [32:20] than merely trying to replicate what [32:22] came before you can use a familiar setup [32:24] to then chart A New Path or try to tell [32:26] a similar story but with the opposite [32:28] tone or question the tropes of a [32:29] particular kind of art and then break [32:31] them or question the underlying [32:33] assumptions in a work and then critique [32:34] them no matter which category you put [32:36] Shogun and succession into and there's [32:38] arguments to put them in several [32:39] different ones because boom's categories [32:41] are pretty loose and overlapping the [32:43] shows are hits because they have unique [32:44] identities merely using the familiar [32:46] mold of rulers competing for power as a [32:48] building block Game of Thrones inspired [32:50] many shows during its run but the arms [32:52] race really started after the show ended [32:54] except the show never really ended the [32:56] vacuum that a lot of these shows thought [32:58] they were going to fill didn't really [33:00] exist because HBO filled that void [33:02] itself with House of the dragon and with [33:04] even more spin-offs on the way you know [33:06] the king is dead but long live the king [33:08] you can't clone Thrones better than [33:10] Thrones bones but okay wise guy what if [33:13] everything goes right and you actually [33:14] get over your ex-girlfriend I mean you [33:16] actually get over your influences isn't [33:18] that possible please tell me it's [33:20] possible well then you've stepped into [33:22] Bloom's fifth category self- [33:25] purgation where other forms of [33:27] struggling with the precursor have [33:28] avoided the issue the contest between [33:30] the two poets you know have allowed the [33:32] lomer poet to get away with just [33:34] commenting on the precursor or trying to [33:36] repress the precursor this step in the [33:38] process is what Bloom calls the contest [33:40] proper the match to the death with the [33:42] dead you know if nothing else Bloom is [33:44] fun to read empowered by their victory [33:46] over the precursor the poet will seek to [33:48] purge all outside influence from their [33:49] work to be the dominant will and voice [33:51] of their art Bloom Compares this to [33:53] religious aestheticism practices of [33:56] severe self-discipline the strong poet [33:58] in his dionic elevation is empowered to [34:00] turn his energy upon himself and [34:02] achieves at terrible cost his clearest [34:05] victory in wrestling with the mighty [34:07] dead in doing so however the poet [34:09] becomes not just Prometheus but [34:11] narcissus solop cystic in their [34:14] inspiration having become Godlike in [34:16] step four the poet now worships herself [34:19] only the truly strong poet can go on [34:21] being both making his culture and partly [34:23] contemplating his own central place in [34:25] it but for this contemplation he must [34:28] make a sacrifice and the sacrifice is [34:30] narrowing the creative circumference of [34:32] severing oneself from the lot of history [34:35] you've closed yourself off from the [34:37] force okay this basically means not [34:39] letting yourself be influenced by [34:41] anybody else you're only influenced by [34:43] yourself for a Time the poet can go on [34:46] creating works of greatness while living [34:48] on this island of creative inspiration [34:50] this Purgatory but writing poems is a [34:53] purgation that drains more than it [34:54] replenishes if the poet does not [34:56] eventually go back to to The Well of [34:58] inspiration they will die of thirst the [35:00] example that jumps to mind immediately [35:02] for me is Star Wars Star Wars you know [35:06] Star Wars Star Wars started as a [35:08] creative fusing of Pulp Cals space [35:10] Fantasy World War II action Samurai [35:12] movies Arthur and Legend and more then [35:14] it became one of the most successful [35:15] media franchises in the world and for a [35:17] while there only knew how to reference [35:19] itself and in this writer's humble [35:21] opinion only became interesting again [35:23] when it takes in new [35:25] influences okay so we talked a lot about [35:27] Herold bloom and his theories about [35:28] influence but was he you know right is [35:32] the anxiety of influence really the [35:34] primary way we should analyze the [35:36] relationships between different pieces [35:38] of art I've certainly had my fun [35:40] indulging all of Herold Bloom's [35:42] classical metaphors of Epic biblical [35:44] struggle but is it all just a bunch of [35:46] pseudo psychoanalytical hogwash is [35:48] Harold bloom a Visionary of his time or [35:50] what Legions of critics have called him [35:53] a pretentious windbag no other [35:54] well-known literary critic elicits the [35:56] kind of Praise or vitriol and not in [35:58] equal measure as does Herold Bloom the [36:00] attacks against Bloom and his theories [36:02] come on multiple fronts first is that [36:04] bloom is a conservative defender of the [36:06] western Cannon a cannon that is [36:08] dominated by white men in a strict [36:10] lineage from John Milton to Wallace [36:12] Stevens with little eye for anything [36:14] else that exists outside of that like of [36:17] course Bloom would tend to think that [36:19] it's important that poems are in [36:21] conversation with one another when he [36:22] only elevates the poems that were in [36:25] conversation with one another Bloom's [36:27] folus is not ideologically neutral [36:29] regardless of what he'd like us to think [36:32] in his preface to the second edition of [36:33] the anxiety of influence Bloom rails [36:36] against other forms of literary [36:37] criticism calling them the schools of [36:40] resentment basically poetry was really [36:42] freaking awesome before all of these [36:44] damn feminists and woke social justice [36:46] Warriors came along and ruined it with [36:48] their postmodern neo-marxist Hokum when [36:50] Bloom tells us that after 40 Years of [36:52] teaching in the academy he now finds [36:54] himself surrounded by professors of [36:56] hipop by clone of galic Germanic Theory [36:59] by ideologues of gender and the various [37:01] sexual Persuasions by multiculturalists [37:04] unlimited and that none of these Renters [37:06] of the aesthetic value of literature are [37:08] going to go away it is easy to forget [37:10] that he is talking about literature and [37:12] not the Ebola virus [ __ ] got him [37:16] though Bloom branded his opponents with [37:17] the word resentment there is a great [37:19] deal of projection going on because [37:22] nobody resented quite like Bloom he [37:24] resented the way that all of these other [37:26] forms of criticism didn't Focus on the [37:27] text itself in his mind but that they [37:30] tried to put the text into historical or [37:32] social or political contexts the anxiety [37:35] of influence is stop putting politics in [37:37] Star Wars the book Bloom's writing is an [37:40] attempt to turn back the clock on all of [37:42] these other schools of criticism [37:44] scaffolding that other critics could use [37:46] to focus solely on aesthetic [37:47] appreciation of poetry the connections [37:50] between poets Bloom took the need to [37:52] create his own system to a comical [37:54] degree in his disagreements with poet [37:57] John Ashbury John Ashbury was a [37:59] contemporary of Bloom's and Bloom helped [38:01] raise ashbury's profile but Bloom and [38:03] Ashbury disagreed immensely over [38:04] ashbury's own place in literary [38:06] tradition Bloom said that Ashbury who is [38:09] not likely to be pleased with this [38:10] observation is at his best when he dares [38:13] to write most directly in the idiom of [38:15] Stevens whereas Ashbury argued broadly [38:17] against big theories that explain the [38:19] universe as a way to understand poetry [38:21] and that the very existence of those [38:23] kinds of Frameworks can be limiting [38:24] forcing poets to write in ways they [38:26] think will get critical attention in [38:27] response Bloom echoed something like the [38:29] death of the author arguing that poets [38:31] don't really know themselves and that it [38:33] takes a Critic to clarify things and [38:35] while that may have an element of Truth [38:37] it doesn't mean Bloom specifically is [38:39] right about Ashbury all of that is to [38:41] say not everyone agrees with this strict [38:43] list of poets passing the torch of [38:45] influence including poets that are on [38:47] the list there are plenty of criticisms [38:49] to be had of both Bloom and his system [38:51] so perhaps the question to ask isn't is [38:54] this right but where is it useful I have [38:57] two in aners Bloom developed this system [38:59] to analyze what he saw as some of the [39:00] most Sublime works of art ever created [39:03] so I think it would upset him immensely [39:04] to apply it to capitalist hogwash but [39:07] unfortunately that's where I think it's [39:09] best applied capitalist incentives [39:10] demand that things be produced and [39:12] reproduced and reproduced and repackaged [39:14] and remade and resold and rehashed [39:16] Thrones clones are just one small part [39:19] of the wider Trend pushing creatives [39:20] towards a homogenized media landscape [39:23] that is only set to become even more [39:25] homogenized with the rise of AI leave it [39:27] to the machines and the spreadsheets and [39:28] they have no qualms about cloning the [39:30] last big thing to make the next big [39:32] thing it's by feeling the anxiety of [39:34] influence that artists can push back [39:36] against those demands and maybe Bloom's [39:37] six categories can be Pathways to [39:39] originality for someone out there maybe [39:41] they can be that for me I've got to be [39:43] careful I think of accusing other [39:45] projects of unoriginality while making a [39:48] video essay here on youtube.com I didn't [39:51] invent this form and while I'm immensely [39:53] proud of my videos I don't think they've [39:55] broken the mold either so I'm taking [39:58] this subject as a moment for reflection [40:00] on my own creative shortcomings because [40:02] I think I've still got a lot to say here [40:04] but I want to start doing it in a way [40:05] that pushes the boundaries what exactly [40:07] that means I don't know yet but I hope [40:09] you'll stick around with me and find out [40:11] I've forgotten something though we've [40:13] only gone over five of Bloom six [40:15] categories we've still got to talk [40:26] about this one one's the most [40:27] interesting of Bloom's types of [40:29] revisions and also the most plainly [40:31] absurd this is where the poet truly [40:33] overcomes the anxiety of influence no [40:36] longer will they struggle with the [40:37] precursor try to subvert them disparage [40:40] them in this final step the poet invites [40:43] comparisons once more between their work [40:45] and the work that influenced them and is [40:47] finally judged the greater then a weird [40:50] thing happens we begin to interpret the [40:53] influence non- chronologically we read [40:55] the precursor as if they were influenced [40:57] by their own successors we read tolken [41:00] as if he was inspired by Martin should [41:02] that be your goal as a creative I don't [41:05] know it feels too Petty too down in the [41:06] weeds why are you grappling with ghosts [41:09] truly escaping the anxiety of influence [41:12] would mean releasing the need for this [41:13] kind of validation from critics an [41:16] audience or history accepting the [41:18] inevitability of influence without [41:20] transforming it into a death match make [41:22] art for its own sake and the anxiety [41:24] will pass [41:28] so that's enough about the anxiety of [41:30] influence it's time to talk about the [41:32] anxiety of [41:34] influencers aka me videos like this take [41:37] an enormous amount of time and effort [41:40] and while I love making these videos it [41:42] just is the reality they take so much [41:44] time and work uh so if you've enjoyed [41:47] what you've seen if you got some use out [41:48] of it then I hope you'll consider 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that uh hope you're having a nice [42:40] day and keep writing everyone