[0:00] You know, I have a reputation for
[0:01] spoiling certain things and I think the
[0:04] studios are keeping me from the the
[0:06] juicy details, but when I do get to
[0:09] grace that set, I'm so curious of like
[0:11] what does that mean for Peter? And I'm
[0:13] very excited about whatever it is that
[0:15] they're doing. [laughter] Yeah. Is Tom
[0:17] Holland going to be in Avengers Doomsday
[0:19] and Avengers Secret Wars? What lessons
[0:21] can we learn from his past three
[0:22] Spider-Man movies before Spider-Man
[0:24] Brand New Day and Avengers Doomsday? I'm
[0:26] Eric Boss and this is another episode of
[0:28] The Road to Doomsday. New Rockstar's
[0:30] Marvel Rewatch podcast leading up to
[0:32] Avengers Doomsday on December 18th. In
[0:34] this podcast, we are revisiting 2017
[0:36] Spider-Man Homecoming, 2019 Spider-Man
[0:38] Far From Home, and 2021 Spider-Man No
[0:40] Way Home. The third of which was
[0:41] certainly a critical world building
[0:43] block of the multiverse saga. And
[0:44] really, all three of which chart Peter's
[0:46] journey leading up to Brand New Day this
[0:48] summer. We are revisiting this trilogy
[0:50] in a great discussion between myself and
[0:52] special guest Brandon Bareric that I
[0:53] think you're really going to enjoy. and
[0:55] an announcement here. In the weeks
[0:56] leading up to Brand New Day on July
[0:58] 31st, [music] new rock stars will be
[0:59] revisiting Spider-Man Homecoming, Far
[1:01] From Home, and No Way Home with all new
[1:03] in-depth Easter egg breakdowns as well
[1:05] to uncover even newer visual details
[1:06] that we never spotted before and
[1:08] connections that will come full circle
[1:09] in Brand New Day and beyond. These three
[1:11] big videos will be coming to the channel
[1:12] weekly in July. And as we're announcing
[1:14] some future programming plans, here is
[1:16] our Road to Doomsday podcast July
[1:18] schedule. Mark your calendars, listen to
[1:20] your Peter Tingle, stop doing what guy
[1:21] in the chair Ned said he was doing in
[1:23] Homecoming and join us as we web swing
[1:26] down the road to Doomsday.
[1:28] And it feels like bringing a fresh face
[1:31] into the MCU.
[1:32] >> It really did feel like this was an
[1:33] interconnected world that was really
[1:35] confident and we wanted Spider-Man to be
[1:36] on that train.
[1:37] >> This is when Marvel cannot miss. [music]
[1:39] Everyone is buying what the MCU is
[1:41] selling and it's all good. This was the
[1:43] movie that proved that Endgame is not
[1:45] the end [music] of the Marvel story. It
[1:47] really felt like Marvel's actually doing
[1:49] this. We're going to have a proper
[1:50] Secret Wars. Okay, here's Eric and
[1:52] Brandon talking about the Spider-Man
[1:53] trilogy of the MCU. A trilogy that we
[1:56] larb to talk about
[1:58] >> and I lar you Brandon.
[2:00] >> I lar you, Eric.
[2:01] >> Uh yeah, Brandon's back and we're we're
[2:03] checking we're chatting about Spider-Man
[2:05] Homecoming, Spider-Man Far From Home,
[2:06] and Spider-Man No Way Home. Those three
[2:08] movies, three movies that are very
[2:09] important to revisit, not just in front
[2:10] of Spider-Man brand new day, but
[2:12] specifically the third of those movies
[2:14] opened up riffs into the multiverse.
[2:16] certain logic that could be applied to
[2:18] what's going to happen in Avengers
[2:19] Doomsday. The riffs could be similar if
[2:22] a purple glow uh goes through those
[2:24] cracks in the sky. We're going to be
[2:25] definitely wanting to revisit what
[2:27] Doctor Strange and Peter Parker cook up
[2:29] in Spider-Man Home uh No Way Home and uh
[2:31] and looking at how the two movies led up
[2:34] to that. Uh specifically Peter Parker's
[2:36] journey. Will Peter Parker will Tom
[2:38] Holland's Peter Parker be in Avengers
[2:39] Doomsday is a question we have to answer
[2:41] in this podcast,
[2:41] >> right? Cuz they're claiming he will not
[2:43] be there. We He did not get a chair. He
[2:45] didn't get a chair and no other
[2:47] indication. Um, you know, Chris Evans
[2:49] didn't get a chair either, but he's
[2:51] going to be in the movie.
[2:51] >> He was in the what? The Russos don't
[2:54] want to call him trailers, but the
[2:55] stories.
[2:56] >> The stories. Yeah. The weird teasers,
[2:58] the dreams, the stories, whatever the
[3:00] hell those were. Um, but but I I think
[3:03] once we see Spider-Man Brand New Day
[3:05] this summer, we'll have a clearer
[3:06] indication of whether he whether Tom
[3:08] Holland will come back in Doomsday or if
[3:10] we'll have to wait for Secret Wars. But
[3:11] I think either way, these three movies
[3:13] as a trilogy are very important to
[3:14] revisit for Doomsday. And you know, it's
[3:17] interesting to revisit these three uh
[3:20] Sony Marvel collaborations directed by
[3:22] John Watts because I think it's
[3:25] unfortunate that all the great stuff
[3:27] that Dustin Daniel Cretton is doing for
[3:28] A Brand New Day is, you know, recoloring
[3:31] people's memories for these three movies
[3:33] as like lesser, as like John Watts had
[3:36] to cut some corners, that he didn't get
[3:38] the the swinging right, that the suit
[3:40] was too Iron Manized in these three
[3:42] movies. But I think these three movies
[3:44] are really great. Even Far From Home, I
[3:47] think all three of them are really fun
[3:48] to revisit.
[3:50] >> It is very fun. And I think Jake
[3:51] Gyllenhaal is so great as Mysterio and
[3:53] that's like such a fun story. Uh the the
[3:56] reveal the first time and then
[3:57] rewatching it uh and knowing what's
[4:00] going on uh kind of seeing it all
[4:02] happen. You know, I've I've made my
[4:03] critiques of this trilogy. I you know, I
[4:05] was always like annoyed that there
[4:07] wasn't more swinging around New York
[4:09] City. I missed that. But one you bring
[4:11] up the suit. I kind of love that this
[4:13] movie explains how Spider-Man has such a
[4:15] nice suit. You know, when you're
[4:16] watching the Toby Spider-Man, Spider-Man
[4:19] one, and it's just like he's doing
[4:20] little drawings and then all of a sudden
[4:22] he has a studio quality Spider-Man suit.
[4:24] It's like, where did this come from?
[4:26] Like, how did he make this uh in Aunt
[4:29] May's house with a sewing machine, you
[4:31] know? So, I kind of that was a fun thing
[4:33] about this trilogy that it kind of
[4:35] explained how this young man in New York
[4:38] City with no money was able to get a
[4:40] cool looking suit and build these web
[4:42] shooters and do all that. And it's a fun
[4:44] it's a it's a new take on the Spider-Man
[4:46] origin that kind of takes three movies
[4:48] to do his origin story instead of just
[4:51] cramming it into the first 20 minutes of
[4:52] the first movie.
[4:53] >> Yeah, it's interesting. Brand New Day
[4:55] being described as like um kind of a
[4:57] proper Spider-Man story almost like a
[4:59] Spider-Man phase one. you know, um, but
[5:02] it it I think it's also cool to look at
[5:04] this these three movies as like not just
[5:07] a a pre canon event death Spider-Man
[5:10] story, but one that also really does a
[5:12] good job um, showing what a kid
[5:15] Spider-Man looks like, someone who's
[5:17] still in high school and is living
[5:19] through the rights of passage that a
[5:20] high school student does and a kid in
[5:23] Queens, right? Uh, I think we got to
[5:25] remember that Spider-Man Homecoming was
[5:27] trying to fix things about the Toby era,
[5:30] the Andrew era that were missing,
[5:32] showing him as a neighborhood, a
[5:34] friendly neighborhood Queens Spider-Man.
[5:36] Uh, a kid who is uh having to stuff his
[5:40] backpack in it or his suit in his
[5:41] backpack uh with web shooters that break
[5:44] sometimes. Um, and a kid who is aspiring
[5:46] to be part of the Avengers, right? The
[5:48] other two eras of Spider-Man had no
[5:50] Avengers in their world. Yeah, this is a
[5:51] kid who, you know, it's been explained,
[5:53] was at the Stark Expo when Whiplash
[5:56] showed up and started making things
[5:57] crazy. Like, this is a kid growing up
[5:59] thinking, I want to be a superhero. And
[6:00] I have examples of that. You know, it's
[6:02] like kids now who want to be YouTubers.
[6:04] Don't do it, children.
[6:04] >> It's not worth it. It's more work than
[6:06] you think. Just get a nice 9 toive job.
[6:09] >> But Toby and Andrew Spider-Man, they had
[6:11] no examples of what superheroes were.
[6:13] This kid does. And in the first movie,
[6:15] he's, you know, kind of telling Ned,
[6:16] "Yeah, I'm an Avenger." You know what I
[6:17] mean? And it's like he's too big for his
[6:19] britches and he has to learn how to be a
[6:21] friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Uh
[6:23] which I think is very important to
[6:25] building this version of Peter Parker in
[6:27] the MCU.
[6:28] >> Yeah. So, let's revisit these titles one
[6:30] by one. What happens in them? What uh
[6:32] things might happen in them that could
[6:34] come back in Doomsday or Secret Wars?
[6:36] And like interesting facts about how
[6:37] they were made that we're now only
[6:38] learning now that these people are
[6:41] revisiting them ahead of Brand New Day.
[6:43] So, starting with 2017's Spider-Man
[6:46] Homecoming. This was kind of group
[6:47] written. You had uh John Francis Daly
[6:49] and uh John Watts, the director, uh with
[6:52] Christopher Ford and Chris McKenna and
[6:54] Eric Summers. And McKenna and Summers
[6:55] would be the two screenwriters who would
[6:57] kind of take this franchise in the
[6:58] sequels. Uh but you had people from like
[7:00] the freaks and geeks generation of
[7:02] people who were kind of helping craft
[7:04] this story, which I find very
[7:05] interesting. You can see that in some of
[7:06] the high school humor, the kind of
[7:08] losers table that these characters
[7:10] occupy. Um so it was released on July
[7:12] 7th, 2017. This was a year after we saw
[7:15] Tom Holland show up in Captain America:
[7:16] Civil War, something we talked about
[7:18] earlier this month on the Road to
[7:19] Doomsday. So, we kind of already had a
[7:21] sense of how he fit in with the world of
[7:22] the Avengers, but we got to see him more
[7:24] focused with Tony Stark in this movie.
[7:26] So, Homecoming actually opens back in
[7:28] the aftermath of the Battle of New York
[7:30] in 2012. Adrien Tombs, played by Michael
[7:32] Keaton, is leading leading a salvage
[7:34] operation um in Grand Central Station,
[7:36] but the DODC comes in uh with that woman
[7:39] from Jud Gene Amy. You remember her?
[7:41] She's great. The whole audience loves
[7:43] judging Amy. I think
[7:45] >> I did.
[7:45] >> She was great. She's a great member of
[7:47] the DODC.
[7:48] >> She comes in, boots him off the project.
[7:50] And then eight years later, one of the
[7:53] biggest plot holes in the MCU ever.
[7:55] >> Kevin Feige just sitting at the premiere
[7:56] going.
[7:59] >> Um, so now we're caught up. We don't
[8:00] really know what exactly the time gap
[8:02] was because we're not in 2020 at this
[8:04] point. It does make sense.
[8:05] >> Well, I think at this time the MCU was
[8:06] still kind of sticking with the release
[8:08] year. So, we're probably around 2017.
[8:13] >> That makes the most sense.
[8:14] >> I mean, it was July 2017. We didn't know
[8:17] like a year later we'd be in a blip
[8:18] during at this point in the MCU
[8:19] timeline. I think they were thinking
[8:20] that was in 2008 and not in 2012. I
[8:23] think that's what the issue is. Crazy
[8:25] that they still haven't fixed it in
[8:26] Disney Plus patches.
[8:27] >> Literally, I mean, we'll get to it, but
[8:29] the end of No Way Home, they cover up
[8:32] Aunt May's tombstone so you can't see
[8:34] the dates. And it's like, can someone
[8:36] just be in charge of this? But in the
[8:38] trailer, in the trailer for Brand New
[8:39] Day, they do show it was 2024 when she
[8:41] died. Um, but either way, we're now it's
[8:43] definitely 2016. Um, we're at Midtown
[8:45] Science High School where Peter Parker,
[8:47] Spider-Man played by Tom Holland, is
[8:48] still riding high after fighting in
[8:50] Captain America: Civil War as part of
[8:51] his internship with Tony Stark. He wants
[8:54] to be a full-time Avenger, but Tony says
[8:55] he isn't ready. Um, Happy Hogan, John
[8:58] Fabro, is also back. He's very
[8:59] dismissive of Peter's superhero sized
[9:02] aspirations. But one night, Peter stops
[9:04] a group of criminals robbing an ATM
[9:05] using some exotic weaponry that seems to
[9:07] be based on Chitauri tech. Uh he latches
[9:10] on to and he finds and shuts down the
[9:13] source of these weapons on his way to
[9:14] prove that he's meant to be a superhero.
[9:16] He has to ditch his friend Ned, played
[9:18] by Jacob Battalon, at a house party, uh
[9:20] where, you know, mean old Flash Thompson
[9:23] has called him penis Parker, right? Um
[9:25] he's off to investigate this weird
[9:26] explosion and ends up um chasing a few
[9:29] of Adrien Tomb's crew who were selling
[9:32] exotic weapons through these suburb um
[9:35] backyards. Yeah.
[9:36] >> Um it's kind of fun to see Peter Parker
[9:38] in a suburb. I don't think we had ever
[9:40] really seen that.
[9:40] >> I mean, these movies found fun ways to
[9:42] take Peter out of swinging around New
[9:44] York, which you know is fun and it's
[9:47] like changing up the game from what
[9:48] we've already seen. We just wanted a
[9:49] little more New York web swinging, you
[9:51] know,
[9:51] >> a little bit. But we got to see at least
[9:52] Queens. We got to see an elevated train
[9:54] line in Queens. We got to see him hiding
[9:56] his backpack behind a dumpster.
[9:58] >> He's stopping a bicycle thief. He's
[10:00] helping an old lady. Like the important
[10:01] things that Spider-Man needs to do.
[10:03] >> You got Zach Cherry there saying, "Do a
[10:04] flip." You got Stanley sticking his head
[10:06] out of a window, flirting with a
[10:08] neighbor. There's enough there's a
[10:10] different side of New York that we just
[10:11] haven't seen delivered in in any
[10:13] Spider-Man movie up until this, which is
[10:14] really nice.
[10:14] >> Very charming.
[10:15] >> Yeah. Um, but as he's chasing Adrien
[10:18] Tomb's goons that include Donald Glover,
[10:20] let's not forget
[10:21] >> given that given that Prowler voice
[10:23] doing the a very deep voice.
[10:25] >> Yeah. Logan Marshall Green, Bohem
[10:27] Woodbine is there. All these people that
[10:29] we thought were going to be bigger
[10:30] villains in the movie.
[10:31] >> Hey, Shocker could come back at any
[10:32] moment.
[10:33] >> Oh, I hope he does. Um, Peter ends up
[10:35] nearly drowned in a lake by Tombs
[10:37] himself from his vulture regalia. Um, a
[10:40] hollow Iron Man suit comes to rescue
[10:41] comes to the rescue. and Tony who's at a
[10:44] wedding in India. Um maybe Kingo's uh
[10:47] wedding. We never really find out who.
[10:49] No, it's not his. Uh but he kind of
[10:51] remotely chides Peter for being in over
[10:53] his head, but a tracking device on one
[10:55] of Tomb's crew leads Peter to Baltimore
[10:57] under the cover of joining his academic
[10:59] decathlon team on a trip to Washington
[11:01] DC. Ned and Peter hack into his suit to
[11:03] remove one of Stark's training wheels
[11:05] protocols and take out a tracking
[11:07] device. So Peter tries to stop Tombs
[11:09] from stealing the trickeen salvage from
[11:11] the DoDC truck. but winds up trapped
[11:13] inside of a secure DODCH facility and
[11:15] misses his decathlon in DC. Uh worse, he
[11:18] realizes that a power core from one of
[11:20] the weapons that he and Ned had been
[11:21] studying is basically a ticking time
[11:23] bomb. The core explodes while Ned and
[11:25] the Decathlon team including Zindea MJ
[11:28] are visiting the Washington Monument. Uh
[11:31] one of the first times the Washington
[11:32] Monument is damaged in the MCU later by
[11:35] Red Hulk. Uh, but Peter arrives in the
[11:38] nick of time, is able to rescue
[11:39] everybody, including Liz Laura Harrier,
[11:43] uh, who he's been crushing on this
[11:44] entire movie. When Peter gets back to
[11:46] New York, he figures out that a weapons
[11:48] deal will go down on the Staten Island
[11:49] Ferry. Peter intervenes and then Tombs
[11:52] intervenes. Peter's intervening.
[11:53] [laughter]
[11:54] Uh, and it's in this point where Matt
[11:56] Gargan, played by Michael Mando, uh,
[11:59] gets thrown overboard. He's going to
[12:01] come back in Brand New Day. Uh, I really
[12:03] slammed my arm on the table just now.
[12:05] You're ready for scoring.
[12:07] >> The set's about to fall over. Um, but a
[12:09] malfunction weapon cuts the ferry in
[12:11] half. Luckily, Iron Man helps out as
[12:13] well. And they're able to stitch it back
[12:15] together. But basically, Peter gets his
[12:18] suit taken away. If you're
[12:20] >> What's the line? If you can't work the
[12:22] suit, you don't get to be the guy.
[12:24] Something
[12:25] >> something along those lines.
[12:26] >> I swear I did re-watch the movie,
[12:28] [laughter] but I rewatched lots of
[12:29] >> three Spider-Man movies to watch.
[12:31] >> Yeah. Uh, but it is one of the great
[12:33] moments in this movie. Uh, Iron Man, uh,
[12:35] Tony Stark, uh, Robert Downey Jr. got
[12:37] paid quite a bit of money to be in this
[12:39] movie.
[12:39] >> Well, and this set the precedent, right?
[12:41] Because this is a Sony Marvel double
[12:43] joint. You know, you you get one MCU
[12:46] character or a couple I mean, Happy
[12:48] Hogan's there, too, but one MCU hero
[12:50] will show up in a Spider-Man movie as
[12:52] part of the trade for using Spider-Man
[12:54] and Avengers movies.
[12:55] >> Yeah. So, um, so now Peter in the middle
[12:58] of the movie is refocusing on just being
[13:00] a good high school student. He's able to
[13:01] ask Liz to homecoming. She says yes, but
[13:03] when Peter goes to pick her up, take her
[13:05] to the dance. One of the greatest twists
[13:06] of the MCU.
[13:07] >> A great twist.
[13:08] >> Answering the door is Adrien Tombs
[13:10] herself. Yes, he is Liz's father. And
[13:13] from the car ride, he's able to kind of
[13:15] deduce that this kid, this kid who's
[13:17] sweating bullets in the back seat is
[13:19] probably that same kid.
[13:20] >> I mean, what a great use of Michael
[13:21] Keaton. What a great use. Great villain.
[13:24] >> He's never been more terrifying.
[13:25] >> No,
[13:26] >> he's really great.
[13:27] >> The red light, green light on his face,
[13:28] looking through the rearview mirror.
[13:29] when he fries, you know, he fries one of
[13:31] his henchmen and he's like, "I thought
[13:32] that was a gravity gun." I don't know.
[13:34] >> Whoopsy daisy.
[13:35] >> Whoopsy doopsy. [laughter]
[13:37] >> So Adrien tells Peter to back off, but
[13:39] Peter doesn't. Instead, he ditches Liz
[13:41] at the dance
[13:42] >> and foiling an attempted heist by Tombs
[13:45] on a cargo jet full of valuable Stark
[13:47] tech from Stark Tower as they're
[13:48] relocating from Avengers Tower to
[13:50] upstate New York.
[13:51] >> Yes, this established that uh Tony had
[13:53] sold the tower. a mystery. They that
[13:56] made a lot of New Rockstars videos,
[13:58] >> a lot of videos that would not get
[14:00] resolved until Thunderbolts.
[14:01] Thunderbolts. Yeah. Uh so Tombs ends up
[14:03] apprehended. Tony sufficiently impressed
[14:05] and formally invites Peter to join the
[14:06] Avengers, which Peter respectfully
[14:08] declines despite getting a badass Iron
[14:10] Spider suit offered to him. Uh Gwyneth
[14:12] Paltro shows up, did not remember that
[14:14] she was in this about the se Well, I
[14:16] mean to they must have shot this as part
[14:17] of another movie, right? This wasn't
[14:20] another day they bring. probably
[14:21] shooting this around the same time they
[14:22] were shooting Avengers Infinity War. And
[14:25] she's like, "Okay, I just did an extra
[14:26] day for that Infinity War shoot. I
[14:28] didn't know that was for that movie."
[14:29] >> Who who could know?
[14:30] >> Uh, but the movie ends with Peter back
[14:32] in his classic Spider-Man suit in his
[14:35] bedroom where um Aunt May walks in and
[14:37] goes, "What the?"
[14:39] >> And uh yeah, Marissa Toé gets the what
[14:41] the ends up also being the final line of
[14:43] Spider-Man Far From Home after. Another
[14:45] another thing this trilogy did really
[14:46] well where you know the the especially
[14:49] the Toby Spider-Man was all about like
[14:50] keeping his identity from everybody.
[14:52] This movie like each movie more people
[14:55] get to know that he's Spider-Man
[14:57] ultimately leading to the problem uh and
[14:59] No Way Home which is like again I like I
[15:01] love that this trilogy kind of didn't
[15:04] follow the formula of the two
[15:05] Spider-Man, you know, franchises we
[15:07] already had and we got to skip past it.
[15:09] it. You know, it's very much like when
[15:12] they finally realize like we don't need
[15:13] a Batman origin story in every Batman
[15:15] movie. You know, we don't got to see the
[15:17] Waynees get shot in the alleyway and the
[15:18] pearls go flying. Like, we get it. We
[15:20] know what happens. We all are clear on
[15:22] it. Let's just get to the fun stuff.
[15:24] >> Yeah. There's a lot of um you know,
[15:26] hints at the backstory there. There was
[15:28] a spider that bit Peter, but all all
[15:30] Peter says to Ned is the spider's dead.
[15:33] >> We don't [clears throat] meet an Uncle
[15:35] Ben, but there is a dead Uncle Ben in
[15:37] the past of this character.
[15:38] >> Yeah. We see the suitcase in Far From
[15:40] Home has Uncle Ben's initials on it.
[15:42] >> EFP. But we we learn later from the
[15:44] Russo brothers just in the past month or
[15:46] two that like in their mind, Uncle Ben,
[15:49] Uncle Ben's death was not Peter's fault,
[15:51] right?
[15:51] >> That it was through some other kind of
[15:53] incident that happened that to where
[15:54] Peter doesn't kick himself for that. Um
[15:56] that I guess in the lore of the Tom
[15:58] Holland version of Peter Parker, it is
[16:00] Aunt May's death that is the with great
[16:01] power, with great responsibility cannon
[16:03] event that inspires him,
[16:05] >> which is fair. And you know there civil
[16:06] war they kind of had that mysterious
[16:08] line of like when the bad things happen
[16:10] and you don't do something you know and
[16:13] everyone thought that was he was
[16:15] referring to as Ben but this is also a
[16:17] kid who grew up and lived through the
[16:19] battle of New York. So in his mind and
[16:21] he's he again he has examples of heroes
[16:23] out there. So you know I think that's
[16:25] enough in his mind to be like I've been
[16:27] given this power and everyone else in
[16:29] our world who's given a power is using
[16:31] it for good so I should be doing that
[16:33] too.
[16:34] >> Yeah. Um, I I really like Spider-Man
[16:36] Homecoming. It's It's fun to revisit it
[16:38] because I think it's reflective of like
[16:39] the high that the MCU was on in the
[16:41] later Infinity Saga movies. Um, like it
[16:45] really did feel like this was an
[16:46] interconnected world that was really
[16:48] confident and we wanted Spider-Man to be
[16:49] on that train at the speed it was
[16:51] moving. So, it was really effective that
[16:53] John Watts was able to make this movie
[16:55] that felt like a uniquely small
[16:57] Spider-Man story. It really did feel
[16:58] like a friendly neighborhood movie. It
[17:00] felt like a true homecoming for the
[17:01] character because it was so awesome to
[17:04] just have Spider-Man home in the MCU.
[17:06] Like we look back on it and kind of roll
[17:08] our eyes that Peter had to immediately
[17:09] get Iron Manized with this like overly
[17:12] powerful suit. But we forget that in
[17:13] that movie. The movie even judges Peter
[17:15] for having too much technology in the
[17:18] movie and it ends with him not having
[17:20] that um that much technology and we have
[17:22] to see him fight in the final fight with
[17:24] his homemade suit.
[17:25] >> Yeah.
[17:26] >> And I I love that about
[17:27] >> I love that suit too. It's great. That's
[17:29] what you expect Spider-Man to have,
[17:31] right? Toby had it for a little bit at
[17:33] the very beginning of his movie, but
[17:34] like it is nice that that kind of like
[17:37] ties him to his origins in a great way.
[17:40] >> Yeah. The um this movie, all three of
[17:43] these movies
[17:44] >> have I think more Easter eggs than your
[17:48] average Marvel movie. Having broken down
[17:50] every MCU movie, I can say that like
[17:52] there are filmmakers who are kind of
[17:53] like, "Yeah, we thrown some Easter eggs
[17:55] in there. The Russo brothers, for
[17:56] example, they don't really care that
[17:57] much about Easter eggs. John Watts is
[18:00] obsessed with them. He throws in every
[18:02] number you see on the screen, every
[18:04] license plate. There are uh the fact
[18:06] that um the principal of the school is
[18:08] the grandson of
[18:09] >> right one of the commandos.
[18:12] >> Um you have Martin Star coming back as
[18:14] like another as like Mr. Harrington who
[18:17] was according to Kevin Feige, the same
[18:19] character from uh the Incredible Hulk
[18:22] movie from 2008. He's like in the MCU
[18:25] like every person, every street sign,
[18:27] every license plate. Years later, John
[18:29] Watts is like, "I hit a Howard the Duck
[18:31] Easter egg somewhere in the movie. No
[18:32] one's found it." We took the challenge.
[18:34] We found it in a video. And he shouted
[18:36] us out on Twitter and says, "Good work.
[18:38] He found it. It was one of the license
[18:39] plates on the ferry." Um, and we only
[18:41] knew that because in Spider-Man Far From
[18:43] Home, uh, every license plate that he
[18:45] puts in the movie, he's like one of the
[18:46] only directors.
[18:47] >> He loves that license plate trick. Yeah.
[18:49] Um there's uh like there's just like a
[18:52] lot. These movies are fun to find the
[18:55] Easter eggs in. They're just everywhere.
[18:57] Uh specifically, yeah, this is a movie
[18:59] that introduces Donald Glover as the
[19:01] Aaron Davis of the MCU. He's still in
[19:04] this universe.
[19:05] >> He says he has a nephew.
[19:06] >> His line saying, "I got a nephew who
[19:08] lives in Brooklyn tells us that there is
[19:09] a Miles Morales somewhere in the MCU."
[19:12] That's very exciting for all of us.
[19:13] Something that could be picked up with
[19:14] at any point in the MCU. And like
[19:16] [clears throat] when he's buying the
[19:17] illegal, he doesn't want the fancy tech,
[19:19] right? And then when he hears these like
[19:21] these these crawler wall crawling
[19:23] things, he's like kind of interested.
[19:24] And it's like, oh, they wanted to do it.
[19:27] They wanted to get us in there. And then
[19:28] eventually that led to him playing the
[19:30] Prowler uh in Beyond the Spider-Verse.
[19:33] Yeah. Right.
[19:33] >> Yeah. Which we still don't really know.
[19:34] >> Across the Spiderverse.
[19:35] >> Across the Spiderverse. And we don't
[19:36] know how connected that is. Obviously
[19:38] Donald Glover has been so associated
[19:40] with Miles Brown.
[19:41] >> And that could be another version of,
[19:43] you know, I don't think it's from our
[19:44] universe or anything.
[19:45] >> Right. from voicing him in the animated
[19:47] series, uh, from playing from wearing
[19:49] the Spider-Man costume in the Community
[19:51] episode, like everyone's been wanting
[19:53] him to do to play Miles Morales in live
[19:55] action. Now he's probably too old.
[19:57] >> Give us old man Miles. Who cares?
[19:59] >> Yeah, just do it.
[20:00] >> Um, and we also learned that like in
[20:02] Beyond the Spider-Verse and Across the
[20:04] Spider-Verse that in certain universes
[20:05] like uh Miles's variant is the Prowler.
[20:09] So like yeah, there's a lot of ways you
[20:10] can connect it. Either way though, um,
[20:12] yeah, this seemed to be so open-ended.
[20:15] This world was, this spider corner of
[20:17] the MCU felt for many of us like this is
[20:19] the this is the version of Spider-Man I
[20:21] want. Someone who doesn't feel like
[20:23] closed off from his world or an else
[20:25] world. It felt like a proper
[20:27] >> like 616 Spider-Man. Um, like Tom
[20:30] Holland, just how young he was when he
[20:33] was first cast. It really felt like a
[20:34] teenage scrawny Peter. I loved Andrew
[20:37] Garfield Spider-Man, but by the time he
[20:39] played the character, he already seemed
[20:40] to be like late 20s.
[20:42] >> He was a movie star. Tom Holland at this
[20:44] point had done the impossible. Yeah, he
[20:46] was a Billy Elliot.
[20:47] >> Well, he was in Civil War. He was
[20:49] already already
[20:50] >> But I mean, just even casting Tom
[20:51] Holland, it it hearkens back to the
[20:53] beginning of the MCU when there were
[20:55] some casting choices where like these
[20:56] aren't big names yet and they became big
[20:59] names thanks to their casting. And I
[21:01] think choosing someone where like people
[21:03] will see his face and not instantly
[21:05] associate that actor with something
[21:07] else, another body of work, it really
[21:09] works. And it feels like bringing a
[21:11] fresh face into the MCU, both as an
[21:13] actor and within its world of like
[21:15] bringing in a new hero in Spider-Man.
[21:18] And it it is incredible that like even
[21:19] though this is a Sony joint, like it
[21:21] really fits in really well despite their
[21:24] poor use of time jumps. Uh uh it it
[21:28] feels like part of the MCU fully baked.
[21:31] Yeah. Um even though every other Spider
[21:33] thing they've tried to do over at Sony
[21:35] just doesn't seem to work. This one
[21:37] works really well.
[21:38] >> Yeah, it really does work really well.
[21:40] Um the way it was made, I mean, we
[21:42] talked about the origin story of this,
[21:44] but it is just fascinating to look at
[21:46] like how this weird weird deal came
[21:49] about between Marvel and Sony. Like
[21:52] basically there's so many kind of like
[21:53] what if conditionals that led to this
[21:55] even happening. Specifically like you
[21:58] had uh 2014 was kind of the pivotal year
[22:01] because the Sam Ramy trilogy of
[22:03] Spider-Man movies was so successful for
[22:05] Sony more successful than any Marvel
[22:07] Studios movie was that Kevin Feige had
[22:09] made. Um specifically Spider-Man 3 made
[22:12] a lot of money. It's really weird that
[22:14] Sam Ramy allowed Sony to reboot it in
[22:17] 2010. They're like we're not going to do
[22:18] a fourth one. I think that caught even
[22:20] Tobey Magcguire. Yeah.
[22:21] >> Uh, by surprise. But either way, they
[22:23] did reboot it with Andrew Garfield. That
[22:25] decision to go from Toby and Spider-Man
[22:28] 4. I think it was like Toby would have
[22:30] cost too much money. Maybe they were
[22:31] worried about Toby's gambling or
[22:33] something like that.
[22:33] >> Well, and his like physical health,
[22:36] right? He had already damaged his back
[22:38] >> at that point. And
[22:39] >> I still think he wanted to do another
[22:40] one.
[22:40] >> I'm sure he did want to do another one.
[22:42] >> Yeah. He like he was um I can't remember
[22:45] where he played a P not a P a veteran in
[22:48] the 2010 movie with Jake Gyllenhaal. I
[22:51] might be getting it wrong, but he was
[22:52] like trying to get a Golden Globe
[22:53] nomination. Right. And then the
[22:55] interviewer asked him in January of 2010
[22:57] like are you excited to come back for
[22:58] Spider-Man 4? He's like yeah we're going
[22:59] to be shooting it next year. I can't
[23:01] wait. Um and then like a week later Sony
[23:04] announced like oh actually we're
[23:05] rebooting it. Uh we're going to have a
[23:07] new Spider-Man. We're not going to do
[23:09] Sam Ramy Spider-Man. It was Spider-Man 4
[23:12] that was going to have Vulture in it,
[23:13] right?
[23:14] >> That was going to have Vulture, which is
[23:15] weird how Sony kept a lot of stuff.
[23:17] >> John Malovich, right?
[23:18] >> John Malovich,
[23:19] >> the man born to play the comic book
[23:21] version of the Vulture.
[23:22] >> They were going to have Bruce Campbell
[23:23] redcon as Mysterio.
[23:25] >> Yeah.
[23:25] >> So, like between Vulture and Mysterio,
[23:27] you could see people at Sony wanted to
[23:28] keep these characters alive. Lizard was
[23:30] going to be part of it. Obviously, they
[23:31] brought in Lizard for Andrew Garfield.
[23:33] So, um Yeah. Yeah. So, then they move
[23:35] forward with Andrew Garfield and they
[23:37] get Mark Webb to direct those next two
[23:39] films. And the first one does pretty
[23:40] great. The second one just does slightly
[23:43] worse and they're like it. Nope. It they
[23:45] panicked. But it was also around the
[23:47] year of the Sony hack. Yeah. That
[23:49] freaked out everyone because Sony was
[23:50] going through a lot of bad press because
[23:52] like all these Scott Ruden emails were
[23:54] coming out. Amy Pascal wasn't looking
[23:55] that good.
[23:55] >> Is that when the like rules about
[23:58] Spider-Man came out?
[23:59] >> That's where the the rules that did not
[24:00] come from Sony. They came from Marvel.
[24:02] It was like it was Ike Pearlmut's rules
[24:04] for Spider-Man that says he has to be
[24:06] white. He has to be straight. Uh, he
[24:08] can't do this. He can't smoke. He can't
[24:10] like do drugs. He can't
[24:11] >> Yeah, let Spider-Man smoke.
[24:13] >> Let him vape at least.
[24:14] >> Yeah,
[24:15] >> let him get a little popcorn lung. Who
[24:17] cares?
[24:18] >> Um, it'll heal.
[24:18] >> So, that comes out and I think uh Amy
[24:21] Pascal was just kind of more vulnerable
[24:23] in general. So, and and then Kevin
[24:24] Feige, I don't know if he intentionally
[24:27] recognized this timing, but in like
[24:29] April of 2014, he gets like Louis
[24:31] Despazito, he gets Brad Winderbomb, he
[24:33] gets Steven Brousard, uh Nate Moore,
[24:35] they all kind of rent out a hotel suite
[24:38] in Santa Monica. And they basically have
[24:40] a secret brainstorming meeting of like,
[24:42] let's find a way to convince Amy Pascal
[24:44] to partner with us to get a new version
[24:47] of Spider-Man who can be in our next
[24:48] like big Avengers teamup movie. She goes
[24:51] in uh with Kevin Feed. They have a
[24:52] meeting. And she says, "Fuck off."
[24:53] Throws a sandwich at him.
[24:54] >> Sandwich her around the world.
[24:56] >> Sandwich her around the world. Uh Kevin
[24:58] Feige is like, "I still CNN." And
[25:00] eventually in the second meeting, she
[25:01] goes, "Okay." I don't know what he said
[25:02] to her, but they agree to this deal
[25:04] where Sony and Marvel Disney will
[25:06] co-inance
[25:08] uh and co-produce the next Spider-Man
[25:11] movie. They're going to cast a new
[25:12] Spider-Man. Um and that Spider-Man will
[25:15] appear in the next Avengers team up
[25:17] movies, which would have been Captain
[25:18] America um Civil War. Kevin Feige
[25:21] basically has to go to war with like Ike
[25:23] Pearl Mutter in order to even get the
[25:25] money to do that for Civil War.
[25:26] Eventually he wins. He just drops by the
[25:28] conference room where Marcus and Mcily
[25:30] and the Russos are and he goes we got
[25:32] him basically and they're like okay I
[25:33] guess we got to we got him.
[25:36] >> We got him. Um it all just kind of works
[25:39] out to Fig's advantage. I think Feige
[25:40] made a deal with Meisto. He did one of
[25:42] those makeaish things from Obsession and
[25:44] just got [clears throat] his his life
[25:45] worked out perfectly from there. But
[25:47] yeah, um, so the first appearance, of
[25:49] course, they cast Tom Holland for Civil
[25:50] War. The Russos are involved in that
[25:52] casting. I think John Watts might be in
[25:54] the room for that casting.
[25:55] >> And if you haven't watched his screen
[25:58] test or his audition self tape to be
[26:01] Spider-Man, he does a backflip in it and
[26:03] it's incredible. And like there is a lot
[26:05] of CG and previs in these movies, but
[26:08] like in the behind the scenes, like Tom
[26:10] is doing a lot of like acrobatics and he
[26:12] has, you know, his his training as a
[26:15] dancer makes him so good at Spider-Man.
[26:17] Yeah. And really gives him the
[26:18] athleticism to do it.
[26:20] >> I think it's the back flip that got him
[26:21] the role.
[26:21] >> Yeah. I I mean, it's incredible
[26:22] >> cuz he was a stage actor in Billy Elliot
[26:24] and a stage dancer. He was one of the
[26:26] four Billy Elliott actors on the West
[26:28] End. He goes from there to be in the
[26:30] impossible, the Naomi Watts um you
[26:32] McGregor tsunami wave movie. He's great
[26:35] in it as a kid
[26:36] >> and he's he just did like a good hang.
[26:38] Tom Holland did Amy Pull's good hang and
[26:40] he kind of talks about how like Nomi
[26:42] Watts like taught him to be a film actor
[26:44] like is teaching him while while they're
[26:46] doing this insane movie uh you know all
[26:49] this stuff and she's very patient and
[26:51] teaches him so much. We I believe at
[26:53] this time Josh Hutcherson was also
[26:55] reading for the parts or maybe he was
[26:57] reading for it when Andrew Garfield got
[26:58] it but there was like other young actors
[27:00] who were being considered.
[27:01] >> I mean he says like it was like 1 1500
[27:03] people are like auditioning at least. I
[27:05] >> I might be wrong. Timothy Shalamé might
[27:07] have submitted.
[27:08] >> He had to have his his people would have
[27:10] submitted him for it. Uh Austin Abrams I
[27:12] think might have been considered because
[27:13] he was on Homeland during this time. It
[27:15] wouldn't surprise me if Austin Abrams
[27:16] >> Where was Austin Butler at? He must
[27:18] have. Right. [laughter] He was Austin
[27:20] Butler. I think he was with Colonel Tom
[27:22] Parker somewhere in the southern
[27:24] circuit.
[27:24] >> Ah, everyone wants a piece of
[27:26] Spider-Man. [laughter]
[27:28] >> So, Holland gets it. He gets Sarah Haley
[27:31] Finn is like, "This guy, this kid did a
[27:34] backflip." Maybe that's even why they
[27:36] had uh Zach Cherry say, "Do a flip."
[27:38] Like, I think that is definitely why he
[27:40] got the part.
[27:40] >> They had to have been. I mean, yeah. So,
[27:42] he Yeah, he's in Civil War. Does a great
[27:44] job. He And then they start shooting
[27:46] this movie and clearly with John Francis
[27:48] Dailyaly, John Watts. John Watts was
[27:50] someone who like had done Waverly Films.
[27:52] He was like a new uh NYC film school guy
[27:54] who put together like a film um like a
[27:57] filmmaker club and their YouTube channel
[28:00] you can see as an Easter egg in this
[28:02] movie. Um and so like he's buddies with
[28:04] people like Jake Shrier whenever like
[28:06] when I went to the Thunderbolts
[28:07] premiere, John Watts was there
[28:09] definitely looked at me and did one of
[28:10] these like I don't know. No, I'm just
[28:13] kidding. He didn't do that. He didn't do
[28:15] >> he he was supposed to direct Fantastic
[28:17] 4. He was originally going to direct
[28:18] Fantastic 4, right? John Watts.
[28:20] >> Yes. Yes, he
[28:22] >> and then he like was like, I don't want
[28:23] to do it anymore.
[28:24] >> Yeah, he backed out. Um
[28:25] >> cuz I it was like right off the heels of
[28:27] fan of
[28:28] >> No Way Home. And I think he realized
[28:29] like actually I would like to take a
[28:31] break.
[28:31] >> Yes, that's true. Um so, uh but yeah,
[28:34] he's directing it very much like a
[28:35] coming of age movie. Like this is like a
[28:37] high school thing where he wants it to
[28:38] be like a John Hughes movie. Especially
[28:40] when you go back and you watch, you
[28:42] know, Toby's uh Toby's high school is
[28:45] filled with 30 year olds and it's just
[28:46] it is
[28:46] >> Joe Manganello is like 46 when he
[28:49] watches that.
[28:50] >> To see like these high school kids and
[28:52] like the comedy with the kids is so
[28:55] good. It's so
[28:55] >> Tony Revel is really great in this.
[28:57] Jacob Batalon, Zena, they all feel like
[29:00] kids who are just like kind of hilarious
[29:02] and also kind of dumb.
[29:04] >> Everyone on the athletic team is like or
[29:06] the academic team is so funny. You know,
[29:08] there's just a lot of great moments.
[29:10] >> Yes. It it it feels like um Ferris
[29:12] Spieler. It feels like Freaks and Geeks.
[29:14] I remember the way it was marketed. It
[29:16] felt like a high school kind of Perks of
[29:18] Being a Wallflower type movie. And um we
[29:21] got to talk about the marketing in this
[29:22] movie because man, they were making fun
[29:24] of the posters in the trailer for how
[29:26] much Iron Man was in this. Remember the
[29:28] posters, Robert Downey Jr.'s face in
[29:29] three different poses, and it was huge.
[29:32] Um,
[29:33] there's the infamous shot at the end of
[29:35] the Spider-Man Homecoming trailer that
[29:37] showed Peter Parker and and Iron Man
[29:39] swinging and flying together through a
[29:40] New York movie. Not in the movie. There
[29:43] was never even a scene where that
[29:44] happened. They completely they
[29:45] >> that was happening a lot around the
[29:47] >> trailer year after Rogue One. And Rogue
[29:49] One had like tons of scenes where it's
[29:52] like a TIE fighters dropping down in
[29:53] front of
[29:54] >> But at least Rogue One it was like
[29:56] Gareth Edwards shot one version of the
[29:57] movie and then Tony Gilroy came in and
[29:59] re-shot the movie. So there was like a
[30:01] completely different version of the
[30:02] movie that like this was like clearly
[30:04] Sony's marketing people were just like
[30:06] hey animators put together this shot
[30:07] that we'll only put in the show.
[30:08] >> And I wonder if part of that calculation
[30:10] was like this deal needs to work or else
[30:12] like
[30:13] >> you know Pascal's on the line and Kevin
[30:15] Fee is on the line. Like if this doesn't
[30:17] work out it it's a total mess.
[30:19] >> And it did really work. The movie made
[30:22] more money than than either of the two
[30:24] Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies. You
[30:26] could call it the Downey bump,
[30:28] >> but it it got to over $800 million. This
[30:30] is this is when you know Marvel is like
[30:33] cannot miss, right? Everything that
[30:35] comes out is doing really well. Even
[30:37] like the smaller movies like Ant-Man,
[30:40] you know, they're still doing very well
[30:41] at the box office. Like everyone is
[30:44] buying what the MCU is selling and it's
[30:46] all good. So yeah, Spider-Man Homecoming
[30:48] uh comes out right in the the hot streak
[30:51] of of late Infinity Saga Marvel movies.
[30:54] You go from Doctor Strange in late 2016,
[30:56] then you go into uh 2017 where you have
[30:59] Guardians of the Galaxy Vol in May, you
[31:01] have Spider-Man Homecoming in July, and
[31:03] then you have Thor Ragnarok in November.
[31:05] And I remember that's when new Rockstars
[31:07] is like, "Whoa, something is really
[31:09] happening." Like Marvel movies were
[31:10] always popular, but it's like every week
[31:13] we have either a new trailer or a
[31:15] digital release or something. All these
[31:16] movies marketing cycles were
[31:17] overlapping. And then in November of
[31:19] 2017, you have the Infinity War trailer.
[31:22] And all these movies felt like it was
[31:23] building up to something hot. We knew
[31:26] Tom Holland Spider-Man was going to be
[31:27] an Infinity War. So, it was super
[31:29] exciting. Infinity War comes out
[31:31] obviously blows everyone's minds and
[31:34] Endgame comes out and blows everyone's
[31:35] minds. But before Endgame comes out, we
[31:37] get trailers for Spider-Man Far From
[31:39] Home. And there was a weird period where
[31:42] it's like, wait, Spider-Man
[31:44] >> or Spider-Man dusted at the end of
[31:45] Infinity War? He must come back in
[31:47] Endgame. I mean, no one thought that
[31:49] these people weren't Everyone knew they
[31:51] were coming back.
[31:52] >> Yeah. But they had to I remember in the
[31:54] early trailers for Spider-Man Far From
[31:56] Home had to edit around the fact that
[31:58] Tony Stark dies.
[31:58] >> Right. Right.
[31:59] >> There's so many shots in that trailer
[32:01] where Spider-Man looks kind of sad
[32:02] looking at some mural that's off screen.
[32:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. They took out the mural.
[32:06] Yeah.
[32:06] >> So, it was a weird movie to market. Uh
[32:08] and we knew it was going to be coming
[32:10] out after Endgame, a movie that in many
[32:12] lay people's minds was like the end of
[32:14] the MCU. So, it's like why are we still
[32:16] extending?
[32:17] >> I mean, even those final credits, right?
[32:18] It's like got everyone's signature at
[32:20] the end. You just hear Iron Man's hammer
[32:22] at the end. It's like I think to a very
[32:25] casual member, you know, MCU fan that's
[32:28] like, "Okay, well, they're done.
[32:29] >> I've seen All I Need to See." And for a
[32:31] while it was like, "Well, maybe we did."
[32:33] >> But it was like where at the same time
[32:34] we also had to be like, "Well, this
[32:36] Spider-Man kid story has to continue."
[32:38] >> Um, so we were presented this movie and
[32:41] the movie does come out in July of 2019.
[32:44] uh two months after Endgame comes out
[32:46] and here's what ends up happening in
[32:48] Spider-Man Far From Home. We begin the
[32:49] movie in Mexico where Nick Fury, Samuela
[32:52] Jackson, and Maria Hill, Kobe Soldiers,
[32:53] show up uh and they meet Quinton Beck,
[32:56] Mysterio, played by Jake Gyllenhaal,
[32:58] while he's investigating some attack by
[32:59] these things that we think are called
[33:01] elementals that are, you know, some kind
[33:03] of Sandmanesque creature that's not
[33:05] Sandman. Um uh Nick Fury learns that
[33:08] Quinton Beck is a superhero from a
[33:09] parallel version of Earth, according to
[33:11] him. Yeah. who's come to our universe to
[33:13] fight these elementals before they
[33:15] destroy this earth like his earth was
[33:17] destroyed. Uh we're back in Queens now
[33:19] and then Peter and Ned and and MJ.
[33:22] They're all dealing with the uh the life
[33:24] post blip. There have been some
[33:26] characters who continue to age up 5
[33:28] years and some kids who have stayed the
[33:30] same age like Peter Parker and Ned and
[33:32] MJ.
[33:32] >> And this movie has to like do so much.
[33:35] This is the first movie after Endgame
[33:38] which we all loved and it was great. And
[33:39] then you have like all these questions
[33:40] of like, wait, how does it how did it
[33:43] work? This movie coined the blip cuz I
[33:45] think at this point we were also calling
[33:47] it the snap.
[33:48] >> We called it the snap or the dusting.
[33:49] This movie called it the blip.
[33:50] >> And it it's funny that like this movie
[33:52] comes in with like not a scientist. It's
[33:54] not Eric Selvig explaining how it all
[33:55] worked. It's like the morning news
[33:57] report. It's Betty Allen.
[33:58] >> It's all done for Betty uh Brandt.
[34:01] >> Betty Brandt. I almost said Betty Ross
[34:02] and that's someone else. Someone else.
[34:04] Betty Brandt is explaining in these
[34:05] hilarious Midtown High things that is
[34:07] another staple of the trilogy.
[34:09] >> You got one kid who's like got, you
[34:11] know, the the blip when I turned pretty
[34:12] basically like Brad.
[34:14] >> Yeah, he's grown up.
[34:15] >> Freaking Brad.
[34:16] >> We get to see the moment. Uh this is
[34:18] like the first time we see blip fiction
[34:20] in the MCU. And I wish we explored this
[34:22] more of like characters returning in the
[34:24] middle of a marching band. Like marching
[34:26] band kids return in the middle of a
[34:27] basketball game. We hear
[34:29] >> you compare this to like you compare
[34:31] this to like Yolena's like traumatic
[34:34] what happened to her in the blip or or
[34:36] uh uh Ram Maria Rambo's mother dusting
[34:39] away, you know? It's like or Monica
[34:41] Rambo, she comes back, the hospital's
[34:43] all panicked.
[34:43] >> Yeah. Like this is like, wow, we're at a
[34:45] basketball game. Woohoo.
[34:47] >> And that little Brad Allen wimpy kid is
[34:49] now a hunk. What the heck? Um but Peter
[34:52] Peter's also grieving the loss of Tony
[34:54] Stark. Uh everybody is just kind of uh
[34:57] saying, "Hey, you know what? Let's do a
[34:58] summer trip to Europe. We immediately
[35:01] leave New York.
[35:01] >> It's like a science trip basically.
[35:03] >> Yes. It's like a research trip, but also
[35:05] we're going to museums and and other
[35:07] things, you know, Europe famous.
[35:08] >> I mean, they they JB Smooth calls out
[35:11] like, "We've done no science on this
[35:12] science [laughter] trip, which is very
[35:14] funny."
[35:14] >> So, the movie kind of has like a
[35:15] randomness to it that I think a lot of
[35:17] people when they revisit it like, "What
[35:19] the hell is this movie?"
[35:20] >> I mean, you know what? This is like this
[35:22] is Spider-Man tax breaks is what it is.
[35:24] >> [laughter]
[35:24] >> Yeah,
[35:25] >> the Czech Republic gave a nice check to
[35:27] come shoot over in Prague. [gasps]
[35:29] >> So, we go to Venice, Italy first, where
[35:31] a water elemental attack. It's not
[35:33] hydroman, it's a water elemental.
[35:34] Mysterio subdues it, but kind of in a
[35:37] way that seems overly destructive to
[35:39] this historic architecture of of Venice.
[35:42] Peter's able to help. Um, he has to wear
[35:44] this comedia delarte mask that I think
[35:46] is very fun. Uh, a bell tower nearly or
[35:49] it does end up collapsing.
[35:50] >> Yeah, he drops it eventually.
[35:52] >> You got to be careful in the
[35:52] architecture event. The whole city's
[35:54] sinking. Um, but Fury, Nick Fury catches
[35:57] up with Peter and gives him this gift
[35:59] from Tony Stark. A controversial gift in
[36:02] the eyes of many Marvel fans. Edith.
[36:05] Edith. All uh, even dead I'm the hero.
[36:08] >> Um, a pair of high-tech glasses that
[36:10] interface seamlessly with a global web
[36:12] of Stark tech. Peter can kind of, it's
[36:14] almost like um, X-ray specs where Peter
[36:16] can kind of
[36:17] >> he can read people's text messages. He
[36:19] can assign killer drone. It's basically
[36:21] Ronald Reagan's Star Wars program
[36:23] connected and it you know this movie
[36:26] establishes that later that like the
[36:27] DODC takes all this stuff but it's kind
[36:29] of funny that like Tony set this up
[36:31] >> and it was like did the government even
[36:32] know about these things? I don't know.
[36:34] >> It's one of like a lot of people
[36:35] consider it one of the biggest mistakes
[36:36] of the MCU like why would Tony Stark I
[36:39] know he trusts Peter Parker that is an
[36:41] insanely powerful
[36:42] >> didn't know he was going to die that
[36:44] day. Okay,
[36:45] >> even dead I'm the hero. He put dead in
[36:47] the name of the game. is also like when
[36:49] you really think about it, it's like he
[36:51] set this all up. Did he do it during the
[36:53] blip? Like thinking like eventually
[36:56] Peter Parker will come back. Did he do
[36:57] this before the snap?
[36:59] >> He did. No, he didn't do it before the
[37:01] snap. He did it when um he was unlocking
[37:04] time travel during Endgame and he sees
[37:06] the Peter or the photo of Peter
[37:08] >> and at some point while he's coming up
[37:09] with those wristwatches, he's like, "You
[37:10] know what? I might die during the time
[37:12] heist. I'm going to set up this thing
[37:14] and tell Nick McFury about it for Peter
[37:16] if I can get assuming I can get Peter
[37:18] Parker back.
[37:19] >> I'm going to have this thing. So, he's
[37:21] that confident that they were going to
[37:22] be able to reverse.
[37:23] >> He had talked to him in 5 years. He's
[37:24] like, I think that kid was good. He was
[37:26] a good kid. I don't know. I bet he's
[37:28] drinking.
[37:29] >> He didn't give it to Pepper or his
[37:30] daughter when she would turn 18. He gave
[37:32] it to a 17-year-old.
[37:33] >> Pepper could barely get the thing out of
[37:34] his chest without freaking out. I'm not
[37:36] going to give her the glasses.
[37:37] >> Could have given it to Happy Hogan, his
[37:38] head of security.
[37:39] >> No. Happy Hogan. No. Absolutely.
[37:42] >> He could have dismantled the technology.
[37:44] That would have been a smarter way to do
[37:45] >> that. I mean, he still wants to put a
[37:46] shield of armor around the world like
[37:48] >> he's even when he's dead.
[37:49] >> Even when he's dead, he's the hero.
[37:51] >> It's insane. So, uh they're on their way
[37:52] to Prague now and now a fire elemental
[37:55] attacks uh while they're on the ferris
[37:56] wheel. And that's where we learn night
[37:58] monkey, the term that Ned comes up.
[38:00] That's telling because Ned and Betty are
[38:02] kind of dating in this movie.
[38:03] >> Yeah.
[38:04] >> Very fun. So, Night Monkey, Peter, and
[38:05] Quinton Beck fight off this monster
[38:08] again. And while celebrating afterwards,
[38:09] Peter decides that he's not ready to be
[38:11] the new Tony Stark. But Beck is and
[38:13] Peter stupidly gives this stranger the
[38:16] Edith glasses.
[38:17] >> Well, I you know, I I buy the reasoning.
[38:21] It makes sense. You know, he has lost
[38:23] Tony, he's distraught. It's a lot of
[38:26] pressure. You know, when he's at the
[38:28] feast uh banquet earlier and everyone's
[38:30] like, "Are you the new Iron Man? Are are
[38:32] you an Avenger? Like, who's going to
[38:34] save us? What if these things come
[38:35] back?" Like these are people who have
[38:37] been traumatized for decades in the MCU
[38:39] and it there's a lot of pressure on him
[38:41] and he sees a guy who is like Iron Man,
[38:44] you know, he's like a mix of Iron Man
[38:46] and Doctor Strange. He's like, "This guy
[38:48] is here. He's competent. He knows how to
[38:50] deal with a threat. I shouldn't have
[38:51] this stuff." And he reads into the card
[38:54] that you know uh Tony left him that's
[38:57] like you know what to do kind of thing.
[38:59] and he sees it as like Tony knew that I
[39:02] wasn't ready but knew I would know who
[39:04] is ready.
[39:05] >> Yeah.
[39:06] >> Um this leads to one of the big twists
[39:08] of the movie that Quinton Beck is a
[39:11] complete liar about being from a
[39:12] parallel earth. He's actually a
[39:14] disgruntled former Stark employee. The
[39:16] guy who invented Barf but did not name
[39:18] it Barf.
[39:19] >> Great sequence.
[39:20] >> Completely furious that Tony Stark
[39:22] called it binary augmented retroframing
[39:24] the barf. Um, and that he's got a whole
[39:27] team of disgruntled Stark in uh
[39:28] employees, including William
[39:29] Gintterriva, all the way back from Iron
[39:31] Man 1, played by Peter Billings Leaf,
[39:33] the kid from the Christmas Story. Uh,
[39:35] he's running these hollow projector
[39:37] technology there. All these actors have
[39:39] been stalking Peter in the background
[39:41] throughout the movie, which is a really
[39:42] fun thing to discover as you rewatch it.
[39:45] Um, they were following him in uh
[39:47] Venice. You do see um Jake Gyllenhaal in
[39:50] the background when Peter's buying the
[39:51] necklace. It's just kind of fun little
[39:53] Easter eggs there. Uh, and really what
[39:55] they're going to do is use the tech that
[39:56] ETH gives to give Mysterio access in
[39:58] order to stage all these Avengers level
[40:00] events, these threats so that he can be
[40:02] the hero uh, and and become like the
[40:06] rightful kind of Avenger that he wants
[40:07] to be. Um, Peter figures this out thanks
[40:10] to a piece of debris that MJ has found
[40:12] in Prague. Uh, yes, MJ in this movie
[40:15] clearly discovers that Peter is
[40:17] Spider-Man. It's a nice reveal that like
[40:19] I know you're Spider-Man.
[40:20] >> Yeah, she's known for a while. Uh, so
[40:21] Peter goes to Berlin to try to warn Nick
[40:23] Fury and confront Quinton Beck. But the
[40:25] whole thing is another illusion by
[40:27] Quinton Beck. Uh, this incredible
[40:29] hallucinatory montage that is really
[40:32] fun.
[40:33] >> Fun and very Mysterio. Like that's great
[40:36] comic book stuff.
[40:37] >> Yeah, a lot of it is like Frame Store
[40:38] VFX, but it's kind of a beautifully
[40:40] designed sequence.
[40:41] >> Um, and it successfully works on Peter.
[40:45] He reveals that MJ and Ned are aware of
[40:46] the truth and eventually uh Peter gets
[40:48] completely sideswiped by a train. Uh so
[40:51] Peter wakes up in rural Holland like the
[40:53] actor's name with some uh Netherlands
[40:56] soccer fans.
[40:58] Everyone's super friendly in Holland.
[40:59] Great.
[41:00] >> Yep. And then he reconnects with Happy
[41:01] Hogan in a tulip field. Uh
[41:03] >> yeah, that was rude by the way, landing
[41:05] in the tulip
[41:06] >> crunch. That's someone's business.
[41:08] Um, so Happy gives Peter a pretty solid
[41:11] pep talk on the jet and uses the the
[41:14] suit or the
[41:15] >> the fabricator
[41:16] >> the fabricator in the back of the of the
[41:18] jet to build a new suit that Peter
[41:19] designs. And then they fly to London and
[41:22] Peter arrives just in time as Beck is
[41:24] staging a massive elemental attack on
[41:25] Tower Bridge. Uh, Peter shorts out the
[41:28] drones and reveals the attack for the
[41:29] illusion that it really is. While
[41:31] fighting Peter, Beck is shot by a drone
[41:34] and dies. There's a really cool move
[41:35] where Peter doesn't fall for the trick
[41:37] and uses a Spidey sense to grab the gun
[41:40] that's being pointed at his head.
[41:41] Terrified. He was about to get shot in
[41:42] the head via Kong style. It was insane.
[41:44] That would have been wild. Uh Peter gets
[41:46] the Edith glasses back and all the kids
[41:48] make it back home to New York. Ned and
[41:50] Betty just break up.
[41:52] >> Doesn't last long.
[41:52] >> That's very healthy.
[41:54] >> And we end the movie with some webs
[41:56] slinging through Manhattan with MJ. It's
[41:59] great. But then we go straight to a
[42:00] mid-credit scene
[42:01] >> that sets up the third movie. Quinton
[42:03] Beck had a poshumous gift for Peter,
[42:04] pinning the whole London attack on him
[42:06] and revealing his true identity to the
[42:07] world as Peter Parker. And then a
[42:09] postredit scene reveals that the Nick
[42:11] Fury and Maria Hill throughout this
[42:12] movie have actually been scrolls in
[42:14] disguise the whole time and that Nick
[42:15] Fury is actually on a scroll space
[42:18] station looking for his shoes. Something
[42:19] that doesn't really get delivered on
[42:21] until I guess Secret Invasion, but we
[42:23] never really see that space station.
[42:24] >> No, cuz that's not Saber. Cuz the space
[42:27] station we see in the Marvels is not
[42:29] that space station.
[42:30] >> It's weird. This is after we met scrolls
[42:32] in Captain Marvel.
[42:33] >> This is like a fully scroll ship. I
[42:35] think I took it as to be like this is a
[42:36] scroll ship.
[42:37] >> It's a scroll ship. We thought this was
[42:39] going to led to secret invasion. Never
[42:41] really
[42:42] >> did leave.
[42:42] >> It kind of did, but we don't see that
[42:44] ship again.
[42:45] >> We see him on a different space station
[42:47] in the Marvels,
[42:48] >> but that's not a scroll space station.
[42:50] It's weird. This was a very weird
[42:52] >> It's a very weird reveal. And like this
[42:54] is kind of a hint that, you know, phase
[42:57] 4 is going to be a little all over the
[42:59] place. And this is the beginning of like
[43:01] Kevin Feige getting stretched very thin
[43:03] and like storylines being planted and
[43:05] then not coming through and and then of
[43:07] course a pandemic will hit which will
[43:09] change release dates and things will
[43:11] have to get reworked and it it gets a
[43:13] little messy from here on out.
[43:14] >> I mean we had we had um MTO saying too
[43:17] many sorcerers that we assumed would be
[43:19] addressed in the second Doctor Strange
[43:21] movie. We had this that we assumed would
[43:22] be addressed in the future. And when
[43:24] these sequels came out to these movies
[43:25] and didn't address it at all,
[43:27] >> it was very weird. That's when people
[43:29] were like, "Uhoh." Uh, specifically,
[43:31] like I could even uh give a pass to
[43:33] James Gun's postredit. He had five post
[43:35] credit scenes at the end of Guardians of
[43:36] the Galaxy Volume 2,
[43:38] >> and pretty much all of them were
[43:39] addressed. You had Adam Warlock come out
[43:41] in uh volume 3. You had the Ravagers
[43:43] come back in volume three. Even I
[43:45] believe all of them except for Alita
[43:47] Ogour did show back up. Yeah. you had
[43:50] Mainframe uh and you had um uh the the
[43:54] sorcerer crew show up. You had Martin X
[43:56] show up. Um so like James Gunn did a
[43:59] good job delivering and bringing back
[44:00] enough of his characters.
[44:02] >> Um but
[44:04] >> uh yeah, this this Nick Fury scroll
[44:07] reveal was very weird and it felt like a
[44:08] one for you. I mean JK Simmons showed up
[44:10] in the mid-credit scene. It was very
[44:12] very exciting.
[44:13] >> Yes. um u revealing that JK Simmons is
[44:16] the only actor who can play Jay Jonah
[44:17] Jameson in any
[44:19] >> any Marvel timeline.
[44:20] >> Yeah.
[44:20] >> Um it was the scroll one where people
[44:23] were like, "Wait, what?"
[44:24] >> Yeah. And I you know, I think Sony has a
[44:26] dubious history with their postredit
[44:28] scenes and Spider-Man movies. So,
[44:30] >> you know, I I don't know how much like
[44:32] they checked in with Marvel on all of
[44:34] this. You know, I think it I don't know
[44:36] how much of it was like, oh, they're
[44:37] gonna do a scroll thing with Nick Fury
[44:40] or like we need Nick Fury to be dumb
[44:42] enough to fall for Mysterio that we have
[44:44] to replace him with. It's this it's kind
[44:47] of implied in this movie that like, man,
[44:49] the last five years were really rough.
[44:50] Everyone's taking a vacation
[44:53] >> and Spider-Man has to kind of deal with
[44:54] us a lot of this stuff. There's also a
[44:56] great deleted scene in this movie. I
[44:58] don't know why they deleted it. when
[44:59] Spider-Man's getting ready to go to uh
[45:02] overseas. He has to get his passport and
[45:04] stuff and he like fights a crime family
[45:06] in his Iron Spider suit and it's very
[45:08] cool. They kind of It's not The effects
[45:10] aren't fully finished on it, but it's a
[45:11] fun sequence that I wish they had kept
[45:13] in the movie.
[45:14] >> It was the Man Freddy's.
[45:15] >> Oh, it was the Man Freddy's
[45:16] >> Silverman who ends up being a villain in
[45:17] Spider Noir. Yeah, but it would have
[45:19] been a different version of the movie
[45:20] for sure. I I It looks like a really
[45:23] cool sequence. I wish they kept it in.
[45:24] Um this
[45:25] >> Yeah, this whole movie is like, "Oh,
[45:27] this is great and I love all this. I
[45:28] love what Mysterio is doing. You could
[45:30] have done this in New York. I I Yeah.
[45:32] Putting it overseas. There's some kind
[45:33] of specious reasoning of like it it's
[45:35] more believable. It happened somewhere
[45:37] else, but like and I guess they Quinton
[45:40] Beck knew that Peter was going to they
[45:43] find out that he's getting Edith. It
[45:44] pisses them all off. So, they come up
[45:46] with a scheme and they know he's going
[45:48] overseas for this trip and they're like,
[45:49] "Well, it'll it'll work better overseas,
[45:52] so we're going to do it over there." I
[45:53] don't know. It's a lot of difficult
[45:55] field producing that they have to do to
[45:57] find like warehouses in different cities
[45:59] in Europe to be able to do all this and
[46:01] successfully pull it off. It it's it's a
[46:04] little campy and goofy to imagine that
[46:07] they use this hollow tech that like
[46:09] these drones are perfectly silent that
[46:11] they have noise cancelling frequencies
[46:13] and Peter's Spidey sense is just that
[46:15] often.
[46:15] >> Well, they do establish in the movie his
[46:17] tingle is
[46:18] >> his tingle. Right. Right. And I and I
[46:20] appreciate that. Honestly, when I
[46:21] watched this movie, I wasn't really
[46:23] affected by the logic of it. I really
[46:25] quite liked it when it came out. I was
[46:26] one of the defenders cuz people were
[46:28] saying like, "That movie sucked. That
[46:29] movie was mid." I I really did like
[46:31] >> to be the first movie after Endgame. I
[46:33] mean, who what pressure?
[46:36] >> I I really like the whole themes of like
[46:38] perception versus blindness and how like
[46:40] grief is something that can blind you.
[46:42] It can Look, wanting an Avenger mentor
[46:44] figure can kind of put these blinders on
[46:47] for like the stuff staring you right in
[46:49] the face. Uh, so I I like that idea that
[46:51] like even the Edith glasses were kind of
[46:53] like the the Wizard of Oz green tinted
[46:56] glasses that blinds people in Oz from
[46:58] seeing the obvious like deceit and
[47:00] corruption. Um,
[47:01] >> and you can establish that like that,
[47:04] you know, third act sequence of him kind
[47:05] of closing his eyes and focusing and
[47:07] like trusting his his Spidey sense that
[47:10] leads to him in the third movie, you
[47:12] know, being aware that Green Goblin has
[47:14] returned in the apartment, you know, and
[47:16] he has that [clears throat] great moment
[47:17] of like something is off like, you know,
[47:20] it it's a good I like that pattern in
[47:22] the MCU of like, you know, something
[47:24] that happened in the previous movie
[47:26] affects how they change in the next
[47:28] movie. You see it the most with like
[47:30] Iron Man where every movie he changes
[47:32] his suit based on what happened in the
[47:34] previous movie. Yeah. To make it more
[47:35] effective. They do that well in the
[47:37] Spider-Man movies where like his
[47:38] experience teaches him to be a better
[47:40] Spider-Man.
[47:40] >> Yeah. Um we It's hard to know if
[47:44] Mysterio actually dies at the end of
[47:45] this movie. Um he
[47:47] >> We could be being fooled.
[47:48] >> It could be a fool. We Mysterio could
[47:50] still be alive somewhere out there. We
[47:51] don't know for sure.
[47:52] >> There's a lot in the third movie, right,
[47:53] that of like Mysterio was right kind of
[47:55] like we trust Mysterio. That's right.
[47:58] And and Mysterio's whole story of being
[48:00] a multiverse man is something that is
[48:02] kind of like our first wink for Peter
[48:03] Parker trusting the multiverse or being
[48:06] unsure about the multiverse.
[48:08] >> And he even says this is our 616, which
[48:11] is kind of wild. Yeah.
[48:12] >> He says he's from 833, not 838, which
[48:16] would come back in Doctor Strange, but
[48:19] just kind of like the 616 thing is like,
[48:21] oh, that is fascinating. How does he
[48:23] know the numerical? He knows what 838 is
[48:26] calling
[48:27] >> the MCU that they're calling it 616.
[48:29] >> Right. It's just kind of interesting
[48:30] that like there's someone out there like
[48:32] it wasn't Christine Palmer who invented
[48:34] right from 838 who invented 616 that
[48:37] like somewhere else out there like the
[48:39] watcher or people within these universes
[48:41] are using that number.
[48:42] >> The watcher influences whoever is aware
[48:45] of the MCU and they just kind of
[48:46] instinct instinctively just number 616.
[48:50] >> It's weird. It's very weird and
[48:51] coincidental and fun. Well, and I think
[48:53] they kind of did it to to keep the
[48:56] audience on their toes a little bit to
[48:57] be like,
[48:58] >> you know, the MCU is very subversive
[49:00] with a lot of its characters and changes
[49:02] their history and ever since like the
[49:04] Mandarin, right? Like we can't ever
[49:05] trust
[49:07] >> uh that a a character's story is what it
[49:10] is. So, by telling the audience that
[49:12] like, yeah, this guy knows about the
[49:14] multiverse and he knows that this is
[49:16] Earth 616, we're kind of thinking like,
[49:18] well, maybe Mysterio in this in the MCU
[49:21] is an actual powered individual. It just
[49:24] helps with the reveal later. It really
[49:25] does.
[49:26] >> It's um it's an effective movie. It it
[49:28] doesn't really hold up as well as the
[49:31] other two movies. It's just a little
[49:33] silly and it's like you're right, it
[49:34] doesn't need to be in these European
[49:35] settings, but they're trying to make
[49:36] these global hits that like audiences
[49:38] everywhere can kind of see the way like
[49:41] James Bond is like a global brand. It's
[49:43] fun to see international locations. The
[49:44] movie does very well. It makes over a
[49:46] billion dollars. Um, and I don't want to
[49:48] dwell too much on it just because I I
[49:50] feel like it mostly sets up the third
[49:52] movie and I don't think there's specific
[49:53] stuff in this movie that's gonna come
[49:54] back to.
[49:54] >> And again, I think it was smart to set
[49:56] it not in because if it was in New York,
[49:58] I would have love for it to be in New
[49:59] York, but if it was in New York, you
[50:00] would just be going like, "Well, where's
[50:01] this character? Where's that character?"
[50:03] You know, it makes sense that like it's
[50:05] just overseas and they don't have any
[50:06] heroes overseas. Sorry guys.
[50:07] >> Um, let's move on to the third movie in
[50:09] the trilogy that I do think will be more
[50:11] important for Doomsday and Secret Wars,
[50:13] Spider-Man: No Way Home. This is
[50:15] directed by John Watts, written by Chris
[50:17] McKenna and Eric Summers. It came out
[50:19] December 17th, 2021.
[50:21] >> Uh the movie that kind of brought us
[50:23] back from COVID.
[50:24] >> Yeah.
[50:24] >> Uh people were going to that movie
[50:26] Unmasked did not care. They had to see
[50:28] what happened.
[50:29] >> Packed theater.
[50:30] >> This the we'll talk about the whole like
[50:32] craze of the rumors leading up to this
[50:34] movie. Uh but No Way Home starts with a
[50:35] postredit scene of Far From Home picking
[50:37] up in the immediate aftermath of Jonah
[50:39] Jameson JK Simmons revealing that
[50:40] Peter's identity is Spider or Spider-Man
[50:43] is Peter Parker. Uh, huge pain in the
[50:45] ass for everybody. The DODC arrests
[50:47] Peter and May, MJ and Ned. Um, and they
[50:51] confiscate all the Stark tech, but
[50:54] luckily uh they get defended by Charlie
[50:58] Cox as Matt Murdoch shows up in a crazy
[51:00] cameo in this movie, defends Peter
[51:02] Parker, and also has to defend Happy
[51:04] Hogan. Uh, but a a consequence of this
[51:06] is everybody's applications to MIT get
[51:08] rejected. Peter asks Dr. Strange,
[51:10] Benedict Cumberbatch, to make everybody
[51:11] forget his identity. Uh, Dr. Strange
[51:14] casts the runes of cough call spell, but
[51:16] Peter keeps adding sub clauses to it and
[51:17] causes it to go ary. So there's like
[51:20] riffs in the multiverse that are
[51:21] starting to form. Um Wong calls it the
[51:24] the border between known and unknown
[51:26] realities that this this spell dances
[51:30] between, but they have said that they're
[51:31] they've used it before. There's like a
[51:33] moon partyage that he kind of
[51:36] >> I mean and this movie really establishes
[51:38] why Wong should be the sorcerer supreme
[51:40] and not Dr. Steven Strange, a guy who
[51:42] just got his powers a few years ago.
[51:44] This spell ends up pulling people who
[51:46] know Peter's identity from other
[51:48] universes uh into the 616 universe.
[51:51] Starting with Otto Octavius, Alfred
[51:52] Molina and Norman Osborne, William Defoe
[51:55] and Flint Marco, Thomas Hayden Church,
[51:57] Max Dylan, Jamie Fox, and Dr. Kurt
[51:59] Connor's uh Reciphants from the 2012
[52:02] film. They got all the save actors back.
[52:05] We call them the multiverse men in this
[52:07] movie. So Peter, MJ, and Ned have to
[52:08] work together to find and trap all these
[52:10] multiverse intruders in this dungeon
[52:12] under Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum.
[52:13] Doctor Strange preps a device to undo
[52:15] the spell that brought them here. But
[52:17] Peter then realizes that they're all
[52:19] going to die when they go back to their
[52:21] home reality. So he steals the device
[52:23] and Peter and Strange battle in the
[52:24] mirror dimension. Peter is able to
[52:26] defeat Doctor Strange just using basic
[52:28] calculus and geometry. Uh he escapes
[52:30] with the device. He's determined to save
[52:32] and uh save these multiversal travelers
[52:34] and takes everyone up to Happyy's
[52:36] apartment where he works with the others
[52:38] to try to cure them. But the Green
[52:39] Goblin identity takes over for Norman
[52:41] Osborne. Uh and that's what leads to
[52:44] this incredible Spidey sequence where
[52:46] the camera work is just really cool. I
[52:47] was I think
[52:48] >> so different than what we're used to in
[52:49] the Spider-Man movies.
[52:50] >> Yeah, I think my favorite
[52:52] >> brutal fight.
[52:53] >> A brutal fight. Just uh William Defo, I
[52:56] think deserved an Oscar nomination for
[52:57] this. He's just getting punched in the
[52:58] face and smiling more and more.
[53:00] >> Just crazy. Like you forget in, you
[53:02] know, in the first Spider-Man, he is
[53:03] making a super soldier serum. Like the
[53:05] big mcguffin of the MCU, it's kind of
[53:07] funny how precient it was all the way
[53:10] back in like 2000 for for them to
[53:12] establish that.
[53:13] >> It's so great. He throws a pumpkin
[53:15] grenade that ends up killing Aunt May.
[53:17] Yeah.
[53:17] >> And Marissa Toé hits him with with great
[53:20] power there must also come great
[53:21] responsibility.
[53:22] >> Correct.
[53:23] >> The original Stanley phrasing of the
[53:25] line. So Peter is
[53:26] >> and it's a good fake out, too, cuz you
[53:28] think she's going to be okay. She gets
[53:29] up, they're going to leave and then like
[53:31] >> turns around. She's got a big [ __ ]
[53:33] hole in her head.
[53:34] >> Her brains are oozing out like
[53:36] Targaryen.
[53:37] >> Yeah.
[53:37] >> Trying to seal it up.
[53:39] >> Uh uh. It wasn't velar. It was Bor. Why
[53:42] did I say velar?
[53:43] >> Spoiler alert.
[53:43] >> Yeah, spoiler if you watched N seven
[53:45] Kingdoms. U meanwhile, Ned uses a sling
[53:48] ring that he stole from Doctor Strange
[53:49] to open up another portal to just he
[53:52] wants to find Peter
[53:53] >> and he does, but it's not the Peter he's
[53:55] looking for. Turns out this is Andrew
[53:57] Garfield Peter Parker. And another
[53:59] sparkle portal opens and it's Tobey
[54:01] Magcguire Peter Parker. Yes, they had
[54:03] also got transported to this universe
[54:04] and have been around in this New York
[54:07] just wandering around for a few days.
[54:09] >> Um MJ and Ned take these other Peters to
[54:11] where our Peter is on the rooftop
[54:13] grieving Aunt May and they kind of talk
[54:14] him down from revenge. We get all these
[54:16] great little hints of what their lives
[54:18] have been like since we last saw them.
[54:20] Poor Andrew Garfield Peter Parker
[54:21] apparently got it got dark for him. stop
[54:23] stop started or stopped pulling his
[54:25] punches just [laughter]
[54:27] >> so then we uh get all three Peters
[54:29] working together on cures for their
[54:31] super villains in the science lab. We
[54:33] get the point meme that I now have on
[54:35] the shirt they recreated it from Into
[54:37] the Spider-Verse. Uh we find out that
[54:39] Toby McGuire Peter worked things out
[54:40] with his MJ, his Kurs and Dunce MJ that
[54:43] he beat the crap out of in Spider-Man 3.
[54:45] So it's kind of
[54:46] >> he claims he worked I mean he could be
[54:47] lying to you. I think we made a joke. I
[54:49] think Jess and I did that he straight up
[54:50] killed her and he's just saying, "Yeah,
[54:52] everything's fine."
[54:52] >> Oh, my MJ's fine. I don't know. You guys
[54:54] aren't going to come over to my
[54:55] universe right?
[54:57] >> Yeah. Uh, you have her blood underneath
[54:59] your fingernails. What the What did you
[55:01] do to her? Um, but then the Spider-Man
[55:03] stage a showdown at the Statue of
[55:05] Liberty that throughout the movie has
[55:06] been set up. They did a restoration
[55:07] project to its original copper. Um, and
[55:10] >> and they're adding a Captain America
[55:12] shield.
[55:12] >> A Captain America shield to it. It's
[55:14] insane.
[55:14] >> Do you think the French got a word on
[55:16] that? Like, you can't change it. They
[55:18] gave it as a gift. We can do it.
[55:20] >> It's a gift we gave you.
[55:22] >> Um, and then uh so they work together to
[55:25] try to cure these villains one by one.
[55:27] It's one of the greatest sequences where
[55:28] they're all working together. They're on
[55:29] the scaffolding talking about what life
[55:31] is like in their other dimensions.
[55:33] Really fun. Uh we learn there's
[55:35] comparing notes. They're like, "Wow, you
[55:37] fought Thanos. You fought a purple
[55:38] alien. That's crazy. I didn't have that
[55:39] in my dimension." He's like, "Well, I
[55:40] did have a villain or I did have an
[55:42] alien. It was called Venom." A lot of
[55:44] really fun references here. Um, and then
[55:47] in in these different little
[55:47] conversations, we have a moment where
[55:49] Andrew Garfield Spider-Man's talking to
[55:50] Jamie Fox saying like, "I think there's
[55:52] a black Spider-Man somewhere out there."
[55:54] Uh, they recreate the the Gwen Stacy
[55:56] fall where Andrew Garfield's able to
[55:57] catch MJ. It's so great. Get that
[56:00] healing moment where he's crying. She's
[56:02] like, "Are you okay?"
[56:03] >> Yeah.
[56:04] >> It's just one of the most incredible
[56:05] sequences. It's just so much payoff.
[56:07] >> Seeing like three live action
[56:09] Spider-Mans like working together,
[56:10] swinging off each other.
[56:11] >> Yeah. Figuring it out.
[56:13] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[56:13] >> Uh, kind of. I love I love that moment
[56:15] where they're like we I the other two
[56:17] are especially are like we don't know
[56:18] how to work with other heroes.
[56:20] >> He's like what's an adventure? Like it's
[56:21] so great. [laughter]
[56:22] >> And that's where like Tom Holland could
[56:23] step up and be like I know how to work
[56:25] as a team.
[56:26] >> Yes. And then they they're we see them
[56:28] learning throughout this battle of how
[56:29] to kind of work in sync with each other
[56:31] using their tingles to kind of to
[56:33] connect on their collective Wi-Fi. Uh
[56:35] the goblin though shows up destroys the
[56:37] device that Strange had. He stuffs a
[56:39] pumpkin grenade in there.
[56:40] >> That's a great
[56:41] >> great moment. the three different shots
[56:43] of them realizing it. Um, and it just
[56:45] causes this massive multiversal rift to
[56:47] rematerialize in the sky. Uh, for our
[56:50] Peter, uh, he's furious. He comes close
[56:52] to killing killing Norman Osborne, uh,
[56:55] with the glider. An incredible moment,
[56:58] but, uh, Toby comes in and just gives
[57:00] him that stern face.
[57:00] >> Yeah. Just holds it and him.
[57:03] >> So heartbreaking and wonderful. Peter
[57:05] realized that the only way to patch the
[57:06] rift is to have Strange just cast the
[57:08] original Runes of Cough Call spell
[57:09] again, even though it will cause
[57:10] everybody forget to forget who he is.
[57:13] So, after a tearful goodbye to MJ and
[57:14] Ned, the spell is complete. Everybody
[57:16] goes home. The the two there's a group
[57:19] hug, but the other two Peters go back
[57:20] home to their universes. Uh, and yeah,
[57:22] that does mean that like Norman Osborne
[57:25] is going to die. He's going to get hit
[57:26] by the glider when he goes back. That
[57:28] Auto Octavius is going to die in the
[57:30] river.
[57:30] >> You don't think it changes their
[57:32] outcomes when they get back? They just
[57:33] go back and they're like, "No, I'm good
[57:34] now."
[57:35] >> I think they have to just die. That was
[57:36] how things ended.
[57:37] >> But But Marco didn't die. Some of the
[57:40] the little species,
[57:42] >> he did die sometime later in the future.
[57:44] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[57:44] >> There's a little There's a little bit of
[57:46] like, you didn't just rewatch these
[57:48] movies [laughter]
[57:50] >> uh, so but Peter now ends this movie
[57:52] completely anonymous. He goes to MJ's
[57:55] doughnut shop. He tries to work up the
[57:56] nerve to explain to her that they knew
[57:58] each other, but he doesn't go through
[57:59] with it. But she still wears the broken
[58:01] black dollia necklace. So part of her
[58:02] still knows that she loves someone out
[58:04] there. This is all thing these are all
[58:06] things that gonna be picked up with in
[58:08] uh in Spider-Man Brand New Day. But yes,
[58:10] MJ and Ned do go to M MIT. Peter just
[58:13] gets his G from like a home test prep
[58:15] thing and gets a gets an apartment in
[58:17] the city. Um
[58:18] >> who's the landlord of this apartment? Is
[58:20] the door
[58:21] >> Mr. Ditco? Who knows?
[58:22] >> Is the door working? That's what I want
[58:24] to know. But he's got a new DIY suit
[58:25] that he designed based off of his other
[58:27] two Peter brothers that he met. Uh, and
[58:30] he's whipping in the snow despite being
[58:32] probably freezing his ass off. There's
[58:34] no Stark warmers in that listening to
[58:36] the police scanner. It's exciting. Um,
[58:37] but yes, let's not forget that in this
[58:39] movie there is a drunken Eddie Brock who
[58:41] uh who goes to a Mexican cantina that
[58:44] gets picked up with Venom: The Last
[58:46] Dance.
[58:47] >> Well, this was this was already
[58:49] answering the second Venom movie that
[58:51] zapped him into this universe. And Kevin
[58:53] Feige had to be like, "Get him out of
[58:55] here.
[58:57] >> Get him out of here."
[58:58] >> So, we got that [laughter] all gets
[59:00] answered. And the true postredit scene
[59:01] of this movie is a trailer for Doctor
[59:03] Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
[59:04] >> with with the crow that they got out OF
[59:06] THAT MOVIE. [screaming]
[59:09] >> UM, but yeah, it really did feel like,
[59:11] you know, this was the movie that proved
[59:13] to any of these COVID bleaguered Marvel
[59:16] fans that Endgame is not the end of the
[59:19] Marvel story,
[59:19] >> right? cuz we had had Shani come out
[59:22] during the pandemic and made 40 million
[59:24] that weekend. Eternals came out did not
[59:26] have like a huge weekend. Black Widow
[59:28] was on streaming. Like it's a whole
[59:30] thing
[59:31] >> and and Shani was beloved. Eternals was
[59:34] a little confusing. But like it was
[59:36] Spider-Man No Way Home. We had four
[59:38] Marvel movies that came out in 2021 and
[59:40] No Way Home was like, "Holy [ __ ] there
[59:43] is a multiverse saga that's happening.
[59:45] Doctor Strange is going to be the face
[59:46] of it. we're going straight into
[59:48] Multiverse of Madness where there are
[59:49] going to be X-Men in there. So, we all
[59:51] felt like uh and then that went into W
[59:53] division in the
[59:54] >> early back on track even though the
[59:56] trailer even is like I don't care about
[59:58] Westfield.
[59:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it really felt
[60:00] like with Spider-Man No Way Home that
[60:02] felt like we're having a proper
[60:04] multiverse saga. Um so, like this movie
[60:07] being such a big Doctor Strange movie,
[60:09] we saw variants. We saw returning heroes
[60:11] of Tobey Magcguire and Andrew Garfield
[60:13] returning villains. It really felt like
[60:16] Marvel's actually doing this. We're
[60:18] going to have we're going to have a
[60:19] proper Secret Wars. And so now as we're
[60:21] looking at Doomsday, that's like No Way
[60:23] Home being as successful as it did is
[60:25] what proved to Marvel we can afford to
[60:26] bring back James Marsden and and and
[60:29] >> this works.
[60:30] >> Yeah. And Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckllen,
[60:32] all these guys, Marvel fans want to see
[60:33] them again with the Avengers.
[60:34] >> And it had worked. You know, you guys
[60:36] have covered it already like um uh Days
[60:38] of Future Past had kind of shown that
[60:40] too. That was a very successful X-Men
[60:42] movie in a time when like the X-Men
[60:44] movies were like bouncing around all
[60:45] over the place. So, it's like they
[60:46] definitely knew this would work. Was it
[60:48] after this movie where Feige cuz we were
[60:51] still doing like the phase 4 thing when
[60:54] Feige was like we're kind of done with
[60:55] phases. This is the multiverse saga now.
[60:58] Was that it was it after this movie when
[60:59] they kind of announced they were going
[61:00] to do Kang Dynasty and
[61:03] >> Secret Wars that like
[61:04] >> So, it was uh this movie comes out in
[61:06] December 2021. Back in 2021, we kept
[61:09] hearing like we don't know. COVID is we
[61:12] don't know,
[61:12] >> right? Because we were still told like
[61:14] Black Panther Wakanda Forever was the
[61:16] end of phase 4.
[61:17] >> Yeah, they stopped me was the beginning
[61:19] of phase five.
[61:20] >> They kind of stopped using phase four
[61:22] and five. Um well, we had San Diego
[61:25] Comic- Con in July of 2022.
[61:27] >> Yeah,
[61:28] >> they I it was around that time where
[61:29] they just switched to calling it the
[61:30] Multiverse Saga,
[61:31] >> but that's definitely as a result of how
[61:33] successful this movie was. And Doctor
[61:35] Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was
[61:37] very successful. It did very well.
[61:38] >> It did make a lot of money on Rooted
[61:40] Doomsday.
[61:41] >> We already did.
[61:42] >> Oh, I was I've been jumping through
[61:44] time.
[61:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um but but
[61:46] >> it hasn't come out [laughter] yet in my
[61:47] in my universe. We're shooting this a
[61:49] bit early, but uh yeah, the fact that
[61:51] this movie came together is almost kind
[61:52] of miraculous cuz after Far From Home
[61:55] came out in in September of 2019, you
[61:58] may remember all the reports of like the
[62:00] legal wrangling where talks broke down
[62:03] between Sony and and
[62:05] >> it did seem like it wasn't going to
[62:06] happen,
[62:07] >> right? They were like, "Endgame is over.
[62:09] Far From Home is over. We don't want to
[62:10] do this deal again.
[62:11] >> We want our Spidey Boy back." That all
[62:13] ended with Bob Iger personally calling
[62:15] Tom Holland back when he was still
[62:16] drinking and he was like in the pub and
[62:18] he answered the phone. He goes, "Yeah, I
[62:19] guess I'll come back." And that's what
[62:20] opened up the deals again so that like
[62:22] they could get this deal and it was a
[62:23] deal very much in Disney's favor.
[62:25] >> And that's how we got Bureau, folks. It
[62:27] was 2575%
[62:29] where Marvel would only um uh co-inance
[62:33] it for 25%. Sony would pick up the other
[62:36] 75% but then Marvel would um would like
[62:40] benefit uh in their favor and they would
[62:42] get to feature Spider-Man in their parks
[62:45] and they would get to like um get the
[62:48] merch. The merch was very much in their
[62:49] favor which is where all the money comes
[62:52] from. Anyway,
[62:52] >> Avengers Campus features a Spider-Man
[62:54] ride. They play the music from the
[62:56] Spider-Man series in Avengers Campus
[62:58] along with Ant-Man's music. Two good
[63:00] scores.
[63:01] >> Yeah, that's true.
[63:02] >> The great scores.
[63:03] >> Um, so it's it's Jacino, I believe, did
[63:05] the scores for both. Yeah.
[63:06] >> Yeah, he definitely did the Spider-Man
[63:07] Homecoming theme. And I believe he might
[63:10] have done the it's like the
[63:13] D.
[63:14] >> Yeah, that's like the Spider-Man one.
[63:15] And then the other one like it's a
[63:17] little Boppy one that's like Ant-Man.
[63:18] >> Yeah. Um, so while this is coming
[63:21] together, they they basically like I
[63:23] remember it was the middle of COVID and
[63:24] we're like, are there still movies
[63:25] coming out? [laughter] I was picking up
[63:27] a um a deep dish pizza from Masa in the
[63:30] middle of COVID and I saw the report
[63:31] that they are sticking to the release
[63:33] date of 2021 of September of December
[63:36] 2021. I'm like, how are they going to
[63:38] make this movie during CO? They found a
[63:39] way to shoot it during CO.
[63:41] >> Uh, and it all worked out. And I
[63:43] remember in like December of 2020,
[63:46] that's when he started to hear the
[63:47] rumors of like they're
[63:49] >> reopening some negotiations. We might
[63:52] see Toby and Andrew in this movie. I
[63:53] remember it was Collider who was kind of
[63:55] reporting it. There was other like
[63:57] scoopers saying that Kirsten Dunce and
[63:59] Emma Stone as well.
[64:00] >> There was like costume fittings
[64:02] happening that were getting leaked.
[64:04] >> Uh-huh. There was like they were talking
[64:05] to Alfred Molina and William Defoe.
[64:07] There was everything was being reported.
[64:09] No one knew what to believe. But then
[64:11] they announced the title, I believe in
[64:13] February of 2021 as No Way Home. And I
[64:16] remember on that dry erase board in the
[64:18] Marvel offices with Tom Holland and Zena
[64:20] and Jacob Adelon and we're like, "Okay,
[64:22] what are the clues being teased here?"
[64:24] Uh Andrew Garfield. People started there
[64:26] was like an Uber Eats delivery guy who
[64:29] said that I delivered uh something to
[64:31] this guy who looked like Andrew Garfield
[64:33] in an Atlanta hotel that was being
[64:35] denied. Andrew Garfield does a happy,
[64:37] sad, confused podcast with uh Joshua
[64:39] Horowitz. uh where he's talking about
[64:41] I'm not the werewolf and then later in
[64:44] the year as Andrew Garfield's doing
[64:45] promotions for Tick Tick Boom. Uh um uh
[64:48] Jimmy Fallon is asking him about it.
[64:50] There was a leak.
[64:51] >> Well, the image had leaked.
[64:52] >> There's a high quality 4K leak showing
[64:54] Andrew Garfield uh looking like I he's
[64:57] like I believe he's saying web blog, but
[65:00] he's saying web blood
[65:01] >> and he's he's got his arm out and he's
[65:03] on like a blue screen, but there's like
[65:04] the piece of the rebar that we would
[65:06] eventually see or Yeah. have a
[65:08] scaffolding from the Statue of Liberty
[65:09] >> and everyone's like, "This is too high
[65:11] quality of a leak. Did Sony do this on
[65:13] purpose?" Um, there was a YouTuber who's
[65:15] like, "No, I made it." And then
[65:16] everyone's like, "Wait, no, he did that
[65:18] as a prank.
[65:18] >> He made a video of how he how he made it
[65:21] that was actually fake." It was wild.
[65:23] Wild times.
[65:23] >> It was wild time. And then there was
[65:25] like John Campia posted a leak and where
[65:27] he's like, "Look at Toby's dick.
[65:28] >> He put his watermark on the leak, which
[65:30] was a bad idea." [laughter] John, Chad,
[65:32] what are you doing? Um, but it was just
[65:34] a wild time and we were all so excited.
[65:37] I remember being that was like a big
[65:38] part of like the new Rockstar channel in
[65:40] 2021 is we were making a lot of videos
[65:42] about like what's real, what's not. And
[65:44] eventually it started to look real. We
[65:46] started to look at the trailers. I
[65:47] remember the first trailer came out in
[65:48] August of 2021. Uh and there was a
[65:51] second trailer in November of 2021 where
[65:53] it looked like they very clearly
[65:54] scrubbed out the other two Peters
[65:56] swinging across the statue.
[65:57] >> Wasn't even like it was a like a Brazil
[65:59] version of like the Instagram video
[66:01] where they did a really bad job and you
[66:03] can see the lizards head move. the
[66:05] lizard's head recoiling to some
[66:06] invisible thing that kicked him. Um, but
[66:09] we also saw evidence of like just a shot
[66:11] of what looked like just um Tom Holland
[66:14] Peter landing on the Statue of Liberty's
[66:15] head. There were other two little blurry
[66:17] corners of that shot that we discovered
[66:19] like, oh, there was something else
[66:20] removed from this. Um, so it was just a
[66:23] fascinating time. The anticipation
[66:25] leading up to this movie was incredible.
[66:27] And then it did come out in December of
[66:29] 2021
[66:31] uh and broke all kinds of records.
[66:33] >> It was huge. It w and it was like one of
[66:35] the first times to be back at the movies
[66:36] and it was like packed in the theater.
[66:38] >> I mean when you watch this on Disney
[66:40] Plus there should be an option to turn
[66:41] on like canned screaming you know that
[66:44] would was happening in the theater and
[66:46] of all the releases I I believe I was
[66:48] surprised by Charlie Cox or like that
[66:51] information came out like the week of
[66:53] the movie it started leaking out that
[66:55] Charlie Cox makes an appearance in this
[66:56] movie. So it was like even of all the
[66:58] other things that were happening they
[66:59] were still sneaking in other surprises
[67:01] in this movie. his cane landing in the
[67:03] shot got just as big of a roar as as
[67:05] Toby and Andrew coming through the
[67:07] sparkle portals
[67:08] >> just wild. I mean the the fan service
[67:10] that this movie does
[67:11] >> and they're in you know I think I was
[67:13] surprised too by how long Toby and
[67:15] Andrew are in this movie. It's a lot of
[67:16] them.
[67:17] >> It's not just like a little bit. they're
[67:19] in like the second half of the movie
[67:20] >> and just having like long convers like
[67:22] watching it back again you're like wow
[67:24] there's just this kind of like long
[67:25] conversations where there's no action
[67:28] and they're just sitting around chatting
[67:29] and maybe that's part of like co
[67:30] production and stuff too but like it was
[67:33] just kind of nice to like have this fan
[67:35] service of like it's not just them
[67:37] fighting and then they're gone. It's
[67:38] like they're having these conversations
[67:39] about what it's like to be Spider-Man
[67:41] and what it means to them and like the
[67:43] simil similarities and the differences.
[67:45] Toby's tubes. He's got natural webbing
[67:47] coming out of his body and it shocks
[67:49] everybody
[67:49] >> and you're kind of pinching yourself
[67:51] while you're watching it because you've
[67:52] imagined this in your head seeing Tom
[67:54] Holland, Andrew and Toby all together
[67:56] talking
[67:56] >> just have comparing notes about what
[67:58] their parallel universes look like. And
[68:00] that feeling is the same feeling that
[68:02] we're going to have in Doomsday. Kind of
[68:04] pivot the conversation here to be like
[68:05] what No Way Home tells us about the
[68:07] multiverse for Doomsday. I really do
[68:09] think like it's not that uncanny to just
[68:12] bring back these actors and get so much
[68:14] great cinema
[68:16] >> by just having them talk to each other
[68:18] and talk about their parallel universes
[68:21] and then apply those power sets when
[68:24] they're in a battle against a common
[68:25] enemy. And I think that kind of that joy
[68:27] of seeing the three Peters learn to work
[68:29] together, to swing together, is the same
[68:31] kind of joy we're gonna feel when we see
[68:34] Cyclops and Reed Richards working
[68:36] together or Thor and Cyclops, Thor and
[68:38] Magneto doing collabs to fight Doombots.
[68:42] I think Marvel fig it was like a proof
[68:44] of concept in No Way Home that the Russo
[68:46] brothers are going to apply in Doomsday.
[68:47] >> Yeah. And this is stuff, this is what
[68:48] Foggies wanted to do from the very
[68:50] beginning all the way back uh to when
[68:53] they're doing Spider-Man and he's like
[68:54] working on that movie. And it's like you
[68:57] want or in San Ramy 2 wanted to bring in
[68:59] other characters and get them all mixed
[69:01] together uh and have, you know, not just
[69:04] like Spider-Man and his cadra of of
[69:07] heroes and villains, but also like put a
[69:09] mutant in there with them, you know, and
[69:12] it's finally all going to start really
[69:13] happening in Doomsday.
[69:15] >> Yeah. And I think like I guess the
[69:17] question I have is cuz we don't know if
[69:19] Doctor Strange is going to be in
[69:20] Doomsday. I have a feeling he will be.
[69:22] Uh he's one of these other Chris Evans
[69:24] types who just didn't get a chair, but
[69:25] like I do think we're going to have
[69:27] Doctor Strange either in the ending of
[69:29] Doomsday or somewhere in the middle of
[69:30] Doomsday to just help explain how these
[69:33] incursions happen for you know it's it's
[69:36] kind of been implied that like the
[69:37] incursions deal based on Multiverse of
[69:40] Madness. uh you know that using dark
[69:43] magic and dark energy like kind of leads
[69:45] to incursions in an interesting way and
[69:48] the fact that like Doctor Strange went
[69:49] off with Clea to deal with whatever and
[69:51] Dormamu and all that nonsense. I think
[69:53] it makes sense to have Doctor Strange be
[69:56] someone who is important to dealing with
[69:59] the multiverse. He knows how it can go
[70:01] wrong. He knows how to fix it. And
[70:03] especially what they did in What If, you
[70:04] know, showing how involved he was with
[70:07] like the multiverse there. I think it's
[70:08] important to have like a Doctor Strange
[70:10] figure because like Steve Rogers is not
[70:12] going to be able to figure all this out.
[70:13] Like you need Doctor Strange there to
[70:15] help with the kind of mystical cosmic
[70:18] side of it. Yeah.
[70:19] >> Uh and dealing with that problem.
[70:20] There's been some rumors that, you know,
[70:22] the way they were able to secretly get
[70:24] Tobey Magcguire into No Way Home that
[70:26] they might be able to secretly get Toby
[70:28] into Doomsday. I I don't think we're
[70:31] going to see Toby featured heavily in
[70:33] Doomsday, but I do think like if
[70:35] Doomsday ends with like the construction
[70:37] of Battle World, the apocalyptic
[70:39] construction of Battle World that we
[70:41] could see a glimpse at a version of
[70:44] Manhattan uh in Battle World or Spider
[70:47] Island that has like a a CGIed
[70:51] webslinger that is just Toby's suit.
[70:53] >> Uh and
[70:54] >> I think there's definitely a Spider-Man
[70:56] in the movie. I don't know if it's Tom
[70:58] Holland. It's probably not, but I you
[71:00] got to have a Spider-Man there. Even if
[71:03] they never show who it is and they just
[71:04] imply it through the suit design or if
[71:06] it's like I, you know, I said this in
[71:08] the Civil War podcast, if it's just like
[71:09] a weird cameo by another actor who's
[71:12] never played Spider-Man on screen, but
[71:14] like it's just implied, oh, he's from a
[71:16] different universe.
[71:17] >> Yeah.
[71:17] >> Uh, and this is him. And I do think I
[71:19] think they're holding this, you know, at
[71:21] this when we're recording this, you
[71:23] know, the Doomsday trailer has not come
[71:24] out. I think they want to get past
[71:26] Spider-Man Brand New Day before they
[71:28] release the Doomsday trailer wide and
[71:30] it's going to be a little different than
[71:31] what they showed at Comic- Con.
[71:33] >> Yeah.
[71:33] >> And I think there's just something at
[71:34] the end of Brand New Day that like keys
[71:36] us really sets us up for Doomsday cuz
[71:39] every MCU project since Brave New World
[71:42] has like been the postredits have been
[71:44] really hinting at Doomsday.
[71:46] >> I think since the Marvels, right?
[71:48] >> Oh, and yes, you're right. Even the
[71:49] Marvels. Yeah. Have been hinting at
[71:51] what's going to be happening in
[71:52] Doomsday. So, I think there's a very big
[71:55] one at the end of Brand New Day. I don't
[71:57] think the most of the movie deals with
[71:58] that. I think at the very end of it,
[72:00] there's something and then then they'll
[72:01] feel ready to release this Doomsday
[72:03] trailer, you know, less than six months
[72:05] out from when the movie's coming out.
[72:06] >> I think there has to be something at the
[72:08] end of Brand New Day. If it's not a
[72:09] scene, at least a full screen title that
[72:11] says Peter Parker will return in
[72:14] >> Avengers Doomsday or Secret Wars.
[72:17] >> I think it's going to be Doomsday. I
[72:19] think they'll say
[72:20] >> something. If they establish Battle
[72:22] World by the end of Doomsday, you have
[72:24] to explain where Spider-Man is.
[72:26] >> Yeah.
[72:26] >> You can't just start off Secret Wars and
[72:28] be like,
[72:29] >> I just think like I know the Russo
[72:32] brothers have been really weird and cy
[72:33] about marketing their stories or
[72:35] whatever it is.
[72:36] >> Like Marvel Studios looks at these
[72:38] Spider-Man movies as like the postredit
[72:40] scenes are always one for you, one for
[72:41] me. Sony does something to hint at
[72:44] whatever their next thing is going to
[72:45] be. Maybe it could even be beyond the
[72:47] Spider-Verse. You know, it could be
[72:49] something like next summer we're having
[72:52] this other event and Sony could use that
[72:53] moment to set up that, but I think
[72:55] there's gonna be some other postredit
[72:56] scene moment that just shows like what's
[72:58] next for Satie Sink's character, for
[73:00] Mark Ruffalo, for Peter Parker, for uh
[73:03] for John Bernthal's Punisher, like
[73:05] something that sets up like what's next
[73:08] in Marvel Studios.
[73:09] >> Is there like a mutant out there? If
[73:12] Sadink is a mutant, is there one from a
[73:14] different universe that is able to
[73:15] connect with her somehow? I don't know
[73:17] how uh and send a message to her that's
[73:20] important. Setting up what's happening
[73:22] in Doomsday.
[73:23] >> Yeah, I think um by the time you have
[73:25] seen by the time you're watching this
[73:27] episode, the the next trailer for
[73:30] Spider-Man Brand New Day has probably
[73:32] come out. Um but in that trailer, you
[73:35] really do do see more Sades Sinks power
[73:37] set. I like 90% certain she's Gan Gray.
[73:41] >> Um she has there's a toy leak that may
[73:43] be real, maybe AI, I don't know. But she
[73:46] the way the power set works of like
[73:48] jumping consciousness from person to
[73:50] person. There's only so many characters
[73:52] who marvel who matter to the future of
[73:54] Marvel. They're about to do the X-Men
[73:56] saga. Like it's a great X-Men to start
[73:58] with. And they've been really KG about
[74:01] FKA Jansen saying she's not coming back.
[74:03] >> Yeah.
[74:04] >> You know, in Doomsday and it's like why
[74:06] wouldn't you bring back
[74:07] >> Well, yeah. Fk Johnson is is like super
[74:10] critical to these other characters.
[74:11] specifically if you bring back James
[74:13] Marsden and Scott Summers like
[74:14] >> his gene is going to be really important
[74:16] to his life. So yeah, I think
[74:19] >> he's got a kid.
[74:20] >> We think we don't know.
[74:21] >> We think we assume.
[74:23] >> Um yeah, I think No Way Home um was a
[74:27] was an important test case for Marvel
[74:29] Studios of what it looks like to bring
[74:31] back previous franchise characters in an
[74:34] in universe multiverse story. And
[74:36] without No Way Home working as well as
[74:38] it did, you would never have Doomsday
[74:39] working like this. You would never have
[74:42] Marsden, Mckllen, uh Patrick Stewart, um
[74:46] uh Allan [ __ ] Kelsey Grammar, and
[74:49] Rebecca Roma coming back. Um you know,
[74:53] like just it it's too difficult for
[74:55] people to imagine. Uh but Kevin Feige, I
[74:57] think, has known all along that there
[74:58] are stories where this can work. And as
[75:01] big of fan service payoff as people feel
[75:04] like Endgame was, I think he's saying
[75:06] like, "Hold my beer." I think he's
[75:07] saying like
[75:09] >> we you have no idea how cool Battle
[75:10] World's going to work. It's there's
[75:12] going to be, you know, the film critics
[75:14] who say like, "What are these comic book
[75:16] movies?"
[75:16] >> Yeah. It doesn't make sense if you've
[75:18] never seen another Marvel movie. Okay.
[75:20] Well great.
[75:21] >> These movies are going to make billions
[75:22] of dollars. And I think like it's going
[75:24] to they're building the sandbox. I think
[75:26] literally The Void, as we see in
[75:27] Deadpool Wolverine, is a literal
[75:29] sandbox.
[75:29] >> And that's another great example of how
[75:31] well it worked. That movie made a
[75:32] billion dollars, you know? So, that's an
[75:34] R-rated movie. With all respect to the
[75:36] colleagues at the Ringer, Sean and
[75:38] Amanda, I love you guys and I think you
[75:40] guys are way smarter than I am in
[75:41] general when you talk about movies, but
[75:43] how down they sometimes are about the
[75:44] Marvel universe. I think these movies,
[75:47] there is a huge audience out there who
[75:48] really just wants to see the toys
[75:49] collide right?
[75:50] >> And I think that's what uh like Endgame
[75:54] didn't even show us that much of it, but
[75:56] Doomsday and I think Secret Wars will.
[75:58] And it's gonna be so huge and crazy that
[76:01] like we're all gonna be ready for just
[76:03] like a clean slate start over with just
[76:05] a mutant saga in an X mansion and
[76:07] Sentinels and [ __ ]
[76:08] >> Yeah, I agree.
[76:09] >> So, I think that's, you know, I think if
[76:11] any of these movies, if you look at
[76:13] Homecoming, Far From Home, No Way Home,
[76:16] certainly No Way Home in the way Doctor
[76:18] Strange talks about the multiverse is
[76:20] probably the most important to rewatch.
[76:22] Um but um to see Peter Parker's journey,
[76:26] I think these three movies are important
[76:27] to rewatch ahead of Brand New Day and
[76:30] and for whatever Tom Holland Peter has
[76:33] in store after Brand New Day. I think
[76:35] you do kind of need to have all three of
[76:37] these movies in the front of your mind.
[76:39] >> Yeah.
[76:40] >> Um all right, let's end with a box
[76:42] office challenge. Um
[76:44] >> I feel like I've done the challenge
[76:46] recently, so I kind of want to quiz you
[76:48] unless Unless you don't want to be
[76:49] quizzed.
[76:50] >> No, I would love to be quizzed. I would
[76:51] love to show my ignorance.
[76:52] >> Okay,
[76:53] >> it's getting on the internet.
[76:54] >> All right, starting with Spider-Man
[76:55] Homecoming. It came out on July 7th,
[76:57] 2017.
[76:58] >> Okay,
[76:58] >> so July 2017. Think of like summertime
[77:01] 2017. What other movies were coming out
[77:03] in June of 2017? But uh Spider-Man
[77:05] Homecoming won the domestic box office.
[77:07] We're only talking domestic here at $17
[77:10] million on July 7th, 2017. The number
[77:13] two movie
[77:15] um was a an animated
[77:20] threequ
[77:21] >> from uh Universal Elimination.
[77:23] >> Oh, so this is like a Despicable Me,
[77:26] >> correct? Do you know which Despicable
[77:27] Me?
[77:28] >> Is it Despicable Me 3 or is it Minion?
[77:31] >> Despicable Me 3 made $33.5
[77:34] million. It came out um I think the week
[77:37] before. It was like a late June.
[77:38] >> Well, I think we can all agree that's
[77:40] banana.
[77:41] >> Never banana. Um, number three at the
[77:44] box office was a June movie from um from
[77:48] the first Marvel director to part ways
[77:52] with the studio over creative
[77:53] differences.
[77:54] >> Edgar, Right.
[77:55] >> Correct. In his movie in June 2017 was
[77:58] >> Oh, no. Baby Driver.
[77:59] >> Baby Driver.
[78:00] >> A movie I enjoyed. A really good movie.
[78:03] >> One or two questionable actors.
[78:04] >> Three. Maybe three question. No, at
[78:06] least one or two.
[78:07] >> At least one.
[78:09] >> One's not John Ham, but he is in He's in
[78:12] it. Kevin Spacy's in it.
[78:14] >> Kevin Spacy's in it.
[78:15] >> And then the baby driver himself.
[78:18] Um
[78:19] >> though, I did like Tokyo Vice a lot.
[78:21] >> And I like Westside Story a lot.
[78:23] >> I Yeah, [clears throat] he's arguably
[78:24] the worst part of Westside Story.
[78:27] >> Um so that was number three at the box
[78:28] office. Number four was another
[78:31] superhero movie in uh summer 2017.
[78:34] >> Did Logan come out over the summer?
[78:36] >> It came out in March, so it was not in
[78:37] the top five year. M
[78:39] >> uh it was kind of like uh it gave
[78:43] confidence to the other big superhero
[78:46] franchise at the time that like oh the
[78:48] world building here is actually
[78:50] >> oh is this a DC movie?
[78:52] >> Uhhuh.
[78:54] >> 2017 is that Batman v Superman
[78:57] >> that came out the previous year 2016.
[78:58] This was a solo movie of a character in
[79:00] Batman v Superman.
[79:01] >> Oh Wonder Woman.
[79:03] >> Wonder Woman. Yes. Wonder Woman did
[79:04] pretty well. most of the Wonder Woman
[79:06] movies and one of the better DC movies.
[79:08] >> One of the better DC EU movies. Yeah.
[79:10] And then uh number five at the box
[79:12] office was, I believe, the fifth of uh a
[79:15] big Paramount CGI franchise.
[79:18] >> GI franchise.
[79:19] >> Um if you go to the Universal Studios,
[79:22] it's one of the rides at Universal
[79:24] Studios,
[79:24] >> but it's a Paramount movie.
[79:25] >> It's a Paramount release. Yeah.
[79:27] >> Oh, okay.
[79:28] >> It's It's other than Mission Impossible,
[79:29] Paramount
[79:30] >> Fast and Furious movie. Mhm. Fast is
[79:32] Universal. Universal.
[79:33] >> In addition to Mission Impossible, this
[79:35] is the other big Paramount franchise.
[79:37] >> Oh.
[79:39] >> Uh, past ones include Dark of the Moon.
[79:42] >> Oh, Transformers.
[79:43] >> Yes. The Transformers. Do you remember
[79:45] which Transformers this was?
[79:46] >> It's not. Transformers. Revenge of the
[79:49] Fallen. The Dark Knight or like the
[79:51] night
[79:52] >> the last night.
[79:52] >> The Last Night.
[79:53] >> Yes.
[79:54] >> That came [snorts] out I believe
[79:55] >> which is the one where like Chicago just
[79:57] gets destroyed.
[79:57] >> That's the third. That's Dark of the
[79:58] Moon. Darkest thing I've ever seen
[80:01] movie.
[80:01] >> You see poor Chicagoans just getting
[80:02] zapped.
[80:03] >> I mean, it is wild.
[80:04] >> All right, so let's look at the
[80:05] worldwide box office in 2017. Uh,
[80:08] Spider-Man Homecoming was not in the top
[80:10] five. It was number six. It made 880
[80:12] million.
[80:13] >> Um, what was the number one worldwide
[80:15] box office film in
[80:17] >> 2017?
[80:17] >> Yeah.
[80:20] >> Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
[80:22] >> Correct. $1.3 billion.
[80:25] >> Uh, number two was another Disney
[80:27] release. This was a liveaction remake.
[80:29] >> 2017 you're still doing
[80:32] Pirates movies, right?
[80:34] >> It's a live action remake of an animated
[80:36] film.
[80:36] >> Oh. Oh, in 2017 Beauty and the Beast,
[80:39] >> correct? Beauty and the Beast, the movie
[80:41] that an Arkite employee asked me to
[80:42] leave from.
[80:43] >> I mean, the autotuning on Hermione
[80:45] Granger in that movie. Oif
[80:47] [laughter]
[80:48] boy. But the guy, I always forget his
[80:50] name, but the guy who plays Gaston is
[80:52] Dan Steven. [clears throat]
[80:52] >> The most fun of that movie. He's the
[80:54] best.
[80:54] >> Oh, Gaston. I was thinking Beast is Dan
[80:55] Stevens. Beast is also a mess.
[80:57] >> Josh Gad is in that movie as Lefu.
[80:59] >> I hate Josh Gad so much. And I, you
[81:02] know, he's a fine Lefu. He's great.
[81:05] [clears throat]
[81:05] >> Openly bisexual Lefu.
[81:07] >> Yes. And I do like the addition that he
[81:09] when he says, "I'm just realizing I
[81:11] can't spell."
[81:13] That's a great line. But man, he drives
[81:15] me nuts.
[81:16] >> Anyways,
[81:17] >> EP uh the number three movie in the
[81:19] worldwide box office was a big Universal
[81:22] Heist movie franchise.
[81:24] >> Fast and Furious.
[81:25] >> Correct. Do you know which one it was?
[81:27] >> Eight.
[81:28] >> Fate of the Furious. Correct.
[81:29] >> I couldn't tell you what the subtitle
[81:30] was but
[81:32] >> uh number four at the box office was a
[81:33] movie that was number two at the weekend
[81:35] box office. So, it would the animated
[81:38] me. Yes. It made 1.0 billion.
[81:42] >> And then number five, the worldwide box
[81:44] office was kind of a surprise late in
[81:46] the year hit. Came out in December 2017.
[81:49] Big Sony franchise.
[81:50] >> You rocked in number five. Well, it was
[81:53] released and then most of the money came
[81:55] out was made in January, February, but
[81:56] it was um it's kind of started a
[81:59] >> it was like technically a legacy sequel
[82:02] with an allnew cast.
[82:03] >> Okay.
[82:04] >> And they're making a third one of these
[82:06] that's coming out this year. Huge movie
[82:09] for Sony
[82:11] >> 2017. Uhhuh. Yes. Sequel. I don't know.
[82:17] >> Um its title is an AC/DC song.
[82:21] Or it's it's this colon AC/DC song
[82:24] title.
[82:25] >> Oh, back in blank. [laughter]
[82:27] >> It's Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle.
[82:29] >> Oh. Oh gosh. Jumanji movies.
[82:31] >> Yeah, it was uh
[82:32] >> this is the This is the one with a Jonas
[82:34] in it. I think
[82:35] >> he does play a character in it, but it's
[82:39] Yeah, it's the Rock. It's
[82:40] >> Right. Right. Right. Yes. I'm familiar
[82:42] with the character Karen Gill.
[82:44] >> But this is the second one. Okay.
[82:45] >> It's the first one.
[82:46] >> This is the first one.
[82:47] >> Well, technically the first Janji.
[82:49] >> Well, yes. This is the the beginning of
[82:51] the
[82:51] >> cuz it's connected. Colin Hanks shows up
[82:54] in it at the end. Um, yes. So,
[82:56] >> but it's a video game now. It's no
[82:58] longer a movie.
[82:58] >> Now, it's a video game. And then the
[83:00] second movie is when you get in like Dan
[83:01] DeVito and
[83:03] >> um anyway, so that was 2017 in a
[83:05] nutshell. Moving on to 2019. Um, so
[83:08] Spider-Man Far From Home came out on
[83:10] July 5th, 2019. Now, there's something
[83:12] weird. They released it earlier in the
[83:14] week for the Fourth of July holiday. So,
[83:17] we're counting the whole week. Uh it
[83:18] made over the whole week $185 million.
[83:21] Did very well.
[83:23] >> Um
[83:24] >> but then the number two movie uh that
[83:27] weekend
[83:28] was a very like uh it it made a lot of
[83:34] money for for Disney.
[83:36] >> Okay.
[83:36] >> It was at the time
[83:40] the highest grossing movie for this
[83:41] animated studio.
[83:43] >> Oh, a Disney movie
[83:46] is Pixar. Yes, it's a Pixar movie. So,
[83:49] >> in 2019,
[83:55] >> not Cars 3. No, it's later than that.
[83:57] >> It was to date.
[83:59] >> Oh, it's a Toy Story.
[84:00] >> Yeah, Toy Story 4. Yeah. Um,
[84:02] >> incredible. Better than Toy Story 4.
[84:04] >> Toy Story 4. Um, yes.
[84:06] >> I mean, I hate Forky.
[84:07] >> Even though it came out in uh like two
[84:09] weekends before, still made $33 million
[84:11] this weekend.
[84:12] >> It's a gorgeous film.
[84:13] >> Yeah. Um, the number three movie is a
[84:16] strange uh Universal Danny Bole movie
[84:19] about almost kind of like a a what if
[84:23] type movie that was famous.
[84:24] >> Oh, is this um uh the the Beatles movie?
[84:27] Uh stupid. Uh yesterday.
[84:29] >> Yesterday. Yes. The movie that got a
[84:31] lawsuit to Universal Studios because Ana
[84:33] Armis was in a trailer for the movie and
[84:34] her scene was cut from the movie. The
[84:36] false advertising it was sued.
[84:38] >> Yeah. I was waiting for an Armist and
[84:40] all I got was Ed Sheeran. [laughter]
[84:43] Um, number four was a um, let's see.
[84:47] This was a James Juan horror franchise.
[84:50] >> Oh god, I won't know these. Is this in
[84:52] the Insidious Verse?
[84:54] >> It um,
[84:55] >> or is this an Annabelle?
[84:56] >> Yes, it is an Annabelle. It's Annabelle
[84:58] Comes Home.
[84:59] >> I definitely didn't see it. Too scary
[85:01] for me.
[85:02] >> And then number five was another big
[85:04] liveaction Disney remake that came out
[85:07] in 2019. Another billion dollar movie.
[85:10] 2019 was the movie with the $9 billion
[85:13] movies.
[85:13] >> Yes, this is one of them. It came out
[85:15] earlier in June. And
[85:16] >> so there's Aladdin.
[85:17] >> Aladdin. Correct.
[85:18] >> I could not get through that.
[85:20] >> The guy Richie Aladdin. Yeah.
[85:21] >> Very bad. Will Smith.
[85:23] >> So bad.
[85:24] >> Okay. So 2019, I think, was like a peak
[85:26] year for box office worldwide,
[85:28] >> right?
[85:29] >> But I think you can know what the number
[85:31] one
[85:31] >> Rise of Skywalker has got to be number
[85:32] one. No.
[85:33] >> Oh no,
[85:34] >> it's not.
[85:34] >> It's not crazy. Rise of Skywalker not
[85:37] even in the top five.
[85:38] >> But it still made a billion dollars.
[85:39] >> It did.
[85:39] >> Oh my gosh. But what's the highest
[85:41] grossing movie of all time?
[85:42] >> Avatar. No. Of all time.
[85:46] >> Yeah. Or at least it's like number two
[85:47] now.
[85:48] >> Oh. Aven. Oh, Avengers Endgame.
[85:50] >> Avengers Endgame made 2.8 billion
[85:52] worldwide. Uh number two was a different
[85:56] Disney liveaction animated movie or
[85:58] liveaction
[86:00] >> remake.
[86:00] >> Remake. So it's not Aladdin. What else
[86:03] did they do in 2019?
[86:04] >> It came out early.
[86:05] >> Dumbo or like No.
[86:08] Um,
[86:11] was it a a modern movie or a older
[86:15] animated movie?
[86:16] >> It was a more modern animated movie.
[86:18] This remake was directed by John Favro.
[86:21] >> Oh, it's not Jungle Book. It's
[86:25] >> Lion King.
[86:26] >> Lion King. Correct. Lion King made 1.6
[86:28] >> John
[86:29] >> billion dollars. Stop calling those live
[86:32] action. That was a fully animated movie.
[86:34] >> I know. I agree.
[86:35] >> There's no live animal in that movie.
[86:37] Um, number three at the worldwide box
[86:39] office was an animated sequel to a
[86:42] gamecher movie that came out in 2014.
[86:45] >> Okay.
[86:45] >> Uh, this sequel came out in 2019.
[86:48] >> Okay.
[86:49] >> Disney animation.
[86:50] >> Uh, it's not Frozen, but it's Frozen.
[86:53] >> It's Frozen 2. Yeah. Made 1.4 billion.
[86:55] >> Oh, the Ice Horses.
[86:56] >> Uh-huh. Uh, number four was Spider-Man
[86:58] Far From Home. Okay. Made 1.13 billion.
[87:01] >> That's crazy.
[87:02] >> Um, number five
[87:04] was Another Marvel movie. Another Marvel
[87:07] movie,
[87:07] >> another MCU movie made a billion dollars
[87:08] that year.
[87:10] >> Is it Captain Marvel?
[87:11] >> Correct. Was the fifth highest grossing
[87:14] movie. It outgrowth The Rise of
[87:15] Skywalker.
[87:15] >> I I remember I used to we used to go see
[87:18] the the Friday night releases of Marvel
[87:20] movies at the Ark Light at 8:00 p.m. Fei
[87:22] would always show up uh and usually they
[87:24] have like some of the cast, some of the
[87:26] crew there or some cast members there. I
[87:29] remember being there for Infinity War
[87:30] before the movie started and Tom Holland
[87:32] came out and said, "I'm alive." And
[87:34] everyone went, "What?" And he went,
[87:35] "What? You guys haven't seen the movie
[87:37] yet?" And it's like, "What do you think
[87:38] this is, Tom? You think we sat through
[87:39] the movie and we're just sitting here.
[87:40] We're waiting for it." Anyways, uh we
[87:43] were there for Captain Marvel. Uh Feige
[87:44] wasn't there. It was just the directors.
[87:46] And they came out and they were like,
[87:48] "Hi."
[87:49] >> And then they kind of left.
[87:50] >> Does anyone remember who directed the
[87:51] Marvel?
[87:52] >> It's two people, a man and a woman. And
[87:54] I don't remember their names.
[87:56] >> They're great.
[87:57] >> And that was the movie that the Marvel
[87:59] title thing has all Stanley in. It's
[88:00] very sweet.
[88:01] >> Yeah.
[88:01] >> Um
[88:02] >> because we had no more Stanley. So 2021
[88:04] was an odd time.
[88:05] >> Yeah.
[88:05] >> Uh but in December of 2021, these are
[88:08] all movies that you'll recognize and
[88:09] remember. At this point, a lot of movie
[88:11] theaters have begun to reopen.
[88:13] >> Um Spider-Man No Way Home obviously had
[88:16] I think one of the biggest opening
[88:17] weekends ever, if not the biggest.
[88:18] Spider-Man No Way Home opening weekend
[88:20] domestic made $260 million
[88:22] >> in December of 2020.
[88:24] >> Is that like is it a fiveday thing
[88:26] they're doing? It came out on a
[88:27] Wednesday or
[88:28] >> It came out like a Friday. Like Thursday
[88:30] night Friday.
[88:31] >> Crazy.
[88:32] >> Yeah. Um, okay. So, but the
[88:33] >> I mean I remember you would go to the
[88:34] movie theater and it was just like all
[88:36] Spider-Man.
[88:37] >> All Spider-Man. Yeah. I mean this is the
[88:38] movie they could say Top Gun Maverick
[88:40] saved movies in summer 2022.
[88:42] >> This saved movies.
[88:43] >> This is the This is the movie that saved
[88:45] movies concept still works.
[88:47] >> Yes. Um the number two movie um I
[88:50] remember it being a Disney streaming
[88:53] release but it was a Disney theatrical
[88:56] release as well. Um it was like the
[89:00] November
[89:01] Disney animated um movie. Um
[89:06] >> Oh, it's incontto.
[89:07] >> Incontto.
[89:08] >> Yeah, cuz it it did come out in theaters
[89:09] and no one and it was a big word of
[89:12] mouthther like no this is very good and
[89:14] the songs are catchy and then the songs
[89:16] started catching it
[89:16] >> and movie theaters had opened uh
[89:18] internationally and KTO did great
[89:20] globally did very well for Disney. Um
[89:22] the number three movie was another
[89:24] musical
[89:25] >> Westside Story.
[89:26] >> Correct. That movie is great. Beginning
[89:28] of like I think Spielberg was like back,
[89:31] baby, you know what I mean? Uh I'm
[89:34] excited for Disclosure Day, but I'm also
[89:36] >> keep my fingers crossed cuz I I mean
[89:39] >> Spielberg is incredible. There's so his
[89:41] legacy is untouchable, whatever. But
[89:44] like those early 2000 movies I love so
[89:46] much. Uh like Minority Report and if
[89:48] you've never seen his version of War of
[89:50] the Worlds, it is so good. It is so
[89:51] dark. It's great. Check it out. Uh but
[89:54] yeah, and then I think he had a little
[89:55] slump, but this was Westside Story was
[89:57] great.
[89:57] >> The Fableman's eraser will never be
[89:59] forgiven.
[90:00] >> No, I I think the Fable Men's is also
[90:01] that came after Westside Story. Um but
[90:04] it it's really good except for Alden
[90:06] Eric or whatever. He's just so
[90:08] >> What do you mean recent Toby award?
[90:10] Alden Erin Reich is in what are you
[90:12] talking about?
[90:13] >> The guy who plays Tony in
[90:15] >> You're thinking of Anel Elgor.
[90:17] >> Anel Elgore. I'm sorry.
[90:18] >> Alden Arin Reich just won a Tony.
[90:19] >> I know those in Oppenheimer. apologies
[90:23] to him.
[90:24] >> But Alden Arin Reich also I believe got
[90:26] in a fight at the
[90:28] >> well crazy story with Alden Arin Reich
[90:30] that Berg might be able to tell you
[90:32] better. Uh he got some bad press I
[90:34] believe at um Sundance Film Festival for
[90:37] drinking and getting into a physical
[90:40] altercation with like a publicist. But
[90:42] is this publicist is has a bad
[90:44] reputation herself for like starting
[90:45] fights with people. So who knows who
[90:47] knows really what happened. Um uh happy
[90:49] to see Alden get his Tony. He deserved
[90:51] it. Congratulations.
[90:52] >> Um, number four at this December 2021
[90:55] box office is another
[90:57] >> interesting
[90:59] legacy [clears throat] sequel that
[91:00] restarted similar to Jumanji started a
[91:03] new franchise that it got a sequel.
[91:05] >> Sonic
[91:06] >> it was a Sony franchise. Okay.
[91:09] >> Sonic was Paramount. Um,
[91:11] >> it uh was kind of a legacy sequel that
[91:14] has some controversial use of AI or not
[91:16] AI, controversial use of CGI to
[91:18] resurrect a dead actor as a ghost.
[91:20] >> Oh. Oh, Ghostbusters.
[91:22] >> Ghostbusters Afterlife. Yes,
[91:23] >> definitely questionable.
[91:24] >> Yeah. And then
[91:25] >> didn't say anything at least.
[91:26] >> The fifth movie I do not remember being
[91:28] out in theaters, but it was
[91:30] >> okay.
[91:30] >> I remember it as a Netflix movie that I
[91:32] watched later.
[91:33] >> Oh, it's this is not Knives Out was not
[91:37] Netflix yet.
[91:38] >> No,
[91:39] >> it was still on its own.
[91:40] >> It's a movie that I remember you doing
[91:42] lots of bits about.
[91:45] Red. No,
[91:47] [laughter]
[91:48] >> I don't want to say the closing the
[91:50] closing line of the movie is something
[91:51] that we've clowned on. And clown is a
[91:54] term I'm using with a double meaning
[91:57] here.
[91:57] >> Closing line of the movie.
[91:58] >> A movie that you could say is about
[92:00] caries.
[92:02] Uh oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. I'll geek.
[92:08] >> Mister. I was born for it. [laughter]
[92:11] >> The movie.
[92:12] >> Nightmare Alley.
[92:12] >> Nightmare Alley. movie is great.
[92:15] >> It's very good.
[92:16] >> It's very good.
[92:17] >> I definitely did not watch it in
[92:18] theaters unfortunately, but it's
[92:19] beautiful. Aro Deltomo drawing. But Mr.
[92:22] I was born for it, man. And that is a
[92:24] remake of a classic movie, too.
[92:26] >> Yes. An old an old movie. Um, so the
[92:30] worldwide box office in 2021 is quite
[92:32] weird because um Spider-Man No Way Home
[92:35] made $1.9 billion. I believe it remains
[92:37] a top five alltime highest grossing
[92:40] movie. But the number two and number
[92:41] three movies, I'll be surprised if you
[92:42] know them. They're Chinese films.
[92:44] >> Oh, okay.
[92:44] >> That both did incredibly well.
[92:47] >> Yeah.
[92:47] >> Um,
[92:48] >> is one of them an anime one that had a
[92:51] sequel recently that made like $2
[92:53] billion?
[92:53] >> Jay not. No, it's not. It's They're both
[92:55] live action movies.
[92:56] >> Oh, okay. Then I probably have no idea.
[92:58] >> The number two movie was the Battle of
[93:00] Lake Shanhin.
[93:01] >> No,
[93:01] >> sorry if I'm mispronouncing that. $900
[93:03] million. And then a movie called High
[93:05] Mom. Uh that was kind of like an
[93:08] interesting family,
[93:10] not romantic, but an interesting family
[93:12] kind of comedy story. Um I have not seen
[93:14] either movie.
[93:15] >> Uh but that made $822 million.
[93:18] >> Okay.
[93:18] >> Uh but you'll know the number four and
[93:20] number five worldwide movies. One was
[93:23] kind of the ending of a big huge uh era
[93:26] of a franchise that um it ends with like
[93:29] the main hero who had played this iconic
[93:32] role.
[93:33] >> His life ends in this movie. M
[93:36] >> it's kind of like it's actually the the
[93:38] this is probably the longest running
[93:41] film franchise.
[93:42] >> Oh, is this Bond? This is uh No Time To
[93:45] Die.
[93:45] >> Correct. No Time To Die. Uh made $774
[93:48] million.
[93:49] >> It was
[93:50] >> worldwide. We forget that the 007 movies
[93:52] are international gangbusters
[93:54] performance.
[93:55] >> Really? Well,
[93:56] >> uh the number five movie is another huge
[93:59] franchise, the ninth of this heist
[94:01] franchise. another Fantastic 4 or um uh
[94:05] Fast and Furious, sorry.
[94:07] >> Yeah, it was Fast and Furious. Fast
[94:08] Nine, the Fast Saga.
[94:10] >> Is that what that one was called? The
[94:11] Fast Saga.
[94:12] >> So, it was the follow-up to Fate of the
[94:13] Furious.
[94:14] >> The Mimoa one or is he in a couple of
[94:16] them?
[94:17] >> He joins in Fast 10.
[94:19] >> Okay.
[94:20] >> I cannot remember which I don't know if
[94:22] I even saw Fast N.
[94:23] >> I I have, you know, I've seen like the
[94:25] first three definitely. I've seen the
[94:28] one where they steal the safe and drive
[94:31] it around
[94:32] >> five.
[94:34] >> I think I saw seven where CGI Paul
[94:37] Walker drives off, right? Is that seven?
[94:39] >> I don't know. They're just like tough.
[94:41] >> That is a Furious 7.
[94:42] >> Is that where they go to space, too? Or
[94:44] did that happen later?
[94:45] >> Um, so I believe this is the one where
[94:48] uh uh um what's his face?
[94:53] >> Everyone's in these movies, so I don't
[94:54] know.
[94:54] >> They all join them. This is um uh
[94:57] >> like Helen Mirren's in these movies,
[94:58] right?
[94:59] >> Yes. John Cena joins the cast in this
[95:01] movie.
[95:03] >> Uh we've already had
[95:04] >> The Rock's already in it.
[95:05] >> The Rock's been in it for
[95:07] >> Jason's already in it. They've already
[95:08] >> joined in Fate of the Fury along with
[95:10] Helen
[95:11] >> Mir. Yeah.
[95:12] >> Yeah. Uh okay. I
[95:14] >> I think I think Jake Sully as an Avatar
[95:17] shows up in this movie. He checks in
[95:19] from Pandora.
[95:20] >> So that's what it is. Uh John Cena joins
[95:23] us as Jacob Tretto, Dom's brother. Oh,
[95:25] yes. So, he's
[95:27] >> We have to get all of the resolution.
[95:29] Yeah. His windshield wipers are just his
[95:30] hand doing this, I think, in the movies.
[95:33] >> Uh, so we'll leave it there in this
[95:34] extended episode of The Road to
[95:36] Doomsday. Brandon, it's been great
[95:38] having you back.
[95:38] >> What a pleasure. Thank you so much for
[95:40] having me. Love Spider-Man.
[95:41] >> Big thanks to uh Brian Kim who's been
[95:44] producing this episode and to um Berg
[95:46] who did all the research for this
[95:48] episode. Thank you to all of you for
[95:50] watching. It's been wonderful revisiting
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