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# Spider-Man Tom Holland Returning in Doomsday or Secret Wars? | Road to Doomsday

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## Summary

This podcast episode of 'The Road to Doomsday' analyzes the MCU Spider-Man trilogy (Homecoming, Far From Home, No Way Home) and its significance for the upcoming Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars. The hosts discuss plot points, Easter eggs, and behind-the-scenes production details, while speculating on Tom Holland's potential return and how No Way Home's multiverse mechanics will influence the upcoming films.

### Key Points

- **Podcast Introduction and Purpose** [0:34] — Eric Boss introduces 'The Road to Doomsday,' a rewatch podcast leading to Avengers Doomsday, focusing on the MCU Spider-Man trilogy.
- **Trilogy's Importance for Doomsday** [2:08] — The third film (No Way Home) opened multiverse rifts, similar to what might happen in Doomsday, making the trilogy crucial to revisit.
- **Tom Holland's Possible Doomsday Return** [2:42] — Despite official claims he won't be in Doomsday, the hosts compare it to Chris Evans' situation and suggest Spider-Man Brand New Day may clarify Holland's role.
- **Defending John Watts' Trilogy** [3:20] — Brandon defends the trilogy against criticism, stating Watts' work is being unfairly diminished by the upcoming Brand New Day.
- **Trilogy as Extended Origin Story** [4:53] — The trilogy uses three movies to tell Spider-Man's origin, showing a young Peter Parker aspiring to be an Avenger in a world with superhero examples.
- **Spider-Man: Homecoming Recap Begins** [6:30] — Revisiting 2017's Homecoming, the hosts discuss its writing team and its place in the MCU's Infinity Saga.
- **MCU Timeline Inconsistency** [7:53] — The eight-year time jump between the Battle of New York (2012) and the film's setting creates a major plot hole, which the hosts humorously note.
- **Unique Suburban Queens Setting** [9:40] — The hosts praise the film for showing a different side of New York, including Queens suburbia, which was new for Spider-Man films.
- **Miles Morales Tease** [19:55] — Donald Glover's character Aaron Davis mentions a nephew who lives in Brooklyn, hinting at Miles Morales' existence in the MCU.
- **Origin of Marvel-Sony Deal** [21:40] — The hosts recount how the Marvel-Sony deal came about after 2014's Sony hack, with Kevin Feige leading negotiations to bring Spider-Man into the MCU.
- **Tom Holland's Casting and Audition** [26:20] — Tom Holland's backflip in his audition tape and his Billy Elliot stage background helped him land the role, influencing even in-film gags like 'Do a flip.'
- **Coming-of-Age High School Vibe** [28:34] — Director John Watts approached the film as a John Hughes-style coming-of-age movie, successfully creating a genuine high school atmosphere.
- **Marketing vs. Reality** [29:45] — The trailer showed a shot of Spider-Man and Iron Man swinging together that was never in the film, highlighting Sony's marketing tactics.
- **Marvel's 2017 Hot Streak** [30:19] — Homecoming was part of a successful stretch of MCU films, including GotG Vol. 2 and Thor Ragnarok, building hype for Infinity War.
- **Far From Home Post-Endgame Context** [31:37] — The first film after Endgame had to address the blip and Tony Stark's death, leading to a unique marketing challenge and a lighter tone.
- **The Blip's Consequences** [33:32] — The film coined the term 'blip' and showed its societal impact through humorous Midtown High news reports, contrasting with darker takes in other MCU projects.
- **Peter's Grief and the EDITH Glasses** [34:29] — Peter is grieving Tony Stark and is given the EDITH glasses, which hosts debate as a questionable gift due to its immense power.
- **Mysterio's Deception Revealed** [38:27] — Quentin Beck's lie about being from a parallel Earth is revealed; he is a disgruntled Stark employee using holographic tech to stage threats.
- **Mysterio's Illusion Sequence** [40:28] — Peter is trapped in a hallucinatory montage by Mysterio, which the hosts praise as a visually stunning and faithful comic book representation.
- **Identity Reveal and Skrull Surprise** [41:51] — The mid-credits scene reveals J.K. Simmons' J. Jonah Jameson exposing Spider-Man's identity; the post-credits scene reveals Nick Fury and Maria Hill were Skrulls, a setup not fully followed up on.
- **Unresolved Phase 4 Storylines** [42:51] — The hosts note that this film's reveals are early signs of Phase 4's scattered storytelling, with many planted plotlines not delivered on.
- **Defending Far From Home's Themes** [45:32] — Brandon appreciates the themes of grief and perception versus blindness, which connect to Peter's development in the third film.
- **Mysterio's 616 Reference and Multiverse Cues** [48:08] — Mysterio calls the MCU Earth-616, a reference that suggests in-universe awareness of the numbering system and foreshadows the multiverse's role.
- **No Way Home as Post-COVID Box Office Savior** [50:13] — The film brought audiences back to theaters during the pandemic, proving the MCU's continued relevance and the appeal of the multiverse saga.
- **No Way Home's Plot and Multiverse Intruders** [51:50] — Dr. Strange's spell goes awry, pulling in characters from previous Spider-Man films, including Doc Ock, Green Goblin, and Sandman.
- **Aunt May's Death and 'Great Responsibility'** [53:00] — Green Goblin kills Aunt May, and her final words are the classic 'with great power comes great responsibility,' shifting the canon event from Uncle Ben.
- **Appearance of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield** [53:54] — Ned's sling ring portals bring in Andrew Garfield's and Tobey Maguire's Spider-Men, who join forces with Tom Holland's Peter.
- **Emotional Goodbyes and Memory Erasure** [57:00] — Peter chooses to have Dr. Strange erase everyone's memory of him to heal the multiverse, leading to a tearful farewell with MJ and Ned.
- **No Way Home's Legacy for Doomsday** [59:09] — The film proved that a multiverse story with returning legacy characters could work, setting the stage for Doomsday's all-star ensemble.
- **Marvel's Confidence for Secret Wars** [60:34] — The success of No Way Home gave Marvel the confidence to bring back actors like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen for Doomsday and Secret Wars.
- **The Miraculous Production of No Way Home** [61:46] — The deal between Sony and Marvel was renegotiated after a near-breakdown, with Bob Iger personally calling Tom Holland to secure his return.
- **The Leak Culture and Fan Hype** [63:49] — The hosts recall the intense leak culture surrounding the film, including a high-quality fake image of Andrew Garfield and a blurred trailer shot.
- **Fan Service and Character Conversations** [67:10] — The film's long conversations between the three Spider-Men are praised, as they explore what it means to be Spider-Man and set a template for Doomsday.
- **Proof of Concept for Doomsday** [68:42] — The hosts argue No Way Home was a proof of concept for the Russo brothers, showing that audiences love seeing heroes from different universes team up.
- **Doctor Strange's Role in Doomsday** [69:15] — Speculation that Doctor Strange will be key in explaining incursions, drawing on his experience from Multiverse of Madness and What If.
- **Potential Spider-Man Appearances in Doomsday** [70:35] — Rumors suggest a secret Toby Maguire cameo, or a visual-only Spider-Man Easter egg, possibly setting up Battleworld.
- **Brand New Day as Doomsday Teaser** [71:33] — The hosts predict that Spider-Man: Brand New Day will contain a post-credits scene directly setting up Doomsday, potentially including a new title or character reveal.
- **Sadie Sink as Jean Grey Theory** [73:40] — A theory that Sadie Sink's character in Brand New Day may be Jean Grey, linking to the upcoming X-Men saga and Doomsday.
- **No Way Home as Test Case for Legacy Returns** [74:23] — Without No Way Home's success, the massive ensemble of returning characters in Doomsday and Secret Wars would not be feasible; Feige has been planning this for years.
- **Battleworld's Potential and Clean Slate** [75:21] — The hosts envision Doomsday and Secret Wars building Battleworld, which will serve as a massive sandbox for character collisions, eventually leading to a clean slate for the MCU's mutant saga.

### Conclusion

The MCU Spider-Man trilogy, especially No Way Home, is a crucial building block for Avengers Doomsday, proving the viability of multiverse storytelling and setting up a massive crossover event that will redefine the MCU's future.

## Transcript

You know, I have a reputation for
spoiling certain things and I think the
studios are keeping me from the the
juicy details, but when I do get to
grace that set, I'm so curious of like
what does that mean for Peter? And I'm
very excited about whatever it is that
they're doing. [laughter] Yeah. Is Tom
Holland going to be in Avengers Doomsday
and Avengers Secret Wars? What lessons
can we learn from his past three
Spider-Man movies before Spider-Man
Brand New Day and Avengers Doomsday? I'm
Eric Boss and this is another episode of
The Road to Doomsday. New Rockstar's
Marvel Rewatch podcast leading up to
Avengers Doomsday on December 18th. In
this podcast, we are revisiting 2017
Spider-Man Homecoming, 2019 Spider-Man
Far From Home, and 2021 Spider-Man No
Way Home. The third of which was
certainly a critical world building
block of the multiverse saga. And
really, all three of which chart Peter's
journey leading up to Brand New Day this
summer. We are revisiting this trilogy
in a great discussion between myself and
special guest Brandon Bareric that I
think you're really going to enjoy. and
an announcement here. In the weeks
leading up to Brand New Day on July
31st, [music] new rock stars will be
revisiting Spider-Man Homecoming, Far
From Home, and No Way Home with all new
in-depth Easter egg breakdowns as well
to uncover even newer visual details
that we never spotted before and
connections that will come full circle
in Brand New Day and beyond. These three
big videos will be coming to the channel
weekly in July. And as we're announcing
some future programming plans, here is
our Road to Doomsday podcast July
schedule. Mark your calendars, listen to
your Peter Tingle, stop doing what guy
in the chair Ned said he was doing in
Homecoming and join us as we web swing
down the road to Doomsday.
And it feels like bringing a fresh face
into the MCU.
>> It really did feel like this was an
interconnected world that was really
confident and we wanted Spider-Man to be
on that train.
>> This is when Marvel cannot miss. [music]
Everyone is buying what the MCU is
selling and it's all good. This was the
movie that proved that Endgame is not
the end [music] of the Marvel story. It
really felt like Marvel's actually doing
this. We're going to have a proper
Secret Wars. Okay, here's Eric and
Brandon talking about the Spider-Man
trilogy of the MCU. A trilogy that we
larb to talk about
>> and I lar you Brandon.
>> I lar you, Eric.
>> Uh yeah, Brandon's back and we're we're
checking we're chatting about Spider-Man
Homecoming, Spider-Man Far From Home,
and Spider-Man No Way Home. Those three
movies, three movies that are very
important to revisit, not just in front
of Spider-Man brand new day, but
specifically the third of those movies
opened up riffs into the multiverse.
certain logic that could be applied to
what's going to happen in Avengers
Doomsday. The riffs could be similar if
a purple glow uh goes through those
cracks in the sky. We're going to be
definitely wanting to revisit what
Doctor Strange and Peter Parker cook up
in Spider-Man Home uh No Way Home and uh
and looking at how the two movies led up
to that. Uh specifically Peter Parker's
journey. Will Peter Parker will Tom
Holland's Peter Parker be in Avengers
Doomsday is a question we have to answer
in this podcast,
>> right? Cuz they're claiming he will not
be there. We He did not get a chair. He
didn't get a chair and no other
indication. Um, you know, Chris Evans
didn't get a chair either, but he's
going to be in the movie.
>> He was in the what? The Russos don't
want to call him trailers, but the
stories.
>> The stories. Yeah. The weird teasers,
the dreams, the stories, whatever the
hell those were. Um, but but I I think
once we see Spider-Man Brand New Day
this summer, we'll have a clearer
indication of whether he whether Tom
Holland will come back in Doomsday or if
we'll have to wait for Secret Wars. But
I think either way, these three movies
as a trilogy are very important to
revisit for Doomsday. And you know, it's
interesting to revisit these three uh
Sony Marvel collaborations directed by
John Watts because I think it's
unfortunate that all the great stuff
that Dustin Daniel Cretton is doing for
A Brand New Day is, you know, recoloring
people's memories for these three movies
as like lesser, as like John Watts had
to cut some corners, that he didn't get
the the swinging right, that the suit
was too Iron Manized in these three
movies. But I think these three movies
are really great. Even Far From Home, I
think all three of them are really fun
to revisit.
>> It is very fun. And I think Jake
Gyllenhaal is so great as Mysterio and
that's like such a fun story. Uh the the
reveal the first time and then
rewatching it uh and knowing what's
going on uh kind of seeing it all
happen. You know, I've I've made my
critiques of this trilogy. I you know, I
was always like annoyed that there
wasn't more swinging around New York
City. I missed that. But one you bring
up the suit. I kind of love that this
movie explains how Spider-Man has such a
nice suit. You know, when you're
watching the Toby Spider-Man, Spider-Man
one, and it's just like he's doing
little drawings and then all of a sudden
he has a studio quality Spider-Man suit.
It's like, where did this come from?
Like, how did he make this uh in Aunt
May's house with a sewing machine, you
know? So, I kind of that was a fun thing
about this trilogy that it kind of
explained how this young man in New York
City with no money was able to get a
cool looking suit and build these web
shooters and do all that. And it's a fun
it's a it's a new take on the Spider-Man
origin that kind of takes three movies
to do his origin story instead of just
cramming it into the first 20 minutes of
the first movie.
>> Yeah, it's interesting. Brand New Day
being described as like um kind of a
proper Spider-Man story almost like a
Spider-Man phase one. you know, um, but
it it I think it's also cool to look at
this these three movies as like not just
a a pre canon event death Spider-Man
story, but one that also really does a
good job um, showing what a kid
Spider-Man looks like, someone who's
still in high school and is living
through the rights of passage that a
high school student does and a kid in
Queens, right? Uh, I think we got to
remember that Spider-Man Homecoming was
trying to fix things about the Toby era,
the Andrew era that were missing,
showing him as a neighborhood, a
friendly neighborhood Queens Spider-Man.
Uh, a kid who is uh having to stuff his
backpack in it or his suit in his
backpack uh with web shooters that break
sometimes. Um, and a kid who is aspiring
to be part of the Avengers, right? The
other two eras of Spider-Man had no
Avengers in their world. Yeah, this is a
kid who, you know, it's been explained,
was at the Stark Expo when Whiplash
showed up and started making things
crazy. Like, this is a kid growing up
thinking, I want to be a superhero. And
I have examples of that. You know, it's
like kids now who want to be YouTubers.
Don't do it, children.
>> It's not worth it. It's more work than
you think. Just get a nice 9 toive job.
>> But Toby and Andrew Spider-Man, they had
no examples of what superheroes were.
This kid does. And in the first movie,
he's, you know, kind of telling Ned,
"Yeah, I'm an Avenger." You know what I
mean? And it's like he's too big for his
britches and he has to learn how to be a
friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Uh
which I think is very important to
building this version of Peter Parker in
the MCU.
>> Yeah. So, let's revisit these titles one
by one. What happens in them? What uh
things might happen in them that could
come back in Doomsday or Secret Wars?
And like interesting facts about how
they were made that we're now only
learning now that these people are
revisiting them ahead of Brand New Day.
So, starting with 2017's Spider-Man
Homecoming. This was kind of group
written. You had uh John Francis Daly
and uh John Watts, the director, uh with
Christopher Ford and Chris McKenna and
Eric Summers. And McKenna and Summers
would be the two screenwriters who would
kind of take this franchise in the
sequels. Uh but you had people from like
the freaks and geeks generation of
people who were kind of helping craft
this story, which I find very
interesting. You can see that in some of
the high school humor, the kind of
losers table that these characters
occupy. Um so it was released on July
7th, 2017. This was a year after we saw
Tom Holland show up in Captain America:
Civil War, something we talked about
earlier this month on the Road to
Doomsday. So, we kind of already had a
sense of how he fit in with the world of
the Avengers, but we got to see him more
focused with Tony Stark in this movie.
So, Homecoming actually opens back in
the aftermath of the Battle of New York
in 2012. Adrien Tombs, played by Michael
Keaton, is leading leading a salvage
operation um in Grand Central Station,
but the DODC comes in uh with that woman
from Jud Gene Amy. You remember her?
She's great. The whole audience loves
judging Amy. I think
>> I did.
>> She was great. She's a great member of
the DODC.
>> She comes in, boots him off the project.
And then eight years later, one of the
biggest plot holes in the MCU ever.
>> Kevin Feige just sitting at the premiere
going.
>> Um, so now we're caught up. We don't
really know what exactly the time gap
was because we're not in 2020 at this
point. It does make sense.
>> Well, I think at this time the MCU was
still kind of sticking with the release
year. So, we're probably around 2017.
>> That makes the most sense.
>> I mean, it was July 2017. We didn't know
like a year later we'd be in a blip
during at this point in the MCU
timeline. I think they were thinking
that was in 2008 and not in 2012. I
think that's what the issue is. Crazy
that they still haven't fixed it in
Disney Plus patches.
>> Literally, I mean, we'll get to it, but
the end of No Way Home, they cover up
Aunt May's tombstone so you can't see
the dates. And it's like, can someone
just be in charge of this? But in the
trailer, in the trailer for Brand New
Day, they do show it was 2024 when she
died. Um, but either way, we're now it's
definitely 2016. Um, we're at Midtown
Science High School where Peter Parker,
Spider-Man played by Tom Holland, is
still riding high after fighting in
Captain America: Civil War as part of
his internship with Tony Stark. He wants
to be a full-time Avenger, but Tony says
he isn't ready. Um, Happy Hogan, John
Fabro, is also back. He's very
dismissive of Peter's superhero sized
aspirations. But one night, Peter stops
a group of criminals robbing an ATM
using some exotic weaponry that seems to
be based on Chitauri tech. Uh he latches
on to and he finds and shuts down the
source of these weapons on his way to
prove that he's meant to be a superhero.
He has to ditch his friend Ned, played
by Jacob Battalon, at a house party, uh
where, you know, mean old Flash Thompson
has called him penis Parker, right? Um
he's off to investigate this weird
explosion and ends up um chasing a few
of Adrien Tomb's crew who were selling
exotic weapons through these suburb um
backyards. Yeah.
>> Um it's kind of fun to see Peter Parker
in a suburb. I don't think we had ever
really seen that.
>> I mean, these movies found fun ways to
take Peter out of swinging around New
York, which you know is fun and it's
like changing up the game from what
we've already seen. We just wanted a
little more New York web swinging, you
know,
>> a little bit. But we got to see at least
Queens. We got to see an elevated train
line in Queens. We got to see him hiding
his backpack behind a dumpster.
>> He's stopping a bicycle thief. He's
helping an old lady. Like the important
things that Spider-Man needs to do.
>> You got Zach Cherry there saying, "Do a
flip." You got Stanley sticking his head
out of a window, flirting with a
neighbor. There's enough there's a
different side of New York that we just
haven't seen delivered in in any
Spider-Man movie up until this, which is
really nice.
>> Very charming.
>> Yeah. Um, but as he's chasing Adrien
Tomb's goons that include Donald Glover,
let's not forget
>> given that given that Prowler voice
doing the a very deep voice.
>> Yeah. Logan Marshall Green, Bohem
Woodbine is there. All these people that
we thought were going to be bigger
villains in the movie.
>> Hey, Shocker could come back at any
moment.
>> Oh, I hope he does. Um, Peter ends up
nearly drowned in a lake by Tombs
himself from his vulture regalia. Um, a
hollow Iron Man suit comes to rescue
comes to the rescue. and Tony who's at a
wedding in India. Um maybe Kingo's uh
wedding. We never really find out who.
No, it's not his. Uh but he kind of
remotely chides Peter for being in over
his head, but a tracking device on one
of Tomb's crew leads Peter to Baltimore
under the cover of joining his academic
decathlon team on a trip to Washington
DC. Ned and Peter hack into his suit to
remove one of Stark's training wheels
protocols and take out a tracking
device. So Peter tries to stop Tombs
from stealing the trickeen salvage from
the DoDC truck. but winds up trapped
inside of a secure DODCH facility and
misses his decathlon in DC. Uh worse, he
realizes that a power core from one of
the weapons that he and Ned had been
studying is basically a ticking time
bomb. The core explodes while Ned and
the Decathlon team including Zindea MJ
are visiting the Washington Monument. Uh
one of the first times the Washington
Monument is damaged in the MCU later by
Red Hulk. Uh, but Peter arrives in the
nick of time, is able to rescue
everybody, including Liz Laura Harrier,
uh, who he's been crushing on this
entire movie. When Peter gets back to
New York, he figures out that a weapons
deal will go down on the Staten Island
Ferry. Peter intervenes and then Tombs
intervenes. Peter's intervening.
[laughter]
Uh, and it's in this point where Matt
Gargan, played by Michael Mando, uh,
gets thrown overboard. He's going to
come back in Brand New Day. Uh, I really
slammed my arm on the table just now.
You're ready for scoring.
>> The set's about to fall over. Um, but a
malfunction weapon cuts the ferry in
half. Luckily, Iron Man helps out as
well. And they're able to stitch it back
together. But basically, Peter gets his
suit taken away. If you're
>> What's the line? If you can't work the
suit, you don't get to be the guy.
Something
>> something along those lines.
>> I swear I did re-watch the movie,
[laughter] but I rewatched lots of
>> three Spider-Man movies to watch.
>> Yeah. Uh, but it is one of the great
moments in this movie. Uh, Iron Man, uh,
Tony Stark, uh, Robert Downey Jr. got
paid quite a bit of money to be in this
movie.
>> Well, and this set the precedent, right?
Because this is a Sony Marvel double
joint. You know, you you get one MCU
character or a couple I mean, Happy
Hogan's there, too, but one MCU hero
will show up in a Spider-Man movie as
part of the trade for using Spider-Man
and Avengers movies.
>> Yeah. So, um, so now Peter in the middle
of the movie is refocusing on just being
a good high school student. He's able to
ask Liz to homecoming. She says yes, but
when Peter goes to pick her up, take her
to the dance. One of the greatest twists
of the MCU.
>> A great twist.
>> Answering the door is Adrien Tombs
herself. Yes, he is Liz's father. And
from the car ride, he's able to kind of
deduce that this kid, this kid who's
sweating bullets in the back seat is
probably that same kid.
>> I mean, what a great use of Michael
Keaton. What a great use. Great villain.
>> He's never been more terrifying.
>> No,
>> he's really great.
>> The red light, green light on his face,
looking through the rearview mirror.
when he fries, you know, he fries one of
his henchmen and he's like, "I thought
that was a gravity gun." I don't know.
>> Whoopsy daisy.
>> Whoopsy doopsy. [laughter]
>> So Adrien tells Peter to back off, but
Peter doesn't. Instead, he ditches Liz
at the dance
>> and foiling an attempted heist by Tombs
on a cargo jet full of valuable Stark
tech from Stark Tower as they're
relocating from Avengers Tower to
upstate New York.
>> Yes, this established that uh Tony had
sold the tower. a mystery. They that
made a lot of New Rockstars videos,
>> a lot of videos that would not get
resolved until Thunderbolts.
Thunderbolts. Yeah. Uh so Tombs ends up
apprehended. Tony sufficiently impressed
and formally invites Peter to join the
Avengers, which Peter respectfully
declines despite getting a badass Iron
Spider suit offered to him. Uh Gwyneth
Paltro shows up, did not remember that
she was in this about the se Well, I
mean to they must have shot this as part
of another movie, right? This wasn't
another day they bring. probably
shooting this around the same time they
were shooting Avengers Infinity War. And
she's like, "Okay, I just did an extra
day for that Infinity War shoot. I
didn't know that was for that movie."
>> Who who could know?
>> Uh, but the movie ends with Peter back
in his classic Spider-Man suit in his
bedroom where um Aunt May walks in and
goes, "What the?"
>> And uh yeah, Marissa Toé gets the what
the ends up also being the final line of
Spider-Man Far From Home after. Another
another thing this trilogy did really
well where you know the the especially
the Toby Spider-Man was all about like
keeping his identity from everybody.
This movie like each movie more people
get to know that he's Spider-Man
ultimately leading to the problem uh and
No Way Home which is like again I like I
love that this trilogy kind of didn't
follow the formula of the two
Spider-Man, you know, franchises we
already had and we got to skip past it.
it. You know, it's very much like when
they finally realize like we don't need
a Batman origin story in every Batman
movie. You know, we don't got to see the
Waynees get shot in the alleyway and the
pearls go flying. Like, we get it. We
know what happens. We all are clear on
it. Let's just get to the fun stuff.
>> Yeah. There's a lot of um you know,
hints at the backstory there. There was
a spider that bit Peter, but all all
Peter says to Ned is the spider's dead.
>> We don't [clears throat] meet an Uncle
Ben, but there is a dead Uncle Ben in
the past of this character.
>> Yeah. We see the suitcase in Far From
Home has Uncle Ben's initials on it.
>> EFP. But we we learn later from the
Russo brothers just in the past month or
two that like in their mind, Uncle Ben,
Uncle Ben's death was not Peter's fault,
right?
>> That it was through some other kind of
incident that happened that to where
Peter doesn't kick himself for that. Um
that I guess in the lore of the Tom
Holland version of Peter Parker, it is
Aunt May's death that is the with great
power, with great responsibility cannon
event that inspires him,
>> which is fair. And you know there civil
war they kind of had that mysterious
line of like when the bad things happen
and you don't do something you know and
everyone thought that was he was
referring to as Ben but this is also a
kid who grew up and lived through the
battle of New York. So in his mind and
he's he again he has examples of heroes
out there. So you know I think that's
enough in his mind to be like I've been
given this power and everyone else in
our world who's given a power is using
it for good so I should be doing that
too.
>> Yeah. Um, I I really like Spider-Man
Homecoming. It's It's fun to revisit it
because I think it's reflective of like
the high that the MCU was on in the
later Infinity Saga movies. Um, like it
really did feel like this was an
interconnected world that was really
confident and we wanted Spider-Man to be
on that train at the speed it was
moving. So, it was really effective that
John Watts was able to make this movie
that felt like a uniquely small
Spider-Man story. It really did feel
like a friendly neighborhood movie. It
felt like a true homecoming for the
character because it was so awesome to
just have Spider-Man home in the MCU.
Like we look back on it and kind of roll
our eyes that Peter had to immediately
get Iron Manized with this like overly
powerful suit. But we forget that in
that movie. The movie even judges Peter
for having too much technology in the
movie and it ends with him not having
that um that much technology and we have
to see him fight in the final fight with
his homemade suit.
>> Yeah.
>> And I I love that about
>> I love that suit too. It's great. That's
what you expect Spider-Man to have,
right? Toby had it for a little bit at
the very beginning of his movie, but
like it is nice that that kind of like
ties him to his origins in a great way.
>> Yeah. The um this movie, all three of
these movies
>> have I think more Easter eggs than your
average Marvel movie. Having broken down
every MCU movie, I can say that like
there are filmmakers who are kind of
like, "Yeah, we thrown some Easter eggs
in there. The Russo brothers, for
example, they don't really care that
much about Easter eggs. John Watts is
obsessed with them. He throws in every
number you see on the screen, every
license plate. There are uh the fact
that um the principal of the school is
the grandson of
>> right one of the commandos.
>> Um you have Martin Star coming back as
like another as like Mr. Harrington who
was according to Kevin Feige, the same
character from uh the Incredible Hulk
movie from 2008. He's like in the MCU
like every person, every street sign,
every license plate. Years later, John
Watts is like, "I hit a Howard the Duck
Easter egg somewhere in the movie. No
one's found it." We took the challenge.
We found it in a video. And he shouted
us out on Twitter and says, "Good work.
He found it. It was one of the license
plates on the ferry." Um, and we only
knew that because in Spider-Man Far From
Home, uh, every license plate that he
puts in the movie, he's like one of the
only directors.
>> He loves that license plate trick. Yeah.
Um there's uh like there's just like a
lot. These movies are fun to find the
Easter eggs in. They're just everywhere.
Uh specifically, yeah, this is a movie
that introduces Donald Glover as the
Aaron Davis of the MCU. He's still in
this universe.
>> He says he has a nephew.
>> His line saying, "I got a nephew who
lives in Brooklyn tells us that there is
a Miles Morales somewhere in the MCU."
That's very exciting for all of us.
Something that could be picked up with
at any point in the MCU. And like
[clears throat] when he's buying the
illegal, he doesn't want the fancy tech,
right? And then when he hears these like
these these crawler wall crawling
things, he's like kind of interested.
And it's like, oh, they wanted to do it.
They wanted to get us in there. And then
eventually that led to him playing the
Prowler uh in Beyond the Spider-Verse.
Yeah. Right.
>> Yeah. Which we still don't really know.
>> Across the Spiderverse.
>> Across the Spiderverse. And we don't
know how connected that is. Obviously
Donald Glover has been so associated
with Miles Brown.
>> And that could be another version of,
you know, I don't think it's from our
universe or anything.
>> Right. from voicing him in the animated
series, uh, from playing from wearing
the Spider-Man costume in the Community
episode, like everyone's been wanting
him to do to play Miles Morales in live
action. Now he's probably too old.
>> Give us old man Miles. Who cares?
>> Yeah, just do it.
>> Um, and we also learned that like in
Beyond the Spider-Verse and Across the
Spider-Verse that in certain universes
like uh Miles's variant is the Prowler.
So like yeah, there's a lot of ways you
can connect it. Either way though, um,
yeah, this seemed to be so open-ended.
This world was, this spider corner of
the MCU felt for many of us like this is
the this is the version of Spider-Man I
want. Someone who doesn't feel like
closed off from his world or an else
world. It felt like a proper
>> like 616 Spider-Man. Um, like Tom
Holland, just how young he was when he
was first cast. It really felt like a
teenage scrawny Peter. I loved Andrew
Garfield Spider-Man, but by the time he
played the character, he already seemed
to be like late 20s.
>> He was a movie star. Tom Holland at this
point had done the impossible. Yeah, he
was a Billy Elliot.
>> Well, he was in Civil War. He was
already already
>> But I mean, just even casting Tom
Holland, it it hearkens back to the
beginning of the MCU when there were
some casting choices where like these
aren't big names yet and they became big
names thanks to their casting. And I
think choosing someone where like people
will see his face and not instantly
associate that actor with something
else, another body of work, it really
works. And it feels like bringing a
fresh face into the MCU, both as an
actor and within its world of like
bringing in a new hero in Spider-Man.
And it it is incredible that like even
though this is a Sony joint, like it
really fits in really well despite their
poor use of time jumps. Uh uh it it
feels like part of the MCU fully baked.
Yeah. Um even though every other Spider
thing they've tried to do over at Sony
just doesn't seem to work. This one
works really well.
>> Yeah, it really does work really well.
Um the way it was made, I mean, we
talked about the origin story of this,
but it is just fascinating to look at
like how this weird weird deal came
about between Marvel and Sony. Like
basically there's so many kind of like
what if conditionals that led to this
even happening. Specifically like you
had uh 2014 was kind of the pivotal year
because the Sam Ramy trilogy of
Spider-Man movies was so successful for
Sony more successful than any Marvel
Studios movie was that Kevin Feige had
made. Um specifically Spider-Man 3 made
a lot of money. It's really weird that
Sam Ramy allowed Sony to reboot it in
2010. They're like we're not going to do
a fourth one. I think that caught even
Tobey Magcguire. Yeah.
>> Uh, by surprise. But either way, they
did reboot it with Andrew Garfield. That
decision to go from Toby and Spider-Man
4. I think it was like Toby would have
cost too much money. Maybe they were
worried about Toby's gambling or
something like that.
>> Well, and his like physical health,
right? He had already damaged his back
>> at that point. And
>> I still think he wanted to do another
one.
>> I'm sure he did want to do another one.
>> Yeah. He like he was um I can't remember
where he played a P not a P a veteran in
the 2010 movie with Jake Gyllenhaal. I
might be getting it wrong, but he was
like trying to get a Golden Globe
nomination. Right. And then the
interviewer asked him in January of 2010
like are you excited to come back for
Spider-Man 4? He's like yeah we're going
to be shooting it next year. I can't
wait. Um and then like a week later Sony
announced like oh actually we're
rebooting it. Uh we're going to have a
new Spider-Man. We're not going to do
Sam Ramy Spider-Man. It was Spider-Man 4
that was going to have Vulture in it,
right?
>> That was going to have Vulture, which is
weird how Sony kept a lot of stuff.
>> John Malovich, right?
>> John Malovich,
>> the man born to play the comic book
version of the Vulture.
>> They were going to have Bruce Campbell
redcon as Mysterio.
>> Yeah.
>> So, like between Vulture and Mysterio,
you could see people at Sony wanted to
keep these characters alive. Lizard was
going to be part of it. Obviously, they
brought in Lizard for Andrew Garfield.
So, um Yeah. Yeah. So, then they move
forward with Andrew Garfield and they
get Mark Webb to direct those next two
films. And the first one does pretty
great. The second one just does slightly
worse and they're like it. Nope. It they
panicked. But it was also around the
year of the Sony hack. Yeah. That
freaked out everyone because Sony was
going through a lot of bad press because
like all these Scott Ruden emails were
coming out. Amy Pascal wasn't looking
that good.
>> Is that when the like rules about
Spider-Man came out?
>> That's where the the rules that did not
come from Sony. They came from Marvel.
It was like it was Ike Pearlmut's rules
for Spider-Man that says he has to be
white. He has to be straight. Uh, he
can't do this. He can't smoke. He can't
like do drugs. He can't
>> Yeah, let Spider-Man smoke.
>> Let him vape at least.
>> Yeah,
>> let him get a little popcorn lung. Who
cares?
>> Um, it'll heal.
>> So, that comes out and I think uh Amy
Pascal was just kind of more vulnerable
in general. So, and and then Kevin
Feige, I don't know if he intentionally
recognized this timing, but in like
April of 2014, he gets like Louis
Despazito, he gets Brad Winderbomb, he
gets Steven Brousard, uh Nate Moore,
they all kind of rent out a hotel suite
in Santa Monica. And they basically have
a secret brainstorming meeting of like,
let's find a way to convince Amy Pascal
to partner with us to get a new version
of Spider-Man who can be in our next
like big Avengers teamup movie. She goes
in uh with Kevin Feed. They have a
meeting. And she says, "Fuck off."
Throws a sandwich at him.
>> Sandwich her around the world.
>> Sandwich her around the world. Uh Kevin
Feige is like, "I still CNN." And
eventually in the second meeting, she
goes, "Okay." I don't know what he said
to her, but they agree to this deal
where Sony and Marvel Disney will
co-inance
uh and co-produce the next Spider-Man
movie. They're going to cast a new
Spider-Man. Um and that Spider-Man will
appear in the next Avengers team up
movies, which would have been Captain
America um Civil War. Kevin Feige
basically has to go to war with like Ike
Pearl Mutter in order to even get the
money to do that for Civil War.
Eventually he wins. He just drops by the
conference room where Marcus and Mcily
and the Russos are and he goes we got
him basically and they're like okay I
guess we got to we got him.
>> We got him. Um it all just kind of works
out to Fig's advantage. I think Feige
made a deal with Meisto. He did one of
those makeaish things from Obsession and
just got [clears throat] his his life
worked out perfectly from there. But
yeah, um, so the first appearance, of
course, they cast Tom Holland for Civil
War. The Russos are involved in that
casting. I think John Watts might be in
the room for that casting.
>> And if you haven't watched his screen
test or his audition self tape to be
Spider-Man, he does a backflip in it and
it's incredible. And like there is a lot
of CG and previs in these movies, but
like in the behind the scenes, like Tom
is doing a lot of like acrobatics and he
has, you know, his his training as a
dancer makes him so good at Spider-Man.
Yeah. And really gives him the
athleticism to do it.
>> I think it's the back flip that got him
the role.
>> Yeah. I I mean, it's incredible
>> cuz he was a stage actor in Billy Elliot
and a stage dancer. He was one of the
four Billy Elliott actors on the West
End. He goes from there to be in the
impossible, the Naomi Watts um you
McGregor tsunami wave movie. He's great
in it as a kid
>> and he's he just did like a good hang.
Tom Holland did Amy Pull's good hang and
he kind of talks about how like Nomi
Watts like taught him to be a film actor
like is teaching him while while they're
doing this insane movie uh you know all
this stuff and she's very patient and
teaches him so much. We I believe at
this time Josh Hutcherson was also
reading for the parts or maybe he was
reading for it when Andrew Garfield got
it but there was like other young actors
who were being considered.
>> I mean he says like it was like 1 1500
people are like auditioning at least. I
>> I might be wrong. Timothy Shalamé might
have submitted.
>> He had to have his his people would have
submitted him for it. Uh Austin Abrams I
think might have been considered because
he was on Homeland during this time. It
wouldn't surprise me if Austin Abrams
>> Where was Austin Butler at? He must
have. Right. [laughter] He was Austin
Butler. I think he was with Colonel Tom
Parker somewhere in the southern
circuit.
>> Ah, everyone wants a piece of
Spider-Man. [laughter]
>> So, Holland gets it. He gets Sarah Haley
Finn is like, "This guy, this kid did a
backflip." Maybe that's even why they
had uh Zach Cherry say, "Do a flip."
Like, I think that is definitely why he
got the part.
>> They had to have been. I mean, yeah. So,
he Yeah, he's in Civil War. Does a great
job. He And then they start shooting
this movie and clearly with John Francis
Dailyaly, John Watts. John Watts was
someone who like had done Waverly Films.
He was like a new uh NYC film school guy
who put together like a film um like a
filmmaker club and their YouTube channel
you can see as an Easter egg in this
movie. Um and so like he's buddies with
people like Jake Shrier whenever like
when I went to the Thunderbolts
premiere, John Watts was there
definitely looked at me and did one of
these like I don't know. No, I'm just
kidding. He didn't do that. He didn't do
>> he he was supposed to direct Fantastic
4. He was originally going to direct
Fantastic 4, right? John Watts.
>> Yes. Yes, he
>> and then he like was like, I don't want
to do it anymore.
>> Yeah, he backed out. Um
>> cuz I it was like right off the heels of
fan of
>> No Way Home. And I think he realized
like actually I would like to take a
break.
>> Yes, that's true. Um so, uh but yeah,
he's directing it very much like a
coming of age movie. Like this is like a
high school thing where he wants it to
be like a John Hughes movie. Especially
when you go back and you watch, you
know, Toby's uh Toby's high school is
filled with 30 year olds and it's just
it is
>> Joe Manganello is like 46 when he
watches that.
>> To see like these high school kids and
like the comedy with the kids is so
good. It's so
>> Tony Revel is really great in this.
Jacob Batalon, Zena, they all feel like
kids who are just like kind of hilarious
and also kind of dumb.
>> Everyone on the athletic team is like or
the academic team is so funny. You know,
there's just a lot of great moments.
>> Yes. It it it feels like um Ferris
Spieler. It feels like Freaks and Geeks.
I remember the way it was marketed. It
felt like a high school kind of Perks of
Being a Wallflower type movie. And um we
got to talk about the marketing in this
movie because man, they were making fun
of the posters in the trailer for how
much Iron Man was in this. Remember the
posters, Robert Downey Jr.'s face in
three different poses, and it was huge.
Um,
there's the infamous shot at the end of
the Spider-Man Homecoming trailer that
showed Peter Parker and and Iron Man
swinging and flying together through a
New York movie. Not in the movie. There
was never even a scene where that
happened. They completely they
>> that was happening a lot around the
>> trailer year after Rogue One. And Rogue
One had like tons of scenes where it's
like a TIE fighters dropping down in
front of
>> But at least Rogue One it was like
Gareth Edwards shot one version of the
movie and then Tony Gilroy came in and
re-shot the movie. So there was like a
completely different version of the
movie that like this was like clearly
Sony's marketing people were just like
hey animators put together this shot
that we'll only put in the show.
>> And I wonder if part of that calculation
was like this deal needs to work or else
like
>> you know Pascal's on the line and Kevin
Fee is on the line. Like if this doesn't
work out it it's a total mess.
>> And it did really work. The movie made
more money than than either of the two
Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies. You
could call it the Downey bump,
>> but it it got to over $800 million. This
is this is when you know Marvel is like
cannot miss, right? Everything that
comes out is doing really well. Even
like the smaller movies like Ant-Man,
you know, they're still doing very well
at the box office. Like everyone is
buying what the MCU is selling and it's
all good. So yeah, Spider-Man Homecoming
uh comes out right in the the hot streak
of of late Infinity Saga Marvel movies.
You go from Doctor Strange in late 2016,
then you go into uh 2017 where you have
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol in May, you
have Spider-Man Homecoming in July, and
then you have Thor Ragnarok in November.
And I remember that's when new Rockstars
is like, "Whoa, something is really
happening." Like Marvel movies were
always popular, but it's like every week
we have either a new trailer or a
digital release or something. All these
movies marketing cycles were
overlapping. And then in November of
2017, you have the Infinity War trailer.
And all these movies felt like it was
building up to something hot. We knew
Tom Holland Spider-Man was going to be
an Infinity War. So, it was super
exciting. Infinity War comes out
obviously blows everyone's minds and
Endgame comes out and blows everyone's
minds. But before Endgame comes out, we
get trailers for Spider-Man Far From
Home. And there was a weird period where
it's like, wait, Spider-Man
>> or Spider-Man dusted at the end of
Infinity War? He must come back in
Endgame. I mean, no one thought that
these people weren't Everyone knew they
were coming back.
>> Yeah. But they had to I remember in the
early trailers for Spider-Man Far From
Home had to edit around the fact that
Tony Stark dies.
>> Right. Right.
>> There's so many shots in that trailer
where Spider-Man looks kind of sad
looking at some mural that's off screen.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They took out the mural.
Yeah.
>> So, it was a weird movie to market. Uh
and we knew it was going to be coming
out after Endgame, a movie that in many
lay people's minds was like the end of
the MCU. So, it's like why are we still
extending?
>> I mean, even those final credits, right?
It's like got everyone's signature at
the end. You just hear Iron Man's hammer
at the end. It's like I think to a very
casual member, you know, MCU fan that's
like, "Okay, well, they're done.
>> I've seen All I Need to See." And for a
while it was like, "Well, maybe we did."
>> But it was like where at the same time
we also had to be like, "Well, this
Spider-Man kid story has to continue."
>> Um, so we were presented this movie and
the movie does come out in July of 2019.
uh two months after Endgame comes out
and here's what ends up happening in
Spider-Man Far From Home. We begin the
movie in Mexico where Nick Fury, Samuela
Jackson, and Maria Hill, Kobe Soldiers,
show up uh and they meet Quinton Beck,
Mysterio, played by Jake Gyllenhaal,
while he's investigating some attack by
these things that we think are called
elementals that are, you know, some kind
of Sandmanesque creature that's not
Sandman. Um uh Nick Fury learns that
Quinton Beck is a superhero from a
parallel version of Earth, according to
him. Yeah. who's come to our universe to
fight these elementals before they
destroy this earth like his earth was
destroyed. Uh we're back in Queens now
and then Peter and Ned and and MJ.
They're all dealing with the uh the life
post blip. There have been some
characters who continue to age up 5
years and some kids who have stayed the
same age like Peter Parker and Ned and
MJ.
>> And this movie has to like do so much.
This is the first movie after Endgame
which we all loved and it was great. And
then you have like all these questions
of like, wait, how does it how did it
work? This movie coined the blip cuz I
think at this point we were also calling
it the snap.
>> We called it the snap or the dusting.
This movie called it the blip.
>> And it it's funny that like this movie
comes in with like not a scientist. It's
not Eric Selvig explaining how it all
worked. It's like the morning news
report. It's Betty Allen.
>> It's all done for Betty uh Brandt.
>> Betty Brandt. I almost said Betty Ross
and that's someone else. Someone else.
Betty Brandt is explaining in these
hilarious Midtown High things that is
another staple of the trilogy.
>> You got one kid who's like got, you
know, the the blip when I turned pretty
basically like Brad.
>> Yeah, he's grown up.
>> Freaking Brad.
>> We get to see the moment. Uh this is
like the first time we see blip fiction
in the MCU. And I wish we explored this
more of like characters returning in the
middle of a marching band. Like marching
band kids return in the middle of a
basketball game. We hear
>> you compare this to like you compare
this to like Yolena's like traumatic
what happened to her in the blip or or
uh uh Ram Maria Rambo's mother dusting
away, you know? It's like or Monica
Rambo, she comes back, the hospital's
all panicked.
>> Yeah. Like this is like, wow, we're at a
basketball game. Woohoo.
>> And that little Brad Allen wimpy kid is
now a hunk. What the heck? Um but Peter
Peter's also grieving the loss of Tony
Stark. Uh everybody is just kind of uh
saying, "Hey, you know what? Let's do a
summer trip to Europe. We immediately
leave New York.
>> It's like a science trip basically.
>> Yes. It's like a research trip, but also
we're going to museums and and other
things, you know, Europe famous.
>> I mean, they they JB Smooth calls out
like, "We've done no science on this
science [laughter] trip, which is very
funny."
>> So, the movie kind of has like a
randomness to it that I think a lot of
people when they revisit it like, "What
the hell is this movie?"
>> I mean, you know what? This is like this
is Spider-Man tax breaks is what it is.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah,
>> the Czech Republic gave a nice check to
come shoot over in Prague. [gasps]
>> So, we go to Venice, Italy first, where
a water elemental attack. It's not
hydroman, it's a water elemental.
Mysterio subdues it, but kind of in a
way that seems overly destructive to
this historic architecture of of Venice.
Peter's able to help. Um, he has to wear
this comedia delarte mask that I think
is very fun. Uh, a bell tower nearly or
it does end up collapsing.
>> Yeah, he drops it eventually.
>> You got to be careful in the
architecture event. The whole city's
sinking. Um, but Fury, Nick Fury catches
up with Peter and gives him this gift
from Tony Stark. A controversial gift in
the eyes of many Marvel fans. Edith.
Edith. All uh, even dead I'm the hero.
>> Um, a pair of high-tech glasses that
interface seamlessly with a global web
of Stark tech. Peter can kind of, it's
almost like um, X-ray specs where Peter
can kind of
>> he can read people's text messages. He
can assign killer drone. It's basically
Ronald Reagan's Star Wars program
connected and it you know this movie
establishes that later that like the
DODC takes all this stuff but it's kind
of funny that like Tony set this up
>> and it was like did the government even
know about these things? I don't know.
>> It's one of like a lot of people
consider it one of the biggest mistakes
of the MCU like why would Tony Stark I
know he trusts Peter Parker that is an
insanely powerful
>> didn't know he was going to die that
day. Okay,
>> even dead I'm the hero. He put dead in
the name of the game. is also like when
you really think about it, it's like he
set this all up. Did he do it during the
blip? Like thinking like eventually
Peter Parker will come back. Did he do
this before the snap?
>> He did. No, he didn't do it before the
snap. He did it when um he was unlocking
time travel during Endgame and he sees
the Peter or the photo of Peter
>> and at some point while he's coming up
with those wristwatches, he's like, "You
know what? I might die during the time
heist. I'm going to set up this thing
and tell Nick McFury about it for Peter
if I can get assuming I can get Peter
Parker back.
>> I'm going to have this thing. So, he's
that confident that they were going to
be able to reverse.
>> He had talked to him in 5 years. He's
like, I think that kid was good. He was
a good kid. I don't know. I bet he's
drinking.
>> He didn't give it to Pepper or his
daughter when she would turn 18. He gave
it to a 17-year-old.
>> Pepper could barely get the thing out of
his chest without freaking out. I'm not
going to give her the glasses.
>> Could have given it to Happy Hogan, his
head of security.
>> No. Happy Hogan. No. Absolutely.
>> He could have dismantled the technology.
That would have been a smarter way to do
>> that. I mean, he still wants to put a
shield of armor around the world like
>> he's even when he's dead.
>> Even when he's dead, he's the hero.
>> It's insane. So, uh they're on their way
to Prague now and now a fire elemental
attacks uh while they're on the ferris
wheel. And that's where we learn night
monkey, the term that Ned comes up.
That's telling because Ned and Betty are
kind of dating in this movie.
>> Yeah.
>> Very fun. So, Night Monkey, Peter, and
Quinton Beck fight off this monster
again. And while celebrating afterwards,
Peter decides that he's not ready to be
the new Tony Stark. But Beck is and
Peter stupidly gives this stranger the
Edith glasses.
>> Well, I you know, I I buy the reasoning.
It makes sense. You know, he has lost
Tony, he's distraught. It's a lot of
pressure. You know, when he's at the
feast uh banquet earlier and everyone's
like, "Are you the new Iron Man? Are are
you an Avenger? Like, who's going to
save us? What if these things come
back?" Like these are people who have
been traumatized for decades in the MCU
and it there's a lot of pressure on him
and he sees a guy who is like Iron Man,
you know, he's like a mix of Iron Man
and Doctor Strange. He's like, "This guy
is here. He's competent. He knows how to
deal with a threat. I shouldn't have
this stuff." And he reads into the card
that you know uh Tony left him that's
like you know what to do kind of thing.
and he sees it as like Tony knew that I
wasn't ready but knew I would know who
is ready.
>> Yeah.
>> Um this leads to one of the big twists
of the movie that Quinton Beck is a
complete liar about being from a
parallel earth. He's actually a
disgruntled former Stark employee. The
guy who invented Barf but did not name
it Barf.
>> Great sequence.
>> Completely furious that Tony Stark
called it binary augmented retroframing
the barf. Um, and that he's got a whole
team of disgruntled Stark in uh
employees, including William
Gintterriva, all the way back from Iron
Man 1, played by Peter Billings Leaf,
the kid from the Christmas Story. Uh,
he's running these hollow projector
technology there. All these actors have
been stalking Peter in the background
throughout the movie, which is a really
fun thing to discover as you rewatch it.
Um, they were following him in uh
Venice. You do see um Jake Gyllenhaal in
the background when Peter's buying the
necklace. It's just kind of fun little
Easter eggs there. Uh, and really what
they're going to do is use the tech that
ETH gives to give Mysterio access in
order to stage all these Avengers level
events, these threats so that he can be
the hero uh, and and become like the
rightful kind of Avenger that he wants
to be. Um, Peter figures this out thanks
to a piece of debris that MJ has found
in Prague. Uh, yes, MJ in this movie
clearly discovers that Peter is
Spider-Man. It's a nice reveal that like
I know you're Spider-Man.
>> Yeah, she's known for a while. Uh, so
Peter goes to Berlin to try to warn Nick
Fury and confront Quinton Beck. But the
whole thing is another illusion by
Quinton Beck. Uh, this incredible
hallucinatory montage that is really
fun.
>> Fun and very Mysterio. Like that's great
comic book stuff.
>> Yeah, a lot of it is like Frame Store
VFX, but it's kind of a beautifully
designed sequence.
>> Um, and it successfully works on Peter.
He reveals that MJ and Ned are aware of
the truth and eventually uh Peter gets
completely sideswiped by a train. Uh so
Peter wakes up in rural Holland like the
actor's name with some uh Netherlands
soccer fans.
Everyone's super friendly in Holland.
Great.
>> Yep. And then he reconnects with Happy
Hogan in a tulip field. Uh
>> yeah, that was rude by the way, landing
in the tulip
>> crunch. That's someone's business.
Um, so Happy gives Peter a pretty solid
pep talk on the jet and uses the the
suit or the
>> the fabricator
>> the fabricator in the back of the of the
jet to build a new suit that Peter
designs. And then they fly to London and
Peter arrives just in time as Beck is
staging a massive elemental attack on
Tower Bridge. Uh, Peter shorts out the
drones and reveals the attack for the
illusion that it really is. While
fighting Peter, Beck is shot by a drone
and dies. There's a really cool move
where Peter doesn't fall for the trick
and uses a Spidey sense to grab the gun
that's being pointed at his head.
Terrified. He was about to get shot in
the head via Kong style. It was insane.
That would have been wild. Uh Peter gets
the Edith glasses back and all the kids
make it back home to New York. Ned and
Betty just break up.
>> Doesn't last long.
>> That's very healthy.
>> And we end the movie with some webs
slinging through Manhattan with MJ. It's
great. But then we go straight to a
mid-credit scene
>> that sets up the third movie. Quinton
Beck had a poshumous gift for Peter,
pinning the whole London attack on him
and revealing his true identity to the
world as Peter Parker. And then a
postredit scene reveals that the Nick
Fury and Maria Hill throughout this
movie have actually been scrolls in
disguise the whole time and that Nick
Fury is actually on a scroll space
station looking for his shoes. Something
that doesn't really get delivered on
until I guess Secret Invasion, but we
never really see that space station.
>> No, cuz that's not Saber. Cuz the space
station we see in the Marvels is not
that space station.
>> It's weird. This is after we met scrolls
in Captain Marvel.
>> This is like a fully scroll ship. I
think I took it as to be like this is a
scroll ship.
>> It's a scroll ship. We thought this was
going to led to secret invasion. Never
really
>> did leave.
>> It kind of did, but we don't see that
ship again.
>> We see him on a different space station
in the Marvels,
>> but that's not a scroll space station.
It's weird. This was a very weird
>> It's a very weird reveal. And like this
is kind of a hint that, you know, phase
4 is going to be a little all over the
place. And this is the beginning of like
Kevin Feige getting stretched very thin
and like storylines being planted and
then not coming through and and then of
course a pandemic will hit which will
change release dates and things will
have to get reworked and it it gets a
little messy from here on out.
>> I mean we had we had um MTO saying too
many sorcerers that we assumed would be
addressed in the second Doctor Strange
movie. We had this that we assumed would
be addressed in the future. And when
these sequels came out to these movies
and didn't address it at all,
>> it was very weird. That's when people
were like, "Uhoh." Uh, specifically,
like I could even uh give a pass to
James Gun's postredit. He had five post
credit scenes at the end of Guardians of
the Galaxy Volume 2,
>> and pretty much all of them were
addressed. You had Adam Warlock come out
in uh volume 3. You had the Ravagers
come back in volume three. Even I
believe all of them except for Alita
Ogour did show back up. Yeah. you had
Mainframe uh and you had um uh the the
sorcerer crew show up. You had Martin X
show up. Um so like James Gunn did a
good job delivering and bringing back
enough of his characters.
>> Um but
>> uh yeah, this this Nick Fury scroll
reveal was very weird and it felt like a
one for you. I mean JK Simmons showed up
in the mid-credit scene. It was very
very exciting.
>> Yes. um u revealing that JK Simmons is
the only actor who can play Jay Jonah
Jameson in any
>> any Marvel timeline.
>> Yeah.
>> Um it was the scroll one where people
were like, "Wait, what?"
>> Yeah. And I you know, I think Sony has a
dubious history with their postredit
scenes and Spider-Man movies. So,
>> you know, I I don't know how much like
they checked in with Marvel on all of
this. You know, I think it I don't know
how much of it was like, oh, they're
gonna do a scroll thing with Nick Fury
or like we need Nick Fury to be dumb
enough to fall for Mysterio that we have
to replace him with. It's this it's kind
of implied in this movie that like, man,
the last five years were really rough.
Everyone's taking a vacation
>> and Spider-Man has to kind of deal with
us a lot of this stuff. There's also a
great deleted scene in this movie. I
don't know why they deleted it. when
Spider-Man's getting ready to go to uh
overseas. He has to get his passport and
stuff and he like fights a crime family
in his Iron Spider suit and it's very
cool. They kind of It's not The effects
aren't fully finished on it, but it's a
fun sequence that I wish they had kept
in the movie.
>> It was the Man Freddy's.
>> Oh, it was the Man Freddy's
>> Silverman who ends up being a villain in
Spider Noir. Yeah, but it would have
been a different version of the movie
for sure. I I It looks like a really
cool sequence. I wish they kept it in.
Um this
>> Yeah, this whole movie is like, "Oh,
this is great and I love all this. I
love what Mysterio is doing. You could
have done this in New York. I I Yeah.
Putting it overseas. There's some kind
of specious reasoning of like it it's
more believable. It happened somewhere
else, but like and I guess they Quinton
Beck knew that Peter was going to they
find out that he's getting Edith. It
pisses them all off. So, they come up
with a scheme and they know he's going
overseas for this trip and they're like,
"Well, it'll it'll work better overseas,
so we're going to do it over there." I
don't know. It's a lot of difficult
field producing that they have to do to
find like warehouses in different cities
in Europe to be able to do all this and
successfully pull it off. It it's it's a
little campy and goofy to imagine that
they use this hollow tech that like
these drones are perfectly silent that
they have noise cancelling frequencies
and Peter's Spidey sense is just that
often.
>> Well, they do establish in the movie his
tingle is
>> his tingle. Right. Right. And I and I
appreciate that. Honestly, when I
watched this movie, I wasn't really
affected by the logic of it. I really
quite liked it when it came out. I was
one of the defenders cuz people were
saying like, "That movie sucked. That
movie was mid." I I really did like
>> to be the first movie after Endgame. I
mean, who what pressure?
>> I I really like the whole themes of like
perception versus blindness and how like
grief is something that can blind you.
It can Look, wanting an Avenger mentor
figure can kind of put these blinders on
for like the stuff staring you right in
the face. Uh, so I I like that idea that
like even the Edith glasses were kind of
like the the Wizard of Oz green tinted
glasses that blinds people in Oz from
seeing the obvious like deceit and
corruption. Um,
>> and you can establish that like that,
you know, third act sequence of him kind
of closing his eyes and focusing and
like trusting his his Spidey sense that
leads to him in the third movie, you
know, being aware that Green Goblin has
returned in the apartment, you know, and
he has that [clears throat] great moment
of like something is off like, you know,
it it's a good I like that pattern in
the MCU of like, you know, something
that happened in the previous movie
affects how they change in the next
movie. You see it the most with like
Iron Man where every movie he changes
his suit based on what happened in the
previous movie. Yeah. To make it more
effective. They do that well in the
Spider-Man movies where like his
experience teaches him to be a better
Spider-Man.
>> Yeah. Um we It's hard to know if
Mysterio actually dies at the end of
this movie. Um he
>> We could be being fooled.
>> It could be a fool. We Mysterio could
still be alive somewhere out there. We
don't know for sure.
>> There's a lot in the third movie, right,
that of like Mysterio was right kind of
like we trust Mysterio. That's right.
And and Mysterio's whole story of being
a multiverse man is something that is
kind of like our first wink for Peter
Parker trusting the multiverse or being
unsure about the multiverse.
>> And he even says this is our 616, which
is kind of wild. Yeah.
>> He says he's from 833, not 838, which
would come back in Doctor Strange, but
just kind of like the 616 thing is like,
oh, that is fascinating. How does he
know the numerical? He knows what 838 is
calling
>> the MCU that they're calling it 616.
>> Right. It's just kind of interesting
that like there's someone out there like
it wasn't Christine Palmer who invented
right from 838 who invented 616 that
like somewhere else out there like the
watcher or people within these universes
are using that number.
>> The watcher influences whoever is aware
of the MCU and they just kind of
instinct instinctively just number 616.
>> It's weird. It's very weird and
coincidental and fun. Well, and I think
they kind of did it to to keep the
audience on their toes a little bit to
be like,
>> you know, the MCU is very subversive
with a lot of its characters and changes
their history and ever since like the
Mandarin, right? Like we can't ever
trust
>> uh that a a character's story is what it
is. So, by telling the audience that
like, yeah, this guy knows about the
multiverse and he knows that this is
Earth 616, we're kind of thinking like,
well, maybe Mysterio in this in the MCU
is an actual powered individual. It just
helps with the reveal later. It really
does.
>> It's um it's an effective movie. It it
doesn't really hold up as well as the
other two movies. It's just a little
silly and it's like you're right, it
doesn't need to be in these European
settings, but they're trying to make
these global hits that like audiences
everywhere can kind of see the way like
James Bond is like a global brand. It's
fun to see international locations. The
movie does very well. It makes over a
billion dollars. Um, and I don't want to
dwell too much on it just because I I
feel like it mostly sets up the third
movie and I don't think there's specific
stuff in this movie that's gonna come
back to.
>> And again, I think it was smart to set
it not in because if it was in New York,
I would have love for it to be in New
York, but if it was in New York, you
would just be going like, "Well, where's
this character? Where's that character?"
You know, it makes sense that like it's
just overseas and they don't have any
heroes overseas. Sorry guys.
>> Um, let's move on to the third movie in
the trilogy that I do think will be more
important for Doomsday and Secret Wars,
Spider-Man: No Way Home. This is
directed by John Watts, written by Chris
McKenna and Eric Summers. It came out
December 17th, 2021.
>> Uh the movie that kind of brought us
back from COVID.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh people were going to that movie
Unmasked did not care. They had to see
what happened.
>> Packed theater.
>> This the we'll talk about the whole like
craze of the rumors leading up to this
movie. Uh but No Way Home starts with a
postredit scene of Far From Home picking
up in the immediate aftermath of Jonah
Jameson JK Simmons revealing that
Peter's identity is Spider or Spider-Man
is Peter Parker. Uh, huge pain in the
ass for everybody. The DODC arrests
Peter and May, MJ and Ned. Um, and they
confiscate all the Stark tech, but
luckily uh they get defended by Charlie
Cox as Matt Murdoch shows up in a crazy
cameo in this movie, defends Peter
Parker, and also has to defend Happy
Hogan. Uh, but a a consequence of this
is everybody's applications to MIT get
rejected. Peter asks Dr. Strange,
Benedict Cumberbatch, to make everybody
forget his identity. Uh, Dr. Strange
casts the runes of cough call spell, but
Peter keeps adding sub clauses to it and
causes it to go ary. So there's like
riffs in the multiverse that are
starting to form. Um Wong calls it the
the border between known and unknown
realities that this this spell dances
between, but they have said that they're
they've used it before. There's like a
moon partyage that he kind of
>> I mean and this movie really establishes
why Wong should be the sorcerer supreme
and not Dr. Steven Strange, a guy who
just got his powers a few years ago.
This spell ends up pulling people who
know Peter's identity from other
universes uh into the 616 universe.
Starting with Otto Octavius, Alfred
Molina and Norman Osborne, William Defoe
and Flint Marco, Thomas Hayden Church,
Max Dylan, Jamie Fox, and Dr. Kurt
Connor's uh Reciphants from the 2012
film. They got all the save actors back.
We call them the multiverse men in this
movie. So Peter, MJ, and Ned have to
work together to find and trap all these
multiverse intruders in this dungeon
under Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum.
Doctor Strange preps a device to undo
the spell that brought them here. But
Peter then realizes that they're all
going to die when they go back to their
home reality. So he steals the device
and Peter and Strange battle in the
mirror dimension. Peter is able to
defeat Doctor Strange just using basic
calculus and geometry. Uh he escapes
with the device. He's determined to save
and uh save these multiversal travelers
and takes everyone up to Happyy's
apartment where he works with the others
to try to cure them. But the Green
Goblin identity takes over for Norman
Osborne. Uh and that's what leads to
this incredible Spidey sequence where
the camera work is just really cool. I
was I think
>> so different than what we're used to in
the Spider-Man movies.
>> Yeah, I think my favorite
>> brutal fight.
>> A brutal fight. Just uh William Defo, I
think deserved an Oscar nomination for
this. He's just getting punched in the
face and smiling more and more.
>> Just crazy. Like you forget in, you
know, in the first Spider-Man, he is
making a super soldier serum. Like the
big mcguffin of the MCU, it's kind of
funny how precient it was all the way
back in like 2000 for for them to
establish that.
>> It's so great. He throws a pumpkin
grenade that ends up killing Aunt May.
Yeah.
>> And Marissa Toé hits him with with great
power there must also come great
responsibility.
>> Correct.
>> The original Stanley phrasing of the
line. So Peter is
>> and it's a good fake out, too, cuz you
think she's going to be okay. She gets
up, they're going to leave and then like
>> turns around. She's got a big [ __ ]
hole in her head.
>> Her brains are oozing out like
Targaryen.
>> Yeah.
>> Trying to seal it up.
>> Uh uh. It wasn't velar. It was Bor. Why
did I say velar?
>> Spoiler alert.
>> Yeah, spoiler if you watched N seven
Kingdoms. U meanwhile, Ned uses a sling
ring that he stole from Doctor Strange
to open up another portal to just he
wants to find Peter
>> and he does, but it's not the Peter he's
looking for. Turns out this is Andrew
Garfield Peter Parker. And another
sparkle portal opens and it's Tobey
Magcguire Peter Parker. Yes, they had
also got transported to this universe
and have been around in this New York
just wandering around for a few days.
>> Um MJ and Ned take these other Peters to
where our Peter is on the rooftop
grieving Aunt May and they kind of talk
him down from revenge. We get all these
great little hints of what their lives
have been like since we last saw them.
Poor Andrew Garfield Peter Parker
apparently got it got dark for him. stop
stop started or stopped pulling his
punches just [laughter]
>> so then we uh get all three Peters
working together on cures for their
super villains in the science lab. We
get the point meme that I now have on
the shirt they recreated it from Into
the Spider-Verse. Uh we find out that
Toby McGuire Peter worked things out
with his MJ, his Kurs and Dunce MJ that
he beat the crap out of in Spider-Man 3.
So it's kind of
>> he claims he worked I mean he could be
lying to you. I think we made a joke. I
think Jess and I did that he straight up
killed her and he's just saying, "Yeah,
everything's fine."
>> Oh, my MJ's fine. I don't know. You guys
aren't going to come over to my
universe right?
>> Yeah. Uh, you have her blood underneath
your fingernails. What the What did you
do to her? Um, but then the Spider-Man
stage a showdown at the Statue of
Liberty that throughout the movie has
been set up. They did a restoration
project to its original copper. Um, and
>> and they're adding a Captain America
shield.
>> A Captain America shield to it. It's
insane.
>> Do you think the French got a word on
that? Like, you can't change it. They
gave it as a gift. We can do it.
>> It's a gift we gave you.
>> Um, and then uh so they work together to
try to cure these villains one by one.
It's one of the greatest sequences where
they're all working together. They're on
the scaffolding talking about what life
is like in their other dimensions.
Really fun. Uh we learn there's
comparing notes. They're like, "Wow, you
fought Thanos. You fought a purple
alien. That's crazy. I didn't have that
in my dimension." He's like, "Well, I
did have a villain or I did have an
alien. It was called Venom." A lot of
really fun references here. Um, and then
in in these different little
conversations, we have a moment where
Andrew Garfield Spider-Man's talking to
Jamie Fox saying like, "I think there's
a black Spider-Man somewhere out there."
Uh, they recreate the the Gwen Stacy
fall where Andrew Garfield's able to
catch MJ. It's so great. Get that
healing moment where he's crying. She's
like, "Are you okay?"
>> Yeah.
>> It's just one of the most incredible
sequences. It's just so much payoff.
>> Seeing like three live action
Spider-Mans like working together,
swinging off each other.
>> Yeah. Figuring it out.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Uh, kind of. I love I love that moment
where they're like we I the other two
are especially are like we don't know
how to work with other heroes.
>> He's like what's an adventure? Like it's
so great. [laughter]
>> And that's where like Tom Holland could
step up and be like I know how to work
as a team.
>> Yes. And then they they're we see them
learning throughout this battle of how
to kind of work in sync with each other
using their tingles to kind of to
connect on their collective Wi-Fi. Uh
the goblin though shows up destroys the
device that Strange had. He stuffs a
pumpkin grenade in there.
>> That's a great
>> great moment. the three different shots
of them realizing it. Um, and it just
causes this massive multiversal rift to
rematerialize in the sky. Uh, for our
Peter, uh, he's furious. He comes close
to killing killing Norman Osborne, uh,
with the glider. An incredible moment,
but, uh, Toby comes in and just gives
him that stern face.
>> Yeah. Just holds it and him.
>> So heartbreaking and wonderful. Peter
realized that the only way to patch the
rift is to have Strange just cast the
original Runes of Cough Call spell
again, even though it will cause
everybody forget to forget who he is.
So, after a tearful goodbye to MJ and
Ned, the spell is complete. Everybody
goes home. The the two there's a group
hug, but the other two Peters go back
home to their universes. Uh, and yeah,
that does mean that like Norman Osborne
is going to die. He's going to get hit
by the glider when he goes back. That
Auto Octavius is going to die in the
river.
>> You don't think it changes their
outcomes when they get back? They just
go back and they're like, "No, I'm good
now."
>> I think they have to just die. That was
how things ended.
>> But But Marco didn't die. Some of the
the little species,
>> he did die sometime later in the future.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> There's a little There's a little bit of
like, you didn't just rewatch these
movies [laughter]
>> uh, so but Peter now ends this movie
completely anonymous. He goes to MJ's
doughnut shop. He tries to work up the
nerve to explain to her that they knew
each other, but he doesn't go through
with it. But she still wears the broken
black dollia necklace. So part of her
still knows that she loves someone out
there. This is all thing these are all
things that gonna be picked up with in
uh in Spider-Man Brand New Day. But yes,
MJ and Ned do go to M MIT. Peter just
gets his G from like a home test prep
thing and gets a gets an apartment in
the city. Um
>> who's the landlord of this apartment? Is
the door
>> Mr. Ditco? Who knows?
>> Is the door working? That's what I want
to know. But he's got a new DIY suit
that he designed based off of his other
two Peter brothers that he met. Uh, and
he's whipping in the snow despite being
probably freezing his ass off. There's
no Stark warmers in that listening to
the police scanner. It's exciting. Um,
but yes, let's not forget that in this
movie there is a drunken Eddie Brock who
uh who goes to a Mexican cantina that
gets picked up with Venom: The Last
Dance.
>> Well, this was this was already
answering the second Venom movie that
zapped him into this universe. And Kevin
Feige had to be like, "Get him out of
here.
>> Get him out of here."
>> So, we got that [laughter] all gets
answered. And the true postredit scene
of this movie is a trailer for Doctor
Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
>> with with the crow that they got out OF
THAT MOVIE. [screaming]
>> UM, but yeah, it really did feel like,
you know, this was the movie that proved
to any of these COVID bleaguered Marvel
fans that Endgame is not the end of the
Marvel story,
>> right? cuz we had had Shani come out
during the pandemic and made 40 million
that weekend. Eternals came out did not
have like a huge weekend. Black Widow
was on streaming. Like it's a whole
thing
>> and and Shani was beloved. Eternals was
a little confusing. But like it was
Spider-Man No Way Home. We had four
Marvel movies that came out in 2021 and
No Way Home was like, "Holy [ __ ] there
is a multiverse saga that's happening.
Doctor Strange is going to be the face
of it. we're going straight into
Multiverse of Madness where there are
going to be X-Men in there. So, we all
felt like uh and then that went into W
division in the
>> early back on track even though the
trailer even is like I don't care about
Westfield.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it really felt
like with Spider-Man No Way Home that
felt like we're having a proper
multiverse saga. Um so, like this movie
being such a big Doctor Strange movie,
we saw variants. We saw returning heroes
of Tobey Magcguire and Andrew Garfield
returning villains. It really felt like
Marvel's actually doing this. We're
going to have we're going to have a
proper Secret Wars. And so now as we're
looking at Doomsday, that's like No Way
Home being as successful as it did is
what proved to Marvel we can afford to
bring back James Marsden and and and
>> this works.
>> Yeah. And Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckllen,
all these guys, Marvel fans want to see
them again with the Avengers.
>> And it had worked. You know, you guys
have covered it already like um uh Days
of Future Past had kind of shown that
too. That was a very successful X-Men
movie in a time when like the X-Men
movies were like bouncing around all
over the place. So, it's like they
definitely knew this would work. Was it
after this movie where Feige cuz we were
still doing like the phase 4 thing when
Feige was like we're kind of done with
phases. This is the multiverse saga now.
Was that it was it after this movie when
they kind of announced they were going
to do Kang Dynasty and
>> Secret Wars that like
>> So, it was uh this movie comes out in
December 2021. Back in 2021, we kept
hearing like we don't know. COVID is we
don't know,
>> right? Because we were still told like
Black Panther Wakanda Forever was the
end of phase 4.
>> Yeah, they stopped me was the beginning
of phase five.
>> They kind of stopped using phase four
and five. Um well, we had San Diego
Comic- Con in July of 2022.
>> Yeah,
>> they I it was around that time where
they just switched to calling it the
Multiverse Saga,
>> but that's definitely as a result of how
successful this movie was. And Doctor
Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was
very successful. It did very well.
>> It did make a lot of money on Rooted
Doomsday.
>> We already did.
>> Oh, I was I've been jumping through
time.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um but but
>> it hasn't come out [laughter] yet in my
in my universe. We're shooting this a
bit early, but uh yeah, the fact that
this movie came together is almost kind
of miraculous cuz after Far From Home
came out in in September of 2019, you
may remember all the reports of like the
legal wrangling where talks broke down
between Sony and and
>> it did seem like it wasn't going to
happen,
>> right? They were like, "Endgame is over.
Far From Home is over. We don't want to
do this deal again.
>> We want our Spidey Boy back." That all
ended with Bob Iger personally calling
Tom Holland back when he was still
drinking and he was like in the pub and
he answered the phone. He goes, "Yeah, I
guess I'll come back." And that's what
opened up the deals again so that like
they could get this deal and it was a
deal very much in Disney's favor.
>> And that's how we got Bureau, folks. It
was 2575%
where Marvel would only um uh co-inance
it for 25%. Sony would pick up the other
75% but then Marvel would um would like
benefit uh in their favor and they would
get to feature Spider-Man in their parks
and they would get to like um get the
merch. The merch was very much in their
favor which is where all the money comes
from. Anyway,
>> Avengers Campus features a Spider-Man
ride. They play the music from the
Spider-Man series in Avengers Campus
along with Ant-Man's music. Two good
scores.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> The great scores.
>> Um, so it's it's Jacino, I believe, did
the scores for both. Yeah.
>> Yeah, he definitely did the Spider-Man
Homecoming theme. And I believe he might
have done the it's like the
D.
>> Yeah, that's like the Spider-Man one.
And then the other one like it's a
little Boppy one that's like Ant-Man.
>> Yeah. Um, so while this is coming
together, they they basically like I
remember it was the middle of COVID and
we're like, are there still movies
coming out? [laughter] I was picking up
a um a deep dish pizza from Masa in the
middle of COVID and I saw the report
that they are sticking to the release
date of 2021 of September of December
2021. I'm like, how are they going to
make this movie during CO? They found a
way to shoot it during CO.
>> Uh, and it all worked out. And I
remember in like December of 2020,
that's when he started to hear the
rumors of like they're
>> reopening some negotiations. We might
see Toby and Andrew in this movie. I
remember it was Collider who was kind of
reporting it. There was other like
scoopers saying that Kirsten Dunce and
Emma Stone as well.
>> There was like costume fittings
happening that were getting leaked.
>> Uh-huh. There was like they were talking
to Alfred Molina and William Defoe.
There was everything was being reported.
No one knew what to believe. But then
they announced the title, I believe in
February of 2021 as No Way Home. And I
remember on that dry erase board in the
Marvel offices with Tom Holland and Zena
and Jacob Adelon and we're like, "Okay,
what are the clues being teased here?"
Uh Andrew Garfield. People started there
was like an Uber Eats delivery guy who
said that I delivered uh something to
this guy who looked like Andrew Garfield
in an Atlanta hotel that was being
denied. Andrew Garfield does a happy,
sad, confused podcast with uh Joshua
Horowitz. uh where he's talking about
I'm not the werewolf and then later in
the year as Andrew Garfield's doing
promotions for Tick Tick Boom. Uh um uh
Jimmy Fallon is asking him about it.
There was a leak.
>> Well, the image had leaked.
>> There's a high quality 4K leak showing
Andrew Garfield uh looking like I he's
like I believe he's saying web blog, but
he's saying web blood
>> and he's he's got his arm out and he's
on like a blue screen, but there's like
the piece of the rebar that we would
eventually see or Yeah. have a
scaffolding from the Statue of Liberty
>> and everyone's like, "This is too high
quality of a leak. Did Sony do this on
purpose?" Um, there was a YouTuber who's
like, "No, I made it." And then
everyone's like, "Wait, no, he did that
as a prank.
>> He made a video of how he how he made it
that was actually fake." It was wild.
Wild times.
>> It was wild time. And then there was
like John Campia posted a leak and where
he's like, "Look at Toby's dick.
>> He put his watermark on the leak, which
was a bad idea." [laughter] John, Chad,
what are you doing? Um, but it was just
a wild time and we were all so excited.
I remember being that was like a big
part of like the new Rockstar channel in
2021 is we were making a lot of videos
about like what's real, what's not. And
eventually it started to look real. We
started to look at the trailers. I
remember the first trailer came out in
August of 2021. Uh and there was a
second trailer in November of 2021 where
it looked like they very clearly
scrubbed out the other two Peters
swinging across the statue.
>> Wasn't even like it was a like a Brazil
version of like the Instagram video
where they did a really bad job and you
can see the lizards head move. the
lizard's head recoiling to some
invisible thing that kicked him. Um, but
we also saw evidence of like just a shot
of what looked like just um Tom Holland
Peter landing on the Statue of Liberty's
head. There were other two little blurry
corners of that shot that we discovered
like, oh, there was something else
removed from this. Um, so it was just a
fascinating time. The anticipation
leading up to this movie was incredible.
And then it did come out in December of
2021
uh and broke all kinds of records.
>> It was huge. It w and it was like one of
the first times to be back at the movies
and it was like packed in the theater.
>> I mean when you watch this on Disney
Plus there should be an option to turn
on like canned screaming you know that
would was happening in the theater and
of all the releases I I believe I was
surprised by Charlie Cox or like that
information came out like the week of
the movie it started leaking out that
Charlie Cox makes an appearance in this
movie. So it was like even of all the
other things that were happening they
were still sneaking in other surprises
in this movie. his cane landing in the
shot got just as big of a roar as as
Toby and Andrew coming through the
sparkle portals
>> just wild. I mean the the fan service
that this movie does
>> and they're in you know I think I was
surprised too by how long Toby and
Andrew are in this movie. It's a lot of
them.
>> It's not just like a little bit. they're
in like the second half of the movie
>> and just having like long convers like
watching it back again you're like wow
there's just this kind of like long
conversations where there's no action
and they're just sitting around chatting
and maybe that's part of like co
production and stuff too but like it was
just kind of nice to like have this fan
service of like it's not just them
fighting and then they're gone. It's
like they're having these conversations
about what it's like to be Spider-Man
and what it means to them and like the
simil similarities and the differences.
Toby's tubes. He's got natural webbing
coming out of his body and it shocks
everybody
>> and you're kind of pinching yourself
while you're watching it because you've
imagined this in your head seeing Tom
Holland, Andrew and Toby all together
talking
>> just have comparing notes about what
their parallel universes look like. And
that feeling is the same feeling that
we're going to have in Doomsday. Kind of
pivot the conversation here to be like
what No Way Home tells us about the
multiverse for Doomsday. I really do
think like it's not that uncanny to just
bring back these actors and get so much
great cinema
>> by just having them talk to each other
and talk about their parallel universes
and then apply those power sets when
they're in a battle against a common
enemy. And I think that kind of that joy
of seeing the three Peters learn to work
together, to swing together, is the same
kind of joy we're gonna feel when we see
Cyclops and Reed Richards working
together or Thor and Cyclops, Thor and
Magneto doing collabs to fight Doombots.
I think Marvel fig it was like a proof
of concept in No Way Home that the Russo
brothers are going to apply in Doomsday.
>> Yeah. And this is stuff, this is what
Foggies wanted to do from the very
beginning all the way back uh to when
they're doing Spider-Man and he's like
working on that movie. And it's like you
want or in San Ramy 2 wanted to bring in
other characters and get them all mixed
together uh and have, you know, not just
like Spider-Man and his cadra of of
heroes and villains, but also like put a
mutant in there with them, you know, and
it's finally all going to start really
happening in Doomsday.
>> Yeah. And I think like I guess the
question I have is cuz we don't know if
Doctor Strange is going to be in
Doomsday. I have a feeling he will be.
Uh he's one of these other Chris Evans
types who just didn't get a chair, but
like I do think we're going to have
Doctor Strange either in the ending of
Doomsday or somewhere in the middle of
Doomsday to just help explain how these
incursions happen for you know it's it's
kind of been implied that like the
incursions deal based on Multiverse of
Madness. uh you know that using dark
magic and dark energy like kind of leads
to incursions in an interesting way and
the fact that like Doctor Strange went
off with Clea to deal with whatever and
Dormamu and all that nonsense. I think
it makes sense to have Doctor Strange be
someone who is important to dealing with
the multiverse. He knows how it can go
wrong. He knows how to fix it. And
especially what they did in What If, you
know, showing how involved he was with
like the multiverse there. I think it's
important to have like a Doctor Strange
figure because like Steve Rogers is not
going to be able to figure all this out.
Like you need Doctor Strange there to
help with the kind of mystical cosmic
side of it. Yeah.
>> Uh and dealing with that problem.
There's been some rumors that, you know,
the way they were able to secretly get
Tobey Magcguire into No Way Home that
they might be able to secretly get Toby
into Doomsday. I I don't think we're
going to see Toby featured heavily in
Doomsday, but I do think like if
Doomsday ends with like the construction
of Battle World, the apocalyptic
construction of Battle World that we
could see a glimpse at a version of
Manhattan uh in Battle World or Spider
Island that has like a a CGIed
webslinger that is just Toby's suit.
>> Uh and
>> I think there's definitely a Spider-Man
in the movie. I don't know if it's Tom
Holland. It's probably not, but I you
got to have a Spider-Man there. Even if
they never show who it is and they just
imply it through the suit design or if
it's like I, you know, I said this in
the Civil War podcast, if it's just like
a weird cameo by another actor who's
never played Spider-Man on screen, but
like it's just implied, oh, he's from a
different universe.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, and this is him. And I do think I
think they're holding this, you know, at
this when we're recording this, you
know, the Doomsday trailer has not come
out. I think they want to get past
Spider-Man Brand New Day before they
release the Doomsday trailer wide and
it's going to be a little different than
what they showed at Comic- Con.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think there's just something at
the end of Brand New Day that like keys
us really sets us up for Doomsday cuz
every MCU project since Brave New World
has like been the postredits have been
really hinting at Doomsday.
>> I think since the Marvels, right?
>> Oh, and yes, you're right. Even the
Marvels. Yeah. Have been hinting at
what's going to be happening in
Doomsday. So, I think there's a very big
one at the end of Brand New Day. I don't
think the most of the movie deals with
that. I think at the very end of it,
there's something and then then they'll
feel ready to release this Doomsday
trailer, you know, less than six months
out from when the movie's coming out.
>> I think there has to be something at the
end of Brand New Day. If it's not a
scene, at least a full screen title that
says Peter Parker will return in
>> Avengers Doomsday or Secret Wars.
>> I think it's going to be Doomsday. I
think they'll say
>> something. If they establish Battle
World by the end of Doomsday, you have
to explain where Spider-Man is.
>> Yeah.
>> You can't just start off Secret Wars and
be like,
>> I just think like I know the Russo
brothers have been really weird and cy
about marketing their stories or
whatever it is.
>> Like Marvel Studios looks at these
Spider-Man movies as like the postredit
scenes are always one for you, one for
me. Sony does something to hint at
whatever their next thing is going to
be. Maybe it could even be beyond the
Spider-Verse. You know, it could be
something like next summer we're having
this other event and Sony could use that
moment to set up that, but I think
there's gonna be some other postredit
scene moment that just shows like what's
next for Satie Sink's character, for
Mark Ruffalo, for Peter Parker, for uh
for John Bernthal's Punisher, like
something that sets up like what's next
in Marvel Studios.
>> Is there like a mutant out there? If
Sadink is a mutant, is there one from a
different universe that is able to
connect with her somehow? I don't know
how uh and send a message to her that's
important. Setting up what's happening
in Doomsday.
>> Yeah, I think um by the time you have
seen by the time you're watching this
episode, the the next trailer for
Spider-Man Brand New Day has probably
come out. Um but in that trailer, you
really do do see more Sades Sinks power
set. I like 90% certain she's Gan Gray.
>> Um she has there's a toy leak that may
be real, maybe AI, I don't know. But she
the way the power set works of like
jumping consciousness from person to
person. There's only so many characters
who marvel who matter to the future of
Marvel. They're about to do the X-Men
saga. Like it's a great X-Men to start
with. And they've been really KG about
FKA Jansen saying she's not coming back.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, in Doomsday and it's like why
wouldn't you bring back
>> Well, yeah. Fk Johnson is is like super
critical to these other characters.
specifically if you bring back James
Marsden and Scott Summers like
>> his gene is going to be really important
to his life. So yeah, I think
>> he's got a kid.
>> We think we don't know.
>> We think we assume.
>> Um yeah, I think No Way Home um was a
was an important test case for Marvel
Studios of what it looks like to bring
back previous franchise characters in an
in universe multiverse story. And
without No Way Home working as well as
it did, you would never have Doomsday
working like this. You would never have
Marsden, Mckllen, uh Patrick Stewart, um
uh Allan [ __ ] Kelsey Grammar, and
Rebecca Roma coming back. Um you know,
like just it it's too difficult for
people to imagine. Uh but Kevin Feige, I
think, has known all along that there
are stories where this can work. And as
big of fan service payoff as people feel
like Endgame was, I think he's saying
like, "Hold my beer." I think he's
saying like
>> we you have no idea how cool Battle
World's going to work. It's there's
going to be, you know, the film critics
who say like, "What are these comic book
movies?"
>> Yeah. It doesn't make sense if you've
never seen another Marvel movie. Okay.
Well great.
>> These movies are going to make billions
of dollars. And I think like it's going
to they're building the sandbox. I think
literally The Void, as we see in
Deadpool Wolverine, is a literal
sandbox.
>> And that's another great example of how
well it worked. That movie made a
billion dollars, you know? So, that's an
R-rated movie. With all respect to the
colleagues at the Ringer, Sean and
Amanda, I love you guys and I think you
guys are way smarter than I am in
general when you talk about movies, but
how down they sometimes are about the
Marvel universe. I think these movies,
there is a huge audience out there who
really just wants to see the toys
collide right?
>> And I think that's what uh like Endgame
didn't even show us that much of it, but
Doomsday and I think Secret Wars will.
And it's gonna be so huge and crazy that
like we're all gonna be ready for just
like a clean slate start over with just
a mutant saga in an X mansion and
Sentinels and [ __ ]
>> Yeah, I agree.
>> So, I think that's, you know, I think if
any of these movies, if you look at
Homecoming, Far From Home, No Way Home,
certainly No Way Home in the way Doctor
Strange talks about the multiverse is
probably the most important to rewatch.
Um but um to see Peter Parker's journey,
I think these three movies are important
to rewatch ahead of Brand New Day and
and for whatever Tom Holland Peter has
in store after Brand New Day. I think
you do kind of need to have all three of
these movies in the front of your mind.
>> Yeah.
>> Um all right, let's end with a box
office challenge. Um
>> I feel like I've done the challenge
recently, so I kind of want to quiz you
unless Unless you don't want to be
quizzed.
>> No, I would love to be quizzed. I would
love to show my ignorance.
>> Okay,
>> it's getting on the internet.
>> All right, starting with Spider-Man
Homecoming. It came out on July 7th,
2017.
>> Okay,
>> so July 2017. Think of like summertime
2017. What other movies were coming out
in June of 2017? But uh Spider-Man
Homecoming won the domestic box office.
We're only talking domestic here at $17
million on July 7th, 2017. The number
two movie
um was a an animated
threequ
>> from uh Universal Elimination.
>> Oh, so this is like a Despicable Me,
>> correct? Do you know which Despicable
Me?
>> Is it Despicable Me 3 or is it Minion?
>> Despicable Me 3 made $33.5
million. It came out um I think the week
before. It was like a late June.
>> Well, I think we can all agree that's
banana.
>> Never banana. Um, number three at the
box office was a June movie from um from
the first Marvel director to part ways
with the studio over creative
differences.
>> Edgar, Right.
>> Correct. In his movie in June 2017 was
>> Oh, no. Baby Driver.
>> Baby Driver.
>> A movie I enjoyed. A really good movie.
>> One or two questionable actors.
>> Three. Maybe three question. No, at
least one or two.
>> At least one.
>> One's not John Ham, but he is in He's in
it. Kevin Spacy's in it.
>> Kevin Spacy's in it.
>> And then the baby driver himself.
Um
>> though, I did like Tokyo Vice a lot.
>> And I like Westside Story a lot.
>> I Yeah, [clears throat] he's arguably
the worst part of Westside Story.
>> Um so that was number three at the box
office. Number four was another
superhero movie in uh summer 2017.
>> Did Logan come out over the summer?
>> It came out in March, so it was not in
the top five year. M
>> uh it was kind of like uh it gave
confidence to the other big superhero
franchise at the time that like oh the
world building here is actually
>> oh is this a DC movie?
>> Uhhuh.
>> 2017 is that Batman v Superman
>> that came out the previous year 2016.
This was a solo movie of a character in
Batman v Superman.
>> Oh Wonder Woman.
>> Wonder Woman. Yes. Wonder Woman did
pretty well. most of the Wonder Woman
movies and one of the better DC movies.
>> One of the better DC EU movies. Yeah.
And then uh number five at the box
office was, I believe, the fifth of uh a
big Paramount CGI franchise.
>> GI franchise.
>> Um if you go to the Universal Studios,
it's one of the rides at Universal
Studios,
>> but it's a Paramount movie.
>> It's a Paramount release. Yeah.
>> Oh, okay.
>> It's It's other than Mission Impossible,
Paramount
>> Fast and Furious movie. Mhm. Fast is
Universal. Universal.
>> In addition to Mission Impossible, this
is the other big Paramount franchise.
>> Oh.
>> Uh, past ones include Dark of the Moon.
>> Oh, Transformers.
>> Yes. The Transformers. Do you remember
which Transformers this was?
>> It's not. Transformers. Revenge of the
Fallen. The Dark Knight or like the
night
>> the last night.
>> The Last Night.
>> Yes.
>> That came [snorts] out I believe
>> which is the one where like Chicago just
gets destroyed.
>> That's the third. That's Dark of the
Moon. Darkest thing I've ever seen
movie.
>> You see poor Chicagoans just getting
zapped.
>> I mean, it is wild.
>> All right, so let's look at the
worldwide box office in 2017. Uh,
Spider-Man Homecoming was not in the top
five. It was number six. It made 880
million.
>> Um, what was the number one worldwide
box office film in
>> 2017?
>> Yeah.
>> Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
>> Correct. $1.3 billion.
>> Uh, number two was another Disney
release. This was a liveaction remake.
>> 2017 you're still doing
Pirates movies, right?
>> It's a live action remake of an animated
film.
>> Oh. Oh, in 2017 Beauty and the Beast,
>> correct? Beauty and the Beast, the movie
that an Arkite employee asked me to
leave from.
>> I mean, the autotuning on Hermione
Granger in that movie. Oif
[laughter]
boy. But the guy, I always forget his
name, but the guy who plays Gaston is
Dan Steven. [clears throat]
>> The most fun of that movie. He's the
best.
>> Oh, Gaston. I was thinking Beast is Dan
Stevens. Beast is also a mess.
>> Josh Gad is in that movie as Lefu.
>> I hate Josh Gad so much. And I, you
know, he's a fine Lefu. He's great.
[clears throat]
>> Openly bisexual Lefu.
>> Yes. And I do like the addition that he
when he says, "I'm just realizing I
can't spell."
That's a great line. But man, he drives
me nuts.
>> Anyways,
>> EP uh the number three movie in the
worldwide box office was a big Universal
Heist movie franchise.
>> Fast and Furious.
>> Correct. Do you know which one it was?
>> Eight.
>> Fate of the Furious. Correct.
>> I couldn't tell you what the subtitle
was but
>> uh number four at the box office was a
movie that was number two at the weekend
box office. So, it would the animated
me. Yes. It made 1.0 billion.
>> And then number five, the worldwide box
office was kind of a surprise late in
the year hit. Came out in December 2017.
Big Sony franchise.
>> You rocked in number five. Well, it was
released and then most of the money came
out was made in January, February, but
it was um it's kind of started a
>> it was like technically a legacy sequel
with an allnew cast.
>> Okay.
>> And they're making a third one of these
that's coming out this year. Huge movie
for Sony
>> 2017. Uhhuh. Yes. Sequel. I don't know.
>> Um its title is an AC/DC song.
Or it's it's this colon AC/DC song
title.
>> Oh, back in blank. [laughter]
>> It's Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle.
>> Oh. Oh gosh. Jumanji movies.
>> Yeah, it was uh
>> this is the This is the one with a Jonas
in it. I think
>> he does play a character in it, but it's
Yeah, it's the Rock. It's
>> Right. Right. Right. Yes. I'm familiar
with the character Karen Gill.
>> But this is the second one. Okay.
>> It's the first one.
>> This is the first one.
>> Well, technically the first Janji.
>> Well, yes. This is the the beginning of
the
>> cuz it's connected. Colin Hanks shows up
in it at the end. Um, yes. So,
>> but it's a video game now. It's no
longer a movie.
>> Now, it's a video game. And then the
second movie is when you get in like Dan
DeVito and
>> um anyway, so that was 2017 in a
nutshell. Moving on to 2019. Um, so
Spider-Man Far From Home came out on
July 5th, 2019. Now, there's something
weird. They released it earlier in the
week for the Fourth of July holiday. So,
we're counting the whole week. Uh it
made over the whole week $185 million.
Did very well.
>> Um
>> but then the number two movie uh that
weekend
was a very like uh it it made a lot of
money for for Disney.
>> Okay.
>> It was at the time
the highest grossing movie for this
animated studio.
>> Oh, a Disney movie
is Pixar. Yes, it's a Pixar movie. So,
>> in 2019,
>> not Cars 3. No, it's later than that.
>> It was to date.
>> Oh, it's a Toy Story.
>> Yeah, Toy Story 4. Yeah. Um,
>> incredible. Better than Toy Story 4.
>> Toy Story 4. Um, yes.
>> I mean, I hate Forky.
>> Even though it came out in uh like two
weekends before, still made $33 million
this weekend.
>> It's a gorgeous film.
>> Yeah. Um, the number three movie is a
strange uh Universal Danny Bole movie
about almost kind of like a a what if
type movie that was famous.
>> Oh, is this um uh the the Beatles movie?
Uh stupid. Uh yesterday.
>> Yesterday. Yes. The movie that got a
lawsuit to Universal Studios because Ana
Armis was in a trailer for the movie and
her scene was cut from the movie. The
false advertising it was sued.
>> Yeah. I was waiting for an Armist and
all I got was Ed Sheeran. [laughter]
Um, number four was a um, let's see.
This was a James Juan horror franchise.
>> Oh god, I won't know these. Is this in
the Insidious Verse?
>> It um,
>> or is this an Annabelle?
>> Yes, it is an Annabelle. It's Annabelle
Comes Home.
>> I definitely didn't see it. Too scary
for me.
>> And then number five was another big
liveaction Disney remake that came out
in 2019. Another billion dollar movie.
2019 was the movie with the $9 billion
movies.
>> Yes, this is one of them. It came out
earlier in June. And
>> so there's Aladdin.
>> Aladdin. Correct.
>> I could not get through that.
>> The guy Richie Aladdin. Yeah.
>> Very bad. Will Smith.
>> So bad.
>> Okay. So 2019, I think, was like a peak
year for box office worldwide,
>> right?
>> But I think you can know what the number
one
>> Rise of Skywalker has got to be number
one. No.
>> Oh no,
>> it's not.
>> It's not crazy. Rise of Skywalker not
even in the top five.
>> But it still made a billion dollars.
>> It did.
>> Oh my gosh. But what's the highest
grossing movie of all time?
>> Avatar. No. Of all time.
>> Yeah. Or at least it's like number two
now.
>> Oh. Aven. Oh, Avengers Endgame.
>> Avengers Endgame made 2.8 billion
worldwide. Uh number two was a different
Disney liveaction animated movie or
liveaction
>> remake.
>> Remake. So it's not Aladdin. What else
did they do in 2019?
>> It came out early.
>> Dumbo or like No.
Um,
was it a a modern movie or a older
animated movie?
>> It was a more modern animated movie.
This remake was directed by John Favro.
>> Oh, it's not Jungle Book. It's
>> Lion King.
>> Lion King. Correct. Lion King made 1.6
>> John
>> billion dollars. Stop calling those live
action. That was a fully animated movie.
>> I know. I agree.
>> There's no live animal in that movie.
Um, number three at the worldwide box
office was an animated sequel to a
gamecher movie that came out in 2014.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, this sequel came out in 2019.
>> Okay.
>> Disney animation.
>> Uh, it's not Frozen, but it's Frozen.
>> It's Frozen 2. Yeah. Made 1.4 billion.
>> Oh, the Ice Horses.
>> Uh-huh. Uh, number four was Spider-Man
Far From Home. Okay. Made 1.13 billion.
>> That's crazy.
>> Um, number five
was Another Marvel movie. Another Marvel
movie,
>> another MCU movie made a billion dollars
that year.
>> Is it Captain Marvel?
>> Correct. Was the fifth highest grossing
movie. It outgrowth The Rise of
Skywalker.
>> I I remember I used to we used to go see
the the Friday night releases of Marvel
movies at the Ark Light at 8:00 p.m. Fei
would always show up uh and usually they
have like some of the cast, some of the
crew there or some cast members there. I
remember being there for Infinity War
before the movie started and Tom Holland
came out and said, "I'm alive." And
everyone went, "What?" And he went,
"What? You guys haven't seen the movie
yet?" And it's like, "What do you think
this is, Tom? You think we sat through
the movie and we're just sitting here.
We're waiting for it." Anyways, uh we
were there for Captain Marvel. Uh Feige
wasn't there. It was just the directors.
And they came out and they were like,
"Hi."
>> And then they kind of left.
>> Does anyone remember who directed the
Marvel?
>> It's two people, a man and a woman. And
I don't remember their names.
>> They're great.
>> And that was the movie that the Marvel
title thing has all Stanley in. It's
very sweet.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> because we had no more Stanley. So 2021
was an odd time.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh but in December of 2021, these are
all movies that you'll recognize and
remember. At this point, a lot of movie
theaters have begun to reopen.
>> Um Spider-Man No Way Home obviously had
I think one of the biggest opening
weekends ever, if not the biggest.
Spider-Man No Way Home opening weekend
domestic made $260 million
>> in December of 2020.
>> Is that like is it a fiveday thing
they're doing? It came out on a
Wednesday or
>> It came out like a Friday. Like Thursday
night Friday.
>> Crazy.
>> Yeah. Um, okay. So, but the
>> I mean I remember you would go to the
movie theater and it was just like all
Spider-Man.
>> All Spider-Man. Yeah. I mean this is the
movie they could say Top Gun Maverick
saved movies in summer 2022.
>> This saved movies.
>> This is the This is the movie that saved
movies concept still works.
>> Yes. Um the number two movie um I
remember it being a Disney streaming
release but it was a Disney theatrical
release as well. Um it was like the
November
Disney animated um movie. Um
>> Oh, it's incontto.
>> Incontto.
>> Yeah, cuz it it did come out in theaters
and no one and it was a big word of
mouthther like no this is very good and
the songs are catchy and then the songs
started catching it
>> and movie theaters had opened uh
internationally and KTO did great
globally did very well for Disney. Um
the number three movie was another
musical
>> Westside Story.
>> Correct. That movie is great. Beginning
of like I think Spielberg was like back,
baby, you know what I mean? Uh I'm
excited for Disclosure Day, but I'm also
>> keep my fingers crossed cuz I I mean
>> Spielberg is incredible. There's so his
legacy is untouchable, whatever. But
like those early 2000 movies I love so
much. Uh like Minority Report and if
you've never seen his version of War of
the Worlds, it is so good. It is so
dark. It's great. Check it out. Uh but
yeah, and then I think he had a little
slump, but this was Westside Story was
great.
>> The Fableman's eraser will never be
forgiven.
>> No, I I think the Fable Men's is also
that came after Westside Story. Um but
it it's really good except for Alden
Eric or whatever. He's just so
>> What do you mean recent Toby award?
Alden Erin Reich is in what are you
talking about?
>> The guy who plays Tony in
>> You're thinking of Anel Elgor.
>> Anel Elgore. I'm sorry.
>> Alden Arin Reich just won a Tony.
>> I know those in Oppenheimer. apologies
to him.
>> But Alden Arin Reich also I believe got
in a fight at the
>> well crazy story with Alden Arin Reich
that Berg might be able to tell you
better. Uh he got some bad press I
believe at um Sundance Film Festival for
drinking and getting into a physical
altercation with like a publicist. But
is this publicist is has a bad
reputation herself for like starting
fights with people. So who knows who
knows really what happened. Um uh happy
to see Alden get his Tony. He deserved
it. Congratulations.
>> Um, number four at this December 2021
box office is another
>> interesting
legacy [clears throat] sequel that
restarted similar to Jumanji started a
new franchise that it got a sequel.
>> Sonic
>> it was a Sony franchise. Okay.
>> Sonic was Paramount. Um,
>> it uh was kind of a legacy sequel that
has some controversial use of AI or not
AI, controversial use of CGI to
resurrect a dead actor as a ghost.
>> Oh. Oh, Ghostbusters.
>> Ghostbusters Afterlife. Yes,
>> definitely questionable.
>> Yeah. And then
>> didn't say anything at least.
>> The fifth movie I do not remember being
out in theaters, but it was
>> okay.
>> I remember it as a Netflix movie that I
watched later.
>> Oh, it's this is not Knives Out was not
Netflix yet.
>> No,
>> it was still on its own.
>> It's a movie that I remember you doing
lots of bits about.
Red. No,
[laughter]
>> I don't want to say the closing the
closing line of the movie is something
that we've clowned on. And clown is a
term I'm using with a double meaning
here.
>> Closing line of the movie.
>> A movie that you could say is about
caries.
Uh oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. I'll geek.
>> Mister. I was born for it. [laughter]
>> The movie.
>> Nightmare Alley.
>> Nightmare Alley. movie is great.
>> It's very good.
>> It's very good.
>> I definitely did not watch it in
theaters unfortunately, but it's
beautiful. Aro Deltomo drawing. But Mr.
I was born for it, man. And that is a
remake of a classic movie, too.
>> Yes. An old an old movie. Um, so the
worldwide box office in 2021 is quite
weird because um Spider-Man No Way Home
made $1.9 billion. I believe it remains
a top five alltime highest grossing
movie. But the number two and number
three movies, I'll be surprised if you
know them. They're Chinese films.
>> Oh, okay.
>> That both did incredibly well.
>> Yeah.
>> Um,
>> is one of them an anime one that had a
sequel recently that made like $2
billion?
>> Jay not. No, it's not. It's They're both
live action movies.
>> Oh, okay. Then I probably have no idea.
>> The number two movie was the Battle of
Lake Shanhin.
>> No,
>> sorry if I'm mispronouncing that. $900
million. And then a movie called High
Mom. Uh that was kind of like an
interesting family,
not romantic, but an interesting family
kind of comedy story. Um I have not seen
either movie.
>> Uh but that made $822 million.
>> Okay.
>> Uh but you'll know the number four and
number five worldwide movies. One was
kind of the ending of a big huge uh era
of a franchise that um it ends with like
the main hero who had played this iconic
role.
>> His life ends in this movie. M
>> it's kind of like it's actually the the
this is probably the longest running
film franchise.
>> Oh, is this Bond? This is uh No Time To
Die.
>> Correct. No Time To Die. Uh made $774
million.
>> It was
>> worldwide. We forget that the 007 movies
are international gangbusters
performance.
>> Really? Well,
>> uh the number five movie is another huge
franchise, the ninth of this heist
franchise. another Fantastic 4 or um uh
Fast and Furious, sorry.
>> Yeah, it was Fast and Furious. Fast
Nine, the Fast Saga.
>> Is that what that one was called? The
Fast Saga.
>> So, it was the follow-up to Fate of the
Furious.
>> The Mimoa one or is he in a couple of
them?
>> He joins in Fast 10.
>> Okay.
>> I cannot remember which I don't know if
I even saw Fast N.
>> I I have, you know, I've seen like the
first three definitely. I've seen the
one where they steal the safe and drive
it around
>> five.
>> I think I saw seven where CGI Paul
Walker drives off, right? Is that seven?
>> I don't know. They're just like tough.
>> That is a Furious 7.
>> Is that where they go to space, too? Or
did that happen later?
>> Um, so I believe this is the one where
uh uh um what's his face?
>> Everyone's in these movies, so I don't
know.
>> They all join them. This is um uh
>> like Helen Mirren's in these movies,
right?
>> Yes. John Cena joins the cast in this
movie.
>> Uh we've already had
>> The Rock's already in it.
>> The Rock's been in it for
>> Jason's already in it. They've already
>> joined in Fate of the Fury along with
Helen
>> Mir. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Uh okay. I
>> I think I think Jake Sully as an Avatar
shows up in this movie. He checks in
from Pandora.
>> So that's what it is. Uh John Cena joins
us as Jacob Tretto, Dom's brother. Oh,
yes. So, he's
>> We have to get all of the resolution.
Yeah. His windshield wipers are just his
hand doing this, I think, in the movies.
>> Uh, so we'll leave it there in this
extended episode of The Road to
Doomsday. Brandon, it's been great
having you back.
>> What a pleasure. Thank you so much for
having me. Love Spider-Man.
>> Big thanks to uh Brian Kim who's been
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>> No, I'm off.
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