[0:00] We've got a ton of cool spaces here at [0:02] Linus Media Group. We've got office [0:03] spaces, testing spaces, studio spaces, [0:06] soundproof spaces, hidden spaces, even [0:09] parking spaces. But there's one kind of [0:11] space we always need more of, and that [0:14] is [0:16] meeting spaces. [0:20] >> Can I help you? [0:21] >> Actually, I think you can see this is my [0:24] office, [0:25] >> but it's also call room 104B. Did you [0:27] book it today? No, I didn't. Which is [0:30] exactly the problem that we're trying to [0:33] solve. That's where call pods like these [0:35] come in. Whether you need to jump on a [0:37] conference call or host a meeting or if [0:40] you just plain can't take Sean's chair [0:43] squeaking anymore, you just jump into [0:45] one of these and your problem goes away. [0:49] I need you to get some more call pods [0:50] right away. [0:51] >> I can tell procurement, but you know [0:52] these cost, right? [0:54] >> Seven grand for what? An upholstered [0:57] phone booth. $40,000 for this meeting [1:00] room? Come on. These things can't be [1:02] that complicated. You built an arcade. [1:04] You built a server rack. I bet you could [1:07] build one of these for cheaper. [1:08] >> I probably [1:09] >> I'll take that as a yes. So, on this [1:11] episode of Buyer DIY, Jordan is going to [1:14] be tackling the challenge of building a [1:15] twoperson call pod and seeing both in [1:18] terms of time investment and money how [1:22] that compares to a commercial solution. [1:24] >> Let's go. [1:26] And the best part is, check this out. I [1:29] got my office back and I can use it to [1:31] tell you about our sponsor, [1:33] >> Squarespace. Build a professionallook [1:35] website for your business. It's easy to [1:37] use, efficient, and can even help you [1:38] with payment processing. You can save [1:40] 10% at squarespace.com/ltt. [1:42] Today [1:52] we'll be comparing our efforts to this [1:54] Tuesday plus pod from Bureau. It's a [1:56] twoperson pod that retails for about [1:58] 14,000 US plus installation, which I say [2:01] is about another grand. I'm pretty [2:03] confident we can make our own for a lot [2:04] less. So, let's go do some drawing. I [2:06] want to keep roughly the same dimensions [2:08] of the Tuesday pod. So, our base will be [2:10] a little smaller than the 4x8 sheet of [2:12] plywood built on top of a 2 by two [2:14] frame. We'll put posts around the [2:15] perimeter made up of 1x4s that will glue [2:18] together into different profiles. And [2:19] then between those posts, we'll sandwich [2:22] between some hardboard and then cover it [2:24] with some fabric that we'll figure out [2:25] later on. If you didn't follow any of [2:27] that, don't worry. We'll cover it as we [2:29] go along. Now that we've got a plan, [2:31] we're going to start trimming down our [2:32] 1x4s. [2:39] Yeah, I got like a fingers gap. [2:41] >> That's fine. It'll tighten up on me. [2:43] >> Yeah. So, we'll just have to like [2:44] section it down. [2:44] >> Fine. [2:45] >> We're going to glue and then nail these [2:47] together because we really don't have [2:48] enough clamps to do it the proper way. [3:00] The base is just a simple floor framing. [3:02] It's 2 by twos and some plywood on top [3:04] and should be no problem. [3:08] >> This is exactly how the Egyptians built [3:09] the pyramids. [3:10] >> Yeah, [3:12] >> with a table saw. [3:13] >> Same technology. We've just trimmed our [3:15] plywood down to size. And now, because [3:17] we know that's the right size, we can [3:19] actually just use it as our template for [3:21] all our 2 by twos and not have to [3:22] measure them. We just put them on flush, [3:25] use our pencil to mark, and we'll just [3:27] cut on that line that we just made. [3:35] And I guess this one's times three. Oh, [3:38] no. Five. Hey, actually, can we do six [3:42] instead of five? I want to make this a [3:43] little beefier, I think. [3:50] All right. [3:50] >> Okay. [3:51] >> Now, we can [3:52] >> drop it like it's hot. [3:53] >> Yeah. [3:59] >> Floor. [3:59] >> All right. work here is done. [4:02] >> This feels bigger. [4:04] >> Yeah, maybe a little bit. [4:05] >> I definitely got more leg room cuz I [4:07] think the difference between ours and [4:09] theirs, [4:11] >> you have the walls set on the outside, [4:13] right? [4:14] >> They're kind of along the edge. [4:16] >> The outer part will be theirs are more [4:18] in more inward set. [4:19] >> Okay. How this is going to work is our [4:22] outside corners [4:24] will get screwed into the base here. [4:27] We'll layer this up with cardboard, [4:29] sonopen, more hardboard, and some kind [4:32] of fabric on the inside. And then these [4:35] guys, [4:37] we'll sandwich it all in, and they'll [4:40] staple or screw or nail or whatever in [4:42] to hold it all together. I think if we [4:44] go about 79, that gives us 3 or 4 in for [4:47] our ceiling assembly. [4:48] >> Yeah, that should be fine. Just keep in [4:50] mind, inner ones are going to have to be [4:51] shorter. Now the question is, are we [4:54] putting that internal flooring stuff [4:55] down first before that? [4:57] >> Well, this goes on the outside, [5:00] right? [5:00] >> Talk about the inner wall portion [5:02] >> and then the flooring goes down [5:04] and then the wall. [5:06] >> So, we're going to measure from the [5:07] floor. [5:08] >> Measure from the concrete. [5:11] >> This side is 8T. This side is 8t of it. [5:15] >> Okay, let's go 7' 10. It's more than [5:18] enough wiggle room. [5:19] >> Yeah. and Lucas might have to duck. [5:22] We'll see. Good enough. We'll see you [5:24] guys tomorrow. We're back on day two. [5:26] Our first task is to chop these guys [5:28] down to size and then we can start [5:29] attaching them to the base. [5:42] We're going to add crossmembers to make [5:44] this a little bit more stable. It's kind [5:45] of kind of wiggly right now. The problem [5:47] is we're going to dovetail those in to [5:51] those uprightes. And we really probably [5:53] should have done that before we glued [5:55] everything together. We made these 3D [5:57] printed templates to make it easier to [5:58] figure out our dovetails. That'll go in [6:00] the crossmember. [6:02] And we'll cut out that hole. [6:04] This will go on here. That is backwards. [6:08] >> If we mess up something. [6:09] >> Yeah, this is backwards. [6:11] >> Oh. [6:11] >> Uh, make that more different. [6:13] >> Make more different. Okay. [6:15] >> I think this one's okay. What a guy [6:17] making me print more stuff all the time. [6:20] But here is the new piece. It is more [6:23] different. Let's go see how. [6:25] >> The issue was I had this stop block on [6:27] the wrong side on the previous version. [6:29] So, it would have been impossible to [6:30] mark the wood properly. [6:31] >> This is a Milwaukee multi-tool. It is a [6:34] vibrating saw, so the saw head just kind [6:36] of goes back and forth really fast like [6:38] that. Makes it super easy to get into [6:40] tight to reach spaces like this. And fun [6:42] fact, this is very similar tool to what [6:44] they use for taking casts off. So you [6:46] could even touch this while it's moving [6:47] and it won't hurt you. [6:56] This is a Rioba or Ryoba. I'm not sure [6:59] how to pronounce it. It is a pull saw [7:00] from Japan. So instead of a western saw [7:03] where you push to cut, this pulls. And [7:05] for me at least, they're way more [7:06] accurate. [7:07] >> I feel like that makes way more sense. [7:08] And [7:09] >> it's got two kinds of teeth. I'm going [7:10] to zoom way in here. [7:13] So, it's got four rip cut, which is [7:15] going with the grain, and cross cut, [7:18] which is going against the grain. [7:19] >> So, on the upside, the length is right. [7:21] Downside is, uh, we got some, uh, some [7:24] massaging to do. [7:25] >> That's expected. [7:26] >> Yeah. [7:27] >> All right. [7:40] We need the white hardboard first. [7:43] >> Is that going on the outside? [7:44] >> This is the outside. [7:44] >> Okay. So, [7:46] >> then sauna pan. [7:47] >> Okay. Putting the hardboard on the [7:48] outside. [7:50] What else do we need to dovetail? Cuz [7:52] we're not going to be able to do that on [7:53] the inside. We need access to both. [7:56] >> Uh, just here and there. [8:00] >> We're not doing any more along the top. [8:02] >> Oh, balls. [8:04] So, those kind of have to get done first [8:06] before we can [8:06] >> Oh, that sucks. Okay. [8:08] >> do any of the exterior things. [8:14] Next, we're going to trim our hardboard [8:16] and our sauna pan. And we're definitely [8:19] want mask for that cuz it's not fun [8:20] stuff to get in your lungs. [8:31] Next, we're going to build a sandwich [8:33] out of some hardboard and some sauna [8:35] pan. Uh, this is a soundproofing [8:37] material made of like recycled fibers. I [8:39] don't think you can get it in the [8:40] states. So, we're going to do this white [8:42] hardboard on the outside cuz it's [8:44] already finished and I'm lazy. Then the [8:45] sauna pan and then the [8:48] >> more other hardboard. [8:49] >> More other hardboard, which later on is [8:51] going to get a coat of some kind of [8:52] fabric. [9:02] got a bit of a problem. Turns out our [9:04] distance here at the bottom is 40 and [9:09] 3/4 of an inch, whereas up here it's 41. [9:14] So, we're quarter inch out, meaning our [9:16] uprightes are going up at angles. [9:20] This is not good. I think we're going to [9:21] have to bash this out. Do number three. [9:34] And then we'll do the same dimension up [9:36] top so we can just nail it up there to [9:38] hold it in the right spot. [9:40] >> Okay. [9:41] >> Then we can screw in the panels and call [9:43] it a day. [9:44] >> Sure. [9:48] >> Okay. [9:49] >> All right. I think we're pretty good for [9:51] day two. We've got our first sandwich [9:53] done. We had [9:56] some challenges with our dovetails, but [9:57] I think we finally figured that out. We [9:59] have good even dimensions on both sides [10:02] now. [10:02] >> Yeah. [10:03] >> And there's already some soundproofing. [10:04] Yeah. Give it a test. Justin, [10:07] >> can you hear me? [10:08] >> Nope. Not at all. [10:08] >> Perfect. [10:11] We'll see you guys tomorrow. [10:18] Ah, in the middle the dovetails seem to [10:21] work just fine because we have a lot of [10:24] material both top and bottom. So, it [10:26] doesn't really have a way to split. But, [10:28] as you can see, once we get closer to [10:30] the top, there's not really a whole lot [10:32] holding that dovetail in. So, they kind [10:34] of just pop as you saw there. [10:37] >> What do we What do we lose if we pivot [10:40] this [10:41] >> at this point? The piece that we had cut [10:43] for the wall with the sauna pan and the [10:45] hardboard, that'll work for the floor. [10:47] >> Okay. Okay, so we got nothing lost [10:49] there. I mean, at this point, it's [10:51] looking like we're just losing a couple [10:52] pieces of lumber. [10:53] >> What if we just go BC box, 2x two walls, [10:58] sonopan inside it, sandwich it with the [11:00] hardboard on the outside, so it gives [11:01] rigidity, [11:02] >> and then just get some corners, [11:04] >> pretty it up a bit. [11:04] >> The post and panel construction with the [11:06] dovetails is turning out to be just a [11:08] nightmare to deal with. So, we're going [11:10] to switch to a more traditional North [11:11] American stick framing using 2 by twos. [11:14] That should be more rigid and it'll [11:16] actually let us cram more sauna pen into [11:17] the walls. Just means we're in for a lot [11:19] more cutting. [11:20] >> All right, time to rip the wall down. [11:31] >> We're going to pre-drill our holes this [11:32] time just to avoid any possible [11:34] splitting. And uh this should go a lot [11:37] better. [11:42] Okay, now we do that three more times. [11:44] We got us a barn. [11:49] It's day four. Our next step, I think, [11:51] is to put on our sheathing on the walls [11:53] to give this a little bit more uh [11:55] rigidity. And then we'll fill her up [11:57] with Sona Pan. I should mention it's day [12:00] four, but we haven't been doing like 8 [12:02] hour days on this by any means, so like [12:04] don't get too worried about us. [12:05] >> Yeah, we're doing real construction [12:07] hours. [12:07] >> Exactly. [12:10] So, we're like 46 and 38. [12:13] Oh, thank God. [12:15] >> What? [12:15] >> Exactly 8 ft. [12:17] >> Nice. [12:40] We're here on day six or seven somewhere [12:43] in there and we're ready to start [12:44] cutting acrylic to make our windows. [12:46] What we need to do is cut two of each [12:48] size and then we'll sandwich them [12:50] together with air in between and that'll [12:52] hopefully denten the sound a lot more. [12:54] We've got a plastic specific blade on [12:57] our saw. Basically just means lots more [12:59] teeth. But we're going to take it slow [13:01] and uh see how it goes here. [13:09] You can tell we weren't exactly square, [13:11] but the trim will hide it. [13:12] >> Yep, exactly. [13:15] That one's good. [13:16] >> Yeah. [13:18] >> Beautiful. [13:18] >> Yeah. I'll do [13:19] >> It's been a long time since I've done [13:21] this, but the basic idea is we'll have [13:24] our trim on both sides. [13:28] The first layer of acrylic goes here. [13:31] then some kind of spacer or goo or [13:34] something. We'll deal with that when we [13:35] come to it. Then another layer of [13:37] acrylic and then another layer of trim [13:40] to make the whole thing a sandwich. And [13:41] then in theory, that air gap between the [13:43] two layers gives us some extra [13:44] soundproofing. It's been a few days [13:46] since you've seen us. In the meantime, [13:48] we built a bench. Uh we've got two [13:50] pieces of acrylic in. And uh our next [13:53] actual step is to put the second piece [13:55] of acrylic on this side. Unfortunately, [13:57] if you want to bring the camera around [13:59] here, that means we have to build up all [14:01] the framing around it in order to fit [14:04] that, which means we're going to have to [14:06] put in this inside finished panel before [14:09] we can really go any further, which [14:10] Justin is going to have to go and put [14:12] together right about now. Before we put [14:14] the hardboard up onto the walls, what [14:16] we're going to do is cover it in some [14:18] fabric. Just kind of maybe pretty up a [14:19] bit. First things first, lay in some [14:22] spray glue. And then I will start laying [14:24] in the fabric. [14:28] All right. Now that the spray glue is [14:29] laid in, time to lay in the fabric. This [14:31] is a lot easier with two people, but [14:33] Jordan is busy right now. So, [14:37] to kind of make this in lay in a little [14:39] bit easier and kind of get rid of some [14:41] of the wrinkles, I'm just going to use a [14:42] normal clothing iron. Works great for [14:44] getting out all the tiny wrinkles and [14:45] stuff like that. And hopefully there'll [14:46] be less air bubbles trapped as well, [14:48] too. [14:53] All right, I'm going to finish up the [14:54] other half here. As you can see, it's [14:55] going down pretty much as smooth as it's [14:57] going to get, I think. Um, yeah. We'll [14:59] see you when we go to put the wall in. [15:01] Okay, one panel. Let's get her in. [15:07] Good. [15:12] Might as well [15:14] >> get the full peel on camera, you know. [15:22] We still need to fill out two pieces of [15:24] SonaPan and then another upholstered [15:27] panel up here before we can put the [15:28] glass in. [15:30] That was better. [15:35] This pseudo leather stuff, whatever, is [15:38] left over from the fire truck. We're [15:40] just going to spray adhesive it onto our [15:42] panels here and then uh staple that onto [15:44] the wall. [15:46] Keep it in there for now. So, this is I [15:50] forget the name. It is some kind of [15:51] glazing tape. [15:52] >> Chromate. [15:52] >> Basically, we're going to put it on here [15:54] just to prevent the acrylic from [15:56] rattling against the uh the trim here. [15:59] Feels like a clay. [16:11] Still got to do the top and bottom trim. [16:14] That's way easier. [16:16] It's already in place. So, we just got [16:17] to trim it. [16:20] >> Can you hear me now? [16:21] >> Hello. [16:22] >> Yes. [16:23] >> We've put together a door with some [16:25] chopped up 2x4s and using pocket holes [16:28] the wrong way. [16:30] We just got to sauna pan that put on the [16:34] second piece of glass in the sheathing. [16:36] And then we'll learn how to hang a door. [16:38] That's future Jordan's problem. And if [16:41] you come with me, we can see where we're [16:42] at on the actual pod. We've got the wall [16:46] panels fully installed. Uh Justin's just [16:48] starting on the electrical. Next time [16:50] you see this, it'll probably be be done. [16:52] We just got to do kind of floor and [16:54] ceiling after this. So, we'll see you [16:57] guys in a bit. Time to find out how they [17:00] did. I have no idea how much money they [17:02] spent, but I do know how long they've [17:04] been working on it. So, uh given that we [17:08] account for our time in our budget, [17:10] >> it's it's been a long time. [17:12] >> It looks pretty good, though. Thank you. [17:15] >> No, no, I don't mean that as like a [17:17] buttering up compliment thing. I mean, [17:19] it actually looks pretty good. [17:21] Obviously, it could use a little bit of [17:22] putty in a paint job here and there. [17:24] >> Well, we know you love painting so much, [17:25] so we figured we'd do that for you. [17:27] >> The number of times I said eggshells, [17:30] >> we don't have a swear button. But in [17:32] terms of like nailing the function, [17:37] wow, [17:42] you can fit so much privacy in this bad [17:44] boy. And I haven't even been inside yet. [17:46] Jordan, would you like to join me for a [17:48] quick meeting? [17:49] >> I suppose so. [17:50] >> I can already see a few things that are [17:52] going to help a lot with the privacy of [17:54] this call pod. We obviously used double [17:56] paneed glass here. [17:59] We uh [18:00] >> it was a real pain, let me tell you. Hi, [18:01] I get it. Now, you've got a shotgun mic [18:03] there on the camera. So, what we're [18:04] going to do is we're going to have the [18:05] editor switch to that from my lavalier [18:07] microphone and see what the difference [18:09] is once I close this door. Okay. I'm [18:12] going to speak in the same volume as a [18:18] privacy. [18:20] >> Oo. [18:22] Okay. This table is a significant [18:26] improvement in function over some of the [18:29] other tables in our call pods. There are [18:33] probably some things that would serve to [18:36] stabilize it a little bit more. [18:38] >> Little bit of bracing would help. [18:39] >> Little bit of bracing would help, but [18:41] it's a huge issue for me when I'm [18:43] sitting in those things that the table's [18:45] like way out here [18:46] >> and you only get like one laptop on it [18:47] if you're lucky. Like, [18:48] >> and if it's not way out there, it's like [18:52] you can't get in and out of it. Oh. Oh, [18:54] dude. [18:54] >> That's your fan control. [18:56] >> WHERE IS IT? NO, I see it. Wait. Oh. Oh, [18:59] it's a combo bathroom light fan unit. [19:02] Yep. [19:02] >> That's actually pretty smart. [19:04] >> And it has multiple levels of light. [19:07] >> Hey, so depending on what kind of a [19:10] meeting we're having. [19:13] >> Oh, no. I like this. Okay. My initial [19:18] thought was, wow, this table, you know, [19:20] it could be a little bit more, you know, [19:22] solid or whatever, but now it's [19:24] optional. [19:24] >> The idea was they wanted a space they [19:27] have as a little kind of mini office. [19:29] >> So, we can push that against the wall, [19:31] push the chair up against that, and they [19:32] can just work as an office. [19:33] >> I did not expect us to DIY the bench, [19:37] but it actually turned out pretty okay. [19:40] >> Justin did a pretty good job. [19:41] >> I wouldn't want to sit on it all day, [19:42] but it's definitely fine for a meeting. [19:44] >> That's a feature. You won't hog the pot. [19:47] >> This is true. And then what am I looking [19:49] at here? [19:50] >> Uh, we've got a USBC powered screen here [19:52] for sharing your video or whatever you [19:54] need to. [19:55] >> Oh, cool. [19:56] >> So then you're not hunching around [19:57] trying to share one screen. [19:59] >> Yeah, for sure. [20:00] >> We've got power and USB and everything [20:02] here. [20:02] >> Now, what did you guys do for noise [20:04] treatment in here? I already saw the [20:05] couple of these Elgato sound panels, but [20:08] what else do you [20:08] >> That's more to kind of deal with the [20:10] bounce. So, what we've got inside each [20:11] of the walls is a dual layer of sonopan, [20:14] and that cuts out. We tested it at about [20:16] 30 dB overall. [20:18] >> That's actually pretty solid. That's [20:20] about on par with the commercial ones. [20:22] >> Yep. They're rated to about 28 29 [20:24] somewhere there. So, margin of error, [20:25] we're probably about the same as them [20:27] realistically. [20:28] >> Now, Jordan, [20:30] >> I do have one major concern. [20:32] >> Okay. [20:33] >> Right now, this is in our workshop. [20:35] >> Yes. [20:35] >> How does it get not in our workshop? [20:38] >> Well, we have it on casters. Really? [20:40] >> So, the idea is you just activate the [20:42] casters and then you can get the [20:43] forklift under it. But, uh, if you want [20:46] to try it yourself, there's a slight [20:47] problem. [20:48] >> Okay. You just count 1 2 3 Jordan. [20:51] >> Okay. 1 2 3. [20:53] >> Yeah. [20:56] >> Okay. Now, what? [20:58] >> That's about as high as it goes. [20:59] >> Oh, so we got like 2 mm of clearance. [21:03] >> That feels optimistic. [21:06] Yeah. So, what I've done is I've [21:09] declared this an Alex problem. [21:11] >> I see. [21:12] >> And it's not a problem for the video [21:13] anymore. [21:14] >> What is a problem for the video [21:16] >> is the price. [21:18] >> Where did we land? The comparably [21:20] featured Tuesday Plus from Bureau costs [21:23] $14,000 [21:25] >> plus install. [21:27] >> Plus install. [21:27] >> So, we're under budget. [21:30] I can tell you that much. For materials, [21:31] we spent about 4,400 Canadian. So, 3,100 [21:35] US or so. Wow, that's way under. [21:39] >> But it was a lot of time. [21:40] >> Yes, it was. [21:42] >> Uh, we spent about 176 hours in here [21:47] >> at 30 bucks US an hour. [21:51] So [21:53] what that tells us is unless you're a [21:56] small business owner with functionally [21:58] unlimited time [22:00] >> to build something like this [22:01] >> workshop and tools and [22:04] >> or you're a large organization that [22:07] happens to have a team of onstaff [22:10] skilled construction laborers who could [22:12] build them for you. Probably doesn't [22:14] make any sense cuz if you're hiring [22:16] contractors to do something like this or [22:19] using [22:21] more highly paid employees. [22:23] The economics [22:25] are tough. [22:26] >> Technically, we saved about six grand [22:28] us, [22:30] >> but realistically, this was way too much [22:33] work. [22:33] >> What else could Jordan have been doing [22:35] in that time and Justin [22:37] >> like five other videos maybe? So, I [22:39] think this might be a case where we [22:41] succeeded, but we also kind of failed. [22:43] >> Purick victory. Maybe in future buyer [22:46] DIYs we have a little bit of a time [22:48] limit or something too. A couple [22:49] weekends maybe. [22:50] >> Scope control. [22:52] >> Yeah, we we preach scope control here. [22:54] >> You know what else we preach? The gospel [22:56] of Segway [22:57] >> to our sponsor [22:58] >> Squarespace. You'd be surprised how many [22:59] businesses out there are operating [23:01] without a website. 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