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title: 'The Linux Challenge Is Going... - WAN Show February 27, 2026'
source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=7UGVk9ST8xw'
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date: 2026-07-20
duration_sec: 14215
channel: 'Linus Tech Tips'
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# The Linux Challenge Is Going... - WAN Show February 27, 2026

> Source: [The Linux Challenge Is Going... - WAN Show February 27, 2026](https://youtube.com/watch?v=7UGVk9ST8xw)

## Summary

In this episode of the WAN Show, Linus Sebastian shares his frustrating experience with the Linux Challenge 2026, detailing numerous unexpected issues while trying to game on Pop OS. The hosts also discuss a range of tech news, including Donut Labs' questionable solid-state battery claims, media consolidation, and the impact of AI in the workplace.

### Key Points

- **Linux Challenge Begins** [00:10] — Linus starts the Linux Challenge 2026, aiming to use Linux as his daily driver. He encounters multiple issues, including a dead M.2 SSD and game crashes.
- **Pop OS Installation and Initial Success** [05:59] — Linus installs Pop OS and finds the initial setup smooth, with easy access to Steam and Discord, praising the experience over Windows.
- **Left 4 Dead 2 Crashes** [07:35] — Despite being a native Valve game, Left 4 Dead 2 crashes within 30-60 seconds of gameplay, forcing Linus to troubleshoot.
- **Fix: Forcing Vulkan** [15:41] — The crash is resolved by forcing Vulkan via launch options, a common Linux gaming fix, but Linus criticizes that a first-party Valve game requires tinkering.
- **Mouse Input Issues in Helldivers** [18:11] — In Helldivers, mouse look stops working, but a controller works fine. Linus also encounters a strange white border on the screen.
- **Multiple Steam Windows Bug** [20:05] — Linus experiences a bizarre bug where multiple Steam windows appear, all sharing the same input, making navigation impossible.
- **Luke's Distro Choice: CachyOS** [26:26] — Luke chooses CachyOS, an Arch-based distro optimized for gaming, citing its performance focus and similarity to Steam OS.
- **Luke's Smooth Experience** [30:49] — Luke reports a mostly smooth experience with CachyOS, only minor issues like audio problems in Discord that a reboot fixed.
- **Teams Issues on Linux** [37:14] — Linus struggles with Microsoft Teams on Linux, as there is no official app and the web version has integration problems.
- **Changing OS is Not a Hobby** [41:00] — Linus emphasizes that for most people, changing their operating system is not a hobby, highlighting the friction Linux still presents.
- **Social Friction with Linux** [44:37] — Linus notes that using Linux can cause social friction in gaming groups, as compatibility issues may lead to being excluded from game sessions.
- **Third Place Inc. Concept** [54:10] — Linus discusses the idea of 'Third Place Inc.,' a physical venue without online presence to encourage casual social interaction, inspired by the lack of third places.
- **Doomscrolling and Third Places** [01:01:14] — The hosts discuss how smartphones and doomscrolling contribute to the decline of third places, as people stay home instead of socializing.
- **AirPods and Social Isolation** [01:04:03] — They debate how AirPods and headphones create social barriers, making public interactions less likely, though acknowledging safety concerns for women.
- **VPN Business Model** [01:22:23] — Luke explains why VPNs are profitable: low average usage, low quality-of-service expectations, and high subscription retention even when not actively used.
- **Archive.today Controversy** [01:34:05] — Wikipedia removes over 690,000 archive.today links due to security risks, including malicious code injection and altered archived content, undermining trust.
- **Donut Labs Solid-State Battery Claims** [02:00:25] — Donut Labs claims a solid-state battery breakthrough, but skepticism arises as third-party tests did not verify it's actually solid-state, and voltage curves resemble lithium-ion.
- **Short Circuit Water Bottle Controversy** [02:08:49] — Linus addresses a Short Circuit video that promoted a water bottle with unsubstantiated health claims, leading to its removal and an internal investigation.
- **Screen Time and Academic Performance** [02:17:39] — A study shows a negative correlation between in-class computer use and academic performance, with Gen Z scoring worse on standardized tests than previous generations.
- **Reddit Fined by UK for Age Verification** [02:27:16] — Reddit is fined £14.5 million for failing to verify user ages, leading to potential exposure of children to harmful content. Reddit plans to appeal.
- **Burger King's AI Monitoring** [02:44:39] — Burger King introduces 'Patty,' an AI assistant that monitors employee interactions for politeness and notifies management of issues, raising privacy concerns.
- **Workplace Monitoring Debate** [02:49:05] — Linus and Luke discuss the balance between necessary supervision and invasive monitoring, noting that excessive surveillance can disenfranchise workers.
- **Paramount to Acquire Warner Bros.** [03:14:00] — Paramount is set to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery for $7 billion, raising concerns about media consolidation and monopolies in streaming.
- **HP Misleading Storage Advertising** [03:16:59] — HP sells laptops advertised as 1.6TB storage, but includes OneDrive cloud storage and a 512GB hard drive, with AI-generated product images.
- **Farmers Refuse to Sell Land for Data Centers** [03:25:09] — Farmers in Kentucky reject multi-million dollar offers from tech companies for their farmland, prioritizing their lifestyle over money.
- **Sam Altman's Controversial AI Defense** [03:34:52] — Sam Altman argues that AI's energy consumption is justified compared to training a human, but Linus counters that AI doesn't pay taxes, making the comparison flawed.
- **Italy's Cloud Storage Levy** [03:38:22] — Italy imposes a levy on cloud storage accounts, assuming they may be used for copyright infringement, similar to historical levies on blank media.

### Conclusion

The Linux Challenge highlights that while Linux has improved, it still requires tinkering and can cause social friction, making it unsuitable for users who just want things to work. The show also covers a wide range of tech news, from controversial battery claims to workplace monitoring and media consolidation.

## Transcript

WAN show. We have a terrific show for you guys today. The Linux challenge is you guys today. The Linux challenge is not going well for me. I managed to run
into it's hard to even it's hard to even quantify them at this point, but at least five things I've never seen before. And I swear I swear on What can I swear
on? Tell me something to swear on. >> Uh the show. >> Uh the show. >> I swear on the WAN show. I guess do I put my right [laughter] hand on it? I swear on the land show that I didn't do
anything weird. >> I swear it I swear it's true. >> The one the bug you showed me before the show was wild. I uh that was fascinating. >> I swear [laughter] I didn't DO ANYTHING.
>> I swear [laughter] I didn't DO ANYTHING. IN OTHER NEWS, Donut Labs claims to have made a solid state battery with the keyword being claims. Uh this rabbit keyword being claims. Uh this rabbit hole goes pretty deep. solid rabbit hole
that the state of it is uncertain and nebulous. What else we got this week? Paramount is set to take over Warner Bros. in a continued series of
media consolidation, which like should probably concern >> everyone. >> Everybody. Uh, also Burger King is vying >> Everybody. Uh, also Burger King is vying for the throne of politeness with AI in
all of their employees ears all the time. Oh, it's more wired up to their mouths, which is weirder. misunderstood. >> I was thinking when you didn't freak out
misunderstood. >> Yeah, that's a lot worse. [laughter]
The show is brought to you today by Vessie U Green app control [music] and ground news alongside our rap partner Dbrand and our laptop partner Razer and our chair partner also Razer which it's not a different company. It's just it's
>> Be funny if it was >> it'd be funny if it was also Razer. [laughter] just sponsored by both of them. Okay. What's going on? What do you want to do first? We have we have you talked
publicly I don't think so about what Dro you're going to choose. >> I have not because I hadn't decided until Elijah and I shot the first episode of Linux Challenge 2026. Okay. >> And Elijah even did not know that I did
not know which Linux DRO I was going to be using. He was like, "Okay, we're at just says Lionus decides on his dro." And I was like, "Well, yeah. Did you think did you did you think I was like
faking reading these listicles just now and like talking to the AI about what I >> Oh, interesting. And he's like, "No." So, so that was that's the thing is to the greatest degree that I can, my goal is to go into this kind of I'm
experiencing something relatively fresh. Like I've used Linux before, but it was >> and and not that much. I used it for a little while and then I didn't really use it anymore. And so I'm I'm doing what I do where I go in and I go, "Okay,
how would I do this?" So, I started with like Boomer uh best Linux distro for gaming. And so, I got listicles again. And to their better than last time. >> Really? That's actually a little
different at all to be honest. >> Except Except, hear me out, wait for it, I followed up by being a non- boomer and typing it into an LLM, which might
>> [sighs] >> Oh >> And to be clear, I'm not saying I'm not saying that any of the listicles that I saying that any of the listicles that I read happened to be LLM written or or
impossible. >> Maybe. And and at this point in this current state of the internet, you actually don't you can never really know because even if they got that information by reading somewhere else,
that other thing might have been assisted. the whole snake eating its tail situation that we've got going on here. So, so I started with googling listicles like a boomer and then followed up with asking an AI and once
again the overwhelming top recommendation was recommendation was come online give Pop OS another shot. So, I popped over to their website, downloaded the ISO, and it was off to
stumbling block. >> Races. Yeah, [laughter] >> it was exactly off to the races. Now, now, in fairness, the first issue I had was that the M.2 SSD that I've had sitting in my tech sack for the better
>> Oh, >> can't blame Pop OS for that. No. >> Nope. That's That's on me not putting it in an ESD bag. >> Oh, just RAW. >> Yep. It was just It was in there. It was
in there. Um I got it installed. Once I figured that out and I I used a different SSD, then everything was totally fat. No, just kidding. Um everything got pretty messed up. So,
I've got I've got a few little clips that I would I would love for Luke to see uh while we're here on the WAN show. Um I actually I cheated a little bit and I I showed him one of these earlier. Things were going really great. I
managed to find the store almost immediately. I managed to download Steam immediately. I managed to download Steam and Discord basically as if anything more easily than if I was on Windows or if I was on Mac OS. um like Windows in
particular, you can use the Microsoft Store, but like Store, but like how is it Microsoft that after you force how is it Microsoft that after you force me to sign in with an account when I
when I install Windows, how is it that I then have to sign into that account then have to sign into that account again when I open my browser and I go to my Microsoft email? Why do I have to do it again when I want to play Minecraft
with my kids? Why do I have to do it again? Why Why do I have to do it over and over and over again? >> I think playing Minecraft takes three if I remember correctly cuz the website and then the like launcher, but then you
Microsoft Store or whatever. Yeah, >> it's crazy. [laughter] wild. Like like system systemwide like user accounts have been a thing
have been a thing for how long how long has it been since Google account once? Yeah, >> like very long time. >> like very long time. >> Very very long time. Very long time. Um
so so that was really easy. That was awesome. And then I like downloaded a game and it like came down pretty fast. And and then and then and then things started to get a little weird and I ended up having I ended up actually
bailing on Linux on the first night because I had seven people waiting in a lobby for me to play Left 4 Dead 2 on spectate the game who were watching on Discord which was like another 10
were spectating? >> Probably around there. That sounds about right. So, I had all these people waiting for me and this is what would game. >> And it it is wild to start this
challenge at a land, but if it was Windows that he jumped in with this this >> Yeah. Well, yeah. >> So, we have to be like, you know, >> It's wild to start it out at a land, but also I I tried to throw a softball.
>> I've se I've seen I've seen a few Windows installs at lands. It's It's definitely happened. >> Um, I tried to Oh, do I actually have a clip of Left 4 Dead 2 crashing? So, I tried to throw a softball by by choosing
a game that I assumed, and this is not a crazy assumption that I assumed would be well supported on Linux. >> Honestly, I think that's not only a crazy assumption. I thought that by playing this game, we were actually
giving it an advantage. I I thought I was basically hacking for Steam to choose a first party Valve game as my cuz cuz the win condition for the first episode of Linux Challenge is always >> play a game,
>> Would you like to play a game? >> I honestly forgot that, but I'm I'm happy that I I did launch a game technically in the videos that I recorded. Since then, I've launched more games, so it's fine. But yeah, I did I
did launch a game. So, I ran into a situation where it totally worked in lobby, but then within about 30 seconds of being in the game, it would just >> Yeah. >> Like hard hard lock up or or just hard
>> And >> did it throw an error or anything? I >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um and then the second I can't remember. And I there's a lot of footage in here cuz I was expecting this to just be like
a quick thing. Like I quickly install and then I'm and then I'm playing Left 4 >> And and for reference, just before you keep going, someone said that apparently >> That doesn't surprise me. >> I don't remember that, but it doesn't
said some guy said he bought a fresh laptop for Whailand on the way there. So that like this is people have fresh Windows at lands. It it happens for All right, here's me playing through around once I fixed it. Okay, hold on. I
think I've got the error. So, yeah, this is wild. Here we go. I I I actually get into a game here. I move around my mouse a little bit. Everything's running. It's running at like 300 frames per second. And I'm
Give it like another Give it like another probably 10 to 15 seconds. I think I get to the bottom of the stairwell on the first map of the um which one which one is this again? What's the finale? The mall dead center.
>> And >> bof gone. It just disappeared. >> Hard cut to hard cut to desktop. >> And what's really frustrating is if you go on Proton DB, you find all these
>> it says native. >> It says native. And the first when I looked at it like the first two or three were like perfect. And I even scrolled down and the first one on Pop OS was like perfect, excellent, perfect. Now
when you start reading more of them, you go, "Oh, well, hold on a second. People Here, there was a really funny one. Can you go down a little bit? Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. There's one that says, "Hold on. Is this it?" Uh, steps
>> works perfectly out of the box. Tinker steps. Switch to experimental cell. Oh, said no tinker steps and then also said tinker steps. is it. >> So, literally what this person says is
>> right? >> And then the body here is tinker steps. Switch to experimental. Set this launch option. Then then they say the game ran
perfectly for me without any major issues. No tinkering done whatsoever. [laughter] This is where I end up feeling like I'm put in a really uncomfortable position
because when you are engaging with this level of delusion, I feel like I feel like I'm I feel like I'm made to be the bad guy here. like you've got this you've got this stance
you've got this you've got this stance that's so far out of reality that you like it's I almost feel like I'm being gaslit. Like I feel like the like like gaslit. Like I feel like the like like I'm the one who's who's a complete idiot
perfectly for me and I didn't know that putting it in experimental mode and tinkering. >> Yeah. I don't know like where their line is, but in in my opinion, if you want to if you want a year of the Linux desktop,
to go that hard and you want to call it a native game, uh you should be able to click play in Steam and it should just work are going to have on Windows, right? >> Well, that's I mean except when they
don't. And that's really really important to acknowledge in all this something critical about >> Linux or people will feel like I'm because I'll say something like I launched Left 4 Dead 2 and within about
30 to 60 seconds it would crash every single time I launched it and they'll be that's a personal attack on them. They're like well what about all the we're not talking about Windows. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Yeah.
to criticize Windows. You want to watch me criticize Windows? Do you want to do a Windows criticism Wan show? I'm sure you're down. >> Yeah, I'm I'm going to chime into this one.
[laughter] >> We got to include >> Microsoft. remember. Yeah, it was on the forum. It was on LT forum that Elijah did that
video recently where he switched to iPhone and someone's like, "Well, you're talking a lot about the issues switching from Android to iOS, but you're not talking about all the issues going from iOS to Android. It's it's so bad." Like,
that. You guys know what's >> because guess what? Elijah didn't switch what that's not what he's [ __ ] doing. Not every video can be about everything. So, this isn't about this isn't about attacks, but it's about me being put in
this position where I feel like I have to I have to like Ivonne always uses like a pendulum analogy when we're talking about like like positions in an argument or we're talking about some kind of conflict where where she'll talk
about how sometimes she feels like because someone else's position is so extreme, even though the truth lies here with the pendulum at rest, She almost is forced to take this position to try to achieve that to bring us back to
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And so when I'm up against this is recognizing it. >> It's like whoa. It can have some flaws. >> Oh, so many. >> So something that I find interesting
>> So something that I find interesting about this is Steam Deck is used by a lot of normies. >> Yeah. And this is Steam Deck verified. Would you need to make like is it different? Would you need to make
had would it have had the same problem? >> That's a good question. And I genuinely >> And if Valve is implementing, so do you know what the fix was? M. >> So, the fix ended up being that I had to force Vulcan,
>> which is a pretty reasonable Linux gaming fix, >> except that, and this is again one of those like how is this a thing, right? This is a first party Valve game. They literally make a Linux distro is not
even available in the in-game menu. >> Mhm. it. >> Yeah. So, I So, I typed in a thing. I switched over to Vulcan and then lo and behold,
over to Vulcan and then lo and behold, I've got a clip here of me gaming for I think over Yeah. over five continuous minutes and it just completely working. Bang, bang, bang. Kill all the zombies running at 300 FPS.
>> Um, but that's not what Buddy said. Buddy said no tinkering. And also, his fix was different from mine. [laughter]
Linus keeps picking non- beginner friendly dros. As far as my understanding goes Pop OS is widely known as a fairly beginner friendly dro. >> That's literally why people keep recommending it. It's also friendly for
people who are on Nvidia graphics >> which and I had someone ask this in the >> which and I had someone ask this in the chat just now which I wasn't. But what I wanted was to use the same DRO across my multiple systems.
>> Okay. >> My main desktop at home is Radeon. My >> Yeah. >> Uh, sorry. I had my main desktop, not and you kind of pointed this direction. It kind of seemed like it was I had my
desktop at the LAN. I also had this. Uh, so my my my main desktop and my laptop are both Radeon, but my my downstairs gaming machine is GeForce and so is the I've actually been doing more of my gaming. And so what I really wanted, and
that's one of the special sauce things with Pop OS, is that it's out of the box >> Yeah. And so, so yes, I I I I I did pick a DRO because
I wanted it to be more like non Linux hardware optimized friendly, but that wasn't what I was using. I was using the Radeon build and I I installed it onto a Ryzen Radeon all AMD all the time system. So, there should have been no
real challenge there. But the challenges just kept on coming. Um, I showed Luke another clip earlier, so I don't have to show it to him now, >> so that's the second game that I tried to play. Uh, he sees the character
moving around on screen. It's running at, you know, I didn't I didn't install >> Felt pretty solid, though. >> Yeah, it it was smooth. It was smooth. It felt good. Um, and then and then I scrolled down and you can see my mouse
hand going like this. And I go back up and you can see that the mouse look is not working at all. What I never showed Luke is some of the troubleshooting steps that I went through to try to resolve that. So I tried rebinding mouse
resolve that. So I tried rebinding mouse look. And if I bound look up to instead of mouse movement to like left click, I could totally look up. >> So it was capturing the mouse. >> So it was perfectly capable of getting
definitely working. Yeah. >> It was perfectly capable of tilting the camera up. >> Weird. But the actual mouse movement was not being registered. My controller worked perfectly though. So this was for
>> Mhm. >> And so I was like, "Well, I guess I'm >> Do that at least. Yeah. I Man, I hate shooters on a controller, but yeah, it >> Also, did I did I point out to you the weird border on the top and the left?
>> Oh, >> the weird like two pixel wide white >> Yeah. I I I never figured that one out. >> Just top and left. >> Strange. >> Um the most fun one though is the one
that I'm going to show to you guys. And that's this issue where my uh here. Oh, uh producer Dan is gone. So, we're going to do this the super janky way. [laughter]
>> Do you want me to switch cameras? Oh, no. You're just going to do the front >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh, I think >> Okay. Uh, I think >> Oh, no. [laughter]
don't know how you would even make this happen because it's not only that don't even know. Maybe you can do that in Steam, maybe you can't. Um, but it's also that they're all do they're all doing the inputs, but they're not
that he's actively selected on shows the menu, but when he scrolls, they all >> It's so strange. >> Did you see? Did you see that, though? >> Yeah. So, this part they're not going to be able to hear you, but um as he moves
his mouse over to the other window, it's still navigating in the previous one. It's a little hard to see, but like man, it's it's it's [laughter] strange. >> It's uh it's very weird. We can still
think you'd be able. I yell loud enough, they kind of can. >> I guess Dan's mic is there, too. >> Um, so I've never seen that before. either. And like, you know, you can you can in a lot of different things. You
can make multiple versions of it come up. Um, but usually they don't all >> Steam, it shouldn't be. >> I've never wanted to. >> I've never tried.
>> Uh, >> but like you can with No. Okay. you can with a decent amount of other things. >> And so I'm gonna have a lot of people, as often happens whenever I say anything critical of Linux, I'm gonna have a lot
of people coming at me for this, assuming that I did something something egregiously wrong. >> So, and I'm not I'm not saying anything. >> Go ahead. Do it. >> Do it. Pre-show viewers will get it.
>> What What do you coward? >> What led up to I'm like, Shia, I'm going to run away from the press. And I'm like, do [laughter] >> just just what what I know. I'm not saying anything. What steps led up to
launched the computer and it was just there or did you come out of a game or like what? >> Uh oh, it's hard to say. So, what would I have been doing at this point? I was playing Hell Divers.
>> So, you're in the game and then you I assume you close the game and then it's doing that. >> I Oh, shoot. Okay. Don't quote me on this, but I think it was when I like remaximize it or something like that. I'
don't. >> When you remaximize the Steam window. minimize it, um, it goes >> People are saying you can have multiple surprised. >> Also, wasn't multiple windows.
>> No. And and to do that, I'm assuming you'd have to like launch launch whatever. >> I'd probably have to do something. Yeah, normally. I've never I don't know if Steam's on here, but I I've never
Steam open. >> I don't know. This is one of those dude. This is one of those things where it's just like um [sighs]
don't blame don't blame blanket Linux, blame pop OS or yourself. And it's like >> unfortunately this is one of the challenges that Linux has with wide challenges that Linux has with wide adoption is that and and oh man it's
it's both the most beautiful incredible thing about open source and it's also the biggest problem that it has to overcome is that you can find you can find a flavor for for anything. Like was it you that I was talking to when I said
could have a distro of Linux that's for like gamers who hate My Little Pony or something like that or no I I think I were like really and I was like I [laughter] was like no and they're like
oh yeah that makes sense that would be stupid but like the fact that I believed actually. >> Yeah maybe that was you is is so emblematic of the problem here. so much fragmentation and like one of one of the
things is you can say [sighs] >> people know it as Linux >> even that in itself is flawed. >> So like so like even even that statement alone has problems.
>> Yeah. >> Right. So, so to assume that people are going to always prop exactly properly address the thing that might be causing address the thing that might be causing the issue is like obviously a fallacy.
people are going to just blanket call it Linux because they've been blanket calling the whole thing Linux for a long time. Um, Grelling says, "Demo OS is not intended to be a wide release. It's an OS for boutique hardware." Not actually
true. Uh, Val, well, at least not originally true. When Valve announced Steam OS and the Steam Deck, they announced their intention at some point to make Steam OS an OS that you could you could download and install on your
own hardware. In fact, you can do it today. It just has to be on kind of specific hardware, which is the reason that I ultimately didn't use it because I do have systems that are Nvidia >> and you wanted the same thing across all
of them. And I I wanted to choose something that somebody with Nvidia hardware might choose for ease of use, especially cuz my plan is to install it across multiple systems, which I haven't actually done yet because it's been such
actually done yet because it's been such a pain in the butt. Um, actually know if there's anything else in here. Uh, here's the here's the weird
Steam interface bug, but just two windows. This time, this was the first >> So, I actually encountered this multiple times, >> which is pretty wild. I can interact with both of them, but if I mouse over
the other one. >> Yeah, cuz like if if it was just properly two instances of Steam, that shouldn't be happening. So, what what windows in two completely different areas. He moves his mouse on one.
>> It interacts with the other one. >> Yeah. [laughter] It's whack. >> So, my mouse cursor is over here. And then you can see the menus on the window on the right actually moving.
the whole interface is just gone. It's just a black box. >> Uh yeah, that is weird. You can kind of see it like faintly in the background. Uh someone said, "Did Luke go with Mint?" No. Um I decided to mix it up. I
I still really like Mint. I actually genuinely thought like, you know, maybe I should go back to like old faithful. I don't really actually use Linux all that much, but uh that tends to be the one that I go to when I when I do use Linux,
currently installed on my laptop because we're trying to figure out a hardware problem and they they didn't believe in Linux. So, we have Windows running on it right now. But um I had been running just Arch on my laptop for a long time
to try to prove like look if you're not doing much on your system. You can kind of run whatever and my entire use case for my work laptop is basically in a browser. So I was like it's not going to matter and yeah it didn't really matter.
Um so and and my my basically point there was like I'm not interacting with the operating system basically ever. Like I I don't I didn't do anything very interesting with Arch. Um, I was I'm just running two browsers, Firefox and
>> On Arch, by the way. >> So, like, so that was that was why I did that on my laptop. So, I thought maybe I would try to extend that idea into the desktop space, but I didn't want to just use Arch again. Um, so I went with
Cachio OS. And that's not the only reason. So, Cachio OS is built on built The other reason why I did it was because Steam OS is built on Arch. >> So, I was like, "Okay, what's a what's a like gamer version of Arch?" Because I'm
going to play games here. I'm going to do other stuff here. I don't want to because I'm actually going to do more with it. The point isn't the same now, browser. >> And that's the beauty of Linux horses
for courses. you can choose a different dro depending on what exactly it is that >> So now I'm trying to accomplish more. I'm trying to do more gaming stuff. Cash us uh their tagline is a performance focused Arch Linux distribution that
rebuilds packages with modern CPU optimizations. I don't know. I heard it's good for gaming and it's Arch. And by the way, >> I did that on my laptop [laughter] and and uh and Steam OS is built in it. So,
kind I don't know, maybe things will work better through Steam there. I I have no idea. I didn't do a lot of research. Like, this is the more gamey lately. I'll just do that. >> Super trendy.
>> It It hyper trendy. >> Maybe. Yeah. Maybe a third reason. >> It's super trendy right now. Is actually one of the reasons why I chose it. So, one of the reasons why I chose it. So, so same core as Steam OS. It's super
thing that I'm using on my on my laptop anyway. So, there's some familiarity. >> So, I'm going to jump in and go the hyper trendiness of it is actually the >> Fair enough. >> Because this kind of like flavor of the
>> hyper trendy. >> It's weird. People have mostly forgotten >> That's crazy. >> That's wild to me. >> That's not the kind of thing that I like to lock myself into. Like whenever we
whenever we do any kind of actual benchmarking or performance testing, Ubuntu >> it's just it's just there, [clears throat] you know? It might not
have the sex appeal, >> but it's there. It's been there. It's been there for us. It's it's it's the it's the if you want to look at if you it's the if you want to look at if you want to zoom way out over time, it's the
knows about a bunch of people are saying not trying to say basite isn't cool. What we're trying to say, here. >> Roughly 6 months ago, if you discussed
>> Basite Bite Bite, >> you would get screamed at. And that is >> you would get screamed at. And that is already no longer true. And now a lot of people are saying cashy, cashy, cashy. Uh, that's not that's definitely the
I did I was interested in checking it out. Um, and I will say for the more involved experience, cuz again, I didn't get this on my laptop, there are things I miss about Mint. >> Cash is cool. It's been fine. I haven't
>> Nice. Good for you. >> Happy [laughter] for you. on doing that I suspect might cause some problems. So, we'll see how that goes. only a few days into this, >> right?
ton on it. So, we'll we'll see how it goes. >> Didn't take me doing a ton. [laughter] All I had to do was launch a first party All I had to do was launch a first party Valve game in Steam. [laughter]
>> Oh yeah, I didn't even talk about those audio issues I had in Discord. >> everyone's audio was so quiet I could barely hear them. >> A reboot just sort of magically >> I did have I did have some weird there's
sent in. >> Yeah. this while I was recording it, but after I played it back, it's like a little laggy. that was happening in when I was like watching videos and a couple other
>> I noticed it when I was watching a YouTube video that the YouTube video >> Oh, >> I hadn't restarted the system literally acceleration issue or something. >> No idea. Restarted the system one time
problem in a way. And I had done that recording before the system restart. So I, you know, one restart after doing some updates and stuff, not a big deal. Um, but that's that's the only thing I've really ran into so far. Like I
don't love the like package manager. You mentioned how like oh I found the pop >> was just the bottom left icon. It was like right there. The name was like it's like they were trying to not call it app store. They were they were so
desperately trying to call it anything but App Store so that they wouldn't have to call it App Store that they ended up with a name that just I I forget what it is but it just like was not that obvious to me. Uh, but yeah, it's so like I'm
store at some point because like I don't love the default one. It works. Uh, I've I've looked for that weren't there. >> No, it's called Hold on. Hold on. Jump in. It's called Pop Shop, which is a perfectly reasonable name. Okay. When it
when I mouse over it, it was called something. It was called I swear it was Pop Shop. I have no idea. >> Charge Nuclei says it's not an app store. Yeah, I know. But sometimes we use words for things like ATM machine.
It's not an ATM machine because the machine is the M and the Yeah, but like people understand what they are and what their function is. people spamming me right now. Use this thing. Use that thing. I'm sorry. I'm
not going to listen. Uh I'm I'm just going to do stuff and we'll see how it works. Um if I run into a problem, I'll Google it. I'll I'll look it up in some other way. I'll I'll consult the sands. I'll do whatever. Um, but I don't want
to go based on like chat recommendations because that doesn't seem like a normal So, I'm I'm literally just going to brain dump everything you guys tell me. on a forum or whatever, I'll take information from there, but I I don't
want to use it on alternate route. And I'm also not having problems really. I just don't love it. It doesn't seem great like the package manager, but I can get a new one. Uh, not a problem. I'm not too worried about
it. Um, yeah. Other than that like no major no major issues. I felt Mint was very comfy for me and I am now I would say slightly
outside of the comfort zone desktop environment that I really didn't stretch for. I just went with Cinnamon which is the one that I'm most used to. Um, I did also install um, Hyperland
just in case I want to go have fun, but I'm very used to Cinnamon and I'm happy to be with it. Someone said go with Budgie. I saw that because the name I thought it might be fun, but yeah. Wait, you can use Cinnamon with Arch. Yeah.
Yeah, I have Cinnamon installed on on both laptop and desktop, I think. Good reason why I didn't only install Hyperland. [laughter] Uh, I don't know that I'll ever touch Hyperland. Um,
to it. >> Apparently, it's called the Cosmic >> Apparently, it's called the Cosmic Cosmic Store. So, it's uh I is it is it this one? I think it's this one. When I moused over it, it wasn't it wasn't
super obvious, so I forget what comes up. Does it just say cosmic? I'm I'm actually not sure. So, don't quote don't quote me on any of that. Uh, Cosmic Store. Another another thing I'll say is like
address this every time and and I think there is a subset of Linux mega nerds that actually don't want the year of Linux desktop to be a thing. Linux desktop to be a thing. >> I know then it would be not like
>> cool. Yes, exactly. I think that is a subset. Probably not that big of a subset, but I do think that is a subset of people, but um man, yeah, there's and I don't know, maybe people should RTFM a little more
but like I'll come across a Reddit thread where somebody's like, "Oh, how do I do this thing in like an archbased dro?" And instead of just like, oh, answer because the question you asked is like not that deep, there will be like a
seven paragraph thing about how you're a freaking idiot and you should never back to Windows, you tiny little ins insignificant baby. And it's like, dude, insignificant baby. And it's like, dude, relax. Like, oh my god. I I think it was
like I think the guy was like, "How do I install Steam?" Yeah, it was how do I why I looked that up, which seems really basic, was because I was just stunned it wasn't in the package manager. >> Yeah. I was like, "What?" Like really?
And like I ended I ended up just installing it like I I just Pac-Man it. But like I I was a little bit surprised because like yeah, I'm comfortable enough I can use the command line and stuff, but I kind of the gooey is there.
I kind of like it. It's fine. It's almost like almost like basically everything for 98% of people >> For a reason. >> And it's weird that Steam isn't in
>> And it's weird that Steam isn't in there. Like Steam's pretty normal. >> No, >> Chrome also wasn't in there, but kind of a funny little thing. Uh there might be some other reason for that, but
try Chromium and see how that goes." So, I'm running Chromium instead of Chrome cuz I always I do Firefox for personal stuff, Chrome for work. I've always done that. I the separation actually at this point is like very fluent. Not doing
>> Like if I did personal stuff in Chrome or work stuff in Firefox, it would probably feel very odd. Um, so like, okay, I've got my two, everything's okay, I've got my two, everything's fine. Um, Teams is like a problem. Have
>> I haven't installed Teams yet. >> Oh, I like [sighs] Man, it sucks. There's there's no like official Microsoft. >> There was a long time ago. I think maybe the first time we did the challenge
>> I think I think it was I think we were right on it was it still existed but the something. >> Don't don't quote me on that, but I remember us I remember it being a thing. >> We definitely discussed it at the time.
>> We definitely discussed it at the time. >> Mhm. Yeah. Uh teams is the reason Luke will go postal. It's already annoying. um like I I had a meeting. So how how our meetings tend to work is you get a team's meeting that is
click on that and then it brings you into the meeting. It's not in my opinion it's it's really whack. Guys, stop telling me to try things. I'm not going to listen to you. I've already said that. You can stop. I'm legitimately not
you tell me. >> That is the most wrong thing you've ever said. [laughter] You said you can stop. They can't. They actually can't stop. They can't. They actually can't stop. >> They're addicted to the shindig.
[laughter] >> Um, but okay. So, I I in in Windows it like, "Oh, you have Teams installed. Do you want to just open this with your every time I would prefer to do that. Thank you." Um, I don't think bec
because it's maybe because it's an unofficial app. Maybe there's some way I can link the two. I'm sure there is. I haven't done the work to do that yet. Right now, it really only wants to open in the browser. So, the first call that
answered in the browser and then it was like a little whack and I was like, "Hey, can I just call you through the app?" And then we did and I click call on the app and then I think it doesn't work and like 15 seconds later the call
like, "Okay." So, like the biggest problem I've had so far is just teams. Um, which is kind of funny cuz Discord right. >> I'm glad yours was.
Yeah. No problem. Congratulations. Uh, so Discord and Slack both worked immediately with no no issues. But yeah, Teams was a problem, but it seemed very centralized to to to Teams. Um, >> yeah.
>> Rest assured says in chat, you were on Cosmic. Is that five question marks? That's in beta. Still borderline alpha. I don't know, brother. I just downloaded whatever was on system 76's website. I Yeah,
I I don't know, dude. It >> says It just says now with Cosmic. the rules, man. Maybe maybe what I managed to do maybe what I managed to do
managed to do maybe what I managed to do was catch them at a bad time again. [laughter] Wouldn't that be just the way >> Cosmic is borked? Cosmic is not new. Cosmic is 1.0 now. See,
>> to me 1.0 means new and [clears throat] pre 1.0 means not even new yet. Like to me to me 1.0 know is the infant baby. worthless. You ask that infant baby to
shovel the snow in the driveway. Useless. Infant baby. >> It out there. It doesn't even move. >> Anything before that is in womb. So wouldn't have gone pop. But now I'm going to at least I'm going to at least
give it a shot. I'm gonna Well, I feel like I've given it a shot. Oh, I don't want to change it. It's such a [laughter] I feel if if changing your operating system is not your hobby,
proposition. And I think that's something a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their brain around. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Changing my OS is not my hobby. Redoing the plumbing in my computer.
>> More you like the hardware. >> I could be I could be convinced to do clean out my blocks. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I will say like it's >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I will say like it's been fine, but it has been like Oh,
right. I have to install that thing. Okay. Oh, I'm not logged in on all of the different things. That's annoying. Huh? Slack's been quiet today. Oh, yeah. I don't have that installed yet. Crap. That's why it's been quiet today. Oh,
[laughter] no. Then install that and then Oh, everything's fine. Okay, cool. And like it's >> uh Yeah. And I think it's I think it's one of those things where like it all depends on you know what your baggage
>> I hate logging into things. I feel like half of my life is logging into things half of my life is logging into things because I do so many disperate tasks in because I do so many disperate tasks in so many disperate platforms that like
almost anytime I get interrupted and I have to do anything, I'm logging in again and fetching a two-factor thing again and then going and remote desktoping into some other thing to retrieve some other token that I need to
like there's always I'm always logging into something. So if you tell me, hey, guess what, Lionus? There's this trendy new Linux distro. All you have to do is >> Not interesting. >> The conversation's [laughter] actually
over now. That went from fun and interesting to kill it with fire >> with that with with that fast. >> Yeah, I I I do I will say I really appreciate actually the login methods
for Discord and Steam these days. the QR coding from your phone, >> is oh, it was pretty fast for me. >> I I didn't even open those specific apps. I just opened my camera. The camera used the link to open that app to
the screen where it did the scan thing and then I just was like, "Oh, okay. it just logged me in instantly. I didn't do anything. It was amazing for me. I maybe it's just >> Oh, well that the friction of taking
of annoying. >> That's an example of how many damn times you have to log into things. I dude, I have like very rarely logged in my >> I have way too many of my passwords memorized now, just because it's faster
than typing in my master password and then going and getting my two factor and then going and getting my two factor and then doing my single sign on. >> They promised us that pass keys were going to remove the friction.
everything magically better. >> Well, and then it got hyper paywalled. Single sign on getting hyper paywalled is like one of the worst things that have happened to modern computing in my opinion. Um, yeah. I don't know. Right
now, I need something stronger. >> I haven't ran into anything that would make me run back to Windows. I have only been using it for a little bit and I >> Yeah. The Indiana Jones game hasn't come out. You know
>> exactly. I'm gonna hit a hard wall where it's it's an anti-cheat thing or something like that and I just can't run it on this system and I'm going to go on. >> You'll hit the exact same that I did at
>> There's seven people waiting in a lobby for me. [ __ ] around with my special snowflake Linux while everyone else is sitting Linux while everyone else is sitting here going, "Okay, so what? Because of
need to make an entirely new meal for you and play the game that you can play. >> That sucks. Yeah. >> And that happens. You can you maybe you
have a super happy Funtime uh friend group that you've been with for forever that's great, but that does actually happen. Even if it doesn't and they're doesn't cause friction. >> Yeah.
>> and it might happen slow. >> I mean, there's a there's someone and I this is someone that I like very much and enjoy as a person, but there's someone who kind of stopped getting
someone who kind of stopped getting gaming invites from us gaming invites from us because it was very high friction.
>> which it's a bit of a tell, >> which narrows things down a little.
But between audio problems and just general connection stability and [laughter] you know just
>> Oh man, that's pretty funny. Um >> Oh, who' you think I was talking about? >> I'm just kidding. I know who you thought I was talking about. [laughter]
>> I was going to say there's another one. [laughter] lately. >> I don't like that. [sighs] >> It happens, man. It happens, man. Mr. Tech problems.
>> Mr. Tech's got a lot of tech problems. >> I'm late for a Left 4 DEAD LOBBY ONE sometimes it takes you an hour to be set up. up. >> Listen. Listen.
Oh, sorry. Sorry, I have to update I have to update the transversal auxiliary wave pump in my 14th computer in my seventh room so that I can play in the in my theater room. But never mind, that's not going to work cuz little man
going to play in the upstairs and then my thing isn't going to work and I'll can't play cuz Ivon needs some help. I'll be back in 20 minutes. actually this these other people. What if we just what if we what if everyone just
way? Oh, wait. That doesn't work. Never mind. We'll do this other thing. >> Okay. You've kind of touched on a number of issues. I have a very troubleshooting oriented personality type. I I get I get fixated on a goal and sometimes my goal
is something like we need to play 5v5. >> Yeah. And then you have issues with like X input barely even supports it >> or like the remote software like Steam remote uh what what is it remote play together doesn't support that many
controllers but but Parseek does and you and you make your way down these all So that's that's one of the personality issues that you've identified. Thank you issues that you've identified. Thank you very much. Um another one is the
in various states of setup. Yes. Okay. That's a reflection of my fragmented mind. Sure. Okay, let's go with that for personality flaw number two. The last personality flaw number two. The last one is actually um this one comes up a
don't really talk to you guys about as much, but comes up more often than the other ones, but sometimes I will go such a long period of time between gaming >> everything's out of date, >> everything is demanding updates.
>> Yeah. And that is such an annoying thing about modern gaming that even with a fast internet connection, I need to be seated at my computer if I haven't played in a couple months. So there could be like a major patch on the game
or there could be like a game ready driver or you know whatever, right? >> or or like just your crap all logs you out because you know how things spontaneously log you out now.
your computer 20 minutes ahead of time in order to make your game date. It's like at that point I might as well drive to someone's house and we can just plug in controllers and play Xbox One >> honestly. Yeah.
>> Not one. The first one [laughter] >> where you just put the disc in it and >> You just needler each other until everyone's just angry, you know? Like it
honestly just sounds more fun at that point. Swords, shotguns, Halo 2, >> the map where there's the the ramps and the towers and the blue boingy thing. >> Heck yeah, dude. Heck. No, but in all actuality, we just haven't been playing
very much. Life's been busy. >> Yeah, I hear you. >> But like every time I go to Smash Champs, every time without fail, someone says, "Hey, you're back." And like I do go there once in a while,
but I'm not attending like I had been. Like I played ladder last night >> Oh, you mean for for bminton? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I sorry you said when I go >> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. >> Yeah. Um so I'm just like I'm not like
I'm not seeing members of the community nearly as much as they're like used they think it's been open for a year? >> It's pretty wild. >> How crazy is that? >> It was fun having all the land attendees
look through the doors and just go like whoa. It went the other way too. >> "What the heck is going on? >> What is this?" [laughter] Cuz I was actually playing in the morning of the Saturday. So I was I was playing
>> uh from 9 to 11 with a group that came could just like meet another time and play cuz they were up for a couple of them had a birthday or something. So they came up. They did the new go-kart
yet. Have you been? But like twole one. It looks awesome. >> I didn't know we had a two-level one. Yeah, it it just like they they were closed for renovations for like ever and I want to go. Maybe we should Oh, it's
Summer's coming up. >> That would be sweet. Speeders. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think it's that one. >> Multi-level tracks. Yeah. Here. Here. Here. Luke laptop. Endless ways to play.
>> Oh, look. Yeah, they're they're go This is clearly them going up. Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Yeah, I know. >> They have laser tag and stuff, too. Is this the new like Castle Fun Park?
there for a long time, but they rent >> like the, you know, they have laser tag, they have bowling, they have darts, they have mini golf. Like Park. >> Yeah, they flooded again.
>> bro. >> I feel so bad for them. >> It's got to be really If you visit up here and like need a thing to do some for work or whatever. Castle Fun Park is genuinely a really good time.
>> It's a bit out of the way. And they've had like nature trying to tear them underground experiences like they had this really cool actually underground
mini golf and stuff and their place got flooded and those underground areas got >> How could Abbottzford be subject to so many acts of god? >> It's right in the name. [laughter] It's the fort of Abbotts.
>> Um but yeah, check this out. like, uh, oh, right. So, yeah. So, I was playing with the badminton people and like multiple of the the group that came up was like, what is that? [laughter] And I'm like, oh, well, it's like it's a
land like for gaming. They're like, oh, like esports. I'm like, yeah, kind of the people at the land and pretty much everyone was bad. >> Yeah, yeah, kind of. [laughter] Um, >> no offense. I'm including myself in that
to be clear. But yeah, like uh dude, we on the badminton side, we've been open like right now. >> That's really cool. >> Like this is this is crazy. Like kind of you can Yeah, you can kind of see it.
But like we kind of accidentally like a whole like business and it's it's funny, there's people waiting on the side right now. You could see everyone like waiting off court. You people who don't like understand um the sport and the
popularity of the sport. Uh there were so many comments on the initial videos >> Dude, those courts were like very active until like 3:00, 4 in the morning during
whale. Like I I would go kind of poke my head over every once in a while and then even outside of those hours, but like I kind of stopped. >> The late night stuff I think was mostly LMG people. I was goofing around with
them for a bit and like Ivonne was over there. Uh I think like a bunch of the >> people are still using it. But yeah, like it's um I don't know. Yeah, there were a lot of just like this is this is so incredibly stupid. This will never be
a viable business. It's like guys, people need stuff to do. >> Yeah, >> give me some third places. And no third places that aren't $100 every half hour.
>> I had uh I I had never heard the term before until I was chatting with um with Sherrod. >> Third place. Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh and he was just he was just talking about like the lack of of third
places and I'd actually like I don't know you know how I am like someone will oh like like what would be the opportunity to like to fix this and so I um I was so I was this was actually uh on our China trip and I was
on our China trip and I was brainstorming with Sherrod this idea for brainstorming with Sherrod this idea for um third place inc there's there's some pretty cool ideas. I I couldn't afford to do it here cuz
it's just like kind of crazy. But the idea the basic idea behind it is you want it to remove you want to remove the decision paralysis of deciding where Like it's kind of the physical equivalent of you know how it's
impossible to decide what to watch because there's so many options whether because there's so many options whether it's on Plex or Netflix and Yeah. Exact it's on Plex or Netflix and Yeah. Exact exactly that. So you go on like I'm we
must have all been there. You you're everyone's hungry. You fire up Google Maps and there's just a zillion options. So the idea is that with Third Place, Inc. you remove that friction. You just go
there. So it would like have programming or events, but none of them would be posted online. And maybe the bulletin board literally like I had this idea of having like um like like a door peepphole style lens so you can like
and you can you can like see what's going on today but you can't like take a obviously people would people would post discourage it. And so the idea is just that you you uh you just have this kind
of uh this kind of like programming events whether it's like okay tonight at poker it doesn't matter everyone's playing poker tonight. Um flagship of activities that encourage casual coexistence. So uh a music listening
room with a jukebox. Crazy idea. Not a new idea, but the idea being that you don't everyone doesn't just have their headphones in. There's music playing and everyone can take their turn and for you
dollar >> you pick the next song. Um, >> you pick the next song. Um, >> karaoke, billiards, tabletop games. Um, so you don't pay have to pay every time you go there. So, you kind of remove
that friction. You just go, you just go hang out. You'd want to be somewhere one of the things that came up with, okay, how do you deal with unsavory stuff? You know, drug deals, hooking up in the bathrooms, do you do it through a
member's code of conduct? Do you do you count on people to self police? That's that's kind of as far as we got, but like, man, how much would you how much would you enjoy just having a pops chocolate shop,
dated >> that's a that's a reference. >> Dated reference, but >> yeah. No, I think it would be >> like a country club. Remember remember the part about it being affordable
though. That's where the country club thing doesn't really land for most >> But then the the issue with it being affordable is how do you do that >> How do you have that much space in
>> anywhere in British Columbia? >> I mean that's the one part >> That's the one part that most people didn't understand about Smash Champs. Like that's the things that they thought were stupid were not stupid at all. And
the things that almost nobody flagged were very stupid. >> The building. >> Uh yeah, the building itself. Because >> that's been strange to me that if people didn't [laughter] put that together,
>> the number of people mad about us acquiring the tech house, you know, another house >> and like not recognizing that compared to our commercial real estate acquisitions, that's like
>> It's definitely a line item. >> It's for sure a line item. >> Um, but like Yeah. I don't Yeah. Okay. >> I think part of the problem with this problem is just like magnetizing people away from these and and these these
>> Oh, that was Oh, sorry. I didn't I didn't mention that. You you check your >> Oh, no. I meant to get there at all because like get them out of their whatever. There's a video I watched from hopefully I don't pronounce it wrong,
going to like this. No, >> I'll pause this. It's fine. >> Hold that thought. But the idea was that you check your phones at the door, >> but that's okay because at the reception >> you can so you can opt to leave it so
that to to leave it out or to put it in the box and then if you get an emergency call literally you can like call third place or No, sorry. No, that wasn't the like no, there's too many privacy issues. And then the new idea was that
you have a landline at third place >> and then you could you could like you page you like remember when you were trying to reach your parents at work >> and you'd have to call the office and you'd be like scared to talk to the
stranger and be like >> um is can I talk to Mrs. Sebastian like yeah uh can I can I tell her who's calling? Yeah, it's her son. Oh, okay. Okay, little Lionus. Uh yeah, I'll I'll go get her. And then it would be like
>> You could potentially like if you had the phones badged by name, which wouldn't be very hard. I mean, be kind of automatic. I'm assuming you're bagging it somehow with a tag so you
know who to give it to. Um, you could just see the caller ID. If there's no caller ID, who cares? Just let it ring through anyways. But if there's a caller ID, you could be like, "So and so, this caller ID is calling you." And then that
get their phone or not. But that yeah, that's pretty sweet. Uh, but yeah, I watched I watched this video from I think it's Emil, Emil, Emil, sorry, they uh, you should install a cheap computer in your room. And I don't know why I
thought process was like, why why would I possibly want a cheap computer in my good. I don't want to play it cuz you should go watch >> MSN Messenger. [laughter] >> No. Um, I've heard there's still
>> No way. I've I've shut up through the grape vine. Uh but >> their argument was that for them by doing this they might
choose a higher medium and through doing that not doomscroll. They might watch a movie. They might play a game. They might do something. I been a bit since I watch it. Uh go watch it if you're interested. But um I liked
the thought process of just like just something to keep me from doom scrolling. And I think it's the these are such crazy magnets these days. And I >> part of the equation, probably a small part. I think the biggest part is that
freaking money these days. But >> part of the reason why I think third places are disappearing is cuz people just aren't engaging as much cuz they're just vegetating on Netflix all day. they're sucked into something that keeps
they're sucked into something that keeps them at home alone. And it's it's it kind of sucks. I am a person that very very much deeply values my alone time, but I also have to understand that there's kind of too much. And something
listening room. >> Yeah. >> There's these there's these ideas of being alone but amongst people and it is a very different thing than being alone by yourself at home rotting in bed. It
is. It is very different. Even if you're not actively socializing, maybe you're just hanging out in the back of the the music listening room, vibing out, on. Maybe most of the time you're not all that interested in what it is, but
really jive with for some reason, and you ask them about it and figure out who these like little interactions. It can be really healthy, especially, I'm assuming a very high percentage of males are in the audience right now,
especially for us. There's a crazy like we don't socialize with anyone problem going on right now where we all just spend all of our time alone and fighting against that is like a a a valiant thing to do.
>> So this this [clears throat] stage in development um occurs around play. >> I love parallel play >> when a child plays alongside or near others but doesn't play with them. So,
group of kids drawing on their own papers while sitting side by side, focused on their own journeys, but still aware of one another. And it feels like >> No. >> Sometimes parallel play is great.
>> Um, and you were saying like we end up uh we end up alone in our homes. We also end up alone outside of our homes. >> I saw this uh I saw this really interesting >> I see both sides um
ond eyes forward. >> So it was it was kind of a kind of a a a >> Sure. >> Uh talking about how
um how invasive and uncomfortable and almost like borderline aggressive it is if someone approaches them in public when they have their AirPods in. and you know
uh and and I kind of went and they were like you know oh it's you know when you unapproachable and they're like that's the point and I'm like oh man definitely
see both sides because >> it it especially like I'm not a woman >> big surprise shocker >> I know right not a woman >> I would have never known >> but there are definitely aspects of the
being a woman experience that I have witnessed as a as a third party non-woman that would make me really uncomfortable in public. >> Yep. A little bit too much. >> Want to be by yourself today.
and and jog. >> Be left alone. And maybe I'm wearing short shorts because I don't want to wear sweaty leggings that are tied up against my legs, but that's not an invitation to, you know, want to touch
them. You know, >> sure, that makes total sense. Perfectly reasonable. On the other hand, like you go out in public and like like everyone
has their AirPods in. Not literally everyone. And I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic right now, but many people do. And you kind of wonder, well, >> Yeah. >> Before that, and and were there things
about that that were maybe better >> and healthy >> and and maybe healthier? >> Again, I have put the AirPods in and hoped no one would talk to me before. Totally get it. Sometimes mid
conversation I'll even put my AirPod back in hoping that somebody might know, without, >> you know, um, categorizing our community, I will say there are
>> ah, social cues might not be >> many members of the LT community that don't really pick up nonverbal >> body language cues. doesn't always work, but uh >> you know, you try. You try.
>> you know, you try. You try. >> Um and you know what? Like I >> I get that. I'm not offended by it. I'm not upset by it. >> Totally. >> And it really is different.
>> Very different. When I'm getting unwanted attention from a man, something else. >> It's also fascinating. I don't we don't need to go down this chain really. But it's fascinating to me
like >> if I am like attached say my partner right now. >> If I if I'm right if I'm right next to them or my arms around them or holding
hands, if there is some strong indication that I'm with this person, >> it's fine. >> The second I like float out of the >> it changes. And >> it's like First, I need the jealous
>> Well, no. [laughter] If if I'm if I'm >> So, if we're like this, >> it's fine to talk to me. [laughter] >> If he's not next to me, >> that is not my point. That is not my
[laughter] You watch out for that. >> My My point is that like it's it's surprising how palpable and fast the change in attention can be. And like we saw we saw this in New York.
>> I was like I was floated off to the Emma was getting something from a food cart >> and you and I were all kind of more floated off to the side cuz we were >> So she was kind of on her own and some dude came up like pretty close right
behind her and I repositioned and then they left and it was like they left and it was like >> that was fast. It's almost like we're >> Yeah. >> And
everything like you know how every man somehow knows which urinal to stand at? >> Yeah. And it's funny because women will talk about how they like don't get it. That's because you never needed to. That's
because you never needed to. That's because a 100,000 years ago, a million years ago, you weren't marking your territory with this thing, you know? You [laughter] like it's but it's culturally universal.
>> I'm serious. >> Did Did humans mark their territory with >> Humans might not have, but something [laughter] at some point did. We >> there's clearly there's clearly vestigial [laughter]
>> like I don't like I don't want to pee right next to another dude unless we're pretty close. [laughter] >> Do you? >> No. [laughter]
follow. Yeah. >> Like there's there's occasional social like shyness cuz you have your dong out and in your hands and you don't want to shoulderto-shoulder with someone. >> But where's the origin of that? Why do
we have that shyness? >> Would I be shy sitting next to another [laughter] >> Uh yeah, probably not as much. >> I I think >> there's some something coming out of my
butt. He won't like it. [laughter] This might be a hot take, but I think looking. >> But the thing, I mean, you farts smelling >> at the urinal. There's usually a barrier
anyway. So, it's not even about the look. It's not even rational anymore. >> Hot take. If you're a tall dude, there effectively is not a barrier. >> Is and like, you know what? I'm not even trying to be like, I'm tall. You think
there's a barrier for Lucas? [laughter] There ain't no barrier for Lucas. >> This is true. This is very true. >> But what I'm basically saying is like there's things that are that are that are non don't need to be communicated
like kind of understand except the ones that don't. [laughter] that don't. [laughter] >> Um and coming way back around some of uncomfortable to be a woman. >> Yeah.
>> And I don't have to experience that which is great. And unfortunately, AirPods might be limiting our ability to socially interact. And third place would probably would fail for that reason because people people, like I said in
that in that subreddit, they they liked it this way and wanted it this way. And the whole third place, it might end up a a pit of 300 dudes
>> that are all single, >> everyone back in the pile. >> And and you know, it might you might walk in that door walk in that door h and feel a little targeted when 600
eyeballs turn at you all all at once. >> Not to mention the other balls. [laughter] >> Yeah, pretty much. So, yeah. I don't these things. It is it is a tragedy that a lot of these third places are gone,
but I I don't have an answer for it. Um, >> have we done a topic yet? >> One, which I don't even know if we're actually done. >> Oh, I'm done.
>> Um, I don't have a lot to add. Yeah, I think um >> Okay. >> But I'm fine so far. As of right now, everything that I've had to do has me not looking back towards Windows at all.
I fully expect my final conclusion is going to be wanting to go back to Windows because I'm going to run into game compatibility issues. Um, and honestly, maybe because the Teams experience is just so bad and I have to
use Teams, so it just is what it is. Um, >> this is why I never look at YouTube chat. I take the middle urinal. I love that to decide whether or not to go next to you or go into a stall. [laughter]
you or go into a stall. [laughter] Actual monster that feels like uh someone that we knew used to vary their walking speed to be a
bit slower than you just to see how you'd react. Do you know who I'm talking about? I can type it. >> Sure. >> I'm going to type it.
>> I'm going to type it. >> That checks out. [laughter] >> It feel It feels like that type of thing. Just they just It's just the like They just want to see. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Um Ivonne picked up on a tism thing from me that I hadn't realized that I was still doing. Um, so like like years into my relationship, she finally acknowledged it out loud. She's like,
you don't step on cracks, so it makes your it makes your gate really uneven." Um, but it's fine. And I was like, "Oh god, now I'm like hyper aware of this." >> I do stuff like that all the time. >> That's not me doing it on purpose to
it. >> Yeah. I don't think I even sort of hide that. I'll I'll like really dramatically like I'll either on purpose step on all >> I have to force myself to not think about it which makes me think about it a
>> That makes sense. >> And then I just walk with very even >> Super robotic. >> Yeah. She's she's 2 in shorter than me, proportionally longer legs >> compared to their torsos. So our legs
>> And I are exactly the same. >> Yeah. So we So So I can So if I pay attention to it at all, then I uh then I step with her and then I and then I don't have to think about it as much
because if we're attached then I don't have to look down and think about where >> I'm just a child when I walk. I'll I'll jump on all the lines or avoid all the lines. I'll if there's like a little, you know, I don't know what you want to
call it, a little flat bit like stopping the, you know, dirt on a slope or >> Nice. >> Who knows? >> Do whatever. Oh, a puddle. Yeah, totally. That's me for sure.
Whatever. >> Uh, what are we supposed to be doing? >> Some coms. >> Coms and CW. Time for some checkout
messages. So, our end of season sale is extended. You want to fire up lmg.gg/endofseason. We are bumping the sale to 30% off. So, if there's something you've been eyeing for a while, this is probably the moment
to grab it. Um, we are clearing space for what's coming next, which means you can get current season gear at offseason pricing. Um, and then wear it now or stash it for next year. Or you can I mean wait and get other stuff later.
Either way you win, I guess. Uh you can find the sale at lmg.gg/end >> Well, that's the thing about a clearance sale. Y. So, uh if you see something
here that's in your size, you should probably order it now. Don't be don't be [laughter] >> I guess you knew what I was going to say. I I keep I kept meaning to uh request this and then I just kept
really wanted one. >> The last chance sale is also still live. >> The last chance sale is also still live. lg.gg/lastchance. Once these ones hit zero, that's it. Shop the sale before it's gone. We got
the polo shirt. We got the dropout hoodie. Uh we got >> I I like that one. >> Some bundles. Uh there's a lot of really >> right now. Yep. >> So go check that out. Finally, we're
keeping the buy more, save more deal on all of our blank TE's cuz we get it. and just works, it makes sense to grab a couple maybe in a few different colors optimized. You can check it out at lmg.gg/blank
te's. Buy more, save more. The more you buy, the more you save. It's girl math. We know you love it. >> Okay, here you go. Two shirts is 45, three is 60, four is 70, five is 80.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. High quality shirts. >> Yeah. High quality shirts. >> All right. And when you're placing your checkout message. The way these work is you just add something to your cart on
you just add something to your cart on ltstore.com and it will go to producer If you guys are going to throw money at your screen to check to check If you screen to interact with us on the show, we figure you might as well get high
quality merchandise in return. Like say for example the lawsuit hoodie that Luke had out just now. So in the cart you can uh say whether you want your name to appear or not. You can choose a color scheme and
here. [snorts] You go ahead and place your order and it'll go to Dan who will reply to it or who will uh forward it internally or who will just kind of pop it up, you know, somewhere or who will curate it for me and Luke on the show.
ones, Dan? >> Yeah, sure. We got a bunch here already. Last week, you talked about Apple headphones on Android with updates. What's your take on Samsung only supporting 3D spatial audio on its own
headphones? I use Sony and it has no support for it. >> Samsung's fault. >> Generally speaking, vendor lock is not >> Generally speaking, vendor lock is not something that I'm a huge fan of.
However, 3D spatial audio, are we talking the kind where it knows where it is relative to the position of your device? Do we know that this is Samsung's fault or is this something that they specifically had to build for
like on their hardware in order to make it work? I I legitimately don't know. >> My new pair of headphones has 3D spatial audio like you've described and it works with literally anything. >> Okay. But is that because they did a
Samsung specifically I guess what I'm asking is did Samsung specifically lock it out or did they wonder just not put in the work? >> that I don't know. >> That I don't know. In general though,
no. I I consider that to be a downer. If they are selling these headphones as having 3D spatial audio and it only works on a Samsung phone, it's it's it's
a pretty crummy user experience. I want to be able to I want to be able to mix and match. I don't want to have to buy my next phone from Samsung just because my headphones happen to be from Samsung and I really like 3D spatial audio. I
audio, so it's not a big issue for me, but your mileage may certainly vary on do you like 3D spatial audio? >> I have never used the feature, so no, I
don't. Neat. Okay, [laughter] cool. I mean, I hear don't like it or do you >> I don't use it cuz it's I don't like it. Got it fine with stereo. I did try one that was like 3D in a space that was
that was like 3D in a space that was kind of neat. Like it was kind of more now it's kind of sounds like you're in a good room which is a little different. like a >> that's a type of it but not the like
your head it's coming from speakers. >> Yeah. But that's like a DSP thing. That's like the good oldfashioned EAX. Remember EAX? >> Yeah. We're just regressing. You could you could play around with the EAX
profiles in the in the control station and my music sounds worse. >> Yeah. Right. Like I'd always I'd play around with it for 30 seconds just like that and then I'd be like, "Well, this is stupid. I guess I'll just not use
>> I was like, "Uh, you know, uh, Vapor Wave played in a dead mall from another room and you're having a hallucinatory episode." That kind of genre before that was cool. could have your MP3 player play that.
could have your MP3 player play that. Your MP5 player or whatever. Anyone else? Uh, anyone else? Yeah, chat's not all excited about 3D spatial >> So, if it's vendor locked for a feature that you think is dumb, does that
matter? >> Yeah, it still matters because principle of the thing, you know, >> it's still bad. Yeah. >> H [sighs] Yeah. Like if you have like a
I don't know, you have a a lollipop where if you press a button and it makes it taste like [ __ ] then like >> sure, most people probably don't want that. But if you arbitrarily lock it out to
only iPhone users because you assume [laughter] maybe they just, >> you know, like the taste of corporate dong, then like >> that's not that's not your decision to make for them. They should Android users
Dong, too. >> Yeah, some of them some of them for sure do. I suspect that product would have a very small but extremely dedicated >> I bet it wouldn't be as small as you'd think. [laughter] Maybe, maybe not.
>> Jesus. >> EQ your throat. [laughter]
>> Yeah, give me another. >> Anything. >> No. Uh, Luke, please give us a mini networking infrastructure lesson. Why is running a VPN gold mine? But serving video is a money pit.
pretty good question. >> Are users watching videos on a VPN not just as bandwidth expensive? >> It's just not as um
[sighs] I don't know the [laughter] I I can't remember the the the VPN, but can't remember the the the VPN, but there's a VPN that gives a lot of public this information out on the cost benefit. Um,
>> what's the wind one? Windscribe, >> but Oh, that sounds right. Um, Canada. >> That's No, that sounds right. It was a >> Yeah, Windscribe. >> Windscribe current status. Maybe
>> registered users. This sounds This looks like the right page. Um, maybe there's more information here, but you can Yeah, you can see the network utilization, the current users, and the registered users. and and basically what the effective
and and basically what the effective Oh, is this I feel like there might have been >> more information on this in the past or some other way we got it. But but basically
the the vibe that we got is that it kind of seems like a lot of people turn the VPN on, put the hat on, do some pirate hatw wearing things, and then turn the VPN off and often turn the VPN off pretty
much all the time. The average utilization of VPNs does not seem very >> cuz the the experience of browsing with a VPN sucks. It's just constant captas, >> Yeah. >> And unless you are wearing your tricorn
>> Yeah. the vast majority of the things that you do online. Um, unless you're really really like really trying to avoid anyone, you know, fingerprinting
or or creating an advertising profile for you, which I am not convinced that most people are willing to put in the work to actively willing to put in the work to actively avoid. Yeah. I I just I I I don't see
the I don't see the point of it. If I'm not traveling or like where I need to get around like a great firewall of some sort or if I'm not downloading something I don't have my VPN on. >> Yeah. And that's I think the vast
majority of people and the huge gaps between that allow them to save a lot of between that allow them to save a lot of money. Uh there's also like I think the quality of service is not expected to be super high to be
completely honest. Like if if you're watching a video and the next chunk doesn't show up, you're immediately pissed off. You're immediately messaging support. You're mad. There was a buffer. What are you talking about? It's 2026.
Which is fair enough. But if you're using a VPN and you're torrenting that's a lot of data through torrent, though." Um, because because if people are mostly just pirating stuff, uh, first of all, you're probably not really
downloading anyways, and it's a torrent. You're going to expect a lot of ups and from the VPN, it's probably fine. So, there's like the quality of service expectation is in the dirt, and the amount that people are just not actually
even using the service is in the dirt. There's a ton of people that have >> if you don't have a subscription, by the way, now seems like as good an opportunity as any to uh talk about the really good deal you can get on PIAVPN
do you want to throw the link in the various chats? >> Oh, hey, it's you. I didn't know this was like our own thing. >> Look at him. >> Look at that. Mine is Tech Tips fans.
have to be a fan to save more. You can just click this link. >> That's true. >> Y >> um but yeah, it seems to just be that people's usage of VPNs is really low and
we we talked to a couple people in the industry. We um we poked around. I think different sites that were like very transparent about things. Uh and we were
like, "Oh, wow. People really don't be using this too much compared to the amount of like actually, you know, currently registered users, connected users." It was very interesting to see the connected users versus network
utilization and the registered versus connected users. I I don't remember, but GI Joe reference. Yeah, for some reason PIA in my head just always sounds like GI Joe, but it's PIA. I don't know why. Uh I do that all the time.
COMPUTER. Stop all the download. >> Yeah. See, that's that's what people do something real quick and then they stop using it for a month. Come on, put some games on my computer. [laughter] >> I don't know how I wonder how many
about right now. >> I I only care about the people who get alone with them. >> Bought a massage machine. Go. Uh,
>> thank [laughter] you. >> I just this frame. Anyways, yeah. So, but it it basically what we learned was a lot of people pay >> Yep. A lot of people pay a decent amount for it.
>> And a lot of people don't really use it that much. is actually pretty high. >> Usage is pretty high. Every subscription remember what they call it, but uh people who have subscribed and are
like they don't check their credit card that much and they've just been paying Every service has that. Ours seems to have a lot of active users. I'm not complaining about that at all. It's almost like it's almost like we advocate
for, you know, not wasting your money. >> I would rather you want you to use Flint. I want you to enjoy it. Um, and but VPNs are kind of, it feels like the >> Yeah. I had someone make a comment to me that uh the Smash Champs business model
uh will probably struggle from the people who buy the annual premium membership and play like six, seven days a week. I'm like, bro, no. That's what we want. >> Yeah. We want people here every day. We
want we want this to be a community. >> VPNs are also and I mean I'm not signaling any of them out. And I do think I'm actually talking about PIA. It's way more expensive to subscribe for
longer periods of time. >> So if you This totally makes sense. The business model totally makes sense. But if you didn't use a VPN at all that
month, but you might next month, you don't really want to cancel it. So, a subscriptions, even if they don't use it for four or five months at a time, and where they're like, I'm going to download a ton of stuff and they connect
things overnight or whatever. >> Every Linux ISO, like we're doing the so many Linux. >> I had to download every single Linux ISO >> Yep. >> Of pop OS. [laughter]
>> Um but but yeah, Mulvad has flat flat billing. That's cool. I don't know. Uh >> like some of them are most VPN like Game of Mint has like so many seasons. of Mint has like so many seasons. [laughter]
>> Archerton, >> but uh Arch very nice. Um but but yeah, it's it's very common that people don't want to cancel because ah they might need it or even if say the Mulvad thing where apparently they have flat pricing
which is neat. Um even then you might not want to cancel because yeah you're you need it and you might need it next week or something so I'll just leave it. It's only like five bucks. There's a lot of the I'll just leave it going on with
VPN. I've had an active subscription to PIA in spite of the fact that they're like an affiliate of ours for like 10 years or something like that because >> Yeah. >> Um, Firecat, speaking of convenience,
decided it was more convenient to type this into this into >> chat instead of into a search engine. U, so I saved them the work. Yes, PIA works on Linux.
hard time wrapping my brain around. Um, but there you go. You got your answer but there you go. You got your answer and you got noticed. So, it's double becoming a Linux bro. >> Me?
this out. >> Why didn't you read the just sent a link >> Don't make me pull this out. Don't [laughter] make me pull THIS OUT. >> is this bad now? >> What is this? Is it just not HTTPS?
>> Certificate date invalid. >> O, >> It's probably fine. >> Oh, no. Normally uses encryption. When
Chrome tried to connect to it for you, the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials. Um, you cannot visit it right now. Wait, why is itapp?
>> What the heck just happened? >> Did you get Did you get sponsor linked? >> Is itapp? No, it's not sponsored. Has it always beenapp? always beenapp? Shut up,
dude. It's been years since I've tried to use this. No, this is also >> just let me Google that.
>> Let me Google that.com. I'll share my screen. me Google that for you.com.
Here, hold on. I'm coming back to me for a second here. Also goes to lmgtfy.com and also has the uh certificate invalid issue. Go figure. All right.
if you're not familiar is it just puts up a little cursor and then >> types it for you and then Oh, interesting.
in spite of being whatever G private is. Have you used G private before? >> Heard of G Private? >> What is G private? Are we on Are we on a little side right now? >> Simple unttracked private search.
Google search, but it's 100% private. Learn more. Okay. Take our word for it or like
>> I have no idea. >> Committed to protecting your privacy. Add an affiliate disclosure. James Lacy of the Shopwise group is owner of gprivate.com. Okay. All right, cool.
Here's his postal code. Sure. >> Oh, boy. >> Well, it's right on it's right on the site. It's in the privacy page indeed. >> I I didn't I >> That's probably a PO box.
>> That's probably a PO box. >> Sure. >> Nope. >> Wikipedia has blocked archive. and started removing over 690,000
and started removing over 690,000 archive links from the Pedia. Um, citing security risks and reliability issues. The decision followed reports that archive.tday's operator, this is freaking wild. Like I I've used archive
because I just want to read that one article and I'm sorry I'm not article and I'm sorry I'm not >> I think a lot of people use it for that. >> Yeah, that's a self-decided totally okay. Um, and and I I mean, look,
I actually am not going to argue that that one's okay because a huge part of the decay of the quality of our journalism has been people's >> Yeah. >> But it is pretty tough. when I came
across one article I wanted to read on a site in the last year and this is the first one and I'm just like yeah I don't know I don't think that's going to happen today so archive today sometimes that's what
happens today is something that I have used and looking at this I am now deeply uncomfortable ever using it again let's talk about that the operator embedded
malicious code into capture pages, allegedly using visitors web traffic to help generate a DOS attack against a blog called Gyro Veg, run by Jani
Pocalio, who published research about the background of the operator behind the archive. editors also reported that some archived snapshots this is actually okay we could probably have a really
long conversation about which of these things are worse and I don't think there's a wrong answer [laughter] but I feel on my initial reaction that
this next part is actually worse editors also reported and we're talking >> oh yeah >> that some of the arch ard snapshots on >> that some of the arch ard snapshots on archive.tday were altered, including a
case where the credited author of a blog post was reportedly changed within an archived capture. This combined with an absolutely bonkers
set of threats made from the operator toward Janney Padocalio, including the threat of a Gyroage branded gay dating app, uh, made Wikipedia editors determine that the service posed reputational and security
risks, which when I first read just the subject line of this happening, not in ago, but when I when I read the subject line of this happening, I was like, what? That sucks. And then I read more into it. I was like, whoa, that makes a
lot of sense. [laughter] >> This is really important. >> Yeah, >> they are two different things. So far, the internet archive has has not and that that includes the wayback machine
that that includes the wayback machine has not done anything to make us credibility. That group. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. archive today just completely
obliterated whatever goodwill they might have had because your entire your entire have had because your entire your entire Raison Detra as as an archival um well archive damn it I painted myself into a bit of a corner there
lot of these archive sites have been like amazing for so long like internet >> sorry I didn't finish that sentence but >> sorry I didn't finish that sentence but your entire value is that we trust you
your entire value is that we trust you to to be an accurate record of what we >> Yeah. >> You're supposed to be built on a rockolid foundation of truth and accuracy. That's that's the whole point
is that things are not forgotten and lost and and allowed to be obfiscated or gas lit in the future. So if you're going to do that, you're cooked. >> Yeah. Like Way Back Machine has been used as like hard fact for a long time.
>> And like Yeah. >> And it has to be that. If it's anything now. >> Yeah. >> It's rough. Totally understand the decision and agree with in my opinion,
You can't associate with those things. You can't associate with an archive doesn't work. >> That's crazy. >> Fundamentally doesn't work. Also, like I have no idea if this is the case, but
like I have noticed times when I go to archive a page and it seems like it's archive a page and it seems like it's like doing a lot for a long time. I wonder if my connection was being used for a DOS attack. It says it was in
captions though, but then like uh like have you ever actually tried to submit a >> Okay. It does like a whole bunch of stuff which kind of and I don't I don't
because I've just >> it's just like compressing it out. But what I assume is that it's easier for them to grab the assets >> Assumed so >> rather than you just flag it to them and
would probably get they'd probably get flagged for all the archive requests that they're doing. Uh that's that's my assumption but I really interesting now >> don't know that. Um, but there's been times when it's taken a really long time
for just like a text page and I haven't really fully understood why that would really fully understood why that would be and I wonder if if you know my my be and I wonder if if you know my my upload was used for this in some way. I
>> I don't have a single clue. >> Me neither. Uh, Nicholas Cage asks, "Why would one archive a page?" So, reasons to archive include um logging changes before they happen. So, this has come up a lot recently with the DOJ in the US's
publication of the Epstein files. There's been a lot of there's there's a huge [snorts] tech conversation that somehow we have tech conversation that somehow we have not had around the the Epstein files um
around preservation of data and government censorship and government manipulation of data. Um there's been multiple documented cases where they
have made changes to either the redactions or in some cases by removing data that was originally published in order to make it more difficult to find. Yeah. >> Um
>> I have done some personal archiving but I haven't submitted something for archiving. Like I know there was uh there was a particular video not that long ago that said some particularly disgusting things and I didn't actually
with just like pulling it down or whatever. So I myself download it and I well. >> I think I have that video. >> Yeah. So like uh there are things like that that I've done.
>> But I've it's always been a personal effort. I I haven't submitted for archive anything. Another really good reason is it can just be kind of a fun >> Oh, totally. >> Like going and browsing ncx.com from
>> Like going and browsing ncx.com from 2005 is both fun and also educational. >> ncx.com on the way back machine is wild. >> It's pretty fun. And so being able to see accurate, like definitely accurate, which is again why the trust is so
important. Accurate pricing from back then, being able to call back specs, see how it was marketed, right? That's something that's not going to be captured on an incredible resource like tech powerups uh you know GPU what do
>> index >> um but that won't be captured there you won't see what the retail pricing was you won't see what the product photos looked like uh so so an archived snapshot of the site from that time is
irreplaceable in that way nothing else can do that uh another reason would be to circumvent pay walls I mean I already kind of talked about That is they have kind of talked about That is they have their z their way of downloading the
entire page and then just making that available without any kind of like scroll to uh sign up to keep reading or whatever else. What what >> I'm loading NCX from 2005. >> Oh yeah, baby.
>> Get that Lex Mark Z75 color inkjet printer. Pentium 4. This is man, dude. This is what I'm talking about, though. Like, [laughter] >> People People are so upset about how
expensive tech is. And I'm just like, bro, it's like expensive. >> 512 Megs for 162 bucks. Let's go.
>> HyperX, baby. Get that Corsair Value Select, buddy. That's That's the move. Corsair Value Select. These old Kingston HyperX like blue with the with the
are legendary. >> That ain't nothing compared to my uh my >> One gig. >> Get that platinum super super mirror
silver heat spreader. And that was uh that was back before they were honeycomb to save on material. >> Mushkin still exists. Fun fact. >> I know. They just because of NCX. They don't in my brain.
>> cuz NCX is gone. They were like NCX was like my only portal to Mushkin products. >> How cool would it be if we could bring back NCX.com? I'd still love to do it. >> That'd be pretty sick. There was wayback machine snapshots from 2026. What's
>> on NC of NCX? >> Yeah, let me let me check. >> Oh, no. I think it's still a thing. Didn't someone try to I think someone tried to bring it back. >> January 23rd. There's a snapshot. Ew.
>> Is it just some AI junk? >> E. Oh my god. No. No. Don't look. Don't look. Don't look. Okay. This is crazy. This is This is crazy. Check this out.
what the >> It redirected to this. Oh, it was worse >> That was a U. >> That was a U. >> Oh, wait. Yeah, there it is. [laughter]
>> what? >> I've never heard of this thing. >> I mean, it looks horrible. >> It kind of does. Oh, well, >> it looks absolutely horrible. >> Do you want anime bobs?
>> Do you want anime bobs? >> What if we showed you anime bobs? Can >> have my junk throwaway email. Yeah,
responding right now. >> Please try again later. Cost free. Uh, I mean, I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything, bro.
I didn't say anything, bro. Ask me. Okay. Um, what would Lionus think about being on this site? Uh, any >> Oh my god. >> Enter doesn't send. Ah.
>> Uh, there's one login. It's Keeper. Oh, dude. Keeper on the on the two factor. Enter doesn't confirm it. Really? nuts. >> Weird.
>> Anyway, hold on. I'll increment the counter. [laughter] >> hold up. >> Oh my uh >> Oh gosh. >> Uh, which Lionus are we talking about
here? We well he definitely wouldn't use alarm or emergency light emoji. The Linux kernel daddy Lin tovolts would absolutely hate being on this site if it's any social media cesspool.
>> Dude straight up called Is this trying to like Is this the Is this the way this site thinks I would talk? >> I guess >> a disease that encourages bad behavior
spills energy drinks. >> Wait, but if you mean me, Lionus Sebastian from LT, I'd be like, sponsor block activated, but only if they send a 4090. [laughter]
Torvalds tried plus once cuz it was less mindless, but bailed. So, it goes back to talking about Torvalds again. Ivon's to talking about Torvalds again. Ivon's take. Just use FaceTime boomers.
>> This is >> That's brutal. >> So stupid. >> That's actually just not good. Uh
Uh, I don't know. What is that? Uh, is that is that on here line? Yeah, this is Dude, this is so bad.
Okay, it was just redirecting to the YouTube channel for a bit there. >> It did that like in January. Sorry, I'm still poking around. Okay. >> Oh, like of this year. Yeah, there was there was one day I think it was this
one. >> Let's see. It's on the 23rd. Yeah, >> That's definitely a better place for it to go than this hot garbage. There's a bunch of snapshots in 2025. What was going on here there? This one.
Three snapshots in one day. What was happening? >> Oh, >> or like being for sale or something. Oh,
man. So, does that mean that whoever this chatifi >> Who knows? >> That would be really disappointing because I would I would have loved to buy it and resurrect it, but I just
>> Yeah, there's a buy this domain thing. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, that's a shame. >> Woo. The owner of NCX.com is offering it for sale for an asking price of woo
for sale for an asking price of woo >> $1 million. So, I was aware of that, >> Yeah, screw that. >> It was worth a fraction of that. >> Yeah, there's there's >> like I'm sorry, but it's been way too
for >> Crystal says, "No, it's still for sale >> for a million dollars." Well, >> which me might as well mean it's not. >> Are there services where you can like lease redirecting?
>> So, you find like Yeah. No, that's got to be a thing, right? You find parked >> parked domains that get a little bit >> cuz NCX would for sure get a little bit saying yes. >> Yeah.
Okay. Oh, okay. This this message from Helen Keller 42069 is a little confusing, but saying. [snorts] >> I'm clawing back a charity website for a
client that got turned into a naughty website. Oh, a clawing back aid. So, yeah, a charity website that existed and was a thing and the client who owned it had it turned into a naughty website so that they could just like steal traffic.
That's Yeah. O, that's rough. That's rough. Do y'all own the NCX YouTube channel? No. So, the ownership of all the NCIX intellectual property is
complicated, which is one of the big reasons why we haven't made a real reasons why we haven't made a real serious written offer for it because the serious written offer for it because the original owner of it has a version in
his mind of who owns it. And the creditors um after the bankruptcy have a version in their mind of who owns it and
in their mind of who owns it and they don't necessarily agree and somehow they don't necessarily agree and somehow the domain and trademark and YouTube the domain and trademark and YouTube channel were not resolved at the time of
the bankruptcy. So [snorts] we have in the past So [snorts] we have in the past approached the uh the group that handled the bankruptcy uh on behalf of the creditors and said hey so you guys
didn't like get this so if we buy it do you do you commit not to pretend that it's yours cuz you like never got it? and they're like, "We're not even gonna
look into that." Which basically is a big problem for us. right now. Once you guys make it a very popular domain again, then it will become suddenly interesting for us again. Yeah. So, it's it's untouchable
then. >> So, it kind of it kind of is is doomed >> So, it kind of it kind of is is doomed to rot forever. Um, unless the owner allowed it to lapse maybe and we sniped it, but even then the trademark could be
could be a problem. I I don't even know that for sure. ACX channel that I didn't know. I don't recognize this guy. I don't recognize this guy. >> Oh. Oh, shoot. Um,
>> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Is that Oh, wait. Well, I don't >> Yeah. No, no. >> I mean, he's someone's brother probably like statistically speaking. [laughter] >> Um, if anyone
>> Yeah. >> I want >> I want >> Hold on.
end there. Makes sense. So, we kind of had a lot going on. had a lot going on. >> Oh, here we go. Uh, his name is Barrett. >> Got it.
Yeah, he's Luke's brother. >> Yeah. >> Cool. Let's go with that. >> Yeah. Long lost. >> Oh, really? >> Really nice guy. Yeah.
>> Cool. >> Uh, float plane announcement. Couldn't come to Whaleland. Well, guess what? We released a vlog featuring what? We released a vlog featuring Sammy's very first LAN experiencing.
Here's the vlog. It includes very normal things like a firetruck that's for happening in the back of the firetruck? >> There is a lot of gaming happening in happening elsewhere on the firetruck. I'm not going to spoil the entire
firetruck video, but there's there's a lot of like pretty pretty wild firetruck things that happen that involve gaming and whatnot. Oh, that's not on the firetruck, but Whale land. Whale land is pretty cool. A lot of cool stuff at
Whaleand. You should check out the vlog. Oh, yeah. Floatplane audience is loving dislike ratio. >> Nice. Uh, small cameos from Bringus Studios and Dankpods and Lionus doing the thing. What does that mean?
already. Yep. >> Yeah, >> there it goes. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you for [snorts] Check it out at lmg.ggfpwan.
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what people are really doing. >> So, that's what you do on the show when >> You're doing an ad spot. There's not much for me to do. [laughter] Um, and two things, three things really stood out to me. One, Arc Raiders is
>> Wow. >> Um, that that's absolutely wild. 170,000 >> Well, it's almost like people wanted an extraction shooter that's slightly less [laughter and gasps] >> Yeah. 5M. I was like, what's that even?
I've never heard of that. It's just a like mod thing so people can play GTA online. So, there's still that many people playing GTA online, which is still can't fully tell what this even is.
>> Baku Baku >> dunk dunk. It seems like it just like like things happen. >> Oh, it's a bonsai buddy. >> So they're typing a notepad and it just goes bunk bunk bunk bunk and then it
>> Bonsai Buddy is still a thing all these years later. >> I don't know. But look at this. Overwhelmingly positive reviews. 22,000 >> Uh oh, it's free. >> It's free. Okay,
>> That explains a lot. But are there >> Oh, it's one of those. >> It's banana game. I should just scroll down. I should just scroll down. >> It's just banana game.
Okay. All right. >> Oh, that was a fun side quest. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Donut Labs
based in Finland claims to have made a solidstate EV battery. Oh, they recently announced they've created this holy grail of battery tech after only being >> Wow. >> For those wondering, solid state
batteries, pretty cool. The idea is that they replace the flammable, highly combustible liquid electrolyte used in lithium ion batteries with a solid substance that is capable of higher energy density and faster charging. Uh I
lighter, but I guess that's another way of saying higher energy density. Um historically though they have been very difficult to manufacture. This technology has been researched to pretty much no avail for decades with EV
manufacturers pumping money into it hand over fist. Toyota's advanced battery research for instance has 13.5 billion that's with a B of funding with a focus on solid state. So that's exciting except that there are
So that's exciting except that there are some um skeptics. Doughnut Labs has responded to skepticism with the I do don't believe series where the company is sharing third-party test results with the
independent VTT technical research center of Finland. However, following VTT's fast charge performance test, Zeroth, a YouTuber with a PhD in
electric propulsion, whose master's thesis was about solid state batteries, cast further doubts on the product in his video called Testing the World's his video called Testing the World's First Solidate Battery. I'm not going to
his video because you should really just go watch it. It's a really good video. I >> Yeah, I haven't seen it. I've heard it's fantastic. But there are a few important things to point out. He says that VTT's test results what? Oh, did he actually
say this part? I'm not sure if he said this part, but I I was reading about it and my reading a little bit confused. So, let's not say where I got what. But here's something that's really important.
important. The uh yeah, the uh Yes. So, the technical research center, VTT technical research research center, VTT technical research center says, "We tested the provided
solid state battery from Doughnut Labs." I forget if they like actually put it in quotes or like how they worded it, but basically they worded it in such a way. a thing >> that they're saying what Doughnut Labs
says they sent them, but they are not they have not actually been tasked with >> proving Yeah. that it is in fact solid state and they have not done any destructive testing on it. So in a way
it's it's kind of wild. It's like if I It's like if I made a Okay, let's say It's like if I made a Okay, let's say that LTT's true cables. Let's say they were crap hypothetically, >> but I called them true spec cable and
then I sent them to some third party validation lab and had them test something like kind of unrelated to the speed they run at, for instance. >> And I was like, "Yeah, you guys can test the the bending radius
>> voltage drop." And then if that test lab were to say, "We tested LT Truepec cables and found that the bend radius is this much." It's kind of like credibility washing. >> Mhm.
>> For sure. >> In a way. Um because VTT never actually says it's a solid state battery, but they like tested the doughut solid state up in my reading or whether that was in the video, but that was that was pretty
important. Um, he also found that the voltage curve and fast charging graphs voltage curve and fast charging graphs looked very close to a lithium ion cell, um, also found that while the energy density actually seemed like good, it
wasn't what Donut initially claimed. And then there was something that he brought up that I'm not actually sure if is an actual issue, but that is that uh they reached during their testing they reached a 90° C safety limit and they
to do the charge test again at I think it was like 11 C charging rate. But from my understanding that might be a ZTT safety protocol based on other battery chemistries. So that might not actually
mean that they were sure that this thing was going to combust. Sure. But if Zeroth is right that this thing seems to just actually be like maybe a good one, but just a lithium cell of some sort, then VTT was very smart to have their
safety testing protocol cuz theoretically uh Donut Labs claimed that using quotes here, uh had an operating temperature that was safe of up to 100° temperature that was safe of up to 100° C. So, um, or something like or maybe
more. I can't remember, but more than 90 was what they claimed. Uh, no, not zip tie tuning. Different thing. Different thing. Oh, sorry. Did I say ZTT? VTT. Finland. Um, >> yeah, not zip tie tuning.
>> Um, unrelated to this. >> I um, what would be superbased? Uh, >> they should just bring Xeroth out. I >> think they would I think they would
rather continue to trickle out information so they get to enjoy cuz I about them if it wasn't for their back and forth with the community about the showed up on my radar when they were making fantastical claims about this
>> C. Yeah, they're clearly riding this. But and I'm and I'm taking the bait, Luke. I'm taking the bait because it is more I'm taking the bait because it is more important to me to say, "Hey, this thing
that everyone's talking about, hold on a second. There are people who are talking about how maybe we shouldn't be talking about it than it is to not talk about about it than it is to not talk about it." I will la until people like Zeroth
who are genuinely third party and have nothing to do with that company and are way and were able to freely get it on their own are able to check it out >> What's the first product that it's supposed to go in? It's like a
motorcycle or something, right? >> Not sure. Um, >> Not sure. Um, donut labs.
Donut lab motors, batteries. Uh, oh god. Uh, okay. Well, I
>> I mean, if if it is real, that's fantastic. And if it's not, that's not surprising. And uh we'll see how it goes. >> Okay. Apparently I am apparently I'm correct. Wy Giraffe says yes. It's
supposed to go on a motorcycle within a couple of months. That's their claim. >> It's apparently called the Verge motorcycle. motorcycle. Here it is. Oh my god. Just No, that
Here it is. Oh my god. Just No, that like Oh, for crying out loud. Uh, sure. like Oh, for crying out loud. Uh, sure. 600 kometer range in a in an electric motorcycle would be wild. >> Yeah.
>> All of this would be wild if this could ever actually happen. Like what if I try to book a test drive? H whatever. You're not even >> I just don't think I I don't think I'm
ever going to do a I don't think I'm ever going to do a an electric but I just Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't think I'm ever going to do it. think I'm ever going to do it. Um,
>> Uh, what's in the dock? Um, short circuit. >> Sure, fine. even know what happened. I never saw the video,
>> Yeah. >> Earlier this week, one of our channels, Short Circuit, published a video on a water bottle that made some, let's call them, bold health claims. >> Yeah. A type of product we'd talk about
>> Yeah. A type of product we'd talk about on [laughter] my show. We'd like to first and foremost, we'd like to first and foremost thank our community for flagging this and holding us accountable for the um bold claims
I'm going to call them that this bottle was making to their target market. Um, the first time I heard about this was when our former community manager, now he has a different role, but he still talks to the community, um, messaged me
when I was on a ski slope on a class trip going, "Hey, did you know about this video?" And I said, "Excuse me, what the [ __ ] No." Um, from what I'm told in our notes here,
the intention of the video was meant to be a they claim piece, not agreeing or disagreeing with the product, but rather showing it. Um,
showing it. Um, and that clearly didn't come across. and that clearly didn't come across. And me coming into this after the fact, And me coming into this after the fact, I am extremely frustrated at the various
breakdowns that seem like they may have occurred. Uh we are in the process of an investigation. So you won't hear me saying exactly what happened because at postmortem >> not fully confirmed
>> not fully confirmed >> report. What I do know is that um this >> report. What I do know is that um this outcome is not okay because it made from my understanding extremely silly claims
um like health related claims about like health related claims about performing hydrarolysis on water in your performing hydrarolysis on water in your water bottle and whatnot. Um, so in
response to this uh, you know, appropriate flagging of this video from our community, we posted the following statement on both Reddit and on the Short Circuit YouTube channel. Hey everyone, we've removed this short. We
with the level of skepticism it warranted and it was published without going through our normal technical review and leadership approval process. unsubstantiated claims made by this manufacturer and we're taking steps
is consistently followed moving forward. Thanks for holding us accountable. One of the first responses I saw to this on Reddit was what does that even mean? It the normal technical review and leadership approval process. What do you
>> That's Wait, really? Was that actually >> I think it's I think it's pretty obvious [laughter] what that means. Um, it means this is real bad and I found out about it long after the damage was done unfortunately, which is, you
know, it's something that um, >> it's a fact of larger companies. >> Okay. >> There was a time not that long ago. >> Oh, I mean, >> on this
>> internally, of course not. But there was a time not that long ago that the assumption is just that when something goes wrong, you know, Lionus is accountable. >> Um, you know, like even like you want to
go way back to the statement that was made that triggered the whole 2023 drama that I didn't make, >> but the expectation was I apologized for >> What's the What the Oh, >> yeah.
>> like on the tour. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And so, you know, that's something that I flatly reject at this point. I'm sorry. I'm not going to be uh >> as as as a spokesperson for the company. I I can speak on behalf of the company.
>> but I'm not going to fall on but I'm not going to fall on the sword and I'm not going to take I'm not going to take accountability for stuff I didn't do >> Um >> I don't know if that's what people
wanted. I mean, it's a uh I'm talking about. Stay the path says, "Sorry, dude. This company has your name under LT is under you. This is a company you own. This is all you." And that's
not willing to do that anymore. I'm sorry. It's just not going to happen. Um, it's not it's not compatible with me continuing to do this. Let me put it that I feel like I think there's a there's a gap happening right now where
>> I I think stay the path's comment is that like you have to address it and you literally just did address it. You said there was a mistake. You said we're
community for pointing it out. Those things happened. I don't think that things happened. I don't think that they're asking for you to do I don't volleyball player the Japanese volleyball player that like spiked a
>> I did see that he does the dive. >> Yeah. I don't I don't think they're do the apology battle. >> I think you should keep reading chat. >> Before you keep talking. >> I I think it's a an understanding gap on
both sides. But I I will keep reading chat. I'm also looking through I I I Lionus tech tips subreddit is a little tough, but if you do >> space Linus space, it does a little bit better. I got that trick from chat last
>> Um I got that trick from chat last week. It's pretty good. The the comments talking about you individually don't seem to be asking for that. Um >> again, you have to you have to >> Okay, I'll keep looking at the chat.
Um, >> but yeah, just the the the truth of the one of those things where you don't have to like it, but it's just going to be different levels of apology. I think
there's ownership of like, hey, this is my company and my company made a mistake >> Yeah. Sure. >> And and that's one thing that's no issue. I think that's I would like to think I'm still watching chat that that
is what most people are asking for and I think what you're talking about is I personally am personally individually I did this I made this mistake I'm taking think people are generally asking for that.
>> I'm looking for >> um and and it's one of those things where like I said the the bottom line is I'm not going to do it anymore. I I I'm
just you know because there are cases where it really was you know a problem you know in our in our in our in our process right and there are cases where
over the years and it's happened many many times I have explicitly laid out how we need to do it and it hasn't been followed and we made catastrophic errors sword and I'm not going to do it anymore.
some and I've talked to you about this before. My point is that sometimes I think you just do that, but like no one was looking for that or expecting that. someone will point out something on Reddit that is like a particular
>> There's been something with like labs which is now my thing and you've jumped attention to you in association to the problem when you had nothing to do with respond. These are these are these are
my people. These are my things. Um, yeah. Uh, >> I don't know. They they might have shut up because I said stuff, but I'm not per trying to keep up with the chat, but it's moving kind of fast. Uh, but I
haven't really seen a lot of it. >> Yeah, I can find some stuff if you need. >> Yeah, I can find some stuff if you need. >> Sure. I Yeah, it's and whatever. Not doing it. >> Sure. Yep. It's just it's not it's not
like I said, it's not compatible with me continuing to do this. Um, and so, you know, if that means, you know, making changes here, then we're going to make those changes because it's not compatible with me continuing to do this
compatible with me continuing to do this in this form. Um, all right. Giving every kid access to tech in the classroom. Turns out that might have been a mistake. This is rough, dude. Gen Z is the first
generation in history in in in recorded history to score worse on standardized history to score worse on standardized testing than the earlier generation. One leading factor, and I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm reading the
notes for now. One leading factor, as pointed out by neuroscientist Jared Cooney Horvath via TechSpot, seems to be the negative correlation that exists digital devices in school and their academic performance. The more screen
exposure, the poorer the results. For the last two decades, US schools have spent a total of more than 30 billion with a B dollars on laptops and tablets for students. And here's a chart showing how higher in-class computer use is
correlated with significantly lower math and science performance across both and science performance across both highincome and middle inome countries. This is mind-blowing. >> These are pretty big jumps.
>> Now, it is very important to note and this is one of the reasons that I am so opposed and this comes up a lot between me and the labs team. for instance, um me and the labs team. for instance, um that I'm so opposed to nonzero yaxis.
that I'm so opposed to nonzero yaxis. >> Um and I get it. The argument is always, difference to make the graph more readable. And my response is always, if difference, then I guess the difference wasn't so big.
wasn't so big. >> I see both sides. Okay. >> We want to clearly indicate which one is the winner, >> Yeah. >> And in this case, a difference in a
>> And in this case, a difference in a total score of 550 and 500 is like hugely problematic. >> It's It's also weird because the top two the bottom line is actually 480 and the bottom two the bottom line is 470. It's
it's off by 10. And it's also like what what do these represent? like is a what school system or something like what is a 490 is is a 490 a C >> okay that's a completely that's a completely separate issue but ba
basically that's a valid issue >> I mean it's effectively the same issue things >> sure yeah okay yeah it's I [snorts] hate >> sure yeah okay yeah it's I [snorts] hate it when we mess with a yaxis and so I
will often get into it with labs especially around things like FPS FPS FPS graphs where they're like, "No, I really want to I really want to do this." And I basically go and like one of the most famous ones was me and Lucas
of the most famous ones was me and Lucas around um efficiency plotting. >> Um because he rightly showed me >> Oh, yeah. what it would look like at
zero where the efficiency of basically every power supply is pretty much the same. >> And and I was like, okay, well, how about this compromise? We show the like that they're all
basically the same and then we show a zoom in because to me that context of hey they're all basically the same is actually really really important when looking at the difference between 80 plus silver and 80 plus gold we really
are just kind of splitting hairs here. It's it's not that big of a deal. But in the context of engineering a power supply, achieving that extra percent or 2% of efficiency can be a herculean effort and cost a lot of money in the
materials. And so I totally understand why you want to show, hey, they achieved >> and you want to make your you want to make your your visuals readable. >> Anyway, I don't want to go on this side topic for too long, but the point is
just that this is wild. I'm not going to say causation, say causation, but there is a pretty clear correlation >> consistent as well. >> Yeah. Across fourth grade math, fourth
grade science, eighth grade math, and eighth grade science. I don't know where they're finding these kids who almost never use a screen, but good on the >> I suspect is is there schools that just have not adopted? I'm assuming.
That makes way more sense. Yeah, this is in school use. I mean, it [sighs] >> I are asking for the source here. I think it's from Techbot.
Here you go. Uh so Textbot interviewed the uh interviewed the dude. And here's Yeah, here you go. >> The trends in international mathematics >> The trends in international mathematics and science study or TIMS.
and science study or TIMS. >> Freaking wild. However, however, >> Freaking wild. However, however, lots and lots and lots of other factors. >> At play here. >> I suspect honestly a bigger impact would
be electronics use outside of the classroom. Um, that. >> You can't like at [snorts] all a >> Parents would not self-report correctly. And this dude, this one blew me away. I
was I was helping out with a class field trip the other day. Um they they did a >> I was gonna say was this the mountain and um you know I like to I like to be >> You know like my kids are not going to want me
>> as a you know parent chaperone forever. >> It comes back around I think. >> But there will be a gap in there. >> Yeah. [snorts] Um but uh but but basically I um I was I
and one of the kind of side eyes and conversations that I had with one of the teachers was how impossible it is to get just like accurate height and weight of the kids on the intake form for the ski
trip. which is really important because when they're adjusting the bindings in the tech shop for your ski rentals, they need to know how strong of a skier you are, how old you are, and how much you weigh so that they can make sure that
they will detach correctly in in the event of in the event of a crash, right? event of in the event of a crash, right? And um and I and I over and I overheard or was part of I wasn't eavesdropping, but I was part of a conversation where
but I was part of a conversation where one of the other parents speculated that the reason that the teacher got like three different like clearly incorrect responses for one kid was that it's actually the kid doing all
correspondence with the school because the parents are just like not involved themsself and I was like, "Oh my god,
>> wow." >> Basically, um, but it pretty much it it it highlighted why you could you could never count on getting any kind of accurate meaningful data about out of
>> you could never do it. I just I just suspect that's a very significant impact um because I mean because of tangental things, right? Like if they're if time doom scrolling cuz their parents don't care anyways like is their
attention span so wrecked when they're in class that whether they have a screen going to absorb anything like that that type of stuff I think is relatively >> Daniel Chin says this isn't even a y-axis issue. There's not enough
and without actual controls there's a monopoly of confounders. Um okay but talking about y-axis issues with the presentation of of anything. Um, and
yeah, that's why I have carefully avoided saying that it is like a a causation. I've said correlation. >> All we've seen is that Jared Cooney
>> All we've seen is that Jared Cooney Horvath says and that there seems to be a negative correlation. That's what we've said. And I pointed out that the way that these are laid out makes it look like a bigger difference than it
>> That's how we got into the conversation about the importance of of drawing attention to at the very least if you are not using a zeroed axis.
are not using a zeroed axis. That's all. It's okay. That's all. It's okay. Um, it's also
problem and is not just down to using computers in the classroom cuz like we had computers in the classroom and we had the computer lab as well. Like we in school but >> you had computers in the classroom that
wasn't the computer lab. Yeah, we had like when I was in elementary school, we had often like one computer in the classroom and so if you finished your Trail sometimes if your teacher was a bro.
>> Not at your desk though, but I but but sure. Okay. >> I don't think I had many of those examples, but but maybe it was a thing. some schools. >> And that was like before even teachers
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes there would just be like a station. >> Yep. little workstation in the computer in the in the in the corner like a learning disability or something then you'd often have a computer for
>> Um Reddit has been fined by the UK for not verifying ages of users. The 14.5 million pound fine I love that money in UK is in is in weight units. um was
issued after the UK information commissioner's office. It makes it sound >> It's It's like you know those giant checks. It's like like [laughter] here's checks. It's like like [laughter] here's a million pound check. Oh god.
>> Here's a here's a 14 million pound fine. Put it down on something solid cuz you know >> Oh my god, I broke my hand. >> my hand actually got atomized from that. All right. So, the ICO alleged that
Reddit's failure to check ages resulted in their illegal handling of children's personal information and the potential exposure of children to inappropriate and harmful content. The ICO finding came before Reddit's July 2025 rollout
of an age verification system in the UK, but the ICO says they still have concerns, noting that Reddit relies on users self-declaring their ages when opening an account. This seems to ignore Reddit's use of Persona to further
verify ages of users seeking to access restricted content. In a statement provided to RS Technica, Reddit said that the ICO's insistence that we collect more private information on every UK user is counterintuitive and at
odds with our strong belief in our users online privacy and safety. We intend to appeal the ICO's decision. All right. So, there was a there was another part of Reddit's response that is not in my notes here that I thought was pretty
notes here that I thought was pretty hilarious. been in a different article. That's important. Oh, yeah. No, here it is. Um, we don't require you to give us your real name. We don't track your precise
anonymously. You can share as much or as little about yourself as you want when using Reddit. love that because they're basically saying, "Hey, we don't require anybody to tell us everything about themselves and every, you know, am I the
[ __ ] you know, experience they've ever had and how old they almost certainly are and and all of this stuff and, you know, they can share that with us if they want to, but we we don't require any of it." So, I mean, oh man,
this is this is a can of worms. Okay, cuz on the one hand [sighs] this drive from governments and plural like around the world for
these platforms to collect and verify more and more and more information seems crazy at a time when they're already collecting too much and if anything we should be going the other way. like are we is it time to root for
Reddit? >> But on the other hand, Reddit's only the only reason Reddit's mad is because the government wants them to collect this data a different way that will give them some kind of responsibility for their
>> [sighs] >> I I think where I've come to on this this for a while is I I do really like the idea of kind of >> pushing of of pushing the kids to use less
electronics and and get off social media and stuff like that because it is it is and stuff like that because it is it is highly malicious mind control. Um, but collecting data in order to do so not
collecting data in order to do so not only will not work, it's also just a massive trove of valuable information that will be broken into. So, just stop collecting it. The kids will get around
it. The kids will always get around it. It's you're not actually going to stop people who are really trying to. Um, so at that point, like I think the most at risk kids are going to be kids that would really try to get around it. So
risk kids anyways. And you're just making this like massive amount of data that they will get. Like let's be realistic about it. Um, you're just putting it out there for for for bad actors to just grab. So, like
for bad actors to just grab. So, like it's you're doing a horrible job of just putting data out there that will be stolen, that you really shouldn't have stolen, and of kids information, which like, come on. And you're doing it in a
way that is not really even going to be effective anyways. I I would love to see some stuff to try to dissuade everyone of every age from overusing like social media and doom scrolling apps and stuff like that, especially
kids who are more susceptible. But let's be real, so are adults. Um >> yeah, this this whole idea that because you're an adult, you're like magically >> It just doesn't fly. >> Yeah. Uh, like I let's I don't know if
this is a topic in the dock, but I mean YouTube pushed out and I appreciate that they did a like time management thing specifically for shorts within YouTube so that you can block how much you use. The thing that I don't like is there
isn't a zero. They go down to 15. I appreciate that they have a limit that is not super long, but 15 is still not that short. Five, they're shorts. Five minutes would be fine. Uh, zero would be the best. If you could granually control
the best. I would appreciate that. >> You know what? I'll be honest with you. I don't think, and I agree that it should be an option, but if I was >> Sure, that's fine. >> Because the goal of a limit would be to
>> Yeah, totally. >> Not to go cold turkey. I had a member of my family that developed a very unhealthy relationship with um with video media consumption because it was so restricted in our household and that
so restricted in our household and that was just their personality type. And I was just their personality type. And I personally feel like if they had been if they had not been cut off from it as as
often as they were um and it had not been made such a such a like exciting uh thing, such a such a huge dopamine hit when they were able to get access to it,
maybe some of that possibly could have been at least dulled. Maybe they might have learned to manage that compulsion. Maybe. >> I No, I still don't remember the name of it, but I have a a browser add-on. I
guess it's on my Windows install, so I'll have to figure this out on on just need to go find the add-on again. Uh, but I have a browser add-on that >> Solid. >> Um,
blocked, but your scenario completely makes sense. the options would be great what option you should select, but I would love the option for zero. Um, but
would love the option for zero. Um, but I do I do I will say having complained that they made this feature. I don't think that they had to they had just an appreciate that they made one separate for shorts. They are different things. I
are different things and I appreciate that they did that. YouTube does a lot of things pretty wrong. >> They do some things very wrong. They do a lot of things
kind of right. >> This is in the a little wrong but mostly right category. I think I appreciate that it exists and I don't think there going to make them do this. So like I appreciate that it exists.
>> Yeah. I um it's I would I would never describe myself as a fan, but I respect a lot of what YouTube does
and I have said before and will continue to say I I believe that YouTube is alongside Wikipedia, the Library of Alexandria, um one of the most important things the
human race has ever built. Yeah, I was going to say like I I totally I respect your stance and I'm not going to call myself a fan. I love YouTube. I I think it is fascinating that they haven't been so much worse than they are. [laughter]
And like I you know what, I'm very quick to point out things that they screw up. which we'll talk about shortly, was a mistake. I think uh not having zero on the shorts thing sucks. Removing the dislike button was just so dumb. And I
But at the end of the day, YouTube is amazing. Um, what a platform. And like Yeah. The fact that they haven't just gone full nuclear terrible is like kind
>> Please keep it up. >> Would it's legitimately getting close. up. >> And it's been sketchy lately, >> If there's any major concerns, um, I'm going to have some facetime with execs
going to have some facetime with execs soon. topic type and kind of the the funnel, the shorts. I think there is a problem right now with YouTube where YouTube was about people and it was organic and it was the place you could
go to learn basically everything and it felt like an app made by Yeah, I you felt like an app made by Yeah, I you could just find everything. And right now it feels like it's getting too hype focused.
I'm >> I give them that feedback basically again. >> It's more extreme than ever, I think. flow that we've talked about on WO a bunch of times where channel performance
bunch of times where channel performance is much more individual videobased and you have huge swings in viewership between videos. I have found more than between videos. I have found more than ever that I'm losing creators. Um I
more. >> Okay. Um, I think that's one of the watch >> search >> mind-blowingly bad. >> It's mind-blowingly bad but at the same
time again to give them credit holy crap is that a lot of stuff to search through but [laughter] but it it does seem pretty rough. Honestly, I don't think this is a hot take. Search for Google in general has been kind of in the pits.
Search and drive is terrible. Search and Gmail is terrible. like all all this stuff has been pretty rough. And this is someone who just said, "I love YouTube." And I still love YouTube. I'm just being honest about some of the negatives. Um I
honest about some of the negatives. Um I think there is a lot of soulless, negative, genuine brain rot content, stuff that does not enrich your life in any way that is being forced to the front of YouTube and shoved in front of
your face. And I think that will decrease people's appreciation and usage of YouTube long term. I think it is a short-term strategy to combat things like Tik Tok. And I think it will rot their overall market dominance in the
understand and appreciate what they are, which is the video platform of the internet. They h they stopped publishing user numbers because they basically just said we have everyone. Y >> know that, understand that, own that,
and have a higher level that you hold yourself to compared to other platforms. start banning this type of content. It's never going to happen. It's a bad form >> You're still going to have flat earth and landing conspiracy.
been there the whole time, and that's okay. But okay. But >> remember that you can float wholesome content. You can push wholesome content. you can you can push out these smaller
creators more and I understand that you are again I do love YouTube but what I'm experiencing right now is that I'll see a video with oh my god yeah this I mean I'll see a video with 19 million views which is the first thing that showed up
when I when I opened YouTube yeah but this might actually be a really cool video um or a meme I'm not yeah smash the rock yeah no no okay he's getting into stuff that might actually just be a really cool My point was more Mr. Beasty
type stuff. Uh, but I might get a video with Yeah, perfect. I might get a video with millions of views right next to a video with seven views. Maybe somewhere in the middle a little bit, right? Um, this is everything I'm
bit, right? Um, this is everything I'm seeing is these like huge dramatic um seeing is these like huge dramatic um [laughter] YouTube. [laughter] >> Yep.
Um, but it's it's just, yeah, I don't know. Bring bring back the the middle content. Um, bring back the wholesome stuff. Bring back the stuff that someone's going to look back at their usage of YouTube positively. Um, I I
think I really appreciate that they're adding these limiters, the these abilities to set your own limiters to things like shorts. I remember back in that for YouTube because YouTube is a space where you went to go learn things.
uh grow, experience, you know, see behind walls, all that kind of stuff. Um, and it's it's going down the extreme brain rot funnel now. Uh, where people are going to look back to their their
childhood of using YouTube and only think of things that were just a waste of time for them. And I think that's not necessary. And I think you can do that types of content on the platform, but just not hyper pushing um these like
objectively kind of things that aren't great for your brain. Mind paradox made a really good point. >> Scientifically speaking, the earth is
>> Scientifically speaking, the earth is flat. 75% of the earth is water. 95% plus of that water is non-carbonated. Therefore, if we were to round, the >> That isn't even the direction I thought they're going in. That's fantastic.
they're going in. That's fantastic. [laughter] >> Acting like we didn't have things like Smosh and other millennial brain rot. all. I've said that's been on the platform the entire time. That is
literally not what I said in the slightest. What I did say was how they promote different things. And I don't expect them to not promote that. I'm just hoping that they try to really balance things out and promote wholesome
bad, had lots of it. >> Oh my god. Shoot. >> Like this. This was massive. >> Oh yeah. [laughter]
Oh no. I always hated that to be honest. [laughter] I never liked that. I was Um [snorts] I I yeah I was yeah whatever. >> Um again I'm not expecting it to not
happen. I'm expecting it to be a little bit more measured and I I feel like and one of the reasons why I'm very happy to openly say that I love YouTube because my god is that a difficult line and they have straddled it so well for so long. I
feel like we're just we're just slipping a little too far one way. And I'm just a little bit. I don't want to swing too far this way. We we talked about that show. Just because it's swang a little bit this way. I don't want to bring it
all the way back. I just want it to try to be in the middle. Um I expect it to be full entertainment mode sometimes where you watch that slop and it's okay. just want the other stuff to also be brought up.
brought up. That's it. horribly stupid uh video from back then, but I don't think I'm going to be able
another topic? >> Sure. Beyond source. >> Uh oh. Yeah, I suppose I could I suppose I could do that.
you want to look for something. I'm going to try and find a really stupid going to try and find a really stupid video. Here's uh here's some of our here's some of our old school brain rot. Uh hold on.
>> Oh boy. >> Um >> Um Anthropic in the DoD. There's there's uh OpenAI in the DOW. There's there's a lot of stuff happening in AI right now, but
[laughter] This made me think of power thirst. Power thirst. [snorts]
sometimes you want just like dumb, silly, fun things. It's okay. I'm not saying to never do it. Saying there's a balance, that's all. King? >> Yeah, we should do that. Burger King is
vying for the throne of politeness thanks to AI. What a title. Uh Burger King is entering the AI chatbot race with Patty. >> Yeah, >> it's a good name. uh the open AI powered
Burger King assistant who will live in the headsets of employees with the preparation, notifying management of issues such as a
notifying management of issues such as a downed point of sale or low stock, as well as evaluating employee interactions with customers for friendliness by tracking the use of phrases such as welcome to Burger King, please, and
>> See, I don't think it's in the mic. What? What says it's in the mic? >> It would have to be if it's listening to what you're saying as in the employee. >> Oh, I thought Okay. I thought you meant like it would like override sometimes
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely listening. listening. >> Yeah. So, um I thought this was peak dystopian. Uh >> I just think they were already doing it.
already doing this. I I thought they were already tracking phrases and stuff. goes through the mic is technically going through a computer system. Like >> Are you sure? >> Uh no, it's not. No, I'm not sure to be
clear. I just I just thought that >> cuz I was I was not aware of of this at >> cuz I was I was not aware of of this at all. But but basically like this >> pretty much as far as I can tell is like a turbocharged version of the coffee
show or was I just talking to one of the writers about that? I can't remember. >> Um but it had like boxes around people and like said how many drinks that they had made in the last hour and like tracked how long customers had been
sitting at particular types of things that I thought kind of already existed. But this putting it right in the headset. So all of a sudden you could get like a counseling notice for forgetting to say please to a customer
10 times in one day or like whatever threshold they set. Like this is this is threshold they set. Like this is this is the step. This is it. This is the step before complete human replacement.
complete human replacement. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And I feel like I was talking to Ivonne about this because this is going to be this is going to be one of those times when I feel like people are some there's
going to be a group of people that are not going to like what I say. Um, as as not going to like what I say. Um, as as an employer who at this time in companies wholly owned and operated by himself has somewhere in the
neighborhood of around 150 plus people. Because usually when we give the employee count, we're just talking like Linus Media Group and like closely start to bake in things like the Smash Champs, Badminton Club, like they've got
retail, right? Like it's a bit of a different situation. Um, we've had major issues sometimes with people who
in many cases, like we don't always get pay scales perfect, but with people who in many cases are [snorts] >> very competitively compensated for what they're doing, >> um, doing things on the clock that
I think it would be hard to argue are not, unacceptable. So for instance, you know, >> hiding in a bathroom and having a nap when you are on shift.
>> Yeah. So, so that's a fun there's a there's a certain corner of the internet there's a certain corner of the internet for whom wage theft exists but time theft does not. M
>> um trying to have a balanced take here. I say they both exist. >> Sure. >> And to some people that will be that will be very controversial. To them I say, hey,
you run a business. See how well that works for you. All right. Cool. Good >> output. >> All right. So, with that in mind, >> All right. So, with that in mind, [snorts]
Ivonne went was there's um there's a huge problem there's um there's a huge problem because you have and I think it's really important to point this out a minority of employees who behave in such a way
that supervision supervision is necessary.
who behave in such an overbearing manner that we have exceeded supervision >> There are many such cases however where there's like maybe there's one bad apple
bathroom and then >> Sure. But there's uh there tends to be some really like oddly expensive to the point where you're never going to pay it back off
and overbearing reactions. >> Okay. So that's kind of where I'm that's kind of where I'm going with this. >> So you so you you exceed supervision, which in my mind should largely be
traditionally human supervision, right? So you exceed supervision, you make it into monitoring, you make it into Um I Yeah, I think monitors to just puppet. Yeah. Um, and I think I think part of
our problem right now is that we're in a death spiral death spiral because the more of this monitoring level of supervision, the more you make your way into like complete breach of
autonomy and privacy at any like at any given moment, like the more disenfranchised you might have a worker become. And the bottom line is as a business, you're never going to be happy about
getting work done. And if they're not getting work done because of how hyper disenfranchised they are, that's not want to pay them to do work they're not doing. And then you're going to try to
disenfranchised. They want to do less work. And I feel like while in any individual workplace you can break the cycle collectively >> as a society. >> Yeah.
>> I feel like we're circling the drain here. >> I think I mean wages are not keeping up. Um it's hard to be motivated at work when you make work work long hours make little money
>> Lzer says. I think the word you're looking for is micromanagement, but I'm not because there's a big difference between micromanagement, which between micromanagement, which might be necessary in in some cases,
>> or that person should just be let go, but sometimes that's not what you want go, okay, no, like we really need to to carefully set expectations here, you know, whatever it is, right? But that's really different from I have a camera
trained on you at all times that has an AI monitoring it that is compiling data and stats that I can go back retroactively and dig through anytime thing you ever did. That's not micromanagement. That's like that's
if that makes sense. And to be clear like we have cameras in our places of work. We're on camera right now. And I'm not talking about that one or this one or this one. Where is it? Whatever. It's in here.
There's a There's a security camera in here. Thanks, Dan. Dan pointed out. I assume Dan knows what's going on. Look at him. That's That's the face of a man >> It's over there in the corner. >> Thanks, Dan. Perfect. Um and and oh man,
see this is where this is where like the realities of running a business kind of realities of running a business kind of coincide or collide with some of my philosophical I wish it was this way beliefs. Like at Smash Champs for
instance, the extensive security system that we have has resulted in reduced shrink for our retail operation. It has resulted in multiple cases where we have resulted in multiple cases where we have been able to ban members who have stolen
>> Oh. >> Oh yeah. I mean, dude, people are [ __ ] >> It's like we're trying to have a community here. We're trying to just like play sports together and you've got people that will be caught caught in 4K
taking something that's not theirs. And we have literally heard the, "Oh, I didn't know that belonged to them." line. I [ __ ] hate that line. >> Did it belong to you? >> Did it belong to you?
>> THEN WHY WOULD YOU TAKE IT? >> I hate that. I get I get >> by that line. Yeah, we've had rackets. Shuttles. >> Oh, they're so expensive now. because they've become so expensive and even
they've become so expensive and even even used like like rat bag shuttles are actually going for money. Not much. It's like by the pound cuz people will use just like feeding drills and stuff. >> And it used to be that those were
considered like oh here you go worthless. >> Now they're like worth money now because new shuttles have gotten so expensive. And so because people like need to carry a tube around with them and because all
the tubes kind of look the same, like with rackets, people have it like in conspicuous to like open someone's bag and take a racket out, right? But shuttles, they'll just they'll have them on the bench, you know? And so we Yeah,
we've had we've had cases with rackets. We've had cases with phones. >> Right. >> A phone is so like personal. because it was an acquaintance of of an acquaintance. It was
>> it was a known person. So, that was a really >> Don't like that. >> Um, you know, we've had like we've had all kinds of things. We had an allegation from a neighbor that uh a
allegation from a neighbor that uh a member performed a a bio act in public >> Oh, yeah. >> And we had to, you know, we had to track >> That was wild. And so, and look, we've only been we've only
>> dude. We've been operating for a for a year. >> And already this is just this is just the stuff that's flowing off the off the top of my head, man. Right. And so, I'm sitting here going like, yeah, on the
one hand, you know, yeah, we shouldn't like we shouldn't like have cameras everywhere, man. And like all the cameras, man. But on the other hand, I'm would we have resolved some of this stuff if we didn't have a record that we
could track back to? I think it depends on the usage of it. >> Was the biomoment solo? Yeah, it was a solo biom for sure. For sure, bud. Uh solo biom for sure. For sure, bud. Uh >> yeah, I think like
office upstairs with the like stock broker style monitors just staring at all your employees all day? >> If so, I'm not. No, no, no. don't have that. If you're doing something like that, like that's clearly
like, "Oh my god, go away." If you're reviewing footage in case of incidents, think I'm pretty sure in Canada you think I'm pretty sure in Canada you can't record audio in a work in like an
>> Oh, I don't know. >> I think that's a thing. Um, footage or something. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. For like
>> And then we were like games. >> Can we And then there was like something service that's being offered and therefore talked about and there's like >> signs and stuff then it like becomes more fine. But I if I remember
correctly, regardless of the signs situation, if it's just like an office, you just can't do it. Like it's a >> I think it was more okay for the public. >> Yeah. >> SF Wong. This is a good one. As a
business, what about using AI to monitor things like a manufacturing floor to do rather than to judge people? >> So that's Oh my, WHAT THE [laughter] >> BOY ARE YOU ever boy are YOU EVER TREADING A FINE LINE THERE, BROTHER? not
treading the fine line. They're trying already crossed it. >> No, that I mean it >> No, that I mean it the world's most ethical manufacturing
the world's most ethical manufacturing foreman sure could be looking purely for ways that they could improve their own performance by laying what I'm saying is performance by laying what I'm saying is not untrue by laying out the stations
more efficiently or whatever. But literally any human being in existence would also be looking at that other the other meat bags out there and figuring you know, scrolling on their phone instead of popping widgets together or
be doing. >> And it's very like inhuman to expect >> And it's very like inhuman to expect people to be 100% on task for 4 hours and then 30 minutes later, four more hours. Um, it's like not really how
hours. Um, it's like not really how humans work. But there's there's Yeah. you give people too much data and then they're like, "Wait, I don't like that. I paid for that minute. I need you working for that minute." Um, and again,
But then like how do you how do you find the acceptable bar because you actually do need output from them or else your business closes. So like it's
Yeah, that's where like ideally you find in my perfect happy funtime world, ideally you find a measurable >> Can I work there? [laughter] output that you want from this person
paying for them. And if they're hitting that output, it doesn't really matter too much on the other end. But that's certain positions. It's really hard to >> It's all relative. >> Yeah, that too. Uh but it can be like
okay what if this isn't a widget maker right like what if this is something completely different how do you how do you measure the output of every single possible role at Linus Media Group for example like that's
>> potentially impossible >> we have a we have a really >> we're a weird business and we have a lot of people that wear a lot of funky hats >> not even normal hats we have a lot of people that wear some really weird hats
it's like how do you measure measure the output of that person >> almost impossible >> very difficult. So yeah, >> I mean it's something that we we often
come up against as we're sort of figuring out um you know how you how you measure output, how you how you track that against uh against costs, how you
that against uh against costs, how you how you try to optimize. Um think it's one of the things that keeps the content always changing, keeps working here dynamic. Um, like it's been interesting watching people comment
recently that um, you know, the reason LTT is going downhill is because they've had a lot of turnover in their onscreen personalities. And I'm kind of sitting here going, okay, a, all you have to do is go as far as SocialBlade to find out
gone down since those events. In fact, it's a little bit up since then, which I'm not attributing to that either. I'm just saying the the the causation relationship that you have conjured out of your out of your brain hole is not
of your out of your brain hole is not actually a thing that happened. Um, actually a thing that happened. Um, and cool about LMG is that as we have changes, we just kind of adapt. We just
we make we make new styles of content. We're always we're always looking for, you know, what is exciting to whoever the team that's here is. We're always we're always changing. Um we've been around for 17 years, guys.
we've been around for 17 years, guys. 17 years. In that time, you know, my changed >> pretty dramatically. a fair bit. >> Your interests have altered.
>> In the What? What are you up to? You got to be up to like 13. >> That can't be right. >> Pretty sure it is. From NCX days. >> 13 would be since working for Lionus Media Group.
>> Linus Media Group hasn't existed for 13 years. Not till the end of this year. >> Okay. So then 14. >> 14. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh no. Is LTT at 18 now?
old. 2020. Wait, what? Oh, got confused. 6 years ago, the first LTT video was posted
on Reddit. So, it So, 2020 is the post date of this Reddit post, not the >> Okay, 17 years. November 2008. So, we'll be at 18 this year. Good lordy. Um,
going with this is that you're going to see the content continue to change and I our staying power. I'm actually really excited to see some of the stuff that um David Pankrats made his his solo on camera debut recently over on Short
Circuit checking out a Derbower branded like test bench. our editors did a short circuit recently that I thought was really good. It didn't get a ton of views. Uh, but when I was uh I don't always feel compelled
to message the the production or crew or the host when I when I review one of our videos, but uh this was one that I reviewed just cuz he was new. And uh I I
thought Peter just did like an outstanding job of this video. Um the the feedback on it is is quite quite positive, but yeah, just needs uh check it out. It's a really really good video. And a fight
deck is not something that we would have had the internal had the internal interest to cover in the past like super highle unboxing. I think you might find Razer did one like a thousand years ago
that we did an unboxing of. >> I remember that. Yeah. Uh, I think we >> Really? >> Yeah. But those would be like
standards. Oh my god. Remember when our thumbnails looked like that? Cuz I did them. [laughter] >> Just text on the entire thing. day? >> Who knows?
>> That's funny. >> Yeah. Well, was it was a different time. It was a different time. >> Yeah. I I think stuff like this and beauty of short circuit is you're going to have some weird stuff on there
to have some weird stuff on there sometimes and uh I think junk food swirl just because of what it is but that doesn't necessarily mean the video is doesn't necessarily mean the video is bad.
old text thumbnails. >> I meticulously copied it." Good for you. Your WAN show, if you want a Photoshop template, we post that. [laughter] I don't think anybody needs that. Uh what they do need is to hear about uh
Drop, no longer operating as a standalone business by March 31st. standalone business by March 31st. Drop, founded in 2012 as Massdrop, is closing its standalone e-commerce store at the end of next month as part of the
Corsair integration following the 2023 acquisition. The last day to place orders is March 25th, and Drop Rewards will also expire that day. So, use them or lose them. Drop.com will become a landing page for brand collabs under the
landing page for brand collabs under the Corsair umbrella. community reaction is generally negative so far for the people who still manage to care, which seems like not many. I I saw some I did actually read through some of this and I
saw a few people comment that the newsletter, which is apparently a big part of Drop's deal, has just been kind of full of the same stuff over and over >> I think Drop in general has kind of been like that. I remember back in the day I
used to go to Massdrop when it was Massdrop like all the time. Yeah, I was genuinely on there like a lot. But it was because they'd have a lot of really weird stuff come through that was interesting. Um
like knives. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. They were huge in the everyday carry scene. There were tons of other stuff and for a long time now it's been mechanical keyboards, headphones. That's
mechanical keyboards, headphones. That's it. It's like, okay, after a while, I headphones that I like. There's no real reason for me to come back to the website if that's all they're ever really doing now. Um, and yeah, they
used to get into some funky stuff. Um, and they were really around the the original idea of Massdrop, which was just like using collectivism to get cheaper prices on things. Um, and that was really neat. And then
they stopped doing that. I guess >> Corsair was a really weird company to take public. Like this seems like it has not gone particularly well. The timing was a little rough, wasn't it? Didn't they go public over co
>> here, Max? I think so. >> Maybe maybe their goal maybe their goal >> Well, it was at a high, right? Everyone was like hyper into gaming and >> Yeah. >> I mean, the owner is out, I think. Don't
quote me on that, though. Uh, does Andy Paul still own any of Oh, does he not have a Wikipedia page? Well, that's something that uh he won't have in [laughter] >> Oh my god.
>> Don't never forget, guys. Luke Leier needs a Wikipedia page. >> Um, yeah, Hobbs is saying like they they used to have actual group buys too that were exclusive to Massdrop. Like
seriously, how important is this guy compared to Luke Lefrenier? Is this your >> Oh, that's cool. >> Very very disconnected, but technically >> Very very disconnected, but technically along the line somewhere. Yes.
>> I poked through a couple >> uh family relatives to figure out like >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Dang. one of his jerseys. I was thinking about one of getting one of his jerseys
recently. 14 points in 16 games in the 23-24 playoffs. great though. >> The Rangers. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, they're uh his jersey was on sale recently and I I might actually
have a jersey with your name on the back that is not a custom jersey, you know? That's pretty sick. That's pretty cool. Um what was I going to say? Yeah. Uh, Insomniac in full pinch chat also said
Humble Bundle over the last fiveish years. Is Humble Bundle still a thing? >> Wait, no, I think I knew that. No, no, I knew that Humble Bundle. What? What do they have? What do they do? Get great games every
month with Humble Choice for only $18. Oh, it's a subscription. Is it a subscription? >> I think it's a variety of things. >> Uh, bundles. Okay. Games. Well, books. >> Oh, yeah. You can humble bundle books.
>> They had some Linux administration thing recently and I was like, "Oo, I'm not diving that far in." >> I think you get to keep them though. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> So, it's not like I think Game Pass
>> Yeah, it's it's a I don't know if there is a subscription or not, but either way, Humble Bundle has always been you keep it. Um, so if they did have one, I'm sure it would be it would be like a loot box kind of thing, not a uh pay to
access. >> Okay, so these are just >> mean, that sounds pretty good. I like overwhelmingly positive things.
overwhelmingly positive things. >> Here we go. Uh, all right. But then I have to pay at least >> $2046. >> Oh, you will get you will get all eight items. Oh, yeah. All of these are all
items. So, what if I put in a dollar? Oh, okay. No, you have to pay at least >> 46. >> Okay, that's interesting. don't know how much they cost outside of Humble Bundle.
>> Yeah, me neither. But apparently, they're all like >> so that's something. And what the what is bug fables? Monster Monster Train. >> Oh yeah. Okay.
like I could beat anything no matter what. They they have this um I've I've played both Monster Trains now. I think that's monster train one. In Monster Train 2 there there's like different floors and
you put your units on the floors and then enemies come on and they attack once and then they go up a floor. And I I found this mechanic where there's a card where you you can play the card and then it will move one of your characters
by on the floor. And then there's an aics that you can put on the character that makes it so that they gain a permanent stat when they move. But the character would move before you played the card when you would hover the card
over. But that would mean that the character would move as far as the game highlight the card over and then unhighlight the card rapidly and you unhighlight the card rapidly and you just gain permanent stats. [laughter]
Just completely broke the game. I did it for one run cuz I thought it was funny again. I have to like, you know, it removes the entire fun of the game if You could just oneshot anything. It was uh it's pretty good. It's pretty good.
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Paramount is set to take over Warner Brothers. the bidding war to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery, which leaves Paramount Sky Dance in the lead to acquire Warner
Dance in the lead to acquire Warner Bros. Pictures, CNN, and HBO Max. Paramount already owns CBS, Paramount Plus, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. Plus, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. They agreed to pay a massive $7 billion
termination fee if the deal fails to get regulatory approval. Netflix's co-CEO stated that they declined to match Paramount's revised $31 a share offer. Paramount's revised $31 a share offer. So approximately $111 $111 billion
because it is no longer financially attractive. Yeah, I should think not. There's a significant amount of political drama surrounding this deal. political drama surrounding this deal. Yeah. Because Paramount's bid is not
enabled by Paramount doing so good that they have so much money that they can run around scooping up former competitors. It's because instead Paramount's bid is backed by a major right-wing donor, Larry Ellison.
Meanwhile, Netflix's co-CEO Ted Sarandos reportedly visited the White House hours before dropping out of the bidding war. Interesting. The merger isn't finalized scrutiny. Well, will it though? From both the US Department of Justice and,
this is more likely, from European regulators. The California Attorney General has already confirmed that there's an open investigation with the California DOJ. Discussion question. Is streaming
trending towards a giant monopoly worse than we ever had with cable TV? Yes, it is. >> That's why the pirate hats are coming out. Um
>> Yeah, >> I will say that. And hopefully that is simple enough that everyone on every side of the political spectrum can um
kind of go, "Oh yeah, that makes sense." and uh recognize that this is bad. and uh recognize that this is bad. Cool. Good chat.
>> Oh, okay. I didn't hear that part. >> So, this is going to be very interesting >> a pretty obvious reason why there's so much pressure to actually do this. Yes, that's as far as I can tell the only reason that um certain people involved
in facilitating this deal have any interest in it whatsoever. Speaking of weird stuff, HP is selling 1.2 terbte laptops on Amazon kind of uh the HP store on Amazon is selling low-end entry laptops and
advertising is advertising them as 1 TBTE plus devices. The catch, 1 TBTE of the storage is one drive cloud storage.
>> Also, in the case of this 1.6 TB one, >> 512 gigs of it seems to be uh Oh, wait. hard drive. >> Wait, what?
>> Uh, let me see if I can find it. What is this picture? Is this AI? Uh, it could be that water bottle is like on her knee.
>> This is this just bad Photoshop or is this AI? I can't tell cuz like clearly this shadow under here would also she would have shadows under her fingers. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, it's AI.
>> I'm pretty sure >> it could be a bad Photoshop. >> what are the What's the graph? Yeah, let's have a look at these. That's AI. >> This is AI.
>> Oh, look at the ports on the left. >> Nice. Okay. Well, that answers it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Very cool. Very good. Yes. Um, that's a
marketing? Yes. >> Uh, they do specify in the title that it's one drive. They first say it's >> 1.6 TB of storage. like, ah, man. >> I think it is. >> This one's better. This one's better. Or
they don't combine it. >> That's totally fine. >> That's a problem. >> This is still super yucky. >> the category is not, but the title on this one is totally fine.
>> However, how long is this included for? >> Unless it's unless it's forever. >> It's less than years, then >> they could fix it if it if it was a fixed period of time. I don't even care if it's less than years. If it's not
opinion would need to be in brackets at the end for three years >> or if the price for the product said the upfront price and the subscription to maintain that storage, I'd be fine.
>> Also fully acceptable. >> Yeah. >> We got a no notes. Uh the king of plasma TVs is done making TVs. Panasonic is pulling a Sony and giving Skyworth control of their television business
with the aim for the Chinese firm to take over manufacturing, marketing, and selling Panasonic TVs across the US and Europe. Earlier this month, Panasonic announced plans to eliminate 12,000 jobs globally,
which is a surprisingly only four to 5% of their workforce. That's a giant company. Holy crap. Panasonic makes like a lot [groaning] of stuff. Yeah. >> Just apparently not a lot of TVs these
days. To be clear, um they're pulling a Sony in the sense that they are >> offloading their TV business at least to a certain degree. They seem to be doing doing it a lot more into a different company. It's Skyworth rather than TCL
which is who Sony more like >> it seems like more of a partnership on the Sony side cuz they like own part of the joint venture whereas it seems like Panasonic Nick is just like well okay
you go ahead. This feels kind of like um like when you'd see like an old brand that used to be cool like you'd see an RCA like flat panel you'd be like did RCA ever make flat panels and then you look into it and it's just made by like
>> some random some random Chinese brand. >> Sad. Uh, another no notes, but I suspect we'll talk about it for a little bit. Uh, YouTube wh YouTube rep has confirmed the ability to filter member onlyly videos. As of right now, our LTT
>> They sure are. >> You should still go to lmg.gg/fpan for better pricing, but it's there if you'd rather stay on YouTube, which we know some of you would. Uh, we're slowly uploading new exclusives. new as in they
weren't uploaded as of when this membership thing was turned off in the months back. Uh, we're still in the process of uploading new exclusives. It's taking a while as apparently there's a limit on videos uploading.
>> That does make sense, but I'm surprised it applies to all channels. >> There's a lot of hacks and stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. That's fine. U so the the feed is going to be kind of a mess, but Luke is going to
show you guys real quick a super awesome hack for not seeing any of the members videos if you don't really want to. Uh for one thing, you can say don't show me these anymore. And for another, excuse me, you can click on public.
>> And then you won't see any of them. Which is why which is why we agree. back on. >> You can also click on just members only. >> Oh, why is that a thing? >> I saw that and tried to click away from
it. [laughter] [sighs] >> I did not. [laughter] I did not.
reference to. >> I don't either. Freaking Sammy. Can't >> I don't either. Freaking Sammy. Can't trust that guy.
>> All right. Hey, this is fun. Remember how I said that I had faith that Apple was going to add end toend encryption for RCS to iPhone to Android communications? They almost immediately did as part of the uh as part of the
beta. So they are they are now testing that. The second beta of 26.4 has support for it. So that's pretty cool. Um, our discussion question is, now that argument no longer applies, what do you think was the real reason they waited so
>> Shame. It's just >> because they just plain didn't want to. stuff. >> Yeah. >> Um, there's a new app that lets us track Sammy specifically. No, it's people with
uh smart glasses, but realistically it's just Bluetooth devices. But in this IDs that show you smart glasses. Anyways, with millions of pairs of smart glasses now in the in the wild, you never know who might be secretly
filming, and you still won't. But a new app called Nearby Glasses scans for Bluetooth signals and warns users when smart glasses may be in use. The app is currently available on the Google Play Store with uh iOS in the works.
Neat. >> Leaked charger for new iPhone. Apparently, they're going magnetic only. blah blah blah. >> Is the portless iPhone on the way? >> We've all known this was going to happen
for a while. >> Uh, no. This This seems very very rumor milly. Okay, I'm not I'm not engaging with that. What else we got here? Discord is delaying its global age verification
roll out. Discord is now pushing back their rule changes to the second half of 2026. Before they introduce the new rules, the company will be adding more options for users to verify their age and add the ability to make spoiler
channels, which are essentially agegated chats for NSFW topics. They also plan to publish a blog post explaining exactly how their age estimation systems work. Well, that'll be an easy way to get around them then. Quote from Discord CEO
says, "The way this landed, many of you walked away thinking we're requiring just to use Discord. That's not what's happening. But the fact that so many our most basic job. Clearly explaining what we're doing and why.
what we're doing and why. >> Please. 6 months or so. >> Yeah. The problem is the way this landed
was you were working with like the the Palunteer guy. I don't remember >> Like >> just not a great look. That's I think the main reason that's that's the main reason why I was pissed.
>> Yeah. Uh, sure. >> This is pretty cool. Arch Technica posted this article. >> In spite of big offers from tech >> my god, >> many farmers are being supremely based
and refusing to sell their land for data center use. >> So based >> 82year-old, this is so cool. 82-year-old Ida Huddleston told representatives of a Fortune 500 company when she rejected
Fortune 500 company when she rejected their offer of $33 million for 650 acres of Kentucky farmland. There's a quote, "You don't have enough to buy me out. I'm not for sale. Leave me alone. I'm satisfied."
>> another farmer in the same county or country. It says country, but I'm sure they mean county because obviously they'd be in the same country. Um, 75-year-old Timothy Grosser declined a proposal to name your price when a tech
company sought to buy his 250 acre farm. This was reported by the Guardian. The money's not worth giving up your lifestyle. Grosser said based
>> and agricultural land >> being based again. agricultural land is >> being based again. agricultural land is um has been a target because um has been a target because it has access to water. Um it has
traditionally been relatively inexpensive for the amount of area you can get per dollar which if you're trying to build a sprawling data center might be an advantage. Um I think access to power has also been an advantage
>> Yep. >> It's like way cheaper. It says here in BC we have the agricultural land reserve to Do you think other regions could follow that example? I think they could. I
think the agricultural land reserve is extremely documentedly and I mean you could just take a drive in some of those areas uh horrifically abused by the ultra rich in BC uh to just have insanely massive mansions, pay way less
in power, pay way less in taxes, pay way less in lots of different things by just uh kind of basically pretending that they're farmers by having a tiny little bit of their land dedicated to farming something. It's very very common that
something. It's very very common that it's uh uh wine grapes and then they'll have somebody because very little maintenance and then you have somebody come gather your grapes and sell them or whatever and you don't do any of the the
labor and you make no money off of it but you are allowed to classify yourself as a farm. This is like just one of the many many ways that BC is extremely well known for just excessive amounts of scams. Just tons and tons of scams. I
mean, that's a farmhouse, right? >> That sure do be a farmhouse, brother. [laughter] Let's go. There are tons of these. >> Tons of them. >> We are here. That is like here.
>> Hell yeah. Um those crops those all those crops behind there that that's fine. >> That's making so much money, dude. >> Uh hold on. This is not that easy to do with a touchpad, but uh let's see. Let's
>> And it's wild cuz you'll see like a very legitimate operation. >> And everything looks pretty normal and then you see a mega mansion and you're >> what are we looking at here?" >> Uh what about second house? Or is that a
>> That looks like it normal there. I I don't want to point out like there are there are a lot of uh a lot of very legitimate farmers in BC. Uh but it's extremely expensive land. So, it's very very difficult to get into and
you're you're bidding against people like uh potentially this that are just like uh potentially this that are just building mega mansions and then you know >> playing farmer game by paying someone else to uh take care of their
else to uh take care of their >> also heard that if you are like oh the land's really bad um I haven't been able to make any money off of it cuz it's to make any money off of it cuz it's crap um can we reszone own it for not
>> That is pretty hard from my understanding. try. >> I'm sure they try, but my understanding is it's pretty hard. >> I'm glad.
>> Yeah. How many garages is that? Six. >> That's a lot of G. Are there more garages on the right there? >> Jibus. >> Absolutely wild. >> They look like they do some legitimate
thing where you can hire people to come in and legitimately about is like >> way more egregious. There's there's a lot of ones a little further away from here, like more in the kind of Alder
>> look at [laughter] that house. >> Wow. >> And meanwhile, this one. >> Damn. Oh my damn. That's a big house.
Oh my god. This one couldn't even all be in a straight line. [laughter] ever go any farther out of the house than this wall. than this wall. >> Yeah, sure though. We go, you know, do
crop things. Oh my god, look at this one. The main thing the main thing that if they actually end up producing like good crops, I don't really care that they're like whatever, I'll farm this land and I'm going to just pay someone
here. Like that doesn't bother me that much. The main the a little bit but not that much. The main ones that bother me is when they just have like a tiny amount of the property dedicated to that
not that high. >> Uh and then they do it. It's like yikes. place. >> Damn. time, right? >> Some of these might be multif family.
>> Oh, I'm sure they are. >> Yeah, >> that was just a guy and his dog need 12 bedrooms. >> There's an extremely if if you want to have fun one day, if you go around
was. >> Look into how much people make in this province and then just have fun. looking down some of the roads, [laughter]
>> look at look into some of the costing of certain areas and go, "Wait a wait a >> Oh, [laughter] yeah. >> Like, that doesn't make any sense. The the top end of people's earning in this province is is, you know, this much.
huge percentage of them live in Vancouver. Okay, cool. What are all these places? How is there so many places worth like doubledigit millions of dollars and there's just so many of them? [laughter]
>> Our across the street neighbors when I was in my teens were just >> Mhm. >> I think I've told you the story probably a few times. One of the inhome Geek Squad guys when I worked in in in uh at
Geek Squad uh worked at like a very obvious Hell's Angels place. Uh, and the guy just like was laughing about he offered him a beer and stuff and he said he was like guess what I do for work and he was like what? He was like I I don't
remember what he said. I repair I work for like a refrigerator repair company or something. And then just huge belly laugh. He's like like [laughter] he's like clearly clearly he had he had like a crazy
Harley. He had some uh he had some leathers and stuff like it was it was very obviously a Hell's Angels bro. Um just just messing around. Um I'm in [laughter] that's a that's a pretty big tell.
was New York Times. It was a long time ago, but they did like a most corrupt being Vancouver. This was This was quite a while ago. Things have probably shifted a little bit, but probably not that much. There is a lot of uh money
ways. >> Well, Sean Caldera was actually talking Langley right now >> where where real estate developer bro couldn't get permits to build just like whatever he wanted, so he ran and became
greenlight whatever he wanted to do. >> And then his influence is spreading. Um, and like the whole vibe of Fort Langley has changed very significantly cuz there was all these rules about uh historical
and all this kind of stuff and he's blown that out. Um, and now it's just like uh another suburb. >> Well, the the one main street it just it doesn't feel historic so much anymore. There's a couple there's a couple
buildings here and there. Um, but it just feels like I don't know. I'm in like a trendy street in Vancouver now that it's just in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of sad. They should put in a Whole Foods.
>> Sorry. >> Oh man. >> Who knows? >> Uh farmers refusing to sell data >> based >> um Sam Alman defends AI at the India AI
impact summit uh this okay are you ready for your eyes yeah >> open AI CEO Sam Alman argued that it's consumption it takes to train an AI because it also takes a lot of energy to
because it also takes a lot of energy to train a human >> sorry I wasn't ready for that at Oh, that's wild. >> We would need to factor, this is a quote, 20 years of life and all the food
smart. >> Oh, so humans are just are just uh it's it's just the matrix. Now, >> Alman further claims that if you compare a GPT inference query to a human answering a question, probably AI has
efficiency basis. >> Holy crap. Whoa, dude. He completely dismissed concerns over Chad GBT's water usage as totally fake, arguing that modern data centers don't
>> I mean, some of them do, but that I mean, that I'm not even going to pick mean, that I'm not even going to pick apart that much when the whole like, apart that much when the whole like, okay. Oh, man. Good lord. So here's
okay. Oh, man. Good lord. So here's here's the okay I could I could wax philosophical on the value of a human life and therefore just obviously being more valuable than you know an AI agent or whatever, right? Like I could I could
or whatever, right? Like I could I could do that, but instead I'm going to go all the way to the hyper capitalist side and I'm going to meet you on your own turf and I'm going to say why that was such a [ __ ] stupid thing to say. Okay? in a
[ __ ] stupid thing to say. Okay? in a way that is undeniable. That AI will never pay taxes. >> Oh,
>> All right. >> False equivalency. And I don't even have >> False equivalency. And I don't even have to get into whether humans have a soul or you know or just the >> if you look at all the ways OpenAI
going to save humanity and universal basic income and all this kind of stuff >> Yep. >> I've got chills. >> Which might be good. >> Boom.
>> Yeah. You can't tax. >> Pop more callers Sam. I'll never forget. >> So that's why we should that's why we should even from a hyper capitalist
don't care about anything but more more money standpoint. That's why we should money standpoint. That's why we should invest in humans and and training humans and we should not invest in training m what am I looking at?
>> Why can't I scroll up? There we go. >> What is this? Does he have two collars? >> He sure does. Rock them callers. Sam, we didn't forget about Looped. Sam, it was a scammy company. You lied about your users. We
didn't forget, Sam. >> Little evil boy. >> You know what's funny is we had like that that concept of a line of of clothing products. So, we had the the Steve that turtleneck that mock neck
>> You just have a green >> and just have like a stupid double >> That would be amazing. I think we won't do that. >> Yeah. [sighs] >> The Italian government has declared all
cloud storage users guilty in advance. A levy of up to 30 per year will be applied to cloud storage accounts based on the reasoning that that storage space could be used for copyright infringement.
The Italian Minister of Culture signed a decree extending the levy that previously applied only to physical media and at the same time increased the fees for physical media. The Italian Society of Authors and Publishers
welcomed the move while Italian consumer and technology advocacy groups are calling the move anacronistic. These sorts of levies are not new. Germany introduced similar levies in the 1960s after legislators were convinced
that cassette recorders would destroy record sales. Fun fact, did you know that the Canadian private copying levy is still set to 29 cents per blank CD one of the reasons that blank media was
States. Wow. >> However, I am going to say something once again. I know huge surprise to everyone that might come across controversial. The levy on blank CDs was actually a lot
simpler for me than the Canadian government actually enforcing copyright. I paid a little bit of levy on every blank CD and I never worried about like
the music industry busting down my door. >> True. I I and and as long as our and as long as this levy kind of sits there as a as a as an invisible shield against me ever actually like being punished in any way
for the songs I downloaded on Napster. I was actually pretty chill with it. >> Italian friends, I encourage you to explore self-hosting.
>> Yeah, you could do that, too. You have your own cloud and they don't have to >> Nice. >> Solid. Oh, hey. Whoa. Is that it for >> Oh, did we talk about OpenClaw? >> Yeah, I didn't catch up much about it.
Just the lady had her emails deleted. >> Yeah, it's uh we don't have notes on it. >> Cool. Maybe let's not do that then. >> But it is You want to Let's Here, let's just do this bit. Let's just look at their website real quick. Uh the AI that
actually does How does that >> clears your inbox a little bit too much? calendar, checks your invite, flights, all that kind of stuff. Look at this. What it does, what it does, what it does,
it runs on your machine. It uses any chat app that it has. It has persistent memory. It controls your browser. It has full system access, including reading commands, executing scripts, full access, or potentially sandboxed.
Woo! And people are letting this rip. Apparently, uh, Facebook researcher person, it deleted their entire inbox. >> Not entire, but a lot of it. Yeah, >> emails are slowing them down. >> Delete the whole thing. Maybe that's
>> Delete the whole thing. Maybe that's good. Sweet. I don't think we have a ton else to say. None of us have used this. Um,
with a ton of vulnerabilities. Yeah, not too surprised. is what it is. Um,
>> All right, Dan, do you want to switch us over to After Dark? >> Wait, are you Hold on. I don't have the Twitter installed. somebody that I can only communicate with on Twitter, I just constantly
uninstall it. Then I'll I'll install it again cuz I like, "Ah, crap." app. I ghosted this person for a while. Ah, I hate that it's people. >> Hey, you want to know what's already
started? >> What? After dark? Oh, >> you [laughter] can tell how controversial it is controversial it is like press ratio. [laughter]
>> Oh man, >> I am surprised you went back to it. Not never used it. I know nothing about it. I have no opinions on it. I just uh returned. Um
>> well, the narrative the narrative last time should be or the narrative last time should be or the narrative last time was that was a fluke. >> Yeah, >> they patched the bug. That's not normal.
>> Was that the only thing? I don't remember. Yeah, cuz I Well, I just never got as far as even like having >> almost the first thing and then it nuked >> and then I went elsewhere. Yeah. >> Okay.
Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. >> All right, Dan, hit us. >> Sure thing. Hey, Lionus, a while ago you teased us with a sling bag for handhelds and tablets. Any updates on that sling bag? Oh. Uh.
actually remember right now. Uh, Matthew's working on it. I saw a newer version of it a little while ago. I I think we I think we put it on pause waiting around for Switch 2 is what I want to say. So, the latest version of
it has it's bigger so it could accommodate a Steam Deck, but it has an insert so that you can put like a Switch 2 securely in it or a Switch One. But of these handhelds are so
>> Yeah. They're so different in terms of their thickness and girthiness and well but like whether they have like handles on them or whether they're like super on them or whether they're like super skinny with JoyCons like
when we finally release it it's ultimately not really what you want because we have to target something or we end up targeting nothing and then we end up targeting nothing and then nobody wants it. Mhm.
challenge? I've used Linux since Slackware 1.0 and I can't get anything Slackware 1.0 and I can't get anything to work properly on Stricks Halo. to work properly on Stricks Halo. Um,
system because I didn't build it myself. >> Interesting. [laughter] I am using a variety of chipsets. One of which is Stricks Halo. I'm actually I think this is launched now so I can show it. Um, but I've been
using this PX13 from ASUS for a little bit. It's a from ASUS for a little bit. It's a Stricks Halo system with a yeah convertible thing. It's It's basically the old Flow X13, but without the XG
the old Flow X13, but without the XG Mobile, without a dedicated GPU with 40 gigabit per second USBC and um with beefy cooling and stricts
>> This is a side note. I think it's not worth uploading our back catalog. >> Uh I'm just going to side note real quick. This is I know we can press the thing and I think that's really cool, but when people don't um I guess just I
what the page looks like. >> I know it's a temporary issue though. >> But there is literally no videos on my entire page that are not members only. >> And I don't know if people are going to know to click this.
>> Yeah. It's so little of how people find our videos anyway. Like really like >> Yeah, pretty much. I do that to find videos. >> Yeah. >> Uh, okay.
>> And it's temporary. I I fully acknowledge it's a problem. You're >> I think we're upset about it being on the homepage. I'm not interested in this on the homepage. You can't do that on the
click public on the channel page. There is solutions everywhere. As far as Mario Santai goes, >> it does seem to remember. It will forget remember. Okay, more merch messages. Hey, Luke, do
Okay, more merch messages. Hey, Luke, do you still play the new Mario Kart? No, I quit the first day. I bought I bought a Switch. This is probably the the most disappointing purchase in a while. I bought a I I went blind into the new
Mario Kart just expecting, you know, I've enjoyed like every Mario Kart. Someone's screaming no wrong. Uh it's correct for me. Um, I uh, yeah, I bought a Switch 2 almost exclusively for Mario Kart. I played Mario Kart 8 and Mario
Kart 8 Deluxe both a lot. Um, I played Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U a bunch and then I played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or whatever it's called on the on the mostly on the Wii U, I think, but I also played on the Switch. Um, very excited
didn't look into things because I didn't want it spoiled. played a fair bit in one day and the whole time I was just like I don't like certain things about this. I really I always really loved drifting in Mario
Kart. Loved it. And then now it's like the drifting was weird. It didn't feel don't think I'm the only one that thinks that. And then they have this new like rail grind thing that I really did not like. Um they had a few other things
uh even more encouraging of exploits than previous Mario Karts. Usually in previous Mario Karts, the exploits were wouldn't see them in like online competitive play much. And literally day
one, people were doing like underm exploits and crazy stuff in in the new that they support that is just kind of whack. Um
have not played it since. Um, honestly, my Switch 2 is not getting >> like probably sell it. >> I think my son um made the wrong call. handheld PC. >> Disappointing, man. I was talking about
>> He uses it when we travel. And in fairness to Nintendo, it'll probably >> Yeah, probably. >> So, there will be plenty of time for >> I'm going to interject here with another merch message. What you're referring to
as switch two is in fact switch plus two or as I've taken to referring sorry >> Lionus wondering if your son is still liking the switch too. My daughter is now asking for one as a high school graduation gift.
graduation gift. >> Uh he's not using it that much. He uses it when we travel, but like we don't travel that much. And usually when
we travel, we're like doing stuff. Like our two of our recent trips were ski trips. So we're up early, we eat, we ski, we
come home, we maybe play like some card games or hang out. We let them bring so the kids brought some friends, so they they hung out for a little bit and Ivon and I hit the hot tub and then we all collapse in our beds. And the I mean
all collapse in our beds. And the I mean the way we travel is pretty type A. >> So like I'm talking we leave here Friday night, we ski Saturday morning, night, we ski Saturday morning, we sleep in the hotel for one night, we
we sleep in the hotel for one night, we ski Sunday and fly home Sunday. like 48 home. >> Oh yeah. >> Um so there's not a lot of room for like playing Mario Kart on your Switch in all
that. Oh, by the way, totally unrelated, I tried skiing for the first time in over 25 years. It was fine. snowboarding. >> Yeah. Uh, but not because like skiing is
like a problem, but just because I've only boarded for over 25 years. I'm I am more comfortable and therefore having more fun on a board. I talk to my kids about this all the time, how you have to kind of when you're an adult especially,
good at something >> to have fun with it. Mhm. >> And I hate that video games have become that now cuz that like I I find I used between topics here, but I used to hear people say, "Yeah, I only really play
multiplayer is not fun cuz I'm not sweaty enough." And I didn't feel like I'm totally there. >> I I don't think this is age. I think >> I'm not I'm not sweaty and sweaty enough of a skier to have fun skiing the way
that I have fun boarding, though. So >> if you look at like Counter-Strike lobbies back in the day, >> even the tryhards back then in not all cases definitely, but in a lot of cases would be seen as like very casual
players these days in in regards to the effort put into the game, right? >> Like the fact that it is genuinely common for people to like warm up and aim trainers. >> Like no, dude. That's crazy.
work. >> And now what do you have? >> Yeah. 60 hours a week of practice. >> And like it's like I remember I I played on some some pretty good teams and I
remember like the idea of practicing if it wasn't just a scrim was >> What are you talking about? >> Like when I was in high school, if video game, like you would have gotten an involuntary
like just like that one. >> But like even even on the remember our our like our best player was talking about how he wanted to do teaching people some like movement things and stuff like that and everyone
other than me was like no I'll scrim I'll like play and just are you talking about I'm not going to like >> no not a not a chance and now and now people like very voluntarily on their
people like very voluntarily on their own just to queue up like normals They're not on a team. None of this matters. They're going nowhere. Well, like practice and aim trainers for a long time before they jump online. Like
the the the the playing field has legitimately shifted. We have not just >> Yeah. >> But it's not just getting older.
>> Oh, what's up? >> GG on the Hell Divers game. Yeah, it was my first time playing. It was fun. >> It's a good game. >> What game activity slash etc. do you wish you could have done at the land?
>> I wanted to chair curl and I missed it. I was busy. Chair curling is so fun. I >> He got Yeah, he got >> Didn't he win at one of our things once? >> I thought so. Yeah. Okay. >> Somebody He had a great shot apparently
chair and took his chair out. >> I mean that's curling, right? >> There Yeah. There's there's offensive measures to this game, but you only have one shot. You can't like in a curling game, it goes back and forth constantly.
>> So, like >> you had a good shot and it got taken >> All right. >> Um some of it's like the order that you >> Um some of it's like the order that you just happened to be in. I don't know. Um
what was I going to say? Yeah, I wish the I wish the 8v8. We got to kind of figure that out because that I really I already agreed with the vision but now I saw the vision and it was bright and there was just issues
>> Yeah, I hope we can get there. >> Yeah, lot of technical issues with the 8V8 this year. >> When we were using it, it was great. The whole idea of everyone just sits down
and you just play and there's no like, oh, sorry, no, I don't have you on Steam. So, uh, can someone lobby up so that we have like like only maximum two degrees of separation between whoever is
running the lobby and Okay, sorry. Are we using the official servers? Oh, well, game, so I'm not going to be able to join an official server. Oh, god. Well, to go get a pirated version of it now. Good lord. Like, just that whole that
whole foreplay is just so not sexy >> for me. It was also just the defaultness of it. People gathered near the entrance of the 8v8 and everyone was like, "We're
of the 8v8 and everyone was like, "We're playing Halo. There is a blue side and a >> there is the blue team and the red team. I wonder what team I should join. Nope. >> No, you just join. I'm blue seven. Well,
>> No, you just join. I'm blue seven. Well, I joined blue. Like, cool. Like, get into the game pretty quick. You just start playing. It was It was It was We had some issues with the net booting and we'll we'll
>> We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. >> We need someone who's going to own it and then and then they'll own it. >> Huge props to the Whaleand team. Shout out Evan and Pank. I think they might
mean Ivonne or do they mean Evan like our uh our uh new social guy?
guy. >> Evan's pretty based. >> And archive. >> I'm really bad with names, so I I I thought his name was Evan, but I didn't want to say it.
>> Okay. Wow. Is that it for the W show? >> All right. We'll see you again next channel. >> I feel like that snuck up on me. I don't fun. >> Bye. [laughter] Bye.