[0:00] Rewind.
[0:04] >> Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I
[0:06] am your host, Ryan Ary. And today, I
[0:09] don't know. I'm worried. I'm just going
[0:10] to throw it right out there right off
[0:11] the bat. I am actually worried about two
[0:13] different things. One, um, Supergirl
[0:15] looks like it's great. It's based on one
[0:17] of my favorite all-time comic books,
[0:19] Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. It's got a
[0:20] great writer, uh, great director. It
[0:23] looks fantastic. and the box office
[0:24] tracking is at 51 million domestic
[0:27] opening weekend which would be below the
[0:29] Flash. So even in this age of kind of
[0:31] like post superhero blitz where maybe
[0:33] we're suffering some people are
[0:35] suffering from superhero fatigue. Um
[0:37] maybe it just means the DCU isn't
[0:39] clicking with people the way they'd
[0:40] hope. Now add on top of this that Warner
[0:43] Brothers is uh on Friday the Justice
[0:46] Department approved the mindblowing sum
[0:49] make sure I get it right. Oh god. $111
[0:52] billion acquisition. Paramount is buying
[0:55] them. And of course they're owned by the
[0:56] Ellison family who um may not want what
[1:01] James Gun is selling. So that's what I
[1:02] want to talk to our guests here uh today
[1:04] about. We're going to talk about the box
[1:05] office and the popularity of some of
[1:07] these streaming services and what's next
[1:09] for the DCU. But first, let's bring one
[1:11] of our guests. I know one of our guests
[1:12] has a heart out today at 2:30. So we
[1:14] want to get him on ASAP. You know him
[1:16] from Phase Zero YouTube channel and from
[1:18] all over the internet. Mr. panel host
[1:21] extraordinaire Brandon Davis. What's
[1:22] going on, Brandon?
[1:23] >> Oh, just keep tricking you into letting
[1:25] me on here. How you doing?
[1:27] >> Good. I said phase zero. I'm sorry. It's
[1:29] phase hero.
[1:30] >> It's a Wait, it's a hard H before hero.
[1:32] >> Hard H.
[1:33] >> Yeah,
[1:34] >> hero. Okay. Very, for legal reasons, a
[1:37] very important distinction.
[1:39] >> I feel really bad. I'm really sorry
[1:41] about that. And then of course, there
[1:44] was once something by that other name,
[1:46] but no longer.
[1:48] >> It's not not live anyway.
[1:51] >> Well, anyways, we've also got coming on
[1:53] right now the guy who's trapped in our
[1:54] TV and doesn't know it, so please don't
[1:55] tell him. Mr. Colton Agburn, what's
[1:58] going on, Colton?
[1:59] >> I'm just really glad to be here with the
[2:01] guy and the dog from Screen Rant as well
[2:04] as Brandon.
[2:04] >> Yeah, that's us.
[2:05] >> Day zero. Yeah, this is going to be
[2:07] great.
[2:07] >> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]
[2:09] >> If you don't know Brandon, one time
[2:10] Kevin Smith said that about one of our
[2:12] channels. He said the guy from Screen
[2:13] Rant with the dog and it was Colton's
[2:15] video and I thanked Kevin Smith but
[2:16] forgot Colton wrote that. It was a whole
[2:18] thing. It was a whole thing. Kevin, if
[2:20] you're watching, I'm sorry. And finally,
[2:22] one of our Screen Crush staff members,
[2:24] expert in all things uh DC
[2:26] extraordinaire, we have Mr. Lee Mazio.
[2:28] Hi Lee.
[2:29] >> Hello. Happy to be here to uh you know,
[2:33] do my job for the DC universe and keep
[2:35] it going strong.
[2:37] >> Yeah. And if you guys watch a lot of
[2:38] Screen Crush and you you may not know
[2:40] Lee's name unless you read the credits,
[2:41] but he's a great editor. And pretty much
[2:43] when a DCU thing comes around, I'm like,
[2:46] either Lee either gives notes, extensive
[2:48] DC notes, or he full on just writes it.
[2:51] So, we're looking forward to Supergirl
[2:52] around this shop. I'll tell you that.
[2:54] >> Um, let's just dive right into it
[2:56] because we're going to lose Brandon in
[2:58] about 30 minutes because he's more
[2:59] important than the rest of us. Um, I can
[3:01] quote some facts and figures to you guys
[3:03] about the performance of like Superman
[3:05] from last year did 618 million versus
[3:08] 667 million from Man of Steel. The
[3:12] Suicide Squad, which granted pandemic
[3:14] released at 168 compared to 749 for the
[3:17] bad Suicide Squad movie. And um yeah,
[3:22] Supergirl actually was tracking to 55.
[3:24] Today they updated it to 51. And uh they
[3:28] box office theory estimates that
[3:29] Supergirl will make around
[3:31] 65 million domestically. And I'm sorry
[3:33] that I don't think that was a $55
[3:34] million opening. No, it is an opening.
[3:36] So I think Oh man, I hope that's not a
[3:38] total gross they're saying. Dark Brandon
[3:40] has entered the chat. All right.
[3:42] >> Hello, Dark Brandon.
[3:44] >> Brandon over here.
[3:46] >> I just I put on the wrestling persona
[3:47] real quick.
[3:49] >> And however, the Batman did 772 million
[3:52] and people are looking forward to the
[3:53] Batman 2 and Man of Tomorrow. I'm
[3:56] curious where you guys land on this. Is
[3:57] it just too early? Do you think
[3:58] Supergirl will start slow and pick up?
[4:01] Can that even happen these days in
[4:02] modern day box office? And um do you
[4:06] think that we just need to kind of
[4:07] regress into more big uh popular heroes
[4:09] that people have heard of before they
[4:11] branch out into maybe properties like
[4:13] Supergirl, which aren't as marquee?
[4:14] Brandon, what do you think? What do you
[4:15] Are we going to flop?
[4:17] >> I I mean I think no matter what happens,
[4:19] people there are going to be a there's
[4:21] going to be a group of people that call
[4:22] this a flop no matter what it does. But,
[4:25] uh, realistically, [snorts] I mean, I
[4:27] think this one's going to be riding on
[4:29] word of mouth big time because the that
[4:33] initial review wave, the initial
[4:35] reaction wave is going to really stir up
[4:38] a lot of conversation. I think whether
[4:40] it's positive, negative, or just
[4:42] somewhere middling. And I think that the
[4:44] the the experience people have and the
[4:46] what they share about this movie is
[4:48] going to determine week two. So, I think
[4:50] week one it's a DC movie with a a
[4:53] mainline superhero. So, it's got that
[4:55] baked in like guaranteed $45 million.
[4:58] And then, you know, based on what you do
[4:59] with marketing, if it's not Batman
[5:01] Superman, you got to up that a bit. It
[5:03] seems like those day one pre-sales were
[5:05] really, really good from everything we
[5:08] keep seeing. And I don't think that's
[5:09] coming from DC trying to have like a
[5:11] positive spin. Every time I see it, it's
[5:13] global box office on Twitter or
[5:15] something. But, I think that first
[5:17] weekend is going to be It's gonna I
[5:20] think it'll go over 55 million unless
[5:22] reviews are just terrible. I think it
[5:23] goes up to like 65. Um even though it is
[5:26] week two of Toy Story, so that's a stiff
[5:28] competition as it is. Everybody's going
[5:29] to have gone to the movies a week
[5:31] earlier. But then I think week two is
[5:33] where the story is going to be. How does
[5:35] it what is the drop? If it's a really
[5:37] good movie, I think the drop is is is
[5:39] lower and it gets some legs and keeps
[5:41] going. If it uh if it isn't if it's
[5:44] anything less than really good, I think
[5:45] the drop is kind of significant.
[5:48] What drop do you think they would be
[5:49] happy? I mean, obviously something like
[5:52] Obsession with no drop, but that's not
[5:54] realistic. Mandalorian and Grou do less
[5:56] than 20%.
[5:57] >> No, no, I'm saying 20% Obsession style
[6:00] is where No, I
[6:03] >> Mandalorian should have come out five
[6:05] years ago.
[6:06] >> Yeah, sure.
[6:07] >> Yeah.
[6:08] >> Had a drop of like 80, right? Like it
[6:10] was ridiculous.
[6:12] >> Like 69. Anything over and I I didn't
[6:14] say that to be funny. It was like 69.
[6:16] Anything six?
[6:17] >> Yeah, we're six. Anything over eight,
[6:19] nine. Anything over 50% would would be I
[6:23] think they'll be celebrating uh in terms
[6:25] of a drop off. I I'm not worried even a
[6:28] little bit. Like if this movie makes 475
[6:33] million come the you know after its run
[6:36] I'm going to consider that an absolute
[6:38] win to quote Professor Hulk because we
[6:40] have to remember the DC EU had ran DC
[6:45] movies into the ground. It it they were
[6:48] at absolute bottom. They were below
[6:50] bottom. the movies that were coming out
[6:52] in those last few years of the DCU, the
[6:56] box office for those films was just
[6:58] absolutely embarrassing. And I'll say
[7:00] the same thing about Supergirl that I
[7:02] said about Superman is that the box
[7:05] office right now does not matter. What
[7:08] matters right now is to reestablish this
[7:11] brand, get uh, you know, make good with
[7:14] the audience and just put out a quality
[7:16] film. So I I think if Supergirl comes
[7:19] out and clears like 450, no, that's not
[7:22] breaking any box office records. But she
[7:24] is kind of a B character. She's a
[7:25] derivative character. So I don't know
[7:29] why anyone would call it a flop. Like if
[7:31] it comes in under, oh, if it doesn't
[7:32] make 700 million, it's a flop. That's
[7:34] ridiculous. It's a Supergirl movie. And
[7:36] I think that the the most important
[7:38] thing for it to do is just be super
[7:40] good. and and that will do wonders for
[7:43] this franchise and help set up for three
[7:45] or four years down the road from now
[7:47] when we're at like this fourth chapter
[7:49] of this Superman saga that could be a
[7:52] billion-dollar film.
[7:54] >> Well, I'll tell you, Colton, just sorry,
[7:56] Lee, give me just a second. I'm going to
[7:57] provide some context for what Colton was
[7:59] saying. I was paying attention. I was
[8:00] just typing in some figures here. Uh
[8:02] Black Adam opened at 60some million,
[8:04] which is over, you know, what uh
[8:07] Supergirl is. The Flash opened for what
[8:09] over Supergirl's projected for right now
[8:11] and Black Adam had a total worldwide
[8:13] gross of 393 million. The weird thing
[8:15] here, Supergirl's budget is could be as
[8:19] high as 225 million and to with print
[8:22] and all the great marketing they've been
[8:24] doing, they might need anywhere between
[8:25] 300 and 400 million to break even. Who
[8:27] knows? Because it's all secret. But the
[8:30] projections are all over the map.
[8:31] There's some outlets that are saying 500
[8:33] million and some are saying 200 million.
[8:35] But comparing it to the DCU,
[8:38] I mean, so far the DCU is tracking ahead
[8:39] of it.
[8:40] >> No.
[8:40] >> 200 million worldwide.
[8:43] >> Sorry,
[8:44] >> is that a 200 million worldwide
[8:46] prediction?
[8:46] >> I think it's domestic.
[8:47] >> It's ranging. No, ranging from 200 to
[8:50] 500 worldwide
[8:51] >> for Oh, for opening week. Are we talking
[8:53] opening weekend or total box office?
[8:55] >> Talking total.
[8:56] >> There's no scenario where this movie
[8:58] parks at 200 million worldwide. It could
[9:00] be it could be 11% on Rotten Tomatoes.
[9:03] It still makes me more.
[9:05] >> And speaking of 11% on Rotten Tomatoes,
[9:07] what's the what? Speaking of Black Adam,
[9:09] Black Adam sucked. And I like The Flash,
[9:12] but most people thought it sucked and
[9:15] nobody went and saw those movies after
[9:16] that opening weekend. I think if
[9:18] Supergirl is really good, it's going to
[9:20] have a positive word of mouth, and
[9:21] people are going to be turning out to
[9:23] see it, and it'll probably have way less
[9:27] of a drop off than those other films
[9:28] did. So I sure th those movies had maybe
[9:32] bigger opening weekends, but I think
[9:33] that Supergirl has a much better chance
[9:35] of actually having a bigger box office
[9:37] in the long run.
[9:38] >> I mean, also just
[9:41] >> you're good. Also, just to fight back a
[9:43] little against what you said earlier,
[9:44] Colon, Supergirl is very
[9:47] wellestablished. Like I know kind of
[9:51] side charactered her a little bit, but I
[9:53] mean she did have her own CW show
[9:56] >> in the general zeitgeist. I mean even
[9:59] those who are not fans of the comics or
[10:02] of the DCU
[10:04] Supergirl is known they woman of
[10:06] tomorrow a fantastic comic. I mean if
[10:09] you know comics if you know Supergirl
[10:11] first one to come into your mind. So, I
[10:14] think especially coming off the heels of
[10:16] Superman in kind of what was a bit of a
[10:20] production drought, it seems like in
[10:22] terms of conveyor belt of superhero
[10:24] movies, we went from having a lot of
[10:26] them at once to once a couple of years.
[10:29] And that's also, you know, with COVID,
[10:30] but now we're having the DCU starting
[10:33] with your first introduction of the
[10:36] super family last year and now the
[10:38] followup this year. Like if I didn't
[10:42] care about Superman, if I didn't care
[10:44] about if none of these posters meant
[10:47] anything to me, that alone gets me
[10:50] excited because I see that they're
[10:52] committed and this isn't just a
[10:54] franchise that's like, "All right, throw
[10:56] him in. Whatever." Like, this is
[10:58] >> something that seems hopeful in general.
[11:01] >> She's also Are there enough of you?
[11:05] >> She's far more What? She's also one in a
[11:07] million Superman.
[11:10] >> Hold on. You're Yeah, you are one in a
[11:12] million. That's true. Colton, what' you
[11:14] say?
[11:14] >> I was just saying she's also a far more
[11:16] interesting character than Superman.
[11:17] That I was just bouncing off of what Lee
[11:19] said.
[11:20] >> There is No, no, no. There is that. No,
[11:22] I mean, I know Lee would push back on
[11:23] that, but the fact that she watched her
[11:24] entire civilization die and, you know,
[11:27] and is dealing with that trauma
[11:28] directly, whereas Superman was able to
[11:30] mostly avoid that for his life. But to
[11:31] be somebody who is still good and kind
[11:33] and rises above that trauma. I love the
[11:36] marketing for this too. Like I think
[11:37] it's it's been phenomenal so far. Like
[11:39] the look up to lookout thing that
[11:41] they've been doing. And it's interesting
[11:42] because Supergirl was not part of that,
[11:46] you know, that first slate that they
[11:47] announced. Brandon, I think you got to
[11:48] go to that super secret meeting, right?
[11:50] >> I did. Yeah. Supergirl was not part of
[11:52] that. That was uh it seemed like it
[11:55] seemed like Batman Brave and Bold would
[11:56] have been one that was like going to be
[11:58] coming sooner than this, but uh yeah.
[12:00] Yeah. No, Supergirl was not part of
[12:01] that. But Supergirl was something I
[12:04] think the DC team before Gun and Saffron
[12:06] were already do like the writer of this
[12:08] Anna Negada wrote a Supergirl spin-off
[12:11] from the Flash for Sasha Cali to star
[12:13] in. And then that I don't know if it is
[12:15] at all similar to what we got here. Um,
[12:18] but I want Cole and there was a couple
[12:20] things you said that I think are worth
[12:21] pointing out and comparing to today's
[12:23] time because a Black Adam had a pretty
[12:26] decent box office. I didn't hate Black
[12:27] Adam. Granted, I don't really hate
[12:29] anything. There's only a few things I
[12:30] really think are terrible. Black Adam I
[12:32] certainly would not put as terrible. Not
[12:34] great, but it was whatever. Um, but I
[12:38] think at that time we still were not
[12:41] this far out of the superhero boom where
[12:43] every movie was printing money
[12:44] >> and The Rock could still sell movie
[12:46] tickets. He was still a person who
[12:48] everybody rallied behind and now the
[12:49] tides have turned on Dwayne Johnson and
[12:51] everybody's like tired of that guy for
[12:52] whatever reason. Um, but that that's one
[12:55] thing. The Flash was like I think The
[12:57] Flash doing anything at all was kind of
[13:00] surprising because that's another one
[13:01] that was like that movie just hung out
[13:03] to dry. Not only did it get abysmal
[13:05] reviews because I felt like we were all
[13:06] betrayed thinking the VFX were
[13:08] unfinished because I thought the story
[13:09] of that pretty good but the VFX were
[13:12] unforgivable. I can't believe
[13:13] >> Did you see it at Cineacon and so you
[13:14] thought those were unfinished VFX?
[13:16] >> Yeah, I was like
[13:18] >> finished VFX that's actually a pretty
[13:20] solid story. Say what you will about
[13:22] Ezra Miller. Pretty great.
[13:23] >> I love Flash. Yeah, I love Flash. I
[13:26] thought it was going to be a billion
[13:27] dollar film. Yeah.
[13:28] >> Yeah. And so I think like the
[13:29] comparisons are weird because the times
[13:31] have changed so much. You're looking at
[13:32] movies like Fantastic 4 that can come
[13:34] out and be a seven out of 10. And a
[13:36] seven out of 10 six years ago was enough
[13:38] to make a billion dollars and now it's
[13:40] half that just because the appetite has
[13:42] changed. So I think if with this you you
[13:45] have Superman footage you can release to
[13:46] sell tickets if you need to like break
[13:48] the glass in case of emergency, you can
[13:50] have James Gun jump on the marketing
[13:51] bandwagon if you need to. Um, but it's
[13:54] also a like the times have changed so
[13:56] much. Emmeilia Alco's not super famous
[13:59] yet. So, I think a lot of women are
[14:00] going to love this one. I think
[14:01] superhero fans are going to go see it.
[14:03] U, but I think it is it is a hard to
[14:05] compare this to the DC universe is
[14:07] trying to start at a time
[14:09] >> when people don't have the same appetite
[14:11] for superhero movies like they did 5, 10
[14:13] years ago. It's inarguably changed. So,
[14:15] we're comparing it to that because
[14:16] that's the golden era. But, we're out of
[14:17] the golden era.
[14:18] >> That's true.
[14:19] >> When you bring up Go ahead.
[14:22] I was just going to say I do have to say
[14:23] Black Adam it didn't even crack 400
[14:25] million worldwide. I feel like that's a
[14:27] pretty massive failure for a movie
[14:29] starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I I
[14:32] think that just kind of screams like
[14:33] like you said Dwayne the Rock Johnson,
[14:34] you know, he's a movie star. I feel like
[14:36] that kind of just shows us that he
[14:38] dragged that movie kicking and screaming
[14:40] to almost 400 million. Like it was
[14:43] really the current just like disdain for
[14:46] DC films that kind of brought that thing
[14:49] down. And so that that's why I think
[14:51] that what James Gun has managed to do
[14:53] with like Superman, I I think it's super
[14:56] impressive that he he was able to get
[14:58] that movie to make what it did.
[15:00] >> Yeah.
[15:01] >> Well, in just a second, I want to get to
[15:02] like the the Warner Brother Paramount of
[15:05] it all and Zack Snider. You know, Zack
[15:08] Snder won't let this go in one way or
[15:09] another. So, we'll talk about that in a
[15:11] second. Uh I do know Brandon, you
[15:12] briefly mentioned something that like
[15:13] you think um women will have a good time
[15:15] to come, you know, and come to the
[15:17] movie. Um, it's interesting because I
[15:19] never like with Supergirl, I never even
[15:21] thought like, oh yeah, femaleled
[15:23] superhero movie. I just think of it as
[15:24] Supergirl, like another superhero,
[15:26] right? And there was a point where like
[15:28] with Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman, it
[15:31] was a big deal. It was like, oh, we
[15:33] never had this before. But now we've had
[15:34] Black Widow and a few other things,
[15:36] Harley Quinn, etc. So, I I feel like the
[15:38] newness to that isn't there. Whereas
[15:41] maybe if Supergirl had been the first
[15:43] femaleled film of this modern era, it
[15:45] would have really pulled in people who
[15:47] don't normally maybe would normally go
[15:48] see opening weekend of a superhero film.
[15:50] >> Well, yeah, sure. I mean, it's also look
[15:51] at we're four dudes up here talking
[15:53] about superheroes. So, saying this on
[15:55] this panel might be out of pocket, but
[15:58] like
[15:59] emphasizing this is a woman-ledd
[16:01] superhero movie was a drilled talking
[16:03] point for everybody promoting those
[16:05] movies because they knew it was
[16:06] celebrated and it was selling tickets.
[16:08] the executives I don't think really
[16:10] maybe some of them did. I don't really
[16:11] give a movie studio executives too much
[16:13] moral credit. Like I'm not talking about
[16:16] Kevin Feige. I'm talking about like the
[16:17] people who spend the money and make the
[16:19] money. They're like, "Yeah, femaleled
[16:21] superhero movies are selling tickets.
[16:23] Let's make it more." And then now it's
[16:25] not a talking point anymore because it's
[16:26] happened a few times, not as many time,
[16:28] not nearly as many times as obviously
[16:31] maleled, but I think that that bubble of
[16:33] that being the talking point and being
[16:34] enough to sell a ticket has certainly
[16:36] burst. U if this Yeah. Yeah, if this
[16:38] came out in 2019,
[16:40] even the superhero bubble aside, I think
[16:42] that championing women in film would
[16:45] have helped this movie, too. And I think
[16:47] it still will a bit, but it's just
[16:49] >> I hope it doesn't,
[16:51] >> you know, you made fun of this at the
[16:52] start, man. I really hope
[16:53] >> again,
[16:54] >> if this movie comes out and it's as
[16:56] great as we think it's going to be, and
[16:57] there's still like bastard YouTube
[16:59] channels that still rip it just because
[17:01] it's a female. Like, if it's a great
[17:02] script, it's a great script. And earlier
[17:04] we talked about how James Gun, this was
[17:06] not part of their initial announcement.
[17:07] And he said, "Yeah, we got a great
[17:10] script." So, we put it ahead of things
[17:12] like The Authority or Brave and the Bold
[17:14] that just aren't there yet. And that's
[17:15] an interesting strategy that I hope
[17:17] works. You know, Marvel for years put
[17:18] the cart before the horse and it somehow
[17:20] worked. And then I think it caught up to
[17:22] them with Quantum Mania. But
[17:23] >> same thing with Clayface.
[17:26] >> I don't think Gunn is focused on the box
[17:28] office right now. He knows that the his
[17:30] number one goal needs to be putting out
[17:32] things that are just beloved and just
[17:35] critically acclaimed. That that's the
[17:36] goal.
[17:37] >> But also looking done beyond just the
[17:39] movies. Super Mr. Terrific and the
[17:43] engineer are in Fortnite. I mean, you
[17:46] did not you barely had merch for these
[17:49] movies
[17:50] >> that you like DC had a little tiny
[17:52] season in Fortnite from the the peak of
[17:54] Fortnite and Marvel had like five goes
[17:57] in there and 40 skins and you had maybe
[18:00] Aquaman I think when when the Last
[18:01] Kingdom was getting ready to come out or
[18:03] the first one I don't remember but it's
[18:05] just the and Fortnite is just a small
[18:07] example of what James Gun and I think
[18:10] large credit to Peter Saffron as well
[18:12] have done to build this brand and
[18:16] generate revenue and interest beyond
[18:19] just the literal movie theater.
[18:21] >> Lee, can I ask you something? So, what
[18:23] we're talking about here, what I'm
[18:24] getting from you guys is that James Gun
[18:26] is trying to build a house of cards. And
[18:29] of course, when you build a house of
[18:30] cards or any kind of house, you start
[18:31] with very small pieces. You make sure
[18:33] they're structurally sound. And if
[18:34] you're building like an archway, you
[18:36] build a keystone. Or if you're building
[18:37] a deer fence, if as the Screen Crush
[18:39] staff members know, I'm building a deer
[18:40] fence right now. Love to show images of
[18:42] it. I won't shut up about this. But Lee,
[18:45] in doing this though, if you're going to
[18:47] build this, yes, it needs to be quality.
[18:49] Yep. And James Gun is right there at the
[18:50] front. We'll talk about the streaming
[18:51] shows in a second. You look at the
[18:54] talent that he's getting together, Mike
[18:56] Flanigan, Damon Lindelof. Like, it's
[18:58] incredible. But wouldn't if you're doing
[19:00] that, wouldn't you want to start with
[19:02] Batman, the most popular DC character? I
[19:05] mean, wouldn't you want to take
[19:06] something like the Batman and build your
[19:08] universe around that? I mean,
[19:11] personally,
[19:12] >> like, you know, me, Ryan, I'm just gonna
[19:15] say yes because you said Batman. But
[19:18] genuinely speaking, no. Um, I think that
[19:21] right now,
[19:24] I kind of have settled, I'm of the mind,
[19:27] I don't want a Batman in the DCU yet
[19:31] because
[19:33] we have, dare I say, the perfect one.
[19:35] And we've had such a good one with
[19:37] Robert Patson that I think that if James
[19:40] were to start off with Batman for the
[19:43] DCU, it would constantly be a thing of
[19:46] comparison. It would be like, "Oh, look
[19:49] at what Matt Reeves is doing. They can't
[19:51] do that there. Look at what they're
[19:52] doing. They can't do this there." And
[19:53] it's just always no matter what they do,
[19:56] what fantastical story they tell, they
[19:58] could tell the best adaptation of Hush
[20:02] or whatever, and it will always always
[20:07] come with this was good. However, if it
[20:09] was Patson or if it was blah blah blah,
[20:11] it would have been so much better. And
[20:13] and you don't want to start a franchise
[20:15] with that. I I think that they're doing
[20:18] something very smart with the way that
[20:19] they're taking the characters that they
[20:21] focus on and making them, you know,
[20:23] their tidular spotlight characters. And
[20:26] with Peacemaker, for example, like who
[20:29] cared originally? You know what I mean?
[20:31] >> Who heard of him before this?
[20:33] >> Yeah. Who knew? Who cared? Now he's in
[20:37] has a cameo in all of the DCU projects
[20:39] so far. So
[20:41] >> he's a trend on Tik Tok. The Yeah.
[20:46] >> Yeah. I don't
[20:47] >> I will say this
[20:48] >> would love to see Batman. I'm okay with
[20:51] waiting
[20:52] >> and you know I love Peacemaker and I
[20:53] love everything they've put out so far,
[20:55] but I'm just kind of pointing out why
[20:56] I'm worried. Right. So Peacemaker,
[20:59] >> um I've got a few stats on it. Again,
[21:00] streaming stats, you'd never really
[21:02] know, right? Uh but during Peacemaker
[21:04] season 2 finale, the show as a whole
[21:06] barely cracked the Neielson top 10 and
[21:08] the finale counted for 42% of that watch
[21:10] time. Season 2 did have a 22% brewership
[21:12] increase during its premiere, but those
[21:15] numbers teetered off by time by the time
[21:17] season 2 is finished. But it does have a
[21:18] 94% score on Rotten Tomatoes. So, it
[21:20] seems like there seems to be a trend of
[21:23] the DCU making great [ __ ] that we love,
[21:26] but general audiences are lagging behind
[21:28] and haven't caught on yet.
[21:29] >> But you you build it, they will come.
[21:30] And I I know Brandon has to go here in a
[21:32] second, so I want to let him go. But I
[21:33] just want to say the MCU did so well
[21:37] because it did not have the crutch of
[21:39] Spider-Man and the X-Men when they did
[21:41] phases uh one through and most of three.
[21:45] I I think the DCU even though they could
[21:47] use Batman, I think they are smart to
[21:49] let Reeves just keep doing his Batman
[21:51] finish it and build a DCU without the
[21:54] crutch of Batman. Actually have to do it
[21:56] without that. like actually give
[21:58] themselves a challenge and build this
[22:00] really strong DCU and then bring Batman
[22:04] in it to make it all the more better.
[22:06] >> And I should note neither Captain
[22:08] America first Avenger nor Thor uh
[22:11] cracked 500 million. Thor did a little
[22:12] bit better than first Avenger actually,
[22:14] which surprised me.
[22:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And then Avengers
[22:18] was crazy. Yeah.
[22:19] >> But the Justice League's a long way off.
[22:21] Brandon, go ahead. What were you gonna
[22:22] say?
[22:22] >> Oh, no. I I love Beastmaker. I'm I wish
[22:26] more people would watch that show, but
[22:27] that's a very R-rated adultoriented
[22:29] show, too. So, it's hard to,
[22:30] >> you know, I mean, that's a very R that's
[22:32] that's a hard R rating for uh for TV or
[22:36] hard TV MA, I guess.
[22:38] >> Well, what are your thoughts on not
[22:39] prioritizing the Batman or a Batman or
[22:41] Batman?
[22:42] >> I just think that might
[22:44] >> I I I I don't think he's thinking what's
[22:47] going to make the money. I think he's
[22:49] thinking I mean, I I think that has to
[22:51] be part of the thought. James Gunn
[22:54] understands the business, but I think he
[22:57] is genuinely sticking with this is what
[22:59] I believe in. This is the character that
[23:02] works right now. Sure. You know, it
[23:04] sounds like we're throwing Wonder Woman
[23:06] into Man of Tomorrow, but I really think
[23:08] he's doing that with a reason for doing
[23:10] it.
[23:11] >> Uh if that's if that ends up being true.
[23:13] So,
[23:14] >> I don't think they need Batman. I am of
[23:16] the belief that people would be confused
[23:18] if multiple Batmans were in movies at
[23:19] the same time. I I have debated that
[23:22] with James Gunn himself and he doesn't
[23:24] agree with me. But I just like yes,
[23:27] there are people who will just go see
[23:28] Batman and not care about the Penguin
[23:30] spin-off or the fact that it's a sequel
[23:32] or the fact that it's a new universe.
[23:33] They'll just buy a ticket to Batman
[23:34] because it's Batman. He's a character
[23:36] that is that popular.
[23:37] >> But I think to build a franchise, you
[23:39] you don't want that. You don't want
[23:40] confusion. You don't want like my mom to
[23:43] be like, "Wait, which I thought this
[23:44] other guy was Batman and now there's
[23:46] another Batman and which
[23:47] >> why is Batman old now? How many years
[23:48] has it been?"
[23:50] I think if you make the DCU Batman
[23:52] different enough, I I do think the
[23:53] general audience, especially with the
[23:55] multiverse and all that being so common
[23:56] place now, I I think they're smart
[23:58] enough to kind of catch on like, "Oh,
[24:00] that's a different one. Got it." But
[24:01] why? But why do that? But like, why do
[24:04] it? Like, why even risk the confusion or
[24:07] >> a full trilogy at this point? It's been
[24:09] six years between Batman movies.
[24:11] >> Like, are they actually gonna make a
[24:12] third movie?
[24:13] >> Dude, Lee and I did a video where I was
[24:15] Lee, I can't remember if you agreed with
[24:16] me, but I was calling for it. I was
[24:17] like, just cancel it at this point. I
[24:19] want the back hand, too. But either way,
[24:21] >> BUT LIKE PAINTER, PAINTER, GET OFF THE
[24:23] LADDER, MAN. DUDE, like what are we
[24:25] waiting on? [laughter]
[24:27] >> We always say where I'm going, where I'm
[24:28] from, [ __ ] or get off the pot. I've
[24:30] never heard painter get off the ladder.
[24:31] >> Well, I was going for [ __ ] or get off
[24:33] the pot, but I I sense it.
[24:34] >> No, Painter get off the ladder is
[24:35] better. It makes me think of Pepe Lew.
[24:37] It's fantastic. But, you know, Anna
[24:39] Nggerro, right? So, she did um she
[24:41] co-wrote this movie and DC apparently
[24:43] loves her work. You mentioned Brandon.
[24:44] She's she's attached to Wonder Woman now
[24:47] and Teen Titans which is a cool thing to
[24:49] hear. I don't know like do you know are
[24:51] they doing Teen Titans an animated deal
[24:53] or live action?
[24:54] >> There's actually I just I just before
[24:56] coming on here it's not going on my
[24:58] YouTube channel until
[25:00] >> like later in the middle of next week
[25:02] but I published it on my Patreon page. I
[25:04] did 40 minutes with her at the Supergirl
[25:06] junket and I 100% asked about Wonder
[25:09] Woman and Teen Titans. So, while I do
[25:12] wish all of you would go subscribe to my
[25:13] Patreon, I will give away the sauce
[25:15] right here to everybody who [laughter]
[25:16] hasn't listened. I mean, obvious there
[25:18] there wasn't much. She it was like the
[25:21] conversation was flowing so like it just
[25:23] felt like the most casual. She was so
[25:25] cool. She was so excited to talk about
[25:26] Supergirl. We talked about movies and
[25:28] stuff outside of Supergirl. And I said
[25:30] to her, I think the way I said it was
[25:32] like, "Hey, the streets are saying
[25:33] Wonder Woman." And she was like, "What?"
[25:36] And I was like, "And by the streets I
[25:37] mean the Hollywood trades." And she was
[25:39] just like, I don't know anything about
[25:40] that. And I was like, I don't believe
[25:42] you. I said, they're also saying Teen
[25:43] Titans. And she was like, I don't know
[25:45] anything about that. And I asked her,
[25:47] okay, so you know, that aside, is there
[25:49] a character you think would be fun to
[25:50] work on or see in the DC? And she said,
[25:51] Catwoman. So it was just like word. She
[25:55] did not want to touch Wonder Woman Teen
[25:57] Titans. And I heard similar from other
[25:59] people who interviewed her and asked
[26:01] her, we all are going to ask, "Hey,
[26:02] what's up with Wonder Woman when you get
[26:03] time?"
[26:04] >> Yeah. And I'm only saying what I'm
[26:06] saying because I literally just saw it
[26:07] on the internet. I will say this is
[26:08] interesting. I'm one degree separated
[26:10] from her. My wife just wrote a play
[26:12] called Camping that's about to go up in
[26:13] New York and the director has worked
[26:15] with Anna. So, we were just having like
[26:16] drinks like at their dinner break
[26:18] yesterday and she brought this up and I
[26:20] was like, "Hell, I hadn't even heard
[26:22] that because it hadn't been officially
[26:23] announced." I hope it's true. I mean,
[26:24] she's apparently a great playwright and
[26:27] uh the show went well, too. My wife's
[26:29] show Camping, it opened um had their
[26:32] first preview. It was great. I cried.
[26:33] It's fantastic time.
[26:35] >> Yeah, I it's it's crazy. I'm really Teen
[26:37] Titans, man. That's really exciting.
[26:39] That's the kind of thing I thought they
[26:40] would do way down the line after the
[26:42] main characters are introduced and you
[26:44] have the sidekicks like if they're still
[26:45] doing Brave and the Bold are is Tim
[26:47] Drake going to be in Teen Titans or is
[26:50] it going to be Dick Grayson and that's
[26:51] we're going to see him transition to
[26:52] Nightwing leaving room for Damian
[26:55] >> to step in? It's really exciting stuff.
[26:56] >> I think they would put Damian probably
[26:58] in Teen Titans if they're going to
[27:00] introduce
[27:00] >> No, I think they would if Well, no. I
[27:02] think that's the point of Brave and the
[27:04] Bold, though, is it's supposed to be
[27:05] about Bruce raising Damian, so they got
[27:07] to get his current Robin out of the way
[27:08] first.
[27:09] >> Out of the way. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.
[27:11] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a fun
[27:12] dynamic, too, when Damian shows up and
[27:14] Tim's still in the Batcave. Like, who
[27:15] the hell is this little murder monster?
[27:17] Brandon, you got to go. It's 2:30,
[27:18] right?
[27:18] >> I just I I I got like I guess they I'm
[27:21] supposed to get on a call. They haven't
[27:22] texted me that they're calling yet. So,
[27:23] I'll stay 10 more minutes.
[27:24] >> Just give us just give us one of these
[27:26] and we'll say,
[27:28] "Hey, hey, so uh
[27:29] >> give us the signal.
[27:30] >> Cool. I'll just put these on. I'll put
[27:32] these on and this means I'm back in.
[27:34] >> You'll become dark Brandon. Got it. Got
[27:35] it. Got it. So, look,
[27:37] >> let's get into the finance aspect,
[27:39] though, because it's really nice. And by
[27:40] the way, I I don't think I need to say
[27:42] this. James Gun has been here on the
[27:43] channel. His dog is a fan of my dog,
[27:46] which is insane. Um, I love James Gunn
[27:49] as a person, as a music fan, as a
[27:51] creator. So, none of this is a knock on
[27:52] the quality of the DCU. I'm worried
[27:54] about the Ellison's. So, here's what we
[27:57] know, and I'm sorry I don't have the
[27:59] source for this where where we know this
[28:02] from. Um, on March 10th, 2026, David
[28:05] Ellison visited the Warner Brothers lot
[28:07] to meet with executive producers,
[28:08] including Peter Saffron. One attendee
[28:10] described his meeting as peruncter and
[28:12] full of platitudes. Another said he was
[28:14] very theatrical, but he claimed to love
[28:16] DC. Ellison congratulated the WB team,
[28:19] saying, "You've made two of the best
[28:20] movies from last year. I won't tell you
[28:22] which ones." Many outlets pointed out
[28:24] that Gun dodged this meeting, but that's
[28:27] because he was filming in Atlanta, which
[28:28] I 100% believe.
[28:31] I'm worried the Ellison are going to
[28:32] come in anytime somebody buys something
[28:34] or a new boss or manager comes in, they
[28:37] always want to raise a leg on something.
[28:39] They'll come in and say, "Look, this may
[28:41] have been good enough for Zazlav because
[28:42] he was desperate and he was trying to
[28:44] compete with Marvel and the other thing
[28:45] didn't work, but now we're coming in,
[28:47] baby, and we want to Why are you doing
[28:49] things? Why aren't you doing Batman? You
[28:50] know, Aquaman made a billion dollars.
[28:52] How come you're not doing an Aquaman?
[28:54] Why? Where is Wonder Woman? Like they
[28:56] may be pushing for that and going, "Why
[28:58] is Green Lantern a TV show? It should be
[29:00] a big show." I I kind of feel like they
[29:03] would do that. What do you guys think?
[29:06] >> He hasn't done it with Paramount. He's
[29:07] done nothing with Paramount. So, I don't
[29:09] know. I feel like
[29:11] >> to buy Warner Brothers
[29:13] >> all they've done shut down Star Trek
[29:15] >> MCU
[29:16] >> like back in didn't Par is Paramount
[29:19] sold the MCU rights right when it was
[29:21] blowing up.
[29:22] >> Well, they didn't quite
[29:24] >> Yeah, I guess but Disney bought Marvel
[29:27] so and their deal expired after the
[29:28] Avengers. So, yeah, it's not like they
[29:30] sold them, but
[29:31] >> they weren't really given an option to
[29:33] fight for them.
[29:34] >> Oh, okay.
[29:34] >> I was gonna say like
[29:36] >> this to me seems very easily
[29:38] explainable. Like if I were gun in a
[29:40] meeting with the Ellison's why we
[29:42] wouldn't do Batman already have a Batman
[29:45] that though it's not the DCU in WB it's
[29:48] still in WB making money why are we
[29:51] going to interfere with that and maybe
[29:52] risk a flop
[29:54] >> lot of money
[29:55] >> um
[29:55] >> exactly and so though it is DCU verse
[30:00] the other DC properties of Warner
[30:03] Brothers I I don't think that the
[30:05] Ellison's would mess with any
[30:08] DC uh plans or properties within Warner
[30:12] Brothers because it seemed profitable so
[30:15] far and and Gun seems to have a path
[30:18] going forward. There is word of mouth
[30:20] and excitement about the stuff to come
[30:22] out of the DCU and other you know the
[30:26] Reeves crimes verse crimes verse. Um, so
[30:30] I I don't see that there would be any up
[30:33] in arms about DC not making money
[30:36] unless, you know,
[30:38] Supergirl flops, which I don't ever see
[30:41] happening, truthfully. So,
[30:43] >> well, let me throw this out. Let me Oh,
[30:45] go ahead, Brandon. Sorry.
[30:47] >> I mean, the the thing that comes to mind
[30:48] for me is like Steven Cobar. [snorts]
[30:52] Like, not that not that James Gunn is
[30:54] >> Yeah. some sort of outspoken person
[30:56] similarly to how Steven Cobar is in any
[30:58] sense.
[30:59] >> Not anymore.
[31:01] >> Not anymore.
[31:02] >> But uh I just think that the political
[31:04] alignment in the storytelling in the DC
[31:06] universe doesn't seem to be the same
[31:08] political alignment that we see from
[31:10] people at the top of Paramount. And
[31:12] could that be a factor? I hope not. I
[31:14] really really hope not. I
[31:15] >> I don't know what you're talking about.
[31:16] Is there some correlation between the
[31:18] villains in the DCU and real life
[31:20] people? I
[31:21] >> uh I'll take your Steven Colbear and
[31:24] I'll I'll raise you a Taylor Sheridan.
[31:26] He man what is little Ellison David
[31:29] Ellison? Is that the little one?
[31:31] >> Yeah, I think so. I can't I can never
[31:32] remember. I got to mix it up.
[31:34] >> He scared off Paramount's cash cow.
[31:37] Taylor Sheridan was their most valuable
[31:39] asset. I'd say probably even more
[31:40] valuable than Tom Cruz. And they scared
[31:43] him off. And to Brandon's point, it was
[31:45] because he got pushed to do a
[31:47] right-leaning show that was super
[31:50] political that he didn't want to do. And
[31:52] this is coming from a guy that already
[31:54] made shows that were rightwing coded for
[31:57] middle America. So, I I hope that David
[32:01] doesn't what like Yellowstone and
[32:04] >> Well, but they're they're Democrats in
[32:05] Yellowstone, though. Like the family are
[32:07] are all Democrats, which is interesting.
[32:09] But you're right. I think it is
[32:10] right-wing coded.
[32:12] No, he he runs as an independent. But
[32:14] anyway I
[32:15] >> No, there's a specific episode though
[32:17] where he says, "I would never vote for a
[32:18] Republican." It's like because I
[32:19] remember hearing that and going
[32:20] >> that's kind of weird for Yellowstone.
[32:21] Yeah. Anyways,
[32:22] >> I don't think James sounded like a super
[32:24] political person. I mean, I remember
[32:25] being at the like I I don't know if he
[32:27] he sure was. And I don't know if he's I
[32:28] assume he still has his beliefs,
[32:30] >> but I mean I remember being at the
[32:31] Superman trailer event and somebody as
[32:33] tried to set him up with a question
[32:34] about filming in Atlanta and just
[32:36] filming in Georgia and something had
[32:37] just happened in Georgia. I don't know.
[32:39] something's always happening in Georgia,
[32:40] in the southeast, all that. And he just
[32:42] said like he gave a very,
[32:44] >> in my opinion, fair answer, which was,
[32:46] >> look, I live in Georgia. I have a home
[32:48] in Georgia. We film in Georgia. We work
[32:50] with great people. I don't know my
[32:51] nextdoor neighbors politics, per se, but
[32:53] they're beautiful people who I get along
[32:54] with.
[32:55] >> I'm paraphrasing, but
[32:58] >> he's very political. when when we had
[33:00] him on here when we were I mean he just
[33:02] he toned it down and I think in a and
[33:04] does he goes about it a really smart way
[33:06] and doesn't try to shock people like
[33:07] when he was on here he talked about the
[33:10] correlations between himself and Auggie
[33:12] speech alt Auggie speech in season two
[33:15] of Peacemaker and he correlated it to
[33:17] his own life and not being able to do
[33:19] things so you donate to causes and you
[33:21] do what you can etc. So, I just think
[33:23] that's where he's at most.
[33:24] >> But he is James Gunn is so good at
[33:26] playing dumb because people will ask
[33:28] him, "Oh, did this scene in Superman
[33:31] parallel this scene?" And he'll kind of
[33:32] go,
[33:33] >> "Oh, is that is that what you took from
[33:35] that?"
[33:36] Like, he doesn't he doesn't like shove
[33:38] your face in it, but it's there like and
[33:40] he just like lets you know like, "Yeah,
[33:42] if that's what you're picking up." Okay.
[33:44] Yeah. No, I'm just telling
[33:45] >> it's like the disclaimer at the opening
[33:46] of South Park. All these celebrity
[33:48] voices have been impersonated poorly.
[33:50] you know, it's like you can't ever pin
[33:51] anything on them.
[33:52] >> Here's what's good news is I think that
[33:54] in about two and a half years, a certain
[33:57] person is going to be out of a certain
[33:59] job and we won't have to worry about it
[34:00] as much anymore because and I also think
[34:03] that certain person is far more focused
[34:05] on controlling what CNN puts out than
[34:08] what
[34:09] >> Superman says. You know what I mean?
[34:11] >> Don't think we're going to get
[34:12] Peacemaker the intro musical on the
[34:14] White House lawn for 25. [laughter]
[34:19] So, I'll throw this out there. You guys
[34:20] have convinced me of one thing, right?
[34:22] So,
[34:23] >> I don't actually know if the Ellison's
[34:25] care about making money. They have
[34:26] money. They didn't go out and buy two
[34:29] movie studios that were losing money in
[34:31] order to make money. They went out and
[34:33] bought movie studios because they want
[34:35] control and they want power. Now, when I
[34:37] say control, I don't necessarily mean
[34:39] controlling the hearts and minds of
[34:40] people. I think they like uh the little
[34:42] one, it's weird. I can never remember
[34:43] which one's which. David, I'm pretty
[34:45] sure is the younger one. David wanted
[34:48] control of the movie industry. He wants
[34:49] to be able to make the movies that he
[34:51] always wanted to make because he didn't
[34:52] like when Paramount would slam doors and
[34:54] on Sky Dance's face, right? So, he wants
[34:57] to do this and he likes a particular
[34:58] kind of movie and DC falls into those
[35:01] kinds of movies. So, again, I don't know
[35:03] that they would look at say Supergirl
[35:06] losing money. I think they would go,
[35:08] "Yeah, that was the last regime." But I
[35:09] do think they would say, "Yeah, but why
[35:11] are we doing movies like Supergirl? for
[35:13] doing DC, you know, we should do and if
[35:16] it's not Batman, it's something else
[35:17] that is more in line with the kind of
[35:19] movies that Sky Dance made, which for
[35:21] the most part were bad and didn't make
[35:23] money.
[35:24] >> Maybe James Gun can throw him a bone and
[35:25] let him do uh Elseorld's something.
[35:31] >> Maybe if he wants to be directly
[35:33] involved, I'm not sure. But that's what
[35:34] scares me the most is the idea that
[35:36] they're not profit motivated, that
[35:38] they're motivated simply by wanting to
[35:40] do something creative. I do think though
[35:42] this is not a guy who grew up reading
[35:44] comic books talking about you know the
[35:45] Ellison's they basically see this as
[35:48] like an important IP and an important
[35:50] arm but the stuff he wants to develop
[35:52] are probably I would be shocked if
[35:54] there's not a Matrix reboot like within
[35:57] five years whichowski is not involved I
[36:00] think that's 100% going to happen it's
[36:02] like the biggest most well-known IP they
[36:03] have outside of DC
[36:05] >> yeah I mean think about Disney getting
[36:07] Fox they that was largely a Disney plus
[36:10] play I think as Well, because they knew
[36:11] streaming was coming and they needed to
[36:13] have a full catalog.
[36:14] >> Yeah.
[36:15] >> You know, and then they, you know,
[36:16] Predator is back and The Simpsons are
[36:18] doing stuff every chance they can and
[36:20] things like that. So,
[36:21] >> I wouldn't be shocked if if a lot of the
[36:23] Warner Brothers properties start
[36:25] >> getting new life or or starting over,
[36:27] like you said, like The Matrix, for
[36:28] example, um, under Paramount. But, I
[36:31] don't know. I'm not I'm not super
[36:33] worried about DC, to be honest, though.
[36:34] I'm really not super worried about Gun
[36:36] and Saffron's DC Studios despite the
[36:40] studio change. Um because I think
[36:43] they've they've proved themselves and
[36:45] the brand is already so delicate given
[36:47] the track record that I think if you
[36:49] have it going in a good direction and
[36:51] you start over again, who coming in for
[36:53] that? like who
[36:55] >> is and they would have and they would
[36:57] have to start over because of the
[36:59] relationships that Gun forms with his
[37:01] people. If they if they uh screw over
[37:05] gun,
[37:05] >> corn sweat's gone.
[37:07] >> In like the height of cancel culture,
[37:10] actors went to bat for James Gunn. Like
[37:12] when when cancel culture meant everybody
[37:14] had to go as far away from that person
[37:16] as possible and abandon them,
[37:18] >> like the cast of Guardians was like, I
[37:20] don't give a [ __ ] I love sorry I don't
[37:21] know if I could curse on here but they
[37:23] essentially were like I I love this guy
[37:24] and I don't want to make another
[37:25] Guardians movie unless it's with him and
[37:27] I think that
[37:28] >> something about James Gunn the way he
[37:30] supports his actors the way he lets them
[37:32] do it makes them feel a part of
[37:33] something and makes them a part of
[37:35] something they don't want to do the
[37:37] anything that he gives them the first
[37:39] opportunity for unless it basically has
[37:40] his blessing where he's directly
[37:42] involved and I I completely respect
[37:44] that. So, I do think Yeah, you're right.
[37:46] If if if guns out, I I think everybody
[37:49] follows suit.
[37:51] >> For sure.
[37:51] >> Well, here's the thing.
[37:53] >> Oh, yeah. No, Saffron's definitely gone.
[37:55] That's his producing partner. Go ahead,
[37:56] >> Brandon. But I don't think they're going
[37:57] anywhere. I really don't. I think that
[37:59] at least for a long time, at least for
[38:01] like five years at least, I'd say,
[38:03] because Supergirl's here. This deal take
[38:07] a little bit longer. Lanterns is coming.
[38:09] Playface is done.
[38:10] >> Man of Tomorrow's halfway through,
[38:12] almost halfway through production.
[38:14] You'd have to really change course and
[38:16] just basically abandon these. I just
[38:18] >> within five years though, the Justice
[38:20] League will have been out and that's the
[38:21] ultimate test. Can it make more than the
[38:23] box office of the Justice League? I
[38:25] within five years.
[38:27] >> I don't think so.
[38:28] >> I just want him
[38:30] >> I just want him to finish his Superman.
[38:32] What does he call it? It's like four
[38:33] films. It's
[38:35] >> his Superman.
[38:35] >> Superman family. Oh yeah, the Superman
[38:38] family. So
[38:39] >> I kind of feel like it might be within
[38:42] five years. I don't know because there's
[38:43] things that are kind of getting a little
[38:45] bit more fast-tracked like Wonder Woman
[38:47] and I'm curious if other members of the
[38:49] Justice League are also start you know
[38:51] like at first they were like oh we're
[38:52] going to do you know Paradise Lost and
[38:54] the Civil War and theme this Game of
[38:56] Thrones type show and then now all of a
[38:57] sudden it's no we're going I I think
[38:59] they might I think behind the scenes
[39:01] they might be looking at it and going
[39:03] >> oh actually we just got a great pitch
[39:05] for this and for that. I think he
[39:07] definitely wants to finish his Superman
[39:09] movies. I'm sure James Gunn is gonna do
[39:11] Just Justice League, but I think it
[39:12] might come within five years for sure.
[39:13] >> I mean, you've got a point that what
[39:15] Avengers was four years after Iron Man.
[39:17] So, yeah. I mean, yeah.
[39:19] >> I just I don't think
[39:23] five years from now, we are what in the
[39:26] midst of or just after the Marvel reboot
[39:30] like the Secret Wars coming off the
[39:32] heels of that.
[39:33] >> Oh, years after that. Yeah,
[39:35] >> few years after that. I don't
[39:38] see people wanting to experience the
[39:42] same thing, if you know what I mean. I
[39:44] feel like coming off of Secret Wars, we
[39:46] just had these big
[39:49] like Avengers movies, these big teamup
[39:52] movies. I don't think that having Just
[39:54] Justice League come out at that time,
[39:56] another big teamup movie.
[39:59] That doesn't seem like a big draw to the
[40:01] audience in my opinion. I as a comic fan
[40:04] like I feel like I would be
[40:07] >> a bit fatigued by that. I don't know.
[40:10] >> Well, no. Lee, think about your timeline
[40:11] though because Avengers: Secret Wars
[40:13] comes out in 2027.
[40:14] >> Yeah.
[40:14] >> And then the reboot or whatever is in is
[40:17] in 2028. I'm talking about a Justice
[40:18] League movie.
[40:20] >> 2026, guys. Sorry.
[40:22] >> That's okay.
[40:23] >> Yeah, it's
[40:25] >> Yeah,
[40:25] >> I get worse. We do have some super chats
[40:28] to get through and super chats as always
[40:30] are encouraged but not required. We'll
[40:31] get to those in a second. But I will say
[40:33] this, like I you guys keep saying, well,
[40:35] they wouldn't start over. They wouldn't
[40:36] start over. Gum would be gone. Saff.
[40:37] Yeah, they would be gone, but I don't
[40:39] think that they would necessarily want
[40:40] to start over. I think that and maybe WB
[40:43] wouldn't fall for this twice, but man,
[40:44] Zack Snider's Instagram is still full of
[40:49] Justice League stuff. He's still, these
[40:51] are not old posts. He is still posting
[40:54] this stuff. I really think if they went
[40:57] to Zack Snyder and I think he would do
[40:58] this for personal reasons and they were
[41:00] like, "Hey, I know you're working on the
[41:02] Rebel Moon cinematic universe, but if
[41:03] you want to put that down for a second
[41:05] and work on how would you like to
[41:07] fulfill your Justice League trilogy, I
[41:09] think he would jump at it." I don't know
[41:10] if Warner Brothers would actually think,
[41:13] yeah, there's a market for that after
[41:14] the Who Gives a [ __ ] reception of the SN
[41:16] cut. But again, we're not talking about
[41:18] Warner Brothers. We're talking about the
[41:20] Ellison's and we're talking about the
[41:21] kind of movies that they personally want
[41:23] to see.
[41:25] I just think you can always count on
[41:26] people to do the dumbest thing possible,
[41:28] which is why I'm worried.
[41:30] >> Mimoa wouldn't do it. I don't think
[41:31] Affleck would do it.
[41:33] >> The cast I don't think the cast is
[41:35] doing.
[41:36] >> I I think I look I am a fan of Zack
[41:39] Snder and sometimes like each passing
[41:42] day it does get a little bit harder
[41:45] >> Zack Snder on the internet.
[41:46] >> I am a fan of Zack Snder 100%.
[41:47] >> And the internet thinks I hate Zack
[41:49] Snider's work. I I'm a huge dude. I
[41:51] think I love a lot of Zack Snider stuff
[41:53] and I like even the stuff that people
[41:55] say is shitty and sometimes it actually
[41:56] is shitty more than a lot of other
[41:57] people anyway. Uh like dude, Army of the
[42:00] Dead. Love that movie.
[42:01] >> Dawn of the Dead
[42:03] >> Army of the Dead is one of my it might
[42:05] be my favorite Zack Snider movie after
[42:08] >> of of BBS. And I mean even Zack Snider's
[42:11] Justice League. That thing was way too
[42:13] long, but I really liked it a lot. I'm
[42:14] not here to lie about it.
[42:15] >> It was really good.
[42:17] >> Dawn of the Dead. I don't know who in
[42:19] their right mind he thought he was to
[42:21] try to put a 4-hour movie in theaters
[42:22] because that was never going to happen.
[42:23] I don't care what IP you're working on,
[42:25] >> but it was still really good. Um, but
[42:28] that said, I also think this dude is an
[42:30] actual genius because he just
[42:32] understands his audience.
[42:34] >> He is working these people so well. Like
[42:37] he knows he is keeping his engagement
[42:39] up. He is keeping people riled up. You
[42:41] can have a abysmal flop like Rebel Moon.
[42:44] I'll be honest, that is probably one of
[42:46] my least favorite Zack Snider things
[42:47] ever is Rebel Moon. I really didn't care
[42:49] for it. Parts of it were dope.
[42:52] >> Oh, no. It's so bad. It It kind of like
[42:55] redefineses bad. I still haven't seen
[42:56] the second one.
[42:57] >> That's a fair statement to say that it's
[43:00] really bad.
[43:02] >> But looks amazing. Like there's visuals
[43:05] in that that just blow me the hell away.
[43:07] But
[43:08] >> yeah, and he's not he's not out here
[43:09] posting Rebel Moon throwback photos
[43:11] because I think he's like, "Well, that's
[43:13] come and gone." Whatever. I don't even
[43:14] know. I I am honestly not up to date on
[43:17] the Rebel Moon news cycle. If there's
[43:20] actually more of those that he's trying
[43:21] to do, I have no idea. It sounds like
[43:23] it's done. But I just the photos he
[43:26] posts, I think he's incredibly smart. I
[43:28] think he does love the characters. And I
[43:30] think pair that with he knows how to
[43:32] work the audience to keep the engagement
[43:33] and keep the like just relevance through
[43:36] some of that because it's his biggest
[43:38] thing he's done. And I'm a fan. I love
[43:39] Man of Steel and I think he's he's doing
[43:42] it tomorrow. It's just like what?
[43:43] >> Hey, next week do you want to come on
[43:44] and defend it? We're going to have a a
[43:46] [ __ ] brewhaha about that movie. We're
[43:48] going to start we want to do a thing
[43:49] where we bring up old movies on here.
[43:51] That's too bad. Colton's gonna be the
[43:52] lone defender. It would have been good
[43:53] to have had you.
[43:54] >> I gotta I gotta pop out. Man of Steel
[43:56] does deserve the signal being hated on.
[43:59] I want to say as I go if anybody want is
[44:01] interested I'm giving away this uh Lobo
[44:04] fine art print by Alex Garner Jason
[44:07] Mamoa interview it's totally sold out I
[44:09] think it's like a hundred bucks I want
[44:11] to keep it but I promise side I'd do a
[44:12] giveaway for it
[44:13] >> so on my YouTube channel on the Jason
[44:15] Mamoa interview the top comment on
[44:17] Supergirl's opening day I'm going to
[44:19] it's US only so sorry I'm not a
[44:20] bazillionaire to me I'm not Elon Musk
[44:22] with a trillion dollars uh I got to I
[44:24] got to keep the shipping reasonable um
[44:26] but yeah so anyway man of steel is right
[44:29] in DC universe. I don't think it's going
[44:30] anywhere.
[44:31] >> All right. I hope you're right about I
[44:33] hope you're half right there. I'll talk
[44:34] to you later, Brandon. Thanks so much.
[44:35] We'll have Brandon's YouTube channel
[44:37] linked below later on. Thank you.
[44:39] >> All right. There goes Brandon. So, let's
[44:41] uh let's let the real man talk now,
[44:42] guys. What a day. What [laughter] a
[44:44] terrible human. We all knew this day
[44:47] would come when Brandon would abandon
[44:49] us. Let's get to a couple super chats.
[44:51] Um I'm curious what everybody has to
[44:53] say. I know this like restore the Snider
[44:55] verse thing, it's a hashtag that's so
[44:56] tired. it. Um, it it seems like a joke
[45:00] at this point, but again, even if some
[45:01] of the cast didn't want to return, I
[45:03] feel like Caval, he's doing other [ __ ]
[45:05] but he got the rug jerk from out jerked
[45:07] out from under him. Maybe Affleck
[45:09] doesn't want to come back, but maybe
[45:10] they could recast. Like, there's other
[45:12] Ezra Miller, I'm sure, would love to
[45:14] come back. And hell, even Mimoa, I think
[45:17] he'd rather play Lobo than Aquaman.
[45:19] Yeah.
[45:19] >> But he also feels a lot of loyalty to
[45:22] Zack Snyder. You know, Galgadot, they
[45:24] all do. He pulled them some of them out
[45:26] of relative obscurity and made them into
[45:29] big box office worldwide stars. Um, go
[45:32] ahead.
[45:32] >> I think GDAU would do it. I think Caval
[45:34] would do it. I think
[45:36] >> Ezra would do it.
[45:38] >> I don't No chance Affleck would.
[45:40] >> Yeah. And what about Cyborg? Didn't he
[45:43] have a falling out?
[45:44] >> Ray Fischer would. Oh, no. Ray Fischer
[45:46] would be the first to sign up to do it.
[45:48] Yeah, he 100% would come back.
[45:49] >> Yeah. Um, Michael Rodini gave us $5 and
[45:52] said, "I'm way more excited for the
[45:53] Gunverse than most Marvel projects these
[45:55] days." Come on, soft reboot.
[45:58] >> Yeah, who would have thought? I mean, in
[46:01] 2013 or let's even say 2016, which in
[46:05] some ways was like the Apex and the
[46:06] Nater of the Snider versse and you had
[46:08] Marvel coming out with like Civil War
[46:10] and Promising Spider-Man and Black
[46:12] Panther. what these past 10 years hath
[46:15] wrought, my friends, that it would have
[46:18] turned like that.
[46:20] >> You broke up a little on my end there at
[46:22] the end, but yeah, I
[46:24] >> I'm really
[46:24] >> It throws up on me, too. Yeah.
[46:26] >> Oh, okay. I I'm glad that DC is back on
[46:29] its feet, and I I think that Gun is
[46:32] really the only I won't say the only one
[46:34] that could have done it, but one of the
[46:35] few that could have pulled it off.
[46:37] >> A short list.
[46:39] >> I think Marvel and DC feel the same way
[46:40] about that. I think for both of them in
[46:42] the movie industry they think a rising
[46:44] tide raises all ships whereas in the
[46:46] comic industry there is literally a
[46:49] limited amount of shelf space. So th
[46:51] that rivalry is actually traditionally
[46:53] way more heated. You even go back to the
[46:55] 1930s and 40s when like the mob was
[46:57] involved and they were like burning down
[46:58] news stands for you know carrying the
[47:00] wrong like it it was a wild wild west
[47:02] kind of period
[47:04] >> uh down in the lower east side. But now
[47:06] in the movie industry they all want to
[47:08] succeed. They all want everything to do
[47:10] well. so different for movies because if
[47:12] you go see a shitty Marvel movie, you
[47:14] don't want to go see that next DC movie
[47:15] and vice versa. You're like, I didn't
[47:17] have a fun time last time I saw a comic
[47:18] book movie. I'm kind of over that.
[47:20] >> I wonder how much MorbiiUs and those
[47:22] Sony movies hurt the Marvel brand if it
[47:25] was more
[47:25] >> I think enough that Marvel could file a
[47:28] suit [laughter] like Mike.
[47:29] >> Honest to God, thought they would. We
[47:31] had Mike on. Um,
[47:33] >> by the way, Mike, you know, Mike Mike
[47:34] Doug's attorney sent me a great standup.
[47:36] I'll tell you guys, he he sent me a
[47:38] standup bit about being on this YouTube
[47:40] channel and like defending the idea of a
[47:41] black Indiana Jones uh to a friend and
[47:43] it it's a great bit. I wish I had a clip
[47:44] up to show you guys. He's a great comic.
[47:46] But anyways, uh Mike um made that point
[47:51] about Sorry, I got distracted. I was
[47:52] thinking about Mike's bit. We were
[47:53] talking about
[47:54] >> Sony films and if Marvel could sue
[47:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. He made that point. He came
[47:57] on in a legal capacity and talked about
[47:59] how Marvel could actually sue them for
[48:02] Madam Web because it was so bad and like
[48:04] demean the Marvel brand so much. Well,
[48:05] it's brand information and they try to
[48:08] pretend it's in the MCU, so they have a
[48:10] direct connection like you were trying
[48:11] to pretend you're in our franchise when
[48:13] you're not.
[48:14] >> Like, yeah,
[48:15] >> I think they misrepresented to the
[48:16] actors, too, because they all like
[48:18] Marvel Studios in their Instagram posts,
[48:20] which is
[48:22] >> everything about that movie is such a
[48:23] cluster [ __ ] It's incredible. Like,
[48:26] watch
[48:26] >> they should have sued and said, "We'll
[48:28] settle for the rights back."
[48:31] >> Yeah. No, that's the kind of settlement
[48:33] only Elon Musk has enough money to pay
[48:35] for that.
[48:37] >> Sony also with their uh Spiderverse lack
[48:41] of Spider-Man thereof.
[48:43] >> Um I think ruined like you were saying
[48:47] earlier Ryan with DC being like do other
[48:51] characters than Supergirl. I think Sony
[48:53] ruined that ability for other franchises
[48:56] genuinely
[48:57] >> because
[48:59] when you like I was gonna say what other
[49:02] characters would you do if they're not
[49:03] doing Batman
[49:05] Wonder Woman I get but Aquaman is that
[49:09] going to be a marquee movie nowadays
[49:10] like Green Arrow the Flash
[49:13] >> Aquaman wasn't a marquee movie the
[49:15] second one you didn't
[49:17] >> and so it's like I I feel like now
[49:19] coming off the heels of the Sony verse
[49:22] and the something to do about Spider-Man
[49:25] of it all. I don't think that any studio
[49:28] would take a chance on their like well
[49:30] maybe we could make a connected universe
[49:32] of these when you can just wait to use
[49:35] Batman later down the line and focus on
[49:38] characters that maybe are in and out of
[49:40] the Justice League more than in the
[49:42] Justice League full time.
[49:45] >> I hope so. Again, if I think it's a
[49:47] brand a quality a brand name quality
[49:49] issue when it comes to DC and Marvel and
[49:52] they're very slowly and one thing I
[49:54] think that is really going to help the
[49:55] DCU is just Zack Snder did them a favor
[49:59] by making his universe so very distinct
[50:01] visually and toning down the saturation
[50:04] in an effort to make it look different
[50:05] from Marvel. And again, every project's
[50:07] going to be different, but you look at
[50:08] Superman and Supergirl, and even
[50:10] Supergirl is a bit darker, and that
[50:11] color palette, you can easily identify
[50:13] it as something directly.
[50:15] >> I mean, Superman is a James Gun film
[50:18] through and through, like like
[50:20] designwise as well. Everything about it
[50:22] stylistically is James Gun, but uh
[50:25] Supergirl, not at all. To like totally
[50:28] different, visually different. Mhm.
[50:31] >> Um, Inguava, I think is how you
[50:33] pronounce it, gave us $2 and said, "The
[50:35] Ellison just green lit the UFC cinematic
[50:37] universe."
[50:39] >> That whole thing. Arman gave us five
[50:42] pounds and said, "I think Spider-Man
[50:43] will be the only superhero thing to be a
[50:45] massive hit this year. Not Supergirl,
[50:48] not Doomsday. Spider-Man will never not
[50:49] be a hit." I disagree. We've seen
[50:51] Spider-Man not be a massive hit. I think
[50:53] Doomsday is going to make enough money
[50:55] to buy SpaceX. I think Spider-Man is
[50:58] going to be a massive hit,
[50:59] >> but so is Doomsday. And I think
[51:01] Supergirl in context will be a massive
[51:04] hit.
[51:05] >> You made a face will be a massive hit. I
[51:09] want to make sure that's clear. Yeah.
[51:10] Okay.
[51:10] >> Yeah. I think they make a billion at
[51:12] least. Probably.
[51:13] >> Oh, yeah. Doomsday. Yeah. I think two
[51:16] billion.
[51:17] >> I won't go into all that.
[51:18] >> The Doom thing is weird, though. It's
[51:20] very weird that Dune is sticking to that
[51:22] date. If I were Warner Brothers,
[51:25] >> I would run for the Hills. I'd be like,
[51:26] "Why are we putting this out?" I mean, I
[51:28] guess they have to put it out this year
[51:29] because for like balancing budget issues
[51:32] or whatever, but
[51:33] >> put it out in March like they did the
[51:35] last one. Make it like on the
[51:36] anniversary. And I don't know. To me,
[51:38] that makes sense. Like competing with
[51:41] the biggest Marvel movie in
[51:43] >> a decade. Doomsday should do a thing, a
[51:46] cool marketing thing where we go back to
[51:48] the live ticking Doomsday clock and
[51:50] there's some kind of
[51:52] and they move it up a week so that the
[51:54] first week of Doomsday can have the IMAX
[51:56] screens. I don't know why they aren't
[51:58] doing that.
[51:58] >> Do you have any idea how much I want
[52:00] them to do that? Like having it that
[52:02] close to Christmas really hurts me.
[52:04] >> Michael Rodini gave us $5. Sorry, real
[52:06] quick. And said starting with Batman, I
[52:08] think it would have set the universe too
[52:09] dark. meaning the Batman. I think Gun is
[52:12] focus, excuse me, focusing on keeping it
[52:14] fun first again. Yeah, he would have
[52:16] relied on another filmmaker to set the
[52:18] vision for his universe. So, yeah,
[52:19] >> I think he's focusing on keeping it good
[52:21] first. Like, I I don't know that there's
[52:23] necessarily like a tone. Superman is
[52:25] going to have a different tone than
[52:26] Batman. And I hope I was a little
[52:27] disappointed when I heard James Gun say
[52:29] in an interview, "No, my Batman's not
[52:31] going to be kind of goofy and jokey."
[52:33] >> I was kind of hoping for an older Batman
[52:35] with a Damian Wayne that he is training.
[52:38] There's comedy gold there to do with
[52:40] Batman without making him corny. So, I
[52:42] do kind of hope they do that to make him
[52:44] different than the patents in Batman.
[52:46] But Brandon mentioned something earlier
[52:48] and I think it was based off your
[52:50] question, Ryan, about how the Ellison's
[52:52] might want like the surefire thing of a
[52:54] Batman movie right now to make that
[52:56] money up.
[52:57] >> I think it's like comparing like
[53:00] long-term growth stock mutual fund
[53:03] investing versus like single stocks
[53:05] trading.
[53:06] >> Yeah. High risk. High risk. Yeah, what
[53:08] Gun is doing is going to make the money
[53:11] in the long run. Like, it's almost a
[53:12] sure thing.
[53:14] >> If you just start, oh, boom, boom, boom.
[53:15] Oh, we're going to do Batman. Oh, we're
[53:17] going to do Batman vs. Superman. Seeing
[53:18] how that works. We're going to do
[53:19] Justice League right now. Saw how that
[53:21] worked. It's a big gamble.
[53:23] >> Let's get The Rock. Give it to the Rock.
[53:24] Let The Rock, you know, be be our main
[53:26] guy. We need a movie star. We need
[53:27] Robert Downey Jr. Make the Rock.
[53:28] >> See what the Rock's cooking. Oh, he
[53:30] burned it. [laughter]
[53:33] C7459 gave us a very generous $10 and
[53:36] said Paramount's taking on a lot of debt
[53:38] and have foreign investors who want to
[53:40] see a return on their money. This is all
[53:42] very very true. There was even rumors
[53:45] that some of the Arabian interests one
[53:47] of the Snyder grocery store which I
[53:48] think are [ __ ] rumors.
[53:50] >> The amount of money pay
[53:52] >> my fear is that they will take the Bob
[53:54] Iger approach and start publishing
[53:56] everything on bit IP. Sorry Colton go
[53:58] ahead. the amount of money that they
[54:00] have to pay uh after I think this month
[54:02] for every day that this uh merger is
[54:04] delayed with New York and California's
[54:07] lawsuit because just because it was
[54:09] approved by the the whatever at the
[54:11] federal level,
[54:11] >> the Justice Department. Yeah.
[54:12] >> Yeah. These lawsuits are still going to
[54:15] kick the can down the road before it can
[54:16] close and they are already in serious
[54:18] debt. I forget the name of the whatever
[54:20] the credit agency is or whatever.
[54:22] >> How much is it costing them?
[54:24] >> Was it like 7 million a day or
[54:26] something?
[54:27] >> A day. I could have that figure wrong,
[54:30] but I'm pretty sure that's right.
[54:31] >> Oh my god. Yeah.
[54:33] >> And
[54:33] >> wow.
[54:34] >> Maybe it was I now I'm second guessing
[54:37] myself, but anyway, it was a lot. And
[54:38] they're already in horrible, horrible,
[54:40] horrible debt. They're already
[54:42] overpaying. And that credit agency, I
[54:45] can't remember the name of it. They
[54:46] there have already been talks of them
[54:48] lowering their um whatever their like
[54:51] credibility as a business
[54:53] >> to like a um nonsafe thing to invest in
[54:57] kind of thing. Yeah. So
[55:00] >> damn
[55:01] >> I think
[55:01] >> they wanted it though. They wanted it.
[55:03] The thing is I don't think Paramount
[55:04] would have ever really done it for them.
[55:06] I think they needed I think they had a
[55:07] plan and that Warner Brothers had to be
[55:09] a part of it. But it I don't think they
[55:11] counted on how partisan how they thought
[55:14] going partisan would just aid them and
[55:15] they didn't really think about
[55:17] >> the push back they were gonna get from
[55:19] the other side. And also like it sucks
[55:21] like all the all the political stuff
[55:23] aside having this many major studios
[55:25] combined into one studio is bad for us
[55:28] as movie fans. It produces monopolies.
[55:30] You start getting uh more monolithic
[55:32] type of movies. You don't get diversity
[55:34] in the kind of films that we get to see.
[55:36] What's going to be funny is when they go
[55:38] bankrupt and Netflix comes in and buys
[55:40] it all
[55:41] >> for a Warner Brothers and I don't want
[55:44] Netflix to buy them either. I don't
[55:45] know. Monty Gave us $5 and said people
[55:47] always want the Snider versse back. I
[55:48] say bring back the Donner verse. Give
[55:50] Doug smooch for me. Hey, my head cannon,
[55:52] my dream movie, not that I support AI,
[55:55] but the one kind of AI thing I think I
[55:57] would like that I would be interested in
[55:59] if it could ever be good is Michael
[56:01] Keaton meeting Christopher Ree, right? I
[56:03] never want someone to actually make
[56:04] that. But when you talk about your dream
[56:06] movies that never got to happen, that's
[56:08] the movie I wish I could have seen.
[56:10] >> There is a really cool shot of them
[56:12] shaking hands.
[56:14] >> Yeah,
[56:14] >> I've seen super cuts where people make
[56:16] them, you know, you cut to one side and
[56:18] the other
[56:19] >> in the in the Nicholas Cage Superman
[56:21] movie, Death of Superman, they were
[56:23] going to have a sequence where when he
[56:25] dies, Batman comes up on this giant uh
[56:29] what are the big screens in the city
[56:30] called? uh whatever uh jumbotron or
[56:33] whatever he comes up on that and says
[56:34] like you're it's Michael Keaton's Batman
[56:36] saying your hero has fallen and that but
[56:38] I will you know help protect um
[56:41] >> that's Metropolis in this time
[56:43] >> yeah it was yes it wasith Kevin Smith's
[56:46] definitive movie was he's talked about
[56:48] this was Batman like to him that was
[56:50] like
[56:50] >> and you can see it in his early films
[56:51] they he references that movie all the
[56:52] time Phila from Down Under gave us three
[56:54] pounds or three Australian dollars sorry
[56:56] and said thanks for another great show
[56:57] Pats for Doug you got it and Angel man
[57:00] Freddy gave two bucks and said DCU
[57:02] having trouble. I blame bricks and mini
[57:04] figs. Way over my head. Don't know
[57:07] anything about it. Don't know if I
[57:09] >> That's what I was talking about this
[57:10] morning Ryan.
[57:12] >> I know. I wasn't paying attention. I was
[57:14] working while you young people were
[57:15] talking about this.
[57:16] >> I know what you're talking about. Shout
[57:18] out. They Yeah, they stole those Legos.
[57:20] [laughter]
[57:21] >> They stole those Legos.
[57:24] And also, Brandon mentioned this
[57:26] earlier, but Mr. Terrific is in
[57:28] Fortnite. But what happens after 10
[57:30] days? No one knows. And finally, Qman
[57:33] WPG gave us five Canadian dollars and
[57:36] said, not finally, there's one more. Hey
[57:38] gents, I think we're forgetting the
[57:39] hierarchy of the DC universe could
[57:41] change if Supergirl flops. I hope it
[57:43] doesn't. Black Adam was awful. Black
[57:45] Adam just also wasn't thought through
[57:47] very well. I mean, Black Adam, I'm
[57:48] sorry, is not a Marquee standalone hero.
[57:50] He's kind of interesting, but only
[57:51] juxtaposed with Shazam. So, the fact
[57:53] that Dwayne Johnson was like, "No, I'm
[57:55] not going to get my ass beat by another
[57:57] hero unless it's Superman," was really
[57:59] dumb and isn't paying attention to the
[58:00] comics.
[58:01] >> What does Supergirl have to make for you
[58:03] guys to call it a flop? I'm going to say
[58:04] if it makes under
[58:07] 325, then you could probably call it a
[58:10] flop. But I think that
[58:12] >> I would say under 200. If it's like in
[58:14] the Marvel's range,
[58:16] >> um that's that's kind of where
[58:19] >> that ain't good. But that's what's so
[58:21] weird about the the worldwide box office
[58:23] projections. And maybe it's because I
[58:25] don't know what its market is in China,
[58:26] but China post pandemic has made a big
[58:28] effort to make their own extremely huge
[58:31] blockbusters and not to rely on western
[58:33] stuff. It's also one of the reasons Fast
[58:34] and the Furious has Yeah, it's one of
[58:36] the reasons The Fast and the Furious is
[58:38] not doing so well because it relied on
[58:40] global box office and that's just been
[58:42] scaled back uh since the pandemic. But
[58:45] anyways, um I don't know. Yeah, that's
[58:48] kind of where my head is. I hope it
[58:49] makes 300.
[58:50] >> I take back 350. I think anything under
[58:52] 300
[58:54] >> flop or you could argue flop.
[58:57] >> I I think it's going to make between two
[58:58] and three. And again, I don't think art
[59:00] should be measured by finance. I'm just
[59:01] saying,
[59:02] >> yeah,
[59:02] >> in terms of this universe getting to
[59:04] continue on.
[59:05] >> And it's a great point about those
[59:06] foreign investors who want a return on
[59:08] their money. But then again, Oracle is
[59:10] worth so much damn money, like a
[59:13] ridiculous amount. that's um
[59:16] >> I think that it is kind of secured not
[59:20] to flop. Just like the DC of it aside,
[59:23] we're also kind of seeing a mini theater
[59:25] boom after Obsession and Back Rooms.
[59:28] >> Um and all like
[59:30] >> I think a lot of more people are going
[59:32] to the theater, especially with AMC
[59:35] Alist and all of the new theater
[59:37] subscription services. I think that it
[59:40] would be highly unlikely for this to
[59:44] flop. Like I I genuinely
[59:48] can't see unless it's just bad. But I
[59:51] everything that's come out from it uh
[59:54] doesn't look bad. I know Colton, you and
[59:56] I you and I disagree on the coloring. Um
[59:59] but aside from that, everything I've
[60:01] really enjoyed, but I know that I'm not
[60:04] every audience member ever. But I mean I
[60:07] don't know just based on theater uh
[60:09] theater going recently for movies like
[60:12] >> like back rooms and obsession
[60:15] specifically such indie unknown movies
[60:18] had such a huge amount of theater
[60:22] turnover just because of word of mouth.
[60:24] When you have Supergirl
[60:25] >> Supergirl everyone knows who that is.
[60:27] You have a picture of blonde girl
[60:29] wearing this like
[60:30] >> you're going to go to the theater to see
[60:32] that. Yeah. It's It's so much an easier
[60:34] cell than uh you break a twig and and
[60:36] the girls in love with you or there's a
[60:38] bunch of yellow hallways. Like, you know
[60:40] what I mean?
[60:41] >> Yeah.
[60:42] >> As long as Hollywood's wanting to turn
[60:43] YouTube channels into movies, we're
[60:45] here. We got a whole cast. Everybody's
[60:46] got a fun nickname, we're we're there,
[60:48] guys. We can shoot, right? Everything.
[60:51] >> I think Supergirl looks great. I I do
[60:53] think it looks a little flat and like
[60:55] shot, but yeah, I think the movie itself
[60:57] looks great and I think nine out of 10
[60:59] people won't give a [ __ ] about, oh,
[61:00] well, the lighting looked a little flat.
[61:02] No, that's just me bitching. But yeah,
[61:04] >> we've got Sorry, Colton. We got one more
[61:06] comment. You're going to like this. GH
[61:08] Isaiah gave us $2 and said, "Can we not
[61:09] cut Colton off left and right?" Lol. I'm
[61:11] sorry I was cutting you off. I was
[61:13] trying to read the super chat. And
[61:14] ironically, the person's pointing this
[61:15] out in a super chat, but I had to cut
[61:17] you off to read. I'm really sorry about
[61:18] that. I don't do it on purpose.
[61:20] >> Half of it's me cutting in, so don't
[61:22] [laughter] worry.
[61:23] >> It's all good. It's all good. Uh, can
[61:24] you guys stick around after we uh sign
[61:26] off here for a second to go over a
[61:27] couple things?
[61:28] >> No.
[61:29] >> Oh, please. Okay, we got to wrap it up
[61:31] there. Uh Lee, thanks for joining us,
[61:33] Colton. Um you can find Colton on his
[61:35] own channel or here on this channel.
[61:36] Lee's links are all down below. And we
[61:38] want to hear from you guys. What do you
[61:40] think about uh the DCU? Do you think if
[61:43] Supergirl flops, it's in trouble? Do you
[61:45] think the Ellison's are going to want to
[61:46] step in and restore the Snider versse?
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