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title: 'If Supergirl Flops, will WB Restore the SnyderVerse?'
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date: 2026-07-01
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# If Supergirl Flops, will WB Restore the SnyderVerse?

> Source: [If Supergirl Flops, will WB Restore the SnyderVerse?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=d0WQNHpX0mo)

## Summary

The panel discusses the box office prospects of Supergirl, which is tracking at $51 million domestic opening, and debates whether a potential flop could lead the new Paramount/Warner Bros. owners to restore the SnyderVerse. They analyze James Gunn's strategy of prioritizing quality over immediate box office and the challenges of building a DCU without Batman.

### Key Points

- **Supergirl Tracking** [00:24] — Supergirl's domestic opening weekend is tracking at $51 million, below The Flash's opening.
- **Warner Bros. Acquisition** [00:49] — The Justice Department approved a $111 billion acquisition of Warner Bros. by Paramount (Ellison family).
- **Box Office Theory Estimate** [03:29] — Box Office Theory estimates Supergirl will make around $65 million domestically opening weekend.
- **The Batman's Success** [03:51] — The Batman made $772 million worldwide, setting a high bar for DC films.
- **Word of Mouth Key** [04:14] — Brandon Davis says week one is guaranteed $45 million, but week two depends entirely on word of mouth.
- **Brand Over Box Office** [07:00] — Colton argues that reestablishing the brand and putting out a quality film is more important than immediate box office numbers.
- **Black Adam Performance** [08:02] — Black Adam opened at over $60 million but only grossed $393 million worldwide, considered a failure.
- **Superhero Appetite Shift** [13:29] — Audience appetite for superhero movies has decreased; a film like Fantastic Four now makes half of what it would have six years ago.
- **Gunn's Priority** [17:04] — Brandon says James Gunn's number one goal is putting out beloved, critically acclaimed projects, not chasing box office.
- **Why No Batman Yet** [19:35] — Lee argues against an early DCU Batman to avoid constant comparison with Robert Pattinson's Batman from Matt Reeves' universe.
- **Ellison Concerns** [27:54] — Ryan worries the Ellisons (new owners) might interfere with DCU strategy, wanting more proven IP like Batman immediately.
- **Loyalty to Gunn** [37:51] — If James Gunn were removed, many cast members and talent would likely follow him, making a reboot difficult.
- **Flop Threshold** [58:01] — Panel agrees that if Supergirl earns under $300 million worldwide, it could be considered a flop.

### Conclusion

Supergirl's box office performance will be a key indicator for the DCU's future under James Gunn and new studio ownership. The panel remains cautiously optimistic, emphasizing that long-term brand building outweighs short-term financial returns.

## Transcript

Rewind.
>> Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I
am your host, Ryan Ary. And today, I
don't know. I'm worried. I'm just going
to throw it right out there right off
the bat. I am actually worried about two
different things. One, um, Supergirl
looks like it's great. It's based on one
of my favorite all-time comic books,
Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. It's got a
great writer, uh, great director. It
looks fantastic. and the box office
tracking is at 51 million domestic
opening weekend which would be below the
Flash. So even in this age of kind of
like post superhero blitz where maybe
we're suffering some people are
suffering from superhero fatigue. Um
maybe it just means the DCU isn't
clicking with people the way they'd
hope. Now add on top of this that Warner
Brothers is uh on Friday the Justice
Department approved the mindblowing sum
make sure I get it right. Oh god. $111
billion acquisition. Paramount is buying
them. And of course they're owned by the
Ellison family who um may not want what
James Gun is selling. So that's what I
want to talk to our guests here uh today
about. We're going to talk about the box
office and the popularity of some of
these streaming services and what's next
for the DCU. But first, let's bring one
of our guests. I know one of our guests
has a heart out today at 2:30. So we
want to get him on ASAP. You know him
from Phase Zero YouTube channel and from
all over the internet. Mr. panel host
extraordinaire Brandon Davis. What's
going on, Brandon?
>> Oh, just keep tricking you into letting
me on here. How you doing?
>> Good. I said phase zero. I'm sorry. It's
phase hero.
>> It's a Wait, it's a hard H before hero.
>> Hard H.
>> Yeah,
>> hero. Okay. Very, for legal reasons, a
very important distinction.
>> I feel really bad. I'm really sorry
about that. And then of course, there
was once something by that other name,
but no longer.
>> It's not not live anyway.
>> Well, anyways, we've also got coming on
right now the guy who's trapped in our
TV and doesn't know it, so please don't
tell him. Mr. Colton Agburn, what's
going on, Colton?
>> I'm just really glad to be here with the
guy and the dog from Screen Rant as well
as Brandon.
>> Yeah, that's us.
>> Day zero. Yeah, this is going to be
great.
>> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]
>> If you don't know Brandon, one time
Kevin Smith said that about one of our
channels. He said the guy from Screen
Rant with the dog and it was Colton's
video and I thanked Kevin Smith but
forgot Colton wrote that. It was a whole
thing. It was a whole thing. Kevin, if
you're watching, I'm sorry. And finally,
one of our Screen Crush staff members,
expert in all things uh DC
extraordinaire, we have Mr. Lee Mazio.
Hi Lee.
>> Hello. Happy to be here to uh you know,
do my job for the DC universe and keep
it going strong.
>> Yeah. And if you guys watch a lot of
Screen Crush and you you may not know
Lee's name unless you read the credits,
but he's a great editor. And pretty much
when a DCU thing comes around, I'm like,
either Lee either gives notes, extensive
DC notes, or he full on just writes it.
So, we're looking forward to Supergirl
around this shop. I'll tell you that.
>> Um, let's just dive right into it
because we're going to lose Brandon in
about 30 minutes because he's more
important than the rest of us. Um, I can
quote some facts and figures to you guys
about the performance of like Superman
from last year did 618 million versus
667 million from Man of Steel. The
Suicide Squad, which granted pandemic
released at 168 compared to 749 for the
bad Suicide Squad movie. And um yeah,
Supergirl actually was tracking to 55.
Today they updated it to 51. And uh they
box office theory estimates that
Supergirl will make around
65 million domestically. And I'm sorry
that I don't think that was a $55
million opening. No, it is an opening.
So I think Oh man, I hope that's not a
total gross they're saying. Dark Brandon
has entered the chat. All right.
>> Hello, Dark Brandon.
>> Brandon over here.
>> I just I put on the wrestling persona
real quick.
>> And however, the Batman did 772 million
and people are looking forward to the
Batman 2 and Man of Tomorrow. I'm
curious where you guys land on this. Is
it just too early? Do you think
Supergirl will start slow and pick up?
Can that even happen these days in
modern day box office? And um do you
think that we just need to kind of
regress into more big uh popular heroes
that people have heard of before they
branch out into maybe properties like
Supergirl, which aren't as marquee?
Brandon, what do you think? What do you
Are we going to flop?
>> I I mean I think no matter what happens,
people there are going to be a there's
going to be a group of people that call
this a flop no matter what it does. But,
uh, realistically, [snorts] I mean, I
think this one's going to be riding on
word of mouth big time because the that
initial review wave, the initial
reaction wave is going to really stir up
a lot of conversation. I think whether
it's positive, negative, or just
somewhere middling. And I think that the
the the experience people have and the
what they share about this movie is
going to determine week two. So, I think
week one it's a DC movie with a a
mainline superhero. So, it's got that
baked in like guaranteed $45 million.
And then, you know, based on what you do
with marketing, if it's not Batman
Superman, you got to up that a bit. It
seems like those day one pre-sales were
really, really good from everything we
keep seeing. And I don't think that's
coming from DC trying to have like a
positive spin. Every time I see it, it's
global box office on Twitter or
something. But, I think that first
weekend is going to be It's gonna I
think it'll go over 55 million unless
reviews are just terrible. I think it
goes up to like 65. Um even though it is
week two of Toy Story, so that's a stiff
competition as it is. Everybody's going
to have gone to the movies a week
earlier. But then I think week two is
where the story is going to be. How does
it what is the drop? If it's a really
good movie, I think the drop is is is
lower and it gets some legs and keeps
going. If it uh if it isn't if it's
anything less than really good, I think
the drop is kind of significant.
What drop do you think they would be
happy? I mean, obviously something like
Obsession with no drop, but that's not
realistic. Mandalorian and Grou do less
than 20%.
>> No, no, I'm saying 20% Obsession style
is where No, I
>> Mandalorian should have come out five
years ago.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Had a drop of like 80, right? Like it
was ridiculous.
>> Like 69. Anything over and I I didn't
say that to be funny. It was like 69.
Anything six?
>> Yeah, we're six. Anything over eight,
nine. Anything over 50% would would be I
think they'll be celebrating uh in terms
of a drop off. I I'm not worried even a
little bit. Like if this movie makes 475
million come the you know after its run
I'm going to consider that an absolute
win to quote Professor Hulk because we
have to remember the DC EU had ran DC
movies into the ground. It it they were
at absolute bottom. They were below
bottom. the movies that were coming out
in those last few years of the DCU, the
box office for those films was just
absolutely embarrassing. And I'll say
the same thing about Supergirl that I
said about Superman is that the box
office right now does not matter. What
matters right now is to reestablish this
brand, get uh, you know, make good with
the audience and just put out a quality
film. So I I think if Supergirl comes
out and clears like 450, no, that's not
breaking any box office records. But she
is kind of a B character. She's a
derivative character. So I don't know
why anyone would call it a flop. Like if
it comes in under, oh, if it doesn't
make 700 million, it's a flop. That's
ridiculous. It's a Supergirl movie. And
I think that the the most important
thing for it to do is just be super
good. and and that will do wonders for
this franchise and help set up for three
or four years down the road from now
when we're at like this fourth chapter
of this Superman saga that could be a
billion-dollar film.
>> Well, I'll tell you, Colton, just sorry,
Lee, give me just a second. I'm going to
provide some context for what Colton was
saying. I was paying attention. I was
just typing in some figures here. Uh
Black Adam opened at 60some million,
which is over, you know, what uh
Supergirl is. The Flash opened for what
over Supergirl's projected for right now
and Black Adam had a total worldwide
gross of 393 million. The weird thing
here, Supergirl's budget is could be as
high as 225 million and to with print
and all the great marketing they've been
doing, they might need anywhere between
300 and 400 million to break even. Who
knows? Because it's all secret. But the
projections are all over the map.
There's some outlets that are saying 500
million and some are saying 200 million.
But comparing it to the DCU,
I mean, so far the DCU is tracking ahead
of it.
>> No.
>> 200 million worldwide.
>> Sorry,
>> is that a 200 million worldwide
prediction?
>> I think it's domestic.
>> It's ranging. No, ranging from 200 to
500 worldwide
>> for Oh, for opening week. Are we talking
opening weekend or total box office?
>> Talking total.
>> There's no scenario where this movie
parks at 200 million worldwide. It could
be it could be 11% on Rotten Tomatoes.
It still makes me more.
>> And speaking of 11% on Rotten Tomatoes,
what's the what? Speaking of Black Adam,
Black Adam sucked. And I like The Flash,
but most people thought it sucked and
nobody went and saw those movies after
that opening weekend. I think if
Supergirl is really good, it's going to
have a positive word of mouth, and
people are going to be turning out to
see it, and it'll probably have way less
of a drop off than those other films
did. So I sure th those movies had maybe
bigger opening weekends, but I think
that Supergirl has a much better chance
of actually having a bigger box office
in the long run.
>> I mean, also just
>> you're good. Also, just to fight back a
little against what you said earlier,
Colon, Supergirl is very
wellestablished. Like I know kind of
side charactered her a little bit, but I
mean she did have her own CW show
>> in the general zeitgeist. I mean even
those who are not fans of the comics or
of the DCU
Supergirl is known they woman of
tomorrow a fantastic comic. I mean if
you know comics if you know Supergirl
first one to come into your mind. So, I
think especially coming off the heels of
Superman in kind of what was a bit of a
production drought, it seems like in
terms of conveyor belt of superhero
movies, we went from having a lot of
them at once to once a couple of years.
And that's also, you know, with COVID,
but now we're having the DCU starting
with your first introduction of the
super family last year and now the
followup this year. Like if I didn't
care about Superman, if I didn't care
about if none of these posters meant
anything to me, that alone gets me
excited because I see that they're
committed and this isn't just a
franchise that's like, "All right, throw
him in. Whatever." Like, this is
>> something that seems hopeful in general.
>> She's also Are there enough of you?
>> She's far more What? She's also one in a
million Superman.
>> Hold on. You're Yeah, you are one in a
million. That's true. Colton, what' you
say?
>> I was just saying she's also a far more
interesting character than Superman.
That I was just bouncing off of what Lee
said.
>> There is No, no, no. There is that. No,
I mean, I know Lee would push back on
that, but the fact that she watched her
entire civilization die and, you know,
and is dealing with that trauma
directly, whereas Superman was able to
mostly avoid that for his life. But to
be somebody who is still good and kind
and rises above that trauma. I love the
marketing for this too. Like I think
it's it's been phenomenal so far. Like
the look up to lookout thing that
they've been doing. And it's interesting
because Supergirl was not part of that,
you know, that first slate that they
announced. Brandon, I think you got to
go to that super secret meeting, right?
>> I did. Yeah. Supergirl was not part of
that. That was uh it seemed like it
seemed like Batman Brave and Bold would
have been one that was like going to be
coming sooner than this, but uh yeah.
Yeah. No, Supergirl was not part of
that. But Supergirl was something I
think the DC team before Gun and Saffron
were already do like the writer of this
Anna Negada wrote a Supergirl spin-off
from the Flash for Sasha Cali to star
in. And then that I don't know if it is
at all similar to what we got here. Um,
but I want Cole and there was a couple
things you said that I think are worth
pointing out and comparing to today's
time because a Black Adam had a pretty
decent box office. I didn't hate Black
Adam. Granted, I don't really hate
anything. There's only a few things I
really think are terrible. Black Adam I
certainly would not put as terrible. Not
great, but it was whatever. Um, but I
think at that time we still were not
this far out of the superhero boom where
every movie was printing money
>> and The Rock could still sell movie
tickets. He was still a person who
everybody rallied behind and now the
tides have turned on Dwayne Johnson and
everybody's like tired of that guy for
whatever reason. Um, but that that's one
thing. The Flash was like I think The
Flash doing anything at all was kind of
surprising because that's another one
that was like that movie just hung out
to dry. Not only did it get abysmal
reviews because I felt like we were all
betrayed thinking the VFX were
unfinished because I thought the story
of that pretty good but the VFX were
unforgivable. I can't believe
>> Did you see it at Cineacon and so you
thought those were unfinished VFX?
>> Yeah, I was like
>> finished VFX that's actually a pretty
solid story. Say what you will about
Ezra Miller. Pretty great.
>> I love Flash. Yeah, I love Flash. I
thought it was going to be a billion
dollar film. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And so I think like the
comparisons are weird because the times
have changed so much. You're looking at
movies like Fantastic 4 that can come
out and be a seven out of 10. And a
seven out of 10 six years ago was enough
to make a billion dollars and now it's
half that just because the appetite has
changed. So I think if with this you you
have Superman footage you can release to
sell tickets if you need to like break
the glass in case of emergency, you can
have James Gun jump on the marketing
bandwagon if you need to. Um, but it's
also a like the times have changed so
much. Emmeilia Alco's not super famous
yet. So, I think a lot of women are
going to love this one. I think
superhero fans are going to go see it.
U, but I think it is it is a hard to
compare this to the DC universe is
trying to start at a time
>> when people don't have the same appetite
for superhero movies like they did 5, 10
years ago. It's inarguably changed. So,
we're comparing it to that because
that's the golden era. But, we're out of
the golden era.
>> That's true.
>> When you bring up Go ahead.
I was just going to say I do have to say
Black Adam it didn't even crack 400
million worldwide. I feel like that's a
pretty massive failure for a movie
starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I I
think that just kind of screams like
like you said Dwayne the Rock Johnson,
you know, he's a movie star. I feel like
that kind of just shows us that he
dragged that movie kicking and screaming
to almost 400 million. Like it was
really the current just like disdain for
DC films that kind of brought that thing
down. And so that that's why I think
that what James Gun has managed to do
with like Superman, I I think it's super
impressive that he he was able to get
that movie to make what it did.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, in just a second, I want to get to
like the the Warner Brother Paramount of
it all and Zack Snider. You know, Zack
Snder won't let this go in one way or
another. So, we'll talk about that in a
second. Uh I do know Brandon, you
briefly mentioned something that like
you think um women will have a good time
to come, you know, and come to the
movie. Um, it's interesting because I
never like with Supergirl, I never even
thought like, oh yeah, femaleled
superhero movie. I just think of it as
Supergirl, like another superhero,
right? And there was a point where like
with Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman, it
was a big deal. It was like, oh, we
never had this before. But now we've had
Black Widow and a few other things,
Harley Quinn, etc. So, I I feel like the
newness to that isn't there. Whereas
maybe if Supergirl had been the first
femaleled film of this modern era, it
would have really pulled in people who
don't normally maybe would normally go
see opening weekend of a superhero film.
>> Well, yeah, sure. I mean, it's also look
at we're four dudes up here talking
about superheroes. So, saying this on
this panel might be out of pocket, but
like
emphasizing this is a woman-ledd
superhero movie was a drilled talking
point for everybody promoting those
movies because they knew it was
celebrated and it was selling tickets.
the executives I don't think really
maybe some of them did. I don't really
give a movie studio executives too much
moral credit. Like I'm not talking about
Kevin Feige. I'm talking about like the
people who spend the money and make the
money. They're like, "Yeah, femaleled
superhero movies are selling tickets.
Let's make it more." And then now it's
not a talking point anymore because it's
happened a few times, not as many time,
not nearly as many times as obviously
maleled, but I think that that bubble of
that being the talking point and being
enough to sell a ticket has certainly
burst. U if this Yeah. Yeah, if this
came out in 2019,
even the superhero bubble aside, I think
that championing women in film would
have helped this movie, too. And I think
it still will a bit, but it's just
>> I hope it doesn't,
>> you know, you made fun of this at the
start, man. I really hope
>> again,
>> if this movie comes out and it's as
great as we think it's going to be, and
there's still like bastard YouTube
channels that still rip it just because
it's a female. Like, if it's a great
script, it's a great script. And earlier
we talked about how James Gun, this was
not part of their initial announcement.
And he said, "Yeah, we got a great
script." So, we put it ahead of things
like The Authority or Brave and the Bold
that just aren't there yet. And that's
an interesting strategy that I hope
works. You know, Marvel for years put
the cart before the horse and it somehow
worked. And then I think it caught up to
them with Quantum Mania. But
>> same thing with Clayface.
>> I don't think Gunn is focused on the box
office right now. He knows that the his
number one goal needs to be putting out
things that are just beloved and just
critically acclaimed. That that's the
goal.
>> But also looking done beyond just the
movies. Super Mr. Terrific and the
engineer are in Fortnite. I mean, you
did not you barely had merch for these
movies
>> that you like DC had a little tiny
season in Fortnite from the the peak of
Fortnite and Marvel had like five goes
in there and 40 skins and you had maybe
Aquaman I think when when the Last
Kingdom was getting ready to come out or
the first one I don't remember but it's
just the and Fortnite is just a small
example of what James Gun and I think
large credit to Peter Saffron as well
have done to build this brand and
generate revenue and interest beyond
just the literal movie theater.
>> Lee, can I ask you something? So, what
we're talking about here, what I'm
getting from you guys is that James Gun
is trying to build a house of cards. And
of course, when you build a house of
cards or any kind of house, you start
with very small pieces. You make sure
they're structurally sound. And if
you're building like an archway, you
build a keystone. Or if you're building
a deer fence, if as the Screen Crush
staff members know, I'm building a deer
fence right now. Love to show images of
it. I won't shut up about this. But Lee,
in doing this though, if you're going to
build this, yes, it needs to be quality.
Yep. And James Gun is right there at the
front. We'll talk about the streaming
shows in a second. You look at the
talent that he's getting together, Mike
Flanigan, Damon Lindelof. Like, it's
incredible. But wouldn't if you're doing
that, wouldn't you want to start with
Batman, the most popular DC character? I
mean, wouldn't you want to take
something like the Batman and build your
universe around that? I mean,
personally,
>> like, you know, me, Ryan, I'm just gonna
say yes because you said Batman. But
genuinely speaking, no. Um, I think that
right now,
I kind of have settled, I'm of the mind,
I don't want a Batman in the DCU yet
because
we have, dare I say, the perfect one.
And we've had such a good one with
Robert Patson that I think that if James
were to start off with Batman for the
DCU, it would constantly be a thing of
comparison. It would be like, "Oh, look
at what Matt Reeves is doing. They can't
do that there. Look at what they're
doing. They can't do this there." And
it's just always no matter what they do,
what fantastical story they tell, they
could tell the best adaptation of Hush
or whatever, and it will always always
come with this was good. However, if it
was Patson or if it was blah blah blah,
it would have been so much better. And
and you don't want to start a franchise
with that. I I think that they're doing
something very smart with the way that
they're taking the characters that they
focus on and making them, you know,
their tidular spotlight characters. And
with Peacemaker, for example, like who
cared originally? You know what I mean?
>> Who heard of him before this?
>> Yeah. Who knew? Who cared? Now he's in
has a cameo in all of the DCU projects
so far. So
>> he's a trend on Tik Tok. The Yeah.
>> Yeah. I don't
>> I will say this
>> would love to see Batman. I'm okay with
waiting
>> and you know I love Peacemaker and I
love everything they've put out so far,
but I'm just kind of pointing out why
I'm worried. Right. So Peacemaker,
>> um I've got a few stats on it. Again,
streaming stats, you'd never really
know, right? Uh but during Peacemaker
season 2 finale, the show as a whole
barely cracked the Neielson top 10 and
the finale counted for 42% of that watch
time. Season 2 did have a 22% brewership
increase during its premiere, but those
numbers teetered off by time by the time
season 2 is finished. But it does have a
94% score on Rotten Tomatoes. So, it
seems like there seems to be a trend of
the DCU making great [ __ ] that we love,
but general audiences are lagging behind
and haven't caught on yet.
>> But you you build it, they will come.
And I I know Brandon has to go here in a
second, so I want to let him go. But I
just want to say the MCU did so well
because it did not have the crutch of
Spider-Man and the X-Men when they did
phases uh one through and most of three.
I I think the DCU even though they could
use Batman, I think they are smart to
let Reeves just keep doing his Batman
finish it and build a DCU without the
crutch of Batman. Actually have to do it
without that. like actually give
themselves a challenge and build this
really strong DCU and then bring Batman
in it to make it all the more better.
>> And I should note neither Captain
America first Avenger nor Thor uh
cracked 500 million. Thor did a little
bit better than first Avenger actually,
which surprised me.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And then Avengers
was crazy. Yeah.
>> But the Justice League's a long way off.
Brandon, go ahead. What were you gonna
say?
>> Oh, no. I I love Beastmaker. I'm I wish
more people would watch that show, but
that's a very R-rated adultoriented
show, too. So, it's hard to,
>> you know, I mean, that's a very R that's
that's a hard R rating for uh for TV or
hard TV MA, I guess.
>> Well, what are your thoughts on not
prioritizing the Batman or a Batman or
Batman?
>> I just think that might
>> I I I I don't think he's thinking what's
going to make the money. I think he's
thinking I mean, I I think that has to
be part of the thought. James Gunn
understands the business, but I think he
is genuinely sticking with this is what
I believe in. This is the character that
works right now. Sure. You know, it
sounds like we're throwing Wonder Woman
into Man of Tomorrow, but I really think
he's doing that with a reason for doing
it.
>> Uh if that's if that ends up being true.
So,
>> I don't think they need Batman. I am of
the belief that people would be confused
if multiple Batmans were in movies at
the same time. I I have debated that
with James Gunn himself and he doesn't
agree with me. But I just like yes,
there are people who will just go see
Batman and not care about the Penguin
spin-off or the fact that it's a sequel
or the fact that it's a new universe.
They'll just buy a ticket to Batman
because it's Batman. He's a character
that is that popular.
>> But I think to build a franchise, you
you don't want that. You don't want
confusion. You don't want like my mom to
be like, "Wait, which I thought this
other guy was Batman and now there's
another Batman and which
>> why is Batman old now? How many years
has it been?"
I think if you make the DCU Batman
different enough, I I do think the
general audience, especially with the
multiverse and all that being so common
place now, I I think they're smart
enough to kind of catch on like, "Oh,
that's a different one. Got it." But
why? But why do that? But like, why do
it? Like, why even risk the confusion or
>> a full trilogy at this point? It's been
six years between Batman movies.
>> Like, are they actually gonna make a
third movie?
>> Dude, Lee and I did a video where I was
Lee, I can't remember if you agreed with
me, but I was calling for it. I was
like, just cancel it at this point. I
want the back hand, too. But either way,
>> BUT LIKE PAINTER, PAINTER, GET OFF THE
LADDER, MAN. DUDE, like what are we
waiting on? [laughter]
>> We always say where I'm going, where I'm
from, [ __ ] or get off the pot. I've
never heard painter get off the ladder.
>> Well, I was going for [ __ ] or get off
the pot, but I I sense it.
>> No, Painter get off the ladder is
better. It makes me think of Pepe Lew.
It's fantastic. But, you know, Anna
Nggerro, right? So, she did um she
co-wrote this movie and DC apparently
loves her work. You mentioned Brandon.
She's she's attached to Wonder Woman now
and Teen Titans which is a cool thing to
hear. I don't know like do you know are
they doing Teen Titans an animated deal
or live action?
>> There's actually I just I just before
coming on here it's not going on my
YouTube channel until
>> like later in the middle of next week
but I published it on my Patreon page. I
did 40 minutes with her at the Supergirl
junket and I 100% asked about Wonder
Woman and Teen Titans. So, while I do
wish all of you would go subscribe to my
Patreon, I will give away the sauce
right here to everybody who [laughter]
hasn't listened. I mean, obvious there
there wasn't much. She it was like the
conversation was flowing so like it just
felt like the most casual. She was so
cool. She was so excited to talk about
Supergirl. We talked about movies and
stuff outside of Supergirl. And I said
to her, I think the way I said it was
like, "Hey, the streets are saying
Wonder Woman." And she was like, "What?"
And I was like, "And by the streets I
mean the Hollywood trades." And she was
just like, I don't know anything about
that. And I was like, I don't believe
you. I said, they're also saying Teen
Titans. And she was like, I don't know
anything about that. And I asked her,
okay, so you know, that aside, is there
a character you think would be fun to
work on or see in the DC? And she said,
Catwoman. So it was just like word. She
did not want to touch Wonder Woman Teen
Titans. And I heard similar from other
people who interviewed her and asked
her, we all are going to ask, "Hey,
what's up with Wonder Woman when you get
time?"
>> Yeah. And I'm only saying what I'm
saying because I literally just saw it
on the internet. I will say this is
interesting. I'm one degree separated
from her. My wife just wrote a play
called Camping that's about to go up in
New York and the director has worked
with Anna. So, we were just having like
drinks like at their dinner break
yesterday and she brought this up and I
was like, "Hell, I hadn't even heard
that because it hadn't been officially
announced." I hope it's true. I mean,
she's apparently a great playwright and
uh the show went well, too. My wife's
show Camping, it opened um had their
first preview. It was great. I cried.
It's fantastic time.
>> Yeah, I it's it's crazy. I'm really Teen
Titans, man. That's really exciting.
That's the kind of thing I thought they
would do way down the line after the
main characters are introduced and you
have the sidekicks like if they're still
doing Brave and the Bold are is Tim
Drake going to be in Teen Titans or is
it going to be Dick Grayson and that's
we're going to see him transition to
Nightwing leaving room for Damian
>> to step in? It's really exciting stuff.
>> I think they would put Damian probably
in Teen Titans if they're going to
introduce
>> No, I think they would if Well, no. I
think that's the point of Brave and the
Bold, though, is it's supposed to be
about Bruce raising Damian, so they got
to get his current Robin out of the way
first.
>> Out of the way. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a fun
dynamic, too, when Damian shows up and
Tim's still in the Batcave. Like, who
the hell is this little murder monster?
Brandon, you got to go. It's 2:30,
right?
>> I just I I I got like I guess they I'm
supposed to get on a call. They haven't
texted me that they're calling yet. So,
I'll stay 10 more minutes.
>> Just give us just give us one of these
and we'll say,
"Hey, hey, so uh
>> give us the signal.
>> Cool. I'll just put these on. I'll put
these on and this means I'm back in.
>> You'll become dark Brandon. Got it. Got
it. Got it. So, look,
>> let's get into the finance aspect,
though, because it's really nice. And by
the way, I I don't think I need to say
this. James Gun has been here on the
channel. His dog is a fan of my dog,
which is insane. Um, I love James Gunn
as a person, as a music fan, as a
creator. So, none of this is a knock on
the quality of the DCU. I'm worried
about the Ellison's. So, here's what we
know, and I'm sorry I don't have the
source for this where where we know this
from. Um, on March 10th, 2026, David
Ellison visited the Warner Brothers lot
to meet with executive producers,
including Peter Saffron. One attendee
described his meeting as peruncter and
full of platitudes. Another said he was
very theatrical, but he claimed to love
DC. Ellison congratulated the WB team,
saying, "You've made two of the best
movies from last year. I won't tell you
which ones." Many outlets pointed out
that Gun dodged this meeting, but that's
because he was filming in Atlanta, which
I 100% believe.
I'm worried the Ellison are going to
come in anytime somebody buys something
or a new boss or manager comes in, they
always want to raise a leg on something.
They'll come in and say, "Look, this may
have been good enough for Zazlav because
he was desperate and he was trying to
compete with Marvel and the other thing
didn't work, but now we're coming in,
baby, and we want to Why are you doing
things? Why aren't you doing Batman? You
know, Aquaman made a billion dollars.
How come you're not doing an Aquaman?
Why? Where is Wonder Woman? Like they
may be pushing for that and going, "Why
is Green Lantern a TV show? It should be
a big show." I I kind of feel like they
would do that. What do you guys think?
>> He hasn't done it with Paramount. He's
done nothing with Paramount. So, I don't
know. I feel like
>> to buy Warner Brothers
>> all they've done shut down Star Trek
>> MCU
>> like back in didn't Par is Paramount
sold the MCU rights right when it was
blowing up.
>> Well, they didn't quite
>> Yeah, I guess but Disney bought Marvel
so and their deal expired after the
Avengers. So, yeah, it's not like they
sold them, but
>> they weren't really given an option to
fight for them.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I was gonna say like
>> this to me seems very easily
explainable. Like if I were gun in a
meeting with the Ellison's why we
wouldn't do Batman already have a Batman
that though it's not the DCU in WB it's
still in WB making money why are we
going to interfere with that and maybe
risk a flop
>> lot of money
>> um
>> exactly and so though it is DCU verse
the other DC properties of Warner
Brothers I I don't think that the
Ellison's would mess with any
DC uh plans or properties within Warner
Brothers because it seemed profitable so
far and and Gun seems to have a path
going forward. There is word of mouth
and excitement about the stuff to come
out of the DCU and other you know the
Reeves crimes verse crimes verse. Um, so
I I don't see that there would be any up
in arms about DC not making money
unless, you know,
Supergirl flops, which I don't ever see
happening, truthfully. So,
>> well, let me throw this out. Let me Oh,
go ahead, Brandon. Sorry.
>> I mean, the the thing that comes to mind
for me is like Steven Cobar. [snorts]
Like, not that not that James Gunn is
>> Yeah. some sort of outspoken person
similarly to how Steven Cobar is in any
sense.
>> Not anymore.
>> Not anymore.
>> But uh I just think that the political
alignment in the storytelling in the DC
universe doesn't seem to be the same
political alignment that we see from
people at the top of Paramount. And
could that be a factor? I hope not. I
really really hope not. I
>> I don't know what you're talking about.
Is there some correlation between the
villains in the DCU and real life
people? I
>> uh I'll take your Steven Colbear and
I'll I'll raise you a Taylor Sheridan.
He man what is little Ellison David
Ellison? Is that the little one?
>> Yeah, I think so. I can't I can never
remember. I got to mix it up.
>> He scared off Paramount's cash cow.
Taylor Sheridan was their most valuable
asset. I'd say probably even more
valuable than Tom Cruz. And they scared
him off. And to Brandon's point, it was
because he got pushed to do a
right-leaning show that was super
political that he didn't want to do. And
this is coming from a guy that already
made shows that were rightwing coded for
middle America. So, I I hope that David
doesn't what like Yellowstone and
>> Well, but they're they're Democrats in
Yellowstone, though. Like the family are
are all Democrats, which is interesting.
But you're right. I think it is
right-wing coded.
No, he he runs as an independent. But
anyway I
>> No, there's a specific episode though
where he says, "I would never vote for a
Republican." It's like because I
remember hearing that and going
>> that's kind of weird for Yellowstone.
Yeah. Anyways,
>> I don't think James sounded like a super
political person. I mean, I remember
being at the like I I don't know if he
he sure was. And I don't know if he's I
assume he still has his beliefs,
>> but I mean I remember being at the
Superman trailer event and somebody as
tried to set him up with a question
about filming in Atlanta and just
filming in Georgia and something had
just happened in Georgia. I don't know.
something's always happening in Georgia,
in the southeast, all that. And he just
said like he gave a very,
>> in my opinion, fair answer, which was,
>> look, I live in Georgia. I have a home
in Georgia. We film in Georgia. We work
with great people. I don't know my
nextdoor neighbors politics, per se, but
they're beautiful people who I get along
with.
>> I'm paraphrasing, but
>> he's very political. when when we had
him on here when we were I mean he just
he toned it down and I think in a and
does he goes about it a really smart way
and doesn't try to shock people like
when he was on here he talked about the
correlations between himself and Auggie
speech alt Auggie speech in season two
of Peacemaker and he correlated it to
his own life and not being able to do
things so you donate to causes and you
do what you can etc. So, I just think
that's where he's at most.
>> But he is James Gunn is so good at
playing dumb because people will ask
him, "Oh, did this scene in Superman
parallel this scene?" And he'll kind of
go,
>> "Oh, is that is that what you took from
that?"
Like, he doesn't he doesn't like shove
your face in it, but it's there like and
he just like lets you know like, "Yeah,
if that's what you're picking up." Okay.
Yeah. No, I'm just telling
>> it's like the disclaimer at the opening
of South Park. All these celebrity
voices have been impersonated poorly.
you know, it's like you can't ever pin
anything on them.
>> Here's what's good news is I think that
in about two and a half years, a certain
person is going to be out of a certain
job and we won't have to worry about it
as much anymore because and I also think
that certain person is far more focused
on controlling what CNN puts out than
what
>> Superman says. You know what I mean?
>> Don't think we're going to get
Peacemaker the intro musical on the
White House lawn for 25. [laughter]
So, I'll throw this out there. You guys
have convinced me of one thing, right?
So,
>> I don't actually know if the Ellison's
care about making money. They have
money. They didn't go out and buy two
movie studios that were losing money in
order to make money. They went out and
bought movie studios because they want
control and they want power. Now, when I
say control, I don't necessarily mean
controlling the hearts and minds of
people. I think they like uh the little
one, it's weird. I can never remember
which one's which. David, I'm pretty
sure is the younger one. David wanted
control of the movie industry. He wants
to be able to make the movies that he
always wanted to make because he didn't
like when Paramount would slam doors and
on Sky Dance's face, right? So, he wants
to do this and he likes a particular
kind of movie and DC falls into those
kinds of movies. So, again, I don't know
that they would look at say Supergirl
losing money. I think they would go,
"Yeah, that was the last regime." But I
do think they would say, "Yeah, but why
are we doing movies like Supergirl? for
doing DC, you know, we should do and if
it's not Batman, it's something else
that is more in line with the kind of
movies that Sky Dance made, which for
the most part were bad and didn't make
money.
>> Maybe James Gun can throw him a bone and
let him do uh Elseorld's something.
>> Maybe if he wants to be directly
involved, I'm not sure. But that's what
scares me the most is the idea that
they're not profit motivated, that
they're motivated simply by wanting to
do something creative. I do think though
this is not a guy who grew up reading
comic books talking about you know the
Ellison's they basically see this as
like an important IP and an important
arm but the stuff he wants to develop
are probably I would be shocked if
there's not a Matrix reboot like within
five years whichowski is not involved I
think that's 100% going to happen it's
like the biggest most well-known IP they
have outside of DC
>> yeah I mean think about Disney getting
Fox they that was largely a Disney plus
play I think as Well, because they knew
streaming was coming and they needed to
have a full catalog.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and then they, you know,
Predator is back and The Simpsons are
doing stuff every chance they can and
things like that. So,
>> I wouldn't be shocked if if a lot of the
Warner Brothers properties start
>> getting new life or or starting over,
like you said, like The Matrix, for
example, um, under Paramount. But, I
don't know. I'm not I'm not super
worried about DC, to be honest, though.
I'm really not super worried about Gun
and Saffron's DC Studios despite the
studio change. Um because I think
they've they've proved themselves and
the brand is already so delicate given
the track record that I think if you
have it going in a good direction and
you start over again, who coming in for
that? like who
>> is and they would have and they would
have to start over because of the
relationships that Gun forms with his
people. If they if they uh screw over
gun,
>> corn sweat's gone.
>> In like the height of cancel culture,
actors went to bat for James Gunn. Like
when when cancel culture meant everybody
had to go as far away from that person
as possible and abandon them,
>> like the cast of Guardians was like, I
don't give a [ __ ] I love sorry I don't
know if I could curse on here but they
essentially were like I I love this guy
and I don't want to make another
Guardians movie unless it's with him and
I think that
>> something about James Gunn the way he
supports his actors the way he lets them
do it makes them feel a part of
something and makes them a part of
something they don't want to do the
anything that he gives them the first
opportunity for unless it basically has
his blessing where he's directly
involved and I I completely respect
that. So, I do think Yeah, you're right.
If if if guns out, I I think everybody
follows suit.
>> For sure.
>> Well, here's the thing.
>> Oh, yeah. No, Saffron's definitely gone.
That's his producing partner. Go ahead,
>> Brandon. But I don't think they're going
anywhere. I really don't. I think that
at least for a long time, at least for
like five years at least, I'd say,
because Supergirl's here. This deal take
a little bit longer. Lanterns is coming.
Playface is done.
>> Man of Tomorrow's halfway through,
almost halfway through production.
You'd have to really change course and
just basically abandon these. I just
>> within five years though, the Justice
League will have been out and that's the
ultimate test. Can it make more than the
box office of the Justice League? I
within five years.
>> I don't think so.
>> I just want him
>> I just want him to finish his Superman.
What does he call it? It's like four
films. It's
>> his Superman.
>> Superman family. Oh yeah, the Superman
family. So
>> I kind of feel like it might be within
five years. I don't know because there's
things that are kind of getting a little
bit more fast-tracked like Wonder Woman
and I'm curious if other members of the
Justice League are also start you know
like at first they were like oh we're
going to do you know Paradise Lost and
the Civil War and theme this Game of
Thrones type show and then now all of a
sudden it's no we're going I I think
they might I think behind the scenes
they might be looking at it and going
>> oh actually we just got a great pitch
for this and for that. I think he
definitely wants to finish his Superman
movies. I'm sure James Gunn is gonna do
Just Justice League, but I think it
might come within five years for sure.
>> I mean, you've got a point that what
Avengers was four years after Iron Man.
So, yeah. I mean, yeah.
>> I just I don't think
five years from now, we are what in the
midst of or just after the Marvel reboot
like the Secret Wars coming off the
heels of that.
>> Oh, years after that. Yeah,
>> few years after that. I don't
see people wanting to experience the
same thing, if you know what I mean. I
feel like coming off of Secret Wars, we
just had these big
like Avengers movies, these big teamup
movies. I don't think that having Just
Justice League come out at that time,
another big teamup movie.
That doesn't seem like a big draw to the
audience in my opinion. I as a comic fan
like I feel like I would be
>> a bit fatigued by that. I don't know.
>> Well, no. Lee, think about your timeline
though because Avengers: Secret Wars
comes out in 2027.
>> Yeah.
>> And then the reboot or whatever is in is
in 2028. I'm talking about a Justice
League movie.
>> 2026, guys. Sorry.
>> That's okay.
>> Yeah, it's
>> Yeah,
>> I get worse. We do have some super chats
to get through and super chats as always
are encouraged but not required. We'll
get to those in a second. But I will say
this, like I you guys keep saying, well,
they wouldn't start over. They wouldn't
start over. Gum would be gone. Saff.
Yeah, they would be gone, but I don't
think that they would necessarily want
to start over. I think that and maybe WB
wouldn't fall for this twice, but man,
Zack Snider's Instagram is still full of
Justice League stuff. He's still, these
are not old posts. He is still posting
this stuff. I really think if they went
to Zack Snyder and I think he would do
this for personal reasons and they were
like, "Hey, I know you're working on the
Rebel Moon cinematic universe, but if
you want to put that down for a second
and work on how would you like to
fulfill your Justice League trilogy, I
think he would jump at it." I don't know
if Warner Brothers would actually think,
yeah, there's a market for that after
the Who Gives a [ __ ] reception of the SN
cut. But again, we're not talking about
Warner Brothers. We're talking about the
Ellison's and we're talking about the
kind of movies that they personally want
to see.
I just think you can always count on
people to do the dumbest thing possible,
which is why I'm worried.
>> Mimoa wouldn't do it. I don't think
Affleck would do it.
>> The cast I don't think the cast is
doing.
>> I I think I look I am a fan of Zack
Snder and sometimes like each passing
day it does get a little bit harder
>> Zack Snder on the internet.
>> I am a fan of Zack Snder 100%.
>> And the internet thinks I hate Zack
Snider's work. I I'm a huge dude. I
think I love a lot of Zack Snider stuff
and I like even the stuff that people
say is shitty and sometimes it actually
is shitty more than a lot of other
people anyway. Uh like dude, Army of the
Dead. Love that movie.
>> Dawn of the Dead
>> Army of the Dead is one of my it might
be my favorite Zack Snider movie after
>> of of BBS. And I mean even Zack Snider's
Justice League. That thing was way too
long, but I really liked it a lot. I'm
not here to lie about it.
>> It was really good.
>> Dawn of the Dead. I don't know who in
their right mind he thought he was to
try to put a 4-hour movie in theaters
because that was never going to happen.
I don't care what IP you're working on,
>> but it was still really good. Um, but
that said, I also think this dude is an
actual genius because he just
understands his audience.
>> He is working these people so well. Like
he knows he is keeping his engagement
up. He is keeping people riled up. You
can have a abysmal flop like Rebel Moon.
I'll be honest, that is probably one of
my least favorite Zack Snider things
ever is Rebel Moon. I really didn't care
for it. Parts of it were dope.
>> Oh, no. It's so bad. It It kind of like
redefineses bad. I still haven't seen
the second one.
>> That's a fair statement to say that it's
really bad.
>> But looks amazing. Like there's visuals
in that that just blow me the hell away.
But
>> yeah, and he's not he's not out here
posting Rebel Moon throwback photos
because I think he's like, "Well, that's
come and gone." Whatever. I don't even
know. I I am honestly not up to date on
the Rebel Moon news cycle. If there's
actually more of those that he's trying
to do, I have no idea. It sounds like
it's done. But I just the photos he
posts, I think he's incredibly smart. I
think he does love the characters. And I
think pair that with he knows how to
work the audience to keep the engagement
and keep the like just relevance through
some of that because it's his biggest
thing he's done. And I'm a fan. I love
Man of Steel and I think he's he's doing
it tomorrow. It's just like what?
>> Hey, next week do you want to come on
and defend it? We're going to have a a
[ __ ] brewhaha about that movie. We're
going to start we want to do a thing
where we bring up old movies on here.
That's too bad. Colton's gonna be the
lone defender. It would have been good
to have had you.
>> I gotta I gotta pop out. Man of Steel
does deserve the signal being hated on.
I want to say as I go if anybody want is
interested I'm giving away this uh Lobo
fine art print by Alex Garner Jason
Mamoa interview it's totally sold out I
think it's like a hundred bucks I want
to keep it but I promise side I'd do a
giveaway for it
>> so on my YouTube channel on the Jason
Mamoa interview the top comment on
Supergirl's opening day I'm going to
it's US only so sorry I'm not a
bazillionaire to me I'm not Elon Musk
with a trillion dollars uh I got to I
got to keep the shipping reasonable um
but yeah so anyway man of steel is right
in DC universe. I don't think it's going
anywhere.
>> All right. I hope you're right about I
hope you're half right there. I'll talk
to you later, Brandon. Thanks so much.
We'll have Brandon's YouTube channel
linked below later on. Thank you.
>> All right. There goes Brandon. So, let's
uh let's let the real man talk now,
guys. What a day. What [laughter] a
terrible human. We all knew this day
would come when Brandon would abandon
us. Let's get to a couple super chats.
Um I'm curious what everybody has to
say. I know this like restore the Snider
verse thing, it's a hashtag that's so
tired. it. Um, it it seems like a joke
at this point, but again, even if some
of the cast didn't want to return, I
feel like Caval, he's doing other [ __ ]
but he got the rug jerk from out jerked
out from under him. Maybe Affleck
doesn't want to come back, but maybe
they could recast. Like, there's other
Ezra Miller, I'm sure, would love to
come back. And hell, even Mimoa, I think
he'd rather play Lobo than Aquaman.
Yeah.
>> But he also feels a lot of loyalty to
Zack Snyder. You know, Galgadot, they
all do. He pulled them some of them out
of relative obscurity and made them into
big box office worldwide stars. Um, go
ahead.
>> I think GDAU would do it. I think Caval
would do it. I think
>> Ezra would do it.
>> I don't No chance Affleck would.
>> Yeah. And what about Cyborg? Didn't he
have a falling out?
>> Ray Fischer would. Oh, no. Ray Fischer
would be the first to sign up to do it.
Yeah, he 100% would come back.
>> Yeah. Um, Michael Rodini gave us $5 and
said, "I'm way more excited for the
Gunverse than most Marvel projects these
days." Come on, soft reboot.
>> Yeah, who would have thought? I mean, in
2013 or let's even say 2016, which in
some ways was like the Apex and the
Nater of the Snider versse and you had
Marvel coming out with like Civil War
and Promising Spider-Man and Black
Panther. what these past 10 years hath
wrought, my friends, that it would have
turned like that.
>> You broke up a little on my end there at
the end, but yeah, I
>> I'm really
>> It throws up on me, too. Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. I I'm glad that DC is back on
its feet, and I I think that Gun is
really the only I won't say the only one
that could have done it, but one of the
few that could have pulled it off.
>> A short list.
>> I think Marvel and DC feel the same way
about that. I think for both of them in
the movie industry they think a rising
tide raises all ships whereas in the
comic industry there is literally a
limited amount of shelf space. So th
that rivalry is actually traditionally
way more heated. You even go back to the
1930s and 40s when like the mob was
involved and they were like burning down
news stands for you know carrying the
wrong like it it was a wild wild west
kind of period
>> uh down in the lower east side. But now
in the movie industry they all want to
succeed. They all want everything to do
well. so different for movies because if
you go see a shitty Marvel movie, you
don't want to go see that next DC movie
and vice versa. You're like, I didn't
have a fun time last time I saw a comic
book movie. I'm kind of over that.
>> I wonder how much MorbiiUs and those
Sony movies hurt the Marvel brand if it
was more
>> I think enough that Marvel could file a
suit [laughter] like Mike.
>> Honest to God, thought they would. We
had Mike on. Um,
>> by the way, Mike, you know, Mike Mike
Doug's attorney sent me a great standup.
I'll tell you guys, he he sent me a
standup bit about being on this YouTube
channel and like defending the idea of a
black Indiana Jones uh to a friend and
it it's a great bit. I wish I had a clip
up to show you guys. He's a great comic.
But anyways, uh Mike um made that point
about Sorry, I got distracted. I was
thinking about Mike's bit. We were
talking about
>> Sony films and if Marvel could sue
>> Yeah. Yeah. He made that point. He came
on in a legal capacity and talked about
how Marvel could actually sue them for
Madam Web because it was so bad and like
demean the Marvel brand so much. Well,
it's brand information and they try to
pretend it's in the MCU, so they have a
direct connection like you were trying
to pretend you're in our franchise when
you're not.
>> Like, yeah,
>> I think they misrepresented to the
actors, too, because they all like
Marvel Studios in their Instagram posts,
which is
>> everything about that movie is such a
cluster [ __ ] It's incredible. Like,
watch
>> they should have sued and said, "We'll
settle for the rights back."
>> Yeah. No, that's the kind of settlement
only Elon Musk has enough money to pay
for that.
>> Sony also with their uh Spiderverse lack
of Spider-Man thereof.
>> Um I think ruined like you were saying
earlier Ryan with DC being like do other
characters than Supergirl. I think Sony
ruined that ability for other franchises
genuinely
>> because
when you like I was gonna say what other
characters would you do if they're not
doing Batman
Wonder Woman I get but Aquaman is that
going to be a marquee movie nowadays
like Green Arrow the Flash
>> Aquaman wasn't a marquee movie the
second one you didn't
>> and so it's like I I feel like now
coming off the heels of the Sony verse
and the something to do about Spider-Man
of it all. I don't think that any studio
would take a chance on their like well
maybe we could make a connected universe
of these when you can just wait to use
Batman later down the line and focus on
characters that maybe are in and out of
the Justice League more than in the
Justice League full time.
>> I hope so. Again, if I think it's a
brand a quality a brand name quality
issue when it comes to DC and Marvel and
they're very slowly and one thing I
think that is really going to help the
DCU is just Zack Snder did them a favor
by making his universe so very distinct
visually and toning down the saturation
in an effort to make it look different
from Marvel. And again, every project's
going to be different, but you look at
Superman and Supergirl, and even
Supergirl is a bit darker, and that
color palette, you can easily identify
it as something directly.
>> I mean, Superman is a James Gun film
through and through, like like
designwise as well. Everything about it
stylistically is James Gun, but uh
Supergirl, not at all. To like totally
different, visually different. Mhm.
>> Um, Inguava, I think is how you
pronounce it, gave us $2 and said, "The
Ellison just green lit the UFC cinematic
universe."
>> That whole thing. Arman gave us five
pounds and said, "I think Spider-Man
will be the only superhero thing to be a
massive hit this year. Not Supergirl,
not Doomsday. Spider-Man will never not
be a hit." I disagree. We've seen
Spider-Man not be a massive hit. I think
Doomsday is going to make enough money
to buy SpaceX. I think Spider-Man is
going to be a massive hit,
>> but so is Doomsday. And I think
Supergirl in context will be a massive
hit.
>> You made a face will be a massive hit. I
want to make sure that's clear. Yeah.
Okay.
>> Yeah. I think they make a billion at
least. Probably.
>> Oh, yeah. Doomsday. Yeah. I think two
billion.
>> I won't go into all that.
>> The Doom thing is weird, though. It's
very weird that Dune is sticking to that
date. If I were Warner Brothers,
>> I would run for the Hills. I'd be like,
"Why are we putting this out?" I mean, I
guess they have to put it out this year
because for like balancing budget issues
or whatever, but
>> put it out in March like they did the
last one. Make it like on the
anniversary. And I don't know. To me,
that makes sense. Like competing with
the biggest Marvel movie in
>> a decade. Doomsday should do a thing, a
cool marketing thing where we go back to
the live ticking Doomsday clock and
there's some kind of
and they move it up a week so that the
first week of Doomsday can have the IMAX
screens. I don't know why they aren't
doing that.
>> Do you have any idea how much I want
them to do that? Like having it that
close to Christmas really hurts me.
>> Michael Rodini gave us $5. Sorry, real
quick. And said starting with Batman, I
think it would have set the universe too
dark. meaning the Batman. I think Gun is
focus, excuse me, focusing on keeping it
fun first again. Yeah, he would have
relied on another filmmaker to set the
vision for his universe. So, yeah,
>> I think he's focusing on keeping it good
first. Like, I I don't know that there's
necessarily like a tone. Superman is
going to have a different tone than
Batman. And I hope I was a little
disappointed when I heard James Gun say
in an interview, "No, my Batman's not
going to be kind of goofy and jokey."
>> I was kind of hoping for an older Batman
with a Damian Wayne that he is training.
There's comedy gold there to do with
Batman without making him corny. So, I
do kind of hope they do that to make him
different than the patents in Batman.
But Brandon mentioned something earlier
and I think it was based off your
question, Ryan, about how the Ellison's
might want like the surefire thing of a
Batman movie right now to make that
money up.
>> I think it's like comparing like
long-term growth stock mutual fund
investing versus like single stocks
trading.
>> Yeah. High risk. High risk. Yeah, what
Gun is doing is going to make the money
in the long run. Like, it's almost a
sure thing.
>> If you just start, oh, boom, boom, boom.
Oh, we're going to do Batman. Oh, we're
going to do Batman vs. Superman. Seeing
how that works. We're going to do
Justice League right now. Saw how that
worked. It's a big gamble.
>> Let's get The Rock. Give it to the Rock.
Let The Rock, you know, be be our main
guy. We need a movie star. We need
Robert Downey Jr. Make the Rock.
>> See what the Rock's cooking. Oh, he
burned it. [laughter]
C7459 gave us a very generous $10 and
said Paramount's taking on a lot of debt
and have foreign investors who want to
see a return on their money. This is all
very very true. There was even rumors
that some of the Arabian interests one
of the Snyder grocery store which I
think are [ __ ] rumors.
>> The amount of money pay
>> my fear is that they will take the Bob
Iger approach and start publishing
everything on bit IP. Sorry Colton go
ahead. the amount of money that they
have to pay uh after I think this month
for every day that this uh merger is
delayed with New York and California's
lawsuit because just because it was
approved by the the whatever at the
federal level,
>> the Justice Department. Yeah.
>> Yeah. These lawsuits are still going to
kick the can down the road before it can
close and they are already in serious
debt. I forget the name of the whatever
the credit agency is or whatever.
>> How much is it costing them?
>> Was it like 7 million a day or
something?
>> A day. I could have that figure wrong,
but I'm pretty sure that's right.
>> Oh my god. Yeah.
>> And
>> wow.
>> Maybe it was I now I'm second guessing
myself, but anyway, it was a lot. And
they're already in horrible, horrible,
horrible debt. They're already
overpaying. And that credit agency, I
can't remember the name of it. They
there have already been talks of them
lowering their um whatever their like
credibility as a business
>> to like a um nonsafe thing to invest in
kind of thing. Yeah. So
>> damn
>> I think
>> they wanted it though. They wanted it.
The thing is I don't think Paramount
would have ever really done it for them.
I think they needed I think they had a
plan and that Warner Brothers had to be
a part of it. But it I don't think they
counted on how partisan how they thought
going partisan would just aid them and
they didn't really think about
>> the push back they were gonna get from
the other side. And also like it sucks
like all the all the political stuff
aside having this many major studios
combined into one studio is bad for us
as movie fans. It produces monopolies.
You start getting uh more monolithic
type of movies. You don't get diversity
in the kind of films that we get to see.
What's going to be funny is when they go
bankrupt and Netflix comes in and buys
it all
>> for a Warner Brothers and I don't want
Netflix to buy them either. I don't
know. Monty Gave us $5 and said people
always want the Snider versse back. I
say bring back the Donner verse. Give
Doug smooch for me. Hey, my head cannon,
my dream movie, not that I support AI,
but the one kind of AI thing I think I
would like that I would be interested in
if it could ever be good is Michael
Keaton meeting Christopher Ree, right? I
never want someone to actually make
that. But when you talk about your dream
movies that never got to happen, that's
the movie I wish I could have seen.
>> There is a really cool shot of them
shaking hands.
>> Yeah,
>> I've seen super cuts where people make
them, you know, you cut to one side and
the other
>> in the in the Nicholas Cage Superman
movie, Death of Superman, they were
going to have a sequence where when he
dies, Batman comes up on this giant uh
what are the big screens in the city
called? uh whatever uh jumbotron or
whatever he comes up on that and says
like you're it's Michael Keaton's Batman
saying your hero has fallen and that but
I will you know help protect um
>> that's Metropolis in this time
>> yeah it was yes it wasith Kevin Smith's
definitive movie was he's talked about
this was Batman like to him that was
like
>> and you can see it in his early films
they he references that movie all the
time Phila from Down Under gave us three
pounds or three Australian dollars sorry
and said thanks for another great show
Pats for Doug you got it and Angel man
Freddy gave two bucks and said DCU
having trouble. I blame bricks and mini
figs. Way over my head. Don't know
anything about it. Don't know if I
>> That's what I was talking about this
morning Ryan.
>> I know. I wasn't paying attention. I was
working while you young people were
talking about this.
>> I know what you're talking about. Shout
out. They Yeah, they stole those Legos.
[laughter]
>> They stole those Legos.
And also, Brandon mentioned this
earlier, but Mr. Terrific is in
Fortnite. But what happens after 10
days? No one knows. And finally, Qman
WPG gave us five Canadian dollars and
said, not finally, there's one more. Hey
gents, I think we're forgetting the
hierarchy of the DC universe could
change if Supergirl flops. I hope it
doesn't. Black Adam was awful. Black
Adam just also wasn't thought through
very well. I mean, Black Adam, I'm
sorry, is not a Marquee standalone hero.
He's kind of interesting, but only
juxtaposed with Shazam. So, the fact
that Dwayne Johnson was like, "No, I'm
not going to get my ass beat by another
hero unless it's Superman," was really
dumb and isn't paying attention to the
comics.
>> What does Supergirl have to make for you
guys to call it a flop? I'm going to say
if it makes under
325, then you could probably call it a
flop. But I think that
>> I would say under 200. If it's like in
the Marvel's range,
>> um that's that's kind of where
>> that ain't good. But that's what's so
weird about the the worldwide box office
projections. And maybe it's because I
don't know what its market is in China,
but China post pandemic has made a big
effort to make their own extremely huge
blockbusters and not to rely on western
stuff. It's also one of the reasons Fast
and the Furious has Yeah, it's one of
the reasons The Fast and the Furious is
not doing so well because it relied on
global box office and that's just been
scaled back uh since the pandemic. But
anyways, um I don't know. Yeah, that's
kind of where my head is. I hope it
makes 300.
>> I take back 350. I think anything under
300
>> flop or you could argue flop.
>> I I think it's going to make between two
and three. And again, I don't think art
should be measured by finance. I'm just
saying,
>> yeah,
>> in terms of this universe getting to
continue on.
>> And it's a great point about those
foreign investors who want a return on
their money. But then again, Oracle is
worth so much damn money, like a
ridiculous amount. that's um
>> I think that it is kind of secured not
to flop. Just like the DC of it aside,
we're also kind of seeing a mini theater
boom after Obsession and Back Rooms.
>> Um and all like
>> I think a lot of more people are going
to the theater, especially with AMC
Alist and all of the new theater
subscription services. I think that it
would be highly unlikely for this to
flop. Like I I genuinely
can't see unless it's just bad. But I
everything that's come out from it uh
doesn't look bad. I know Colton, you and
I you and I disagree on the coloring. Um
but aside from that, everything I've
really enjoyed, but I know that I'm not
every audience member ever. But I mean I
don't know just based on theater uh
theater going recently for movies like
>> like back rooms and obsession
specifically such indie unknown movies
had such a huge amount of theater
turnover just because of word of mouth.
When you have Supergirl
>> Supergirl everyone knows who that is.
You have a picture of blonde girl
wearing this like
>> you're going to go to the theater to see
that. Yeah. It's It's so much an easier
cell than uh you break a twig and and
the girls in love with you or there's a
bunch of yellow hallways. Like, you know
what I mean?
>> Yeah.
>> As long as Hollywood's wanting to turn
YouTube channels into movies, we're
here. We got a whole cast. Everybody's
got a fun nickname, we're we're there,
guys. We can shoot, right? Everything.
>> I think Supergirl looks great. I I do
think it looks a little flat and like
shot, but yeah, I think the movie itself
looks great and I think nine out of 10
people won't give a [ __ ] about, oh,
well, the lighting looked a little flat.
No, that's just me bitching. But yeah,
>> we've got Sorry, Colton. We got one more
comment. You're going to like this. GH
Isaiah gave us $2 and said, "Can we not
cut Colton off left and right?" Lol. I'm
sorry I was cutting you off. I was
trying to read the super chat. And
ironically, the person's pointing this
out in a super chat, but I had to cut
you off to read. I'm really sorry about
that. I don't do it on purpose.
>> Half of it's me cutting in, so don't
[laughter] worry.
>> It's all good. It's all good. Uh, can
you guys stick around after we uh sign
off here for a second to go over a
couple things?
>> No.
>> Oh, please. Okay, we got to wrap it up
there. Uh Lee, thanks for joining us,
Colton. Um you can find Colton on his
own channel or here on this channel.
Lee's links are all down below. And we
want to hear from you guys. What do you
think about uh the DCU? Do you think if
Supergirl flops, it's in trouble? Do you
think the Ellison's are going to want to
step in and restore the Snider versse?
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