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title: 'In the Gym with Jeff Cavaliere - Google Hangout'
source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=LxFo2Ta5sOM'
video_id: 'LxFo2Ta5sOM'
date: 2026-06-30
duration_sec: 3247
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# In the Gym with Jeff Cavaliere - Google Hangout

> Source: [In the Gym with Jeff Cavaliere - Google Hangout](https://youtube.com/watch?v=LxFo2Ta5sOM)

## Summary

Jeff Cavaliere, founder of Athlean-X, hosts a Google Hangout with three fans to answer their fitness questions. He discusses daily nutrition, training intensity, supplement safety, and announces a new platform called 'NXT' that will provide ongoing workout programs. The session emphasizes the importance of hard work, proper nutrition, and avoiding fitness myths.

### Key Points

- **Jeff's Daily Diet** [0:05] — Jeff eats the same things daily: oatmeal for breakfast, grilled chicken wrap for lunch, protein bars for snacks, and a similar dinner. He emphasizes finding what works for you and repeating it.
- **Post-Workout Nutrition** [8:03] — Jeff advises against placing too much importance on the post-workout carb window, as it can hinder growth hormone release. Protein is the most critical post-workout nutrient.
- **Choosing Weights and Rep Quality** [11:42] — Jeff stresses that rep counts (e.g., 8-12) are not as important as the quality of each rep. If you can only do 7 quality reps to failure, that's a great set; just reduce the weight next set.

## Transcript

what's up everybody Jeff Cavalier
aex.com uh after a completely miserable
time trying to get this thing set up I
appreciate
and uh en joining me here um we got a
few guys on live here in the Google
Hangout with us as I like to do I told
you a couple weeks back I thought I had
the NP for this by now but I was worse
today than I was last time we're going
to try to do these every once in a while
so get a chance to reach out to you guys
specifically on team athleen answer some
of your questions this time as you can
see we actually did it um in the portion
of the Xbox
so that I can stand up if I have to demo
anything uh that you guys have to see
and make it a little bit easier to
answer questions what's up everybody
cavali
oh yeah someone's got a echo go all
right so so um anyway we got a bunch of
guys on with us uh D Miller I look down
the line here hey
Matt schn Shane Walsh and I thought we
had JP on here for a minute but he left
he'll probably be back um we're just
gonna start taking some of their
questions hoping that some of their
questions would be some of your
questions uh and see what we can cover
here in the next 30 45 minutes so with
that said I'll start to my left which is
Daniel
um what's up Daniel what's up how's it
going how's it going
good so um yeah I just wanted athl xer
yeah a couple years now it's worked out
really well for me very happy
so what's new and exciting what's on
your mind uh for today now that you got
me here um I'm always uh I'm always
looking to switch up meals so I was just
wondering um just like wondering like
what what you eat in a day like I was
wondering if I could ask you like what
you ate today
exactly today exactly today I want to
know um well the funny thing about about
me really is I tend to eat the same
thing almost every day um and it's
something that I actually tell the guys
that are following athle X that just
because the xfactor meal plan is so
diverse and that there's so many options
that you can have over lunches and
dinners and snacks and all that like
generally I think think the easiest way
to follow the meal plan is to try to um
Zone in on on the the meals that
actually work best for you and that
could be a lot of reasons it could be
availability because we got some guys in
the UK and and and and overseas that
follow the program that don't have
certain things that we offer you know
and in the plan so availability price
and the last time we spoke Dan you were
in college you still in college no I
graduated now I'm full-time working so
my schedule changed a lot
congratulations so you know the in
college you know lifestyle could be
completely different about you know what
what you can afford or can't you know
have access to and also what you
actually like because just because I put
it in a meal plan doesn't mean that it's
something that I expect you to all like
so we tend to zero in on a few things
that we like and then repeat them and
for me uh my breakfast always oatmeal um
I've made it on on video on um you know
on YouTube we have like the pumpkin
oatmeal oh yeah I've never tried that
one looks good Pam pumpkin um little bit
of maple syrup um walnuts you know spr
time I mean it doesn't have to be boring
you know um I have scrambled egg wipes
with Sala and
milk
um I actually didn't have any midm
morning snack because I was up a little
bit late this morning um so I had uh
lunch this afternoon grilled chicken uh
on a whole wheat wrap again lettuce
tomato salsa
um
chabani yogurt well it's actually uh
slightly different one but like a Greek
yogurt um and then just like a sometimes
I'll have like like a diet Snapple or
something like that you know just to mix
it up from water if I don't always want
to have water but I I pound water all
day long I gota have at least 100 ounces
um mid-afternoon snack I had a protein
bar
which protein bars do you usually uh
stick to um I kind of you know I'm
getting bored with a lot of them you
they like I'm starting to grow out of my
my taste I think for some of the protein
bars they all kind of taste like chalk
to me nowadays but have you tried a
think thin which one think thin no no
good they're they're supposedly natural
I know um last time we talked you
recommended those pure protein protein
that's actually the one I had today so I
still have the pure protein bars um I
also uh try every now and then uh one's
called two to one
um and I also uh have had the Labrada
Cookie Bars which are insane the way
they taste they actually they're
actually still meet the profile that I
like to have in a bar which for the guys
that are watching that aren't familiar
with that I usually like to zero one on
around 280 to 350 calorie range with
sugars probably in the 12 you know 12
gram or less range and fats if I can
keep under 10 I try to keep them under
10 um and protein if I can I really try
to aim for about 25 grams of protein in
the bar or more okay because you start
to see some of the options that are out
there you've got super high fat options
like 19 20 grams of fat I mean it really
is no different side by side with a with
a candy bar you know with how much fat
is in there and then when you look at
the sugar content that's usually high
too so there if you I thinky way is one
that makes a protein bar and and it's
it's literally got like protein a little
extra protein it but fat and sugars are
the same and I've seen many bars on the
market that are supposed to be sold in
like vitamin shop that could be side by
side with a Milky Way so glorified candy
bar yeah exactly I mean just because you
have extra protein it doesn't mean
that's still not a candy water it is so
um so those are what I eat and then
tonight I'll have um grilled chicken uh
probably pasta you know I I I'll have a
you know side of pasta I'll still have
sweet potatoes
generally I don't double up on my
starchy carbs like that but you know at
times if I'm training hard I do um and
uh and then I always have my star my
fiberous carbohydrates too and then
later on tonight I'll have um I'll have
my rx3 right before I go to bed which
I've been locked in on that now for a
while yeah so that's that's sort of my
thing in between there um I'll be
working out tonight probably probably
around um right when we're done with
this and then then I'll have a I'll have
an rx2 after that and I usually wait
around an hour before I eat dinner yep I
remember that so that's my that's my
deal today that probably be the same
deal tomorrow
on Saturday too
or a little or a little goine if you get
a little uh lazy on the cooking right
right yeah exactly who uh let me move on
now to uh uh Hey Seuss hey Seuss can you
can you actually ask a question
probably not h
no on to
Matt hey Matt can you hear me yeah I can
hear you I got I got something um so I
have a a post-workout supplement
question I know a lot of other popular
uh supplements like that out there they
have they're very sugary they got a lot
of sugar in them and um looking at
accelerator you know you spent a lot of
personal time making sure those
supplements have exactly what you
in them can you talk about why you kind
of went that Direction with no sugar I
mean some people say sugar have the
workout actually a good thing what
what's your take on it yeah I mean
there's there's a couple reasons I mean
number one research shows or showing you
more more later more lately that um it's
not so important anymore to get carb
replenishment so quickly after a workout
and a matter of fact carbs an influx of
carbs after a workout now they're
starting say that it actually in uh it
impacts your growth hormone release so
the most important thing is going to be
protein always you really it's protein
is really going to be the most important
macronutrient at all times consistently
you're always going to want your carbs
throughout the whole day like I look at
carbohydrates as that you're sustaining
fuel you have to have it all day long
but I don't think there's ever a time
that carbohydrates become a necessity in
a given period of time or a given window
even pre-workout out I don't look at it
that way I think carbohydrates have to
be your sustained your sustained fuel um
and in doing so we usually try try to
choose a lot of the to do that because
we don't want to have these blood sugar
you know impacts on blood sugar where
we're spiking and and
right so we want to just get the the
more sustained releasing carbohydrates
the lower GI carbohydrates and go
throughout the day but again the window
after the workout is starting to prove
to be not so important specifically in
terms of carbohydrates
because you have a much longer period of
time to replenish your muscles it's not
like after 45 minutes your muscle say no
we can't take any more carbohydrates so
protein is a different story though
because you want to start that repair
process as soon after your workout as
you can right you've got a completely
different environment in your body when
you complete a workout hormonally right
so you want what you want to do is make
sure that you're feeding into that and
providing the protein right then there
and that's why whey protein is really
the major constituent of rx2 because you
want to make sure that we get high
quality fast digesting way in there in
terms of what it does it allows you to
add your own carbohydrates I mean the
Cal the caloric uh levels in rx2 are
very low like 150 calories so you can
put a banana in there I'm not saying
that putting carbs into your
post-workout is a bad thing but loading
up on carbs in your first workout I
don't think it's necessary at all so
again mostly because of what they're
showing now in terms of the impact on
growth hormone and your best chance for
for optimizing your growth hormone
levels is going to be off of a hard
intense workout so don't try to do
anything that you can to to decrease
that you know it's really the only
chance you have you know after hard
training to to optimize that all right
cool make sense yeah absolutely thanks
uh we'll get we'll go back around a
couple times but we move down hey Shane
can you hear me yeah can you hear me I
can what's up how's it going I just want
to say greetings from Ireland it's a
long wayel wow
wow nice to have you here what time is
it in Ireland it's actually 11:30 at
night Jesus you got to go to bed soon I
do I actually stayed up for this oh cool
well I appreciate it
just my question um just with regard to
weights choosing a weight when you're
doing going from set to set yeah should
we be should we be trying to increase
the weight on every set or should we
always just pick a weight that always
lets us fail in that 8 12 rep range even
if that means lightening up the weight
yeah that's a great question I love that
question by the way because
it's one of the things that like I try
to always get across to um to anybody I
train uh any of the athletes I work with
you know especially the athletes because
athletes get very focused on numbers
right you know they're stats driven guys
you know they have their stats is how
they get paid so they get focused on
numbers so it usually carries over right
into their their training and with with
the specific number like you're not your
muscles can't count okay they don't
they're not counting and a lot of times
what I find we'll do is we'll set a
number up in our head and sometimes
we're capable of more I don't know if
you if you me we've all found this that
at times when you're training you have
head that 8 to 12 range you get to like
you know 12 and you probably could have
done a couple extra but you figure well
I'm already you know I'm at 12 so I'm
done but you kind of short changed
yourself of the most the most beneficial
reps of that entire set are those last
couple and I I've said it before that
everything you do in a set is to get you
to that last couple but at the same time
you don't want to Short change any given
rep so I'm actually going to show you
something here this is going to be you
know the the reason why I was able to
get set up in here so if I'm here I just
got to try push down as close to me okay
if I'm like doing a rep here and I know
I gotta get to I know I gotta get to 12
or so if I'm going through here did you
ever get to the point where you've done
a specific rep I'm talking about could
be number three okay so I know you can't
see my face anymore but it could be like
number number three if I'm on number
three and I get a really intense
contraction like that you're like holy
cow I could really feel that my triceps
if I do that for the next nine reps
there's no way I'm going to be able to
finish 12 have you ever have you ever
said that to yourself you know I have
you really been there you like oh my God
that was like really hard I'll never be
able to get 12
that was a quality rep so if you kept
doing quality reps hard you know
conscious contraction in the muscle took
it all the way as as much as you could
felt it exactly where you're supposed to
feel it I don't I don't care if you get
seven
if you get seven that's a great set if
you do seven you cannot possibly do the
eighth or the ninth or the 10th that's a
great set now I had told you that the
rep range was 10 to 12 or 8 to 12
whatever you want to say so just
decrease the weight next set you know
because you you know you got seven you
gave it everything you had you didn't go
because here's the alternative I'm in
here I do like I pick a weight I do my
fifth rep I'm like wow holy crap that's
really hard I'm not gonna be able to get
12 well let me do a couple let me do a
couple half-ass reps here like this for
okay seven eight nine 10 11 wa and 12
there we go got one good rep you know
like so you can't count like never never
set yourself up for counting because
like I said next set just drop the
weight down you know go go down one or
two placees or whatever it is and try to
get try to do your best to fail within
that 8 to 12 range but again only if
you're giv quality reps
and what would you think about bringing
in a rest pause
great
great you can do a rest pause I love I
love you know set extending techniques
you know you can do rest pause um you
could do burnouts so even if you failed
at seven so you failed at seven you were
hoping to get 12 burn it out a little
bit drop it down you know maybe a
quarter of the way or a half way if you
have to and burn out for a few
additional reps remember your muscles
are only reacting to
what they're feeling the stress that
you're putting on them in the workout
it's not they're certainly not counting
you know yeah they're not thinking I got
the 12 and I got enough good reps out so
I'm done you know we're only reacting to
the stress that you put on them all that
than I clear lot up so cool let me go uh
down I think we got back um we'll go
back to the front and Daniel hey Su you
still can't hear us right
no um no no all right so I'll go back
down to Daniel what's up Daniel what's
up so uh I told you I'd be standing up
here and get to business oh man yeah
okay so what's um what else is that up
on your mind that well um I just wanted
to give you a little status update so I
I finished athleen X1 finished athlan X2
finished a a extreme
oh man that last one was crazy um I just
wonder what's next in store like what's
next what's Jeff cooking up I know you
got something I knew that I knew this
was gonna come I know you got something
I knew this would come up um so a lot of
guys have been asking which is why I
think you know um you're addressing it
here you're your repr represent of a lot
of the guys I'm representing everyone so
we are uh working on something um to
come out in the fall it was supposed to
come out early this year uh as anybody
that knows me whether it was back to the
supplements whether it was with ax2
that took TNTs two two years to come out
you know at the TNT I mean I'm a I'm a
perfectionist you know and I think that
if there's ways I can make things not
just better than what's out there but
way better than what's out there then
I'm going to take the extra time to do
it because I think it's that important
to do right because there's a lot of
competition in the in the Fitness in the
fitness field in Niche right everybody
is coming up with the new workouts work
out for one day and turn yourself into
Mr Olympia you know I mean everybody's
got all their their stuff with athl and
X I just try to provide you with really
effective cool training built on real
scientific principles that real guys and
guys at the top of the their field are
using so what I thought was a cool
concept for me would be in NXT which is
basically you know a short phrase for
next um it's GNA answer the question
because the funny thing is the number
one question we get from everybody that
starts athle X like if you were to look
at the whole group of all the guys that
have ever joined athl X the number one
question we get within in the first week
is what do I do when the 90 days are
over oh it always makes me laugh because
you know they haven't even finished the
first 90 days yet you know but I like it
because it makes me know that for that
guy this is not a short-term thing this
is this is a this is a commitment and a
lifestyle that he's making that he's
like yeah I want to know because I'm in
I want to do athl X and then I'm gonna
do athl X2 and I want to know what I'm
doing so NXT
is basically going to be able to take
you and always give you that answer
what's next because what we're doing is
we're going to it's all based off the P
all the aing online and how it operates
we're basically going to be able to
start giving you a lot more control over
your path so let's say currently you're
way too skinny according to yourself
we're going to give you the path of sort
of really focusing on bulking up if
that's what you want to do and then
monthly give you new 30-day blocks of
workouts to be able to do that are going
to give you some flexibility within that
so let's say you want to do a um um we
have a new we have some of these already
done that's what I've been working on
and I've been training my ass off trying
to you know put them all together
because I don't ever ask you guys to do
anything that I don't do myself so I've
been doing these phases of training and
one of them uh just as a little teaser
is uh has got something called a tri X
set in there and it's not what you might
think think it is it's actually it's
actually got a more lifting uh uh you
know purpose for it but a tri XX set for
example is we're going to take a weight
that's 90% over your one rep max now 90%
one rep max weight generally can be
lifted around five times believe it or
not I can so like whatever you think you
know your one R Max is on a specific
lift you generally can lift about five
of those for 90% of that what I want I
want to get three of those from you so I
let's say a clean let's just say it's a
it's just a clean a hang clean when I
get three hang cleans right you rest the
balance of 30 seconds so if it's if it
takes you you know 12 seconds to do that
you get an 18 second rest and then you
do another three and then you keep doing
that until you can't get three anymore
until you get two and then you keep
doing that until you can't get two
anymore you get one and you that's it
and that's called a triple X set now
that has a a heavy influence in strength
training right we're looking we're
working on lowend triples and doubles
and stuff like that well that's stuff
that has never made its way into athl X
at this point we haven't done lowend
triples or doubles or singles or
anything like that well because we're
not focused strictly on strength but
there are guys out there that want to
focus strictly on strength so what NXT
is gonna allow us to do is you're gonna
be able to choose your path and actually
have options to follow and let's say you
actually like a month of training that
you actually did you can either move on
to the other options that are available
to you that month for the second month
or you can say no I like this I like
this style of training at that point
it's again very interactive at that
point
training this way or do you want us to
mix up the exercises for you and if you
say well you know I liked how it was but
I like to get some new new new workouts
we'll be able to because the system now
knows intelligently we're going to take
out this exercise and bring in this one
instead because they work the same area
so we'll be able to give you a new Fresh
look at that same style of training
so that's awesome and it's going to be
all in the portal and everything too huh
all in the portal and we're also going
to be adding a lot of social interaction
so we're gonna be taking uh areas now
where you can communicate with other
members within the portal um you'll be
able to like upload your own suggestions
like let's say you have a um a meal plan
suggestion that you you found this
really killer recipe that's been working
great for you you can upload it so other
members can use it and of course we're
going to build in sort of you know I
always like competition whether it be
competition or within the portal if
people like your recipe and it gets
thumbed up the most and voted on the
most we're gonna actually be able to
take that and reward you with points
that you can then take and cash in on
things like future TNTs and and
supplements and things like that so
they'll be a point a point earning uh
system
that sounds great man I'm stuff yeah and
basically the whole bottom line behind
NXT is you'll never have you'll never
have that question again like what is
next for me because it's all all G to be
athlex style training and it's all going
to represent the latest of what I'm
doing right now because it's all being
produced right now so that's the uh
that's the concept now where we where
the idea was to put it out again this
year it wasn't even close like that
wasn't even what the concept was
originally was just going to be like one
one program for everybody to choose from
and I was like no that's not good enough
I want to make sure we can do it we can
get a little bit
in the beginning that's everybody should
like everyone should be working their
way through athl X1 into athl X2 there's
a progression there's a specific
progression from look you can try to
tackle the xt400
right out of the box and you're G to
drop flat on your face
it's a hard challenge if you work your
way up though and through there you're
preparing yourself and just like you
know no athlete has ever gotten to the
pros by straight you know straight there
unless they're unless they're working
their asses off you know in their
development at every stage of the way
you know very few athletes ever just
kind of become a St out the back so we
have to build you up there but then at
that point you're ready to be able to
to Branch off into whatever area
so that's the concept
that's sweet man I can't wait you got to
give me first di since I asked first
got
back over to Matt all right Matt what's
uh what's up next yeah so um I I hate
cooking for one anything it takes a lot
of work to do I I I just can't stand do
it and I I I do use the meal plans um
usually when I can but I know you posted
a video I don't know when it was but was
you know like a mass recipe I I used I
make it a lot I call it the Jeff cavaler
specials the chicken and the the thing
with the tomato and the seasoning or
whatever there any chance you'll be able
to throw out some more mass cooking
recipes like that because it really
helps be able just do that on a Monday
night and eat the rest of the week yes
yes um
it's actually the way so I'm fortunate
enough to have a wife that cooks for me
so uh does not
so I I have I have that that huge
benefit now everything because again I
eat most of the same things most of what
she'll do is she'll cook those things
like let's say sweet potatoes you know
she'll cook it all in one in one batch
and then put it in you know freeze it in
in all separate Tupperware containers
like we must have like a 100 tuffware
containers
put them all you know like store them
allous but when they're all used they're
in the freezer full of all you know all
these things it it makes her life way
easier I mean it probably stinks to day
she has to make it all but it makes her
life a lot easier because you know every
night it's just like you said just
taking one out and it's already
available so no it's it's how I cook and
well it's how the cooking occurs in in
this house but uh um you know it's it's
I think a way that we could uh continue
to give you more options for that I'll
uh we'll we'll do that for sure I mean
again and that's the kind of thing
especially you know um with with the
portal or things like with NXT too we'll
be able to have people on the Fly you
know up upload their new idea about that
too know and be able to to share that
so cool yeah we'll be definitely working
on working on that I mean the concept of
in ax2 of the lean meals and the extreme
meals um that's kind of a cool concept
for us too because um again it sort of
takes your Baseline meal and it tweaks
it one way or the other uh and we're
gonna be adding more of those too as we
go
nice cool
uh
Shane is it past your bedtime yet or you
still up I'm still here okay
question I do actually um my goal right
I'm 183 at the minute and I want to get
to 195 or like just put on size but I
was wondering if it's possible for your
scale weight to go up but to be leaner
or stay as lean because I've struggled
with that in the past
so you're saying that your scale weight
has gone up but you're still staying
lean
no I want to I want my scale weight to
go up but I want to stay lean as well oh
yeah yeah okay no that's definitely
possible um I mean I've even put on
weight in the last three months or so
which is actually kind of tough as you
start to get older like me uh but I
certainly I haven't sacrificed any of my
leanness to do it it's something that
I've that I've sort of been determined
my entire life to do um I used to be
back in in high school probably aund 30
pounds you know um so but and I was I
was lean skinny as a rail but the idea
was the one thing I had back then I
remember a guy told me a long time ago I
walked into a gym in high school
USA Gym in Milford Connecticut and I
went in there to go train and the guy
that was there probably was like 240
pounds and he looked at me and you know
he's like oh you got to start eating
peanut butter sandwiches and you got to
do this you got to do that and he told
me how how it's going to happen B go but
then his partner says to me kind of
pulls me aside he's like don't listen to
him he said you got you got definition
man because you know at the time I kind
of had I had ABS you know I had but I
was a skinny little thing you know but
um he said well look you either have you
gotta have one of two things you either
gotta have mass or you gotta you gotta
be ripped he said but you can't be in
between and I kind of I I kind of
understood what he was saying but it
didn't mean that I had to be skinny and
ripped my whole life you know and I
figured yeah just train if you train
hard you train right and most of all the
thing I was making a mistake about was I
was overtraining dramatically and in an
attempt to try to push that curve and
make it happen faster for me I was
overtraining like a bastard I mean every
day training and training and training
and I I was not allowing myself a chance
to recover at all and for a skinny guy
that's the big that's the biggest sin
that you can make is to overtrain
so I started to cut back on my training
volumes cut back on my training days
increased my intensity though and I
started adding muscle and at no point
because I always ate clean at no point
did I did I ever start trading in you
know start bulking up and getting fat at
the same time completely disp spell in
that myth that you have to get bulky
before you can get cut you know do the
bulky and cutting phase you definitely
don't have to do that so what what's
that I was never in at all so yeah it's
it's actually it's a waste of time
because whatever you might add in bulk
you're still going to have to go back
and supposed supposedly cut it and when
you cut most likely you're going to lose
around 90% to 95% of what you put on um
the whatever added muscle you had too
because it's just too hard to do it and
then let's say you get tired of cutting
halfway through where does that leave
you you like let's say you just kind of
fall out of fall out of the training and
you're like three cors away through your
bulking face well you're just going to
stay fat for the you know for a long
period of time after that because people
realize that the cutting part is a lot
harder than the bulking part anybody can
eat like a pig but cutting is gonna be a
lot harder so if you you cut out halfway
through you know par in the pump but if
you cut out and you stop working out
then you're just left in that bulking
phase and you're not going to look very
good so um what I would recommend to you
is check your training intensity you
kind of asked a question related to that
before about you know the 8 to 12 rep
range and you know and I don't know
because I'm not there training with you
but if you're counting a lot and
thinking that the 8 to 12 is where where
you need to be and and if you're really
focused on numbers as opposed to what I
told you before then really what you're
going to want to do um is forget the
numbers concentrate on your intensity
right give it everything you've got for
the short period of time that you're in
the gym with athletx to give it
everything you've got you'll start to
see the addition of muscle because
you're giving yourself a stimulus to
build without having to change your diet
you know to be to bulk up just continue
to feed yourself properly you know make
sure you're nourishing your muscles that
you're training make sure if you're into
supplementation that you're
supplementing and you're staying
consistent and then at the end of the
day know that you got a hard workout in
that's what's going to add muscle so
hard training with the proper nutrition
is just going to add muscle you'll never
have to worry about adding even a single
percent body fat in order to do that
all right cool thanks sure
um we'll go one more one more time down
the down the list here is is is Jes I
think he's he's the iPhone guy he's on
the iPhone so I don't think he can even
hear us right no I don't know about that
one goes in and out and oh he say he's
here all right so he got a chance let's
ask him a question here since I got him
right now and then we'll go down the
list Jus
yeah he's he's gonna type it here I'll
read it when he when he can type it in
I'll tell you what he can start typing
it now we'll go Dan we'll go to your
question and then I'll read Jesus's
question yeah um I'm re I'm following
along with the chat that's on the Google
Hangout as well and speaking of myths um
one of the guys um from uh Amsterdam
actually was asking a question about
myths um he said he's 18 and people keep
saying that real proper muscle growth
starts at the age of 21 while training
is that true or is that a lie is that a
rumor no that's that's that's got I mean
muscle building you all you gotta do is
look around at your circle of friends
right we've all got that one big friend
right who who seemed like he had hit
puberty around nine you know right I
mean yeah we've all got I remember my
you know my friend that was like that
and was like you just used to sit there
go man how did he get so big so quick or
whatever and it's really an individual
thing you know there's there's different
hormonal environments go you know inside
of everybody and that that's largely
genetic and um there's also bone
structure that's that's obviously
largely genetic um doesn't mean that
anybody can't craft a a really good-look
physique but you know you start your
canvas might be different because again
from bone structure or from you know
from genetics but everybody with hard
work can actually take their canvas and
maximize it but um no I would say that
there's guys that certainly can can
flourish in their early teens me I was
the opposite I I I was exactly what you
were saying there I probably started to
hit my stride when I was in college um
because I think I might have started
high school at 130 like I said and might
have finished it around 145 you know so
I was able to add a little bit of muscle
really college and honestly through my
30s you know still adding it so it's a
much slower process but it doesn't
matter it's real it's real muscle it's
not like this temporary you know um you
know here today gone tomorrow type thing
because I'm doing something tricky or or
or doing something illegal you know that
that's why steroids never had an appeal
to me because I always felt like I as a
young kid I'll admit I sat there and I
was like oh man they they do that free
or they do that fore and you my father
was a medical doctor and he would have
killed me if I ever did anything killed
me like I could have just moved out you
know but I thought to myself even if he
wasn't going to kill me if you're
telling me that what I'm you know that
doing something like that is going to
give you temporary gains which you're
going to lose most of stop and we know
that you can't take that long term
because of the health you know problems
associated with them what the point you
know so just instead just be in it for
the long haul and work at it every day
a pression
um that was a much better route for me
and again it doesn't matter where you
start to see your development could be
early could be in your mid late to team
late teenss it could be you still could
have some really good growing days ahead
of you a lot of great great grown days
ahead of you all depending upon you know
that but you got to make sure that
you're training you know training the
right way nice um I think Jesus's
comments ready I see it I want to get
rid of section fat but I can't I lost
about 60 pounds well congratulations
that's cool man uh I was doing high
intensity interval training got really
skinny in the face
my
well um the issue with belly fat is as
they say it's usually the first part
that guys gain and it's the last part
that that it leaves right so you know
and the other way around in terms of our
faces it's the first place that we lose
fat is in our face now I've got a pretty
bony face you know and a lot of it
because of the level of my of my
leanness so um you know you want to make
sure that uh you understand that we have
preferential areas that are that we our
bodies like to dispose of fat when we
are uh cutting and and losing weight
what I would say to you is um you know
you you still you're not going to get
rid of the midsection fat unless you
continue doing what you're doing um
I I hate the answer but the answer is
kind of that you happen to be one of the
guys that kind of loses it from your
face and ultimately you're going to
platel on that so it's going to come
down to a point where you lose enough
and then that's going to kind of stop
from there and you'll continue to resume
losing it from the rest of your body
wherever you're retaining it again it's
something that I have had to deal with
myself I I used to have a nice big full
face like a you like I was carrying uh
like a squirrel you know but as I got as
I got leaner you know I got I definitely
lost some weight in my face and I've
always said to myself I wish I was a
little bit had a little bit more
underneath my my you know like my cheeks
here because it can kind of make my eyes
look dark and but you know it's just how
it's how I'm made you know and um to me
to be lean everywhere else is what's
most important so I would say to you
it's not like you're going to keep
disappearing in your face until it's
completely gone so you've lost probably
all your lose in your face and if you
keep doing your high-intensity training
it obviously worked for you you lost 60
pounds if you keep doing that you're
going to eventually see that that
stubborn area the last to go will
eventually leave and then you'll be left
with a face that you know people have
gotten to used to by that point uh and a
body that you know you're happy with
cool um
uh so now let's go down next to Matt
again all right um so I'm always someone
who's tried a lot of supplements and I
know you're critical of that industry so
I'm definitely interested in what you
have to say y um other than one 3D which
I know you hate and I've actually
stopped e because of your videos good
are there any other supplements that you
think if are um if not dangerous at
least kind of a waste and and don't
really do anything
um like I I've been I've tried uh nitric
oxide I've tried zma you know for
sleeping um some other stuff and it uh
tribulus
some of that stuff just it doesn't
really I'm not a big pro hormone guy uh
at all you know I'm not a really big
believer in them I don't think it's um
something that you really want to be
playing around anyway um you know there
there have been documented evidence in U
in cases of PR hormones actually having
a lot of you know dilus effects as well
like like 13 diad um and you know
they're not as in the rage anymore
people don't really talk about it much
anymore anyway you know I remember when
I grew up that was the big thing and
especially came out and said that he was
using you know interin Dion that you
know he that kind of brought a lot of
attention to those too but once we kind
got through that phase um you we left
with a lot of a lot of similar
supplements these days you know a lot of
weight proteins a lot of things like you
said um um well creatin variations on
creatin and zma and uh uh you know other
recovery type things and sleep aids and
you know my feeling on self Miss has
always been
you're you know they react differently
to every person right you might
experience some great benefits from zma
where someone else may not my problem
comes into just the danger of it if
you're gonna start putting in something
into supplements like one3 dith and then
act like nothing is wrong because you're
piling up the money as you sell bottle
after bottle after bottle of people but
you know evidence strong evidence in
actual you know cases where they're
linking this directly to the death of
people that are using it in cases like
that that's just Splat out wrong you
know and I I I can't you as you know
from that video I did I think it's
totally irresponsible the supplement
manufacturer um I think it's because
don't tell me they don't know that and
if you don't know that then you're not
researching what you're putting in your
supplements so um I just have a real big
problem with the with the safety of
ingredients if you are putting
ingredients in that are not safe now we
got a problem if you're putting in
ingredients that may not work because
for you they didn't work and for someone
else they did that's anecdotal then you
know and maybe it's working for the
other guy for no other reason other than
um placebo effect you know maybe he's
just loving it you know and he because
it changes how he feels about himself
but if it changes how he feels and he
goes into the gym and trains harder
because he feels good about himself he's
going to start seeing results because he
feels more energetic
about himself not just from the
supplement but about himself he has a
harder workout he gets more results so
no to answer your question there's not
many other ingredients right now that
are on the market that are dangerous um
at least not to my knowledge you know um
but those are the ones that I have a
problem with and all the other things
you know again sometimes are out there
because they're they're Creative
Marketing angles you know new take new
spin on something we all know that works
anyway you know so it's like well we're
going to have this concoction to make it
you know even even even better or
whatever hey I mean some people will
have better results from that some
people won't but as long as you're not
talking about playing with somebody's
Health through your supplements then I
don't really think it's a you know it's
something that um is all that wrong
because there's there's people that are
gonna you know that are going to
experience different results so okay
cool thanks sure
um
Shane
he's still up I'm still here right let
your let's get your last one then we'll
go like a quick um round table last time
through like a like a on line or
something like that uh or Parton comment
whatever you want and then we'll we'll
wrap it up all what do you got Shan
um this question is with regards to
cheat meals now I can go the whole three
months of athx without eating anything
bad no problem but what what point would
you recommend having one to kind of get
that extra energy boost or if you're at
a plateau maybe kind of change up your
diet a bit yeah it's funny about cheat
meals because you know I've always said
that let's just you know as long as
you're looking at them exactly as you
stated it cheap meals as opposed to
cheap days um you know that's the main
uh that's the main difference um a meal
I I've used this analogy a ton of times
but I'm going to use it again because I
think it really helps to uh
conceptualize this you know um a cheap
meal um you got to look at the number of
meals in a week that you're going to eat
and if let's say you're eating five to
six times a week right five to six times
a day you know you're looking at 35 to
42 meals now if you think that one bad
meal if you're locked in on 35 to 42
meals and you think that one bad meal
that you splurge on is going to undo all
of that then you're underestimating how
powerful your body is you know it's very
resilient just as resilient as it is to
building muscle and changing composition
it's also resilient to the types of
foods that you're eating like it likes
to stay in one area that's the whole you
know concept of homeostasis it likes to
stay as it is so one really fatty meal
or one you know really high sugar meal
or whatever yes it's going to have an
impact on your blood sugar or you know
your uh you just sort of the environment
in your body for that for that instance
but it's not in the whole schem of thing
going to do anything and often times
what you'll wind up seeing is and even
in my own experience that I'll go out to
like Michael Jordan's and we'll just eat
whatever you know I go up with a group
of people we'll eat whatever we want and
um you know it you feel like you've
eaten badly or poorly and the next day
you feel bigger stronger and more ripped
than ever you know and like had nothing
but grease and and and oil and all that
stuff in their in their food a lot of
times your body reacts favorably to that
because it is it's just like that it's
just like a workout it's like a it's
like a a temporary shock to your system
so you there's a there is potential to
fall into a little bit of a status quo
of just healthy meals so every now and
then a cheap meal that's where the
benefits of a cheat meal would come in
is that it's just simply a shock to the
to the body and a lot of times you're
getting nutrients that you aren't really
necessarily getting if you're just
locked in um could you see great results
without ever having a cheat meal of
course you could but if you are tempted
to have a cheat meal and the ability to
stay on the program or fall off of the
program is hinging on whether or not you
allow yourself to do that then
definitely allow yourself to do that
because you want to be locked in for the
long term and continue to do the
workouts you don't want to let your
decision to not allow yourself to have a
single cheat meal make you fall
completely off the wagon and then lose
everything no that would never happen no
well there you go but I mean you know
you can certainly you can certainly have
cheat meal without it feeling as if it's
um you know that you're undoing
everything that you were that you were
doing and for that main concept as as I
was going with that you know with that
analogy a baseball player that bats 40
for 42 is going in the Hall of Fame
that's a guarantee
I don't really know much about baseball
we don't really play it here yeah
Cricket a cricket player that that that
does something like that with the
cricket bat is definitely going to be in
the cricket Hall of Fame that's in
England or I'm in Ireland oh well you
don't play what do you play in Ireland
soccer only right uh we play hurling
ever heard of that one no gck
no all right well you know the hurling
Hall of Fame
there you go
um all right cool let me go back to the
beginning here we'll go quick down the
line Daniel uh Jesus oh he's out all
right so um we'll just go Daniel I just
had a I just had a quick parting uh
statement I guess okay I just wanted I
just wanted to say thanks again for
having this chat and everything you do
on YouTube for free everything like that
um I just it it's changed my life so
positively like everyone now thinks that
I'm like some health freak and that I'm
spending so much time like working I'm
like I'm only in the gym for half an
hour man like people are still like
warming up by the time I'm done and like
yeah it just like the way your program
works in like a lifestyle like me where
I have like a ninto five job like it
works and it and it fits in well and I I
feel like I'm able to like do everything
and not it doesn't like change my life
it just makes my life better and I got a
girlfriend now so she she en it so
definitely um I just want to let
everyone know that like I love the
program it's worked out for me and just
stick with it guys and it like I've
never hit a plateau it's always uh I'm
always growing and getting leaner and
everything year round and I just
appreciate like everything you do for us
Jeff like I I know like you hear it a
lot but I just wanted to reiterate that
like I really truly appreciate
everything yeah no thank you I mean
seriously it means a lot and I
appreciate your guys appreciating uh
what we do and what I do it's like uh
you know there's not a there's not a a
minute that goes by in a day that I'm
not thinking something about athl X or
something in some way that I can sort of
give you guys something to uh benefit
from and you know from the early parts
of the week already brainstorming what
the what the Friday video is going to be
about to you know I mean everything it's
just like we try to do um stuff that you
guys are going to see that's beneficial
but at the bottom line yeah I want you
to work hard but I want to give you real
stuff I'm not trying to give you um you
know the latest trendy crap or the stuff
that that people are sort of you know
the receiving uh ads and all that like
either you want to do it or you don't
want to do it you know but I I I it
works it definitely works and you're a
definitely a testament because uh for
those that are watching that don't know
I had a chance to talk to Daniel and I
haven't talked to him in in two years as
I think he said before we got on air but
I had a chance to talk to him a couple
years ago after a a TNT uh he purchased
one of the TNTs from matle X you know
and this guy is still here you know and
still following everything and and it
that's the strongest you know uh
Testament that what is going on here in
affle X is actually working and works
for the Long Haul because if it didn't
you wouldn't still be here and you being
on this chat I do appreciate it and
because as a longtime member um it's
guys like you that kind of are the torch
bearers all the new guys we have a lot
of new guys coming in now and it's the
torch Bearer because you you're you
inspire the other guys to know what's
possible so I appreciate it yeah looking
forward to the future everything else
you're releasing everything always helps
man you always have the newest ideas the
best stuff and just thank you again oh
you're welcome for to speaking with you
sometime soon maybe couple years down
the road all right man you got it let's
go Matt yeah I'll just say real quick um
I I won't name any names but I've done
all the other bigger DVD based programs
and this is by far the best I've gotten
better results in this the last four
months in any of those multiple rounds
of those programs so looking forward to
continuing keep it up great to hear man
man appreciate it no seriously and thank
you for being part of this
and uh Shane the send off in Ireland
um yeah I just want to say like
obviously the guys had their input but
when I first got asley next I was
probably the most skeptical person you
could see like there was so many
programs out there and you just didn't
know which one to pick from but I gave
it a go did ax1 loved it on my second
round of ax2 at the minute and loving
that as well and the looks I get in the
gym and the questions I asked what are
you doing where are you getting it from
I did the xt400 there a couple of weeks
ago and the amount of questions I was
getting after it I was in the puddle of
sweat and everyone just wants to go on
to it now so I'm promoting your product
that's cool I well you know and what's
really one of the coolest things about
it is you know I'm teasing you here
about hurling and everything else but um
I I am always fascinated you know about
how many guys we have around the world
we have people all over the place um
that are using athleen X and every day
it it's just astounding to me I think
it's really really cool I wish at times
that I could be a little bit more um a
little bit more eurocentric you know
where I I am a bit more in tune on a
schedule standpoint but here you are
doing this you know late at night and
you're staying up and I appreciate that
and it's like I'm so locked into East
Coast mentality here you know outside of
New York that I'm always sort of on a on
a schedule that conflicts a lot of times
with the guys overseas but um you know
it's not that I don't appreciate that I
appreciate any less what you you're your
guys support for what I do so hopefully
in the future we'll be able to start
timing some of these things a little bit
more conducive to your your schedules um
as that but just want to make sure it
doesn't go understated that your uh your
fanship and your your following athex
and everything
is just as important as everybody here
uh in the States because it's it's it's
all team athlete and I think it's a I
think it's great all right thanks very
much thank you all right guys well that
uh brings us to the end of this Google
Hangout if you didn't have a chance to
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you guys uh as fans and give you a
chance to ask me questions directly all
right but uh I will be back here as I
said uh before to Daniel we got another
video coming this week uh back here in
the Xbox all new stuff all right and in
the meantime make sure you check out
athlex over at aex.com I'll see you guys
back here in a couple days all right all
right thanks Jeff all right thanks Jeff
see you guys