[0:56] Hello internet. My name is Tal Essen
[0:58] >> and I'm Evel
[0:58] >> and welcome to a WOW podcast. Obviously,
[1:01] episode number
[1:02] >> 76.
[1:04] >> 76. I don't know why I even bother
[1:06] asking anymore because it's a good
[1:07] number. [laughter]
[1:07] >> It's not like I'm going to catch you
[1:08] out.
[1:09] >> Well, we have to we have to get to like
[1:10] to the good numbers again. We need the
[1:12] fun numbers. [laughter]
[1:14] What's next?
[1:15] >> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. We are
[1:16] here. Let's go.
[1:20] >> Oh, and on today's podcast, we are going
[1:22] to be talking about what players are
[1:24] unhappy about right now. And there's
[1:26] loads of it. Okay. We're going to be
[1:28] talking Camelot.
[1:29] >> Yes.
[1:29] >> We're going to be talking Zuljan.
[1:32] >> We're going to be talking Wowhead.
[1:35] >> And of course, we're going to be talking
[1:36] patch 12.0.7 revelations and all the
[1:38] revelations in there. Tell you what,
[1:40] >> there's a lot to talk about. You can't
[1:42] enjoy the new zone Val with its snowy
[1:45] goodness and its its beautiful icy cold
[1:49] feels. If you can't enjoy that right
[1:51] now,
[1:51] >> then you're never going to enjoy it.
[1:52] >> No, it's as simple as that, right? You
[1:54] know, like if you can't go into that
[1:56] zone and be like, "Oh, actually, you
[1:57] know, oh, that's kind of helping.
[1:59] Actually, that's kind of good." Uh then
[2:01] b you're screwed. You're never going to
[2:03] enjoy it. It's as simple as that. Hands
[2:04] up in the chat if you are enjoying Valve
[2:07] New Zone. Um, and if you're looking
[2:09] forward to what we're going to be
[2:09] talking about on the podcast today from
[2:11] Sunny Sunny Swansea, if you hear any
[2:15] noises of fans in the background, tough
[2:18] titty. Um, tell us sounds like it's
[2:20] getting picked up from a different mic.
[2:21] Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I think I just need to
[2:23] turn myself up a bit there.
[2:24] >> There you go. Crank yourself up, baby.
[2:26] >> In this heat. Yeah. You may notice.
[2:29] >> Yeah. Is that Is that a Hopefully that's
[2:31] a little bit better. Maybe [laughter]
[2:32] I'll check it. Hang on. Hang on. You You
[2:33] keep talking. You may notice that uh it
[2:36] is we are looking particularly shiny. Uh
[2:39] in case you haven't seen the news,
[2:41] there's a bit of a heat wave going on in
[2:43] the UK uh at the moment. Uh which is
[2:46] increasing the level of shine, which is
[2:48] increasing fan uh noise as well. Uh so
[2:51] yeah, but uh so I'm not actually looking
[2:53] at my PC right now. I cannot bear to
[2:55] turn on another giant machine. So I'll
[2:57] be reading chat on my laptop in front of
[3:00] me, which is why I'm looking down as I
[3:02] melt.
[3:03] >> [laughter]
[3:04] >> Yeah, I just meant like talk about uh
[3:06] super chats and stuff like that, but
[3:07] that's cool too.
[3:08] >> That's super chat. Absolutely. I meant
[3:10] like you show stuff really just like
[3:13] shoot the [ __ ] But that's cool.
[3:14] >> You don't want to You don't want to talk
[3:15] about my hair? I think my hair is
[3:16] looking quite
[3:17] >> You were very upset with your hair when
[3:18] you got it done. [snorts]
[3:19] >> I I was
[3:20] >> You You were moody for like a day and a
[3:22] half
[3:22] >> and the sun came out and it made it and
[3:24] it made it the right color. Anyway,
[3:26] >> Taling got older. It's true. Every time
[3:29] I [ __ ] your mom, I get a line on my
[3:31] face. Whoa.
[3:33] [laughter]
[3:35] [clears throat]
[3:35] >> God. Going to have to edit that out of
[3:37] the auto audio version.
[3:38] >> No, you're not. What are you talking
[3:40] about? [laughter]
[3:42] >> Anyway, um should you like Tally to
[3:45] continue saying things like that or if
[3:47] you'd like [laughter] us to talk about,
[3:49] you know, you're very, you know, some
[3:50] people are just into that kind of thing.
[3:52] Uh please feel free to drop us a super
[3:54] chat if you're watching on YouTube. Um
[3:57] we will go through those uh towards the
[3:59] end of today's show. Uh, drop us your
[4:01] thoughts, your comments, your questions,
[4:04] your anything you want to tell us. Uh,
[4:08] throw them in there. So, uh, yeah, I
[4:11] look forward to seeing those at the end
[4:12] of the show today.
[4:13] >> Yeah. Uh, looking forward to it. Yes.
[4:15] Make us talk about whatever you want.
[4:17] Uh, if you just want to kind of be like,
[4:19] yo, um, why are you complaining so much
[4:23] about the heat? Just get air
[4:24] conditioning. I live in like Texas or
[4:27] whatever where it's way hotter. Yeah.
[4:29] >> Um, and you know, I get out of my air
[4:31] conditioned into my air conditioned car
[4:34] where I drive for an hour to my air
[4:37] conditioned and then, you know, I might
[4:39] stop off in the like um Starbucks
[4:43] drive-thru on my way home
[4:46] to in my air conditioned house again
[4:47] playing WoW. And I'm hardly hot at all,
[4:50] man. So, like, what is what's wrong with
[4:53] you guys? [laughter]
[4:54] >> Yeah, exactly. Um, you've probably heard
[4:57] it already, but yeah, the the UK is it's
[4:59] built different. It's not quite built
[5:01] for uh heat waves. So, we get like three
[5:04] days a year, I'd say, which are kind of
[5:06] unbearable, increasing every year.
[5:08] >> And also, air conditioning didn't exist
[5:09] in uh Victorian times when most of our
[5:11] houses were built. Um, so it's, you
[5:13] know, they they're brick houses. They
[5:15] don't have like hollow walls and stuff
[5:17] and and they're kind of they're just
[5:19] they're just, you know, I guess you
[5:21] could retrofit them with air
[5:22] conditioning, but it would be a lot of
[5:24] effort.
[5:25] >> Exactly. For for just a few days. And to
[5:27] be fair, downstairs is kind of nice.
[5:29] Downstairs feels like a little cellar.
[5:31] Uh upstairs where the office is,
[5:34] [laughter]
[5:35] that's the maximum heat exposure we're
[5:37] getting.
[5:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Because we're right
[5:39] underneath the roof here and our roof is
[5:41] currently um uninsulated. So when when
[5:44] the heat bangs down on it, it gets very
[5:46] very hot indeed. So uh yeah, so excuse
[5:48] that if we are glistening, and I know we
[5:51] are. Gosh, I know I am. Been glisting
[5:53] all day. Uh you know, I'm wearing linen
[5:56] shirts with buttons undone. We're
[5:57] looking pretty sexy, I reckon.
[5:59] >> I I actually, you know what? Not too
[6:01] bad. I don't know if you guys caught our
[6:03] our photos over on like Instagram and uh
[6:06] Twitter, but Tally took his socks off
[6:09] yesterday. It was kind of crazy.
[6:10] >> Excuse me. I'm not wearing socks right
[6:12] now. I haven't worn socks all week. Are
[6:15] you kidding me? I wear socks down the
[6:17] beach, right? Because like, you know, I
[6:19] like it when I come out the sea and I
[6:22] and I've got sandy feet and stuff and I
[6:24] dry my feet and I get rid of the sand.
[6:25] There's something really lovely about
[6:26] putting on a clean pair of socks after
[6:29] the beach, you know, after you've been
[6:30] walking around barefoot and you've been
[6:32] kind of, you know, getting sand in
[6:33] between your toes and things like that.
[6:35] I think it's actually really lovely to
[6:37] to do that. Um, and that feeling of
[6:39] socks. So, yeah, I take my socks down
[6:41] the beach. get over it. But uh I I don't
[6:44] wear them generally otherwise at the
[6:46] moment. Yeah. [clears throat]
[6:47] >> I just posted a photo of you sitting
[6:48] outside on uh in our garden like in the
[6:52] heat wearing socks and everyone's like,
[6:54] "Why is that man wearing socks?"
[6:55] >> Oh, right. Yeah, sure. I mean, okay.
[6:57] Okay.
[6:57] >> It became a bit of a discourse.
[6:59] >> That's fair enough. You're allowed to
[7:00] make fun of me. That's okay. Just don't
[7:02] make fun of my wife. [laughter]
[7:05] >> Exactly. Um, especially especially if
[7:08] she has to leave a mythic plus key to go
[7:11] look after her children.
[7:12] >> Speaking of people who aren't very happy
[7:15] in the World of Warcraft, now I
[7:17] deliberated long and hard about whether
[7:19] to talk about this on the show because
[7:20] it has been one of the main discourses
[7:22] of the week and I wasn't going to
[7:25] because it's kind of impossible not to
[7:26] name and shame and I don't like doing
[7:28] that. I don't like, you know, I don't
[7:30] want anyone to get any flak because
[7:32] we've talked about something on the
[7:33] podcast or something like that. But then
[7:36] I learned something which made me go,
[7:37] "Oh, [ __ ] it. Who cares? Let's talk
[7:39] about it." Um, so I don't know if you've
[7:40] seen this, uh, but one of the main
[7:42] discourses of the week on social media
[7:44] for World of Warcraft, and don't worry,
[7:46] we'll get into like real life
[7:49] in just a moment. Was a I see if I can
[7:52] get rid of the name. There we go. Yeah.
[7:54] Uh, was a
[7:58] Twitter post which has um Oh, hang on.
[8:04] Oh no.
[8:05] Oh no.
[8:06] >> Where's R bring that back. Where's that
[8:09] gone?
[8:09] >> What's that?
[8:10] >> Oh no.
[8:10] >> Oh no.
[8:12] >> Oh, it's not going to show. Malfunction.
[8:14] >> Do you know this happened on stream the
[8:15] other day, actually? Yeah. Yeah. Uh
[8:20] >> wait a minute. I'm just going to have to
[8:21] >> Okay, just do it. Just do it manually.
[8:24] Um someone in chat is asking about
[8:25] Speaking of asking about schools. It is
[8:27] so hot. They have closed the schools.
[8:30] Yeah,
[8:31] >> it's literally a heat emergency. Like we
[8:35] it's your responsibility to make sure
[8:36] that your children drink enough water
[8:38] today.
[8:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Seriously.
[8:39] >> It's like uh that we can No, we do not
[8:42] accept liability for that.
[8:43] >> Okay. So, I'm not going to have it on
[8:45] No, actually, I do need to sort this out
[8:46] because I want to throw stuff on screen.
[8:47] >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
[8:48] >> Maybe you can describe uh what happened,
[8:51] Evie, while I'm while I'm getting it on
[8:52] screen. Uh, so, uh, in case you missed
[8:54] it, there was a a bit of a discourse
[8:56] going around, uh, in which someone
[8:58] tweeted, you know, I'm going to pull it
[9:00] up right now so I can I can relay it to
[9:02] you faithfully and accurately.
[9:04] >> Oh, I got it. I got it. You got it. Well
[9:06] done.
[9:06] >> Sorry about that. Okay. If you are
[9:08] pregnant and you join a Mythic Plus, he
[9:10] was a man, so I'm doing a man voice as
[9:12] you can tell.
[9:12] >> If you're a parent, sorry, that's the
[9:13] >> If you're a parent and you join a Mythic
[9:16] Plus run, you deserve to be permanently
[9:18] banned. Let's just sit on that for a
[9:20] second.
[9:20] >> Yeah. Okay. Um, that means that means if
[9:23] Chris Metson joins a Mythic Plus run, he
[9:25] deserves to be permanently banned
[9:26] because I know for a fact he's a parent.
[9:28] Uh, like if Donald Trump joins a Mythic
[9:30] Plus run, he deserves to be permanently
[9:32] banned because he's a parent.
[9:33] >> Now, when I first heard this, I was
[9:34] like, okay, a little bit of hyperbole on
[9:37] Twitter. We've all been there, right? A
[9:39] little bit of exaggeration, but no,
[9:41] >> there's more. And, you know, maybe I'd
[9:43] like to know your views on this as well.
[9:45] That's why I'm bringing it up because I
[9:46] love a discourse, right? And it's
[9:47] something that has affected us
[9:48] personally a couple of years ago as well
[9:50] because I remember this exact thing
[9:51] happening to us. So, uh maybe in
[9:55] retrospect, you should be permanently
[9:56] banned Evie.
[9:57] >> I think I should.
[9:58] >> Um
[9:58] >> this person went AFK because their baby
[10:01] woke up and since they were solely
[10:02] responsible for it, they abandoned us
[10:04] for and we ended up breaking the stone.
[10:07] Wow. That must be a Spanish turn of
[10:09] phrase Spanish. Breaking the stone. Not
[10:12] killing the key. Breaking the stone.
[10:13] >> Just some auto translate going on there.
[10:15] Can Can we find uh like other
[10:17] anacronisms for what people call killing
[10:19] a key like in different languages and
[10:20] making a t-shirt of it with all
[10:22] different translations of killing the
[10:23] key? I just think that would be very
[10:25] cool. And then a picture of a baby at
[10:26] the bottom.
[10:27] >> Of course,
[10:27] >> picture the baby like I did it. This was
[10:29] me. I made this. [laughter]
[10:32] You're probably thinking, I'm
[10:33] exaggerating, right? Let's look at it
[10:35] from another perspective. Imagine you
[10:37] have to leave in 15 minutes, go to to go
[10:40] to work if you don't want to be late.
[10:42] Would you join a dungeon that lasts at
[10:44] least 35 minutes? Probably not, because
[10:46] even in the best case scenario, you're
[10:48] likely to have to abandon the group.
[10:49] Well, the case with your child is
[10:51] exactly the same.
[10:54] If you're alone with the responsibility
[10:55] of the baby, you cannot commit to 35
[10:59] minutes with four other people because
[11:00] there's a chance you'll have to abandon
[11:02] them. So, according to your logic, as
[11:03] long as Sorry, now he's doing a voice or
[11:05] something. So, according to your logic,
[11:07] as long as I'm alone taking care of my
[11:08] child, it means I can never play
[11:10] competitively competitively in Well, I'm
[11:12] I'm going to do the voice as I think he
[11:14] he hears it.
[11:15] >> Yeah.
[11:16] >> So, according to your logic, as long as
[11:18] I'm alone taking care of my child, it
[11:20] means I can never play competitively in
[11:22] a group correct. I'm glad you got it.
[11:26] >> Oh,
[11:27] >> now, no judgment. You can you can
[11:29] probably guess where we're coming from
[11:30] on the judgment scale here by how we've
[11:33] been talking about it already. But no
[11:35] judgment to people in this chat because
[11:36] people in this chat are very very cool
[11:37] and nice.
[11:38] >> Yeah.
[11:39] >> Uh oh, there's a picture of the uh the
[11:41] thing here as well. Um
[11:44] >> what are your views on this? Because you
[11:46] know to a certain extent, let's be
[11:48] reasonable and fair here. Man has a
[11:50] point. Like you shouldn't be committing
[11:51] to keys. And this was a plus 17 by the
[11:54] way. So, I [laughter] mean I mean I
[11:58] hardly what I describe as competitive
[12:00] key in this day and age, but okay, it's
[12:03] a plus 17. That's like in the serious
[12:05] level. I'm sure he marked it as
[12:07] competitive and things like that. So,
[12:08] you know, assuming assuming it was a
[12:11] competitive labeled key and not a
[12:14] relaxed labeled key,
[12:17] uh was this person in the wrong? And you
[12:19] know, should should you like what what
[12:21] do you think of his example first of
[12:22] all, I guess, about joining a key when
[12:25] you know you've only got 15 minutes
[12:26] before you have to leave for work.
[12:27] >> Yeah. I mean, it's kind of funny because
[12:30] leaving for work in 15 minutes and
[12:32] having an actual child that you look
[12:34] after 24/7 is kind of a, you know, it
[12:38] doesn't really line up. You know, you
[12:40] know that you're leaving for work in 15
[12:42] minutes. You don't know if your child's
[12:44] going to wake up from a nap in 15
[12:45] minutes.
[12:47] >> You know they might. Yeah. Well, then in
[12:48] that by that logic, yeah, I you know,
[12:50] you follow this guy's logic to the end.
[12:52] That means you should never do a key
[12:54] because nursery might call. Correct.
[12:56] >> I'm glad you got it.
[12:57] >> Exactly. Nursery might call and send
[12:59] them home. Even if you have daycare, if
[13:01] they're with your granny, the they might
[13:03] die and you might have to go and pick
[13:05] them up like you have to bother if they
[13:07] die.
[13:08] >> Well, yeah. Well, no, the granny might
[13:11] on her, [laughter]
[13:13] >> you know, and it's like, ah, right. Um,
[13:16] that's Yeah. And so yeah, of course, if
[13:18] you follow this person's logic to the
[13:20] end, it means no one uh with children
[13:22] should ever do keys.
[13:24] >> Well, I mean, you don't have to follow
[13:25] to an end. That's that's exactly what
[13:26] he's saying.
[13:26] >> Yeah. Exact. Exactly. But if I push this
[13:28] a little further, um I would go and say
[13:31] that like if you're a human being who
[13:33] has normal bodily functions and has to
[13:35] [ __ ] I would argue you also should
[13:38] never do a key because you never know
[13:40] >> you might need a [ __ ]
[13:41] >> when you might need a [ __ ] You might be
[13:42] one of those people.
[13:42] >> You might have you might have an
[13:43] aneurysm. You might be one of those
[13:45] people who knows 15 minutes in advance,
[13:49] and I know you're out there.
[13:50] >> If you're relying on an electricity
[13:52] grid,
[13:53] >> you know, then um then then it might cut
[13:56] off. If you're in America, it's very
[13:58] likely that your internet is going to
[13:59] cut off.
[13:59] >> Yeah.
[14:00] >> So, I mean,
[14:01] >> it's it's extremely likely if you live
[14:02] in a society, you are not allowed to do
[14:05] keys because something might happen,
[14:09] >> right?
[14:09] >> Yeah.
[14:09] >> That and it's like uh I and I, you know,
[14:13] and Exactly. Like it sucks. It sucks
[14:15] when you when you break a key. That's a
[14:17] bad feeling.
[14:18] >> Okay. So So [laughter]
[14:19] I I agree with you implicitly. I'm just
[14:21] trying to like devil's advocate a little
[14:22] bit, you know, because of the discourse
[14:24] cuz believe it or not, there are some
[14:25] people that agree with this. And like I
[14:27] say, maybe there are people um in in the
[14:29] chat do and like I say, no shade if
[14:31] that's what you believe. That's
[14:31] absolutely fine because I think I think
[14:33] it is a valid topic for debate. I myself
[14:36] have been a member of a key group
[14:38] >> where the key got bricked because some
[14:42] unthoughtful,
[14:43] uncaring,
[14:45] unprofessional
[14:47] hunter
[14:48] >> had to go and look after the baby cuz it
[14:50] woke up in the middle of the key. And
[14:52] you know, you could argue maybe I should
[14:54] have done that cuz it was also my baby
[14:55] and I was in exactly the same room at
[14:57] the same time. But I was healing and we
[15:00] thought that we could probably do
[15:01] without the the [laughter] hunter a
[15:02] little bit more. So Evie had to go and
[15:04] get the baby and I didn't have to. Okay.
[15:07] So, you know, but I knew So, here's the
[15:09] thing. Here's why. I was I I was okay in
[15:12] that situation cuz I knew that you would
[15:14] have to go and get the baby if it woke
[15:15] up. SO, I WAS FINE to join that key, but
[15:17] it was you, Evie. It was you that
[15:19] shouldn't have joined it.
[15:21] >> Correct. I'm glad you got it.
[15:23] >> Yeah.
[15:24] [laughter]
[15:25] >> That's why I play healer. A so I don't
[15:27] have to bother with interrupts. And B,
[15:29] so I don't have to bother with being
[15:30] interrupted by babies.
[15:32] >> [laughter]
[15:33] >> But, you know, like I I feel like I
[15:36] don't think anyone who's ever been a
[15:38] parent
[15:39] >> would have written this. It's as simple
[15:40] as that. And and the person who wrote
[15:42] this, if you have been a parent,
[15:44] apologies. And I don't want to pull the
[15:45] parent card, okay? I don't want to do
[15:47] that thing like, well, people who don't
[15:48] have kids don't understand. They don't
[15:50] have to understand to know that their
[15:51] keys been ripped, right? But there's
[15:53] that thing of like most of the time that
[15:55] baby probably sleeps a certain amount of
[15:58] time at a certain time of the day and
[16:00] you're like, you know, well, I've done
[16:02] all the washing up. I've done all the
[16:03] cleaning. I've done all the things I
[16:05] desperately do when this uh kid is
[16:07] sleeping
[16:08] >> and I've got, you know, according to
[16:10] usual routines about an hour.
[16:13] >> Sounds like time for the one key I can
[16:15] do this week, right?
[16:16] >> I remember those days.
[16:17] >> I'll do a I'll do a nice low key that
[16:20] any old scrub can do. 17 and let's rock
[16:23] it, you know.
[16:24] >> Um, so, uh, and also
[16:28] >> even if it does annoy you and even if
[16:30] you do think it's bad, you must know
[16:32] you're going to get your ass handed to
[16:34] you if you go and write this.
[16:36] >> No, the the lack of for
[16:40] even if you hate brown people, right, we
[16:42] can't do anything about that. Don't go
[16:43] on the internet and say it.
[16:45] >> You're going to get [ __ ] right? I'm not
[16:46] saying this person hates brown people.
[16:47] >> Do go on the internet. This person
[16:49] doesn't unless they've got babies and
[16:51] are trying to run keys with them, in
[16:53] which case, you know,
[16:55] >> that's it. Okay. Um, I'm not saying this
[16:58] person hates babies of other races,
[17:00] unless they wake up when someone in
[17:01] their key is is trying to trying to do
[17:04] the key with him, in which case they do,
[17:05] but not nothing to do with race, right?
[17:07] But so what I'm saying [laughter] is you
[17:10] It's one of those things where, you
[17:12] know, you're going to get your [ __ ]
[17:13] [ __ ]
[17:14] >> pushed back in by the internet on this
[17:15] one.
[17:16] >> [ __ ] pushed [laughter] back.
[17:17] >> Yeah. like the internet is going to take
[17:19] one look at your [ __ ] and push it right
[17:20] back in on this one.
[17:22] >> Yeah.
[17:22] >> Yeah. Um and I'm also a bit you know
[17:25] what the the fact that someone thought
[17:26] it was cool to just put this out there.
[17:28] Listen, I'm I'm uh I'm an old-timer.
[17:30] I've seen stuff on the internet and I
[17:32] understand that like there is no
[17:34] threshold anymore for people saying
[17:37] dumbass [ __ ] Um so in a way I wasn't
[17:39] surprised. I was quite a bit
[17:41] disappointed in the people who were like
[17:43] well he's got a point. It's like
[17:45] >> I'm going to assume I'm going to assume
[17:47] that this guy
[17:49] >> uh had posted his group as a competitive
[17:51] group and not as a relaxed group. Okay,
[17:53] maybe maybe someone can correct me. Now
[17:56] >> I have checked his stream
[17:58] >> but only only for to check something
[18:00] else, right? Um so I feel like you know
[18:03] if this was a relaxed key then this guy
[18:05] hasn't got a leg to stand on basically,
[18:07] right? But if it was if it was
[18:09] competitive, then I would say that
[18:11] actually, you know, kind of on the
[18:14] parent here to to make sure you're
[18:16] applying to relaxed keys, you know, if
[18:18] if if you're if you're there looking
[18:19] after your kids and I I would be
[18:22] applying to relaxed keys. I only apply
[18:24] to relaxed keys anyway to be honest
[18:25] because you know
[18:27] >> as as is well known I'm like 100%
[18:31] uh the reason I only apply to relaxed
[18:33] keys is because I love it when someone
[18:34] starts getting a bit angry or annoyed
[18:36] just typing in chat
[18:38] >> well that's not very relaxed of you it's
[18:41] just my favorite thing and it only works
[18:43] if I do relaxed he right so and it
[18:45] always gets a laugh it always breaks the
[18:47] tension it always like you know wins the
[18:50] argument right and then just like well
[18:52] that's not very relaxed
[18:53] and everything is cool again. And I just
[18:55] think that's really great and I love
[18:56] that. So I especially now I'm tanking as
[18:58] well. I'm doing um plus 10s on my on my
[19:00] paladin now.
[19:02] >> Um and uh yeah, I would I I don't know
[19:04] the roots, right? I I hit which ones are
[19:07] lit up
[19:08] >> cuz [laughter] I've got that setting on
[19:09] >> and that's it. I don't know the pulls. I
[19:12] don't know the roots. Sometimes it
[19:13] annoys people. So I only do relaxed
[19:14] keys, right? You know. Um and uh yeah.
[19:17] So I I yeah in that case I would say
[19:21] still not doesn't deserve the the [ __ ]
[19:24] this poster is trying to give the parent
[19:27] but you know I yeah maybe maybe look at
[19:30] relaxed keys in the future that that
[19:32] function exists.
[19:33] >> Yeah
[19:33] >> that's that's the mostly way I can give
[19:35] this poster in terms of agreeing with
[19:36] him.
[19:37] >> Sure. Sure.
[19:38] >> So I don't care about this. So
[19:39] >> you know maybe maybe be like hey uh FYI
[19:42] I might be interrupted at some point.
[19:45] >> Mhm. you know, maybe just comm you know,
[19:46] you can you can also choose
[19:48] >> you just get instick from the key if you
[19:49] did that even on the relaxed to be to be
[19:52] fair. So, I can see why you wouldn't do
[19:53] that.
[19:54] >> Okay, that's also possible.
[19:55] >> Yeah, like I I I I get it, you know, and
[19:57] I'm sure there are many people in
[19:58] similar situations who have kids or who
[20:01] are living with some kind of uh like
[20:04] disability, which means they might, you
[20:06] know, have to run off
[20:07] >> for an emergency or something or or or
[20:09] any other like someone might just get
[20:12] the doorbell might [ __ ] ring. Like
[20:14] I've I've had more people leave keys
[20:18] because the doorbell rang [laughter]
[20:20] than because their kids have woken up.
[20:21] Do you know what I mean? And like you
[20:23] know what are we going to say? If you've
[20:24] got a doorbell, you shouldn't be
[20:26] running. You should be perma band. He
[20:28] doesn't say you shouldn't be running
[20:29] keys. He said you should be perma band
[20:31] >> if you've got a doorbell [laughter]
[20:34] because how do you know it's not going
[20:35] to ring
[20:37] >> correct? I'm glad you got it.
[20:39] >> You know, and like exactly what you what
[20:41] you supposed to do, man. Um I I like and
[20:44] and you know what
[20:46] person who left maybe next time just say
[20:48] the doorbell cuz no one seems to mind
[20:51] that apparently. Just say next time just
[20:53] say it's the doorbell
[20:54] like
[20:55] >> Yeah.
[20:56] >> Yeah.
[20:56] >> Emergency bio.
[20:57] >> Exactly. I I didn't care about this,
[20:59] right? I I wasn't even going to talk
[21:01] about this. But the thing that really
[21:02] spun my gears on it and the reason I'm
[21:05] bringing it up
[21:06] >> because I I don't agree with this
[21:08] person, you know, but whatever. The
[21:09] internet's going to take care of it. the
[21:11] internet will make themselves known uh
[21:13] in their comments and you know I don't
[21:15] approve of any any [ __ ] being given to
[21:17] anyone.
[21:18] >> Uh so please don't go to this tweet and
[21:20] like
[21:22] >> give any [ __ ] or nastiness or harassment
[21:24] or anything like that. If you do that,
[21:25] you're no friend of ours. We don't want
[21:27] anything to do with you.
[21:29] However [laughter]
[21:31] um, someone went to the stream where
[21:33] this happened and I, this is why I went
[21:35] to the stream, right, was so I could
[21:37] check to see if this was real and it
[21:39] wasn't like adopted screen like and I I
[21:41] can confirm it is real.
[21:42] >> Is it real?
[21:43] >> Yeah. This this this streamer
[21:46] filed a report on this player who left
[21:49] the key
[21:51] uh and reported them for
[21:55] terrorist violent content
[21:59] and also child abuse.
[22:01] >> Oh wow.
[22:02] >> And in the comments put he is abandoning
[22:04] a ch he is abandoning a child in the
[22:06] streets.
[22:09] >> And that my friend is a false report.
[22:12] >> Yeah. Like, and also ironically shows
[22:15] how [ __ ] your your initial point is
[22:17] because what you actually reported them
[22:19] for was the exact 180° polar opposite of
[22:23] what they actually did. They left the
[22:25] key to look after their child. And you
[22:28] know, that's such a good reason to leave
[22:30] a key that you had to report THEM FOR
[22:32] THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THAT, ABANDONING
[22:34] their child. So, you know, you know it's
[22:37] okay to abandon a key to look after your
[22:39] child because YOU HAD TO LIE IN YOUR
[22:41] REPORT and say they did the EXACT
[22:43] OPPOSITE. IF YOU'RE SO [ __ ] SURE that
[22:46] that's a a good reason for reporting
[22:48] someone, report them for what they
[22:50] actually did, you piece of [ __ ] [ __ ]
[22:53] And also don't file a false report on
[22:57] your [ __ ] STREAM WHERE SOMEONE CAN GO
[22:59] AND LOOK AT IT AND THERE'S [ __ ]
[23:01] PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence of you falsely
[23:04] ACCUSING SOMEONE OF CHILD ABUSE. There
[23:07] is someone who's going to get
[23:08] pertinently banned here, dude. And it's
[23:10] you. You [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
[23:13] >> That's what made me angry and that's why
[23:15] I included it in the show. [laughter]
[23:18] Imagine
[23:20] reporting someone for child abuse
[23:22] because they stopped playing a video
[23:24] game to look after their child.
[23:26] >> Yeah,
[23:27] >> that's [ __ ] insane. It's like he's
[23:30] literally angry about someone looking
[23:32] after their child instead of playing a
[23:34] video game and reports them
[23:36] >> for the opposite of that. Like
[23:38] >> it's just like and just doing that is
[23:40] such a waste of time for everyone.
[23:42] >> Oh, thank you. Thank you for like
[23:43] lowering tone of your voice there and
[23:44] making it more calm. We all needed that.
[23:46] I appreciate you. Thank you. It's just
[23:47] that's just my go-to. It's just such a
[23:50] waste of time for everyone like putting
[23:52] in like I Yeah, it's it's really
[23:55] >> What's though? Well, you like they've
[23:58] ripped they've ripped a 17 cuz one
[24:00] person left. So, I'm not getting It's
[24:02] not that high, is it?
[24:03] >> Yeah,
[24:03] >> let's be real.
[24:04] >> Yeah.
[24:06] >> So, look, man.
[24:08] >> Uh Yeah. Look, I I wasn't even going to
[24:10] cover this. I wasn't even going to do
[24:11] it. Um, but reporting someone
[24:15] fraudulently for terrorism and child
[24:17] abuse when they did the literal opposite
[24:20] of it
[24:21] >> is insane. Like absolutely wild and Oh,
[24:25] dude mate.
[24:27] >> Yeah,
[24:27] >> this is you know
[24:29] >> you're in trouble, dude.
[24:31] >> Like like filing a false report on
[24:34] stream. Are you insane?
[24:36] >> I know.
[24:37] >> Are you a [ __ ] Are you dumb? Thank
[24:39] goodness you are cuz you deserve the
[24:41] ban. But like, thank goodness you
[24:42] weren't more clever about it.
[24:44] >> Holy heck.
[24:45] >> I know, right?
[24:45] >> Absolutely insane. I can't believe it. I
[24:47] can't. And And also just shows a
[24:49] complete lack of conviction in the thing
[24:51] that they're actually angry about. It's
[24:53] like, if you actually think
[24:55] >> that leaving a key to look after your
[24:56] kid is bad, put that in the report, BUT
[24:58] YOU KNOW IT'S NOT BAD. THAT'S WHY YOU
[25:01] HAVE TO LIE about it.
[25:02] >> Exactly.
[25:02] >> Absolutely insane. So, uh, that was that
[25:04] was a discourse this week. And I'm sorry
[25:06] it's not the type of show where we go
[25:07] after people or anything like that, but
[25:09] it just really ground my gears.
[25:11] >> I could tell
[25:12] >> that's all. And I Yeah. So anyway,
[25:14] whatever, man. Uh sorry. Please. Like I
[25:17] say,
[25:18] >> I've made my feelings on this clear.
[25:19] Please don't go and you know, you know,
[25:22] go and go and make your feelings known
[25:24] if you wish that to happen. You know,
[25:25] I'm sure he's blocked this entire thread
[25:27] now anyway. Who cares? But no
[25:28] harassment, no no like badness, no
[25:31] anything like that, okay? No. Like
[25:33] talking about their family or cuz I know
[25:35] his mom. She's really nice and like
[25:37] [laughter]
[25:37] very caring, very selfless. Okay. So,
[25:41] don't don't do it. All right. Like
[25:44] you're no friend of us if you do that. I
[25:46] cannot state that enough. Thank you.
[25:49] >> Yeah.
[25:49] >> Um Oh, there's lots of people in this
[25:50] chat who know his mom, actually. So,
[25:51] yeah. No, exactly. And the last thing we
[25:52] want is for her to be upset, so don't do
[25:54] it. [laughter]
[25:57] >> Uh anyway, what else? What else are we
[25:59] talking about, Fam? I'm just amazed you
[26:01] summed up the energy to go off like
[26:02] that. Yeah, it's just too high.
[26:06] >> And also, I was getting a lot of uh
[26:08] praise and compliments for how shiny and
[26:11] tanned I look. And I thought if I get
[26:12] myself worked up, I'll get even more
[26:13] shiny.
[26:14] >> Yeah, exactly.
[26:14] >> And hopefully I'll get even more
[26:16] compliments.
[26:17] [laughter]
[26:18] >> Well, cuz my hair now, just take a break
[26:20] from Wow for a second. I believe
[26:22] >> Wait, hold on. I couldn't talk about my
[26:24] hair, but you want to talk about your
[26:26] hair?
[26:26] >> You did talk about your hair for about a
[26:27] minute.
[26:27] >> I know. No, it wasn't that long.
[26:30] [laughter]
[26:30] >> Uh, look, my hair has entered the flow
[26:33] state now. Okay.
[26:34] >> Oh, the what state?
[26:35] >> Well, my my internet knows that my hair
[26:38] has got long for some reason. Yes.
[26:39] >> I don't know why cuz the cameras that
[26:41] filming all the time pick it up, I
[26:42] guess, on every kind of electronic
[26:44] device I use. So, now all I used to get
[26:47] just ads for like like erection
[26:50] dysfunction, erectile dysfunction stuff,
[26:52] right? Um,
[26:54] >> I get those too. It's like you're you're
[26:56] 43. You probably can't pleasure your
[26:58] wife. What do you think about that? Um,
[27:01] but now now I'm just getting adverts for
[27:03] like how to get the perfect flow
[27:05] haircut.
[27:06] >> The perfect flow haircut.
[27:07] >> Yeah, exactly. And and like how what
[27:09] products and what to tell your barber to
[27:11] get the perfect flow haircut and stuff
[27:12] like that. So the somehow the internet
[27:14] knows my hair is getting longer and uh
[27:16] but I I I think it's doing I think
[27:19] >> I like it. I think this is like the one
[27:21] kind of uh sort of long haircut that a
[27:24] 40-year-old man can get away with. The
[27:26] sweatback kind of like, you know, and I
[27:30] I I think it's all right. I think it's
[27:31] kind of nice.
[27:31] >> I think it's good. It's good. I like the
[27:33] little Yeah.
[27:34] >> Yeah. And I am I am Italian. I do have
[27:36] Mediterranean skin. Every year we go
[27:39] through the sherad where you are
[27:40] surprised that I get tanned extremely
[27:42] quickly just by going outside to pick up
[27:44] some milk or something. Um and and and
[27:46] it is true. It is true. I am getting
[27:48] that little kind of like tan mark at the
[27:49] top of my head.
[27:50] >> Oh, I love that. Yeah. Which makes it
[27:51] look like
[27:53] >> Yeah. Do you remember when certain
[27:54] streamers used to um react to our videos
[27:57] and uh if I if you weren't on screen and
[27:59] they were talking about your tits, I was
[28:01] on screen, they're like, "Why is he
[28:02] wearing makeup?"
[28:03] >> I remember those.
[28:04] >> Why is he wearing makeup? And I was
[28:05] like, "Well, thank you very much, but
[28:06] I'm not.
[28:08] >> I'm just I just look great." [laughter]
[28:15] >> Um Yeah. So, so there we go. Yeah. And I
[28:18] Yes, I'm I'm wearing my shirt unbuttoned
[28:20] down to my nips because that's what
[28:22] we're doing. Yeah. And yes, I'm wearing
[28:24] a linen work shirt because I'm that kind
[28:25] of guy. Anyway, what else has upset
[28:27] people in wow? I'll tell you. Vow
[28:31] >> a rhyming couplet. What do you think
[28:33] about that? E,
[28:34] >> that's a that was a good one.
[28:35] >> Thanks, mate.
[28:35] >> Pure Shakespeare.
[28:36] >> It was a good one. Unlike the zone vow,
[28:38] which is a croc of [ __ ] Hands up if
[28:42] [laughter] that's unfair. No. Okay. I
[28:45] I'm I'm I'm I'm in character as a member
[28:47] of the player base right now. Yes. Okay.
[28:50] So, uh you haven't played any Val, have
[28:51] you?
[28:52] >> I literally haven't because
[28:53] >> I can tell because you were smiling this
[28:54] morning.
[28:55] >> I was like, "Yeah, no, I literally
[28:57] haven't because the heat wave kicked in
[28:59] on Tuesday and I have just like
[29:00] literally found it unable to to turn on
[29:03] this."
[29:04] >> I've spent the last three days writing
[29:06] about a paragraph of a script.
[29:07] >> Yeah, exactly. Dying. And if Tally's up
[29:09] here and there is one PC going and I'm
[29:11] like I do not dare turn on another one
[29:14] because this it would be completely
[29:15] untenable. So tell me tell me about Val.
[29:18] Tell me what what hurts about Val.
[29:20] >> Do you remember do you remember Nagtal?
[29:22] What do you think of Tell me tell me
[29:23] about Nagtal and then I'll compare it to
[29:25] Val.
[29:26] >> Nagttow nal. I don't know. Whatever you
[29:29] want whatever you want to call that. I
[29:31] uh I I thought it was fun on the PTR and
[29:33] then I thought it was like just
[29:35] absolutely kind of pointless once you
[29:37] logged on to it on live.
[29:38] >> Oh no. What What was so pointless about
[29:40] it?
[29:40] >> It it like there were there are no mobs.
[29:43] I went straight on heroic. There was
[29:44] nothing going on. You know, there's
[29:46] always that issue with your it's full of
[29:48] people doing stuff and just wiping the
[29:49] map and that's fine. But it meant that
[29:51] there was nothing there. I did my
[29:53] quests. It was over and that was
[29:55] literally it.
[29:57] >> Yeah, that's pretty much val as well.
[29:58] >> Yeah. Oh, just just [laughter] by cold
[30:00] but icy. Are
[30:02] >> there are there jumping mushroom puzzles
[30:05] in
[30:05] >> B? Although they're adding more
[30:06] mushrooms next week.
[30:07] >> I saw that. [laughter]
[30:10] >> Listen. Okay, man. Man, man. I will I
[30:13] will stand the mushrooms in in Natal.
[30:16] Okay. As soon as as soon as I moved like
[30:18] the thing to my bars, I made a macro for
[30:20] it and I put so everyone was like
[30:23] laughing at me because apparently you
[30:24] can just move it down to your bars. It's
[30:25] like well I couldn't. So, I made a macro
[30:27] and I I spam the button whenever I'm
[30:29] like and I'm swinging. I'm like
[30:31] Spider-Man in Natal. I run out of
[30:33] mushrooms and that's why I'm glad that
[30:35] there aren't mushrooms everywhere.
[30:38] >> It's like I'm like Spider-Man swinging
[30:39] around New York, but then suddenly I'm
[30:41] in like slow and there's no tall
[30:43] buildings. I'm boom, you know, right?
[30:46] And like so actually the news that
[30:48] they're putting new mushroom more
[30:49] mushrooms in Natal is music to my
[30:52] mushroom swinging ears, right? I
[30:54] actually quite like that. It's actually
[30:55] quite an efficient way of getting around
[30:56] the zone. I don't mind it at all. Okay.
[30:58] >> Yeah.
[30:59] >> Um Val has it's got nothing like that.
[31:01] The map's a bit smaller. It's a bit more
[31:04] compressed. Uh on the face of it tiny,
[31:07] >> there's a lot of underground bits to it.
[31:09] But if you are not of the uh kind of
[31:12] mood to explore it
[31:15] >> um then you're not going to find those
[31:16] basically cuz you know there's still a
[31:17] lot of people that never found the um
[31:20] >> uh the Dranai stuff in NATO because you
[31:23] have to go off the beaten track a little
[31:24] bit. You have to willfully be exploring
[31:26] and not just going in there and and
[31:28] looking at stuff and what have you. Um
[31:30] and Val is like that in fairness. There
[31:32] are there are nooks and crannies. You
[31:33] know it it's not a completely effortless
[31:35] zone. some thought has clearly gone into
[31:37] it and there are things about it that I
[31:38] really really like. Um there's bits
[31:41] where you're walking through it where
[31:43] you basically can't see anything like
[31:45] the snowstorm is so thick. [laughter]
[31:47] >> No, but it's actually really really
[31:49] good.
[31:49] >> Okay.
[31:50] >> It's really cool. It's like and and
[31:52] stuff comes out of the snowtorm and it's
[31:54] like and there's only there's one part
[31:55] of the map where it's like that and I
[31:57] actually think that's really good. Like
[31:58] genuinely good. And when that happens,
[32:01] my transmog changes to my snowy outfit
[32:03] >> cuz I've got I've got a transmog which
[32:06] is set to change in cold weather and it
[32:08] is actually a weather effect there. So
[32:11] it it does change my transmog and that
[32:13] makes me happy. Okay,
[32:15] >> that's nice. Sweet. So what are you
[32:16] complaining about?
[32:16] >> Well, mostly the lack of stuff to do.
[32:19] Um, so uh there is some stuff I like
[32:21] about it. There's there's very little in
[32:22] the way of like uh story going on there
[32:25] compared compared to Natal because I
[32:26] liked the world building of Nate. I
[32:29] liked uh you know and I also I've looked
[32:31] ahead on the PTR and I know that I've
[32:33] seen the Drani stuff there and it's
[32:34] really interest in a lowkey way. It's
[32:37] very interesting
[32:39] >> you know like lowkey world building just
[32:42] learning a little bit about our enemies
[32:44] and and and about the legion as well and
[32:45] and like this this old Dranoi Dranai
[32:48] people that kind of uh like you know
[32:51] were there before and stuff like that. I
[32:52] that's all really interesting to me. I
[32:54] like I like stuff like that. So, I
[32:57] approached Natal purely as a
[32:59] storytelling thing, right? I went in, I
[33:01] did the quests, I quite enjoyed them. I
[33:03] was done on my main. I went through it a
[33:04] couple of times, a couple of I was
[33:05] leveling. Well, it wasn't really worth
[33:07] it, but it was a bit more interesting
[33:08] than just chaining dungeons again,
[33:10] right? Um, so, and Val is Val is kind of
[33:13] like that, but not quite as interesting.
[33:16] >> Okay.
[33:16] >> Um, there is like a big like stronghold.
[33:20] >> Uh, and if you go in there, it's where
[33:22] the boss is as well and a couple of
[33:24] other quests. If you go in there, you'll
[33:25] get like you'll get killed. Like they'll
[33:27] just [ __ ] wipe you.
[33:28] >> Oh, nice. Good to hear that there's a
[33:30] bit of a challenge.
[33:30] >> Yeah. And well, the idea is you're not
[33:32] supposed to even engage in that. You're
[33:33] supposed to like put on a uh disguise
[33:36] and and go in to get to the boss to do
[33:38] any quests that are in there and stuff
[33:40] like that. But um yeah, so uh I went
[33:43] down there and I think the world bosses
[33:45] there are really good. I think they're
[33:46] really interesting. They've got like I
[33:48] like the imperator Pertinax, who is the
[33:50] world boss of Val.
[33:52] >> He's the guy that we saw in Everong.
[33:54] Mhm.
[33:54] >> who you know those weird uh incursions
[33:58] where it's all just like voidy animals.
[34:00] >> Yes.
[34:01] >> And you don't even fight anyone at the
[34:02] end. He's just like, "Oh, curse you for
[34:04] unvoiding my animals." Animal,
[34:10] loads of animals come to help him.
[34:12] >> And I just think that's pretty cool. I
[34:14] think like very lowkey kind of
[34:16] storytelling there. It's like, "Oh,
[34:18] that's why he just he likes collecting
[34:20] the animals." I think that's really
[34:22] cool. And like I just I just like that.
[34:23] I noticed that. I thought it was cool. I
[34:25] love what bullet sponges they are
[34:26] because it does last a very long time
[34:28] these fights. They take quite a while.
[34:30] It's like Yeah. And it's always fun to
[34:32] see people trying to go in without their
[34:33] disguises and getting their like [ __ ]
[34:37] absolutely reamed. And um I so so that's
[34:40] cool. But beyond that, I'm not
[34:42] interested in any of the dailies or
[34:43] anything or you know I I went in there
[34:46] as a story experience. I enjoyed it a
[34:50] reasonable amount for for that. Um, and
[34:53] that. So, I don't I don't hate it as
[34:55] much as everyone else does, but if I was
[34:57] looking at it from a repeatable content
[34:59] point of view,
[35:01] >> uh, yes, I would be very disappointed.
[35:04] >> So, I can understand why people are
[35:05] disappointed, you know. Um, and there's
[35:08] no uh I mean, you know, I'm getting
[35:09] drops of like weapon appearances and
[35:12] stuff like that. And it's fine. It's
[35:14] cool. And there is there is some cool uh
[35:17] like um tunnels and caves and stuff to
[35:19] discover which I always enjoyed. Um and
[35:22] yeah, there's there's a really good one
[35:24] where you take a portal and you're
[35:26] teleported to like like way deep in the
[35:29] ground and there's this really long
[35:31] winding path to get up and you're
[35:34] fighting your way up and then you get to
[35:35] the very top and you're underneath an
[35:39] ice lake
[35:40] >> and you just hit the ice.
[35:42] >> That's fun.
[35:42] >> And you can't get past it. Yeah.
[35:44] >> And you're like, "Oh, wait. What?" And
[35:47] like the exit is the way you came in.
[35:51] >> Oh.
[35:52] >> And then and then for me, half an hour
[35:54] later, I had a quest where I had to go
[35:56] in and get to the top to leave something
[35:58] like, "Oh, what? Oh, man." Um, and so,
[36:02] yeah, like, you know, once you've done
[36:04] the full story, you'll never go back.
[36:06] Uh, and and honestly, I'm fine with
[36:09] that. Like I'm not going to sit here. As
[36:12] long as I enjoyed the full story, sure,
[36:14] I'm not going to sit here going, "Oh,
[36:15] wasted opportunity that we're not
[36:17] utilizing this more because you know
[36:18] what, these zones were in Legion as
[36:20] well. And I didn't feel like it was a
[36:22] wasted opportunity that we didn't use
[36:24] them more than after Legion. And you
[36:26] know, maybe they'll pop up again
[36:27] sometime in the future. Who knows?
[36:28] >> Yeah. Who who knows? I mean,
[36:30] >> not the same zones obviously, but the
[36:31] same same planets, but you know, not the
[36:33] same maps." Yeah.
[36:34] >> I mean, what are what are they for
[36:36] really? Like what is this? What do they
[36:38] function as to get just to get some just
[36:41] to get some trans
[36:42] >> logs? There's there's some there's some
[36:43] things to collect there.
[36:44] >> Just to get some bits.
[36:46] >> Maybe you can like level a bit through
[36:48] them for with an alt.
[36:49] >> Um
[36:50] >> I mean, you know, honestly, like it's
[36:52] not a very efficient way of leveling
[36:53] alts and like eventually you you
[36:55] literally just clear the map and there's
[36:56] nothing else to do.
[36:57] >> Uh but I have quite enjoyed running also
[36:59] through there,
[37:00] >> you know. Um there is the mythic piece
[37:03] that you're doing for the four-week
[37:04] quest line. So you can get a mythic
[37:06] piece. Uh, so if you're if you're a solo
[37:08] player and you don't have any other
[37:09] access to mythic pieces, if you're not
[37:10] doing any mythic plus or anything like
[37:12] that, uh, that's good. That's quite fun.
[37:14] Um, that's quite important. I would I
[37:16] would even go as far as to say. Uh, and
[37:18] you know, like there is decor to
[37:20] collect. There's like So if that's a
[37:23] reason for you playing the game, which
[37:24] it is for a lot of people. Oh, yeah.
[37:25] >> Then there's reasons to go in there to
[37:28] get.
[37:28] >> Yeah. But it's not forcing anyone in.
[37:30] And um you know like I think we used to
[37:34] agree that was a good thing but because
[37:35] that's like the standard now for WoW I
[37:38] feel like there is actually a bit of an
[37:39] itch with WoW players to force us into
[37:42] some of this content you know um and
[37:46] this is always the way right you know we
[37:48] get sick of something in WoW and we're
[37:49] like this is universally bad and if you
[37:51] do this it is bad and if you do the
[37:54] opposite it will be good and then they
[37:56] change it and they do the opposite for a
[37:57] while and then we get bored of that and
[37:58] we're like this is bad. Do the opposite.
[38:01] And then and so there isn't actually a
[38:02] really really good and bad way of doing
[38:04] it. It's just like
[38:05] >> making sure it's varied and different
[38:08] and giving people different
[38:10] >> absolutely. I mean it feels like with
[38:13] this uh patch cadence with the like
[38:16] announcement cycle we've gotten used to
[38:18] with the release cycle, it's like a 0.07
[38:22] patch, it literally feels like the thing
[38:24] you do while you're listening to the 0.1
[38:27] announcement and then Do you know what I
[38:30] mean?
[38:30] >> Well, I can't wait to find out what
[38:31] happens in the story next week.
[38:32] >> Oh, well, right. Yeah, cuz
[38:34] >> I am on tent to hook. What's going to
[38:36] happen?
[38:37] >> It's not like I played the rest of the
[38:38] story on PTR already with on the 12.1
[38:42] PTR. It's not like it's been completely
[38:44] revealed in the reveal for 12.1 in the
[38:46] story. Not the reason [ __ ] stupid to
[38:49] keep the story for 3 weeks. It's like,
[38:51] you know, you're going to announce 12.1.
[38:54] >> Release the [ __ ] story so at least
[38:56] some people might not get spoiled,
[38:58] right? I I found that very strange cuz
[39:00] we we also took care not to really
[39:02] discuss those things in the podcast.
[39:04] >> We tried so hard not to spoiler that
[39:06] [ __ ] [laughter] You have no [ __ ]
[39:07] idea.
[39:07] >> Listen. And it's like literally Wow.
[39:09] It's just like well
[39:12] the story. Here's where we're going.
[39:16] >> You have to wait to complete the bits
[39:17] that maybe will get you there. But you
[39:19] know what? This is where this is the
[39:20] destination. I mean I don't know. I
[39:23] don't know. It's a it's a funny one.
[39:25] >> Yeah. Um, are people is that one of the
[39:28] things that you find people have been
[39:29] upset about? Tally
[39:30] >> Val?
[39:31] >> Well, not that but the story.
[39:33] >> Oh, hang on. Well, we'll get to that
[39:35] because actually it's funny you should
[39:36] mention that, but yes, the answer is
[39:37] yes.
[39:38] >> Um, but also uh just sticking with
[39:40] 12.0.7 for a second. Uh, it was our
[39:42] second week of the om nom nom nom nom
[39:44] nom nom nomon folio. Have you logged in
[39:46] and done that yet, Evie?
[39:47] >> No, because it was too hot on Wednesday.
[39:50] >> So, I'm going to
[39:52] nom nom folio. I cannot handle an extra
[39:56] increment of hotness.
[39:58] >> Totally nomfolio will sort you out cuz
[40:00] it's so cool.
[40:01] >> No, it's hot.
[40:02] >> It's so cool.
[40:03] >> No, it's No, it's the ramb
[40:07] excitement for the patch. Put it that
[40:08] way. Uh the nom nomfolio is [ __ ] bad.
[40:13] >> Okay. Incremental power.
[40:15] >> I enjoyed the quests to set it up last
[40:17] week. I thought they were fun. I thought
[40:19] they were a nice bit of world building.
[40:20] I thought it was good. Yeah. Uh,
[40:22] >> the set of quest.
[40:23] >> Obviously this week I just get sent into
[40:24] a ritual site. Like I'm not going to
[40:28] lie, quite enjoyed that as well. Quite
[40:29] enjoyed being getting sent into a ritual
[40:31] site.
[40:31] >> Why not? Did you do it the highest
[40:32] level?
[40:34] >> I got it at the highest level. I put all
[40:36] the challenges on so I could get my
[40:37] achievement for doing that while I'm
[40:38] level six with all the achievements.
[40:40] I've done that achievement for both of
[40:41] them now. So I took it as a chance to do
[40:43] that, right? And you know, it took me 10
[40:45] minutes. Wham bam. Thank you, ma'am.
[40:51] uh sers or madams. Um, and uh, I went
[40:55] back and you know, look, okay, the first
[40:59] week I got the void thing or the flame
[41:03] thing. And everyone says take the flame
[41:06] thing cuz it does marginally more. And
[41:08] even though it hasn't got a visual
[41:09] effect that the void one has, the void
[41:11] effect is pretty cool. The the flame one
[41:13] doesn't have a visual effect, which me
[41:16] right off, man. So weird. And it's like,
[41:18] okay, fine. And you know, it does sub 1%
[41:22] of your damage and healing. It's like
[41:25] literally kind of honestly like I
[41:28] there's basically anything you could do.
[41:31] Having a glass of water on the desk with
[41:33] you to make sure you stay hydrated is
[41:36] going to improve your healing and damage
[41:37] more than the Omnium Folio. So I was
[41:40] like okay well
[41:42] you know, maybe maybe the second week
[41:44] will make it a little bit more
[41:45] impactful.
[41:48] No,
[41:48] >> doesn't [ __ ] It's still
[41:50] >> You're not going to feel it.
[41:51] >> The [ __ ] It's incremental.
[41:53] >> It's not incremental. It's just [ __ ]
[41:56] >> It doesn't do anything.
[41:58] >> No, it doesn't do anything.
[41:59] >> It doesn't do anything at the end of 5
[42:02] weeks.
[42:03] >> No, I don't think it will.
[42:04] >> The increment will be slightly bigger.
[42:06] >> Yeah.
[42:06] >> Look, currently, I don't think it's ever
[42:10] going to get to 1% different healing
[42:12] damage. I I don't think it is.
[42:14] >> I don't think What's 0.4%* 4% times two.
[42:18] >> Yeah.
[42:18] >> Not 1% is it?
[42:19] >> No.
[42:20] >> Like
[42:20] >> no.
[42:22] >> Do you know what I mean? It I don't I
[42:24] don't THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. And
[42:26] it's like, okay, I get that you wanted
[42:28] to make it in offensive and I approve of
[42:30] that. I think that's great. But I This
[42:33] sucks.
[42:35] I don't get it.
[42:37] >> It just feels silly.
[42:39] >> I feel a bit silly for doing it. It's
[42:42] like it's like when your grand gives you
[42:44] like 10 p to get yourself an ice cream.
[42:47] You're like, "Oh, thanks grand. That'll
[42:49] really help if I put it in a trust fund.
[42:51] Maybe I'll have enough for half an ice
[42:52] cream in 30 years. Thanks, Grand.
[42:55] [laughter] Jesus Christ." That that's
[42:57] what it is. The Omnonfolio is is like is
[43:00] your grand giving you 10 p and tell
[43:02] telling you to get some something nice,
[43:05] >> you know? It's like I mean, thanks, I
[43:07] guess, and I don't want to offend you,
[43:08] but that is literally [ __ ] useless.
[43:10] Maybe it's going to be like exponential
[43:12] power increase.
[43:13] >> What do you mean?
[43:13] >> Like literally maybe by by you know week
[43:16] five the line will go like this rather
[43:18] than
[43:18] >> Well, I don't see how cuz I've looked
[43:20] through the other options.
[43:22] >> And I think I just don't think that's
[43:23] going to happen.
[43:24] >> I know. People are saying the stat proc
[43:26] on week four is actually very big.
[43:27] Nearly equivalent to a flask.
[43:30] >> I don't believe I just don't believe I
[43:32] just don't believe. Yeah, it's not
[43:33] incremental. It's exponential power.
[43:35] >> Yeah. I just I feel it. I will believe
[43:38] it when I see it cuz at the moment it's
[43:40] 4% of my healing and damage.
[43:43] >> Okay. So, I mean, we'll see.
[43:46] >> Yeah.
[43:46] >> Right.
[43:47] >> And and the options this week were like,
[43:51] >> yeah,
[43:54] >> and and I misread the quest and I
[43:57] started doing void incursions before I
[43:59] went to the ritual site. I did one whole
[44:02] void. It took like 15 seconds of my
[44:06] life. I'm so sorry.
[44:07] >> And I was in Everong and had to fly.
[44:09] Then I had to fly to Zulan to do the
[44:11] thing.
[44:12] >> Oh my god. I'm so angry with that.
[44:15] >> I'm so sorry.
[44:15] >> However,
[44:16] >> however,
[44:16] >> just so I'm not like a complete moaning
[44:18] mini just so I'm just like not uh on one
[44:21] today, I feel it only fair to point out
[44:23] something that I really really enjoyed.
[44:27] >> Okay.
[44:28] >> Uh this week, which was the Midfire
[44:30] Festival, Midsummer Fire Festival. I am
[44:34] not a festival guy
[44:35] >> in Minecraft. I'm not a holiday guy.
[44:38] Particularly not Hallow's End. I hate
[44:40] that [ __ ]
[44:41] >> Look, I'm not American, okay?
[44:44] >> Oh, I mean, you know, I'm married to an
[44:46] American. Both my kids are American, you
[44:48] know, uh although not culturally very
[44:50] American, but we hammer into them that
[44:52] they're American. They love it. They
[44:54] love being Oh my god, they do. They tell
[44:56] anyone and everyone. Yeah, exactly. Um,
[44:59] and you know, but I so I just don't get
[45:02] as excited about Halloween as
[45:08] Americans do. Americans love Halloween.
[45:10] >> They do. They love
[45:13] [snorts]
[45:14] >> I'm joking. But we're trying to book a
[45:16] holiday in like uh New England in in uh
[45:19] the autumn to go to a wedding and all
[45:21] the hotels are full up cuz people go to
[45:23] like Salem Salem for [ __ ] Halloween
[45:26] in America. Can you imagine going on a
[45:28] trip for Halloween in the UK? I can't
[45:31] imagine it. It couldn't be me. What?
[45:34] >> It's also hard cuz it's autumn. It's
[45:35] back to school season. It's everyone
[45:37] going to all the posh colleges in New
[45:39] England.
[45:40] >> Yeah. No, I get it. I get it.
[45:41] >> And their parents.
[45:42] >> So, I'm not I'm not a big festival guy.
[45:43] It's never something I've really done in
[45:45] in WoW before. Uh but everyone was
[45:48] telling me that this Midfire Midsummer
[45:50] Fire Festival was pretty good. So, I was
[45:52] like, "Okay, well, let's give it a go."
[45:53] And I can confirm it's brilliant.
[45:55] >> Is it good? It's I've heard really good
[45:58] feedback about it.
[45:59] >> I found it delightful. It's very very
[46:01] simple the new stuff cuz I don't give a
[46:02] [ __ ] about the other stuff. I went in
[46:04] and they were like, "Yo, one thing we do
[46:07] in mid midsummer is we we light uh light
[46:11] blossoms, right? And they're in the air.
[46:12] Can you just go and set some on fire?"
[46:14] And you like fly around. You set them on
[46:15] fire over Silver Moon, which is where I
[46:17] picked up the quest. And they're like,
[46:18] "Oh, nice one. Go and talk to someone in
[46:20] in Oramar." because I did it on my uh
[46:24] tour and shaman which I thought would be
[46:25] very fitting right
[46:27] >> and go to Aramar pick up a quest go and
[46:30] so I did that and it's great like they
[46:33] send you on two tours of Kalumor one
[46:36] around northern Calendar one around uh
[46:38] southern Candle and there's like a a
[46:40] wind tunnel kind of thing that you can
[46:42] join that takes you around and you you
[46:45] go through like all the zones of
[46:48] Northern and Southern Calendar and as
[46:50] you do it.
[46:52] A talking head is there telling you a
[46:54] story.
[46:55] >> You were enjoying it so much. I
[46:56] literally came up here and was like,
[46:58] "Uh, Tally, I got Let's talk about" And
[47:00] you were like, "Woman, silence." I
[47:02] didn't say that.
[47:03] >> I'm doing No, you didn't. You would
[47:04] never say
[47:05] >> You can't say that [ __ ] on the internet
[47:06] because before you know it, Ben Ramblade
[47:08] were making posts about
[47:09] >> someone. Yeah, exactly. No, no.
[47:11] Obviously, that is that was an
[47:12] exaggeration, but Ty was like, he was
[47:15] locked in. He's like, "Yeah, yeah, babe.
[47:16] Sorry. I'm I'm literally listening to
[47:18] you for quite a while." I I had to do
[47:20] that thing where I was like, I'm really
[47:22] sorry. I'm actually trying to [laughter]
[47:23] listen to this because like I wasn't
[47:25] look he's just flying around through
[47:27] some flat. Surely I can surely
[47:29] [laughter]
[47:30] >> I wasn't just playing it. I was also
[47:31] recording it for footage and you can't
[47:33] just stop and stuff like that and I
[47:34] didn't want to miss anything. And also
[47:37] by that stage I was on the fourth tour
[47:39] cuz I'd gone to Eastern Kingdoms as well
[47:41] and I was on the last tour and I was
[47:42] finding the Scottish dwarf lady quite
[47:44] difficult to understand.
[47:47] And also I was getting very hot and also
[47:50] like I at that stage I was finding it
[47:52] quite hard because what they do is you
[47:53] in the wind tunnel and it takes you to a
[47:54] new bit and the first story this the
[47:57] northern calendar one is the best one.
[47:59] It's telling the story of uh a
[48:01] pilgrimage that that a bunch of torren
[48:03] took back in the day to try and and
[48:06] where where the whole kind of like the
[48:07] burning of the the blossoms thing came
[48:09] from and they they have to go through
[48:11] night elf lands. So, uh, they they, you
[48:14] know, get escorted through by the night
[48:16] elves and it's really great and there's
[48:18] a really great sense of you follow it to
[48:21] a new area and then there's pebbles to
[48:23] kind of burn in the new area just flying
[48:25] through them and then you follow the
[48:26] wind tunnel to another area and the
[48:28] story continues and the guy
[48:30] >> that's just a nice way to absorb a bit
[48:32] of I like that
[48:34] >> well you know my favorite thing in MMOs
[48:36] which I think is the hardest thing to do
[48:38] and I still look at that brilliant bit
[48:39] in uh Heavenswood uh that does it I
[48:42] think the best, but there have been bits
[48:44] in WoW that have done it really well,
[48:45] like in um the Anar and Planes leveling
[48:48] in Dragon Flight where
[48:50] >> you get a journey that you're going on
[48:52] with people and it's almost an
[48:54] impossible thing to do in MMOs. So, I
[48:56] really notice when it's done well cuz I
[48:58] I I I feel like going on a journey with
[49:00] a little group of people and like we're
[49:03] traveling through this land and now
[49:04] we're settling down here for a second,
[49:05] now we're traveling through this land
[49:07] and like it's it's almost impossible in
[49:09] a a modern MMO despite it being a staple
[49:11] of fantasy, right? And so, I just I love
[49:13] it when they do manage to pull that off
[49:15] and and the the the opening kind of
[49:18] quests in in the new Mid Midsummer Fire
[49:21] Festival really did that. You know, it
[49:23] took like 10 minutes to do the first
[49:26] one. But there was a story of like I was
[49:27] following in the steps of this this
[49:29] pilgrimage, this kind of like, you know,
[49:31] this journey that these tour went on and
[49:33] like albe it at a greatly advanced pace.
[49:36] I was going on it as well and it felt
[49:38] really really good. It felt awesome. And
[49:40] then they send you on in Southern
[49:41] Calendar. It's a bit more desperate. And
[49:42] then the Eastern Kingdoms ones aren't so
[49:44] good because you're basically just like,
[49:47] >> you know, you go on a tour and they're
[49:49] telling you about the different places
[49:50] and it's fine and and what have you. But
[49:52] um it's it's great and it's really
[49:54] lovely and there's this like excellent
[49:56] Midsummer Fire Festival music playing
[49:59] the whole time uh no matter what zone
[50:01] you're in. So there's this real kind of
[50:03] consistency to it and you know you got
[50:05] like this guy telling a story the whole
[50:07] time. Uh yeah, Fiona uh in in Cataclysm
[50:10] Quest is a really good example of it
[50:11] too. Yeah, really really well. And I I
[50:13] love it whenever they do that. Um so uh
[50:15] yeah, I was really really happy. And you
[50:17] get a fair lot of like tokens for it as
[50:19] well, which made me think like, oh,
[50:21] maybe I should do some of these dailies
[50:22] and get some more tokens and buy cool
[50:24] stuff and stuff. So, like absolute
[50:26] triumph, you know, when when uh the road
[50:30] map said that they were doing holiday
[50:31] revamps, I think most of us kind of had
[50:35] very low expectations.
[50:37] You know, thought that maybe they just
[50:39] add some new things to the vendors and
[50:40] stuff like that. Uh, but in fairness
[50:42] with Lovers in the Air and Midsummer
[50:44] Fire now, they absolutely knocked them
[50:46] out of the park. Like really, really
[50:48] good stuff. I can't wait to [laughter]
[50:49] do that. Highly recommend it. And, you
[50:50] know, I think the whole thing took me
[50:52] maybe half an hour, you know. Um, and I
[50:55] did get lost from a couple of times in
[50:57] the wind tunnels in Eastern Kingdoms.
[50:58] So, um, I I thought it was really really
[51:00] good. A general consensus is that it's
[51:02] really really good. Um, so yeah, these
[51:04] are new Midsummer Fire Festival quests
[51:07] and they're really really great. So
[51:09] despite me [ __ ] on Val, I'm only
[51:10] half [ __ ] on Val to be honest as
[51:12] well because I think if you if you play
[51:13] it like I play it, it is a lot more
[51:16] enjoyable. You just go and do quests and
[51:18] treat it as a story experience, like a
[51:19] one-off story scenario or something.
[51:21] It's kind of good. Uh but I I agree that
[51:23] as repeatable content, it's not not
[51:25] terrific.
[51:26] >> Um so yeah, and and Midsummer Fire
[51:29] really good. Not much else happening in
[51:32] in 12.0.7 at the moment, though. Not
[51:34] much else happening in the live game.
[51:36] No, not particularly
[51:38] >> except Sporefall came out as well. We
[51:40] did get a chance to go to Sporefall and
[51:42] we did uh defeat Sporefall in heroic
[51:44] after two pulls and mythic after quite a
[51:46] few more pools than that. Uh it took us
[51:47] until Sunday to defeat Sporeful Mythic
[51:49] and dude, I got like three drops.
[51:52] >> Yeah,
[51:53] >> I got like use those bonus rolls.
[51:54] >> I got a loot drop. I got the ring just
[51:57] from loot.
[51:57] >> Yeah.
[51:58] >> Uh and then I got like I think I got
[52:01] like uh someone gave me the neck uh
[52:04] which was really nice of them. That's so
[52:05] nice.
[52:06] >> I think Rico did.
[52:07] >> Um, and then uh in my vault I got the
[52:10] shoes.
[52:11] >> Sweet.
[52:11] >> And I Oh, and also I I think I bonus
[52:13] rolled the trinket.
[52:15] >> Wow.
[52:15] >> So I actually got, you know, overall for
[52:17] killing mythic sporefall this week, I
[52:19] got I got four pieces of awesome gear or
[52:23] 298 gear. So my item is 292 right now.
[52:26] >> That's pretty good, isn't it?
[52:27] >> I'm still like in the 270s.
[52:29] >> Yeah, I know. It's like it's pretty
[52:30] good. And like I mean the shoes and the
[52:32] chest is really I'm after the chest now.
[52:34] That's what I really want.
[52:35] >> Um, and then I can then I can uh
[52:37] catalyst that as well.
[52:39] >> And um and then I'll be then I'll be
[52:41] running I can break myself some 17s
[52:43] >> when my baby starts crying. [laughter]
[52:47] >> Are you not impressed by my hall of
[52:48] sporefall gear?
[52:50] >> I
[52:50] >> I'm allowed to break things.
[52:52] >> Exactly. I'm doing you a favor by even
[52:54] being in this group, fam. [laughter]
[52:56] >> Um and I've been and I've been running
[52:58] uh like mythic plus on my on my paladin
[53:00] tank as well. I'm really enjoying that.
[53:03] Uh, and I I am only able to do that
[53:06] because of the midnight feature of
[53:08] highlighting the mobs as a as a route
[53:10] through.
[53:11] >> I love that. I love that.
[53:12] >> I literally wouldn't even be attempting
[53:13] it if it wasn't for that. But I I kind
[53:15] of basically know the dungeons anyway. I
[53:18] have a basic knowledge of some of the
[53:19] pools and stuff just from healing them
[53:21] up to a higher level. So, I go into the
[53:23] tank, I have no idea what I'm doing. I
[53:24] don't tell anyone that obviously. And I
[53:26] just I just pull [ __ ] and I take it
[53:27] pretty slow. And people get a bit
[53:29] annoyed with me because I'm taking it
[53:30] slow sometimes, but I'm like,
[53:32] >> like,
[53:33] >> yeah,
[53:33] >> [ __ ] deal, mate.
[53:34] >> Yeah,
[53:35] >> that's not very relaxed of you, is it?
[53:36] >> That's not very Yeah. [laughter]
[53:39] >> Um, so
[53:41] like I'm having a good time in WoW at
[53:43] the moment. I've uh, you know, used up
[53:46] all my extra 100 decor limit.
[53:49] >> Nice.
[53:50] >> Uh, on the outside. Have you had a
[53:51] chance to go through that yet?
[53:52] >> I've gone I've gone through it. I'm
[53:54] really really excited for 12.1 because
[53:57] we're receiving the dable staircases and
[54:00] just dable squares.
[54:02] >> Have you seen the dable staircase? Have
[54:04] you seen the staircases on the PTR?
[54:06] >> Oh, no.
[54:06] >> They're tiny.
[54:08] >> THEY'RE LIKE INSECT SIZE. NO, NO, NO.
[54:10] But that's a that's a bug. They'll
[54:11] They'll get bigger. People were having a
[54:14] little bit of a panic attack when they
[54:15] started placing them and even blown up
[54:17] to like 200%. They're basically like
[54:19] little kid stairs that you might get in
[54:21] in a Wendy house.
[54:22] >> [laughter]
[54:22] >> It was really hilarious.
[54:23] >> Have you seen the troll mural that you
[54:25] can get in the Mr. GM post?
[54:27] >> I did see Mr. GM post about it. I I've
[54:29] literally just been looking around the
[54:30] PTR. There's actually three murals you
[54:33] can get. Um, and they are really really
[54:36] good. One actually drops from Oollettech
[54:38] and holy [ __ ] that is the kind of [ __ ]
[54:41] I want to see dropping from Final
[54:42] Bosses. It's like this stone. Ooch
[54:46] absolutely porning Mithrax like or Kith
[54:49] I should say. absolutely porning Kith
[54:51] just like Kith is like oh no Mithrax is
[54:53] so amazing and Mithrax is like yeah [ __ ]
[54:55] sorry is like yeah I [ __ ] am like no
[54:59] please don't HURT ME AND LIKE WELL I I
[55:02] won't hurt you but I can't speak for my
[55:03] other fourheads
[55:05] it's so good like they are so awesome
[55:07] yeah that is the good [ __ ]
[55:09] >> that is really good and I love it's so
[55:10] funny how big they are in the PTR we'll
[55:12] say we'll see if that lasts
[55:13] >> are they really big oh
[55:15] >> oh I didn't try placing them that's
[55:17] >> No they're yeah Mr. GM did a little
[55:19] tweet about it at like a at just normal
[55:20] 100% size. It is like literally bigger
[55:22] than your house. I would say, okay, I do
[55:25] have a bit of player housing feedback. I
[55:27] think the scale is out of control. And
[55:30] when I say that, I mean like the
[55:31] baseline of things. I feel like player
[55:33] houses are simply too big.
[55:36] >> Well, we're getting large player uh in
[55:37] PTR. We're getting large. So, suck it.
[55:39] Basically,
[55:40] >> I think scalewise, like literally in
[55:42] relation to your character, like you
[55:45] know, if you have if you have a normal
[55:47] size house or whatever, like you know, a
[55:49] floor or level, you know, like first
[55:53] floor, second floor, whatever you want
[55:55] to call it, like it they feel insanely
[55:59] high. Like I love a good high ceiling.
[56:01] And interiors, I think, are fine. I
[56:02] think the exterior I and I struggle with
[56:05] this every time I go and I start
[56:06] decorating things and I make things a
[56:08] little bigger cuz I want them to be more
[56:09] visible from further away and stuff, but
[56:11] I feel like the the general scale in
[56:13] relation to your player character is
[56:16] like is a bit off.
[56:17] >> I get you too.
[56:20] >> I actually agree. And it's I was
[56:22] thinking about this the other day
[56:22] actually because it's kind of
[56:23] impossible, isn't it? You've got
[56:25] >> you've got sizes of player
[56:30] playable races going from Gnome and
[56:34] >> all the way up to Torin and Dranai.
[56:35] >> Yeah, maybe that's maybe that's it.
[56:37] Maybe that's kind of take all of that
[56:38] into account.
[56:40] >> Generally in WoW stuff reads better if
[56:44] it's a bit oversized anyway, right? So
[56:46] it's like my kitchen reads perfectly,
[56:48] but actually if you stand my character
[56:50] next to the surface, it's like up to her
[56:51] nose right?
[56:52] >> Yeah. It's not quite.
[56:53] >> It still looks correct. It still looks
[56:55] more correct than if it was actually the
[56:56] proper size. Right.
[56:57] >> Exactly. There's something about that
[56:59] and and I've noticed that a lot and
[57:01] particularly with like building and like
[57:02] doing exteriors and stuff and I'm kind
[57:04] of flying around and sometimes I turn my
[57:05] character off and then you know the
[57:07] scale when you actually place your
[57:09] character there is is I don't you know I
[57:12] don't think
[57:12] >> it's kind of impossible and you have to
[57:14] kind of like
[57:15] >> going you have to either build it for
[57:17] one specific size character or you have
[57:19] to leave it kind of open and I mean the
[57:23] talking about high ceilings and stuff
[57:24] the problem player housing has always
[57:26] been to bring the ceilings in. Yeah.
[57:27] Yeah.
[57:30] Yeah. Absolutely. That's always been the
[57:31] key. Um those those I always say like
[57:35] >> the rooms that you add should not
[57:37] actually be rooms. You should they are
[57:39] spaces to put rooms in.
[57:41] >> You put dividers in of course. Yeah.
[57:42] Yeah. That's that is the secret.
[57:44] >> But but I do agree with that.
[57:45] [clears throat] And um I' I've enjoyed
[57:47] placing uh like windows and stuff on my
[57:50] treehouse on the outside like into the
[57:52] tree trunk of the treehouse and stuff
[57:53] like that. That's been like super fun
[57:55] for me. I haven't yet decor
[58:05] but I'm like yeah but all the circular
[58:07] rugs are already in place.
[58:08] I know. I know. I'm like,
[58:11] >> "Yeah,
[58:12] so much time placing the rugs is like my
[58:14] least favorite thing in the world. I've
[58:16] done a lot." Right. So, I know, man. Uh
[58:19] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[58:20] >> Um Yeah.
[58:21] >> But yeah, not a real, you know, issue,
[58:23] but it's
[58:24] >> since you brought us onto the PTR,
[58:26] >> let's talk about some of the things that
[58:27] have upset people. That is our vague
[58:29] theme this week. Let's talk about some
[58:30] of the things that have upset people on
[58:31] the PTR.
[58:33] >> And I think it's only right that we put
[58:35] a spoiler warning up here.
[58:36] >> Yes. Uh, so if you are listening on your
[58:39] headphones, uh, maybe when Evie is
[58:41] putting, um, this up on your preferred
[58:44] podcast listening platform, maybe Evie
[58:46] could really kindly put a time stamp. I
[58:48] will
[58:49] >> uh, for when these spoilers end.
[58:51] >> I will. Um,
[58:51] >> I'll put them on YouTube and I'll put
[58:53] them on the audio version in the
[58:54] description. Yeah, that' be that would
[58:55] be really really good. Um, I will do
[58:57] that for you. If you are watching along,
[58:59] then uh, the spoiler bot is up. It's a
[59:01] Bluebot spoiler right now,
[59:03] >> but I mean technically this is Blue Bot.
[59:05] It's on the PTR. All right, it's stuff
[59:06] that people are seeing. So, it's not
[59:07] data mind or anything like that. I'm not
[59:09] talking about data mining today.
[59:11] >> Uh, but you know, you can come back when
[59:13] you see this disappear. You can unmute
[59:15] us when you see this disappear. I will
[59:17] not be showing any pictures on the
[59:18] screen. So, you're safe to kind of like
[59:21] have this on screen and see when it
[59:22] disappears. Okay.
[59:23] >> Mhm.
[59:24] >> Right. So, remember we were talking last
[59:26] week about Zuljan and how we were hoping
[59:28] he would survive and it didn't look like
[59:29] he did survive and uh but you know,
[59:31] we're still sniffing some some copium on
[59:33] that.
[59:33] >> Yeah. There was actually some more
[59:35] copium in the week.
[59:36] >> I did see. I did see. This is actually
[59:38] really exciting. Well, wait. Maybe tell
[59:40] you maybe you want to set the tone for
[59:42] where we are.
[59:43] >> Okay. So, I got through many phases with
[59:46] with Zuljan. Okay. Uh when I played the
[59:49] story line, the leveling story line for
[59:51] um Zulan on the PTR, it it was very
[59:54] clear to me. I thought that he was
[59:56] getting villain batted and that he was
[59:58] going to be set up to be a villain in uh
[60:01] well 12.1.
[60:02] >> Mhm. A lot of people disagreed with me
[60:04] and they're like, "No, no, no, no. He's
[60:06] far more nuanced than that." And and and
[60:08] to be fair, I I kind of came over. And I
[60:11] never, actually, I'm going to disagree.
[60:12] I never thought he was more nuanced than
[60:14] that, but I I I started joining in the
[60:18] general hope that Zuljan would
[60:23] come out the other side of his villain
[60:24] batting,
[60:26] >> you know, having learned something and
[60:28] progressed as a character and being
[60:29] accepted back into the fold rather than
[60:30] us just killing him. Then some very
[60:33] exciting stuff came through uh of models
[60:36] of Zuljan clearly having been turned
[60:39] into a snake
[60:41] >> at some point. And I was like, well,
[60:42] that's actually [ __ ] awesome. That's
[60:44] actually potentially a master stroke.
[60:46] And I I really loved the idea that
[60:50] Zuljan, whose main fault, his main flaw,
[60:53] his main characteristic basically is
[60:56] that he's a he's a an Armani
[60:59] nationalist. Okay, he's a bit racist.
[61:02] He's an Armani supremacist. He believes
[61:05] that the Armani should be ruling the
[61:06] whole world and he's willing to do
[61:09] whatever, you know,
[61:12] is necessary to make that happen. He
[61:14] talks about, you know, not just in
[61:16] theory, the Armani rule in the world. He
[61:18] talks about wanting to make that happen
[61:19] and stuff like that. And and, you know,
[61:21] he clearly loves his sister. He's very
[61:22] caring towards his uncle and there's
[61:24] like very good things about him as well.
[61:26] Uh, but you know, being being a a
[61:29] supremacist is a bad thing.
[61:31] >> I think that's a bit strong for him. I
[61:33] think he just wants his people to
[61:34] thrive.
[61:36] >> I don't get the impression that he's
[61:37] like out for world domination.
[61:39] >> Well, he says it and and like um so and
[61:41] that's the thing, right? And I think
[61:42] that's quite interesting because that
[61:44] that's a way that and I don't think he's
[61:45] really doing it intentionally, but that
[61:47] is a way that some
[61:48] >> white supremacists, whatever,
[61:50] >> they they make reasonable arguments
[61:53] like, well, I just don't want us to be
[61:55] relying on the lower.
[61:57] >> Okay. So, I would like to find a way for
[62:00] us to be very strong and great again on
[62:04] our own. Right? And so, like I don't I
[62:07] agree with you. I don't think Zujan is
[62:08] doing that intentionally, but he does
[62:11] also talk explicitly about taking over
[62:13] the whole of the, you know, northern
[62:15] eastern kingdom. Does he?
[62:16] >> Yes. Yeah.
[62:17] >> I must have miss I must have missed
[62:19] those things,
[62:19] >> you know. But but like I think
[62:21] interesting character and I like him and
[62:24] the idea of him turning into a snake
[62:25] would actually be a really good way of
[62:26] dealing with that because what happens
[62:28] to uh an Armani nationalist, an Armani
[62:33] supremacist, like a character who
[62:35] defines himself almost entirely on his
[62:38] race.
[62:40] >> What happens to that person when they're
[62:42] not an Armani anymore? What happens to
[62:43] that person when through their own
[62:45] actions they are turned into something
[62:47] else? and like you know he has that to
[62:50] grapple with. He's like well if this
[62:52] happened to someone else I wouldn't
[62:53] accept them as being an Armani anymore
[62:55] but I I do consider myself an Armani
[62:58] >> and I believe I am an Armani
[63:01] >> but I wouldn't say that I am. So
[63:04] >> that's going to have to make me look at
[63:06] my own beliefs and my own kind of like
[63:09] uh kind of belief structure and it could
[63:11] be a really awesome learning thing for
[63:13] him you know because he's not an Armani
[63:15] anymore but he is. So what does that
[63:17] make him?
[63:18] >> You know, where does he belong now?
[63:19] >> Yeah, exactly. And that's actually
[63:22] that's actually a really awesome
[63:23] potential storytelling device quite
[63:26] apart from the fact that now you have a
[63:29] major Armani law character who's also
[63:31] just a snake and that would just be
[63:32] [ __ ] cool and objectively hilarious.
[63:35] So I was like a million% into this idea
[63:37] which I basically just made up and this
[63:38] is why you got to be careful with
[63:39] speculation, right? Is because you nine
[63:43] times out of 10 you're going to be upset
[63:44] because your speculation doesn't come
[63:45] true. And then you're like left with,
[63:47] well, is the story really bad and I
[63:50] actually upset because the story is bad
[63:52] or am I upset because my speculation
[63:54] that I was so attached to didn't happen,
[63:55] right?
[63:56] >> Um, and you can make a case that's
[63:58] what's happening here because no, that
[63:59] is not what's happening.
[64:00] >> It seems through every kind of B kind of
[64:03] everything we've got on the PTR at this
[64:06] stage suggests that he is in fact dead.
[64:08] >> I Okay, so again, I I I don't I don't
[64:11] know if I completely get that impression
[64:13] either. you get you get this dialogue
[64:14] with uh uh Zuljara and Leaddin and
[64:20] they're like, "Oh, you know, I wish we
[64:21] could have helped him." You know, it's
[64:23] like they're like he I wish we could
[64:25] have done this for him. There's no
[64:27] explicit like he is dead or gone. Like
[64:31] he could definitely think about he's
[64:34] dead. You're right. I mean, I guess
[64:36] Blizz is PTR. There's still time. I know
[64:39] this [ __ ] is basically impossible to
[64:40] change, especially on this shorter a
[64:42] time frame, but did you think my idea
[64:44] was good? Make it happen. It's what if
[64:46] you changed it from what you've got
[64:48] right now to what I've explained,
[64:50] everyone would like it more. I'm just
[64:51] saying like it's what people want. And I
[64:53] think I think people are just upset
[64:54] because um
[64:56] >> I I Yeah, I also think
[64:58] >> interesting. He's a fun character. He's
[64:59] a really good I I love Zulujan and I
[65:01] think he's a really good character and I
[65:03] would be upset to see him go for a
[65:04] number of reasons, but I also don't
[65:06] again maybe I this is just my my
[65:09] reading. I don't I don't take him as
[65:11] like a I think he has very intense
[65:14] ideals and he really believes in like
[65:17] the preservation of the Ammani and I
[65:19] don't but I you know and he thin line to
[65:22] walk though.
[65:22] >> Yeah. No, I know but I just don't think
[65:24] he has to be read that way. Like I you
[65:25] know I think especially particularly
[65:27] being a troll like I think Blizz like
[65:30] the writing in the game is really
[65:32] explicit about how the Ammani have
[65:34] struggled to maintain themselves and
[65:36] their identity. Like I don't I don't see
[65:39] him as a like nationalism is bad
[65:42] character. I see him as a I'm I'm
[65:44] struggling to preserve like what we have
[65:46] left. That's how that's how I you know
[65:49] that's how Zuljan comes across to me.
[65:51] And um sure like the Ammani people like
[65:54] have conquered others and stuff but like
[65:56] the Ammani are being like very I think
[65:58] explicitly positioned as like you know
[66:01] they're living among the ruins of of
[66:03] their former empire right uh but you
[66:06] know they they want to find the good way
[66:09] forward for like all of their people and
[66:10] it's yeah Zuljara is the like we need to
[66:14] do this right we need to maybe have the
[66:16] help of the lowera it's debatable and
[66:19] Zjan is just like um you know uh some
[66:22] people might die along the way
[66:24] [laughter]
[66:25] uh you know and and so I uh I you know I
[66:29] don't know I I I don't read him as quite
[66:31] quite as strongly in that sense and I
[66:33] and I can see I I understand why people
[66:36] um are getting really upset about him
[66:38] being lost because yeah he's like a a
[66:41] complex
[66:42] like troll character
[66:44] >> I I agree with unfortunately like
[66:47] >> you he does I I wish he didn't have to
[66:50] be killed off. I really wish Yeah, me
[66:51] too.
[66:51] >> I I don't I don't think the the answers
[66:53] for him to die. And I think I completely
[66:55] understand why people get upset because
[66:57] they're like, I here we have a really
[66:59] good horde character. He's complicated.
[67:01] He's not like a 100% good guy.
[67:04] >> Well, he's not a horde character cuz
[67:05] he's a man, but
[67:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, sorry. A troll
[67:08] character. And uh you know,
[67:11] does he have to die? Right. Like it's uh
[67:14] you know so I I totally get people being
[67:16] upset and it feels it feels a bit oh
[67:18] this is my favorite my favorite
[67:20] Britishism feels a bit cathanded to me
[67:23] like it's the handling of him feels
[67:25] candly
[67:27] agree uh mostly because it's I I feel
[67:29] like it's pretty much the least
[67:30] interesting thing you could have done
[67:31] with him
[67:32] >> and like
[67:33] >> exactly exactly like
[67:35] >> and I completely agree I completely I
[67:36] agree with literally every sentiment
[67:38] you're raising I agree with everything
[67:39] you're saying. I want make that very
[67:40] clear. The only thing I disagree with is
[67:42] that I I think the story in the story he
[67:46] has been a bit more explicitly Armani
[67:49] supremacist as well. And I I I I think I
[67:52] think it has
[67:53] >> I think the basis of his his like
[67:55] motivations and feelings come from
[67:58] everything you're saying. I completely
[67:59] agree with that. But I think I think the
[68:01] story has more explicitly shown him
[68:04] progressing too far along that path into
[68:06] the other stuff as well, you know. Um,
[68:08] and I I think that's you've played like
[68:10] >> I think Well, no, forget PT. I think
[68:11] that's been there since Questing.
[68:12] >> Oh, yeah. And and and I I I think that
[68:15] has been something that the story, but
[68:16] that's a very small difference opinion.
[68:18] That's a meaningless difference of
[68:21] opinion really everything you're saying.
[68:23] >> I was one over because he's so hostile
[68:25] to you when you talk to him in the
[68:27] beginning and then he's like, "Hey,
[68:29] >> yeah,
[68:30] >> that's my friend over there." You know,
[68:32] he absolutely nags me.
[68:33] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he [laughter]
[68:34] actually, you know, he's so um he's so
[68:37] so troll Twitter was saying Tally is
[68:40] happy with 12.1 and Zulujan because
[68:43] being British he loves colonization.
[68:45] Like what the [ __ ] I when you say troll
[68:47] Twitter, I know exactly who you're
[68:47] talking about. You're talking about like
[68:48] the 10 people I have banned on Twitter,
[68:50] right? And it's like
[68:52] >> was there anything from last week when
[68:54] we were talking about this that
[68:55] suggested I was happy with Zjang getting
[68:57] killed off?
[68:58] >> No, I think I think like people just go
[69:00] on the internet and lie. just what the
[69:03] internet this show like from before 12.1
[69:06] was even announced or even thought of
[69:08] where there's a big picture of Dan
[69:10] saying leave him alone is the headline
[69:12] you know like people just lie about [ __ ]
[69:15] we say on this show it's absolutely wild
[69:16] >> I think people just need an outlet
[69:18] because they're upset cuz he's
[69:20] >> why do I have to be the outlet why do
[69:22] they have to like lie about what I'm
[69:24] saying
[69:24] >> because you're on a you're on the
[69:25] internet you have a face
[69:26] >> or Tally's not harassing any devs he
[69:28] must be happy with it
[69:30] >> I won't listen to the words Tally
[69:31] saying, but I I I notice he's not
[69:33] harassing any devs, so he must be in
[69:35] favor of No, I'm not [ __ ] in favor of
[69:37] what they're doing with Zulujan. As I've
[69:39] said like a thousand times before, Jesus
[69:42] is [ __ ] Christ, morons.
[69:44] >> I think it's just I think No, I think
[69:46] it's just really upset people, I think.
[69:48] >> Yeah. No, and I agree. And I I So, there
[69:50] was a bit of hope in this week when
[69:52] >> Oh, yes. the fight, the penultimate
[69:54] fight of the raid in 12.1, which we
[69:58] haven't had a chance to test yet, and we
[69:59] don't really know anything about either.
[70:02] In upcoming raid testing, they name the
[70:04] fights right?
[70:05] >> Yes.
[70:06] >> Uh, and it's changed name, not once, but
[70:10] twice.
[70:10] >> Yes.
[70:11] >> It's on its third different name now.
[70:13] >> Yeah.
[70:14] >> Uh, and what's it been called? It's been
[70:15] called like the unwilling. So the first
[70:18] name the first name was the unwilling
[70:20] vessel which you talked a little bit
[70:22] >> which knowing that he turns into a snake
[70:24] it's very suggestive that it could be
[70:25] could be zjan uh penultimate I know he's
[70:28] a boss in the uh dungeon as well but
[70:30] penultimate before it would make sense
[70:32] for it to be zan yeah involved in some
[70:35] way and then uh it was changed again to
[70:39] the coiled altar
[70:41] >> a bit more general
[70:42] >> uh and now finally uh it is called the
[70:46] bargained crown.
[70:47] M interesting.
[70:48] >> Ooh.
[70:50] >> Yeah.
[70:50] >> Yeah.
[70:51] >> Yeah. Um Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, oh,
[70:56] apparently you guys looked at Ziljan as
[70:57] a villain right away. No, I said he was
[70:59] getting villain batted right away and
[71:00] I've been proven right. Doesn't mean I
[71:02] like it, though. That's the thing. Like,
[71:03] I I correctly picked up on Blizzard's
[71:06] very obvious villain batting because
[71:09] I've played this game before and I can
[71:10] read words and I've been proven right.
[71:12] And I'm not glad that I'm right. You
[71:14] know, I was like, they're villain
[71:16] batting this guy. I hope they don't.
[71:18] >> Yeah.
[71:19] >> Uh but I I I was objectively correct. It
[71:22] would seem that they are villain batting
[71:24] him, you know. Um and so, but just
[71:26] pointing out objective objective fact
[71:29] isn't like, [laughter]
[71:30] >> you know, I can point out that global
[71:32] warming is happening. That doesn't mean
[71:33] I'm in favor of global warming. Quite
[71:35] the opposite. Usually, the people that
[71:36] deny global warming is happening are the
[71:39] people that are like not in favor of
[71:41] fixing global warming, right? me
[71:43] pointing out that global warming is
[71:44] happening is like, you know, more being
[71:48] against global warming than denying it.
[71:49] And same with Zuljan's villain batting.
[71:51] Like I correctly picked up what Blizz
[71:54] were putting down for villain batting
[71:55] Zuljan. Um, and doesn't mean I'm in
[71:58] favor of it in any way. I'm completely
[71:59] like it.
[72:00] >> No, totally. Um, but yeah, people people
[72:02] are very dishonest when they talk about
[72:03] me on the internet sometimes, but that's
[72:05] part of the job. I know. I get it. I get
[72:07] it. Um, so what do you think? Do you
[72:10] think there's anything in the uh the the
[72:12] fight name changes?
[72:13] >> I think there could be something to it.
[72:15] I I mean, I think they're just trying to
[72:17] change the tone of it a bit, whatever it
[72:20] is meant to be. Like I I have a just
[72:24] just the tiniest like nub of left in me.
[72:28] And I just I I think that he won't die.
[72:30] I don't think Sjian's going to die.
[72:31] >> Well, I hope not.
[72:32] >> Yeah. I just uh I just don't think it's
[72:34] going to happen.
[72:35] >> Yeah.
[72:35] >> And but I think he will lose something
[72:37] of himself along the way. Like you
[72:40] they become his form, right? Like I
[72:42] think he will be changed by his
[72:44] experience. I think we will we will have
[72:46] like a confrontation,
[72:48] >> but I but I I'm like secretly hoping
[72:50] he's not going to be gone.
[72:52] >> Well, I and like I say, I am so in favor
[72:55] of the idea of having like a snake
[72:58] Armani character
[72:59] >> just, you know, relearning what it means
[73:02] to be Amani. Like it's, you know, it I
[73:07] just think that's such an interesting
[73:08] concept. This guy who he was, he was so
[73:12] proud of what he was and he's not that
[73:14] thing anymore. So, how does he cope,
[73:15] right? What does he do? He has to well,
[73:17] he has to redefine what being Armani
[73:20] even is, which is just a good thing to
[73:22] do. And and and I think that's and you
[73:24] know, that's how he can find his his arc
[73:26] and his redemption. And I there's still
[73:29] there's still space for that to happen.
[73:30] I just really don't think it is because
[73:32] I I think he dies.
[73:33] >> Um I I really hope you're right. But
[73:35] anyway, that's something the player base
[73:36] is unhappy about.
[73:38] >> Um I'm unhappy about it, too. I think
[73:40] it's fair to say E's unhappy about it,
[73:41] too. Like, I'm always I'm, you know, I'm
[73:43] trying to keep an open mind about it if
[73:45] if it's done particularly well.
[73:47] >> You know, it's
[73:49] >> I don't I don't think that it's it's not
[73:51] pulled out of their asses or anything
[73:52] like that. I I think it was very clearly
[73:54] laid out from the from the questing,
[73:56] >> but yeah, it's just the least
[73:58] interesting thing they could have done
[73:58] with it in my opinion. And that's what I
[74:00] find offensive.
[74:01] >> Yeah, same.
[74:02] Can you just do something? Yeah, just
[74:04] >> like every other option was a bit more
[74:05] interesting.
[74:06] >> So, there we go. Such is life. Um, so
[74:09] another thing uh that I've been doing on
[74:12] the PTR this week was uh because another
[74:15] thing that people are concerned about
[74:17] when it comes to 12.1 is how, you know,
[74:21] trolly it is, how low it is. That's
[74:24] obviously all a good thing, but how
[74:26] potentially disconnected it is from the
[74:28] main story of Midnight. Have you heard
[74:30] people talking about this?
[74:30] >> I have not.
[74:31] >> Oh, really? Okay. Well, this is a
[74:32] discourse as well. And of course, I'm
[74:34] sympathetic to it's that thing of like,
[74:35] well, this is the traditional like mid
[74:37] patch sidestep. They did it with Udoir
[74:41] uh to greater claim. They did it with um
[74:44] undermine to slightly lesser claim from
[74:46] some quarters. And you know,
[74:49] >> there's this worry that okay, well, what
[74:51] about Zath? Are we losing momentum to go
[74:53] on like this little side quest
[74:55] basically?
[74:56] >> And one of the things I've been really
[74:58] delighted to kind of test out on the PTR
[75:00] this week was the Artor quest lines.
[75:02] >> Oh, which are set after the raid.
[75:06] >> Ah,
[75:07] >> okay. So, these won't be there on the
[75:09] first week of release. They'll probably
[75:10] be there the week after the raid goes
[75:12] live.
[75:13] >> Um, and it's the story of Arattor. You
[75:16] might have seen it online. Someone
[75:18] posted it and was like, "Look at this
[75:19] Disney ass shit." Because there's like a
[75:22] cut scene at the beginning where Artor,
[75:25] absolute [ __ ] Disney idiot, is sad
[75:27] that his parents might be dead.
[75:29] >> Oh no.
[75:29] >> And Umbrich is like, "Hey, let's go and
[75:32] try and find them. Maybe they're not."
[75:34] >> And that's Disney apparently. That's
[75:35] like I don't follow. That's Liz being
[75:37] like Disney. Like when someone is sad
[75:39] that their parents might be dead. That's
[75:41] some Disney ass [ __ ] right there.
[75:43] >> Yeah, for sure.
[75:44] >> That's like holy [ __ ] You know that
[75:45] scene in The Godfather where they're all
[75:47] at like, you know, Marlon Brando's
[75:49] funeral and they're all a bit sad
[75:50] because their dad is dead.
[75:52] >> Yeah.
[75:52] >> [ __ ] Disney [ __ ] man.
[75:53] >> Yeah.
[75:54] >> Like disgusting. I hate that [ __ ]
[75:56] Imagine being upset cuz your parents
[75:57] might be dead.
[75:59] >> [ __ ] [ __ ] Um, so uh you go on a
[76:03] little quest with uh Arat. Um, and like
[76:07] I say it, so a a very big spoiler here
[76:10] cuz you were talking about the idea of,
[76:12] you know, us using Oolletch to defeat
[76:15] Kithics and stuff later on and what have
[76:17] you. That's not going to happen. Tech's
[76:18] dead.
[76:18] >> Oh [ __ ]
[76:19] >> Yeah, we kill We Yeah, we cool we kill.
[76:22] Why?
[76:22] >> He's dead.
[76:23] >> Why do they have to keep killing the
[76:24] things that I like?
[76:25] >> Why do we have to keep killing raid
[76:26] bosses?
[76:28] You
[76:28] >> know, dead. like they they they talk
[76:30] about it multiple times and they talk
[76:32] about how well through the course of
[76:35] their discoveries, which I'm not going
[76:36] to uh spoil for you, but they go on a
[76:38] little hunt. They they they they're
[76:40] like, "We're going to go and bully some
[76:42] uh Twilight Blade
[76:44] >> down in the south part of Everong, okay,
[76:46] >> uh to to find out what they know." And
[76:48] you meet this little voiding.
[76:50] >> I love a good voiding.
[76:51] >> Oh my god, he's so good. He's like, "I
[76:55] don't know who I am, but I know I hate
[76:57] Twilight Blade. please help me by
[76:59] feeding me them. And so you do you take
[77:02] him along for some [ __ ] reason.
[77:04] >> I like you feed and he turns out to be a
[77:06] character that you know and it's it's
[77:07] kind of good and you chase him and this
[77:09] is amazing bit where he escapes through
[77:11] a portal and you chase him through void
[77:13] space and you dive through void space
[77:16] and you and Umbri and Arat and you're
[77:18] hurtling and it's it's it's the
[77:20] Demensius boss room and you're you're in
[77:23] these void bubbles and you're you're
[77:24] flying through and it plays the
[77:26] currently plays the Dementius music as
[77:27] well. Oh, and you're perfectly. And you
[77:29] have to like you have to like dodge
[77:31] stuff and like heal stuff and shoot
[77:33] stuff and it's [ __ ] awesome. It's so
[77:36] good.
[77:36] >> I will use any excuse to get in there.
[77:38] >> Oh my god. And then it sets up the
[77:40] resurrection of Kithics because it's
[77:42] like with Oolletch dead,
[77:45] >> the way is now clear for Kith because
[77:47] Ulletch as as as Ulitech's uh stone
[77:52] >> thing that he drops makes very clear it
[77:55] was Oolletch keeping Kithix under wraps
[77:57] down there. So the fact that is dead now
[77:59] means that the twilight blade can can
[78:00] the mural thank you can resurrect
[78:02] Kithix. So Kithix is clearly the boss in
[78:05] the one boss raid in the mini as we
[78:07] predicted
[78:08] >> but like very much being set up for the
[78:10] the coming back of Kithix and that being
[78:12] a big fight and uh that's kind of
[78:15] awesome really. And so
[78:18] the wor I would say the worries of there
[78:20] not being enough voidy stuff in this
[78:22] patch.
[78:23] This quest line completely put that to
[78:25] bed for me because it's actually the
[78:27] most straight up voidy [ __ ] we've had
[78:29] this expansion.
[78:31] >> Like something about having the uh the
[78:34] voidling follow you around. And you know
[78:37] it was it's an old voiding right with a
[78:39] funny voice. Not like goofy ass dominar.
[78:42] Not like a void planet. You you've got a
[78:44] voidling following you around. You're
[78:45] killing Twilight's Blade. You jump
[78:47] through a portal. You're zooming through
[78:48] space. You know, they're talking about
[78:50] bringing back an a black empire general
[78:52] and [ __ ] Like it's old school voidy
[78:55] vibes and it feels awesome. And and and
[78:57] it it is very much on Zalat's kind of
[78:59] say so that they're doing this. It was
[79:01] like one of the things she talked about
[79:02] before she disappeared cuz they don't
[79:03] know where she's gone either.
[79:04] >> And and they're like why has she
[79:06] abandoned us? Maybe if we bring back
[79:08] Kithic she'll come back cuz she'll be
[79:09] pleased with us sort of thing.
[79:10] >> Um and it's it's awesome. It's It's
[79:13] really really good and I I'm at like a
[79:15] genuine despite how like Disney it is
[79:17] obviously because someone's sad that
[79:19] their parents might be dead. Um it's
[79:20] really awesome. It's so cool. And then
[79:22] you you go you go [laughter] because
[79:25] obviously like uh
[79:29] the the the stuff that the Armani have
[79:31] been doing in the in the uh leveling has
[79:34] left the way open for the Twilight
[79:35] Splade and a lot of the areas of Zula
[79:37] man where this is happening and stuff.
[79:38] Right. You go and report all this to to
[79:41] Loramar in Silver Moon and he's just
[79:44] like
[79:45] >> the [ __ ] arm I know.
[79:47] >> I knew I should have taken that [ __ ]
[79:49] place over.
[79:50] >> Oh god. He's just great and I love him.
[79:52] And um it just it feels really voidy. It
[79:55] feels really like a plot.
[79:57] >> It's clearly setting up well it's
[79:58] clearly setting up um
[80:01] >> uh Arat as the child of Light and
[80:03] Shadow. Uh, which is something that
[80:05] obviously we've been speculating about
[80:07] since Legion. Um, and
[80:11] but Tally, how can he be the child of
[80:14] light and shadow? Cuz when he was born,
[80:16] Lyia didn't have any shadow in her. So,
[80:20] so it's not a true prophecy, is it? It's
[80:22] like
[80:24] >> if I if my dad became a wrestler
[80:27] tomorrow, I would be the son of a
[80:29] wrestler regardless of whether he was a
[80:32] wrestler when I was born. like he
[80:34] becomes a wrestler. I am now the son of
[80:36] a wrestler. Okay? So any prophecy
[80:38] predicting the son of a wrestler
[80:40] >> doing something important doesn't matter
[80:42] if he was a wrestler when I was born.
[80:44] Okay? It matters that he was a wrestler
[80:46] when I do the thing.
[80:48] >> Then the prophecy is correct. It
[80:49] prophesied the son of a wrestler. Okay?
[80:52] He didn't have to be a wrestler when I
[80:53] was born. That's how language works.
[80:55] >> Apparently that was your Jason Staithm
[80:57] impression.
[80:58] >> What?
[81:00] >> Fieldy says that was your Jason
[81:01] Stathithm impression. What was
[81:02] >> that in the voice?
[81:04] >> Oh my [laughter]
[81:05] I'm a beekeeper. Don't [ __ ] with me.
[81:08] >> Is that what is that what he actually
[81:10] sounds like?
[81:11] >> I don't [snorts] know. I've seen Jason
[81:12] Stathithm in real life.
[81:13] >> I don't think I've ever heard his voice.
[81:14] >> I was in a bar with him once and he
[81:16] >> Is he very small?
[81:17] >> He's He's so small. You have no idea.
[81:19] >> Okay.
[81:20] >> He's like
[81:20] >> It's got to be that proportion. I
[81:22] thought he was the guy that played Mini
[81:23] Me in the in in the uh in the movies at
[81:26] first. He's so tight, but he has he is
[81:29] be like lots of like lots of short
[81:31] kings. He is beautifully proportioned,
[81:33] which is why short kings make such
[81:34] brilliant film sets, right? Like
[81:36] beautifully proportioned, very
[81:37] attractive. He was going out with like a
[81:39] a statuesque 6 foot tall [ __ ]
[81:42] supermodel.
[81:42] >> Uh Rosie Huntington
[81:43] >> Whitley. This was a very long time ago,
[81:46] so maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I
[81:47] don't know. But um like uh yeah, like
[81:49] clearly a very attractive man. Like no,
[81:51] as are many of my short kings, like
[81:54] absolutely. Um but uh yeah. Yeah. No.
[81:56] Um,
[81:57] >> what was I talking about? Oh, yeah. So,
[81:59] anyway, clearly setting up the child of
[82:01] light and shadow and, um, just some
[82:03] really interesting things going on that
[82:05] story. I was really happy with it. I
[82:06] thought it was a really, really good
[82:07] story line. So, yeah, again, just for
[82:09] bounce, I know that's a worry that
[82:10] people have that there isn't a
[82:12] connection to void stuff and what have
[82:13] you in this uh, patch. Just based on
[82:15] that, I'm I'm pretty happy that there is
[82:17] a little bit, you know, the suggestion
[82:19] there's going to be more quests
[82:20] throughout the patch
[82:21] >> on that theme as well. So, yeah, we'll
[82:24] wait and see, I guess.
[82:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. you know,
[82:26] >> um there were a couple of things that
[82:28] came up this week that I found uh did
[82:30] not make me angry. Oh, really?
[82:32] >> They were I found them very redemptive.
[82:33] >> Not really on theme then, but let's hear
[82:35] it.
[82:35] >> No, I know. But I think they're really
[82:36] important, including one of them, which
[82:38] was um just posted on Wowhead uh 15
[82:41] hours ago now. Really, really buried the
[82:44] lead on this one. The title is clear
[82:46] outlines on cone and line attacks,
[82:48] upcoming changes to season 2 mythic plus
[82:50] dungeons. And you're like,
[82:52] >> "Cool, good, good." But what this
[82:55] actually is is like a full breakdown
[82:57] bluepost of every single dungeon coming
[82:59] in the Mythic Plus rotation in season 2.
[83:02] Oh, how it's being fixed. Oh,
[83:04] >> and why you why they are aware that
[83:06] people hate them, but they're fixing
[83:08] them to make them much better. This is I
[83:10] I read
[83:10] >> that is bing cuz I didn't even click on
[83:12] that article cuz I was like,
[83:13] >> I didn't even click on it the first
[83:15] time.
[83:16] >> It's on the first page. It's one of the
[83:18] first things there
[83:19] >> cuz I saw the graphic and I was like,
[83:20] well, that looks good.
[83:22] I'm quite a highle player. I can I can
[83:24] see the [ __ ] on the ground.
[83:25] >> No, this is this is this is really
[83:27] really good. There's been a whole blue
[83:29] post, pages upon pages of uh feedback
[83:33] that they've given uh outlining uh what
[83:37] they're doing for Mythic Plus season 2
[83:39] and why.
[83:40] >> Okay. Every dungeon gets a full creature
[83:43] review to help avoid every creature from
[83:44] feeling the same and distribute
[83:46] challenge across the entire group.
[83:47] Season 2 is taking uh trying to take
[83:49] some of the pressure off tanks and
[83:50] healers, putting on DPS instead by
[83:52] slightly increasing health pools to
[83:53] encourage damage prioritization and
[83:54] cooldown timing, while some enemies
[83:56] abilities will now deal less real damage
[83:57] except for uh applying more penalties to
[83:59] player output, blah blah blah. Anything
[84:01] that caught your eye in this in this
[84:02] launch?
[84:02] >> Uh sorry, worth saying that spoilers are
[84:04] now over.
[84:05] >> Thank you. Sorry. Thank you.
[84:06] >> Spoilers are now over. Um, yeah, just
[84:08] how they they're literally gone through
[84:09] every they're like, and this was I think
[84:11] this was obvious when they announced the
[84:12] dungeons, but it's really really good
[84:13] that they're saying like, okay, murder
[84:15] row, uh, the cantina stuff goes by
[84:17] faster, uh, casting abilities have been
[84:19] taken out of, uh, loads of mobs, RP
[84:22] events go quicker, free, uh, Den of
[84:24] Narak, freezing wind, EASIER TO
[84:27] NAVIGATE. [laughter]
[84:28] >> I'LL BELIEVE IT when I [ __ ] see it,
[84:30] >> right? Blinding Veil, uh, caster is
[84:33] reduced. Um, uh, King's Rest role play
[84:37] goes by faster, fixed sequences, new
[84:40] abilities, boss reworked, enemy density.
[84:43] Like,
[84:44] >> it's really good. It like this is it's
[84:46] just cool. I to me I was like, this is a
[84:49] big win for Blizz. Thank you. Big W for
[84:51] communication.
[84:52] >> Yeah, for communication certainly
[84:53] >> for communication like literally
[84:55] outlining everything. This is a really
[84:56] and yeah, you get you get cones and
[84:58] stuff. Visible cones. This is have a
[85:00] look. It's really really in-depth. It's
[85:03] really detailed. point out something
[85:04] that really worries me in this. This
[85:06] just caught my eye really quick.
[85:07] >> Um,
[85:08] >> one key difference is we'd like to the
[85:10] difficulty of a dungeon to be even more
[85:11] shared across the group.
[85:12] >> Specifically, we'd like the DPS role to
[85:14] factor more strongly into a group
[85:15] success. Nope.
[85:17] >> Do you mean interrupts?
[85:18] >> As a healer, can I please just say it's
[85:21] fine? Let me carry please. Like, no. I
[85:25] do not want that. DPS don't want that.
[85:27] Like tanks and healers, you know, Blizz
[85:30] are expecting tanks and healers to be
[85:31] like, "Oh, yeah, at last. Thanks, Blizz.
[85:33] But no, tanks and healers are sitting
[85:34] there like, "Uh, absolutely [ __ ] not.
[85:36] No way. If you could give me a chance to
[85:38] take DPS completely out of the equation,
[85:39] make it all down to tank and healer,
[85:41] that would be great, actually. That
[85:42] would be really good. Thanks."
[85:43] [laughter]
[85:47] But no, I I I thought it was really cool
[85:48] that they came out with this. Um, it was
[85:50] really neat. And also speaking of
[85:52] Wowhead, uh, this is really interesting.
[85:54] Wowhead recently put out a an article
[85:57] called Wowhead in 2026 and beyond
[85:59] something we said we were going to talk
[85:59] about.
[86:00] >> This is Yeah, this is, you know, we
[86:01] should talk about this a little bit. um
[86:03] uh you know because many of you may have
[86:06] noticed uh that things have felt
[86:08] different on Wowhead. I think that's
[86:10] fair to say. There would
[86:12] >> for a while now
[86:12] >> for a while. For a while it's felt that
[86:14] way. You know, we've seen the departure
[86:16] of some familiar kind of important faces
[86:18] from Wowhead. Um there was a sudden
[86:21] influx of articles which I think we can
[86:24] all agree felt like very clickbaity and
[86:29] no substance really. This kind of like
[86:31] something the most important thing.
[86:33] Yeah. And of course, you know, in this
[86:36] day and age, it's kind of sparked
[86:37] people's worries about the use of AI.
[86:39] Um, and uh so they an article has just
[86:44] come out uh on Wowhead, which is
[86:46] >> I I kind of I just want to say before we
[86:48] move on, I think a lot of that criticism
[86:49] was very uh justified as well.
[86:52] Absolutely. I'm very much of the opinion
[86:54] that Yeah, a lot of that stuff has been
[86:56] noticeable with Wowhead recently. I
[86:58] would I would definitely agree with
[86:59] that. Sometimes over the last couple of
[87:01] years, let's be real. Yeah.
[87:02] >> I would look at
[87:04] >> a Wowhead article and kind of just roll
[87:06] my eyes
[87:07] >> and and be like, I expect that from
[87:09] certain YouTubers, but not from you,
[87:11] right? And like,
[87:13] >> yeah,
[87:13] >> you know. Yeah. I I I think most people
[87:15] would agree.
[87:16] >> Yeah. Um, so yeah. So, I'm not going to
[87:17] go into a detail of all of it here, but
[87:19] it's up on Wowhead and it's uh
[87:21] >> Well, no, is there some anything that
[87:23] kind of
[87:23] >> Yes, I'm gonna Yeah, I'm not That's why
[87:24] I say I'm not going to read the whole
[87:26] thing because it's very very long and
[87:27] like like this uh
[87:29] >> Blizz Blue post recently that came out.
[87:31] Um but this is uh Blaney who's kind of
[87:34] the the head of the content team now at
[87:36] Wowhead, just uh addressing a few
[87:38] things. Uh this is very I have to say
[87:41] this is a very nicely written Wowhead
[87:43] article. It's broken up very clearly and
[87:45] I can understand it a bit better meta.
[87:47] >> Probably not AI.
[87:48] >> Exactly. Probably not AI. Well, you
[87:50] know, the first thing is like the
[87:51] biggest question, AI. Uh I love the
[87:53] TLDDRS on this. Wowhead does not use AI
[87:55] to write anything. We know there's been
[87:57] speculation and we have firm rules and
[87:58] processes regarding this. Um apparently
[88:02] there are like very strict rules. If
[88:04] people use AI uh or are found to be
[88:07] using AI when writing articles, they uh
[88:10] investigated if it's true. they're
[88:13] fired. So that is um
[88:16] >> Yeah,
[88:16] >> that is the state of
[88:17] >> I think quite a lot of people fired from
[88:18] what I heard recently.
[88:19] >> Well, yeah,
[88:20] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't you know a lot of
[88:22] that is just evil catalism, right?
[88:23] Exactly. But here's the thing. You know
[88:25] how like loads of people left Blizzard
[88:26] in in the abuse scandal and one or two
[88:28] of them were definitely abusers, right?
[88:30] But you can't look at everyone who left
[88:32] during the abuse scandal and be like,
[88:33] "Oh, they were probably abusers."
[88:34] >> Exactly. We're not going to paint
[88:35] everyone with a broad a broad brush
[88:37] here. Um uh yeah. Um, they address the
[88:41] ads issue, which if you have ever used
[88:43] Wowheads, you will know that is frankly
[88:46] unusable on mobile. If you have it open
[88:49] in a tab while you're playing the game,
[88:51] it does not work.
[88:53] >> Okay, I'm actually going to
[88:55] >> Mhm.
[88:55] >> I'm going to I'm going to say something
[88:56] which no one's going to like.
[88:58] >> No, no, that's new.
[88:59] >> As you can see, because I've got Wowhead
[89:01] up on my screen right now,
[89:02] >> and there are no adverts on it. Okay.
[89:05] Since 2018, I've been paying a
[89:07] subscription to Wowhead because I use it
[89:09] every single day of my life. I through
[89:12] the course of my work, I often have like
[89:14] 10 15 Wowhead tabs open in my browser at
[89:17] any one time. Yes, with the adverts on,
[89:19] you simply couldn't do that. It would
[89:20] break your [ __ ] computer.
[89:22] >> Like, and that is bad. I'm not
[89:24] pretending that's not bad, but at the
[89:26] same time, I was like, well, look,
[89:28] clearly I value the service they
[89:30] provide. Clearly, I still want to use
[89:32] their site. I hate these adverts for
[89:35] what is I mean I don't even know what it
[89:36] costs. At the time it was like a couple
[89:38] of quid
[89:39] >> like literally a year or something like
[89:40] that.
[89:41] >> Maybe it's a bit more now. I don't even
[89:43] know. But I think for for how much I use
[89:45] it, it's got to be my cheapest,
[89:47] >> you know, subscription
[89:49] >> per use, you know, that I own out of
[89:52] anything. And that probably includes WoW
[89:53] as well.
[89:54] >> Um, and I think I think I did this
[89:57] before the channel even, so I think it's
[89:59] not even tax deductible. I don't think
[90:00] it even comes out of the company. me. I
[90:01] think it just comes out of my account,
[90:02] but I never even notice it cuz it's so
[90:04] small.
[90:04] >> Yeah.
[90:05] >> Um, and I haven't had I haven't had
[90:06] adverts on here since 2018, right?
[90:08] >> Like, so I I I get it. I understand the
[90:11] ads are out of control, but also it's a
[90:14] website that I value and the information
[90:16] I value on it, so I pay for it and I get
[90:18] I I that it doesn't affect me.
[90:20] >> I'm just saying.
[90:21] >> Yeah,
[90:21] >> that's all.
[90:22] >> That's good.
[90:23] >> You know,
[90:23] >> for people who don't do that, uh,
[90:25] >> consider it maybe. That's all. I get it.
[90:27] You shouldn't have to pay for [ __ ] on
[90:28] the internet. I I get it, right? But
[90:30] like
[90:31] >> people who who write for a living should
[90:33] be paid, right? Like
[90:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um
[90:36] >> where else does that money come from?
[90:37] >> I would I would, you know, I've got a
[90:38] lot of subscriptions. Okay. Netflix, uh
[90:42] Pornhub, um like, you know, I haven't
[90:45] got a Pornhub subscription, don't worry.
[90:47] >> Porn Do you mean Do you mean like
[90:48] Ponehub?
[90:49] >> No. No. I I was making a joke. I'm not I
[90:52] I you know, um but the subscription if I
[90:55] you know, I would give up my Netflix
[90:56] subscription. I would give up my Disney
[90:58] Plus subscription. you know, all of that
[91:00] before I gave up a my uh like YouTube
[91:04] premium subscription, if that's even
[91:06] what it's called nowadays. Again,
[91:07] something I've had since about 2016.
[91:10] >> Uh haven't watched an advert on on uh
[91:12] YouTube in since 2016, unless it was
[91:14] every telling me about Squarespace,
[91:16] right?
[91:16] >> Um
[91:18] >> and and my Wowhead subscription. Those
[91:20] are the two subscriptions that would
[91:21] literally be the last ones that I gave
[91:22] up. Oh, I'm Wow, probably as well. Yeah,
[91:24] but go start saying it. Yeah. Yeah.
[91:27] >> Um I just recommend it. Uh so yeah, so
[91:29] there I think they're like kind of
[91:31] reassessing the the ad structure on the
[91:33] website. Um and and likewise um uh
[91:37] there's a whole uh section about content
[91:39] and about like hey we tried some we
[91:42] noticed you guys really didn't like
[91:44] these articles. Um we're not going to do
[91:47] them anymore. We tried something. We're
[91:49] not doing it anymore. Um if you don't
[91:52] like something, tell us. Right. And I I
[91:55] have to say I appreciate this kind of
[91:57] like just transparency. I think it's
[92:00] good especially in a time when again
[92:02] you're like hey is this website being
[92:04] completely run by AI right now because
[92:07] many things are right so much is so
[92:09] automated. I've never
[92:10] >> I've never had so many like sponsorship
[92:14] opportunities or literally like there
[92:16] are no real agents anymore. They're all
[92:19] just AI agents to navigate. Well, when
[92:22] we do a video, which is a sponsored
[92:24] videos of Squarespace, we have to get
[92:25] approved, right, before before the video
[92:27] goes out where like, you know, just make
[92:29] sure we're not saying anything like
[92:31] terrible,
[92:33] >> go out, hit some kids or something,
[92:35] right? Like um and it used to take a
[92:37] couple of days for that to happen. Now
[92:39] it happens in 5 minutes
[92:40] >> and you're like,
[92:41] >> well, I think
[92:42] >> I don't know what process I don't know
[92:43] what process they're doing.
[92:46] >> But I don't think there's many humans
[92:47] involved in it anymore.
[92:48] >> Even systems have been automated.
[92:49] >> Yeah. Um but yeah uh so it's um I just
[92:53] thought that was really interesting for
[92:54] anyone who is uh who who is curious
[92:56] about kind of the future of what I would
[92:58] say is like the core World of Warcraft
[93:01] database and news site, right? People
[93:05] rely on it for so many things. It was it
[93:07] was really heartening to see this uh
[93:09] this kind of message come out to be
[93:11] honest. Um doesn't necessarily outline
[93:14] the future, but it's like hey um we're
[93:16] still humans here. We're we're figuring
[93:19] it out. We're trying to figure out
[93:20] what's next. Yeah.
[93:21] >> So, um, that was quite cool.
[93:23] >> Iconography. Use our code. Um,
[93:25] [laughter]
[93:25] >> heck yeah. Heck yeah. I got Kimchi to
[93:28] use our code recently.
[93:29] >> Yes.
[93:30] >> Yeah.
[93:32] >> Get in there.
[93:33] >> Um, but yeah, those are some things that
[93:35] in this week of like, you know, living
[93:38] on the face of the sun. That made me
[93:40] feel good, too.
[93:41] >> I I actually respect Wowhead for this
[93:43] because I was I was having my doubts
[93:45] about Wowhead as well. And uh you know I
[93:48] was dismayed to see like all the layoffs
[93:49] and stuff recently. We talked about this
[93:51] last week I think but particularly with
[93:52] Peculiar cuz I love Peculiar and uh you
[93:55] know she's like just awesome.
[93:57] >> But I I I really respect this article. I
[93:59] think this article is really good. It's
[94:01] well written and the things that they're
[94:03] talking about changing
[94:04] >> Yes, please. I would like to see them
[94:06] change those things. I think that's
[94:07] awesome.
[94:07] >> Exactly. And I really enjoy the
[94:09] discussion that's happening underneath
[94:10] it because the author Bly is going
[94:12] through and literally responding to
[94:13] every single comment. It's kind of
[94:15] awesome
[94:15] >> and it's kind of amazing and the uh the
[94:18] comments are like mostly really good
[94:20] feedback. People being like, "Hey,
[94:21] actually, you know, there's like memory
[94:23] leaks and I don't like this type of
[94:25] content because it's not good." And um I
[94:28] appreciate, you know, it's actually it's
[94:29] it's pretty good. You do get a couple of
[94:31] people who are like, "Haha, this article
[94:33] was written by AI. Look at all the
[94:35] dashes." It's like, uh it it just come,
[94:40] you know, come on. And I only found one
[94:42] of our haters in there. So,
[94:44] >> hey. [laughter]
[94:46] >> Wow, they must be on holiday.
[94:48] >> I know exactly. The haters must be on
[94:49] holiday. Um, but yeah. So,
[94:51] >> well, he just hasn't had a chance to log
[94:52] on to all his other accounts yet. That's
[94:54] >> Give them time. [laughter]
[94:56] >> Um, so, so that was that made me
[94:59] >> Yeah. No, I I I think that's No, I I
[95:02] found it like a lot of [ __ ] has been
[95:04] said about Wowhead justifiably in the
[95:07] last uh few months in particular. Uh,
[95:09] and I think, you know, fair play. I
[95:10] think that's a good response. Credit
[95:12] where it's due.
[95:12] >> Yeah.
[95:13] >> Yeah. Good stuff. Anything else? Oh, a
[95:15] couple of just like little news tidbits.
[95:17] >> Yeah.
[95:17] >> Um, new warband screens coming in 12.1.
[95:20] >> Yeah. Can I say something?
[95:21] >> Yes.
[95:22] >> I think the void one's really ugly.
[95:24] >> This one?
[95:24] >> Yeah.
[95:24] >> Why?
[95:25] >> It's not voidy enough.
[95:27] >> Not voidy enough.
[95:28] >> No, it's not void. Just make it purple,
[95:30] man.
[95:30] >> Okay. Yeah. Okay.
[95:31] >> Look at that. I think the other one is
[95:33] beautiful. I think that that silver moon
[95:35] lovely. Your characters are going to be
[95:36] in high Look. No. See, look. Your
[95:38] characters stand in front of that. Your
[95:40] characters are high contrast. you have
[95:42] this like nice kind of glowing washed
[95:44] out stuff. Um, yeah. Uh, and then the
[95:47] void one is like it's just a bit purple
[95:49] in the background. It's not purple in
[95:51] the foreground. I don't like it. There's
[95:53] some feedback.
[95:54] >> Yeah, true. [laughter] Okay, there's
[95:55] some feedback for you. But anyway, those
[95:57] are coming.
[95:57] >> Absolutely. Do this before you before
[95:58] you save Zjam.
[96:00] >> Um, look, I think most people are going
[96:02] to disagree with you. I think most
[96:03] people are going to say that one looks
[96:04] much better
[96:04] >> for for like the high contrast. Yeah,
[96:07] maybe.
[96:07] >> But I maybe maybe I'm wrong. I I prefer
[96:09] the voidy one as well. um if I'm honest.
[96:12] But oh no, you know what? I I I I take
[96:14] what you're saying on board. You've
[96:15] changed my mind. I prefer the other one
[96:16] now. I'd like to see the flags being red
[96:18] if I'm completely honest. The uh
[96:20] >> I know. Why aren't they red, man? I
[96:22] know. It's like, wait, that's a silver
[96:24] moon.
[96:25] >> Yeah,
[96:25] >> that's a silver moon.
[96:26] >> I'd like to see the flags be red just
[96:28] because for my own I know they're blue
[96:29] there in the game,
[96:30] >> but I'd like to see them be red just
[96:32] because I don't know. Just I would.
[96:34] Okay.
[96:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know.
[96:36] >> Um but no, you you convinced me. I like
[96:38] I like I like this building. Oh, you
[96:40] know, you convinced me. You know,
[96:41] >> I just think your characters are going
[96:43] to look good in front of that. If it's
[96:44] too busy in the background, you're going
[96:45] to get
[96:46] >> confused. Do you know what? Do you know
[96:48] what would be really awesome? I think
[96:49] it'd be really cool if, uh, when you if
[96:51] you had this one as your war band
[96:52] screen.
[96:53] >> Mhm.
[96:54] >> The title music changed to being more
[96:55] voidy like [laughter]
[96:58] >> that's really really cool.
[96:59] >> Um, yeah. So, uh, that's that's pretty
[97:01] nice. And, uh, oh, that's the that's the
[97:04] only other articles I had up really. So,
[97:06] the only other thing I wanted to touch
[97:07] on really quickly before we got to um
[97:10] Q&A's
[97:12] >> uh before we got to super chats,
[97:14] >> yeah,
[97:14] >> was Camelot.
[97:15] >> Oh, right.
[97:16] >> We talked a little bit about Camelot
[97:18] last week and what that's going to mean,
[97:20] but there there has been like, you know,
[97:22] some a very interesting couple of Reddit
[97:25] posts which would suggest
[97:27] >> have
[97:28] >> that maybe it is legit as well.
[97:31] >> The ideas and the idea that um Oh,
[97:33] whoops. That's not it. the idea that
[97:37] um where did I put it? Oh, here it is.
[97:39] >> Oh. Oh, right.
[97:40] >> So, this timeline was posted apparently
[97:45] last year, like in 2025 before Camelot
[97:49] was known
[97:50] >> on Reddit.
[97:50] >> Yeah. On Reddit.
[97:51] >> Okay.
[97:52] >> There's reason to believe this might be
[97:53] true. Okay.
[97:54] >> Honestly, um I'm not saying it is. Like
[97:57] I I always say any leak is fake because
[97:59] 99.9% of the time you're going to prove
[98:01] to be right and then you can act all
[98:02] clever about it. Okay. So, I I maintain
[98:05] that here as well. I'm probably going to
[98:07] veer on it being uh fake, but you know,
[98:13] if it did actually come out in 2025,
[98:15] this this uh screen print, which
[98:17] apparently it did on the on the internet
[98:19] archive, no one's found it apparently,
[98:21] assuming that's true,
[98:23] >> um then it obviously is correct when it
[98:25] comes to the timeline of War Within and
[98:28] uh Midnight so far. is correct on the
[98:30] classic timeline and it places Camelot
[98:34] in Q3 of 2026 which would be Blizzcon.
[98:38] >> Yeah, it would be Blizzcon.
[98:39] >> Uh and you know it's it's under the
[98:41] classic umbrella Camelot.
[98:44] So I mean
[98:47] >> what do you think?
[98:48] >> I don't know. It's the Arthus ARPG.
[98:50] That's
[98:51] >> I was gonna get to that later, but like
[98:53] [laughter] judged on judged on this and
[98:55] the thing is like if this is true,
[98:58] >> you know, uh then um you know, we got we
[99:01] got a Q3 2027 for Last Titan, which
[99:03] okay, anyone could guess that, right?
[99:05] >> Yeah.
[99:05] >> Um but then you've got Warcraft
[99:07] Chronicles RTS. And if I'm completely
[99:09] honest, this is what makes me doubt it.
[99:11] >> Yeah.
[99:12] >> Like
[99:12] >> anime series. Why does it have to say
[99:15] anime series there?
[99:16] >> Oh, in the RTS bit. Yeah. to coincide
[99:19] with the anime series, I guess. But I
[99:21] don't know. I Yeah, I agree. That seems
[99:23] a bit
[99:26] >> And this just seems like a Reddit wish
[99:28] list, basically. Of course it is. And
[99:29] this is where if if this is a fake leak,
[99:31] this is where fake leaks always let
[99:33] themselves down. They can't chill the
[99:35] [ __ ] out. They can't just take a step
[99:37] back. They always have to turn it into
[99:40] like go a little bit too far.
[99:42] >> Yeah. And you see that about like um
[99:44] expansion leaks and stuff all the time.
[99:45] It's like Blizzard are going to do this
[99:47] and this and this
[99:48] >> because they realize they [ __ ] up the
[99:50] entire game. Oh no. Okay, you you you
[99:53] you [ __ ] it. You [ __ ] your leak
[99:55] here. Here you go. You let emotion get
[99:57] away with you. Um and an Arthus ARPG.
[100:00] Like what the [ __ ] is that going to be?
[100:01] Him going to college or something? Like
[100:04] Arthus the college years.
[100:06] >> If it happens, I'm not going to hate it,
[100:08] you know?
[100:08] >> Really? You're not going to hate an
[100:10] Arthus RPG?
[100:12] >> Yeah. No, I just
[100:13] >> We can get Henry Cavill out. We can like
[100:15] put them in like Jana romance.
[100:16] >> We can put Henryville. He would love
[100:18] that in a [ __ ] like, you know,
[100:22] singlet, whatever. Yeah.
[100:24] >> Tighten them up and wheel him out to
[100:25] play 20-year-old Arthus in in moap,
[100:28] right? Be amazing. Um but uh yeah, I I
[100:31] find it very unlikely because of these
[100:32] bottom two things, which do seem like
[100:34] >> I don't know. It might actually make
[100:36] Arthus an interesting character for me.
[100:39] >> I don't think it would.
[100:40] >> But they have the potential to make him
[100:42] a little, you know, a little deeper
[100:43] there. Yeah,
[100:44] >> I don't know. I I don't um I I still
[100:47] don't buy this.
[100:48] >> I don't buy either. I don't believe that
[100:51] 14.0 would be called TBD.
[100:54] >> I uh Oh, no. Maybe it's called the the
[100:58] butt delvers or something.
[100:59] >> To be decided.
[101:00] >> No, I know.
[101:02] >> I know. Okay. You You did the joke so
[101:03] well. I didn't know you were joking.
[101:05] >> Oh, see that happens to me a lot. Um
[101:07] Yeah. So, no, I don't I don't believe
[101:09] that TBD would could be
[101:11] >> Well, also the mix of TBD and TBC,
[101:14] >> which is [laughter]
[101:17] um
[101:17] >> that's a joke as well.
[101:18] >> I know. I know. [laughter]
[101:21] >> Uh yeah, like I I you know, of course,
[101:23] you know, they're planning for the game.
[101:25] It maybe had doesn't have a settled
[101:27] title yet. Maybe the big deal.
[101:30] [laughter]
[101:32] >> Yeah. So, um I don't know. I'm not I'm
[101:35] not sold. I'm not sold, but
[101:38] >> I'm not sold either. I uh I'm not sure I
[101:40] buy it, honestly. But especially in this
[101:42] day of AI and stuff, like, you know, you
[101:45] have to take every leak with even more
[101:47] of a pinch of salt, right? So, uh but I
[101:49] thought it's worth bringing up, you
[101:51] know. Um
[101:51] >> I think it's worth bringing up. Yeah,
[101:53] totally.
[101:53] >> It will continue to live on.
[101:54] >> Also, I just feel sorry for whoever is
[101:56] in charge of the next Wrath of the Lich
[101:57] King classic because like it's getting
[102:00] buried under camo up there. Let's be
[102:02] real. [laughter]
[102:04] But anyway, yeah, there we go. So, uh,
[102:07] let us know what you think of that in
[102:08] the comments and let's get on to some
[102:10] super chats.
[102:11] >> Let's get these super chats going.
[102:13] >> I think we've done quite well
[102:14] considering we're literally melting.
[102:15] >> Yeah, you and my little PC friendly.
[102:18] >> Yeah, I've had I'm I I've got a nice uh
[102:21] nice focused fan on me. So, I'm I think
[102:24] I'm doing okay.
[102:25] >> Got a fan on us.
[102:26] >> Yes. One each. Um, so super chatters,
[102:29] thank you so much uh to everyone who has
[102:30] super chatted today. Uh, Erin Ethria,
[102:34] welcome to the team. Welcome to the
[102:36] team. Welcome. You have You have a
[102:39] lovely purple cadgar head. Enjoy. Enjoy
[102:41] your privileges. [laughter]
[102:44] >> Don't read about Yeah. Yeah. No. No.
[102:46] Because have a look at Chris W, our next
[102:49] super chatter. Look at that gleaming
[102:52] green cadgar. Look at that green cadgar.
[102:55] It doesn't read so well on super chats,
[102:56] but when you see him in chat, when you
[102:58] see them in chat, they look absolutely
[103:00] glorious. Uh Chris W, thank you and
[103:03] congratulations on your green cadgar
[103:04] head. Um I have to pause on the pork
[103:07] chop question for the summer. Yes, it
[103:10] will happen. We were just talking about
[103:12] about pork chops a couple days ago.
[103:13] >> Oh well, actually Annie was asking me to
[103:15] cook pork chops last night. Yeah, last
[103:16] night I said I would. So actually, yeah,
[103:19] >> definitely not in this heat though. [ __ ]
[103:20] that.
[103:20] >> Yeah. So just sending hugs and cooler
[103:22] air your way. Love the beach pics. Oh,
[103:24] thanks Chris. Um, oh, I don't know if
[103:27] you guys saw,
[103:29] but someone
[103:31] there there was a car. There was a
[103:32] number plate with my name on it, which
[103:35] we saw yesterday when we were walking
[103:37] home from the beach, and it was it
[103:42] boggled my mind and I had to like
[103:44] discreetly take my photo in front of it.
[103:47] Um,
[103:49] >> I got it.
[103:49] >> Yeah, there it is. Pull that up so
[103:51] everyone can see. And I did have to
[103:53] clarify like that's not fake because of
[103:56] course very easy to fake an image like
[103:58] this. That is real. That is not my car.
[104:02] That is a car that belongs to someone
[104:06] who either like parks in my neighborhood
[104:09] or lives in my neighborhood.
[104:11] >> Probably an Italian.
[104:13] >> Maybe an Italian driving a little Fiat.
[104:15] I don't know. I don't think everyone who
[104:16] drives a Fiat is an Italian.
[104:18] >> But if it is you,
[104:20] >> they are. You get an Italian passport if
[104:22] you drive a Fiat.
[104:24] >> Yeah. Uh if that if that is you, let me
[104:27] know because I saw this and I was like,
[104:30] wait, that's my name. But here's the
[104:33] crazy thing. You can very easily go
[104:36] online and find vehicle registrations in
[104:39] the UK.
[104:39] >> Wait, you are not only doxing this
[104:41] person, you're explaining how to dox
[104:42] them further.
[104:43] >> It does not provide any information
[104:44] about the owner of the vehicle.
[104:46] >> Okay, sorry.
[104:47] >> It literally does not provide any
[104:48] information. only it only provides just
[104:51] stuff about the vehicle itself, not the
[104:52] owner. Don't don't go crazy. Um, and I
[104:55] looked it up and it's not an EVI, it's
[104:59] an EV12.
[105:02] >> EV12. Yeah,
[105:02] >> EV12. This vehicle was registered in
[105:06] Essex in 2012.
[105:10] >> So, this is not a vanity plate. No one
[105:13] has dreamed it dreamed this up and been
[105:15] like, "Hey, can you put Evetel on my
[105:17] number plate?" This is literally just
[105:19] >> You looked it up though. Thank you.
[105:20] >> This is a number plate that exists.
[105:22] >> It just happens to have Everel on it.
[105:25] And I don't know what's crazier, like if
[105:27] that someone would actually put it on
[105:28] their thing or that like it just exists.
[105:31] >> That must mean that there's an Evie
[105:32] Towel number plate out there somewhere
[105:34] as well.
[105:35] >> Maybe
[105:35] >> Evie and
[105:36] >> it could be.
[105:37] >> Wow. If you see it, let us know.
[105:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
[105:41] Um Yeah. So, how cool is that? I know.
[105:45] And I was like, should I leave a note
[105:47] and be like, can I buy this car?
[105:51] >> Do we want a Fiat? I'm too tall for a
[105:54] >> It'll be my car.
[105:56] >> Okay.
[105:56] >> Yeah. Um, so yeah. So, weirdest
[105:59] coincidence ever. Likewise. And like I
[106:01] say, we literally walked by it on our
[106:03] walk home from the beach, got out of the
[106:05] sea, walked home, and it was there. And
[106:07] I was like, "Dang." Pretty awesome.
[106:08] >> Yeah. Super cool. Anyway, had to address
[106:11] that cuz that just kind of drove me
[106:14] Yeah. made me feel a little bit crazy.
[106:17] [laughter]
[106:17] >> Way back to the super chat. Uh, next one
[106:19] is Rico the Orc. Lovely to see you,
[106:21] Rico. Uh, hey. Hey, Evie. This is your
[106:24] friendly super chat reminder. Cheers and
[106:26] love. Nice sixpack, Tally.
[106:30] [laughter]
[106:30] What's up on IRL Shenigans? Give us an
[106:32] update. Uh, we have literally just been
[106:34] melting this week. Uh, but swimming a
[106:36] lot in the sea, which has felt really
[106:37] good.
[106:38] >> Yeah, we've gone to the beach every
[106:39] morning just for a quick dip before
[106:40] >> Yeah, we go in the beach. We go swim in
[106:42] there. We get in the water. cool down a
[106:44] bit. I took the kids to the beach
[106:46] yesterday after school.
[106:48] >> We live like literally 5 minutes away.
[106:50] >> Yeah, we we live right by it. And you
[106:51] know, plus side of living in Wales uh in
[106:54] a heat wave on the coast is that you can
[106:57] just make use of the sea. I'm really
[106:59] glad we have it. It makes me feel good.
[107:00] >> It's pretty awesome.
[107:01] >> That's it. And I'm glad you like Tally
[107:03] six-pack too.
[107:04] >> But I my my work rate has been very slow
[107:06] this week.
[107:06] >> Oh, it's been awful. It's been such a
[107:07] It's been a really bad week.
[107:09] >> So, it's going
[107:11] Yeah. very very bad time for work. But
[107:13] you know what? Here we are. We're
[107:16] picking things up again as things cool
[107:18] down because we're back to [ __ ] weather
[107:20] from Friday. It's [ __ ] weather again
[107:22] because it's either 86° or 65 degrees
[107:25] and raining and we're going back to 65
[107:27] degrees and raining. Can't wait. I love
[107:29] it. I love whales. Anyway, next one. Uh
[107:32] Erin Ethria, thank you. With all the
[107:34] discourse around Ammani troll models, do
[107:36] you think they will give us them in Last
[107:37] Titan with forest green and blue ice
[107:39] troll skin tones? I really hope we'll
[107:42] get them at some point. Yeah,
[107:43] >> it feels so disingenuous isn't the right
[107:46] word, but it feels so [ __ ] to be told
[107:48] that we will have Ammani troll
[107:49] customizations and them just being like
[107:51] some haircuts and tattoos. Like I really
[107:55] I need the body.
[107:56] >> You got to imagine this would be the
[107:57] patch to do it, right?
[107:58] >> It would be
[107:59] >> if you were going to give like the
[107:59] proper
[108:00] >> just going to drop them.
[108:02] >> As for like uh the the North trolls with
[108:07] the blue skin and stuff, right? Um, I
[108:10] mean, we we we talked a lot about the uh
[108:14] the fixing up the the reimagining of
[108:16] Northrren that's coming in the Last
[108:18] Titan.
[108:19] >> And something I and I've always been
[108:20] like, I don't think it's going to be the
[108:21] whole continent. I think there'll be big
[108:23] slabs of ice all around the place with
[108:24] zones that just aren't active anymore.
[108:26] You know, something I hadn't thought of,
[108:28] which was pointed out to me the other
[108:29] day, stupidly hadn't thought of. Of
[108:31] course, since North since Wrath of the
[108:34] Lich King, the Cataclysm happened,
[108:37] >> like that's the expansion after, right?
[108:39] And we've never canonically really been
[108:41] back.
[108:42] >> So, you know, like they are kind of free
[108:45] to do whatever they want to North End
[108:46] and just say Cataclysm did it. So, if
[108:49] they want to get rid of certain parts of
[108:52] North End, if they just don't want
[108:53] another troll patch or whatever, and
[108:55] like just get rid of the [ __ ] blue
[108:56] trolls, man. Like, they can just be
[108:58] like, "Catacly did it. It's gone now.
[108:59] Sorry. Cataclysm was harsh, man.
[109:02] Cataclysm was rough. And they can just
[109:03] basically they have free reign to do
[109:05] whatever they want because cataclysm
[109:07] >> blue trolls. You've got blue trolls on
[109:08] like the login screens, man.
[109:10] >> But but I hadn't even thought of that.
[109:11] >> Oh, you know what I'm talking about. The
[109:12] ice trolls though in Yeah. Yeah. But
[109:14] like, you know,
[109:17] >> yeah.
[109:17] >> Yeah.
[109:17] >> Like I hadn't I honestly hadn't even
[109:19] thought about Cataclysm and how that
[109:21] basically gives them free reign to do
[109:23] anything they want with with uh
[109:24] Northend,
[109:25] >> you know?
[109:26] >> I don't think people would appreciate
[109:27] that.
[109:27] >> I don't think so either. Uh, on a
[109:29] happier note, Captain Thunder sending 20
[109:33] gift memberships. Thank you so much,
[109:35] Captain Thunder. And congratulations to
[109:37] everyone who has received some Kadgar
[109:39] head action. Um, some emotes.
[109:43] Um, enjoy enjoy those. Please use them
[109:47] in chat. I worked very hard on uploading
[109:49] them here. There are many more I can
[109:51] still upload because there are so many
[109:52] of you because you guys rock. Um, so
[109:54] yeah. Thank you, Captain Thunder and
[109:56] Zarandi2.
[109:58] Welcome to the team.
[109:59] >> Very awesome guy.
[110:00] >> I love it. I love it. And Chris also
[110:02] gifting Chris W gifting another
[110:05] membership to the team. I love it. I
[110:06] love to see it. Uh, next one is from Jay
[110:08] Slade. Um, thank you J Slade. Val should
[110:12] have had Tuscars handing you sleds that
[110:14] you could ride around and give you one
[110:16] shot on enemies when you hit them with
[110:18] their horned sleds. Hell yeah.
[110:20] >> So, there's another thing in Val, sorry,
[110:22] what what this comment is referring to.
[110:23] There's another thing in Val where like
[110:25] you get on some ice and you start it
[110:27] takes you around really quick. You're
[110:28] like, it's like their equivalent of the
[110:29] mushrooms, I guess.
[110:30] >> Mhm.
[110:30] >> But I there's some way it's supposed to
[110:32] go with them, but I don't know where
[110:33] that is. I I like I
[110:36] >> I've never been able to find it. But
[110:37] they are quite good for getting around
[110:38] quite quickly. But yeah, obviously
[110:39] adding a Tuscar to the mix would make it
[110:41] 10 times better. Goes without saying.
[110:43] >> Agreed.
[110:43] >> Yeah, agreed.
[110:45] >> Um
[110:47] yes, that would be super cool. Uh and
[110:49] then next one, uh I welcome to the team.
[110:52] Yes. So good to have you. Thank you.
[110:54] Thank you. Enjoy. Um, and next one is
[110:56] from Argo Durga. Lovely to see you,
[110:58] friend. Hey, always happy to see you
[111:00] live. The flavor text, add this to your
[111:02] book collection for some data mind items
[111:04] is very exciting. Shout out to the
[111:06] Wonderswoods Wisdom Hood. Tough fun.
[111:08] Have you Have you seen this, Tally?
[111:09] >> Uh, no, I haven't actually.
[111:10] >> Um, so uh so there are some flavor text.
[111:14] >> Yeah.
[111:15] >> Uh in items. So this one is called The
[111:18] First Troll Legend. This is a book you
[111:20] you get in like classic or whatever
[111:23] vanilla wow. Um Sorry, I can't show this
[111:25] in not turn her PC on today.
[111:27] >> No, no, sorry. It's [laughter] again too
[111:28] hot. But uh instead of just like, you
[111:31] know, right click to read, there's some
[111:33] flavor text which says use add this book
[111:36] to your book collection.
[111:39] >> Looks like we're getting it, fam. And it
[111:41] becomes a placeable book that you can
[111:42] place in your player house and read
[111:44] whenever you click on it. Yes. And then
[111:47] suddenly we have functioning libraries
[111:48] in WoW. Suddenly we have a reason to go
[111:50] and collect every single book.
[111:51] >> Please,
[111:52] >> this has been So this was something.
[111:54] Please,
[111:55] >> just for those of you who don't
[111:56] understand the lore of this, right?
[111:57] >> Yeah, there is lore behind this.
[111:59] >> When I was lucky enough to be invited to
[112:01] Boston to uh
[112:04] uh um like play test player housing
[112:08] among with some other creators for the
[112:09] first time
[112:10] >> uh and being one of the first people
[112:12] outside of Blizzard to ever try player
[112:13] housing. Yay. Um
[112:15] >> when we were play testing it, this was
[112:18] something that was there. books in the
[112:21] inventory in your in your catalog, your
[112:23] player housing menu that you could place
[112:25] just like now, but they were then books
[112:28] that you could click on and read that
[112:30] existed in game. I think there was like
[112:32] one about the world tree uh from
[112:34] Dragonflight that was there and you you
[112:36] place it and you could move it around.
[112:38] You could blow it up and shrink it down
[112:39] just like any other item and you could
[112:40] put it on bookcases just like you can,
[112:42] but then you could click on it and you'd
[112:44] read it just like if you found it out in
[112:45] the world and you click and read it. And
[112:47] in the interview that I had with the dev
[112:48] team,
[112:50] >> um it was with Jesse actually, I was
[112:53] like, "Is this a thing that is gonna
[112:55] happen? Does this mean that, you know,
[112:57] we'll be able to go around and collect
[112:58] these books from around the world where
[112:59] they all are anyway and then place
[113:01] them?" And he said, "Yes."
[113:02] >> Is that Did you say that to your face?
[113:04] >> It's he said on video he said that was
[113:07] going to be a thing.
[113:08] >> Um but it hasn't yet been a thing. So
[113:11] this would be a very cool thing. It
[113:12] would be cool if it does happen because
[113:14] you keep talking about it and I didn't
[113:15] go to Boston so I just have to trust
[113:17] you.
[113:18] >> You never watch any of our videos
[113:19] either. So how would you know?
[113:19] >> Exactly. How would I know? And so I'm
[113:21] like how you know is how keeps going on
[113:24] about this thing as if it was real.
[113:26] [laughter]
[113:28] >> So yeah I I hope I hope that's I hope
[113:30] that's the thing. I hope that's real. I
[113:32] would love that. That would absolutely
[113:33] rule. Fingers crossed. That is what it
[113:35] is about.
[113:37] There are there's a not insignificant
[113:40] amount of the player base that would
[113:41] literally
[113:42] >> spend a couple of days going around
[113:43] getting every book.
[113:44] >> Absolutely.
[113:45] >> In the game so that they could
[113:47] >> make a library and then would make a
[113:49] fun. Can you imagine if you went into a
[113:51] library and it wasn't just like the
[113:52] movable bookcase over and over again,
[113:54] but like literally filled with
[113:56] individual books that you could click
[113:57] on.
[113:57] >> Yeah,
[113:59] that would be amazing.
[114:00] >> It would be so good. Do you I I I've
[114:03] never known the answer to this. Are we
[114:04] allowed to like read the books out loud
[114:08] and say like make a video of, you know,
[114:11] me in theory reading all the steamy
[114:13] romance novels?
[114:14] >> Yes, it's been done. Yes, you can.
[114:15] >> Really?
[114:16] >> Yeah.
[114:16] >> I got to get on that.
[114:18] >> Yeah, get on it. Come on, man.
[114:19] >> I would love that. I would love to do
[114:20] that.
[114:21] >> Just me reading them. Yeah.
[114:23] >> Or maybe you maybe one for who?
[114:25] Whichever voice you would prefer reading
[114:27] your Stevie romance novels.
[114:29] >> Make it so.
[114:30] >> Okay, next project. Um, awesome. Next
[114:33] one. Uh, Zakaryi Cooper, lovely to see
[114:36] you late. I will catch tomorrow morning.
[114:38] We'll be going to bed soon from
[114:39] Australia. P.S. not enjoying Val
[114:42] compared to Nike. Looking forward to
[114:43] hero rating with my guild next season. I
[114:46] think that's a good attitude to have.
[114:47] Yeah. Don't like it. We we we roll. We
[114:51] keep going.
[114:52] >> We'll see you next season.
[114:53] >> We talk about the gaming improvements
[114:54] for heroic raiding next season, didn't
[114:56] we? Last week. Yeah.
[114:57] >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's
[114:59] going to be really promising. Um, thank
[115:01] you for that one, Zakaryi Cooper. Next
[115:03] one is super Chadster. Thank you. Hey
[115:05] legends, some funds to turn up the air.
[115:08] >> Thank you.
[115:09] >> Let me just position my fan.
[115:11] >> Six. Oh my god.
[115:14] Oh, thanks mate. Appreciate that.
[115:16] >> Thank you for that one.
[115:18] >> H. Next one is from Iarai. I have joined
[115:21] the team. Looking forward to being
[115:23] demoted to gray next month.
[115:26] You will like it. I promise. Question.
[115:29] Do you think we'll get any more Warbound
[115:31] screens soon? I want a Zulleamon screen.
[115:33] Zulon will be awesome. Yeah,
[115:36] >> I Yeah, there's like I don't think
[115:37] there's much, you know, sky's is the
[115:38] limit for warb band screens, right? Like
[115:40] I think they can come up with quite a
[115:42] few. It makes sense to make thematic
[115:44] that they the ones we have had so far
[115:46] are thematic. They in keeping with the
[115:47] patches. So, Zulaman would rock. I would
[115:51] like that. Please, let's have it.
[115:54] >> Okay, next one. Greyhawk. Thank you,
[115:56] Greyhawk. WoW has a broad player base,
[115:59] but it seems like some highle players
[116:01] can't accept when content is made for
[116:03] casuals, like housing and world content.
[116:06] >> Yeah.
[116:06] >> Yeah,
[116:07] >> completely agree.
[116:08] >> Yeah, you get a broad player base. You
[116:09] get people who play for loads of
[116:10] reasons. You get people who get upset
[116:11] about other people playing for other
[116:13] reasons. Unfortunately, it's all all
[116:15] part of the ecosystem.
[116:16] >> It still blows my mind when I see people
[116:17] like trying to make a discourse around
[116:19] housing being a flop or something.
[116:21] >> Yeah. Or like no one cares about
[116:25] resources. No contrast. I know.
[116:28] >> Holy [ __ ]
[116:28] >> I know. I feel like you know the people
[116:30] handing the accounts at Activision
[116:31] Blizzard are like this is not a waste of
[116:33] de resources. [laughter]
[116:34] >> Yeah, exactly. Like it's like like doing
[116:36] their duck diving into piles of gold
[116:40] scooping in the like real gold and being
[116:42] >> a waste of what? [laughter]
[116:43] >> A what? I can't hear you over the
[116:46] tinkling of gold.
[116:47] >> Um yeah, I agree, Greyhawk. Yeah, it's
[116:50] just the reality. Uh next one is from
[116:52] Omadon. Uh, please never abandon your
[116:55] solid anti-spoiler disciplines. Social
[116:58] media has none. The WoW cast has none.
[117:00] It's bleak out here for Wildcast. I
[117:02] [laughter] mean,
[117:02] >> Wow. just dropped like all this insane.
[117:06] >> Even if I wanted to be able to
[117:08] experience the story like
[117:10] chronologically and without spoilers, I
[117:12] could not.
[117:12] >> Problem solved by just putting the the
[117:14] story quests in the first week
[117:16] >> of of the patch like they should have
[117:17] done anyway.
[117:18] >> I know.
[117:19] >> Problem solved. You wouldn't have had
[117:21] long to do it, but you could you could
[117:22] at least say that it had been out before
[117:24] the spoiler, right?
[117:24] >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
[117:26] >> But it's still not out. The spoiler was
[117:27] two weeks ago.
[117:30] >> Yep. Um
[117:31] >> or a week ago.
[117:32] >> Yeah. Next one is from GC Sage. Hey
[117:35] guys, first time chatter. Hey, welcome.
[117:37] I never usually get to watch these live.
[117:39] Just wanted to show my support from
[117:41] Nebraska. Oh, and say I appreciate you
[117:44] guys. Oh, thank you. Gi GC Sage, we
[117:47] appreciate you too.
[117:48] >> We do. Thank you, mate. Do you know
[117:49] anything about Nebraska? Have you been
[117:50] there?
[117:51] >> No.
[117:51] >> Oh,
[117:52] >> no.
[117:52] >> Where is it? I'm hot with my American
[117:54] States.
[117:54] >> Midwest.
[117:56] >> Cool.
[117:56] >> Yeah.
[117:57] >> Yeah. Not cool. Probably very hot,
[117:58] right?
[117:59] >> Is it hot down there?
[118:00] >> Can be.
[118:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. I bet it is.
[118:02] >> Kind of middle middle of the road.
[118:04] >> Awesome.
[118:05] >> Yeah.
[118:05] >> Well, we'll put it on the list. Let's
[118:06] go.
[118:07] >> I'd love to go to Nebraska. Uh, next one
[118:09] is from Lentil Shine. Tally, I can't
[118:13] believe you made a your mom joke to
[118:14] Erator and now he's so sad she's dead.
[118:18] tragic.
[118:19] >> It's the power I wield. I can't help it.
[118:22] I can't help it. I I I spotted that Zul
[118:26] Jam was getting villain batted and that
[118:28] means I I'm happy with it and I made it
[118:30] happen.
[118:31] >> I Yeah, I made a narrator your mom joke
[118:33] and now she's now she's dead. That's the
[118:35] power.
[118:35] >> Yeah.
[118:36] >> I my my your mom jokes are so powerful.
[118:40] >> Anyone I make them to that it turns out
[118:42] their mom's dead. It's what
[118:44] statistically highly unlikely, but every
[118:46] time
[118:47] >> [laughter]
[118:48] >> madness. I It's my own fault. I need to
[118:51] with with my great power comes great
[118:53] responsibility.
[118:53] >> Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Next one
[118:56] is up from Buddy, also member of the
[118:58] team and friend. Uh lovely to see you,
[119:00] Buddy. Cheers, friends. Blizzcon is in
[119:02] 11 weeks.
[119:04] >> Can't wait to see y'all there. And the
[119:05] live weekly reset.
[119:07] >> Oh, get out.
[119:08] >> Yeah, I know. Feels early for a last
[119:10] Titan blowout might hinder moment
[119:12] Midnight's momentum. Still think they'll
[119:14] do it? I don't know. the closer we get
[119:16] to it, I'm still like
[119:18] >> still so deep in midnight. Like
[119:20] >> I'm so certain.
[119:20] >> You think so?
[119:21] >> Yeah, I I I agree that it's going to
[119:23] kind of be weird,
[119:25] >> but at least 2.1 will be out.
[119:27] >> Uh the whole Kithic thing will be quite
[119:29] wellnown by then.
[119:31] >> Um
[119:31] >> 12.2.
[119:33] >> Yeah. You know, I I 12.2. Yeah. I mean,
[119:37] I think they'll have to do what they did
[119:38] with kind of Shadowlands.
[119:40] >> Yeah. and be like, "Well,
[119:44] uh, I've got a feeling that whatever's
[119:49] whatever Zat's got planned and however
[119:51] it all ends, it's going to work out that
[119:53] we're all okay."
[119:55] >> Mhm.
[119:55] >> Sort of. And anyway, let's see what
[119:58] happens next,
[120:00] >> I guess. Yeah. you know, um I think
[120:03] >> I think we, you know, we're so used to
[120:06] the next thing being announced now while
[120:08] we're still playing the old thing that
[120:10] it, you know, it feels uh feels like
[120:12] they could do it. Feel like it's in
[120:14] keeping with the the process now.
[120:16] >> Um yeah. Uh next one. I sell cabbages.
[120:19] Lovely green cadgar head. Lovely to see
[120:21] you. Morning, Tiny. I haven't jumped
[120:23] into WoW in like two weeks. This is very
[120:25] healthy attitude. I'm just waiting for
[120:27] the new quest line to start. Any other
[120:28] games you guys have been playing? No,
[120:31] but uh I keep getting like recommended
[120:36] uh stuff on Instagram and other
[120:37] platforms. Um like hints, subliminal
[120:42] hints that I need to play Plscape
[120:43] Torment.
[120:45] >> Like I have been I have been told to
[120:47] play Plscape Torment, okay, by multiple
[120:49] people. I have been like been pushed
[120:52] hints to do it uh on like my socials and
[120:56] just being online. It just looks so up
[120:59] my alley. And I I saw actually um I saw
[121:03] a a a real a clip or whatever a thing on
[121:07] Instagram that was like uh video games
[121:09] with like the most words written in
[121:12] them.
[121:13] And number one was uh King Jun come
[121:17] Deliverance 2.
[121:18] >> Oh wow. Okay. I believe it for all the
[121:21] potential working you know story lines.
[121:24] Uh, number two was Boulders's Gate 3.
[121:28] Unsurprising. Number three was
[121:30] Discoysium.
[121:31] >> No way. Yeah,
[121:32] >> that really surprises me.
[121:33] >> Yeah. Uh, it does not surprise me in the
[121:35] slightest. Number four was Plscape
[121:37] Torment. And I was like, I like all this
[121:42] words. I know like more words does not
[121:44] necessarily equal better, but I'm like I
[121:46] am really really into this idea.
[121:49] >> Yeah.
[121:49] >> Um, yeah. I think maybe five of like G
[121:51] GTA or something, but I need to um
[121:55] >> I mean GTA is huge, but I mean 10 years
[121:57] old now, right?
[121:58] >> Oh, no. Witcher was five. The Witcher 3
[121:59] was five. Yeah, The Witcher 3 was five.
[122:02] Um so yeah, uh I got to get on that.
[122:05] >> Cool.
[122:05] >> Have you been playing anything?
[122:07] >> No, actually I I still need to pop
[122:08] through my playthrough of uh Discoysium.
[122:11] It's just been like it's been a tough
[122:13] couple of weeks.
[122:14] >> It's been a hectic couple of weeks.
[122:16] >> Yeah. Wow. She's keeping us on our
[122:17] >> to our I didn't even played FIFA this
[122:18] year either in a World Cup yet. I didn't
[122:21] even get FIFA this year. Yeah, I know.
[122:23] Crazy. I I usually love a little FIFA. I
[122:26] think FIFA playing on manager mode is
[122:28] one of the best RPG games you get. I
[122:31] think it's one of the best RPGs.
[122:33] >> It's brilliant. You get your players,
[122:34] you invest in them, they create like
[122:36] it's an RPG in the same way that like
[122:38] XCOM is an RPG, right? You know, the
[122:40] little stories just happen, you know? um
[122:43] uh and and the relationships kind of
[122:45] form by in your mind between like the
[122:48] characters and like the hoops and stuff
[122:50] and what happens to them in the various
[122:52] missions and it's it's just like that
[122:54] like FIFA is just like that you know and
[122:56] the stories that kind of get written
[122:58] around uh the interactions and your team
[123:01] and stuff. It's great. I I it's a
[123:03] fantastic RPG FIFA and I will die on
[123:04] that hill.
[123:05] >> Yeah, [laughter] I'm really happy for
[123:07] you.
[123:08] >> Yes, thank you.
[123:09] >> Um okay, we got a few more to get
[123:10] through. Uh next one is from Joe you
[123:12] love. Lovely to see you, Joe. When will
[123:14] we fix the warband screen bug where my
[123:15] alts are in the wrong colors? They
[123:17] continue during my day. A
[123:18] >> every time.
[123:20] >> Yeah.
[123:20] >> Like every time I I go into my login
[123:24] screen and my main mangi, beautiful,
[123:26] perfect maneuver, who is dressed usually
[123:29] in like a long leather jacket and just
[123:31] very demur, very low fantasy. Half the
[123:34] time when I go onto the screen, she's
[123:35] there in like a chain mail bikini, high
[123:38] boots, and I'm like, "Stop it.
[123:39] >> Oh, how dare you? That was my
[123:41] experimentation tab.
[123:42] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[123:44] [clears throat]
[123:46] >> Yeah, it's a thing. Hopefully they fix
[123:48] it soon.
[123:48] >> Yeah,
[123:49] >> they're working on it.
[123:49] >> Yeah.
[123:50] >> Uh, next one is from Spirit Walk. Wow.
[123:52] Thank you. Uh, loved uh the tier set
[123:55] video. A thanks. What are your favorite
[123:57] tier sets overall for Hunter and Priest
[123:58] after all this time? Oh,
[124:01] tough one because I usually don't love
[124:03] Hunter tier sets. [laughter]
[124:06] They're usually they they usually don't
[124:07] do it for me. It's usually like
[124:09] literally leveling sets that I love and
[124:10] I go for.
[124:11] >> You like the the Legion one, don't you?
[124:13] The classic Legion.
[124:14] >> The Legion one is really really good.
[124:16] For some reason, I love wearing that one
[124:18] with like a pair of little like gold
[124:19] rimmed glasses just to like tone down
[124:22] the the hunteriness. But yeah, I love
[124:24] the Legion sets. I think they look
[124:25] really beautiful. Obviously, they look
[124:27] really good with the Legion artifacts as
[124:29] well, like the you know, the same
[124:30] colorways. Oh, yeah. Yeah, true.
[124:32] >> Legion sets roll. Yeah, I'll have to go
[124:33] with the Legion Hunter ones. What about
[124:35] you?
[124:36] >> I I really like the Legion presets as
[124:37] well. Yeah,
[124:38] >> I think they're really good. Um, I like
[124:42] uh it's one of my favorites actually.
[124:45] >> Definitely the Legion one. Um, Priest
[124:47] has been eating so well in the last
[124:49] couple of expansions. Like great. I'm
[124:52] always so jealous. Not a huge fan of the
[124:54] one this season.
[124:55] >> Yeah.
[124:55] >> Or indeed last season at the end of War
[124:57] Within, but the the two before that in
[124:59] War Within were absolute bangers. Uh
[125:02] that classic one from uh Dragon Flight
[125:05] with the the kind of the mask, you know,
[125:08] the scary mask and the like
[125:10] >> very good
[125:11] >> long jackety bits like
[125:13] >> very good.
[125:13] >> [ __ ] great. Any like
[125:17] >> long jacket looking thing is [ __ ]
[125:19] cool, man. Love that. So good.
[125:22] >> Yeah. So, uh I I would say I would say
[125:24] in modern times they're among my
[125:26] favorite tier sets for priests. Yeah.
[125:27] They've been doing really really well.
[125:28] >> Yeah. Uh, and another one from Spirit
[125:31] Walk. Wow. Also, Make It Monkey had me
[125:33] dying laughing. Thank you. Made me laugh
[125:36] too as I said it out. [laughter]
[125:39] Thank you for that one. Uh, next one is
[125:40] from uh, Senior Sonatada. Do you think
[125:43] there will be a bed pet bed feature for
[125:47] alt placement in housing? That's cash
[125:49] shop gold right there. It is. Have you
[125:51] seen
[125:52] >> They can't get away with putting that on
[125:53] the cash.
[125:53] >> No, they can't. Did you see Have you
[125:55] seen the forms that your pet bed can
[125:57] take?
[125:57] >> Yes.
[125:58] >> Have you seen them? Lily pads.
[125:59] >> Lily pad. Cute little stone thing. Cuz
[126:02] yeah, my worry was like, I don't want 10
[126:04] [ __ ] pet beds taken up my house.
[126:07] Like, I'm sorry. I want my pets out, but
[126:09] I want their, you know, beds to either
[126:12] be very intentional or very hidden away
[126:13] and subtle. And yeah, you have a huge
[126:16] range. And I, you know, I have a feeling
[126:18] for alt placement, like we've talked
[126:20] about before, that might be the way your
[126:22] your alt bed, maybe your alt chair.
[126:25] >> I'm not even joking. Yeah, like your alt
[126:27] pedestal, your alt platform that they
[126:29] like stand on.
[126:30] >> Obviously, there are complications with
[126:32] alts that aren't in place for pets. Like
[126:34] a pet always looks the same.
[126:36] >> And what do you do about transmog? What
[126:38] do you do about like um Well, I mean,
[126:40] you could you can set a transmog for the
[126:42] warb band screen.
[126:43] >> You know, it's an option there whether
[126:44] or not it [ __ ] works. Um but it's
[126:46] there. Could you have in your transmog
[126:49] tab like a situation, you know,
[126:52] controlled in your house, right? like
[126:55] when in there already is an option for
[126:57] in your house. I mean that would be that
[126:59] right. So actually yeah that's not such
[127:02] an issue in that case but I'm sure like
[127:04] it's more complicated codewise to drag
[127:06] your [ __ ] alts into your house and
[127:08] have them walking around their pet. I'm
[127:09] sure.
[127:10] >> Um but
[127:11] >> I think you know that's the next step
[127:14] certainly and we know it's something
[127:15] they do what they said before that they
[127:17] want it to happen and getting pets is is
[127:19] the first step of that. So although I
[127:22] could never put a timeline on it, you've
[127:24] got to say that's a a guarantee, right?
[127:26] You've got to say that's like
[127:28] >> definitely going to happen. Hopefully
[127:30] this expansion,
[127:32] >> you know, I would hope
[127:34] >> that would be a a 12.2
[127:37] >> feature at the latest, honestly.
[127:39] >> You know, I just want it to happen. It's
[127:40] really important for what I want from
[127:42] housing. Like, and that would be that
[127:43] and the books. Oh my god, that's my two
[127:46] biggest things about housing, aren't But
[127:48] then how are [clears throat] they going
[127:49] to keep you playing Tally if they give
[127:50] you everything you want right away?
[127:52] >> Uh because they give me everything I
[127:53] want in housing and they literally keep
[127:55] me playing forever. [laughter]
[127:57] >> Like it's as simple as that.
[127:58] >> Mhm.
[127:59] >> You know.
[127:59] >> Yeah.
[128:00] >> Um yeah. Yeah. I'm not waiting for that
[128:02] stuff to happen. I need it to be there
[128:03] and then I'm more likely to play
[128:05] forever. Like simple as that. But yeah,
[128:08] I want I want it cuz I want wandering
[128:10] around my house when I'm in there. But I
[128:12] also want
[128:13] >> other people's characters walking around
[128:15] when I go and visit their houses as
[128:17] well. Also, just think of like the
[128:18] staging opportunities, right? Like, you
[128:20] know, you can create your whole, you
[128:22] know,
[128:24] >> I'm really sorry, but like, you know,
[128:26] you can make a brothel and you can put
[128:28] all your all your alts and skimpy gear
[128:30] and then I'll be there. Or, you know,
[128:32] >> that was your first
[128:33] >> No, because I I just thought I just
[128:35] tried to become like a a WoW player for
[128:38] a moment. I tried to get into the head
[128:39] of like a WoW player
[128:41] >> cuz I'm not one. No, no, no. Okay. A
[128:45] party, but I mean like, you know, cuz
[128:47] Exactly. But, you know, you can have a
[128:49] party. You can have a party situation,
[128:51] but I'm thinking more of like, you know,
[128:52] you can come up with like very specific
[128:54] scenarios in which you need a you're you
[128:57] need an army of alts walking around.
[128:59] >> But then, but then there's the extra
[129:01] thing, right, where, you know, if I do
[129:03] have a chair or a bed for an alt, let's
[129:06] say I I've got one for my orc alt,
[129:09] right?
[129:09] >> And that means he's wandering around
[129:11] like a pet would be. Well, I don't I
[129:13] don't want him wandering around if I'm
[129:15] in the house on that character.
[129:17] >> Yeah.
[129:17] >> You know, I if I if I go into the house
[129:19] on an on that character, I don't I
[129:21] obviously don't want him wandering
[129:22] around there anymore. So, that's an
[129:24] extra trigger that has to be there.
[129:25] >> Yeah.
[129:26] >> It's just way more complicated. Of
[129:27] course, it is, right? But, you know, is
[129:29] [clears throat] what it is.
[129:31] >> But, we have had confirmation that you
[129:32] can have up to 10 pets wandering around
[129:34] your house. Jesse himself said that. So,
[129:36] um that's pretty awesome.
[129:37] >> Yeah. Really, really good. Uh okay. Uh,
[129:41] next one is from JJ Smithy. Thank you.
[129:44] Hello, lovelies. At the end of the lower
[129:45] lore walking stuff, they talk about how
[129:46] the dark sphere haven't had a hashura
[129:49] yet. Foreshadowing.
[129:51] >> Yeah. And they're like, "We haven't had
[129:53] a hashura yet, and I just wish that when
[129:56] we did have one, he'd have a broken
[129:59] tooth."
[130:00] >> They didn't say that.
[130:02] >> Yeah.
[130:03] >> You see what I'm getting at?
[130:04] >> I get what you're saying. Yes.
[130:05] [laughter]
[130:06] >> Yes. They have left that door open
[130:09] >> for sure.
[130:10] >> The role will be filled. Yeah. Yeah. I
[130:13] mean, uh, they've been setting Vuljin up
[130:15] that for a while, I think, haven't they?
[130:17] Um, so, uh, yeah, I I can definitely see
[130:19] it happening.
[130:19] >> Yeah, it would be cool.
[130:20] >> Yes.
[130:21] >> Uh, next one's from
[130:22] >> that would involve putting having Vulg
[130:24] in the [ __ ] story, though. So,
[130:25] >> Oh, well, I know. I know. They'll
[130:26] actually have to use him in the story
[130:28] properly. Next one is from Omadon. Uh,
[130:30] thank you so much, friend. Lovely to see
[130:32] you. Are we in agreement that The Last
[130:33] Titan's big evergreen game update has to
[130:36] be a gamewide racial customization
[130:39] overhaul? It's got to be, right?
[130:43] >> Yes. Uh no. Um
[130:45] >> Um Well,
[130:47] >> so the thing here's here's how I feel
[130:50] about the uh the racial customization uh
[130:55] overall. Oh, uh I just don't I just
[130:57] don't think it's their priority at all.
[131:00] >> I just don't
[131:02] Uh, customization. Sorry. Okay. No,
[131:04] sorry. That's what I thought you meant
[131:05] and I thought you meant something else.
[131:06] Now I realize that's what you mean
[131:07] again. Sorry. It's really hot. So,
[131:08] here's how I feel about the racial
[131:09] customization thing.
[131:11] >> It's not an expansion feature. And I
[131:14] don't think you should want it to be an
[131:15] expansion feature either because we've
[131:18] had a racial customization overhaul as
[131:21] an expansion feature before in
[131:23] Shadowlands and it it didn't there's
[131:26] loads of great stuff about it which I
[131:27] really liked but the problem is they
[131:29] stopped at that. Okay. So what I want to
[131:32] see from uh a racial um customization
[131:37] feature is not this is this is an
[131:39] expansion feature. I need it to be a
[131:42] commitment
[131:44] to
[131:45] a steady roll out of uh customizations
[131:51] forever.
[131:52] >> You know, I need it to be I don't I
[131:54] don't want them to the extent where I
[131:56] actually don't want them to stand up
[131:58] >> uh for Last Titan and go and one of the
[132:00] box features, one of the major features
[132:02] of this expansion is we're doing,
[132:04] >> you know, customization overhaul. I
[132:06] don't want that because there won't be
[132:07] enough and there'll be ones that you
[132:10] want that aren't there and blah blah
[132:11] just like with Shadowlands, right?
[132:13] >> Um and what I want is for them to stand
[132:15] up and go
[132:16] >> and you know we are committing to
[132:21] rolling out these and constantly working
[132:23] on them and it being an evergreen thing
[132:25] that we're always adding to forever like
[132:28] um so in a way I don't want it to be a
[132:30] war within feature. I want it to be
[132:32] something that they put out a blue about
[132:34] one day and be like, "Here's something
[132:36] important."
[132:37] >> Yeah.
[132:37] >> Uh we're committing to this.
[132:38] >> They can announce it at BlizzCon, but
[132:40] not as a feature being.
[132:41] >> And you'll see the first bunch of them
[132:43] with release and obviously they're going
[132:44] to be focused around major patches and
[132:46] stuff like that. So like yes, you'll see
[132:48] the first roll out of these on the
[132:50] launch of uh War Within, but it's not
[132:53] >> it's not a War Within feature. It's just
[132:55] Sorry, Last Titan. It's not a Last Titan
[132:57] feature. It's just something that we're
[132:59] beginning in Last Titan. This is just
[133:00] the beginning.
[133:01] >> Yeah.
[133:02] >> That's what I That's what I want to see.
[133:05] It It makes me a bit nervous when people
[133:06] start talking about it as an expansion.
[133:08] Not Not what you were doing, but I see
[133:10] people talking about it as an expansion
[133:11] feature and I'm like, "No, actually
[133:13] that's that's we kind of want it to be
[133:15] much more than that." Yeah, definitely.
[133:18] >> Uh
[133:18] >> which is what are kind of doing with
[133:20] stuff at the moment anyway. So, I can
[133:21] see that way. Yeah, I'm with you.
[133:23] >> A commitment like housing. Exactly.
[133:24] Yeah.
[133:25] >> Uh next one is from Jay Baronovski.
[133:27] Thank you so much for the super chat.
[133:29] What challenges have you had to overcome
[133:31] when it comes to running a business with
[133:33] a partner? If you're in the middle of an
[133:35] argument but contractually obligated to
[133:38] produce a video together, I imagine
[133:39] that's difficult.
[133:40] >> I think the main difficulty, I'm sure
[133:42] Everel will agree with me here, is being
[133:44] in a house together all day. All you
[133:46] want to do is plow.
[133:47] >> Like, it's so tough. Like, and with me
[133:50] being so sexy and with Everel being so
[133:52] attracted to me, she's just like, "Let's
[133:55] skip the podcast today and just do it,
[133:58] daddy." And I'm like, "Well, we got to
[134:00] do the podcast, though, guys." And and
[134:03] she's like, "It doesn't matter. You'll
[134:04] just look a bit sweaty when we start.
[134:06] Let's just like let's just [ __ ] it all
[134:08] off, right?" And I'm like,
[134:08] >> "Yeah, Tally's always turning me down
[134:10] for work."
[134:11] >> Ever tell, please be professional. All
[134:14] right. We just can't keep doing this. We
[134:17] got to get some videos done. All right.
[134:19] You know, um, so that I would say that's
[134:22] probably the hardest part. What about
[134:23] you?
[134:23] >> Yeah. Yeah. That was what I was going to
[134:25] [laughter] say. It's just a constant
[134:26] rejection. They're like, "No, babe. No,
[134:29] babe. I got to make a thumbnail.
[134:32] >> Babe, can you get out from under there
[134:33] because I got to I got to go go and find
[134:37] Chronicle to check a reference."
[134:39] >> No, but we are we are lucky that we like
[134:41] each other and we like working together
[134:43] and we like making stuff together. I
[134:44] know that's a very specific combination
[134:48] of of of traits. I think we've talked
[134:51] about this on a couple of podcasts
[134:52] before, other people's podcasts, but
[134:55] >> like one thing about being a parent that
[134:56] I've noticed is you meet a lot of other
[134:58] parents obviously uh at school and stuff
[135:02] like that. And one of the things that
[135:03] kind of
[135:04] >> I've never known so many married people
[135:06] before as a result, right?
[135:07] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. like our entire social
[135:09] circle is like couples like an in person
[135:11] dayto-day social circle daytoday kids
[135:14] oriented social circle
[135:15] >> but you know I don't it just from the
[135:19] outside and the way people talk about
[135:20] their partners a lot just doesn't seem
[135:22] like other people like each other as
[135:24] much as we seem to
[135:26] >> well other people have different
[135:27] dynamics like other people want
[135:29] different things from their partners you
[135:31] know other people are different with
[135:33] their partners in public maybe they're
[135:34] different you know like it's a
[135:36] >> November Everyone's different.
[135:38] >> I can't imagine anything better than
[135:40] working with you and spending time with
[135:42] you and like it's brilliant.
[135:43] >> Yeah. My my my favorite thing is like
[135:45] sometimes chatting with like some of the
[135:47] parents, like some of the moms, you
[135:48] know, like at the school and being like,
[135:50] "Oh,
[135:51] >> yeah." It's like, "Oh." And he's like,
[135:52] "Are you working today?" It's like,
[135:53] "Yeah, yeah, yeah." It's like, "Oh, you
[135:54] you guys working today?" It's like,
[135:55] "Yeah, yeah." It's like, "Oh, you know,
[135:57] you you and Tally just see we see you
[136:00] guys out and about together. You seem to
[136:01] get along." It's like, "Yeah, yeah, I I
[136:05] hope so. [laughter]
[136:06] I I I should It's just funny to me that
[136:10] they need it as a compliment. They're
[136:11] not like, but it does strike me as well.
[136:13] Yeah, she's my wife. I do like her.
[136:15] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,
[136:17] >> but obviously there are there are
[136:18] chances and yeah, there were some times
[136:19] when we had a row and then you have to
[136:21] just like knuckle down and make some
[136:22] content. It's like, you know, our rows
[136:25] are never that serious really. Well, we
[136:28] have some rows. We just
[136:29] >> I think we dis we disagree about things
[136:31] because we're people.
[136:33] >> Yeah. And sometimes, you know, I haven't
[136:35] done the washing up or whatever, and
[136:36] that's annoying, too. And but like I I I
[136:39] think it's a great blessing and
[136:40] privilege to be able to work with uh
[136:42] with my wife and and we get paid exactly
[136:45] the same as well. That's actually kind
[136:46] of a cool thing. I kind of like that.
[136:48] >> A great equalizer.
[136:49] >> Yeah, it is a great equalizer. And um
[136:51] you know, it's it's it's nice that we
[136:53] get to go away on work trips together
[136:56] and you know, they are work trips, but
[136:57] we get little holidays [laughter] for us
[136:58] as well time. And feel very lucky to do
[137:01] that. [clears throat] Yeah, it's
[137:02] genuinely it's genuinely really lovely
[137:04] to do and um I feel very lucky. I would
[137:07] re you know it's not for everyone
[137:08] obviously but um it is for one thing
[137:11] that we found very hard at the very
[137:12] beginning because we've got much more of
[137:14] a work dynamic now because we've been
[137:15] working together for 10 years right but
[137:18] um in the beginning when we first
[137:19] started we we reset and stuff it was
[137:21] quite hard because you know I come from
[137:23] a performance background all my family
[137:25] are actors uh directors that kind of
[137:28] thing um so I'm I'm I'm used to clicking
[137:31] into work mode with them because I've
[137:33] worked with them before uh with with
[137:35] stuff and and just being in work mode
[137:36] suddenly. So, it's like you're in
[137:37] directing mode now. You're telling
[137:39] someone and as an actor, I like to be
[137:41] directed um and stuff like that. So,
[137:43] when we first started doing the weekly
[137:44] reset, I think it was quite shocking to
[137:46] ever tell when I suddenly clicked into
[137:48] director mode and I was like, "Oh, no,
[137:49] no, no." Uh
[137:51] >> like, "No, no, no." And like I remember
[137:52] being like one, "How dare you criticize
[137:55] me to my how dare you?" I'm usually very
[137:58] good at taking criticism, but um
[138:00] >> how dare you. But then also like I
[138:02] remember, you know, the the like, you
[138:05] know, the the tears kicking in and being
[138:07] like uh I'm not perfect in your eyes.
[138:11] I'm not I didn't just say how how can
[138:14] you say that to me, you know? And like I
[138:16] remember feel like you know I and you
[138:19] know I I think I um
[138:20] >> but also I wasn't aware of it and I was
[138:22] being much harsher you than I should
[138:23] have done because I was just in I was
[138:25] just in that mode, right? And that's how
[138:27] I that's how it's always been for me.
[138:30] I know and uh you know cuz you don't you
[138:32] don't typically you know in a in a
[138:34] relationship you know you wouldn't
[138:36] necessarily be like
[138:38] >> why did you do that that's you did that
[138:39] incorrectly you know whatever but um
[138:42] >> well especially in those you write a lot
[138:43] of your own material now for the channel
[138:45] >> but in those days I was writing a lot of
[138:47] it so uh you know I was like no no no
[138:50] that's not how you deliver that joke the
[138:52] emphasis has to be on this word it's
[138:53] like really important like that's the
[138:55] joke and stuff and that I mean that's
[138:57] going to drive you crazy if it's not
[138:58] something you're used to. Yeah,
[138:59] absolutely.
[139:00] >> Um,
[139:00] >> but yeah, in short, it's a it's been
[139:03] it's a really fun process. I think the
[139:04] secret ingredient is if you actually
[139:06] like your partner in in life and work,
[139:09] it's a [laughter]
[139:11] it helps.
[139:12] >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
[139:14] >> It's a it's a it works.
[139:15] >> Yeah. But but having said that, I if you
[139:18] don't have that that dynamic with your
[139:20] partner, that's not a problem. That's
[139:21] not a fault in your relationship and
[139:23] stuff. It's just like different
[139:24] relationships have different dynamics.
[139:25] >> It's happen to roll this Well, I'm just
[139:27] a 100% wife guy as everyone knows. So,
[139:29] like
[139:30] >> I'm always just going to be happy to be
[139:31] allowed in the same room as Everel.
[139:33] >> Yeah.
[139:34] >> Under any circumstances basically. I'm
[139:36] always just going to be like [laughter]
[139:38] >> she's letting me near her. This is
[139:40] amazing.
[139:43] >> Ah, we've got two more left. This has
[139:45] been a long podcast. Um, Melithian,
[139:47] thank you so much for the super chat.
[139:48] Can't recommend Plscape enough. Played
[139:52] for the first time last October. You'll
[139:54] easily clock out where Disco Lizium took
[139:56] heavy inspiration from, but al also the
[139:58] connections to the D&D universe. This is
[140:00] like this. Yeah, it sounds perfect. Me
[140:02] very emotional and powerful game. Thank
[140:03] you, Melith. I like cannot wait to get
[140:06] into it.
[140:07] >> Sounds great. I want to give it a go,
[140:08] too.
[140:08] >> Like I I kind of want to put it on the
[140:10] Steam Deck and just like do it in dead,
[140:12] you know, like or you know, you know
[140:14] what I mean? And and just like put my
[140:16] head.
[140:17] >> You really love doing that with
[140:18] Discoysium in the end, did you? That was
[140:19] your plan for that game.
[140:20] >> I wanted a full cinematic experience
[140:22] Discoysium. That was like I had to be
[140:24] like sitting in front of the the screen,
[140:26] you know, on edge. That was brilliant.
[140:27] Um, and then finally,
[140:29] >> the last one, Senior Sonata. Honestly,
[140:32] I'd really like an emote expansion.
[140:34] >> Oh, like an expansion.
[140:37] >> Honestly, me too. And particularly
[140:39] particularly with uh the housing stuff
[140:41] and and what have you now. And like uh
[140:43] you know, you got the lean emote
[140:44] recently, which drives me wild. I love
[140:46] that. All the cool RP stuff in the
[140:48] Arcantina with like things you can pick
[140:50] up and just carry around. And my
[140:51] favorite thing is going to every time I
[140:53] go and see Arcantine now, I come out
[140:55] holding like a very elaborate drink
[140:57] which I'm then like fighting with for a
[140:59] while and it's awesome. It's just great.
[141:00] It's it's just really good.
[141:01] >> Martini, I love that.
[141:02] >> Yeah, I love that stuff.
[141:03] >> Um yeah, uh Fortnite has shown just how
[141:05] out of date the WoW emoting is. Yeah,
[141:07] WoW emoting is is like kind of
[141:09] pleasingly old school sometimes and
[141:11] otherwise just completely janky. So, I
[141:12] agree. Yeah, I love that.
[141:13] >> I agree. Revamp it. The emote expansion
[141:17] is coming.
[141:18] No, genuinely it just seems like a
[141:19] no-brainer. Honestly, at this stage, I
[141:21] agree in the same where WoW is going.
[141:23] >> In the same way that character
[141:24] customization is coming out a few years
[141:25] ago, like revamped be like, "Oh, yeah,
[141:28] people can have dark skin."
[141:30] >> And I was like, "Yeah, it's a
[141:32] no-brainer."
[141:33] >> Well, not all of the internet agrees
[141:35] with you there, Evie.
[141:36] >> Too bad. [laughter]
[141:37] >> I don't agree with her.
[141:38] >> Can we Can we have a um like killing the
[141:41] key to go and care for your child emote?
[141:45] It's just the flaming baby from the
[141:47] [laughter] Sims.
[141:49] It's just the baby on fire while while
[141:51] you're like typing at the PC. That's
[141:53] what that is. That's the
[141:55] >> emote. Yeah. Brilliant. [laughter] Um
[141:57] guys, thank you for all those super
[141:58] chats. Thank you to everyone who's
[142:00] chatted during this episode. Thank you
[142:01] to um everyone who's watching the live
[142:03] recording on YouTube, but also on
[142:05] Twitch. We see you. We got you all in
[142:07] the same chat here. It's fantastic. Um,
[142:09] so although we don't like comment on the
[142:11] the subs and stuff that happening on
[142:13] Twitch as well because you know, you
[142:14] know, we love you and you're incredible.
[142:16] Thank you so much. Um, thank you to
[142:18] everyone who's listening on your
[142:19] preferred podcast listening platforms.
[142:21] Um, and uh, yeah, don't don't be mad if
[142:25] someone has to go and help their child
[142:27] and don't report them for child abuse.
[142:31] >> Maybe that bit in particular.
[142:32] >> Um, that's that's a dick move. Don't do
[142:35] it. Enjoy Val.
[142:37] >> Have fun. really until you enjoy that.
[142:40] Um, and we will see you
[142:43] >> in the next episode of this podcast and
[142:46] indeed anything else on the channel as
[142:48] well. Thank you guys. Uh, like I say,
[142:49] was meant to have a video out tomorrow,
[142:52] but writing has been hard. It's been
[142:54] really hot. Sorry. Uh, and with the kids
[142:57] off today and stuff as well, but it's
[142:58] it's going to be fun. Maybe I'll just
[142:59] incorporate into the weekly reset. Who
[143:00] knows? But either way, two videos coming
[143:02] out very soon. Um, thank you to everyone
[143:04] who watched the uh tier set ranking
[143:06] video and we will see you next time from
[143:09] me Talen
[143:10] >> and me Everel.
[143:11] >> Cheerio
[143:20] today and stuff as well. But it's it's
[143:22] going to be fun. [music] Maybe I'll just
[143:23] incorporate into the weekly set. Who
[143:24] knows? But either way, two videos coming
[143:26] out very soon. Um, thank you to everyone
[143:28] who watched the uh tier set ranking
[143:30] video and we will see you next