--- title: 'How Becky and Chris Built a YouTube Channel Without a Niche' source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=_nCrGZjquzk' video_id: '_nCrGZjquzk' date: 2026-07-14 duration_sec: 0 --- # How Becky and Chris Built a YouTube Channel Without a Niche > Source: [How Becky and Chris Built a YouTube Channel Without a Niche](https://youtube.com/watch?v=_nCrGZjquzk) ## Summary In this live stream, YouTuber Ali Abdaal interviews Becky and Chris, creators of the channel 'Becky and Chris', about their approach to content creation, niche selection, and maintaining authenticity. They discuss their journey from making travel videos to home renovation and helicopter content, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the process over chasing numbers. ### Key Points - **Introduction and Setup** [00:00] — Ali Abdaal starts the live stream with Becky and Chris, who are known for their interior design and travel content. They discuss the technical setup and the excitement of going live. - **Finding Your Aesthetic** [02:00] — Becky explains that finding inspiration on Pinterest and creating mood boards helps define a visual style. She emphasizes analyzing what you like in reference images and building your own look. - **Niche vs. Pillars** [05:00] — Chris and Becky describe their content pillars: travel, photography, interior design, and helicopters. They avoid a single niche, instead blending interests to keep content authentic and varied. - **Numbers and Mental Health** [10:00] — They discuss the pressure of numbers and how they try not to let views affect their happiness. Chris suggests focusing on whether you had fun and are proud of the work, rather than the metrics. - **Outsourcing Editing** [15:00] — Becky explains that editing is her favorite part of the process and she wouldn't outsource it because it's where the story comes together. Chris adds that editing is part of their 'secret sauce'. - **Guilty Pleasure Channels** [20:00] — They mention watching channels like Cody and Victoria, Hunting for George, and Trent Palmer for inspiration, noting that good color grading and storytelling attract them. - **Advice for Beginners** [25:00] — Becky advises beginners to try different content types to find what they enjoy, using the analogy of 'throwing spaghetti at the wall' to see what sticks. - **Color Grading and LUTs** [30:00] — They discuss using LUTs as a starting point but recommend developing your own look by understanding what the LUT does. Chris notes that for photo/video niches, custom color grading is important. - **Finding Your Groove** [35:00] — Becky shares that committing to weekly videos for four months helped her become more efficient in editing. She emphasizes consistency and learning from each video. - **Work-Life Balance** [40:00] — Chris, a full-time doctor, and Becky, a full-time YouTuber, set boundaries by not working after dinner. They integrate filming into fun weekend activities to avoid burnout. - **Imposter Syndrome and Authenticity** [45:00] — They talk about feeling like imposters and the importance of being honest about their limitations. Chris uses a 'cocktail party' test for what to share online. - **Final Advice** [50:00] — They encourage beginners to be themselves, avoid comparison, and remember that success takes time. Chris notes that the algorithm doesn't show the many people at the same stage. ### Conclusion Becky and Chris emphasize that authenticity, enjoying the creative process, and not obsessing over numbers are key to a sustainable YouTube career. They encourage creators to trust their internal compass and be patient with their growth. ## Transcript okay wait i i think i think we are going live potentially do you do you get this message thank god i just informed yeah had informed consent just that nice fantastic yes yeah it's working it's working it's working are we live oh my god we're live okay there's a big ass zoom logo don't say anything offensive yeah all right that's behavior hey guys how are we doing um all right can you can you hear us on the stream can you post on the youtube chat if you can hear us and should we let our people in yeah let's let everyone in oh this is exciting i'm not one of these ages i'm excited i'm nervous i never do live look at all our friends coming in yeah wow okay great oh okay interesting so the thing that's being broadcast live on youtube oh no we're back we're on split view now so that's fine that works great i'm just gonna i'm just gonna like stop stop talking and i hope that things will work and i now see the chat sick all right i guess we can we can just get started this is cool um hey everyone everyone who is joining the zoom call from our youtuber academy community and everyone who's joining live on youtube welcome to the party we're here with becky and chris becky and chris are youtubers that i've been obsessed with ever since like i don't know three years ago when your peter mckinnon collab was and i was like whoa who are these guys and oh my god their channel is incredible and actually we're probably like on this on this youtube course we've referenced you more often than anyone else in terms of just like set design and interior design no way like genuinely we we like literally like screen share and use examples from your channel about this is how you make it set up like absolutely sick and i don't know how they do it but it's just freaking incredible um so thank you for the ongoing inspiration the secret is that we're cheap and we've developed our look around one light and paint everything black yeah and that's basically and it's turned into a look right yeah no it's pretty good so i've i've i've actually just just moved into the studio space and i was lamenting my lack of interior design skills because i really i literally have no idea what looks good other than house plant times three lamp and maybe a neon sign that we haven't got yet like any how how how do you go about like making something look good like what is what is that process broadly look like i know you've got a few videos on this that we can we can link as well step one find a wife who's into interior design step two profit um i feel like finding the inspiration shot is like the key thing so like figuring out a like what is the vibe that you want to go for and the mood and then going through pinterest and finding tons of photos of things that you like and then then analyzing those pictures and seeing what about those things is it that you like so is it walls is it the neutral color scheme is it the textures is it the lighting and then just trying to pull inspiration from all those images and kind of build your own thing but i spent a lot of time doing like mood boards and mock-ups of like pulling different furniture pieces and kind of figuring out what what it's all going to look like together yeah you make like mood boards yeah and just whether that be i mean you being a graphic designer as your sort of main training you can create them on your own but i mean you can use like pinterest and stuff just to kind of like you know pin stuff you like and then you'll see an overall sort of theme on what it's like oh i really vibe with this sort of dark and moody or i like this sort of light and airy or whatever and then i guess just steel [Laughter] it's just like everything's combinations and permutations of other people's stuff and if you mash it up enough it'll be original yeah yeah i guess it's yeah it kind of feels weird to me because to me interior design is like this black box where it feels like oh my god i i need to be like qualified to know what interior design looks like but then i guess to a lot of people being youtubers and stuff also like learning how to code also feels like that black box and it's only when you go into it that you realize oh there's actually tutorials about all of this stuff and someone's done a skillshare class and like there's plenty of free stuff if you just google it and i've just never really done that with interior design which is why it feels harder to crack i don't know if that's fair to say like becky did you have like a background in interior design or was it just sort of self-taught you figured it out as you went along kind of just figured it out i've been obsessed with like all things home renovation since i was a child like grew up watching um this whole house and new yankee workshop and all that stuff and then in my teens obsessed with trading spaces and then i went into graphic design so there's a little bit of crossover in terms of like color theory and scale and and perspective and things but um when i was working for myself back in st john's at a company and i did freelance photography and design but i worked with um an interior design company they had um they did modern interior design and they had a furniture showroom and it was like all the stuff that you see like in our instagram and videos like they sell that stuff so i worked with them for a number of years and shot like all their properties and was in on meetings and so i think just being around that type of design and seeing like how they put things together kind of really helped me start to understand i still don't fully understand it and you're very quick to like give a disclaimer saying i'm not a graphic designer i'm not an interior designer yeah it's but you know what you like and therefore can kind of create your own taste but someone came to you was like hey can you like design a space for me this is my style i'd be like i only know modern or scandinavia whatever you call this my friend calls it evil scandinavian oh evil scandinavian yeah that sounds about right yeah because i usually imagine scandinavian as being quite light and airy but your designs are very dark mode if that makes sense yeah yeah it's like scandinavian on dark mode yeah yeah yeah um so i guess um the format of this is usually we're going to take questions from our zoom audience and i guess we can also take a few questions from our youtube chat um so angus and bob if you can monitor someone if you can monitor the youtube chat and just like post things in the zoom chat because that's the only one that i'm i'm i'm seeing here and guys on the zoom if you have any uh if you want to ask a question or anything feel free to stick your hand up and we'll get you on on video so we can ask the question but i guess the first thing i wanted to ask you guys is um like i've i've been following your content for for quite a while now and one thing i've often wondered is how do you think about your niche if like that's a thing because i know in the past you had that absolutely sick intro uh like uh i think it was like lifestyle video something like interiors or something like that with like the drone shots and everything and it looked great but then you dropped the intro at some point and so i've always been curious like how how do you think about what is your niche and does that and and therefore how do you think about what videos you actually want to make on the channel um so we kind of have a little bit of philosophy about this we're kind of we've always uh when we started our channel we were kind of going off the fact that we just want to make videos about things that we're into so therefore we kind of let go of like the niche pretty early on we were just like we're going to make whatever it is if it's travel photography interior design is it is going to live on our channel in some capacity uh instead of niching down because we didn't really want to do that it was kind of for fun is why we started it and then it turned into a job which is great so we kind of look at it as we don't really have a niche but um it kind of fits into a few boxes or pillars if you will so we have like the travel pillar the photography video pillar the interior design pillar and then like helicopters which is kind of travel and we try to kind of incorporate all of the things if we can or at least two of those things in some of our videos sometimes it's not always possible but if we do a home renovation video then we kind of try to make it either about the studio or about an office design which i think kind of connects a little bit or if we do a helicopter video we'll try to incorporate some photography into that so it's kind of trying to take little pieces of each pillar and kind of mash them together yeah i wish there was a like an analytics tool that could show you sort of the like pockets of interests your audience has because i have a feeling that we would have a lot of different bubbles of various colors on that imaginary tool and like becky said we've always kind of taken the mindset that if you know like she said earlier when we started this it really started off as more or less kind of like a travel adventure channel um and i don't know how how it's all worked out in the uk system but in here we have like the last year of training would be like fellowship and it's like after residency or was that right is it a registrar is that what you are yeah registrars and then you cannot others as an optional thing if you want okay yeah it's the same here yeah and it's becoming more or less now fellowships are kind of like everyone's doing them it's just a competitive job market yeah yeah same year so we went away for a year to uh vancouver canada to do a one-year fellowship and so becky having like basically a micro marketing agency slash photography business she you know we were basically looked at like you know what like it doesn't really make sense to try like build up clientele here and try to break into like the vancouver real estate market she's doing a lot of real estate photography and she's like just why don't we just like just work on a personal project and she's like well like i've always liked you know travel videos and travel series so why don't we make like sort of a hybrid of that just do it on youtube and at least at the end of the day like mom and dad will know that we're doing okay you know like they'll fall along so and it also gave us an excuse to kind of like you know see all of that area right like vancouver or british columbia in canada is a massive province there's so much to do there and when you're really only there for a week and you're only able to do so sorry a year and you're only only there one week see all of the problems in one week and start a channel and anyway so yeah doing doing weekly adventures we basically just started documenting them and it really was just kind of like start off as the stuff we were interested in and then by the end of that year i mean we weren't like it didn't like explode or anything we were at maybe like a few thousand subs probably half of them were like our immediate network of people on facebook who we actually knew in real life so it wasn't like anything big but it was you know it started it was it was steadily growing basically and at that point we were kind of like you know what i we see a lot of people like saying like niche down because like find your niche and then just pound it and the algorithm will just push you followers and subs that's i i still believe that's true but for us it was more so it wasn't a job and it wasn't aiming to be a job at that point so for us it's kind of like you know what let's just kind of put stuff that we're interested in online and as long as it passes the authenticity test as in this is stuff we're interested in we can passionately deliver it i think it'll do fine and we've kind of just had faith in that and it's i think it's worked to a degree have we grown as fast as some people grow and after what like five years of youtube no no probably not we probably could go faster if we just chose one thing and stuck to it but i think that a lot of our followers and subs you know like we becky did like a repainting of the basement and someone in the comments said i could watch you watch paint dry and i think that was sort of i was like okay i think we're grooming the audience to come for us rather than come for just the content or we're making or the niche we're making that makes sense okay yeah that's really interesting yeah this is something i i think about a lot um and and we talk a lot about with well i was hanging out with two youtuber friends earlier today and we were talking about this thing of like there is like traditional youtube advice which is niche down use a face and a thumbnail show your eyeballs and the thumbnails have like a kind of mr beast expression [Laughter] maybe like like yes all of that stuff does work but there is also a level of it where it's like you've got to think about what are your own goals what's your own like vibe how like classy do you just care to be with your thumbnails and just recognizing that actually maybe that means you won't grow as fast but that's okay and just being totally okay with like owning that decision um and so for you guys it sounds like because it wasn't a job it meant that you didn't have to chase the numbers has has that changed at all since it's sort of sort of become a job like do you find yourself more chasing the numbers i mean i asked because my last three videos have been 10 out of 10 and i've been feeling a bit like oh you know so yeah how do you feel about chasing the numbers these days like compared to the olden days we try not to look at the numbers because in the past we have looked at them and it starts to affect your mindset what you're making and how you view doing youtube as a job so it's kind of like a balance of like looking to see what's working and then also making what you love but um it's hard because the brands look at the numbers right so if i want to make a video about how to paint a wall i know that video's not going to perform but i know that i'm going to get 10 dms of people asking how to paint a wall and it's easy for me to be able to send that video so i made the video regardless if it got you know 5 000 views or 100 000 views and you know so i try not to look at it too much but there are some videos that become a little more strategic that we do put a bit more planning and we're like okay this might be a really good video it might do well so let's like try to deliver it in a way that it might get shared a little bit more whereas like like the next week we might put up a video of us having a campfire in our backyard and we just don't really care if that like what happens with it because we had fun making it so it's kind of i think with sarah dc once said like one for you one for them yeah and i think that's something that i kind of keep in the back of my head sometimes it's like i'll make one that i think somebody can learn some cool stuff from that i want to make and then i'll make a video that maybe nobody's going to give a about but i want to make it and it's fun to do but sometimes those ones like pop off sometimes and sometimes they flop yeah yeah sometimes you have no idea like there's been videos that we've put up that i'm like this probably isn't going to do great and it does really really well there are other videos i put up i'm like i think this is going to be a good video and it's going to do well and it flops so i just stopped trying to care too much about it but then you know you get a brand who's like oh your numbers aren't good enough for your rate and then you're like well like now i feel bad about myself yeah but you know what like i don't know it's i've always said that you know you've always said this is that if you look at your average views it's like and in fact i said this to you again today because our last video wasn't doing as well as you would open do but you know your average views i mean they do give you a range but say your average views it's a mean right so 50 is gonna be above average 50 is below average if you are going to be sad for every time you get a below average video you're gonna be sad 50 of the time you know it's it's like that's just an average you know well i mean theoretically the non-normal distribution but either way like it's you can get into it but yeah so back me up here but what i'm getting at is that if you let these numbers dictate your overall well-being it's it's it's like it's like trying to i don't know it's like playing the lottery with your emotions i feel like we're terrible youtubers because i think a lot of people you see on twitter a lot of times where people are talking about um like strategy strategy and i'm just like i just want to make a thumbnail that i like that looks good on the channel without the silly face or whatever and then like you know we could care more about our titles but it's just you know it's a balance of keeping a healthy happy you know job scenario you doing youtube is already mentally taxing because you're a sitting there and editing all day is draining but then you put your work out into the world every week and people are watching it and judging it and sometimes judging it and not so nice of a way so it's like how can you make it sustainable and keep a happy mental health scenario and for me that balance is not really looking too hard at the numbers and not stressing over titles and thumbnails if a video fails okay cool like next let's go i mean you you can relate to that ollie you you you put your you're always out there and there's people a constant barrage of unsolicited opinions can be mentally speaking we'll say yeah yeah no i think like it it just always i'm i'm finding this is so true in basically every domain of my life where the less i care about the numbers the happier i am but at the same time balancing that with the fact that well i probably should care about the numbers to some degree because you know it's it's nice that the business is growing and now we've hired people and we have this freaking studio space so we need to make money and if i just completely stop caring about the numbers then that's also probably bad i think it's just a constant balancing act and i'm having this issue when um with this with this book that i'm i'm in in the process of attempting to write as well where any time i think about the numbers like i really want this to be a bestseller then it just like sucks the fun out of it and whenever i think you know what i'm doing it for me i'm doing it because it's i'm enjoying the journey it's fun i want to make a book i'm proud of then i just i i actually get more of it done so i yeah i just yeah this just this balance between like caring about numbers versus not caring about numbers is like the bane of my life but yeah yeah that's that's a very interesting outlook because the more the more ambitious your your sights are the more you set yourself up for failure it's kind of paradoxical in a way but yeah i mean regarding numbers though i i sort of almost had this like little hack that i do and if i check something where like a video is really popping off and doing well like i'll like bask in the dopamine but if something is like really doing poorly i'll just like turn the app off and just forget about it so it's like you can kind of like just like have your cake and eat it too and just like i don't know it takes a little bit of like a little bit of mental jamaica he's really good at it i'm not so much and he's like hey who cares like it doesn't matter i'm like oh yeah okay yeah like you you really you you don't have any control over it yeah right like it's it's just trying to make a better video next time look at the video objectively did you have fun making it are you proud of the work if yes feel good about yourself move on if no think about what you can do for the next one to improve it and the there's always going to be a little bit there's never going to be a perfect correlation between your numbers and what you consider good work right and just know that that disparity is going to be it's going to present its ugly head every now and then but generally speaking out your best videos are probably the ones that have the best numbers probably but there's not a perfect correlation so do what you think is if you do your best work people are coming for you and that's ultimately what's driving the channel like you being you should drive the channel you shouldn't let your audience around the channels our opinions really good oh i'm gonna i'm gonna write this on like a checklist on the whiteboard or something like did i have fun making the video am i proud of the content and then if so i will ignore the numbers and if not then well then the problem was like before and i'll figure out a way to solve it for the next time that's really good dude this is original this is an original idea just coming out versus we're just coming up with this on the screen incredible [Laughter] um so we've got a ton of questions from our students who are here on the zoom call with us um let's start with pete if you can unmute yourself and we'll spotlight you and theoretically you should appear on the live stream i hope hey guys hi pete what's up yeah what is up guys i was um becky you mentioned about the uh the paint dry um that is a really boring video that's how i came across you that was the first video watch where you're painting a brick wall and i was like how can i create a brick wall and it came up on youtube search so it does kind of work actually that was the first painting video what i always think it was in the second painting video yeah ad painting does one of our niches questions two questions one being because we're on ali's channel right now why haven't you outsourced your edit that's a fantastic question that's a fantastic question editing is my favorite part of the entire process so i feel like if i outsource editing i'd be outsourcing the the passion and i don't think i i don't want to be the person who's just like film it and send it off like the for me the story and everything comes together in the edit and putting in the music is just like that's everything for me so i feel like if i was going to outsource something it would probably be um you know writing maybe um helping with our facebook group like other tasks but editing is like my passion yeah then like and i feel that is a great great question actually i was expecting ali to to ask that question but um i think most of youtube can be outsourced from an editing standpoint for us we sort of not that again we don't really have a niche but we have been in the photo video niche i think it's sort of like one of the more recurring themes and a lot of our viewers kind of uh dabble in that side of things so i think for us the edit is part of the secret sauce and also the coloring is part of the secret sauce as well so like just how we color grade our videos how we edit the videos when i say we i mean she um but one woman show up exactly exactly accept that i'm kidding but yeah that's i think that's part of one of the that's like one of the very few things that people can sort of maybe uh one of the few consistent things on our channel if we're gonna be all over the place with content i think with like tutorials you could source out editing for tutorials but when it comes to like the short films or like the series like cold island like to me the joy of making something like that is the editing process yeah we don't we're not we're doing many tutorials anymore no i don't like making tutorials yeah we're trying to kind of more so move into the longer form content um and that was going to be my second question so because you guys i noticed the content on your channel is changing a lot now it's it's going away from the the little kind of the little videos to the big big series so how much time are you spending or how much time do you feel you're spending actively like working on the channel versus just like having fun and filming it it's hard because like you have to feed the algorithm so it's like a lot of time spent making the videos that go weekly and then a lot of times spent making like a series or a short film or something and those projects usually take months and months and months to complete mostly because we can't sit down and go hard at it for a couple of weeks because we have to keep putting out videos yeah so i mean we've got a challenge we've got a five-part travel series already filmed that's very early editing stage we've got a 12-part home renovation series which is in process yeah we haven't even started our house yet so yeah there's just like not enough hours in a day yeah and hell escapes is that how's that channel going for you that's his beast yeah that that was kind of for me so if anyone doesn't know um we've got a lot of aerial footage we do a lot of helicopter flights and we've got hours and hours of just like nose cam gopro footage just mounted the nose of the helicopter like a first person view so um our sort of idea or was to like how can we you know like you re reuse this content because we might use like four seconds in a vlog and then we have like you know 48 minutes of it just not being used for anything so i was planning on putting it up for sale like stock site somewhere which i've yet to do because i'm i don't know just lazy lazy no you don't have enough time and yeah and then the long form stuff um the believe it or not the right limiting step for that is actually finding the music that i'm okay with because we're just going to put it like it's just like a slow tv type thing we're going to put on the background um but we try to curate the music too so it's like so you're not listening to a nice relaxing track when it's like like crazy yeah the whole point is like to be able to like curate it to the point where somebody could put that on and study to it and not even feel like oh god the song is like jarring or whatever so yeah so that makes it a little bit more complex but in summary it's going just i think i started about a year ago i think this fall of last year i started it and i think i might have like 11 videos but they're like hour long each so that's like counts for something right awesome thanks guys yeah keep it up uh long time fans they were yeah awesome thank you nice to meet you all right thank you let's go to kevin kevin hey how's it going hey what is up um just like pete i probably spent hours and hours and hours watching you guys paint your set by the way so been doing that but anyways my question for you guys is i'm kind of curious about your guilty pleasure so which youtube channels do you currently watch on your personal time and out of those people i guess who has i i guess like in terms of sets we're talking about inspiration shots who um kind of gives you that motivation for those inspiration shots with their sets oh i feel like our what we watch on youtube is so all over the place like we got served human as a niche the other day on youtube and i was like oh that's interesting it was all over the place too anything from like overnight into politics just like human like this could be anything humans yeah yeah but uh in terms of like who we're watching all the time just off the top of my head like we're watching a lot of well i am cody and victoria i love their videos so much and their shots color grading audio is just like always on point and they're always out in nature and i find that kind of a relaxing to watch and they're just so sweet and precious um but it's just cool to see other people doing something that's like visually appealing that's different than your own niche so you're out they're out in nature they're filming their hikes they're camping i really like to watch camping on the youtube so they're probably one that i watch a lot um another one is hunting for george they're an australian couple who do like a lot of interior design niche home renovation series uh travel series worth and like home tours and stuff and i just i'm obsessed with their channel because travel and home decor is like your thing and australian design is like on another level it's so good it's a lot more modern than yeah anywhere else really yeah certainly the united states anyway yeah so they're definitely like one channel where like their personalities are fun to watch but like the stuff that they're producing is good and the places that they're showing is really neat um so we yeah first of all i think you're the best out of all of us here with the yeah it's the single like shooting light source i love it i love it oh my god thank you all of your leather-bound books i have a lot of books yeah i love that i love it um yeah we have a shared youtube channel so like the recommendation algorithm is just like all over the place i don't know like trent palmer yeah i watched a lot of trent palmer trampoline we we both watched traffic he has he's a a bush plane pilot and he's like flies little like those planes that have those little fat tires that can do like you know like off airport landings but in a plane and uh he goes on wacky adventures as well as he's a precious little peach too he's a really nice guy yeah he's he's any he is i think he's like a drone pilot for a living that's i'm just like we're playing as a drama it's drone pilot fly bush planes for fun calling me on adventure and be my wingman but anyway he yeah he he always is up to fun stuff and just being in aviation not myself i appreciate that for what it is even though it's not helicopters but his videos are also again like going back to like cody and victoria's like trans videos are all color graded like very high quality shots like yes visually like even though he's not tech like he's a drone pilot he's in that kind of niche he obviously knows how to edit videos he does his youtube channel is in the niche of aviation but his like filmmaking is is like on point right yeah it's a succinct story that's entertaining to the point where you will like get mad if i'm if you hear his intro from the room are you watching without even though you have no interest in aviation other than you know by proxy really yeah but you'll want to watch his videos because they're done so well also he like he also shows camping i like watching camping on youtube that's so funny so i'm noticing a few trends like really good color grading um visual and also you guys have a lot of fun watching this type of content too i can tell it's outside your niche or what whatever it's very exploratory love it thank you thank you thank you amazing thanks kevin so we've got a bunch of questions from the chat um the first one comes from alicia who says can you give some emotional encouragement advice for those of us just getting started some of us are just throwing spaghetti on the wall and don't yet know how our channel will play out over time any thoughts on that one aren't we all just doing that though like we're all just flinging spaghetti yeah and eventually you'll fling enough spaghetti that it'll stick and make something that looks like something or you'll fling enough spaghetti where you're like oh i really like how that one spaghetti stuck to the wall i'm gonna make more spaghettis like that yeah but just be aware that it should be you who's deciding which spaghetti you like and not some random critic who's walking by and deciding that they like that spaghetti because i mean yeah you can chase the numbers there and if it's and let's be real like if it's the dopamine hit of of public um uh uh acceptance that you're looking for then fine i mean but you'll call it what it is right but i think um if you can make something again getting back to that authenticity line um i think that's probably the best approach because then your your moods and emotions are not subject to things that are outside your control i think that's that's a big thing i think when you're starting youtube too it's like you have to try on a lot of hats to figure out what hat looks the best on you and what hat you feel really good wearing outside and it's only until you like do a bunch of stuff like for us it was like okay we're gonna try to do tutorials we're gonna try to do travel videos we're gonna try to do an interview podcast and we hated that so we didn't do that so but we tried it and we knew we didn't like it so then we were like well what if we did our own podcast where it was just us and it was right and we liked that and so that kind of worked so it's just kind of like trying different things and seeing where you're comfortable and what feels really good and not doing things that you don't like because it life's too short to be doing you don't like yeah it's not it's only going to be sustainable if you enjoy it to some degree yeah that's i think that's the kind of overbearing thing it's funny the throwing spaghetti and season sticks i remember someone in residency told me like that studying for like to become a fully licensed physician is that our audio is that our audio that's buzzing like that is someone anyone getting like static oh no sounds good to my end okay okay all right yeah they're saying they use the same analogy it was like it's gonna be like you're throwing but they use chicken wire and and you're eventually gonna throw enough at the chicken wire that you know bits will go through and you'll remember maybe like ten percent of what went through but then like a little bit more sticks the next year and a bit more sick than by this time you're finished you'll have a wall of that you can show off to everybody i like that yeah thank you so much that's so helpful and can i ask a follow-up clarifying question on that sure we'll just yeah and um i don't have my proper audio set up i'm sorry oh that's what it was with automatic gain control that's the static we were hearing oh yeah yeah i'm sure i did that so um the follow-up question is that you know i love what you said which is that you kind of hone by trying so you try and then you basically evaluate what your experience was from that and what about um maybe like in addition to that when you sort of don't know what you're going for you have like an intuitive sense that you're you're shooting for something and then and then you're experimenting and it's almost like you're backing into something like you're sort of eyes closed you know fumbling in the dark and finding your way back to sort of your final thing does that make sense yeah i mean i don't think anybody really anybody who's on youtube nobody knows where they're going with it right like it's a it's a very fluid career path and you have to almost be okay with the spontaneity and the secret is that you're looking at all these channels that have quote unquote made it and none of them know what they're doing us included right like i mean ollie's like laughing like smiling and nodding because he's like i mean i think everybody's got a level of imposter syndrome who's doing this but it's like anybody who is a smaller channel and is quote unquote looking up or looking sideways at their neighbors who are doing you know who are or who are appear to be making it it's that they all look oh my god these people look like they're together they look to know exactly what they're creating oh of course they're creating this because this is what you know would do well or of course this is oh i wish i had that idea none of us knew what that was going to do well it's because you never saw a that didn't work because the algorithm never served it to you and that kind of also is something that we've always tried to keep perspective on too with um numbers and you feel like you're the only one who's alone not making it youtube but it's and i hate comparing to a pyramid scheme but like it's a pyramid right like there's fear a few people who make it but you're gonna disproportionately see those people who made it because well they're gonna serve you because i've made it you know it's like this is this like this paradox but you're never gonna see the millions more of people who are in the same stage that you're in and that can be it can be feel really isolating and can make you feel really alone and make you feel like you're not successful um but know that this is all like it's like a treadmill you're always gonna be looking one rung up on the ladder or two rungs up at people above you and you're always gonna be wanting more like right now i think our channel is about like three hundred thousand and if you know five years ago you told us that one day you're gonna get 300 000 subs you've been like holy because at that point we were looking at one thousand and then we were looking at ten thousand and then ten thousand seemed like crazy i was like oh my god fifty thousand holy crap and then it was like oh my god we had a hundred thousand and then but like we're always still looking one level up because it's like oh my god there's only he's got like two million you know it's like we're never gonna get there but it's all just numbers that's the getting back harking back to the original thing we were saying earlier is just like don't worry about the numbers too much it's it's only going to make you stressed out and just do what you enjoy doing and if you enjoy doing it then you can't go wrong i don't know if that answers your question it's kind of a roundabout answer sorry for running off the computer almost died i forgot to plug it in yeah yeah i know that very much answers and i'll just say that in a way the two answers run together beautifully which is that basically you know be yourself be true to yourself even if you don't really know what you're doing just try doing things and as you try doing things then evaluate what you liked what you didn't like you can use external parameters but really use your internal compass and um i'll say you guys have a hidden advantage of each other you know i mean you're an amazing um pair on camera and even like tech vibes and then you probably can like bat around how you feel about things together as well so i believe she forgot to plug in the light i know yeah all right i'll let the other super fans have their time thank you so much thank you nice to meet you all right thanks guys um let's go with ridda river you're here on your iphone we will oh we can't spotlight you but do you want to unmute yourself okay sweating now can you hear me i cannot access to the camera i don't know why uh one second we're on the road that's why hey guys uh we're super fans we're very very big fans of their channel we are aesthetic and uh like everything you do like the color grading and even the renovations um actually rita was the one that actually discovered you and when we started seeing your uh your your your videos we kind of kind of relate to a lot of the stuff yeah we're also canadian so he's canadian we have wife and everything and also like it was like we relating to like everything you do where are you guys located we are located in toronto oh in toronto okay actually i'm the one who commented on your helicopter video that i owned the small thai restaurant in toronto yeah we got so excited when you saw you were flying yeah over there i was like oh that's too awesome yeah and we're gonna post that flight on i'm gonna post that flight on uh kelly's schedule escapes next yeah yeah yeah i always joking to my husband that you know like for you becky always um always the one who edited and everything right for me the same like my husband now we're editing it's just like we switched version of becky and chris she always called me hey becky doing my work i was like all right i love that you can just say call me rita yeah so yeah but anyway i want to respect other people's time i just want to ask you but non-youtube question um like how did you decide whether you want to go with helicopter or like regular plane because like i'm mechanical engineer by trade but um i quit my job to travel the world long time ago and then end up in toronto and open my restaurant and my dream is to be a pilot and i probably happen to be a helicopter as well so i want to ask you that when did you decide either helicopter or regular plane oh i love that i love that rita um so it never was a decision for me it was just always just helicopters um it kind of started out as when i was studying for my board exams for radiology i uh this was back in st john's newfoundland i just randomly the thought popped my head says i wonder how helicopters work i mean talk about like procrastination right and i just think i just want to deep dive and like i was surprised trent palmer i don't i don't dabble yeah so i just kind of like went like nose dived into it and went down a rabbit hole of like that's a poor choice nose dive oh yeah it is a little bit yeah i guess so i just auto rotated down into it was yeah it uh i went down the rabbit hole of helicopters and then i was like i think after like a day or two of it i was like you know what the awesomeness actually like know how to fly them and like actually go on adventures in helicopters like that that's a thing right like do people do that and it's like yeah people go to flight school it's like a that's a thing people fly helicopters and uh eventually convinced myself that it wasn't crazy and uh over the next probably three two or three years and that's kind of how i made it happen yeah so that was that was planes playing the helicopters i always look at it as they're totally different tools they're the only common thing is that they fly but you know if you look at like the missions that helicopters are used for compared to the missions that planes are used for planes are almost unanimously air transport for people and passengers helicopters you know your search and rescue getting in and out of remote places uh going on real fun adventures and doing stuff that you can't do in doing like off airport yeah like literally in any other aircraft and yeah that's to me that was the appeal so planes were never on my radar no pun intended nice all right good stuff um should we go to uh shervin shervin hey what's up hello hi becky and chris um hi i love your aesthetic and your vibe of your channel and i was curious what approach did you take in terms of like finding and creating that like how do you color grade and the thumbnails and the whole vibe of your channel what process did you take and what advice would you have for someone who's trying to figure that out and find their own kind of vibe and aesthetic um it's it's challenging because it's one of those things again it's kind of like the spaghetti like you have to do a lot of it and try a lot of different techniques in order to kind of settle in on something that you like and it's not really something you can force either it kind of comes from like trying other people's techniques and then changing those techniques and then implementing your own kind of techniques and then kind of massaging the color or the style or whatever that is into something that you like and it's kind of always evolving but once you kind of figure out what you like then you can kind of stick from to like a baseline look with like minimal tweaks uh throughout but we shot photos for a long time and i went through a huge range of editing styles from like super like high local contrast images with like a lot of artificial lighting to just shooting really more natural kind of looking stuff to now the more like desaturated kind of look that you see on our instagram um so it's kind of hard because when you're a photographer and you're making content you kind of get bored you can get bored with like a certain look so then it's like how do you find a look that you're not going to get sick of that you can tweak to the point where it looks different enough that you're happy with it and still having fun with it but it's still kind of like on brand i guess quote unquote yeah a lot of people chase sort of an aesthetic and a lot of it's a lot of people who are centered in the film video realm who will kind of chase that i feel like um but the vast majority of youtube i'm not sure what your content centered in you know having a very character's aesthetic works well but it doesn't need to be like the cornerstone of your channel like it would be say in a film video niche um or someone who leans heavily on that pillar since we're the nicholas once yeah but yeah we started off actually because i don't want to discount the fact that you and i have been shooting photos since like high school right and so that was like i graduated high school in 2003 if that dates me so uh that's a long time oh he's a senior yeah like i've been i've been massaging colors in digital images for like almost two decades now so or actually over two decades because i was making bmx video since grade nine so it's yeah it's been a while so it's been interesting to see how the technology changes because it used to be like when raw photos were like you could obviously push them around a lot but video is always really low bitrates just the the imaging just felt images just fell apart yeah you couldn't do the video what you could do yeah like back then when we started right and then it wasn't until like recently with i mean but i'm recently like since like 2015-ish that i feel like you could start pushing video colors around to the same not the same degree but a similar degree to the point where or maybe it's just because we started honing our techniques a little bit better and we started editing our videos sort of like how we always look at our photos you know we added sort of like a bluish cyan tint to the shadows compensatory uh you know orange amber in the mid tones and that kind of gives you it gives you sort of a base like it's almost based on like a kind of a teal amber look um but really high contrast and real dark and moody and a lot of a lot of that too comes from the set design as well not just the um the coloring the color grading a lot of things that we consider color grading is actually all of it put together and not just the color um you know avoiding shooting at like high noon and like going you know shooting more so in the evenings or in the mornings where the lights lower yeah all that stuff creates sort of a look you know shooting with shallower depth of field you know using wider apertures i know that's like a trend now that a lot of people are railing again saying you don't need to shoot f.1.4 but i mean frozen's like dude you spent this money to get a 1.4 lens shoot f14 if you like it whatever who cares whatever it says you know so it's all all those pieces that are not tested like color grading but they kind of coincide and harmonize with the color grading to give you an overall look and that really is is kind of the aesthetic um the the elephant in the room that everyone talks about is lots too or doesn't talk about his luts and we tried on oh we call it opl other people's lives and i think a lot luts are great for like trying on looks and just seeing like okay what does this look like how do i look to look at this and then and then trying to analyze like what is this lut doing because it doesn't make you can leave it at that just apply the lut and move on if if you want but if you really are looking for your own look and you're really sort of more centered in the photo video side of things you probably should be doing your own color you know your own coloring if you're somebody who's in the productivity space not naming and you could probably get by just you know slap a lot a look on or a lot and that's fine it's just outsourcing something that you don't want to deep dive down into can you describe what a lettuce elijah look up table sorry it's like a filter basically for video for anybody doesn't know um but yeah i wouldn't if if and people who are in this chat right now are probably all across the board as far as niches are concerned and there's nothing wrong with going with other people's luts um but if you're specifically if you're looking to find a look or to massage kind of a style then it's good to kind of you know like you said try them on and then figure out how they work and then massage them to make them look how you would like them to look does that make sense that's the quick way it's just trying other people's looks oh i like that look okay now i'm gonna try to recreate it myself you might not get there but the advantage is that it's gonna be original because you're gonna get to a different destination altogether and that's gonna be your signature look yeah i spent absolutely ages when you you guys did a video probably like two years ago now talking about how you shoot in log and how you color and i was like all right this is the secret this is how your videos look amazing and i was like i'm gonna start shooting in log and i tried it once i was like okay never again and now i just picked a profile zero nothing we don't even do any color grading in post who cares it's all good yeah it's 10 productivity hacks so it works nicely for this niche um but your your audience is not going to be like oh wow your video like your look is not going to break or break your content that's the hard part to be about being in the photo video niche is that like if you are making content about how to make videos or how to do photos if you're if your images look off then people will notice right away instead of if we were just in the home coordination our audio or our video was off a little bit like i don't think people would care as much but because your audience is mostly i mean they're using their baseline as watching people just walk around the house with like a handy cam in the shoe right so any sort of like thought out shots is like oh a treat for people yeah but when you're um yeah when your audience is majority made up of people who are there to like learn about imaging then um it all has to be which is and it's its own challenge because if your audio shags up in a video then everybody comments and then it sucks yeah like happy last time yup all right so we've got a question from matthew hey matthew hello ali uh hello becky and chris love your videos great to see you here oh you've got a great looking set too look at this that's nice thanks guys um yeah it was a question about kind of i'm interested to know at what point in your sort of youtube journey you found your groove with content creation writing editing and filming and when you sort of hit that point where you're like you're in a rhythm of it and you're used to them posting out regular content like what was your journey in that um when we started our channel the first video i made was the second vlog it was like a where we drove across the country and moved to vancouver and that video took me about 50 hours to edit and i was like i think we had filmed it in june and i posted it i think it was like august and i was like this like i can't post one video every two months uh i have the post weekly if i want to make a certain amount of videos or be consistent in some way because i was going all in at this point it was a personal project kind of thing because we moved and the business was back home so i was like i have to do it every week so i think at that point it was like uh september i was like i'm gonna make a video every single week for four months and then i'm going to just see like a if i can do it at the end of that four months what that looks like and it was really hard at first because like i said those each video took so long but after i was pushing out videos every single week for that four months my editing started to get shorter and i started to be more efficient at premiere and i could start to turn around videos a little bit quicker and then by the end of the year i went from you know taking 50 hours to edit a video to 10 to 20 hours to edit a video so i got a lot quicker by making that commitment to do it and after the four months i was like oh yeah like i'm learning stuff i'm getting more efficient i'm seeing progress and i'm having a good time doing it and then once it was kind of in my schedule it just stuck and it just became like a part of my life and one a week just turned into that for the rest of time pretty much i mean there's like you've ramped it up before and gotten like two week three week event yeah there was a point where we where i was doing two and three a week but then it was like well sustainable it wasn't sustainable and it's hard to like pump out that much content especially when you want to focus on some more like complex video projects like series and short films and stuff it's just doing three a lot is a lot so i felt after doing that that one a week was the best kind of way for me to keep feeding the beast we'll say keep feeding the algorithm um and then showing up and staying consistent but then also not being so overworked that i wasn't having like a personal life afterwards okay and that was that through sort of sheer discipline on your part or did you have moments of lapsing and sort of hitting a bottleneck and if you did what was your sort of first bottleneck that you found difficult to to get to whether it was writing filming or editing at the start i didn't find it too bad because i was just like i didn't really care about story or whatever i was just trying to make videos and it was just more so showing up every week versus trying to get better at a certain thing and then over time i started adding like trying to learn skills like taking a color grading course or learning how to do storytelling and then you know adding the tutorials but after a couple years um i don't know if it was just like when we started monetizing or if i just started like trying to focus more on making better videos it did start to slow down and and the videos instead of just like documenting what we're eating or document where we're going it's like this video now has to have value what can i share in this video that people are going to like take away something from and still hopefully be entertained so adding that into the mix kind of was like slowed down the process a little bit and when the pandemic hit i found it really difficult to keep going once a week because you know making videos about home decor and whatever just didn't really feel like it meant anything kind of you know what i mean so um that kind of i feel like was a little bit of a bottleneck there where i just kind of dropped down there was like two or three weeks where i went without posting a video and that was the first time i had like skipped weeks consecutively for like three or four years so um but you kind of kind of have to you know roll the punches i mean everybody found 2020 yeah hard year and people continue to find a difficult year um you know but you like we were trying to make as much many videos in our house as we could and to the point where like people in the comments would actually say like are you ever gonna fly the helicopter yeah like you've got that little pillar on the side who are like they came because of aviation and only aviation they're like uh i don't want to see you style a shelf again or i don't want to see you paint this wall yeah yeah it's like well you go away [Laughter] but yeah like that's going back to like why we're doing it for ourselves so yeah i think sometimes you have to take breaks and you can't beat yourself left over if you skip a couple weeks i mean it's only your own sanity right and also it kind of evolves as well because like like i said we went from like the documenting to trying to add storytelling and try to add color grading but then like during this whole year like or 2020 i don't even know what year it is now um there was almost like a bit of an online identity crisis because it was like well what about this there's something weird that's feeling here like what about this isn't working and i was like oh i actually don't like making certain types and formats of tutorials i don't actually really want to make this other type of stuff but like is that going to be a weird shift and like the home renovation stuff um so the over you can get trapped in this like over thinking moment yeah as well and that goes back to the whole apostrophe jumpsuit people like you look at people who have channels who are quote unquote successful and but they don't no we don't know what we're doing you know we still have these crises where we're like oh my god like if we start adding in more uh home renovation content like is this going to alienate our channel because people are here for helicopters and it's like oh well okay let's just do it anyway because we enjoy and then the pandemic kits we don't do any helicopter videos for a full year basically and now we're bringing back another series it's like oh my god right now we have this like five-part travel series and helicopters is anybody gonna care about that and is it like is it gonna bond did all the helicopter people leave and now this is gonna be a whole waste of time but then we're like wait a second we're just creating content we're having fun that we would like to watch and therefore that's kind of that internal compass that we're talking about before so it's it they'll have the whole like that internal compass i think is a lot default it's a very underrated tool to fall back on yeah if it feels right it's probably right cool thank you very much that makes so much sense like uh people look to like my channel my channel as being like oh you these guys seem to know what they're doing but it's like literally the ev every single night as i'm lying in bed i'm thinking oh crap you know that new thing you know i i really want to do a video talking about like self acceptance and like you know lessons i've learned from therapy because that sound that that would be interesting but like people are here for productivity hacks and for like tech reviews oh is anyway isn't going to care it's like any any time we push the boat out and do something new it's like a constant thing of like will anyone give a about this but also when it's like okay i'm making another productivity video it's like oh crap but now the channel is feeling stale you know like how many productivity chips are there really like who knows and so there's this one at a time [Laughter] yeah i think the thing i like to i like to remember is that really everyone is just making stuff up as they go along and there are no right answers in this game and yeah i think i i really like your internal compass philosophy for this you know are you having fun are you posting authentic content and if so you know that's that's how you sustain it um because chasing the numbers becomes fun yeah but i mean from like someone in your niche it almost it you have to like appear like you have your together you know what i mean because people who feel like they don't have their together come to you to get their together that's the thing the funny thing about social media right is that like there's this perception of what your life is because you're posting you know you're showing up every week posting youtube videos and you're posting your highlights on instagram so it it's very easy to look at somebody and say like they've got it all figured out they know exactly what they're doing like a lot of us in the creative world is just like i got a couple ideas and we're just doing our best do another painting video all right how can we how can we make paint dry more interesting this time oh nice we'll take a question from the youtube live streams so we've got uh amrita who asks could you please talk a little bit about work-life balance um i guess especially aimed at chris as chris juggles a completely different job with youtube um yeah how do you how do you guys feel about work-life balance work-life integration um we try really hard to set boundaries with work um for me so for anybody who might be watching who's like not overly familiar with our setup i do youtube full-time so my full-time job is making the videos editing putting up the instagrams doing all the social media chris is a full-time doctor so he works from like 7 30 in the morning until anywhere from six to eight at night some nights he's in later every now and then he'll get home at like 5 30 and we're like yeah this is great so we try really hard by dinner time we have dinner together and then we don't usually work in the evenings we take the evenings off to be together and hang out unless we have like a big project deadline coming up every now and then if he has something to do we'll have a workday on the weekends or if we have to you know film a video or film a podcast we'll do that kind of on the weekends but when we film our vlogs it's usually on the weekend and they're usually documenting something fun that we're doing anyway and that's kind of how we started it so it's kind of become like you know what are we going to do this weekend oh we're going to go do this thing okay we're going to film it to you and we're going to make a video about it and the video is going to be about this thing here that's going to be the underlying topic and then we just kind of bang it out so i don't think that filming the videos doesn't feel like work the editing part of the videos and getting it wrapped up and then coming out with like the thumbnail the title that what's going on instagram if there's a blog post going with it that stuff is what feels more like work yeah um your work with balance is a very nebulous topic um the way i i think from my standpoint uh juggling a full-time schedule with my main job and then i've been lucky enough to be able to have all through my life my hobbies have just happened to be in line or be in things that sometimes people consider would be productive so like you know i'd be like in high school and on my off time i'd be riding my bike bmx but i'd also be making films or videos like action sports videos so even though it was work filming and editing that was my hobby but i was still producing something and that actually was what laid my foundation in video and ironically enough becky didn't do any video initially and then it wasn't until like about five years ago she actually caught us reversed we flipped roles yeah and then now she's like the main editor she's blowing me out of the water and all of it but the for me like coming home after work and like yeah filming a video sometimes is a little bit exhausting if i've had like a very mentally taxing day and becky's very attuned to that and she'll say like are you having are you are you out of spoons today do you want to just like take a night off and just like do nothing i was like yes i need to do that or if i said no let's film this we said we're gonna film this but most of the time i don't feel like filming videos and doing youtube from my contribution is necessarily feels it doesn't really necessarily feel like work it feels more like a hobby so therefore i don't feel like i'm as prone to burnout as a lot of people who might be you know grinding it out at a full-time job and trying to make youtube work but if they find that both things are mentally taxing that's a recipe for burnout and unsustainability so for me i'm very lucky to just for all for whatever reason from the beginning of my time anyway my hobbies have always been somewhat productive in that sense you like the energizer bunny you just keep going you can't sit still yeah but i think that that's just that's more of a personality of mine and i know that that neces won't necessarily work for everybody so i don't really have a one-size-fits-all solution i'm sorry i'd be a terrible productivity channel just do it yeah i mean i think yeah i think i think that's a really important point um you know we've just launched this new podcast where we're interviewing people asking for life advice and one thing that i always say is like you know take everything you hear with a with a with a sprinkle of salt because everyone can only really speak to their own experiences and there are no right answers when it comes to figuring this life stuff out and anyone who acts as if that there are right answers to this is like trying to sell something i say as i tried to tell something um [Laughter] yeah i mean i think yeah i don't know uh i often i haven't worried about it i i don't know if you guys get this where the we we've talked about imposter syndrome a fair bit as my tripod microphone stand just keeps on falling over like people i i guess come to come to you for advice about stuff do you feel qualified to give people advice about stuff because i i i really don't i always feel like well here are some things that work for me maybe they'll work for you you know that that that kind of vibe i think it depends on the topic i feel like 100 percent yeah yeah i feel like when it comes to like design and photography because i i've like i went to school for graphic design so i feel fairly confident in talking about my experiences with it but also with the disclaimer that maybe it's not always the best whatever i'm doing might not be the best way to do something because i'm also self-taught in photography side um and photoshop and lightroom and stuff so um yeah i think part of some things i feel qualified to talk about other things it's kind of like like interior design for example we talked about that at the beginning it's like this is what has worked for me and this is my experience but i'm not a trained professional so what i'm saying may not be either the best way or may not be the correct way to do it um i know topics i don't feel comfortable talking about giving advice on i don't because i did that one time and i got reamed on youtube and i was like i'm not doing that again yeah it's it's interesting because you we we try to like skirt this fine line between sharing things that are interested in our channel and we've always actually tried to have like our goal for a lot of our videos we always said we want the person to learn at least one new thing but we're not we're not experts and we're not trying to teach things like yeah i have a commercial helicopter license but i'm not a i'm not like a certified flight instructor by any means so i'm not here to teach people how to fly helicopters but i wanted more in part on the general public oh i didn't know how atc worked oh that's what they're saying on the radio that's why they say this so i think from an entertainment standpoint you have to add value and a way to add value is you can add some new information but packaging it in a way that you can um make it more entertaining and not more of a take this is the de facto means of it's more so this is how i do it this is why we do it there's probably a bunch of different ways that people can do it and realizing that yeah if you're not i'm always trying to not fall into the dunning-kruger um effect i i i would i assume that you know all about dunning-kruger and the yeah the the less knowledge you have the the more confident you are and it's like a u-shaped graph and you never really reach the pinnacle of knowledge of the person who has no no experience but i don't want to be that guy who's like spewing bs online and has a you know substantial number of people who are following it and believing what they're saying um just because i and maybe being sort of from the background of medicine i'm very in tune with misinformation and even disinformation um to an extent but yeah i try not to be i try to know my own limitations to the point where that's i think how imposter syndrome is fed right like it's you start self-doubt just creeps in so much that you're like wait a second am i even am i even qualified to do any of this but i think it's helpful because like without with our channel like we we both come from different backgrounds so i think what makes me feel a little bit more confident about certain things that i talk about is that you are more well versed in some of those things so you can look at the video that i make and i can say like can you just look at this and just make sure that it's correct we have two internal compasses yeah well maybe and maybe we're both wrong who knows but yeah don't discount the two two internal compasses are in an echo chamber yeah so you can go right up like two festoons but sometimes there is like i will say something and you'll be like well maybe that wasn't the right way to say it and so having that extra perspective looking at your work all the time like nothing ever goes out on our channel without two sets of eyes on it that's true so yeah yeah yeah i guess we're we're coming up up to time so i just want to wrap up um i wonder if i can ask a very sort of selfish question uh which is i would love to hear more about the sort of how how do you guys hand manage the fact that you are like together relationship wise like private life with also being like on the internet as very public figures like how do you navigate that like line between kind of this is personal relationship stuff that we're not going to talk about and like this is the like different uh both of you potentially having different levels of comfort with like certain things being public certain things not yeah how how do you how do you navigate that territory i kind of it's interesting because the youtube thing just kind of happened it's not like we just said okay one day we're going to start and these are the parameters we're going to stick within but i would kind of describe it as uh and this is the first time i've ever thought about this way yeah if you would say something in a small group in a in like a social setting like at a party but in the before times um when people did get social gatherings if like if you would say something like in a group of people in a cocktail party you know like after they've maybe had a few drinks another one was drink by the way but if you know if you're in a setting like that and you might tell like a joke that's a little bit raunchy but it's not like completely out there that's kind of like the litmus test i feel like but you wouldn't be like cuddling up all snuggly and smoochy and kissing you know like it's like that yeah so i mean we kind of i feel like the stuff we share online is the same humor and presence that we would be if we were at like a cocktail party if we weren't like anti-social i have i have a no filter so i have a and not that i have a problem with like things that we say or like i mean we don't go on camera and we're not like oh wait well maybe we are a little bit we're not like what do you call it um when people are kissing on hugging in public pda pda we don't do a lot of that i mean we might we're always sitting next to each other but i have a problem with my filter where i swear a lot and i talk about bowel movements and fart jokes and like i have no shame when it comes to that so sometimes there is a bit of a line where i like put something in the video and you're like um you can't put that in the video i'm like why it's funny you farted and it's hilariously farting it's mostly important so but we we definitely have that respect where like if there's a podcast or a video where i've edited it to be a certain way and one of us or the other person isn't really comfortable with what like what it is like we will take it out 100 like we both want to be comfortable with what's going on but even like instagram stories like there's been times where chris has made instagram sorry i'm like maybe like i don't want to put that on the internet just for whatever reason he's like cool there's never pressure of whatever we're making if something is not comfortable there's never pressure to like oh come on please can we just do it and then there's a regret it's like okay no cut it and it goes in the trash can right yeah i don't know if i've answered your question i don't know either no thanks i appreciate the perspective that's all very interesting um yeah just want to say thank you this has been this has been great thanks for coming on uh taking the time answering the questions from the chat and the youtube live stream uh everyone follow becky and chris there's links in the video description if you're watching this on youtube and you guys are subscribers anyway if you're watching this on the zoom chat any any final kind of parting advice for whatever that's worth for people just getting started on youtube maybe a few videos in maybe a few tens of videos in and like feeling that i feel like this should be easier that's that's everything though in life man yeah every single thing like we just put a paper patio in the back deck and oh my god there's like three days of like i think i moved like 20 000 pounds of stone and earth but yeah everything is going to be that you approach is going to be you think it's going to be easier that's just life unfortunately and it's tip of the iceberg whatever you want to call it you know there's always going to be you see the pinnacle of success but we don't see is all the the work behind it but also remember like i was talking about before don't get too bent up when you look at the people who are you that you do think are successful just know that the algorithm is not serving you everybody else who's in your exact same position and for that reason most of you are going to quit and that's why it's shaped like a pyramid not because it's pyramid scheme but because it's only only a few people will make it to that level of success that you're looking at on a daily basis yeah i would also say like try not to compare yourself to other people because comparison is the thief of joy and it will suck the joy right out of this thing that is youtube um and also if you're showing up to make youtube videos just be yourself don't try to be somebody else don't try to deliver content in a way that somebody else is doing it because it's working for them because then you become a an imposter i guess of this other person so just be yourself and eventually if you keep going you'll find your voice and you'll find your style and it takes a lot of time and effort but if you're enjoying it that's the main thing yeah because it's a good point cause you said anybody anytime you're copying whatever other people are doing whether you consider it copying versus inspiration or whatever is that person that you've copied is already on to a new thing so you're not just one step behind your two steps fine you know so it's it's just do your own thing and you'll eventually you'll we we kind of had this this sort of forget not to get on too much of a tangent but we sort of had this thing where like we really took us a while to be comfortable with that internal compass of ours and a lot of it was because the niches and we're still in that area where we we don't think the niches that we want to be in exist yet um and we'd like we want to create like these travel series via helicopter i don't know of anybody who has that so for us people i don't think they're gonna if that's gonna be very popular series because people aren't searching for it but if you can create it and create a new community or create something that people didn't know they were interested in then you're gonna be the first one in that area and then the sky is the limit right no pun intended because it's a helicopter get it cause looks guys love it all right guys thanks very much thanks for sharing all your insights this has been great and uh guys if you're watching on youtube or if you're watching on the zoom call uh the same time tomorrow we have a chat with charlie from charisma on command so we will be talking all about charisma and so stay tuned for that and if you want you can sign up to our part-time youtuber academy it's launching on monday if you like to be honest we don't know what we're talking about we're just making stuff up uh but we're talking to we talk to other youtubers and get their advice for whatever advice is worth and generally it's a nice community and people have fun so thanks for joining us thanks becky and chris and hope to see you guys in person at some point when the us canada opened up the borders people in the uk and uh likewise if you're ever in london uh hit me up and and then we can hang out cool yeah thank you so much for having us we're in buffalo so if you're ever in new york state let us know sick all right toronto all right good stuff guys okay bye