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title: 'Live: Blizzard Reveals the Future of Midnight WoW | Comeback City Show'
source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=0TnlWPseqeM'
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date: 2026-08-09
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# Live: Blizzard Reveals the Future of Midnight WoW | Comeback City Show

> Source: [Live: Blizzard Reveals the Future of Midnight WoW | Comeback City Show](https://youtube.com/watch?v=0TnlWPseqeM)

## Summary

The Comeback City Show discusses the future of World of Warcraft's Midnight expansion, focusing on the highly anticipated 12.0.7 patch. The hosts analyze new content including a new raid, zones, and world tier difficulties, while also debating the community's excitement for Classic Plus and the state of gearing in retail WoW.

### Key Points

- **Classic Plus skepticism** [00:01] — The hosts express skepticism about Classic Plus announcements, noting that many content creators hype it for views. They advise viewers not to hold their breath and to enjoy current content instead.
- **12.0.7 patch content overview** [01:43] — The patch includes a new raid, story quests, turbulent timeways, void assaults, and heroic/mythic world tier difficulties. The hosts consider it a 'W' due to the sheer amount of content.
- **New raid and world tiers** [03:04] — The new raid and the addition of heroic and mythic world tiers are highlighted as major positives. The hosts compare the patch favorably to previous mid-tier patches from War Within.
- **PTR testing and currency** [04:08] — The host tested the PTR and notes that the new currency is easy to obtain, with each world quest giving around 15 units. Higher difficulties will provide more.
- **Patch release date speculation** [07:23] — The hosts speculate that the 12.0.7 patch will release on June 16th, aligning with Turbulent Timeways. They also predict the 12.1 patch launch around August 11th.
- **Raid gear rework** [08:16] — Gear from the new Sporefall raid has been reworked. It now drops at item level 298 for mythic difficulty, with randomized stats, similar to crafted upgraded gear.
- **No flying in new zone** [13:38] — The new zone does not allow flying, which the hosts appreciate for immersion. They discuss how flying shrinks the world and prefer ground mounts for a more engaging experience.
- **UI improvements** [19:21] — Blizzard is updating the personal resource display and cooldown manager, adding more customization options. The hosts praise these integrated UI changes.
- **Forum Freakout: Bonus rolls** [24:14] — The community discusses the new bonus roll system, which provides three practically free mythic track items per week. Some see it as a great catch-up mechanic, while others worry about gearing too fast.
- **Tank drought solutions** [33:26] — Suggestions to fix the tank shortage include giving tanks a call to arms satchel, additional crests, and making tanks more fun and powerful. The hosts agree that tanks need more incentives.
- **Azeroth Draft segment** [44:26] — The hosts play a game where Lance ranks expansion features, starting zones, capital cities, and cinematics. The audience votes on whether his takes are W or L.
- **Memory Lane: Death Knight Spree** [01:15:44] — The hosts watch an old machinima video, reminiscing about the influence of such content on their childhood. They discuss the peak of WoW's popularity with over 13 million subscribers.

## Transcript

to those two separate zones like what like we talked about, new raid, and holy [ __ ] even turbulent timeways. So like dude, crazy. A lot to be going on right internally tested also with a possible late 2026 so early 2027.
possible, but I don't know where you're getting that information from and I wouldn't count Listen, one thing and and the problem and the and then let I just want to say this bluntly and honestly, when it comes
to anything classic related information, I always hold >> my breath now because it's just not something I buy into anymore. There's so many people just doing like spitting out fake things for
views over on classic. It it It like ruined how I think about the game for a long time. Up until recently, I It's not that I don't care about classic, it's just I'm not waiting on it. I'm just going to let it simmer and marinate and
do its thing. I'm not going to rely on my fun ability and ability to enjoy wow based on the future of classic because there's a lot of people out there who not true. >> not to offend anyone, but a lot of these
>> not to offend anyone, but a lot of these people their their content relies on people getting hyped for classic plus. And by the way, we don't even know it's if it's classic plus. It could be a meeting talking about what they could
start development on. Like it can be It I mean, who knows, but Listen, I personally think classic plus is still a year and change away minimum. Maybe. Either way, either way we know it's coming. Just let it
I'm not I'm not Yeah, I'm not going to just, you know, I'm holding my breath. chill and everyone should do that. Don't rely on something that isn't even rely on something that isn't even confirmed. Just chill. Have a good time.
though, story quest, turbulent timeways, a new raid, the void assaults, heroic and mythic world tier lance. The 0.7 patch, absolutely slammed with content. My question to you is this, Lance. Okay. >> If they deliver the point seven patch
and it's perfect, it's absolutely banging, are we back? never left. >> Ladies and gentlemen, I want to ask you, >> Ladies and gentlemen, I want to ask you, if they release the 12.0.7 patch that
has a lot more content, right? We're talking about a brand new raid to do every single week. New story and quest and campaigns tied to Zul'jin leading into 12.1. Heroic and mythic world tier. Two new zones to dive into
just a little bit, kind of like the size of Siren's Isle. What are we thinking? Is this a W or an L? Talk to me in the chat. If no one says anything on YouTube, I'm quitting. YouTube getting shut down. I think the story chapters
keep the stream alive. The story chapters and the uh what do you call it? The uh Lore walking? That alone is already makes it a W for me. Yeah, no. No, it's cool. I I think the lore walking's cool as well. I mean, you
always gives you a little taste of what's coming next season. Let's prepare. They've been doing that and I think that is uh that's a major W. Yeah, lore walking's so sick, yeah. >> That alone makes it a W, but then you
add in the new raid. That's I mean, that's a huge W. That's just More right? Get together and let's beat the [ __ ] out of this boss. That's a W. But then you add in
the showdowns or whatever whatever a showdown is and and heroic world tier. I mean, that's a sick patch. Right? That is a insanely like rich [music] patch for a point seven. And if you take this point five and this point
the point five and point sevens from War Within, holy [ __ ] they're eating them alive. they're beating them even in the borrowed power section because even the
borrowed power in War Within kind of sucked. The belts sucked. >> yeah. And the rings sucked from Siren's Isle. It's crazy that you say that now. at the time and it was pretty cool. But like
Yeah, I forgot actually right the borrowed power thing too is coming as Forgot about that. And by the way, I'm telling you right now, I was testing over on the the point seven patch on the PTR.
Yo, they make it very easy to get those little What are those that new currency that we just got? The little accolades or whatever. each world quest gives you like 15 or something. Oh wow. So, you can just bang
difficulty heroic mythic world tier, they're going to give you more. You know what I mean? So very crazy stuff all very very good W stuff and uh Well, under Undermine is is from the point one patch.
mid-tier patches. Yeah, yeah. But Undermine is one of my currently because of busy work, I've missed out on the entire season sadly. about retail wow. If you feel like you missed some time out like you always
you have to understand >> of time left in the game. >> there is two and a half months until the next season. Even if you play on a two-week bender where you go three hours a night, two hours a night for just two
for this season, I promise you. >> No, Ace. No, I'm not denying they're announcing it at BlizzCon. I don't like I know they're going to >> No, classic what No, Lance, he said classic what plus will be happening, I
understand. >> he said that. We're not saying it's not and and make your entire wow life waiting for classic plus to come out. Like there's things to enjoy now. No, Lance. Classic
plus I don't What is this like argument you're Stop it. Enough. You're arguing with my boy Ace. Classic plus is coming and I'm sick of you denying it. >> You know that? Oh, no [ __ ] Ace. Everybody knows that.
That's not what we're saying. and wait for it. No, literally, Ace, all we're saying is like you don't want to hold your breath on something on on on like a Classic
Plus angle cuz like I started doing that like 2 years ago and I'm still holding made me depressed and annoyed and angry. You you want to just like Classic, whether it's hardcore, whether it's mob servers, whether it's
know if that's going to >> I fell into the trap of >> waiting for Classic Plus and letting it ruin the the the want to play other things. What a waste of time and energy. >> When it comes, it By the way, the longer
>> Let it come. >> The longer they take, the better. You don't want them to rush it out. >> Let it come. And by the way, guys, when that does come out, we will still have three dedicated channels to retail World
of Warcraft pumping out content, by the way. So, if everyone's worried the comeback kids are about to dropship and deuces and peace, you're out of your mind. First of all, Lance is First of all, I almost have to beg Lance
to play Classic Plus in a way because he just enjoys retail so much, but we're going to have three full-blown dedicated channels on retail WoW. We're never leaving retail WoW and so as long as you're here, you got us. You'll always
going on with retail. So, let's make that very clear. Let's continue with that. Um moving on though, 8-week content cadence consideration a few weeks before BlizzCon. Yeah, I mean, lines up just
BlizzCon. Yeah, I mean, lines up just about right. Uh continuing off of that is this right here. Potentially when the point said good, I don't like Classic. That's funny. Uh hints at the patch 12.0.7 release date
hints at the patch 12.0.7 release date on June 16th. Now, remember, guys, this major seasonal release and it looks like it's going to be happening sometime next month. So, about what is that? 5 weeks from now?
5 weeks, right? Yeah, I'm going to I'm just pulling up my my timeline that I had. About roughly. And I want to see what it where it lines up with theirs the way? Guys, I'm so sorry. I I have a whole timeline mapped out for what I
So, let me tell you, Jacob, really quick. The type of gear that drops from the 0.7 raid, it actually just got reworked. And I'll break it down for you right now. It used to be just mythic gear. For
example, let's say it's mythic gear with like 280 something item level, right? And it was war-bound. But now it just got reworked. And now the gear that drops from the Sporefall raid is the is pretty much the equivalent of the void
the void like crafted upgraded gear. There's sending void cores. So, for example, if it's a mythic raid that you run, it'll be 298 item level the items that drop. 298 with randomized stats and a bunch of different things. Once again,
none of this is 100% going to happen officially confirmed cuz they're second time they've changed it. So, I'm not saying that's how it's going to be for sure, but that right now as of just today, that's what it is.
today, that's what it is. Um so, I just want to say when when Midnight launched, I put the dates for what I thought the entirety of the expansion would be. Okay.
I was a week off on the 0.5. Okay. But my my date for the 0.7 was June Okay. Uh and yeah. It shows on the screen Turbulent Timeways starting on June 16th.
my launch day for the 0.1 is supposed to be August 11th. I mean, we'll see. You could be right because
>> they're saying the 25th. Now, whether that's right or wrong, no one knows. I >> turbulent timeways would run 10 weeks, likely 1 week for each expansion. Yeah, but I don't know. That doesn't really make any sense to me. No, I think it's
launch date. >> look, if you knock off 2 weeks off of this, what's the date? August 11th. August 11th. Yeah. And I think it will August 11th. Yeah. And I think it will be that because
1 week where Remember, they always do the 1 week where there's no raid out. It's just time to do the campaign and visit the new land. Then the week opens up and [ __ ] What if they have a heroic week before the mythic opens up?
have the race to world first to be done before BlizzCon. Because you want those guys at BlizzCon. >> I guess. Uh coming home to the news of town. Oh, yeah, that's gone. That whole build is gone. It's a brand new build.
right now. Uh plenty of time to get cutting edge, right? don't care what it takes. Okay. I'm getting it this season and I'm getting that [ __ ] mount. I don't care what it takes. We're getting it done.
I'm going to have to call in a favor from Goop. Get in that raid team. Oh. see you later, bud. Uh if Lance says it's true, then it's true. He never lies. It's true. Listen, let me tell you. Lance is my Lance is my info guy.
You guys know like that dude in the office where it's like, yeah, there's He's got the Lance is my guy. We Uh yeah, that shit's getting nerfed by the way, Dakota, for sure, 100%. So,
comes to the date, ladies and gentlemen. And like we said, when it comes to some coming, we went through all this. I've been through all this on uh couple of the news videos, which in case
you guys are wondering, um we do have some other content over on the Comeback City Calypse channel, which we go through news videos, shorts, stuff like that. So, if you guys are a fan of the Comeback Kids and everything we do,
I promise you you are going to love that channel. We do a lot of news breakdowns and stuff like that. And I promise, guys, go check out the link in the Twitch chat right now. You I promise, like I I don't know how many times I
>> Dude, he promises. I've said it [ __ ] five times. If you enjoy our content and you're watching the show live, you will enjoy that content. Um continuing though, so they said very clear here, unlock the
heroic world tier by gathering a group to defeat the bases world boss Nexus captain Leth'Rier. Now, you guys have to understand also, I was there this boss has a lot of health on the normal tier. [music] So, you can only imagine on the
more and probably have a bunch of affixes and mechanics and everything. And I you know, we'll see if there's an actual mythic tier. That's not something that's 100% confirmed yet. I only saw hero like a
heroic tier and I'm pretty sure I can pull up uh let me see if I can find >> I wonder if they can make this boss the difficulty of like a normal raid boss. That'd be pretty cool. This if
That'd be pretty cool. This if is tad. Uh just going through here just a bit. Just doing the starter quest, whatever, but we're in the zone. And right before we
here there's a nice little drop down and it only says normal and then heroic. So, other than that, we don't really have much. By the way, it wouldn't even let me click it because I obviously didn't kill the bosses and complete the
heroic world tier, but that's pretty much what it's looking like. Similar to the difficulty before you enter a certain zone and and you go from there. zone, by the way. Really, really nice. By the way, you cannot fly, so it's like
something you'll either A unlock over time Is that a world boss? Uh no, these guy help me. That was pretty cool. Really tough uh mobs, by the way, even on normal. Uh so, really cool. Really, really cool. Yeah, no flying no flying
don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of sick of the whole I can fly everywhere thing in World of Warcraft. I'm I I'm actually ground mounts, baby. >> Yeah, I'm so tired of that. Like, I feel
like it ruins the immersion of the game and just kills everything like when it comes to enjoying the world, the quest, the traveling, the world PvP, like Progen, I was about to say the same exact thing.
You stole my joke, so screw you. What do you think about uh potentially no flying? I I think they need to do it more often. Like, they need to they need to limit us flying more often.
times, and I know people disagree with me, but when you fly, it does shrink the smaller. And I guess what? This zone is not very
on your like riding around on your ground mount, this zone's going to feel does. >> Yeah. And no, you're absolutely right. I think it shrinks the world and I don't know. It makes everything feel grand and
World of Warcraft. >> Yeah, I think retail's been missing that >> There's one thing I will say, and I I love all the zones since Dragonflight since they since they added dragon riding. But a lot of the times,
they fill up all this empty space with like useless nonsense instead of we You could shrink them in size a little bit and make more meaningful areas. zones. Go look at some of the best zones ever in Wow's history. They're all small
zones. They're not some vast, ginormous open spaces. Yeah. So, I don't know. That's my thought. Uh I hear you for immersion, but as a a fan of traveling. Well, hold on. Wait a sec.
You have to understand. I'm saying first of all, at the start of an expansion, you hit max level. Kind of like what they did in the Burning Crusade. That's number one. Number two, when they introduce new zones and areas and
destinations like this, always keep it no flying because it makes you like almost appreciate the the vastness and largeness of the zone. I wouldn't even see any of this [ __ ] if I'm flying. I would skip and fly
right past all this [ __ ] Yeah. Like I'm good on that. I want to experience something for 5 seconds. Like You know what I mean? I No, I agree. 100% bro. How cool.
Oh, feed donated with the five through super chat. Guys, if you guys if you guys are in chat right here right now, let's get some comeback kids icon in chat for the supporter. $5 guys. Show some love. Comeback kid icons in the
chat. Uh I believe they should lock flying behind the expansion story and achievement like they used to. Yes, I agree with that 100%. Like make it so we don't have flying until we finish the main campaign of the
expansion and then let you have it. Cuz I don't want I I agree. I don't think my everyday day-to-day gameplay I should have to be on a ground mount. >> Yeah. But I think for my first play through of an expansion, yes. They did
it with Wrath. It was great in Wrath. It was great in TBC. Cata. And then even MoP. What about MoP? No, MoP, yeah, you had to run. You had to run. I remember that. I remember running
What about WoD? WoD, they didn't put flying in for a long time. You know what's so funny is all those expansions By the way, even Cataclysm. Cataclysm had good leveling, believe it
or not, even though I hate Cataclysm and I didn't like the game for what it was. leveling. But what made it feel good is just like I really felt I was like enrooted in the [ __ ] zones. That makes sense? Yeah.
I don't know. It'll take I mean listen, you can't please everybody, right? Um just a just a thought. But anyways, you can see the world boss. I found him here on the map. I By the way, I literally randomly found him. He does not show up
on the map. Um and I think right there I can't even say. >> I think I think he has like either 200 million health or 20 million >> That's the world boss or just a rare? I It It's like a one-two punch combo. It's
these two guys right here and they share HP. Nice. So I I don't know. So we'll have to see uh what the situation like really is for them. Either way, very just one of them. There's a second one. It goes on a rotation, so I couldn't
actually see the second one yet. But uh yeah, there is that. Moving on >> I mean guys I I like let's keep in mind the only expansions that are are we only recently got flying from the get-go. That was
with Dragonflight, like right at the start of the expansion. It wasn't like this is some crazy thing. You know, it's something they did forever. Yeah, like not some drastic
retail change. Um additionally, Lazy, by the way, RB, the love. If any of you guys want to support the channel for absolutely free, you can go on over to the Twitch, throw a Twitch Prime membership if you guys
are interested, show some love. Don't got to spend any money because uh yeah, over on YouTube want to check your primes, see if you can throw us a little Twitch Prime for free support. Throw some love. Moving on, also Lance, some
of your favorite things Blizzard does, honestly constantly at this point when it comes to the 0.7 patches. Cooldown manager, resource displays, any other UI integrations, it looks like it's happening again and
display option is going to be added. Oh, uh Shadow membership. Guys, show some love in the chat. Comeback kid icons in the chat. Show some love to a community member.
Got to show some love. Um Let's keep it going. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. It's like taking my legendaries away every expansion. Dragonflight. Didn't have one of the War Within and we should have got one this
hopefully Now, we're going to get that axe. Boy can pray. Next patch, we're going to get that axe. Yo, if we do I'm going to somehow make two-handed in hand.
Don't No, you're going back to your arms, warrior. You wish. Uh the personal resource display is getting a big update. So, Lance, normally the resource display uh Zul'jin's axe. Yes, in the short story
with Zul'jin. The one that's blessed by the loa. Easy easy easy. So, normally, guys, man, I I'm trying to find an image of the personal resource display like what it would normally look
like for an example for you guys. Wow, personal resource display. Just so I can find an image for you guys. Man, I can't find [ __ ] Because at the end of that story, she
she actually doesn't take it and she gives it back to her grandfather, right? Cuz she wants to use her mother's axe. So, maybe that somehow gets stolen by her brother and then we got to go over there and take it.
there and take it. Or something like that. I don't know. It's occasionally this thing that you can have pop up if, you know, you want simple, shows your health, your resource bar, and then it shows, you know, your
whatever situation going on here. So whether it be rage, holy power, soul shards, combo points, shadow whatever. Yeah, chi, whatever. So that's what it normally looks like.
There's no customization really, literally nothing. Zip. Now at this to be like, "Hey, why don't we add this to the pool of things you can customize in this really awesome integrated sort of Blizzard UI changeable thing and
love this sort of look. They love the simplicity and and to dive into it. And let me tell you, it's big. Like you could do a lot of for example, this is what it starts looking like, but now you can start
>> Oh, Evo with the sub, with the prime. Thank you so much, baby. Appreciate the >> resub. Guys, 4 months on Evo, man. Throw some comeback kids icons in the chat.
members, man, donating and supporting the channel. Literally can't do it man. So you could see right off the bat, it's wrong, Lance? Like this is starting to look like an actual [ __ ] like thing
look like an actual [ __ ] like thing you could use and and like imagine this with just the cooldown manager right here. Yeah, it when I first saw this, I was like, "Yeah, Lance would use something like
>> 100%. Yeah. Now, what do you think about them constantly adding and integrating things like this into the base UI of of World time. And like we've been saying when they first announced the cooldown
great right off the bat, but after a while it's going to keep getting better. then eventually maybe by the end of the last Titan they got a pretty nice UI. Listen, I don't know about you guys. I just use
the cooldown manager for like my actual combat add-ons and Plater which is combat add-ons and Plater which is literally just a copy UI of Blizzard's but just color coding certain mobs that I know I need to focus. Other than that,
I don't use anything for combat add-ons and I completed all my 16s. So yeah, I you don't need anything for wild anymore at this point. So really really awesome. You can customize the [ __ ] out of it and go through the whole thing.
That's a major W. I think I think we spent enough time though talking about all this stuff guys. I think it's time to move on. It's a time to dive into the forum freakout. Let's jump. It's time for the
forum freakout where we pull the wildest, saltiest, and most unhinged takes from the wild community. From rage posts to Reddit meltdowns, nothing here is safe from the freakout. Let's get into it.
what time it is man. Time to dive into the forum freakout. See what's going on this week in the news, discussions, community posts, and rants. Maybe even freakout someone call? Anyways, let's jump right into it. Lance, you want to
take this one maybe? So, can we keep these new bonus rolls about the bonus roll system? You think this is a W system or an L system? Let They're pretty close to a perfect solution to alts and latecomers catching
solution to alts and latecomers catching up with starting set of myth gear over being time gated. Hot take. system?
E I do, but also >> [laughter] >> That's literally the same uh >> powerful. Dude,
the opportunity at three, practically free mythic track items a week It's insane. You get one from your vault and two to roll with on a plus 10 dungeon. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. I would say
Um I want to see what some of these people are saying. Hold on. I'm guessing it's their alternative to turbo boost. I will say it's better. Uh the only downside is that heroic
raiders are left with nothing. They really need to do something about heroic Yes. >> Yeah, I mean that's been a problem for a while though. Like Yeah, I mean heroic raid is at at
least for gearing is it's been just obsolete. And even normal rating. Yeah, raid unless you're a mythic raider, you're not rating for gear. So how what do we do to make raiding feel more valuable? Because you have prey and
delves for champion. And then you have the hero tier loot getting from delves and then you get the other hero tier from mythic plus. >> There's something interesting that you could do with maybe letting hero gear
start out at like maybe six of six if you get it from the >> Interesting. That way at least like you save a crap ton of crest if you get it. >> a max rank hero piece is not bad.
Like Yeah. >> That's That's That's By the way, saving crest like that is huge. Yeah. So maybe they could do something like early on in the season like it would make heroic raid feel more useful.
>> Ooh, titan forge procs from raid loot. Ooh, please no. know what you Good point, Trojan. What if it was at the base level it could be six out of six heroic, but it could also proc to a
myth piece. Oh dear god. Think about that. No, I don't want to think about it. Sounds like an RNG nightmare. Sounds terrifying. I don't want RNG tied to loot.
What if just hero like what if the loot that dropped from raid just had two additional item level tracks tied to it? So, instead of six out of six it'd be eight or you know, eight out of eight. >> can make it go eight out of eight, sure.
You could do that. I don't know, something. But something has to be done. feel like because at least for me once we get AOTC, why am I going back to raid?
Don't need to. I There's literally zero reason for I haven't needed to go in a normal or heroic raid all season, not even one time. three cuz this season's a joke. Actually like
Trojan's idea or maybe you Well, I would change it to just let it proc to myth piece. I don't know. Like it could go it could >> I think that's a pretty cool system. The
much RNG makes it feel like it's forced There's too much RNG. In retail World of Warcraft, you can literally target farm mythic loot with bonus rolls. Well, I think that that's not good.
>> I I have to finish reading this. There's too much RNG making it feel like >> Well, if you're talking about in mythic plus, yeah. You can just put that's good. That's just a problem with the game.
you clear all bosses in heroic raid it gives you an extra void core. Um I would just say Well, if you kill the last boss, you could get one. Yeah, but then people would just simply target farm that. Once I get AOTC, I'm only coming
>> Yeah, and cutting edge. Yeah, that's good. Mountain. Uh Kymera's mythic is pretty doable on pug and has a [ __ ] trinket so Yeah, sure. Getting gear for sure for the first time is good, but the way we
honest. It should be happening another month from now. By the way, I don't disagree. I I just like I think it's too much. I think we're getting gear too fast. Don't get me wrong, I like getting gear, and I think it's respectable for
think it's I simply think it's just too fast. I don't know, there's really nothing else to it. I just think we should I should have a reason to want to show up like So, in the case of a you're in a guild
no offense, so you're just not good enough to mythic raid. Not saying that's us, but there's many guilds who AOTC like that's their cutoff. There ain't no way they're clearing mythic. There should be reasons to go back
should be reasons to go back to do heroic raid. Yeah, or to want to reason? >> Like I have not stepped foot into the Void Spire since we killed Crown of the
Void Spire since we killed Crown of the Cosmos. I won't either until I get into It doesn't, it's pretty good trade-off. It lets you focus on chase items if you opinion. I think they're extremely unhealthy for the game and below item
level. Yeah. Listen, I could agree with this take. This is a hot take, but I think I could agree with it. I think we we completely blew past the phase of gearing when it comes to delves, prey, world quest, reputations, and all that
being a major point. We blew past it in a [ __ ] week to do. You started farming heroic gear instantaneously week one, while also getting gilded crest to craft your spark
items, and then a few weeks later you're getting bonus rolls for guaranteed myth track items and myth track from your vault. It was way too fast this season, period. Yeah, bro. I
content to push their profit margin. You're right. Walmart, baby. You're right. Content is [ __ ] the quality is [ __ ] and I'm [ __ ] addicted to it. So, who has the problem now? Obviously
me. [ __ ] I actually think the content's very good. No, I'm just joking. No, the con- the content's awesome. I love old >> Work up to mythic rating with these bonus rolls, no excuse anymore. I mean,
there's the excuse of Same here. I mean, sure, man. You ever have the excuse of maybe you're just not being good enough? No excuses. Yeah, some people just [ __ ] It is what it is.
>> What do you mean, like raid gear? Or if you got Oh, crest. >> Interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. I I guess. I don't know. But get- But farming a raid for crest just feels like
[ __ ] Like that's not fun. I want fun. You know what they need to get rid of? Is the the amount of power scaling from crafted spark items. That shit's too strong. Like that [ __ ] is disgusting. I craft my
one spark weapon, I never have to get a weapon again. I [ __ ] hate that in World of Warcraft. Nothing pisses me off more than week [ __ ] two, I craft my weapon, and I never have to get a weapon again all season. The only chase items
really worth chasing that are fun is trinkets. That's it. I hate it so much. Yeah, it'd be nice to like if if I got a hero weapon from a raid, like it's an upgrade or something I look forward
to. Cool. Imagine hero weapons from raids are just vendor trash. Or like really farming like pre-bis. Like I mean, I did that this season. >> mythic plus makes it so pre-bis is irrelevant.
That's a that's a that's a symptom of mythic plus being a thing. I don't know. It pisses me off. I think general in retail needs to be cleaned up, like substantially. It's a [ __ ]
>> Well, I will say the Dragonflight rework did did a lot of good. um main issue is more mythic gear from Main issue is if they reward mythic gear from heroic
raids which still give you AOTC, mythic rating would be obsolete. That's not really mythic raid for gear, they mythic raid for the achieve. anyways. What do you mean? That's a false statement. That's not a good take.
A bad take. Um feel like the logic could be applied run tens for gear. Anything higher is for the achievements. So the format's find something unique for mythic raiders and then there is no reason we get myth
from heroic raids. It may be a a thing in the future. I don't know. It's tough. I Once again, I think gearing in retail is jackass to yell and cry about it and not and be the
guy that doesn't have the answer or solution to it. I hate being that guy. I does that, but it is what it is, man. I don't know. Um my two cents to help with tank drought in mythic plus.
drought in mythic plus. Give all tanks a call to arms satchel on top of the end dungeon reward. W. This will give them additional gold and some and pay for repair bills which negatively affects the tanks the most.
Give tanks two additional crest per run as well as an award. I don't know about But other things to incentivize them like potential chances at crafting like potential chances at crafting recipes, maybe an augment rune, gold,
use on your gear to save gold. Like stuff like that. Yeah, that's abs- that should That should have been in the game years ago. Yeah. Like you need to keep incentivizing tanks and healers as much as possible. And augmentation evocers.
I want to see more of them. Yeah, 100%. If you have a a prog for her- What? If you have a prog for heroic raids to mythic piece, it could help push people to attempt mythic. Most
score. Well, let me tell you, gear score in retail is pretty important. I'm going to be real with you right now. I remember there were some points where like I was four five item level behind and then I
shot up, you know, literally on a Tuesday reset, got item level, jumped up like six or seven between a mythic track vault and then a spark craft and I felt like my character was a superhero. So, like I don't know, bro. I feel like gear
score in retail is super important. Uh speaking the way that people have run tank. Want to gear an alt slightly quicker, play that alt as a tank spec available, maybe healers too. Don't have
doing tens or dailies for gold, make gold to cover consumes. Yeah, I mean, thoughts on this? That is I mean, that's an easy like Um but I think
they have to just make tanks more fun to play in general. Yeah, like they're just not that much fun to play. Like there should be abilities for tanks that were like you charge it up from getting hit. Like
the more you get [ __ ] on, you charge this thing up and it it turns burst of damage. Or something like that. You got to make tanks more fun. Also, make them feel powerful. Yeah, definitely make tanks feel
stronger. Shaman tank, yeah, true. We need more tank specs, too. That would be play for like a month. I just If Once again, it goes back to if they're not responsibility they do, if you're not tank player, you're not
Playing a tank in World of Warcraft is exhausting. All the responsibility's on bill. You're the one that gets pointed at first if you guys don't make the time You're the one pointed at first if you pull too big. You're the one that's at
fault if you let someone die. Like everything is the tank's fault and no >> [music] >> And the reward is what? No one even says thanks or invites you back. Yeah.
They don't have to do and they don't have to do top damage, but like I'm sure prop paladins like when they pull freaking a massive ton of AoE and they could do competitive damage in a poll. Yeah, I
mean, I don't know. I'm not sure what Like what is it as a tank that makes you love playing tank? Like what is it? Like what's the big >> probably like being like feeling like the leader.
I figure if someone who loves tank, I'm sure that has something to do with it I don't know. Um Tanks are a special type of roulette for tanks. I'd rather know I have a good
team over getting a few thousand gold. Tank drive is okay as long as it's ice All right, man. I'll show you a cool picture. See you later. Okay, I'm not reading that. There's one proven way to get more people to tank. That is to make
tanks OP. Make them all able to largely sustain themselves through decent gameplay. Have them do 2/3 to 3/4 of a DPS specs damage. If you look back to correlates to when tanks were generally overpowered. Do tanks need to just be
overpowered for them to be played? I mean, you have to make them just super people will equate that with fun and more people will play them. 100%. I more people will play them. 100%. I mean, that's that's a fact.
this new What is it? Lindormi's Guidance? Or is it Dormi? That's a good step in the right direction. Now, if you have that plus like they could really make a big difference, that could help a lot.
[ __ ] you're right. Well, that's why you can't have them do the same damage as a DPS. >> Well, they can't deal the same damage >> what you could do is you could let them do pretty decent AoE damage. Just make
them not competitive in single target. Yeah. Sure. tank a bunch of strangers who refuse to interrupt or take their finger off their >> But that's crazy. Uh-oh. I don't know. There
to be a tank epidemic in World of Warcraft where it just feels like there's no tanks. I don't know. What is fun for tanking if it's not the damage? Sometimes people just like being the front line. Like I've seen people in the
comment section being like, "I love being the guy that leads and takes all the hits and absorbs all the blows and groups up the mobs." Like that's what Much love, Exonic. You're going to miss the Azral draft, so make sure to catch
the replay. Uh if you could look like any WoW race in real life, which would you pick? This is what I thought this was a good >> I'm definitely picking Vulpera. Well, it says in there you cannot pick human or
blood elf or you explode. >> Oh, [ __ ] context of WoW, I don't think I'd mind being a Dracthyr. What? You'd be the scaly boys? If not with the innate magic that is implied in the Evoker class,
that is implied in the Evoker class, then because of the wings. Guys, what would you be if you could be any race in World of Warcraft? Gnome.
A gnome? Yeah, bro. That's horrible. Hey. How are you? That's sick. With big ass goggles >> want to I don't want to be bald, too.
I'm bald, baby. You want to be You want to be a bald gnome? Yeah. That sounds Hey. You're a tall one. You're like super smart and [ __ ] >> Honestly, all jokes aside, dwarf would
cool. >> You're a hairy drunk loser. What? Yo, they're fire. What? Like especially like those those dwarves
What is it called? >> The Eerie dwarves? No, the yeah, the >> Worgen, big balls. >> That's crazy. I mean, worgen so I could bite people that bother me. That's crazy. [laughter]
god. A female dwarf, that's crazy. you guys be, man? You got to let me know. Honestly. Kind of want to be an undead.
You're [ __ ] fried. What? >> Then again, if you pick night elf, you just live forever. Night elf is good. That's pretty sick. Night elf is pretty good. I mean, that's that's awesome. And
so. I would love to be a cute little little vulpera and I hope hope hope my boyfriend would pick worgen.
sh strong and I can rub his squishy belly. Like that? You know, this is why >> This is why I hate the forms. This is
>> This is why I hate the forms. This is it. And I hate to call you out, amatox. Warcraft and modern World of Warcraft. This [ __ ] You want to rub your worgen boyfriend's belly. I'm going to be honest, I think he would
Let's be real. You would 100% be eaten and the fact that you double down on your a furry, he's a furry. immediately. Don't don't kink shame, bro.
all right, that's enough of that form freak out. I definitely got my fix of >> No, I believe me that was >> Bro, they were going to get good. >> I've definitely seen enough. It's Tuesday {slash} Wednesday and
you're mad. This happens every Tuesday. Nothing new. It could be worse. Could be 6th. First of all, Warlords launch was great. Let's not sit here and pretend like it wasn't fire. I'm not Hold on. Hold on. I'm not talking about the
about playing Warlords of Draenor launch. Relax. the servers were down. >> Okay, I'll give you that. that's crazy. Of course it's Tuesday and I'm mad. I'm mad every day.
>> Mad uh as in crazy or in angry? I've been crazy all my life but I rarely get angry. I'm big chilling and satisfactory. Might not even play Wild today at all. That's my secret. I'm always angry. All right, Avengers take
it easy. Only children are mad every day. I'm cruising. Chill as you. Tricks was sleeping in today. Dude, I don't know. Listen, guys got to understand the forms are a really special place on earth, okay? You
get the biggest D gens. There's people who come on here every single day and post, make posts, the whole nine. They do it.
And as of lately with my warlock, I'm one of them. But I don't forms. >> I don't conversate. I've never seen you post once. Yeah, cuz I'm in the warlock affliction warlock discussion channel.
general discussion all the time. >> I'm not in general discussion. That arguments. to see me argue with people on the forums. You can find me there. You are
argue with you. >> Do you really? Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh ladies and gentlemen, enough talk about the forums. It's time for a draft. Welcome to the Azaroth
draft. No guides, no tier list, just raw opinions and impossible choices. Every week we put everything in World of Warcraft on the table. Raids, classes, zones, mounts, weapons, villains, expansions, and then we draft them head
to head. And you never know what's coming next. One bad pick can ruin the list, and you as the viewer decide if it's a good take or a terrible one. This it's a good take or a terrible one. This is the Azaroth draft.
Yeah. Is it really? Are you sure? It said my sound was like peaking. Scott. Yo, can anyone confirm if that Scott. Yo, can anyone confirm if that intro audio was low? Am I crazy?
I'm going to >> Sounded pretty [ __ ] loud from here. with this mediocrity anymore. Sound was low. It was quieter. I Wait. Damn, I'll have to figure that out, but
No, my bad. Yo. Yo guys, my bad. Yo guys, my bad. It was really low compared to you all. right, anyways. Ladies and gentlemen,
for the Azaroth draft. >> Guys, I can't look at the screen, so I'm going to look at my phone so I don't cheat for a second. Uh yes, so guys, part is a brand new segment we have going on where we all together
collectively go through this, and we ask Lance some questions. He answers them the best he could, and then you guys at the end of it decide if it's a W or an L take. And if it's an overall like sort of sentiment of W's by the end of the
the the segment, then Lance wins. If not, he loses and the audience and we win. So, let's get on through it. The first one of
Who's ready for this chat? If you guys are hyped in the chat, let's get some in the chat.
know what happened with that uh that whole thing there. I'm going to have to figure that out. I don't know what that was. Uh okay. Let's kick start the first one.
Your eyes are here. You understand? If your eyes leave from this region or mine, that's a point taken off. You're done. You understand? You're done You're done. You understand? You're done for the round. Thou done.
first one. Uh that wasn't my first one. Hold on. I Uh that wasn't my first one. Hold on. I think it's messed up. Hold on.
No. Okay. And you settle down. Sorry, there's a 90 million technical difficulties. Guys, million technical difficulties. Guys, I'm I'm
jump over this table. And I'm going to begin to strangle you in a second. Okay. >> Am I done? You're donezo. It's over for uh >> Let me get to the actual one now. There
Oh, guys, I just got a message from my wife. My son has pooped himself in the car. That's No diaper on. Okay. Okay, all jokes aside here we go. Okay chat listen up here it is.
Okay rank these five expansion features without knowing what's coming next. without knowing what's coming next. Number one Mythic plus from Legion.
Warcraft. All right I'm going to put it at two. Billy you can't you can't you can never put the first one at number one. Cannot. Wow. So I'll put it at number two. Mythic plus does a lot it gives a
lot it gives the game infinite replayability if you like it. >> Okay so what about this one delves from the war within? Oh yeah I get to put delves at three under Mythic plus. This is not even not
even a list for what I think personally. I'll put delves at three. >> Guys yo he put Mythic plus two delves at three. Are we agreeing so far? Guys >> I love delves some of my favorite content out there.
>> this is another one. Transmog from cat. One. >> fine. It's fine. Transmog Transmog is the best feature they've added ever? >> yeah definitely 100%. Wait a second.
>> yeah definitely 100%. Wait a second. Guys he just put transmog as number one. That is bold. That is bold I'm not going to lie that's a pretty Listen I love transmog. That's a bold one to put that above Mythic plus. Okay the next one
Wait all the classic players are going to be so angry at that. Yes they are. And listen in classic I would never want transmog I want to make But I think for retail it's one of the things that keeps the game going.
The next one is artifact weapon. What do I have left what numbers? >> Numbers four and five. Four okay. I mean you got to do it. Now, the next one I was going to put housing, but that was a
Brand new. You can't Yeah, you can't really put that yet. And I I it's it's very early in its conception. So, we we went back to the old days of TBC when they first integrated and expanded upon dungeons, the first iteration
dungeons from TBC. >> fine. That could be number five. It could be number five. I I think that's fair to leave that comfortably at number five. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, so let's take a look at it really quick.
So, he got transmog as number one. Listen, ready? Here it is. Rank these Listen, ready? Here it is. Rank these five expansion features without knowing what comes next. He put transmog at one, Mythic Plus at
two, delves at three, artifact weapons at four, and heroic dungeons at five. I I will admit Wait, but you guys have to decide. You have to decide before Lance gets into his point. Is this a win or an L? Is this a W or an L take? Win
or lose? Did Lance win or lose here? Honestly, for a blind ranking, not bad. I would say it's pretty good. Like, I don't know. I would maybe change one or two things, but for doing it blind, that's that's close to what I would say.
I think I would change transmog. I think, man, this is such a hot take. It's [ __ ] hard It's hard. This is a hard discussion. First of all, having Mythic Plus and delves in a conversation is already hard enough cuz you're
casuals or people who like to push and sweat. Period. There's no in-betweens. Like, it's very difficult. Actually, I think that list, if I'm thinking for not Yeah. >> community, I think that's it's almost
spot on to what I would say except maybe I'd put artifact weapons at five and heroic dungeons at four. I don't know. Yeah, artifact weapons are good though, man. Such a fun expansion long system. Honestly, it could have
expansion. >> rather have artifact weapons right now craft them every [ __ ] season. >> 100% I would much rather them bring artifact weapons back than this [ __ ] we have
right now with retail where we're just spark crafting weapons without a doubt. good one, too. But I feel like that kind >> Probably wouldn't put that at number one, either. No, I you can't.
Cuz that was a one and done. Mythic plus and delves, these are evergreen. You one. >> do rate this as a W. Lance is one for one so far, guys. Okay. >> Bingo. Okay, ready? No cheating though,
>> I'm not looking. So, guys, overall I would say that was a Overall, I would say that was a pretty good one. You did pretty good there. I'm not going to lie. I'll give you that. I'll give you that.
Hello? Music?
animation list. Sorry, guys. Remember, Lance, you're only looking here. You understand? Hear me. Okay, rank these five classic WoW starting zones without knowing what
comes next. >> Wait. Starting zones as in like literal >> Okay. Okay. Okay. >> The first one is Teldrassil.
>> It's It's one of the mid starting zones, I would say. It's It's my first one I've some nostalgia for that. It's the first My first character was a night elf rogue named Magamore. Remember that very clearly. Number three. But I'll put it
number three. I think if you're just just the initial starting zone. >> Not like once you get to level five through 10. I thought you meant one through like five. Hold on, if you're going one
[ __ ] Teldrassil. >> Okay, hold on. Then I change it. >> Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. So >> Wake up. Use your [ __ ] head. Okay, >> Open your eyes. You're on a game show in front of 900 people. Wake up.
No, I'll keep it three. >> [laughter] >> Okay, okay, okay, okay. All jokes aside though, okay, three. Okay, that's that's
not bad. It Honestly, I love that starting zone. I think it's very We've been through that starting zone together, me and you, a dozen times. Maybe more. Yeah. Okay, so guys, remember as we go through this list, I
too, in YouTube and Twitch chat. Twitch chat's going crazy with their rankings. ranking. So let's get it going. >> YouTube, don't let me down, especially when I know you guys have more viewers. >> Okay, ready? The next one is Durotar.
>> I have a lot of good memories there, man. It's too. Wow. What? I mean, the amount of trolls and orcs we've leveled together through there, just hanging out. Actually, it was so good that if I ever made an
undead, I would just go there even. Wow. Back in the old days. I mean, it's very good. Now, wait a second. Are we talking modern versions or vanilla versions? >> put that two. I'll put that two. It's fair. I mean, you also have the the the
buccaneers you got to go fight. you got to go to Durotar, Island. Yeah, you have >> are good. A lot of good quests >> Fizzcrank A Fair. Listen, it's a very respectable too. The Harpies. Those [ __ ] Harpies worst mobs. The third one, Dun
Morogh. Wow, wait a second. Dun Morogh, we're talking about the gnome and dwarf place, guys. He already put Durotar at two, Teldrassil at three. The question is This is the problem with blind ranking.
Lance is already [ __ ] himself. Okay? Because is he going to put that as the best racial starting zone? It's impossible. It's four. Is it Yeah. Got impossible. It's four. Is it Yeah. Got to be four. Cuz it's not five.
Because I have to hold five in case you give me Mulgore. give me Mulgore. I have to hold five for that. That's the worst swamp ass zone. It's swamp ass? Yeah, it's swamp ass.
It's horrible. It's actually the reason I never make taurens. That's how bad it >> Really? Yeah, I hate I hate Mulgore. But you love tauren hunter. I love tauren. I favorite races in the game. I was really seeing if I could bait you into putting
Dun Morogh at one. Yeah. The next one's Elwynn Forest. That's number one. Yeah. Man, I'm glad you didn't add Eversong Woods. Guys, where would you rank Elwynn Forest? Is Elwynn Forest number one? We got to be real, no
[ __ ] I mean Listen, let's Let's just be real. Elwynn Forest is the best classic starting zone in the It's It's not even close. It's the best mobs to fight in the game. It's [ __ ] beautiful. You're
fighting murlocs. The quest zone hubs are great. You have Hogger, the best elite quest one through 10. Like It's not even close. The music is the best. best classic starting zone. >> For this list
it wasn't blind. I think that would be my list. I was going to put Tirisfal but I knew Mulgore was the like something has to be five. You have to have a [ __ ] And sadly, I'm going to be real, I would put Mulgore at five as
well. I would personally, man, it's tough. These are There's some good zones zone, Durotar was a good zone, Teldrassil was a good zone. There's a lot of good zones. It's hard to rank these guys.
and gentlemen, is this a W or an L take from Lance? Did is this a W or an L take from Lance? Did he do this good or did he succeed? Did
he succeed succeed or fail? You guys got to let me know. With all things considered, blind takes and everything. Big L. Okay, we got an L. Technically, someone said L. That's another L. That's two L's.
thinking? We got to be real. We got to be real here, chat. This is the decider right here. I'm going to start getting the sec the other one ready. I mean, you have to you have to have the smarts to hold num
That's why you can never put the the how no matter how good the first option is, it could never be number one. Dude, that's a lot of L's, guys. I'm going to be honest. More L's than I thought. I know, it's
kind of 50/50 right now, guys. Wait, hold on. No, because Barrens is not a part of Durotar. You do not get Barrens chat in Durotar. So, you cannot say that. Jokes on you. You remember one through 10 starter
through 11, one through 12 if you do every single quest. Uh but it's realistically one through one through 11-ish, 12-ish. I just [ __ ] That's about right. Yeah. Yeah.
Um okay, guys, here is the next question, okay? We got a few more to go Then we got like three or four. Um Oh, [ __ ] Okay, rank these five expansion capital cities without knowing the next one. The first one is
Shattrath. TBC, Burning Crusade Shattrath. How we feeling? Three. Oh. And I love Oh. TBC. Capital of the Draenei.
>> But I'll put it at I'll put it at three. >> Sad what happened to that capital, by the way. Absolute disaster. Tragedy. Tragedy. Ooh, some people said five. Some people said five on Shattrath. Listen, if
you're asking me Guys, if you're asking me personally You guys you have to save five for Oribos. Spoiler alert, Oribos is not on the list. [ __ ] I'm just being honest.
>> [music] >> The next one is Midnight Silvermoon City. Wait, if you're saying expansion Expansion capitals, man. Wake up. But so not like original capitals, though. No.
have to ask my questions. You want me to blind rank? I need to I need to extract as much info out of you as I can to make proper blind rankings. So you can't get [ __ ] >> I'm sorry. Was Stormwind introduced in
This Stormwind was introduced in Cataclysm, you [ __ ] >> Okay, that'd be different. I Yeah, but okay. That's not what we're saying here. okay. That's not what we're saying here. The next one, Midnight Silvermoon City.
>> two. I can put it at two. I'll put it at two. Solid two. It's one of my favorites >> Listen, you already have Shattrath at three. Yeah. Shattrath is kind of a dump, like
post-invasion. >> Should've put it at four. >> Okay. >> S and L list already. [ __ ]
Pandaria. Five. I didn't like it either. >> Yeah, it's pretty ass. >> It's a It's a very whack capital. >> Not that I don't Like at least it's like, you know, it's compact. So, you
>> It's a literally ass five. >> It's literally the size of a small >> Yeah, yeah, it's five. Yeah, I I think I I have I've seen KFCs that are bigger. >> [laughter] >> Okay?
everything? >> I'm 100% >> Um the next one is Valdrakken. So, you have slot one Definitely not one. and four left. I can put it at
Yeah, I think four it has to be Yeah, that's good cuz it's Listen, it's not bad It's not um It's not Shrine bad. Guys, you cuz you guys got to answer in
terms of what we're left on the blind. You don't just simply go That's number two. It's not on the board yet, guys. Yeah, I can't say I can't say what's on This is the This is the sucky thing of
It's the we come back kids. That's obvious. No [ __ ] guys. It'd be like You can give anyone the list completely and they'd be able to like 90% of us would be able to match our list. The whole game is blind. Like that's what makes
>> why you I have to ask questions. >> And the last one is Wrath of the Lich Okay, yeah, I mean, you could put that at one. Listen, I don't know about you It's amazing. >> New Silvermoon is better than that. I
>> I was actually saving one for um Warlords? No, War Within. Really? I really love that. >> Dorna Gall? You forgot the [ __ ] name. >> I do. He forgot the name. He was going to put it at one. What a schmuck.
You're crazy. Listen, Dorna Gall was pretty good. I I don't there. I would probably rate it like B+ tier. Uh but Dalaran music, I think it's perfect size. It's not too big. It's beautiful. The music is amazing, nice to
look at. It's just it's classy, clean. Very good. I don't know, I love it. I I switched two and one and then the rest probably the same. honestly a modern-day revamp of Dalaran, like which we're
We're probably not getting a Dalaran ever again considering the never again. No, never ever. They did that story where they said the mages came together, maybe it's best we don't try to control things from our city in the sky.
don't need it a third time. I'm all right. I don't know. I I can get it a right. I'm good. >> [laughter] >> Okay. Actually, we were talking about this in Discord yesterday.
Yeah, in general chat we were talking about what the what the capital of last actually talking with Ramph about it. That's so funny.
goat. Can't look at the chat anymore, guys, ready? Okay, this is a this is a very tough to dissect it and ask a lot of questions. There is a lot of people who
argue about this constantly. Better be a good one, boy. Rank these five World of Warcraft cinematics without knowing what's coming next. First up, World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King. Like
the expansion cinematic. The expansion cinematic. It's a good one. I could put it at three. Really? Three? Yeah, cuz I'm going to give myself a good baseline. Dude. Well,
because it's not as good as the BFA one, right? That one is freaking I mean, stressing me out. And it's not as good as the Legion one. It's a [ __ ] good ex Every time I see it. Yeah, but I have to
Every time I see it. Yeah, but I have to hold one and two for Legion and BFA. right. Maybe I end up being wrong at the end.
Maybe I end up being wrong at the end. Wrath of the Lich King is number three.
All right, that's where I can you know what? >> The thing is I like all of them a lot. So, it's like None of this is not This doesn't mean they're bad. I could put it at four.
the Wrath of the Lich King cinematic. You have to. It's okay. That doesn't mean it's bad, but it's just not as good as Wrath's. It's also not the worst cinematic ever. >> Also not the worst. Something's got to
go to five. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Do me. Do me another. World of Warcraft Do me. Do me another. World of Warcraft Warlords of Draenor.
two? Got to save number one. I'm holding out. I'm I'm playing the I'm going like Warlords was a really good expansion Garrosh.
Draenor. >> They [ __ ] cooked. Got that son of a [ __ ] and they dead him. Yeah, they cooked. They fix what the biggest wrongs chill. They got him right in his [ __ ] head. That's what I'm talking about.
That gets me hyped. Right now thinking about it gets me amped up. Number two. No other expansion gets me dialed in than Warlords of Draenor cinematic. than Warlords of Draenor cinematic. Saving [ __ ] his people. Epic.
right in your face. >> better, but Really? You like BFA better? Definitely. It's funny. Uh Battle for Azeroth one. Wow. You son of a [ __ ] Why you hold baby? Why you always hold
your face. >> You got to explain why BFA is number one, you son of a [ __ ] Like let me explain to the people. little shorts and people are [laughter] going to call me an idiot cuz I didn't
>> all right. This guy doesn't know ball. Oh, he's an idiot. I've never seen a good video from these kids. BFA is some really good cinema, like In BFA you get to see so many different like races and classes be cool. You get to see shamans,
you get to see hunters shooting [ __ ] you get to see draenei paladins killing [ __ ] you get to see tauren warriors rampaging through Great cinematic. >> It It's It's probably known as the best
I I I could agree. The last one was World of Warcraft classic. Hold that on your face. >> not number one. It's good, but it's not number one. Not my problem. I probably wouldn't put
it at five. There's one thing, ladies and gentlemen, there's there's two cinematics ever that give me goosebumps that give me goosebumps every single time I see the expansion
cinematic. Wrath of the Lich King and World of Warcraft classic. Every single time I see those expansions, I get goosebumps without a doubt. Every time. Doesn't matter.
So, the problem and the question is to you all, ladies and gentlemen, is this a proper top five ranking of the line? Switch Midnight for five, put WoW classic at four, and that's probably what my list
would be. Probably. Wrath, BFA, Midnight wad for me. I think Wrath was sub par. Ooh. Yeah, I mean it's just Arthas, man. It's Arthas. You put Arthas on anything.
>> Like I'm sorry, it's not >> That's three L's in the chat so far, I'm sorry. I think BFA is the best cinematic they've ever done. Listen, Lance. So far, this is a >> way, I'm glad you didn't put War Within
the War Within cinematic. What's that again? Anduin. Oh, yeah. That was a [ __ ] peak cinematic. I will actually agree with you. I I actually unironically think that was a
great cinematic. I'm actually >> Actually, that one gives me goosebumps. you're actually right, by the way. That one gave me a shitload of goosebumps for one gave me a shitload of goosebumps for a very long time.
This one isn't really a top five. It's really a can you guess? And well, I gave Lance a can you guess before as a top five. And well, he did it in about 2 seconds last episode. So this one we're going to have to do it together
and sort of dial it in. Okay? First, I'm going to name the bit and then Lance will start going through it, okay? Go ahead.
Okay, ready? Yep. Can you name every race class? Hold on, Can you name every race class? Hold on, wait. each race's coolest class combo in classic World of Warcraft?
>> Where are you getting your data from? This is just general on forms and Okay. >> [ __ ] on the that I found. So now when we say coolest, think of like iconic. Go ahead. >> thinking World of Warcraft
>> a race. we're thinking iconic. Are you going to give me a race and then I say a class? Or. Dwarf, Hunter. You're right.
Dwarf hunter is correct. Easy. Right off the bat. We'll start with just just this Paladin. Oh. The [ __ ] knows ball. He knows ball. Okay.
next one. Ready? Let's see if you got this one. Night elf. Druid. Oh. Night elf druids are fire. All right, ready?
Undead. Rogue. Really? >> Or warlock. Ooh. This is the tough one. This is the 50/50 one that honestly think? Is it undead warlock or undead rogue?
could go 50/50. There's I've seen so many PvP videos with an undead rogue slow walking. Undead.
So, when I think undead, I think rogue. >> Yeah. probably warlock is probably the answer, but for me it's rogue. Um the answer was undead warlock. Um Okay, so I was wrong. Orc. Shaman.
Orc shaman thrall. I mean that's just spells. You could say warrior, too, I would I would say. If there was a warrior race, it would be the orc. Could be. But shaman is the first one. Gnome. Mage.
Got to be mage. You can't not have gnome mage on [music] the list. Gnome mage is they just they're iconic. Tauran.
That was the answer. Druid. And then the last one, troll. This is you answer. I saved this for the last because this is the hardest one. Troll.
No, it [clears throat] was Hunter. Believe it or not. But I don't know because like I feel like a troll warrior could be fire too >> Yeah, but most of the times if you see trolls in the world, they're hunters.
when I would play classic, most of the time when I saw a troll, it was a hunter. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you guys got to think, okay, like anytime I saw this race, what was the most like often class that I saw?
Even like human could go warrior too. Human warrior, human paladin, holy [ __ ] I mean, human anything. So dominant. So the list was dwarf hunter, human paladin, night elf druid, undead warlock, orc shaman, gnome mage,
tauren druid, and troll hunter. Thoughts on that? right. Like when you think of when you see a player of this race, what class right. I think throwing axes, but that [ __ ]
doesn't exist. Yeah. He 100% this. Yeah, by the way Well, I got undead rogue. I said undead rogue first. He was Yeah, he was a bit off about the rogue, but he got about 80 something percent of them right.
Pretty good to me. Kul Tiran pimp. >> [laughter] >> Yo, pretty good. I mean, there's some other ones uh that we could go through. I think we
have a little bit of time. Oh, but I don't have the animations right. [ __ ] No. I didn't think about that. Whatever, I'll just save these for next episode. But damn, I mean, that was a W too. So overall guys, Lance only [ __ ] messed
up one out of out of five. Once again. He only He only got an L take on one of these out of five. So big W. Damn. Pretty good. Oh. What did you guys think
of the segment, man? Honestly. Azeroth draft. We do have uh we do have a story from Juan Epstein. Do we have enough time? Cuz this is a serious story, and I I don't want to rush this story. This is a story that's probably going to take
like a good 25-30 minutes minimum, and I want to talk about it, go through it. episode. I think I think that might have to be Maybe we'll just go through a a quick memory lane real quick instead.
Cuz these are quick. Uh We should have also a shorter story. thought I was just I took too long in the [ __ ] weekly cool down, bro. That about news that didn't even [ __ ] matter. Um new stuff is solid. Yeah,
Glad you guys liked it. Um let's take a second now and go to take a trip down Quick stroll down memory lane where we revisit iconic moments from WoW, old
YouTube gems, and the legendary collapse that shaped the game we all fell in love that shaped the game we all fell in love with. Now, let's jump right into it. a trip down memory lane where we go through old nostalgic World of Warcraft
videos and stuff on YouTube and break down why we fell in love with WoW. here. Let me fix Lance's camera a little bit. You're looking a little bit off-center. Can't have that. Um This one is called Death Knight Spree.
Does anyone know this? In the chat. Does anyone know It's classic. this video, the Death Knight Spree? I've I don't know. I've never heard of that. What is that? I don't know. Uh all jokes aside, let's uh let's jump
right into it. Where's my volume? I have seen it. >> [laughter]
I have to say this really quick. These videos had such a big influence on me when I was a kid. To the point where I would watch it.
And I remember being at school singing this song to myself looking like a complete [ __ ] wack job. To everyone probably. I didn't know what the I didn't know the original song. AI slob, that's good.
Yo. I didn't know there was I didn't know this was an Eminem song either. I thought this was just him whipping it Yeah. Actually I I didn't know any of the
original songs that he made or that he took from. I just thought he made these [ __ ] goat. I was like, "Yo, this guy's insane." music. Like, "Yo, these bars are sick as [ __ ]
>> [laughter] >> Bro, this guy's sick."
>> The first time I heard the original song of this, I was out at a bar with my wife. >> [laughter] >> And I was like, "Yo, is that N.E.R.D.?"
I was like, "Wait, he's not saying the lyrics right." I'm like, "This is Death And she looked at me and said, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" >> long did you like How long did it take you to figure that out? I was in my 20s.
I was Dog. This was like This is 5 years ago, 6 years ago. That's recently. Yeah, like maybe like right before COVID. Brother. >> Yeah. I realized this [ __ ] in like
middle school, high school. I don't listen to rap music, bro. what you mean? What Then he finally learned Santa isn't real. I don't I don't listen to rap music at all. So, I I did not know. Yo, you're good.
>> I I literally was like, "This is not the right song." Like, we are you talking about?" Yo. >> And then I played her the song and she "Oh my god, you're a dork." >> [laughter]
>> I said, "I guess so." Yo, I'm telling you Yeah, no, that's crazy. I don't know. I don't know what to say. It took you that long to figure out that Eminem made these songs? Like, half of his
[ __ ] tracks on N.E.R.D.? Bro, I mean, That's crazy. Eminem's versions are [ __ ] you might be right. He's not talking about Should I care >> you're right. Yo, I will say though, the amount of work that it took to probably
amount of work that it took to probably make these videos is absolutely out of control. Like, you guys don't You have no idea what the these out in a green screen on the freaking Wow 3D model viewer,
bring them up on a probably a busted-up ass PC. Like, yo, we we we don't know what we have until until we got to take it away. I'll tell you that much. >> [music]
Conjuring movie. Conjuring movie. >> [laughter] >> IF you notice, he's always making fun of paladins and shamans in his videos.
Like every video he's making fun of paladins and shamans. Every single time. today. You're probably right. So, yo, the amount of paladins, ret paladins, there are in World of Warcraft
is astonishing. It's the most played class. And that's the most played spec in the game. It's insanity. I had no idea. Like I Like I knew there was a lot of ret paladins, but like like
substantially by far they're the most played spec in the entire game. I mean, it makes so much sense. >> Get rid of them. Delete. Delete them. That's what I was thinking.
[music] [singing]
Lich King, how many active subscribers were there? Like what was the peak? >> Over 13 million? How much money is that a month? That's like That's like close to >> Well, what's 200 * 13?
>> Well, what's 200 * 13? >> to 200 million dollars a month. Bro. That is That is a piss load of money. That's insane. A month.
A [ __ ] month. By the way, if a game came out today and it just made $200 million, $300 million, it'd be a success. Very successful game. They were success. Very successful game. They were making that [ __ ] in a month on repeat.
That shit's crazy. Don't jump change the gotcha games? It's $180 million per month, but then also the expansion itself was what? 40
bucks? Boy, were they packing. Boy, were they packing. Yeah. mounts? I think it was got to, right? I think so. Yeah.
The What was the aspects one, the golden aspect one? Holy [ __ ] Yo. The amount of money wow was making when it was at its peak, I couldn't imagine. making more money now.
Eventually. I think because of >> wow tokens and skins and mounts they >> They needed to do better than You [ __ ] better. machinima [music] I mean, seeing old videos like this, bro, it brings me right back to when I was in
instantaneously. When did you guys start playing World of Warcraft and you like discovered machinima? You guys Do you guys know that age? I would say for us it was like what? Like 10 years old, nine, 11? Around there.
>> Just balling. That's when we were in third, fourth grade. Insane. I mean, what a W. It was a great I freaking love them. I love them to death. Wow has gotcha? Uh,
does wow have gotcha? I think so. Uh, is it isn't gotcha based off like random chance? I don't think wow has gotcha.
Red vs. Blue was my first time watching machinima. Ooh, that's a good one. >> [laughter] >> Fun fact, wow existed before YouTube. Holy [ __ ] You're right, actually. Wow does not have gotcha. Yeah, I didn't
started. Damn, what a W. I love seeing old videos There's so many more videos we're going to dive into and get into. He freaking of the ones we already did earlier on. 100%. Cuz too many good ones to get
>> who did not watch them with us. >> Too many good ones to get through. Um that is going to uh I guess wrap up today's episode. Um that is that is That's everything I got, man. I I put it all out on the line. I did I did what I
can and uh put it out there. But also, guys, don't forget um couple things. Where is I love how Really?
way. Um guys, I'm going to end Discord tomorrow. I'm going to announce the winners of that uh the elk mounts for get read, you were still in the running.
I'm going to announce the two winners tomorrow. but we ran out of time. No big deal. I'm still just going to announce tomorrow. So, if you submitted a story, you're in the running for a chance to
have two channels right here that I'm linking in the chat that we're posting a lot more content on. Uh we have the Comeback City Show channel where we're posting obviously shorts and highlights from the show you see here, as well as
some other stuff, as well as news. Then we also have the Comeback Kids TV where it's sort of just uh you know, just shorts as well but then also sort of just bite-sized fire off content from me.
these out. Two really good channels if you want to see more comeback kids content. But yeah that's that's all. We'll be back Saturday night. We're going to try to get once again [ __ ] heroic Laura down like
I'm hostage nerfed Laura. I'm hostage until this boss gets down but that's about it for me guys. I love you all very very very much. God bless you guys. We will see you Saturday night chilling out vibing. I love you. Peace out. God
out vibing. I love you. Peace out. God bless. We'll see you in the next one.