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title: 'Have we reached Peak Franchise Fatigue? - Why MOTU Bombed'
source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZvOFVVNGGFM'
video_id: 'ZvOFVVNGGFM'
date: 2026-06-28
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# Have we reached Peak Franchise Fatigue? - Why MOTU Bombed

> Source: [Have we reached Peak Franchise Fatigue? - Why MOTU Bombed](https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZvOFVVNGGFM)

## Summary

The panel discusses the box office failure of the 2025 'Masters of the Universe' movie, analyzing its performance, the film's merits and flaws, and the broader trend of franchise fatigue affecting major Hollywood series like Fast and Furious and Mission: Impossible. They debate whether the audience's shift to streaming and the lack of a major movie star in the lead role were the primary causes for the film's underperformance.

### Key Points

- **Core Thesis: Franchise Fatigue** [0:33] — The host, Ryan, introduces the core question: why did 'Masters of the Universe' bomb? He suggests it might be a sign of broader franchise fatigue.
- **Streaming Culture Hurts Theaters** [37:28] — The audience has been conditioned to wait for streaming, as theatrical windows have shortened significantly (now often 4-6 weeks).
- **Lack of a Movie Star Villain** [48:49] — Jared Leto's Skeletor is a divisive point, with some finding him the best part and others, the worst. The panel notes the lack of a 'movie star' in a prominent role (like Jim Carrey's in Sonic) hurt the film's appeal.
- **Film feels derivative: 'Diet Thor Ragnarok'** [10:53] — The movie is criticized for feeling like 'Diet Thor Ragnarok', with too much meta-humor and a rushed, underdeveloped first act.
- **Box Office Data Supports Franchise Decline** [41:41] — Data shows clear box office decline in major franchises like Fast & Furious and Mission: Impossible, indicating audience fatigue with sequels.

## Transcript

Let's rewind. Rewind.
Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I
am your host, Ryan Ary, and today we're
talking about the movie of my dreams,
Masters of the Universe. This movie is
the exact film that I wanted to see more
than anything in the world when I was
five years old. And now we have it, and
we're going to talk about our thoughts
on it. We got some uh a couple regulars
and a special guest we're going to bring
on in a second. So, we're going to talk
about the film and we're going to talk
about why the hell it didn't perform
well at the box office. I think it might
be an indicator of franchise fatigue.
Now, some of you have pointed out in the
chat, by the way, super chats are always
encouraged but not required. Some of you
have already pointed out that it got
beaten by Scary Movie 6, which is
technically a franchise, but I kind of
think it's one of those franchises where
you're not going to really check in on
your favorite characters from the Scary
Movie franchise. you're just going to
see a comedy that you can ignore and
forget about a week later. So, anyways,
we're going to talk about that. We're
going to talk about underperforming
franchises across the board from Marvel,
The Fast and the Furious, Mission
Impossible, etc. And as always, let us
know down in the comments uh what you
think and we'll get to those as we go
along. And I want to remind you guys
that our store memberships are currently
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merch store. We've been uploading uh
videos that are just for members only,
and we're going to do our X-Men 2 watch
party coming up soon. Actually, we
should ask one of our guests if he wants
to do that because I know he's a huge
fan of that movie. But first, let's
bring on, you know, the old regulars
here, the guy who's always on break, Mr.
Tommy Beck told. What's up, Tommy?
Janet, I won't say it again. I've told
you my origin. I'm a prince from another
universe that was sent here with my
magical sword. And that's why I must
have weapons in my office at all times.
Ryan, how are you?
>> I'm great, man. You know what? Um,
that's as good of an excuse as any I've
heard to bring firepower and laser guns
into the office. I think as long as you
don't dress like He-Man in the office,
that's a bridge too far for most HR. As
long as you
>> I do love a good harness.
>> Uh, so I hear so I hear. By the way, we
missed you at the club last week. And
also coming on, you know him as a guy
who's trapped in our TV but doesn't know
it. So please don't tell him. Mr. Colton
Auburn. What's up, Colton? Hey, look. I
know I'm a regular, but I'm special as
well. I mean, [laughter]
regular is special. So, I
>> Yeah, I'm not
>> You haven't been on that much lately.
We've been missing you.
>> That's true. Yeah, because I
>> I still haven't seen Spider Noir, and
I'm I'm extremely embarrassed by that.
You know, you know what I did?
>> Yeah. You know what I did watch over the
weekend? Uh the sequel to The Handmaid's
Tale, The Testament. It's actually
really good. The girl from um One Battle
After Another is in it. It's actually
quite good. Recommend it.
>> I mean, so is The Handmaid's Tale.
Although, at a certain season, I stopped
watching The Handmaid's Tale
>> just because it's a hard watch.
>> I was about,
>> you know, really tough.
>> The Testaments is not as hard of a
watch. I will say because I agree with
you, like I you have to be in a certain
mood to get through Handmaid's Tale, and
you do not feel good watching that show.
This show is actually kind of it like
takes place after the war and stuff, so
things are a little more hopeful anyway.
>> Oh, the war ends. Didn't know that.
Okay. But no, it's um Damn.
>> No, no, no. It's still go it's still
going on. No, it's still going.
>> Spoiler alerts for The Handmaid's Tale
are ahead.
>> I should have said battle. It takes
place after the big battle.
>> I don't know. It's fine. I assumed that
they weren't going to end the show.
>> Ryan Ryan roots for Gilead as does Tom.
>> I do. I actually I actually have a my
proud member of Gilead badge that I keep
on the inside of my shirt. Like if you
flip this over, that's what it says.
>> I invite everyone to watch mine and
Ryan's podcast, Gilead Guys, which is a
Gilmore Girls [laughter]
pro masculinity podcast.
>> Yeah, we go around the streets of New
Haven into coffee shops and we yell at
people for being diverse. And coming up,
we've got our special guest for the
week. I've been trying to nail this guy
down for a long time. He hosts one of my
all-time favorite YouTube channels and
one of my all-time favorite podcasts,
mostly nitpicking. You know him as Nando
from Nando V Movies. What's going on,
Nando?
>> What's going on? I just want to, you
know, having not watched any of that
Handmaid's Tail show, I just want to I
guess that an excursion is different
from a war is different from a battle.
You know, in our current times, nothing
[laughter] really can be pinned down to
any specific kind of thing. That way, no
one's ever in trouble. So, uh, you know,
Yeah.
>> Yeah. Everything's there.
>> I don't know if you guys have ever seen
Nando's channel. It's absolutely great.
He does um um you know, great theory
videos where you one of my favorites is
your Deadpool 3 video where you came up
with your own for Deadpool
[clears throat] 3 that involve Mojo and
I like it so much more than the actual
one. But you do these great rewrites of
movies. Um and then these other great
theory videos is how I first found your
channel. I'm just plugging the hell out
of Nando because I love your stuff. It's
some field. It really I just want to say
it's an honor to be on with you because
for years I've been called the not as
good Nando V movies. I've got that
>> few times. [laughter]
>> Have you guys
>> Good to know
exists with that name going out here and
like [laughter] Yeah.
>> The very first time Nando came on was
actually you were on our very first
video like this. It wasn't a live
stream, but it was me, you, and Patrick.
And you dropped a little theory that
Sony, it was only a matter of time
before they made a Manwolf movie. And
that's never left my brain because they
never have. And I thought Manwolf was
one of the few things they could have
done from the Spider-Man IP. It makes
sense. Astronaut goes to the moon, turns
into a wolf. It could be anything.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, there's
still time. And um I haven't finished,
you know, the Spider-Man TV show. So
maybe it shows up in that. I'm doubtful,
but you never know.
>> Wait, the new one or the one from the
70s? Which Spider-Man TV show we talking
about?
>> The the Amazon Spider Noir. I am uh one
episode complet. So I like to take my
time with streaming releases.
>> It's so good. And I agree. I had to
watch it like really fast for this. You
know, I host the show here uh on YouTube
>> and I had to do it for that and it
wasn't as much fun and then I get to go
back and rewatch it in black and white
with my wife.
>> Can I can I say while we're glazing that
that's something I really have Sorry,
I'm fanboying a little bit. That's what
I've always liked about your channel,
Nando, is you don't feel the need, at
least from what I've noticed, like
>> it'll be like a week or two after
everyone else is talking about it and
like you'll drop and have your really
interesting take on it. I'm like, he
really took his time to like put some
thoughts together. [laughter] I'm like,
>> I like to
>> Yeah. like throw out immediate like um
theories or thoughts, too. But yeah,
especially with these these, you know,
everything goes on streaming in one
week. feels so,
>> you know, just feels so ephemeral. You
need to have time to think about it,
even if it doesn't necessarily need to
be watched over the course of the week.
I feel like it takes a week to process
how you feel about a certain thing.
>> Completely agree.
>> But that's really smart because the
people who are watching your channel are
probably not watching in one day either.
I we used to get ridiculous with this.
Like we would get screeners for like I
remember the first season of Sandman and
then Paul from Heavy Spoilers and I were
in this like weird cold war where we
were like waiting to see who was going
to drop their video first. So we would
drop the next one like right after or
right before and because we knew it was
ridiculous. We knew that like no one's
going to watch all eight episodes in two
hours
>> and that the minority of people who
would go I'm not going to watch that
what happens at the ending would be like
four views. So I really respect what you
do like Colton said
>> it's great to take time and sometimes
you know like with the wonder video that
I'm going to make sometime in the next
eight years you like like leave people
wanting something and then it really
gets exciting. But, uh,
>> we've got a Captain America Civil War
breakdown that should come out sometime
[laughter] in 2028. I am so excited
about it. It's It's one of my favorite
videos I've written and it's like
literally a couple sentences a week at
this point. Let's talk about the movie.
Let's talk about MOTU. Um, now I will
say this ahead of time, Tommy, you
weren't able to finish watching it, but
you saw about half.
>> Not half. My dog was uh sick this
weekend and I thought I could leave him
to go to see a movie and halfway through
the movie, I just imagined all these
catastrophic things happening to my dog.
So, I ran home and then one visit to the
emergency vet later, he's got an ear
infection and a uh distressed digestive
system, but he's no life-threatening
condition, so he's he'll be okay. But it
was a it was a tough weekend.
>> Wednesday night, I've been there. And
Wednesday night I was supposed to go see
it, but Doug was having a reaction from
a vaccine and he was like trembling and
he wouldn't eat. And for Doug to not eat
is like drastic change in personality.
>> Um, so I didn't see it then either. Like
I was feel last. I got my mom [laughter]
I got my mom to keep the baby. I I
didn't think about that [ __ ] for
years. Yeah. [laughter]
>> No, no, no. I did see the movie and I
really like it. So let's go around the
table. Tommy, if you want to offer your
thoughts on the first hour, you can. But
like start with Nando, buddy. What do
you think about what you think of the
movie? I think this is as good as a
movie that is the Masters of the
Universe can possibly be without like
I'm sure there's some things you could
tweak to make it better, but just in
terms of like how much and as someone
who is not an enormous fan of the
franchise, but like I like it more than
like other franchises that I'm not like
really connected to. Um cuz I think I
kind of missed out on in both windows of
like being around for the original run
of the toys in the show and then being
around for like the kind of revival
versions of them. Um, but either way, I
thought it was a lot of fun and um I
wish it was the most successful movie
ever because I'd like to see like 10
more of these because I think they're
pretty cool.
>> And Shira Shira love Shira. There's so
many guys that when you Google it and
it's like this is a different guy that
you didn't even know existed. Like
they're they're friends and villains.
Like I want to see all of them on
screen. But
>> maybe we'll get to that. It's gonna be
tricky.
>> Not to mention there's so many other
He-Man characters that aren't in this.
like stink or they all have or or either
or or man at the end of their name, but
there's a lot of really cool bits of
lore that I would love to see further
explored. And on Emergency Awesome's
video, he said he thinks they'll make a
sequel for half the money and put it
straight on streaming. And I think he's
probably right.
>> I mean, apart Colton, apart from like
not having to being able to pretend like
you're not a father for two hours,
>> what were your thoughts on the movie?
>> Dude,
look, it's really hard being me, right?
being all of us.
>> Oh, we we all say that. Yeah,
>> there is that side of my brain that
wants to just sit back and watch the
movie. But then there's the other side
of me, as I'm sure all of you can
relate, that I I immediately start
rewriting the movie the second I get out
and I'm like,
>> they should have done this, should have
done that. But Ryan, I was telling you
this offline is that what kept coming
back to me was Mark Hamill doing that
impression of Harrison Ford where he
goes, "Kid, it's not that kind of
movie." [laughter]
And that's what I kept trying to tell
myself because
>> look, I I do think a Masters of the
Universe movie can be goofy and
self-reerential and meta and be
everything it was here, but I think it
can also be Lord of the Rings meets Star
Wars and be like this epic
>> saga type franchise for today. I and I I
feel like that it it felt more like diet
Thor Ragnarok than it did like this epic
Masters of the Universe thing.
>> I like that.
>> I just Yeah, I just had like little
notes like it it felt like no time
passed whatsoever and nothing of
consequence happened when he landed. Oh,
sorry. I'm getting some kind of
feedback.
>> Yeah, I am too. I don't know who's who's
in that is about to say. Um
>> we can do the mute rotation. Let's see.
>> I don't know. I muted Tommy and I don't
hear it anymore.
>> All right,
>> maybe Tommy that might have been on your
end, but keep going. Sorry.
>> Uh it it felt like when um Adam L or
I'll be like long neck guy Allan. It
felt like when Adam landed on Earth and
then they say 15 years later. I just
felt like his character didn't change at
all. There was nothing interesting of
like him like almost reaching this point
where maybe he finally started to doubt
the fact that he is from another planet.
I I would like I expected that in the
third act.
>> Yeah. I would have liked to seen him
like talking to a psychiatrist or
something and maybe finally coming to
grips with okay maybe something
traumatic did happen in my childhood and
I'm just kind of crazy and then have
Tila and like you know Masters of the
Universe everybody come and get him take
him back to Eternia. I I just think they
kind of blew past and rushed through it.
It felt like there was no character
development for him or any of the other
characters that were remaining on
Eternia. It it felt like time just kind
of stood still so they could just age up
the character and have him come right
back.
>> Well, we don't even know their real
names on Eternia for the most part. It's
just a name they gave him as a kid.
Yeah.
>> And like there's a line where uh it's
Tila, right? I I'm not huge on the the
original either. Uh Tila says, "And what
did you call what did you call that
guy?" I'm like, "What do you mean that
guy? You don't know his name." I was She
should be like, "And what did you call
John?" You know, she should They've been
hiding in just little [ __ ] like that.
>> And
>> I don't know. I I just felt like they
kind of blew past a lot of important
stuff that would have made the rest of
the movie feel better, like it feel more
impactful and like I I'd actually care a
little more. It just felt a little
shallow. But again, kid, it's not that
kind of movie. So, I I don't know.
>> Well, but no, you raised a good point
because during that third act, sorry,
Tommy, we'll get to your half opinion in
a second. During that third act, um I
did have the same thought when he's in
He-Man's mind and it seemed like
Skeletor was trying to convince him of
this. Oh, it was all fake, blah, blah,
blah. and he doing the silly thing where
he appears and is dressed as a guy the
boss from office space. Um
>> he's going through all that and I did
think at that point like you know he
hasn't expressed any doubt in himself.
But one thing I did love about the movie
is how that's his real power. Like his
childlike optimism and belief and how
he's able to inspire everybody later in
the film. Like he's able they they take
his dumb goofy speech and his dumb goofy
names and it actually propels them
forward which I loved.
>> Yeah. Well, can I just say one more
thing. I know I'm talking about
>> they're just little like usually I'm the
type of guy that like I hate when a Thor
movie or whatever or a Transformers
movie feels the need to take place on
Earth and have like a lot of human
characters and stuff. So, I really
appreciated that this movie, the bulk of
it took place on Attorneyia. In fact,
when I saw that they were even having
part of it take place on Earth in the
trailers, I was like, "Oh, boo. We don't
need He-Man's Origin. Just do a Masters
of the Universe." Masters of the
Universe 1987 movie that we were so
jazzed for when I was seven was the
biggest disappointment because it starts
with a giant Eternia set. It starts with
all these people from the movie, the
cartoon. You think that's what you're
getting and then they go to Earth so
Courtney Cox and Tom Paris, you know,
can [ __ ] around for half of the movie.
>> Half of the screen time belongs to those
two teenage characters.
>> Yeah. So that that's not what I wanted
at all. So, I I'm glad that they're on
Eternia for a lot of it, but I do feel
like an extra 10 minutes on Earth really
would have set up the rest of the movie
and and served it well because again, it
just
>> it just felt like I don't know like I I
just know nothing about like who who
were his parents? Was he in foster care?
Did did he have Earth parents? Did
somebody find him? Like, they just kind
of bypass all of that. It it really just
feels like he landed on Earth and then
everybody just stood still for 15 years
until the the rest of the movie could
start. It It was weird. Yeah.
>> Yeah. second movie this year was that
guy, I forget his his name, the actor
who plays an orphan. The other one's The
Sheep Detectives, which is genuinely a
much better movie that everybody should
see. It's so great. Tommy, I got my
thoughts, but I want to hear from you
first. You've been very Thank you.
>> Well, I'll I'll give my half my
halfbaked thoughts. I So, my love for
He-Man is I think maybe a little more
unconventional. I wasn't like a huge fan
of the He-Man cartoon. Like, the toys
were it for me. So I my my my uh my like
love for He-Man is like the world I
created with those toys based on their
names only. So I deeply loved how this
movie was paced because I wanted them
off of Earth as soon as possible back
with my toys like and so and I
understand and I think Colton's point is
completely valid is a like a cinematic
theatrical experience and a story but as
a viewer
>> I was kind of like yeah who cares about
all this? Get him a sword and get him
back. uh back to Attorneyio as soon as
possible and like and that worked for
me. And I thought that
visually and with the score that was
provided that was like with
collaboration from Queen and all that, I
just I just really enjoying myself. If I
wasn't so worried that my dog was laying
in a ditch somewhere, [laughter]
I probably would have walked away from
it and and eventually had those similar
thoughts of like, yeah, they might have
been able to explain why this like, you
know, ripped kid is like so insecure and
like talks about this alien planet for
the first week. I also love that they
tried to hide the fact that he was
muscular under that volcano.
>> Yeah. He's like, I'm starting to work
out for the first time. I'm like, okay.
And then even when they transform his
body, when he transforms the first time,
they CGI him to be scared.
>> Yes.
>> They go to Steve Rogers. But
>> my dumb ass, my dumb ass leans over to
my wife. You see, he's actually
muscular. They CGIed the dad. [laughter]
>> But I could have done more things like
digitally to make him look smaller, but
yeah,
>> kid. It's not that kind of movie. Like I
I you kind of like you have to suspend a
lot of disbelief with this. My thought
was when I was so I'm pretty sure this
movie got green lit because of Barbie.
They're both Mattel properties and I'm
sure they would love to have like a toy
cinematic universe with Polly Pocket and
[ __ ] like that.
>> Um, so I was excited about it as a
He-Man fan. I knew they were like
approaching it from a certain meta level
the same way Barbie did. Uh, which is
why I liked like, okay, Fisto and Ram
Fristo and Ram Man, those are really
dumb names. And they explain why they
have those names because the other
option is to like wholeheartedly embrace
that camp and like really own it. The
part where they finally get everybody
together, they break out of prison.
They're walking down the They're doing
the hallway walk every, you know, we've
seen it a million times. Guardians, Kill
Bill, whatever. They're playing Queen.
It's awesome. But then they stop and do
a gag where they all cough.
I hated that on like every level. You
can hate something. I am so tired of
movies and franchises trying to be James
Gun or Marvel and undermine the the the
moment with a joke. I'm tired of Marvel
doing it, you know? Like, just enjoy.
You've built to this moment. you build
this rally point, soak in the rally
point for a little bit and then you can
do more jokey stuff later. Like if it
were a letter grade, I I think it
dropped it a whole letter for me because
that was indicative of what I saw all
through the movie. The only other way to
do I was thinking about this too. The
only other way to do a a spin on He-Man
would be, if you think about it, guys,
it's pretty [ __ ] up. It's this kid,
Adam, young prince, who suddenly gets
the power to be a super macho dude. In
the real world, that would go horrible
if you took a 13-year-old boy and you
gave him that kind of power and it would
be a dark almost like miracle man kind
of story. But other than that, I
>> I don't know. Nanda, what did you think
of the the metaess of it? Did it work
for you?
>> It's tricky because on one hand, like um
there was I'm sure there were some joke
Well, I don't know. It doesn't feel like
there were too many jokes that went over
my head as a non huge He-Man fan, but I
am like pretty familiar with the uh the
idea of it. I think as a way to
have the
silliness of the characters and the
designs of the characters and all of
that. Um, and and I think like there's
certain characters like Fisto, right,
who like feel very
>> kind of he does feel like they took a
action figure, put it through like a
cool guy filter, but then there's guys
like Mechan who don't feel like that,
who feel like they just took the action
figure and brought him into real life.
So, like I feel like as a as an attempt
to take the idea of these toys and kind
of contextualize them as being things
that this guy remembers and that's why
you kind of remember them the same way.
I thought it was all very clever. I
think um I I do kind of agree uh Colton
a little bit now that I'm thinking about
it that there could have been more time
on Earth. I think he could have maybe in
like cut it in with stuff in Eternia as
maybe memories or something like that so
it doesn't get super slow because it
starts with the narration on the date
and that's fine. I think that that's
smart because it does need to kind of
>> parts of it it helps if explained but um
>> and I don't necessarily need to see him
go on like four or five dates but I feel
like maybe I don't know flashbacks or
dreams or something like that that he
has or memories uh could keep that first
bit moving uh a little better. But yeah,
I think as far as a way to I think as
far as a way to kind of keep the childy
toiness of these guys together with the
reality of guys that can do a big punch
and stuff on screen and not look silly.
I mean, they look kind of silly. Uh, I
think they I think they did a pretty
pretty decent job. Um, and as far as
like little kind of Jos Sweden jokes, I
don't love them, but um I will usually
excuse a joke. I I'm usually pretty
unless the joke is like meanspirited or
something. I'm usually pretty forgiving
when it comes to like jokes for me that
don't work if they work in the theater
and my theater thought that was very
funny. So, I was I was right there with
them and my theater was packed like cuz
I saw it on some one of those opening
night or like things like that. So, um I
probably did have a kind of what's the
word like a sweet crowd as far as people
that were ready to laugh at that but I
also think people you know people just
just dug it.
>> Hey, was your crowd I'm curious about
this. Was your crowd guys in their 40s
>> or was it like younger people?
>> It was a lot of guys in their 40s and
their kids in their 12elves or whatever.
Like a lot of both of those. Yeah.
Together.
>> I thought that was going to propel it
because like He-Man as a franchise
>> was so big but only for a few years in
the 80s like around eight like when the
movie came out. The live action is right
when it like abruptly dropped off a
cliff. But for those of us who were
there, it was like seinal. You know that
the other thing in the movie I kept
thinking he's why aren't they playing
the theme? He-Man has this amazing theme
every time he would transform. They
played it a hundred times in every
episode and then when they finally
played it at the end like that got me
like straight in the feels and I was
like ready and I wanted that moment
earlier in the movie. But that could
just be me loving that.
>> I I think you're spot on about the
flashbacks. That would have been a great
way to do it without bogging down the
first act. And the perfect place to have
put them would have been during that
sequence where the movie just like comes
to this complete stop in the in those
red woods or whatever where they're
having where it's uh man of man at arms
and Tila and Adam. I think that would
have been a good place to actually have
him give some like catchup exposition
that would have flowed really well and
taken us into that third act and given
me all that information I wanted to have
to better enjoy the third act. So yeah,
I think that would have been a good
place to do it. Skeletor
for you guys as a villain.
>> Oh, sorry, man. Finish your thought.
>> I was just gonna say now that you
mentioned it and now that we're kind of
talking about it and like the way that
the characters are kind of versions of
characters that exist in his mind, I
almost wish and they couldn't Well, they
could have done this, but this is kind
of a different version of this movie. I
wish the first bit we saw was animated
and it looked nothing like the real guys
[clears throat] and it was clearly the
version that he remembers that he drew
and then when we saw them in real life
they look like the guys that they are.
But anyway, uh Skeletor cool uh very
well. Okay, two things about Skeletor.
One, it feels like a take on the
Franklin Skeletor, not any other version
of Skeletor because of the voice. That's
not a Skeletor voice outside of that per
like performance um that I can at least
that I could recognize.
>> Yeah, even even Mark Hamill when he did
it adapted it more I mean he basically
did a version of the Joker but it was a
more of a version from the man.
>> You guys ever have a chance to watch
those Skeletor insult super cuts?
They're amazing.
>> Gretorous B.
>> My my favorites my favorite Skeletor
lines are actually from Robot Chicken
and my wife and I quote them to each
other. all the time like the what?
Behold the gas stench of Skeletor's
breakfast burrito.
>> Oh, in the car. That was a good one.
>> All the other [laughter]
or uh I'm not evil Lynn. I will be good
Lynn. Uh this whole time I thought your
name was Evelyn. She goes, [laughter]
"Pretty clever, huh?" Ah, no. But
[laughter]
>> just reminder, so I'm curious why this
movie bombed. But just before we get
into that, I want to talk about I just
want to show you guys real quick. We do
have a couple of
>> nice
>> merch uh parody merch shirts. We got
this Grace Gold Gem in the style of Gold
Gem that we really love. We're proud of
at our merch store.com.
>> You can get it. Just give us your size
and we'll get one sent to you.
>> And we've also got the I have the power
shirt, which it really, like I said,
that's the moment that always jazzed me
up every time I watched He-Man. And
yeah, these are available at our merch
store. And if you become a store member
at just our $ five dollar tier, you get
15% off our merch store, uh, along with
other things like monthly watch parties,
exclusive videos, etc. And at the $100
tier, if you're game for that sort of
nonsense, we do a private Q&A live
stream. We had our first one the other
day. It was a lot of fun. I live stream
people. I showed around the studio and,
you know, kind of gave behind the scenes
and just answer questions. I got to talk
about myself for 30 minutes. It's
amazing. So, yep. Links for those and
everything else are down below. I'm
really tired going going back to your
question. I'm really tired of them
taking villains that are supposed to
have the like the high pitch thing like
Carnage is supposed to and giving them
the
and they kind of did that with Skeletor
a little bit and I didn't think his
voice was awful. Like they could have
gone like way worse but I I would have
preferred a little bit more of a high
pitch like have Mark Campbell do it
maybe. I think that's
>> and I and I think like it feels
unnecessary to make give him more graas
in his voice when the movie is already
that ridiculous, right? If there's ever
a live action movie that can get away
with a villain with a silly voice, it's
this one. Like there I mean like there
literally no reason not to have him have
the cartoon voice. And I hate to say it
because by all accounts he doesn't seem
like a very good person. Jerry thought I
could have killed that. Like, you know,
like
>> he did good. He understood the
assignment. You're right. A crescendo.
He didn't say it like that, but that's
how I remembered in my head.
>> Ryan, [laughter]
I sent Ryan a video of me puppeteering
my child. That's the crescendo.
[laughter]
>> One of the best things about having a
baby is making them do stuff like that.
Totally on it.
>> Yeah. What's this?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I was Do you guys know
this drama about Letto not being happy
with the film or something? I've just
seen little bits of memes
>> they kept him off the press tour and I
was wondering if that was because uh of
just Jared Leto being box office poison
at this point. I'm wondering if they
signed him on to this and couldn't get
him off of it like cuz you know like
before they filmed it or something
>> all after Tron they wanted a world where
he thinks he did fine in this movie or
whatever but because he's so toxic
>> for all the different reasons of like
the Tron movies didn't work and like all
the like like Tron and uh what was the
other one? Haunted Mansion all that kind
of bombed in um the immediate wake of
all of his other you know came out about
him. Yeah. I feel like they could have
been like, "Hey, you can't talk about
this movie at all. Like, just stay away
from it." And maybe that made him go
like, "I don't really not into it. I'm
not this isn't fun for me to talk about
to random kids on an airplane." But like
I could see a world where in reality he
seemed to be into it. Like everything
I've heard on behind the scenes, he put
stupid blood on his face or something.
Like he got excited about this world. He
was there.
He always does that [ __ ] like when he
was the Joker and he put rats in
people's locker. What's this airport?
>> Oh, I saw a video or not video. I saw a
report that one guy I think they said
they were at an airport with him and
they happened to be a big He-Man fan.
They were like wearing a He-Man shirt
and they said to him like, "Hey, I
already saw that Master of the Universe
movie you were in. That was great." And
he's like, "Oh, cool. Thanks." And then
left. And that's like the most reaction
it feels like we've gotten from him
about that movie in that moment. So like
I and like if I
was him and like was in that situation
and you know all of the discourse around
me was I'm going to destroy this movie
because he kind of, you know, is a
liability in a lot of ways. I feel like
I also wouldn't want to talk about it.
I'd want to talk about my band or
whatever it is that he's happy about. I
I don't think anyone knows that, you
know, except for us really like our
circle that he's even playing Skeletor.
So that's probably
>> they didn't even have a flashback of his
like because
>> you know he was long story short, he's
King Randor's brother, Kellor, etc.,
etc., etc. Person, half human. Exactly.
Perseverance in the search for comic.
>> I'm Skeletor.
Anyways, they could have done all that
and then maybe they even had that in the
script, but I feel like they're you
mentioned like maybe there was more on
Earth and deleted scenes or something. I
feel like the movie's two out. I don't
think there was much else. I am
interested in why it bombed because when
our first when the first trailer
dropped, we did something we've only
done a couple times where I did a live
breakdown. I pulled some stills and for
like a live video that I droned on for
30 minutes about this fan geeking about
this [ __ ] it it did pretty well. Got
like almost 200,000 views. So, I
thought, okay, there must be a lot of
interest here.
>> That's great for a live stream.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Right. And it's going to be I
think the movie is going to do really
well on streaming. And I thought guys my
age
>> who, you know, were burned by the Dolph
London movie were going to be jazzed
about this. But then again, they've
tried He-Man revivals over the years in
the early 2000s. Great revival. They
There was the the MOTU uh Revelation and
Revolution on Netflix, which I think one
of them only got a 52% from fans, but I
love that one, too. But then none of
them really captured the zeitgeist like
those four years or three years in the
1980s did. There have been three
revivals since then and none of them
have really taken off.
>> People don't go to the movies anymore. I
I think a lot of people are going to
watch it on streaming. They're probably
just waiting.
>> But that's a great point because you
look at the competition they had and
this is where I'm really curious to hear
what you guys think because I haven't
seen any of these movies yet. Their back
their competition was Back Rooms
Obsession which has gone up three weeks
in a row which is like Titanic kind of
>> like momentum and Amazing Digital Circus
and those three have a YouTube presence.
They're made by people with big social
media reaches. They have an organic
audience.
>> That digital circus show I didn't
realize their top viewed video has like
400 million views.
>> Yeah. I don't even
>> Or something like that. Like it's
ridiculous. Uh in a good way. Like I'm
really happy for them. So is that the
reason why? But I kind of feel like
maybe the kids they were hoping to
attract to this movie, maybe I thought
they would have at least bought tickets
to it and snuck into back rooms, but I
think that they watched other [ __ ] I
mean, what do you guys think about the
competition aspect?
>> I mean, the competition.
>> Yeah. Sorry, N.
>> Oh, go say I think the competition is
interesting because um I I don't think
most of those movies really do compete
with what He-Man was trying to do. The
Digital Circus one I extra don't like
know very much about, but like I feel
like two I don't know was back or was
back rooms R-rated, right? Yeah, two
R-rated horror movies are definitely not
what I feel like you would be worried
about here. Um, I think the problem with
He-Man, I do think the marketing for
this movie, looking back at it, does a
pretty bad job of just selling a fresh
audience member on why He-Man is fun.
not just like why the He-Man toys are
fun, but like what is it about this
story in this universe? And I think the
movie has stuff in there that's like
it's a movie about believing in yourself
and transforming like X-Men and Harry
Potter and all this stuff, but the movie
doesn't like the none of the trailers
really like hammer that in. It's just
kind of like I'm from Maternia. I have
the power and get the sword and then I
fight this guy. But um I I don't know. I
feel like if you're a, let's say,
13-year-old who's never heard of He-Man
before, has probably seen Skeletor once
or twice and other stuff, and then you
see the trailer for this movie, I don't
understand outside of maybe being a huge
fan of Nicholas Gallatine, which perhaps
people are. Uh, and like and being a fan
of the director, who I also like and I
don't think is quite a name yet, but
like could
>> Stephen D. Yeah, he's great.
>> Yeah. Travis Knight. Yeah, he I love
>> Yeah, but like the Bumblebee movie, if
you saw that, you're like, "Oh man, this
guy's the this guy's the hotness." Then
I'm going to go watch whatever he makes.
Um, you know, maybe five years in the
future, that's a thing. But yeah, I I
just feel like there was no hook for for
kids and new viewers. So, you got all
the adults and you got some of the
adults, but like um I I also just think
this movie didn't have a big enough
star. It was missing one big star and it
was Skeletor and he's he was a big
question mark man who didn't do any of
the promotion for the movie but like
>> they should have cast Johnny Depp.
[laughter]
>> Yeah, exactly. Johnny Depp
>> or Jonathan Major
>> and Idris. Yeah, there you go. Yeah,
Idris Ela also in it but not really
featured in the market like exactly an
A-list guy. Yeah.
>> No, he does commercials for Gold now.
Like I like and I think he's great in
this movie, but I don't think he feels
like a big
>> movie star kind of guy. Honestly, like
I'm pretty sure I remember I don't
remember if this was a thing, but like I
I think about this movie a lot because
it's coming out later this year is like
um the Street Fighter movie with Noah
Centineo. Not even, you know, I mean
like we'll see how similar the roles
are. Both jacked guys who are probably
in in a similar age range. I think no
CNO brings an audience with him to this
that Nicholas Gallatine just doesn't and
I think that may have helped this movie
feel like a big deal because I think
that's what gets people to the theaters
movies that feel like a big deal whether
it's people saying like oh this is back
rooms this is the future of horror or
whatever or like this is the big movie
of the month this is you know He-Man and
I know I think that's what they're
trying to do really really really hard
with Disclosure Day is make it feel like
a big deal even though there's nothing
in the movie or in the in the marketing
that I feel like they've been like
they've been having Stephen Spielberg go
look at things and go this is my what
from Indiana Jones and it's like this is
just like this this is important. So
>> yeah he's going on talk shows and saying
aliens are real. I think that's about
the
>> which is an insane thing to Yeah.
>> They should have done that with this
one. They should have said aliens and
cats and big giant guys with fists
[clears throat] are real.
>> Tommy, what were you going to say?
>> Well, no. I I actually I pretty much
disagree with that. I feel like this
movie just didn't for the budget and
scope of how big this production was, it
never felt like this was a must-sea
movie, even as a target probably
audience member as a 42-y old man. And I
also think that 42-y old men have like
12 to 13 year old children usually. And
it was a tough sell. And there like it's
just much easier to see it on streaming
now when you have all of these giant
films coming out. And I think, you know,
the co the co-produced Amazon, it was
co-produced by Amazon and Sony, right?
This movie. Yeah.
>> It's like that's going to inflate the
budget. And it it anything under it
popping off to like hundred million
dollars this weekend is going to be
probably reported as a failure. It
obviously did bomb in a true sense, but
I just feel like yeah, they struggled.
They struggled to I think it was in the
marketing. They didn't focus on the guy
playing He-Man as like he's the next
[clears throat] big star either. It
wasn't like it was kind of just like
>> yeah look we got this guy who kind of
looks like He-Man and look Idris Elba's
in this movie and you know look the girl
from Riverdale's in this movie and Jared
Leto Skeletor which we're kind of
glossing over and there's lots of other
fun cameos or you know character people
who you know their face but you're right
there was just no magnet that was like I
got to see this movie. Nicholas
Gladstein didn't host SNL last week. He
didn't go on Hot Ones and like I think
he could have. I mean, he couldn't have
hosted SNL this week because it wasn't
on, but like he could have done other
stuff and I don't think he didn't want
to or anything. It just feels like maybe
priorities wise they were like, "We're
going to kind of expect this isn't going
to be as big of a movie for other
reasons." I don't know. But this is why
like I think if you had someone um I
thrown out a bazillion names for this,
but um uh who's like a just any any
other Skeletor actor, let's say um well
Mark Hamel's too. Mark Hamel's an easy
one because he's already done it, but
also like he doesn't also doesn't feel
like a movie star. I'm just think it's
somebody who is like,
it doesn't matter. Somebody like that.
>> Glenn Powell goes out does Skeletor then
also he does press for Skeletor and it's
like oh that's a movie star in that
movie. That's a movie that I have to
see.
>> And he can make jokes about how my face
is like this the whole time and you
know.
>> Right. Right.
>> Yeah. And he gets to go out and say like
I have this is my skeletal action figure
I had when I was 10 and now I like
having it because it's me and you know
they didn't do I didn't see any of that.
And yeah it's weird.
>> I really hope
>> very little appeals to nostalgia in the
marketing too. But I don't think they
had that much to appeal to nostalgia. I
just hope they don't learn the wrong
lesson, which is, oh, this bombed. From
now on, we'll just drop our Amazon
movies on Amazon. Because the the single
best piece of marketing
>> for a streaming whatever for for a movie
going on streaming is having it run in
theaters for four to six weeks. That and
what they can do, even if this movie
breaks even,
>> essentially what that will do is it pays
for you making this movie that you can
now put on your streaming service. So, I
hope they don't like take the bad box
office as, "Oh, we won't do this again."
No, really. It you just got your movie
made for free and a really good free
marketing campaign for having it run in
theaters for four weeks. So, I I hope
that
>> Well, not free because they get half the
gross to the theaters, but I think
you're you're right. I mean, it was the
same way with DVDs and Blu-rays when
those were all the rage. um the movie
they would they would basically break
even on the big release of the movie but
then the money's afterwards like you
said on the comeback
>> and all movies are hurting because
>> they have trained the audience to go
okay there are several good movies out
right now this economy is [ __ ] I can
only afford to maybe go see one and take
my whole family because that's another
thing this is a family movie that's a
really expensive night out to take your
family
>> and no popcorn bucket Yeah, they had
they had a popcorn bucket, didn't they?
Popcorn buckets.
Was it Battle? I didn't get
>> They have a Battlecat Skeletor.
>> I would have walked out with all
>> Yeah, clearly clearly they had them all
laid out on the counter at my theater.
But no, it's just they have trained
audiences that the movie is going to be
on TV in four or five weeks, so we'll
just wait and we'll watch it as a family
and order some pizza, which you know
sounds really appealing. So they're
killing themselves by not having like a
Didn't DVDs used to come out like six
months after the movie was
>> VHS would be years sometimes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. ET took forever at Jurassic
Park because they were still in the
theater.
>> It was almost an event when the DVD came
out. It was like the movie was coming
out all over again.
>> It literally was because also DVDs were
packed with extras too that made it even
more fun to go back and watch them.
Sorry to go ahead.
>> I was going to say too, the other thing
about movies and what they're trying to
do now that this movie also didn't seem
to do. And I'm looking backwards, I'm
like, "Oh, this was a mistake." Because
I do think one of for me the strengths
of this movie uh outside of a lot of the
stuff that I like that are just like
things that kind of are are funny or
whatever design-wise, I think this movie
had a pretty sick score. uh the Daniel
Peton like
>> I feel like a lot of the times when a
movie has a really good score they
advertise it as like the movie you have
to see in Dolby sound system or whatever
and that's why all the movies now are
pretend or not pretending but are like
film this with IMAX like we filmed
Mandalorian with IMAX even if it's not
going to look that great in IMAX is cuz
like that is something special that you
can't get at home and like I feel like
it's we looking back it's crazy that I
learned that Brian is it Brian I did the
guitars for this movie
>> at the movie during the credits for the
movie. Like that was my selling point
earlier in the movie cuz like I earlier
in the releases u and he wasn't on TV
talking about it like
>> yeah I don't know man Amazon they made
Project Hail Mary so they're doing great
and I'm sure they're having an you know
they've got some interesting stuff for
the rest of the year but I'll never
understand some of these decisions.
>> Colton you made a good point. You talked
about how people are being trained to
not go to the theater anymore. And this
is where something really interesting
happened. I'm really proud of you.
>> Something really interesting is
happening, too. And this is why, and I
made this about franchise fatigue. So,
let me bring this up. We got a little
thing here, but I'll just read some of
these grosses out to you. So,
>> um,
>> if you Oh, we don't have numbers on
this, but we're looking at like the
highest grossing films of the 2010s. Um,
and they're pretty much the usual
players Avengers etc. Frozen all
these franchises. this year. Uh, sorry.
In 2025, last year, um, we had some new
ones pop in there. Demon Slayer, F1,
things like that. However,
>> uh, sorry, I thought we had a slide of
this one, but listen to like some of
these Fast and F. So, the Fast and
Furious is one of the biggest franchises
of all time. It doesn't feel that way,
but it is. Um, fast and it was on such a
big increase from the fourth movie and
like when Justin Lynn got on board and
really started to make these movies. The
fourth movie did 359. The fifth movie,
which I think is the best in the
franchise, did 629. Number six did 789.
Furious 7, fueled partly because of
curiosity about Paul Walker dying, did
$1.5 billion,
>> which is [ __ ] insane considering it
was a Point Break ripoff where they
stole DVDs from a semi-truck. DVD
players.
>> Was that 2014, the seventh one?
>> Yeah. And then Fate of the Furious, the
worst I've seen, is 1.1 billion. Hobs
and Shaw, which doesn't really count,
76, but they have decreased every single
time. And these movies are really big
and really expensive to make. And the
same thing has happened with Mission
Impossible, where Mission Impossible
Fallout, which I think came out in not
2012, but like around the same time
you're mentioning, Colton, 2017 maybe,
>> did 786 million. And then Dead Reckoning
Part One 565 and then hilariously titled
The Final Reckoning did 591. So it
didn't even get we'll never get Dead
Reckoning part two.
>> So then you're kind of looking at you do
see a line of these big franchises maybe
getting stale for audiences because they
know what to expect. You guys think it's
that or do you think it's the well I got
this big shiny screen at home. I can see
it there.
>> It 20 The reason I ask is like 2014
right right in there. I would say going
from like 2011 is probably when it
started
through that through like 2018
might be the what the best time for
movies ever in terms of theatrical box
office like that the amount of billion
dollar
>> 2019 I think you have to lump in there
too.
>> Yeah. I mean we had like Lion King that
year and Yeah.
>> Yeah. just a rapid incline from like the
the early 2010s up through and then we
hit that year where a certain thing
happened and we just we've recovered a
little bit from it but
>> it really
that trained people to stay home as well
and realize like oh I can just watch
stuff here being stuck at home
>> because the last time in American
history when that happened was with the
Spanish flu you know from 1918 to the
early 1920s and obviously very different
because back then you were wealthy if
you had a radio in your hut or whatever
Americans lived in back [laughter] then.
But now we've got this great home
entertainment and streaming, you know,
you know, coincided with all of this
happening. Whereas like in the late
1800s when the Spanish flu was finally
done, we got the roaring 20s afterwards.
You know, we we got people basically
wanting to be out and doing more. That's
when movies first exploded. So there was
like an explosion of people who were in
very public places with each other and
they wanted to be, you know, part of
that camaraderie and seeing different
things. And now I thought the same thing
would happen after the pandemic, but
you're right. It made us even more
isolated than we were before. A
>> and people just aren't interest, this is
very anecdotal, but I I I have trouble
finding people who really even watch
that many movies like in my day-to-day
life like
>> because of TV shows or because of
>> shows and this and yeah, just it's not
>> I don't know. It's like it's not a a
thing any like it's not a cool thing
that people are interested in anymore. I
know that's you know very broadly
speaking but
>> well Marsha McLuhan a great media
analyst um and philosopher said the
medium is the message. In other words
you know if you really want to
understand a society you don't just look
at what kinds of things they're
consuming because people in America like
cop shows and doctor shows are always
the most popular genre. uh you look at
how they're consuming it and that tells
you more about a society. So a society
that's more isolated from each other uh
lives a little bit more digitally that's
consuming things in you know one minute
sections instead of like committing to
like a long process or who can't watch
one thing at a time you know speaks to
anxiety of a society because your screen
is up and you're on this screen too
because you don't you're afraid you're
going to miss out on something. So
>> there's a lot that's happening there.
Um, however, I still think He-Man was
fun and people should have watched it.
>> I I agree. And I also think that like
>> I I think that there is a bubble to this
isolation too. Like I think that there I
think that the the isolation we live in
now presents as like a simulated
connectivity because of our smartphones.
And I think that like
>> it's a pain. It's like we're at a pain
point with it in every area, not just
media consumption. And it's like, yeah,
but I'm not isolated because I can
comment on a video or I can text someone
or I can call them.
>> And I think that like
>> while it might feel painful for some of
us right now, it certainly does feel
painful for me. I do think that that
will cause a yearning again for like
literal connectivity or like in-person
connectivity. Yeah. And I don't think
that like movie theaters are dead. And I
think that like neither
>> that is a sexy thing to put out in a
tweet and that might be a sexy video to
make, but I think that like things are
cyclical and right now we are we my
generation became a generation that like
raised themselves in adulthood on their
devices and their phones. But I also see
that like we are also able to look down
at the next generation and see how it is
affecting them and kind of be judgmental
about it while we're just as guilty. And
I think that how that evolves is like
there are kids now that don't want to be
filmed. Like there you start to see kids
rebelling against like they're like I
don't need I don't need to be online.
Like my nephew and this is anecdotal
like Colton was saying before like he's
anti-technology because of how pervasive
it was in his childhood. He's 17 years
old and he wants nothing to do with his
phone. He wants nothing to do with
>> analog,
>> right? And I think like this is what
happens. bubbles blow up and blow up and
blow and seem like they'll never end and
then they burst. And my hope is that
when that bubble bursts, people will
return to the theaters. People will
return to wanting to see each other in
person. And you know, I like to be
optimistic. So maybe you could say that
I'm I'm dumb and AI is going to, you
know, send me a message saying I need to
disengage with that. But I don't know.
I'm optimistic.
>> Well, to your point, okay, so movie
theater attendance is down. Music is
flourishing. Concerts are doing great.
people are going out for that shared
experience. It is interesting though
going to concerts now as opposed to
maybe a decade ago because I think the
kids are a lot more aware that they're
always being filmed and nobody wants to
get too silly.
>> Uh nobody wants to like be a meme or
become the next Star Wars kid. So
everybody's a little bit more restricted
even in public.
>> We got some super chats here I want to
get. There's a couple really interesting
ones in here I want to get your
everybody's thoughts on. Arman gave us5
pounds and said I actually bought a
cinema card this summer. So many good
movies coming out so close to each
other. It's just economical. Masters of
the Universe was only okay though. I
don't think it's I Look, Masters of the
Universe wasn't the next Barbie. It
wasn't even the next Thunderbolts, but I
still enjoyed the movie. Do you guys
feel that way about the summer box
office? What's coming up? Go ahead,
Andrew. What's your question?
>> Oh, I want to relate that to that. How
does how does the movie theater
subscription fit into box office
anything? Like if like how does that
because if I have a subscription to see
four movies a month and I see Masters of
the Universe four times like how does
that
>> you know
>> and I don't understand I've never heard
you know anybody explain.
>> My guess would be it could work like
YouTube Premium where you get paid based
on how many YouTube Premium numbers
members watch your thing. My guess would
be you know how movie theaters take half
the gross of the ticket up front then
it's like it grows over time. Uh, it's
actually No, sorry. It's more than half.
It gets to half. No, that's wrong. It
starts at half or around there. My guess
is they're paying the studio.
>> I would think they'd have to That's a
really great question because like the
AMC one, I forget what it's called, AMC
Stubs or something,
>> right? Or something.
>> That one it pays. If you see more than
like I think they just upped their
prices, but before they up their prices,
if you saw even like one movie, it
already paid for itself. Now I think
maybe it's like
>> That's just it. Yeah, that's what they
do though. It's like every other
technological thing, they they loop you
in a really low introductory. Yeah,
exactly.
>> It's like a
>> or like Uber or like anything else.
Every startup starts you really low so
you'll forget about the subscription.
Which is why honestly I use Rocket
Money. Rocket Money is great for
[laughter]
I speak an ad. I can't stop it. Every
time I'm like right in the middle,
someone's telling me their worst problem
that's happened to them. I'm like, "Oh
god, they should be in therapy." And I
have just the recommendation for it.
Sean Holtzgra gave us five bucks and
said, "Doug deserves a treat with my
name on it." He actually sent that when
I was talking about Doug not feeling the
vaccine. And Sean, I will definitely
give that um to them. Thank you so much.
And Christian Unpronouncable, longtime
friend of the channel, give us five
Canadian dollars. Come on people, drop
those likes for one of your favorite
streamers.
>> A
>> Yeah. I mean, find your favorite
streamer if they're streaming right now
and drop them a like. And if it happens,
>> he usible.
Arman gave us another five pounds and
said, "Hi, young guy here, 20. Um, I did
not like this movie. It felt restrained.
It's like Sonic 1. The villain was the
best part, but Jared is not Jim Carrey.
>> Jim Carrey Skeletor.
>> Jim Carrey Skeletor.
>> Jim Carrey Skeletor is honestly, how did
they not do that?"
>> Yeah. And that was I feel like a big
part of why the Sonic movie felt big
because it was his return to like this.
Like
>> I don't know if you could have gotten
Mike Myers or something like that, but
another comedian of that era who hasn't
done this in a while. Yeah. And like
>> you know or even Adam Sandler I think
could have done something. But just like
it needed to have that
>> it needed to be a moment. Oh Jack,
>> don't give it to Jack Black's in too
much [ __ ] Sorry. No screen.
I've got one.
>> Okay.
>> Robert Downey Jr.
>> Why not? Yeah,
>> I've got one.
>> And he's a variant of Doom. [laughter]
>> And Skeletor, go woke, go broke.
[laughter]
>> My face looks like this from the
vaccines.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, it's like I feel like we will have
a and and I it's going to be,
>> you know, I'm I'm curious to see how
this movie um ages because I don't think
it's necessarily I've I've heard a
couple people call it the new the next
Speedraer. I don't think it's quite
there, but I do think it's a movie that
in a decade will get like people will
look back on it and go, "Oh, that was a
lot of fun." And it's weird that that
bombed right next to this other thing
that's now the biggest thing on Earth.
Is there a chance?
>> Oh, Bill.
>> Oh, yeah. He would have been great.
>> Is there a chance that this is gonna
fall in the same kind of category as
that Dungeons and Dragons movie a few
years ago that was like super fun and
really good? It should have started a
franchise in a un You're right. Yeah.
Sorry, Tom. I'm just asking.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Elephantis. I I don't know.
>> Melissa McCarthy
[laughter] told not even joking.
I I think the movie could have legs. I
mean, it is just early June.
>> Yeah.
>> Kids are out for school. True.
>> Maybe it'll have some legs, but I
thought the same thing about uh
Mandalorian and Grou. [laughter]
>> It dropped like 70%.
>> Dropped way worse than I thought it
would. I think it dropped
>> worse than Ant-Man Quantania. I think
Ant-Man Conttoania was like a 69%
>> and then this was at 74, which shocked
me.
>> Maybe it was 82. It was bad.
>> It dropped 69.4. four or something like
that. I think Quantum Mania was
it was like high 50s. Yeah, it was not
good or
>> Yeah, it was really bad. No, it was
higher 50s, I think. But anyway,
>> uh the Stas 2049 gave us five bucks and
said, "This movie doesn't need to make a
billion dollars to be successful. It
works for us Gen Xers. That's enough to
be a success." Well, well, I think
He-Man is a success in my heart. I'm
sure Amazon would also like more of our
money, too. Um,
>> yeah, that's the tough part is like how
do you make cheaper,
>> you know, like what is the budget
version of this movie? It really kind of
doesn't exist.
>> I think the budget
>> Yeah, I think we saw the budget version
of
>> It's in 1987. Yeah, you get
>> Well, how what was the budget on this
movie?
>> Probably maybe something like that.
>> Is it just me or did it feel a little
>> felt like a streaming movie a little
bit? Look movie
>> reported production budget between 170
and 200 million because it needed to
make around two and a half times its
budget to break even. The film's poor
opening makes it one of the summer box
office big swaps.
>> Well, I bet Skeletor was
>> according to Google AI answer which
takes from the Wikipedia article right
underneath it.
>> I gota turn off.
>> Yeah, Idris Elba probably wasn't cheap
and all the CG probably wasn't cheap.
It's probably
>> that was the CG. Yeah, definitely the
CG. Dolph London's cameo. probably paid
them. Um, Jordan Enrique gave us $5 and
said, "A big family in front of me at
the theater bought tickets to Scary
Movie Six."
>> And that's your target audience. Maybe
it was Scary Movie Six that stepped on
the toes.
>> That came out this week. Okay. Yeah, I
have no interest in that movie. I think
a movie
>> decent reviews. Hey, the first one was I
mean the first two were funny and then
amazing
>> or The Ways Brothers left the Zucker. I
think this one is I think a movie like
Scary Movie gets people that don't
normally go to the movies to go to the
movie. You know what I mean? Like I feel
like a lot of teenagers might go see
Scary Movie just
>> because like and you know they're loud
throughout the movie and don't really
even watch it. But
>> Oh my god. Could you yell at the cloud
louder Colton?
>> Well, you know, I go and I saw the
teenagers there and they were being loud
and I don't like it.
>> They are. There's so theater etiquette
does not exist.
>> Oh, I agree. No, I'm making fun of you.
I'm always the guy who finds an usher
and complains like there is someone on
their phone have to do something.
>> Dude, I was this my wife stopped me. I
was like, I'm going to lean over and ask
them if they plan on talking the entire
movie. And she was like, just go tell
the usher. I'm like, fine.
>> I've done that so many time. I've yelled
shut the [ __ ] up in theaters before. I
have absolutely been that guy. It's not
a fun position to be in.
>> What about mashed potatoes? Have you
ever had somebody try to talk to you
that you're with and you'd have to be
like,
>> "Oh, yeah.
>> Shut up."
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> No, but seriously.
>> Yeah. Shut up.
>> And we used to see a lot of theater,
too. And like that would you bring in
visitors from out of town, you're like
>> I said that to my nephew. He kept
throwing it away.
>> He kept asking me questions on a movie.
And by like the fourth time, like at
first I was like, "You got to whisper,
buddy. You got to like the fourth time
I'm like, "Stop talking." [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, with kids, it's different. I
mean, I don't know. a kid like
especially in a kids movie. If you go
see like I don't know Finding Dory is
probably the last time I was in a movie
and I was like wow there's children in
this room.
>> They get a pass. You know,
>> I will say one of my core memories as a
child was my father taking a full phone
call in the early like [laughter]
origin days of cell phones during a
screening of the Santa Claus with Tim
Allen. He took a COMPLETE PHONE CALL ON
A massive brick style [laughter] cell
phone
>> in 1995. Yeah, he probably had an
antenna with him, too.
>> He did. It was insanity. And nobody
batted an eyelash because I think
they're all dazzled that a man had this
contraction in the theater. But it was
uh I'll never forget the embarrassment
that I felt. [laughter]
>> Mashed potatoes gave us two bucks and
said Jared Leto strikes again. He really
is. He's worse box office poison than
Carrot Top to quote.
>> Does he have other stuff in the future
that we can like bet against somehow or
something like that? those predictive
[laughter] markets.
>> What's the rest of his his cuz he's so
like and I feel like eventually it's one
of those things where like it's going to
take time for the kind of producers to
react to like this. So I can see why
there's a couple of years of this
happening but eventually it's got to
burst right like there's going to
>> Yeah. The thing is though, if you want
to bet like that, Poly Market offers a
great
>> Oh, God. No. That's the one.
>> They've got to do one of those. Long
story.
>> They've got to do a three Joker's film
adaptation and bring or a Batman No Way
Home. Do Batman.
>> That is the That is the worst Batman. I
hate that story. Anyways, Operation
Spider gave us five Australian dollars
and said with He-Man flopping, what does
this mean for other 1990s IP or or
1900's IP? [laughter]
1990s. God,
>> he actually wrote 1900's IP. So,
basically for the Al Jolson movie that
all the kids were looking forward to as
well, the entire century. I'm looking
forward to the supposed Power Rangers
reboot, but I doubt if it's How many
reboots of the Power Rangers have we
gotten at this point? But the franchise
is still Ghost even though they're not
>> Yeah,
there's anything from the 1900s that can
really go and like would have legs in an
adaptation. I mean, it's a question of
like what because and I have this
question or I ask this question a lot
about um Harry Potter is like do kids
now does a 10-year-old now know what
Harry Potter is and care and it's that
with Power Rangers and it's that with
like it could be that with Spider-Man.
The answer to Spider-Man is yes cuz they
keep making cartoons and the movies keep
kind of hitting but like with
generational as well,
>> right? Yeah. There's a lot of like that
and that's why with this one I kind of
see how where the gap was where people
just weren't really thinking about
Masters of the Universe very much. But
um yeah, I don't know like Transformers
can Transformers get back there because
they're kind of you know Ninja Turtles
they're kind of that last movie. But
when Transformers came out in 2005, that
was only 20 years after their their
heyday in the 80s. And we had had, you
know, Beast Wars and some other shows
that were less successful, but that
franchise had had I'm telling you, like
He-Man Toys, you there's a great
documentary episode of the toys that
made us about this. They just overnight
dropped off a cliff. Like I remember
even as a kid being like, I'm good.
>> And it was crazy how that happened. I
feel like this movie came out like I
don't know five 10 years too late
because we've moved on
>> we've moved on to to 90s is the
nostalgia film now that that's where
they're going cuz we had that little
trend where you know they were pulling
from 80s stuff but now we're kind of
>> usually every 20 years fashion is in 20
years cycles
>> like Ryan you're the target demo for I
mean right because you're what like
mid-40s right like you're
>> Oh no no no I'm the he they made the
trailer for me. Yeah. I know. Yeah, it
said some Watch this Ryan at the end of
it 100%.
>> You know what what I want to see is a
like seven style cop thriller about a
criminal profiler that has to find a
serial killer amongst a a crowd a
diverse crowd of people.
I'll guess who the game and he just has
to [laughter] go down and then at the
end there's just a guy standing like in
a in Time Square sipping sipping a diet
coke eating a hot dog and HE'S LIKE
YOU'RE TOM AND THEN
>> but but you laugh but this okay so this
keeps happening in Hollywood though
because there was going to be a Monopoly
movie made by Ridley Scott around the
time they made Battleship right there
was going to be um oh oh give me a
second um let's see the oh yeah the
other franchise They were developing for
a little bit. They were diving headlong
into 80s stuff. In the 90s, it was
remakes of TV shows from the 50s for
some reason. Beverly Hillbillies and the
Brady Bunch. Like that's when they were
doing all of that.
>> Yeah. Bewitched, right? So that was a
big thing for a little bit. It really is
somebody does it successful, everybody
else hops on board. And I think He-Man
in part because it's also Mattel is
people going, "Oh, well, what other toys
and properties are there?"
>> And this is a big sign that it won't
keep going.
>> A Monopoly movie would be brilliant. You
could do like Wolf of Wall Street, like
Moneyball type of movie with Monopoly.
>> The thing they were going to do. Yeah,
they you go they went into Monopoly
world. It was actually a little bit like
what we got with Barbie. Um
>> I believe. But yeah, really.
>> Yeah.
>> I would have liked to have seen an
Oliver Stone Monopoly movie. That would
be
>> conspiracies.
Yeah.
>> Park place is owned by the Saudis.
Follow the oil money. [laughter]
Mikeu gave us two about three bucks
Canadian and said Letto felt like the
worst part and the dialogue. I mean
again I liked Leto in the movie but
>> I thought Skeletor was the best part of
the movie. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> See Skeletor tough though because I do
think he feels like the he feels like
out of out of all the characters the
most weediny character where he is the
character who's like I'm doing a
monologue now. You guys should laugh at
my monologue. And I still do find those
bits entertaining, but I don't
necessarily think he fit with what like
Alison Brie was doing, which I do think
I like more. And like I think that
really really on like ontarget campy
version of uh Evelyn Eivelyn. Um feels
like it's it's in a different like I
don't know, it's a different space. Um
but you know, I also think anybody else
could have done that that Skeletor.
That's my la last kind of you give
anybody with charisma that role and
they'll get you something as good as
that cuz it's Skeletor. He's like so
agreeing weird.
>> Any voice actor really could have done
>> and shout out shout out the script then
because we're all praising Skeletor and
we're saying it's in spite of
>> Ryan. I am shocked by the lack of
Allison Brie commentary from you.
>> I love Alison Brie, man. She's great.
[laughter] Loved her in community. Had
the biggest crush on her. I think she's
just great in this movie. She can do
anything. Low deserved a fifth season.
That was her prestige drama. And uh I
think if they have to recast She-Hulk,
it should be her. I think she's
fantastic.
>> Oh, that would be something. Yeah.
>> Apparently, we walked by her in an
airport once and I didn't see her and I
was like, "You've got to be [ __ ]
kidding me." Anyways, [clears throat] Q
Man, WPG gave us 10 Canadian dollars.
This will be our last super chat, I
think. Well, I thought Masters of the
Universe was okay. Letto being my
favorite part. I feel the franchise
recognition also played a part. Could
there be another Mattel franchise they
could mash it up with for a potential
sequel? Well,
>> why did they call it Masters of the Uni?
Why didn't they call it He-Man? Nobody
knows what the [ __ ] Masters of the
Universe is.
>> Because the show was called He-Man and
the M It's fine. It's a long story, but
yeah, valid point.
>> Yeah. Why does Why does the show not
just called He-Man? Like He-Man's
clearly the guy. I feel like there's
something connected to the idea of
He-Man that is unpalatable to people.
But I mean, it's still better than
calling Masters of the Universe. But
yeah, they asked about other Mattel
properties that could do this.
>> Yeah. Or just whatever. Yeah. I mean,
you can expand past that.
>> Yeah. What would have been cool is, you
know, you do
>> the Ninja Turtles, G.I. Joe,
Transformers, and Masters of the
Universe. But I think Transformers and
G.I. Joe. That's Hasbro, right? And then
you have Matt. Yeah. So,
>> they were going to do a crossover for a
long time. That was the plan. I think
>> you could do an Avengers kind of movie.
Have He-Man be the Thor. You bring in
Snake Eyes. You bring in uh Bumblebee
and which one of the turtles? Maybe
Michael. Oh god, I'm getting really
excited. Bring in a Power Ranger, too.
>> Looking at the list of them now, if I
had to call some of these I'm like,
okay, this is a movie that this could be
a movie. American Girl doll that's owned
by Mattel. That could be a movie. It's
not one I
>> And the movie rights are owned by a lot
of them by Paramount that you just
named, too. I think they have Ninja
Turtles and Transformers and G.I. Joe.
So that's true that and also I mean if
if it goes through Warner Brothers and
Paramount same thing Warner Brothers has
Barbie. I mean
>> but the thing is my whole point is I
think people don't give a [ __ ] about
that kind of thing anymore. I think even
like in terms of the MCU,
>> um the only reason the big crossover
movies worked is because we enjoyed the
previous movies and we were eager to see
these people who we liked in Iraq. And
somewhere along the line, I kind of feel
like that got shuffled away, not just
with the MCU, but with a lot of these um
you know, Fast and Furious jumping the
shark, aka the nuclear submarine in the
Arctic. But anyways, I could go on, but
we should probably wrap up there.
>> American Girl dolls should be a horror
movie.
>> Oh, that'd be interesting. Yeah,
>> I'm a [snorts] little disappointed in
that subg genre as well. The blood and
honeys and stuff like that not being any
good. That's a fun idea.
>> Those are trash. But
>> Peter Pan is like ripe for it.
>> Last thought on the on the Mattel stuff
because I do I'm s not surprised because
I'm sure they've been working on this
for a while like a He-Man movie. I feel
like the for me the obvious move was
this is the movie you put Ken in. Have
Ken travel to the He-Man universe and
learn about masculinity from the other
toys that are there.
>> And that's your kind of here's a movie
star. here's an event. Like that's what
this movie was lacking. It's a different
movie, but um I feel like there's
something there uh that, you know, we'll
see what they end up doing with those
because I'm I'm sure they want to spin
Barbie in other directions so they can
get the most out of that and
>> and I'm sure they never can because I
don't think anyone in that cast will do
it unless it's a different Ken like I
can see that
>> they have been trying to make this movie
forever. Didn't Kevin Smith like pin a
script for this or something?
>> Well, he Yeah. And he did the Netflix
series. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. other people have over the years
too and since the 20s I remember reading
about this in um Wizard magazine like in
the 2000s they were trying to get this
done and I think instead what we're
going to get instead of like a big
sprawling Masters of the Universe
cinematic universe what we're likely
going to get
>> is something more time she well we're
going to get Shira no matter what I
think they're gonna if they do another
big screen release they're going to be
and call it He-Man and Shira and that's
that'll be the name of it the secret of
the sword which was their first TV movie
I think that it's gonna go the way of
see
He-Man and Shira quantum mania. [snorts]
>> There you go. He-Man and Shira. They
don't know their brother and sister, so
they might kiss. Get that crowd. But
anyways um
>> do well in middle America. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. Hi people. Um DD Hey gave us 23 24
and said talking about Hasbro, Magic the
Gathering could have been the project.
By the way, any Easter eggs in the
Marvel edition coming out? Um
>> Oh yeah. Have you guys seen those cards?
They're very funny. There's a I'm not a
big magic guy, but Magic is doing its
like I think it's called like World
Beyond World or something where they
kind of have different universes. And
there's apparently a um Sauron card.
Sauron the lizard man that either heals
you by curing cancer or turns one of the
guys in your card like set into a
dinosaur. So like that's the kind of
level of weird. Yeah. I uh I I the one
thing about it is there's very few
X-Men. So, I do feel like they're saving
a lot of the X-Men for later, which will
be the most exciting one. But, um, but
yeah people
>> people seem to have fun with these.
Like, I'm not a big magic guy, but uh,
but yeah, there have been some cool
things. And isn't there a magic movie
coming out? I want to say the guy from
front of the band, the show, the movie
is working on it. Like,
>> magic was always when that became the
thing. I remember and I was in high
school and I I that's when I watched it
and I watched my friends doing it and I
said, I think I'm good. I think that's
the part of fandom that I'm going to
leave over there. And it's no shade to
anybody who does it. It's it's huge and
it kept comic books shops afloat for
years with match tournaments.
>> So, but my expertise in that is like
it's a giant gaping black hole. Guys, we
got to wrap it up. I'm so I can do this
all day.
>> Um, but Nando, you can find him on the
mostly nitpicking podcast or on his
channel which is linked below. Matt, so
good to see you. Please come on again.
>> Yeah,
>> absolutely. Hopefully
>> nonbomb in the future. Hopefully for a
what a non a movie that is successful
and cool.
>> We would love it. Come on anytime. We do
this just about every day. See you
later. And oh [ __ ] Tommy. Oh my god.
>> Oh my god. Janet, get your hands off my
nunchucks. I got to go, guys. I'm so
sorry.
>> See you later. And Colton, of course,
you can find him here on the channel or
his own channel, which is linked below.
>> That's the crescendo.
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