[0:00] Hi everyone and welcome to the Cognitive
[0:01] Recalibration podcast. As always, I'm
[0:03] your host Shvin.
[0:04] >> Hello.
[0:05] >> We've got Kar here with us.
[0:07] >> Welcome.
[0:08] >> Torren is not here with us because he
[0:10] still hasn't seen um what we're
[0:13] reviewing today. So
[0:15] >> disappoint.
[0:16] >> What we thought we would talk about was
[0:19] uh is the phenomenon that has become
[0:21] Demon Slayer. So
[0:24] >> massive phenomenon. In particular, we're
[0:26] going to focus our discussion mostly on
[0:28] the movie Infinity Castle, but we will
[0:29] talk about the series as well uh in
[0:33] mostly in summary and we will jump to
[0:35] spoilers later, but we'll keep it
[0:36] non-spoiler for now cuz a lot of people
[0:39] may not have seen this yet. But a bit of
[0:41] background about the movie, particularly
[0:43] how just highlighting how successful
[0:45] this actually is.
[0:46] >> Hey, is this your is this first anime
[0:48] we're doing on this channel? It's we've
[0:50] done bits of anime as like I've
[0:52] mentioned it as like sub reviews like it
[0:55] hasn't been a main
[0:57] >> main review. Okay, cool.
[0:59] >> This is the first time we're devoting an
[1:00] actual full episode to
[1:02] >> Hopefully we get a new audience.
[1:03] >> Let's see.
[1:04] >> We'll find out. You're going to have to
[1:05] milk this algorithm
[1:06] >> in terms of how successful it is. So,
[1:08] just a couple of stats. Firstly, um it's
[1:11] made on a budget of 20 million. Box
[1:14] office worldwide at the moment 730
[1:17] million. And just to put that into
[1:19] perspective, what that means this year,
[1:23] it's Outgross,
[1:25] How to Train Your Dragon, the live
[1:27] action.
[1:28] >> I totally forgot that was a movie.
[1:30] [laughter]
[1:30] >> F1. Oh, wow. Yeah.
[1:32] >> Superman, Mission Impossible: Final
[1:34] Reckoning, and Fantastic 4.
[1:37] >> Yeah. Wow. Okay.
[1:38] >> So, it's across all of them. The only
[1:40] ones that are above it are Jurassic
[1:43] World which
[1:44] I guess Jurassic movies always make
[1:46] money. Oh, the Scarlet. Yeah. What's
[1:48] that? [clears throat]
[1:48] >> Rebirth.
[1:49] >> Rebirth.
[1:50] >> Yeah.
[1:50] >> Oh, I actually need to watch it, but
[1:52] >> it's not good. [laughter] Not good.
[1:55] >> Um, Minecraft, which I guess is has its
[1:58] own
[1:58] >> Oh, yeah.
[1:59] >> big fan base. Um,
[2:00] >> how much did that make?
[2:02] >> 957 million.
[2:03] >> But what was the budget?
[2:04] >> Minecraft. Oh, it would be more than
[2:06] this for sure.
[2:07] >> So, on like percentage basis, it would
[2:09] be through the roof, right?
[2:11] >> Minecraft was 150 million budget.
[2:13] >> Yeah. So, this would take it home.
[2:15] >> Yeah. In terms of
[2:15] >> What is this? This is 3,000% profit.
[2:18] >> 22. What's that?
[2:20] >> It's like 35 times.
[2:21] >> Yeah, that's right.
[2:23] >> 35,000.
[2:23] >> Yeah.
[2:24] >> Holy [ __ ]
[2:25] >> Yeah.
[2:26] >> Uh Lilo and Stitch.
[2:27] >> No. 3,500. Sorry. Yeah. Anyway,
[2:29] >> Lilo and Stitch um made a billion. So
[2:32] that's number two. And uh number one is
[2:35] another animated movie. Um that's not in
[2:38] English. So Nazar 2 from China.
[2:41] >> Wait, Lilo and Stitch made what? A
[2:43] billion.
[2:43] >> A billion. the live action and stitch.
[2:45] >> I didn't hear about the one I knew it
[2:47] was a movie, but I didn't hear that it
[2:49] was that popular.
[2:50] >> Yeah, it was.
[2:51] >> What? Okay.
[2:52] >> It's actually one of the better live
[2:54] action movies.
[2:55] >> Like in terms of what's what Disney has
[2:57] done,
[2:58] >> one of the better ones. Um, still
[3:00] >> probably not
[3:01] >> unnecessary, man. What's wrong with
[3:02] Disney? Seriously.
[3:04] >> But yeah, the highest grossing film so
[3:05] far this year is Near 2 from China. Um,
[3:09] 2.2 billion.
[3:10] >> What the hell is that about? What is
[3:12] that movie? Um, it's an an I've seen it.
[3:14] It's an animated uh Chinese film about a
[3:17] also a demon. A human demon.
[3:20] >> So like fantasy genre.
[3:21] >> Yeah.
[3:21] >> Okay.
[3:22] >> Yeah.
[3:22] >> Cool.
[3:23] >> Um, sequel to what was their highest
[3:25] grossing film, Chinese film. Yeah.
[3:28] >> Interesting.
[3:29] >> So 2.2. So
[3:30] >> might need to check it out.
[3:32] >> It's It's good. Yeah,
[3:33] >> it's quite good actually. Um, animation
[3:35] is it's different to anime. I think
[3:37] Chinese animation is a little bit it's a
[3:40] little bit different, but it's it's
[3:41] still very good. Um, it's hard to see
[3:44] anything beating that actually this
[3:45] year, unless the only other movie that's
[3:47] going to probably beat it is Avatar.
[3:49] >> Is that coming out this year?
[3:50] >> Yeah, in a couple weeks.
[3:52] >> Oh, okay.
[3:53] >> Demon Slayer.
[3:54] >> Yeah.
[3:54] >> Hugely successful this year.
[3:56] >> Um, so let's get into our thoughts on
[3:58] it. So, firstly, what what do you think
[4:01] of the series as a whole before we talk
[4:03] about the movie? Um yeah, I was actually
[4:06] I enjoy the series quite a bit. Um I so
[4:10] about a year ago I was advised to watch
[4:13] Demon Slayer and so I did watch it but I
[4:16] actually got very bored at the start so
[4:17] I didn't watch it again but then after I
[4:20] watched JJK I then decided to just keep
[4:24] watching and then I knew that this was a
[4:25] phenomenon.
[4:26] >> Yeah. I think I was watching Demon
[4:28] Slayer while you watching JJK or I
[4:30] started watching Demon Slay. I think I
[4:31] just finished AJK and then you said you
[4:33] watching Demon Slayer.
[4:34] >> Yeah.
[4:35] >> And so then I was like, "Okay, I'm going
[4:36] to watch it as well." And you said it
[4:37] was very easy to you can get through it
[4:38] quite quickly. So
[4:39] >> yeah, even though it was like seven,
[4:41] whatever seasons, seven, six,
[4:43] >> five, I think.
[4:44] >> Five seasons. Yeah.
[4:45] >> But um yeah, um yeah, quite enjoyable. I
[4:49] think it's much easier as I think
[4:51] overall when it comes to animes, I think
[4:53] it's very gentle as a series compared to
[4:56] something like So JJK is very rough. It
[4:59] is like down and dirty sort of straight
[5:03] into crazy lore and crazy [ __ ] that
[5:06] happens. Demon Slayer I think takes a
[5:08] little while and introduces you to
[5:11] things much easier and so it's more
[5:13] palatable I think for a lot of people.
[5:14] That's probably why it's so popular.
[5:16] >> Um [clears throat]
[5:17] >> but yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought it
[5:19] does take a while to pick up but then
[5:21] once it starts picking up in season 2
[5:23] slash with the movie Muggan Train um it
[5:26] becomes really good. Um, and yeah, very
[5:28] easy to binge and they're quite short
[5:30] episodes. So, um, I think I b I binge
[5:32] like four seasons in one day. So,
[5:35] >> yeah.
[5:35] >> Um, so the first season has like 20
[5:39] something episodes. I think it's like 24
[5:40] episodes or something.
[5:41] >> But then after that, it's
[5:42] >> after that it's shorter. So, I think
[5:44] it's like 10 per season and the episodes
[5:46] are like 20 minutes long, maybe 22.
[5:48] They're not long. Um, so it is like once
[5:52] you get over like I think the first five
[5:54] episodes are a bit slow. Like it takes
[5:57] its time to get into it. What I find
[5:59] with Demon Slayer is it's not really
[6:01] plot driven. Like there is a plot. Like
[6:04] there's an overall bad guy that they're
[6:07] chasing, etc. But it's more character-
[6:09] driven. So there's a lot of backstory. A
[6:12] lot of it is actually backstory
[6:14] >> um for for all the different characters.
[6:16] And they kind of get you to understand
[6:18] all the different motivations of not
[6:20] just the sort of good characters, but
[6:22] also the the bad characters like the
[6:25] demons as well. They um not necessarily
[6:28] want you to like them, but at least you
[6:30] can understand where they come from a
[6:32] lot of them. So that's what I
[6:34] appreciated actually, like more the
[6:37] character depth that they go into.
[6:39] >> Yeah, that's true. They always do have
[6:41] um quite core um flashbacks for
[6:45] especially well for Tanja quite a bit.
[6:47] >> Yeah.
[6:47] >> But even like the Yeah.
[6:48] >> Even the secondary characters like the
[6:50] Hashira characters and the main demons
[6:53] that they fight as well.
[6:55] >> There's usually a
[6:56] >> it's it's interesting cuz like it kind
[6:58] of follows usually you want to end on a
[7:01] high so like you end with action but
[7:04] they always do they end with a
[7:06] backstory. So that like they basically
[7:09] kill a demon. So there's like a heap of
[7:12] action. They kill a demon, but then it
[7:14] ends with the demon's backstory and
[7:16] that's how like
[7:17] >> the seasons end essentially
[7:19] >> mostly.
[7:20] >> Yeah, actually. Does that Yeah, true.
[7:22] True. I guess Yeah. I mean, it probably
[7:25] comes down to what you were saying
[7:26] before where whoever's written this or I
[7:30] actually don't know who wrote this or
[7:31] kind of wrote this.
[7:32] >> So, it is a manga that's been that's
[7:34] done, I think, but it started in 2016.
[7:36] So that's a pretty recent like
[7:38] relatively speaking pretty recent.
[7:39] >> Yeah. So in the last like 10 years it's
[7:41] been kind of completed.
[7:42] >> Yeah.
[7:42] >> But whoever wrote it, credit to them. I
[7:44] mean like Yeah. I think their main focus
[7:46] is generally on like motivations of
[7:48] characters. So that's probably why
[7:50] >> they go that's probably why when finally
[7:53] after like a boss battle or whatever,
[7:55] they'll get to the boss and try and go
[7:58] into their, you know, what motivated
[8:00] them in the in the first place, what
[8:01] kind of caused all this. Um
[8:03] >> yeah. So it is very interesting. that
[8:05] makes it a bit different to other anime.
[8:07] So, it's not just about the action.
[8:09] Although the action is really good,
[8:11] especially I think it goes to another
[8:13] level in the movie. Um, but the action
[8:15] is always very good, but it's not just
[8:17] about the fights. It's there is um a bit
[8:21] of depth in terms of the actual
[8:22] character development as well. So, I I
[8:25] did also watch all of the seasons
[8:28] basically back to back before we watched
[8:29] the movie. Um, and yeah, like once you
[8:33] get past season one, like it's just
[8:36] there's always a hook at the end of each
[8:37] episode, so you just want to keep
[8:38] watching it. Um, my personal favorite
[8:41] was probably season
[8:44] I like both season 3 and four, so the
[8:47] Entertainment District arc and also the
[8:50] Swordsmith Village. Both of them were
[8:52] really good. The last one, the Hashira
[8:54] training arc, it's more just like a
[8:57] >> a ramp into this movie. So, it's like
[8:59] setting up for this movie. But
[9:00] >> there's no like real [clears throat]
[9:03] >> underlying arc in that that actual last
[9:05] season.
[9:06] >> I found um in my head I kind of treated
[9:11] >> um the swordsmith village and the hash
[9:13] training arc
[9:14] >> as just like part one and part two
[9:16] essentially.
[9:17] >> They very similar setting sort of stuff.
[9:21] >> Entertainment district was very cool.
[9:23] >> Yeah. Um, what's really what was really
[9:26] cool about that was the way they started
[9:29] it. They started it with introducing you
[9:32] to that hashira and then he kind of
[9:35] wait.
[9:37] Yeah. Yeah. They introduced you to the
[9:39] hashira and then he's kind of explained
[9:41] what's happened and what you need to do
[9:42] and then I think from memory at the end
[9:45] of like episode one or at the start of
[9:47] episode two it just just thrusts you in
[9:49] this scene of the entertainment
[9:50] district. It's very cool. like you're
[9:52] kind of thrown into this um secret kind
[9:56] of spy mission sort of.
[9:57] >> Yeah. And the three are like split up
[9:58] into different places as well and
[10:00] they're they're all experiencing
[10:02] different things. So it's it's
[10:04] >> Yeah, it was um No, it was very cool. I
[10:07] I definitely did enjoy that. And I think
[10:08] it's the first time it's the first time
[10:10] where you're actually going like
[10:12] hunting. Um you're actually going
[10:15] hunting. So, it's um quite cool as
[10:17] opposed to,
[10:19] you know, some demon rocks up at some
[10:21] stage. It's like, okay, now they're
[10:22] actually trying to find out more. And I
[10:24] think that's also a big hook. So, once
[10:27] season 2 is good, but once you get into
[10:30] season two is what?
[10:31] >> Season two is Muggan Train technically.
[10:33] >> That's right. Yeah. Muggan Train arc.
[10:34] Yep.
[10:35] >> Yeah.
[10:35] >> Um Yeah. Once you get into season 3,
[10:37] it's it's
[10:38] >> it's like you're
[10:40] >> the focus is about demons and slaying
[10:42] those demons. It's not
[10:48] interrupt.
[10:52] >> You've already met these really cool
[10:53] hasher as well and so you're like, "Oh,
[10:55] cool." You get to know them quite a bit
[10:57] as well.
[10:58] >> That's right. Yeah. And there was It's
[10:59] good that they had a hashira, at least
[11:01] one hash in each of the seasons after
[11:04] that. And I think Muggan Train was
[11:05] important because um spoilers for Mugan
[11:08] Train but they do the stakes are sort of
[11:11] set up by that movie because like
[11:13] Hashira dies in that movie. So like
[11:15] basically it means that anything can
[11:16] happen going forward.
[11:18] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[11:19] >> So
[11:20] >> and the cool thing is that in that fight
[11:23] where Aashira dies I mean we canok
[11:27] >> Rangoku. Yeah. I mean
[11:29] >> good luck if you if you're watching this
[11:31] and you haven't seen it. Yeah.
[11:32] >> Yeah.
[11:33] >> Bad decision. Um,
[11:34] >> definitely if you haven't seen Demon
[11:35] Slay, just go go watch the the seasons
[11:38] and the episodes now. We recommend it
[11:40] and we also recommend the movie. So,
[11:42] definitely go watch all
[11:43] >> Definitely. Definitely.
[11:44] >> So, now we'll do spoilers from
[11:46] >> We'll probably just open it up to Yeah,
[11:48] it's very hard to speak about all these
[11:49] without spoiling it.
[11:51] >> But one of the cool things in that the
[11:54] movie or at the end of that season is
[11:56] that they actually show you how p
[11:58] powerful Rangoku is as a hashira and
[12:01] then he dies. So, it's like, all right,
[12:05] you've introduced this epic character
[12:06] and then the stakes are really high for
[12:08] someone that you just kind of introduce
[12:10] as being awesome at fighting. Definitely
[12:12] better like than Tanuro to an extent.
[12:14] And um and yeah, and they just die. They
[12:18] die on you. So, it's actually it's quite
[12:20] uh Yeah. And quite an emotional kind of
[12:22] ending, but um it is it is very cool.
[12:26] >> Yeah.
[12:26] >> Yeah. And then in season 3 cuz you think
[12:29] they've killed the demon but they they
[12:32] don't like multiple times in that like
[12:34] they think they've killed it and then
[12:35] there's another demon that comes out and
[12:37] then there's one stage where like
[12:39] everyone looks like they're dead except
[12:41] Tiro
[12:42] >> um in in Entertainment
[12:44] >> Entertainment District. Yeah.
[12:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um but then
[12:47] >> and then that also happens in four.
[12:50] >> Yes. I think in
[12:51] >> four it goes it kind of goes
[12:53] >> it goes crazy where
[12:54] >> Yeah. the that is genuinely some the
[12:58] demons kind of don't even to an extent
[13:01] they don't even kind of follow any
[13:03] rules. It just becomes like this thing
[13:05] that they just can't defeat and they
[13:07] keep trying to they're going in circles
[13:09] trying to defeat this person. But um
[13:11] yeah, so you definitely it does keep
[13:13] escalating each season which is good. I
[13:15] think that's a good thing. Um, and then
[13:17] that leads us to this movie because at
[13:19] the end of the Hashia training arc, it
[13:22] basically left us on a cliffhanger. I
[13:25] don't actually know when that season
[13:26] came out because if you watched that and
[13:27] you were waiting like 2 years for this
[13:29] movie to come out, that would have been
[13:30] painful. Um, we obviously just watched
[13:32] it and then went to the movie. So, yeah,
[13:35] >> that was although I was very hype
[13:37] because at the end of that
[13:39] >> I I did enjoy the fact that so a lot of
[13:42] So, this is actually a criticism of JJK,
[13:45] right? I won't go into spoilers on JJK,
[13:47] but
[13:48] >> the JJK movie is coming out next week.
[13:51] >> Yes.
[13:51] >> Yes. So maybe we'll talk about that. But
[13:53] um
[13:53] >> so in my brain because I've actually
[13:55] unfortunately I have read the manga and
[13:58] I would not recommend it to
[13:59] >> of JJK. Yeah.
[14:01] >> JJK after so continuing on from season
[14:05] 2's ending of the anime and I read the
[14:08] manga continuation of that going
[14:09] forward. Would not recommend that. So in
[14:11] my brain it's all kind of molded
[14:12] together. But there are points in JJK
[14:16] where people do training or they take
[14:18] time to develop and there's actually
[14:22] time spent away from you can call it the
[14:24] camera or from the actual scenes that
[14:26] are shown but no one knows that and like
[14:29] kind of it's not emphasized at all and
[14:31] then you realize it
[14:32] >> stuff like offscreen.
[14:34] >> Exactly. It's like offscreen it's kind
[14:36] of all this and it's kind of stupid.
[14:38] Right. I think one of the things you
[14:40] tend to enjoy is actually having some
[14:42] time dedicated to showing the characters
[14:45] training or getting stronger or actually
[14:46] the things they go through. And I think
[14:50] one of the like for example in Harry
[14:52] Potter they do that as well where of
[14:54] well they do it in the books so the
[14:55] movie is totally trash anyway that's a
[14:57] controversial opinion but I stand by it
[14:58] but in the books they actually spend a
[15:00] lot of time when characters and kind of
[15:04] JK Rowling writes about it in multiple
[15:07] ways of just like say that you know
[15:09] Harry Hermione Ron are going through
[15:11] like months and months of just doing
[15:12] lessons and learning things and it's and
[15:15] emphasizes it's really boring and they
[15:17] get really depressed, but it's like kind
[15:18] of things that we've all been through
[15:19] when we're studying or whatever it is,
[15:21] but you know that there has been some
[15:23] development of character and they've
[15:24] kind of been through it and that's why
[15:26] they're actually better at magic at the
[15:28] end. And this is also similar. It's like
[15:29] this hush training arc. You watch all
[15:31] these people do some crazy amounts of
[15:33] training and you know
[15:35] >> uh and you watch also like some actually
[15:38] genuinely useless students actually
[15:40] become really strong quite good.
[15:42] >> So, and it all kind of links up to the
[15:44] movie. So, I actually appreciate that.
[15:46] That's actually kind of it is it also it
[15:49] it's to an extent it's kind of boring
[15:51] cuz it's training but I think it's a
[15:53] necessary evil that you need to kind of
[15:54] watch
[15:55] >> because suddenly things get really
[15:57] intense in the movie.
[15:58] >> That's right.
[15:59] >> Um
[15:59] >> and you can understand like oh these
[16:01] guys have been training so they're
[16:02] prepared for this like if you just
[16:04] jumped into the movie they'll like
[16:05] >> who the hell are these guys how they're
[16:08] fighting all these Davids. So it Yeah.
[16:09] And I think the last season was good cuz
[16:11] you also get a bit of backstory on
[16:14] >> each of the hashira. Um, so some of them
[16:16] you already get a backstory in the
[16:17] previous seasons, but like uh the stone
[16:20] hashira, like you don't know much about
[16:22] him, so you get a bit of backstory about
[16:23] him.
[16:24] >> You get a bit of backstory on
[16:27] >> the mist hash.
[16:28] >> Yeah. But you do get that in um
[16:30] swordsmith village as well, cuz he's in
[16:33] >> Yeah.
[16:34] >> Then do you get her in the love?
[16:37] >> That's also in Swordsmith, I think, cuz
[16:39] she's in that one as well. Yeah.
[16:41] >> Yeah.
[16:41] >> Yeah. I think it's only the stone one
[16:43] actually cuz you his Yeah, you get a bit
[16:45] of you still don't know much about the
[16:47] serpent dude. Um
[16:48] >> but you get a backstory about the master
[16:51] >> in that's
[16:53] >> Yes, you do.
[16:55] >> towards it like after he reveals kind of
[16:57] his plan to an extent.
[16:58] >> Yeah.
[16:58] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Um so
[17:01] it's still like it's the the good thing
[17:03] is I don't think there's much if not any
[17:06] filler in in Demon Slayer. I feel like
[17:08] everything's pretty important. there
[17:10] like you could argue maybe the you don't
[17:12] resonate with some of the comedy like in
[17:14] season one there's a bit of comedy with
[17:15] like Zenitsu and Inoske when they're
[17:18] just like
[17:19] >> generally the comedy with Zenitu is
[17:21] terrible I don't think it resonates I
[17:23] actually don't think it resonates with a
[17:25] lot of western audiences I'm not sure
[17:28] about the Japanese audience but I know
[17:31] I've heard online and I've heard from
[17:33] other people that like me they also just
[17:35] get pissed off when it's when Zenus is
[17:38] not
[17:38] >> a bit more
[17:40] I don't know, maybe just culturally
[17:42] makes more sense when you watch it in
[17:44] Japanese.
[17:45] >> I think I think in once you translate
[17:47] it, I think it just sounds actually
[17:50] pretty creepy some of the stuff he's
[17:52] he's saying.
[17:54] >> But also, I find that he's the only one
[17:56] where suddenly he just becomes an idiot.
[17:59] And there's no there's no one else in
[18:02] this whole series that just becomes so
[18:04] there's like um what's his name? uh the
[18:07] beast dude
[18:08] >> in Oscar.
[18:08] >> In Osake is generally just kind of
[18:11] cracked in the head throughout and so
[18:14] >> he's his character's kind of always like
[18:17] that but will get
[18:19] >> I think he has natural fluctuations in
[18:21] his character where he needs to get
[18:22] serious or whatever and his character in
[18:24] general is just kind of funny cuz he's a
[18:26] bit unhinged but this um Zenitu guy is
[18:29] just like
[18:30] >> he goes from one extreme to the other.
[18:32] >> Yeah. The unfortunate part is there's
[18:34] only few times until this movie where
[18:36] he's fortunately locked in the whole
[18:38] time, which is really cool. But prior to
[18:40] this, he's locked in for like bloody
[18:43] three and a half seconds for the whole
[18:45] seven or five seasons, I feel like, and
[18:47] the rest is just him being an idiot. And
[18:49] so after a while, for me at least, it
[18:51] actually got really annoying. In fact,
[18:52] when I was on Crunchyroll, I would just
[18:54] actually start skipping. I'll just be
[18:55] like, "Yeah, yeah, okay. I'll get to
[18:56] that. I'm just like so sick of this."
[18:58] >> But he does have an arc though. like
[19:00] especially in this movie as well, like
[19:02] they kind of complete what's going on
[19:04] with him a little bit. So
[19:05] >> yeah, I think I think they introduce a
[19:08] lot of the ingredients to his arc
[19:09] previously and they're actually kind of
[19:11] molded together in this movie.
[19:12] >> Yeah,
[19:13] >> maybe it is because
[19:15] >> maybe it is because that maybe they did
[19:17] get feedback that a lot of people are
[19:19] sick of this guy and they're like, "All
[19:20] right, let's let this guy kind of lock
[19:21] in for this movie and actually cuz
[19:23] there's no there's nothing stupid that
[19:25] he does in this movie."
[19:26] >> Yeah. Well, there's no scope for comedy
[19:28] in this movie. Like, it's pretty
[19:30] serious.
[19:30] >> That's true. That's true.
[19:31] >> It's pretty serious throughout. Like,
[19:32] whereas like even in Mugan Train, there
[19:34] was like a bit of bit of banter and
[19:36] stuff in that, but in this there's like
[19:38] there's no space for that. So, it's
[19:41] >> Yeah.
[19:41] >> Yeah.
[19:41] >> Well, cuz essentially the whole movie
[19:43] they're trapped in the Infinity Castle,
[19:44] which is like this
[19:46] >> dark creepy trap of a castle and there
[19:49] is
[19:49] >> filled with demons and
[19:50] >> there's no downtime. You're constantly
[19:52] being invaded by demons. So yeah, you
[19:54] can't you can't really joke around.
[19:56] You'll just die. Like if you do, you'll
[19:58] die. So
[19:59] >> um
[19:59] >> but yeah, like in season one there are
[20:01] like, you know, after they fight the
[20:04] spider family
[20:06] >> um
[20:07] >> in that in that forest, the mountain and
[20:09] then they go to this like old ladies
[20:12] place to like recover and like
[20:15] >> and there's like about two episodes
[20:18] where it's just comedy. Like it's just
[20:19] these guys in this place and
[20:21] >> stuffing around.
[20:22] >> Yeah. which is still it's still fun.
[20:24] Like I still had fun with it cuz it's
[20:25] kind of like them growing together cuz
[20:28] they kind of just meet just before that.
[20:30] >> Yeah.
[20:30] >> Um so it's still good but apart from
[20:33] that like you could argue maybe that's
[20:35] filler but apart from that I don't think
[20:36] there's any filler in any of the
[20:38] seasons.
[20:39] >> So it's it's it's well it's pretty well
[20:42] paced. Um
[20:43] >> but coming to the movie because a movie
[20:45] is a bit obviously a movie is different
[20:47] to a series like the way you structure a
[20:49] movie is different. So I would say this
[20:52] movie,
[20:54] >> you have to watch the series to to
[20:56] actually firstly understand this movie
[20:58] and also get any sort of enjoyment out
[21:01] of this. Like you'll probably appreciate
[21:03] the animation cuz the animation is is
[21:06] spectacular.
[21:07] >> Yeah.
[21:07] >> Um
[21:08] >> but you won't understand what's going on
[21:10] without watching the series.
[21:12] >> Yeah. Actually, the animation Yeah. I I
[21:15] think I even maybe mentioned it to you
[21:16] when watching it. It's like they they
[21:18] did step it up. like it's already pretty
[21:20] good in the anime and they did just step
[21:22] it up for this movie. There's a lot of
[21:24] cool like 3D animation and it's not true
[21:28] 3D like animated characters, but it's
[21:31] when you
[21:32] >> it's like interlaced between like the
[21:34] handdrawn and the 3D kind of like both.
[21:37] >> I think it's like really high frame rate
[21:39] as they're showing these 2D characters
[21:42] going through areas. They kind of pan.
[21:45] And it's like you've got a camera and
[21:46] they're actually panning across whatever
[21:48] the scenery is. I there's no as as far
[21:51] as I can tell there's very few
[21:54] animations or animes that have actually
[21:56] done that. Like I think I recently
[21:58] watched Kaiju number eight. I think
[22:00] there was some scenes where they do that
[22:01] and that's also
[22:03] >> fairly new a fairly new anime. In JJ K
[22:07] they don't do it at all. And I think
[22:09] that's a
[22:10] >> I find
[22:11] >> it's a stylistic choice. It's a
[22:13] different sort of style.
[22:14] >> Yeah. It's It feels a bit dimmed dimmed
[22:18] or like dulled compared to like I
[22:20] watched Demon Slay and then I started
[22:21] watching JJK. So
[22:23] >> compared to
[22:23] >> the colors are the color scape and
[22:25] everything is very
[22:26] >> like it's very like I don't know like it
[22:28] doesn't pop like Demon Slayer does. It's
[22:30] kind of like very neutral. But that's
[22:33] the I guess that's the style they went
[22:35] for. Yeah, the style is it is definitely
[22:38] >> the it's kind of it takes on JJK takes
[22:41] on a bit of a vintage kind of older
[22:44] >> sort of animation style and the color
[22:46] palette is like like for example if you
[22:48] remember watching like Pokemon and
[22:49] Dragon Ball Z it's that sort of color
[22:51] palette. So there's still color
[22:53] >> but Demon Slayer is like really vibrant
[22:55] colors as I said a lot of 3D animation
[22:58] high frame rate. I don't know what I
[23:00] don't know if that's probably not even
[23:02] the right term, but it's a high it's
[23:04] what would seem like a high frame rate.
[23:06] It's high FPS [laughter] is like you
[23:09] know animation. Um which is very cool
[23:11] and that was a cool thing. So when I
[23:12] went I watched JJK first that was the
[23:14] first anime I've actually properly seen
[23:16] apart from you know the childhood
[23:18] Pokémon and uh Dragon Ball Z.
[23:21] >> Um
[23:22] >> yeah going from JJK to this this was
[23:24] actually refreshing because of the the
[23:27] animation style was different. a lot of
[23:29] colors and stuff.
[23:30] >> Yeah.
[23:30] >> But the one thing at the very start was
[23:32] that I found that
[23:34] >> there was not enough
[23:36] >> um action at the at the very start. But
[23:39] it's quickly forgiven as we said.
[23:41] >> Um once you get to season two, it's just
[23:42] >> And I guess it makes sense cuz at the
[23:44] start he's training
[23:46] to become a demon slayer. So he's not
[23:49] like capable yet of actually fighting
[23:51] properly. So
[23:52] >> yeah, exactly.
[23:53] >> Yeah.
[23:53] >> At the start he's not even doing that.
[23:54] He's like he's just trying to get Nzo,
[23:57] his sister, from one place to another.
[23:59] >> Yeah, that's right.
[23:59] >> And then he hasn't even like thought
[24:01] about demon slaying or any of that
[24:02] stuff.
[24:02] >> And then he like runs into Guillu and
[24:04] then that's how he gets introduced into
[24:07] becoming a demon slayer.
[24:08] >> Yeah.
[24:08] >> Yeah. So, okay, movie. Let's talk about
[24:11] it. So, there's um again, spoilers, so
[24:13] we've warned you already. So, there's
[24:15] three main arcs in the movie. Um, it
[24:18] starts off with Shobu, who's I think I
[24:22] don't know if this is right, but she's
[24:24] like the insect is it insect hashira or
[24:27] cuz she has like butterflies and stuff.
[24:29] Yeah. Yeah. So, it's her. So, she fights
[24:33] um DMA DMA the upper two.
[24:37] >> Yeah. Upper.
[24:38] >> Yeah. Um, so she you know their names
[24:40] more than other, but that does ring a
[24:41] bell. I think it might be Dama. Yeah.
[24:43] >> Yeah. So, obviously they all fall into
[24:45] Infinity Castle. um just following on
[24:47] from the end of their last season. They
[24:49] all fall into like different spots. So,
[24:50] she ends up falling where this guy is
[24:53] and they they have a fight. Um you get a
[24:56] bit of backstory for her um her
[24:58] motivation. So, it ends up being that
[25:01] >> this guy killed her sister.
[25:03] >> Yeah.
[25:03] >> Um this specific demon. So, obviously,
[25:07] >> so she becomes enraged.
[25:09] >> Yeah. Um, and you don't you don't
[25:11] actually see her like this in this
[25:13] series cuz she's always a bit like
[25:15] >> she's never angry, like outwardly angry
[25:18] in the in the series. Like you see her
[25:20] in a couple of fights and stuff and
[25:21] she's always like
[25:22] >> pretty chill, but in this she's like
[25:24] actually
[25:25] >> angry. Yeah.
[25:26] >> Yeah. Um,
[25:28] and you get a bit of backstory of the
[25:30] demon as well in terms of how he he
[25:33] became a demon. And then
[25:35] >> that probably goes for about half an
[25:36] hour. That's like the first main fight.
[25:39] Um, she dies.
[25:41] >> Uh, she she puts in a good fight, but
[25:44] they do um the difference between her
[25:46] and the other Hashier is she can't cut
[25:48] people's heads off.
[25:50] >> She can't kill people like she uses um
[25:53] >> ah
[25:53] >> like antidotes and stuff in her sword.
[25:56] Um
[25:56] >> so to poison
[25:57] >> to poison them. Yeah. Yeah. like she and
[26:00] that's how she saves like remember she
[26:03] saves um Zenitsu in
[26:06] >> the forest like he gets stung by the
[26:08] spider and he's slowly turning into a
[26:09] spider and she like neutralizes it.
[26:12] >> Uh okay. I actually can't probably
[26:13] remember this but
[26:14] >> yeah so like she specializes in that
[26:16] stuff but she doesn't have
[26:17] >> which probably links in with the whole
[26:19] insect kind of breathing or what? Yeah,
[26:21] it is insect breathing I'm pretty sure.
[26:22] >> I think so. Yeah. So but she can't kill
[26:26] demons traditionally. She can only kill
[26:28] them by poisoning them.
[26:29] >> And is her sword like is her sword like
[26:32] serrated or something?
[26:33] >> Yeah, I think so. Cuz she's I think
[26:35] she's injecting stuff.
[26:37] >> Yeah.
[26:37] >> Yeah. Cuz initially she injects him,
[26:39] right? And then he like starts breaking
[26:41] down, but then he's heals quickly.
[26:44] >> Yeah.
[26:44] >> And he becomes immune to it. So,
[26:47] >> um after he consumes her, then Canal,
[26:51] who's I guess her student, right? Cuz
[26:53] she trains with her.
[26:55] >> The younger Well,
[26:56] >> yeah. the
[26:57] >> I think essentially she's treated like a
[26:58] younger sister though.
[26:59] >> Yeah, I think so.
[27:00] >> Yeah.
[27:00] >> Yeah.
[27:01] >> Um she she turns up.
[27:03] >> I always thought of her like as their
[27:04] younger adopted sister.
[27:05] >> Yeah,
[27:06] >> essentially.
[27:06] >> Yeah.
[27:07] >> Yeah.
[27:08] >> Um so she turns up and then it actually
[27:09] just cuts there. So you don't actually
[27:11] see what happens.
[27:12] >> That's kind of the end of that little
[27:13] arc. Um so I'm assuming all of this
[27:15] stuff is happening in parallel cuz they
[27:17] they show that
[27:19] >> and then they switch over to Zenitu.
[27:22] So, at the end of the previous season,
[27:24] Zenitsu receives a letter and you don't
[27:26] actually see what it is. His u former
[27:29] co- student is now a demon upper six.
[27:33] >> Yeah.
[27:33] >> Um so he runs into him and I guess the
[27:36] next half an hour or so of the movie is
[27:38] their fight and backstory. Um so it
[27:40] turns out their master, the the Thunder
[27:43] Hashira committed suicide because this
[27:46] guy ended up becoming a demon
[27:49] >> because Yeah. So he essentially has two
[27:51] students. One is Zenitu, one is this
[27:53] other guy. The other guy gets tempted by
[27:56] essentially the dark side.
[27:57] >> Yeah.
[27:57] >> And then becomes a
[27:59] >> Who's the Who's the demon that gives
[28:00] him? Is it upper one? Can't remember. I
[28:04] think it was upper one that gives him
[28:05] the upper one.
[28:07] >> Um I think it's upper one.
[28:09] >> Yeah, it is upper one. Yeah. So yeah, he
[28:12] becomes um and it's also interesting
[28:14] because this guy can do all the forms of
[28:17] thunder breathing except the first form
[28:20] >> and can only do the first form.
[28:22] >> Yeah.
[28:22] >> But I think essentially
[28:24] >> I think essentially they indicate that
[28:26] >> the first form is the most important
[28:28] form and so it's a kind of the crux to
[28:30] thunder breathing and so that's why
[28:33] Zenitsu is kind of at the very core. is
[28:37] like the more true maybe I don't know
[28:40] true student of the master and therefore
[28:42] the more true thunder breather as
[28:45] opposed to the other guy.
[28:46] >> Yeah.
[28:46] >> But I did find it it is it is actually
[28:48] quite kind of cool. I like how these
[28:49] guys have different you know this guy
[28:51] was already a
[28:53] >> you know a demon he's a demon slayer
[28:55] with thunder breathing and then he's
[28:57] turned into
[28:58] >> and he can still use the thunder
[29:00] breathing.
[29:00] >> Yeah. He does use it right. Yeah. And
[29:03] does he have does he have different um
[29:06] like styles? Does has his style changed?
[29:09] Has he got like a demon?
[29:10] >> Yeah, because I think he has something
[29:12] while they're fighting like now with his
[29:14] demon
[29:15] >> blood or something, he has different
[29:17] powers as well as well as the Yeah.
[29:20] >> But then um Zenitsu,
[29:22] he like reveals that he's got like the
[29:24] 11th form or something like he he
[29:25] finishes him off with like a form that
[29:28] he that doesn't exist like he made
[29:30] himself.
[29:30] >> He makes Yeah.
[29:31] >> Yeah.
[29:31] >> He makes it up. Does he? Yeah, that is a
[29:33] thing right?
[29:33] >> Yeah. Yeah,
[29:34] >> because I think
[29:35] >> that happens and then um the water water
[29:40] breathing Hashira
[29:41] >> Guillu
[29:42] >> Guillu Guu also does that, doesn't he?
[29:44] >> Gu's got his own Yeah.
[29:46] >> He also creates like all these moves and
[29:48] people are just like, "What the hell?"
[29:49] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[29:50] >> Yeah. So, it's kind of
[29:50] >> No, because when um
[29:53] it's not when he first meets him, it's
[29:54] when Gu turns up again in that spider
[29:58] fight the in the first season when when
[30:00] the spider family and that's like the
[30:02] one of the lower
[30:04] >> um ranks that they fight, the the boy
[30:06] >> and um so Tandre is like basically dead
[30:11] and then this guy turns up and he does
[30:12] like the 11th form or something like
[30:14] >> Yeah. And I swear he does it I think he
[30:16] also does it in this movie. I think I
[30:18] think against Akazar he
[30:20] >> he does he also starts inventing or
[30:22] starts essentially improvising and
[30:24] starts making all these new techniques.
[30:26] >> Yeah.
[30:26] >> But yeah, it is very cool. So yeah, the
[30:28] second the second little arc in this
[30:30] movie is Zenitu versus his ex comrade.
[30:33] >> Yeah.
[30:34] >> Who is now a demon.
[30:35] >> Yeah. And he ends up beating him. Um
[30:37] >> but that's cool because this is like a
[30:39] prolonged session. First time you
[30:42] actually have how long does it go for?
[30:44] Like half an hour.
[30:45] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[30:45] >> Yeah. So half an hour worth of Zenitu
[30:47] being locked in with his eyes open and
[30:50] being locked in and actually doing cool
[30:53] stuff. I think that's
[30:55] >> I think a lot of people have been
[30:56] waiting for that cuz then Zen and it's
[30:57] just kind of badass when he locks in.
[30:59] >> When he is Yeah. Yeah.
[31:00] >> He's like when he's locked in he's
[31:02] probably cuz he
[31:03] >> he's quick.
[31:04] >> He's quick cuz remember Tano
[31:08] >> asks him how he he is so quick cuz he's
[31:10] Tre is not as quick as him when he's
[31:12] >> when he's like actually informed. So, I
[31:14] think he asks him and he like tells him
[31:16] some techniques and that's how he saves
[31:18] um at the end of the swordsmith village.
[31:21] You know how that demon's hunting down?
[31:23] It's like at the very end when the sun's
[31:25] coming up
[31:26] >> and the demon's hunting down like these
[31:28] people and you can't reach them and he
[31:29] uses that technique to
[31:31] >> to get to them. Yeah.
[31:33] >> Yeah. So, it's it's probably just this
[31:35] kind of inherent thunder breathing
[31:36] that's making him like do all this. I
[31:39] mean, ultimately, you're lightning,
[31:40] right? Yeah.
[31:41] >> As quick as Light is, so it kind of
[31:43] makes sense. Thematically it makes
[31:44] sense. This guy's quick as hell.
[31:46] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[31:47] >> Yeah.
[31:48] >> So, I think that was a good fan service
[31:50] moment as well. Like that that fight is
[31:51] pretty cool. Like their their fight.
[31:53] >> Yeah.
[31:53] >> I think anything with the Thunder
[31:54] Breathing like when it when it's done
[31:56] well, it's pretty cool.
[31:58] >> It is very cool.
[31:58] >> Very satisfying.
[32:00] >> So then then you get to the third arc
[32:02] which is um
[32:04] >> 90 minutes.
[32:04] >> Yeah. Which is most of the movie
[32:06] actually. So Akaza
[32:08] who returns from
[32:11] um Muggan Train essentially like he's in
[32:14] he's in a couple of other seasons but
[32:16] he's back again and then he's obviously
[32:18] remembers Taniro so he runs into Tan and
[32:22] Guillu um and they have an extended
[32:24] fight like there's a pretty cool part
[32:26] where Guillu and him are fighting and
[32:28] like Tandra is just watching cuz he's
[32:30] like
[32:31] >> I can't keep up with these guys
[32:32] >> trying to figure out Yeah. Exactly.
[32:34] >> Yeah. Um, but
[32:36] >> then and then it's kind of cool because
[32:37] then eventually in the fight then Tanger
[32:40] kind of takes it to the next level and I
[32:42] think Guillu is just like, "Okay, I have
[32:44] no role in this fight anyway." It's kind
[32:46] of they're always kind of back and forth
[32:48] this this kind of fight. But the cool
[32:50] thing I think in in this is that you
[32:54] actually you're actually worried because
[32:56] well the upper three he's taking on two
[32:59] essentially Hasher. I mean Tanger is
[33:01] essentially Hashi right now,
[33:02] >> right? Yeah.
[33:03] >> And he's like dominating them and it's
[33:05] like well this is kind of this is kind
[33:07] of
[33:07] >> and you already know that this guy's
[33:09] already killed a hashira in
[33:10] >> he's already killed Yeah. He killed
[33:13] so you know that he's capable of doing
[33:15] that. So like and I I actually thought
[33:17] at one stage like they're obviously not
[33:19] going to kill Taniro so maybe they're
[33:21] going to kill Guu but
[33:23] >> he doesn't. And you also know that Akaza
[33:25] means business because
[33:27] >> at some point I think it's in
[33:30] >> um Hashi training at the start of Hashi
[33:32] training arc or at some point in Hash
[33:33] training arc
[33:34] >> at the very start actually they they go
[33:35] into Infinity Castle they show all of
[33:37] the um upper ranks and yeah
[33:39] >> he like punches the second guy in the
[33:41] head, right? Like he like
[33:43] >> Yeah. Well, cuz they just kind of just
[33:45] comes in says he's he's sick of all
[33:48] these guys. Says he's going to kill Men.
[33:50] >> Yeah.
[33:51] >> And kill upper rank one and two. Yeah.
[33:53] >> And so you're like, "Okay, well, holy
[33:55] shit." Like this guy is clearly not
[33:58] afraid of anyone above him.
[34:00] >> But I think he doesn't respect two cuz
[34:03] he punches him in the head,
[34:05] >> but he does respect one cuz one turns up
[34:07] and he doesn't do anything.
[34:08] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[34:09] >> Yeah. But it's um Yeah, it's kind of
[34:12] cool. I Which also makes me think that I
[34:15] think that Akaz probably in reality he
[34:19] probably should be
[34:20] >> I think they might end up being He's
[34:21] probably two. Yeah,
[34:22] >> he's probably at two's level or maybe
[34:24] even higher. But yeah,
[34:26] >> we haven't seen much of one, like not
[34:29] much at all. So, you don't really know
[34:30] what he's
[34:31] >> he's about.
[34:32] >> I think that's next movie.
[34:33] >> Yeah, he's one. So, he must be like
[34:35] super powerful.
[34:36] >> I It's got to be next movie, right?
[34:38] Because the ones the ranks that you only
[34:41] care about are two, one, and man.
[34:45] >> Yeah. Well, those are the only ones
[34:46] left. What am I saying? Um man, man,
[34:49] >> man. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, those are the
[34:53] only ones ones that are left now cuz
[34:54] they killed um
[34:56] >> Well, there's all these other
[34:56] >> R there's the the the girl that plays
[35:00] the Yeah, she's four. Yeah, she's four
[35:02] now.
[35:02] >> Yeah. I have a feeling that
[35:05] >> maybe the next movie is going to be
[35:07] >> upper rank four, two and one.
[35:11] >> Yeah. And that what groups are left
[35:14] because like we haven't seen anything
[35:16] from um
[35:17] >> this
[35:17] >> Mitsuri and the serpent guy.
[35:21] >> Yeah. So serpent dude.
[35:22] >> Yeah. So those two are together. And
[35:24] then um
[35:25] >> stone stone hasher and wind hashira.
[35:29] >> Wind no mist hashira. Yeah. They're
[35:31] together.
[35:32] >> But we they have had enough of an arc
[35:35] that they may not focus on them. But
[35:38] Stone is the most powerful.
[35:39] >> Yeah. So the most powerful
[35:41] >> and we haven't really seen him in
[35:43] >> We haven't seen him go crazy yet.
[35:45] >> Yeah. So I think we'll get a bit of him.
[35:46] And then um
[35:48] >> Yeah.
[35:49] >> I want to see a lot of these guys just
[35:50] go all out and if they die they die. But
[35:52] I just want to see them at max powers.
[35:54] Just just going [ __ ] toeto toe with
[35:57] Yeah. Just going absolutely.
[35:58] >> Well, I think what will happen is
[36:00] >> cuz um Tanger is pretty beaten up now.
[36:04] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[36:04] >> So, I don't think he's taking on any
[36:06] upper ranks, but I think he'll take on
[36:08] man. I think that's what he's going to
[36:10] do next. Um, like directly.
[36:12] >> I reckon there has to be upper rank one
[36:16] and Tanger have to clash because upper
[36:18] rank one is a sunbreather.
[36:21] >> Yeah. Do we know that?
[36:22] >> But he has the earrings. He's got the
[36:24] earrings.
[36:24] >> He's got the earrings. And those are the
[36:26] earrings that he gave to Tano's dad
[36:29] >> in that flashback. I'm pretty sure there
[36:32] is a flashback in like
[36:35] uh oh there's that there's that thing
[36:37] how he's seeing other someone else's
[36:39] memories right?
[36:40] >> There's this there's a part in one of
[36:42] the seasons where he starts seeing
[36:45] >> like not his own memories like someone
[36:47] else's memories
[36:48] >> like an inherited memory from like his
[36:50] dad or something.
[36:51] >> Yeah. Because I know there's this there
[36:53] is this memory that his dad has of this
[36:57] this guy that looks like upper rank one
[36:59] visiting them and helping them out in
[37:01] some way and he has the sun breather
[37:05] earrings on and his dad doesn't have
[37:06] those earrings on
[37:07] >> at that time
[37:08] >> that time which makes me think and he
[37:10] thanks him for helping him
[37:12] >> I reckon that
[37:13] >> is that upper rank one or is that the
[37:15] other you know in swordsmith's village
[37:18] where's where there's that doll that
[37:20] they're practicing on. And it also looks
[37:23] like like it's got long hair and it
[37:25] looks like
[37:26] >> I think these are all the same person.
[37:28] >> Yeah,
[37:28] >> I'm pretty sure
[37:30] >> at some point it's going to be revealed
[37:32] that man was able to convert this OG
[37:37] Hashira Sunbreather into a demon
[37:39] somehow.
[37:40] >> So guys have who have read the manga,
[37:42] they'll they'll know.
[37:44] >> No, no. Don't no one spoil anything.
[37:46] >> Don't spoil stuff in the comments cuz I
[37:49] have to read them.
[37:50] >> [laughter]
[37:50] >> You should just not read the comments.
[37:52] >> Um, so yeah, but
[37:54] >> that's my theory. I It's got to be It's
[37:56] the same exact hairstyle.
[37:59] >> There's probably some connection for
[38:00] sure. So yeah, maybe they do meet.
[38:03] >> It's got to be Tangro versus
[38:05] >> I also think the Stone Husher will fight
[38:07] upper one.
[38:08] >> I think that's what will happen. Yeah.
[38:10] >> Yeah. Maybe it will be like one of those
[38:13] Maybe it'll be like Tundra and Stone are
[38:15] taking on this this guy and then
[38:18] >> at some point there's it's got to be
[38:20] some poetic [ __ ] Don't do I just hope
[38:23] they don't do what Game of Thrones did
[38:25] where you knew there was supposed to be
[38:26] interactions between characters that
[38:28] would have been unreal and they just
[38:30] bloody didn't do it. And it was like
[38:32] well [ __ ] you guys. You guys have
[38:34] stuffed the whole thing. There was
[38:36] nothing left. You stuffed it anyway and
[38:37] you still didn't do the things that it
[38:39] was supposed to happen. I I reckon it's
[38:41] it should happen. There should be this
[38:43] upper rank one should at some point
[38:45] >> I think two
[38:48] >> I don't really I honestly don't really
[38:49] care about two.
[38:50] >> Yeah. I I don't I think Canal
[38:52] >> will Well, she won't beat him by himself
[38:54] cuz she's
[38:55] >> Well, I think it'll be Canal and Beast
[38:57] Breathing. What's his name?
[38:58] >> Inos.
[38:59] >> Yeah, it could be
[39:00] >> because he hasn't done anything yet.
[39:01] >> He has done anything yet.
[39:02] >> He's just been [laughter] he's just been
[39:04] a nuisance.
[39:05] >> Are there any other hash left? Maybe the
[39:08] the other two the um
[39:09] >> so the other hash So who's the guy that
[39:12] uses the gun? Who's the guy that uses
[39:14] the gun?
[39:14] >> Gen's brother.
[39:16] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[39:17] >> Needs to be
[39:18] >> Yeah. He hasn't done anything yet.
[39:19] >> Hasn't done anything. And even we
[39:20] haven't seen Genya do much yet either. I
[39:24] have a feeling they're both going to be
[39:25] together.
[39:26] >> Yeah. Cuz they're both
[39:27] >> kind of hate each other. They both hate
[39:29] each other.
[39:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. So it would make sense for
[39:31] them to come together.
[39:33] >> And then Genya's brother also hates
[39:34] Tangero. He's been banned from Tandra's
[39:37] been he like punched him and Yeah.
[39:39] [laughter]
[39:40] >> Well, he's always hated him. He's always
[39:42] hated him because like the first time
[39:43] they meet him, he's stabs um Nezo.
[39:46] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.
[39:47] [laughter] Yeah. Yeah.
[39:48] >> Yeah. Um Yeah. So, that would be Well,
[39:52] they're still the um upper rank four as
[39:54] well, the the lady, so they'll have to
[39:56] beat her.
[39:57] >> Um Okay. So,
[39:59] >> and then Yeah. Okay. I mean, that pretty
[40:01] much covers. I don't I have a feeling
[40:04] they're not gonna really focus on the
[40:07] girl, the love breathing girl.
[40:10] >> I think her and um
[40:11] >> Oh, snake dude.
[40:12] >> I think they'll they'll have something
[40:14] to do together.
[40:15] >> Yeah.
[40:16] >> Yeah.
[40:16] >> The snake dude seems powerful as well.
[40:18] >> Yeah. I think
[40:19] >> a lot of these guys Yeah. They just
[40:21] like,
[40:21] >> you know, they they at least in the
[40:23] series they've exhibited like this aura
[40:25] being really powerful.
[40:26] >> Yeah.
[40:27] >> Yeah.
[40:28] >> And they've been training Genu's brother
[40:30] and
[40:31] >> and the
[40:33] serpent breathing guy.
[40:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. And also um the mist cuz he
[40:37] joins them afterwards as well. Yeah.
[40:39] Yeah.
[40:39] >> They've all been training. So
[40:41] >> yeah. Um No, it's good. It's good. I'm
[40:45] excited.
[40:46] >> Yeah. So two more movies.
[40:48] >> Um
[40:49] >> wait, have we probably explained the
[40:51] last arc?
[40:52] >> Oh, yeah. So let's let's finish with
[40:54] that first. So actually
[40:56] all the fighting happens but the last I
[40:59] would say the last 40 minutes of the
[41:00] movie is actually the backstory of
[41:02] Akaza.
[41:03] >> Yeah.
[41:03] >> Um
[41:04] >> it's a super tragic backstory. Like
[41:07] probably the most tragic backstory that
[41:08] any
[41:09] >> demon has had. Yeah.
[41:11] >> Um it almost like
[41:13] >> almost redemptive for him. Like even
[41:15] though he's like gone and killed a
[41:16] hashira and like you know all the stuff
[41:18] he's done,
[41:19] >> you still feel sorry for this guy at the
[41:21] end. Yeah.
[41:21] >> Um at the end of all of that stuff. I
[41:23] think I think that whole 40 minutes is
[41:25] supposed to be his redemption.
[41:27] >> Yeah,
[41:27] >> cuz he he does kind of redeem himself in
[41:29] that. He just kind of
[41:30] >> he just kills like essentially
[41:32] >> I think he realizes what he's done, has
[41:34] a flashback to his past and kind of
[41:39] converts into his original self to an
[41:41] extent or it's kind of like it's kind of
[41:43] this thing which is essentially a
[41:45] cleansing of the soul that's happened.
[41:47] Well, when they introduce him, like when
[41:49] he's first introduced as a human, he's
[41:52] also not a good guy. Like he's like a
[41:54] thief. And although he's doing it for
[41:56] his dad, like his dad was sick.
[41:57] >> He's more of like a a sneaky sort of
[42:00] dude.
[42:00] >> Yeah.
[42:01] >> You know, he's that classic kind of
[42:02] story of like someone that's really
[42:04] poor, has people in his family are
[42:05] struggling, and therefore is willing to
[42:07] like steal things in order to,
[42:10] >> you know, help family out even though
[42:12] it's the wrong thing to do.
[42:13] >> So, it's more our desperation. I
[42:15] wouldn't say he's evil, but yeah, he's
[42:16] not doing the right stuff.
[42:18] >> Yeah. But then he meets like a couple of
[42:20] people and they like sort of transform
[42:22] his life and he's finally starting to
[42:24] become like a a good person and then
[42:28] tragic stuff happens again and then he's
[42:30] he's turned he's not even turned into a
[42:32] demon like voluntarily like he just runs
[42:35] into man and then he turns into like
[42:37] turns him into a demon.
[42:39] >> Yeah.
[42:39] >> Yeah. So like it's not like he wanted to
[42:41] um
[42:42] >> Yeah.
[42:42] >> Yeah. I think you also tend to know who
[42:44] the strongest ones are by who they're
[42:46] converted by, right?
[42:47] >> Yeah.
[42:48] >> And I think if you're converted by
[42:49] >> I think all the uppers would have been
[42:50] converted by man directly. Yeah.
[42:54] >> And all Yeah. I mean like that upper
[42:55] rank six, the new guy that just got
[42:57] defeated by Zenitua, he was converted by
[42:58] one.
[42:59] >> So not as strong.
[43:00] >> Yeah.
[43:01] >> Yeah.
[43:01] >> Yeah.
[43:02] >> I think he was also six because they
[43:05] just killed six and five.
[43:07] >> So there was an empty spot. Yeah.
[43:08] >> More of a Yeah. He got a promotion under
[43:11] desperation. [laughter]
[43:12] Yeah.
[43:13] >> Um yeah. So that it ends with that. So
[43:16] basically um Akaza
[43:18] um essentially kills himself and then
[43:21] >> but it kind of in that fight as well
[43:24] >> Tangro kind of
[43:25] >> oh yeah he finds out a bit about his own
[43:27] >> he has his own little flashback and he
[43:28] also finds out how to activate a lot of
[43:31] the sun sun breathing such yeah the
[43:35] these different forms. So he does
[43:37] elevate, but I think at the end of this
[43:39] fight, they're like they are still like
[43:41] totally exhausted. Like they're they're
[43:43] cooked.
[43:44] >> So it takes it all out of them. So yeah.
[43:46] >> Yeah. That both Gu and Tan are like
[43:49] essentially completely flat by the end
[43:52] of it.
[43:53] >> One of the things I did appreciate was
[43:55] that so the master I forgot what the
[43:57] master's name is.
[43:59] >> I'll remember uh Uba Shiki something
[44:03] like that. Yeah. But his kids have like
[44:06] found a way to sneak in some crows and
[44:09] they kind of act as like this narrative
[44:12] or narrator's aid in that they kind of
[44:14] tell the audience what's happening and
[44:16] they're also kind of
[44:18] >> and they're also informing the other
[44:20] Hashira of what's happening cuz they
[44:21] inform like Shobu died.
[44:24] >> Yeah.
[44:24] >> Yeah.
[44:26] >> Yep. And they tell
[44:27] >> Yeah. And the crows tell people and they
[44:29] tell the crows to go save people and
[44:31] they do these it's it's actually kind of
[44:33] cool. They they're actually which it's
[44:35] kind of interesting cuz they're just
[44:36] little kids but they're kind of
[44:38] overseeing this whole thing. They're
[44:39] like team manager over here on the side.
[44:40] >> They're trying to like plot out a map of
[44:42] the Infinity Castle. So it's
[44:43] >> Yeah.
[44:44] >> Yeah.
[44:44] >> And ultimately so I I did appreciate
[44:47] that it's not just like all these people
[44:49] just fighting. You also have this kind
[44:50] of overview and everything is still
[44:52] linked. So they're the kids of the
[44:53] master. episodes is it's like they're
[44:55] continuing on and they have their own
[44:57] little they have their own little
[44:58] backstory. Like there's some flashbacks
[45:00] for the son.
[45:01] >> Yeah.
[45:01] >> Him trying to like live up to be like
[45:03] the dad. It's pretty cool. It's actually
[45:04] quite cool.
[45:06] >> So there's a lot it's a lot in the
[45:07] movie. There's a lot
[45:09] >> two and a half hours and it's
[45:11] >> there's no down time. It's like
[45:12] >> it's pretty full on.
[45:13] >> Yeah. It's it's all back to back. So
[45:16] >> um
[45:17] >> but I will say like you won't appreciate
[45:20] this movie if you haven't seen the
[45:22] series. Well, you understand absolutely
[45:23] nothing. You can't.
[45:25] >> And it's also not structured like a
[45:26] movie. It's structured more like a
[45:28] season of the show cuz it just ends and
[45:31] you know that there's more coming,
[45:32] >> but it's it just ends. So,
[45:34] >> and also it's kind of
[45:36] >> when So, at the end of the last season,
[45:41] all these guys seem to have So, man
[45:44] rocks up to kill the master and the
[45:47] master essentially does a suicide bomb
[45:49] to try and trap him. kind of traps him
[45:52] and then this Tamayo girl also kind of
[45:56] traps him and then all the hash come and
[45:58] are all fighting man.
[45:59] >> Yeah.
[46:00] >> And then suddenly he activates like his
[46:01] trap card cuz he has nothing else to do
[46:03] >> to escape and then
[46:05] >> and when they all enter which is like
[46:07] that's like the hype part of this whole
[46:08] thing cuz it suddenly ends there and you
[46:10] know the movie is coming up next. So
[46:11] that's why everyone I think that's why
[46:12] everyone was so pumped for this movie as
[46:14] well. And then when you enter the
[46:16] Infinity Castle, man's gone. man's found
[46:19] a way and you kind of get hints to it as
[46:21] well throughout this movie. He's like
[46:23] trapped himself in the boughels of the
[46:25] castle somewhere to
[46:26] >> he's like regenerating his body and
[46:28] stuff.
[46:28] >> Exactly. Cuz he's been kind of injured
[46:29] by
[46:30] >> and poison and stuff as well like
[46:32] >> Yeah. So
[46:33] >> it is like if you were to just come into
[46:36] this movie, you would just be like,
[46:37] "What the hell? Who is this guy that's
[46:39] in here?" Like
[46:40] >> you won't understand anything.
[46:42] >> So you definitely need to I wouldn't
[46:43] Yeah. I wouldn't recommend this at all
[46:44] just randomly watching it. And one thing
[46:46] we haven't mentioned, and one character
[46:48] that's very important to the series, but
[46:50] not in this movie, is Nezo. Um, so
[46:54] >> yeah, true.
[46:54] >> Yeah.
[46:56] >> Yeah. I didn't realize it. Yeah.
[46:59] >> You only get like one shot of her and
[47:01] she's like recovering and that's it.
[47:03] Like she's not in the movie. Um,
[47:05] >> and I think the whole I think the way
[47:07] the cuz Nezo is ultimately the she's a
[47:12] demon but she's invincible to Sun.
[47:14] >> Son. Yeah. So she's found a way to
[47:16] >> and I think that's the thing that's
[47:18] going to string
[47:18] >> Yeah.
[47:19] >> because man wants to become like that.
[47:21] He doesn't want this weakness to son. So
[47:23] I think that's
[47:23] >> so he's essentially he's after Nzo.
[47:25] >> Yeah.
[47:26] >> Um and I think that's why he went to the
[47:28] master at the end of the season to find
[47:30] out.
[47:31] >> Um so we'll have to see what happens in
[47:34] I don't know if all of the next two
[47:36] movies will be in the Infinity Castle.
[47:38] Um the next one has to be cuz they're
[47:41] still there.
[47:42] >> They're still there. Yeah. Um, but I
[47:43] don't know if the third one will be.
[47:46] >> Yeah, true. Actually,
[47:48] >> yeah, I wouldn't mind a bit of
[47:50] >> at some stage like a change of scenery
[47:51] somewhere.
[47:53] >> Um, yeah, it would be cool. Or there
[47:56] could be different aspects
[47:58] >> to the Infinity Castle. They could make
[47:59] it more complex and actually make it go
[48:03] into the real world to an extent. So, I
[48:06] mean, yeah, there could be various
[48:07] things.
[48:08] >> Yeah.
[48:09] >> But, um, no, I was very I was I was
[48:11] impressed. I think the movie did what it
[48:14] would do. There are some things that I
[48:15] did find a bit weird in the movie. So,
[48:17] there's a lot of especially during the
[48:19] flashbacks, there's like no background
[48:21] music and it's very quiet and sometimes
[48:24] like when I was in the theater with Shra
[48:25] and I was just like hearing all these
[48:27] people like eat popcorn or whatever next
[48:29] to me was having like
[48:31] >> they brought like heaps of food. Did you
[48:33] see how much food they got?
[48:34] >> No, that's all I heard. I just
[48:36] [laughter] heard these people eating the
[48:37] whole time. They
[48:38] >> I don't know. Like they had burgers,
[48:39] fries, like popcorn. They had
[48:42] everything.
[48:42] >> I mean, look, it's 2 and a half hours,
[48:44] so I mean, fair [laughter] enough. But
[48:46] yeah, um, but I think the movie did
[48:48] everything I wanted it to do.
[48:50] >> Yeah.
[48:50] >> Like, I'm not expecting
[48:52] >> And it gets you anticipated for the next
[48:53] one as well.
[48:54] >> Exactly. I wasn't expecting this movie
[48:55] to be like a different sort of movie in
[48:58] I just wanted it to be action-packed and
[49:00] just, you know, just like more episodes,
[49:02] more content for the current story line.
[49:04] So yeah
[49:05] >> I think it did that. I don't know. I
[49:06] would
[49:07] >> Do you guys do ratings anymore?
[49:09] >> Not really. But you can do one.
[49:12] >> I don't know. What would I give this? I
[49:13] would give this like an 8 out of 10.
[49:15] >> Yeah.
[49:15] >> I mean, I rate things pretty harshly, so
[49:18] I reckon my favorite movies of all time
[49:20] wouldn't wouldn't get past they wouldn't
[49:22] get past 9.5. So, I think 8 out of 10 is
[49:24] pretty good.
[49:25] >> Yeah,
[49:25] >> that's an 8 out of 10. It's really in
[49:28] It's kind of very tied to the series.
[49:30] So, like overall the experience with the
[49:33] movie is like 8 out of 10.
[49:34] >> Yeah.
[49:35] >> Yeah.
[49:35] >> Yeah, that makes sense. Um,
[49:39] I'm just thinking of all the movies that
[49:41] have come out this year and
[49:43] >> Oh, yeah. What do you I reckon maybe
[49:45] it's the best movie.
[49:46] >> I think it might be the best. Like, I
[49:48] can't think.
[49:48] >> I watched Fantastic 4 on Disney Plus and
[49:51] immediately discontinued my
[49:54] >> subscription. After I watched it, I was
[49:56] like, there's nothing else. And I was
[49:58] not happy. I was just like, that's a meh
[50:00] movie.
[50:01] >> That's what it was. Like, it was It's
[50:03] not bad, but it was just like
[50:04] >> it's like whatever.
[50:05] >> Yeah. Whatever. I haven't seen Jurassic.
[50:07] I haven't seen Jurassic World.
[50:09] >> That's worse than that's a waste of
[50:11] time.
[50:11] >> Yeah, that's worse than Fantastic 4.
[50:12] >> It sounds like that um Chinese movie is
[50:14] quite good though.
[50:15] >> That is quite good. But again, it's like
[50:17] >> it's different.
[50:18] >> Um
[50:20] >> I think there's cultural stuff that
[50:23] >> okay, we might not be understanding.
[50:26] >> Yeah, you might not completely
[50:27] understand but
[50:28] >> from a animation and spectacle like it's
[50:31] got some crazy action as well. Really
[50:33] good. We we did watch an animated movie
[50:36] this year.
[50:38] >> The Lord of the Rings movie.
[50:39] >> I That was end of last year.
[50:42] >> Was it?
[50:43] >> Yeah. I think it was technically end of
[50:44] last year. I think we watched it. Yeah.
[50:46] >> Did you guys do a review of it?
[50:47] >> No. It was just so forgettable that I
[50:49] didn't even talk about it.
[50:51] >> Um some people are going to hate me for
[50:53] this, but I just thought it was just
[50:54] such a drag.
[50:55] >> Underwhelming.
[50:56] >> It was just such a drag. Like I was like
[50:58] >> I I thought it was very underwhelming as
[51:00] a movie. But look, if you're truly into
[51:04] it, I just think one thing that really
[51:06] pissed me off about it was that they had
[51:09] an opportunity to use really good
[51:12] animation, like really good kind of
[51:15] creative animation. They didn't they
[51:17] defaulted to like this really old sort
[51:20] of anime animation and it was like
[51:23] >> the frame rate was really low. It was
[51:26] like I was just like this is this is
[51:28] stupid. Like,
[51:29] >> yeah.
[51:29] >> I don't appreciate it.
[51:30] >> Was it like you'd see the horses like
[51:33] running and you could tell that it was
[51:34] like
[51:35] >> It looked like a flip book.
[51:36] >> Yeah, it was like
[51:37] >> it was all cut up.
[51:38] >> Yeah, it was
[51:39] >> No, I was not.
[51:40] >> And look, even the story was a bit
[51:42] whatever.
[51:42] >> The story was Yeah.
[51:43] >> Ultimately, look, I don't think there's
[51:45] I don't think um Tolken's story, it's
[51:48] just meant to be this old subplot in the
[51:51] film really, and I don't think that was
[51:53] supposed to be a standalone. There's not
[51:55] enough there to be a whole standalone
[51:57] sort of thing. But that was I think that
[51:59] was underwhelming. But I wouldn't say it
[52:00] was [ __ ] but it was underwhelming.
[52:01] >> It was just Yeah, I I just found it
[52:03] quite boring.
[52:05] >> Yeah.
[52:05] >> Um what else? So Thunderbolts. It
[52:09] Marvel's had three. So
[52:10] >> Thunderbolts was okay.
[52:11] >> Yeah, Thunderbolts was all right. Um
[52:14] I keep forgetting, but was that Cap
[52:16] Captain America movie this year?
[52:18] >> No, it was last year. I'm pretty sure it
[52:20] was last year.
[52:22] >> Brave New World.
[52:23] >> Yeah. Either way, that was bad. Doesn't
[52:25] matter. Yeah, that was that was
[52:26] genuinely underwhelming.
[52:28] >> That same thing happened. So
[52:30] >> I activated Disney Plus. Turns out the
[52:33] movie wasn't even on Disney Plus. So I
[52:35] so deactivated Disney Plus. I rented it
[52:37] out on bloody YouTube, watched it, and I
[52:39] was like, "Oh, that was just meh."
[52:42] >> Um, Superman was okay.
[52:45] >> Not bad. Not bad.
[52:46] >> Was okay, but it's also it still wasn't
[52:48] great. I wouldn't say it was great.
[52:50] >> Um,
[52:50] >> I don't think it was underwhelming, but
[52:52] it also wasn't overwhelming. Yeah,
[52:54] >> it was just kind of okay, I didn't at
[52:56] least they didn't. It was more like,
[52:58] okay, at least they didn't make a [ __ ]
[53:00] one.
[53:01] >> That was my feeling. And that was the
[53:02] same feeling with Thunderbolts was,
[53:04] okay, they're going somewhere with this.
[53:07] At least they didn't make a [ __ ] movie.
[53:08] And that for Marvel is like a
[53:10] >> at the moment it's a it's an
[53:11] achievement.
[53:12] >> Yeah.
[53:13] >> Um really, I can't think of anything
[53:15] that was I haven't seen F1. So it was
[53:18] F1.
[53:19] >> I've seen F1. So F1 if you're into I'm
[53:23] very much into F1. So F1 from a very
[53:26] technical standpoint if you're very much
[53:27] into F1 you just need to ignore all the
[53:29] technicalities and if you just go there.
[53:32] So I actually went to watch F1 by
[53:34] myself. I went to Southland and I just
[53:35] watched it because everyone I knew had
[53:37] already seen it and I just really wanted
[53:38] to watch it. It has so it's Hanzimma
[53:42] score. It's really good sound. So it's
[53:45] really good enjoyment of like soundtrack
[53:47] when you're watching it in the theater.
[53:48] Um, I'm a fan of Han Zimmer. I'm a big
[53:51] fan of Don Toiver and Don Toiver sings
[53:53] like the main he the main song that Han
[53:56] Zimmer composed or whatever which is
[53:57] part of that soundtrack that single they
[53:59] released. So that was really cool. Um,
[54:02] and just the action you could really
[54:04] appreciate how they filmed it
[54:06] >> which was crazy. I mean the way they
[54:07] were able to do that was mental. Um, so
[54:10] >> in the same way like uh Top Gun
[54:12] Maverick,
[54:13] >> same director. So
[54:14] >> yeah. Yeah. I think it was even I think
[54:16] it's way harder to do F1 than Top Gun.
[54:19] >> Yeah.
[54:20] >> Because Top Gun at the end of the day,
[54:22] Yeah. they filmed a whole lot of planes,
[54:23] but
[54:24] >> it's much ultimately you can animate
[54:27] that [ __ ] and they would have they would
[54:28] have morphed some animation into the
[54:30] filming. With F1, they did a a lot of it
[54:32] was filmed. And the way being able to
[54:35] put cameras with high definition on an
[54:36] F1 car is unbelievably hard. And then to
[54:39] be able to use the tracks that they did,
[54:41] like they were filming it. They were
[54:43] filming it with the F1 stars also being
[54:46] involved in stuff. So, it was kind of
[54:47] cool. I I really appreciate it. I
[54:49] thought it was really cool.
[54:50] >> Yeah.
[54:51] >> But better than this.
[54:55] >> F1.
[54:56] >> Yeah.
[54:58] >> Look, they're very different films. No,
[55:00] I don't think I'd put F1 as like an
[55:03] eight out of 10 to be honest. Although
[55:05] I'm putting this whole series and this
[55:06] combination as an eight out of 10, but
[55:08] if it was pretty good. Like I think I'd
[55:10] give it like a 7.75.
[55:13] >> Yeah. So pretty close. Yeah.
[55:15] >> Very close. And I definitely recommend
[55:16] watching it.
[55:17] >> Yeah. I I need to I just didn't get time
[55:19] to watch it. Um but I need to watch
[55:21] that.
[55:21] >> Oh, I actually thought that you watched
[55:22] it. Maybe I should have asked you before
[55:24] I went.
[55:24] >> No, I think I was overseas when it came
[55:26] out, so I just never got to
[55:28] >> got around to watching it. But um yeah,
[55:30] >> it's been a pretty underwhelming year to
[55:31] be honest. Like there's not not many
[55:33] great movies. Um,
[55:35] >> what else is coming out soon?
[55:37] >> The only major release now is Avatar.
[55:40] Yeah.
[55:40] >> And guess what? No one gives a [ __ ]
[55:42] about Zootopia 2 just came out like this
[55:45] week.
[55:46] >> That's DreamWorks. Is it
[55:48] >> Disney?
[55:49] >> It's Disney, is it?
[55:50] >> Yeah.
[55:51] >> What is it? Pix Pixar?
[55:53] >> No, like just Yeah,
[55:56] >> Disney animation.
[55:57] >> Oh, okay.
[55:57] >> Yeah. I I liked Zootopia 1.
[55:59] >> Zootopia 1 was good.
[56:00] >> Yeah. So maybe that. But yeah, I just
[56:03] don't see anything.
[56:04] >> Watch them. ZooW2 will come out and
[56:06] they'll do a live action ZooW1.
[56:09] [gasps]
[56:10] >> I think the whole point of some of these
[56:12] movies are they're meant to be
[56:14] animation. Like there's no you're not
[56:15] meant to make these in live action.
[56:18] >> Like Lion King, you're not meant to make
[56:20] >> all of them. Why is Moana coming out?
[56:22] >> Yeah, exactly. That's And it's also too
[56:24] soon for that to come out. Like when
[56:26] >> Way too soon.
[56:27] >> Like Moana 2 just came out. They're wait
[56:29] just watch this. Like they're going to
[56:31] make Frozen live action. They're going
[56:32] to make all these things live action
[56:34] >> purely. There must be some money
[56:36] laundering going on because
[56:38] >> surely I know like all these guys claim
[56:40] that they budget so much. They spend all
[56:42] this money doing all this stuff.
[56:44] >> I reckon there is some shelving of
[56:45] money. There's something going
[56:47] >> taxing
[56:47] >> 100%. There's something going into this.
[56:50] I I just don't understand the
[56:51] motivation. Like everyone's telling them
[56:52] not to do it. So they stuffed it. Lion
[56:54] King they stuffed it. Mulan they
[56:55] stuffed.
[56:56] >> Yeah. Moana, I just saw the trailer. I
[56:59] was watching. Why do they They've
[57:01] straightened this girl's hair out.
[57:03] >> Yeah. She has curly hair in there. Yeah.
[57:05] >> Yeah. And when he gets wet, it cures up
[57:07] and they straighten it out. I'm like,
[57:08] "Okay." But what? They've got The Rock
[57:10] as Maui.
[57:10] >> Yeah.
[57:11] >> But then they didn't cast the same girl
[57:13] >> as Moana. Yeah.
[57:15] >> That's controversial, is it?
[57:16] >> Well, I actually don't know what she
[57:17] looks like, so who knows?
[57:19] >> Um, she could be like just not the body
[57:21] type, maybe. I don't know. But still,
[57:23] you think that
[57:24] >> the pictures I saw of her, like when she
[57:26] did the first one, she
[57:28] >> she kind of she sort of looks like it.
[57:30] >> Yeah. Maybe she doesn't look like her
[57:32] now. I don't know. Um Yeah.
[57:34] >> Um Okay. And uh what else do they do?
[57:37] Live action.
[57:38] >> Uh Snow White. That came out this year.
[57:41] Snow White.
[57:41] >> Okay. Um
[57:42] >> is that trash?
[57:43] >> Yeah.
[57:44] >> Oh, yeah. That's with um
[57:46] >> Z Matty Rachel.
[57:47] >> Rachel Ziggler. Who's Mattie Ziggler?
[57:49] Someone else.
[57:50] >> Someone else. Yeah. Um, yep.
[57:53] >> Okay. Yeah. Uh,
[57:55] >> yeah.
[57:56] >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know, man.
[57:59] >> Wicked just came out, but it's not doing
[58:01] as well as the first one.
[58:02] >> Okay. Let me just say, have you come
[58:04] across these interviews?
[58:05] >> Yes.
[58:06] >> Okay. They're already weird. They're
[58:08] already weird when the first Wicked came
[58:10] out. I I did watch the first Wicked. I
[58:13] thought it was all right. like it was
[58:14] kind of interesting concept and cool
[58:16] with the music and stuff, but the
[58:18] interviews with Ariana Grande and this
[58:19] Cynthia Revo girl were already weird
[58:22] >> and then they've just gotten weirder. I
[58:24] don't understand. Are these guys just
[58:26] like afraid of like human contact or
[58:29] like it's just it's just so weird. It's
[58:31] like these people are the most sheltered
[58:32] people I've ever seen.
[58:34] >> They're always crying as well. Like I've
[58:36] just seen the one with them.
[58:37] >> They're like I think they've just like I
[58:39] think they just shove like three lots of
[58:41] MDMA every morning. And so they're just
[58:44] losing their minds when it comes to
[58:45] emotions. Like they like when someone
[58:47] said they were going to end the
[58:48] interview, they're like, "Oh, you've
[58:49] been such you've been such a light. You
[58:51] brought light into this room." I was
[58:52] just like, "Man, what sort of drugs you
[58:54] genuinely they must be on MDMA. I don't
[58:57] understand." And also, there's I'm a bit
[58:59] worried about Ariana Grande. I don't
[59:01] know what's going on with her, but she
[59:02] does not look healthy compared to how
[59:04] she looked a few years ago. And I think
[59:06] there's definitely some element of look,
[59:08] she's been through a lot a bloody like
[59:10] her ex-boyfriend like I mean McMillan
[59:13] committed suicide and she's had like
[59:15] crazy boyfriends, all sorts of stuff,
[59:16] but still it's like I don't know there's
[59:19] something there's some combination of
[59:20] unhealthiness going on there.
[59:22] >> Yeah,
[59:22] >> I don't know if Yeah, it's it's weird.
[59:26] >> I found the one with the helicopter
[59:27] really funny though. There's a
[59:28] helicopter that went over them and
[59:29] they're like, "Not now helicopter." And
[59:32] >> I did see that. Yeah. [laughter]
[59:34] Um, yeah, we watched I'll give you like
[59:36] a two-minute review of Wicked for Good.
[59:39] Um, not as not as good as the first one.
[59:42] Um, and just I just found it like
[59:44] unintentionally funny in a lot of lot of
[59:47] lot of spots. Um, the songs were not I'm
[59:50] not a I haven't seen the musical, so I
[59:52] don't know the songs that well, but I
[59:54] thought the songs in this were not that
[59:55] memorable. Um, and the story just wasn't
[59:58] that good. Like
[59:59] >> not there.
[60:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't reckon it's going
[60:01] to be cuz the first one was kind of a
[60:03] bit of a phenomenon. People were
[60:06] remembering well a lot of people started
[60:08] singing like the main or you know that
[60:10] little hook that they have in
[60:12] >> that Ariana Grande sings
[60:14] >> unlimited. Oh the other one um popular
[60:16] >> actually. Oh yeah, whatever. But like
[60:18] they I actually don't know what song it
[60:20] is but
[60:21] >> there's a lot I used to see like
[60:23] Instagram reels or Tik Toks of like
[60:24] kids, adults, everyone trying to sing
[60:26] these things is very popular. I I feel
[60:28] like it's just not going to be Yeah.
[60:30] [clears throat]
[60:30] >> Not going to hit the
[60:32] >> Oh, here's here's another two-minute
[60:34] review. Kaiju number eight. It's good
[60:36] anime. You should watch it.
[60:37] >> It's two seasons.
[60:38] >> New one.
[60:39] >> I think it's relatively new.
[60:41] >> And I think the manga has just finished.
[60:44] >> Okay.
[60:44] >> But
[60:45] >> that is like one of those shows where
[60:48] there's a lot it it's very good at
[60:50] bringing hype. So like hype moments when
[60:51] it comes to like clashes between people
[60:53] and like hyping up powers and stuff and
[60:55] stuff. Yeah. Very cool. Solo Leveling
[60:57] I'd also recommend. That's also very
[60:59] cool. That's also only two seasons in
[61:01] from that's Korean animation, but that's
[61:03] only two seasons in. So, there's still a
[61:05] lot to go. It's It's not too far gone to
[61:08] catch up.
[61:08] >> Yeah.
[61:09] >> But recommend that as well.
[61:11] >> So, one thing we didn't mention and
[61:13] we'll wrap up shortly, but the music in
[61:16] the movie in Infinity Castle also the
[61:19] music across the show is actually pretty
[61:21] good, but in the in the movie it was
[61:23] next level.
[61:24] >> Yeah.
[61:25] >> Um very good. Um, and lastly,
[61:29] the debate that everyone has regarding
[61:31] anime, subs or dubbed?
[61:35] So, I'm a subs person. I prefer to watch
[61:37] it in Japanese. Um,
[61:39] >> yeah. So, I watched the series in
[61:41] English dubbed.
[61:42] >> It was only out in Japanese for us in in
[61:44] the cinema, so we had to watch it in
[61:46] Japanese.
[61:46] >> Yeah. So, we had to watch it, which um I
[61:48] don't know, after like the first maybe
[61:50] 10 minutes, I totally forgot that I was
[61:52] not watching the English stuff, so it
[61:53] didn't really matter too much. And in my
[61:55] head, I didn't even remember that I
[61:56] watched it in Japanese with English sub.
[61:59] So, um, totally fine. I think the voice
[62:03] acting is not bad in the actual show in
[62:07] the series.
[62:08] >> English dub.
[62:09] >> Yeah. And even
[62:10] >> JJK English dub's been good. Kaiju
[62:13] number eight English dubs been good. And
[62:16] actually, all of them, Solo Leveling has
[62:18] been good as well. So,
[62:20] I don't know. I've got no issues. I know
[62:21] that there's always there's going to be
[62:24] some little I know the way that people
[62:27] it's also catered. So the English dubs
[62:29] are always catered to like a western
[62:31] audience and so they will have certain
[62:34] characters will have lower voices
[62:36] compared to other but I know with the
[62:37] Japanese
[62:38] >> bit totally different.
[62:40] >> Yeah. Bit more hyper
[62:41] >> like Dragon Ball Z with in Japanese is
[62:44] totally different. Like Vegeta doesn't
[62:45] have he has like a high pitched voice
[62:47] I'm pretty sure.
[62:48] >> Oh really? Okay.
[62:49] >> Yeah. I'm pretty sure Veget Oh, I might
[62:51] be wrong, but but well, Goku has like a
[62:53] really high voice.
[62:54] >> Yeah.
[62:55] >> Yeah. Which is just like if you're not
[62:56] used to it, you're not you're not going
[62:58] to be able to cope. But
[62:59] >> yeah.
[63:00] >> Yeah. I don't know. Um overall,
[63:03] >> I don't know. I was happy with this
[63:04] movie.
[63:05] >> Definitely recommend it. Watch the
[63:06] series first.
[63:07] >> Watch the series. Watch the series and
[63:09] then watch the movie. Yeah.
[63:10] >> It'll come out on Crunchyroll. So, you
[63:12] don't need If you haven't seen the
[63:13] series, don't rush into watching the
[63:14] movie. Just watch the series and then
[63:15] eventually you can watch on Crunchyroll
[63:16] or wherever.
[63:17] >> Yeah.
[63:17] >> Or Netflix. is still showing in a lot of
[63:20] places still out.
[63:22] >> Um, it's still showing here in
[63:24] Melbourne, but I'm sure like in Japan,
[63:26] it would definitely still be running.
[63:27] So,
[63:27] >> and when is the next movie going to come
[63:29] out?
[63:29] >> 2027, apparently. So, they haven't
[63:31] locked in on a date, but apparently they
[63:34] want to take their time with the
[63:35] animation which
[63:36] >> Well, to it's animation. Like, how much
[63:38] time do they need?
[63:40] >> I think they I think it takes time.
[63:41] Like, this movie I think it took them
[63:44] three years. Two or three years
[63:46] probably.
[63:46] >> Really? Damn. Okay.
[63:47] >> Yeah. So I think it does take a bit of
[63:49] time. Um but you know I don't mind as
[63:52] long as the quality output is there then
[63:55] >> I don't mind. So I would say this is the
[63:57] first time since the between Infinity
[64:02] War and Endgame that I'm this hyped for
[64:04] the next movie.
[64:05] >> Yeah.
[64:05] >> Yeah.
[64:06] >> Yeah. True.
[64:07] >> Yeah.
[64:07] >> Yeah. I'm definitely Yeah. I'm
[64:09] definitely pumped for the next movie.
[64:10] I'm also pumped I think I'm pumped for
[64:13] now. I'm kind of I don't know. I'm kind
[64:14] of a fan of I may I wouldn't say I'm
[64:16] like a crazy fan of anime, but I am a
[64:18] fan of the series that I'm watching. So,
[64:20] you know, JJK season 3 is coming out
[64:23] soon, right? When is it coming out?
[64:25] >> The Well, the movie is coming out next
[64:27] week, which is the end of season 2 and
[64:30] the start of season 3.
[64:31] >> Yeah.
[64:32] >> And then the actual season 3 is in
[64:33] January, I think. So, yeah.
[64:36] >> So, is it Jiu-Jitsu Kaisen Movie 1? Cuz
[64:38] the previous one was called Ju Jiu-Jitsu
[64:40] Kaizen Zero.
[64:41] >> Yeah. This one's Jujitsu Kaizen
[64:44] Execution. I think that's the name of
[64:46] the movie.
[64:47] >> Oh wow.
[64:47] >> Yeah.
[64:48] >> Well, I'm keen to watch it. So, yeah, we
[64:50] should go watch that one.
[64:51] >> Maybe that's
[64:51] >> Are you up to date? You are up to date,
[64:53] right?
[64:53] >> No, it's still season one, but I'll
[64:54] catch up by by next week.
[64:56] >> Maybe Taran's further in JDK than
[64:58] >> Yeah, he's further than me. Yeah. Yeah,
[65:00] but he's not here, so he won't be
[65:01] watching the
[65:02] >> Yeah.
[65:03] >> the movie. Um, so yeah, maybe that's our
[65:07] next one. Maybe we'll just do anime from
[65:09] now.
[65:10] >> Turn into anime channel. [laughter] It
[65:11] just blows up. All of a sudden, you
[65:13] become like this crazy anime review
[65:14] channel.
[65:15] >> Yeah.
[65:16] >> Cool. All right.
[65:17] >> Awesome. Well, thanks for having me on.
[65:19] >> That was
[65:20] >> Thanks for coming on. Um,
[65:21] >> good experience. I rate it. We're
[65:22] changing genres a bit.
[65:23] >> Yeah,
[65:24] >> I'm liking it.
[65:25] >> We'll change some of these posters to to
[65:27] anime. I only have Jibli posters, but
[65:28] not actual anime shows.
[65:30] >> Well, I just bought I feel like I now
[65:32] need to buy a Demon Slayer poster, but I
[65:34] did buy JJK poster from Amazon that was
[65:37] very cool that I have up on my wall.
[65:39] Who's your favorite character in Demon
[65:40] Slayer?
[65:42] >> I mean, it's kind of got to be Tangro,
[65:44] doesn't it? But if it's not, so put away
[65:47] Taniro.
[65:48] Honestly, I mean, Akaza is pretty sick
[65:52] villain. I really rate his character.
[65:55] >> Um
[65:57] then um Inosuk
[66:01] is pretty funny.
[66:02] >> Yeah. Um, amongst the Hashira,
[66:07] Stone is pretty sick. Stone is really
[66:09] cool. I really did enjoy Rangoku when he
[66:11] was around.
[66:13] >> Um,
[66:14] I think locked in Zenitu or Zenitu was
[66:17] very cool.
[66:17] >> Yeah,
[66:18] >> I don't know. The problem is I don't
[66:19] know how long that's hanging around for.
[66:21] He might turn into absolute wacko
[66:24] [laughter] at once is I don't know.
[66:26] We'll see. Hopefully not. But yeah.
[66:28] >> Yeah.
[66:29] >> What about you?
[66:31] I like Guillu because he's like
[66:33] understated. Like he also is like he
[66:37] doesn't say he doesn't really want to be
[66:38] a hashira but he is
[66:40] >> but I feel like he's
[66:41] >> guilty being a hash, doesn't he?
[66:42] >> Yeah. But I feel like he's quite
[66:44] powerful.
[66:45] >> Um and he's also like there's this thing
[66:47] with him and Tanger obviously like they
[66:49] want Tanger to become the water hashira.
[66:52] That's why he asked him to train him.
[66:54] >> Um
[66:55] >> but that ain't happening.
[66:56] >> Yeah, cuz he Tan is like doing other
[66:58] stuff as well.
[67:00] But is Tanger just he also is
[67:02] discovering all this other stuff.
[67:03] >> Yeah. Like he's got he's not only he
[67:06] does water stuff but he does his
[67:08] >> I think the whole reason is because they
[67:10] say if you know how to do sun breathing
[67:11] sun is the one that started it all.
[67:13] >> Yeah.
[67:13] >> So he can do that you can start doing
[67:15] everything else. Essentially this guy's
[67:16] going to turn into the avatar.
[67:17] >> That's what he's going to do
[67:18] >> cuz he's the only one that does more
[67:20] than one form of breathing. He does the
[67:22] Hima kami kagura thing.
[67:24] >> Yeah. Sun breathing.
[67:26] >> Yeah. and um water breathing where
[67:28] whereas everyone else just has one
[67:30] >> one form. So yeah, but I like Guu and I
[67:32] I want to see more of the stone. I feel
[67:34] like the stone husha is going to be
[67:36] really cool in the next movie.
[67:38] >> The mis breathing guy is also cool.
[67:40] >> Yeah,
[67:41] >> we just don't know. We don't know enough
[67:42] about serpent breathing guy. That would
[67:44] be fun. Uh that uh was that
[67:48] >> GA's brother?
[67:49] >> Yeah, I think he's the wind husher.
[67:51] There is a wind husher, isn't there? I
[67:53] think he's the wind husher.
[67:55] Yeah, he might be the wind hasher.
[67:57] >> Yeah.
[67:57] >> No, but who's the hasher that who's the
[67:59] hasher that left? He was in
[68:01] entertainment district and then retired.
[68:02] >> Oh, he's um Tangen, but he was something
[68:05] else, too. He was like music cuz he used
[68:08] like notes.
[68:10] >> Was he music?
[68:12] >> There was He was something different. He
[68:14] He had something.
[68:16] >> Yeah. Okay.
[68:17] >> He was cool, too. He was
[68:18] >> Yeah, he was very cool. He reminds me of
[68:21] our Toto in JJK, the guy that does the
[68:24] clap. Are you up to that bit?
[68:26] >> No.
[68:27] >> You're on season two?
[68:28] >> I've watched Zero.
[68:29] >> You watched season one?
[68:30] >> One. I'm not up to that yet, though. I'm
[68:32] early season one still.
[68:33] >> But season one. In season one, they've
[68:35] done the the inter school competition.
[68:38] Like
[68:39] >> I'm not all I'm still
[68:40] >> That's season two.
[68:41] >> I'm still very early in season one. So
[68:42] >> Oh, you're in season one. Okay. Okay.
[68:44] Okay.
[68:44] >> Now, there's a there's a cool character
[68:46] called um Toto. He's just like this
[68:48] massive buffed guy and then he just
[68:50] comes out with the most nonsense
[68:51] sometimes and sometime it reminds me of
[68:53] that guy but yeah
[68:54] >> that guy was cool though and technically
[68:56] I mean he just quit the but he's still
[69:00] >> they should bring him back.
[69:00] >> Yeah, he doesn't have a hand but
[69:01] >> he has like three wives
[69:03] >> that are like
[69:05] it's that are just drawn in the most
[69:07] porn way. This is classic Japanese
[69:10] animation, isn't it? Classic.
[69:12] >> Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. He I don't
[69:14] know what he was, but I think Ga's
[69:16] brother is the wind hashier. So yeah, I
[69:18] want to see more of the other guys,
[69:20] >> but I think um
[69:21] >> what we've seen from Guillu is pretty
[69:24] cool. And uh hopefully the stone I think
[69:27] cuz what how does the stone breathing
[69:29] even work? Like we don't even we haven't
[69:30] really seen him do a move yet. So
[69:32] >> no, but we've only seen them moving
[69:34] about talking about moving that boulder.
[69:36] >> So I think it's like pure kind of
[69:39] >> mind over matter David Gogging [ __ ]
[69:41] That's [laughter] That's stone stone
[69:43] husher is like Yeah, I think at least
[69:44] that's what we've seen so far.
[69:46] >> Yeah,
[69:46] >> we know. But this guy's he's doing some
[69:47] crazy stuff
[69:48] >> when he rocked up.
[69:49] >> He doesn't even use a sword, right? He's
[69:51] got like this um
[69:52] >> Yeah, this uh I don't know what you call
[69:54] it, but it's like
[69:55] >> a cannonball thing that he like
[69:57] >> it's like this thing that Sauron uses
[69:59] [laughter] in Lord of the Rings.
[70:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.
[70:02] Yeah.
[70:02] >> Well, at least in the uh depicted of the
[70:06] Yeah.
[70:07] >> Yeah. Wait, and also does um it's also
[70:10] kind of what the Witch King kind of uses
[70:12] as well, like that thing. Yeah. Yeah.
[70:14] >> He uses that. Yeah. Cuz at the end of um
[70:16] the last season, he he just comes in
[70:19] with that and he like knocks off half of
[70:21] Muan's body with it.
[70:22] >> Yeah. He just absolutely slams into
[70:24] >> Yeah, cuz he's the only one that knows
[70:26] about the master's plan to
[70:28] >> Yeah.
[70:29] >> Yeah. to to bomb cuz the rest of the
[70:31] guys don't know it.
[70:33] Yeah.
[70:34] >> Um Yeah. It's cool. It
[70:36] >> is very cool.
[70:37] I really like this world and I I
[70:39] actually regret us not going on the
[70:41] Demon Slayer ride now. We should have
[70:43] gone on it.
[70:44] >> Yeah. I mean, we didn't know about it.
[70:46] We didn't know anything about There was
[70:47] no way we were going to wait in that
[70:48] line in the bloody for a show we didn't
[70:50] know anything about.
[70:51] >> Yeah,
[70:52] >> but I maybe we'll appreciate it. Oh,
[70:54] yeah. It's not.
[70:55] >> No, they've replaced it with um Spy
[70:57] Family.
[70:58] >> Yeah.
[70:59] >> Um which is also not a bad show, but
[71:01] Yeah.
[71:02] >> Cool. Thanks for coming on. Um that was
[71:05] great discussion. Um, we
[71:07] >> Christmas episode next.
[71:08] >> Well, JJK and then Christmas maybe.
[71:10] Let's see. Let's see what we think of
[71:12] JJK. Like, yeah.
[71:14] >> Um, but definitely Christmas episode
[71:15] soon. Um, if you want to get in touch
[71:17] with us, you can contact us on uh
[71:20] Cognitive Recalibration
[71:21] Podcast@gmail.com.
[71:23] We're on Instagram at cognitive
[71:24] recalibration and also Tik Tok. So,
[71:27] follow us on those. And um, thanks for
[71:31] tuning into this one. Hope you enjoyed
[71:33] it. Definitely go watch Demon Slayer if
[71:35] you've listened till now. We've just
[71:36] spoiled everything, but you'll still
[71:37] enjoy it. Um, and we'll see you in the
[71:40] next one.
[71:40] >> Maybe this is the uh the one little
[71:42] ignition point to start watching anime.
[71:44] Hopefully, it is.
[71:45] >> Yeah.
[71:45] >> All right. See you later. Thank you.
[71:47] >> See you. Bye.
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