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[1:02] >> Hello internet. My name is Taliesin. And
[1:03] I'm Evitel. And welcome to a world
[1:05] podcast episode number 66. 66
[1:09] and we are on route to another fantastic
[1:13] podcast, ladies and gentlemen. We're on
[1:15] route to 69.
[1:17] Oh well, I mean now you mention it.
[1:19] I haven't got a birthday for like
[1:21] another 9 months or something. What are
[1:22] you What are you talking about? Welcome
[1:24] everyone. Hi, how are we doing? Oh,
[1:26] we've got We've got stream session going
[1:29] on here. Hi, how are we all? How are
[1:32] things? Welcome to the chat people who
[1:34] are in chat. I can't see the chat.
[1:35] What's going on? Why can't I see the
[1:37] chat? Oh, there it is. Okay, excellent.
[1:39] Um
[1:39] >> are here on a Wednesday, bit out of
[1:42] character for us. Uh Unexpected, isn't
[1:45] it? If you don't follow us on socials,
[1:46] you'd never have known. You don't have
[1:48] alerts on for We were 3 minutes late,
[1:51] but technically we were almost 24 hours
[1:54] early. We were 23 hours and 57 minutes
[1:58] early is what we were doing. That was a
[2:00] Good joke. I really like that. Thank
[2:01] you. That was nice. Welcome. Oh, I It's
[2:03] going to be a good show, I can tell you.
[2:05] And I know it's going to be a good show
[2:06] because we've got some amazing things to
[2:09] talk about.
[2:10] >> god. There is going to be
[2:11] >> Yes, we are. Well, pretty much for most
[2:13] of this episode, although not right now,
[2:15] there is going to I like I'm just going
[2:16] to be wearing this on my shoulder. Oh,
[2:19] he's dead.
[2:21] He can't be dead.
[2:22] >> There's another one behind you. Don't
[2:24] Don't worry, Evitel, cuz even though
[2:25] he's dead, I've got a feeling he might
[2:27] come back.
[2:29] I I think he might come back. Oh,
[2:31] because we're going to be talking raid
[2:33] spoilers, cinematic spoilers from the uh
[2:37] the March of the Kaldorei cinematic
[2:39] and I'm I'm currently writing a
[2:41] cinematic analysis of it. I I'm toying
[2:45] with calling the cinematic analysis the
[2:47] dumbest [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life.
[2:49] >> [laughter]
[2:50] >> Uh but I don't know. I'm looking forward
[2:52] cuz I'm I'm thinking about this way too
[2:53] much. I'm looking forward to hearing
[2:54] people talk about it in chat. I'm
[2:55] looking forward to hearing Evitel's uh
[2:57] opinions on it as well.
[2:59] I mean, I think that sums it up pretty
[3:01] splendidly. Yeah. Uh but not just that,
[3:03] of course, because it's April Fools' DAY
[3:05] AS WELL. DO you know how I know it's
[3:06] April Fools' Day? Do you know how I know
[3:08] it's April Fools' Day? How do you know?
[3:10] Cuz I opened my [ __ ] vault. And I
[3:12] looked inside that and I was like, "Now
[3:14] I remember." That's the only good April
[3:16] Fools' joke I've heard today. That's
[3:19] literally the only It just Every year I
[3:21] don't know Is it because I'm old? Like
[3:23] every year it just gets worse and worse.
[3:25] There was a sweet spot where I would
[3:27] kind of like willingly fall for things
[3:29] and it felt good, but now I'm just like
[3:32] >> [laughter]
[3:33] >> All right. I You know, I'm just shaking
[3:35] my head and everything. Oh, I'm sorry.
[3:36] Look, I I remember seeing that
[3:39] a couple of days ago or something. I saw
[3:41] Mr. GM tweet that, you know, his his
[3:45] planned April Fools' joke was evil. Oh,
[3:49] wow.
[3:49] >> Yeah. Uh so I want I I I haven't noticed
[3:52] it. I haven't seen it online, so
[3:54] hopefully it was. Of course, April
[3:55] Fools' Day is over now. All your jokes
[3:57] have to be done before midday and we are
[3:58] well after midday. It's here. Americans
[4:00] are just waking up. Oh, yeah, I guess
[4:02] so.
[4:03] >> of foolishness ahead of them.
[4:05] Do you think people thought we were
[4:07] joking about doing our podcast today
[4:08] early? It's incredibly possible.
[4:11] >> we're doing our podcast daily
[4:12] nothing to do with World of Warcraft,
[4:14] nothing to do with the podcast, I'm
[4:15] afraid. It's not because it's like, "Oh,
[4:16] they want to talk about the cinematic or
[4:18] anything like that." No. No. Um it's
[4:20] because I'm going to see the Super Mario
[4:21] movie with my son tomorrow.
[4:24] Uh at normal podcast time. He's going
[4:26] for a friend's birthday. The friend's
[4:27] dad invited me to come along and
[4:29] basically help him look after the kids.
[4:31] And I was like, "Yes, please."
[4:33] >> Imagine going to see the new Super Mario
[4:35] movie with your buddies. Yeah. Like, you
[4:37] know,
[4:38] >> god, you're 6 years old. Super Mario
[4:40] Galaxy movie has just come out. It's
[4:42] school holidays. It's your friend's
[4:44] birthday. You're going to go You're
[4:46] going to go with your dad who you love
[4:48] and all of your buds and you're going to
[4:50] go watch some Mario Oh, yeah.
[4:54] going to eat some snacks. I hadn't
[4:55] thought of it that way. This is going to
[4:57] be like one of the best moments of his
[4:58] entire little life so far, isn't it?
[5:00] He's He's going to be so He's going to
[5:01] be so excited. I hope he realizes how
[5:03] how lucky he is and how life will never
[5:05] be as good. I know.
[5:07] >> [laughter]
[5:07] >> Even when he can go to the pub, it won't
[5:09] be quite as good.
[5:10] >> Yeah. So for us it's just a Oh, we can't
[5:12] do the podcast kind of thing, but for
[5:14] him it's going to be a special day. It's
[5:15] going to be a special day for Penny,
[5:16] too, because I'm while that's happening,
[5:19] I'm going to take her climbing. We're
[5:21] going to go to Crazy Climb.
[5:22] >> Oh, are you? Yeah, cuz it's right there.
[5:23] Are you going to Are you going to climb
[5:24] as well?
[5:25] >> No, I'm going to watch her climb. No,
[5:26] you should. I I took Annie to Crazy
[5:27] Climb and I didn't climb and I regret
[5:29] it. I really really regret it. I like I
[5:31] wish I had climbed as well. So I'm just
[5:33] I would bear that in mind if I was you
[5:35] cuz it's really fun looking. It's really
[5:37] cool. Anyway, this isn't irrelevant at
[5:39] all. Guys, if you don't want us to talk
[5:42] about the cinematic and I've done it
[5:44] all, by the way. I I I came on this
[5:46] morning, all right? I I came on. I saw
[5:48] the cinematic last night
[5:50] on my phone as I was putting my boy to
[5:52] bed as usual. But and and then I woke up
[5:57] this morning and I opened my vault and
[6:00] you know, almost threw my
[6:01] almost threw my PC out the window, if
[6:02] I'm being completely honest. And then I
[6:04] I did the intro scenario, which we'll
[6:06] talk about as well, this week's kind of
[6:08] campaign quest. And then I pugged it
[6:11] normal.
[6:13] And at the moment with the amount that
[6:15] everyone is very geared because because,
[6:18] you know, like there's just a lot of
[6:19] gear around at the moment because of
[6:20] Mythic Plus and stuff like that.
[6:22] I feel like normal is is pretty much
[6:24] story mode right now. You can go in. It
[6:26] might take It's cuz two pulls on each
[6:27] boss.
[6:29] And we and we absolutely nailed it. Um
[6:31] so so I could see the cinematic in
[6:33] context and I could see like all the
[6:34] dialogue and the quests and stuff like
[6:36] that in context. And the new skybox as
[6:39] well.
[6:41] Spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers. But if you
[6:43] don't want us to talk about any of that,
[6:45] then well, you can't stop us, but
[6:47] frankly, but you can get us to talk
[6:47] about other stuff as well with a little
[6:49] bit of money. Just send us a little bit
[6:51] of your hard earned way and we'll talk
[6:54] about whatever you want. How? How? Not
[6:56] just in any way. In one specific way.
[6:58] You put it in an envelope just like
[6:59] Blizzard do and send it to us just like
[7:02] Blizzard do with, you know, what you
[7:04] want us to talk about just like Blizzard
[7:05] do. Your favorite clone of perfume on
[7:07] there like Ian does and then just uh
[7:10] yeah.
[7:12] Uh people in chat pointing out that
[7:15] Annie, our son, is three expansions old
[7:17] right now. Well, actually, he was born
[7:19] in BFA.
[7:20] He was born in BFA. So Shadowlands,
[7:23] Dragonflight, War Within. This is his
[7:25] fifth expansion. He was
[7:30] >> [ __ ] weekly reset intro scenarios
[7:34] uh like intro skits with me holding him
[7:36] on camera and it's BFA.
[7:39] Right, of course, cuz it was the Xy'era.
[7:41] Yeah. Of course.
[7:42] >> Yeah, the really famous story about how
[7:44] we were raiding and you had to go into
[7:46] labor and it was like a BFA raid. I
[7:48] always associate This is terrible. I
[7:51] always kind of associate him with
[7:52] Shadowlands because I was pregnant like
[7:56] heavily pregnant with him on stage for
[7:59] BlizzCon when they were talking about
[8:00] it.
[8:01] >> Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, when the
[8:01] Shadowlands was revealed, I guess. Yeah.
[8:04] I was it was
[8:05] Don't worry.
[8:06] Okay. It was like a really
[8:10] Uh it's towards the end of of BFA, I
[8:12] guess.
[8:13] Uh yeah, it was like a point three. But
[8:15] anyway,
[8:17] we killed the dragon. He was born. This
[8:19] is now his fifth expansion.
[8:21] Which is wild, really, when you think
[8:23] about it. Absolutely crazy. Almost as
[8:25] many expansions as he is years old. And
[8:28] granted, like he's he's only a little
[8:30] bit into midnight and he came at the end
[8:32] of BFA. So like if we're doing full
[8:34] expansions,
[8:38] >> [laughter]
[8:39] [clears throat]
[8:41] >> So that must mean That must mean that
[8:45] um that
[8:46] Penny was born at the end of
[8:46] Shadowlands surely.
[8:49] I would Maybe I I might have to look
[8:51] that one up. Yeah, yeah. The time works
[8:53] differently during Shadowlands. Yeah,
[8:55] who knows? Anyway, how do they make us
[8:57] talk about something that isn't this
[8:58] baby [ __ ] You can uh throw us a super
[9:01] chat on YouTube uh if you're watching
[9:04] over there. Yeah, drop us a super chat.
[9:07] Uh let us know what you're thinking. Let
[9:09] us know what you'd like us to talk
[9:10] about.
[9:11] Uh you know, let us just just give us
[9:13] your thoughts. We are reading super
[9:15] chats. Also on YouTube,
[9:18] big news coming up this month. We are
[9:21] going to mostly for your benefit, uh
[9:24] live listeners, we're going to turn on
[9:25] memberships. How exciting. I don't
[9:28] understand what you're saying.
[9:30] >> You don't have to understand because I
[9:31] cuz I do it. So basically, we are going
[9:34] to
[9:35] uh we're going to turn on memberships on
[9:36] YouTube, but like specifically so that
[9:39] you guys can have badges in chat. Is
[9:42] that Is that it?
[9:42] >> Like literally
[9:44] literally just like you guys are
[9:45] >> mean, that's cool. I like badges.
[9:46] They're fine. You guys get badges in
[9:48] chat. Like we'll come up with other fun
[9:49] things. Like particularly cuz we want to
[9:51] do We want to do you folks, like the
[9:53] live listeners and then everyone else
[9:55] cuz we love everyone else, too.
[9:57] Uh we want to give you guys a little
[9:59] something special cuz we appreciate you.
[10:01] And we are like I know that there's a
[10:03] there's like a live listening audience.
[10:04] There are people who just watch the main
[10:07] videos. There are people who, because
[10:09] I've looked at the analytics, watch
[10:11] Oh, no, no, there are people who watch
[10:13] our main videos and then unsubscribe
[10:15] when we do a live podcast.
[10:17] So, there you know, there there there
[10:20] are lots of folks out here and we want
[10:21] to we want to basically give you guys a
[10:23] little something fun. Okay. That people
[10:25] unsubscribe every video you put out.
[10:27] And like any video we put out, people
[10:29] unsubscribe. That's like That's how it
[10:30] works.
[10:31] >> but sometimes there are more subscribers
[10:33] than un- Oh.
[10:34] >> subscribers.
[10:35] >> Right. Um and sometimes Hopefully
[10:38] hopefully always. Well, that's the idea.
[10:40] Well, with podcasts it's a slightly
[10:42] different story.
[10:43] >> Yeah. Uh but yeah, so we're going to be
[10:46] uh we'll be doing that. But that will
[10:48] come later this month. Uh in the
[10:50] meantime, if you want to just drop us a
[10:52] super chat to discuss, chit-chat, talk,
[10:55] question,
[10:57] uh let us know. Yeah.
[10:59] >> That's That's what we are here for.
[11:01] >> you just keep talking. I am. I'm Yeah.
[11:03] Uh yeah, so uh today yeah, uh if you
[11:08] would like to avoid spoilers,
[11:12] um then probably that's not
[11:15] >> keep talking. Come on, you're
[11:16] professional. Go go go.
[11:17] >> I am talking. I am talking.
[11:20] Uh badges and custom emojis, yeah,
[11:22] exactly. Basically, we want to replicate
[11:24] all the good stuff that happens on
[11:25] Twitch and give it to you here. Okay.
[11:27] >> Um but yeah, so uh that is the plan.
[11:32] Uh I so
[11:33] regarding the cinematic, I have not yet
[11:34] done the raid.
[11:36] I did manage to do Void Spire yesterday.
[11:38] >> Uh-huh. Uh with a guild, which is great.
[11:42] Which is fantastic.
[11:43] Did you You weren't in a very good mood
[11:45] when you did it. I came up and you were
[11:46] in a right state.
[11:47] >> I was because because I was so excited
[11:49] to finally do it and then I'm like,
[11:50] "Dude, I am so geared. I'm like 255.
[11:55] I'm like I'm on top of this. Like I've
[11:57] got a couple of hero pieces. I'm
[11:59] absolutely rolling." And um
[12:02] and then I was like second to last DPS
[12:04] the whole time.
[12:05] >> Yeah. You don't read guides, do you? I
[12:07] do Listen, listen, I I love you. You are
[12:10] the love of my life. You're my favorite
[12:11] person on earth.
[12:12] But I've never met anyone so bad at
[12:14] taking advice. You refuse to. And like
[12:16] you take it you you refuse to take
[12:18] advice in any situation.
[12:19] >> advice.
[12:20] >> you could you could be like
[12:23] you could be like um
[12:25] in a in a plane cockpit and like the
[12:28] pilot has a heart attack and dies and
[12:30] you're like, "Shit, I've got to land the
[12:31] plane." And they're like, "Okay, we've
[12:33] got a pilot on the line for you. He's
[12:35] going to explain how to land the plane."
[12:36] You'll be like, "DON'T TELL ME WHAT the
[12:37] [ __ ] to do. Shut the [ __ ] up." You'd be
[12:39] like you don't you you wouldn't actually
[12:41] say shut the [ __ ] up. What you do is you
[12:42] go very stoic and you'd be like, "Mhm.
[12:45] Mhm. Mhm." And like the the guy the
[12:47] pilot on on the phone would be like,
[12:50] "This is how to land the plane. These
[12:51] are the buttons to press." And you'd be
[12:52] like, "Mhm. Mhm." But you wouldn't be
[12:54] listening and you wouldn't do it. Cuz
[12:56] you would refuse. You'd be like And
[12:57] look, I I think that's something I love
[12:58] about you because 99% of the time it
[13:01] works out cuz you're very capable and
[13:02] very lovely.
[13:03] >> I am very capable.
[13:04] >> I'm very clever. But 1% of the time
[13:06] sometimes it doesn't.
[13:07] >> [clears throat]
[13:08] >> Yeah. You know? And and I I feel like
[13:11] perhaps
[13:12] reading a guide, because there are lots
[13:14] even though the class is very simple
[13:16] >> the time.
[13:17] >> Okay, well, okay.
[13:18] >> play I'm a hunter. I can't play without
[13:20] a guide.
[13:21] I watched
[13:22] You know what it is? It's literally my
[13:23] PC. It's like my cool
[13:25] >> sounds are like Oh, we blaming the
[13:26] tools? Is that what we're doing? Is that
[13:28] how we're going to run this?
[13:29] >> This is why I don't want to play World
[13:31] of Warcraft anymore.
[13:32] >> matter it doesn't matter how many times
[13:33] I tell you to put your mouth closer to
[13:34] the microphone so people don't complain
[13:36] about the the like
[13:38] >> then I won't look at you at all.
[13:39] >> just doesn't matter.
[13:40] You won't do it because that's just the
[13:42] way we are.
[13:43] >> Yeah, so it's
[14:38] yeah, I know I
[14:39] >> that, as is traditional on April the
[14:42] 1st, we have had Blizzard drop a
[14:45] hilarious
[14:46] April the 1st post. Now, I'm assuming
[14:48] it's hilarious cuz I haven't read it,
[14:49] okay? But they're always hilarious.
[14:51] They're little joke blue posts, right?
[14:53] So, what we're going to do is, okay,
[14:55] we're going to do a like, you know, try
[14:58] and make Tally laugh session where you
[15:01] read me the hilarious
[15:04] April the 1st blue post and if I laugh,
[15:07] I lose.
[15:08] Oh, well. Well,
[15:10] I've got news for you. I don't think
[15:12] this one is a classic.
[15:14] >> [laughter]
[15:14] >> Oh, no, I lost.
[15:18] Yeah, that was like a menacing laugh.
[15:20] Like that
[15:20] >> [laughter]
[15:21] >> was quite funny.
[15:22] Yeah, but like that's kind of laugh you
[15:23] you make when you see someone you don't
[15:24] like fall on their ass. [laughter]
[15:27] Um I I don't think this one is going to
[15:28] go down into like the annals of history.
[15:30] But you know, that's I just skimmed it.
[15:32] I skimmed it and my problem was that
[15:34] that I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's a
[15:36] good idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[15:39] yeah. I'd like to implement that."
[15:40] >> the feedback I'm getting, actually.
[15:41] Yeah yeah
[15:42] yeah.
[15:42] >> actually
[15:43] I I want I want that in a kind of a
[15:45] serious way." Yeah, more than ever
[15:47] before, people are like, "Actually, no,
[15:49] yeah, that, please. That would be really
[15:51] good."
[15:51] >> Yeah. So, shall we shall we do a little
[15:53] run down of the
[15:54] of this? The only other time that's ever
[15:55] happened was during Shadowlands where
[15:57] the April the Fool they I'm I'm
[15:59] surprised they did one during
[16:00] Shadowlands. But the April the 1st Why
[16:02] am I speaking about Shadowlands so much?
[16:03] Who knows? Maybe it's on my mind.
[16:05] >> know.
[16:05] >> Um
[16:06] the the April the 1st post they put out
[16:08] was like, "Yeah, anything.
[16:10] We'll take [ __ ] anything." [laughter]
[16:13] That that [ __ ] April the 1st I Yeah,
[16:15] we'll we'll take it. Let's Let's go.
[16:16] Let's do it.
[16:20] Um so uh here we go. Here is our
[16:23] uh 2026 edition of the World of Warcraft
[16:26] April Fools patch notes. Um
[16:30] Dare I Oh, I'll start.
[16:32] >> Should I Should I bring them up on
[16:33] screen?
[16:34] >> Yeah, I've got them I've got them up
[16:35] here.
[16:35] >> Okay, let me uh I've got to press a
[16:36] button to make that happen.
[16:38] >> the one and only Kybax. Who I
[16:41] appreciate. You know what I mean? Make
[16:42] the uh make the text a bit bigger so
[16:43] people can see it better on the screen.
[16:45] How's that?
[16:46] >> pretty good.
[16:48] Uh World of Warcraft patch 12.0.9.
[16:52] >> [laughter]
[16:53] >> Yeah. Sorry, did I lose?
[16:54] >> Yeah. 9 minutes after midnight, working
[16:56] title.
[16:57] >> Quite funny. Production notes. This
[16:59] patch is going to be a real
[17:00] crowd-pleaser when we reveal it via a
[17:01] series of elaborate videos. Please do
[17:04] not forward this document to anyone.
[17:06] Okay, that's quite funny. Okay.
[17:08] >> Like cuz it's [clears throat] it's
[17:08] making fun of like the way that they
[17:10] reveal midnight. Yeah. Yeah, and like
[17:12] the midnight kind of reveal the game.
[17:14] So, it's making fun of that. And I like
[17:15] the self-awareness. I think that's quite
[17:17] Okay. Okay, I'm not laughing.
[17:19] >> Yeah. But you're you're nodding. You're
[17:20] nodding.
[17:21] >> of foreplay. I'm enjoying it. Yeah,
[17:23] totally.
[17:24] Please do not forward this document to
[17:25] anyone so that we can avoid leaks and
[17:27] everyone can continue doing great work.
[17:29] Remember what happened last time? It was
[17:31] horrible. Maybe not as horrible as when
[17:34] you get takeout and discover a missing
[17:35] item only after you get home, but it was
[17:37] bad. Maybe not as bad as when you drop
[17:39] your phone and it lands on your foot at
[17:41] what feels like terminal velocity, but
[17:43] it was awful. Okay, thank you very much
[17:45] for not leaking these notes. Has anyone
[17:47] ever been upset when they drop their
[17:48] phone on their foot? Surely what you
[17:50] feel is relief cuz you're like, "Oh,
[17:52] thank god it landed on my foot and not
[17:55] and not on the hard concrete on which
[17:57] I'm standing." It broke the little
[17:58] delicate bones. Like yeah.
[18:00] Break my foot 100 times over before you
[18:02] break my phone, please. Yeah,
[18:03] absolutely. Okay, right. I don't relate.
[18:05] Sorry. Bad start.
[18:09] >> point, new content for role players
[18:11] only.
[18:13] I mean Am I a joke to you? What? I know.
[18:16] I was like, "Wait, actually Yes, please.
[18:19] Although I have to say that midnight is
[18:20] very good for role players so far with
[18:22] housing and the Arcan tina and just
[18:25] general like
[18:27] I know all the different phases of
[18:28] Silvermoon as you progress in the story.
[18:29] It It makes it quite difficult for role
[18:31] players cuz people are in different
[18:32] phases and and and like at different
[18:34] levels of the story and stuff like that.
[18:35] But whatever. Who knows? Let's go. Okay,
[18:37] wait. I I now that I'm reading this,
[18:39] this is actually quite funny. Okay.
[18:41] >> Well, I'll be the judge of that.
[18:45] Uh large role play instances. In large
[18:49] role play instances, you'll need to
[18:51] meticulously plan to role play together
[18:53] with up to two dozen other role players
[18:55] as you join up to explore fantastic new
[18:57] ideas, new areas filled with
[18:59] opportunities for expression, non-player
[19:01] characters that we're calling bosses,
[19:04] but you're free to call them anything
[19:05] you like. Each offer you a new and
[19:08] carefully decorated stage area with
[19:10] dialogue and narrative intentions of
[19:13] their own. This patch includes over 50
[19:15] large role play instances for you to
[19:18] discover with a big groups of your
[19:19] co-stars.
[19:21] Role play fighting. We've noticed that
[19:24] role players appear to be missing a key
[19:25] element of storytelling, fictional
[19:27] violence. In role play fighting, you'll
[19:30] finally have access to role play areas
[19:32] we're calling battlegrounds and arenas
[19:35] where you can incorporate low-stakes
[19:37] pretend combat into your narratives.
[19:39] Express yourselves in fictional
[19:40] altercations with other role players.
[19:42] And when the story results in your
[19:43] character's death, don't worry. You
[19:46] won't lose anything at all and you'll be
[19:47] restored to that You can You'll be
[19:49] restored so that you can return to your
[19:51] role play session with only a brief
[19:53] delay.
[19:55] Do you have four co-stars that you
[19:58] regularly role play with?
[20:00] We have great It's the It's Yeah, I get
[20:03] it. I get it. It's like it's a fun It's
[20:05] a funny concept. It's funny in its
[20:07] relentlessness. I like it. Um we have
[20:10] great news for you. Over 120 new areas
[20:12] for five performer role playing have
[20:14] been added to wow. Befitting their size
[20:17] and scope, smaller role play instances
[20:19] include only about five stages and each
[20:21] stage they're in includes a default
[20:23] story for you to add your own narrative.
[20:25] >> look, I appreciate I appreciate the
[20:27] thinking behind this joke. I appreciate
[20:29] the concept behind the joke. I don't
[20:30] dislike the joke. What I will say is I'm
[20:33] very worried that this is their opener.
[20:36] Yeah, well. All right, like I feel like
[20:38] that's a funny joke, but it's not an
[20:39] opening joke.
[20:41] I'm worried for the rest of it. Yeah.
[20:43] Okay, no, that was funny. I like the
[20:45] concept. Trick role players into going
[20:47] into raids and dungeons. That's good.
[20:48] That's good. That's excellent. Yeah.
[20:50] New character customization, tails.
[20:54] Players have been asking for years and
[20:55] we're finally delivering. That's right.
[20:57] Dwarfs can now have tails if they want
[20:59] to. This is a purely optional
[21:01] customization. Please let us know what
[21:03] else you'd like to see added to the
[21:04] customization options for the noble
[21:06] dwarf race.
[21:08] That one's good because it might make
[21:09] people online angry. The good ones are
[21:12] the ones that make people online angry.
[21:13] Like
[21:15] who was it? Was it Method or or Liquid
[21:17] or
[21:18] the other one, Echo, who put out one
[21:20] today which was like a fake blue post of
[21:23] Blizzard apologizing for banning weak
[21:24] auras and saying they were bringing
[21:26] back.
[21:27] That's funny cuz people get angry and
[21:29] like people get very passionate about
[21:31] it.
[21:32] Yeah, yeah. Anyway, sorry. Okay. New
[21:34] dungeon mode, mythic plus plus plus.
[21:37] Okay [laughter]
[21:38] that gets a chuckle from me. That gets a
[21:40] chuckle from me. Yeah.
[21:42] Uh have you ever felt like you're
[21:44] playing alongside someone who can't see?
[21:46] In this new two-person dungeon mode,
[21:48] you'll team up with a complete strangers
[21:50] who is from a different faction that
[21:52] you've never met before and you won't
[21:53] even be able to talk to each other at
[21:55] first. Try tapping out a code or giving
[21:57] them a thumbs up. In mythic plus plus
[22:00] plus, you and your partner can't share
[22:01] the same air, but you can share in a
[22:03] dungeon adventure together. Once you
[22:05] trauma bond over your individually
[22:07] devastating backstories, words of
[22:09] encouragement. Hopefully, your new
[22:11] partner will be incredibly good at
[22:12] everything you're hilariously bad at
[22:14] doing. Amaze amaze amaze. I kind of like
[22:17] the like slightly dadaist absurd humor.
[22:20] This this this
[22:22] >> [laughter]
[22:22] >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what
[22:23] they're going for. It's like you just
[22:24] don't you don't appreciate dadaist
[22:26] absurd humor.
[22:27] >> Yeah, like it's
[22:28] like I like the tone of this and that
[22:30] it's like just completely goofy ass
[22:32] [ __ ] Like
[22:34] >> [laughter]
[22:35] >> I I appreciate it. New dungeon, city
[22:38] boy.
[22:40] I really don't want to read this, but
[22:41] here we go. Okay, so this new dungeon
[22:44] hits different. It's basically snatched
[22:46] giving absolute chaos energy like so
[22:48] delulu. Imagine pulling up with your
[22:50] aura farming besties and the brain rot
[22:52] is instantly out of pocket. The whole
[22:54] place is low-key haunted, but also
[22:56] high-key chopped with fire mobs that
[22:59] straight up do not pass the vibe check
[23:00] and bosses that are built different, no
[23:03] cap. Stack properly or get deleted in 4K
[23:05] and you're cooked like in your flop era
[23:07] wipe maxing.
[23:09] Big yikes. Overall, this one's looking
[23:11] pretty goated, but everyone in your
[23:13] squad will have to understand the
[23:14] assignment so that you can say you ate
[23:16] no crumbs.
[23:18] I feel like they asked me to write that.
[23:21] I feel like they were like
[23:23] who's the oldest person
[23:26] who works here?
[23:28] Can you write like a young person?
[23:31] Okay, so apparently the mythic plus plus
[23:33] plus is a reference to Project Hail Mary
[23:35] which everyone loves and has watched and
[23:37] I have not yet seen.
[23:38] >> Okay, great. Fantastic.
[23:39] >> it. I missed the big I missed the big
[23:40] jokes. Okay. Okay. It only just came out
[23:43] in this country though. It's only been
[23:45] out like a week.
[23:46] You can't expect me to watch a movie in
[23:48] the first week that it comes out.
[23:51] That one that hurt
[23:53] >> maxing? I thought you said wife maxing.
[23:55] >> Oh, yeah, no, you've already got that
[23:56] one, too. It's like
[23:58] really hurt me to read that one out
[24:00] loud. So, let me recover for a second.
[24:02] >> Okay. Okay, hardcore housing. Veteran
[24:06] World of Warcraft players will know the
[24:07] game is at its best when you're on the
[24:09] verge of being completely wiped out.
[24:12] Now the time has come to put your entire
[24:14] house on the line with hardcore housing.
[24:17] Okay, I like this concept. In hardcore
[24:19] In hardcore housing, you'll sign an
[24:20] irrevocable contract that nobody fully
[24:22] reads anyway committing to a mortgage,
[24:24] insurance, and maintenance costs that
[24:26] must be paid every month or you'll lose
[24:28] it all.
[24:29] >> I don't know if I I don't know if I can
[24:30] listen to the rest of this. It's making
[24:31] me anxious.
[24:31] >> I know. Every month thereafter, you'll
[24:33] experience the deep satisfaction that
[24:34] can only come from the escaping utter
[24:36] ruined utter ruined through something
[24:38] close to sheer luck. Head to the
[24:40] Undermine to get started on an adventure
[24:42] that you'll be on for the rest of your
[24:43] life and earn these unique rewards. A
[24:46] one-time only grace period on your
[24:47] monthly payments, a voucher for changing
[24:49] your adjustable rate mortgage to a fixed
[24:51] rate mortgage for a fee. Fixed rate is
[24:53] non-negotiable non-transferable and
[24:54] surprisingly surprisingly
[24:56] non-deterministic. Voucher can only be
[24:58] used in Undermine on the last day of the
[24:59] month. A 20% buff to your house's fire
[25:01] resistance,
[25:03] a special item, the go bag, which holds
[25:06] a few of your most beloved small pieces
[25:07] of decor. That one also hurt me to read.
[25:10] Yeah,
[25:11] this isn't funny. Yeah, this isn't
[25:13] making me laugh. This is making me cry.
[25:15] This is reminding me of
[25:18] everything I hate. [laughter]
[25:20] I I like the concept of hardcore
[25:22] housing. I thought it was going to be
[25:23] funny, but no. No, it wasn't It was too
[25:24] real.
[25:25] >> No. Decor yourself. Feedback from
[25:28] housing enthusiasts has been pouring in
[25:30] and players unanimously want to
[25:32] transform themselves into decor and see
[25:34] what the world is like from the
[25:35] perspective of a elegant almond table
[25:37] >> That that is
[25:39] Wait, that's unironically what's coming
[25:41] next patch.
[25:42] >> Now you can with decor yourself.
[25:44] >> Well, no,
[25:45] that's literally the new game play mode
[25:46] next patch.
[25:48] The decor yourself toy allows you to
[25:50] transform into any piece of decor in
[25:52] your collection. It preserves your
[25:54] It's not an April Fools' joke. They're
[25:55] literally they're doing it. But it
[25:57] preserves your transmog.
[25:59] But
[26:04] What? Are they
[26:06] Did no one go we can't do that in the
[26:08] April Fools' post because it's an actual
[26:10] thing we're doing? Wow. Wait. Wait.
[26:13] Wait. What's the Oh, wait. Wait.
[26:16] Wait, this one's really good. Okay, this
[26:18] one's great.
[26:21] >> [laughter]
[26:22] >> With the previous patch and some
[26:23] incredibly lucky late night hot fixing,
[26:25] we're proud to announce that we reached
[26:27] perfect balance across all classes in
[26:29] our internal testing analysis facility,
[26:31] which is a real thing that we will not
[26:32] talk about any further. Thus, this patch
[26:35] has no need for any class changes. We'd
[26:37] like to take this opportunity to thank
[26:38] everyone who provided the key points of
[26:40] feedback we always needed to reach this
[26:42] incredible milestone. You know who you
[26:44] are.
[26:45] Hunters, all damage and pet damage
[26:47] decreased [laughter] by 5%.
[26:53] >> [laughter]
[26:53] >> It's It's always the class balance stuff
[26:55] that makes me laugh.
[26:57] Oh, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE?
[26:58] >> [laughter]
[27:02] >> OKAY, that's funny.
[27:04] Man yeah.
[27:05] Yeah, Randy's killing me. Okay.
[27:08] New from the wow classic development
[27:10] team.
[27:11] Remember how it felt when an immersive
[27:13] new kind of game play was first added to
[27:15] World of Warcraft so long ago?
[27:18] In those early days of the feature
[27:19] before it was updated and expanded over
[27:20] the months that followed, got to
[27:22] experience their first steps into
[27:24] something truly fresh. We on the classic
[27:26] development team are excited to announce
[27:28] that we're developing classic housing, a
[27:30] return to the six weeks of housing
[27:32] before it was forever changed by
[27:34] Indefatigable experience. [laughter]
[27:38] Yeah. That's funny. In classic
[27:39] [laughter] housing,
[27:41] you'll You'll return to a simpler time
[27:42] with a slower pace. I actually miss that
[27:44] time. Do you? Oh, do
[27:48] And you'll rediscover friends in the
[27:50] neighborhood that you probably haven't
[27:51] seen making a change to their houses in
[27:53] what feels like forever. It's true. I
[27:54] never go back now. Coming summer 2039.
[27:57] We're very busy. Wait, like look,
[28:00] everything's front-loaded this season.
[28:01] You're going to have a lot of time to go
[28:03] back to housing. I promise. You're going
[28:04] to have a a lot of time to go back.
[28:07] Yeah.
[28:08] Coming summer 2039.
[28:11] >> [laughter]
[28:12] >> Wow. This Okay, I would call I I I don't
[28:17] know if I'd call this as like an April
[28:19] Fools' post. I would call this a like a
[28:22] a soul-crushing kind of like existential
[28:26] like just slap in the face. I think they
[28:28] pulled it back at the end there. I
[28:29] thought it I thought it was good at the
[28:30] end. I like that.
[28:33] The guy from The Incredibles with like
[28:34] his face burned out. Like I literally
[28:38] reading this whole thing.
[28:40] Yeah. The The mortgage thing hit too
[28:41] hard.
[28:42] >> thing hit hard
[28:44] All of this All of this hit too hard. I
[28:47] I [laughter]
[28:48] I didn't like it.
[28:49] Okay,
[28:51] thank you. Thank god we don't have to do
[28:53] that segment again for another year.
[28:55] >> [laughter]
[28:57] >> Man, that was a That was a That one was
[29:00] was kind of dark. Um wait, actually
[29:02] here. Let me show you what I look like.
[29:03] Sorry, just cuz I said I look like the
[29:05] dude from The Incredibles.
[29:06] >> Everyone gets it, Evie. Everyone
[29:07] understands the meme. No, no, no, no.
[29:09] You need to understand. I need to
[29:10] illustrate this for you for for the
[29:12] people who are watching. So, yeah, so
[29:15] this is a fun thing. My daughter did
[29:17] some coloring yesterday and um she
[29:19] colored a mermaid and I just
[29:22] want to share with you cuz it kind of
[29:25] captures how I feel.
[29:29] >> [clears throat]
[29:31] [laughter]
[29:35] >> Yeah, that's that's me.
[29:37] >> [laughter]
[29:37] >> Yeah, that's that's pretty much how that
[29:39] April Fools' post made me feel.
[29:42] >> [laughter]
[29:42] >> Definitely.
[29:44] Absolutely. She understood She
[29:45] understood the assignment. She's so
[29:47] She's so cute. I love her but she
[29:49] literally just like [laughter]
[29:51] like really went kind of dark on that
[29:53] one. Yes, very much so.
[29:56] It was it was the it was the scribbling
[29:58] out her eyes that did it. The two gaping
[30:00] maw's. Yeah, yeah.
[30:01] >> [laughter]
[30:03] >> It's so so cute though. I love her.
[30:06] She has a very like strong sense of
[30:08] personal style. I like I like the way
[30:10] she expresses herself.
[30:11] >> Yeah. But that's the thing like that
[30:12] whole RP segment in there
[30:15] >> Yeah. It's like
[30:16] not even low key, high key. RP's would
[30:19] be very much up for that. It's like
[30:21] yeah, give me give me all raid and
[30:22] dungeon instances open and available for
[30:24] RP. That would be that's exactly what I
[30:26] want. Please, yes, thank you, say RP's.
[30:27] Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed the the kind of
[30:30] yeah, the kind of meta commentary going
[30:32] on here about, you know, oh, like we've
[30:35] we've created something for role
[30:37] players. Oh, it's all this stuff that
[30:39] already exists. Haha. But like you know,
[30:42] genuinely it'd be like yeah, that
[30:44] please. The highlighting content for
[30:45] role players only. I was like
[30:48] Yeah.
[30:49] >> [laughter]
[30:52] >> Right, I need to stop talking about this
[30:54] now before I cry.
[30:55] >> Yeah.
[30:55] >> Good, let's move on.
[30:57] So now we are going to move into spoiler
[31:01] territory.
[31:02] >> Here we go.
[31:02] >> Time for the red bot spoiler bot, excuse
[31:03] me. It's here. Here it is.
[31:05] >> Get him back. Because I have played all
[31:08] of this week's
[31:10] campaign quests. I have completed the
[31:13] raid on normal.
[31:15] I unplugged it. Sorry raid team, I'll
[31:16] still be there on Thursday, don't worry.
[31:18] It's not going to take us very long, I
[31:19] promise.
[31:20] And I didn't get any loot, you'll be
[31:23] very happy to know. You got no loot?
[31:25] >> Not a single bean. Mind you, I think the
[31:28] loot from it is pretty bad to be honest.
[31:31] But anyway,
[31:32] we are red bot spoiler botting. I mean
[31:34] it's not a red bot, it's it's a blue
[31:35] bot. Pardon me, it's a blue bot because
[31:37] it's in the game and it's available for
[31:38] everyone to see. No data mining
[31:39] involved. But Yeah, but it's fresh. It's
[31:42] >> fresh. It's very new. I've already seen
[31:44] so many [ __ ] [ __ ] online spoiling
[31:48] it.
[31:49] You know who I'm talking about. They're
[31:52] spoiling it. People love to spoil
[31:54] things.
[31:54] >> They're spoiling it. It's not hard to
[31:55] put a little spoiler in it, is it?
[31:57] >> to spoil something then spoil me, okay?
[32:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a sex thing?
[32:02] Was that like being ruined?
[32:04] >> No, that's like literally just give me
[32:05] gifts. Oh, I see.
[32:08] Our minds going to two very different
[32:10] places there. Yeah, that's that makes
[32:12] sense. So you've also watched the
[32:14] cinematic and you have you have played
[32:17] campaign chapter Oh, can we talk about
[32:19] that first?
[32:20] >> That's how we're going to start. Wait a
[32:22] minute, how was your vault? Oh, I I mean
[32:25] Cuz that's the first thing everyone did,
[32:26] right?
[32:26] >> Yeah, my vault is good. I did, you know,
[32:28] we did some nice keys together. I did a
[32:30] few and eight with you. It was not
[32:32] enough to get me like myth item in my
[32:34] vault but
[32:37] it did give me some stuff. I got a nice
[32:40] hero
[32:41] um
[32:42] I got a hero hat. I got the tier set
[32:45] hat.
[32:46] A hero hat and then I catalyzed one of
[32:48] my hero gloves. So I've got a hero two
[32:51] set.
[32:51] >> Why not catalyze both of them?
[32:54] No, I don't have it. That's the it was
[32:56] already
[32:56] >> I'm making a joke about there being two
[32:57] gloves.
[32:59] Hey, now that's good.
[33:02] >> [laughter]
[33:02] >> Now that's a good joke. You have to you
[33:04] have to catalyze each glove individually
[33:06] from now on.
[33:08] Yeah,
[33:09] yeah, so it so it was it was good. I
[33:10] would say at the level
[33:12] of, you know, my play which I get so I
[33:15] still I still feel, you know, I feel
[33:17] good
[33:18] but wow.
[33:22] You've got two set now. Yeah, yeah, so
[33:24] I've got I've got two set now.
[33:26] Probably easier if you take the slipper
[33:28] off. Yeah, I should have done that.
[33:31] Off of your foot.
[33:32] But
[33:33] yeah, so I've got I've got a two set
[33:35] which is nice and you know, it's yeah,
[33:38] it's okay. Oh, that's cool. Hey, hey,
[33:40] that's all right. Plus eight like
[33:41] Algeth'ar Academy key which I will will
[33:44] people into doing with me. You can
[33:46] easily push up to 10's like easily.
[33:48] >> You know what? I I I think I could. I
[33:50] think it's it's just the step over into
[33:52] having like your two set and then your
[33:54] four set and then just bumping up. Like
[33:56] this is So here's the thing like I
[33:58] typically would have hit this ceiling
[34:00] like a bit earlier in the expansion,
[34:02] right? I would have hit like a kind of
[34:05] oh, I'm raiding with my buds and my DPS
[34:07] is still [ __ ] That would have happened
[34:09] a lot earlier.
[34:10] >> [laughter]
[34:10] >> Or later you mean or
[34:12] >> No, no, no, it would have like I would
[34:13] have I would have felt like frustration
[34:15] earlier but like but because I there
[34:17] have been these nice opportunities to to
[34:20] gear up relatively, I still feel pretty
[34:22] good about it. Anyway. How about you?
[34:24] How was your vault?
[34:25] >> My vault was
[34:27] I joked about it. It was actually quite
[34:28] good. It was it was the decisions that I
[34:30] had to make that was hard cuz
[34:32] I went in with like six heroic slots and
[34:36] three mythic slots. How did you how?
[34:39] Three heroic slots from delves
[34:41] from from doing like you know, just
[34:43] maxing those out. Three heroic slots
[34:46] from raid
[34:47] and
[34:49] and
[34:51] keys for the mythic track.
[34:54] So you know, my hopes are pretty high
[34:56] because I'm I'm dressed in like
[34:57] combination of heroic and champion and
[34:59] some veteran gear at the moment still.
[35:01] Yeah, I know, man. Even though I think I
[35:03] replaced the last bit of veteran because
[35:05] you know, I'm running plus 10 keys which
[35:07] is like heroic items drop from from
[35:11] mythic plus keys, right? So it's like I
[35:13] just keep running mythic plus keys. I'm
[35:15] going to be dressed all in heroic stuff
[35:16] eventually. It's not I don't have to
[35:17] wait for lockouts and stuff like that
[35:19] like you do with raid. You can just and
[35:21] that's one of the reasons like mythic
[35:22] plus gearing is so overpowered. It's
[35:23] like I just need to keep popping plus
[35:26] 10's which are easy and like so easy
[35:29] like right now for me personally in the
[35:31] level I play
[35:33] that it's it's like doing plus four's
[35:36] last season or something. Yeah. And
[35:38] granted 12's and 13's quite tricky and
[35:40] you have to really think about them and
[35:41] really kind of, you know, we failed
[35:43] quite a lot of those but plus 10's like
[35:46] they they they just slip
[35:49] down like a juicy oyster and and you
[35:51] might get heroic gear at the end of it.
[35:53] Well, you wouldn't, someone will
[35:54] and that's cool. Speaking of Sorry,
[35:56] speaking of heroic gear, have you come
[35:58] across the issue of like the same piece
[36:02] of gear dropping like an extremely high
[36:05] amount? It feels again it feels like too
[36:08] early for me to be like I only have two
[36:12] pieces of No, I have three pieces of
[36:14] heroic gear on and one of them is a
[36:17] trinket of which I have received four
[36:19] of.
[36:20] >> The Sylvan Wakku Pakku or whatever. Wow,
[36:23] what? It's literally and it's like it's
[36:25] not good but it's like I literally have
[36:28] received four of them. I can't remember
[36:30] which one it is I can't forget which one
[36:31] it is but it's got like the golden
[36:32] silhouetted person on it and and like
[36:35] it's I think it's healing trinket.
[36:38] I get the same one
[36:40] and it's literally the same thing and
[36:41] it's and so every time I have the chance
[36:44] to get some hero gear
[36:45] it is the same it is the same one. That
[36:47] does suck, man.
[36:49] Yeah. It's not good. Yeah.
[36:51] Boo. Anyway, in my vault Anyway. On my
[36:54] myth track I got some I got a mythic
[36:59] chest and mythic trousers which are both
[37:02] good because you can catalyze those but
[37:04] I had
[37:05] previously catalyzed my heroic chest to
[37:09] get two set. So I didn't want to take a
[37:11] mythic chest which I would then have to
[37:12] catalyze again. Yeah.
[37:14] So if I was going to take anything it
[37:15] was going to be the mythic pants for
[37:17] catalyzing. However, I also got my two
[37:20] best trinkets in heroic level. I got
[37:23] like the dream rift trinket and I got
[37:25] the
[37:27] the kind of the dragon's gaze one. I
[37:29] forget what it's called. The Old No. The
[37:32] Old Seer one is the is the dream rift
[37:33] one.
[37:35] The one with the like the purple dragon
[37:37] yeah yeah.
[37:38] Like yeah, the the mastery one like the
[37:41] grade sort of thing which is great for
[37:43] disc as well in raid. Cool beans. So I
[37:46] was like is it better to take one of my
[37:48] best trinkets in heroic or mythic pants?
[37:51] And I had a conversation about it with
[37:52] my guildies online and I decided to take
[37:54] the mythic pants but I'm not catalyzing
[37:56] them yet although I probably should
[37:57] because there's no point cuz like I'd
[37:59] still only be
[38:00] like three set like Sure. It's not it's
[38:03] kind of a waste to catalyze anything
[38:06] like to give yourself three set. Yeah,
[38:08] save it until it gives you four set,
[38:10] right?
[38:11] So yeah, so that's what I've got. I've
[38:13] got my mythic pants on now. Mythic
[38:16] pants. Of course you got to get the best
[38:17] pants. I've got nothing else to spend my
[38:19] mythic crests on so
[38:20] I might as well spend it on like
[38:22] upgrading my pants all the way.
[38:25] All right, cuz I have my 20 myth crests
[38:27] from
[38:28] >> [laughter]
[38:28] >> Yeah. from that one quest that I just
[38:30] keep getting them to me. And and like I
[38:31] guess I I guess I guess I could I I
[38:33] think the next thing would be to craft
[38:35] myself like a belt with a cool
[38:36] embellishment on it or something. Oh,
[38:39] yeah, you can Oh, of course.
[38:40] >> Yeah, yeah, I'm assuming. I'll look at
[38:42] the guides but that's what I'm assuming
[38:44] like yeah, I craft myself a belt or some
[38:46] [ __ ] like that. Something that you
[38:47] wouldn't catalyze, right?
[38:49] Is is what I'm thinking. I did I tell
[38:51] you that I finally figured out crafting?
[38:53] I finally just like maxed it out. I did
[38:56] it.
[38:57] So you went through a journey last week.
[38:59] A journey that many of us went through
[39:01] in Dragonflight when we first kind of
[39:02] took up the new crafting. Oh, how does
[39:04] this work?
[39:04] >> [laughter]
[39:05] >> [ __ ] that.
[39:09] No, I didn't. I didn't. But yeah, I
[39:12] finally got into crafting properly and
[39:16] uh
[39:17] you know, it's a bit it's a bit opaque,
[39:19] isn't it? It's like a little bit broke
[39:22] and I got really excited and I just
[39:24] started putting like knowledge points
[39:25] into my nodes without really thinking
[39:27] about them and
[39:28] >> Loaded up my nodes. Yeah, and packing it
[39:31] all into my nodes. But you know, now
[39:34] I've I've like I've properly done it.
[39:36] I've properly done all the work. I've
[39:37] done all the research. I don't have like
[39:39] the purple gear that you have to farm
[39:42] done done for like I don't that's I
[39:45] don't need that and yeah exactly.
[39:47] >> I got my shoes, I got my eagle mounts.
[39:49] Yeah.
[39:49] >> I am done. Yeah and done done you're
[39:52] done done. Yeah.
[39:54] And
[39:56] X So I've got yeah
[39:58] so I've got my
[40:00] I've got my
[40:01] I've got my
[40:03] my best marksman crafted my two pieces
[40:08] which are like the boots and the belts.
[40:12] >> Oh is that what they recommend?
[40:13] >> Yeah yeah yeah and those are like best
[40:14] for the rest of you know this season and
[40:18] I've got them up to hero maybe
[40:19] eventually I'll get them up to the myth
[40:21] but like they're there and they're gold
[40:23] and I can do it and I dropped a huge
[40:25] amount of gold on proud belts recipe but
[40:28] it felt really good and like you were
[40:30] saying it feels so good to have a thing
[40:32] with your name in it like your your
[40:33] name's on there. Crafted by me like me
[40:36] by me Like I made myself some good
[40:39] [ __ ] Um I jump in I make myself my
[40:41] staff every tier it's like you know it's
[40:44] a weapon so it's great you want to have
[40:46] like
[40:47] a mythic weapon and that's taken care of
[40:49] then I'm not thinking about weapon drops
[40:51] for the rest of the tier I'm like yeah
[40:52] nice one [ __ ] rocking yeah I love it
[40:55] and I love having a weapon that I have
[40:56] crafted myself it says made by me on
[40:59] And then I just upgrade it every tier.
[41:01] Feels fantastic. Yeah yeah so yeah I
[41:03] yeah I still don't feel like I don't I
[41:05] don't love the crafting system but I you
[41:08] know I've maxed it out to the best of my
[41:10] ability I'm keeping on top of like doing
[41:12] crafting orders accumulating more
[41:14] knowledge point you know
[41:16] yeah I got there I got there in the end.
[41:19] Um but yeah anyway that's like part of
[41:22] my my gearing journey this season.
[41:24] That's good to know thank you
[41:26] really interesting really good. So
[41:29] After we've done that after we've done
[41:31] I forgot to like pick up any quests or
[41:32] anything like that cuz I went straight
[41:34] to the campaign quest which is you know
[41:37] marching on caldanas right? Um and it
[41:39] takes a form this entire thing well for
[41:41] start first of all when I got there I
[41:43] stood by the kind of the table in the
[41:46] center of light for a bit getting
[41:48] footage of like all the leaders standing
[41:50] around the table cuz it's really cool
[41:51] you've got shandris there and you've got
[41:54] umbreck there and you've got who's the
[41:56] other alliance one oh valera there. Um
[42:00] Valera or verisa?
[42:02] Which the windrunner sister valera? Yeah
[42:04] windrunner valera there so they're
[42:06] representing the whole alliance and then
[42:08] on the other side you've got
[42:10] like
[42:11] lorthamar and thalysra and they're
[42:12] standing really close together. I like
[42:14] that I thought that was really good
[42:17] you got halderon you've got
[42:20] liadrin and all the rest of them and
[42:22] it's it's great I I love that [ __ ] and
[42:25] it was it was nice I got lots of footage
[42:26] of that oh and arator. Of course arator.
[42:28] >> But is arator allowed to be at that
[42:30] table for some [ __ ] He thinks he's
[42:33] better than himself man. Why is he
[42:34] allowed to be at that table? He's not
[42:37] he's not a factional racial leader why
[42:40] is he there? He's just some [ __ ] No.
[42:43] It's like we here we are at THE TABLE
[42:45] ALL OF THE ALL OF US ALL of the leaders
[42:49] of all the races and this [ __ ] [ __ ]
[42:51] why?
[42:52] Why?
[42:54] All he does is tell them they're [ __ ]
[42:56] wrong.
[42:57] Are you seriously telling me that they'd
[42:58] be like oh not this guy get rid of this
[43:01] guy all he does is [ __ ] tell us we're
[43:04] wrong he's absolutely an alpha baby. And
[43:07] he'll always deny it he'll be like oh no
[43:09] it was so hard oh it was so hard having
[43:11] two legends
[43:13] of the alliance to I was so you
[43:15] understand the pressure I've been under
[43:17] I got you a seat at the table though
[43:18] didn't it arator? He's a storytelling
[43:21] device he's very important. Why is he at
[43:24] the table?
[43:25] >> He's very important.
[43:26] >> I only just got invited to [ __ ] al
[43:28] cantina two weeks ago. [laughter]
[43:32] I still like him. No one knows who my
[43:34] mom and dad are.
[43:36] >> [laughter]
[43:38] >> I still dig him. Um yeah okay
[43:40] so yeah anyway arator's got an amazing
[43:42] plan everyone and we all have to listen
[43:44] to him and his plan is we're going to
[43:45] attack the bridge and go to caldanas so
[43:47] that's what we do. Caldanas. Caldanas
[43:50] and so it's one of those things I it's
[43:53] one of my favorite types of wow quests
[43:54] if I'm completely honest.
[43:56] Oh I love it like you know it's like are
[43:58] you ready to launch this scenario I'm
[43:59] like hell yeah I'm ready for a scenario.
[44:02] It's so good and all the soldiers are
[44:03] there and they're all lined up and
[44:04] they're all like woah and the ancients
[44:06] are there and like there's like a
[44:08] million high elves on dragons and [ __ ]
[44:11] it's like yeah I loved going through
[44:13] that bit and I loved spoiler season
[44:15] obviously I loved going through that bit
[44:17] and seeing like I went and I checked on
[44:20] all of the the little groups of people
[44:22] I'm like okay I've got the fire striders
[44:24] here I've got some nightborne here I've
[44:27] got the kaldorei here I've got you know
[44:30] everyone is like everyone's assembled
[44:32] everyone looks amazing. Yeah. All of the
[44:34] elves are like in their finest elven
[44:36] garb and all the different elf flavors
[44:38] and as an elf like yeah I was like heck
[44:42] this is good this is lovely
[44:44] I I really I really enjoyed that I loved
[44:47] having like the ancients there and yeah
[44:48] they they we start the assault on like
[44:51] crossing the bridge and I love how
[44:52] there's kind of you know there's a
[44:54] there's a focus and you push forward and
[44:56] you kind of defeat a bunch of people in
[44:58] the first bit and then you keep going
[44:59] forward and and you know your strategy
[45:02] changes I loved having I loved running
[45:05] through and having
[45:07] you know like liadrin just like smiting
[45:10] people like Yeah. I'm approaching a
[45:12] bunch and I'm like ready to like pop
[45:13] cool down or something and she's just
[45:15] like
[45:16] and destroys everyone I'm like Yeah. Man
[45:18] you just kind of threw off my rotation I
[45:19] I I I exactly I do that I'm
[45:20] >> [laughter]
[45:21] >> I'm running up and I'm like using using
[45:23] the the extra action button which is
[45:25] like a super attack that they've given
[45:26] me I'll get rid of that mob that group
[45:28] of mob there but I didn't notice
[45:29] umbreck's in there as well and before
[45:31] and I I I cast the thing and before it
[45:33] can land and kill them all umbreck's
[45:34] like I'll take care of these guys with
[45:36] my voidy dicks. Yeah.
[45:39] Oh
[45:39] oh oh oh
[45:40] >> just voidy dicks them all and they're
[45:41] all dead and they're all like The void
[45:42] submits to me and I was like
[45:45] Like and
[45:46] this is spoilery guys this is going to
[45:48] be spoilery pretty much until we until
[45:50] we get to super chat thing. That one
[45:51] that one cracked me up because yeah
[45:53] spoilers for the rest of the episode
[45:54] basically and that one cracked me up
[45:56] because you know you're when you're
[45:57] running through they're they're kind of
[45:58] visible but that was there was just a
[46:00] group of mobs on the dock and you're
[46:01] like that one's for me to get and then
[46:03] umbreck's like no no no.
[46:07] >> [laughter]
[46:07] >> Okay. But I do like I loved all the like
[46:10] defending the docks I thought that was
[46:11] really cool
[46:12] and then
[46:14] when they were like the skies are clear
[46:16] and I ran halfway back before realizing
[46:18] I could fly now.
[46:18] >> No no no I it's I was annoyed but okay
[46:22] so there's a little cinematic plays and
[46:24] and arator goes the skies are clear. And
[46:28] then the cinematic ends you're back and
[46:31] arator you know character box pops up
[46:33] the skies are clear fly back to me and
[46:36] and and you know let's do the next step
[46:38] and I'm like dude you just said the
[46:40] skies are clear how many times do you
[46:42] have to tell a wow player that you can
[46:44] fly you literally just cleared the skies
[46:47] you said it twice and then you said the
[46:49] words fly back to me. Who's going to
[46:51] miss this [ __ ] apparently you did. Me me
[46:54] well no no cuz I I was like you know I
[46:57] was I was running along I was like oh
[46:58] did he mean I could fly and yeah
[47:01] but I did I didn't miss it I was just a
[47:02] bit slow on the uptake that's all.
[47:05] He's like fly to me you know literally
[47:08] get on your mount. Yeah
[47:11] a lot of people in the chat did not
[47:12] understand
[47:13] a lot of people in the chat ran all the
[47:15] way back to that [ __ ] bridge.
[47:18] >> [laughter]
[47:21] >> Um so this campaign chapter that we're
[47:23] talking about right now is available to
[47:24] everyone
[47:26] the raid isn't open till
[47:27] on story mode now the far until next
[47:30] week. Mhm. Um isn't that right so yeah
[47:33] then you get to the bridge. Yeah and you
[47:35] keep you keep pushing forward on on on
[47:37] the bridge
[47:39] and
[47:39] >> that bit by the way I thought that was
[47:41] really really cool because it was you
[47:43] and lorthamar and liadrin and arator.
[47:47] And umbreck. And umbreck and like
[47:49] it was like you would you guys were just
[47:51] kicking ass together it was actually
[47:53] really good.
[47:53] >> Yeah. And like that first kind of when
[47:55] the first kind of it was a bit like in
[47:57] phantom menace that bit that ruins the
[48:00] like how everyone talks about the
[48:02] lightsaber duel in phantom menace is
[48:03] really good when they're trying to
[48:04] defend that [ __ ] awful movie
[48:06] and you go no the YouTube compilation of
[48:11] like the lightsaber duel in phantom
[48:13] menace is really good cuz it cuts out
[48:14] all the [ __ ] cutaways and [ __ ] that
[48:17] breaks up that fight scene you know like
[48:20] and it's also like oh we're making one
[48:21] of the best lightsaber duels of all time
[48:24] but what we'll do is just for a joke in
[48:26] the middle of that lightsaber duel we'll
[48:28] put them in a weird corridor that has
[48:30] like doors opening and closing so they
[48:32] have to stop fighting they have to stop
[48:34] doing the fun thing so we have time to
[48:36] cut back to the really [ __ ] CGI battle
[48:38] that's happening elsewhere it's like no
[48:40] when you watch the movie the lightsaber
[48:41] duel [ __ ] sucks it's good when you
[48:44] put it all together like it should be in
[48:45] the film and put it on YouTube anyway.
[48:48] Anyway. That's what that's what the
[48:49] bridge reminded me of was that little
[48:51] kind of corridor with the funny doors in
[48:52] it and they open up one at a time and
[48:55] that first wave of baddies that came
[48:57] through I don't know when you're when
[48:59] you're with NPCs you expect them not to
[49:01] really do much
[49:03] and they were like they were just
[49:04] joining in with you and it was like boom
[49:05] boom boom and they didn't do anything
[49:06] special either they were JUST LIKE YEAH
[49:08] [ __ ] IT LET'S GO. It was really cool and
[49:10] I loved it I thought it was good it was
[49:11] really neat that was really really fun
[49:14] and of course zalatath is kind of
[49:15] taunting you and arator she's taunting
[49:17] arator along the way. Yeah like
[49:22] So
[49:23] arator really really really needs to
[49:25] work on his comeback game because
[49:28] like
[49:29] every time like
[49:31] zalatath would pop up and she'd be like
[49:33] arator you're a piece of [ __ ] [ __ ]
[49:37] Yes, suck and everyone hates you. I
[49:41] don't even care about you. And then I'll
[49:43] be like, "Whoa, what's Arator going to
[49:45] say? What's he going to do?" And Arator
[49:46] is like, "Oh, yeah? Well,
[49:51] I know you are, but what am I?"
[49:54] And you're like, "Arator, dude, this is
[49:56] so [ __ ] cringe."
[49:58] Oh, he sucks so bad. Like, the only one
[50:00] burning here is you. Yeah.
[50:03] His first comeback was pretty good. His
[50:05] first comeback was something like, "No,
[50:07] we will vanquish you this day,
[50:09] Xal'atath. I swear it on my father's
[50:12] shield." And I thought, okay, he was
[50:14] proven to be wrong. We didn't actually
[50:15] vanquish her. But, like, I liked the
[50:17] line. I thought the line was pretty
[50:18] good. But then after that, they were
[50:20] they were bad. They were bad comebacks.
[50:22] She was like She was like, "Are you Oh,
[50:24] oh, poor little boy. Are you going to
[50:26] burn up again and burn all your friends
[50:28] with the wrath of the light?" And he's
[50:29] like, "Duh, duh, duh. The only one who's
[50:33] going to burn, uh Zally,
[50:37] is you."
[50:38] >> He's like me trying to Yeah, he's like
[50:39] me trying to do smack talk. And he's 40
[50:42] years old.
[50:43] >> Yeah, he's just very He's like very
[50:45] earnest and serious. It suits him. He
[50:48] was They were weak weak comebacks. Do
[50:50] you know why? Cuz he shouldn't be Why is
[50:53] he there?
[50:54] >> one line that he said that was good.
[50:55] There was one line that HE SAID THAT WAS
[50:56] GOOD. THERE was one line that he said
[50:57] that was good. There was one line that
[50:57] he said that was good. There was one
[50:58] line that he said that was good. There
[50:59] was one line that he All you All you
[51:01] managed to do was unite the elves or
[51:03] something. Like, I can't remember the
[51:05] exact line, but it was All you succeeded
[51:06] to do is unite us.
[51:08] >> Yeah, and I'm like, yeah. That's pretty
[51:10] good.
[51:11] I guess. I like that one. Yeah, okay.
[51:13] >> Yeah.
[51:15] Uh He's had that shield line saved up
[51:17] like all expansion, and he blew it. And
[51:18] it was good. It was good. It worked, but
[51:20] he should have had some others lined up
[51:21] as well.
[51:21] >> Yeah. He didn't He did not prepare his
[51:23] comeback game in this patch.
[51:24] >> not, and that's fine. He's He's He's
[51:26] just He's just doing the the
[51:27] >> [laughter]
[51:27] >> Yeah.
[51:28] He's bless him. He's doing his best.
[51:30] >> But I like the fighting. I thought the
[51:32] fighting was really good. And then the
[51:33] little cutscene that plays at the end of
[51:35] the bridge, where you see all of the
[51:36] elves doing their [ __ ] right? And then
[51:38] they're like,
[51:39] "OH, I LOVE THAT SHIT." AND THEN THEY'RE
[51:41] LIKE, "OH, I LOVE THAT SHIT." AND THEN
[51:41] they're like, gives you the kind of
[51:43] feels. And I was sitting here and
[51:45] Thalyssra was doing it, and he was like,
[51:47] "Oh yeah."
[51:48] >> Yeah, I was loving that [ __ ] I was like
[51:50] I was kind of cheering along. It was It
[51:52] felt really good. It felt really
[51:53] impactful. I I really enjoyed I really
[51:56] enjoyed the scenario. I thought it was
[51:58] good.
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[52:08] I I I I I I I I I I I That [ __ ]
[52:10] rules. And you know why I love that?
[52:11] I've written this in a video before, but
[52:13] I love that because of that scene just
[52:16] before the second Siege of Orgrimmar in
[52:18] BFA. It was the end of BFA just before
[52:20] the Mag'har, where like Thalyssra is
[52:24] talking to Jaina, and she's like, "Yo,
[52:27] that [ __ ] you did at the beginning of
[52:28] the expansion in the Battle of
[52:29] Lordaeron. I know we're on different
[52:31] sides, right? But, that floating ship
[52:33] with the like the magic cannons, how the
[52:36] [ __ ] did you do that?" And And Jaina's
[52:38] like, "Maybe I'll tell you."
[52:40] Even though like you're a Horde and I'm
[52:41] Alliance, so probably shouldn't. But,
[52:43] and you know, this is like
[52:45] We've proved this expansion that we're
[52:46] always at war anyway. And And it's cool
[52:48] that she did learn how to do it. She
[52:50] did.
[52:50] >> rocks up with her arcane cannons. I just
[52:52] think that's so cool. It's such a great
[52:54] little kind of throwback. I love that. I
[52:55] think that's really funny.
[52:56] >> really cool. But then
[52:58] Yeah. And then And then you're like,
[53:01] "Wait, wait, you know, then arrows or
[53:03] something come flying your way or
[53:05] whatever." And suddenly there's Zul'jara
[53:08] rocking up with the trolls.
[53:10] >> I love that [ __ ]
[53:11] >> And her line is so good. She's like,
[53:13] "You think I could resist an opportunity
[53:15] to raid Silvermoon?" And I'm like,
[53:17] >> [laughter]
[53:17] >> "That's a great line."
[53:19] Oh,
[53:21] that that literally made me go like,
[53:23] "Well done." That was so good. And then
[53:26] of course, because the trolls are there,
[53:28] the Harbingers come too.
[53:29] >> Yeah. And you're like,
[53:30] >> Mind you, like, You say come too, that's
[53:32] cool. So So Zul'jara basically turns up
[53:34] by herself. She's got like it's her and
[53:35] some friends. It's like her and some
[53:36] friends.
[53:37] She's literally like on a [ __ ] raft.
[53:40] She's like, "Okay,
[53:41] uh me and we just going to raid." And
[53:43] it's like, "Okay, I guess. Thanks."
[53:45] Yeah. She's like, "I could not resist."
[53:48] Yeah, it was Yeah, it was She was cool.
[53:50] [laughter]
[53:51] Yeah. Um And yeah, the Harbingers
[53:52] turning up was fun as well. I liked that
[53:53] [ __ ]
[53:54] I like I like I love the bit if they do
[53:58] it, which they don't always, but I like
[53:59] it when, you know, you're doing the
[54:01] fight at the end of the opening patch,
[54:02] and all the allies you made turn up and
[54:05] help. And that's
[54:06] That's what it's all about, right?
[54:07] Absolutely.
[54:08] >> Yeah. I'm glad the Dominar didn't turn
[54:10] up, cuz they suck. Well, that would be
[54:13] That would be confusing.
[54:14] >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[54:15] >> [laughter]
[54:16] >> I'm like, "Are we even fighting you
[54:18] Yeah, yeah. Um Yeah, I thought that was
[54:21] That was a very very cool uh scenario.
[54:23] Really cool cinematic. And I love Yeah,
[54:26] I love how it wraps up. And then of
[54:28] course And then, you know, you're so
[54:29] pumped. You're hyped. Everyone is there.
[54:31] They They They like We've reached kind
[54:33] of the gates. We're ready to go. Wait,
[54:35] wait, wait, wait. Do you think
[54:37] Do you think Arator was silently
[54:39] seething when the trolls and the
[54:41] Harbingers turned up? Cuz he was like,
[54:43] "I said elves only."
[54:46] "I This
[54:48] This was supposed to be an elf thing. It
[54:50] was my plan,
[54:51] >> [laughter]
[54:51] >> and I said,
[54:53] it's an elf thing, okay?
[54:55] So,
[54:57] by my father's shield,
[55:00] I SWEAR TO GOD."
[55:01] >> OKAY, GUYS, um I
[55:04] uh But to be fair, thing.
[55:05] >> He did specify in the email it was elves
[55:07] only. It was very clear.
[55:10] Very clear it was going to be elves.
[55:12] >> They're kind of, you know, they're elves
[55:14] way back when, right? Like, they they
[55:16] are
[55:17] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.
[55:19] >> Pre-said Pre- What Whatever the opposite
[55:20] of of descendants They're They're
[55:23] They're elves like adjacent, I guess.
[55:25] They're kind of like Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
[55:27] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:28] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:29] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:30] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:31] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:31] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:32] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[55:33] I I I I I I I I I I I It was so good. I
[55:34] got so pumped. I was at the end. We were
[55:36] at the We're there. We We finished.
[55:37] Everyone's ready, and we're like, "Okay,
[55:39] but now we just have to do this final
[55:40] push."
[55:42] Raid will open in story mode next week.
[55:44] And I was like, "Are you serious?" Why
[55:47] do they do that? Yeah, no. That is very
[55:49] very dumb.
[55:50] >> Why do they do that? What
[55:51] benefit does that Okay, it keeps X
[55:54] number of casual players playing for
[55:57] another week.
[55:58] Yeah.
[55:58] >> Why do you have to do that?
[56:00] >> I I've always defended I've always
[56:01] defended like Blizzard's kind of roll
[56:04] out of LFR and story mode.
[56:06] But in this occasion, I
[56:08] I think it's like a massive [ __ ] I
[56:11] think like with Silvermoon being in so
[56:14] many different phases as the story kind
[56:17] of like You got your opening phase.
[56:19] What? You've technically got your
[56:20] opening phase, which is during the
[56:21] opening scenario. Then you got another
[56:23] phase after the opening scenario, where
[56:25] the skybox is different again. And then
[56:27] you've got
[56:28] after the
[56:29] Void Spire, where
[56:31] the void the skybox is different again.
[56:33] And spoiler, the skybox changes again
[56:36] after March of Quel'Thalas raid.
[56:37] Quel'Thalas.
[56:39] You got four different skyboxes to get
[56:41] through there, and four different like
[56:43] phases of the city. And And like story
[56:46] mode you know, and I love what splitting
[56:48] these raids up has done for the story
[56:50] and for the unfolding of events.
[56:52] >> I really enjoyed the raid roll out. I
[56:53] think it's very cool. I really enjoy
[56:56] playing this way. I like it.
[56:57] >> But,
[56:58] it's insane to me that story mode isn't
[57:00] included in that. Because who cares?
[57:03] Exactly. Who Who Who really wants the
[57:05] cinematics? The people who want to watch
[57:07] the story.
[57:08] >> Precisely. So, look, Like who Like not
[57:10] the hardcore
[57:10] >> I I need to see that [ __ ] because of my
[57:12] job, right? Cuz I don't want to just
[57:13] like take the video off of Wowhead and
[57:15] do my do my analysis that way. Like, I
[57:17] want the context of all the quests and
[57:19] like the things that happen directly
[57:21] afterwards and things like that. I think
[57:22] that's really really important, rather
[57:23] than it just being a reaction or
[57:24] something like that. So, what do I do?
[57:27] I'm forced to go in there and pug it
[57:29] this morning. Um
[57:31] And I'd rather do it with my raid team.
[57:33] But if it was open in story mode, I
[57:35] could go in. I could see the story. I
[57:37] could get everything I need. Um And this
[57:39] is how other players feel as well, I'm
[57:40] sure. Um And then And then I could enjoy
[57:42] going and like doing it at higher level
[57:44] with my with my raid team.
[57:45] >> anything, when you do it in story mode,
[57:47] you can focus on the story if you like.
[57:49] You can You can get the story. Um Which
[57:53] again, even just doing like normal Void
[57:55] Spire, there are bits that We were We
[57:58] were kind of just mopping through it.
[57:59] Like, and that you know, when we got to
[58:02] the Lightbound freaks, who, you know, we
[58:05] have to
[58:06] >> Blinded Vanguard. The Light Blinded
[58:07] Vanguard, yeah. Exactly. That's what I
[58:09] said. And um
[58:11] when we get to them, who I love, like,
[58:14] it wasn't immediately clear why they,
[58:18] you know, people in the I mean, people
[58:19] in the guild were like, "When Why When
[58:22] did that happen?" And so I was like,
[58:23] "Oh, well, in the last fight, you Did
[58:24] you not see that they were kind of going
[58:26] like crazy?" It's like, "No. No, we
[58:28] didn't, cuz we were just kind of
[58:29] focusing on And chatting with your
[58:31] buddies. And chatting, and you know, I
[58:33] really believe there could be some kind
[58:35] of like wider story mode. And again,
[58:38] story It's called story mode. Like, just
[58:40] take me through the whole story, even of
[58:42] the raid, not just the last boss.
[58:44] >> And I There I have never met a single
[58:46] person who's raided in their raid team
[58:48] who's noticed that
[58:51] at the end of the like
[58:53] Blinded Vanguard fight, Alleria jumps
[58:55] into the portal by herself going after
[58:57] Xal'atath. No one sees that, because
[58:59] they are looting. They're going through
[59:01] the loot.
[59:01] >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[59:02] >> And they're going like, "Oh, what's
[59:03] dropped? Do I I need on that? I'm going
[59:05] to roll on that." And like, in the
[59:06] meantime, like, Alleria's jumped up into
[59:09] the portal. And so there's always been
[59:11] this thing of like And it's happened
[59:13] every time I've done this raid with with
[59:15] guildies I'm pugging. You go up to the
[59:17] final platform, and Alleria's there
[59:18] like,
[59:19] >> [snorts]
[59:19] >> Yeah. Like, um getting choked out by
[59:21] Xal'atath. And And yeah. And you're
[59:24] like, "Oh, huh. Wait, how did she get up
[59:26] here?"
[59:27] It made me think of that time
[59:30] >> [laughter]
[59:32] >> You just think It's just my I would just
[59:34] I just had fun memories of Astalor Chulk
[59:36] and the in his basement, you know?
[59:39] I was like, "That's a nice throwback."
[59:41] To when Astalor was like
[59:43] >> [laughter]
[59:43] >> Daddy Soul. Yeah. Um yeah, well, me too.
[59:47] Um but like yeah, and and so every time
[59:49] I do that raid, people are like, "Wait,
[59:51] was she here though? Did she get When
[59:52] did she get captured? I don't
[59:53] understand." It's like it's you miss
[59:55] like the important kind of like story
[59:57] bit at the end of like
[59:58] >> I agree completely. I feel like it's
[59:59] still a disjunction. I love that story
[60:01] mode exists. I feel like there's still a
[60:03] little some bumps in how story is
[60:06] conveyed and told kind of through when
[60:08] story mode is implemented, when you can
[60:10] access it, the way it's you know, it's
[60:13] still I'm still not getting a whole
[60:16] neat overview, which I would like. I get
[60:18] it. Blizzard want to and you know, in in
[60:21] many ways I kind of agree with them cuz
[60:23] I I believe that like raiding is the
[60:25] most aspirational part of the game and I
[60:27] think that's good. I think it's good
[60:28] that wow has aspirational content and
[60:30] raid is like amazing aspirational
[60:32] content. Like I only started raiding at
[60:34] the end of Warlords
[60:36] and but before that I didn't look at
[60:39] raiding and go, "Ooh, damn, that thing
[60:41] keeps me out." I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I
[60:43] don't think I'll ever be able to do it,
[60:44] but it would be so cool to go into
[60:46] raids, right? It would be so good to see
[60:49] all that stuff and the story and like
[60:51] you know, be with all those people and
[60:53] see all the spell effects go off and
[60:54] fight these big bosses and [ __ ] and like
[60:56] oh my god, I'll never be able to do it,
[60:57] but like one day it would be cool if I
[60:59] could."
[61:00] >> Yeah. Um and I I that you know, that was
[61:01] something that kind of stuck with me all
[61:03] the way through the game until I did
[61:04] start raiding. And I I get that Blizzard
[61:06] want to kind of preserve some kind of
[61:09] aspirational content in the game. I
[61:10] think I think that's a good thing and
[61:13] you know, it's like, "Well, the people
[61:14] who do who do raid raid they should be
[61:18] able to see it first and it should feel
[61:20] special to them when they go in there
[61:21] and it's like, "Oh, I'm doing
[61:22] something." Cuz that was always one of
[61:24] the things about raiding and it was that
[61:26] thing of like, "Oh my god, you you you
[61:27] actually saw the Lich King get Were you
[61:30] there?" And my god, I need I'd love to
[61:32] be able to see that. And it's like I get
[61:34] that they want to preserve an element of
[61:35] that, but they don't. It's failing. It's
[61:37] not happening cuz you're just going in
[61:39] in stupid little pugs and like you feel
[61:41] bad you're still not doing it with your
[61:42] raid team and like open the story mode.
[61:46] You know, it's fine. Like
[61:48] do the story mode as the raid opens. Let
[61:51] people who want to see the story go in
[61:52] there and see the story and and this is
[61:55] the first time I've been on this side of
[61:56] the argument, by the way. I've always
[61:58] been like, "I think it's fine the story
[62:00] mode comes out a little bit later." But
[62:02] in in this one with there being so many
[62:04] steps of the story, which I think is
[62:05] brilliant because of the raid roll out
[62:07] and I love that and because I am someone
[62:09] that can go in and complete normal raid
[62:11] in the first week, you know, I've been
[62:13] able to enjoy it like I'm supposed to.
[62:15] But people who can't, it must be really
[62:17] frustrating and annoying and maybe even
[62:20] quite anxious and quite you know, if
[62:22] it's something you care about and and
[62:23] you don't want to get spoiled and stuff
[62:25] and like just open the open the damn
[62:27] story mode, man. Yeah. I'm with you.
[62:29] Yeah. One thing that I do like
[62:31] storytelling-wise is how the delves kind
[62:33] of fit into things. Like we got
[62:35] Parhelion Plaza, the Parhelion Plaza
[62:38] delve, which I did right away cuz I was
[62:40] there and I couldn't do the raid.
[62:43] You know what I mean? I'm like, "Well,
[62:44] here here I am."
[62:45] >> Yeah, yeah. I guess I you know, and like
[62:48] many other people, I flew to the door
[62:52] which did not have a swirly delve
[62:54] entrance.
[62:54] >> I I went and then I laughed at you but
[62:56] then I went there later. Of course you
[62:58] did. I What I'm going to do after this
[63:00] after this
[63:02] I'm going to go back to that door and
[63:05] I'm going to I'm going to film it. I'm
[63:07] going to like screen capture it and I'm
[63:08] going to just stand there and I'm going
[63:10] to leave it on for 24 hours and it's
[63:11] going to be like one of those nature
[63:12] documentaries. You know, when they leave
[63:14] like some food out or they leave like a
[63:15] pretend female pigeon out and see all
[63:17] the other pigeons coming and [ __ ] it or
[63:18] something. Like and like it's going to
[63:20] it's going to be like I'll speed it up
[63:21] and you're going to see people coming to
[63:22] the door and [ __ ] off again. They're
[63:23] coming to the door and [ __ ] off
[63:24] again.
[63:25] It's going to be like I did that. I
[63:25] stood there for a bit. I watched other
[63:27] people stand there and go
[63:29] you know, and like it was
[63:30] >> [laughter]
[63:31] >> it was cute. And then yeah, of course
[63:32] the entrance is like in and you go down.
[63:34] But I like
[63:35] I I enjoyed that delve cuz I like how
[63:38] it's literally just that bit of
[63:41] Quel'Danas.
[63:43] And Oh, sure. Like in the intro
[63:45] scenario.
[63:45] >> in the intro scenario. You're just I
[63:47] haven't done that one yet. It's really
[63:47] cool. You're just there and you're
[63:49] fighting void guys and you're putting up
[63:51] arcane bullwarks.
[63:52] >> Cool. Bull bullwark I don't know how to
[63:54] pronounce it.
[63:54] >> Bullwarks. Bull bullwark.
[63:56] >> Arcane bullwark. Arcane bullwarks. Yeah,
[63:58] exactly. Yeah. So um
[64:00] >> [laughter]
[64:02] >> Uh I really I really enjoyed that. I
[64:04] thought that was um
[64:06] that was fun and that kind of scratched
[64:08] the itch a little bit for me since I
[64:10] couldn't actually just go in and do the
[64:11] raid. And it was only like an hour until
[64:13] podcast. I'm like, "I cannot
[64:14] >> could get you could do the raid.
[64:15] >> pug it in the raid. Well, I'm going to
[64:16] have to pug it in the story mode. My
[64:17] gear is stacked, obviously. I'm like 268
[64:20] or something. So I get and I'm a healer,
[64:22] so I get accepted into any [ __ ] pug.
[64:23] >> you did. Yeah. Um today Today.
[64:26] >> But only today because like otherwise
[64:28] you're going to need to have the
[64:29] achieve. I I agree. So I'll pug it today
[64:32] um which is a shame cuz our guild's like
[64:35] casual runs are on Tuesday. I can't wait
[64:37] until I can't wait until Tuesday.
[64:39] >> [laughter]
[64:41] >> Anyway. Yeah, and it's great that there
[64:43] is so much story in the raid. It's great
[64:44] that they have all these different like
[64:46] stages of the story and I think I've I
[64:48] think the story has been great in this
[64:50] opening patch. I think that like I can I
[64:52] can say Well, there's still another
[64:53] chapter to go. But this opening patch of
[64:55] Midnight has been brilliant. I like it.
[64:57] It's What a great expansion. What a
[64:58] fantastic time. I've had such a good
[65:00] time, actually. I think there's been
[65:02] there's been loads of fun storytelling.
[65:05] There's been I there's been enough time
[65:07] for me to kind of complete the campaign
[65:10] like
[65:11] like stories and really get a feel for
[65:13] each zone and really kind of fall in
[65:14] love with all of them. Yeah, and then
[65:16] the kind of the gradual roll out with
[65:18] the raids attached. It has felt special
[65:20] and meaningful and then like yeah.
[65:21] >> cool. It has felt really good. I really
[65:25] like how they've they've split up the
[65:26] raids, actually, cuz I wasn't sure how
[65:28] that was going to feel.
[65:30] Um I'm not sure how the like you know,
[65:33] the the world first raiders are feeling.
[65:35] My understanding is that there's you
[65:36] know, there's a bit of downtime here and
[65:37] there.
[65:39] Well, now now they're in there and it's
[65:41] like
[65:42] >> now they're back in.
[65:43] But you know,
[65:45] you know, I follow I yeah on Instagram
[65:46] and she's like she's just pumping the
[65:48] like Oh my god, my heart goes out to
[65:52] those poor poor casters. Every time I
[65:55] turn on What? Not today cuz they're
[65:57] like, "Oh my god, actually some some
[65:58] raiding to talk about." But like this
[66:00] whole past week, every time I switched
[66:02] on, it's like especially poor Cruella is
[66:04] there. Cruella's there like that. And
[66:07] like generally people are like
[66:09] trying to keep it friendly and like
[66:11] trying to keep it high energy and but
[66:13] they're flagging and Cruella does not
[66:15] give a [ __ ] Cruella's all like that.
[66:17] What the [ __ ]
[66:19] >> [laughter]
[66:19] >> What am I doing here? What what am I
[66:21] doing here? That is that's not a very
[66:23] good French accent. Uh
[66:26] take it up with Cruella cuz it sounds
[66:27] exactly like her voice. Uh but yeah, so
[66:29] I I and and and but yeah, I'm watching
[66:31] kind of I know's videos and she's like,
[66:32] "A day in the life of casting and doing
[66:35] stuff you know, with with Team Liquid
[66:37] and it's like we've had a bit of
[66:39] downtime. So we've had to come up with
[66:42] entertaining segments." I know. It's
[66:44] like oh Oh god. Oh no. Oh no.
[66:47] It's like the weekly reset, you know.
[66:48] You can't talk about the weekly reset.
[66:49] [laughter]
[66:50] It's not easy.
[66:51] But yeah, so uh you know, maybe not
[66:53] ideal for like that specific scenario,
[66:56] but for me as a player, I really really
[66:59] enjoyed this roll out with the raids. I
[67:01] think it's been great.
[67:02] Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. So is it
[67:04] time
[67:06] Is it time to talk
[67:07] >> Uh well, okay. Um I'm just going to have
[67:08] to write something
[67:10] uh
[67:11] Oh, very good. So now
[67:14] it is it is time to discuss
[67:17] the cinematic that comes at the end
[67:20] of the March on Quel'Danas because it
[67:22] has
[67:24] it has I pugged it. I went in there. I I
[67:28] actually watched a couple of videos with
[67:31] like tactics as well because I don't
[67:32] want to let anyone down in a pug. So I
[67:34] went in there and my raid team and it
[67:35] was [ __ ] So I I I went in there and
[67:39] it's a
[67:40] it's a fun little raid, I've got to say.
[67:42] I mean, it was so easy. Like so easy on
[67:45] normal. But of course it would be cuz
[67:46] I'm heroic geared. Like I've just I've
[67:48] just come off a week of doing like plus
[67:49] 10s and 11s and mythic plus. Of course
[67:51] I'm like very geared.
[67:53] Um and so we brute forced our way
[67:55] through the two bosses. Each boss took
[67:57] two pulls. The Phoenix boss is great.
[68:00] Oh, I'm really looking forward to doing
[68:02] that on heroic
[68:03] and and indeed mythic maybe at some
[68:05] point as well because like I mean, I've
[68:07] been saying this for months now, but I I
[68:08] think I'm being proven right.
[68:10] If Immortalis Argent Dawn EU was ever
[68:12] going to get cutting edge, this is the
[68:14] [ __ ] tier.
[68:15] >> [laughter]
[68:16] >> Like
[68:17] I was like look, with how simple the
[68:19] classes are, how simple the mechanics
[68:21] are going to be because everyone's like
[68:23] everyone at Blizzard is [ __ ]
[68:24] themselves that everyone's going to be
[68:25] so upset that they can't use their weak
[68:27] auras that they've they've scaled stuff
[68:28] back and they've gone a little bit too
[68:29] far with class simplicity and with
[68:31] mechanics and and tuning, I think.
[68:34] But I think they've done that on
[68:35] purpose. I think it's a thing of like
[68:37] better to scale it back too far than not
[68:38] enough and have people be like, "See, I
[68:40] told you it was impossible without
[68:41] add-ons." Like
[68:43] so I you know, hopefully fingers crossed
[68:47] the proof of the pudding will be in
[68:49] point one where hopefully they'll start
[68:52] bringing back some some more complexity
[68:54] to the classes and to the to the fights
[68:55] and stuff like that. But okay, you know,
[68:57] exactly. But I It's a good starting
[68:58] point. I think it was a good cool for me
[69:00] months ago to say this was the season to
[69:03] get cutting edge if you you haven't done
[69:04] it before and you want to like like our
[69:05] raid team.
[69:07] So we went in and the Phoenix boss is
[69:08] really good. It's like
[69:10] your whole raid team gets turned into
[69:12] either void or light and then all the
[69:14] mechanics that drop are either void
[69:16] mechanics or light mechanics and it's
[69:18] like the light people want to deal with
[69:19] the light mechanics and the void people
[69:20] want to deal with the void mechanics and
[69:22] it's fun. It's just good. And then and
[69:23] then there's a bit where you swap and
[69:25] half of don't realize you you've swapped
[69:26] and they'll die.
[69:28] Um and it's cool. And yeah, it's it's
[69:30] it's it's fun fight. I like that. And
[69:31] then the uh the the final fight
[69:34] um much has been made of like the kind
[69:36] of Final Fantasy XIV style
[69:39] um mechanic where she shows like three
[69:42] symbols in a row and then those symbols
[69:45] get given to players and they have to
[69:47] line up in the order in which she showed
[69:50] them. Oh. Uh-oh.
[69:53] >> Um and
[69:54] like so if you if you miss it, then and
[69:57] you know, it
[69:58] it's easy to deal with. It just needs
[70:00] someone to be watching for it and to
[70:02] have an agreed-upon like
[70:04] name for each symbol within the team.
[70:06] And then it will always be someone's job
[70:08] to say the order that the people need to
[70:09] stand in, right? And that's easy. Like
[70:11] mechanic solved. Um
[70:14] and in normal you have so much time to
[70:16] to line up. And then and then she does
[70:18] like a kind of a a line that goes around
[70:20] in a circle and you have to hit them in
[70:22] the right order. Oh, I like that.
[70:25] And we failed a couple times and we just
[70:26] healed through it, but it was still a
[70:27] pain. Um and then some other mechanics
[70:29] as well, but we you know, I pretty much
[70:31] YOLO'd that one and and completed it.
[70:33] And
[70:36] then I had already seen the cinematic.
[70:39] And I was thinking maybe
[70:42] maybe you feel the same thing. We'll
[70:44] talk about the cinematic any second now,
[70:45] but like when I watched that cinematic,
[70:47] I was like
[70:48] there must be like some dialogue that
[70:52] happens before that cinematic starts in
[70:54] the fight. Like you kill the boss and
[70:56] then the boss says something or
[70:57] something happens and then but no, you
[71:00] kill the boss and the cinematic just
[71:01] plays straight up.
[71:03] Um which is a bit jarring because kind
[71:06] of doesn't make sense. Oh, and before
[71:08] you start the Lura fight, oh, this is a
[71:09] really cool thing where she like
[71:11] zaps Alleria
[71:13] and she's all like "Oh, your mommy hates
[71:15] you." And blah blah. And and then he's
[71:17] all like "Oh, no, mommy." And then she
[71:19] zaps
[71:21] uh Verisa Verisa Alleria.
[71:23] Windrunner. Verisa. Verisa. She zaps
[71:26] Verisa and she's like uh "Oh, your
[71:28] sisters all hate you. You suck." And
[71:29] she's like "Oh, my sisters."
[71:31] Um and and that you know, takes them out
[71:33] of the fight that way. Which I think's
[71:34] fun because usually what they do is they
[71:36] just go "For some reason you're floating
[71:37] and you can't join in this fight,
[71:39] right?" But it's good that she like Lura
[71:41] did some kind of weird stuff, right? Um
[71:43] and then like um and then the and then
[71:46] you you kill Lura
[71:48] and you go into the Dark Well for the
[71:50] final part of the fight, which is really
[71:51] really cool. Kind of like going into the
[71:52] Dark Heart. It's I mean that looks
[71:54] exactly like it. The Dark Heart actually
[71:56] changed. Um
[71:57] uh and then you kill Lura and then the
[71:58] cinematic plays. And
[72:00] now
[72:01] super Red Bot Spoiler Bot, cuz we are
[72:04] talking about this cinematic.
[72:06] >> I I tried to have him in my head
[72:07] earlier but
[72:09] he just focused away from my eyes, but
[72:10] That's right. Just put him out. Yeah.
[72:12] >> Yeah, so he was bum.
[72:14] What is I've been thinking about and and
[72:17] starting to draft like cinematic
[72:18] analysis. What is your reaction to this
[72:21] cinematic?
[72:23] Right. So, um
[72:25] the first time I saw
[72:26] >> Before we start talking about this, I
[72:28] just want to remind everyone of when I
[72:30] was saying that Midnight is brilliant.
[72:31] Yeah.
[72:32] >> [laughter]
[72:32] >> And how much I really enjoyed Midnight.
[72:34] >> Midnight.
[72:35] >> Yeah, okay, good. Now now you can talk
[72:36] about it, yeah. Um
[72:39] I I I you know,
[72:40] I I think I wasn't surprised that it
[72:43] happened.
[72:44] Um but still when it happened, it made
[72:47] me go
[72:49] uh
[72:52] So, what happens is, right?
[72:56] >> [laughter]
[72:56] >> Zal'atath is there.
[72:58] >> Zal'atath. And Alleria
[72:59] Alleria and
[73:01] Verisa Verisa are on their knees.
[73:04] I don't know why the [ __ ] they're there,
[73:05] cuz they took no no part in the fight at
[73:08] all, but okay, fine, they're there. And
[73:10] actually that's really weird because
[73:11] it's like they're not in the fight. Oh.
[73:14] >> They're there. They're there. And so
[73:16] okay, fine, whatever, right? And and
[73:18] like then
[73:19] Zal'atath turns up and she's like
[73:23] "Now I'm going to kill you. You suck."
[73:25] And like she's about to kill them.
[73:26] >> "You Windrunners just don't know when to
[73:29] die."
[73:30] >> Yeah, and and but she's saying it in
[73:31] like a triumphant way because she's
[73:32] about to kill the Windrunners, right?
[73:34] But then
[73:35] black
[73:36] arrow whizzes through the air.
[73:40] And
[73:40] >> And it yeah, and it fires it's finally
[73:42] getting
[73:43] >> Yeah, finally getting my shot in. That's
[73:44] my shot coming all the way
[73:45] >> long it takes to cast aimed shot these
[73:48] days. That's my shot coming all the way
[73:50] from Void's fire.
[73:52] >> [laughter]
[73:52] >> That one that missed.
[73:55] I I wasn't aiming for you. And and and
[73:57] and it it pops pops one of her sha-
[74:00] shadow orbs. One of her shoulder orbs.
[74:02] Just popped it like a balloon.
[74:04] I guess it's pretty bad. IT GOES
[74:06] LIKE THAT.
[74:10] WAIT, SORRY. REWIND. NO, I just thought
[74:13] I was like she's only she only has one
[74:14] ball now. [laughter]
[74:17] I thought that would be like her thing.
[74:18] She's just asymmetrical.
[74:20] >> No. No. No, it it it goes back in the
[74:22] cinematic. Like um yeah. So, then then
[74:25] it pops her it pops her shoulder thing.
[74:28] And people are going to think I'm
[74:30] telling an April Fools' joke right now.
[74:32] And
[74:34] through the portal, a dark portal that's
[74:36] just opened up in in the room,
[74:39] is not us who've just been fighting Lura
[74:41] to save the day. It's
[74:44] Sylvanas.
[74:46] It's Sylvanas Windrunner.
[74:48] And the Banshee Queen herself.
[74:50] >> And I went oh, no. Yeah, I and I went
[74:54] and and I think there's also I you know,
[74:58] I have to say throughout the course of
[75:00] this cinematic, I warmed up to it and I
[75:02] rolled with it, but the initial um
[75:06] you know, reveal and I was like ooh, I
[75:09] was like that's a lot. That's a lot. Um
[75:13] uh and she comes out and it just really
[75:16] in a good way, it really reinforced to
[75:17] me how utterly campy Sylvanas is. And
[75:21] she's always been that way. She's always
[75:24] been that way. When she comes out and
[75:26] like the way she's animated, like she
[75:28] doesn't move her upper lip at all. And
[75:30] she's like
[75:31] >> [laughter]
[75:32] >> "I have come back." And I'm like oh
[75:35] Please please please I your
[75:38] your Sylvanas impression is reminding me
[75:39] of Shadowlands. And okay, it's fine.
[75:42] It's fine. Okay, well, no, look. So, she
[75:44] comes back and uh
[75:48] Zal'atath is like
[75:51] "I don't want to do this right now." And
[75:53] she really isn't. And like I I do like I
[75:55] do like Zal'atath's line where she's
[75:56] like "Huh. I honestly didn't factor this
[75:59] in." Like do you know what? I honestly
[76:02] didn't think of this.
[76:03] "Okay. Huh. [ __ ] you. Okay."
[76:06] >> [laughter]
[76:06] >> It's like well, I've already won, so I
[76:07] guess I don't know why she was like I
[76:09] will deal with this later. But like you
[76:11] can you can tell Zal'atath's thinking
[76:13] the same thing as me which is like
[76:16] you should have come like 5 minutes ago
[76:18] when it would have mattered. Why didn't
[76:20] you You might have stopped us. Yeah. But
[76:23] you didn't. So I'm just going to go and
[76:25] do the thing that I agree I was I mean
[76:27] I've won.
[76:29] Did you not
[76:30] We're going down into the Okay, bye.
[76:32] And then my my my favorite thing about
[76:35] this cinematic and you know, Sylvanas is
[76:38] there and Alleria and
[76:41] Verisa. And I love I love the way
[76:44] Verisa's animated. I love her facial
[76:46] expressions. They really make her look
[76:47] like you know, she takes a moment and
[76:50] she's like looking at Sylvanas.
[76:52] >> Yeah, best bit in the cinematic.
[76:53] >> It's really good and she looks like
[76:54] she's going to throw a punch at her.
[76:56] Like she's ready to just lay the smack
[76:58] down.
[76:59] >> they very much animate her drawing her
[77:00] fist back as well.
[77:02] Um but she instead she throws herself at
[77:05] Sylvanas. And I actually loved that. I
[77:07] thought that was like such a
[77:10] it was just a really lovely moment. And
[77:12] Sylvanas in her like goofy Banshee Queen
[77:16] kind of stoicness is there. And uh
[77:18] Verisa is like, you know, it's her big
[77:20] sister. You know, I thought I thought it
[77:23] was it was really I I loved her like
[77:26] animations and her expressions. I
[77:27] thought I thought that was really really
[77:29] lovely. Um and then of course everyone's
[77:32] like okay,
[77:33] what is Sylvanas doing here? How did she
[77:36] get out of the Maw? Hi. And they're like
[77:39] [laughter] "Hey." And she's like "Oh,
[77:40] yeah, actually, you know,
[77:42] you I mean yeah, you can actually get
[77:43] out. Comes with a price. No don't know
[77:45] what it is. I paid the price, but I did
[77:47] get out.
[77:49] I didn't really do anything. I did just
[77:50] shoot I did pop one of Zal'atath's
[77:52] balls. That's okay, you know." Yeah.
[77:53] Well, I mean she's she's saving
[77:55] uh
[77:56] Verisa Alleria and Alleria, right?
[78:00] Verisa. And sorry, I'm going to until
[78:02] the day I die, man. She saved she saved
[78:04] them. But then when she's like yeah,
[78:06] exa- Well, no. So, there's this really
[78:08] great moment between them, the sisters.
[78:10] And then Alleria's there like "I thought
[78:13] you couldn't leave the Maw." And he's
[78:15] like "Shut the [ __ ] up."
[78:17] >> Shut up, nephew. I was like
[78:20] like his tone was just way off, man. It
[78:23] was just like a bad vibe. There's a way
[78:25] of delivering that line. No.
[78:27] >> But it was not that. It was not like
[78:30] >> [laughter]
[78:31] >> Right? Hated that. Hated it. Alleria is
[78:34] a sensitive guy, but he's also a blunt
[78:36] instrument. Like he That's just That's
[78:38] That's how he is. He's not the funny
[78:41] guy. He's not the witty guy. He's like
[78:44] he has
[78:45] >> Oh, he is the witty guy. He the I said
[78:46] witty guy.
[78:47] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, um so he's you
[78:49] know, he has a sense of right and wrong
[78:52] and a big like sword he wants to hit
[78:55] people with, you know? He's So, his his
[78:58] his sensitivity has its limits. Um so
[79:01] yeah, and and Sylvanas is
[79:05] uh you know,
[79:06] uh Patty Patty Mattson is like
[79:09] absolutely hamming it up for her and
[79:11] like really so. super leaning into
[79:15] Sylvanas mode here. Um
[79:17] uh and uh and yeah, and she's and then
[79:20] you know, she's here and she just
[79:22] decides to drop give us a few little
[79:25] nuggets. Well, okay, so the first thing
[79:27] she says first thing she says is like,
[79:28] "Well, nephew I do like that line where
[79:29] she's like, well, nephew I can, but it
[79:32] takes its toll." I thought she delivered
[79:34] that line beautifully and the animation
[79:35] on the face was beautiful when she said
[79:37] that. She just seemed very tired and I
[79:39] loved that. I thought that was a really
[79:40] good characterization of her and it was
[79:42] really cool. But like, um, and she's
[79:44] like, you know,
[79:45] "You said that Silvermoon was in danger
[79:47] and that it would need Mhm. its Ranger
[79:50] General one last time."
[79:52] >> last time. And I'm like, yeah, no, but I
[79:54] take issue with that, okay? Because she
[79:56] didn't help. No. Like, she saved her
[79:59] sister and Arator, yes, awesome, great.
[80:02] But like, she didn't help with the
[80:04] defense of Silvermoon.
[80:05] >> Maybe it was a Ranger General we
[80:06] wouldn't have lost. Maybe it'll turn out
[80:08] that she was there just like pew-pewing
[80:10] from the back.
[80:11] >> know, maybe. I don't know. I'm with you.
[80:13] >> I don't know. I think it'd be much
[80:14] better if she arrived during the fight.
[80:17] >> I'm with you.
[80:17] >> If like if if like part of the Lura
[80:19] fight she'd like appeared out of the
[80:20] portal and helped then or any point. But
[80:23] like to be like, "Oh, I heard you guys
[80:25] needed your Ranger General." It's like,
[80:27] yeah, we did. Where the [ __ ] were you?
[80:28] Yeah.
[80:29] >> Like, she wasn't there. She didn't help.
[80:31] She saved She saved two people, but she
[80:34] didn't help in the fight. No, you're
[80:36] right.
[80:37] >> Like, she didn't help in the the like
[80:39] the march. She didn't help in the
[80:41] battle.
[80:41] >> Yeah.
[80:42] >> Like, But it does seem like she can only
[80:44] really be there briefly. She can appear.
[80:46] For sure, for sure. Okay, but And then
[80:48] she she literally goes, right? Wait,
[80:50] like she was like, "That's fine, but
[80:51] don't act like don't like you were there
[80:52] then."
[80:53] >> Yeah, but well, you know, she came to
[80:54] help.
[80:55] >> needed your Ranger General one last
[80:56] time. It would have been nice, Sylvanas.
[80:58] Yeah man.
[80:58] >> Yeah, yeah, okay. I get I get I get your
[81:00] kind of issue with that, though. And
[81:02] then,
[81:03] you know, and then she's like, "Well,
[81:06] all is not as it seems in the
[81:08] Shadowlands."
[81:10] >> is the thing everyone wants to talk
[81:11] about, okay? And we're like, huh? And
[81:13] then and everyone's like, "Oh, no, she
[81:15] said it she said the she said the
[81:17] words."
[81:18] Okay, so what this does is, right? So,
[81:21] obviously you remember the Arator quests
[81:23] at the end of the War Within where you
[81:25] go to the Shadowlands and Sylvanas plays
[81:27] her harp. And I love those quests. I
[81:29] thought they were really really good. I
[81:29] thought those were very cool. And she's
[81:31] got a line in that which we never
[81:33] actually made a video out of at the end
[81:35] cuz I got a feeling I was going to be
[81:36] able to do it later and here we are.
[81:38] Uh, where she's like,
[81:40] "There is something wrong with the
[81:42] Shadowlands.
[81:44] It is too ordered, too And we've talked
[81:46] a lot about this on stream. Uh, but and
[81:49] you know, it was like, "Well, is this
[81:49] going to be something they deal with now
[81:51] or is it coming later or something like
[81:52] that?" And it's very much something
[81:54] they're going to be doing now, clearly.
[81:56] Uh, because yes, she she brings it to
[81:58] the foreground
[82:00] where she's like, "Oh, and there's that
[82:02] other line in in uh, K'aresh where um,
[82:06] what's her name? Who's the brilliant uh,
[82:08] Ethereal in K'aresh that we all love who
[82:10] was in the mall? Venari.
[82:11] >> Venari's like, "I have been to the
[82:13] Shadowlands. I know what it is you
[82:16] fear." Yeah. Zaladormu, right? She's a
[82:18] cool dude. Yeah, and all that stuff. And
[82:19] And like And so, what Sylvanas is saying
[82:22] here, where she's like, "I've got to get
[82:24] to the truth of the Shadowlands. It's
[82:26] not what it seems, etc." This is like
[82:28] very much putting that front and center
[82:31] now. So, it's it's it's going to be a
[82:32] main thing, right?
[82:34] Uh, which which okay, cool. So, here we
[82:36] are. Let's talk about what that means.
[82:37] And obviously, I'm going to be talking
[82:38] about it a lot in the cinematic
[82:40] analysis. Going to take up the bulk of
[82:41] the cinematic analysis, probably.
[82:43] Um but
[82:45] what do you think it means, Evie?
[82:49] I mean, there is a hint that the
[82:53] Shadowlands is just a place created by
[82:56] the
[82:58] Titans or whatever. Right.
[83:00] >> Exactly. This world is a prison.
[83:02] >> Yeah. The Shadowlands are a prison.
[83:03] Yeah. Right. In a In In In a In a
[83:05] nutshell. That's been kind of like the
[83:07] the going theory.
[83:09] >> Exactly. And I don't want to get into it
[83:10] too much cuz we'll get into it deep in
[83:12] uh, cuz I don't think we've ever done a
[83:13] main channel video on something like
[83:15] something we've done something we've
[83:16] done we've done a lot of on stream and
[83:17] and therefore on the second channel a
[83:18] bit. Uh, but
[83:20] >> Um,
[83:21] I will go into a lot of detail on it,
[83:23] but
[83:24] for now, just so I can tell you where
[83:27] we're at. Mhm. Um, people are going to
[83:29] call this and have been calling it for
[83:31] since that original Sylvanas quest
[83:33] that we were just talking about, the
[83:36] reconning of Shadowlands.
[83:38] >> Mhm.
[83:39] Um, this idea and the idea of reconning
[83:42] Shadowlands has always been very popular
[83:43] ever since everyone hated Shadowlands.
[83:44] They were like, "Can we just recon the
[83:45] [ __ ] out of this and pretend it never
[83:46] happened?" And Blizzard have never done
[83:48] that. They've always kind of leaned into
[83:49] Shadowlands in a way that I kind of
[83:51] respect, right? Not not making it very
[83:53] like relevant, but very much kind of
[83:55] keeping it there in a thing. Um, and
[83:58] then Sylvanas' line like, "It's too
[84:00] ordered."
[84:01] which definitely suggests something to
[84:03] do with Titans and stuff like that,
[84:04] obviously. So, here's my take on that.
[84:07] Um,
[84:09] one,
[84:10] the reconning of Shadowlands.
[84:11] >> Mhm. My take on this is that
[84:14] the recontextualization that they appear
[84:17] to be leaning in towards Shadowlands is
[84:20] less a recon
[84:22] and actually
[84:25] changing something that was a recon to
[84:27] be more like it was in the first place.
[84:30] So, it's almost like a reverse recon. I
[84:32] don't like calling it a recon cuz it's
[84:34] like Oh, sure.
[84:35] >> It's it's a restoration
[84:37] >> Yeah. as it were.
[84:38] >> A reconciliation.
[84:40] >> Exactly.
[84:40] >> yeah. So, so my take is this, right? And
[84:44] I said this in the build-up to the
[84:45] Shadowlands expansion, which I was
[84:46] excited about when they announced it,
[84:48] but like before they announced it and
[84:50] everyone was going, "What do you think
[84:51] of a Shadowlands expansion, Taliesin?" I
[84:53] was like, "I think that's a [ __ ]
[84:54] terrible idea." Because the Shadowlands
[84:57] is just like a death version of the
[85:01] Emerald Dream. As in, it is a recreation
[85:04] of it it's Azeroth, but a different like
[85:07] phase of Azeroth, basically. That's what
[85:09] the Emerald Dream is for life and
[85:11] Shadowlands is that for death. So, like
[85:14] >> It's where you go when you're a wisp,
[85:15] right?
[85:15] >> Exactly. So, if you are going to do an
[85:17] expansion set in the Shadowlands, you're
[85:19] going to have to do the expansion stuff.
[85:20] You're going to going to give it
[85:21] different zones with different
[85:22] aesthetics and different characters and
[85:25] societies and hierarchical structures
[85:28] and rules. And it's like, no one wants
[85:30] that in the Shadowlands. You're like,
[85:31] you're you're forcing stuff into the
[85:33] Shadowlands which it just isn't. Like,
[85:35] it's just like a [ __ ] ghosty Emerald
[85:37] Dream, okay? Keep it like that. That's
[85:39] what it is. Think of something else to
[85:41] do an expansion on. And lo and behold.
[85:43] Um so
[85:45] the mere existence of the Shadowlands
[85:47] expansion was the recon. Sure. The whole
[85:50] there's a million different realms and
[85:52] this realm does that and this realm does
[85:53] that. And also, everything from the
[85:55] Great Dark Beyond comes here when they
[85:57] die.
[85:58] And also, this And the biggest recon of
[86:00] all was the Shadowlands is the realm of
[86:03] death. Yes.
[86:04] >> Shadowlands is not the realm of death.
[86:06] You only have to look and I I've been
[86:08] beating this drum since Shadowlands,
[86:10] okay?
[86:11] And people were like, "Taliesin, stop
[86:13] beating this drum."
[86:14] But I'm going to be proven right, okay?
[86:17] >> He just loves to beat it.
[86:18] >> I I I love beating it. Every day. That's
[86:21] why one arm is so big. And you only have
[86:24] to look at Chronicle. The Shadowlands is
[86:26] shown as being part of the Great Dark
[86:28] Beyond. It is part of our reality. It's
[86:31] obviously death realm adjacent, but it's
[86:33] not part of the death realm.
[86:34] >> Why don't we have just like a giant
[86:36] poster of the Chronicle like map?
[86:37] >> Yeah, we we should, actually. Um, it's
[86:39] [laughter] not the Shadowlands in
[86:40] Chronicle and in the way it was always
[86:42] presented in game was not part of the
[86:44] death realm. Making it part of like just
[86:47] as the Emerald Dream is not part of the
[86:48] life realm. They are part of our reality
[86:50] and they are reflections of Azeroth in
[86:52] different states, both of them. Um, and
[86:55] Shadowlands reconned that to make the
[86:57] Shadowlands expansion happen. Where I
[87:00] think they're going with this story
[87:01] right now is they are reconning the
[87:02] recon. And they're going, "Oh,
[87:05] don't you wonder why the Shadowlands are
[87:06] so weird?"
[87:07] >> Mhm. Well, that's because it's not the
[87:09] realm of death. It's a [ __ ] Titan
[87:11] construct just like the [ __ ] Emerald
[87:13] Dream is, okay? So, like, yes. They're
[87:17] actually They're They're They're putting
[87:19] the lore back to what it was before and
[87:21] they're going, "Oh, the actual realm of
[87:23] death? No, we've never actually been
[87:24] there." So, all that [ __ ] that happened
[87:25] like the Shadowlands, yeah, it's just a
[87:27] weird Titan thing. And yes, that,
[87:29] please. That works better. No, people
[87:31] saying that's messy? No, that's good,
[87:33] actually. That actually like this is a
[87:35] very If this is what they're doing and
[87:36] it looks certain that they are to me,
[87:38] this is very good cuz Shadowlands lore
[87:41] is messy. The stuff that they tried to
[87:43] turn Shadowlands into is messy and
[87:45] doesn't make sense. Recontextualizing it
[87:47] as what it always was in the first
[87:50] place, which is the death version of the
[87:51] Emerald Dream, that cleans it up. That
[87:54] makes it better. That like separates it
[87:57] off and makes it what it should have
[87:58] been all along. Like, this is this is a
[88:00] reverse recon if this is indeed what
[88:03] they're doing and I'm certain they are.
[88:04] And that's brilliant. I love that.
[88:06] That's fantastic. Of course,
[88:09] Sylvanas could have maybe told us that
[88:11] instead of going,
[88:12] "I will tell you about it some other
[88:14] time."
[88:15] >> No. "I will not rest until I will not
[88:18] rest I will not rest until I
[88:21] I figure it out. Um, and and so what I I
[88:23] I Bye. I mean, I'm very much in And I've
[88:25] always been against reconning the
[88:26] Shadowlands. I'm like, you can't just
[88:27] recon [ __ ] whole expansions. Like,
[88:29] it's there, deal with it, work around
[88:31] it, work through it, you know, make it
[88:33] good.
[88:34] Um, and but this I do approve of because
[88:37] it's actually
[88:38] improving the situation, but also like
[88:41] making And I've been I've been saying
[88:43] this for so many years. Whenever someone
[88:45] asks me about it on stream, I I pull up
[88:47] the [ __ ] Chronicle
[88:48] like uh, cosmos chart and I'll be like,
[88:50] well,
[88:51] I've always said I And And I will die on
[88:54] this hill that Shadowlands
[88:56] it's not actually in the realm of death.
[88:58] We just need to look at it like this.
[88:59] And so, all the talk about it being in
[89:01] the realm Maybe they don't know. Maybe
[89:02] the people in the Shadowlands think it
[89:03] is realm of death, but it's not. And And
[89:05] I'm just I'm just I think I'm being
[89:07] vindicated here. I think I you know, I
[89:10] think I I yes, this was a good call from
[89:13] me for years and years and years in the
[89:15] face in the face of mockery and
[89:19] >> I remember. Yeah. So, like yeah.
[89:22] This is where I think they're going with
[89:23] it. And two, the other thing that a lot
[89:25] of people are talking about is the idea
[89:27] of um
[89:30] death being what Xal'atath fears and
[89:33] what the void fears. And this whole
[89:35] thing of the void fearing death.
[89:36] >> up repeatedly, doesn't it?
[89:38] >> So, the first time it came up was in the
[89:39] three sisters comic
[89:41] leading up to BfA where, you know,
[89:44] Alleria is there and she's having all of
[89:45] these um
[89:47] like whispers and they go [ __ ] nuts
[89:50] when Sylvanas is around there. Like,
[89:51] "Oh, she is the enemy of everything."
[89:53] And blah blah. And they're like And
[89:54] everyone, myself included, was like,
[89:56] "Wow, the void is scared of of death?
[89:59] Okay, why would And they haven't really
[90:01] touched on that again until recently
[90:03] again where the Venari line was like,
[90:05] "I've been to the Shadowlands. I see
[90:06] what you fear."
[90:06] >> Yeah. And everyone was like, "Oh, yeah,
[90:08] the
[90:09] the void is scared of death." And now
[90:11] with this scene between Xal'atath
[90:12] clearly knows who Sylvanas is. Mhm. And
[90:15] Sylvanas is like, "Death comes for
[90:17] everyone, Xal'atath, even your wretched
[90:20] kind." And And that [laughter]
[90:22] And I
[90:23] I love Xal'atath's reaction to that.
[90:25] She's like,
[90:27] "Ah, you are right. But also, I don't
[90:30] need to do this right now."
[90:31] >> know, I don't need to I'm going to go
[90:32] >> go and do my plan. Is that okay? I'm I'm
[90:34] in the middle of Sylvanas is is lovely.
[90:36] I'm in the middle of my plan.
[90:38] We'll sort this out some other time.
[90:39] Let's go."
[90:40] And she goes into [clears throat] the
[90:40] portal, which I really love.
[90:41] And
[90:42] >> I do appreciate how like Sylvanas and
[90:45] Xal'atath are like two, you know, iconic
[90:47] queens of World of Warcraft, both like
[90:49] quite devious, but like completely
[90:52] different, like polar opposites.
[90:53] >> Okay, do you want to hear my theory on
[90:54] the whole void fears death? Yeah, tell
[90:56] me about it quickly.
[90:57] >> The void doesn't fear death. The void
[90:59] doesn't fear death.
[91:00] >> What does it fear? Sylvanas. Uh why? The
[91:02] void sees every possible future. Okay.
[91:06] Okay?
[91:07] So, it it's seen So, Xal'atath has seen
[91:10] that in every possible future, she wins
[91:14] except one.
[91:16] And that's the future where Sylvanas is
[91:17] there. Oh, okay.
[91:19] >> Okay? So, it's like Sylvanas by her very
[91:22] presence in like the final battle makes
[91:26] it the reality
[91:28] the future, the potential future where
[91:30] the void loses. Okay. Wait, what is this
[91:33] gift of seeing all potential futures? Is
[91:36] that That's what they've always said
[91:36] about the void. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,
[91:39] it's not Powerful. that the void fears,
[91:42] it's Sylvanas. Not because she's like
[91:45] the chosen one, okay?
[91:47] It could be you you could you could make
[91:49] it like the void fears red shirts, okay?
[91:53] Because
[91:54] in the one future they saw where they
[91:56] lose, Alleria was wearing a red shirt,
[91:59] okay? So, it's like it's not that red
[92:01] shirts are powerful or particularly
[92:03] meaningful or the chosen ones or
[92:05] anything like that. It's that in the one
[92:07] future where we lose, I saw you there.
[92:09] So, it's not like she's not to
[92:11] do anything. It's like the reason we
[92:12] fear you is because your very existence
[92:15] makes this thing possible and that's
[92:17] losing possible. You know, she's not the
[92:19] chosen one, it's just like [ __ ] saw
[92:21] you there, right?
[92:21] >> Okay. So, there's this thing of and that
[92:24] fits in with all the lines. It fits in
[92:27] with like the void going crazy when
[92:28] Sylvanas turns up and people were like,
[92:30] "Oh, they fear death." No, it's Sylvanas
[92:32] they're talking about. And
[92:35] Varissa's like
[92:36] Venari, sorry, is like, "I've been to
[92:39] the Maw. I've seen what you fear." And
[92:41] everyone was like, "They fear death."
[92:43] No, who's in the [ __ ] Maw? Sylvanas
[92:46] doing her penance, right? Right. So,
[92:48] like it's not death they're talking
[92:50] about is my theory. Interesting.
[92:52] >> It's Sylvanas specifically.
[92:54] >> Specifically her.
[92:55] >> She's an omen, yeah, quite quite right.
[92:56] She's not the chosen one, she's an omen.
[92:58] Yeah.
[92:58] >> Okay. She's like the [ __ ] like, you
[93:00] know, the the blackbird or the magpie in
[93:02] in and like yeah, exactly. All right. I
[93:04] am
[93:06] You don't like it, do you? You don't
[93:07] like my theory.
[93:08] >> okay with
[93:09] I guess it's it could be Could I'm
[93:11] trying to see like how it would play out
[93:13] and how it would feel. Like it creates a
[93:15] lot of potential like, you know, people
[93:17] are excited to see Sylvanas play out.
[93:19] People are excited to see Sylvanas play
[93:21] out in the sense that she will probably
[93:22] die, right? Like will she Maybe like she
[93:25] will expend herself one last time. And
[93:27] then oh, well, you know, with so it kind
[93:30] of fits in with what she said that as it
[93:31] at the end as she's about to enter her
[93:34] little Maw portal and she's like, "You
[93:36] know, maybe I'll see you again
[93:39] um
[93:39] uh at at
[93:41] the beginning of when it starts." I
[93:43] forget
[93:45] >> [laughter]
[93:46] >> Or whatever [ __ ] is, yeah.
[93:48] At the beginning of when Before the end.
[93:50] No, no, no, she doesn't say before the
[93:52] end. She says at the beginning of when
[93:55] Someone give me the words. It's not as
[93:57] snappy as it sounded when in the
[93:58] cinematic, I have to say.
[94:00] >> She says it is She says at the beginning
[94:02] of the ending or something really along
[94:04] those lines, which is like a nice uh
[94:08] before the end begins. Thank you, God.
[94:10] I'm so excited to see Cannot wait.
[94:12] Before [laughter]
[94:13] Before the end begins.
[94:14] >> Yeah, before the end before the end
[94:16] begins. I hope to see you again before
[94:18] the end begins.
[94:20] >> Yeah. Nice, nice. You know, the end
[94:22] beginning is quite a nice
[94:23] >> it's not as good as yours, but you're
[94:25] refusing to do yours [laughter] right
[94:26] now, so I'm having to I'm having to jump
[94:27] in and save it. I'm filling it I'm
[94:29] filling in. Yeah. The beginning
[94:32] >> [laughter]
[94:32] >> Yeah, before the end begins. And I think
[94:34] that's quite Yeah, she is ushering in
[94:37] the end, right? The the ending is is is
[94:40] coming right?
[94:41] >> Mhm. Um
[94:43] So, it's a
[94:45] you know, and in the sense that it will
[94:46] kind of provide some maybe closure for
[94:49] some characters. I think it I think it
[94:50] could be interesting. But yeah, my
[94:52] initial reaction, I was like, "God,
[94:54] Sylvanas is here again." It was, you
[94:57] know, hinted at that she will come back
[94:59] at some point. Makes perfect sense that
[95:01] she's there. And then I was won over by
[95:03] this kind of, "Okay, we're all in on
[95:06] this bigger cosmic conspiracy now. I'm
[95:09] onto something. I I'm going to figure it
[95:11] out. I'm not telling you anything right
[95:12] now. But I know
[95:14] stuff is a foot. Keep it at the front of
[95:16] your mind. Do all of your dolls and
[95:19] stuff, but we'll you know, we'll pick it
[95:20] up soon. Yeah.
[95:22] So, Yeah. It's cool. I mean, like people
[95:26] people are like, "Oh, how did she get
[95:28] out of the Shadowlands?" It's like,
[95:29] "Well, she was always she was always in
[95:30] the Maw semi-voluntarily, right?" It's
[95:33] like she went to trial.
[95:35] She was found guilty or whatever. And
[95:37] they were like, "Tyrande, what do you
[95:39] want to do with her?" And she says,
[95:40] "Your penance will be to save all the
[95:42] souls from the Maw." And Sylvanas jumps
[95:44] in there willingly. It's like she's not
[95:46] forced there, she's not bound there.
[95:48] She's not like, you know, there by any
[95:50] magical kind of like chains or anything
[95:52] like that. You know, she can come out
[95:54] the same way same way we could. You
[95:56] know, the the Maw is essentially open
[95:58] now. They don't send any souls there
[96:00] anymore.
[96:01] So, like she can she can
[96:03] in theory come I I So, I I don't I'm I
[96:05] have no issue with her leaving the Maw.
[96:07] Mhm. I
[96:09] like Tyrande's owl is probably there
[96:10] like, "I [ __ ] I closed my eyes for 1 sec
[96:12] I looked away for 1 second. Where'd she
[96:14] [ __ ] go?"
[96:15] But like, yeah, I mean,
[96:18] I'm I'm fine with that personally. Yeah.
[96:20] Uh so, yeah, I I I I'd be funny if like
[96:23] when she opened her portal to go back to
[96:25] the Shadowlands,
[96:27] um
[96:28] Tyrande's owl was there like, "The [ __ ]
[96:30] time you call this? Excuse me. You said
[96:32] you were popping out to get some milk.
[96:35] Where's my [ __ ] milk?"
[96:37] >> [laughter]
[96:38] >> I know. I know.
[96:41] Um so, yeah, you know, I I I was almost
[96:43] like not ready for this cuz I'm like I'm
[96:46] enjoying Silvermoon. I'm enjoying the
[96:49] threat. I'm enjoying the elves. I'm
[96:52] enjoying I like this. I like this world.
[96:55] And then Sylvanas is kind of not of that
[96:57] world. She's of something else. And I
[96:59] know she's there just to you know, this
[97:01] is just the ending of the cinematic
[97:03] at the end of the raid and other things
[97:05] will happen before she steps back in as
[97:07] part of the story.
[97:09] But I was like, "I'm not ready." But of
[97:11] course they needed it in a big explosive
[97:13] moment, didn't they? They needed it in
[97:14] like an impactful moment. So, it makes
[97:16] sense to do there. But I'm like, "I just
[97:17] want
[97:18] I'm just going to hang out in
[97:19] Silvermoon. Just change the skybox
[97:20] again. Just want to Just want things to
[97:23] be okay for a little Oh, and then the
[97:26] skybox. Okay, so like the void storm is
[97:29] over. There's no beam coming down from
[97:31] the sky anymore. There's no portal. Oh.
[97:34] >> normal skybox. Oh, hell no. Everything's
[97:36] light and sunny and nice again in
[97:38] Silvermoon and there's no big crack in
[97:41] the sky. There's no beam coming down.
[97:43] It's just a beautiful sunny day. And now
[97:46] all that lovely triumphant Silvermoon
[97:48] music, ba ba [singing]
[97:51] ba ba ba, all that [ __ ]
[97:53] You really feel like you've earned it in
[97:55] the city now. It's really good. It went
[97:57] all dark and spooky for a while and then
[97:59] you fought through. And like you've seen
[98:01] three different iterations of that big
[98:02] hole in the sky and now it's gone. And
[98:04] you do genuinely feel like you I was
[98:06] walking around there and I was like,
[98:08] "I did this." You did that.
[98:10] >> pretty awesome.
[98:11] >> Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
[98:13] That's so cool. And And like actually it
[98:15] does feel really really good, that bit.
[98:16] But um yeah, I
[98:19] I don't hate the Sylvanas thing.
[98:22] But two things can be true at the same
[98:23] time. And like actually three things can
[98:26] be true at the same time. I don't hate
[98:27] it.
[98:28] I thought like the lore stuff was very
[98:30] fun to talk about and I appreciate that
[98:33] kind of [ __ ] Definitely.
[98:35] But also, I think it's the dumbest
[98:36] [ __ ] [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life.
[98:37] >> [laughter]
[98:38] >> I just wasn't ready for it. I just
[98:40] wasn't ready.
[98:40] >> Like And And I know And I know Sylvanas
[98:42] is a Windrunner sister. This has been
[98:44] crucial. I just thought it was the
[98:46] dumbest [ __ ] [ __ ] Everyone's talking
[98:47] about her all the time.
[98:50] We've been going to Windrunner Spire.
[98:52] We've done the story with Lirath. We've
[98:54] done We've You know, we're It's like
[98:56] Windrunner town here. We literally are
[98:57] in Windrunner town.
[98:59] >> And you know, maybe maybe that maybe
[99:02] this will be part of like
[99:04] Sylvanas
[99:05] I think they need to
[99:08] free Sylvanas from yeah, the negative
[99:10] connotations she carries from
[99:12] Shadowlands. As be you know, I feel like
[99:15] this is
[99:15] >> a little bit of sick in your stomach
[99:17] though because it reminds you so much of
[99:18] Shadowlands?
[99:19] >> Yes, of course. When she came out
[99:20] >> feet are like there's like the black and
[99:22] I'm like I was like getting like this is
[99:23] giving me some emotions I've been locked
[99:25] away for a while.
[99:27] >> if this is a thing but her I think feel
[99:29] like her model looks crazy. Her face is
[99:32] like
[99:34] I will save you before the beginning of
[99:36] the end. I'm going to say this
[99:38] >> her and then it gets to Sylvanas
[99:40] Sylvanas has like teeth and she's got
[99:43] like she's got like mobile eyes and
[99:45] she's like
[99:47] rolling her you know and
[99:49] maybe cuz she is kind of dead you know.
[99:53] Maybe it's cuz Sylvanas is is like in
[99:55] the Maw and um but her seeing her like
[100:00] the style of her
[100:03] character her face her model I was like
[100:07] ah
[100:08] No. Do you know yeah. Yes. So
[100:11] I'm going to say this one time and one
[100:13] time only okay people are mentioning it
[100:15] in the chat.
[100:16] >> Okay. Um
[100:19] Sylvanas is not
[100:21] doing what she's doing in the Maw
[100:24] for redemption.
[100:25] She's doing it for penance which are two
[100:28] very different things okay penance and
[100:30] redemption okay ask any priest player
[100:32] two very different abilities okay like
[100:35] redemption means you make up for the
[100:39] thing. Okay and set it right. Okay.
[100:42] Penance means you pay for it and you
[100:45] serve your time. Okay. So like you know
[100:49] when you put someone in jail you're not
[100:51] making things right. It doesn't undo the
[100:53] crime they did. They're serving their
[100:55] punishment right. Whereas if you if you
[100:58] make someone build something or like you
[101:00] know I don't know I don't know what like
[101:02] the the redemption would be but like
[101:04] Sylvanas is not doing what she's doing
[101:07] for redemption.
[101:08] She doesn't want redemption. And people
[101:10] don't need to consider her redeemed.
[101:13] Like penance you know it's like
[101:16] you would you don't have to forgive
[101:17] someone who committed a crime to accept
[101:20] that when they've done their time in
[101:21] prison their time is served and they
[101:23] should be let out right like and and and
[101:26] you don't have to forgive them you don't
[101:27] have to they don't have to be redeemed
[101:30] but they have served their penance.
[101:32] Yeah. And and like that's that's what's
[101:35] I mean that's the literal word Sylvanas
[101:37] uses right and she said at the time
[101:38] >> I'm doing my penance. I don't want to
[101:39] have this conversation like every single
[101:41] time we talk about this I know she's I'm
[101:43] not talking about any comment in
[101:44] particular cuz I've lots of people
[101:45] saying it and you know it's just like
[101:47] but there's never been any suggestion
[101:49] that she would be redeemed. She she says
[101:52] the words in Shadowlands there is no
[101:53] redemption for me.
[101:55] Um
[101:56] even when the whole soul thing was
[101:57] revealed right and and and you know like
[102:01] it her kind of penance in the Maw her
[102:04] atonement has never been framed as
[102:06] redemption. It's always been framed as
[102:09] this is your punishment.
[102:10] >> Mhm. You know
[102:12] like which is is different. It's
[102:14] different. Yeah. It's like You are not
[102:15] redeemed via your penance.
[102:17] >> Exactly.
[102:18] >> Like you you know that's a whole that's
[102:20] a whole other thing yeah. Yeah so this
[102:22] is not a Sylvanas redemption arc like
[102:24] she never has to be redeemed.
[102:25] >> Mhm. In order to still be an interesting
[102:27] and and meaningful character. Like you
[102:29] know it's like yeah it just doesn't need
[102:31] to be. Mhm. And I don't think she will
[102:32] be. Yeah. So yeah there we go. She's
[102:37] certainly have to do a bit more than
[102:38] turn up and save two people to be
[102:39] redeemed I think. Yeah. Um you know and
[102:42] then talking like she took part in the
[102:43] fight
[102:44] >> Yeah.
[102:46] No she didn't. No I don't
[102:49] >> glad I showed up?
[102:50] >> [laughter]
[102:51] >> Peace. Bye. And I will go into more
[102:55] details on all of that stuff in the
[102:56] cinematic analysis which I
[102:57] >> to go into more details?
[102:59] Yeah.
[103:00] >> [laughter]
[103:01] >> Sorry.
[103:02] Easy. Yeah but that's you know I I again
[103:05] I think a lot about what other people
[103:06] think that yes clearly the Shadowlands
[103:08] is some kind of Titan construct.
[103:10] There there is suggestion in the
[103:12] original lore the Titans did create the
[103:14] Emerald Dream. There's been suggestion
[103:15] they kind of took it over since then but
[103:17] you can you can say that the Titans have
[103:20] a strong influence on the Emerald Dream
[103:21] as well so they've created these two
[103:23] mirrors of Azeroth one full of life one
[103:26] full of
[103:27] death
[103:28] >> Mhm. both of them outside the realms of
[103:30] life and death.
[103:31] >> Mhm. And you got to think to yourself
[103:32] well why are the Titans doing that? Is
[103:34] it to stop people going to the realms of
[103:37] life and death?
[103:37] >> Mhm. It's like before they get there
[103:39] they get to the Emerald Dream or they
[103:40] get to the
[103:41] you know like what would happen to the
[103:42] lower uh if if if like or to souls if
[103:47] there was no Shadowlands and they went
[103:48] to the realm of death the realm of death
[103:50] would get more powerful. Mhm. You know
[103:52] so is is that like in the same way that
[103:55] um
[103:57] Odin created uh
[104:00] like his kind of
[104:02] halls of valor and stuff to basically
[104:04] intercept souls before they went to the
[104:07] the Shadowlands
[104:08] >> Mhm. is that basically what the
[104:09] Shadowlands is to intercept souls before
[104:11] they go to the realm of death and make
[104:13] that realm more powerful. It's like
[104:15] we're creating the Emerald Dream so that
[104:17] you know
[104:19] the life realm doesn't get more powerful
[104:21] because we're kind of keeping this stuff
[104:23] for ourselves
[104:23] >> Mhm.
[104:24] Um
[104:25] and yeah I I think it could be something
[104:27] to do with
[104:29] basically
[104:30] we're creating a [ __ ] iron dome round
[104:33] the reality basically to stop stuff
[104:34] getting out cuz we're going to keep it
[104:35] all for ourselves I think something like
[104:37] that
[104:37] >> That's interesting. I don't know that's
[104:38] vague isn't it but yeah. You have a
[104:39] think about that. In the meantime let's
[104:41] do our super chats.
[104:42] >> Yeah.
[104:43] Um but there we have it. That is the
[104:46] Yeah so that's that's where I'm leaning.
[104:48] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah well.
[104:52] There's a lot to do
[104:53] >> Yeah I like that I like that yeah. And
[104:55] then but that's it's interesting that
[104:56] when Odin
[104:57] if that is what's happening then Odin
[104:59] did the same thing he like played by the
[105:01] Titan like playbook almost when he made
[105:05] uh you know like the halls of valor. So
[105:07] yeah I I I could buy it. I could buy it.
[105:10] Yeah.
[105:11] Anyway. So super chats. Let's jump into
[105:14] our super chats. Thank you guys for
[105:15] everyone who has been dropping super
[105:17] chats. We appreciate it. Let's get
[105:20] Pan Yacht thank you so much our first
[105:22] one. Hi guys I started playing wow
[105:24] halfway through Shadowlands and you guys
[105:26] have been by far the best source of wow
[105:27] news slash lore speculation out there.
[105:30] Thank you Pan Yacht that's really nice.
[105:32] >> They wrote that before I just said all
[105:33] the [ __ ] I've been saying so maybe they
[105:34] don't think that anymore.
[105:36] Cuz I saw some people also being like
[105:38] why is every why is every saying down on
[105:40] Shadowlands? Why does everybody hate
[105:42] Sylvanas? I'm like I don't I don't I
[105:44] just I there are things I loved about
[105:46] about Shadowlands. I loved Bastion. I
[105:49] thought Bastion was super fun. I thought
[105:51] Maldraxxus was super I enjoyed elements
[105:54] of Shadowlands like a great deal. Like
[105:56] the aesthetics of Shadowlands was great
[105:57] as well gameplay wise yeah. You know the
[105:59] the Venthyr like the the aesthetics and
[106:02] the cultures like within the Shadowlands
[106:04] I loved many things about it. But the
[106:07] the story became strange
[106:11] hulking
[106:12] just mess. Yeah because It just became
[106:15] weird. The lore didn't make sense.
[106:16] >> Yeah and there's just some yeah there's
[106:19] some yeah the lore didn't make any
[106:20] sense. It was but so yeah I'm not
[106:23] nagging on that. Um and you already know
[106:26] my opinion on Sylvanas so I think she's
[106:28] like a super camp queen so
[106:29] >> Oh yeah love Sylvanas. Yeah it's
[106:31] absolutely outrageous. Um anyway next
[106:34] one is from Mr. Brightside thank you Mr.
[106:36] Brightside. Hey guys currently main a
[106:38] shadow priest nice. And this whole
[106:40] expansion feels like I'm chasing my
[106:42] ex-wife for child support money for my
[106:44] thing from beyond.
[106:47] Yeah. I love that.
[106:48] >> were still called there by the light
[106:49] that's the thing and Lotharion does have
[106:51] that line about that right he's talking
[106:55] cuz you do you do got this line as well
[106:56] where he's talking about how much he
[106:57] hates Umbric and he's like we can't let
[106:59] Umbric here doing whatever [ __ ] Umbric
[107:00] wants. He's a void look at how voidy he
[107:02] is [ __ ] him. And then you go you have
[107:04] this you have this option to ask you
[107:06] like well Lotharion you know I use the
[107:08] void Yeah. And I'm standing there like
[107:09] having tentacles and [ __ ] where like
[107:11] N'Zoth eyes and stuff all over me like
[107:13] Lotharion did did you know that I use
[107:15] the void as well? Yeah yeah. Makes the
[107:17] good point he's like you were summoned
[107:19] by the light.
[107:20] >> Mhm. Like whatever The light influence
[107:22] you have A I know you and I've worked
[107:24] with you and you've proven yourself but
[107:26] B like you were summoned here Umbric was
[107:28] not. Like he just [ __ ] rocks up which
[107:30] is a good point honestly. Yeah.
[107:32] >> [laughter]
[107:32] >> Yeah. You know so it's like I trust you
[107:35] but I don't trust that [ __ ]
[107:36] Yeah. He wasn't summoned by the by the
[107:38] light right? So I get it and also I
[107:42] still don't think he would have
[107:44] destroyed Silvermoon by destroying the
[107:46] the Nexus point. We've still only got
[107:48] that that Domina's like word on that.
[107:51] Yeah. You know the Domina well known for
[107:53] telling the truth right?
[107:54] >> Mhm. Oh my goodness don't let him
[107:56] destroy that it'll destroy all of
[107:58] Silvermoon. Oh say no more Domina who's
[108:00] been already proven to be manipulating
[108:02] us throughout this entire questline.
[108:03] Let's go and kill our mate then.
[108:05] >> Do exactly what you want me to do. Yeah.
[108:09] Anyway thank you for that one. Next one
[108:11] is from SSM
[108:13] Devil. Thank you so much me equals the
[108:16] Shawn the Shawn lovely to see you. Hey
[108:19] the Shawn absolute legend thank you.
[108:20] Just a hello always a pleasure to listen
[108:22] watch y'all cheers. Oh thank you.
[108:24] Thank you so much. Cheers mate thank
[108:26] you. I really appreciate that lovely to
[108:28] see you here too. And next one is from
[108:30] Goldtooth. Lovely lovely Goldtooth also
[108:34] dropping some subs on Twitch. You guys
[108:37] are playing both fields. I love bits. I
[108:40] love to see this thank you. After
[108:42] reading the Blizzard April Fools post we
[108:44] all need wine. Yeah. Vodka and whiskey
[108:46] and a nap. Yeah this this April Fools
[108:49] post made me feel old.
[108:50] >> Oh yeah so so The kind of the dread the
[108:53] like you know existential dread of the
[108:55] housing bit the the tease of getting
[108:59] roleplay things but not cuz apparently
[109:02] roleplay is a joke to them and then the
[109:04] um
[109:05] the like the Gen Z
[109:08] slang section really I'm like I need I
[109:10] need recovery time. But thank you. I
[109:13] agree gold tooth. Absolutely.
[109:15] >> [laughter]
[109:16] >> Thank you so much. Next one from Moxie.
[109:20] I'd like a warm out like toggle.
[109:23] That makes the world more neutral mob
[109:25] filled with no loot for our peers to get
[109:27] new places in the world to RP.
[109:30] Now. The bad thing about that is.
[109:33] That someone like me who doesn't RP but
[109:35] likes playing on RP servers so that I
[109:37] can see like so there are people I don't
[109:39] send watch but there are people RPing
[109:41] around the place which I think makes the
[109:43] world just better and like so if that
[109:45] would be great for role players but it
[109:46] would suck for me who like having role
[109:48] players around like kind of you know
[109:51] populate the world with more people and
[109:53] enriching the world so.
[109:55] >> Speaking of did you know that Magister's
[109:56] Terrace is now like open you can like
[109:58] literally just walk in there and and
[109:59] just hang out there. Yeah. It's really
[110:01] cool. It's really good. It's a good life
[110:02] hack. Even even the actual like
[110:04] void dark well as well.
[110:06] >> Yeah. So you can just hang out in there.
[110:08] Speaking of RP. It's really cool
[110:09] actually yeah and and like there is an
[110:10] open like I say skybox so there's not
[110:12] like this really noisy
[110:15] anymore. It's like it is just it it's
[110:17] just Silvermoon now. It's just like it's
[110:19] a city now. It's like yeah it's cool.
[110:21] Another one from Moxie. Thank you. If
[110:24] you didn't get invited you didn't get
[110:25] invited into the Arcanina. Arator did.
[110:28] You just followed him in and it would
[110:29] have been too awkward for them to ask
[110:30] you to leave. It's true.
[110:32] I haven't done any of their quests yet.
[110:34] I never did.
[110:35] Oh I make sure I do it every week cuz I
[110:37] don't want to have to catch up
[110:38] and just in case someone disappear and
[110:40] stuff like that and then I don't want to
[110:41] be waiting for the quest I haven't done
[110:42] to come around and like same with the
[110:44] Harren ear like I love the Harren ear
[110:46] lore quests but you miss a week there's
[110:48] no catch up. Yeah. Like it's just
[110:50] [clears throat] going to take you an
[110:50] extra week to finish it so I have to
[110:52] make sure I do those and I always always
[110:53] glad when I do cuz I think they're so
[110:55] good. Yeah. And the last I the one I did
[110:57] recently which was like a lamp it was so
[111:00] good people hearing the song and stuff
[111:02] ah like there's such good quests they're
[111:04] really really good. All right I'll do
[111:06] them.
[111:07] Thank you.
[111:08] Next one is from the Jay Scribe. Thank
[111:11] you for the super chat. Given the new
[111:13] cinematic do you think your predictions
[111:14] around Sylvanas that she'll die
[111:16] defending Silvermoon will still come to
[111:18] pass? It seems like a huge miss for a
[111:20] satisfying arc if not. I think she'll
[111:22] die. Ah.
[111:24] I don't think she'll die specifically
[111:26] defending Silvermoon. So like she she's
[111:29] done defending Silvermoon now even
[111:31] though she [ __ ] didn't. But like.
[111:33] That like.
[111:35] They need
[111:36] ranger general one more time.
[111:38] >> One last time.
[111:39] >> yeah that's why we asked for Halford.
[111:41] And Halford wasn't there. Halford was
[111:43] there. Halford actually took part in the
[111:45] fight.
[111:45] >> Hello.
[111:46] Like we had our ranger general. He was
[111:49] he was [ __ ] there. Hello. He actually
[111:53] came when we asked him to.
[111:56] [ __ ] with you.
[111:58] So.
[111:59] My boy Halford. She's so insane. I love
[112:02] it. She just walked in and she's like.
[112:04] So no I I don't think she will die
[112:06] specifically in defense of Silvermoon
[112:08] but she could still die. Like but it for
[112:10] me it was the beautiful symmetry and the
[112:12] beautiful kind of squaring of the circle
[112:16] of you know she is Sylvanas as we know
[112:19] her because she failed A failed to
[112:21] protect her home B wasn't allowed to die
[112:25] get turned into a banshee instead. So
[112:27] successfully defending her home and
[112:29] being allowed to die would be beautiful
[112:32] symmetry but that's not what happened
[112:33] now and then.
[112:34] I'm not saying what will happen is bad
[112:35] but. We shall see.
[112:38] Next one is from George Howard. Thank
[112:40] you for the super chat. Approximately
[112:42] how loud was your gasp during the post
[112:43] march cinematic? Mine was more of a
[112:45] groan but it was also like
[112:49] I went through like many emotions. Yeah.
[112:51] I don't know
[112:52] I really enjoyed it. I thought it was I
[112:54] thought it was super fun outrageously
[112:56] over the top.
[112:57] >> It was so dumb.
[112:58] >> It was so outrageously over the top.
[113:01] But it gave people some people what they
[113:03] needed right?
[113:04] >> I feel like it could have been done but
[113:05] not so dumb. I feel like if you're doing
[113:07] it you have to put she has to be she has
[113:11] to flounce in. She has to claim like you
[113:14] know she has to basically miss with the
[113:16] arrow. She has to say she's the ranger
[113:18] general even though like you say Halford
[113:20] was there. She has to have this like she
[113:22] has the female equivalent of like
[113:24] machismo whatever that is like she's you
[113:26] know.
[113:26] >> I I tell you what I tell you what it
[113:28] was. I think it's because like.
[113:32] Arator and
[113:34] uh.
[113:35] Marisa being in danger.
[113:38] Was so.
[113:40] Out of nowhere. Mhm.
[113:42] >> They weren't in danger. They were out of
[113:44] the fight.
[113:44] >> Sure maybe there's there's something
[113:45] missing there clearly.
[113:47] >> and and like suddenly they're in danger
[113:49] and like that's the thing they're being
[113:50] saved from and it's like no they were
[113:52] never in danger. They were never part of
[113:54] this fight. They weren't in any peril at
[113:56] all. You know it's it's like I don't I
[114:00] don't see the connection between us
[114:02] beating Lurra which is what happens.
[114:04] Mhm. And then.
[114:06] That results in Zalathas being about to
[114:08] kill those two. There's no connection it
[114:11] doesn't like there's no doesn't make
[114:12] sense for me that's like such a
[114:14] disconnect.
[114:14] >> Mhm.
[114:16] That's what makes Sylvanas coming in and
[114:17] saving them so dumb is because actually
[114:19] them being in danger is the dumb thing.
[114:21] I get what you mean. There's a little
[114:22] bit of a. Yeah there's for me there's a
[114:25] huge disconnect there. There's no hint
[114:26] that they were in danger. I don't see.
[114:28] >> Maybe you just missed something.
[114:29] >> see the cause and effect of us beating
[114:31] Lurra and then.
[114:33] Oh because we did this that means
[114:35] Zalathas can kill these two. It doesn't
[114:37] make any sense. I get I get what you
[114:39] mean. Like. For me yeah interesting.
[114:42] Okay I'll have to play through it and
[114:43] see see what is there.
[114:45] Thank you for that one. Next one is from
[114:47] John Angel Angelmo. So I have to ask do
[114:51] you both wear pants while you live
[114:52] stream? You probably saw my knee at some
[114:54] point cuz I sit like this sometime.
[114:55] There you go. I'm wearing pants. I too
[114:58] wear pants. I'm I'm afraid only when we
[115:00] live stream only because we're in the
[115:02] room at the same time together and the
[115:03] temptation otherwise would be just too
[115:05] much.
[115:07] But when I'm here by myself sometimes I
[115:08] don't. I'll just I'll show off my pants
[115:10] while I'm here cuz I'M WEARING PANTS.
[115:14] WHALEBONE corduroy tweed trousers today.
[115:17] >> All right granddad. Yeah. They're all
[115:20] right granddad they're pretty nice.
[115:21] Anyway sorry sorry if you're listening
[115:23] to this on Spotify
[115:27] oh people complaining that wasn't on.
[115:29] Yes I know thank yes I know I've had a
[115:31] busy week thank you.
[115:32] >> been very busy sorry. We'll be with you
[115:34] but
[115:35] these episodes will be up tomorrow for
[115:36] sure. Sorry and I I just want to say
[115:38] actually that has cleared it up in my
[115:40] head. That's the problem I was having
[115:41] with it the cinematic is that. How did
[115:43] we get there? There's no cause and
[115:45] effect like.
[115:47] Us fighting Lurra and defeating Lurra
[115:51] seems completely disconnected from oh so
[115:53] now Zalathas can kill these two. It just
[115:55] doesn't make any like yeah that's the
[115:57] issue I'm having that's my problem with
[115:58] the cinematic. Thank you for allowing me
[115:59] to talk through that thank you.
[116:01] >> go.
[116:02] It's like therapy. And next one is from
[116:04] Tanazir. Thank you so much for the super
[116:06] chat it's amazing. What do you think of
[116:08] the idea of Blizz adding a world
[116:10] criteria to the seasonal achievement?
[116:12] For example season one champion of the
[116:14] dawn so you could do something like
[116:17] reach level 10 in Delver's Journey slash
[116:19] Preyseekers to complete the achievement.
[116:21] Oh I see what you're saying. Yeah yeah.
[116:24] I think that makes sense. Any
[116:25] achievements with rewards for
[116:26] progressing through basically anything
[116:27] I'm into.
[116:28] >> content yeah. Yeah yeah
[116:30] I love that idea. Oh the the little
[116:31] dopamine hits I get I hits I get every
[116:34] time I like complete something in the
[116:35] traveler's log or I complete something
[116:37] on the endeavor list like just by doing
[116:38] stuff out in the world feels good.
[116:40] >> Yeah and you get a lot of that as you
[116:41] kind of progressing through mythic plus
[116:42] and stuff as well and getting those and
[116:44] getting all mats and [ __ ] popping it's
[116:45] nice. I I I like that idea. I think it
[116:48] would be cool.
[116:48] >> Yeah. Make sense.
[116:50] Thank you Tanazir that's lovely. Next
[116:52] one is from disappointed Buddha.
[116:55] Why does Sylvanas look like she got all
[116:57] her buccal fat removed and transferred
[116:59] to her lips? She looks like she got DLS
[117:01] five filter thrown on her. Thank you.
[117:04] >> [sighs and gasps]
[117:05] >> It's just the contrast between her and
[117:08] Zalathas.
[117:09] >> The very expressive and they they are
[117:11] like.
[117:12] Making Zalathas more kind of like less
[117:15] less less yas if I can say that to be
[117:18] honest they're kind of like making her a
[117:19] bit more grotesque gradually.
[117:21] >> Yeah
[117:22] yeah I wouldn't say she's grotesque but.
[117:23] I don't mean grotesque as in
[117:24] unattractive I mean grotesque as in like
[117:27] a grotesque.
[117:28] >> She's not posing so much anymore. She's
[117:30] not like giving us face. Well she's not
[117:33] trying to get.
[117:35] She doesn't need to get anything out of
[117:36] us like
[117:38] Zalathas mask lifted the moment she
[117:40] stabbed Alleria. Yeah yeah. She doesn't
[117:45] need she doesn't need to keep up any
[117:46] pretense with any of us anymore. You
[117:48] know there's that thing of like she was
[117:50] playing a game the game is over. Now
[117:52] she's just like [ __ ] it [ __ ] you guys.
[117:55] >> and you see that in her face whereas
[117:57] Sylvanas is a banshee she's been in this
[118:00] banshee form for quite a while she's
[118:01] been dead for a while. Her face is
[118:03] unmoving and you never see her teeth. I
[118:05] don't know why this like it's just weird
[118:07] to me.
[118:10] They're Exactly maybe they're saving it
[118:13] for like a big reveal or there's
[118:14] something really horrific but
[118:16] yeah I like something
[118:19] yeah. Yeah her their face looks wild
[118:22] but I guess that's part of maybe that's
[118:24] part of the effect.
[118:25] Anyway I'm glad I'm not alone in this
[118:27] assessment.
[118:28] Next one is from Jay Smithy lovely to
[118:31] see you. Hello you lovely individuals.
[118:33] Do you think the void actually fears the
[118:35] Titans? Yeah it could be. Since
[118:37] Shadowlands is supposed to be a Titan
[118:39] construct they fear death. I don't think
[118:43] I think the void fear anything. Like I
[118:46] think the void you know it's like.
[118:49] Do you fear cars if you look both ways
[118:52] before you. No they're not like. It's
[118:54] like you're wary of them. It's like you
[118:56] know they can do you damage but say you
[118:58] fear them. It's like no I don't fear
[119:00] them cuz I know if I do look both ways
[119:02] before I cross the street, if I take the
[119:04] if I take the necessary precautions
[119:07] like the cars cars aren't going to hurt
[119:09] me, right? And I feel like that's the
[119:10] void with everything basically. Yeah,
[119:12] the void like the void isn't sitting
[119:13] there having a chat about like what
[119:15] they're afraid of.
[119:16] >> naive enough to think that nothing can
[119:18] hurt them. No. But they're like I just
[119:20] don't think you will. Yeah.
[119:22] I'm going to I'm going to do everything
[119:23] in my power to make sure you don't stop
[119:24] Exactly. Why would I would she?
[119:27] Um but yeah, great. Thank you for that
[119:28] one. Uh next one is from Powder Gem. I
[119:32] think Sylvanas' moment came too soon for
[119:34] me. I it really feels like she should be
[119:36] the very last person to swoop in, but I
[119:38] think it really shows how alone Zal
[119:40] really is. That's a really good point.
[119:42] Thanks for the stream. That's a really
[119:44] good point, Powder Gem. Zal's half is
[119:46] alone in all [clears throat] of this.
[119:49] She has no allies. Like she literally
[119:52] just has some armies that she bosses
[119:54] around.
[119:55] >> Yeah. And she gets them to do what she
[119:57] wants, but she
[119:58] Oh, this is a really good point. She is
[120:01] extremely alone. Um
[120:03] whereas we have the power of friendship.
[120:07] And and and
[120:09] like a political allyship. Yeah,
[120:11] exactly. We have the power of friendship
[120:13] like relationships of like political
[120:15] convenience.
[120:17] Zal's half has nothing when you think
[120:19] about it.
[120:20] >> Don't you think she likes it that way
[120:21] though? Of course she she loves it. But
[120:24] you know, like makes you think like
[120:26] what's her goal? Well,
[120:28] she just wants
[120:29] >> She wants the world's She wants the
[120:30] world's soul.
[120:32] Maybe cuz she wants to make a friend.
[120:33] >> Yeah. Maybe that's she wants the world's
[120:35] soul to be her friend.
[120:37] Her whole
[120:39] Like her whole thing is like the world's
[120:41] soul will be born.
[120:42] >> Yeah. And she's going to be my BFF. So I
[120:44] I I think something actually that a lot
[120:46] of people will have missed
[120:47] [clears throat] from the cinematic is
[120:48] that
[120:50] Zal's half doesn't just disappear. She
[120:52] travels down through the dark well.
[120:54] >> she goes in there. And that's very
[120:55] important.
[120:56] I think it would have been good to see
[120:58] other things traveling down into the
[120:59] dark well. That's what I expected. Mhm.
[121:02] You know, and I didn't get it at the end
[121:02] of the fight and I didn't get it
[121:05] in the cinematic was I think the idea is
[121:09] lots of stuff has just been transferred
[121:11] through the dark well. Like lots of like
[121:13] voidy baddies and now Zal's half as
[121:16] well. And I feel like maybe that wasn't
[121:18] clear to a lot of people. That's Yeah,
[121:20] but that's a That's a good point
[121:21] actually. But she she just goes like I
[121:23] think that could be made a little bit
[121:24] more explicit.
[121:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh but yeah, this has got me
[121:27] thinking about how yeah, how Zal's half
[121:30] has always been a solo operator, but she
[121:31] is like purely alone. Like no one
[121:33] respects her. No one like
[121:36] you know,
[121:36] like looks up to you know, people don't
[121:39] follow her. She just Well, no.
[121:42] >> Well, she had the Twilight's Blade, but
[121:44] they're all you know.
[121:45] >> Twilight's Blade and also the Shadow
[121:47] Guard. Like I mean in Kresh there's
[121:49] literal encampments of Zal's half
[121:52] worshipers. Oh yeah, they're
[121:53] But like but it's all quite hollow.
[121:56] Anyway, it's it's kind of got me
[121:57] thinking about this. Anyway, thank you.
[121:58] >> Isn't the void well just a hole? If you
[122:00] you can run into the dark well after the
[122:02] raid once it's been completed
[122:04] cuz it all of that's just open. You can
[122:06] just go in
[122:07] and the dark well's there and I ran into
[122:09] it and you start swimming for about half
[122:10] a second before you die.
[122:12] But you do start swimming. You're like
[122:14] and then you die. Just kills you. Yeah.
[122:17] >> [laughter]
[122:18] >> Did she go down or up? She went down.
[122:20] >> down.
[122:23] Uh next one is from the Mars Art
[122:25] Groupie. Lovely to see you. Hate my
[122:27] anxiety. Sylvanas mentions a price for
[122:29] returning and I'm like did Nathanos
[122:31] sacrifice himself?
[122:33] >> [laughter]
[122:34] >> That'd be so funny. Oh no.
[122:36] She didn't so much say that there was a
[122:38] price because that would have made me
[122:39] think of that as well. She says it takes
[122:41] its toll. So that does specify
[122:43] specifically to her, doesn't it? Uh no,
[122:46] no. The toll could be taken
[122:48] >> No, it's not I have to pay a toll. It's
[122:49] it's takes its toll.
[122:51] >> its toll on
[122:53] I don't know. I think it's pretty open.
[122:55] Nothing indicated that. Why am I like
[122:56] this? Oh [laughter] my
[122:58] I love how your brain went there.
[123:00] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[123:01] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[123:01] I I I I I I I kind of like it. I kind of
[123:03] like it.
[123:04] And the last one is from Moxen. Maybe
[123:07] Sylvanas will take over Ennares' body to
[123:09] replace her own rotting corpse and kick
[123:11] Zally out.
[123:13] I wonder where Ennares' soul is
[123:15] mentally. Ennares is Zal's half's like
[123:18] body giver.
[123:19] >> we killed
[123:20] in in the BFA quest. You did that.
[123:22] You did that.
[123:23] >> It was me. Well, you too. Yeah, I did
[123:25] that.
[123:26] >> [laughter]
[123:26] >> But you know.
[123:27] Um ooh. Uh yeah, I mean that could be
[123:30] cool. I I feel like Sylvanas could get a
[123:32] new body anytime she wanted. She doesn't
[123:34] really want a new body. No, she wants
[123:35] she wants She's okay with with Nathanos
[123:38] having a new body who also happens to be
[123:39] his cousin. But for her she's just like
[123:42] nah like
[123:44] have you seen me? Yeah.
[123:47] Seen how hot I am? Um but yeah, and I do
[123:51] love I do love the idea of seeing Zal's
[123:52] half's true form at some point. Like
[123:54] that's definitely got to be
[123:56] got to be on the cards.
[123:57] >> sure she even has a true form though.
[123:59] >> She's just Even if it's like horrible
[124:01] energy. We've seen her as a mortal.
[124:02] We've seen her as like a void being in
[124:05] the flashback quests. I have no doubt I
[124:07] have no doubt that like she does look
[124:09] like something now. Like when when we
[124:11] fight her there'll be a part of the
[124:13] fight where she turns into some big
[124:14] tentacley thing, right? For sure. Yeah.
[124:16] >> But like a really nasty one. And also I
[124:19] think you know, it's pretty much on the
[124:20] cards that Nathanos is going to pop up
[124:21] at some point as well. So
[124:23] yeah, I'm I'm I'm really really
[124:25] interested as to where the story's going
[124:27] to go next. I think the next patch
[124:31] you know, I mean we're all looking at
[124:32] the Isle of Fangs. That seems to be
[124:33] setting up quite heavily
[124:36] and uh Utech
[124:38] um and that big island off the off the
[124:40] coast of
[124:41] you know, that seems to me pretty
[124:44] explicitly being set up as a
[124:45] as a new
[124:47] um patch zone which seems to be point
[124:49] one.
[124:51] Uh
[124:51] hot tip, if you want to explore that
[124:54] island Oh. don't go on a shaman and do
[124:57] farsight. That's boring. Go into the
[124:59] Windrunner Spire dungeon because the
[125:01] Windrunner Spire dungeon recreates
[125:04] all of
[125:06] uh the
[125:07] midnight zones as part of its just view
[125:11] from the spire. So you can then jump off
[125:13] of the spire, land in the sea, swim It's
[125:17] going to take you a while. Swim to the
[125:19] island of Utech where it there's nothing
[125:22] to push you out cuz they didn't think
[125:23] anyone would do it and you can just walk
[125:25] around and have a little explore if you
[125:26] like.
[125:27] Very nice.
[125:29] >> That's the kind of thing you want to do.
[125:30] >> might have to do that. It won't be long
[125:31] before you're exploring it just as the
[125:33] game intended anyway, but if you really
[125:34] want to
[125:36] give it a go. Needle hot
[125:38] tip, Tally. [laughter] Thank you. Yeah,
[125:40] always the whole Eastern Kingdoms in the
[125:41] Windrunner dungeon. That's awesome.
[125:43] Yeah.
[125:45] Right. Um yeah, so there we are. Thank
[125:47] you to everyone who
[125:48] jumped in with the super chat there.
[125:50] Much appreciated. Thank you to everyone
[125:51] who joined in this chat about the
[125:54] cinematic.
[125:55] Can I just get some reactions to the
[125:56] cinematic in chat real quick? Like uh
[125:59] Yeah. Say something. Positive, negative.
[126:01] Just suggest whether you thought it was
[126:02] good or not. Good, bad.
[126:05] I'm seeing you know
[126:07] very clearly mixed. Generally the
[126:08] reactions to the void spire cinematic
[126:10] were very good. I thought it was like
[126:11] clever. There was a really good payoff.
[126:14] Uh
[126:16] generally I'm seeing people not so
[126:18] thrilled with this one and it's very
[126:19] easy to see why. Yeah, of course.
[126:21] There's a character with a lot of
[126:23] baggage. Like you know. And there's
[126:25] there was lots of things that I really
[126:26] liked about it and lots Well, just
[126:28] seeing
[126:29] the Rissa in a cinematic She's so
[126:34] pretty.
[126:34] >> Yeah. Like I like her. She's waited so
[126:37] long to be in a cinematic.
[126:39] >> And it was so good That was like
[126:40] honestly my favorite part of it was
[126:41] seeing her in it. I was like yeah,
[126:44] that's the Windrunner I want to see in
[126:45] this cinematic.
[126:46] >> with Sylvanas. I thought that was the
[126:47] best the best part of it. I thought it
[126:49] was good.
[126:50] Um It was okay, kind of short.
[126:53] It's a raid ending cinematic which means
[126:56] it has to like it has to be short enough
[126:59] so that loot is still rollable by the
[127:02] time you finish watching it. And this
[127:03] isn't even a joke. Like it can't be too
[127:06] long because you have to be able to
[127:08] watch it in its entirety and then still
[127:11] be able to roll on the loot when you
[127:12] come out of it. Like
[127:15] I know it sounds stupid, but that's like
[127:17] a genuine consideration.
[127:20] >> [laughter]
[127:21] >> Like that is that's a genuine
[127:23] confinement you have with raid ending
[127:24] cinematics.
[127:26] >> [laughter]
[127:29] >> Yeah. All right.
[127:31] Uh thank you guys and thank you to
[127:32] everyone who joined us on this unusual
[127:35] day to be recording. Glad to see so many
[127:38] of you turn out for it. It's much
[127:39] appreciated. Thank you to 100% not
[127:42] Thundaz. Thank you for that and jumping
[127:44] in with the last one. Hey fam, have
[127:46] popped in and out when the conversation
[127:47] felt safe from spoilers.
[127:49] >> Appreciate you, Thundaz. Thank you.
[127:50] >> Thanks for the incredible content.
[127:51] Looking forward to watching this
[127:52] episode.
[127:53] >> Yeah, and and like cinematic analysis
[127:55] will be coming out soon as well and I
[127:57] won't put any spoilers in the um
[128:00] thumbnail for that because you know, you
[128:02] don't want it, do you? Let's not. Yeah,
[128:04] not before story mode. And then the
[128:05] second story mode hits, that thumbnail
[128:06] is going to be spoiler
[128:08] just so you know.
[128:09] >> [laughter]
[128:10] >> Um so yeah, I like but I'm all in all
[128:13] and I know there's one more kind of
[128:15] campaign chapter to go
[128:17] where presumably we're sorting out the
[128:19] dark well, right?
[128:20] But
[128:21] yeah, I I think I think Midnight has
[128:24] been
[128:25] an absolute top shelf expansion so far.
[128:27] I have to say. I feel like what a great
[128:30] opening. Like this the stakes were high.
[128:34] All the story felt very immediate. You
[128:36] know, I always knew where I was with the
[128:38] story and what was going on and what the
[128:39] stakes were. And yeah, it felt like a
[128:42] big invasion by the end and that we were
[128:44] fighting for our lives. I just There was
[128:46] a lot that I really have loved about
[128:49] Midnight.
[128:50] >> so far. Same. I've I've had such a good
[128:52] time in Midnight like both in terms of
[128:54] mechanically like systems wise.
[128:56] >> Yeah. It's felt like, you know, pretty
[128:58] good.
[128:59] Um, and the story and the story rollout
[129:03] has been really neat. I've been having a
[129:04] good time.
[129:04] >> Yeah. Um,
[129:06] jury is still open on the whole like
[129:08] difficulty thing. We'll have to come
[129:10] back on that one. But yeah, uh, so thank
[129:12] you for joining us um, for this
[129:13] discussion. We'll be back next week with
[129:16] another podcast. That'll be on Thursday.
[129:17] So, we'll see you in eight days.
[129:20] >> Um, uh, oh, that reminds me of the Mario
[129:22] movie that I'm going to see tomorrow.
[129:24] >> [laughter]
[129:25] >> Thank you everyone who watched this
[129:26] recording live on Twitch and YouTube.
[129:28] Thank you to everyone watching the VOD
[129:29] on YouTube later. Thank you to everyone
[129:30] listening on your preferred podcast
[129:32] listening platforms. From me, Tali Esen.
[129:34] >> And me, Evitel.
[129:35] >> Until next time. Cheerio.
[129:37] >> Bye.