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title: 'This Episode Contains Spoilers For The March on Quel''Danas Cinematic - A WoW Podcast, Obviously 66'
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# This Episode Contains Spoilers For The March on Quel'Danas Cinematic - A WoW Podcast, Obviously 66

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## Summary

In this episode of the World of Warcraft podcast, hosts Taliesin and Evitel discuss the latest patch content for Midnight, including the March on Quel'Danas campaign, the Void Spire raid, and the controversial cinematic featuring Sylvanas's return. They also read and react to Blizzard's April Fools' Day patch notes, share their gearing progress, and field super chats from viewers.

### Key Points

- **April Fools' Patch Notes** [14:38] — The hosts read Blizzard's 2026 April Fools' patch notes, which parody role-playing content, housing, and class balance. They find humor in the 'Mythic Plus Plus Plus' dungeon mode and the 'Hardcore Housing' concept, but note the existential dread of the mortgage jokes.
- **Campaign Quest: March on Quel'Danas** [31:02] — Taliesin describes the campaign scenario where players assault the bridge to Quel'Danas alongside NPCs like Lor'themar, Liadrin, and Arator. He praises the immersive atmosphere and the inclusion of various elven factions, but criticizes Arator's weak comebacks against Xal'atath.
- **Story Mode Delay Frustration** [56:00] — Both hosts express frustration that story mode for the raid is delayed by a week, forcing players who want to see the story to pug the raid on normal. They argue that story mode should be available immediately to allow players to experience the narrative without spoilers.
- **Sylvanas Returns in Cinematic** [72:00] — The cinematic reveals Sylvanas returning from the Maw to save her sisters, Alleria and Vereesa, from Xal'atath. Taliesin finds the moment campy and over-the-top, while Evitel appreciates the emotional reunion between the Windrunner sisters.
- **Shadowlands Retcon Theory** [81:10] — Taliesin theorizes that Blizzard is retconning the Shadowlands to be a Titan construct rather than the true realm of death, restoring the original lore from Chronicle. He sees this as a 'reverse retcon' that cleans up the messy Shadowlands expansion lore.
- **Void Fears Sylvanas Theory** [90:57] — Evitel proposes that the void does not fear death itself, but specifically Sylvanas, because in every possible future the void sees, the only one where they lose involves Sylvanas. This makes her an omen of their defeat, not a chosen one.
- **Penance vs. Redemption** [100:19] — Taliesin clarifies that Sylvanas is serving penance in the Maw, not seeking redemption. He emphasizes that penance is punishment, not forgiveness, and that Sylvanas does not need to be redeemed to be an interesting character.

### Conclusion

The hosts are overall positive about Midnight's opening patch, praising the storytelling and gradual raid rollout, but they remain divided on the Sylvanas cinematic and its implications for the future of the lore.

## Transcript

[music]
>> Hello internet. My name is Taliesin. And
I'm Evitel. And welcome to a world
podcast episode number 66. 66
and we are on route to another fantastic
podcast, ladies and gentlemen. We're on
route to 69.
Oh well, I mean now you mention it.
I haven't got a birthday for like
another 9 months or something. What are
you What are you talking about? Welcome
everyone. Hi, how are we doing? Oh,
we've got We've got stream session going
on here. Hi, how are we all? How are
things? Welcome to the chat people who
are in chat. I can't see the chat.
What's going on? Why can't I see the
chat? Oh, there it is. Okay, excellent.
Um
>> are here on a Wednesday, bit out of
character for us. Uh Unexpected, isn't
it? If you don't follow us on socials,
you'd never have known. You don't have
alerts on for We were 3 minutes late,
but technically we were almost 24 hours
early. We were 23 hours and 57 minutes
early is what we were doing. That was a
Good joke. I really like that. Thank
you. That was nice. Welcome. Oh, I It's
going to be a good show, I can tell you.
And I know it's going to be a good show
because we've got some amazing things to
talk about.
>> god. There is going to be
>> Yes, we are. Well, pretty much for most
of this episode, although not right now,
there is going to I like I'm just going
to be wearing this on my shoulder. Oh,
he's dead.
He can't be dead.
>> There's another one behind you. Don't
Don't worry, Evitel, cuz even though
he's dead, I've got a feeling he might
come back.
I I think he might come back. Oh,
because we're going to be talking raid
spoilers, cinematic spoilers from the uh
the March of the Kaldorei cinematic
and I'm I'm currently writing a
cinematic analysis of it. I I'm toying
with calling the cinematic analysis the
dumbest [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life.
>> [laughter]
>> Uh but I don't know. I'm looking forward
cuz I'm I'm thinking about this way too
much. I'm looking forward to hearing
people talk about it in chat. I'm
looking forward to hearing Evitel's uh
opinions on it as well.
I mean, I think that sums it up pretty
splendidly. Yeah. Uh but not just that,
of course, because it's April Fools' DAY
AS WELL. DO you know how I know it's
April Fools' Day? Do you know how I know
it's April Fools' Day? How do you know?
Cuz I opened my [ __ ] vault. And I
looked inside that and I was like, "Now
I remember." That's the only good April
Fools' joke I've heard today. That's
literally the only It just Every year I
don't know Is it because I'm old? Like
every year it just gets worse and worse.
There was a sweet spot where I would
kind of like willingly fall for things
and it felt good, but now I'm just like
>> [laughter]
>> All right. I You know, I'm just shaking
my head and everything. Oh, I'm sorry.
Look, I I remember seeing that
a couple of days ago or something. I saw
Mr. GM tweet that, you know, his his
planned April Fools' joke was evil. Oh,
wow.
>> Yeah. Uh so I want I I I haven't noticed
it. I haven't seen it online, so
hopefully it was. Of course, April
Fools' Day is over now. All your jokes
have to be done before midday and we are
well after midday. It's here. Americans
are just waking up. Oh, yeah, I guess
so.
>> of foolishness ahead of them.
Do you think people thought we were
joking about doing our podcast today
early? It's incredibly possible.
>> we're doing our podcast daily
nothing to do with World of Warcraft,
nothing to do with the podcast, I'm
afraid. It's not because it's like, "Oh,
they want to talk about the cinematic or
anything like that." No. No. Um it's
because I'm going to see the Super Mario
movie with my son tomorrow.
Uh at normal podcast time. He's going
for a friend's birthday. The friend's
dad invited me to come along and
basically help him look after the kids.
And I was like, "Yes, please."
>> Imagine going to see the new Super Mario
movie with your buddies. Yeah. Like, you
know,
>> god, you're 6 years old. Super Mario
Galaxy movie has just come out. It's
school holidays. It's your friend's
birthday. You're going to go You're
going to go with your dad who you love
and all of your buds and you're going to
go watch some Mario Oh, yeah.
going to eat some snacks. I hadn't
thought of it that way. This is going to
be like one of the best moments of his
entire little life so far, isn't it?
He's He's going to be so He's going to
be so excited. I hope he realizes how
how lucky he is and how life will never
be as good. I know.
>> [laughter]
>> Even when he can go to the pub, it won't
be quite as good.
>> Yeah. So for us it's just a Oh, we can't
do the podcast kind of thing, but for
him it's going to be a special day. It's
going to be a special day for Penny,
too, because I'm while that's happening,
I'm going to take her climbing. We're
going to go to Crazy Climb.
>> Oh, are you? Yeah, cuz it's right there.
Are you going to Are you going to climb
as well?
>> No, I'm going to watch her climb. No,
you should. I I took Annie to Crazy
Climb and I didn't climb and I regret
it. I really really regret it. I like I
wish I had climbed as well. So I'm just
I would bear that in mind if I was you
cuz it's really fun looking. It's really
cool. Anyway, this isn't irrelevant at
all. Guys, if you don't want us to talk
about the cinematic and I've done it
all, by the way. I I I came on this
morning, all right? I I came on. I saw
the cinematic last night
on my phone as I was putting my boy to
bed as usual. But and and then I woke up
this morning and I opened my vault and
you know, almost threw my
almost threw my PC out the window, if
I'm being completely honest. And then I
I did the intro scenario, which we'll
talk about as well, this week's kind of
campaign quest. And then I pugged it
normal.
And at the moment with the amount that
everyone is very geared because because,
you know, like there's just a lot of
gear around at the moment because of
Mythic Plus and stuff like that.
I feel like normal is is pretty much
story mode right now. You can go in. It
might take It's cuz two pulls on each
boss.
And we and we absolutely nailed it. Um
so so I could see the cinematic in
context and I could see like all the
dialogue and the quests and stuff like
that in context. And the new skybox as
well.
Spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers. But if you
don't want us to talk about any of that,
then well, you can't stop us, but
frankly, but you can get us to talk
about other stuff as well with a little
bit of money. Just send us a little bit
of your hard earned way and we'll talk
about whatever you want. How? How? Not
just in any way. In one specific way.
You put it in an envelope just like
Blizzard do and send it to us just like
Blizzard do with, you know, what you
want us to talk about just like Blizzard
do. Your favorite clone of perfume on
there like Ian does and then just uh
yeah.
Uh people in chat pointing out that
Annie, our son, is three expansions old
right now. Well, actually, he was born
in BFA.
He was born in BFA. So Shadowlands,
Dragonflight, War Within. This is his
fifth expansion. He was
>> [ __ ] weekly reset intro scenarios
uh like intro skits with me holding him
on camera and it's BFA.
Right, of course, cuz it was the Xy'era.
Yeah. Of course.
>> Yeah, the really famous story about how
we were raiding and you had to go into
labor and it was like a BFA raid. I
always associate This is terrible. I
always kind of associate him with
Shadowlands because I was pregnant like
heavily pregnant with him on stage for
BlizzCon when they were talking about
it.
>> Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, when the
Shadowlands was revealed, I guess. Yeah.
I was it was
Don't worry.
Okay. It was like a really
Uh it's towards the end of of BFA, I
guess.
Uh yeah, it was like a point three. But
anyway,
we killed the dragon. He was born. This
is now his fifth expansion.
Which is wild, really, when you think
about it. Absolutely crazy. Almost as
many expansions as he is years old. And
granted, like he's he's only a little
bit into midnight and he came at the end
of BFA. So like if we're doing full
expansions,
>> [laughter]
[clears throat]
>> So that must mean That must mean that
um that
Penny was born at the end of
Shadowlands surely.
I would Maybe I I might have to look
that one up. Yeah, yeah. The time works
differently during Shadowlands. Yeah,
who knows? Anyway, how do they make us
talk about something that isn't this
baby [ __ ] You can uh throw us a super
chat on YouTube uh if you're watching
over there. Yeah, drop us a super chat.
Uh let us know what you're thinking. Let
us know what you'd like us to talk
about.
Uh you know, let us just just give us
your thoughts. We are reading super
chats. Also on YouTube,
big news coming up this month. We are
going to mostly for your benefit, uh
live listeners, we're going to turn on
memberships. How exciting. I don't
understand what you're saying.
>> You don't have to understand because I
cuz I do it. So basically, we are going
to
uh we're going to turn on memberships on
YouTube, but like specifically so that
you guys can have badges in chat. Is
that Is that it?
>> Like literally
literally just like you guys are
>> mean, that's cool. I like badges.
They're fine. You guys get badges in
chat. Like we'll come up with other fun
things. Like particularly cuz we want to
do We want to do you folks, like the
live listeners and then everyone else
cuz we love everyone else, too.
Uh we want to give you guys a little
something special cuz we appreciate you.
And we are like I know that there's a
there's like a live listening audience.
There are people who just watch the main
videos. There are people who, because
I've looked at the analytics, watch
Oh, no, no, there are people who watch
our main videos and then unsubscribe
when we do a live podcast.
So, there you know, there there there
are lots of folks out here and we want
to we want to basically give you guys a
little something fun. Okay. That people
unsubscribe every video you put out.
And like any video we put out, people
unsubscribe. That's like That's how it
works.
>> but sometimes there are more subscribers
than un- Oh.
>> subscribers.
>> Right. Um and sometimes Hopefully
hopefully always. Well, that's the idea.
Well, with podcasts it's a slightly
different story.
>> Yeah. Uh but yeah, so we're going to be
uh we'll be doing that. But that will
come later this month. Uh in the
meantime, if you want to just drop us a
super chat to discuss, chit-chat, talk,
question,
uh let us know. Yeah.
>> That's That's what we are here for.
>> you just keep talking. I am. I'm Yeah.
Uh yeah, so uh today yeah, uh if you
would like to avoid spoilers,
um then probably that's not
>> keep talking. Come on, you're
professional. Go go go.
>> I am talking. I am talking.
Uh badges and custom emojis, yeah,
exactly. Basically, we want to replicate
all the good stuff that happens on
Twitch and give it to you here. Okay.
>> Um but yeah, so uh that is the plan.
Uh I so
regarding the cinematic, I have not yet
done the raid.
I did manage to do Void Spire yesterday.
>> Uh-huh. Uh with a guild, which is great.
Which is fantastic.
Did you You weren't in a very good mood
when you did it. I came up and you were
in a right state.
>> I was because because I was so excited
to finally do it and then I'm like,
"Dude, I am so geared. I'm like 255.
I'm like I'm on top of this. Like I've
got a couple of hero pieces. I'm
absolutely rolling." And um
and then I was like second to last DPS
the whole time.
>> Yeah. You don't read guides, do you? I
do Listen, listen, I I love you. You are
the love of my life. You're my favorite
person on earth.
But I've never met anyone so bad at
taking advice. You refuse to. And like
you take it you you refuse to take
advice in any situation.
>> advice.
>> you could you could be like
you could be like um
in a in a plane cockpit and like the
pilot has a heart attack and dies and
you're like, "Shit, I've got to land the
plane." And they're like, "Okay, we've
got a pilot on the line for you. He's
going to explain how to land the plane."
You'll be like, "DON'T TELL ME WHAT the
[ __ ] to do. Shut the [ __ ] up." You'd be
like you don't you you wouldn't actually
say shut the [ __ ] up. What you do is you
go very stoic and you'd be like, "Mhm.
Mhm. Mhm." And like the the guy the
pilot on on the phone would be like,
"This is how to land the plane. These
are the buttons to press." And you'd be
like, "Mhm. Mhm." But you wouldn't be
listening and you wouldn't do it. Cuz
you would refuse. You'd be like And
look, I I think that's something I love
about you because 99% of the time it
works out cuz you're very capable and
very lovely.
>> I am very capable.
>> I'm very clever. But 1% of the time
sometimes it doesn't.
>> [clears throat]
>> Yeah. You know? And and I I feel like
perhaps
reading a guide, because there are lots
even though the class is very simple
>> the time.
>> Okay, well, okay.
>> play I'm a hunter. I can't play without
a guide.
I watched
You know what it is? It's literally my
PC. It's like my cool
>> sounds are like Oh, we blaming the
tools? Is that what we're doing? Is that
how we're going to run this?
>> This is why I don't want to play World
of Warcraft anymore.
>> matter it doesn't matter how many times
I tell you to put your mouth closer to
the microphone so people don't complain
about the the like
>> then I won't look at you at all.
>> just doesn't matter.
You won't do it because that's just the
way we are.
>> Yeah, so it's
yeah, I know I
>> that, as is traditional on April the
1st, we have had Blizzard drop a
hilarious
April the 1st post. Now, I'm assuming
it's hilarious cuz I haven't read it,
okay? But they're always hilarious.
They're little joke blue posts, right?
So, what we're going to do is, okay,
we're going to do a like, you know, try
and make Tally laugh session where you
read me the hilarious
April the 1st blue post and if I laugh,
I lose.
Oh, well. Well,
I've got news for you. I don't think
this one is a classic.
>> [laughter]
>> Oh, no, I lost.
Yeah, that was like a menacing laugh.
Like that
>> [laughter]
>> was quite funny.
Yeah, but like that's kind of laugh you
you make when you see someone you don't
like fall on their ass. [laughter]
Um I I don't think this one is going to
go down into like the annals of history.
But you know, that's I just skimmed it.
I skimmed it and my problem was that
that I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's a
good idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I'd like to implement that."
>> the feedback I'm getting, actually.
Yeah yeah
yeah.
>> actually
I I want I want that in a kind of a
serious way." Yeah, more than ever
before, people are like, "Actually, no,
yeah, that, please. That would be really
good."
>> Yeah. So, shall we shall we do a little
run down of the
of this? The only other time that's ever
happened was during Shadowlands where
the April the Fool they I'm I'm
surprised they did one during
Shadowlands. But the April the 1st Why
am I speaking about Shadowlands so much?
Who knows? Maybe it's on my mind.
>> know.
>> Um
the the April the 1st post they put out
was like, "Yeah, anything.
We'll take [ __ ] anything." [laughter]
That that [ __ ] April the 1st I Yeah,
we'll we'll take it. Let's Let's go.
Let's do it.
Um so uh here we go. Here is our
uh 2026 edition of the World of Warcraft
April Fools patch notes. Um
Dare I Oh, I'll start.
>> Should I Should I bring them up on
screen?
>> Yeah, I've got them I've got them up
here.
>> Okay, let me uh I've got to press a
button to make that happen.
>> the one and only Kybax. Who I
appreciate. You know what I mean? Make
the uh make the text a bit bigger so
people can see it better on the screen.
How's that?
>> pretty good.
Uh World of Warcraft patch 12.0.9.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah. Sorry, did I lose?
>> Yeah. 9 minutes after midnight, working
title.
>> Quite funny. Production notes. This
patch is going to be a real
crowd-pleaser when we reveal it via a
series of elaborate videos. Please do
not forward this document to anyone.
Okay, that's quite funny. Okay.
>> Like cuz it's [clears throat] it's
making fun of like the way that they
reveal midnight. Yeah. Yeah, and like
the midnight kind of reveal the game.
So, it's making fun of that. And I like
the self-awareness. I think that's quite
Okay. Okay, I'm not laughing.
>> Yeah. But you're you're nodding. You're
nodding.
>> of foreplay. I'm enjoying it. Yeah,
totally.
Please do not forward this document to
anyone so that we can avoid leaks and
everyone can continue doing great work.
Remember what happened last time? It was
horrible. Maybe not as horrible as when
you get takeout and discover a missing
item only after you get home, but it was
bad. Maybe not as bad as when you drop
your phone and it lands on your foot at
what feels like terminal velocity, but
it was awful. Okay, thank you very much
for not leaking these notes. Has anyone
ever been upset when they drop their
phone on their foot? Surely what you
feel is relief cuz you're like, "Oh,
thank god it landed on my foot and not
and not on the hard concrete on which
I'm standing." It broke the little
delicate bones. Like yeah.
Break my foot 100 times over before you
break my phone, please. Yeah,
absolutely. Okay, right. I don't relate.
Sorry. Bad start.
>> point, new content for role players
only.
I mean Am I a joke to you? What? I know.
I was like, "Wait, actually Yes, please.
Although I have to say that midnight is
very good for role players so far with
housing and the Arcan tina and just
general like
I know all the different phases of
Silvermoon as you progress in the story.
It It makes it quite difficult for role
players cuz people are in different
phases and and and like at different
levels of the story and stuff like that.
But whatever. Who knows? Let's go. Okay,
wait. I I now that I'm reading this,
this is actually quite funny. Okay.
>> Well, I'll be the judge of that.
Uh large role play instances. In large
role play instances, you'll need to
meticulously plan to role play together
with up to two dozen other role players
as you join up to explore fantastic new
ideas, new areas filled with
opportunities for expression, non-player
characters that we're calling bosses,
but you're free to call them anything
you like. Each offer you a new and
carefully decorated stage area with
dialogue and narrative intentions of
their own. This patch includes over 50
large role play instances for you to
discover with a big groups of your
co-stars.
Role play fighting. We've noticed that
role players appear to be missing a key
element of storytelling, fictional
violence. In role play fighting, you'll
finally have access to role play areas
we're calling battlegrounds and arenas
where you can incorporate low-stakes
pretend combat into your narratives.
Express yourselves in fictional
altercations with other role players.
And when the story results in your
character's death, don't worry. You
won't lose anything at all and you'll be
restored to that You can You'll be
restored so that you can return to your
role play session with only a brief
delay.
Do you have four co-stars that you
regularly role play with?
We have great It's the It's Yeah, I get
it. I get it. It's like it's a fun It's
a funny concept. It's funny in its
relentlessness. I like it. Um we have
great news for you. Over 120 new areas
for five performer role playing have
been added to wow. Befitting their size
and scope, smaller role play instances
include only about five stages and each
stage they're in includes a default
story for you to add your own narrative.
>> look, I appreciate I appreciate the
thinking behind this joke. I appreciate
the concept behind the joke. I don't
dislike the joke. What I will say is I'm
very worried that this is their opener.
Yeah, well. All right, like I feel like
that's a funny joke, but it's not an
opening joke.
I'm worried for the rest of it. Yeah.
Okay, no, that was funny. I like the
concept. Trick role players into going
into raids and dungeons. That's good.
That's good. That's excellent. Yeah.
New character customization, tails.
Players have been asking for years and
we're finally delivering. That's right.
Dwarfs can now have tails if they want
to. This is a purely optional
customization. Please let us know what
else you'd like to see added to the
customization options for the noble
dwarf race.
That one's good because it might make
people online angry. The good ones are
the ones that make people online angry.
Like
who was it? Was it Method or or Liquid
or
the other one, Echo, who put out one
today which was like a fake blue post of
Blizzard apologizing for banning weak
auras and saying they were bringing
back.
That's funny cuz people get angry and
like people get very passionate about
it.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, sorry. Okay. New
dungeon mode, mythic plus plus plus.
Okay [laughter]
that gets a chuckle from me. That gets a
chuckle from me. Yeah.
Uh have you ever felt like you're
playing alongside someone who can't see?
In this new two-person dungeon mode,
you'll team up with a complete strangers
who is from a different faction that
you've never met before and you won't
even be able to talk to each other at
first. Try tapping out a code or giving
them a thumbs up. In mythic plus plus
plus, you and your partner can't share
the same air, but you can share in a
dungeon adventure together. Once you
trauma bond over your individually
devastating backstories, words of
encouragement. Hopefully, your new
partner will be incredibly good at
everything you're hilariously bad at
doing. Amaze amaze amaze. I kind of like
the like slightly dadaist absurd humor.
This this this
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what
they're going for. It's like you just
don't you don't appreciate dadaist
absurd humor.
>> Yeah, like it's
like I like the tone of this and that
it's like just completely goofy ass
[ __ ] Like
>> [laughter]
>> I I appreciate it. New dungeon, city
boy.
I really don't want to read this, but
here we go. Okay, so this new dungeon
hits different. It's basically snatched
giving absolute chaos energy like so
delulu. Imagine pulling up with your
aura farming besties and the brain rot
is instantly out of pocket. The whole
place is low-key haunted, but also
high-key chopped with fire mobs that
straight up do not pass the vibe check
and bosses that are built different, no
cap. Stack properly or get deleted in 4K
and you're cooked like in your flop era
wipe maxing.
Big yikes. Overall, this one's looking
pretty goated, but everyone in your
squad will have to understand the
assignment so that you can say you ate
no crumbs.
I feel like they asked me to write that.
I feel like they were like
who's the oldest person
who works here?
Can you write like a young person?
Okay, so apparently the mythic plus plus
plus is a reference to Project Hail Mary
which everyone loves and has watched and
I have not yet seen.
>> Okay, great. Fantastic.
>> it. I missed the big I missed the big
jokes. Okay. Okay. It only just came out
in this country though. It's only been
out like a week.
You can't expect me to watch a movie in
the first week that it comes out.
That one that hurt
>> maxing? I thought you said wife maxing.
>> Oh, yeah, no, you've already got that
one, too. It's like
really hurt me to read that one out
loud. So, let me recover for a second.
>> Okay. Okay, hardcore housing. Veteran
World of Warcraft players will know the
game is at its best when you're on the
verge of being completely wiped out.
Now the time has come to put your entire
house on the line with hardcore housing.
Okay, I like this concept. In hardcore
In hardcore housing, you'll sign an
irrevocable contract that nobody fully
reads anyway committing to a mortgage,
insurance, and maintenance costs that
must be paid every month or you'll lose
it all.
>> I don't know if I I don't know if I can
listen to the rest of this. It's making
me anxious.
>> I know. Every month thereafter, you'll
experience the deep satisfaction that
can only come from the escaping utter
ruined utter ruined through something
close to sheer luck. Head to the
Undermine to get started on an adventure
that you'll be on for the rest of your
life and earn these unique rewards. A
one-time only grace period on your
monthly payments, a voucher for changing
your adjustable rate mortgage to a fixed
rate mortgage for a fee. Fixed rate is
non-negotiable non-transferable and
surprisingly surprisingly
non-deterministic. Voucher can only be
used in Undermine on the last day of the
month. A 20% buff to your house's fire
resistance,
a special item, the go bag, which holds
a few of your most beloved small pieces
of decor. That one also hurt me to read.
Yeah,
this isn't funny. Yeah, this isn't
making me laugh. This is making me cry.
This is reminding me of
everything I hate. [laughter]
I I like the concept of hardcore
housing. I thought it was going to be
funny, but no. No, it wasn't It was too
real.
>> No. Decor yourself. Feedback from
housing enthusiasts has been pouring in
and players unanimously want to
transform themselves into decor and see
what the world is like from the
perspective of a elegant almond table
>> That that is
Wait, that's unironically what's coming
next patch.
>> Now you can with decor yourself.
>> Well, no,
that's literally the new game play mode
next patch.
The decor yourself toy allows you to
transform into any piece of decor in
your collection. It preserves your
It's not an April Fools' joke. They're
literally they're doing it. But it
preserves your transmog.
But
What? Are they
Did no one go we can't do that in the
April Fools' post because it's an actual
thing we're doing? Wow. Wait. Wait.
Wait. What's the Oh, wait. Wait.
Wait, this one's really good. Okay, this
one's great.
>> [laughter]
>> With the previous patch and some
incredibly lucky late night hot fixing,
we're proud to announce that we reached
perfect balance across all classes in
our internal testing analysis facility,
which is a real thing that we will not
talk about any further. Thus, this patch
has no need for any class changes. We'd
like to take this opportunity to thank
everyone who provided the key points of
feedback we always needed to reach this
incredible milestone. You know who you
are.
Hunters, all damage and pet damage
decreased [laughter] by 5%.
>> [laughter]
>> It's It's always the class balance stuff
that makes me laugh.
Oh, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE?
>> [laughter]
>> OKAY, that's funny.
Man yeah.
Yeah, Randy's killing me. Okay.
New from the wow classic development
team.
Remember how it felt when an immersive
new kind of game play was first added to
World of Warcraft so long ago?
In those early days of the feature
before it was updated and expanded over
the months that followed, got to
experience their first steps into
something truly fresh. We on the classic
development team are excited to announce
that we're developing classic housing, a
return to the six weeks of housing
before it was forever changed by
Indefatigable experience. [laughter]
Yeah. That's funny. In classic
[laughter] housing,
you'll You'll return to a simpler time
with a slower pace. I actually miss that
time. Do you? Oh, do
And you'll rediscover friends in the
neighborhood that you probably haven't
seen making a change to their houses in
what feels like forever. It's true. I
never go back now. Coming summer 2039.
We're very busy. Wait, like look,
everything's front-loaded this season.
You're going to have a lot of time to go
back to housing. I promise. You're going
to have a a lot of time to go back.
Yeah.
Coming summer 2039.
>> [laughter]
>> Wow. This Okay, I would call I I I don't
know if I'd call this as like an April
Fools' post. I would call this a like a
a soul-crushing kind of like existential
like just slap in the face. I think they
pulled it back at the end there. I
thought it I thought it was good at the
end. I like that.
The guy from The Incredibles with like
his face burned out. Like I literally
reading this whole thing.
Yeah. The The mortgage thing hit too
hard.
>> thing hit hard
All of this All of this hit too hard. I
I [laughter]
I didn't like it.
Okay,
thank you. Thank god we don't have to do
that segment again for another year.
>> [laughter]
>> Man, that was a That was a That one was
was kind of dark. Um wait, actually
here. Let me show you what I look like.
Sorry, just cuz I said I look like the
dude from The Incredibles.
>> Everyone gets it, Evie. Everyone
understands the meme. No, no, no, no.
You need to understand. I need to
illustrate this for you for for the
people who are watching. So, yeah, so
this is a fun thing. My daughter did
some coloring yesterday and um she
colored a mermaid and I just
want to share with you cuz it kind of
captures how I feel.
>> [clears throat]
[laughter]
>> Yeah, that's that's me.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, that's that's pretty much how that
April Fools' post made me feel.
>> [laughter]
>> Definitely.
Absolutely. She understood She
understood the assignment. She's so
She's so cute. I love her but she
literally just like [laughter]
like really went kind of dark on that
one. Yes, very much so.
It was it was the it was the scribbling
out her eyes that did it. The two gaping
maw's. Yeah, yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> It's so so cute though. I love her.
She has a very like strong sense of
personal style. I like I like the way
she expresses herself.
>> Yeah. But that's the thing like that
whole RP segment in there
>> Yeah. It's like
not even low key, high key. RP's would
be very much up for that. It's like
yeah, give me give me all raid and
dungeon instances open and available for
RP. That would be that's exactly what I
want. Please, yes, thank you, say RP's.
Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed the the kind of
yeah, the kind of meta commentary going
on here about, you know, oh, like we've
we've created something for role
players. Oh, it's all this stuff that
already exists. Haha. But like you know,
genuinely it'd be like yeah, that
please. The highlighting content for
role players only. I was like
Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Right, I need to stop talking about this
now before I cry.
>> Yeah.
>> Good, let's move on.
So now we are going to move into spoiler
territory.
>> Here we go.
>> Time for the red bot spoiler bot, excuse
me. It's here. Here it is.
>> Get him back. Because I have played all
of this week's
campaign quests. I have completed the
raid on normal.
I unplugged it. Sorry raid team, I'll
still be there on Thursday, don't worry.
It's not going to take us very long, I
promise.
And I didn't get any loot, you'll be
very happy to know. You got no loot?
>> Not a single bean. Mind you, I think the
loot from it is pretty bad to be honest.
But anyway,
we are red bot spoiler botting. I mean
it's not a red bot, it's it's a blue
bot. Pardon me, it's a blue bot because
it's in the game and it's available for
everyone to see. No data mining
involved. But Yeah, but it's fresh. It's
>> fresh. It's very new. I've already seen
so many [ __ ] [ __ ] online spoiling
it.
You know who I'm talking about. They're
spoiling it. People love to spoil
things.
>> They're spoiling it. It's not hard to
put a little spoiler in it, is it?
>> to spoil something then spoil me, okay?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a sex thing?
Was that like being ruined?
>> No, that's like literally just give me
gifts. Oh, I see.
Our minds going to two very different
places there. Yeah, that's that makes
sense. So you've also watched the
cinematic and you have you have played
campaign chapter Oh, can we talk about
that first?
>> That's how we're going to start. Wait a
minute, how was your vault? Oh, I I mean
Cuz that's the first thing everyone did,
right?
>> Yeah, my vault is good. I did, you know,
we did some nice keys together. I did a
few and eight with you. It was not
enough to get me like myth item in my
vault but
it did give me some stuff. I got a nice
hero
um
I got a hero hat. I got the tier set
hat.
A hero hat and then I catalyzed one of
my hero gloves. So I've got a hero two
set.
>> Why not catalyze both of them?
No, I don't have it. That's the it was
already
>> I'm making a joke about there being two
gloves.
Hey, now that's good.
>> [laughter]
>> Now that's a good joke. You have to you
have to catalyze each glove individually
from now on.
Yeah,
yeah, so it so it was it was good. I
would say at the level
of, you know, my play which I get so I
still I still feel, you know, I feel
good
but wow.
You've got two set now. Yeah, yeah, so
I've got I've got two set now.
Probably easier if you take the slipper
off. Yeah, I should have done that.
Off of your foot.
But
yeah, so I've got I've got a two set
which is nice and you know, it's yeah,
it's okay. Oh, that's cool. Hey, hey,
that's all right. Plus eight like
Algeth'ar Academy key which I will will
people into doing with me. You can
easily push up to 10's like easily.
>> You know what? I I I think I could. I
think it's it's just the step over into
having like your two set and then your
four set and then just bumping up. Like
this is So here's the thing like I
typically would have hit this ceiling
like a bit earlier in the expansion,
right? I would have hit like a kind of
oh, I'm raiding with my buds and my DPS
is still [ __ ] That would have happened
a lot earlier.
>> [laughter]
>> Or later you mean or
>> No, no, no, it would have like I would
have I would have felt like frustration
earlier but like but because I there
have been these nice opportunities to to
gear up relatively, I still feel pretty
good about it. Anyway. How about you?
How was your vault?
>> My vault was
I joked about it. It was actually quite
good. It was it was the decisions that I
had to make that was hard cuz
I went in with like six heroic slots and
three mythic slots. How did you how?
Three heroic slots from delves
from from doing like you know, just
maxing those out. Three heroic slots
from raid
and
and
keys for the mythic track.
So you know, my hopes are pretty high
because I'm I'm dressed in like
combination of heroic and champion and
some veteran gear at the moment still.
Yeah, I know, man. Even though I think I
replaced the last bit of veteran because
you know, I'm running plus 10 keys which
is like heroic items drop from from
mythic plus keys, right? So it's like I
just keep running mythic plus keys. I'm
going to be dressed all in heroic stuff
eventually. It's not I don't have to
wait for lockouts and stuff like that
like you do with raid. You can just and
that's one of the reasons like mythic
plus gearing is so overpowered. It's
like I just need to keep popping plus
10's which are easy and like so easy
like right now for me personally in the
level I play
that it's it's like doing plus four's
last season or something. Yeah. And
granted 12's and 13's quite tricky and
you have to really think about them and
really kind of, you know, we failed
quite a lot of those but plus 10's like
they they they just slip
down like a juicy oyster and and you
might get heroic gear at the end of it.
Well, you wouldn't, someone will
and that's cool. Speaking of Sorry,
speaking of heroic gear, have you come
across the issue of like the same piece
of gear dropping like an extremely high
amount? It feels again it feels like too
early for me to be like I only have two
pieces of No, I have three pieces of
heroic gear on and one of them is a
trinket of which I have received four
of.
>> The Sylvan Wakku Pakku or whatever. Wow,
what? It's literally and it's like it's
not good but it's like I literally have
received four of them. I can't remember
which one it is I can't forget which one
it is but it's got like the golden
silhouetted person on it and and like
it's I think it's healing trinket.
I get the same one
and it's literally the same thing and
it's and so every time I have the chance
to get some hero gear
it is the same it is the same one. That
does suck, man.
Yeah. It's not good. Yeah.
Boo. Anyway, in my vault Anyway. On my
myth track I got some I got a mythic
chest and mythic trousers which are both
good because you can catalyze those but
I had
previously catalyzed my heroic chest to
get two set. So I didn't want to take a
mythic chest which I would then have to
catalyze again. Yeah.
So if I was going to take anything it
was going to be the mythic pants for
catalyzing. However, I also got my two
best trinkets in heroic level. I got
like the dream rift trinket and I got
the
the kind of the dragon's gaze one. I
forget what it's called. The Old No. The
Old Seer one is the is the dream rift
one.
The one with the like the purple dragon
yeah yeah.
Like yeah, the the mastery one like the
grade sort of thing which is great for
disc as well in raid. Cool beans. So I
was like is it better to take one of my
best trinkets in heroic or mythic pants?
And I had a conversation about it with
my guildies online and I decided to take
the mythic pants but I'm not catalyzing
them yet although I probably should
because there's no point cuz like I'd
still only be
like three set like Sure. It's not it's
kind of a waste to catalyze anything
like to give yourself three set. Yeah,
save it until it gives you four set,
right?
So yeah, so that's what I've got. I've
got my mythic pants on now. Mythic
pants. Of course you got to get the best
pants. I've got nothing else to spend my
mythic crests on so
I might as well spend it on like
upgrading my pants all the way.
All right, cuz I have my 20 myth crests
from
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah. from that one quest that I just
keep getting them to me. And and like I
guess I I guess I guess I could I I
think the next thing would be to craft
myself like a belt with a cool
embellishment on it or something. Oh,
yeah, you can Oh, of course.
>> Yeah, yeah, I'm assuming. I'll look at
the guides but that's what I'm assuming
like yeah, I craft myself a belt or some
[ __ ] like that. Something that you
wouldn't catalyze, right?
Is is what I'm thinking. I did I tell
you that I finally figured out crafting?
I finally just like maxed it out. I did
it.
So you went through a journey last week.
A journey that many of us went through
in Dragonflight when we first kind of
took up the new crafting. Oh, how does
this work?
>> [laughter]
>> [ __ ] that.
No, I didn't. I didn't. But yeah, I
finally got into crafting properly and
uh
you know, it's a bit it's a bit opaque,
isn't it? It's like a little bit broke
and I got really excited and I just
started putting like knowledge points
into my nodes without really thinking
about them and
>> Loaded up my nodes. Yeah, and packing it
all into my nodes. But you know, now
I've I've like I've properly done it.
I've properly done all the work. I've
done all the research. I don't have like
the purple gear that you have to farm
done done for like I don't that's I
don't need that and yeah exactly.
>> I got my shoes, I got my eagle mounts.
Yeah.
>> I am done. Yeah and done done you're
done done. Yeah.
And
X So I've got yeah
so I've got my
I've got my
I've got my
my best marksman crafted my two pieces
which are like the boots and the belts.
>> Oh is that what they recommend?
>> Yeah yeah yeah and those are like best
for the rest of you know this season and
I've got them up to hero maybe
eventually I'll get them up to the myth
but like they're there and they're gold
and I can do it and I dropped a huge
amount of gold on proud belts recipe but
it felt really good and like you were
saying it feels so good to have a thing
with your name in it like your your
name's on there. Crafted by me like me
by me Like I made myself some good
[ __ ] Um I jump in I make myself my
staff every tier it's like you know it's
a weapon so it's great you want to have
like
a mythic weapon and that's taken care of
then I'm not thinking about weapon drops
for the rest of the tier I'm like yeah
nice one [ __ ] rocking yeah I love it
and I love having a weapon that I have
crafted myself it says made by me on
And then I just upgrade it every tier.
Feels fantastic. Yeah yeah so yeah I
yeah I still don't feel like I don't I
don't love the crafting system but I you
know I've maxed it out to the best of my
ability I'm keeping on top of like doing
crafting orders accumulating more
knowledge point you know
yeah I got there I got there in the end.
Um but yeah anyway that's like part of
my my gearing journey this season.
That's good to know thank you
really interesting really good. So
After we've done that after we've done
I forgot to like pick up any quests or
anything like that cuz I went straight
to the campaign quest which is you know
marching on caldanas right? Um and it
takes a form this entire thing well for
start first of all when I got there I
stood by the kind of the table in the
center of light for a bit getting
footage of like all the leaders standing
around the table cuz it's really cool
you've got shandris there and you've got
umbreck there and you've got who's the
other alliance one oh valera there. Um
Valera or verisa?
Which the windrunner sister valera? Yeah
windrunner valera there so they're
representing the whole alliance and then
on the other side you've got
like
lorthamar and thalysra and they're
standing really close together. I like
that I thought that was really good
you got halderon you've got
liadrin and all the rest of them and
it's it's great I I love that [ __ ] and
it was it was nice I got lots of footage
of that oh and arator. Of course arator.
>> But is arator allowed to be at that
table for some [ __ ] He thinks he's
better than himself man. Why is he
allowed to be at that table? He's not
he's not a factional racial leader why
is he there? He's just some [ __ ] No.
It's like we here we are at THE TABLE
ALL OF THE ALL OF US ALL of the leaders
of all the races and this [ __ ] [ __ ]
why?
Why?
All he does is tell them they're [ __ ]
wrong.
Are you seriously telling me that they'd
be like oh not this guy get rid of this
guy all he does is [ __ ] tell us we're
wrong he's absolutely an alpha baby. And
he'll always deny it he'll be like oh no
it was so hard oh it was so hard having
two legends
of the alliance to I was so you
understand the pressure I've been under
I got you a seat at the table though
didn't it arator? He's a storytelling
device he's very important. Why is he at
the table?
>> He's very important.
>> I only just got invited to [ __ ] al
cantina two weeks ago. [laughter]
I still like him. No one knows who my
mom and dad are.
>> [laughter]
>> I still dig him. Um yeah okay
so yeah anyway arator's got an amazing
plan everyone and we all have to listen
to him and his plan is we're going to
attack the bridge and go to caldanas so
that's what we do. Caldanas. Caldanas
and so it's one of those things I it's
one of my favorite types of wow quests
if I'm completely honest.
Oh I love it like you know it's like are
you ready to launch this scenario I'm
like hell yeah I'm ready for a scenario.
It's so good and all the soldiers are
there and they're all lined up and
they're all like woah and the ancients
are there and like there's like a
million high elves on dragons and [ __ ]
it's like yeah I loved going through
that bit and I loved spoiler season
obviously I loved going through that bit
and seeing like I went and I checked on
all of the the little groups of people
I'm like okay I've got the fire striders
here I've got some nightborne here I've
got the kaldorei here I've got you know
everyone is like everyone's assembled
everyone looks amazing. Yeah. All of the
elves are like in their finest elven
garb and all the different elf flavors
and as an elf like yeah I was like heck
this is good this is lovely
I I really I really enjoyed that I loved
having like the ancients there and yeah
they they we start the assault on like
crossing the bridge and I love how
there's kind of you know there's a
there's a focus and you push forward and
you kind of defeat a bunch of people in
the first bit and then you keep going
forward and and you know your strategy
changes I loved having I loved running
through and having
you know like liadrin just like smiting
people like Yeah. I'm approaching a
bunch and I'm like ready to like pop
cool down or something and she's just
like
and destroys everyone I'm like Yeah. Man
you just kind of threw off my rotation I
I I I exactly I do that I'm
>> [laughter]
>> I'm running up and I'm like using using
the the extra action button which is
like a super attack that they've given
me I'll get rid of that mob that group
of mob there but I didn't notice
umbreck's in there as well and before
and I I I cast the thing and before it
can land and kill them all umbreck's
like I'll take care of these guys with
my voidy dicks. Yeah.
Oh
oh oh oh
>> just voidy dicks them all and they're
all dead and they're all like The void
submits to me and I was like
Like and
this is spoilery guys this is going to
be spoilery pretty much until we until
we get to super chat thing. That one
that one cracked me up because yeah
spoilers for the rest of the episode
basically and that one cracked me up
because you know you're when you're
running through they're they're kind of
visible but that was there was just a
group of mobs on the dock and you're
like that one's for me to get and then
umbreck's like no no no.
>> [laughter]
>> Okay. But I do like I loved all the like
defending the docks I thought that was
really cool
and then
when they were like the skies are clear
and I ran halfway back before realizing
I could fly now.
>> No no no I it's I was annoyed but okay
so there's a little cinematic plays and
and arator goes the skies are clear. And
then the cinematic ends you're back and
arator you know character box pops up
the skies are clear fly back to me and
and and you know let's do the next step
and I'm like dude you just said the
skies are clear how many times do you
have to tell a wow player that you can
fly you literally just cleared the skies
you said it twice and then you said the
words fly back to me. Who's going to
miss this [ __ ] apparently you did. Me me
well no no cuz I I was like you know I
was I was running along I was like oh
did he mean I could fly and yeah
but I did I didn't miss it I was just a
bit slow on the uptake that's all.
He's like fly to me you know literally
get on your mount. Yeah
a lot of people in the chat did not
understand
a lot of people in the chat ran all the
way back to that [ __ ] bridge.
>> [laughter]
>> Um so this campaign chapter that we're
talking about right now is available to
everyone
the raid isn't open till
on story mode now the far until next
week. Mhm. Um isn't that right so yeah
then you get to the bridge. Yeah and you
keep you keep pushing forward on on on
the bridge
and
>> that bit by the way I thought that was
really really cool because it was you
and lorthamar and liadrin and arator.
And umbreck. And umbreck and like
it was like you would you guys were just
kicking ass together it was actually
really good.
>> Yeah. And like that first kind of when
the first kind of it was a bit like in
phantom menace that bit that ruins the
like how everyone talks about the
lightsaber duel in phantom menace is
really good when they're trying to
defend that [ __ ] awful movie
and you go no the YouTube compilation of
like the lightsaber duel in phantom
menace is really good cuz it cuts out
all the [ __ ] cutaways and [ __ ] that
breaks up that fight scene you know like
and it's also like oh we're making one
of the best lightsaber duels of all time
but what we'll do is just for a joke in
the middle of that lightsaber duel we'll
put them in a weird corridor that has
like doors opening and closing so they
have to stop fighting they have to stop
doing the fun thing so we have time to
cut back to the really [ __ ] CGI battle
that's happening elsewhere it's like no
when you watch the movie the lightsaber
duel [ __ ] sucks it's good when you
put it all together like it should be in
the film and put it on YouTube anyway.
Anyway. That's what that's what the
bridge reminded me of was that little
kind of corridor with the funny doors in
it and they open up one at a time and
that first wave of baddies that came
through I don't know when you're when
you're with NPCs you expect them not to
really do much
and they were like they were just
joining in with you and it was like boom
boom boom and they didn't do anything
special either they were JUST LIKE YEAH
[ __ ] IT LET'S GO. It was really cool and
I loved it I thought it was good it was
really neat that was really really fun
and of course zalatath is kind of
taunting you and arator she's taunting
arator along the way. Yeah like
So
arator really really really needs to
work on his comeback game because
like
every time like
zalatath would pop up and she'd be like
arator you're a piece of [ __ ] [ __ ]
Yes, suck and everyone hates you. I
don't even care about you. And then I'll
be like, "Whoa, what's Arator going to
say? What's he going to do?" And Arator
is like, "Oh, yeah? Well,
I know you are, but what am I?"
And you're like, "Arator, dude, this is
so [ __ ] cringe."
Oh, he sucks so bad. Like, the only one
burning here is you. Yeah.
His first comeback was pretty good. His
first comeback was something like, "No,
we will vanquish you this day,
Xal'atath. I swear it on my father's
shield." And I thought, okay, he was
proven to be wrong. We didn't actually
vanquish her. But, like, I liked the
line. I thought the line was pretty
good. But then after that, they were
they were bad. They were bad comebacks.
She was like She was like, "Are you Oh,
oh, poor little boy. Are you going to
burn up again and burn all your friends
with the wrath of the light?" And he's
like, "Duh, duh, duh. The only one who's
going to burn, uh Zally,
is you."
>> He's like me trying to Yeah, he's like
me trying to do smack talk. And he's 40
years old.
>> Yeah, he's just very He's like very
earnest and serious. It suits him. He
was They were weak weak comebacks. Do
you know why? Cuz he shouldn't be Why is
he there?
>> one line that he said that was good.
There was one line that HE SAID THAT WAS
GOOD. THERE was one line that he said
that was good. There was one line that
he said that was good. There was one
line that he said that was good. There
was one line that he All you All you
managed to do was unite the elves or
something. Like, I can't remember the
exact line, but it was All you succeeded
to do is unite us.
>> Yeah, and I'm like, yeah. That's pretty
good.
I guess. I like that one. Yeah, okay.
>> Yeah.
Uh He's had that shield line saved up
like all expansion, and he blew it. And
it was good. It was good. It worked, but
he should have had some others lined up
as well.
>> Yeah. He didn't He did not prepare his
comeback game in this patch.
>> not, and that's fine. He's He's He's
just He's just doing the the
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah.
He's bless him. He's doing his best.
>> But I like the fighting. I thought the
fighting was really good. And then the
little cutscene that plays at the end of
the bridge, where you see all of the
elves doing their [ __ ] right? And then
they're like,
"OH, I LOVE THAT SHIT." AND THEN THEY'RE
LIKE, "OH, I LOVE THAT SHIT." AND THEN
they're like, gives you the kind of
feels. And I was sitting here and
Thalyssra was doing it, and he was like,
"Oh yeah."
>> Yeah, I was loving that [ __ ] I was like
I was kind of cheering along. It was It
felt really good. It felt really
impactful. I I really enjoyed I really
enjoyed the scenario. I thought it was
good.
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I love that because of that scene just
before the second Siege of Orgrimmar in
BFA. It was the end of BFA just before
the Mag'har, where like Thalyssra is
talking to Jaina, and she's like, "Yo,
that [ __ ] you did at the beginning of
the expansion in the Battle of
Lordaeron. I know we're on different
sides, right? But, that floating ship
with the like the magic cannons, how the
[ __ ] did you do that?" And And Jaina's
like, "Maybe I'll tell you."
Even though like you're a Horde and I'm
Alliance, so probably shouldn't. But,
and you know, this is like
We've proved this expansion that we're
always at war anyway. And And it's cool
that she did learn how to do it. She
did.
>> rocks up with her arcane cannons. I just
think that's so cool. It's such a great
little kind of throwback. I love that. I
think that's really funny.
>> really cool. But then
Yeah. And then And then you're like,
"Wait, wait, you know, then arrows or
something come flying your way or
whatever." And suddenly there's Zul'jara
rocking up with the trolls.
>> I love that [ __ ]
>> And her line is so good. She's like,
"You think I could resist an opportunity
to raid Silvermoon?" And I'm like,
>> [laughter]
>> "That's a great line."
Oh,
that that literally made me go like,
"Well done." That was so good. And then
of course, because the trolls are there,
the Harbingers come too.
>> Yeah. And you're like,
>> Mind you, like, You say come too, that's
cool. So So Zul'jara basically turns up
by herself. She's got like it's her and
some friends. It's like her and some
friends.
She's literally like on a [ __ ] raft.
She's like, "Okay,
uh me and we just going to raid." And
it's like, "Okay, I guess. Thanks."
Yeah. She's like, "I could not resist."
Yeah, it was Yeah, it was She was cool.
[laughter]
Yeah. Um And yeah, the Harbingers
turning up was fun as well. I liked that
[ __ ]
I like I like I love the bit if they do
it, which they don't always, but I like
it when, you know, you're doing the
fight at the end of the opening patch,
and all the allies you made turn up and
help. And that's
That's what it's all about, right?
Absolutely.
>> Yeah. I'm glad the Dominar didn't turn
up, cuz they suck. Well, that would be
That would be confusing.
>> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> I'm like, "Are we even fighting you
Yeah, yeah. Um Yeah, I thought that was
That was a very very cool uh scenario.
Really cool cinematic. And I love Yeah,
I love how it wraps up. And then of
course And then, you know, you're so
pumped. You're hyped. Everyone is there.
They They They like We've reached kind
of the gates. We're ready to go. Wait,
wait, wait, wait. Do you think
Do you think Arator was silently
seething when the trolls and the
Harbingers turned up? Cuz he was like,
"I said elves only."
"I This
This was supposed to be an elf thing. It
was my plan,
>> [laughter]
>> and I said,
it's an elf thing, okay?
So,
by my father's shield,
I SWEAR TO GOD."
>> OKAY, GUYS, um I
uh But to be fair, thing.
>> He did specify in the email it was elves
only. It was very clear.
Very clear it was going to be elves.
>> They're kind of, you know, they're elves
way back when, right? Like, they they
are
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.
>> Pre-said Pre- What Whatever the opposite
of of descendants They're They're
They're elves like adjacent, I guess.
They're kind of like Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
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I I I I I I I I I I I It was so good. I
got so pumped. I was at the end. We were
at the We're there. We We finished.
Everyone's ready, and we're like, "Okay,
but now we just have to do this final
push."
Raid will open in story mode next week.
And I was like, "Are you serious?" Why
do they do that? Yeah, no. That is very
very dumb.
>> Why do they do that? What
benefit does that Okay, it keeps X
number of casual players playing for
another week.
Yeah.
>> Why do you have to do that?
>> I I've always defended I've always
defended like Blizzard's kind of roll
out of LFR and story mode.
But in this occasion, I
I think it's like a massive [ __ ] I
think like with Silvermoon being in so
many different phases as the story kind
of like You got your opening phase.
What? You've technically got your
opening phase, which is during the
opening scenario. Then you got another
phase after the opening scenario, where
the skybox is different again. And then
you've got
after the
Void Spire, where
the void the skybox is different again.
And spoiler, the skybox changes again
after March of Quel'Thalas raid.
Quel'Thalas.
You got four different skyboxes to get
through there, and four different like
phases of the city. And And like story
mode you know, and I love what splitting
these raids up has done for the story
and for the unfolding of events.
>> I really enjoyed the raid roll out. I
think it's very cool. I really enjoy
playing this way. I like it.
>> But,
it's insane to me that story mode isn't
included in that. Because who cares?
Exactly. Who Who Who really wants the
cinematics? The people who want to watch
the story.
>> Precisely. So, look, Like who Like not
the hardcore
>> I I need to see that [ __ ] because of my
job, right? Cuz I don't want to just
like take the video off of Wowhead and
do my do my analysis that way. Like, I
want the context of all the quests and
like the things that happen directly
afterwards and things like that. I think
that's really really important, rather
than it just being a reaction or
something like that. So, what do I do?
I'm forced to go in there and pug it
this morning. Um
And I'd rather do it with my raid team.
But if it was open in story mode, I
could go in. I could see the story. I
could get everything I need. Um And this
is how other players feel as well, I'm
sure. Um And then And then I could enjoy
going and like doing it at higher level
with my with my raid team.
>> anything, when you do it in story mode,
you can focus on the story if you like.
You can You can get the story. Um Which
again, even just doing like normal Void
Spire, there are bits that We were We
were kind of just mopping through it.
Like, and that you know, when we got to
the Lightbound freaks, who, you know, we
have to
>> Blinded Vanguard. The Light Blinded
Vanguard, yeah. Exactly. That's what I
said. And um
when we get to them, who I love, like,
it wasn't immediately clear why they,
you know, people in the I mean, people
in the guild were like, "When Why When
did that happen?" And so I was like,
"Oh, well, in the last fight, you Did
you not see that they were kind of going
like crazy?" It's like, "No. No, we
didn't, cuz we were just kind of
focusing on And chatting with your
buddies. And chatting, and you know, I
really believe there could be some kind
of like wider story mode. And again,
story It's called story mode. Like, just
take me through the whole story, even of
the raid, not just the last boss.
>> And I There I have never met a single
person who's raided in their raid team
who's noticed that
at the end of the like
Blinded Vanguard fight, Alleria jumps
into the portal by herself going after
Xal'atath. No one sees that, because
they are looting. They're going through
the loot.
>> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> And they're going like, "Oh, what's
dropped? Do I I need on that? I'm going
to roll on that." And like, in the
meantime, like, Alleria's jumped up into
the portal. And so there's always been
this thing of like And it's happened
every time I've done this raid with with
guildies I'm pugging. You go up to the
final platform, and Alleria's there
like,
>> [snorts]
>> Yeah. Like, um getting choked out by
Xal'atath. And And yeah. And you're
like, "Oh, huh. Wait, how did she get up
here?"
It made me think of that time
>> [laughter]
>> You just think It's just my I would just
I just had fun memories of Astalor Chulk
and the in his basement, you know?
I was like, "That's a nice throwback."
To when Astalor was like
>> [laughter]
>> Daddy Soul. Yeah. Um yeah, well, me too.
Um but like yeah, and and so every time
I do that raid, people are like, "Wait,
was she here though? Did she get When
did she get captured? I don't
understand." It's like it's you miss
like the important kind of like story
bit at the end of like
>> I agree completely. I feel like it's
still a disjunction. I love that story
mode exists. I feel like there's still a
little some bumps in how story is
conveyed and told kind of through when
story mode is implemented, when you can
access it, the way it's you know, it's
still I'm still not getting a whole
neat overview, which I would like. I get
it. Blizzard want to and you know, in in
many ways I kind of agree with them cuz
I I believe that like raiding is the
most aspirational part of the game and I
think that's good. I think it's good
that wow has aspirational content and
raid is like amazing aspirational
content. Like I only started raiding at
the end of Warlords
and but before that I didn't look at
raiding and go, "Ooh, damn, that thing
keeps me out." I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I
don't think I'll ever be able to do it,
but it would be so cool to go into
raids, right? It would be so good to see
all that stuff and the story and like
you know, be with all those people and
see all the spell effects go off and
fight these big bosses and [ __ ] and like
oh my god, I'll never be able to do it,
but like one day it would be cool if I
could."
>> Yeah. Um and I I that you know, that was
something that kind of stuck with me all
the way through the game until I did
start raiding. And I I get that Blizzard
want to kind of preserve some kind of
aspirational content in the game. I
think I think that's a good thing and
you know, it's like, "Well, the people
who do who do raid raid they should be
able to see it first and it should feel
special to them when they go in there
and it's like, "Oh, I'm doing
something." Cuz that was always one of
the things about raiding and it was that
thing of like, "Oh my god, you you you
actually saw the Lich King get Were you
there?" And my god, I need I'd love to
be able to see that. And it's like I get
that they want to preserve an element of
that, but they don't. It's failing. It's
not happening cuz you're just going in
in stupid little pugs and like you feel
bad you're still not doing it with your
raid team and like open the story mode.
You know, it's fine. Like
do the story mode as the raid opens. Let
people who want to see the story go in
there and see the story and and this is
the first time I've been on this side of
the argument, by the way. I've always
been like, "I think it's fine the story
mode comes out a little bit later." But
in in this one with there being so many
steps of the story, which I think is
brilliant because of the raid roll out
and I love that and because I am someone
that can go in and complete normal raid
in the first week, you know, I've been
able to enjoy it like I'm supposed to.
But people who can't, it must be really
frustrating and annoying and maybe even
quite anxious and quite you know, if
it's something you care about and and
you don't want to get spoiled and stuff
and like just open the open the damn
story mode, man. Yeah. I'm with you.
Yeah. One thing that I do like
storytelling-wise is how the delves kind
of fit into things. Like we got
Parhelion Plaza, the Parhelion Plaza
delve, which I did right away cuz I was
there and I couldn't do the raid.
You know what I mean? I'm like, "Well,
here here I am."
>> Yeah, yeah. I guess I you know, and like
many other people, I flew to the door
which did not have a swirly delve
entrance.
>> I I went and then I laughed at you but
then I went there later. Of course you
did. I What I'm going to do after this
after this
I'm going to go back to that door and
I'm going to I'm going to film it. I'm
going to like screen capture it and I'm
going to just stand there and I'm going
to leave it on for 24 hours and it's
going to be like one of those nature
documentaries. You know, when they leave
like some food out or they leave like a
pretend female pigeon out and see all
the other pigeons coming and [ __ ] it or
something. Like and like it's going to
it's going to be like I'll speed it up
and you're going to see people coming to
the door and [ __ ] off again. They're
coming to the door and [ __ ] off
again.
It's going to be like I did that. I
stood there for a bit. I watched other
people stand there and go
you know, and like it was
>> [laughter]
>> it was cute. And then yeah, of course
the entrance is like in and you go down.
But I like
I I enjoyed that delve cuz I like how
it's literally just that bit of
Quel'Danas.
And Oh, sure. Like in the intro
scenario.
>> in the intro scenario. You're just I
haven't done that one yet. It's really
cool. You're just there and you're
fighting void guys and you're putting up
arcane bullwarks.
>> Cool. Bull bullwark I don't know how to
pronounce it.
>> Bullwarks. Bull bullwark.
>> Arcane bullwark. Arcane bullwarks. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah. So um
>> [laughter]
>> Uh I really I really enjoyed that. I
thought that was um
that was fun and that kind of scratched
the itch a little bit for me since I
couldn't actually just go in and do the
raid. And it was only like an hour until
podcast. I'm like, "I cannot
>> could get you could do the raid.
>> pug it in the raid. Well, I'm going to
have to pug it in the story mode. My
gear is stacked, obviously. I'm like 268
or something. So I get and I'm a healer,
so I get accepted into any [ __ ] pug.
>> you did. Yeah. Um today Today.
>> But only today because like otherwise
you're going to need to have the
achieve. I I agree. So I'll pug it today
um which is a shame cuz our guild's like
casual runs are on Tuesday. I can't wait
until I can't wait until Tuesday.
>> [laughter]
>> Anyway. Yeah, and it's great that there
is so much story in the raid. It's great
that they have all these different like
stages of the story and I think I've I
think the story has been great in this
opening patch. I think that like I can I
can say Well, there's still another
chapter to go. But this opening patch of
Midnight has been brilliant. I like it.
It's What a great expansion. What a
fantastic time. I've had such a good
time, actually. I think there's been
there's been loads of fun storytelling.
There's been I there's been enough time
for me to kind of complete the campaign
like
like stories and really get a feel for
each zone and really kind of fall in
love with all of them. Yeah, and then
the kind of the gradual roll out with
the raids attached. It has felt special
and meaningful and then like yeah.
>> cool. It has felt really good. I really
like how they've they've split up the
raids, actually, cuz I wasn't sure how
that was going to feel.
Um I'm not sure how the like you know,
the the world first raiders are feeling.
My understanding is that there's you
know, there's a bit of downtime here and
there.
Well, now now they're in there and it's
like
>> now they're back in.
But you know,
you know, I follow I yeah on Instagram
and she's like she's just pumping the
like Oh my god, my heart goes out to
those poor poor casters. Every time I
turn on What? Not today cuz they're
like, "Oh my god, actually some some
raiding to talk about." But like this
whole past week, every time I switched
on, it's like especially poor Cruella is
there. Cruella's there like that. And
like generally people are like
trying to keep it friendly and like
trying to keep it high energy and but
they're flagging and Cruella does not
give a [ __ ] Cruella's all like that.
What the [ __ ]
>> [laughter]
>> What am I doing here? What what am I
doing here? That is that's not a very
good French accent. Uh
take it up with Cruella cuz it sounds
exactly like her voice. Uh but yeah, so
I I and and and but yeah, I'm watching
kind of I know's videos and she's like,
"A day in the life of casting and doing
stuff you know, with with Team Liquid
and it's like we've had a bit of
downtime. So we've had to come up with
entertaining segments." I know. It's
like oh Oh god. Oh no. Oh no.
It's like the weekly reset, you know.
You can't talk about the weekly reset.
[laughter]
It's not easy.
But yeah, so uh you know, maybe not
ideal for like that specific scenario,
but for me as a player, I really really
enjoyed this roll out with the raids. I
think it's been great.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. So is it
time
Is it time to talk
>> Uh well, okay. Um I'm just going to have
to write something
uh
Oh, very good. So now
it is it is time to discuss
the cinematic that comes at the end
of the March on Quel'Danas because it
has
it has I pugged it. I went in there. I I
actually watched a couple of videos with
like tactics as well because I don't
want to let anyone down in a pug. So I
went in there and my raid team and it
was [ __ ] So I I I went in there and
it's a
it's a fun little raid, I've got to say.
I mean, it was so easy. Like so easy on
normal. But of course it would be cuz
I'm heroic geared. Like I've just I've
just come off a week of doing like plus
10s and 11s and mythic plus. Of course
I'm like very geared.
Um and so we brute forced our way
through the two bosses. Each boss took
two pulls. The Phoenix boss is great.
Oh, I'm really looking forward to doing
that on heroic
and and indeed mythic maybe at some
point as well because like I mean, I've
been saying this for months now, but I I
think I'm being proven right.
If Immortalis Argent Dawn EU was ever
going to get cutting edge, this is the
[ __ ] tier.
>> [laughter]
>> Like
I was like look, with how simple the
classes are, how simple the mechanics
are going to be because everyone's like
everyone at Blizzard is [ __ ]
themselves that everyone's going to be
so upset that they can't use their weak
auras that they've they've scaled stuff
back and they've gone a little bit too
far with class simplicity and with
mechanics and and tuning, I think.
But I think they've done that on
purpose. I think it's a thing of like
better to scale it back too far than not
enough and have people be like, "See, I
told you it was impossible without
add-ons." Like
so I you know, hopefully fingers crossed
the proof of the pudding will be in
point one where hopefully they'll start
bringing back some some more complexity
to the classes and to the to the fights
and stuff like that. But okay, you know,
exactly. But I It's a good starting
point. I think it was a good cool for me
months ago to say this was the season to
get cutting edge if you you haven't done
it before and you want to like like our
raid team.
So we went in and the Phoenix boss is
really good. It's like
your whole raid team gets turned into
either void or light and then all the
mechanics that drop are either void
mechanics or light mechanics and it's
like the light people want to deal with
the light mechanics and the void people
want to deal with the void mechanics and
it's fun. It's just good. And then and
then there's a bit where you swap and
half of don't realize you you've swapped
and they'll die.
Um and it's cool. And yeah, it's it's
it's it's fun fight. I like that. And
then the uh the the final fight
um much has been made of like the kind
of Final Fantasy XIV style
um mechanic where she shows like three
symbols in a row and then those symbols
get given to players and they have to
line up in the order in which she showed
them. Oh. Uh-oh.
>> Um and
like so if you if you miss it, then and
you know, it
it's easy to deal with. It just needs
someone to be watching for it and to
have an agreed-upon like
name for each symbol within the team.
And then it will always be someone's job
to say the order that the people need to
stand in, right? And that's easy. Like
mechanic solved. Um
and in normal you have so much time to
to line up. And then and then she does
like a kind of a a line that goes around
in a circle and you have to hit them in
the right order. Oh, I like that.
And we failed a couple times and we just
healed through it, but it was still a
pain. Um and then some other mechanics
as well, but we you know, I pretty much
YOLO'd that one and and completed it.
And
then I had already seen the cinematic.
And I was thinking maybe
maybe you feel the same thing. We'll
talk about the cinematic any second now,
but like when I watched that cinematic,
I was like
there must be like some dialogue that
happens before that cinematic starts in
the fight. Like you kill the boss and
then the boss says something or
something happens and then but no, you
kill the boss and the cinematic just
plays straight up.
Um which is a bit jarring because kind
of doesn't make sense. Oh, and before
you start the Lura fight, oh, this is a
really cool thing where she like
zaps Alleria
and she's all like "Oh, your mommy hates
you." And blah blah. And and then he's
all like "Oh, no, mommy." And then she
zaps
uh Verisa Verisa Alleria.
Windrunner. Verisa. Verisa. She zaps
Verisa and she's like uh "Oh, your
sisters all hate you. You suck." And
she's like "Oh, my sisters."
Um and and that you know, takes them out
of the fight that way. Which I think's
fun because usually what they do is they
just go "For some reason you're floating
and you can't join in this fight,
right?" But it's good that she like Lura
did some kind of weird stuff, right? Um
and then like um and then the and then
you you kill Lura
and you go into the Dark Well for the
final part of the fight, which is really
really cool. Kind of like going into the
Dark Heart. It's I mean that looks
exactly like it. The Dark Heart actually
changed. Um
uh and then you kill Lura and then the
cinematic plays. And
now
super Red Bot Spoiler Bot, cuz we are
talking about this cinematic.
>> I I tried to have him in my head
earlier but
he just focused away from my eyes, but
That's right. Just put him out. Yeah.
>> Yeah, so he was bum.
What is I've been thinking about and and
starting to draft like cinematic
analysis. What is your reaction to this
cinematic?
Right. So, um
the first time I saw
>> Before we start talking about this, I
just want to remind everyone of when I
was saying that Midnight is brilliant.
Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> And how much I really enjoyed Midnight.
>> Midnight.
>> Yeah, okay, good. Now now you can talk
about it, yeah. Um
I I I you know,
I I think I wasn't surprised that it
happened.
Um but still when it happened, it made
me go
uh
So, what happens is, right?
>> [laughter]
>> Zal'atath is there.
>> Zal'atath. And Alleria
Alleria and
Verisa Verisa are on their knees.
I don't know why the [ __ ] they're there,
cuz they took no no part in the fight at
all, but okay, fine, they're there. And
actually that's really weird because
it's like they're not in the fight. Oh.
>> They're there. They're there. And so
okay, fine, whatever, right? And and
like then
Zal'atath turns up and she's like
"Now I'm going to kill you. You suck."
And like she's about to kill them.
>> "You Windrunners just don't know when to
die."
>> Yeah, and and but she's saying it in
like a triumphant way because she's
about to kill the Windrunners, right?
But then
black
arrow whizzes through the air.
And
>> And it yeah, and it fires it's finally
getting
>> Yeah, finally getting my shot in. That's
my shot coming all the way
>> long it takes to cast aimed shot these
days. That's my shot coming all the way
from Void's fire.
>> [laughter]
>> That one that missed.
I I wasn't aiming for you. And and and
and it it pops pops one of her sha-
shadow orbs. One of her shoulder orbs.
Just popped it like a balloon.
I guess it's pretty bad. IT GOES
LIKE THAT.
WAIT, SORRY. REWIND. NO, I just thought
I was like she's only she only has one
ball now. [laughter]
I thought that would be like her thing.
She's just asymmetrical.
>> No. No. No, it it it goes back in the
cinematic. Like um yeah. So, then then
it pops her it pops her shoulder thing.
And people are going to think I'm
telling an April Fools' joke right now.
And
through the portal, a dark portal that's
just opened up in in the room,
is not us who've just been fighting Lura
to save the day. It's
Sylvanas.
It's Sylvanas Windrunner.
And the Banshee Queen herself.
>> And I went oh, no. Yeah, I and I went
and and I think there's also I you know,
I have to say throughout the course of
this cinematic, I warmed up to it and I
rolled with it, but the initial um
you know, reveal and I was like ooh, I
was like that's a lot. That's a lot. Um
uh and she comes out and it just really
in a good way, it really reinforced to
me how utterly campy Sylvanas is. And
she's always been that way. She's always
been that way. When she comes out and
like the way she's animated, like she
doesn't move her upper lip at all. And
she's like
>> [laughter]
>> "I have come back." And I'm like oh
Please please please I your
your Sylvanas impression is reminding me
of Shadowlands. And okay, it's fine.
It's fine. Okay, well, no, look. So, she
comes back and uh
Zal'atath is like
"I don't want to do this right now." And
she really isn't. And like I I do like I
do like Zal'atath's line where she's
like "Huh. I honestly didn't factor this
in." Like do you know what? I honestly
didn't think of this.
"Okay. Huh. [ __ ] you. Okay."
>> [laughter]
>> It's like well, I've already won, so I
guess I don't know why she was like I
will deal with this later. But like you
can you can tell Zal'atath's thinking
the same thing as me which is like
you should have come like 5 minutes ago
when it would have mattered. Why didn't
you You might have stopped us. Yeah. But
you didn't. So I'm just going to go and
do the thing that I agree I was I mean
I've won.
Did you not
We're going down into the Okay, bye.
And then my my my favorite thing about
this cinematic and you know, Sylvanas is
there and Alleria and
Verisa. And I love I love the way
Verisa's animated. I love her facial
expressions. They really make her look
like you know, she takes a moment and
she's like looking at Sylvanas.
>> Yeah, best bit in the cinematic.
>> It's really good and she looks like
she's going to throw a punch at her.
Like she's ready to just lay the smack
down.
>> they very much animate her drawing her
fist back as well.
Um but she instead she throws herself at
Sylvanas. And I actually loved that. I
thought that was like such a
it was just a really lovely moment. And
Sylvanas in her like goofy Banshee Queen
kind of stoicness is there. And uh
Verisa is like, you know, it's her big
sister. You know, I thought I thought it
was it was really I I loved her like
animations and her expressions. I
thought I thought that was really really
lovely. Um and then of course everyone's
like okay,
what is Sylvanas doing here? How did she
get out of the Maw? Hi. And they're like
[laughter] "Hey." And she's like "Oh,
yeah, actually, you know,
you I mean yeah, you can actually get
out. Comes with a price. No don't know
what it is. I paid the price, but I did
get out.
I didn't really do anything. I did just
shoot I did pop one of Zal'atath's
balls. That's okay, you know." Yeah.
Well, I mean she's she's saving
uh
Verisa Alleria and Alleria, right?
Verisa. And sorry, I'm going to until
the day I die, man. She saved she saved
them. But then when she's like yeah,
exa- Well, no. So, there's this really
great moment between them, the sisters.
And then Alleria's there like "I thought
you couldn't leave the Maw." And he's
like "Shut the [ __ ] up."
>> Shut up, nephew. I was like
like his tone was just way off, man. It
was just like a bad vibe. There's a way
of delivering that line. No.
>> But it was not that. It was not like
>> [laughter]
>> Right? Hated that. Hated it. Alleria is
a sensitive guy, but he's also a blunt
instrument. Like he That's just That's
That's how he is. He's not the funny
guy. He's not the witty guy. He's like
he has
>> Oh, he is the witty guy. He the I said
witty guy.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, um so he's you
know, he has a sense of right and wrong
and a big like sword he wants to hit
people with, you know? He's So, his his
his sensitivity has its limits. Um so
yeah, and and Sylvanas is
uh you know,
uh Patty Patty Mattson is like
absolutely hamming it up for her and
like really so. super leaning into
Sylvanas mode here. Um
uh and uh and yeah, and she's and then
you know, she's here and she just
decides to drop give us a few little
nuggets. Well, okay, so the first thing
she says first thing she says is like,
"Well, nephew I do like that line where
she's like, well, nephew I can, but it
takes its toll." I thought she delivered
that line beautifully and the animation
on the face was beautiful when she said
that. She just seemed very tired and I
loved that. I thought that was a really
good characterization of her and it was
really cool. But like, um, and she's
like, you know,
"You said that Silvermoon was in danger
and that it would need Mhm. its Ranger
General one last time."
>> last time. And I'm like, yeah, no, but I
take issue with that, okay? Because she
didn't help. No. Like, she saved her
sister and Arator, yes, awesome, great.
But like, she didn't help with the
defense of Silvermoon.
>> Maybe it was a Ranger General we
wouldn't have lost. Maybe it'll turn out
that she was there just like pew-pewing
from the back.
>> know, maybe. I don't know. I'm with you.
>> I don't know. I think it'd be much
better if she arrived during the fight.
>> I'm with you.
>> If like if if like part of the Lura
fight she'd like appeared out of the
portal and helped then or any point. But
like to be like, "Oh, I heard you guys
needed your Ranger General." It's like,
yeah, we did. Where the [ __ ] were you?
Yeah.
>> Like, she wasn't there. She didn't help.
She saved She saved two people, but she
didn't help in the fight. No, you're
right.
>> Like, she didn't help in the the like
the march. She didn't help in the
battle.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, But it does seem like she can only
really be there briefly. She can appear.
For sure, for sure. Okay, but And then
she she literally goes, right? Wait,
like she was like, "That's fine, but
don't act like don't like you were there
then."
>> Yeah, but well, you know, she came to
help.
>> needed your Ranger General one last
time. It would have been nice, Sylvanas.
Yeah man.
>> Yeah, yeah, okay. I get I get I get your
kind of issue with that, though. And
then,
you know, and then she's like, "Well,
all is not as it seems in the
Shadowlands."
>> is the thing everyone wants to talk
about, okay? And we're like, huh? And
then and everyone's like, "Oh, no, she
said it she said the she said the
words."
Okay, so what this does is, right? So,
obviously you remember the Arator quests
at the end of the War Within where you
go to the Shadowlands and Sylvanas plays
her harp. And I love those quests. I
thought they were really really good. I
thought those were very cool. And she's
got a line in that which we never
actually made a video out of at the end
cuz I got a feeling I was going to be
able to do it later and here we are.
Uh, where she's like,
"There is something wrong with the
Shadowlands.
It is too ordered, too And we've talked
a lot about this on stream. Uh, but and
you know, it was like, "Well, is this
going to be something they deal with now
or is it coming later or something like
that?" And it's very much something
they're going to be doing now, clearly.
Uh, because yes, she she brings it to
the foreground
where she's like, "Oh, and there's that
other line in in uh, K'aresh where um,
what's her name? Who's the brilliant uh,
Ethereal in K'aresh that we all love who
was in the mall? Venari.
>> Venari's like, "I have been to the
Shadowlands. I know what it is you
fear." Yeah. Zaladormu, right? She's a
cool dude. Yeah, and all that stuff. And
And like And so, what Sylvanas is saying
here, where she's like, "I've got to get
to the truth of the Shadowlands. It's
not what it seems, etc." This is like
very much putting that front and center
now. So, it's it's it's going to be a
main thing, right?
Uh, which which okay, cool. So, here we
are. Let's talk about what that means.
And obviously, I'm going to be talking
about it a lot in the cinematic
analysis. Going to take up the bulk of
the cinematic analysis, probably.
Um but
what do you think it means, Evie?
I mean, there is a hint that the
Shadowlands is just a place created by
the
Titans or whatever. Right.
>> Exactly. This world is a prison.
>> Yeah. The Shadowlands are a prison.
Yeah. Right. In a In In In a In a
nutshell. That's been kind of like the
the going theory.
>> Exactly. And I don't want to get into it
too much cuz we'll get into it deep in
uh, cuz I don't think we've ever done a
main channel video on something like
something we've done something we've
done we've done a lot of on stream and
and therefore on the second channel a
bit. Uh, but
>> Um,
I will go into a lot of detail on it,
but
for now, just so I can tell you where
we're at. Mhm. Um, people are going to
call this and have been calling it for
since that original Sylvanas quest
that we were just talking about, the
reconning of Shadowlands.
>> Mhm.
Um, this idea and the idea of reconning
Shadowlands has always been very popular
ever since everyone hated Shadowlands.
They were like, "Can we just recon the
[ __ ] out of this and pretend it never
happened?" And Blizzard have never done
that. They've always kind of leaned into
Shadowlands in a way that I kind of
respect, right? Not not making it very
like relevant, but very much kind of
keeping it there in a thing. Um, and
then Sylvanas' line like, "It's too
ordered."
which definitely suggests something to
do with Titans and stuff like that,
obviously. So, here's my take on that.
Um,
one,
the reconning of Shadowlands.
>> Mhm. My take on this is that
the recontextualization that they appear
to be leaning in towards Shadowlands is
less a recon
and actually
changing something that was a recon to
be more like it was in the first place.
So, it's almost like a reverse recon. I
don't like calling it a recon cuz it's
like Oh, sure.
>> It's it's a restoration
>> Yeah. as it were.
>> A reconciliation.
>> Exactly.
>> yeah. So, so my take is this, right? And
I said this in the build-up to the
Shadowlands expansion, which I was
excited about when they announced it,
but like before they announced it and
everyone was going, "What do you think
of a Shadowlands expansion, Taliesin?" I
was like, "I think that's a [ __ ]
terrible idea." Because the Shadowlands
is just like a death version of the
Emerald Dream. As in, it is a recreation
of it it's Azeroth, but a different like
phase of Azeroth, basically. That's what
the Emerald Dream is for life and
Shadowlands is that for death. So, like
>> It's where you go when you're a wisp,
right?
>> Exactly. So, if you are going to do an
expansion set in the Shadowlands, you're
going to have to do the expansion stuff.
You're going to going to give it
different zones with different
aesthetics and different characters and
societies and hierarchical structures
and rules. And it's like, no one wants
that in the Shadowlands. You're like,
you're you're forcing stuff into the
Shadowlands which it just isn't. Like,
it's just like a [ __ ] ghosty Emerald
Dream, okay? Keep it like that. That's
what it is. Think of something else to
do an expansion on. And lo and behold.
Um so
the mere existence of the Shadowlands
expansion was the recon. Sure. The whole
there's a million different realms and
this realm does that and this realm does
that. And also, everything from the
Great Dark Beyond comes here when they
die.
And also, this And the biggest recon of
all was the Shadowlands is the realm of
death. Yes.
>> Shadowlands is not the realm of death.
You only have to look and I I've been
beating this drum since Shadowlands,
okay?
And people were like, "Taliesin, stop
beating this drum."
But I'm going to be proven right, okay?
>> He just loves to beat it.
>> I I I love beating it. Every day. That's
why one arm is so big. And you only have
to look at Chronicle. The Shadowlands is
shown as being part of the Great Dark
Beyond. It is part of our reality. It's
obviously death realm adjacent, but it's
not part of the death realm.
>> Why don't we have just like a giant
poster of the Chronicle like map?
>> Yeah, we we should, actually. Um, it's
[laughter] not the Shadowlands in
Chronicle and in the way it was always
presented in game was not part of the
death realm. Making it part of like just
as the Emerald Dream is not part of the
life realm. They are part of our reality
and they are reflections of Azeroth in
different states, both of them. Um, and
Shadowlands reconned that to make the
Shadowlands expansion happen. Where I
think they're going with this story
right now is they are reconning the
recon. And they're going, "Oh,
don't you wonder why the Shadowlands are
so weird?"
>> Mhm. Well, that's because it's not the
realm of death. It's a [ __ ] Titan
construct just like the [ __ ] Emerald
Dream is, okay? So, like, yes. They're
actually They're They're They're putting
the lore back to what it was before and
they're going, "Oh, the actual realm of
death? No, we've never actually been
there." So, all that [ __ ] that happened
like the Shadowlands, yeah, it's just a
weird Titan thing. And yes, that,
please. That works better. No, people
saying that's messy? No, that's good,
actually. That actually like this is a
very If this is what they're doing and
it looks certain that they are to me,
this is very good cuz Shadowlands lore
is messy. The stuff that they tried to
turn Shadowlands into is messy and
doesn't make sense. Recontextualizing it
as what it always was in the first
place, which is the death version of the
Emerald Dream, that cleans it up. That
makes it better. That like separates it
off and makes it what it should have
been all along. Like, this is this is a
reverse recon if this is indeed what
they're doing and I'm certain they are.
And that's brilliant. I love that.
That's fantastic. Of course,
Sylvanas could have maybe told us that
instead of going,
"I will tell you about it some other
time."
>> No. "I will not rest until I will not
rest I will not rest until I
I figure it out. Um, and and so what I I
I Bye. I mean, I'm very much in And I've
always been against reconning the
Shadowlands. I'm like, you can't just
recon [ __ ] whole expansions. Like,
it's there, deal with it, work around
it, work through it, you know, make it
good.
Um, and but this I do approve of because
it's actually
improving the situation, but also like
making And I've been I've been saying
this for so many years. Whenever someone
asks me about it on stream, I I pull up
the [ __ ] Chronicle
like uh, cosmos chart and I'll be like,
well,
I've always said I And And I will die on
this hill that Shadowlands
it's not actually in the realm of death.
We just need to look at it like this.
And so, all the talk about it being in
the realm Maybe they don't know. Maybe
the people in the Shadowlands think it
is realm of death, but it's not. And And
I'm just I'm just I think I'm being
vindicated here. I think I you know, I
think I I yes, this was a good call from
me for years and years and years in the
face in the face of mockery and
>> I remember. Yeah. So, like yeah.
This is where I think they're going with
it. And two, the other thing that a lot
of people are talking about is the idea
of um
death being what Xal'atath fears and
what the void fears. And this whole
thing of the void fearing death.
>> up repeatedly, doesn't it?
>> So, the first time it came up was in the
three sisters comic
leading up to BfA where, you know,
Alleria is there and she's having all of
these um
like whispers and they go [ __ ] nuts
when Sylvanas is around there. Like,
"Oh, she is the enemy of everything."
And blah blah. And they're like And
everyone, myself included, was like,
"Wow, the void is scared of of death?
Okay, why would And they haven't really
touched on that again until recently
again where the Venari line was like,
"I've been to the Shadowlands. I see
what you fear."
>> Yeah. And everyone was like, "Oh, yeah,
the
the void is scared of death." And now
with this scene between Xal'atath
clearly knows who Sylvanas is. Mhm. And
Sylvanas is like, "Death comes for
everyone, Xal'atath, even your wretched
kind." And And that [laughter]
And I
I love Xal'atath's reaction to that.
She's like,
"Ah, you are right. But also, I don't
need to do this right now."
>> know, I don't need to I'm going to go
>> go and do my plan. Is that okay? I'm I'm
in the middle of Sylvanas is is lovely.
I'm in the middle of my plan.
We'll sort this out some other time.
Let's go."
And she goes into [clears throat] the
portal, which I really love.
And
>> I do appreciate how like Sylvanas and
Xal'atath are like two, you know, iconic
queens of World of Warcraft, both like
quite devious, but like completely
different, like polar opposites.
>> Okay, do you want to hear my theory on
the whole void fears death? Yeah, tell
me about it quickly.
>> The void doesn't fear death. The void
doesn't fear death.
>> What does it fear? Sylvanas. Uh why? The
void sees every possible future. Okay.
Okay?
So, it it's seen So, Xal'atath has seen
that in every possible future, she wins
except one.
And that's the future where Sylvanas is
there. Oh, okay.
>> Okay? So, it's like Sylvanas by her very
presence in like the final battle makes
it the reality
the future, the potential future where
the void loses. Okay. Wait, what is this
gift of seeing all potential futures? Is
that That's what they've always said
about the void. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,
it's not Powerful. that the void fears,
it's Sylvanas. Not because she's like
the chosen one, okay?
It could be you you could you could make
it like the void fears red shirts, okay?
Because
in the one future they saw where they
lose, Alleria was wearing a red shirt,
okay? So, it's like it's not that red
shirts are powerful or particularly
meaningful or the chosen ones or
anything like that. It's that in the one
future where we lose, I saw you there.
So, it's not like she's not to
do anything. It's like the reason we
fear you is because your very existence
makes this thing possible and that's
losing possible. You know, she's not the
chosen one, it's just like [ __ ] saw
you there, right?
>> Okay. So, there's this thing of and that
fits in with all the lines. It fits in
with like the void going crazy when
Sylvanas turns up and people were like,
"Oh, they fear death." No, it's Sylvanas
they're talking about. And
Varissa's like
Venari, sorry, is like, "I've been to
the Maw. I've seen what you fear." And
everyone was like, "They fear death."
No, who's in the [ __ ] Maw? Sylvanas
doing her penance, right? Right. So,
like it's not death they're talking
about is my theory. Interesting.
>> It's Sylvanas specifically.
>> Specifically her.
>> She's an omen, yeah, quite quite right.
She's not the chosen one, she's an omen.
Yeah.
>> Okay. She's like the [ __ ] like, you
know, the the blackbird or the magpie in
in and like yeah, exactly. All right. I
am
You don't like it, do you? You don't
like my theory.
>> okay with
I guess it's it could be Could I'm
trying to see like how it would play out
and how it would feel. Like it creates a
lot of potential like, you know, people
are excited to see Sylvanas play out.
People are excited to see Sylvanas play
out in the sense that she will probably
die, right? Like will she Maybe like she
will expend herself one last time. And
then oh, well, you know, with so it kind
of fits in with what she said that as it
at the end as she's about to enter her
little Maw portal and she's like, "You
know, maybe I'll see you again
um
uh at at
the beginning of when it starts." I
forget
>> [laughter]
>> Or whatever [ __ ] is, yeah.
At the beginning of when Before the end.
No, no, no, she doesn't say before the
end. She says at the beginning of when
Someone give me the words. It's not as
snappy as it sounded when in the
cinematic, I have to say.
>> She says it is She says at the beginning
of the ending or something really along
those lines, which is like a nice uh
before the end begins. Thank you, God.
I'm so excited to see Cannot wait.
Before [laughter]
Before the end begins.
>> Yeah, before the end before the end
begins. I hope to see you again before
the end begins.
>> Yeah. Nice, nice. You know, the end
beginning is quite a nice
>> it's not as good as yours, but you're
refusing to do yours [laughter] right
now, so I'm having to I'm having to jump
in and save it. I'm filling it I'm
filling in. Yeah. The beginning
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, before the end begins. And I think
that's quite Yeah, she is ushering in
the end, right? The the ending is is is
coming right?
>> Mhm. Um
So, it's a
you know, and in the sense that it will
kind of provide some maybe closure for
some characters. I think it I think it
could be interesting. But yeah, my
initial reaction, I was like, "God,
Sylvanas is here again." It was, you
know, hinted at that she will come back
at some point. Makes perfect sense that
she's there. And then I was won over by
this kind of, "Okay, we're all in on
this bigger cosmic conspiracy now. I'm
onto something. I I'm going to figure it
out. I'm not telling you anything right
now. But I know
stuff is a foot. Keep it at the front of
your mind. Do all of your dolls and
stuff, but we'll you know, we'll pick it
up soon. Yeah.
So, Yeah. It's cool. I mean, like people
people are like, "Oh, how did she get
out of the Shadowlands?" It's like,
"Well, she was always she was always in
the Maw semi-voluntarily, right?" It's
like she went to trial.
She was found guilty or whatever. And
they were like, "Tyrande, what do you
want to do with her?" And she says,
"Your penance will be to save all the
souls from the Maw." And Sylvanas jumps
in there willingly. It's like she's not
forced there, she's not bound there.
She's not like, you know, there by any
magical kind of like chains or anything
like that. You know, she can come out
the same way same way we could. You
know, the the Maw is essentially open
now. They don't send any souls there
anymore.
So, like she can she can
in theory come I I So, I I don't I'm I
have no issue with her leaving the Maw.
Mhm. I
like Tyrande's owl is probably there
like, "I [ __ ] I closed my eyes for 1 sec
I looked away for 1 second. Where'd she
[ __ ] go?"
But like, yeah, I mean,
I'm I'm fine with that personally. Yeah.
Uh so, yeah, I I I I'd be funny if like
when she opened her portal to go back to
the Shadowlands,
um
Tyrande's owl was there like, "The [ __ ]
time you call this? Excuse me. You said
you were popping out to get some milk.
Where's my [ __ ] milk?"
>> [laughter]
>> I know. I know.
Um so, yeah, you know, I I I was almost
like not ready for this cuz I'm like I'm
enjoying Silvermoon. I'm enjoying the
threat. I'm enjoying the elves. I'm
enjoying I like this. I like this world.
And then Sylvanas is kind of not of that
world. She's of something else. And I
know she's there just to you know, this
is just the ending of the cinematic
at the end of the raid and other things
will happen before she steps back in as
part of the story.
But I was like, "I'm not ready." But of
course they needed it in a big explosive
moment, didn't they? They needed it in
like an impactful moment. So, it makes
sense to do there. But I'm like, "I just
want
I'm just going to hang out in
Silvermoon. Just change the skybox
again. Just want to Just want things to
be okay for a little Oh, and then the
skybox. Okay, so like the void storm is
over. There's no beam coming down from
the sky anymore. There's no portal. Oh.
>> normal skybox. Oh, hell no. Everything's
light and sunny and nice again in
Silvermoon and there's no big crack in
the sky. There's no beam coming down.
It's just a beautiful sunny day. And now
all that lovely triumphant Silvermoon
music, ba ba [singing]
ba ba ba, all that [ __ ]
You really feel like you've earned it in
the city now. It's really good. It went
all dark and spooky for a while and then
you fought through. And like you've seen
three different iterations of that big
hole in the sky and now it's gone. And
you do genuinely feel like you I was
walking around there and I was like,
"I did this." You did that.
>> pretty awesome.
>> Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
That's so cool. And And like actually it
does feel really really good, that bit.
But um yeah, I
I don't hate the Sylvanas thing.
But two things can be true at the same
time. And like actually three things can
be true at the same time. I don't hate
it.
I thought like the lore stuff was very
fun to talk about and I appreciate that
kind of [ __ ] Definitely.
But also, I think it's the dumbest
[ __ ] [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life.
>> [laughter]
>> I just wasn't ready for it. I just
wasn't ready.
>> Like And And I know And I know Sylvanas
is a Windrunner sister. This has been
crucial. I just thought it was the
dumbest [ __ ] [ __ ] Everyone's talking
about her all the time.
We've been going to Windrunner Spire.
We've done the story with Lirath. We've
done We've You know, we're It's like
Windrunner town here. We literally are
in Windrunner town.
>> And you know, maybe maybe that maybe
this will be part of like
Sylvanas
I think they need to
free Sylvanas from yeah, the negative
connotations she carries from
Shadowlands. As be you know, I feel like
this is
>> a little bit of sick in your stomach
though because it reminds you so much of
Shadowlands?
>> Yes, of course. When she came out
>> feet are like there's like the black and
I'm like I was like getting like this is
giving me some emotions I've been locked
away for a while.
>> if this is a thing but her I think feel
like her model looks crazy. Her face is
like
I will save you before the beginning of
the end. I'm going to say this
>> her and then it gets to Sylvanas
Sylvanas has like teeth and she's got
like she's got like mobile eyes and
she's like
rolling her you know and
maybe cuz she is kind of dead you know.
Maybe it's cuz Sylvanas is is like in
the Maw and um but her seeing her like
[100:00] the style of her
[100:03] character her face her model I was like
[100:07] ah
[100:08] No. Do you know yeah. Yes. So
[100:11] I'm going to say this one time and one
[100:13] time only okay people are mentioning it
[100:15] in the chat.
[100:16] >> Okay. Um
[100:19] Sylvanas is not
[100:21] doing what she's doing in the Maw
[100:24] for redemption.
[100:25] She's doing it for penance which are two
[100:28] very different things okay penance and
[100:30] redemption okay ask any priest player
[100:32] two very different abilities okay like
[100:35] redemption means you make up for the
[100:39] thing. Okay and set it right. Okay.
[100:42] Penance means you pay for it and you
[100:45] serve your time. Okay. So like you know
[100:49] when you put someone in jail you're not
[100:51] making things right. It doesn't undo the
[100:53] crime they did. They're serving their
[100:55] punishment right. Whereas if you if you
[100:58] make someone build something or like you
[101:00] know I don't know I don't know what like
[101:02] the the redemption would be but like
[101:04] Sylvanas is not doing what she's doing
[101:07] for redemption.
[101:08] She doesn't want redemption. And people
[101:10] don't need to consider her redeemed.
[101:13] Like penance you know it's like
[101:16] you would you don't have to forgive
[101:17] someone who committed a crime to accept
[101:20] that when they've done their time in
[101:21] prison their time is served and they
[101:23] should be let out right like and and and
[101:26] you don't have to forgive them you don't
[101:27] have to they don't have to be redeemed
[101:30] but they have served their penance.
[101:32] Yeah. And and like that's that's what's
[101:35] I mean that's the literal word Sylvanas
[101:37] uses right and she said at the time
[101:38] >> I'm doing my penance. I don't want to
[101:39] have this conversation like every single
[101:41] time we talk about this I know she's I'm
[101:43] not talking about any comment in
[101:44] particular cuz I've lots of people
[101:45] saying it and you know it's just like
[101:47] but there's never been any suggestion
[101:49] that she would be redeemed. She she says
[101:52] the words in Shadowlands there is no
[101:53] redemption for me.
[101:55] Um
[101:56] even when the whole soul thing was
[101:57] revealed right and and and you know like
[102:01] it her kind of penance in the Maw her
[102:04] atonement has never been framed as
[102:06] redemption. It's always been framed as
[102:09] this is your punishment.
[102:10] >> Mhm. You know
[102:12] like which is is different. It's
[102:14] different. Yeah. It's like You are not
[102:15] redeemed via your penance.
[102:17] >> Exactly.
[102:18] >> Like you you know that's a whole that's
[102:20] a whole other thing yeah. Yeah so this
[102:22] is not a Sylvanas redemption arc like
[102:24] she never has to be redeemed.
[102:25] >> Mhm. In order to still be an interesting
[102:27] and and meaningful character. Like you
[102:29] know it's like yeah it just doesn't need
[102:31] to be. Mhm. And I don't think she will
[102:32] be. Yeah. So yeah there we go. She's
[102:37] certainly have to do a bit more than
[102:38] turn up and save two people to be
[102:39] redeemed I think. Yeah. Um you know and
[102:42] then talking like she took part in the
[102:43] fight
[102:44] >> Yeah.
[102:46] No she didn't. No I don't
[102:49] >> glad I showed up?
[102:50] >> [laughter]
[102:51] >> Peace. Bye. And I will go into more
[102:55] details on all of that stuff in the
[102:56] cinematic analysis which I
[102:57] >> to go into more details?
[102:59] Yeah.
[103:00] >> [laughter]
[103:01] >> Sorry.
[103:02] Easy. Yeah but that's you know I I again
[103:05] I think a lot about what other people
[103:06] think that yes clearly the Shadowlands
[103:08] is some kind of Titan construct.
[103:10] There there is suggestion in the
[103:12] original lore the Titans did create the
[103:14] Emerald Dream. There's been suggestion
[103:15] they kind of took it over since then but
[103:17] you can you can say that the Titans have
[103:20] a strong influence on the Emerald Dream
[103:21] as well so they've created these two
[103:23] mirrors of Azeroth one full of life one
[103:26] full of
[103:27] death
[103:28] >> Mhm. both of them outside the realms of
[103:30] life and death.
[103:31] >> Mhm. And you got to think to yourself
[103:32] well why are the Titans doing that? Is
[103:34] it to stop people going to the realms of
[103:37] life and death?
[103:37] >> Mhm. It's like before they get there
[103:39] they get to the Emerald Dream or they
[103:40] get to the
[103:41] you know like what would happen to the
[103:42] lower uh if if if like or to souls if
[103:47] there was no Shadowlands and they went
[103:48] to the realm of death the realm of death
[103:50] would get more powerful. Mhm. You know
[103:52] so is is that like in the same way that
[103:55] um
[103:57] Odin created uh
[104:00] like his kind of
[104:02] halls of valor and stuff to basically
[104:04] intercept souls before they went to the
[104:07] the Shadowlands
[104:08] >> Mhm. is that basically what the
[104:09] Shadowlands is to intercept souls before
[104:11] they go to the realm of death and make
[104:13] that realm more powerful. It's like
[104:15] we're creating the Emerald Dream so that
[104:17] you know
[104:19] the life realm doesn't get more powerful
[104:21] because we're kind of keeping this stuff
[104:23] for ourselves
[104:23] >> Mhm.
[104:24] Um
[104:25] and yeah I I think it could be something
[104:27] to do with
[104:29] basically
[104:30] we're creating a [ __ ] iron dome round
[104:33] the reality basically to stop stuff
[104:34] getting out cuz we're going to keep it
[104:35] all for ourselves I think something like
[104:37] that
[104:37] >> That's interesting. I don't know that's
[104:38] vague isn't it but yeah. You have a
[104:39] think about that. In the meantime let's
[104:41] do our super chats.
[104:42] >> Yeah.
[104:43] Um but there we have it. That is the
[104:46] Yeah so that's that's where I'm leaning.
[104:48] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah well.
[104:52] There's a lot to do
[104:53] >> Yeah I like that I like that yeah. And
[104:55] then but that's it's interesting that
[104:56] when Odin
[104:57] if that is what's happening then Odin
[104:59] did the same thing he like played by the
[105:01] Titan like playbook almost when he made
[105:05] uh you know like the halls of valor. So
[105:07] yeah I I I could buy it. I could buy it.
[105:10] Yeah.
[105:11] Anyway. So super chats. Let's jump into
[105:14] our super chats. Thank you guys for
[105:15] everyone who has been dropping super
[105:17] chats. We appreciate it. Let's get
[105:20] Pan Yacht thank you so much our first
[105:22] one. Hi guys I started playing wow
[105:24] halfway through Shadowlands and you guys
[105:26] have been by far the best source of wow
[105:27] news slash lore speculation out there.
[105:30] Thank you Pan Yacht that's really nice.
[105:32] >> They wrote that before I just said all
[105:33] the [ __ ] I've been saying so maybe they
[105:34] don't think that anymore.
[105:36] Cuz I saw some people also being like
[105:38] why is every why is every saying down on
[105:40] Shadowlands? Why does everybody hate
[105:42] Sylvanas? I'm like I don't I don't I
[105:44] just I there are things I loved about
[105:46] about Shadowlands. I loved Bastion. I
[105:49] thought Bastion was super fun. I thought
[105:51] Maldraxxus was super I enjoyed elements
[105:54] of Shadowlands like a great deal. Like
[105:56] the aesthetics of Shadowlands was great
[105:57] as well gameplay wise yeah. You know the
[105:59] the Venthyr like the the aesthetics and
[106:02] the cultures like within the Shadowlands
[106:04] I loved many things about it. But the
[106:07] the story became strange
[106:11] hulking
[106:12] just mess. Yeah because It just became
[106:15] weird. The lore didn't make sense.
[106:16] >> Yeah and there's just some yeah there's
[106:19] some yeah the lore didn't make any
[106:20] sense. It was but so yeah I'm not
[106:23] nagging on that. Um and you already know
[106:26] my opinion on Sylvanas so I think she's
[106:28] like a super camp queen so
[106:29] >> Oh yeah love Sylvanas. Yeah it's
[106:31] absolutely outrageous. Um anyway next
[106:34] one is from Mr. Brightside thank you Mr.
[106:36] Brightside. Hey guys currently main a
[106:38] shadow priest nice. And this whole
[106:40] expansion feels like I'm chasing my
[106:42] ex-wife for child support money for my
[106:44] thing from beyond.
[106:47] Yeah. I love that.
[106:48] >> were still called there by the light
[106:49] that's the thing and Lotharion does have
[106:51] that line about that right he's talking
[106:55] cuz you do you do got this line as well
[106:56] where he's talking about how much he
[106:57] hates Umbric and he's like we can't let
[106:59] Umbric here doing whatever [ __ ] Umbric
[107:00] wants. He's a void look at how voidy he
[107:02] is [ __ ] him. And then you go you have
[107:04] this you have this option to ask you
[107:06] like well Lotharion you know I use the
[107:08] void Yeah. And I'm standing there like
[107:09] having tentacles and [ __ ] where like
[107:11] N'Zoth eyes and stuff all over me like
[107:13] Lotharion did did you know that I use
[107:15] the void as well? Yeah yeah. Makes the
[107:17] good point he's like you were summoned
[107:19] by the light.
[107:20] >> Mhm. Like whatever The light influence
[107:22] you have A I know you and I've worked
[107:24] with you and you've proven yourself but
[107:26] B like you were summoned here Umbric was
[107:28] not. Like he just [ __ ] rocks up which
[107:30] is a good point honestly. Yeah.
[107:32] >> [laughter]
[107:32] >> Yeah. You know so it's like I trust you
[107:35] but I don't trust that [ __ ]
[107:36] Yeah. He wasn't summoned by the by the
[107:38] light right? So I get it and also I
[107:42] still don't think he would have
[107:44] destroyed Silvermoon by destroying the
[107:46] the Nexus point. We've still only got
[107:48] that that Domina's like word on that.
[107:51] Yeah. You know the Domina well known for
[107:53] telling the truth right?
[107:54] >> Mhm. Oh my goodness don't let him
[107:56] destroy that it'll destroy all of
[107:58] Silvermoon. Oh say no more Domina who's
[108:00] been already proven to be manipulating
[108:02] us throughout this entire questline.
[108:03] Let's go and kill our mate then.
[108:05] >> Do exactly what you want me to do. Yeah.
[108:09] Anyway thank you for that one. Next one
[108:11] is from SSM
[108:13] Devil. Thank you so much me equals the
[108:16] Shawn the Shawn lovely to see you. Hey
[108:19] the Shawn absolute legend thank you.
[108:20] Just a hello always a pleasure to listen
[108:22] watch y'all cheers. Oh thank you.
[108:24] Thank you so much. Cheers mate thank
[108:26] you. I really appreciate that lovely to
[108:28] see you here too. And next one is from
[108:30] Goldtooth. Lovely lovely Goldtooth also
[108:34] dropping some subs on Twitch. You guys
[108:37] are playing both fields. I love bits. I
[108:40] love to see this thank you. After
[108:42] reading the Blizzard April Fools post we
[108:44] all need wine. Yeah. Vodka and whiskey
[108:46] and a nap. Yeah this this April Fools
[108:49] post made me feel old.
[108:50] >> Oh yeah so so The kind of the dread the
[108:53] like you know existential dread of the
[108:55] housing bit the the tease of getting
[108:59] roleplay things but not cuz apparently
[109:02] roleplay is a joke to them and then the
[109:04] um
[109:05] the like the Gen Z
[109:08] slang section really I'm like I need I
[109:10] need recovery time. But thank you. I
[109:13] agree gold tooth. Absolutely.
[109:15] >> [laughter]
[109:16] >> Thank you so much. Next one from Moxie.
[109:20] I'd like a warm out like toggle.
[109:23] That makes the world more neutral mob
[109:25] filled with no loot for our peers to get
[109:27] new places in the world to RP.
[109:30] Now. The bad thing about that is.
[109:33] That someone like me who doesn't RP but
[109:35] likes playing on RP servers so that I
[109:37] can see like so there are people I don't
[109:39] send watch but there are people RPing
[109:41] around the place which I think makes the
[109:43] world just better and like so if that
[109:45] would be great for role players but it
[109:46] would suck for me who like having role
[109:48] players around like kind of you know
[109:51] populate the world with more people and
[109:53] enriching the world so.
[109:55] >> Speaking of did you know that Magister's
[109:56] Terrace is now like open you can like
[109:58] literally just walk in there and and
[109:59] just hang out there. Yeah. It's really
[110:01] cool. It's really good. It's a good life
[110:02] hack. Even even the actual like
[110:04] void dark well as well.
[110:06] >> Yeah. So you can just hang out in there.
[110:08] Speaking of RP. It's really cool
[110:09] actually yeah and and like there is an
[110:10] open like I say skybox so there's not
[110:12] like this really noisy
[110:15] anymore. It's like it is just it it's
[110:17] just Silvermoon now. It's just like it's
[110:19] a city now. It's like yeah it's cool.
[110:21] Another one from Moxie. Thank you. If
[110:24] you didn't get invited you didn't get
[110:25] invited into the Arcanina. Arator did.
[110:28] You just followed him in and it would
[110:29] have been too awkward for them to ask
[110:30] you to leave. It's true.
[110:32] I haven't done any of their quests yet.
[110:34] I never did.
[110:35] Oh I make sure I do it every week cuz I
[110:37] don't want to have to catch up
[110:38] and just in case someone disappear and
[110:40] stuff like that and then I don't want to
[110:41] be waiting for the quest I haven't done
[110:42] to come around and like same with the
[110:44] Harren ear like I love the Harren ear
[110:46] lore quests but you miss a week there's
[110:48] no catch up. Yeah. Like it's just
[110:50] [clears throat] going to take you an
[110:50] extra week to finish it so I have to
[110:52] make sure I do those and I always always
[110:53] glad when I do cuz I think they're so
[110:55] good. Yeah. And the last I the one I did
[110:57] recently which was like a lamp it was so
[111:00] good people hearing the song and stuff
[111:02] ah like there's such good quests they're
[111:04] really really good. All right I'll do
[111:06] them.
[111:07] Thank you.
[111:08] Next one is from the Jay Scribe. Thank
[111:11] you for the super chat. Given the new
[111:13] cinematic do you think your predictions
[111:14] around Sylvanas that she'll die
[111:16] defending Silvermoon will still come to
[111:18] pass? It seems like a huge miss for a
[111:20] satisfying arc if not. I think she'll
[111:22] die. Ah.
[111:24] I don't think she'll die specifically
[111:26] defending Silvermoon. So like she she's
[111:29] done defending Silvermoon now even
[111:31] though she [ __ ] didn't. But like.
[111:33] That like.
[111:35] They need
[111:36] ranger general one more time.
[111:38] >> One last time.
[111:39] >> yeah that's why we asked for Halford.
[111:41] And Halford wasn't there. Halford was
[111:43] there. Halford actually took part in the
[111:45] fight.
[111:45] >> Hello.
[111:46] Like we had our ranger general. He was
[111:49] he was [ __ ] there. Hello. He actually
[111:53] came when we asked him to.
[111:56] [ __ ] with you.
[111:58] So.
[111:59] My boy Halford. She's so insane. I love
[112:02] it. She just walked in and she's like.
[112:04] So no I I don't think she will die
[112:06] specifically in defense of Silvermoon
[112:08] but she could still die. Like but it for
[112:10] me it was the beautiful symmetry and the
[112:12] beautiful kind of squaring of the circle
[112:16] of you know she is Sylvanas as we know
[112:19] her because she failed A failed to
[112:21] protect her home B wasn't allowed to die
[112:25] get turned into a banshee instead. So
[112:27] successfully defending her home and
[112:29] being allowed to die would be beautiful
[112:32] symmetry but that's not what happened
[112:33] now and then.
[112:34] I'm not saying what will happen is bad
[112:35] but. We shall see.
[112:38] Next one is from George Howard. Thank
[112:40] you for the super chat. Approximately
[112:42] how loud was your gasp during the post
[112:43] march cinematic? Mine was more of a
[112:45] groan but it was also like
[112:49] I went through like many emotions. Yeah.
[112:51] I don't know
[112:52] I really enjoyed it. I thought it was I
[112:54] thought it was super fun outrageously
[112:56] over the top.
[112:57] >> It was so dumb.
[112:58] >> It was so outrageously over the top.
[113:01] But it gave people some people what they
[113:03] needed right?
[113:04] >> I feel like it could have been done but
[113:05] not so dumb. I feel like if you're doing
[113:07] it you have to put she has to be she has
[113:11] to flounce in. She has to claim like you
[113:14] know she has to basically miss with the
[113:16] arrow. She has to say she's the ranger
[113:18] general even though like you say Halford
[113:20] was there. She has to have this like she
[113:22] has the female equivalent of like
[113:24] machismo whatever that is like she's you
[113:26] know.
[113:26] >> I I tell you what I tell you what it
[113:28] was. I think it's because like.
[113:32] Arator and
[113:34] uh.
[113:35] Marisa being in danger.
[113:38] Was so.
[113:40] Out of nowhere. Mhm.
[113:42] >> They weren't in danger. They were out of
[113:44] the fight.
[113:44] >> Sure maybe there's there's something
[113:45] missing there clearly.
[113:47] >> and and like suddenly they're in danger
[113:49] and like that's the thing they're being
[113:50] saved from and it's like no they were
[113:52] never in danger. They were never part of
[113:54] this fight. They weren't in any peril at
[113:56] all. You know it's it's like I don't I
[114:00] don't see the connection between us
[114:02] beating Lurra which is what happens.
[114:04] Mhm. And then.
[114:06] That results in Zalathas being about to
[114:08] kill those two. There's no connection it
[114:11] doesn't like there's no doesn't make
[114:12] sense for me that's like such a
[114:14] disconnect.
[114:14] >> Mhm.
[114:16] That's what makes Sylvanas coming in and
[114:17] saving them so dumb is because actually
[114:19] them being in danger is the dumb thing.
[114:21] I get what you mean. There's a little
[114:22] bit of a. Yeah there's for me there's a
[114:25] huge disconnect there. There's no hint
[114:26] that they were in danger. I don't see.
[114:28] >> Maybe you just missed something.
[114:29] >> see the cause and effect of us beating
[114:31] Lurra and then.
[114:33] Oh because we did this that means
[114:35] Zalathas can kill these two. It doesn't
[114:37] make any sense. I get I get what you
[114:39] mean. Like. For me yeah interesting.
[114:42] Okay I'll have to play through it and
[114:43] see see what is there.
[114:45] Thank you for that one. Next one is from
[114:47] John Angel Angelmo. So I have to ask do
[114:51] you both wear pants while you live
[114:52] stream? You probably saw my knee at some
[114:54] point cuz I sit like this sometime.
[114:55] There you go. I'm wearing pants. I too
[114:58] wear pants. I'm I'm afraid only when we
[115:00] live stream only because we're in the
[115:02] room at the same time together and the
[115:03] temptation otherwise would be just too
[115:05] much.
[115:07] But when I'm here by myself sometimes I
[115:08] don't. I'll just I'll show off my pants
[115:10] while I'm here cuz I'M WEARING PANTS.
[115:14] WHALEBONE corduroy tweed trousers today.
[115:17] >> All right granddad. Yeah. They're all
[115:20] right granddad they're pretty nice.
[115:21] Anyway sorry sorry if you're listening
[115:23] to this on Spotify
[115:27] oh people complaining that wasn't on.
[115:29] Yes I know thank yes I know I've had a
[115:31] busy week thank you.
[115:32] >> been very busy sorry. We'll be with you
[115:34] but
[115:35] these episodes will be up tomorrow for
[115:36] sure. Sorry and I I just want to say
[115:38] actually that has cleared it up in my
[115:40] head. That's the problem I was having
[115:41] with it the cinematic is that. How did
[115:43] we get there? There's no cause and
[115:45] effect like.
[115:47] Us fighting Lurra and defeating Lurra
[115:51] seems completely disconnected from oh so
[115:53] now Zalathas can kill these two. It just
[115:55] doesn't make any like yeah that's the
[115:57] issue I'm having that's my problem with
[115:58] the cinematic. Thank you for allowing me
[115:59] to talk through that thank you.
[116:01] >> go.
[116:02] It's like therapy. And next one is from
[116:04] Tanazir. Thank you so much for the super
[116:06] chat it's amazing. What do you think of
[116:08] the idea of Blizz adding a world
[116:10] criteria to the seasonal achievement?
[116:12] For example season one champion of the
[116:14] dawn so you could do something like
[116:17] reach level 10 in Delver's Journey slash
[116:19] Preyseekers to complete the achievement.
[116:21] Oh I see what you're saying. Yeah yeah.
[116:24] I think that makes sense. Any
[116:25] achievements with rewards for
[116:26] progressing through basically anything
[116:27] I'm into.
[116:28] >> content yeah. Yeah yeah
[116:30] I love that idea. Oh the the little
[116:31] dopamine hits I get I hits I get every
[116:34] time I like complete something in the
[116:35] traveler's log or I complete something
[116:37] on the endeavor list like just by doing
[116:38] stuff out in the world feels good.
[116:40] >> Yeah and you get a lot of that as you
[116:41] kind of progressing through mythic plus
[116:42] and stuff as well and getting those and
[116:44] getting all mats and [ __ ] popping it's
[116:45] nice. I I I like that idea. I think it
[116:48] would be cool.
[116:48] >> Yeah. Make sense.
[116:50] Thank you Tanazir that's lovely. Next
[116:52] one is from disappointed Buddha.
[116:55] Why does Sylvanas look like she got all
[116:57] her buccal fat removed and transferred
[116:59] to her lips? She looks like she got DLS
[117:01] five filter thrown on her. Thank you.
[117:04] >> [sighs and gasps]
[117:05] >> It's just the contrast between her and
[117:08] Zalathas.
[117:09] >> The very expressive and they they are
[117:11] like.
[117:12] Making Zalathas more kind of like less
[117:15] less less yas if I can say that to be
[117:18] honest they're kind of like making her a
[117:19] bit more grotesque gradually.
[117:21] >> Yeah
[117:22] yeah I wouldn't say she's grotesque but.
[117:23] I don't mean grotesque as in
[117:24] unattractive I mean grotesque as in like
[117:27] a grotesque.
[117:28] >> She's not posing so much anymore. She's
[117:30] not like giving us face. Well she's not
[117:33] trying to get.
[117:35] She doesn't need to get anything out of
[117:36] us like
[117:38] Zalathas mask lifted the moment she
[117:40] stabbed Alleria. Yeah yeah. She doesn't
[117:45] need she doesn't need to keep up any
[117:46] pretense with any of us anymore. You
[117:48] know there's that thing of like she was
[117:50] playing a game the game is over. Now
[117:52] she's just like [ __ ] it [ __ ] you guys.
[117:55] >> and you see that in her face whereas
[117:57] Sylvanas is a banshee she's been in this
[118:00] banshee form for quite a while she's
[118:01] been dead for a while. Her face is
[118:03] unmoving and you never see her teeth. I
[118:05] don't know why this like it's just weird
[118:07] to me.
[118:10] They're Exactly maybe they're saving it
[118:13] for like a big reveal or there's
[118:14] something really horrific but
[118:16] yeah I like something
[118:19] yeah. Yeah her their face looks wild
[118:22] but I guess that's part of maybe that's
[118:24] part of the effect.
[118:25] Anyway I'm glad I'm not alone in this
[118:27] assessment.
[118:28] Next one is from Jay Smithy lovely to
[118:31] see you. Hello you lovely individuals.
[118:33] Do you think the void actually fears the
[118:35] Titans? Yeah it could be. Since
[118:37] Shadowlands is supposed to be a Titan
[118:39] construct they fear death. I don't think
[118:43] I think the void fear anything. Like I
[118:46] think the void you know it's like.
[118:49] Do you fear cars if you look both ways
[118:52] before you. No they're not like. It's
[118:54] like you're wary of them. It's like you
[118:56] know they can do you damage but say you
[118:58] fear them. It's like no I don't fear
[119:00] them cuz I know if I do look both ways
[119:02] before I cross the street, if I take the
[119:04] if I take the necessary precautions
[119:07] like the cars cars aren't going to hurt
[119:09] me, right? And I feel like that's the
[119:10] void with everything basically. Yeah,
[119:12] the void like the void isn't sitting
[119:13] there having a chat about like what
[119:15] they're afraid of.
[119:16] >> naive enough to think that nothing can
[119:18] hurt them. No. But they're like I just
[119:20] don't think you will. Yeah.
[119:22] I'm going to I'm going to do everything
[119:23] in my power to make sure you don't stop
[119:24] Exactly. Why would I would she?
[119:27] Um but yeah, great. Thank you for that
[119:28] one. Uh next one is from Powder Gem. I
[119:32] think Sylvanas' moment came too soon for
[119:34] me. I it really feels like she should be
[119:36] the very last person to swoop in, but I
[119:38] think it really shows how alone Zal
[119:40] really is. That's a really good point.
[119:42] Thanks for the stream. That's a really
[119:44] good point, Powder Gem. Zal's half is
[119:46] alone in all [clears throat] of this.
[119:49] She has no allies. Like she literally
[119:52] just has some armies that she bosses
[119:54] around.
[119:55] >> Yeah. And she gets them to do what she
[119:57] wants, but she
[119:58] Oh, this is a really good point. She is
[120:01] extremely alone. Um
[120:03] whereas we have the power of friendship.
[120:07] And and and
[120:09] like a political allyship. Yeah,
[120:11] exactly. We have the power of friendship
[120:13] like relationships of like political
[120:15] convenience.
[120:17] Zal's half has nothing when you think
[120:19] about it.
[120:20] >> Don't you think she likes it that way
[120:21] though? Of course she she loves it. But
[120:24] you know, like makes you think like
[120:26] what's her goal? Well,
[120:28] she just wants
[120:29] >> She wants the world's She wants the
[120:30] world's soul.
[120:32] Maybe cuz she wants to make a friend.
[120:33] >> Yeah. Maybe that's she wants the world's
[120:35] soul to be her friend.
[120:37] Her whole
[120:39] Like her whole thing is like the world's
[120:41] soul will be born.
[120:42] >> Yeah. And she's going to be my BFF. So I
[120:44] I I think something actually that a lot
[120:46] of people will have missed
[120:47] [clears throat] from the cinematic is
[120:48] that
[120:50] Zal's half doesn't just disappear. She
[120:52] travels down through the dark well.
[120:54] >> she goes in there. And that's very
[120:55] important.
[120:56] I think it would have been good to see
[120:58] other things traveling down into the
[120:59] dark well. That's what I expected. Mhm.
[121:02] You know, and I didn't get it at the end
[121:02] of the fight and I didn't get it
[121:05] in the cinematic was I think the idea is
[121:09] lots of stuff has just been transferred
[121:11] through the dark well. Like lots of like
[121:13] voidy baddies and now Zal's half as
[121:16] well. And I feel like maybe that wasn't
[121:18] clear to a lot of people. That's Yeah,
[121:20] but that's a That's a good point
[121:21] actually. But she she just goes like I
[121:23] think that could be made a little bit
[121:24] more explicit.
[121:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh but yeah, this has got me
[121:27] thinking about how yeah, how Zal's half
[121:30] has always been a solo operator, but she
[121:31] is like purely alone. Like no one
[121:33] respects her. No one like
[121:36] you know,
[121:36] like looks up to you know, people don't
[121:39] follow her. She just Well, no.
[121:42] >> Well, she had the Twilight's Blade, but
[121:44] they're all you know.
[121:45] >> Twilight's Blade and also the Shadow
[121:47] Guard. Like I mean in Kresh there's
[121:49] literal encampments of Zal's half
[121:52] worshipers. Oh yeah, they're
[121:53] But like but it's all quite hollow.
[121:56] Anyway, it's it's kind of got me
[121:57] thinking about this. Anyway, thank you.
[121:58] >> Isn't the void well just a hole? If you
[122:00] you can run into the dark well after the
[122:02] raid once it's been completed
[122:04] cuz it all of that's just open. You can
[122:06] just go in
[122:07] and the dark well's there and I ran into
[122:09] it and you start swimming for about half
[122:10] a second before you die.
[122:12] But you do start swimming. You're like
[122:14] and then you die. Just kills you. Yeah.
[122:17] >> [laughter]
[122:18] >> Did she go down or up? She went down.
[122:20] >> down.
[122:23] Uh next one is from the Mars Art
[122:25] Groupie. Lovely to see you. Hate my
[122:27] anxiety. Sylvanas mentions a price for
[122:29] returning and I'm like did Nathanos
[122:31] sacrifice himself?
[122:33] >> [laughter]
[122:34] >> That'd be so funny. Oh no.
[122:36] She didn't so much say that there was a
[122:38] price because that would have made me
[122:39] think of that as well. She says it takes
[122:41] its toll. So that does specify
[122:43] specifically to her, doesn't it? Uh no,
[122:46] no. The toll could be taken
[122:48] >> No, it's not I have to pay a toll. It's
[122:49] it's takes its toll.
[122:51] >> its toll on
[122:53] I don't know. I think it's pretty open.
[122:55] Nothing indicated that. Why am I like
[122:56] this? Oh [laughter] my
[122:58] I love how your brain went there.
[123:00] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[123:01] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
[123:01] I I I I I I I kind of like it. I kind of
[123:03] like it.
[123:04] And the last one is from Moxen. Maybe
[123:07] Sylvanas will take over Ennares' body to
[123:09] replace her own rotting corpse and kick
[123:11] Zally out.
[123:13] I wonder where Ennares' soul is
[123:15] mentally. Ennares is Zal's half's like
[123:18] body giver.
[123:19] >> we killed
[123:20] in in the BFA quest. You did that.
[123:22] You did that.
[123:23] >> It was me. Well, you too. Yeah, I did
[123:25] that.
[123:26] >> [laughter]
[123:26] >> But you know.
[123:27] Um ooh. Uh yeah, I mean that could be
[123:30] cool. I I feel like Sylvanas could get a
[123:32] new body anytime she wanted. She doesn't
[123:34] really want a new body. No, she wants
[123:35] she wants She's okay with with Nathanos
[123:38] having a new body who also happens to be
[123:39] his cousin. But for her she's just like
[123:42] nah like
[123:44] have you seen me? Yeah.
[123:47] Seen how hot I am? Um but yeah, and I do
[123:51] love I do love the idea of seeing Zal's
[123:52] half's true form at some point. Like
[123:54] that's definitely got to be
[123:56] got to be on the cards.
[123:57] >> sure she even has a true form though.
[123:59] >> She's just Even if it's like horrible
[124:01] energy. We've seen her as a mortal.
[124:02] We've seen her as like a void being in
[124:05] the flashback quests. I have no doubt I
[124:07] have no doubt that like she does look
[124:09] like something now. Like when when we
[124:11] fight her there'll be a part of the
[124:13] fight where she turns into some big
[124:14] tentacley thing, right? For sure. Yeah.
[124:16] >> But like a really nasty one. And also I
[124:19] think you know, it's pretty much on the
[124:20] cards that Nathanos is going to pop up
[124:21] at some point as well. So
[124:23] yeah, I'm I'm I'm really really
[124:25] interested as to where the story's going
[124:27] to go next. I think the next patch
[124:31] you know, I mean we're all looking at
[124:32] the Isle of Fangs. That seems to be
[124:33] setting up quite heavily
[124:36] and uh Utech
[124:38] um and that big island off the off the
[124:40] coast of
[124:41] you know, that seems to me pretty
[124:44] explicitly being set up as a
[124:45] as a new
[124:47] um patch zone which seems to be point
[124:49] one.
[124:51] Uh
[124:51] hot tip, if you want to explore that
[124:54] island Oh. don't go on a shaman and do
[124:57] farsight. That's boring. Go into the
[124:59] Windrunner Spire dungeon because the
[125:01] Windrunner Spire dungeon recreates
[125:04] all of
[125:06] uh the
[125:07] midnight zones as part of its just view
[125:11] from the spire. So you can then jump off
[125:13] of the spire, land in the sea, swim It's
[125:17] going to take you a while. Swim to the
[125:19] island of Utech where it there's nothing
[125:22] to push you out cuz they didn't think
[125:23] anyone would do it and you can just walk
[125:25] around and have a little explore if you
[125:26] like.
[125:27] Very nice.
[125:29] >> That's the kind of thing you want to do.
[125:30] >> might have to do that. It won't be long
[125:31] before you're exploring it just as the
[125:33] game intended anyway, but if you really
[125:34] want to
[125:36] give it a go. Needle hot
[125:38] tip, Tally. [laughter] Thank you. Yeah,
[125:40] always the whole Eastern Kingdoms in the
[125:41] Windrunner dungeon. That's awesome.
[125:43] Yeah.
[125:45] Right. Um yeah, so there we are. Thank
[125:47] you to everyone who
[125:48] jumped in with the super chat there.
[125:50] Much appreciated. Thank you to everyone
[125:51] who joined in this chat about the
[125:54] cinematic.
[125:55] Can I just get some reactions to the
[125:56] cinematic in chat real quick? Like uh
[125:59] Yeah. Say something. Positive, negative.
[126:01] Just suggest whether you thought it was
[126:02] good or not. Good, bad.
[126:05] I'm seeing you know
[126:07] very clearly mixed. Generally the
[126:08] reactions to the void spire cinematic
[126:10] were very good. I thought it was like
[126:11] clever. There was a really good payoff.
[126:14] Uh
[126:16] generally I'm seeing people not so
[126:18] thrilled with this one and it's very
[126:19] easy to see why. Yeah, of course.
[126:21] There's a character with a lot of
[126:23] baggage. Like you know. And there's
[126:25] there was lots of things that I really
[126:26] liked about it and lots Well, just
[126:28] seeing
[126:29] the Rissa in a cinematic She's so
[126:34] pretty.
[126:34] >> Yeah. Like I like her. She's waited so
[126:37] long to be in a cinematic.
[126:39] >> And it was so good That was like
[126:40] honestly my favorite part of it was
[126:41] seeing her in it. I was like yeah,
[126:44] that's the Windrunner I want to see in
[126:45] this cinematic.
[126:46] >> with Sylvanas. I thought that was the
[126:47] best the best part of it. I thought it
[126:49] was good.
[126:50] Um It was okay, kind of short.
[126:53] It's a raid ending cinematic which means
[126:56] it has to like it has to be short enough
[126:59] so that loot is still rollable by the
[127:02] time you finish watching it. And this
[127:03] isn't even a joke. Like it can't be too
[127:06] long because you have to be able to
[127:08] watch it in its entirety and then still
[127:11] be able to roll on the loot when you
[127:12] come out of it. Like
[127:15] I know it sounds stupid, but that's like
[127:17] a genuine consideration.
[127:20] >> [laughter]
[127:21] >> Like that is that's a genuine
[127:23] confinement you have with raid ending
[127:24] cinematics.
[127:26] >> [laughter]
[127:29] >> Yeah. All right.
[127:31] Uh thank you guys and thank you to
[127:32] everyone who joined us on this unusual
[127:35] day to be recording. Glad to see so many
[127:38] of you turn out for it. It's much
[127:39] appreciated. Thank you to 100% not
[127:42] Thundaz. Thank you for that and jumping
[127:44] in with the last one. Hey fam, have
[127:46] popped in and out when the conversation
[127:47] felt safe from spoilers.
[127:49] >> Appreciate you, Thundaz. Thank you.
[127:50] >> Thanks for the incredible content.
[127:51] Looking forward to watching this
[127:52] episode.
[127:53] >> Yeah, and and like cinematic analysis
[127:55] will be coming out soon as well and I
[127:57] won't put any spoilers in the um
[128:00] thumbnail for that because you know, you
[128:02] don't want it, do you? Let's not. Yeah,
[128:04] not before story mode. And then the
[128:05] second story mode hits, that thumbnail
[128:06] is going to be spoiler
[128:08] just so you know.
[128:09] >> [laughter]
[128:10] >> Um so yeah, I like but I'm all in all
[128:13] and I know there's one more kind of
[128:15] campaign chapter to go
[128:17] where presumably we're sorting out the
[128:19] dark well, right?
[128:20] But
[128:21] yeah, I I think I think Midnight has
[128:24] been
[128:25] an absolute top shelf expansion so far.
[128:27] I have to say. I feel like what a great
[128:30] opening. Like this the stakes were high.
[128:34] All the story felt very immediate. You
[128:36] know, I always knew where I was with the
[128:38] story and what was going on and what the
[128:39] stakes were. And yeah, it felt like a
[128:42] big invasion by the end and that we were
[128:44] fighting for our lives. I just There was
[128:46] a lot that I really have loved about
[128:49] Midnight.
[128:50] >> so far. Same. I've I've had such a good
[128:52] time in Midnight like both in terms of
[128:54] mechanically like systems wise.
[128:56] >> Yeah. It's felt like, you know, pretty
[128:58] good.
[128:59] Um, and the story and the story rollout
[129:03] has been really neat. I've been having a
[129:04] good time.
[129:04] >> Yeah. Um,
[129:06] jury is still open on the whole like
[129:08] difficulty thing. We'll have to come
[129:10] back on that one. But yeah, uh, so thank
[129:12] you for joining us um, for this
[129:13] discussion. We'll be back next week with
[129:16] another podcast. That'll be on Thursday.
[129:17] So, we'll see you in eight days.
[129:20] >> Um, uh, oh, that reminds me of the Mario
[129:22] movie that I'm going to see tomorrow.
[129:24] >> [laughter]
[129:25] >> Thank you everyone who watched this
[129:26] recording live on Twitch and YouTube.
[129:28] Thank you to everyone watching the VOD
[129:29] on YouTube later. Thank you to everyone
[129:30] listening on your preferred podcast
[129:32] listening platforms. From me, Tali Esen.
[129:34] >> And me, Evitel.
[129:35] >> Until next time. Cheerio.
[129:37] >> Bye.