[0:05] Hello and welcome to this car pod.
[0:09] >> Filippo.
[0:10] >> We This is a big one, folks. We're we're
[0:12] at No one is local. Kennan, I guess is,
[0:14] I don't know. But Filippo appears to be
[0:16] in some sort of Porsche enthusiast
[0:18] studio.
[0:19] >> it. It's It's who we are now.
[0:21] >> Between the
[0:22] You got like an Eames chair, a 964 and
[0:25] one of those speaker things. This person
[0:27] has a watch collection that would that
[0:29] would You know what? Am I right, Kennan?
[0:31] >> This person is wearing a Marantz t-shirt
[0:33] like they just love like
[0:34] >> [laughter]
[0:35] >> I love coffee.
[0:36] >> The studio you're sitting in is
[0:37] currently
[0:39] uh is currently
[0:41] uh touching his man bun while discussing
[0:44] deviated stitching options with his
[0:46] Porsche enthusiast friends.
[0:48] >> There are a couple Porsches in this
[0:51] garage.
[0:51] >> Tasteful.
[0:53] That's unfortunate. All right. Uh we got
[0:55] a lot to cover today. Let's start with
[0:57] uh our news stories. Uh go ahead,
[0:59] Kennan.
[1:00] >> What you got?
[1:00] >> Oh, it's the first new story. It's
[1:02] notable because pricing has been
[1:03] revealed for the Slate vehicles.
[1:06] Do you want to guess what the starting
[1:08] price is?
[1:08] >> It's like 25, right?
[1:10] >> Yeah, 25 grand without destination. We
[1:12] don't know the destination pricing yet.
[1:14] Is what the pickup truck is Just as a
[1:16] quick reminder of of specs. Uh these
[1:18] have like 200-ish
[1:21] uh mile range. They start out as a
[1:23] pickup truck. It's about It's like a
[1:24] It's somewhere
[1:26] uh It's like a little bit longer than a
[1:28] GTI or a Volkswagen Golf in length. It's
[1:31] a pretty small truck. And as a base
[1:33] price,
[1:34] uh rear-wheel drive, 200-ish miles of
[1:36] electric range, uh EV only,
[1:39] crank windows, no stereo, etc.
[1:41] >> I'm just going to tell you right now
[1:42] this isn't going to sell.
[1:44] >> So, that's the issue, right? So, they
[1:46] also have other body styles. And the way
[1:48] their entire thing is that it's very
[1:49] customizable. So, if you want a color,
[1:51] if you don't want it to be raw metal, uh
[1:53] you need to you need to get a wrap. The
[1:55] wrap starts at $500 plus install. Uh you
[1:58] can also add in like speaker grills and
[2:00] different
[2:01] >> Can I just Can I just stereo after this?
[2:03] >> The Maverick starts at 27.
[2:06] >> It It's gone up a little bit. It's like
[2:07] 29 something.
[2:09] >> I'm looking a 26 Maverick starts at
[2:11] 27,145 without destination. And that's
[2:14] apples to apples cuz we don't know
[2:15] destination on this slate thing.
[2:17] Maverick's 27. Maverick has four doors.
[2:20] Uh it paint It has paint.
[2:22] >> Yep. They paint the Maverick right there
[2:24] for you.
[2:25] >> Yeah. Has a stereo.
[2:26] >> They do the They do the painting right
[2:29] there for you.
[2:30] >> Yeah.
[2:30] >> Um and the nation is kind of turned on
[2:32] EVs in general. And obviously now people
[2:35] are going to watch this, the internet
[2:37] people.
[2:38] NO WAY, THIS IS SO CHEAP truck little
[2:40] truck. This is what everybody wants.
[2:42] Nah.
[2:43] >> Also you can you can add a squareback
[2:46] SUV and a fastback SUV.
[2:49] Those are the squareback coupe.
[2:51] >> Yeah, the squareback is 5,000 additional
[2:54] dollars. So
[2:54] >> You're at 30 pre-destination.
[2:56] >> The fastback is 32 pre-destination.
[3:00] >> Ooh.
[3:00] >> I
[3:01] >> [laughter]
[3:01] >> It is not competitive. Now I think
[3:03] they're hoping
[3:04] >> Does that come with a
[3:05] >> Yes, it does. It comes with a three-seat
[3:07] bench. It also
[3:07] >> is a base What is What other stuff does
[3:09] a base slate not have? It only has two
[3:11] airbags?
[3:12] >> No, no, no. Adding the SUV adds two
[3:14] airbags.
[3:15] >> What other stuff does a base slate not
[3:16] have?
[3:17] >> It doesn't have a stereo. It doesn't
[3:18] have a key fob as far as I can tell. Uh
[3:21] it doesn't have like a center armrest.
[3:22] It doesn't have a door like a padded
[3:23] armrest. There's a lot of things that
[3:25] you can add and you can customize.
[3:27] Uh there
[3:28] doesn't have like an infotainment
[3:29] screen. There's a spot for your phone.
[3:30] It's very, very, very bare-bones. And
[3:33] they uh if you read like their like
[3:34] engineering interviews and the the few
[3:36] folks have driven it and talked to to
[3:38] the the their teams so that Topia
[3:39] included. And if you read their reviews
[3:41] their engineers are very proud of the
[3:43] fact that this is a very simple truck.
[3:44] Like the frame is not uh like a
[3:48] single cast. It's a bunch of welds
[3:50] together. Every kind of component is
[3:52] really really simple.
[3:53] >> remember Do you remember how the Tata
[3:55] Nano was going to change India?
[3:58] >> For $7,000, yeah.
[3:59] >> This is 20 years ago. Tata came out with
[4:01] this little car called the Nano that it
[4:03] was it was like seven grand new and it
[4:05] was going to change India.
[4:07] And
[4:09] and what happened was no one bought it.
[4:11] >> [laughter]
[4:12] >> Now, I've also I also remember some
[4:14] modular cars where you can where you can
[4:15] customize them. Kenan, remember the Z1?
[4:18] >> Oh, of course. Yeah, the idea was that
[4:19] if you could do it and you change every
[4:21] panel on the car yourself in essence and
[4:23] totally change the color of the car. And
[4:24] guess what?
[4:25] No one did that. I think that it was No
[4:27] one ever did it. I think the only people
[4:29] I know that actually documented it like
[4:31] wheeler dealers did it. And it they it
[4:33] was supposed to be fast. Took them like
[4:35] a week.
[4:36] >> Took them like multiple days with like
[4:38] trained mechanics in a shop.
[4:41] Um the Smart car was the same way
[4:43] initially, believe it or not. And Oh,
[4:45] Flippo's gone. You know, it's fine. Uh
[4:47] the SMART CAR
[4:49] >> [laughter]
[4:50] [gasps]
[4:51] >> AND UH AND THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER. NO
[4:53] ONE really ever bothered to change the
[4:54] color and for the second generation, the
[4:56] color changing situation was gone.
[4:58] Kenan,
[4:59] well, given that you're not the Slate
[5:01] Truck consumer, tell us what your
[5:03] thoughts are on um
[5:05] simple vehicles.
[5:07] >> Well, I do like a simple vehicle despite
[5:09] being someone who owns only complex
[5:10] vehicles. Um but I do think that like
[5:13] I liked the idea of it when it came out
[5:15] and it made sense in that context, but
[5:17] we all knew they just weren't going to
[5:18] hit their target. So, what I think they
[5:19] need to
[5:20] >> do is release another Wes Anderson style
[5:21] Q&A session with the CEO cuz that really
[5:25] really got us where we needed [laughter]
[5:26] to go with it last time.
[5:27] >> She's out. She's out.
[5:30] >> That's tough. Um but I don't I don't
[5:32] know. I mean like I I just Why would you
[5:35] get this? Like it just doesn't it
[5:37] doesn't make sense economically. I don't
[5:38] think there's a lot of demand for it in
[5:40] the US. I mean, I guess we order on
[5:42] Amazon Prime and it shows up the next
[5:43] day. That's nice, but I don't know.
[5:45] >> Right. You know what problem I have also
[5:46] is
[5:47] ultimately EVs are for rich people. Like
[5:50] the infrastructure required and the
[5:52] lifestyle situation required to have an
[5:54] EV right now
[5:56] makes them kind of a rich person car.
[5:59] It's just sort of the reality. You got
[6:00] to have a house, you got to have a
[6:02] charger. Like yes, you can charge in
[6:03] public. There are a lot of people who do
[6:05] it with Model 3s, but in general it's
[6:08] easier if you have more money to have an
[6:10] EV, which is why most EVs have been
[6:12] shooting for high-end segments. And this
[6:15] truck is a
[6:16] tended to appeal to people who are like
[6:17] at the at the kind of lower end
[6:19] entry-level of pickup segment, but it's
[6:21] like 25 grand for the truck, but then
[6:22] you also have to figure out your charge
[6:24] situation and you can't be driving more
[6:26] than 200 miles, you know, between
[6:28] charges, which is not a significant
[6:29] distance
[6:31] or 100 when it gets cold. It's just uh
[6:34] it'll be interesting and I know there's
[6:35] going to be a thousand people replying
[6:37] to this and being like
[6:38] >> THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. We'll see.
[6:41] I have a suspicion we'll we'll we'll
[6:43] see.
[6:44] >> Yeah, I I I sort of feel the same way
[6:45] about it. I'm excited to see it. I'm
[6:47] very excited for you to review it, um
[6:48] but nonetheless it's just
[6:50] just seems like a tough sell in a lot of
[6:52] regards.
[6:53] >> Filippo, we kept going.
[6:55] Um
[6:55] >> I'm glad you did.
[6:56] >> Well, Filippo [laughter] was there. He's
[6:57] seen it. He was at the launch event. He
[6:58] got a tattoo.
[7:00] >> Filippo, I I know that I know that
[7:01] you're hanging out uh with your Porsche
[7:03] enthusiasts right now discussing 997.2
[7:06] wheel options. Oh, the Carrera Classics.
[7:10] But can you tell us you agree this
[7:12] little thing's going to fail, yeah?
[7:13] >> I
[7:14] I think their hope is that there's like
[7:15] a cuteness, novelty, personalization.
[7:18] That doesn't last. I agree. So, like
[7:20] they maybe get a few reservations, a few
[7:23] sales but
[7:24] it's not competitive.
[7:26] >> I think they're going to have a great
[7:27] first model year when you have a lot of
[7:29] pent-up demand interested in this little
[7:31] cool interesting new exciting truck. I
[7:33] think they're going to have one great
[7:35] first model year, like a lot of cars
[7:36] that that primarily sell based on their
[7:39] sort of wow interesting factor. And then
[7:42] like like the Santa Cruz, honestly. And
[7:44] then after that, you're going to be
[7:46] stuck trying to find people who are
[7:47] going to be hard to find.
[7:48] >> I'm not even sure it'll be that
[7:50] successful the first year. Like the Fiat
[7:51] 500e that you reviewed, it's a new
[7:53] generation, it's a low-range electric,
[7:56] it's cute, it has like the like it makes
[7:59] weird noises, it plays like Ode to Joy
[8:01] or something.
[8:01] >> Yeah, yeah.
[8:02] >> Something like that. That's cute, that's
[8:04] funky. It's not a practical fit in the
[8:07] market, it's not competitive, and that's
[8:08] going to be true for this light, too.
[8:10] >> No.
[8:10] >> Right. You would rather have a Maverick,
[8:12] Filippo?
[8:13] >> Yeah, 100%.
[8:14] >> Would you rather have
[8:15] >> asked me, and I've heavily recommended a
[8:17] Maverick.
[8:17] >> Would you rather have a
[8:19] a used Duramax heavy-duty?
[8:22] >> I think that that's a different
[8:23] clientele.
[8:24] >> [laughter]
[8:24] >> You know, I actually It's interesting
[8:25] that you say that because I actually
[8:26] think a big a big competitor to this
[8:29] truck will actually be used pickup
[8:31] trucks.
[8:31] >> Yeah, but not a huge a used Duramax.
[8:33] >> No, not a Duramax.
[8:34] But I do think that there there going to
[8:36] be a lot of people who are comparing
[8:38] this because ultimately it's a it's a
[8:39] price-conscious clientele. There're
[8:41] going to be a lot of people who And now
[8:42] there are a lot more mid-size and small
[8:44] trucks in the US market between Ranger
[8:46] and Colorado and Canyon and Maverick and
[8:48] Santa Cruz. And there're going to be a
[8:49] lot of people who are comparing it to
[8:50] all of those trucks as a used product.
[8:53] And you tell me how it this is better
[8:55] than a 3-year-old Frontier.
[8:57] >> It's not.
[8:58] >> The only way that that I think it could
[9:00] have some success is if they lean really
[9:02] heavily into the commercial market. If
[9:03] you're a florist and you can make this
[9:05] really tailored to your brand and it's
[9:08] cheap enough, maybe.
[9:09] >> Right, but like that's such a niche.
[9:12] >> Every florist I know has a Maverick.
[9:15] >> Or a Transit They all have Ford Transit
[9:16] Connects.
[9:17] >> Transit Connect, yeah.
[9:18] >> [laughter]
[9:18] >> Yeah.
[9:18] >> All right, move on to our next news
[9:19] story. We got our first news story, car
[9:21] vehicle fails, startup vehicle fails.
[9:23] Oh, speaking of startup vehicles that
[9:24] failed, did you see this, Filippo?
[9:26] >> Of course. The Honda Element is coming
[9:28] back in 2029.
[9:30] >> Make it a convertible. Make it a
[9:32] convertible.
[9:33] >> a convertible originally. know,
[9:35] >> everybody wants convertibles now. The
[9:36] Bronco wasn't a convertible originally
[9:38] and look at us now.
[9:40] >> Had a top that came off.
[9:42] >> Yeah, but now it just you
[9:44] And in the past you had to like you and
[9:46] four of your closest friends like over a
[9:49] [laughter] couple of cold ones had to
[9:51] pull the thing off. And now look at us.
[9:54] The Element will be so much better if
[9:55] it's a convertible. Please, please there
[9:57] is a there is a lack of convertible SUVs
[10:00] on the market today.
[10:01] >> know why, Doug? Cuz the market has
[10:03] spoken and then it spoken again and then
[10:05] it has spoken again and then it has
[10:06] spoken again and then it has spoken
[10:07] again and then it has spoken again.
[10:08] >> Excuse me, do you know how many sales
[10:10] Wranglers they sold last year?
[10:11] [laughter] Are you crazy?
[10:13] 167,000
[10:14] I don't think the Element is going to be
[10:15] priced like that. They sold 167,000
[10:18] Jeep Wranglers last year. 167.
[10:22] Ford sold 146,000
[10:25] full-size Broncos last year. That's
[10:27] 320,000
[10:30] sales of convertible SUVs last year. And
[10:32] Toyota sits here and they're like, "Oh,
[10:34] THE FOUR THE BACK WINDOW goes down."
[10:37] >> That's cool, which we all love.
[10:40] Regardless, the the Honda Element is
[10:42] going to come back.
[10:43] Our My understanding is that it's going
[10:45] to be a relatively boxy vehicle and it's
[10:46] going to be Bronco Sport size and a
[10:49] Bronco Sport competitor. So like a more
[10:51] utilitarian cutie square HR-V CR-V and
[10:56] that.
[10:56] >> It is interesting that you have an
[10:58] understanding. Do you have an
[10:59] understanding about the roof situation?
[11:01] >> Yeah,
[11:02] no.
[11:04] And by the way, we're not going to talk
[11:05] about the ability to hose it down
[11:07] because every Honda Element fan knows
[11:09] that that is a recipe for disaster.
[11:11] >> No, no, you just hose it down.
[11:13] If so some mold ends up in the car, who
[11:15] cares?
[11:17] >> [clears throat]
[11:17] >> We're going to have this debate in the
[11:19] Element forums today.
[11:20] >> If mold ends up in the car, Kennan, you
[11:22] know what you do? You hose down the
[11:24] mold.
[11:25] Just keep hosing.
[11:27] >> [laughter]
[11:28] >> It's no problem.
[11:30] >> More more more water pressure. I'm
[11:32] actually very excited about this. I love
[11:34] the original Honda Element. I thought
[11:35] they were really cool cars back then. So
[11:37] I I makes sense to bring it back now.
[11:38] Like I think it fits like it fits a lot
[11:40] of needs and maybe this one you can
[11:42] actually hose it down. Maybe they'll
[11:43] actually go the distance.
[11:45] >> I think the Element never should have
[11:46] gone out of production. And I understand
[11:49] sort of why it did, but I think that if
[11:51] they had committed to it a little bit
[11:52] more, it actually probably could have
[11:54] been the boxy thing had kind of died.
[11:56] There was that Scion and all that, but I
[11:58] think that like a little bit of an
[11:59] alteration and it could have been like
[12:01] an Outback Sport Impreza Outback Sport.
[12:03] What is that called? The Crosstrek
[12:04] competitor. Like I really I think it
[12:06] could have like lived in that space.
[12:08] Yeah, it could have been something like
[12:09] that.
[12:10] >> I do have an important question, which
[12:11] is with all respect to our friends at
[12:14] Honda, are you ready to be disappointed?
[12:18] >> Oh, wow. You think it's going to be bad?
[12:20] >> No, the Passport's not a bad vehicle,
[12:23] but you're you're going to have these
[12:25] ambitions to what it is.
[12:26] >> Yeah, that's you're so right. They won't
[12:28] commit to like make they like they like
[12:30] take an idea and then water down the
[12:32] idea to the point where it's really a
[12:35] disappointment. It's going to be a like
[12:37] a squared-off HRV is my guess.
[12:40] With some cladding.
[12:42] >> You're probably right.
[12:43] >> Yeah, you're right.
[12:45] >> But I I'm pretty [laughter] sure the
[12:46] previous one was competitive.
[12:47] >> The previous one had dual sunroofs. If
[12:49] they do a convertible, Filippo will buy
[12:51] it.
[12:52] >> Absolutely not.
[12:54] If they do a convertible, I will have a
[12:55] conversation about buying it. I'll tell
[12:57] you what, Honda, I'll make you this
[12:59] promise. If you do a convertible
[13:01] Element, it will be our lead news story
[13:04] on the pod the week you announce it.
[13:06] You'll get you'll reach a massive
[13:08] audience.
[13:10] >> [laughter]
[13:13] >> Yep. This is my promise to you.
[13:16] >> It is a massive audience though, to be
[13:18] fair. Was this Was this car Was this car
[13:19] built in Ohio?
[13:21] >> The Element? I don't know the answer
[13:23] that.
[13:23] >> I don't know the answer to that. I feel
[13:25] like it was, but I might very well I'm
[13:27] likely wrong with it.
[13:27] >> Was it? Okay.
[13:28] >> East Liberty.
[13:29] >> Yeah.
[13:30] >> Shut up.
[13:30] >> Um all right, there needs to be a
[13:32] convertible 4Runner. Next news story.
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[15:55] Uh
[15:56] saving about 160 158 million dollars
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[16:01] their chief operating officer, Mark
[16:02] Winterhoff, uh effective immediately.
[16:04] They're not replacing him.
[16:06] Um
[16:07] >> Yeah, how much is that saving?
[16:08] >> How much of the 158 mil is is saved by
[16:11] not replacing Winterhoff?
[16:12] >> It's not zero.
[16:13] >> [laughter]
[16:15] >> They had about 9,000 employees as of
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[16:29] due to a to a supplier issue. They
[16:30] weren't able to build very many. They
[16:32] now will have a
[16:33] >> Yeah, that's why they couldn't sell
[16:34] them.
[16:34] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it didn't help.
[16:36] >> Layoffs are sad, and I always feel sad
[16:39] when there are layoffs cuz I know how
[16:40] that affects people, and it's real.
[16:43] Lucid's product strategy has been
[16:44] interesting,
[16:46] to put it mildly. And I think that um we
[16:49] were just talking in our group text the
[16:50] other day about how insane it is in the
[16:52] day of SUVs that all these automakers
[16:54] decided that they would launch
[16:56] sedans as their first EV. Porsche made
[16:58] the mistake, Lucid made the mistake.
[17:00] Various others did, too. But then to
[17:02] follow up the sedan with a minivan.
[17:05] >> I I'm into it. I love the Gravity.
[17:07] >> The problem is
[17:08] >> I've heard some issues.
[17:09] >> The problem is you're a contrarian, and
[17:11] most people when faced with a $125,000
[17:14] minivan or a Rivian, they're not
[17:16] choosing the the minivan.
[17:18] >> is that it's not $125,000.
[17:21] >> Yeah, yeah, that's right. The
[17:23] transaction price is 41 7.
[17:25] >> by the way, that's why all the layoffs
[17:27] are happening.
[17:28] >> [laughter]
[17:28] >> Yep.
[17:29] A couple of other pieces of news from
[17:30] Lucid, they are still working on their
[17:31] mid-size crossover that should be
[17:34] revealed soon. I think that one's for
[17:36] the urban moms or whatever they call it.
[17:38] >> not look like [clears throat] the
[17:40] Gravity. It won't. Lucid Lucid
[17:44] make it boxy.
[17:45] >> They will they will absolutely not make
[17:47] it boxy.
[17:47] >> The Kia Telluride should tell you
[17:49] everything you need to know. The funny
[17:50] thing is, I've been doing this make it
[17:52] boxy tangent for years, and some
[17:53] automakers have sort of come up with a
[17:55] high and mighty attitude about it. Like,
[17:57] we're not going to go down the G Wagon
[17:58] road, we're going to make the XM. We're
[18:00] going to make the Gravity. Well, when
[18:01] you don't make it boxy, you are rewarded
[18:03] with bad sales. So, that's your choice,
[18:05] I guess. If you want to do minivans and
[18:07] and and jelly bean sedans, it's it's
[18:09] what you're doing.
[18:10] >> Yep. Also, by the way, very sad news for
[18:13] anybody expecting their Gravity, they
[18:14] eliminated their second shift of
[18:16] production at their Arizona facility.
[18:18] >> No one is expecting a Gravity. You can
[18:20] go to any Lucid retailer at the at your
[18:23] local shopping mall and order one, and
[18:26] it'll be there tomorrow. It's currently
[18:28] sitting in a field in a in a in a bad
[18:30] neighborhood in your town.
[18:32] >> Yeah. About [laughter] a month ago they
[18:34] About a month ago they they suspended
[18:36] all guidance for the year cuz they they
[18:37] weren't sure how many cars they'll sell
[18:39] because they have elevated inventory.
[18:42] >> [laughter]
[18:44] >> So, I asked for some guidance.
[18:47] Make it boxy.
[18:47] >> to be pretty. You know, the moment I
[18:49] >> saw that picture of that Gravity, I was
[18:50] like, "Oh my god, they're going to lay
[18:52] off 30% of their workforce, including
[18:53] Winterhoff." So, I'm gone.
[18:57] >> Yeah, it's tough. They did have a new
[18:58] CEO earlier this year,
[19:00] so we know poly, and now they may make
[19:03] some turnaround changes, or they may
[19:05] fail to.
[19:06] >> Can I make a suggestion?
[19:08] Gas engined
[19:10] >> [laughter]
[19:11] >> boxy SUV.
[19:13] >> I'm a little frustrated
[19:14] >> by Lucid's failures here because
[19:18] by all accounts, they have the most
[19:20] advanced, impressive motor technology.
[19:22] Their motors are notably lighter than
[19:24] every other
[19:25] EV manufacturer. I think they have great
[19:28] packaging. I think they have great
[19:30] interior design and some other component
[19:32] that like I they truly have done a
[19:33] beautiful job building
[19:35] building cars.
[19:36] >> inside.
[19:36] >> Yeah.
[19:36] >> Uh
[19:37] >> Unfortunately, they've made poor product
[19:38] line decisions and have had a lot of
[19:39] reliability issues that make it tough to
[19:41] recommend.
[19:42] >> Here's a here's a theory I'm going to
[19:43] posit for you, Filippo. The Lucid
[19:45] Gravity is the Lincoln Town Car of our
[19:48] generation.
[19:49] >> Isn't the Lucid Air the Lincoln Town Car
[19:51] of our generation?
[19:52] >> No, the Lucid Air would be the MK
[19:53] >> Yes, I'm sorry, the Air. The Air is the
[19:56] Town Car. The Gravity is the MKT. You're
[19:58] right.
[19:58] >> I've never seen a young Air driver.
[20:01] >> Yeah, and also it just looks like that.
[20:03] It's American-built. It's like a big
[20:05] boat.
[20:05] >> way.
[20:06] I kind of want one. And it has 500 miles
[20:08] of range, which no other EV has still.
[20:10] >> The other day, someone asked me if they
[20:11] should get a Lucid Air. And I said,
[20:13] "Look, they're amazing. And the used
[20:15] ones are cheap. And they're incredible.
[20:17] But they're going to be it's going to
[20:19] probably cause some problems. You're
[20:20] going to have some issues."
[20:21] >> Yeah.
[20:22] >> Um okay, Toyota should make a
[20:24] convertible 4Runner. Next news story,
[20:26] please.
[20:28] All right. This is
[20:29] >> I keep adding to the stories, I
[20:30] apologize, but this is my very favorite
[20:33] story of the week.
[20:34] >> Oh boy, okay.
[20:35] >> Truly.
[20:36] All right.
[20:36] >> Jon wasn't here to cull his dumb stories
[20:38] this week.
[20:39] >> I know. It's the best. I have so much
[20:40] freedom.
[20:41] >> even know I can't even see the picture,
[20:42] but it looks like a manufacturing
[20:44] situation, which makes me nervous.
[20:46] >> You will love this story, too. All
[20:48] right, so we've talked in the past about
[20:49] how both Toyota and Nissan are shipping
[20:51] cars that are made in America to be sold
[20:54] now in Japan. This is
[20:55] the Tundra, the Highlander, the Murano,
[20:58] among others. Part of this is driven by
[21:00] the agreement that that the Japanese and
[21:02] the US government came to related to
[21:03] tariffs, opened the door for more
[21:05] imports from the more exports from the
[21:07] US to Japan.
[21:09] But,
[21:11] automakers that are doing this are
[21:12] running into an issue, which is that the
[21:14] quality standards that they build
[21:16] vehicles to for the US market are a
[21:18] little below the quality standards that
[21:20] the Japanese market is used to.
[21:22] >> It This this has a little more nuance to
[21:23] it though. It's like paint finishes have
[21:25] less are a little bit different. Like
[21:27] not because the quality is different
[21:29] because the workers are bad, it's
[21:30] because like the actual design and
[21:33] creation of the car has a different
[21:35] focus.
[21:36] >> programmed.
[21:37] >> The the notice on Muranos when they're
[21:39] sold in Japan say this vehicle is
[21:41] manufactured specifications intended for
[21:43] overseas markets and vehicle the SUV the
[21:46] Murano may have dust particles in the
[21:47] paint, traces of sealant residue, or
[21:50] misaligned or uneven panel and gaps.
[21:52] But, they don't affect the vehicle's
[21:53] functionality, which may be true.
[21:55] >> Well, we all accept that we've all come
[21:57] to expect that from Nissan. It's just
[21:59] that the Japanese haven't yet. But, they
[22:00] will.
[22:01] >> [laughter]
[22:02] >> Tundra or to to Toyota on the Tundra
[22:04] Highlander also say that they may notice
[22:06] thin paint, color variations, polishing
[22:07] marks, and dents.
[22:09] >> Have they Have they told the Japanese
[22:11] that their Tundra engines could explode?
[22:13] >> I think they've kept that one a secret.
[22:15] >> I'm going to tell you a story Filippo
[22:16] that's going to rock your world and I
[22:18] want to cover this in greater detail
[22:19] when we get on to uh when I get back.
[22:22] But, this is a real story. The Tundra
[22:24] the engines are exploding left and
[22:26] right. It's a real problem with the
[22:27] turbo V6, okay?
[22:28] >> Yeah.
[22:28] >> Exploding engines exploding engines, but
[22:30] they're recalling them.
[22:31] >> Yeah.
[22:32] >> And they're they're putting in new
[22:33] motors on some of but
[22:34] >> My understanding is those new motors
[22:36] also explode.
[22:38] >> Everything's exploding, but the hybrids
[22:40] aren't affected and I I finally
[22:41] discovered why the hybrids aren't
[22:42] affected. Are you aware of why?
[22:44] >> Um I'm going to you know, I can't
[22:47] explain.
[22:48] >> Same powertrain, so how could it not be
[22:49] affected?
[22:50] >> Atkinson cycle.
[22:51] >> The answer is hybrids aren't affected by
[22:53] the recall because the recall is
[22:54] government mandated and the when the gas
[22:58] motor blows, the cars can stop driving
[23:01] and become dangerous and a hazard.
[23:03] However, when the gas motor blows in the
[23:05] hybrid, and it does, with the same
[23:08] frequency as the gas-powered cars, the
[23:10] hybrid powertrain can is is sufficient
[23:13] to drive you to a safe place. This is
[23:15] what Toyota has convinced their
[23:16] regulator, it's the the National Highway
[23:18] Traffic Safety Administration.
[23:20] Uh it's it's enough to drive you to your
[23:22] to a safe place, and so the hybrid
[23:24] doesn't need a safety recall because
[23:25] technically it isn't a safety issue.
[23:28] Yeah.
[23:28] >> You're joking.
[23:29] >> I own one of these cars, and I'm going
[23:31] to tell you something. If my gas engine
[23:33] blows, the safety issue will be to
[23:36] Toyota and their employees.
[23:38] >> [laughter]
[23:38] >> From me. Doug is not threatening
[23:41] violence. I want to be very clear, HE IS
[23:42] NOT
[23:43] >> I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO PLANO. I'm not
[23:45] going to do anything like that.
[23:47] >> Uh but I will tell caution people not to
[23:49] buy one of these vehicles, which I am
[23:51] now.
[23:51] >> I I I thought that they had a lower
[23:53] incidence rate. Is that not true?
[23:55] >> Oh, yeah, yeah, very lower incidence.
[23:58] >> That's unfortunate.
[24:00] >> Yeah.
[24:01] >> Suburban hell.
[24:01] >> What I find unfortunate is a
[24:03] manufacturer not standing behind his
[24:04] product. My car is $85,000. The hybrid
[24:06] twin turbo V6s are the most expensive
[24:08] ones in their lineup. And these are
[24:10] customers that will never buy a Toyota
[24:12] again.
[24:12] >> [laughter]
[24:13] >> I get so much crap for not buying a
[24:15] Tahoe already. I don't have a V8, I'm
[24:16] driving around in a six-cylinder, and I
[24:18] sit here and I say, "The six-cylinder is
[24:20] so great." And it is, it's an amazing
[24:22] powertrain, right up until it blows and
[24:24] I have to use the hybrid engine to
[24:25] safely get my Get off the road.
[24:27] [laughter]
[24:29] >> Oh, what a discovery.
[24:31] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's bad.
[24:34] >> That's rough.
[24:34] >> It looks that way, and the engine could
[24:36] blow up. That's a tough existence for
[24:38] you.
[24:39] >> I waved to another TRD Pro Sequoia owner
[24:41] yesterday.
[24:42] >> Oh, what was it a salute, or was it an
[24:44] actual just What did you pull the gun
[24:45] out of the gun safe in the middle of the
[24:46] day?
[24:46] >> Kenny. I waved, but unfortunately he was
[24:49] he
[24:52] He was busy doing Trump pro-Trump chance
[24:54] while he was driving and see me.
[24:56] >> [laughter]
[24:57] >> Let's make
[24:58] >> Make America great again.
[25:00] >> RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD.
[25:02] ANYWAY, he was doing that then his
[25:04] engine blew. But fortunately, he had the
[25:06] ability with his hyper powertrain
[25:07] [laughter]
[25:08] to safely steer off the road.
[25:11] >> My goodness.
[25:12] >> Yeah, anyway, we're going to talk about
[25:14] this a lot more on many more podcasts.
[25:15] And and my greatest hope is that it
[25:17] happens to me in when I'm in San Diego.
[25:20] Uh in which case I will be relentless in
[25:22] my fury toward Toyota. Do you agree,
[25:24] Filippo?
[25:25] >> Imagine if it happens to you not in San
[25:27] Diego.
[25:28] >> I think it's more likely considering
[25:29] when the car is in San Diego, it doesn't
[25:31] move until it goes back to the East
[25:32] Coast.
[25:33] >> If that if that happens to me when I'm
[25:35] on the in the middle of the country, I
[25:37] the wrath that I will create for Toyota
[25:40] cannot even be explained
[25:42] with rational work.
[25:43] >> I'm excited for for Friday at 7:30 a.m.
[25:47] Pacific time, 30 minutes after this
[25:49] podcast goes live, for you to get the
[25:51] email from Toyota corporate saying
[25:52] >> I think that Toyota is probably
[25:54] embarrassed. Like I'm I'm going to reach
[25:55] out to their PR people for comment on
[25:57] this. Once Again, I want to cover this
[25:58] in greater detail than the 8 minutes
[26:00] devoted [laughter] to your warranty. I
[26:01] want to devote 30 minutes to it. But
[26:04] like the PR people know that this is
[26:06] indefensible. So I am curious what they
[26:07] would say.
[26:08] >> [laughter]
[26:09] >> Yeah.
[26:11] You're getting a recall notice tomorrow.
[26:15] >> Silly.
[26:15] >> Doug is getting a one-off recall.
[26:16] >> It'll be a handwritten one just for him.
[26:18] But yes.
[26:19] >> Well, fine, do that. But let's the the
[26:22] recalled powertrains, are they working
[26:23] any better?
[26:24] >> I'm not convinced.
[26:25] >> You know what I want? I want them to
[26:27] recall my my Sequoia hybrid and put in
[26:29] the 2UZ 4.7 L V8
[26:33] uh from the Tundra and GX470.
[26:35] >> God, that'd be such a slow vehicle.
[26:37] >> Fine.
[26:38] Slow. We're not trying to go fast here,
[26:41] Filippo. We're trying to be reliable.
[26:43] >> Good point. Um all right, let's move on
[26:45] to the pinnacle reliability, the
[26:46] Maserati
[26:47] >> Wait, wait, before we move on, Toyota
[26:48] should make a convertible 4Runner. All
[26:50] right next.
[26:51] >> Sorry, I
[26:51] >> [laughter]
[26:52] >> I jumped the gun there. Sorry.
[26:53] >> Two pieces of news on the Maserati
[26:54] front. I'm keeping this to under a
[26:55] minute. All of their lineup has been
[26:58] refreshed with a new corporate face.
[27:01] Uh the Gran Turismo has a little bit
[27:03] more power than it did before, like 40
[27:04] more horsepower than it did before.
[27:06] There's going to be a new Gran Turismo
[27:07] in '27. And and
[27:09] uh the Stellantis CEO said in a meeting
[27:12] with Italian lawmakers this week that
[27:14] they are in active conversation with two
[27:16] partners
[27:17] uh to work with Maserati.
[27:19] Take that where as you will. You could
[27:21] take that to mean even though Maserati's
[27:23] PR team has has denied this, that
[27:25] they're looking at acquisition. They
[27:26] could be looking at a platform sharing,
[27:28] etc. But this is Stellantis, which owns
[27:30] about half the brands in the world. So,
[27:32] I don't know what they'd be doing there.
[27:33] So, Maserati will have some news
[27:36] soon.
[27:37] >> Well,
[27:39] great. Uh
[27:41] Toyota should make a convertible
[27:42] 4Runner. Give us our next uh slide,
[27:44] please. What's this?
[27:45] >> Uh yes, the Koenigsegg Yesko. Now, Doug,
[27:48] you live life a quarter mile at a time,
[27:49] if I recall. You love your quarter mile
[27:51] thing. So, this I wanted to share some
[27:53] stats with you.
[27:53] >> Jesko, baby.
[27:54] >> That's That's right. So, the Yesko
[27:57] recently set a very interesting record.
[27:59] It was the first production car to break
[28:00] 186 mph in the quarter mile. That means
[28:04] And so, that means it did a It does the
[28:07] quarter mile in 8.3 seconds. Now, Doug,
[28:09] you've done a lot of quarter miles. Let
[28:11] that number sink in for a moment about
[28:13] how fast that is.
[28:14] >> No, I mean, I I've never been in a car
[28:15] that does a quarter that fast. I used to
[28:17] do a lot of quarter mile drag racing.
[28:18] It's hard to imagine.
[28:20] >> Right. Yeah.
[28:20] >> I mean, the the Plaid the Plaid Pride
[28:22] does that close to that. And and I've
[28:25] never done a full quarter, and it's it's
[28:26] probably insane.
[28:27] >> Right. So, I So, to be specific, it it
[28:29] surpassed 300 km/h. So, the actual speed
[28:32] it was clocked at was 189.76
[28:34] mph.
[28:34] >> That means 190
[28:37] mph in the quarter. In the quarter.
[28:40] >> Yeah, that's crazy.
[28:42] But my favorite part about this story,
[28:44] like that that's one thing and very
[28:45] admirable. But there's footage of this
[28:47] that they recorded. And, you know, Doug,
[28:49] you you've been there on the line
[28:50] setting the court, you know, you're
[28:51] focused, you're holding the steering
[28:53] wheel nice and tight, you know, pointing
[28:54] it straight.
[28:55] This guy sets the quarter mile the
[28:57] driver he set the quarter mile holding a
[28:59] phone. He did it one-handed recording
[29:02] with a phone. Which is mind-blowing to
[29:05] me. He was doing 190 miles an hour
[29:07] one-handed.
[29:07] >> official Koenigsegg this quarter mile
[29:10] time?
[29:11] >> This is this this is what they have
[29:12] published. Quarter mile 8.54 seconds and
[29:14] it was verified.
[29:16] >> It's also incredibly impressive given
[29:18] that it's rear-wheel drive. It's not
[29:20] electric. It's not hybrid either.
[29:23] That's wild.
[29:24] >> Yeah, it's an insane figure.
[29:26] >> Is that true? I don't know anything
[29:27] about this car.
[29:29] >> Yeah, but it is all everything I said
[29:31] there is accurate as most of the things
[29:33] that I said in this podcast generally
[29:34] tend [laughter] to be.
[29:35] I will say that their 0 to 60 time,
[29:38] which is 2.35 seconds according to this
[29:40] book,
[29:41] is not the fastest 0 to 60, but it must
[29:43] just like the first car 60 miles per
[29:45] hour must be the slowest in that quarter
[29:46] mile.
[29:47] >> There's a launch problem because it's
[29:48] not four-wheel drive and it's not
[29:50] >> Rear-wheel drive and not hybrid.
[29:51] >> Yeah. But then it then it seems to catch
[29:53] up okay. What does a ZR1 X do in the
[29:55] quarter?
[29:56] >> Nine something.
[29:58] >> Nines, that's so slow. No, 8.675 at 160.
[30:02] What does this thing do again, Kenan?
[30:04] >> Uh so, they were claimed that they
[30:06] claimed that it took 8.54 is what they
[30:08] were clocked at for the quarter.
[30:09] >> interesting because the trap speed tells
[30:11] you why the Koenigsegg is so much
[30:12] faster. The ZR1 X hits 160 at 8.675, but
[30:16] the Koenigsegg was going 190, which
[30:19] tells you just how quickly it is
[30:20] accelerating still as it is
[30:22] accelerating. It is getting so so so
[30:24] much faster. So, it's got this
[30:26] incredible high-speed thing that just
[30:28] happens incredibly fast. Uh that's
[30:31] pretty wild.
[30:32] >> Yeah, that was yeah.
[30:33] >> the ZR1 X
[30:34] the most impressive supercar, like it's
[30:37] not that expensive for the performance
[30:39] it puts out. It's faster
[30:41] Jason Cammisa, a friend of a friend of
[30:43] Hagerty,
[30:44] uh did a did a drag race with the new
[30:48] uh Camarillo, cool other cars. The 01 X
[30:50] blows by all of those cars in the
[30:53] quarter mile. And they're 60 and a half
[30:54] a ton power for the same price, less?
[30:57] >> Wouldn't you consider one if there was a
[30:59] Stradale version?
[31:01] >> A 01 X Stradale? That'd be weird.
[31:03] >> You wouldn't consider one, Fork Cannon?
[31:05] >> I'll consider anything, but I'm not
[31:07] going to buy it, so that's how that
[31:09] goes.
[31:09] >> really want an E-Ray {slash} Grand Sport
[31:12] X.
[31:13] >> Would you get an E-Ray Stradale?
[31:15] >> I I does not change my I would actually,
[31:17] yeah. I would get an E-Ray Stradale.
[31:19] >> Yeah. There we go.
[31:20] There we go.
[31:21] >> I think that they would call it E-Ray
[31:26] Oh my goodness. What is the Chevrolet
[31:28] off-road? 480 84.
[31:30] >> That's GM's these. That's GM's Z71
[31:32] Trailboss.
[31:33] >> E-Ray High Country.
[31:34] >> E-Ray Trailboss.
[31:35] >> An E-Ray Trailboss I would 100%
[31:37] consider.
[31:38] >> Okay. Okay. We're having some This is a
[31:41] real laugh.
[31:41] >> if it was also a convertible 4Runner, I
[31:43] would do that, too.
[31:44] >> Yeah, Toyota should make a convertible
[31:45] 4Runner. On to our next news story.
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[32:37] >> More Koenigsegg news.
[32:39] So, So, recently um at Goodwood,
[32:42] Koenigsegg set another record. Not a 0
[32:43] to 60, but they did it with a LEGO car.
[32:46] So, they they had a a version of the
[32:48] Sedoran Spear built completely out of
[32:51] LEGOs, and it set a new record going up
[32:53] Goodwood Hill for a LEGO vehicle, which
[32:55] is 69 mph. Nice.
[32:57] >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[32:59] What? They drove a LEGO car? What is a
[33:01] Sedoran Spear? What the hell is that?
[33:04] >> That's another Koenigsegg creation. But,
[33:07] the the whole point with this is
[33:08] Koenigsegg paired paired up with LEGO
[33:09] because they're releasing another LEGO
[33:11] kit like in their supercar thing. And to
[33:13] promote that, they wanted to do
[33:14] something special. So, they built a
[33:16] life-size model of this thing completely
[33:18] out of LEGO. 327,000
[33:21] pieces, and it weighs 4,000
[33:23] >> out of LEGO? How does it have an engine?
[33:24] The engine's not out of LEGO.
[33:26] >> The engine Okay, not completely out of
[33:27] LEGO, but mostly out of LEGO. But, it
[33:30] nonetheless like it
[33:32] it did it it was obviously a publicity
[33:34] publicity stunt, but
[33:36] I think it's really cool when they do
[33:38] stuff like this. And this kind of gets
[33:39] the kid in me excited.
[33:40] >> LEGO car?
[33:41] >> Yeah. They only need to do is put it in
[33:42] an engine. At Goodwood.
[33:44] >> What do you mean all you need to do?
[33:45] It's made out of little blocks that that
[33:48] stick together really well. They're
[33:50] well-engineered. It's all friction.
[33:52] [laughter]
[33:54] They must be They're I'm looking at the
[33:55] picture of the car.
[33:56] >> What do you think bolting something down
[33:57] is? You're just creating a lot of
[33:58] friction.
[33:59] >> Here's my problem with this.
[34:01] >> In a very different way.
[34:02] >> Yeah, but you're insane.
[34:05] >> I'm not fundamentally wrong.
[34:06] >> No, you are fundamentally wrong. Here's
[34:08] the problem I have. I'm looking at a
[34:09] picture of the car. There's brakes,
[34:10] there's wheels, there's tires. I think
[34:13] they just took a Koenigsegg like base
[34:15] plate, to use LEGO terminology, and just
[34:18] kind of created the body out of LEGOs.
[34:20] Is the interior LEGO? Is the interior
[34:22] LEGO?
[34:23] >> I think it is. My understanding is that
[34:24] it's LEGO. Also, there are a bunch of
[34:26] other electric LEGOs like other
[34:28] mechanical features. Ghost mode works.
[34:30] So, there are other electric modes.
[34:31] >> What?
[34:32] Wait I
[34:33] got to picture the interior. Oh my God,
[34:34] it's mostly Lego.
[34:36] >> [laughter]
[34:36] >> Can I I I would like to say my favorite
[34:39] fact about this, which is it is heavier
[34:42] than the actual car. Yeah, it weighs
[34:44] over
[34:45] 4,000 lbs. It's very heavy.
[34:48] What did it weigh, Kenan? 4,000 lbs.
[34:50] That's what they claimed it weighed,
[34:51] which is a lot. Almost exactly as much
[34:54] as a slate.
[34:56] >> [laughter]
[34:57] >> And and it's built the same way.
[34:59] Um modularly.
[35:01] >> [laughter]
[35:02] >> Yeah. You know, it's interesting though
[35:04] because one other interesting thing that
[35:05] I was thinking of this week is that
[35:06] Toyota should make a convertible uh
[35:08] 4Runner.
[35:09] Yeah. Next Do you have any more news
[35:11] stories?
[35:12] We do one more. Uh yes, we have one
[35:13] more. So this is this is a Morgan. So
[35:16] Pininfarina, a design house that we all
[35:18] love, uh largely has been making
[35:21] industrial products. Like they make, you
[35:23] know, Coke dispensers, like this sort of
[35:24] thing. Well, recently they paired up
[35:26] with Morgan to release this. They're
[35:28] calling it the Midsummer Coupe. Uh it's
[35:30] going to be powered by the B58,
[35:32] uh the great BMW six-cylinder, uh and
[35:34] it's going to use the eight-speed ZF
[35:35] transmission. But I think it looks
[35:37] absolutely spectacular. And of course,
[35:39] Morgan, you know, a brand not known for
[35:43] advancing their design much. They're
[35:45] kind of keeping their 1930s look. I
[35:47] think this actually looks wonderful and
[35:50] I think it's kind of proof that they can
[35:51] do it. It's like a beautiful
[35:51] modernization of a Morgan and it kind of
[35:54] looks like a Bugatti Atlante. There is a
[35:57] little bit of Atlantique, yeah.
[35:59] This is something that I think you
[36:01] should consider, Filippo. Well,
[36:03] unfortunately Filippo won't be able to
[36:04] consider it because they're only
[36:05] building nine of them. So it's
[36:07] it might [laughter] be a bit bit tough.
[36:08] He can conceptualize it. We'll get him a
[36:10] model, maybe. Can I have the Lego
[36:11] version?
[36:12] >> [laughter]
[36:12] >> Well, we'll see. Maybe that'll weigh
[36:14] 4,000 lbs as well. Um but yeah, but not
[36:17] the Lego version.
[36:19] No, I said version. I think he said it
[36:21] with a W cuz he's trying to be like a
[36:22] Porsche guy. He's trying to be like
[36:23] German.
[36:24] >> [laughter]
[36:24] >> He's sitting in that office and it's
[36:25] rubbing off on him.
[36:27] >> But they don't have W's in German, it's
[36:29] all V's.
[36:30] >> No, it's the the V and W are switched.
[36:32] Filippo
[36:33] >> Oh, that's right. That's one of those.
[36:35] >> Filippo, are you becoming a Porsche
[36:37] person by just sitting in the room?
[36:40] >> Well, you know, he didn't he didn't say
[36:41] Vinterhof. That's what I was expecting
[36:43] him to say. He did it. He held back
[36:45] though. I could tell he was thinking it.
[36:47] Uh but nonetheless, I think this is
[36:48] really cool. Of course, we we'll be very
[36:50] unlikely to ever see one, but it is
[36:52] prove I I really would love to see
[36:54] Pininfarina go back and do more cars. I
[36:56] know we had talked about like with the
[36:57] Luce, it's like, oh, Pininfarina been
[36:59] designing it and you specifically Doug
[37:01] said that like they're not who they used
[37:03] to be. I don't know. I think if they
[37:04] still can exercise taste like this, it
[37:06] would be I'd like to see
[37:07] >> Okay, look, I'm going to clarify that
[37:08] comment cuz I I I was being very
[37:10] diplomatic cuz I think it was in a
[37:11] Camissa video and I I we got our pod, we
[37:14] can be a little bit more outgoing.
[37:16] Pininfarina was purchased by the
[37:20] Indians Mahindra.
[37:22] And I think that Ferrari
[37:25] decided that they did not want their
[37:27] vehicles This is my theory
[37:30] slash I've heard other I've heard from
[37:32] people that it's true. Ferrari did not
[37:35] want their vehicles designed by I mean,
[37:38] it Pininfarina is Italian. When it is no
[37:39] longer Italian,
[37:41] Ferrari was thinking let's just bring
[37:43] design in house cuz we are Italian and I
[37:45] think that's what happened. Not that
[37:46] it's lost its luster, not that it's not
[37:48] the same, whatever. I think it was more
[37:50] that there was a new owner and Ferrari
[37:52] didn't see that as a credible situation
[37:54] for them. Now, this is a beautiful car.
[37:56] Do you know there's a convertible,
[37:57] Kanan?
[37:58] >> Yes, yes, I do know there's a
[37:59] convertible and I think they made 50 of
[38:01] those. So, it would be a deal more
[38:02] >> convertibles. Why are they only doing
[38:03] nine coupes?
[38:04] >> I don't I don't know. Maybe that's all
[38:06] the tooling can handle. They couldn't
[38:07] get enough trees to build the rest of
[38:08] the car. I don't know.
[38:09] >> You know what the mistake You know
[38:11] what's the mistake? The convertible is
[38:12] called the Midsummer. The coupe should
[38:13] have been called the Midwinter.
[38:15] >> Ooh, the Midvinter as Filippo would say.
[38:17] >> As Filippo, yeah. Well, Filippo wouldn't
[38:19] even pay pay to it because it's not a
[38:21] Porsche and he's sitting in this room.
[38:22] >> it has that's true. It has German heart
[38:24] but not a Porsche one. That's true.
[38:26] >> Filippo's over here. I met Andreas
[38:27] Preuninger once.
[38:29] That's what he's telling us That's he
[38:30] posts on it.
[38:31] >> AP is what we call him.
[38:32] >> AP, I call him AP.
[38:33] >> Yeah, me and I I know him.
[38:36] >> [laughter]
[38:36] >> All right, we have one last news story
[38:38] as well.
[38:38] >> How do we have one more? My god.
[38:40] >> Shawn added from a literal train. He's
[38:43] on a train.
[38:44] >> What did he say?
[38:44] >> It's very strange.
[38:45] >> There is currently a trend in China. So,
[38:48] there's a bunch of cars that have driver
[38:49] monitoring systems.
[38:51] >> Yeah, that are making sure that there's
[38:52] somebody actually paying attention
[38:53] uh
[38:54] in order to do that.
[38:55] >> They have figured out that if you attach
[38:57] a bobblehead of a face right in front of
[38:59] the camera, this is especially true in
[39:01] Teslas, but not only Teslas.
[39:03] Uh
[39:03] you can trick the camera into thinking
[39:06] that you are paying attention and you
[39:08] are driving and you don't actually need
[39:10] to be driving.
[39:11] Or maybe even in the driver's seat for
[39:13] it to operate.
[39:14] And that's all we're going to say about
[39:15] that.
[39:17] Period.
[39:19] >> I
[39:19] >> Huh.
[39:19] >> But then you also have to drive around
[39:20] with a bobblehead strapped to the roof
[39:22] of your car. I mean, it's a ridiculous
[39:24] looking thing.
[39:24] >> it I think it's it just like stay It
[39:26] looks like the perspective makes it look
[39:28] like you're in the seat even if you're
[39:29] not. It
[39:30] >> For driverless for full self-driving.
[39:32] >> Uh makes you think that you're awake and
[39:34] in the seat.
[39:35] It's questionable. Don't do that,
[39:37] people. Just don't do that.
[39:39] >> Uh okay, that's great, Filippo. I really
[39:41] appreciate that that lovely good
[39:43] reporting information. Time now for the
[39:45] talk cars segment and in this segment,
[39:47] the thing that we do is we talk about
[39:49] cars. I have nothing to say about cars
[39:50] except that Toyota should make a
[39:52] convertible 4Runner. Uh but Filippo has
[39:54] just returned. He was gone for I think a
[39:56] month.
[39:58] >> I was gone for 2 weeks, but
[39:59] >> Yeah, but Filippo, it was a month. If
[40:01] you go back and
[40:03] If you go back and look at the podcast,
[40:04] it's been a month where you haven't been
[40:06] here.
[40:06] >> Been three full podcasts and I have
[40:07] missed you very much.
[40:09] >> Oh, that's cool.
[40:10] >> We really missed you.
[40:11] >> of comments on my my posts that
[40:13] apparently I ignored text messages.
[40:15] Which
[40:17] >> You absolutely do.
[40:17] >> think
[40:18] >> true.
[40:18] >> You did not reply to a number of text
[40:20] messages I sent you while you were on
[40:21] your trip.
[40:21] >> I if if if you if you saw if you text me
[40:23] directly, I'm in with you, Cannon.
[40:25] >> Nick didn't Listen, I I know you don't
[40:27] watch the pod, but but Nick called you
[40:28] out for that, and and I think it's
[40:30] because he doesn't understand time
[40:31] zones. You got to Nick has never
[40:32] traveled before. You got to remember
[40:34] that. He's never been anywhere.
[40:35] >> That explains it.
[40:36] >> Yeah, and so he didn't understand, I
[40:38] think I'm being sort of serious. He
[40:40] didn't understand, I think, that like
[40:41] there's a time zone issue.
[40:42] >> He's like, "I don't know why people
[40:43] won't reply to me. I I just
[40:45] >> I sent a message 7:00 p.m. He's like,
[40:47] "What's going on?"
[40:48] >> Here's Here's what happened. Our we we
[40:51] have a text thread. I don't think this
[40:52] is a secret that is quite active. But
[40:54] it's quite active late in the evening,
[40:56] Pacific time, which is the middle of the
[40:58] night. And honestly, if you miss it,
[41:01] you're you're done.
[41:03] >> [laughter]
[41:04] >> And like I I love you all, but I also
[41:06] enjoy sleep. I enjoy spending time with
[41:08] my family. I enjoy not being on my phone
[41:10] on vacation.
[41:11] Uh I spend a lot of time on my phone. Uh
[41:15] on Slack and in emails and in text
[41:16] messages, and it's nice to disconnect.
[41:18] But it's great to be back and talking to
[41:20] you guys.
[41:20] >> So, now that you're reconnected, so what
[41:21] did you rent? You rented some Peugeot
[41:23] that didn't look all that great.
[41:24] >> rented a Peugeot 208, uh three-cylinder,
[41:26] 1-liter turbocharged.
[41:28] Uh
[41:29] small steering wheel, really small
[41:30] steering wheel. Also, the lightest
[41:32] steering. I I've rented a 208 before.
[41:34] It's a very common rental car in the
[41:36] like subcompact class.
[41:38] Uh I had a 1.4 four-cylinder last time.
[41:40] >> ask you a question, Lipo.
[41:41] >> It The steering is so I want to finish
[41:42] this. The steering is so light when I
[41:44] got home and drove our Mercedes,
[41:46] I legitimately thought for the first 20
[41:48] minutes that like my power steering was
[41:51] broken, cuz it was so heavy, and the
[41:53] steering wheel of my Mercedes is so big.
[41:56] >> heavy steering, I will say.
[41:57] >> The The Peugeot just has such light
[41:59] steering that it's it was
[42:01] a surprise.
[42:02] >> Do you Why didn't you rent something
[42:04] cool, like a Chevy Captiva?
[42:06] >> Uh thankfully, I was not given a Chevy
[42:08] Captiva. I've previously been given an
[42:10] Opel Grand Tour, which is a larger Chevy
[42:12] Captiva, literally, and I demanded that
[42:16] they switch it up.
[42:18] >> Mhm.
[42:19] >> Uh we were on a lot of very tight roads,
[42:21] and so a small car is all that they can
[42:22] do.
[42:23] Uh in in Abruzzo, which is like an area
[42:25] east of Rome by a couple hours in the
[42:27] mountains, some of the best roads I've
[42:29] ever been on, some of the tightest roads
[42:30] I've ever been on. The 208 felt large.
[42:33] Uh I was thinking about this a lot. If I
[42:34] had a Miata, which I could have rented
[42:36] from a different company for four or
[42:37] five x the price,
[42:39] the Miata would have been almost too
[42:41] big.
[42:42] >> You know what I You know what Filippo
[42:43] >> Filippo was too powerful.
[42:44] >> I find a little weird? You're rich, like
[42:46] very rich.
[42:47] >> No, I'm not, though.
[42:48] >> You could have rented a Miata.
[42:51] >> I It would have been so much more money.
[42:53] I can't do that.
[42:54] >> How much more are we talking?
[42:55] >> for 2 weeks for $507.
[42:57] Uh a Miata would have been 2,200.
[43:01] That's not worth it.
[43:02] That's not worth it.
[43:03] >> Yeah, 2,200 bucks for 2 weeks, like a
[43:06] hundred and some a day.
[43:08] >> Well, okay.
[43:08] >> when when my comparison point is $500,
[43:11] I'm not spending an extra $1,700 for a
[43:13] Miata, you know?
[43:14] >> Yeah, no, I mean, I You're That's That's
[43:16] That's who you are as a at your core.
[43:18] >> I wouldn't I'm not sure I would have
[43:19] spent an extra $700 for a Miata. Extra
[43:21] seven yes.
[43:23] Extra 70, sure.
[43:24] >> I On the on the saving money versus fun
[43:27] scale, you're always going to err on the
[43:28] side of saving money.
[43:30] >> Yeah, but I had a phenomenal vacation at
[43:31] the last place.
[43:32] >> Yeah, was it great?
[43:33] >> It was so nice. I really disconnected
[43:35] from you all. Thank you.
[43:36] >> What did you I'm glad that you did. You
[43:38] needed to.
[43:39] >> I did. Did I eat anything cool?
[43:41] >> Yeah, like nachos.
[43:43] >> No, no nachos. A lot [clears throat] of
[43:45] food.
[43:45] >> Italy, the land of nachos.
[43:47] >> Uh land of nachos. Uh pizza's kind of a
[43:49] nacho if you like don't think about it
[43:51] too much.
[43:52] You do? [laughter]
[43:54] Cheese.
[43:55] >> Bread.
[43:55] >> Cheese.
[43:56] >> Bread.
[43:56] >> Little bit.
[43:56] >> It's just sort of cooked in a slightly
[43:58] different way than nachos.
[43:59] >> Different ingredients.
[44:00] >> Not that
[44:01] >> Different order.
[44:02] >> Filippo,
[44:03] you ran into the Mille Miglia.
[44:05] >> I did. I was driving around I was with
[44:07] my with uh some some family we're we're
[44:09] coming back from something and we ran
[44:11] across a bunch of children on the side
[44:12] of the road.
[44:13] Like we didn't run into them. We saw a
[44:15] lot of children at like each
[44:16] intersection on the side of the road.
[44:17] >> Yep.
[44:17] >> And I wondered aloud, what do we think
[44:19] is happening? And my wife very kindly
[44:21] looks it up and the Mille Miglia is
[44:22] about to pass through like 10 minutes
[44:24] later. And so I rushed my family back to
[44:26] where we were staying. They didn't want
[44:28] to be a part of this.
[44:29] And then my wife and I went went back
[44:30] out and hung out at a like lakeside
[44:34] little little bar cafe to watch a lot of
[44:38] cool cars go by.
[44:39] >> Can I Can I ask you a question? You must
[44:41] have been very flummoxed by all the
[44:42] cars.
[44:43] >> Oh, I don't know anything about any of
[44:45] them.
[44:45] >> [laughter]
[44:46] >> But except for the Lexus LFA.
[44:48] >> The Lexus LFA I knew about.
[44:51] The some of the support vehicles cuz a
[44:52] lot of the the people running it have
[44:54] support vehicles.
[44:55] We were outside this like little cafe
[44:57] and the the owners son son and daughter
[45:00] very clearly were out there on the
[45:01] street. And I was like hanging out with
[45:03] my wife between cars going by cuz
[45:05] they're spread out by that point, right?
[45:06] Like they start off all together but
[45:08] then they some drive faster than others,
[45:10] some break down, some stop for a
[45:13] cigarette and an espresso, you know,
[45:15] things happen.
[45:15] >> That one Alpha hit that other Alpha, you
[45:17] saw that Kenny?
[45:18] >> Yeah.
[45:18] Yeah.
[45:20] And the kids were getting so excited
[45:23] about specific cars. And so I was like
[45:24] looking to them to like what what is
[45:26] coming? Is it going to be cool? And then
[45:28] I realized that the only cars that they
[45:30] cared about were anything new and
[45:32] loosely exotic. It's like any new 911
[45:36] really excited. Well, they live in an
[45:38] old Bugatti in Italy.
[45:39] Right. We It made me realize how spoiled
[45:42] we are. We see
[45:44] a top tier supercars, hypercars, sports
[45:48] cars, the rarest, the coolest variants
[45:50] every week in San Diego. We we live out
[45:53] out in Southern California, you see them
[45:54] when you're part of the car community in
[45:55] Southern California, you really see
[45:57] them. But these kids don't see a base
[45:58] 911 ever. It's it's rural Italy.
[46:02] It's Tuscany, like occasionally a
[46:04] tourist drives through in a Ferrari
[46:05] California with German plates.
[46:07] >> Yeah.
[46:07] >> That's it. That's the best you can hope
[46:09] for.
[46:09] >> Dude, you were special. You were
[46:11] special. I would argue that you were
[46:12] especially are spoiled sitting in that
[46:14] Porsche room with your You probably have
[46:16] a man bag.
[46:17] >> [laughter]
[46:18] >> There was a
[46:19] 991 GT3RS and a 964 Turbo like here.
[46:22] >> Damn.
[46:23] >> So, yeah.
[46:25] Uh we're a little spoiled. Uh but it was
[46:27] It was a refreshing reminder of what
[46:29] they'll get excited and what like still
[46:31] excites kids, which is
[46:32] Turns out that new sports cars still do.
[46:34] And some of the old stuff, like people
[46:36] were All the drivers were so sweet and
[46:38] were like waving and honking as they
[46:40] went by people and it was really fun.
[46:41] >> to them the kids in Italian?
[46:43] >> Of course.
[46:44] >> Did you say, "Hi, my name is Filippo. I
[46:46] would like to sit at this cafe."?
[46:48] >> Uh no, cuz it turns out when you go to a
[46:50] cafe to order things, you just kind of
[46:51] go up there and have a conversation and
[46:53] you order. You don't need to say, "My
[46:54] name is Filippo. I want to order food
[46:55] from your cafe." You just go and you
[46:57] chit-chat and you order food from the
[46:58] cafe.
[46:59] >> Uh I'm glad that you had at least one
[47:01] automotive experience, uh Filippo. And
[47:03] it appears you're having another within
[47:04] this in this in this Porsche world uh
[47:06] that you're in.
[47:07] >> It was so good. I love Italy. Everybody
[47:08] should go to Italy.
[47:10] Uh and I now have a few additional
[47:11] regions that I had not been to since I
[47:13] was a kid uh to recommend.
[47:15] >> Italy is the greatest country.
[47:17] >> It is the greatest country.
[47:19] >> Yeah.
[47:21] Uh-huh.
[47:22] Just say
[47:22] >> Yep.
[47:23] Yep. Do when do Where would you put
[47:25] Greenland on your list?
[47:29] >> Um
[47:31] mid to lowish.
[47:35] >> That was a trick question. It's not a
[47:37] country. Uh okay.
[47:38] >> That's right. It's a territory of
[47:39] Denmark.
[47:40] >> Uh
[47:41] in fact, they just use regular Denmark
[47:43] license plates, but and this is the key,
[47:45] they start with GR.
[47:47] >> Oh, I thought it was a country.
[47:49] >> Greenland.
[47:50] >> [laughter]
[47:54] >> We got it.
[47:56] >> [laughter]
[47:58] >> I'll tell you some things. That's we got
[48:00] to move on from that. Yes, so couple of
[48:02] things. So
[48:04] one is that so I have a car live right
[48:06] now. I'm very excited. The first Canon R
[48:08] car officially is live since I launched
[48:11] which I'm very excited about.
[48:12] >> gone and I'm so excited to see you.
[48:14] >> Thanks Filippo. I really appreciate
[48:15] that. It's a Lotus Amira. You know
[48:16] what's going to happen Filippo?
[48:18] >> Yeah, Canon and I are personally friends
[48:20] and do talk.
[48:20] >> Yeah, we we live like a block apart from
[48:22] one [laughter] another. We do see each
[48:24] other.
[48:25] >> He He stunned me on the podcast when he
[48:27] told everybody.
[48:28] >> [laughter]
[48:29] >> That's cuz you you live on the other
[48:31] coast. It's It's hard to communicate.
[48:32] >> And then later in the podcast he found
[48:34] me a Toyota Supra. Anyway,
[48:36] speaking of amazing speaking of Toyota
[48:38] sports cars the Amira.
[48:40] >> Yeah, so the
[48:41] >> [laughter]
[48:42] >> Well, no.
[48:43] >> Not this one.
[48:43] >> No, because this one is not this one has
[48:45] the four-cylinder. There only been one
[48:47] four-cylinder offering cars at Benz
[48:49] before, but this has the AMG M139
[48:52] turbocharged four-cylinder which I think
[48:54] is I was just reflecting upon this the
[48:56] other day when I was looking at the
[48:57] stats.
[48:58] I never thought that I would see the day
[48:59] when a four-cylinder from a manufacturer
[49:02] would make more power than my E39 M5's 5
[49:04] L V8. But here we are and like I
[49:07] personally love the Amira. I think it's
[49:09] one of like
[49:10] Yeah, 400 horsepower.
[49:12] >> you got like 395 394.
[49:14] >> 394 that's right. That's right. It's got
[49:15] me by a little bit. Half the cylinder
[49:17] count more power unbelievable.
[49:20] But nonetheless like it's this one I
[49:22] think half the yellow is the right color
[49:24] for this car. It looks so good. This is
[49:26] a really nice example 4,000 mi and it's
[49:28] got all the the great stuff with it. But
[49:30] it's so cool. I worked with Frank
[49:32] Harrington from the photographer's
[49:33] garage on this one who took amazing
[49:35] pictures of this car
[49:36] as he always does and yes, this is the
[49:38] very first one. I'm really excited to be
[49:39] offered with no reserve. So go check it
[49:41] out when you can. But
[49:42] >> Wait, sorry. Can I say something about
[49:43] this? We talked about the the the We we
[49:46] know that the six-cylinder manual's
[49:47] going away and then they're replacing
[49:49] the six-cylinder and the four-cylinder
[49:50] with their French-Chinese
[49:54] built
[49:54] >> Yep. Yep.
[49:55] >> So we thought that that that that end,
[49:57] there was a brief period where you can
[49:59] get an AMG four-cylinder in the mirror.
[50:02] >> Correct. Yeah, and the old when I talked
[50:04] to the owner of this car, the first
[50:05] words out of his mouth were it's still
[50:07] it's the AMG four-cylinder. He would
[50:09] like wanted to make sure I knew that,
[50:10] which I I fully fully did. Uh but
[50:13] nonetheless, really really love Yeah,
[50:15] great powertrain in a lot of really cool
[50:17] cars and just I just can't believe that
[50:18] kind of power can be made with
[50:19] four-cylinder car, but it can. Uh and
[50:22] the mirror is, you know, I think one of
[50:23] the coolest cars it's in. But okay, now
[50:25] there is something else I wanted to
[50:26] mention in addition to this. It was a
[50:27] friend of mine who has a Ferrari 575
[50:29] sent this to me, but there is a guy
[50:31] There's a YouTube video that just came
[50:32] out recently of a guy who did a full US
[50:35] tour, went to all 48 contiguous states
[50:38] in a Ferrari 575. He added It was I
[50:41] think it's 14,000
[50:43] miles to his car doing this drive, which
[50:45] is unbelievable. These Ferraris right
[50:47] now have become super valuable cars,
[50:49] like they're just on fire and not in the
[50:51] normal way. Uh their values are just
[50:53] skyrocketing. It's so cool to see when
[50:54] go out and actually, you know, use this
[50:56] car and like go drive it around. He did
[50:58] a video talking about like his
[51:00] experiences. I mean, he did I don't
[51:01] think he saw a bison like you did with
[51:03] your Aston Martin, Doug. But
[51:04] nonetheless, this guy like took it to He
[51:05] took it like to small towns, like drove
[51:08] it around, had great conversations, and
[51:09] it was just like a reminder to me that
[51:11] even if your car is something really
[51:12] special, like go out and use it and have
[51:14] experiences and share it with people.
[51:16] That's when you derive the most pleasure
[51:17] out of it,
[51:18] >> [laughter]
[51:18] >> which is especially within the Ferrari
[51:19] community. It's just like a lot of
[51:20] Ferraris, you know, uh you covered up
[51:22] and and protected and stuff. But I mean,
[51:24] this guy would just went out and did it.
[51:26] Uh which I think is so so so cool.
[51:28] >> Um so if If you had a Ferrari 575M
[51:31] Maranello,
[51:33] what state would you most want to be
[51:35] driving it in?
[51:37] >> Mm. That's tough to say. Um well, I
[51:40] mostly would just want to drive it here
[51:41] at home and use it as often as I
[51:42] possibly could.
[51:43] >> Yeah, but this guy did a road trip.
[51:46] >> Yeah, he did. I think
[51:48] I mean Colorado has a lot of lovely
[51:50] roads that are suited to it. Wide open
[51:52] wide open but then you have nice
[51:53] beautiful mountain twisty roads.
[51:55] There's a a lot of great places to use
[51:57] it. I mean just spectacular looking out
[51:58] that wind looking out that windshield
[51:59] seeing that beautiful long hood and then
[52:01] mountains in the like I mean that would
[52:03] just be amazing. Then some roads I think
[52:05] in Arizona some really straight ones to
[52:07] like you know exercise the V12 a little
[52:09] bit. But to that point Oh no, he did see
[52:11] a bison. Look at that. But but
[52:13] [laughter]
[52:14] But to that point like he like I was cuz
[52:16] I was curious about reliability right?
[52:18] You're going to drive it that far.
[52:19] That's a lot of That's I mean that's a
[52:21] major that it needs after before and
[52:23] after.
[52:23] >> Yeah, I mean he must have serviced it
[52:24] during this trip.
[52:25] >> A little bit so he needed to he blew
[52:28] through a set of tires [laughter]
[52:29] completely wore them out. Not a surprise
[52:31] Pirellis. And then he had a clogged
[52:34] AC line and then it was acting up on
[52:36] him. But pretty minor stuff like the car
[52:38] just like otherwise did it which is
[52:39] >> also he must have also serviced he must
[52:41] have done I mean 40,000 miles he must
[52:43] have done an oil change you know and
[52:44] stuff like that.
[52:45] >> Uh 14,000 but yeah he beforehand like I
[52:47] would imagine and probably during it I
[52:49] think he did do maybe an oil change. But
[52:51] nonetheless like the guy just went out
[52:52] and used the car and I just think that
[52:54] is like so so cool. And yes I know like
[52:56] obviously I'm sure he picked up a lot of
[52:58] rock chips and needs some cosmetic
[52:59] reconditioning now but who cares? Like I
[53:01] mean you're not going to you're not
[53:02] going to go to your grave having you
[53:04] know he's going to have cool stories to
[53:05] tell tell and he like lived and so I
[53:08] think it's just a cool reminder and I
[53:09] thought it was a really really cool
[53:11] video.
[53:11] >> Filippo for the next time you debate
[53:12] whether you want to get a Miata or a
[53:14] Peugeot 208 with a three-cylinder keep
[53:16] in mind that you too could live.
[53:18] Although I understand you don't wish to.
[53:21] Okay, we got to move on from the top car
[53:23] segment move on to the incredibly
[53:24] important market report. There is a lot
[53:26] of reporting that we have to do about
[53:27] the market. The market report is brought
[53:29] to you by the convertible Toyota 4Runner
[53:31] which will be coming out my guess is
[53:33] probably sometime in the next year in
[53:35] order for Toyota to
[53:38] to distract us from the fact that
[53:39] they're not recalling hybrid power
[53:41] trains
[53:42] uh due to a small technicality.
[53:44] >> It It existed. Don't forget.
[53:47] >> Yeah, so where is it again? Jesus.
[53:50] >> Does Kenneth know that it existed?
[53:51] Kenneth, do you know where it existed?
[53:53] >> No, I wasn't aware
[53:54] >> original 4Runner had a removable top.
[53:56] The original
[53:57] >> really like a
[53:58] Tacoma with a removable top on the back
[54:00] and seats, but yeah.
[54:01] >> Exactly what it was.
[54:02] >> I think I guess.
[54:03] >> Uh Mark and we got to start with the
[54:04] United 2. This is one of the greatest
[54:06] things ever happened. Kenneth, pull up
[54:07] the United 2. By the way, speaking of
[54:09] Ohio, this is where the E92 was going.
[54:11] >> Oh, nice.
[54:13] >> We sold this E92 M3. It came in and and
[54:16] the fellow who bought it, he had owned
[54:17] it from new. And I don't think he was
[54:19] really paying that much attention to the
[54:20] market because he was like, "I'm going
[54:22] to get a"
[54:23] He wasn't like thinking he'd get big
[54:24] money. And I was like, "This is a
[54:25] one-owner competition final model year
[54:28] 17,000 mile manual transmission
[54:31] individual frozen silver."
[54:32] >> Yeah.
[54:33] >> Like this is the the E92 to end all
[54:35] E92s. Sold for 97,500 United States
[54:39] dollars. It was over 100
[54:40] >> Grand with the fee.
[54:41] >> Um I did a video on it. I had a lot of
[54:42] fun in that car. It's been a long time
[54:44] since I've driven an E92 M3.
[54:46] Uh and I had a lot of fun in that car. I
[54:48] forgot how how special it is to have a
[54:51] V8 in a car like that.
[54:52] >> Yeah. And it's
[54:54] It's Yeah, it's it's just an like this
[54:56] was you're absolutely right. This is the
[54:58] car. Short of like a Lime Rock with a
[55:00] manual and very low mileage, like this
[55:01] is it. Um but yeah, I mean the the S65
[55:05] it's so funny cuz like they're so
[55:06] different compared to like my car.
[55:07] Everybody asked me if I why didn't you
[55:08] get an M3? Um it just revs. That engine
[55:11] just goes and goes and goes and goes.
[55:14] >> what You know what's interesting? I I've
[55:15] always looked at the torque figure and
[55:17] looked at the torque peak uh numbers and
[55:19] thought, "Well, an engine it just
[55:20] doesn't have torque." And so you It's a
[55:22] V8, but it doesn't behave like a V8. I
[55:24] didn't feel that way when I drove it
[55:25] this time for some reason. I'm not sure
[55:26] exactly why, but it felt like it was a
[55:28] little torquier low than I remembered.
[55:31] Maybe because I had remembered it being
[55:32] like an S2000 and and it was just better
[55:34] than my expectation, but I I just really
[55:37] loved that car and that powertrain. It's
[55:38] a really nice situation.
[55:40] >> blame you. It's actually a more true, I
[55:41] would say, powertrain like for BMWs.
[55:43] Yes, it's a it's V8, but BMW engines are
[55:46] about revs. Like the M engines are high
[55:48] revving, naturally aspirated. Like the
[55:49] best ones are are I feel are like that
[55:50] from And this But yeah, I mean, it is
[55:53] I'm so glad this car car got the
[55:54] appreciation I feel like it deserves.
[55:56] It's like it's it's the one. It's just
[55:58] the one.
[55:58] >> Have you ever considered, Cannon,
[56:00] replacing your E39 M5 for an E90 M3
[56:03] sedan?
[56:04] >> Yeah, LCI. I have on occasion considered
[56:06] that but
[56:08] uh I like torque.
[56:09] >> [laughter]
[56:09] >> My motor's got torque.
[56:11] >> Your motor does have torque, but um man,
[56:13] that E90. What a great car.
[56:15] >> good. Great interior, great design, so
[56:17] if Felipe over there
[56:19] I never mind, you're not going to
[56:20] consider one of these ever.
[56:22] Um but and those wheels, the competition
[56:24] wheels. Ugh.
[56:25] One of the finest BMW wheels.
[56:27] >> Yeah, Felipe's not ready for it, but
[56:29] like a a real adult who's like wants to
[56:31] get into a real sports car might be
[56:33] ready for it.
[56:33] >> I do love the E90. I think
[56:35] >> the E90 the sedan looks better than than
[56:37] the coupe.
[56:38] >> I think the coupe looks great, but I
[56:39] think the sedan looks really good. I
[56:41] think the convertible, as much as I
[56:42] prefer convertibles in every car, looked
[56:45] a little ungainly, which is unfortunate
[56:47] because they tried really hard to make
[56:49] it look coupe-like, and I think
[56:50] convertibles are great, and I think that
[56:52] convertible in particular is a bargain,
[56:54] but it
[56:55] it's a little weird-looking, a little.
[56:58] >> Oh oh regardless, though, I'm not
[57:00] surprised to see a nice, but not
[57:03] perfect, in that it has 17,000 mi.
[57:05] That's incredibly low by collector
[57:06] standards. They're like
[57:07] >> that hit me about this
[57:08] >> that surprising.
[57:09] >> I agree with you. The thing that hit me
[57:11] about this car is that we are seeing in
[57:13] the exotic market a big rise in the the
[57:16] um you know, the pre-hybrid,
[57:17] pre-automatic
[57:19] phase. All those cars are shooting
[57:21] through the moon. It's not just those.
[57:23] This car is proof of that. Like E92 M3
[57:25] at $100,000 is something we all could
[57:27] have predicted, but now is the day that
[57:29] it's happening. It's time. Another car
[57:30] that I thought was interesting that sold
[57:31] this week for much more money than I was
[57:33] expecting was this Audi RS5. Pull up
[57:34] that that RS5 there, Cannon. Um, for a
[57:39] brief period Audi made the RS5 with a
[57:41] big old V8 and the perfect one listed on
[57:45] our site, which is a low mileage with a
[57:47] V8 in this this gorgeous blue color.
[57:50] Sepang blue.
[57:53] And [clears throat] it sold for $52,000.
[57:55] A lot more than I was expecting.
[57:58] And it's again, I think the market is
[58:00] just really coalescing around these V8
[58:04] these [clears throat] experiences.
[58:06] >> Yeah.
[58:06] >> I'm a little surprised by this one cuz
[58:09] you can still replicate a V8 automatic
[58:12] experience. And so it's a little
[58:13] surprising to see
[58:15] strength.
[58:16] >> Sure.
[58:17] >> Or an AMG GT which is also 50 grand for
[58:20] a car that should be higher
[58:22] premium in some way.
[58:24] >> Yeah, this is an NA V8.
[58:26] >> Yeah, it's an NA V8. The other thing to
[58:27] keep in mind is like this car had some
[58:30] mods on it, but a lot of these cars have
[58:31] a lot of mods on them these days.
[58:35] >> Yeah, this had the good mods. I I don't
[58:37] know. I I'm just I'm continuing to be
[58:39] interested in this
[58:40] this whole world. This
[58:42] We called it years ago on this podcast
[58:44] and a lot of other videos that this sort
[58:45] of mid-2000s to mid-2010 era where cars
[58:49] had NA V8s and and big NA engines before
[58:51] the screens, before the hybrids, before
[58:53] too much complication is going to be
[58:54] looked at as the '60s of our generation.
[58:56] And boy, is that happening right before
[58:58] our eyes.
[58:59] >> So, you all got in.
[59:01] You heard it here. Yeah, and I still I
[59:02] still think there's probably room to get
[59:03] in like
[59:04] buy the cars that you love. Like at the
[59:06] at the end of the day, if you can do it,
[59:07] buy them cuz they're
[59:09] you you might not get a second chance.
[59:11] It just depends.
[59:11] >> I definitely would not pay buy a car GT
[59:13] today.
[59:15] >> No, I mean, yeah, well, even my beloved
[59:17] 355. It's like the gold 550s like stuff
[59:20] stuff like that has moved. But there are
[59:22] still bargains out there. You know,
[59:24] that's this is a a example of that. So,
[59:26] I I think like these cars are really
[59:27] just really special. So,
[59:28] >> You got to buy the good stuff while you
[59:30] can. Toyota's still not making a
[59:31] convertible 4Runner, folks. This is the
[59:33] next best thing.
[59:35] >> Can I ask, instead of the Curvature
[59:37] Tube, would you buy we have a Ferrari
[59:39] 330 P4 recreation recreation?
[59:42] >> Yeah, this thing is so cool.
[59:43] >> so wild. Would you buy that instead?
[59:46] >> No, but I would um
[59:50] not buy the Curvature Tube.
[59:51] >> [laughter]
[59:51] >> It's a Ferrari V12, the gated five-speed
[59:54] manual. It looks I mean, the
[59:56] correct
[59:57] >> It's a little too It's a little too
[59:59] unusable and and excessive for me. I
[60:01] would I actually don't mind the really
[60:02] good Ferrari replicas. I just wouldn't
[60:05] want That one's just a little too like
[60:07] crazy for me.
[60:08] >> You know what I'm saying?
[60:09] It's a piece of
[60:10] grass.
[60:11] >> With the bubble Yeah. windshield and
[60:13] look over those those fenders.
[60:15] >> It's amazing, but I got the Countach. I
[60:17] wouldn't mind like a 250 short wheelbase
[60:20] replica. I would be interested in that
[60:22] or a um
[60:23] something like that.
[60:24] >> Probably it would be Do you have a 250
[60:26] TR rep? I know that's kind of a What's
[60:28] on the edge?
[60:29] >> pretty focused cuz there's no there's no
[60:31] roof on that thing and all that, you
[60:32] know.
[60:33] >> That's right. Well, we live here. When
[60:34] do you need a roof?
[60:35] >> You do.
[60:36] >> I live here. Um
[60:39] >> [laughter]
[60:40] >> Okay, we got any more market reports to
[60:42] talk about?
[60:43] >> I
[60:44] I'm I'm content to move on to questions.
[60:47] >> We got to move on to questions because
[60:48] even though we didn't Let me tell you
[60:49] what happened, folks. We put up a
[60:50] questions post this week and it was Ryan
[60:52] Lopez who did it and he didn't turn the
[60:54] questions on. He didn't turn on
[60:55] comments. In fact, he turned off
[60:56] comments and I discovered I I came up
[60:58] with a a thing about Ryan Lopez that I
[61:00] think's going to be We got to We got to
[61:01] use from now on. His slogan is
[61:05] almost.
[61:06] Ryan Lopez
[61:07] >> [laughter]
[61:08] >> almost.
[61:11] >> It does sound Yeah, in the marketing
[61:12] pitch the Mad Men pitch, that is exactly
[61:14] what we would do.
[61:15] >> [laughter]
[61:15] >> I I will defend Mr. Ryan Lopez because I
[61:18] think he did that while driving across
[61:20] the country in a Model T or whatever
[61:24] you're driving [laughter] across the
[61:24] country. And so that's going to mess
[61:26] with your brain in some way.
[61:27] >> You know what?
[61:28] I used to do these posts and I once
[61:30] missed one by like an hour and I was
[61:31] apoplectically cross with myself.
[61:33] >> Cannon, Cannon, there were expectations
[61:35] for you. But for Ryan Lopez, he
[61:37] Remember, Ryan Lopez.
[61:38] >> Almost. Almost.
[61:40] >> Um okay, so I want to move on to the
[61:42] questions. Somebody put up a privateer
[61:44] post and the questions were actually
[61:45] amazing. They [laughter] were incredible
[61:47] questions. So, we got good stuff. And
[61:49] the the first question is the best
[61:50] question from EVs and clutch pedals.
[61:52] Below are the 10 best-selling passenger
[61:54] vehicles in the USA last year. If you
[61:57] had to daily drive one for a year, what
[62:00] would it be? I'm going to read them to
[62:01] you. So, that's the question. Think
[62:02] about it as I read you the cars.
[62:03] >> year, okay.
[62:04] >> Camry, CRV, Equinox, F-150, Model Y,
[62:09] RAM RAV4 Sierra Silverado Tacoma.
[62:13] For me, it's undoubtedly the Tacoma.
[62:15] It's the only question on my mind. What
[62:16] about you guys?
[62:20] >> I like sedans, so it's probably going to
[62:21] be the Camry for me. I think the Camry
[62:24] The Taco actually is the was the first
[62:26] in my gut was that was the first thing I
[62:27] thought I would use, but I've never had
[62:29] a truck like I would be
[62:30] >> It wouldn't be a question for me. In
[62:32] fact, I wish they made a convertible
[62:33] one.
[62:34] >> I would
[62:35] >> [laughter]
[62:35] >> What are you, the Dakota Sport? Uh I
[62:37] would have an F-150 over the Taco.
[62:39] >> way, the convertible Dakota you didn't
[62:40] have to get a sport. You could get a
[62:42] standard regular or a convertible.
[62:43] >> Nobody did.
[62:44] >> You would get an F-150?
[62:46] >> Over over a Taco. I think I would go for
[62:48] a CRV Hybrid.
[62:49] >> Okay.
[62:50] >> Or or for 2026, the RAV4 GR Hybrid.
[62:55] >> Yeah, that's a very exciting car.
[62:56] Cannon, what's your answer here? You
[62:58] would do Camry?
[62:59] >> know. I I think I think I would do the
[63:00] Camry. It's the I love sedans and like
[63:02] the Camry is just it's just so
[63:04] comfortable.
[63:04] >> What are we a Toyota podcast? This is
[63:06] the same company that won't recall their
[63:07] hybrids.
[63:08] >> I didn't say a Toyota. You said a
[63:10] Toyota.
[63:10] >> What do you mean? You You just said the
[63:11] GR RAV4. You just said that.
[63:14] >> but I said the CRV HYBRID FIRST.
[63:17] >> HE CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT HE JUST GOT.
[63:19] HE'S GOT
[63:20] >> how the new RAV4 looks.
[63:22] >> This is the level of effort that Felipe
[63:23] puts into his answers.
[63:24] >> here in Portland, but his mind is still
[63:26] in Switzerland.
[63:27] >> That's right. That's all I got to answer
[63:28] a question about non-Porsches.
[63:31] Ugh.
[63:31] Okay, next question.
[63:33] >> salt. I love
[63:34] >> Next question. This is a good one. Uh
[63:36] from tall guy small car, question for
[63:37] Doug. It's actually a question for all
[63:38] of us. Uh you recently claimed the Lotus
[63:41] Esprit V8 is a cheap alternative to your
[63:42] Countach that still gives a similar type
[63:44] of excitement and feel.
[63:45] >> feel. I think that's true. You agree
[63:46] with that, Kenan, right?
[63:47] >> I agree with that, yep, still.
[63:49] >> Here Well, here's the question. What are
[63:50] some similar cheap alternatives to your
[63:52] other cars that offer a similar feel? Uh
[63:55] your Carrera GT or your Ford GT.
[63:57] >> Um actually the Ford GT is that
[63:59] alternative for the Carrera GT in a way.
[64:01] >> Yeah.
[64:02] >> Yeah.
[64:03] >> I think another alter- I think an
[64:04] alternative for the Countach, another
[64:06] alternative for the Countach is a is a
[64:07] Gallardo, actually. I think a manual
[64:09] Gallardo has a similar amount, not the
[64:11] same, but some gravitas, some craziness,
[64:14] some wedge shape, uh for a lot less
[64:16] money. I think that that's another
[64:18] possibility. Um Carrera GT is so defined
[64:22] by the precision of the car and the
[64:24] immense specialness of the powertrain
[64:27] that I honestly think it's difficult to
[64:28] replicate cheaper. Like, yes, a Boxster
[64:30] Spyder is also a mid-engine Porsche that
[64:32] has similar looks and is quick, but it
[64:34] it doesn't it's not even close to
[64:36] delivering what I think makes the
[64:38] Carrera GT the Carrera GT. Whereas, I
[64:40] think a Esprit actually gets pretty
[64:42] close to doing [laughter] what the
[64:43] Countach does, and
[64:45] >> I'm honest.
[64:46] >> Um and I don't really see a great
[64:48] Carrera GT alternative. The Ford GT's
[64:50] sort of, but I'm astonished every time I
[64:53] drive them back to back, you can tell
[64:54] why the Ford GT was so much cheaper.
[64:57] Like, if I didn't love the Ford GT and
[64:59] if I drove the Carrera GT a lot more, I
[65:00] would defo sell that Ford GT.
[65:03] >> [laughter]
[65:03] >> Like, it's just
[65:05] not on the same level. But, I think it's
[65:07] hard to get on the same level.
[65:09] >> Audi is not a bad al- Ford GT
[65:11] alternative for this question.
[65:13] >> Yeah, it's a similar idea.
[65:15] >> or C7 Z06?
[65:16] >> Different different, but like replacing.
[65:19] >> Similar idea, like a supercar from a
[65:20] regular manufacturer is still a special
[65:22] car, still very fast, still very cool.
[65:24] Think that's true.
[65:25] >> Viper, fifth gen?
[65:26] >> Yeah, a good fifth gen Viper. Although a
[65:29] good fifth gen Viper is not that much
[65:30] cheaper than a 4G T.
[65:31] >> Actually,
[65:32] for a 4G T, it's still a fifth the
[65:33] price.
[65:34] >> A regular fifth gen, but like an ACR is
[65:37] like a
[65:37] >> ACR is too much for a 4G T.
[65:38] >> That's too much of a
[65:39] >> Too much of a tracky.
[65:41] >> Yeah, that's true.
[65:43] Um those are all those are I think an R8
[65:44] is probably the best 4G T alternative.
[65:46] It's it's to me it's the same idea. It's
[65:48] a mid-engine, it was supposed to be a
[65:49] halo car, pretty serviceable, pretty
[65:50] usable, pretty drivable, a lot of fun.
[65:53] Um I think that's like the answer to
[65:55] that. Carrera GT I just can't come up
[65:56] with something really that captures like
[65:59] the essence of how I feel when I drive
[66:00] that car.
[66:02] You got anything, Kevin?
[66:04] >> No, I've been trying to think cuz like
[66:05] even from the Porsche world, like
[66:06] Boxster Spyder was the first thing I
[66:07] thought of, but um I mean now it's it's
[66:11] it's really hard. 911 ST, but yeah, it's
[66:13] not the same.
[66:14] >> A 911 GT3 RS 4.0 kind of starts going
[66:16] down the road, but that's a million
[66:17] bucks. I don't think it's I don't think
[66:19] it answers the question in the spirit of
[66:20] the question.
[66:22] >> That's a pretty good it's less than half
[66:24] the cost.
[66:24] >> The question the question is being asked
[66:26] >> I get it. Yeah, I I get it. I get it.
[66:28] >> Yeah. GT2 RS
[66:29] >> is the answer though for people that
[66:30] will never experience
[66:32] >> Boxster Spyder what you're describing.
[66:34] >> Like like like that only that it
[66:36] comparison falls apart when you get to
[66:37] the specialness of the Carrera GT engine
[66:39] and powertrain and like the feel of
[66:41] being in that car with that shifter wood
[66:43] and up there. Nobody's going to get to
[66:44] experience that. So if you don't know
[66:46] better
[66:47] >> Yeah, I guess I guess [laughter] I know.
[66:49] Hell, if you don't know better, the CRV
[66:50] Hybrid is actually the right
[66:52] >> No, we know that.
[66:54] >> Toyota should make a convertible
[66:55] 4Runner. Right, on to the next question.
[66:57] Uh from AA Rev 2020, "Dear Doug, with
[67:00] another child on the way, do you think
[67:01] you'll use the Sequoia year-round now?"
[67:03] Absolutely not. I wouldn't be caught
[67:04] dead driving that car.
[67:06] Even though I love it.
[67:08] Uh my wife and I have three-row station
[67:09] wagons. We're good.
[67:12] We're good.
[67:13] Filippo's got one, too.
[67:15] If we need to borrow one,
[67:16] >> Yeah, you you got it. I have a more
[67:18] spacious third row. We've tested and
[67:20] decided.
[67:21] >> Uh
[67:22] what about the S210?
[67:25] >> Uh
[67:26] >> That's a big butt.
[67:28] >> It's a big butt.
[67:29] >> long
[67:30] >> Yes, voluptuous.
[67:31] >> Big butt.
[67:32] >> Uh I love this next question.
[67:35] >> The next question, dear Doug, with your
[67:36] growing family, a lot of growing family
[67:38] questions, don't you think it's time to
[67:39] get really serious about acquiring the
[67:40] Italdesign Columbus? You think towing
[67:42] kids around on a Supra is cool? Who
[67:44] could be the true story van? It's more
[67:45] of a split-level van, I would argue.
[67:47] It's
[67:47] That's a Filippo knows he was from the
[67:50] Filippo grew up in Wisconsin. He lived
[67:52] in a split-level, for God's sake.
[67:54] >> Never lived in a split-level, but yeah.
[67:56] >> Yeah, but you had a walk-out basement, I
[67:57] bet. I bet you had one of those in
[67:59] >> we did. Yeah.
[68:01] >> [laughter]
[68:02] >> Connecticut.
[68:03] >> Damn, Filippo.
[68:04] >> Uh the answer is I tried to buy the
[68:06] Italdesign Columbus years ago. I sent
[68:08] them I I got in serious emails with
[68:10] them, and they were like, "We're not
[68:11] selling this. It's part of our
[68:12] heritage." And I'm thinking, "Isn't this
[68:14] part of your heritage that you maybe
[68:15] don't want to
[68:16] have anymore?" Like,
[68:18] >> It would be really bad.
[68:19] So,
[68:20] Mercedes has we talked a months ago
[68:23] about the VLS, Mercedes their like fancy
[68:25] van. First drives are out, people are
[68:28] vaguely into it. There's a luxury
[68:29] version.
[68:31] The Italdesign Columbus would be like
[68:33] the ultimate family van, for sure. So,
[68:36] you should reach you should reach out
[68:37] again.
[68:38] >> I they what they were suggesting was was
[68:40] they were said, "Hey, look, instead of
[68:41] give selling you the one we have, we
[68:42] could make you a we can create one
[68:44] together." And I'm like, "I'm not going
[68:46] to spend a million dollars creating a
[68:47] heinous van. You already did that. I now
[68:50] want to buy it for like $65,000."
[68:53] >> Oh, we we might be at a price mismatch.
[68:55] >> I would spend 200.
[68:57] I just have to wait for
[68:58] >> Italdesign folks, reach out.
[68:59] >> I got to wait for Italdesign to get into
[69:01] dire financial straits, which you have
[69:03] to assume is not far off.
[69:05] >> shocking they're not already there.
[69:06] Yeah, I can't believe they they would
[69:08] pull off something
[69:09] >> in I swoop in as their savior in two
[69:11] ways. I give them cash and I free up
[69:13] space and they can downgrade to a
[69:14] smaller office cuz that car takes up so
[69:16] much room.
[69:18] >> But you say that it's a van. I picture
[69:20] it more being like a Winnebago is the
[69:22] size I'm I'm picturing. Like
[69:24] it's humongous.
[69:26] You would have to be It would have to be
[69:27] 12 in the middle.
[69:28] >> Uh okay, next question from Bear at the
[69:30] Controls 7 and this is a great question.
[69:33] Uh Bear at the Controls 7, "Dear Doug,
[69:35] what's the best idea an automaker pumped
[69:37] loads of money into only to abandon it
[69:39] later?" GM OnStar, right Filippo?
[69:43] >> OnStar is still A THING.
[69:44] >> OH, YEAH. People using it I bet. I BET
[69:47] THEY'RE OUT THERE USING IT LIKE CRAZY. I
[69:49] bet THEY'RE PUSHING THE BUTTON.
[69:51] >> When you
[69:52] It only Every manufacturer now, to be
[69:55] fair, they led the way. Every
[69:56] manufacturer has like an emergency
[69:57] response system now where in theory you
[70:00] can call it for like support, but it's
[70:03] really a you got into an accident we'll
[70:05] call them now.
[70:05] >> But remember OnStar was supposed to be a
[70:07] savior and I remember I sold GM cars and
[70:09] I remember people would come in and say
[70:10] that but the Toyota has navigation. And
[70:13] we'd say, "You don't need navigation. We
[70:14] have OnStar."
[70:17] >> Yeah, OnStar is not a bad one. I I
[70:19] really thought you were going to say
[70:20] Quadrasteer when you said GM. I don't
[70:22] think that much money went into
[70:23] Quadrasteer.
[70:25] >> Quadrasteer is now on every luxury car,
[70:28] so they won.
[70:29] Once again, General Motors paved the way
[70:32] and then the Euro trash was was well
[70:35] behind them.
[70:37] >> [laughter]
[70:38] >> Was the question just Was it just one
[70:40] manufacturer like what they did?
[70:42] The car that comes to mind that never
[70:44] became a car to me was Apple pursuing
[70:46] like doing a car themselves. They pumped
[70:48] millions and millions of dollars into
[70:49] that. Never It never went anywhere and
[70:51] then Johnny went and gave us the Luche,
[70:52] which is maybe why Apple didn't do it.
[70:54] >> That that's the smarter decision than a
[70:56] brand putting a ton of money into a car
[70:58] that then is and everyone knows it's
[71:00] going to be a total flop, but they sort
[71:02] of get to this point. But yes, it's a
[71:03] lot of money and
[71:06] >> It went nowhere.
[71:07] >> I think that the Fisker Ocean's
[71:09] California mode.
[71:11] >> Wasn't that much money independently,
[71:12] but it's a lot of windows with motors.
[71:15] >> I don't think that was the I don't think
[71:16] that was a big part of their
[71:18] The fighting
[71:19] it was the embezzlement.
[71:21] >> All of their marketing.
[71:23] >> I mean there's been a lot of dumb
[71:24] marketing things that were really big
[71:25] components of cars that nobody ended up
[71:27] caring about that much. Um
[71:30] >> Envoy SUV.
[71:32] >> Stuff like that. Yeah, but I think
[71:34] OnStar is a really is a really good one.
[71:35] >> OnStar's a good answer.
[71:38] >> It was It was like It was like the heart
[71:40] of their marketing for like 20 years
[71:41] that they had this.
[71:43] >> I
[71:44] run flats also sort of come to mind.
[71:46] >> Run flats
[71:47] >> Toyota in the 2000s did run flat tires
[71:49] that had a lot of trade-off, but
[71:51] wouldn't go flat. They still do by the
[71:52] way. Offer that. But for a while Toyota
[71:55] on the search you mean Honda on the
[71:56] Odyssey also had run flats that
[71:58] everybody had issues with. Like there
[72:00] was a lot of investment in how can we
[72:01] make these tires be safer not have
[72:04] punctures not
[72:05] >> And nobody really bought it. Like Like I
[72:07] mean people bought it, but nobody bought
[72:09] it like mentally.
[72:10] >> If they could have avoided buying it,
[72:12] they would have. Every single Odyssey
[72:13] buyer would have avoided it.
[72:14] >> The And now though every Odyssey is on
[72:16] rims from that era. The ones that
[72:17] haven't launched their transmissions are
[72:19] on rims so that people can avoid the run
[72:22] flat tires.
[72:23] Uh okay, that's a good question. Next
[72:25] question uh from Bear with the Controls
[72:28] 7 again.
[72:29] >> Ooh.
[72:29] >> Hey Doug, when you went to GM to review
[72:30] the Cadillac Voyage, did you ask the
[72:32] people from GM what happened to the
[72:33] Cadillac 16 concept car [clears throat]
[72:35] from 2003? Uh I reviewed the Cadillac
[72:37] Voyage concept car there at GM. They
[72:39] have all the concept cars. It's just
[72:41] that not all of them run. That was That
[72:43] was why I had to choose the Voyage. I
[72:44] would have chosen a bunch of others, but
[72:45] a lot of a lot of the other concept cars
[72:46] just either never ran or only ran like
[72:49] with a small remote control and a small
[72:51] battery or something.
[72:53] Um or they just don't they're not
[72:55] operant. Um and so I think that I could
[72:57] have done a lot of concept cars if I was
[72:58] willing not to drive it, but graciously
[73:00] they actually let me drive this thing,
[73:03] which was part of the fun of the review.
[73:04] That's why I chose the That was one of
[73:05] the reasons why I chose the Voyage.
[73:07] Um next question from D_4BES.
[73:12] Dear Doug, as you mentioned recently
[73:13] you're never keeping you're not keeping
[73:15] any of your cars forever.
[73:17] You've historically been the leading
[73:18] voice of no reserve and have sold a lot
[73:19] of cars no reserve on Cars and Bids.
[73:21] Will you sell the Carrera GT no reserve
[73:22] when the time comes to depart with it?
[73:25] Heck yeah.
[73:27] Yep.
[73:28] But I have a suspicion that the world
[73:30] will be different when it's time to sell
[73:31] the Carrera GT.
[73:33] You know what I mean?
[73:34] Will Cars and Bids still be around? Will
[73:36] Filippo?
[73:39] Hmm.
[73:39] >> Man, these are deep philosophical
[73:41] questions.
[73:43] >> You never know.
[73:45] Like if I'm we're talking 20, 25 years.
[73:47] Like by then maybe online car auctions
[73:50] have gone away and all all cars are sold
[73:53] via chip implanted in your brain, you
[73:55] know?
[73:56] >> A walk in the park.
[73:57] Actually, that's Filippo's dream because
[73:59] then he can just imagine That's what he
[74:00] does. He imagines what the car is like,
[74:02] doesn't have to own it, and he gets that
[74:04] the
[74:05] the philosophical and the the sort of
[74:07] the experience out of his system. It's
[74:09] interesting.
[74:10] >> Yeah.
[74:11] >> I I hopefully we don't have a need for
[74:12] cars.
[74:13] >> Oh, hopefully we don't even have a need
[74:14] for cars.
[74:15] >> An hour and a half into this week's
[74:16] podcast. I'd be
[74:19] >> 25 years we as a society will no longer
[74:22] need cars.
[74:24] >> And and how many years?
[74:25] >> 25.
[74:26] >> Is that when you're going to get rid of
[74:27] the Carrera GT?
[74:28] >> Well, I don't I Yeah, probably something
[74:30] like I don't think it's going to be like
[74:31] I don't think I'll keep it forever, but
[74:32] I have a suspicion it's going to stick
[74:33] around for a while.
[74:36] Don't you think?
[74:38] >> I don't know, man.
[74:40] Right now your Carrera GT is worth what?
[74:41] 2 million? Ish? Something like that. I
[74:43] don't know what value it's at. But like
[74:45] it becomes to three, four, five. Can you
[74:47] still drive it? Can you still
[74:49] decide to own it? I don't know.
[74:51] >> Yeah, that'll be hard. I mean, it'll
[74:53] depend a lot on my financial situation.
[74:55] Um as the poorest Carrera GT owner, at
[74:57] some point I'll have to make a decision
[74:58] as to whether I'd rather have the money
[75:00] liquid. Uh okay, final question, final
[75:02] question, final question, final
[75:04] question, final question from _nick.
[75:07] Dear Doug, now that you're back on cars,
[75:08] would you take another run at the
[75:10] Gilmore Girls Jeep? It's just down the
[75:12] road in Connecticut. Folks, I've talked
[75:13] about this on this podcast. One of my
[75:15] great heartbreaks in life is that the
[75:17] people who owned the Jeep from Gilmore
[75:20] Girls will not sell it to me.
[75:22] Um I made them a nice offer. I made them
[75:26] another nice offer. I then went to their
[75:27] house uh
[75:29] with weaponry. [snorts]
[75:32] >> [laughter]
[75:33] >> Oh my god.
[75:36] >> No, they they never have sold it to me.
[75:38] Filippo, what do you think? I was
[75:39] thinking about this the other day cuz I
[75:40] I'm getting out of this G Wagon and I
[75:41] got to get a Jeep or something. And that
[75:43] car is just sitting It's sitting
[75:44] probably 120 mi from me. What do I do?
[75:47] >> When was the last time you reached out
[75:49] to the fine people of Gilmore Girls
[75:51] Jeep?
[75:52] >> Uh all right, it's uh last message to
[75:55] them was uh in uh
[75:58] April of '21.
[76:00] >> Uh it's maybe it's worth a little email.
[76:02] >> It's been 5 years.
[76:04] >> Yeah, hit them again. Situations change.
[76:06] COVID happened, you know?
[76:09] >> Well, COVID was happening then.
[76:11] >> It's still happening, yeah.
[76:13] >> [laughter]
[76:13] >> Uh I do want the Jeep still. Filippo, do
[76:16] you think I should pursue that?
[76:17] >> Absolutely not under any circumstances
[76:20] should you, but I suspect you should at
[76:22] least email.
[76:22] >> I'm going to have 10 cars here in just a
[76:24] second.
[76:25] >> And you haven't seen some number of
[76:27] them.
[76:28] >> Uh you've forgotten what it's like to
[76:30] have that many. I feel like you
[76:32] specifically said you didn't want You
[76:33] wanted to pair down and get rid of cars
[76:35] and have a more simple life.
[76:36] >> a long time, it's funny. The people on
[76:38] the internet complain about this. Doug
[76:40] said he was off cars, now he's buying
[76:41] these cars. Remember, I was off cars for
[76:42] 3 years and and I did I was really
[76:44] committed to that and I did pair way way
[76:46] way way down. And we got down to six, I
[76:48] think, at one point. And now we're back
[76:51] up to 10.
[76:52] What are you typing, Felipe? Are you
[76:53] looking up the Gilmore Girls?
[76:54] >> Can you No. Can you
[76:57] remind us of the 10 cars? Can you list
[76:58] them?
[76:59] Can you Can you keep track of all of
[77:01] them?
[77:01] >> Yeah, okay. You You do it.
[77:04] >> [clears throat]
[77:04] >> Are they all public? I've been gone for
[77:06] a couple weeks.
[77:06] >> Uh they're all public except the 10th
[77:09] one I haven't bought yet and haven't
[77:10] really committed to yet.
[77:11] >> not counting that in my mind cuz I think
[77:13] I'll have them all at the same time.
[77:15] >> You have a Carrera GT. You have a Ford
[77:17] GT. You have the Countach. You have the
[77:19] 911 Turbo.
[77:20] >> Yeah.
[77:21] >> Uh you have the the G Cabriolet still.
[77:23] >> Yeah.
[77:24] >> You have the Supra. You have the 210.
[77:26] The MG. You have the 213.
[77:29] Uh you have the Sequoia.
[77:31] >> Yeah.
[77:32] >> And then the mystery 10th car that I'm
[77:34] going to get
[77:35] pretty soon.
[77:36] >> That's 10.
[77:37] >> That's a problem.
[77:38] >> Yeah, it's a problem, but you got like
[77:39] six dude.
[77:40] >> So, come on. Come on. Come on.
[77:42] >> You got like at least six.
[77:44] >> Four.
[77:45] >> You know, Cannon keeps it simple.
[77:47] >> I always have.
[77:48] >> it simple.
[77:49] >> I always have. Although, now I have
[77:50] customer cars that are coming, which is
[77:51] a whole other thing.
[77:52] >> Yes.
[77:52] >> So, which is very cool and very
[77:53] exciting.
[77:54] >> and he keeps it simple.
[77:56] >> Simple. I think that's a good note to
[77:58] end on.
[77:59] >> That's the end of our podcast today.
[78:00] Cannon, do you have any final parting
[78:02] thoughts for us?
[78:03] >> Well, I'm just very happy that Felipe is
[78:05] back, although not back. He's
[78:07] He He's back, but not here.
[78:09] >> I saw you in person, Cannon.
[78:11] >> We We did have dinner the other night.
[78:12] He It was lovely and I'm I'm probably
[78:14] lying.
[78:14] >> Porsche studio ready to wax poetic about
[78:17] the difference between the 964 Speedster
[78:20] and the 9
[78:22] >> Just so people know, if anybody is is
[78:25] here up in New England, we have a great
[78:27] event where you're Saturday tomorrow if
[78:29] you're listening to this when it comes
[78:30] out at the Larz Anderson
[78:32] >> right?
[78:32] >> Uh all the spots for cars are taken, but
[78:34] we We still space for spectators, so
[78:36] come on by.
[78:37] >> Hey, what kind of green car come say hi
[78:39] to me and tell me that you you you
[78:41] >> What cars you got? You got anything
[78:42] really good?
[78:43] >> Honestly, yes. It's absolutely wild. I
[78:46] don't have it in front of me, but it
[78:47] it's a wild wild wild list of of cars.
[78:50] >> Do you have
[78:51] >> is no joke. [clears throat] It's a that
[78:52] that they great facility and like and
[78:54] like great people there, but also like
[78:55] this is like you really show up in New
[78:57] England.
[78:58] >> We we we we have a blue TVR Speed 8,
[78:59] yeah, which is exciting, but we also
[79:01] have a Project 8
[79:02] >> Oh my god, is that for sale?
[79:03] >> and a Project 7 and another Project 8.
[79:06] >> What color is the Project 8 and is it
[79:07] cat or cat or cat deleted?
[79:09] >> I will tell you on Saturday.
[79:10] >> I'm dead serious. I want you to talk to
[79:12] that person. I'm
[79:14] not screwing with you. I'm interested.
[79:15] Also, do you do you have a Hyundai
[79:17] Scoupe?
[79:18] >> I haven't looked I I'll be honest, this
[79:21] is the one time that I did not make the
[79:23] like breakout of
[79:25] >> Okay, well control F for them on the
[79:26] list for Scoupe. It's S C O U P E.
[79:30] >> I'm looking. I'm looking.
[79:31] >> It's not Scoupe like an ice cream. Now,
[79:33] by the way, British viewers are going to
[79:34] be watching and saying it's S C O U P E.
[79:36] No, no. That's what they market it as in
[79:38] Europe. In the States, it was called the
[79:40] Scoupe, spelled the same. I swear to
[79:42] god. Anyway, are there any?
[79:44] >> [laughter]
[79:44] >> Uh I I don't see any on this sheet.
[79:47] >> Another bad event from Glarus Anderson.
[79:51] >> [laughter]
[79:54] >> All right, I hope to see a lot of you at
[79:55] that event though.
[79:56] >> Glarus Anderson, go see Filippo. If you
[79:58] have the Project 8 and you're going for
[80:00] god's sake, I want to buy it if it's
[80:02] bright blue and it has a cat on the
[80:03] side.
[80:04] >> And then and then Glarus had 11 cars.
[80:07] >> If it's cat delete low wing like why not
[80:10] just get a regular XE, dude?
[80:12] >> [laughter]
[80:14] >> Goodbye.
[80:15] >> Pleasure.
[80:16] >> Goodbye.
[80:37] >> Mhm.