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# Slate Price Revealed, Koenigsegg Jesko Records, Honda Element Returns, and More! THIS CAR POD! EP117

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## Summary

This episode of the car podcast covers a range of automotive news, including the pricing reveal of the Slate EV pickup, a Koenigsegg Jesko quarter-mile record, the return of the Honda Element, and discussions on Lucid's layoffs and Toyota Tundra engine issues. The hosts also share travel experiences and market analysis, emphasizing the value of simple vehicles and the importance of driving special cars.

### Key Points

- **Slate EV Pricing Revealed** [01:00] — The Slate pickup starts at $25,000 before destination, with a 200-mile range, crank windows, no stereo, and a highly customizable design. The squareback SUV adds $5,000, fastback $32,000.
- **Tata Nano Analogy** [03:58] — The hosts compare Slate to the Tata Nano, a low-cost car that failed because consumers didn't want bare-bones vehicles. They predict Slate may struggle similarly.
- **Lucid Layoffs** [15:48] — Lucid is cutting an additional 18% of its workforce after a 12% layoff in February, aiming to save $158 million annually. Also lost COO Mark Winterhoff.
- **Toyota Tundra Engine Explosions** [22:09] — Toyota Tundra turbov6 engines are experiencing failures. Hybrids are not recalled because they can still drive on electric power to safety, a controversial technicality.
- **Koenigsegg Jesko Quarter-Mile Record** [27:59] — The Jesko set a production car record, completing the quarter mile in 8.54 seconds at 189.76 mph, all while the driver held a phone with one hand.
- **Honda Element Returning in 2029** [39:18] — Honda plans to bring back the Element as a boxy, Bronco Sport-sized vehicle. The hosts hope for a convertible version, but expect a watered-down design.
- **E92 M3 Sells for $97,500** [53:26] — A one-owner 17,000-mile frozen silver E92 M3 with manual transmission sold for $97,500, reflecting the rising value of pre-hybrid, naturally aspirated V8s.
- **Cheap Alternatives to Supercars** [63:36] — The hosts discuss cars like the Lotus Esprit V8 as a budget alternative to the Countach, and the Audi R8 as an alternative to the Ford GT. No cheap substitute exists for the Carrera GT.

### Conclusion

The podcast highlights a market shift towards valuing analog, pre-hybrid performance cars, while new EV startups like Slate may struggle against established competitors. The hosts encourage driving and enjoying special cars despite market trends.

## Transcript

Hello and welcome to this car pod.
>> Filippo.
>> We This is a big one, folks. We're we're
at No one is local. Kennan, I guess is,
I don't know. But Filippo appears to be
in some sort of Porsche enthusiast
studio.
>> it. It's It's who we are now.
>> Between the
You got like an Eames chair, a 964 and
one of those speaker things. This person
has a watch collection that would that
would You know what? Am I right, Kennan?
>> This person is wearing a Marantz t-shirt
like they just love like
>> [laughter]
>> I love coffee.
>> The studio you're sitting in is
currently
uh is currently
uh touching his man bun while discussing
deviated stitching options with his
Porsche enthusiast friends.
>> There are a couple Porsches in this
garage.
>> Tasteful.
That's unfortunate. All right. Uh we got
a lot to cover today. Let's start with
uh our news stories. Uh go ahead,
Kennan.
>> What you got?
>> Oh, it's the first new story. It's
notable because pricing has been
revealed for the Slate vehicles.
Do you want to guess what the starting
price is?
>> It's like 25, right?
>> Yeah, 25 grand without destination. We
don't know the destination pricing yet.
Is what the pickup truck is Just as a
quick reminder of of specs. Uh these
have like 200-ish
uh mile range. They start out as a
pickup truck. It's about It's like a
It's somewhere
uh It's like a little bit longer than a
GTI or a Volkswagen Golf in length. It's
a pretty small truck. And as a base
price,
uh rear-wheel drive, 200-ish miles of
electric range, uh EV only,
crank windows, no stereo, etc.
>> I'm just going to tell you right now
this isn't going to sell.
>> So, that's the issue, right? So, they
also have other body styles. And the way
their entire thing is that it's very
customizable. So, if you want a color,
if you don't want it to be raw metal, uh
you need to you need to get a wrap. The
wrap starts at $500 plus install. Uh you
can also add in like speaker grills and
different
>> Can I just Can I just stereo after this?
>> The Maverick starts at 27.
>> It It's gone up a little bit. It's like
29 something.
>> I'm looking a 26 Maverick starts at
27,145 without destination. And that's
apples to apples cuz we don't know
destination on this slate thing.
Maverick's 27. Maverick has four doors.
Uh it paint It has paint.
>> Yep. They paint the Maverick right there
for you.
>> Yeah. Has a stereo.
>> They do the They do the painting right
there for you.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and the nation is kind of turned on
EVs in general. And obviously now people
are going to watch this, the internet
people.
NO WAY, THIS IS SO CHEAP truck little
truck. This is what everybody wants.
Nah.
>> Also you can you can add a squareback
SUV and a fastback SUV.
Those are the squareback coupe.
>> Yeah, the squareback is 5,000 additional
dollars. So
>> You're at 30 pre-destination.
>> The fastback is 32 pre-destination.
>> Ooh.
>> I
>> [laughter]
>> It is not competitive. Now I think
they're hoping
>> Does that come with a
>> Yes, it does. It comes with a three-seat
bench. It also
>> is a base What is What other stuff does
a base slate not have? It only has two
airbags?
>> No, no, no. Adding the SUV adds two
airbags.
>> What other stuff does a base slate not
have?
>> It doesn't have a stereo. It doesn't
have a key fob as far as I can tell. Uh
it doesn't have like a center armrest.
It doesn't have a door like a padded
armrest. There's a lot of things that
you can add and you can customize.
Uh there
doesn't have like an infotainment
screen. There's a spot for your phone.
It's very, very, very bare-bones. And
they uh if you read like their like
engineering interviews and the the few
folks have driven it and talked to to
the the their teams so that Topia
included. And if you read their reviews
their engineers are very proud of the
fact that this is a very simple truck.
Like the frame is not uh like a
single cast. It's a bunch of welds
together. Every kind of component is
really really simple.
>> remember Do you remember how the Tata
Nano was going to change India?
>> For $7,000, yeah.
>> This is 20 years ago. Tata came out with
this little car called the Nano that it
was it was like seven grand new and it
was going to change India.
And
and what happened was no one bought it.
>> [laughter]
>> Now, I've also I also remember some
modular cars where you can where you can
customize them. Kenan, remember the Z1?
>> Oh, of course. Yeah, the idea was that
if you could do it and you change every
panel on the car yourself in essence and
totally change the color of the car. And
guess what?
No one did that. I think that it was No
one ever did it. I think the only people
I know that actually documented it like
wheeler dealers did it. And it they it
was supposed to be fast. Took them like
a week.
>> Took them like multiple days with like
trained mechanics in a shop.
Um the Smart car was the same way
initially, believe it or not. And Oh,
Flippo's gone. You know, it's fine. Uh
the SMART CAR
>> [laughter]
[gasps]
>> AND UH AND THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER. NO
ONE really ever bothered to change the
color and for the second generation, the
color changing situation was gone.
Kenan,
well, given that you're not the Slate
Truck consumer, tell us what your
thoughts are on um
simple vehicles.
>> Well, I do like a simple vehicle despite
being someone who owns only complex
vehicles. Um but I do think that like
I liked the idea of it when it came out
and it made sense in that context, but
we all knew they just weren't going to
hit their target. So, what I think they
need to
>> do is release another Wes Anderson style
Q&A session with the CEO cuz that really
really got us where we needed [laughter]
to go with it last time.
>> She's out. She's out.
>> That's tough. Um but I don't I don't
know. I mean like I I just Why would you
get this? Like it just doesn't it
doesn't make sense economically. I don't
think there's a lot of demand for it in
the US. I mean, I guess we order on
Amazon Prime and it shows up the next
day. That's nice, but I don't know.
>> Right. You know what problem I have also
is
ultimately EVs are for rich people. Like
the infrastructure required and the
lifestyle situation required to have an
EV right now
makes them kind of a rich person car.
It's just sort of the reality. You got
to have a house, you got to have a
charger. Like yes, you can charge in
public. There are a lot of people who do
it with Model 3s, but in general it's
easier if you have more money to have an
EV, which is why most EVs have been
shooting for high-end segments. And this
truck is a
tended to appeal to people who are like
at the at the kind of lower end
entry-level of pickup segment, but it's
like 25 grand for the truck, but then
you also have to figure out your charge
situation and you can't be driving more
than 200 miles, you know, between
charges, which is not a significant
distance
or 100 when it gets cold. It's just uh
it'll be interesting and I know there's
going to be a thousand people replying
to this and being like
>> THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. We'll see.
I have a suspicion we'll we'll we'll
see.
>> Yeah, I I I sort of feel the same way
about it. I'm excited to see it. I'm
very excited for you to review it, um
but nonetheless it's just
just seems like a tough sell in a lot of
regards.
>> Filippo, we kept going.
Um
>> I'm glad you did.
>> Well, Filippo [laughter] was there. He's
seen it. He was at the launch event. He
got a tattoo.
>> Filippo, I I know that I know that
you're hanging out uh with your Porsche
enthusiasts right now discussing 997.2
wheel options. Oh, the Carrera Classics.
But can you tell us you agree this
little thing's going to fail, yeah?
>> I
I think their hope is that there's like
a cuteness, novelty, personalization.
That doesn't last. I agree. So, like
they maybe get a few reservations, a few
sales but
it's not competitive.
>> I think they're going to have a great
first model year when you have a lot of
pent-up demand interested in this little
cool interesting new exciting truck. I
think they're going to have one great
first model year, like a lot of cars
that that primarily sell based on their
sort of wow interesting factor. And then
like like the Santa Cruz, honestly. And
then after that, you're going to be
stuck trying to find people who are
going to be hard to find.
>> I'm not even sure it'll be that
successful the first year. Like the Fiat
500e that you reviewed, it's a new
generation, it's a low-range electric,
it's cute, it has like the like it makes
weird noises, it plays like Ode to Joy
or something.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Something like that. That's cute, that's
funky. It's not a practical fit in the
market, it's not competitive, and that's
going to be true for this light, too.
>> No.
>> Right. You would rather have a Maverick,
Filippo?
>> Yeah, 100%.
>> Would you rather have
>> asked me, and I've heavily recommended a
Maverick.
>> Would you rather have a
a used Duramax heavy-duty?
>> I think that that's a different
clientele.
>> [laughter]
>> You know, I actually It's interesting
that you say that because I actually
think a big a big competitor to this
truck will actually be used pickup
trucks.
>> Yeah, but not a huge a used Duramax.
>> No, not a Duramax.
But I do think that there there going to
be a lot of people who are comparing
this because ultimately it's a it's a
price-conscious clientele. There're
going to be a lot of people who And now
there are a lot more mid-size and small
trucks in the US market between Ranger
and Colorado and Canyon and Maverick and
Santa Cruz. And there're going to be a
lot of people who are comparing it to
all of those trucks as a used product.
And you tell me how it this is better
than a 3-year-old Frontier.
>> It's not.
>> The only way that that I think it could
have some success is if they lean really
heavily into the commercial market. If
you're a florist and you can make this
really tailored to your brand and it's
cheap enough, maybe.
>> Right, but like that's such a niche.
>> Every florist I know has a Maverick.
>> Or a Transit They all have Ford Transit
Connects.
>> Transit Connect, yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> All right, move on to our next news
story. We got our first news story, car
vehicle fails, startup vehicle fails.
Oh, speaking of startup vehicles that
failed, did you see this, Filippo?
>> Of course. The Honda Element is coming
back in 2029.
>> Make it a convertible. Make it a
convertible.
>> a convertible originally. know,
>> everybody wants convertibles now. The
Bronco wasn't a convertible originally
and look at us now.
>> Had a top that came off.
>> Yeah, but now it just you
And in the past you had to like you and
four of your closest friends like over a
[laughter] couple of cold ones had to
pull the thing off. And now look at us.
The Element will be so much better if
it's a convertible. Please, please there
is a there is a lack of convertible SUVs
on the market today.
>> know why, Doug? Cuz the market has
spoken and then it spoken again and then
it has spoken again and then it has
spoken again and then it has spoken
again and then it has spoken again.
>> Excuse me, do you know how many sales
Wranglers they sold last year?
[laughter] Are you crazy?
167,000
I don't think the Element is going to be
priced like that. They sold 167,000
Jeep Wranglers last year. 167.
Ford sold 146,000
full-size Broncos last year. That's
320,000
sales of convertible SUVs last year. And
Toyota sits here and they're like, "Oh,
THE FOUR THE BACK WINDOW goes down."
>> That's cool, which we all love.
Regardless, the the Honda Element is
going to come back.
Our My understanding is that it's going
to be a relatively boxy vehicle and it's
going to be Bronco Sport size and a
Bronco Sport competitor. So like a more
utilitarian cutie square HR-V CR-V and
that.
>> It is interesting that you have an
understanding. Do you have an
understanding about the roof situation?
>> Yeah,
no.
And by the way, we're not going to talk
about the ability to hose it down
because every Honda Element fan knows
that that is a recipe for disaster.
>> No, no, you just hose it down.
If so some mold ends up in the car, who
cares?
>> [clears throat]
>> We're going to have this debate in the
Element forums today.
>> If mold ends up in the car, Kennan, you
know what you do? You hose down the
mold.
Just keep hosing.
>> [laughter]
>> It's no problem.
>> More more more water pressure. I'm
actually very excited about this. I love
the original Honda Element. I thought
they were really cool cars back then. So
I I makes sense to bring it back now.
Like I think it fits like it fits a lot
of needs and maybe this one you can
actually hose it down. Maybe they'll
actually go the distance.
>> I think the Element never should have
gone out of production. And I understand
sort of why it did, but I think that if
they had committed to it a little bit
more, it actually probably could have
been the boxy thing had kind of died.
There was that Scion and all that, but I
think that like a little bit of an
alteration and it could have been like
an Outback Sport Impreza Outback Sport.
What is that called? The Crosstrek
competitor. Like I really I think it
could have like lived in that space.
Yeah, it could have been something like
that.
>> I do have an important question, which
is with all respect to our friends at
Honda, are you ready to be disappointed?
>> Oh, wow. You think it's going to be bad?
>> No, the Passport's not a bad vehicle,
but you're you're going to have these
ambitions to what it is.
>> Yeah, that's you're so right. They won't
commit to like make they like they like
take an idea and then water down the
idea to the point where it's really a
disappointment. It's going to be a like
a squared-off HRV is my guess.
With some cladding.
>> You're probably right.
>> Yeah, you're right.
>> But I I'm pretty [laughter] sure the
previous one was competitive.
>> The previous one had dual sunroofs. If
they do a convertible, Filippo will buy
it.
>> Absolutely not.
If they do a convertible, I will have a
conversation about buying it. I'll tell
you what, Honda, I'll make you this
promise. If you do a convertible
Element, it will be our lead news story
on the pod the week you announce it.
You'll get you'll reach a massive
audience.
>> [laughter]
>> Yep. This is my promise to you.
>> It is a massive audience though, to be
fair. Was this Was this car Was this car
built in Ohio?
>> The Element? I don't know the answer
that.
>> I don't know the answer to that. I feel
like it was, but I might very well I'm
likely wrong with it.
>> Was it? Okay.
>> East Liberty.
>> Yeah.
>> Shut up.
>> Um all right, there needs to be a
convertible 4Runner. Next news story.
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>> Not a full commitment for them. It It is
instead that Lucid is cutting an
additional 18% of their US work
workforce.
Uh
saving about 160 158 million dollars
annualized. Uh they've also lost uh
their chief operating officer, Mark
Winterhoff, uh effective immediately.
They're not replacing him.
Um
>> Yeah, how much is that saving?
>> How much of the 158 mil is is saved by
not replacing Winterhoff?
>> It's not zero.
>> [laughter]
>> They had about 9,000 employees as of
last year. They did 12% layoff in
February, an additional 18% now. They
really are trying to stop burning quite
as much cash uh as they have been. They
weren't able to sell very many Gravity's
due to a to a supplier issue. They
weren't able to build very many. They
now will have a
>> Yeah, that's why they couldn't sell
them.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it didn't help.
>> Layoffs are sad, and I always feel sad
when there are layoffs cuz I know how
that affects people, and it's real.
Lucid's product strategy has been
interesting,
to put it mildly. And I think that um we
were just talking in our group text the
other day about how insane it is in the
day of SUVs that all these automakers
decided that they would launch
sedans as their first EV. Porsche made
the mistake, Lucid made the mistake.
Various others did, too. But then to
follow up the sedan with a minivan.
>> I I'm into it. I love the Gravity.
>> The problem is
>> I've heard some issues.
>> The problem is you're a contrarian, and
most people when faced with a $125,000
minivan or a Rivian, they're not
choosing the the minivan.
>> is that it's not $125,000.
>> Yeah, yeah, that's right. The
transaction price is 41 7.
>> by the way, that's why all the layoffs
are happening.
>> [laughter]
>> Yep.
A couple of other pieces of news from
Lucid, they are still working on their
mid-size crossover that should be
revealed soon. I think that one's for
the urban moms or whatever they call it.
>> not look like [clears throat] the
Gravity. It won't. Lucid Lucid
make it boxy.
>> They will they will absolutely not make
it boxy.
>> The Kia Telluride should tell you
everything you need to know. The funny
thing is, I've been doing this make it
boxy tangent for years, and some
automakers have sort of come up with a
high and mighty attitude about it. Like,
we're not going to go down the G Wagon
road, we're going to make the XM. We're
going to make the Gravity. Well, when
you don't make it boxy, you are rewarded
with bad sales. So, that's your choice,
I guess. If you want to do minivans and
and and jelly bean sedans, it's it's
what you're doing.
>> Yep. Also, by the way, very sad news for
anybody expecting their Gravity, they
eliminated their second shift of
production at their Arizona facility.
>> No one is expecting a Gravity. You can
go to any Lucid retailer at the at your
local shopping mall and order one, and
it'll be there tomorrow. It's currently
sitting in a field in a in a in a bad
neighborhood in your town.
>> Yeah. About [laughter] a month ago they
About a month ago they they suspended
all guidance for the year cuz they they
weren't sure how many cars they'll sell
because they have elevated inventory.
>> [laughter]
>> So, I asked for some guidance.
Make it boxy.
>> to be pretty. You know, the moment I
>> saw that picture of that Gravity, I was
like, "Oh my god, they're going to lay
off 30% of their workforce, including
Winterhoff." So, I'm gone.
>> Yeah, it's tough. They did have a new
CEO earlier this year,
so we know poly, and now they may make
some turnaround changes, or they may
fail to.
>> Can I make a suggestion?
Gas engined
>> [laughter]
>> boxy SUV.
>> I'm a little frustrated
>> by Lucid's failures here because
by all accounts, they have the most
advanced, impressive motor technology.
Their motors are notably lighter than
every other
EV manufacturer. I think they have great
packaging. I think they have great
interior design and some other component
that like I they truly have done a
beautiful job building
building cars.
>> inside.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh
>> Unfortunately, they've made poor product
line decisions and have had a lot of
reliability issues that make it tough to
recommend.
>> Here's a here's a theory I'm going to
posit for you, Filippo. The Lucid
Gravity is the Lincoln Town Car of our
generation.
>> Isn't the Lucid Air the Lincoln Town Car
of our generation?
>> No, the Lucid Air would be the MK
>> Yes, I'm sorry, the Air. The Air is the
Town Car. The Gravity is the MKT. You're
right.
>> I've never seen a young Air driver.
>> Yeah, and also it just looks like that.
It's American-built. It's like a big
boat.
>> way.
I kind of want one. And it has 500 miles
of range, which no other EV has still.
>> The other day, someone asked me if they
should get a Lucid Air. And I said,
"Look, they're amazing. And the used
ones are cheap. And they're incredible.
But they're going to be it's going to
probably cause some problems. You're
going to have some issues."
>> Yeah.
>> Um okay, Toyota should make a
convertible 4Runner. Next news story,
please.
All right. This is
>> I keep adding to the stories, I
apologize, but this is my very favorite
story of the week.
>> Oh boy, okay.
>> Truly.
All right.
>> Jon wasn't here to cull his dumb stories
this week.
>> I know. It's the best. I have so much
freedom.
>> even know I can't even see the picture,
but it looks like a manufacturing
situation, which makes me nervous.
>> You will love this story, too. All
right, so we've talked in the past about
how both Toyota and Nissan are shipping
cars that are made in America to be sold
now in Japan. This is
the Tundra, the Highlander, the Murano,
among others. Part of this is driven by
the agreement that that the Japanese and
the US government came to related to
tariffs, opened the door for more
imports from the more exports from the
US to Japan.
But,
automakers that are doing this are
running into an issue, which is that the
quality standards that they build
vehicles to for the US market are a
little below the quality standards that
the Japanese market is used to.
>> It This this has a little more nuance to
it though. It's like paint finishes have
less are a little bit different. Like
not because the quality is different
because the workers are bad, it's
because like the actual design and
creation of the car has a different
focus.
>> programmed.
>> The the notice on Muranos when they're
sold in Japan say this vehicle is
manufactured specifications intended for
overseas markets and vehicle the SUV the
Murano may have dust particles in the
paint, traces of sealant residue, or
misaligned or uneven panel and gaps.
But, they don't affect the vehicle's
functionality, which may be true.
>> Well, we all accept that we've all come
to expect that from Nissan. It's just
that the Japanese haven't yet. But, they
will.
>> [laughter]
>> Tundra or to to Toyota on the Tundra
Highlander also say that they may notice
thin paint, color variations, polishing
marks, and dents.
>> Have they Have they told the Japanese
that their Tundra engines could explode?
>> I think they've kept that one a secret.
>> I'm going to tell you a story Filippo
that's going to rock your world and I
want to cover this in greater detail
when we get on to uh when I get back.
But, this is a real story. The Tundra
the engines are exploding left and
right. It's a real problem with the
turbo V6, okay?
>> Yeah.
>> Exploding engines exploding engines, but
they're recalling them.
>> Yeah.
>> And they're they're putting in new
motors on some of but
>> My understanding is those new motors
also explode.
>> Everything's exploding, but the hybrids
aren't affected and I I finally
discovered why the hybrids aren't
affected. Are you aware of why?
>> Um I'm going to you know, I can't
explain.
>> Same powertrain, so how could it not be
affected?
>> Atkinson cycle.
>> The answer is hybrids aren't affected by
the recall because the recall is
government mandated and the when the gas
motor blows, the cars can stop driving
and become dangerous and a hazard.
However, when the gas motor blows in the
hybrid, and it does, with the same
frequency as the gas-powered cars, the
hybrid powertrain can is is sufficient
to drive you to a safe place. This is
what Toyota has convinced their
regulator, it's the the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration.
Uh it's it's enough to drive you to your
to a safe place, and so the hybrid
doesn't need a safety recall because
technically it isn't a safety issue.
Yeah.
>> You're joking.
>> I own one of these cars, and I'm going
to tell you something. If my gas engine
blows, the safety issue will be to
Toyota and their employees.
>> [laughter]
>> From me. Doug is not threatening
violence. I want to be very clear, HE IS
NOT
>> I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO PLANO. I'm not
going to do anything like that.
>> Uh but I will tell caution people not to
buy one of these vehicles, which I am
now.
>> I I I thought that they had a lower
incidence rate. Is that not true?
>> Oh, yeah, yeah, very lower incidence.
>> That's unfortunate.
>> Yeah.
>> Suburban hell.
>> What I find unfortunate is a
manufacturer not standing behind his
product. My car is $85,000. The hybrid
twin turbo V6s are the most expensive
ones in their lineup. And these are
customers that will never buy a Toyota
again.
>> [laughter]
>> I get so much crap for not buying a
Tahoe already. I don't have a V8, I'm
driving around in a six-cylinder, and I
sit here and I say, "The six-cylinder is
so great." And it is, it's an amazing
powertrain, right up until it blows and
I have to use the hybrid engine to
safely get my Get off the road.
[laughter]
>> Oh, what a discovery.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's bad.
>> That's rough.
>> It looks that way, and the engine could
blow up. That's a tough existence for
you.
>> I waved to another TRD Pro Sequoia owner
yesterday.
>> Oh, what was it a salute, or was it an
actual just What did you pull the gun
out of the gun safe in the middle of the
day?
>> Kenny. I waved, but unfortunately he was
he
He was busy doing Trump pro-Trump chance
while he was driving and see me.
>> [laughter]
>> Let's make
>> Make America great again.
>> RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD.
ANYWAY, he was doing that then his
engine blew. But fortunately, he had the
ability with his hyper powertrain
[laughter]
to safely steer off the road.
>> My goodness.
>> Yeah, anyway, we're going to talk about
this a lot more on many more podcasts.
And and my greatest hope is that it
happens to me in when I'm in San Diego.
Uh in which case I will be relentless in
my fury toward Toyota. Do you agree,
Filippo?
>> Imagine if it happens to you not in San
Diego.
>> I think it's more likely considering
when the car is in San Diego, it doesn't
move until it goes back to the East
Coast.
>> If that if that happens to me when I'm
on the in the middle of the country, I
the wrath that I will create for Toyota
cannot even be explained
with rational work.
>> I'm excited for for Friday at 7:30 a.m.
Pacific time, 30 minutes after this
podcast goes live, for you to get the
email from Toyota corporate saying
>> I think that Toyota is probably
embarrassed. Like I'm I'm going to reach
out to their PR people for comment on
this. Once Again, I want to cover this
in greater detail than the 8 minutes
devoted [laughter] to your warranty. I
want to devote 30 minutes to it. But
like the PR people know that this is
indefensible. So I am curious what they
would say.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah.
You're getting a recall notice tomorrow.
>> Silly.
>> Doug is getting a one-off recall.
>> It'll be a handwritten one just for him.
But yes.
>> Well, fine, do that. But let's the the
recalled powertrains, are they working
any better?
>> I'm not convinced.
>> You know what I want? I want them to
recall my my Sequoia hybrid and put in
the 2UZ 4.7 L V8
uh from the Tundra and GX470.
>> God, that'd be such a slow vehicle.
>> Fine.
Slow. We're not trying to go fast here,
Filippo. We're trying to be reliable.
>> Good point. Um all right, let's move on
to the pinnacle reliability, the
Maserati
>> Wait, wait, before we move on, Toyota
should make a convertible 4Runner. All
right next.
>> Sorry, I
>> [laughter]
>> I jumped the gun there. Sorry.
>> Two pieces of news on the Maserati
front. I'm keeping this to under a
minute. All of their lineup has been
refreshed with a new corporate face.
Uh the Gran Turismo has a little bit
more power than it did before, like 40
more horsepower than it did before.
There's going to be a new Gran Turismo
in '27. And and
uh the Stellantis CEO said in a meeting
with Italian lawmakers this week that
they are in active conversation with two
partners
uh to work with Maserati.
Take that where as you will. You could
take that to mean even though Maserati's
PR team has has denied this, that
they're looking at acquisition. They
could be looking at a platform sharing,
etc. But this is Stellantis, which owns
about half the brands in the world. So,
I don't know what they'd be doing there.
So, Maserati will have some news
soon.
>> Well,
great. Uh
Toyota should make a convertible
4Runner. Give us our next uh slide,
please. What's this?
>> Uh yes, the Koenigsegg Yesko. Now, Doug,
you live life a quarter mile at a time,
if I recall. You love your quarter mile
thing. So, this I wanted to share some
stats with you.
>> Jesko, baby.
>> That's That's right. So, the Yesko
recently set a very interesting record.
It was the first production car to break
186 mph in the quarter mile. That means
And so, that means it did a It does the
quarter mile in 8.3 seconds. Now, Doug,
you've done a lot of quarter miles. Let
that number sink in for a moment about
how fast that is.
>> No, I mean, I I've never been in a car
that does a quarter that fast. I used to
do a lot of quarter mile drag racing.
It's hard to imagine.
>> Right. Yeah.
>> I mean, the the Plaid the Plaid Pride
does that close to that. And and I've
never done a full quarter, and it's it's
probably insane.
>> Right. So, I So, to be specific, it it
surpassed 300 km/h. So, the actual speed
it was clocked at was 189.76
mph.
>> That means 190
mph in the quarter. In the quarter.
>> Yeah, that's crazy.
But my favorite part about this story,
like that that's one thing and very
admirable. But there's footage of this
that they recorded. And, you know, Doug,
you you've been there on the line
setting the court, you know, you're
focused, you're holding the steering
wheel nice and tight, you know, pointing
it straight.
This guy sets the quarter mile the
driver he set the quarter mile holding a
phone. He did it one-handed recording
with a phone. Which is mind-blowing to
me. He was doing 190 miles an hour
one-handed.
>> official Koenigsegg this quarter mile
time?
>> This is this this is what they have
published. Quarter mile 8.54 seconds and
it was verified.
>> It's also incredibly impressive given
that it's rear-wheel drive. It's not
electric. It's not hybrid either.
That's wild.
>> Yeah, it's an insane figure.
>> Is that true? I don't know anything
about this car.
>> Yeah, but it is all everything I said
there is accurate as most of the things
that I said in this podcast generally
tend [laughter] to be.
I will say that their 0 to 60 time,
which is 2.35 seconds according to this
book,
is not the fastest 0 to 60, but it must
just like the first car 60 miles per
hour must be the slowest in that quarter
mile.
>> There's a launch problem because it's
not four-wheel drive and it's not
>> Rear-wheel drive and not hybrid.
>> Yeah. But then it then it seems to catch
up okay. What does a ZR1 X do in the
quarter?
>> Nine something.
>> Nines, that's so slow. No, 8.675 at 160.
What does this thing do again, Kenan?
>> Uh so, they were claimed that they
claimed that it took 8.54 is what they
were clocked at for the quarter.
>> interesting because the trap speed tells
you why the Koenigsegg is so much
faster. The ZR1 X hits 160 at 8.675, but
the Koenigsegg was going 190, which
tells you just how quickly it is
accelerating still as it is
accelerating. It is getting so so so
much faster. So, it's got this
incredible high-speed thing that just
happens incredibly fast. Uh that's
pretty wild.
>> Yeah, that was yeah.
>> the ZR1 X
the most impressive supercar, like it's
not that expensive for the performance
it puts out. It's faster
Jason Cammisa, a friend of a friend of
Hagerty,
uh did a did a drag race with the new
uh Camarillo, cool other cars. The 01 X
blows by all of those cars in the
quarter mile. And they're 60 and a half
a ton power for the same price, less?
>> Wouldn't you consider one if there was a
Stradale version?
>> A 01 X Stradale? That'd be weird.
>> You wouldn't consider one, Fork Cannon?
>> I'll consider anything, but I'm not
going to buy it, so that's how that
goes.
>> really want an E-Ray {slash} Grand Sport
X.
>> Would you get an E-Ray Stradale?
>> I I does not change my I would actually,
yeah. I would get an E-Ray Stradale.
>> Yeah. There we go.
There we go.
>> I think that they would call it E-Ray
Oh my goodness. What is the Chevrolet
off-road? 480 84.
>> That's GM's these. That's GM's Z71
Trailboss.
>> E-Ray High Country.
>> E-Ray Trailboss.
>> An E-Ray Trailboss I would 100%
consider.
>> Okay. Okay. We're having some This is a
real laugh.
>> if it was also a convertible 4Runner, I
would do that, too.
>> Yeah, Toyota should make a convertible
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>> More Koenigsegg news.
So, So, recently um at Goodwood,
Koenigsegg set another record. Not a 0
to 60, but they did it with a LEGO car.
So, they they had a a version of the
Sedoran Spear built completely out of
LEGOs, and it set a new record going up
Goodwood Hill for a LEGO vehicle, which
is 69 mph. Nice.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What? They drove a LEGO car? What is a
Sedoran Spear? What the hell is that?
>> That's another Koenigsegg creation. But,
the the whole point with this is
Koenigsegg paired paired up with LEGO
because they're releasing another LEGO
kit like in their supercar thing. And to
promote that, they wanted to do
something special. So, they built a
life-size model of this thing completely
out of LEGO. 327,000
pieces, and it weighs 4,000
>> out of LEGO? How does it have an engine?
The engine's not out of LEGO.
>> The engine Okay, not completely out of
LEGO, but mostly out of LEGO. But, it
nonetheless like it
it did it it was obviously a publicity
publicity stunt, but
I think it's really cool when they do
stuff like this. And this kind of gets
the kid in me excited.
>> LEGO car?
>> Yeah. They only need to do is put it in
an engine. At Goodwood.
>> What do you mean all you need to do?
It's made out of little blocks that that
stick together really well. They're
well-engineered. It's all friction.
[laughter]
They must be They're I'm looking at the
picture of the car.
>> What do you think bolting something down
is? You're just creating a lot of
friction.
>> Here's my problem with this.
>> In a very different way.
>> Yeah, but you're insane.
>> I'm not fundamentally wrong.
>> No, you are fundamentally wrong. Here's
the problem I have. I'm looking at a
picture of the car. There's brakes,
there's wheels, there's tires. I think
they just took a Koenigsegg like base
plate, to use LEGO terminology, and just
kind of created the body out of LEGOs.
Is the interior LEGO? Is the interior
LEGO?
>> I think it is. My understanding is that
it's LEGO. Also, there are a bunch of
other electric LEGOs like other
mechanical features. Ghost mode works.
So, there are other electric modes.
>> What?
Wait I
got to picture the interior. Oh my God,
it's mostly Lego.
>> [laughter]
>> Can I I I would like to say my favorite
fact about this, which is it is heavier
than the actual car. Yeah, it weighs
over
4,000 lbs. It's very heavy.
What did it weigh, Kenan? 4,000 lbs.
That's what they claimed it weighed,
which is a lot. Almost exactly as much
as a slate.
>> [laughter]
>> And and it's built the same way.
Um modularly.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah. You know, it's interesting though
because one other interesting thing that
I was thinking of this week is that
Toyota should make a convertible uh
4Runner.
Yeah. Next Do you have any more news
stories?
We do one more. Uh yes, we have one
more. So this is this is a Morgan. So
Pininfarina, a design house that we all
love, uh largely has been making
industrial products. Like they make, you
know, Coke dispensers, like this sort of
thing. Well, recently they paired up
with Morgan to release this. They're
calling it the Midsummer Coupe. Uh it's
going to be powered by the B58,
uh the great BMW six-cylinder, uh and
it's going to use the eight-speed ZF
transmission. But I think it looks
absolutely spectacular. And of course,
Morgan, you know, a brand not known for
advancing their design much. They're
kind of keeping their 1930s look. I
think this actually looks wonderful and
I think it's kind of proof that they can
do it. It's like a beautiful
modernization of a Morgan and it kind of
looks like a Bugatti Atlante. There is a
little bit of Atlantique, yeah.
This is something that I think you
should consider, Filippo. Well,
unfortunately Filippo won't be able to
consider it because they're only
building nine of them. So it's
it might [laughter] be a bit bit tough.
He can conceptualize it. We'll get him a
model, maybe. Can I have the Lego
version?
>> [laughter]
>> Well, we'll see. Maybe that'll weigh
4,000 lbs as well. Um but yeah, but not
the Lego version.
No, I said version. I think he said it
with a W cuz he's trying to be like a
Porsche guy. He's trying to be like
German.
>> [laughter]
>> He's sitting in that office and it's
rubbing off on him.
>> But they don't have W's in German, it's
all V's.
>> No, it's the the V and W are switched.
Filippo
>> Oh, that's right. That's one of those.
>> Filippo, are you becoming a Porsche
person by just sitting in the room?
>> Well, you know, he didn't he didn't say
Vinterhof. That's what I was expecting
him to say. He did it. He held back
though. I could tell he was thinking it.
Uh but nonetheless, I think this is
really cool. Of course, we we'll be very
unlikely to ever see one, but it is
prove I I really would love to see
Pininfarina go back and do more cars. I
know we had talked about like with the
Luce, it's like, oh, Pininfarina been
designing it and you specifically Doug
said that like they're not who they used
to be. I don't know. I think if they
still can exercise taste like this, it
would be I'd like to see
>> Okay, look, I'm going to clarify that
comment cuz I I I was being very
diplomatic cuz I think it was in a
Camissa video and I I we got our pod, we
can be a little bit more outgoing.
Pininfarina was purchased by the
Indians Mahindra.
And I think that Ferrari
decided that they did not want their
vehicles This is my theory
slash I've heard other I've heard from
people that it's true. Ferrari did not
want their vehicles designed by I mean,
it Pininfarina is Italian. When it is no
longer Italian,
Ferrari was thinking let's just bring
design in house cuz we are Italian and I
think that's what happened. Not that
it's lost its luster, not that it's not
the same, whatever. I think it was more
that there was a new owner and Ferrari
didn't see that as a credible situation
for them. Now, this is a beautiful car.
Do you know there's a convertible,
Kanan?
>> Yes, yes, I do know there's a
convertible and I think they made 50 of
those. So, it would be a deal more
>> convertibles. Why are they only doing
nine coupes?
>> I don't I don't know. Maybe that's all
the tooling can handle. They couldn't
get enough trees to build the rest of
the car. I don't know.
>> You know what the mistake You know
what's the mistake? The convertible is
called the Midsummer. The coupe should
have been called the Midwinter.
>> Ooh, the Midvinter as Filippo would say.
>> As Filippo, yeah. Well, Filippo wouldn't
even pay pay to it because it's not a
Porsche and he's sitting in this room.
>> it has that's true. It has German heart
but not a Porsche one. That's true.
>> Filippo's over here. I met Andreas
Preuninger once.
That's what he's telling us That's he
posts on it.
>> AP is what we call him.
>> AP, I call him AP.
>> Yeah, me and I I know him.
>> [laughter]
>> All right, we have one last news story
as well.
>> How do we have one more? My god.
>> Shawn added from a literal train. He's
on a train.
>> What did he say?
>> It's very strange.
>> There is currently a trend in China. So,
there's a bunch of cars that have driver
monitoring systems.
>> Yeah, that are making sure that there's
somebody actually paying attention
uh
in order to do that.
>> They have figured out that if you attach
a bobblehead of a face right in front of
the camera, this is especially true in
Teslas, but not only Teslas.
Uh
you can trick the camera into thinking
that you are paying attention and you
are driving and you don't actually need
to be driving.
Or maybe even in the driver's seat for
it to operate.
And that's all we're going to say about
that.
Period.
>> I
>> Huh.
>> But then you also have to drive around
with a bobblehead strapped to the roof
of your car. I mean, it's a ridiculous
looking thing.
>> it I think it's it just like stay It
looks like the perspective makes it look
like you're in the seat even if you're
not. It
>> For driverless for full self-driving.
>> Uh makes you think that you're awake and
in the seat.
It's questionable. Don't do that,
people. Just don't do that.
>> Uh okay, that's great, Filippo. I really
appreciate that that lovely good
reporting information. Time now for the
talk cars segment and in this segment,
the thing that we do is we talk about
cars. I have nothing to say about cars
except that Toyota should make a
convertible 4Runner. Uh but Filippo has
just returned. He was gone for I think a
month.
>> I was gone for 2 weeks, but
>> Yeah, but Filippo, it was a month. If
you go back and
If you go back and look at the podcast,
it's been a month where you haven't been
here.
>> Been three full podcasts and I have
missed you very much.
>> Oh, that's cool.
>> We really missed you.
>> of comments on my my posts that
apparently I ignored text messages.
Which
>> You absolutely do.
>> think
>> true.
>> You did not reply to a number of text
messages I sent you while you were on
your trip.
>> I if if if you if you saw if you text me
directly, I'm in with you, Cannon.
>> Nick didn't Listen, I I know you don't
watch the pod, but but Nick called you
out for that, and and I think it's
because he doesn't understand time
zones. You got to Nick has never
traveled before. You got to remember
that. He's never been anywhere.
>> That explains it.
>> Yeah, and so he didn't understand, I
think I'm being sort of serious. He
didn't understand, I think, that like
there's a time zone issue.
>> He's like, "I don't know why people
won't reply to me. I I just
>> I sent a message 7:00 p.m. He's like,
"What's going on?"
>> Here's Here's what happened. Our we we
have a text thread. I don't think this
is a secret that is quite active. But
it's quite active late in the evening,
Pacific time, which is the middle of the
night. And honestly, if you miss it,
you're you're done.
>> [laughter]
>> And like I I love you all, but I also
enjoy sleep. I enjoy spending time with
my family. I enjoy not being on my phone
on vacation.
Uh I spend a lot of time on my phone. Uh
on Slack and in emails and in text
messages, and it's nice to disconnect.
But it's great to be back and talking to
you guys.
>> So, now that you're reconnected, so what
did you rent? You rented some Peugeot
that didn't look all that great.
>> rented a Peugeot 208, uh three-cylinder,
1-liter turbocharged.
Uh
small steering wheel, really small
steering wheel. Also, the lightest
steering. I I've rented a 208 before.
It's a very common rental car in the
like subcompact class.
Uh I had a 1.4 four-cylinder last time.
>> ask you a question, Lipo.
>> It The steering is so I want to finish
this. The steering is so light when I
got home and drove our Mercedes,
I legitimately thought for the first 20
minutes that like my power steering was
broken, cuz it was so heavy, and the
steering wheel of my Mercedes is so big.
>> heavy steering, I will say.
>> The The Peugeot just has such light
steering that it's it was
a surprise.
>> Do you Why didn't you rent something
cool, like a Chevy Captiva?
>> Uh thankfully, I was not given a Chevy
Captiva. I've previously been given an
Opel Grand Tour, which is a larger Chevy
Captiva, literally, and I demanded that
they switch it up.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh we were on a lot of very tight roads,
and so a small car is all that they can
do.
Uh in in Abruzzo, which is like an area
east of Rome by a couple hours in the
mountains, some of the best roads I've
ever been on, some of the tightest roads
I've ever been on. The 208 felt large.
Uh I was thinking about this a lot. If I
had a Miata, which I could have rented
from a different company for four or
five x the price,
the Miata would have been almost too
big.
>> You know what I You know what Filippo
>> Filippo was too powerful.
>> I find a little weird? You're rich, like
very rich.
>> No, I'm not, though.
>> You could have rented a Miata.
>> I It would have been so much more money.
I can't do that.
>> How much more are we talking?
>> for 2 weeks for $507.
Uh a Miata would have been 2,200.
That's not worth it.
That's not worth it.
>> Yeah, 2,200 bucks for 2 weeks, like a
hundred and some a day.
>> Well, okay.
>> when when my comparison point is $500,
I'm not spending an extra $1,700 for a
Miata, you know?
>> Yeah, no, I mean, I You're That's That's
That's who you are as a at your core.
>> I wouldn't I'm not sure I would have
spent an extra $700 for a Miata. Extra
seven yes.
Extra 70, sure.
>> I On the on the saving money versus fun
scale, you're always going to err on the
side of saving money.
>> Yeah, but I had a phenomenal vacation at
the last place.
>> Yeah, was it great?
>> It was so nice. I really disconnected
from you all. Thank you.
>> What did you I'm glad that you did. You
needed to.
>> I did. Did I eat anything cool?
>> Yeah, like nachos.
>> No, no nachos. A lot [clears throat] of
food.
>> Italy, the land of nachos.
>> Uh land of nachos. Uh pizza's kind of a
nacho if you like don't think about it
too much.
You do? [laughter]
Cheese.
>> Bread.
>> Cheese.
>> Bread.
>> Little bit.
>> It's just sort of cooked in a slightly
different way than nachos.
>> Different ingredients.
>> Not that
>> Different order.
>> Filippo,
you ran into the Mille Miglia.
>> I did. I was driving around I was with
my with uh some some family we're we're
coming back from something and we ran
across a bunch of children on the side
of the road.
Like we didn't run into them. We saw a
lot of children at like each
intersection on the side of the road.
>> Yep.
>> And I wondered aloud, what do we think
is happening? And my wife very kindly
looks it up and the Mille Miglia is
about to pass through like 10 minutes
later. And so I rushed my family back to
where we were staying. They didn't want
to be a part of this.
And then my wife and I went went back
out and hung out at a like lakeside
little little bar cafe to watch a lot of
cool cars go by.
>> Can I Can I ask you a question? You must
have been very flummoxed by all the
cars.
>> Oh, I don't know anything about any of
them.
>> [laughter]
>> But except for the Lexus LFA.
>> The Lexus LFA I knew about.
The some of the support vehicles cuz a
lot of the the people running it have
support vehicles.
We were outside this like little cafe
and the the owners son son and daughter
very clearly were out there on the
street. And I was like hanging out with
my wife between cars going by cuz
they're spread out by that point, right?
Like they start off all together but
then they some drive faster than others,
some break down, some stop for a
cigarette and an espresso, you know,
things happen.
>> That one Alpha hit that other Alpha, you
saw that Kenny?
>> Yeah.
Yeah.
And the kids were getting so excited
about specific cars. And so I was like
looking to them to like what what is
coming? Is it going to be cool? And then
I realized that the only cars that they
cared about were anything new and
loosely exotic. It's like any new 911
really excited. Well, they live in an
old Bugatti in Italy.
Right. We It made me realize how spoiled
we are. We see
a top tier supercars, hypercars, sports
cars, the rarest, the coolest variants
every week in San Diego. We we live out
out in Southern California, you see them
when you're part of the car community in
Southern California, you really see
them. But these kids don't see a base
911 ever. It's it's rural Italy.
It's Tuscany, like occasionally a
tourist drives through in a Ferrari
California with German plates.
>> Yeah.
>> That's it. That's the best you can hope
for.
>> Dude, you were special. You were
special. I would argue that you were
especially are spoiled sitting in that
Porsche room with your You probably have
a man bag.
>> [laughter]
>> There was a
991 GT3RS and a 964 Turbo like here.
>> Damn.
>> So, yeah.
Uh we're a little spoiled. Uh but it was
It was a refreshing reminder of what
they'll get excited and what like still
excites kids, which is
Turns out that new sports cars still do.
And some of the old stuff, like people
were All the drivers were so sweet and
were like waving and honking as they
went by people and it was really fun.
>> to them the kids in Italian?
>> Of course.
>> Did you say, "Hi, my name is Filippo. I
would like to sit at this cafe."?
>> Uh no, cuz it turns out when you go to a
cafe to order things, you just kind of
go up there and have a conversation and
you order. You don't need to say, "My
name is Filippo. I want to order food
from your cafe." You just go and you
chit-chat and you order food from the
cafe.
>> Uh I'm glad that you had at least one
automotive experience, uh Filippo. And
it appears you're having another within
this in this in this Porsche world uh
that you're in.
>> It was so good. I love Italy. Everybody
should go to Italy.
Uh and I now have a few additional
regions that I had not been to since I
was a kid uh to recommend.
>> Italy is the greatest country.
>> It is the greatest country.
>> Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Just say
>> Yep.
Yep. Do when do Where would you put
Greenland on your list?
>> Um
mid to lowish.
>> That was a trick question. It's not a
country. Uh okay.
>> That's right. It's a territory of
Denmark.
>> Uh
in fact, they just use regular Denmark
license plates, but and this is the key,
they start with GR.
>> Oh, I thought it was a country.
>> Greenland.
>> [laughter]
>> We got it.
>> [laughter]
>> I'll tell you some things. That's we got
to move on from that. Yes, so couple of
things. So
one is that so I have a car live right
now. I'm very excited. The first Canon R
car officially is live since I launched
which I'm very excited about.
>> gone and I'm so excited to see you.
>> Thanks Filippo. I really appreciate
that. It's a Lotus Amira. You know
what's going to happen Filippo?
>> Yeah, Canon and I are personally friends
and do talk.
>> Yeah, we we live like a block apart from
one [laughter] another. We do see each
other.
>> He He stunned me on the podcast when he
told everybody.
>> [laughter]
>> That's cuz you you live on the other
coast. It's It's hard to communicate.
>> And then later in the podcast he found
me a Toyota Supra. Anyway,
speaking of amazing speaking of Toyota
sports cars the Amira.
>> Yeah, so the
>> [laughter]
>> Well, no.
>> Not this one.
>> No, because this one is not this one has
the four-cylinder. There only been one
four-cylinder offering cars at Benz
before, but this has the AMG M139
turbocharged four-cylinder which I think
is I was just reflecting upon this the
other day when I was looking at the
stats.
I never thought that I would see the day
when a four-cylinder from a manufacturer
would make more power than my E39 M5's 5
L V8. But here we are and like I
personally love the Amira. I think it's
one of like
Yeah, 400 horsepower.
>> you got like 395 394.
>> 394 that's right. That's right. It's got
me by a little bit. Half the cylinder
count more power unbelievable.
But nonetheless like it's this one I
think half the yellow is the right color
for this car. It looks so good. This is
a really nice example 4,000 mi and it's
got all the the great stuff with it. But
it's so cool. I worked with Frank
Harrington from the photographer's
garage on this one who took amazing
pictures of this car
as he always does and yes, this is the
very first one. I'm really excited to be
offered with no reserve. So go check it
out when you can. But
>> Wait, sorry. Can I say something about
this? We talked about the the the We we
know that the six-cylinder manual's
going away and then they're replacing
the six-cylinder and the four-cylinder
with their French-Chinese
built
>> Yep. Yep.
>> So we thought that that that that end,
there was a brief period where you can
get an AMG four-cylinder in the mirror.
>> Correct. Yeah, and the old when I talked
to the owner of this car, the first
words out of his mouth were it's still
it's the AMG four-cylinder. He would
like wanted to make sure I knew that,
which I I fully fully did. Uh but
nonetheless, really really love Yeah,
great powertrain in a lot of really cool
cars and just I just can't believe that
kind of power can be made with
four-cylinder car, but it can. Uh and
the mirror is, you know, I think one of
the coolest cars it's in. But okay, now
there is something else I wanted to
mention in addition to this. It was a
friend of mine who has a Ferrari 575
sent this to me, but there is a guy
There's a YouTube video that just came
out recently of a guy who did a full US
tour, went to all 48 contiguous states
in a Ferrari 575. He added It was I
think it's 14,000
miles to his car doing this drive, which
is unbelievable. These Ferraris right
now have become super valuable cars,
like they're just on fire and not in the
normal way. Uh their values are just
skyrocketing. It's so cool to see when
go out and actually, you know, use this
car and like go drive it around. He did
a video talking about like his
experiences. I mean, he did I don't
think he saw a bison like you did with
your Aston Martin, Doug. But
nonetheless, this guy like took it to He
took it like to small towns, like drove
it around, had great conversations, and
it was just like a reminder to me that
even if your car is something really
special, like go out and use it and have
experiences and share it with people.
That's when you derive the most pleasure
out of it,
>> [laughter]
>> which is especially within the Ferrari
community. It's just like a lot of
Ferraris, you know, uh you covered up
and and protected and stuff. But I mean,
this guy would just went out and did it.
Uh which I think is so so so cool.
>> Um so if If you had a Ferrari 575M
Maranello,
what state would you most want to be
driving it in?
>> Mm. That's tough to say. Um well, I
mostly would just want to drive it here
at home and use it as often as I
possibly could.
>> Yeah, but this guy did a road trip.
>> Yeah, he did. I think
I mean Colorado has a lot of lovely
roads that are suited to it. Wide open
wide open but then you have nice
beautiful mountain twisty roads.
There's a a lot of great places to use
it. I mean just spectacular looking out
that wind looking out that windshield
seeing that beautiful long hood and then
mountains in the like I mean that would
just be amazing. Then some roads I think
in Arizona some really straight ones to
like you know exercise the V12 a little
bit. But to that point Oh no, he did see
a bison. Look at that. But but
[laughter]
But to that point like he like I was cuz
I was curious about reliability right?
You're going to drive it that far.
That's a lot of That's I mean that's a
major that it needs after before and
after.
>> Yeah, I mean he must have serviced it
during this trip.
>> A little bit so he needed to he blew
through a set of tires [laughter]
completely wore them out. Not a surprise
Pirellis. And then he had a clogged
AC line and then it was acting up on
him. But pretty minor stuff like the car
just like otherwise did it which is
>> also he must have also serviced he must
have done I mean 40,000 miles he must
have done an oil change you know and
stuff like that.
>> Uh 14,000 but yeah he beforehand like I
would imagine and probably during it I
think he did do maybe an oil change. But
nonetheless like the guy just went out
and used the car and I just think that
is like so so cool. And yes I know like
obviously I'm sure he picked up a lot of
rock chips and needs some cosmetic
reconditioning now but who cares? Like I
mean you're not going to you're not
going to go to your grave having you
know he's going to have cool stories to
tell tell and he like lived and so I
think it's just a cool reminder and I
thought it was a really really cool
video.
>> Filippo for the next time you debate
whether you want to get a Miata or a
Peugeot 208 with a three-cylinder keep
in mind that you too could live.
Although I understand you don't wish to.
Okay, we got to move on from the top car
segment move on to the incredibly
important market report. There is a lot
of reporting that we have to do about
the market. The market report is brought
to you by the convertible Toyota 4Runner
which will be coming out my guess is
probably sometime in the next year in
order for Toyota to
to distract us from the fact that
they're not recalling hybrid power
trains
uh due to a small technicality.
>> It It existed. Don't forget.
>> Yeah, so where is it again? Jesus.
>> Does Kenneth know that it existed?
Kenneth, do you know where it existed?
>> No, I wasn't aware
>> original 4Runner had a removable top.
The original
>> really like a
Tacoma with a removable top on the back
and seats, but yeah.
>> Exactly what it was.
>> I think I guess.
>> Uh Mark and we got to start with the
United 2. This is one of the greatest
things ever happened. Kenneth, pull up
the United 2. By the way, speaking of
Ohio, this is where the E92 was going.
>> Oh, nice.
>> We sold this E92 M3. It came in and and
the fellow who bought it, he had owned
it from new. And I don't think he was
really paying that much attention to the
market because he was like, "I'm going
to get a"
He wasn't like thinking he'd get big
money. And I was like, "This is a
one-owner competition final model year
17,000 mile manual transmission
individual frozen silver."
>> Yeah.
>> Like this is the the E92 to end all
E92s. Sold for 97,500 United States
dollars. It was over 100
>> Grand with the fee.
>> Um I did a video on it. I had a lot of
fun in that car. It's been a long time
since I've driven an E92 M3.
Uh and I had a lot of fun in that car. I
forgot how how special it is to have a
V8 in a car like that.
>> Yeah. And it's
It's Yeah, it's it's just an like this
was you're absolutely right. This is the
car. Short of like a Lime Rock with a
manual and very low mileage, like this
is it. Um but yeah, I mean the the S65
it's so funny cuz like they're so
different compared to like my car.
Everybody asked me if I why didn't you
get an M3? Um it just revs. That engine
just goes and goes and goes and goes.
>> what You know what's interesting? I I've
always looked at the torque figure and
looked at the torque peak uh numbers and
thought, "Well, an engine it just
doesn't have torque." And so you It's a
V8, but it doesn't behave like a V8. I
didn't feel that way when I drove it
this time for some reason. I'm not sure
exactly why, but it felt like it was a
little torquier low than I remembered.
Maybe because I had remembered it being
like an S2000 and and it was just better
than my expectation, but I I just really
loved that car and that powertrain. It's
a really nice situation.
>> blame you. It's actually a more true, I
would say, powertrain like for BMWs.
Yes, it's a it's V8, but BMW engines are
about revs. Like the M engines are high
revving, naturally aspirated. Like the
best ones are are I feel are like that
from And this But yeah, I mean, it is
I'm so glad this car car got the
appreciation I feel like it deserves.
It's like it's it's the one. It's just
the one.
>> Have you ever considered, Cannon,
replacing your E39 M5 for an E90 M3
sedan?
>> Yeah, LCI. I have on occasion considered
that but
uh I like torque.
>> [laughter]
>> My motor's got torque.
>> Your motor does have torque, but um man,
that E90. What a great car.
>> good. Great interior, great design, so
if Felipe over there
I never mind, you're not going to
consider one of these ever.
Um but and those wheels, the competition
wheels. Ugh.
One of the finest BMW wheels.
>> Yeah, Felipe's not ready for it, but
like a a real adult who's like wants to
get into a real sports car might be
ready for it.
>> I do love the E90. I think
>> the E90 the sedan looks better than than
the coupe.
>> I think the coupe looks great, but I
think the sedan looks really good. I
think the convertible, as much as I
prefer convertibles in every car, looked
a little ungainly, which is unfortunate
because they tried really hard to make
it look coupe-like, and I think
convertibles are great, and I think that
convertible in particular is a bargain,
but it
it's a little weird-looking, a little.
>> Oh oh regardless, though, I'm not
surprised to see a nice, but not
perfect, in that it has 17,000 mi.
That's incredibly low by collector
standards. They're like
>> that hit me about this
>> that surprising.
>> I agree with you. The thing that hit me
about this car is that we are seeing in
the exotic market a big rise in the the
um you know, the pre-hybrid,
pre-automatic
phase. All those cars are shooting
through the moon. It's not just those.
This car is proof of that. Like E92 M3
at $100,000 is something we all could
have predicted, but now is the day that
it's happening. It's time. Another car
that I thought was interesting that sold
this week for much more money than I was
expecting was this Audi RS5. Pull up
that that RS5 there, Cannon. Um, for a
brief period Audi made the RS5 with a
big old V8 and the perfect one listed on
our site, which is a low mileage with a
V8 in this this gorgeous blue color.
Sepang blue.
And [clears throat] it sold for $52,000.
A lot more than I was expecting.
And it's again, I think the market is
just really coalescing around these V8
these [clears throat] experiences.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm a little surprised by this one cuz
you can still replicate a V8 automatic
experience. And so it's a little
surprising to see
strength.
>> Sure.
>> Or an AMG GT which is also 50 grand for
a car that should be higher
premium in some way.
>> Yeah, this is an NA V8.
>> Yeah, it's an NA V8. The other thing to
keep in mind is like this car had some
mods on it, but a lot of these cars have
a lot of mods on them these days.
>> Yeah, this had the good mods. I I don't
know. I I'm just I'm continuing to be
interested in this
this whole world. This
We called it years ago on this podcast
and a lot of other videos that this sort
of mid-2000s to mid-2010 era where cars
had NA V8s and and big NA engines before
the screens, before the hybrids, before
too much complication is going to be
looked at as the '60s of our generation.
And boy, is that happening right before
our eyes.
>> So, you all got in.
You heard it here. Yeah, and I still I
still think there's probably room to get
in like
buy the cars that you love. Like at the
at the end of the day, if you can do it,
buy them cuz they're
you you might not get a second chance.
It just depends.
>> I definitely would not pay buy a car GT
today.
>> No, I mean, yeah, well, even my beloved
355. It's like the gold 550s like stuff
stuff like that has moved. But there are
still bargains out there. You know,
that's this is a a example of that. So,
I I think like these cars are really
just really special. So,
>> You got to buy the good stuff while you
can. Toyota's still not making a
convertible 4Runner, folks. This is the
next best thing.
>> Can I ask, instead of the Curvature
Tube, would you buy we have a Ferrari
330 P4 recreation recreation?
>> Yeah, this thing is so cool.
>> so wild. Would you buy that instead?
>> No, but I would um
not buy the Curvature Tube.
>> [laughter]
>> It's a Ferrari V12, the gated five-speed
manual. It looks I mean, the
correct
>> It's a little too It's a little too
unusable and and excessive for me. I
would I actually don't mind the really
good Ferrari replicas. I just wouldn't
want That one's just a little too like
crazy for me.
>> You know what I'm saying?
It's a piece of
grass.
>> With the bubble Yeah. windshield and
look over those those fenders.
>> It's amazing, but I got the Countach. I
wouldn't mind like a 250 short wheelbase
replica. I would be interested in that
or a um
something like that.
>> Probably it would be Do you have a 250
TR rep? I know that's kind of a What's
on the edge?
>> pretty focused cuz there's no there's no
roof on that thing and all that, you
know.
>> That's right. Well, we live here. When
do you need a roof?
>> You do.
>> I live here. Um
>> [laughter]
>> Okay, we got any more market reports to
talk about?
>> I
I'm I'm content to move on to questions.
>> We got to move on to questions because
even though we didn't Let me tell you
what happened, folks. We put up a
questions post this week and it was Ryan
Lopez who did it and he didn't turn the
questions on. He didn't turn on
comments. In fact, he turned off
comments and I discovered I I came up
with a a thing about Ryan Lopez that I
think's going to be We got to We got to
use from now on. His slogan is
almost.
Ryan Lopez
>> [laughter]
>> almost.
>> It does sound Yeah, in the marketing
pitch the Mad Men pitch, that is exactly
what we would do.
>> [laughter]
>> I I will defend Mr. Ryan Lopez because I
think he did that while driving across
the country in a Model T or whatever
you're driving [laughter] across the
country. And so that's going to mess
with your brain in some way.
>> You know what?
I used to do these posts and I once
missed one by like an hour and I was
apoplectically cross with myself.
>> Cannon, Cannon, there were expectations
for you. But for Ryan Lopez, he
Remember, Ryan Lopez.
>> Almost. Almost.
>> Um okay, so I want to move on to the
questions. Somebody put up a privateer
post and the questions were actually
amazing. They [laughter] were incredible
questions. So, we got good stuff. And
the the first question is the best
question from EVs and clutch pedals.
Below are the 10 best-selling passenger
vehicles in the USA last year. If you
had to daily drive one for a year, what
would it be? I'm going to read them to
you. So, that's the question. Think
about it as I read you the cars.
>> year, okay.
>> Camry, CRV, Equinox, F-150, Model Y,
RAM RAV4 Sierra Silverado Tacoma.
For me, it's undoubtedly the Tacoma.
It's the only question on my mind. What
about you guys?
>> I like sedans, so it's probably going to
be the Camry for me. I think the Camry
The Taco actually is the was the first
in my gut was that was the first thing I
thought I would use, but I've never had
a truck like I would be
>> It wouldn't be a question for me. In
fact, I wish they made a convertible
one.
>> I would
>> [laughter]
>> What are you, the Dakota Sport? Uh I
would have an F-150 over the Taco.
>> way, the convertible Dakota you didn't
have to get a sport. You could get a
standard regular or a convertible.
>> Nobody did.
>> You would get an F-150?
>> Over over a Taco. I think I would go for
a CRV Hybrid.
>> Okay.
>> Or or for 2026, the RAV4 GR Hybrid.
>> Yeah, that's a very exciting car.
Cannon, what's your answer here? You
would do Camry?
>> know. I I think I think I would do the
Camry. It's the I love sedans and like
the Camry is just it's just so
comfortable.
>> What are we a Toyota podcast? This is
the same company that won't recall their
hybrids.
>> I didn't say a Toyota. You said a
Toyota.
>> What do you mean? You You just said the
GR RAV4. You just said that.
>> but I said the CRV HYBRID FIRST.
>> HE CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT HE JUST GOT.
HE'S GOT
>> how the new RAV4 looks.
>> This is the level of effort that Felipe
puts into his answers.
>> here in Portland, but his mind is still
in Switzerland.
>> That's right. That's all I got to answer
a question about non-Porsches.
Ugh.
Okay, next question.
>> salt. I love
>> Next question. This is a good one. Uh
from tall guy small car, question for
Doug. It's actually a question for all
of us. Uh you recently claimed the Lotus
Esprit V8 is a cheap alternative to your
Countach that still gives a similar type
of excitement and feel.
>> feel. I think that's true. You agree
with that, Kenan, right?
>> I agree with that, yep, still.
>> Here Well, here's the question. What are
some similar cheap alternatives to your
other cars that offer a similar feel? Uh
your Carrera GT or your Ford GT.
>> Um actually the Ford GT is that
alternative for the Carrera GT in a way.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I think another alter- I think an
alternative for the Countach, another
alternative for the Countach is a is a
Gallardo, actually. I think a manual
Gallardo has a similar amount, not the
same, but some gravitas, some craziness,
some wedge shape, uh for a lot less
money. I think that that's another
possibility. Um Carrera GT is so defined
by the precision of the car and the
immense specialness of the powertrain
that I honestly think it's difficult to
replicate cheaper. Like, yes, a Boxster
Spyder is also a mid-engine Porsche that
has similar looks and is quick, but it
it doesn't it's not even close to
delivering what I think makes the
Carrera GT the Carrera GT. Whereas, I
think a Esprit actually gets pretty
close to doing [laughter] what the
Countach does, and
>> I'm honest.
>> Um and I don't really see a great
Carrera GT alternative. The Ford GT's
sort of, but I'm astonished every time I
drive them back to back, you can tell
why the Ford GT was so much cheaper.
Like, if I didn't love the Ford GT and
if I drove the Carrera GT a lot more, I
would defo sell that Ford GT.
>> [laughter]
>> Like, it's just
not on the same level. But, I think it's
hard to get on the same level.
>> Audi is not a bad al- Ford GT
alternative for this question.
>> Yeah, it's a similar idea.
>> or C7 Z06?
>> Different different, but like replacing.
>> Similar idea, like a supercar from a
regular manufacturer is still a special
car, still very fast, still very cool.
Think that's true.
>> Viper, fifth gen?
>> Yeah, a good fifth gen Viper. Although a
good fifth gen Viper is not that much
cheaper than a 4G T.
>> Actually,
for a 4G T, it's still a fifth the
price.
>> A regular fifth gen, but like an ACR is
like a
>> ACR is too much for a 4G T.
>> That's too much of a
>> Too much of a tracky.
>> Yeah, that's true.
Um those are all those are I think an R8
is probably the best 4G T alternative.
It's it's to me it's the same idea. It's
a mid-engine, it was supposed to be a
halo car, pretty serviceable, pretty
usable, pretty drivable, a lot of fun.
Um I think that's like the answer to
that. Carrera GT I just can't come up
with something really that captures like
the essence of how I feel when I drive
that car.
You got anything, Kevin?
>> No, I've been trying to think cuz like
even from the Porsche world, like
Boxster Spyder was the first thing I
thought of, but um I mean now it's it's
it's really hard. 911 ST, but yeah, it's
not the same.
>> A 911 GT3 RS 4.0 kind of starts going
down the road, but that's a million
bucks. I don't think it's I don't think
it answers the question in the spirit of
the question.
>> That's a pretty good it's less than half
the cost.
>> The question the question is being asked
>> I get it. Yeah, I I get it. I get it.
>> Yeah. GT2 RS
>> is the answer though for people that
will never experience
>> Boxster Spyder what you're describing.
>> Like like like that only that it
comparison falls apart when you get to
the specialness of the Carrera GT engine
and powertrain and like the feel of
being in that car with that shifter wood
and up there. Nobody's going to get to
experience that. So if you don't know
better
>> Yeah, I guess I guess [laughter] I know.
Hell, if you don't know better, the CRV
Hybrid is actually the right
>> No, we know that.
>> Toyota should make a convertible
4Runner. Right, on to the next question.
Uh from AA Rev 2020, "Dear Doug, with
another child on the way, do you think
you'll use the Sequoia year-round now?"
Absolutely not. I wouldn't be caught
dead driving that car.
Even though I love it.
Uh my wife and I have three-row station
wagons. We're good.
We're good.
Filippo's got one, too.
If we need to borrow one,
>> Yeah, you you got it. I have a more
spacious third row. We've tested and
decided.
>> Uh
what about the S210?
>> Uh
>> That's a big butt.
>> It's a big butt.
>> long
>> Yes, voluptuous.
>> Big butt.
>> Uh I love this next question.
>> The next question, dear Doug, with your
growing family, a lot of growing family
questions, don't you think it's time to
get really serious about acquiring the
Italdesign Columbus? You think towing
kids around on a Supra is cool? Who
could be the true story van? It's more
of a split-level van, I would argue.
It's
That's a Filippo knows he was from the
Filippo grew up in Wisconsin. He lived
in a split-level, for God's sake.
>> Never lived in a split-level, but yeah.
>> Yeah, but you had a walk-out basement, I
bet. I bet you had one of those in
>> we did. Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Connecticut.
>> Damn, Filippo.
>> Uh the answer is I tried to buy the
Italdesign Columbus years ago. I sent
them I I got in serious emails with
them, and they were like, "We're not
selling this. It's part of our
heritage." And I'm thinking, "Isn't this
part of your heritage that you maybe
don't want to
have anymore?" Like,
>> It would be really bad.
So,
Mercedes has we talked a months ago
about the VLS, Mercedes their like fancy
van. First drives are out, people are
vaguely into it. There's a luxury
version.
The Italdesign Columbus would be like
the ultimate family van, for sure. So,
you should reach you should reach out
again.
>> I they what they were suggesting was was
they were said, "Hey, look, instead of
give selling you the one we have, we
could make you a we can create one
together." And I'm like, "I'm not going
to spend a million dollars creating a
heinous van. You already did that. I now
want to buy it for like $65,000."
>> Oh, we we might be at a price mismatch.
>> I would spend 200.
I just have to wait for
>> Italdesign folks, reach out.
>> I got to wait for Italdesign to get into
dire financial straits, which you have
to assume is not far off.
>> shocking they're not already there.
Yeah, I can't believe they they would
pull off something
>> in I swoop in as their savior in two
ways. I give them cash and I free up
space and they can downgrade to a
smaller office cuz that car takes up so
much room.
>> But you say that it's a van. I picture
it more being like a Winnebago is the
size I'm I'm picturing. Like
it's humongous.
You would have to be It would have to be
12 in the middle.
>> Uh okay, next question from Bear at the
Controls 7 and this is a great question.
Uh Bear at the Controls 7, "Dear Doug,
what's the best idea an automaker pumped
loads of money into only to abandon it
later?" GM OnStar, right Filippo?
>> OnStar is still A THING.
>> OH, YEAH. People using it I bet. I BET
THEY'RE OUT THERE USING IT LIKE CRAZY. I
bet THEY'RE PUSHING THE BUTTON.
>> When you
It only Every manufacturer now, to be
fair, they led the way. Every
manufacturer has like an emergency
response system now where in theory you
can call it for like support, but it's
really a you got into an accident we'll
call them now.
>> But remember OnStar was supposed to be a
savior and I remember I sold GM cars and
I remember people would come in and say
that but the Toyota has navigation. And
we'd say, "You don't need navigation. We
have OnStar."
>> Yeah, OnStar is not a bad one. I I
really thought you were going to say
Quadrasteer when you said GM. I don't
think that much money went into
Quadrasteer.
>> Quadrasteer is now on every luxury car,
so they won.
Once again, General Motors paved the way
and then the Euro trash was was well
behind them.
>> [laughter]
>> Was the question just Was it just one
manufacturer like what they did?
The car that comes to mind that never
became a car to me was Apple pursuing
like doing a car themselves. They pumped
millions and millions of dollars into
that. Never It never went anywhere and
then Johnny went and gave us the Luche,
which is maybe why Apple didn't do it.
>> That that's the smarter decision than a
brand putting a ton of money into a car
that then is and everyone knows it's
going to be a total flop, but they sort
of get to this point. But yes, it's a
lot of money and
>> It went nowhere.
>> I think that the Fisker Ocean's
California mode.
>> Wasn't that much money independently,
but it's a lot of windows with motors.
>> I don't think that was the I don't think
that was a big part of their
The fighting
it was the embezzlement.
>> All of their marketing.
>> I mean there's been a lot of dumb
marketing things that were really big
components of cars that nobody ended up
caring about that much. Um
>> Envoy SUV.
>> Stuff like that. Yeah, but I think
OnStar is a really is a really good one.
>> OnStar's a good answer.
>> It was It was like It was like the heart
of their marketing for like 20 years
that they had this.
>> I
run flats also sort of come to mind.
>> Run flats
>> Toyota in the 2000s did run flat tires
that had a lot of trade-off, but
wouldn't go flat. They still do by the
way. Offer that. But for a while Toyota
on the search you mean Honda on the
Odyssey also had run flats that
everybody had issues with. Like there
was a lot of investment in how can we
make these tires be safer not have
punctures not
>> And nobody really bought it. Like Like I
mean people bought it, but nobody bought
it like mentally.
>> If they could have avoided buying it,
they would have. Every single Odyssey
buyer would have avoided it.
>> The And now though every Odyssey is on
rims from that era. The ones that
haven't launched their transmissions are
on rims so that people can avoid the run
flat tires.
Uh okay, that's a good question. Next
question uh from Bear with the Controls
7 again.
>> Ooh.
>> Hey Doug, when you went to GM to review
the Cadillac Voyage, did you ask the
people from GM what happened to the
Cadillac 16 concept car [clears throat]
from 2003? Uh I reviewed the Cadillac
Voyage concept car there at GM. They
have all the concept cars. It's just
that not all of them run. That was That
was why I had to choose the Voyage. I
would have chosen a bunch of others, but
a lot of a lot of the other concept cars
just either never ran or only ran like
with a small remote control and a small
battery or something.
Um or they just don't they're not
operant. Um and so I think that I could
have done a lot of concept cars if I was
willing not to drive it, but graciously
they actually let me drive this thing,
which was part of the fun of the review.
That's why I chose the That was one of
the reasons why I chose the Voyage.
Um next question from D_4BES.
Dear Doug, as you mentioned recently
you're never keeping you're not keeping
any of your cars forever.
You've historically been the leading
voice of no reserve and have sold a lot
of cars no reserve on Cars and Bids.
Will you sell the Carrera GT no reserve
when the time comes to depart with it?
Heck yeah.
Yep.
But I have a suspicion that the world
will be different when it's time to sell
the Carrera GT.
You know what I mean?
Will Cars and Bids still be around? Will
Filippo?
Hmm.
>> Man, these are deep philosophical
questions.
>> You never know.
Like if I'm we're talking 20, 25 years.
Like by then maybe online car auctions
have gone away and all all cars are sold
via chip implanted in your brain, you
know?
>> A walk in the park.
Actually, that's Filippo's dream because
then he can just imagine That's what he
does. He imagines what the car is like,
doesn't have to own it, and he gets that
the
the philosophical and the the sort of
the experience out of his system. It's
interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> I I hopefully we don't have a need for
cars.
>> Oh, hopefully we don't even have a need
for cars.
>> An hour and a half into this week's
podcast. I'd be
>> 25 years we as a society will no longer
need cars.
>> And and how many years?
>> 25.
>> Is that when you're going to get rid of
the Carrera GT?
>> Well, I don't I Yeah, probably something
like I don't think it's going to be like
I don't think I'll keep it forever, but
I have a suspicion it's going to stick
around for a while.
Don't you think?
>> I don't know, man.
Right now your Carrera GT is worth what?
2 million? Ish? Something like that. I
don't know what value it's at. But like
it becomes to three, four, five. Can you
still drive it? Can you still
decide to own it? I don't know.
>> Yeah, that'll be hard. I mean, it'll
depend a lot on my financial situation.
Um as the poorest Carrera GT owner, at
some point I'll have to make a decision
as to whether I'd rather have the money
liquid. Uh okay, final question, final
question, final question, final
question, final question from _nick.
Dear Doug, now that you're back on cars,
would you take another run at the
Gilmore Girls Jeep? It's just down the
road in Connecticut. Folks, I've talked
about this on this podcast. One of my
great heartbreaks in life is that the
people who owned the Jeep from Gilmore
Girls will not sell it to me.
Um I made them a nice offer. I made them
another nice offer. I then went to their
house uh
with weaponry. [snorts]
>> [laughter]
>> Oh my god.
>> No, they they never have sold it to me.
Filippo, what do you think? I was
thinking about this the other day cuz I
I'm getting out of this G Wagon and I
got to get a Jeep or something. And that
car is just sitting It's sitting
probably 120 mi from me. What do I do?
>> When was the last time you reached out
to the fine people of Gilmore Girls
Jeep?
>> Uh all right, it's uh last message to
them was uh in uh
April of '21.
>> Uh it's maybe it's worth a little email.
>> It's been 5 years.
>> Yeah, hit them again. Situations change.
COVID happened, you know?
>> Well, COVID was happening then.
>> It's still happening, yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Uh I do want the Jeep still. Filippo, do
you think I should pursue that?
>> Absolutely not under any circumstances
should you, but I suspect you should at
least email.
>> I'm going to have 10 cars here in just a
second.
>> And you haven't seen some number of
them.
>> Uh you've forgotten what it's like to
have that many. I feel like you
specifically said you didn't want You
wanted to pair down and get rid of cars
and have a more simple life.
>> a long time, it's funny. The people on
the internet complain about this. Doug
said he was off cars, now he's buying
these cars. Remember, I was off cars for
3 years and and I did I was really
committed to that and I did pair way way
way way down. And we got down to six, I
think, at one point. And now we're back
up to 10.
What are you typing, Felipe? Are you
looking up the Gilmore Girls?
>> Can you No. Can you
remind us of the 10 cars? Can you list
them?
Can you Can you keep track of all of
them?
>> Yeah, okay. You You do it.
>> [clears throat]
>> Are they all public? I've been gone for
a couple weeks.
>> Uh they're all public except the 10th
one I haven't bought yet and haven't
really committed to yet.
>> not counting that in my mind cuz I think
I'll have them all at the same time.
>> You have a Carrera GT. You have a Ford
GT. You have the Countach. You have the
911 Turbo.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh you have the the G Cabriolet still.
>> Yeah.
>> You have the Supra. You have the 210.
The MG. You have the 213.
Uh you have the Sequoia.
>> Yeah.
>> And then the mystery 10th car that I'm
going to get
pretty soon.
>> That's 10.
>> That's a problem.
>> Yeah, it's a problem, but you got like
six dude.
>> So, come on. Come on. Come on.
>> You got like at least six.
>> Four.
>> You know, Cannon keeps it simple.
>> I always have.
>> it simple.
>> I always have. Although, now I have
customer cars that are coming, which is
a whole other thing.
>> Yes.
>> So, which is very cool and very
exciting.
>> and he keeps it simple.
>> Simple. I think that's a good note to
end on.
>> That's the end of our podcast today.
Cannon, do you have any final parting
thoughts for us?
>> Well, I'm just very happy that Felipe is
back, although not back. He's
He He's back, but not here.
>> I saw you in person, Cannon.
>> We We did have dinner the other night.
He It was lovely and I'm I'm probably
lying.
>> Porsche studio ready to wax poetic about
the difference between the 964 Speedster
and the 9
>> Just so people know, if anybody is is
here up in New England, we have a great
event where you're Saturday tomorrow if
you're listening to this when it comes
out at the Larz Anderson
>> right?
>> Uh all the spots for cars are taken, but
we We still space for spectators, so
come on by.
>> Hey, what kind of green car come say hi
to me and tell me that you you you
>> What cars you got? You got anything
really good?
>> Honestly, yes. It's absolutely wild. I
don't have it in front of me, but it
it's a wild wild wild list of of cars.
>> Do you have
>> is no joke. [clears throat] It's a that
that they great facility and like and
like great people there, but also like
this is like you really show up in New
England.
>> We we we we have a blue TVR Speed 8,
yeah, which is exciting, but we also
have a Project 8
>> Oh my god, is that for sale?
>> and a Project 7 and another Project 8.
>> What color is the Project 8 and is it
cat or cat or cat deleted?
>> I will tell you on Saturday.
>> I'm dead serious. I want you to talk to
that person. I'm
not screwing with you. I'm interested.
Also, do you do you have a Hyundai
Scoupe?
>> I haven't looked I I'll be honest, this
is the one time that I did not make the
like breakout of
>> Okay, well control F for them on the
list for Scoupe. It's S C O U P E.
>> I'm looking. I'm looking.
>> It's not Scoupe like an ice cream. Now,
by the way, British viewers are going to
be watching and saying it's S C O U P E.
No, no. That's what they market it as in
Europe. In the States, it was called the
Scoupe, spelled the same. I swear to
god. Anyway, are there any?
>> [laughter]
>> Uh I I don't see any on this sheet.
>> Another bad event from Glarus Anderson.
>> [laughter]
>> All right, I hope to see a lot of you at
that event though.
>> Glarus Anderson, go see Filippo. If you
have the Project 8 and you're going for
god's sake, I want to buy it if it's
bright blue and it has a cat on the
side.
>> And then and then Glarus had 11 cars.
>> If it's cat delete low wing like why not
just get a regular XE, dude?
>> [laughter]
>> Goodbye.
>> Pleasure.
>> Goodbye.
>> Mhm.