you sell the company. Presumably, there's some type of [sighs] earnout or period of time for which you're required to still work on Backlinko. Let's just flash forward like 2 or 3 months after the acquisition. What is your what does your life look like when I sold Back Linko? That one day that the announcement was made, especially the next day cuz it was late here. So like the next day was really when I was sending messages to people and stuff and getting congratulations and whatnot. But after that day I was pretty much back working on the next thing. Didn't reflect too much on it because I had another startup that I was already working on. >> I was basically running on a treadmill and then I just hopped onto another treadmill that was right [laughter] next to it and just kept going. I kind of wish I approached it differently. Yeah. And looking back I was wish I took some time off. It was just tricky because you know how it is when you have a startup. It's kind of a strange situation. Like I had a new company that was growing. I had this old company that I sold and it felt weird to say to the new team like, "Hey guys, I need to reflect about how great my life is. I need to chill out. You guys still work though. Like you work your asses off. I'm going to I'm going to chill on the beach for a while." So it felt a little weird. I felt like I kind of had to go back into the trenches with them right away. Almost even more so to prove like look, I'm not done. like I'm not going to rest on my laurels. We're still in it to win it. It wasn't really 100% financial. Like when I sold back Linko before then I was probably okay for most of my life. Then when I sold back Linko, it was like, okay, I'm probably good for forever. And then I wouldn't have probably started something else right away if I hadn't already. And then about two years later, sold Exploding Topics and was just kind of going full-time. not super crazy working all the time because I was fairly efficient but still working all the time and then went from that to like basically stopped to zero and a lot of people I think they have this feeling of listlessness no direction maybe a bit of depression for me the symptom was stress like I think I was wired for stress not only just in general but also because of the sale process is stressful and then just because the sale is done your [clears throat] body and I think part of your like reptilian brain doesn't really recognize that and it still is looking it's looking for threats and it's looking for opportunities and it's just not chilled out. I struggled for like 2 months with stress on my aura ring. My stress was like 2x baseline from after I sold. And you'd think it'd be the opposite. It be like this is great. Like I sold two companies, I'm good for the rest of my life. Like what is there to be stressed about? And [snorts] then I realized what I needed was a hard reset. And I read this, someone sent me this who another friend who had a big acquisition. He sent me this thing. I think it was in the Yell School of Management and it was basically they interviewed founders that had just exited and they asked him their advice. >> What was it like? What were the good ups and the downs? And they basically said when you sell there were like psychological dangers that can occur. One is that you lose your sense of structure. The other is you lose your sense of purpose and you lose your sense of connection with your team. it all goes away like you have it and then one day you literally don't. So different people react to it in different ways but they warned that the a lot of case studies in this paper were saying people that started companies within a year of selling usually regretted it. >> So it's [clears throat] basically take a year and don't make any major commitments whatsoever. That was the first step. We went on a trip, got away from the environment, got away from the day-to-day life, and then it somehow was able to hack my brain to be like, "Okay, you're safe or like things are chill now." So, when I went back home, the stress was gone. It was like back to baseline or below baseline. And I was tempted to start another startup, but a lot of case studies in this paper were saying people that started companies within a year of selling usually regretted it. Mhm. >> So, it's basically take a year and don't make any major commitments whatsoever. So, that's what I did. It kept me from starting these. I had all these ideas. I'm going to start a soft and then I would be like going to wait a year, wait a year, wait a year. And then by the time a year came around, I didn't really want to because I was able to fill the void largely with tennis. I joined a tennis club >> and [clears throat] there's a lot of other entrepreneurs there. A lot of Americans, man. It's like the 51st state over there to be honest. [laughter] It's getting a little crazy. But anyway, so I filled the void with this community of people that are playing tennis, trying to improve, obsessed with the game, like watching YouTube videos, reading about it, practicing all the time. And now I don't have that same sense of like wanting to start something