[0:00] Welcome to the HalfMile podcast from
[0:02] Mercedes-Benz Downtown Calgary. I'm
[0:04] sitting here with uh Justin Edgar, CoM,
[0:08] and Chris Mernick, director of fix
[0:10] operations. You've probably enjoyed a
[0:12] lot of our drag races and road trip
[0:14] videos that we've put on our channel.
[0:16] We've got over a quarter million
[0:18] subscribers, and we felt that we owed it
[0:20] to you, the viewer, to know a little bit
[0:22] more about our opinions, and we wanted
[0:24] you to share your opinions with us. So,
[0:26] uh sit tight. We're going to have a bit
[0:28] of fun and we're going to start with the
[0:29] most controversial topic right now in
[0:31] the automotive world, which is electric
[0:33] vehicles versus ICE.
[0:43] >> Chris,
[0:43] >> yep.
[0:45] >> Probably affects you the most being in
[0:47] fixed operations because let's just call
[0:49] it for what it is. How much do EVs break
[0:53] compared to gas vehicles?
[0:54] >> They don't break. [laughter]
[0:56] We've seen very little issues at all
[0:58] with EVs. Um I guess most people are
[1:02] most concerned about the battery, right?
[1:03] The battery. The battery
[1:05] >> sales side, too.
[1:06] >> Yeah. Um
[1:08] and full disclosure, yeah, we've done
[1:10] one or two batteries. Um I think we all
[1:13] know that it probably could have been
[1:15] fixed with a software update that
[1:17] eventually came out, but there's nothing
[1:19] going wrong with them. They're actually
[1:21] really reliable. fraction of of of
[1:24] moving parts compared to an ICE vehicle,
[1:25] right?
[1:26] >> What do you notice with tires and
[1:28] brakes? Is it dramatically different?
[1:30] >> So, that's where um the change comes is
[1:33] the weight and the sheer torque. You
[1:37] consume tires at an alarming rate,
[1:40] right? And we all drive them. We know,
[1:42] you know, you when you're driving it,
[1:44] you can almost hear the tires coming off
[1:45] the car. Um, but brakes, I know when I
[1:50] drive my EV, I'm in uh full regen all
[1:52] the time. I'm never using the brakes,
[1:55] right? So, brake pads last a lot longer.
[1:57] There's no oil change, right? It's it's
[2:00] um it's a completely different beast,
[2:02] but yeah, you are going to consume tires
[2:04] at an alarming rate.
[2:06] >> Yeah. And one of the most complex
[2:07] components of a vehicle is the
[2:10] transmission. It's pretty intricate.
[2:12] >> Yeah. So, a lack of a transmission and
[2:14] an EV is probably going to reduce the
[2:17] complexities radically over an icing.
[2:19] >> Yeah. Well, all you have is an electric
[2:21] motors. That's it. Right. Whether you
[2:23] have uh one in the back, one in the
[2:25] front, you don't have a transmission,
[2:27] you don't have to have differentials
[2:28] anymore, you know? Everything is just so
[2:31] simple in it.
[2:33] >> How much would it be to replace the
[2:36] actual main battery, the the drive
[2:38] battery of a
[2:39] >> usually? Yeah, that's a that's a very
[2:40] frequent question. Um, it can range from
[2:43] 40 to $60,000.
[2:46] >> And all things being equal, if it was
[2:48] the equivalent S-Class, E-Class, GLE,
[2:51] what would that entire engine be to
[2:53] replace?
[2:53] >> About the same.
[2:54] >> Now, obviously, you can just repair,
[2:56] take components out, replace stuff
[2:58] within the actual engine. Where are we
[3:00] at? Cuz I know a lot of people have
[3:02] heard, a lot of people have read the
[3:03] cell replacement, cell rejuvenation. I
[3:06] know Mercedes-Benz has been working on
[3:07] that. A lot of pilots in Europe. Where
[3:09] are we at? We can't replace cells yet
[3:12] yet. Apparently in the US they're
[3:14] they're training their technicians. But
[3:16] once you get down to, you know, that
[3:19] $40,000 battery and we can just go in
[3:21] there and replace one cell for a
[3:23] fraction of the price, now we're
[3:25] talking, right? It's it's very feasible.
[3:27] Um, not that we've seen the issues with
[3:29] the batteries in long term yet, but it's
[3:31] going to be much easier to just get in
[3:32] there, open the battery up, replace a
[3:34] cell, put it back together, and put it
[3:35] back in the car. What does that mean
[3:37] though for you know yourself where your
[3:40] paycheck is pretty much dictated by
[3:43] repairs and everyone else that's in that
[3:45] world uh and so many people right now
[3:47] being pushed to go into trades because
[3:48] it's becoming yeah
[3:50] >> really hard to find people in trades.
[3:52] What does that mean for them on the
[3:53] other side when they go through all the
[3:55] schooling now?
[3:55] >> Yeah. Well, they're starting to teach a
[3:57] lot more of electric in school, right?
[3:59] You need you need to be qualified to
[4:00] work on these things, right? We're
[4:01] dealing with high voltage, right? It's a
[4:03] big safety issue, but um yeah, it's if
[4:08] if ice was gone right now and we just
[4:11] switched right to EV,
[4:13] uh wouldn't be as much work in the shop.
[4:16] There wouldn't, right? Um probably
[4:17] wouldn't need as many guys. We probably
[4:19] have a lot of just tire changers and
[4:21] whatnot, but yeah, it's not a lot of
[4:23] work on these things.
[4:24] >> Yeah.
[4:25] >> Yeah. And I think as they get lighter um
[4:28] and they develop more technology that
[4:30] they're going to go through less of
[4:31] those components like the tires and it's
[4:34] probably going to push innovation with
[4:35] tire technology to be even more
[4:37] resilient.
[4:38] >> Yeah. I don't the tire technology is not
[4:40] there yet, right? The most they've done
[4:41] is, you know, change a little bit of the
[4:43] compound and put some foam inside to
[4:45] help with noise because that's something
[4:46] you don't have noise, right? You have to
[4:48] always focus on dumbing down all the
[4:50] noise outside the car. But yeah, tire
[4:52] technology needs to catch up.
[4:54] >> Yeah. Yeah,
[4:55] >> but
[4:57] thinking about hybrids for example, are
[5:00] they really a formidable solution?
[5:01] Because I always think about hybrids
[5:03] myself and I'm like, okay, well, you
[5:05] have the complexity of an ICE motor.
[5:08] >> Mhm.
[5:08] >> And now you're adding the complexity of
[5:11] an EV. So, you have double the
[5:13] complexity. Correct.
[5:16] >> Yeah. But there's already battery in the
[5:18] car, right? Whether it be a 12vt or 48
[5:20] volt. Now, we're just adding a another
[5:22] high voltage battery in the back. I
[5:24] think hybrids are a great option. Um you
[5:27] can um put it in straight EV mode or in
[5:30] our cars it's really nice. You just turn
[5:32] it on and it's all auto, right? You get
[5:35] on the gas and it's in electric mode and
[5:37] then if you give it a bit more engine
[5:39] will kick on. I think it's a great
[5:40] option. Um I think it's a good way for
[5:42] people to get their feet wet with EVs,
[5:45] right? Instead of where the government's
[5:48] trying to shove EV down your throat.
[5:50] It's, you know, try out a hybrid. You
[5:52] can get much more range out of it. Um,
[5:55] you can drive in all electric if you
[5:56] want or you can just put it in gas.
[5:59] >> Yeah. And that's that I mean I'm glad
[6:01] you brought up the government because
[6:02] that's my biggest frustration with EVs
[6:05] is that
[6:06] >> it should be consumerdriven.
[6:07] >> Yes.
[6:08] >> And it's being forced upon by
[6:10] manufacturers. I know Justin, you
[6:12] studied it quite a bit, but I mean, we
[6:15] have to like Mercedes-Benz, for example,
[6:17] has to produce so many electric vehicles
[6:19] and so many hybrid vehicles to offset
[6:21] their carbon footprint to be able to
[6:23] produce the V8s that they do and the
[6:24] V12s. Correct.
[6:25] >> Correct. Yeah. I mean, it was almost a
[6:27] ratio. Uh, fortunately, we've kind of
[6:29] stepped away from it, but back in the
[6:30] day, you had the green levy taxes. You
[6:32] also had the rebates, Dayton, Dayton,
[6:34] you and I, when we're on the floor. But
[6:36] when you had the taxes, you had the
[6:38] rebates. Eventually they just started
[6:39] realizing that the dollar value isn't as
[6:42] effective. So they just basically said,
[6:43] "Look, if we want to create these V12s
[6:46] back then or the V8s and we had smart
[6:48] cars, it was almost for every S580 or
[6:51] back then 550 we had, you got a certain
[6:54] allocation of smart cars and then we saw
[6:56] the B-class come in in '05 06 um diesel
[7:00] technology came to North came back to
[7:02] the Canadian market. But it was always
[7:04] about that ratio game of making sure
[7:06] that we uh had our EPA at a certain
[7:08] point, made sure that uh obviously the
[7:10] emissions were there to keep everybody
[7:12] happy. But there there was some serious
[7:15] changes we saw in the post to 2020 with
[7:18] a diesel gate or whatever you call it.
[7:19] And that didn't necessarily just affect
[7:21] Mercedes-Benz, but it certainly affected
[7:24] everybody's, I guess, thought process
[7:26] when it came to diesel technology and
[7:28] and gas and going down to four
[7:30] cylinders electrification and
[7:32] obviously government's got themselves
[7:34] involved with it and that's that's their
[7:35] thing. But we're we're certainly dealing
[7:37] with it on the sales side, fixed side,
[7:39] uh the ramifications of it, and just
[7:40] trying to get the the point across of
[7:42] ICE, EV, hybrid technology. I mean, you
[7:46] nailed it. I actually see that hybrid
[7:48] technology
[7:50] based on where we're at, maybe in the
[7:53] prairies, but definitely in Canada. I'm
[7:56] finding ourselves, my wife, myself, you
[7:59] go from EV, and I love EV. I'm gas
[8:03] though. But hybrid's kind of where I'm
[8:06] finding my friends that were in an EV,
[8:08] they're leaning towards that because
[8:09] they see that, hey, if I want to make
[8:11] that additional stretch, I want to make
[8:13] that additional drive, I don't have to
[8:14] sit there and think it through as much.
[8:16] So, my 80% of my driving, especially
[8:19] with Mercedes-Benz where we could just
[8:20] drive in full electric mode,
[8:23] I find the people that have been or the
[8:25] people I've been talking to that have
[8:26] had the EVs, they're actually the ones
[8:28] that are exploring hybrid more than the
[8:31] ICE drivers that are considering EV but
[8:34] going into hybrid. So, it's we're in
[8:36] that weird bubble right now.
[8:38] >> Yeah. Uh I think that governments in
[8:41] general um have probably hindered the
[8:45] development of EVs
[8:46] >> 100%. Y
[8:47] >> uh I feel like their involvement is what
[8:50] has led EVs to be where they are from
[8:52] right now. I think incentivizing the
[8:54] purchase is of EVs I don't think was a
[8:56] wise choice. Uh and a lot I know a lot
[8:59] of people find that to be pretty
[9:00] controversial. But I think incentivizing
[9:02] people to drive consumer demand for EVs
[9:06] was not a wise choice because what
[9:07] ultimately ended up happening with most
[9:09] manufacturers that it created a sense of
[9:10] complacency where they weren't forced to
[9:13] make an EV that was generally affordable
[9:17] or feasible for people. They were
[9:18] basically selling the deal. So, you
[9:21] know, oh wow, you get a $12,000 rebate,
[9:23] $20,000 rebate, $25,000 rebate just for
[9:26] buying this EV, but we're going to
[9:28] charge you $75,000 for this EV. And the
[9:30] ICE equivalent for that same EV is like
[9:33] $45,000. So, you know, you're getting
[9:35] cars that are substandard lowquality
[9:38] products.
[9:39] >> Um, and I mean, sure, Tesla's done a lot
[9:41] for the EV industry, but they're
[9:42] lowquality product. And they were
[9:45] charging what they were for the vehicles
[9:47] because they had the government subsidy,
[9:49] particularly in the US, to be able to
[9:51] that enabled them to charge what they
[9:53] did for their cars. and you were seeing
[9:55] that it did not hold the same water when
[9:58] it came to resale, unless of course manu
[10:00] the government's got involved again and
[10:03] said, "Well, we're going to incentivize
[10:04] you for buying a used EV now." Right?
[10:07] And you're still seeing that in Canada
[10:09] right now. You're seeing that in BC and
[10:10] Quebec that they incentivize consumers
[10:13] for buying used EVs by saving them on
[10:15] taxation. Um, I think that's wrong. I
[10:18] think it's genuinely wrong. And I think,
[10:21] you know, the direction that
[10:22] Mercedes-Benz is going right now with
[10:23] the UCLA and the new GB platform with
[10:26] the EVs, I feel like that should have
[10:28] been how Mercedes-Benz stepped into the
[10:31] uh EV market. And I think it was foreign
[10:34] waters for a lot of people to begin with
[10:36] that a lot of people just did not
[10:37] realize um you know that
[10:41] >> the market was not looking for $200,000
[10:44] EVs uh you know EQS's and stuff like
[10:47] that and was not looking for these like
[10:49] spaceship looking cars just because you
[10:51] know Elon Musk made the Model S and then
[10:53] later on made this Model X and people
[10:55] were all of a sudden into this whole
[10:56] thing. I don't think that's what the
[10:58] market was looking for. I think they
[10:59] were trying to hitch themselves to that
[11:01] market and also capitalize on some of
[11:05] these incentives and rebates. And I'm
[11:07] not guilting Mercedes-Benz with this.
[11:09] I'm saying that it's every manufacturer
[11:11] was guilty of the same thing. But, uh,
[11:13] the new approach with the CLA and the
[11:15] GB, I think it's going to be a knock it
[11:16] out of the park success. And it's
[11:18] already showing its its stripes in other
[11:20] markets where they've released the
[11:21] vehicle. There's huge demand, way more
[11:23] demand for the EV than there is for the
[11:24] gas variant. Um, because that it just
[11:28] makes sense. I mean, if if I'm a
[11:30] customer that doesn't really care much
[11:32] about driving, that's looking just for
[11:35] transportation,
[11:36] um Jason Kamissa said it best, but I
[11:38] mean, an EV is the best solution just to
[11:41] get you around from mobility
[11:43] perspective. Are they fun? No. I
[11:45] definitely not. And I mean, we're
[11:47] reminded of that every time we do these
[11:48] drag races. And
[11:50] >> when we have to drag race EVs, it's like
[11:52] >> boring.
[11:53] >> Yeah. It's like shooting
[11:54] >> fast but boring.
[11:56] >> It is. Yeah. It's like shooting like
[11:57] shooting a movie with a bunch of minds.
[11:59] Like at the end of the day, it's it's
[12:00] kind of boring. Like it's a it's one of
[12:02] those old school silent movies that they
[12:04] used to have back in the day before they
[12:06] had audio, right? Where it was black and
[12:08] white and you had to make out what
[12:09] people were saying on the screen or it
[12:11] was written through with captions or you
[12:12] followed along in a book. That's how
[12:14] boring they can be. So they're not
[12:16] really designed for that. But as a
[12:17] commuter vehicle, they're fantastic. In
[12:19] the new CLA,
[12:21] you know where it's going to price out
[12:22] at in the mid60s for example. Everyone
[12:26] I'm talking to is crazy to get this
[12:28] vehicle. I mean, it's got over 800
[12:29] kilometers of range. It's in prices out
[12:31] in the mid60s. Um, it's got fantastic
[12:34] acceleration, wicked tech. It's it's
[12:37] awesome for that reason. I mean, is it
[12:39] my first choice of vehicle personally?
[12:41] No, because I want something that's
[12:43] going to have a little bit more
[12:44] emotional involvement, right? I know
[12:46] Justin has become a big fan of the EV
[12:48] and I know he's a big he's considering a
[12:50] UCLA.
[12:51] >> I've already put my name on one and you
[12:52] laughed at me. I mean, my favorite car
[12:54] I've ever owned is my EQS580.
[12:57] And don't get me wrong, I I've since
[13:00] switched to a C43, and it's a lot of
[13:01] fun. There's bang, it farts, it burps,
[13:03] it does everything you want it to do.
[13:05] And I mean, it is two totally different
[13:07] vehicles. You got a
[13:09] >> You got a much smaller, nimble sport
[13:12] AMG, and then you got the EQS, which is
[13:15] obviously chasing the S-Class
[13:17] demographic. It's
[13:18] >> heavy.
[13:18] >> Yeah. I mean, some people would say a
[13:20] boat, a yacht, whatever. I mean, it's a
[13:21] big vehicle, but the interior features,
[13:25] creature comforts, if I'm driving to
[13:26] Edmonton for hockey, whatever, it's it
[13:29] is by far and away my most enjoyed
[13:31] vehicle. Aesthetically, from the
[13:33] outside, maybe not. Interior-wise, I I
[13:36] can't find a vehicle that I've ever sat
[13:38] in that I just genuinely loved as much
[13:40] as the one I'm in. And I'm I'm super
[13:43] excited for the CLA. Mhm.
[13:45] >> When when we were sitting there, we we
[13:47] looked at the order guide and the thing
[13:48] came out. I threw it out to Mazin, our
[13:51] business partners, and said, "I'm going
[13:52] to get one." And Mazin laughed at me and
[13:54] I said, "You know what? I'm still going
[13:56] to get one." I mean,
[13:57] >> but you you you talked about driving to
[13:59] Edmonton. So, that's something when
[14:01] these EVs came out, the charging
[14:04] network, you know, was it up to
[14:07] standard? You know, you're So,
[14:08] Edmonton's three hours away. Yep. you
[14:10] know. So, what's it like going on a
[14:12] longer trip with a with the EV?
[14:14] >> Well, I mean, I don't consider Edmonton
[14:16] a long trip. Obviously, Masin's done LA,
[14:19] you've done Vancouver. I've done
[14:20] Pentictton a number of times, but and
[14:22] we'll get to those, but driving to
[14:24] Edmonton, generally speaking, whenever I
[14:26] go there, it's the dead of winter. I'm
[14:28] going up for
[14:29] >> hockey. I'm going up for the kids
[14:30] school. And
[14:32] getting up there is never an issue. It's
[14:35] you. If you're driving three hours to
[14:37] get there to watch a three-hour game and
[14:40] then you got to drive three hours back,
[14:41] unless you're making a night over it,
[14:42] that's where you got to get creative.
[14:44] And the the struggles I have is as you
[14:48] leave the major roadways, whether it be
[14:51] the TransCanada Highway, number two
[14:53] highway that turns into the 15, when you
[14:56] start leaving those major throughways,
[14:59] you start getting into a little bit more
[15:01] privatization of those those charging
[15:03] stations. So speaking to my trip to
[15:06] Edmonton, you you could stop in Red
[15:08] Mader. Obviously there's lots of
[15:10] charging stations there. There's food
[15:11] are all around. You can do your thing.
[15:12] But with our vehicles, it's easy to make
[15:14] it minus 25°.
[15:16] >> Whatever the conditions are, you can
[15:18] make it to Edmonton. But
[15:21] if you want to get those level like
[15:22] those 50k plus or or 100 kilowatt
[15:26] charging stations, in many cases, unless
[15:28] you go to the Electrify Canada, which is
[15:29] quite a bit off the beaten path, you
[15:31] don't want to go to the far west side of
[15:33] Edmonton. if you're going downtown. So,
[15:34] you make it to downtown, you have to
[15:36] stop in at one of the dealers, and if
[15:38] you get there at 7:00 for for a 7:30
[15:41] game, you don't realize that if that
[15:43] dealership's closed,
[15:45] >> so is the access to the charging
[15:46] station. So then you're sitting there in
[15:48] a panic going, "Well, I don't want to
[15:51] just put it on a regular or an 8
[15:53] kilowatt charging station that everybody
[15:55] has a level two charger because you're
[15:57] going to get maybe 15 20% back into it
[16:00] and you're going to be wandering around
[16:02] after the game trying to figure out what
[16:03] to do. So
[16:05] it's not that our vehicles aren't
[16:06] capable. It's that once you you leave
[16:09] those major thoroughways, it's very
[16:11] difficult to find something that you can
[16:13] rely on that you know is going to be not
[16:16] available but readily working and
[16:18] accessible.
[16:19] >> That's been my only frustration is when
[16:21] you when you're traveling and then yeah,
[16:23] there's there's chargers everywhere, but
[16:25] now I got to download an app for this
[16:26] charger. I got to download a different
[16:28] app for this charger and then you go and
[16:31] you got to preload it with money and
[16:32] then you get there and it doesn't work.
[16:34] And it's it I get why it can be
[16:36] frustrating for some people. Um having
[16:39] access to the Tesla charge network now
[16:42] is awesome, right? Superchargers and
[16:44] whatnot. But I think that was the
[16:46] biggest failure was the the actual
[16:48] charge network out there.
[16:50] >> Yeah. I that's was my greatest
[16:53] frustration particularly when we did the
[16:56] road trip to California. Uh, and it's
[16:58] amazing how much things have changed
[16:59] over time, but you know, this isn't like
[17:02] a anti-government podcast, right? So, I
[17:05] mean, but I do want to say that I think
[17:07] that the greatest limiting factor of
[17:09] people making the decision to buy an EV
[17:12] has nothing to do with the technology in
[17:13] the EV, has everything to do with the
[17:15] infrastructure. And where there's
[17:18] massive hypocrisy from governments is
[17:20] the fact that they will push and push
[17:23] and push the EVs and incentivize the
[17:25] EVs, but they'll do nothing to regulate
[17:27] the charging infrastructure.
[17:29] >> Nothing. They will have no involvement
[17:31] whatsoever. There is a ProCanada in
[17:34] Golden that since the day I started
[17:36] driving an EV has never worked. It's a
[17:38] 200 kowatt charger. It shows up on the
[17:40] network. It shows up as being available
[17:41] to to hook up to. It never works. I've
[17:44] went in and spoken to the people several
[17:46] times. I've put a complaint into Petra
[17:48] Canada about it and [clears throat]
[17:49] nothing. They've never fixed it.
[17:51] >> And then you're forced to use the
[17:53] Electrify Canada as you enter Golden. I
[17:55] mean, it's a 4-hour drive. It's about 3
[17:57] and a half from Calgary. Where do you go
[17:58] to the bathroom?
[17:59] >> You leave you leave at 6:00 in the
[18:01] morning. You get there at 10:00. The the
[18:03] restaurant, great restaurant there, but
[18:04] they don't open till till lunchtime.
[18:06] >> Yeah.
[18:07] >> And you're sitting there wondering what
[18:08] to do.
[18:09] >> Yeah. Well, and once again, there is no
[18:12] government force task force that
[18:16] enforces this. I mean, could you imagine
[18:18] if gas stations all of a sudden all had
[18:21] a problem and they couldn't pump gas
[18:23] anymore
[18:24] >> or you had to download a different app?
[18:25] >> Yeah.
[18:26] >> For every single gas station.
[18:27] >> But I mean, what would the government
[18:28] do? I mean, it would put the entire
[18:31] world in crisis. Like, the entire
[18:33] country would be in crisis. They would
[18:34] call, you know, the National Guard to
[18:37] come in and deal with it, right? But for
[18:39] EVs, they could care less. There's
[18:41] nobody to regulate it. And the funny
[18:43] thing is about this is that a lot of
[18:45] these charging stations actually
[18:46] received government subsidy to be
[18:48] produced.
[18:50] >> And yet the government doesn't do
[18:51] anything to regulate or enforce the fact
[18:54] that they have to be a reliable network
[18:56] to the people that are out there. Like
[18:58] literally, they'll leave you stranded.
[18:59] But at the same time, they're talking
[19:02] out of both sides of their mouth because
[19:03] they're telling you, "No, you should buy
[19:04] an EV and no, you've got to conform to
[19:07] these standards and you know, hey
[19:09] manufacturer, you got to produce so many
[19:10] different EVs so that you can make these
[19:12] V12s and and V8s and oh, your V8 V12s
[19:16] and V8s are too loud because, you know,
[19:18] you're putting out too many decibels for
[19:19] these EVs." But if you can't charge your
[19:22] EV, we're not going to do anything about
[19:24] it. That's your problem.
[19:26] >> Yeah.
[19:26] >> Right. I mean, it's completely
[19:28] backwards. It makes absolutely no sense.
[19:31] What's cool about it is because the
[19:33] infrastructure is so unreliable and I
[19:36] I'll be the first to say that it's so
[19:37] unreliable, particularly in North
[19:39] America, it has forced manufacturers to
[19:42] become much more innovative with driving
[19:44] range.
[19:44] >> Mhm.
[19:45] >> Um the new CLA having an over 800 km
[19:47] range is mind-blowing. I mean, it's so
[19:50] much greater than that of a gas
[19:52] equivalent that we've ever seen in a CLA
[19:54] 250 before.
[19:55] >> Yeah.
[19:55] >> Um so you're it's costing you less money
[19:57] to run it. It's costing less money for
[19:59] maintenance. Uh, and it's not priced a
[20:02] whole lot more than a gas CLA. But
[20:05] they're forced into doing that because
[20:06] they're trying to overcompensate for
[20:08] people's insecurities about the
[20:10] infrastructure. And so they're saying,
[20:12] well, you don't have to care about the
[20:13] infrastructure. Our car goes so far,
[20:15] you're going to plug in at some point. I
[20:16] mean, how many times are you going to
[20:18] drive over 800 km in a day? You're not.
[20:20] >> Well, not not in a single run.
[20:22] >> No.
[20:22] >> And I mean, it's not just the fact the
[20:24] CLA you can get so far. It's how fast
[20:26] it'll charge as well.
[20:27] >> Yeah. I mean, that is the one thing
[20:29] that's seriously lost in in
[20:32] conversation. It's how fast can you get
[20:34] back on the road in any of these.
[20:36] >> Yeah, it has 800 volt technology, right?
[20:38] >> 800 volt technology. Um, and and that's
[20:42] not really the only thing, but the new
[20:45] battery design, it actually has um a
[20:48] battery that for your primary usage
[20:51] where it'll charge at a slower rate, um
[20:54] it's it's a less expensive battery to
[20:56] produce. And then there's a a secondary
[20:58] component of the battery that is more
[21:00] costly to produce, but that's your core
[21:02] battery that you work off of. So it's
[21:03] almost like I don't want to call it a
[21:06] semi-olid state, but it would be similar
[21:07] to that idea, right? And that's how
[21:09] they're able to keep the cost down. And
[21:11] I think that that's going to get to be a
[21:13] lot more innovative as time goes along.
[21:16] And my god, like when they figure out
[21:17] semi-olid state, being able to make it
[21:19] affordable,
[21:21] you know, as much as I love gas
[21:22] vehicles, I can't see a future for them
[21:24] at that point because you're dealing
[21:26] with this UCLA
[21:28] where it's got over 800 km of range um
[21:31] on where where it is from right now for
[21:34] today. What's going to happen when it
[21:36] starts breaking 1,000 km of range and uh
[21:39] it starts charging in 5 minutes instead
[21:41] of 8 minutes to put 320 km in like it
[21:43] does right now? I mean, it's going to
[21:45] get to the point that,
[21:47] >> you know, filling up your car, which if
[21:50] you've owned an EV, becomes an
[21:52] inconvenience. You have to actually fill
[21:54] up your car at a gas station, uh, where
[21:56] you could just plug it in at home or
[21:57] plug it in at work, that's more
[21:59] convenient, just like your cell phone.
[22:01] >> But when you get to the point that
[22:04] filling that battery takes less time
[22:06] than filling your fuel tank, it's game
[22:08] changer.
[22:09] >> Yeah, big game changer. And it sucks for
[22:11] guys like myself that really do love gas
[22:14] vehicles. Um, I do feel like I'd love to
[22:18] have the fight and put up the fight that
[22:19] there's going to be a place for gas
[22:20] vehicles long term. Uh, I think that
[22:23] we're of a dying breed that is going to,
[22:27] you know, and a very small part of the
[22:30] market that still will love and enjoy
[22:33] the the gas vehicles. Um,
[22:35] >> well, when they first launched these
[22:36] EVs, everyone made the the assumption,
[22:39] the joke, I mean, you and I see it on
[22:40] the on the showroom floors where it was
[22:42] you're going to have your your everyday
[22:44] gas vehicles and the EV will be our
[22:47] weekender vehicle where they can just
[22:49] putt around, but it's actually going to
[22:50] see a total reverse
[22:52] >> where it's going to be
[22:53] >> and and that's what I talked about with
[22:55] the whole hybrid thing is
[22:57] >> if if I end up going with the current
[23:00] generation GLC hybrid or the current
[23:02] generation GLE hybrid,
[23:05] You can drive in electric mode 75 80
[23:08] kilometers depending on conditions which
[23:10] is 95% of our daily commutes. That's all
[23:13] we would do. You can still charge it at
[23:15] your destinations. But on those times
[23:17] when you want to go on a long road trip,
[23:19] you're just going to drive in gas mode
[23:20] and use the hybrid technology. But to
[23:22] what you're saying, we're going to start
[23:24] seeing people that are going to, I
[23:27] guess, reluctantly convert buy the EVs.
[23:30] But hopefully going back to that whole
[23:33] EPA standard and the ratio, if you have
[23:35] all these now electric vehicles in
[23:37] there, now you can really start seeing
[23:39] the the AMG and you can start seeing all
[23:41] these brands say, "Okay, let's bring
[23:43] back the big boys, the big V12s or
[23:46] whatnot." And that'll be the weekend
[23:48] cruisers. That'll be the the go out and
[23:49] have some fun.
[23:50] >> And I think that that that's an
[23:52] optimistic approach. And I hope you're
[23:54] right. I don't think you are.
[23:56] >> Yeah. Uh I think ultimately what's going
[23:58] to happen is the threshold is going to
[24:00] become narrower and what they're going
[24:02] to say is the regulation in terms of the
[24:04] amount is going to become a smaller and
[24:06] smaller percent and we're going to get
[24:08] to probably be that and once again it's
[24:10] government involvement. It's starting to
[24:12] really sound like an anti-government
[24:13] podcast but it's going to be government
[24:14] involvement and it's it's going to come
[24:16] down to the point that they're going to
[24:18] regulate at some point. could be as soon
[24:20] as a decade from now. Um where they're
[24:23] going to say you can't produce any. Like
[24:25] in order for you to have any vehicle
[24:28] that burns a drop of gas, you've got to
[24:30] pay this insane gas guzzler tax to be
[24:33] able to use that vehicle.
[24:34] >> I could see that. I could see that. And
[24:36] there's also more there's like synthetic
[24:38] fuels that are coming out F1 next year,
[24:40] right? Moving to synthetic fuels. So
[24:42] it's going to be interesting to see what
[24:44] happens on the gas front. Yeah, it's
[24:47] going to become very similar to um
[24:52] I guess the processed mainstream food
[24:55] that's really cheap to produce, like
[24:56] when you go through a McDonald's
[24:58] drive-thru, is going to be your EVs. And
[25:00] the really expensive high-end type of
[25:02] delicacies that are very expensive to
[25:05] produce and require a lot of butters and
[25:07] spices and stuff to to make are going to
[25:10] be your gas vehicles. And eventually gas
[25:12] vehicles are going to be exclusive to
[25:15] people having fun with weekend toys.
[25:18] >> Um much the same as a jet. If you own a
[25:21] private jet, it is one of the most
[25:24] environmentally inefficient
[25:27] and financially inefficient ways to
[25:29] travel. It really is if you own a
[25:31] private jet, but for a lot of people,
[25:34] they will not give up that private jet.
[25:36] And we have clients with private jets
[25:37] and they'll not fly on anything else.
[25:40] But
[25:42] it is reserved to people of that level
[25:44] of affluence and I feel like uh gas
[25:47] vehicles are going to end up going that
[25:49] direction and this is a last of an era
[25:52] and I mean I want to enjoy it for as
[25:54] much as possible. I mean Justin has
[25:58] is arguably less of a car guy than I am
[26:00] and which is why he's jumping into the
[26:02] CLA. He prefers the CLA electric. He
[26:04] prefers uh you know the technology and
[26:07] the newest and the latest and greatest
[26:08] which is pretty neat. Uh, I'm going the
[26:10] opposite direction. I'm going to go with
[26:11] a CLA45S final edition because that is
[26:15] an exciting, fun, pocket rocket of a car
[26:19] and cars are only getting bigger because
[26:21] people are getting bigger and so it's
[26:24] kind of hard to find something that's
[26:25] that small. And a CLA 45s today is not
[26:28] that small by comparison to what cars
[26:30] were 10, 15 years ago.
[26:32] >> But they're only going to get bigger.
[26:34] Like the new CLA electric is bigger than
[26:36] the current CLA. And uh so you know for
[26:39] me getting into something that's
[26:40] lightweight, small, makes some noise,
[26:43] has some fun is a little bit more
[26:46] enjoyable on that level makes me feel a
[26:48] little bit younger for a little bit
[26:49] longer. And uh and that's probably why I
[26:53] want to get back into that. I mean, I've
[26:54] been driving this EQS AMG now uh for
[26:57] almost a couple years and
[27:00] I am really struggling to love it today,
[27:04] you know. Um, so
[27:07] >> I love my
[27:08] >> I just love it.
[27:09] >> Yeah. See, and I'm struggling to love
[27:11] this thing from today. Part of the
[27:12] reason is it's huge. I don't like the
[27:14] size. Um, you know, I I do like large
[27:17] cars from time to time for a bit of a
[27:20] drive, but on the day-to-day commute, I
[27:21] don't like feeling like I'm driving an
[27:23] 18-wheeler through a parking lot and uh
[27:26] looking for a parking stall that fits
[27:28] that car when I it's usually just me in
[27:30] the car. So, I like small cars. Um, the
[27:33] second thing though is I find the whole
[27:37] performance EVs thing to be a bit of an
[27:40] oxymor. You know, it's it's it's kind of
[27:43] a struggle to have these vehicles that
[27:46] pipe in this fake sound and give you
[27:48] this fake experience to tell you that
[27:50] you're driving something that's really
[27:52] high performance and
[27:54] >> is going to be engaging. I think Hyende
[27:56] did a fantastic job with the Ionic N.
[27:59] Um,
[28:00] >> very cool. really really cool.
[28:02] >> It has all the shifts and the revs and
[28:04] everything.
[28:04] >> Well, and that's funny you brought up
[28:05] the shifts because I think that's the
[28:06] biggest thing that's lacking with an EV
[28:08] is is the lack of a transmission.
[28:11] >> And apparently AMG does have some really
[28:13] cool technology that's coming out in the
[28:15] CLA
[28:17] electric AMG version, right? It's going
[28:19] to be like that, but it's their own
[28:20] patent and everything and it's supposed
[28:22] to have your own shift patterns and
[28:23] everything. So, that could be really
[28:25] exciting.
[28:25] >> Well, in the absence of noise
[28:27] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[28:28] >> And the absence of the shifting, the
[28:30] kids get car sick so fast. And I mean,
[28:33] it's wild because again, I've been
[28:34] driving the C43 now for a couple months
[28:36] and when I'm driving them around, it's
[28:39] just back to normal. But then when they
[28:40] jump in our EQS that we still have,
[28:43] they're instantly not used to the fact
[28:46] that it's silent.
[28:47] >> Yeah.
[28:47] >> Obviously, you have the you have to put
[28:49] the noise in to help out, but the lack
[28:52] of shift and the the instant performance
[28:54] that you get, it throws them off. And I
[28:57] mean, for me, I love the EV only because
[29:00] I'm lazy, admittedly. Like, it's it's
[29:03] not I'm not doing it to to save anyone
[29:05] or to save the environment. Shame on me.
[29:07] It's I'm just lazy. And the fact that I
[29:10] could charge it overnight and I can get
[29:12] in the car and go. I mean, that's
[29:14] probably the the worst way to look at an
[29:16] EV, but that's just the truth. I mean,
[29:20] that's that's the only reason.
[29:21] >> I think that's the best part of an EV.
[29:23] That's what I love the most. you plug it
[29:25] in and then every morning you have a
[29:27] full tank of gas.
[29:28] >> But that's not the design of it. That's
[29:29] not They're not sitting there saying,
[29:30] "How can we make it more convenient for
[29:32] our buyers?" It's it's supposed to be
[29:34] mutually beneficial. But selfishly, I
[29:37] just do it because that's how I want to
[29:40] go. That's I do it for me. And
[29:41] >> it's nice not having to go to a gas
[29:43] station.
[29:44] >> Yeah. I mean, that was the benefit when
[29:46] we did the road trip to California. Um,
[29:49] one of the greatest strengths was when
[29:51] you stay at a hotel, which we planned
[29:52] all of our stays to be at hotels that
[29:54] had EV chargers, is that I'm an early
[29:56] riser. I'd have the car packed ready to
[29:58] go. The kids would wake up, feed them
[30:00] breakfast, and we our first stop is not
[30:02] for over 3 hours, which was really great
[30:05] about driving the EV on that road trip.
[30:08] Um, also, you always had something to do
[30:11] when we were stopped, right? Because the
[30:14] kids always want to get out. you know,
[30:16] the dog wanted to go do its business and
[30:19] so you could fill that time while you
[30:20] were waiting for it to charge. Um, so
[30:23] there there there was benefits to it and
[30:25] yeah, there is a component to to an EV
[30:28] that does deliver some convenience, but
[30:30] for the most part, given the
[30:33] infrastructure from a road trip
[30:34] perspective, it is more inconvenient
[30:36] than it is convenient, right? And I
[30:38] mean, you went on your own in the G
[30:39] Wagon in the G580 and you weren't
[30:42] traveling with a family. So,
[30:44] >> no, it was just me, cameraman, um,
[30:47] Calgary to Vancouver, and we use the
[30:49] Tesla network, right? Superchargers. It
[30:52] was easy. It was easy.
[30:54] >> You almost didn't make it.
[30:56] >> Uh, well, that's Yeah, that's not the
[30:58] car's fault. Um, that was uh some uh
[31:01] construction on the road where we had to
[31:02] take a detour. I thought it was a great
[31:04] video, but um that Tesla charger with
[31:08] that G Wagon, you know, there was I
[31:09] remember we pulled into Hope with like
[31:11] 4% battery and we're like we're going to
[31:13] miss our flight and that thing was
[31:15] charging up to I think 190 kW. Um and
[31:19] you know, we go in, we uh went to the
[31:22] bathroom real quick and then next thing
[31:23] you know, you come out and we had like
[31:25] 40% battery. We're like, let's get on
[31:27] the road. Let's go. It was it was uh it
[31:29] was impressive. It was a good road trip.
[31:32] Um,
[31:32] >> but you know what when you're talking
[31:34] about this and what you experienced on
[31:35] your road trip per se, what you didn't
[31:38] experience uh that I also did not
[31:40] experience on the road trip to LA, but
[31:43] that did change later on. I'll get to
[31:44] that in a second, is showing up to a
[31:47] charger where they're full
[31:48] >> and you have nowhere to plug in and
[31:50] you're waiting for somebody to get off
[31:51] that charger to get in, which is also
[31:54] adding to further inconvenience. And so,
[31:56] um, when we did the road trip to LA, we
[31:59] were very fortunate that I never ran
[32:00] into that scenario. And that was in 2023
[32:04] when there was a lot less EVs on the
[32:05] road. And the emergence of EVs was
[32:07] starting to take place at that point.
[32:09] And so, we we um we didn't really ever
[32:13] pull up and have that situation. I the
[32:15] very next year we were back in LA. We
[32:18] flew in and at LAX they had a really
[32:20] really cool I can't remember what EV it
[32:23] was but it had just come out and I said,
[32:25] "Oh yeah, I'll take that as an upgrade."
[32:28] And the guy at the rental counter goes,
[32:30] "Man, you you don't want a EV."
[32:33] What do you mean you don't want a EV?
[32:34] Goes, "Oh, like you know how bad the
[32:36] wait times are here for the EVs? Like
[32:38] you're gonna be waiting to charge that
[32:40] car every single day? Like it's so
[32:42] busy."
[32:43] >> [snorts]
[32:43] >> they had had so many EVs and so much
[32:45] success with the sale of EVs in that
[32:48] window of time, you know, in that one
[32:50] year that had lapsed that there was way
[32:52] too many EVs on the road than there was
[32:54] chargers. And so
[32:56] if you don't have home charging in that
[32:58] scenario, it was a major inconvenience.
[33:00] And I was very grateful that that guy
[33:02] gave me that sound advice cuz
[33:04] >> right by my in-laws place, I went by
[33:06] those same chargers that we used to use
[33:07] when we were charging the EQS during
[33:09] those times. And there was a lineup onto
[33:11] the street every single day. And you
[33:15] know, that's that's the big thing. In
[33:17] order for EVs to really progress to the
[33:19] level of where ICE is going to end up
[33:21] being, which I think is going to happen
[33:22] fairly quickly cuz the candles burning
[33:24] at both ends, they're going to have to
[33:26] get to that. Um, you know,
[33:28] >> well, the irony of all this is when we
[33:31] first started this project and you guys
[33:33] had the vision for all this, our first
[33:36] video the three of us did was the
[33:38] S-Class versus the EQS versus the S
[33:41] hybrid.
[33:42] >> And I rocked the S hybrid. You had the
[33:44] EQS.
[33:45] >> Had the gas.
[33:46] >> You had the gas. and to to watch not not
[33:49] your despise or hatred, but to to see
[33:53] how you've evolved back to being your
[33:55] true car self and how much you missed
[33:58] the ice and you were selling us so hard
[34:00] on your your EQS. And ironically, you
[34:03] you put me into an EQS 2 years ago. I
[34:05] end up falling in love with the car. But
[34:07] I mean, I
[34:09] there's there's no secret our next
[34:11] family car is going to be either that
[34:13] GLE hybrid or the GLC hybrid until the
[34:16] allnew GLC electric comes out. And
[34:18] again, selfishly, I'll be in that CLA.
[34:20] It's just it's funny that how we started
[34:22] this almost 3 years ago was you were
[34:26] actually showcasing the EQS. I stuck to
[34:29] the the hybrid and you were in the ice,
[34:31] Chris. So, it's it's neat that 3 years
[34:34] later to see how you feel about it and
[34:37] and and true life situations. It's a
[34:40] very neat situation you put yourself in.
[34:42] >> Yeah. I I think I think you know I have
[34:45] a lot of respect and appreciation for
[34:47] EVs and I and I think that there's no
[34:50] doubt in my mind no matter how much I
[34:52] want to fight it that they will take
[34:54] over because as much as I may like gas
[34:57] vehicles today the next generation could
[34:59] care less. Right. Yeah. I mean my eldest
[35:03] daughter 11 years old taught her how to
[35:05] drive a manual transmission. She's
[35:07] excited about it. She's miss anti-EV
[35:10] loves the sound of the exhaust
[35:12] everything else. My second child could
[35:14] care less. She would rather be
[35:16] chauffeurred if she could be right. And
[35:17] that's really the
[35:18] >> self-driving car.
[35:20] >> Self-driving, you know. And I mean that
[35:21] that's the next generation. The reality
[35:23] is is that they are desensitized in
[35:25] general to what's what's going on that's
[35:27] out there is this next generation could
[35:30] could care less for the
[35:31] >> I joked with my son that when he turns
[35:33] 16 in a couple months he's going to get
[35:35] an EV and he was pissed.
[35:36] >> Yeah. He wants a gas car.
[35:39] >> Yeah, but that's he's he's not the norm.
[35:42] The norm is is they want to have uh
[35:44] >> they care more about the tech and uh
[35:47] it's like a phone inside, right?
[35:49] >> Well, and the amount of kids that are
[35:51] being pushed all the time and friends of
[35:53] mine that their kids are now getting
[35:54] their driver old enough to have their
[35:56] driver's license that they don't want to
[35:57] go get it. They don't they don't want to
[36:00] get their driver's license. they'd
[36:01] rather just take the bus or if they have
[36:02] the one friend that drives or they take
[36:04] an Uber, to them a car is an
[36:06] inconvenience, right? So, it's it's it's
[36:09] it's a lack of of having an interest to
[36:12] begin with. And um you look at what's
[36:15] happening in places like Japan, for
[36:16] example, right? They're they're
[36:18] struggling for, you know, those
[36:20] teenagers to actually have sexual
[36:24] relations with one another. It's true.
[36:26] It's an actual known fact. Like,
[36:28] >> how do we get to that? But it's true
[36:30] because they're more sensit they're so
[36:32] desensitized at this point that they're
[36:34] more stimulated by video games and
[36:36] virtual and things along that line. And
[36:39] they say that that does foretell the
[36:41] future of what's going on out there. And
[36:42] it's the same thing with auto with these
[36:44] cars at the end of the day like they
[36:46] don't care about having the feeling of a
[36:48] transmission or the sound or whatever it
[36:50] is. They just want to get there.
[36:51] >> Mhm.
[36:51] >> Right. And um you know, I mean, not to
[36:55] keep going down the sexual path of
[36:57] things, but that's my struggle with the
[36:59] EVs in general, especially when we run
[37:01] them at the dragstrip. Having a lack of
[37:03] transmission is is a is a real problem
[37:06] for me. Like I don't like that feeling
[37:09] of not having a transmission overall. Um
[37:12] >> so you've lost your complete sex drive
[37:14] with two EQs in your car.
[37:16] >> Yeah. Well, complete. You know what it
[37:17] is? It's I was thinking about it the
[37:18] other day. I was like, man, you know,
[37:19] when you punch this this EV and you go
[37:21] full out, it just gets to this point
[37:23] where it just has this like power peak
[37:25] and it just stays there and you're just
[37:26] perpetually ex accelerating with no
[37:29] additional feeling or sound and it's
[37:30] just the numbers are going up.
[37:32] >> I mean, you have 700 plus horsepower,
[37:34] but none of us feel bad for you right
[37:36] now. No, no, but it's not it's not it's
[37:38] not enough to give you the feeling
[37:40] overall like you need that sense of
[37:42] satisfaction, that sense of completion
[37:43] that's you know coming to the next, you
[37:46] know,
[37:47] >> gear,
[37:47] >> arriving to the next gear, getting to
[37:49] the next one above that, kicking down a
[37:51] transmission. You want that feeling. You
[37:53] want those pops and bangs.
[37:55] >> And for me, maybe it's a bit of
[37:56] nostalgia. You know, I can be I love old
[37:59] cars, too. So, for me, I'm still hung up
[38:02] on to that. But there's no denying the
[38:05] fact that, you know, EVs are going to
[38:08] end up taking over because ultimately in
[38:10] the Dave, nobody cares enough about it,
[38:12] right? So, you know, Justin's a huge
[38:15] watch guy. You love the intricacies of a
[38:18] fancy watch, but most people just want
[38:19] to tell time.
[38:21] >> Most expensive part of a watch is its
[38:23] movement.
[38:24] >> Yeah, it's true. And just like for us, I
[38:27] might be I might be a big car guy,
[38:30] right? But I'm not a watch geek. And
[38:31] that's why I have a smartwatch. And
[38:32] that's why you have a smartwatch because
[38:34] we don't want to just tell time. We want
[38:36] to know what our heart rate's at and
[38:37] who's sending a text message and an
[38:39] email.
[38:40] >> So, you like the moving parts of a gas
[38:41] vehicle.
[38:43] >> I like the simplicity of the EV. You
[38:45] like the simplicity of a smartwatch. I
[38:47] like the moving parts. And you're the
[38:48] technician.
[38:49] >> Yeah.
[38:50] >> Yeah.
[38:50] >> Yeah. I I I could go with an EV as a
[38:54] daily. It's a great daily car like you
[38:56] were saying, right? But then on the
[38:58] weekend, have a nice gas gas motor,
[39:01] something to rip around in.
[39:03] >> Yeah, I think you're making a very valid
[39:05] point. When you're stuck in traffic,
[39:07] >> you'd rather just have your back
[39:08] massaged, not hear a thing, listen to us
[39:11] on a podcast, for example.
[39:13] >> But you don't care about the downshift.
[39:16] You don't care if you've got 500, 700,
[39:18] 200 horsepower. You just want to be warm
[39:20] on that cold morning getting to work and
[39:23] comfortable.
[39:23] >> And then on the weekend, have something
[39:25] fun.
[39:25] >> Yeah.
[39:26] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's I think that's
[39:27] where it's going to end up going. Um you
[39:30] know we should talk about maybe on the
[39:32] next time we'll have a conversation
[39:33] about how much EVs have have had a
[39:36] positive influence on performance and
[39:39] >> e performance
[39:40] >> e performance in particular. That's
[39:41] maybe a whole another topic that we need
[39:42] to uh to address at some point. But uh
[39:46] you know the C63 for example, Ferrari
[39:49] 296
[39:51] things you know they got really shot
[39:53] down to begin with because of the
[39:54] anti-Eness overall. But we need to talk
[39:57] about how awesome of a vehicle that they
[39:59] are.
[40:00] >> Well the 53s you've been driving on the
[40:02] track 53 performance
[40:04] >> of the future what's coming out next
[40:05] with AMG. It's it's incredible.
[40:08] >> Yeah that's the next topic that we need
[40:09] to talk about. Well we need the viewers
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[40:12] What do they want to hear? So, I'm
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