[0:00] MP. Sweet. I I wanted to pick your brain
[0:02] a bit because we have the gnome only
[0:04] molten core coming up on Thursday. We
[0:06] have a miracle. We have 39 signups. I
[0:09] can't believe it. So, it's actually
[0:10] going to happen. Um, but I would I
[0:13] wanted to I mean, I guess there's a
[0:15] couple things, but like we have we have
[0:17] an edges or two in our guild and I was
[0:19] trying to figure out if it's worth
[0:21] actually using them or if we are using
[0:22] them, who to put them on. Um, our
[0:25] warlocks are playing an imp build where
[0:29] we have low threat and rogues normally
[0:31] pull threat and mages normally pull
[0:32] threat. So, in terms of threat, it's
[0:34] like other warriors, which I'm really
[0:35] nervous about. And in terms of like
[0:38] metag game, our warriors are all kind of
[0:40] having to play deep pro just for
[0:42] effective HP. So, our threat is just
[0:44] like it's just a lot different than it
[0:46] would be in a normal raid. So, I I kind
[0:47] of want to hear your take on edges,
[0:49] where to use them or like strats and
[0:51] stuff like that.
[0:54] Um,
[0:56] I don't think you have to play deep
[0:57] brought, especially on main tank.
[0:59] >> Okay,
[0:59] >> you don't need to. You could probably
[1:01] play fury pro.
[1:03] >> Okay.
[1:04] >> Um, like if you So, like, I'm thinking
[1:06] about this. The the warriors are
[1:10] probably going to have threat problems.
[1:12] I turned them up as high as he can
[1:13] tanking,
[1:14] >> then it doesn't matter. Uh the edge
[1:16] masters
[1:18] if you go fury are much better for the
[1:20] fury tank, but if they're playing deep
[1:21] pro, they don't need it.
[1:24] >> That was kind of my thought process.
[1:26] They're playing
[1:26] >> mostly the biggest thing is offhand,
[1:29] right? It helps your off hand so much,
[1:30] >> right? Okay. I don't think we're going
[1:32] to have any warriors play deep or uh
[1:36] fury pro just cuz the shield I think we
[1:38] always want on for shield wall. Like so
[1:40] the the main tank is really only going
[1:43] to be tanking as long as shield walls up
[1:44] until we have another tank to take over.
[1:47] We have enough warriors for 100% shield
[1:49] wall up time. So the person taking hits
[1:52] should never be using an off hand is
[1:53] kind of my thought process. Does that
[1:56] make sense?
[1:57] >> Yeah, maybe. I mean,
[2:01] if you had a cracked healing set, you
[2:04] take like, I don't know, like 400 damage
[2:08] per second as a tank and like dual wheel
[2:11] on like a Magmodar or something. It's
[2:13] not too crazy. So,
[2:17] you might be fine. It would be scary,
[2:18] but you might be fine with a diamond
[2:20] flask to like last stand, open with dual
[2:23] wield, death wish, and then throw in a
[2:25] shield after like 20 seconds. And then
[2:27] that would that would help threat for
[2:29] the rest of the tanks,
[2:31] >> right? Because they can taunt off that
[2:32] threat lead.
[2:33] >> So I think that could be a play the one
[2:35] but only one probably. Uh the the cool
[2:38] thing about fury prot 2 is while they're
[2:40] not tanking.
[2:43] Like I like deep prot, but what are you
[2:45] actually getting for survivability? It's
[2:47] 6second shield wall, right? That's it.
[2:49] >> Well, the the extra shield wall is
[2:51] massive, but you can maybe make a fury
[2:52] prop build with it anyway. But my
[2:54] thought process is like every hit like
[2:57] so I'm just thinking about like
[2:58] effective HP, right? Every hit with a
[3:00] shield wand is going to be a little less
[3:01] which is like kind of like getting a
[3:03] little bit of a heal. So like I I don't
[3:06] know. My thought process was like we
[3:08] always want our the person tanking the
[3:10] boss with shield wall and a shield on
[3:13] and we're just kind of spamming taunt
[3:15] mocking blow AOE taunt into another
[3:17] taunt. to like threat. We're just
[3:18] spamming taunt and then we have a new
[3:21] warrior pick up and then do taunt,
[3:23] mocking blow, AOE taunt, normal taunt,
[3:24] and then a new tank pickup. So, we just
[3:26] we just don't take damage on our tank
[3:28] essentially. But maybe maybe you have a
[3:31] better idea.
[3:33] >> I mean, in arenas, you know that
[3:35] sometimes dealing damage is more
[3:36] defensive than trying to mitigate it.
[3:39] >> Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So, the way
[3:42] I'm thinking right now, I don't know if
[3:43] this is true,
[3:44] >> okay?
[3:45] >> But if you put your warriors
[3:49] in full tank gear with at least like
[3:51] maybe not like full omega tanky gear,
[3:53] but plates,
[3:55] stamina, strength type stuff,
[3:57] >> right? No leather shoulders and stuff.
[3:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. If you put them on fury pro,
[4:02] if if someone's job is to only tank for
[4:04] 18 seconds with shield wall, the rest of
[4:06] the time they're like not going to do
[4:08] anything as pro. So if you have like off
[4:10] tanks and fury pro, they would be able
[4:11] to dual wield for like 30 or 40 seconds,
[4:14] which would like double their DPS.
[4:16] >> That's true.
[4:16] >> So So you like if you have like five
[4:19] fury pro tanks dual wielding, you're
[4:21] you're creating 2.5 DPS out of thin air,
[4:24] >> right?
[4:25] >> So like
[4:26] >> good point.
[4:27] >> I think the shield wall deepro thing
[4:31] might be a little too conservative. I
[4:34] think I'd be concerned about DPS.
[4:37] >> Okay. be something like
[4:39] >> like uh
[4:40] >> I guess I didn't mention but like the
[4:43] plan is really to just kill Lucy like
[4:46] first and I I'm thinking that fight is
[4:48] going to be with 40 DPS. It's going to
[4:50] be like 20 seconds or something. Maybe
[4:52] 30 probably under 30, right? Um it
[4:58] should be fast. It's more like I just
[5:00] I'm trying not to have anyone die here,
[5:01] right?
[5:02] >> Yeah. I'd be most concerned for the MC's
[5:05] because you don't have any purge. Um,
[5:09] we have Fell Hunter Purge.
[5:11] >> Oh,
[5:13] >> yeah.
[5:14] >> Oh, you do?
[5:14] >> We have Fell Hunter Dispel for Magic.
[5:17] So, like the strat I was thinking of for
[5:20] for M or for Lucy is we have most of our
[5:23] locks play fell hunter and we we pry the
[5:27] shadow damage dispel on our tanks.
[5:29] Everyone else sips a restoot. So it
[5:32] takes off the curse and magic. And then
[5:35] we have mages, you know, dispelling,
[5:37] too. And we just pump.
[5:39] >> No, no, no, no. You got to wait. Is fell
[5:42] hunter an offensive
[5:44] dispel?
[5:46] >> It's both. It can be either one.
[5:49] >> You should use it to dispel the MC, not
[5:50] the shadow debuff.
[5:52] >> Okay. I mean, we we have a lot of locks.
[5:55] Like, we're going to have like 10 locks,
[5:56] I think.
[5:56] >> Yeah.
[5:57] >> Um, that's a good point. Okay. You need
[6:00] you need to dispel every 4 seconds. You
[6:02] need more than two people.
[6:03] >> Okay.
[6:03] >> I don't know what the cool down is.
[6:04] >> It's 8 seconds, I think.
[6:07] >> Okay. And then like I think the next
[6:10] thing was just like trash. I mean I
[6:12] don't know. Is there any destroyers on
[6:13] the way to Is there one I think?
[6:16] >> No, not on Lucy.
[6:17] >> Not on Lucy. Okay.
[6:19] >> You're just doing one boss.
[6:21] >> Well, I mean Okay, we're gonna go in
[6:23] with 40 gnomes. Uh, we won't not like
[6:25] Okay, let me How do I say this and be as
[6:28] respectful as possible? Like, not
[6:31] everyone's going to be level 60. We're
[6:32] going to have some 55s.
[6:33] >> Oh, really? Okay.
[6:36] The situation, you guys.
[6:37] >> Okay, let me let me let me back up.
[6:38] >> I thought you guys had 40 40 gear to
[6:40] level 60.
[6:41] >> No, no, no. Let me let me back up. Let
[6:42] me back up. Let me back up. So, there's
[6:44] there's a lot. Okay, so we like it. It's
[6:48] a tall ask. Tall. It's a tall ask to get
[6:52] 40 gnomes that are self-found like to
[6:55] 60. We are guild found now at 60, but
[6:58] like you can only go guild found if
[6:59] you're selfound at 60. And uh we have
[7:03] right now 39 signups that are 55 plus.
[7:06] So not everyone's 60. Not everyone has
[7:09] great gear. And like everything is very
[7:13] limited since we're guild found. Like
[7:14] you know with Frontier, right? We can't
[7:15] just like use everything. So, not
[7:18] everyone has great gear. Like the not
[7:21] everyone's even going to be max level.
[7:22] We're going to be attuning people the
[7:23] morning of. Um, we So, we're kind of
[7:25] like scrapping this whole thing
[7:26] together.
[7:27] >> That's crazy. Okay.
[7:28] >> Oh, yeah. So, the goal is really we're
[7:29] going to go in and see if we can kill
[7:31] the first two molten giants, which I
[7:33] think we can, but if we wipe there,
[7:34] that's it. Like, you know, and then if
[7:36] we can kill the first two, we're going
[7:37] to slowly move in, deal with the
[7:39] annihilators, the surgers, fire lords,
[7:41] and I think there's core hounds, and
[7:42] then double molten giant packs, and
[7:44] that's kind of it. And then the imps,
[7:47] which I think we can deal with with with
[7:49] lips. We have lip in our guild. Um
[7:52] >> and then we we're gonna try Lucy.
[7:54] >> Yeah. So then there's the dog packs and
[7:56] then Lucy. So it's like if we can kill
[7:58] Lucy, we'll go to mag, but like the the
[8:00] goal is really like we're going to
[8:02] dungeon crawl it. You know what I mean?
[8:03] Like we're just going to do one thing at
[8:04] a time and see how far we can go.
[8:07] >> I
[8:09] I think um those molten giants are going
[8:11] to be really hard. Giants are going to
[8:13] be really hard. There's a real chance
[8:15] our raid ends after the first molten
[8:16] giants. I'm not trolling. Like we could
[8:18] we could die right there.
[8:19] >> I see it. There is a possibility. I mean
[8:23] like how many how many 60 tanks do you
[8:25] have though? Like thinking about this.
[8:28] >> 15 warriors signed up but a lot of them
[8:30] are like full of Kines. Um we have two
[8:33] we have one tank that's pretty much full
[8:34] PBIS. That's like the tank I've been
[8:36] running with. And Stingan I think Sting
[8:39] was in your killed, right? Stingan has
[8:41] like some pretty good gear too. Um, so
[8:44] we have we have like our other main tank
[8:47] ended up quitting, so that you know that
[8:48] happens. So we have like two tanks with
[8:51] some decent gear. May maybe like a third
[8:53] one with some decent gear, too. But like
[8:54] a lot of them are like pretty pretty
[8:56] subpar gear.
[8:57] >> Um, you might want to break out the void
[9:01] walkers.
[9:03] >> Okay.
[9:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. You might you might want to
[9:08] have like a void walker off tank kind of
[9:09] situation.
[9:11] >> Yeah. That sounds so scary.
[9:14] >> Yeah, I Dude, I know. I' I've been
[9:16] trying like I'm thinking like, okay,
[9:19] worst case scenario, there's like six
[9:21] trash pulls before the imps or something
[9:24] like we can Okay, so side note, I was
[9:27] going to do Ghennis cuz Ghennis I think
[9:28] is going to be easier.
[9:30] >> But core hounds respawn until you kill
[9:33] mag. And I I think cors hounds spawn
[9:36] every 8 minutes. I think they're going
[9:37] to spawn on us.
[9:38] >> It's 15 minutes for core hounds.
[9:40] >> 15. I mean, we could get too.
[9:43] Don't do it.
[9:44] >> Yeah, I think Lucy. Yeah, let's do Lucy.
[9:46] Okay.
[9:48] >> I actually think Ghennis
[9:50] >> will kill at least five people. You take
[9:52] so much damage on that fight and like
[9:54] traditional things won't work cuz uh
[9:57] like you're probably going to be perma
[9:59] cursed. I mean, you guys maybe have a
[10:01] lot of mages.
[10:02] >> Uh we have I mean, I can show you our
[10:05] roster. Like I said, it's it's more
[10:07] about it's not really a roster. It's
[10:09] more just like
[10:10] >> what we have that's signed up.
[10:12] >> We have uh three tanks, 12 DPS warriors,
[10:15] but I'm, you know, a lot of them will
[10:16] probably end up be just shield while
[10:17] tanking. We have six rogues, seven
[10:19] mages, and 10 warlocks.
[10:22] >> That's not that bad.
[10:23] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a decent
[10:24] spread. Yeah. Um but yeah, in terms of
[10:27] the strategy, like so we we full cleared
[10:30] ubers, you know, we killed Dra. Um, and
[10:33] we did the like, you know, uh, we had
[10:35] two warriors. We had shield wall taunt
[10:37] like kind of swap situation.
[10:40] Um, actually Chomper, you know, Chomper.
[10:43] >> Yeah.
[10:44] >> Chomper ended up dying cuz he didn't
[10:45] want to take uh, cellound off and we
[10:47] couldn't give him a GFP and I I told him
[10:49] like a 100 times you're going to die
[10:51] without a GFP and he got conf flagged
[10:53] and died like so that sucked. So yeah,
[10:56] we lost Chomper too which was brutal for
[10:58] us. Um, warrior Yeah. Yeah. He was
[11:04] trying to main tank uh the can flag with
[11:06] no GFP and no healer and he died just
[11:09] like I don't know. I don't know.
[11:13] Shouldn't be laughing, but it was it was
[11:14] brutal. It was brutal.
[11:17] >> I feel bad for laughing.
[11:18] >> Why you guys are screwed?
[11:20] >> No, don't tell me that.
[11:21] >> I'll watch on Thursday.
[11:22] >> Don't tell me I were screwed. I I was
[11:24] I've been calling you for
[11:26] >> 12:30 PST.
[11:28] >> I'll be there.
[11:29] >> I'll be there.
[11:32] Thanks. Thanks for the confidence, Ampy.
[11:35] I'm like, okay, so I mean really, I'm
[11:38] thinking we go to Lucy. We try to kill
[11:40] Lucy. That's the raid, right? If it's
[11:42] somehow really easy, we could go to Mag.
[11:43] I'm thinking like for the for the imps,
[11:45] >> oh, Mag dies.
[11:47] >> Yeah,
[11:48] >> if you can kill Lucy, you can kill Mag.
[11:50] >> But we have to have like zero deaths cuz
[11:52] we have no replacements. So if we have
[11:53] if we kill Lucy with eight deaths
[11:55] between the trash and Lucy, then we, you
[11:57] know, we're at down to the 30 nos. So
[12:00] That is true.
[12:03] >> Yeah, that's
[12:05] >> But we Okay, for imps, we have uh you
[12:08] know, we pull we pull imps just like
[12:10] normal. We AoE taunt lip into a second
[12:12] AoE taunt lip. You think that's fine for
[12:14] the imp?
[12:14] >> They'll be dead before the second AoE.
[12:16] >> Okay. So, just one AoE taunt lip. We
[12:18] move in, we kill the searcher.
[12:20] >> Um,
[12:20] >> they don't do anything if you have GP
[12:22] on, you know.
[12:24] >> Okay,
[12:24] >> it's fine. Okay,
[12:25] >> those things are I'd be concerned I'd be
[12:28] really concerned about um the giant
[12:31] packs.
[12:31] >> Okay,
[12:32] >> and then we have prefab for the core
[12:35] hounds.
[12:36] >> Maybe like a core hound.
[12:37] >> Okay, prefab for the core hounds.
[12:39] >> Warhound is a little
[12:41] >> Oh, you don't
[12:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[12:45] >> Um
[12:46] have you looked at all the core hound
[12:48] options like know all the answers to
[12:50] everything?
[12:51] >> I mean I thought you just fapped on the
[12:52] core hounds. I mean that's that's what I
[12:55] know.
[12:55] >> Yeah, you could do that.
[12:56] >> No, no, I don't want like could do that.
[12:57] I just like trying to figure out like
[12:59] exactly
[13:00] >> you're rolling the dice if you're all in
[13:02] range. You're rolling the dice on losing
[13:04] people every core hound if you only fap.
[13:07] You should you should have at least one
[13:09] person on the aggro table out of range
[13:12] of ancient despair cuz then the whole
[13:14] raid gets blinded and if they resist it,
[13:17] they get aggro. Um
[13:19] >> Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
[13:20] >> Really afraid of that.
[13:22] >> I forgot about that.
[13:23] that
[13:24] >> you you don't have dispel. You you have
[13:25] dispel. What you could do is use a fell
[13:28] hun. Maybe fell hunters have a higher
[13:30] chance of resisting it. You just have
[13:32] fell hunters in. You do no DPS until the
[13:35] it shows what it is. That's probably
[13:37] fine. And if you have a lot of fell
[13:38] hunters, then you can just dispel the
[13:40] tank.
[13:40] >> You're supposed to be like really like
[13:42] calming me down here. And now I feel way
[13:44] more stressed than before this call,
[13:45] man.
[13:47] >> Wait, that's uh I mean Yeah. It's like
[13:53] before I just didn't know what I didn't
[13:54] know. Now it's like I know what I didn't
[13:55] know and now it's like I'm feeling
[13:56] terrible about it, you know?
[13:58] >> Um,
[14:01] okay. So, there's the double molten
[14:02] giants. There's the core hounds.
[14:05] >> That's all.
[14:05] >> Yeah, that's kind of it. There's fire
[14:06] lords, but we should kill those
[14:07] instantly.
[14:08] >> Fire lords are super easy. You have
[14:10] magic dispel and that's all they do.
[14:13] >> Okay. So, I'm a dispeller. Okay. Um,
[14:16] let's see what else. Once we get to
[14:18] >> I'm not 100% certain, but you could
[14:20] probably also just drop dummies
[14:23] permanently on every trash mine.
[14:25] >> That's what I'm thinking, too. Yeah, we
[14:26] we
[14:27] >> I think you could literally just just
[14:28] send like 300 dummies and you clear all
[14:30] the trash with no no breaks, no
[14:33] downtime, and you just speedrun it with
[14:35] dummies.
[14:35] >> And we we we all have world buffs. I
[14:37] think we just unboom right buffs. You
[14:39] can kill Rag.
[14:41] >> Can kill Rag. We have greens and a bunch
[14:43] of gnomes. We did MC hardcore with no
[14:46] world buffs. World buffs make you like
[14:49] BWL level gear even if you're wearing
[14:51] full greens.
[14:51] >> Okay. Okay. So, that's good. I mean,
[14:53] that's good for us. I mean,
[14:54] >> yeah, your tanks your tanks are going to
[14:55] have more HP. Well, do you have titans?
[14:58] >> No, we haven't found it. No,
[15:00] >> we have Petri, funny enough. But take
[15:02] back what I said.
[15:03] >> We don't have Petri for
[15:05] or
[15:07] >> we we found a Petri flask, which is
[15:09] crazy, but we don't have enough to give
[15:11] to everyone. See, we can't really make a
[15:13] petri out call. It's more just for like
[15:15] if we need to avoid a mechanic like the
[15:17] like in Ubers if our tank gets conf
[15:19] flagged, you can have them petri, right?
[15:20] Like stuff like that. But we don't
[15:22] really have enough to go around for like
[15:24] everyone. So, um h for the core hounds
[15:30] before not core hounds for like the dog
[15:32] packs before Lucy or like at Lucy.
[15:35] >> Um is AoE taunt lip fine?
[15:41] Um,
[15:42] >> or do we want like five warriors tanking
[15:45] each one? You think?
[15:47] >> I think you should have five five to
[15:49] each one. I would be concerned with AoE
[15:52] lip taunt.
[15:53] >> Okay.
[15:54] >> Uh, someone getting 10 stacks of bleed
[15:57] and then they die.
[15:58] >> Okay. So, we'll have one warrior on each
[15:59] and we just AoE normal.
[16:01] >> Yeah, you might want to like
[16:04] That's honestly you might want to assign
[16:06] two warriors to each dog off if
[16:09] >> So, this is what I'm saying. Like I feel
[16:10] like all of our warriors need to be
[16:12] ready to like tank. Like they do. They
[16:14] do.
[16:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[16:15] >> At least be in play gear with his shield
[16:17] ready.
[16:17] >> Okay, cool. We'll do that. Um, let me
[16:21] think. I had other questions. I'm trying
[16:23] to remember. I was going to have
[16:24] everyone roll a restoot on Lucy just to
[16:26] help dispels.
[16:27] >> Yeah, you'll kill before it's over, too.
[16:29] So, that's You don't need to dispel like
[16:30] at all pretty much if they do that.
[16:32] >> Okay. So, everyone roll a resto pot.
[16:34] >> Just don't pop it like until the first
[16:36] thing goes out, you know?
[16:38] >> Right. Right. Yep.
[16:40] Um, okay. What else
[16:42] >> do you know about mountain? Uh, the
[16:44] giants they they threat drop.
[16:46] >> The giants threat drop.
[16:48] >> Yeah, just the main tank. So like you
[16:51] you guys the tanks need to be taunting
[16:52] on.
[16:53] >> Is that destroyers or giants?
[16:55] >> Giants. Destroyers don't drop.
[16:56] >> How do I not know that?
[16:58] >> It's always assigned.
[17:00] >> Uh,
[17:01] yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's Okay, so two
[17:04] tanks.
[17:04] >> Annihilators.
[17:05] >> Annihilators. I know about the threat
[17:07] drop. So, we spam taunt there and then
[17:09] surgers. I was just going to have a
[17:10] warrior stand far.
[17:12] >> Yeah.
[17:13] >> Yeah, that's good.
[17:14] >> Yeah. Cool. Um, fire lords are easy.
[17:17] Trying to think. I think there was like
[17:18] one more thing I was going to ask you.
[17:21] Um, oh, for for assignments on Lucy,
[17:24] there's three mobs. There's Lucy and the
[17:25] two ads. Do you think we should just
[17:27] have a warrior A ton shield wall and
[17:29] then another warrior A ton shield wall
[17:30] and another warrior A ton shield wall?
[17:32] Or do you think we should have a warrior
[17:34] to each ad? I was just trying to
[17:36] maximize shield wall time. You see what
[17:37] I'm saying?
[17:37] >> I see. I see what you're saying.
[17:39] >> Yeah.
[17:40] >> I think Warrior Eat is still maybe
[17:42] better though.
[17:42] >> So,
[17:45] >> yeah. This This has been my shower
[17:46] thoughts for the last like 3 weeks.
[17:48] >> I'm kind of I'm kind of like thinking
[17:49] about this on the spot.
[17:51] >> Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I've been thinking
[17:52] about this like on the sha like in the
[17:54] shower for like weeks now. Like, how are
[17:56] we going to do this?
[17:57] >> That's a lot of showering.
[17:58] >> I know.
[17:58] >> That's a lot of That's
[18:00] >> Yeah.
[18:01] >> So, if you do AoE I'm just thinking
[18:04] about the cons, the pros and cons. you
[18:06] do AoE taunt, shield wall. You're not
[18:09] actually maximizing your AoE. You're not
[18:12] maximizing your shield wall because when
[18:15] you AoE taunt, it lasts for 5 seconds
[18:19] and then it's a fixate. It doesn't
[18:20] generate any threat,
[18:21] >> right?
[18:22] >> So, your warrior is going to have no
[18:23] rage because he's shieldwald presumably
[18:26] in full tank gear wearing a shield deep.
[18:30] >> That guy holding aggro on anything but
[18:32] the maybe the main target.
[18:34] >> Maybe the main boss. Yeah, the other two
[18:35] then are free. So yeah,
[18:37] >> it would be more efficient, if you're
[18:38] thinking about that, it would be more
[18:40] efficient to use three shield walls for
[18:41] 18 seconds with no AoE taunt and then
[18:44] you use AoE taunt if threat goes crazy.
[18:47] Like let's say skull tank gets MCD,
[18:51] one of the warriors could AoE taunt that
[18:53] are already shieldwald. I think that's a
[18:55] better solution
[18:57] than and you could just have two two
[19:00] tanks to each mob, maybe three to the
[19:02] main target. I was thinking that exact
[19:04] same thing. Yep. So, no AoE. We have
[19:07] like two warriors to each mob. It's It
[19:09] could be even like a DPS warrior with a
[19:11] get ready to shield.
[19:13] >> I honestly think this is over
[19:15] complicating it though. I straight up
[19:17] think you play three tank. All the rest
[19:20] of your warriors go fury protand
[19:24] cuz last stand could be used as a fury
[19:26] warrior.
[19:27] >> And then the main three you think deep.
[19:30] >> Just so I'm following you. I think so.
[19:33] >> Yeah, that so that that's what I was
[19:34] thinking. We have we have three like
[19:36] main tanks that are like pro pro and
[19:38] then the rest of our warriors are like
[19:40] fury pro. They're ready to pick it up,
[19:41] but they can also DPS. That that's
[19:43] exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.
[19:44] >> So like this this this like brings me
[19:47] >> to the next point. Like if you're doing
[19:48] that, you have 37 DPS with world buffs
[19:51] and cool downs,
[19:52] >> right? It should die in like 15 seconds.
[19:53] Like maybe 20.
[19:55] >> Yeah.
[19:56] >> Like it'll be quick. It's just we still
[19:58] have no healers. like every every
[19:59] warrior diamond flasks. We go in there,
[20:01] we taunt shield wall, we just we spam
[20:04] restoots, target dummies. Like I'm
[20:06] that's what I'm thinking. Like I like I
[20:08] think we can do this. It's just getting
[20:09] there without the trap, you know,
[20:11] without dying.
[20:12] >> People People did this like they did no
[20:14] healer runs. Like there there's like
[20:16] horde speedruns that did like zero
[20:17] healer like full shaman spec DPS on
[20:20] Lucifer.
[20:21] >> This is I might need to watch those.
[20:24] I I mean I was looking up
[20:25] >> parsing look up like parsing runs cuz
[20:27] it's not going to be a speed run.
[20:29] >> Okay. I was looking up like the 40 mage
[20:31] run and stuff and like they just died
[20:33] after every pull. It made me feel like
[20:34] way worse about everything.
[20:35] >> It's not hardcore.
[20:36] >> Yeah. Um
[20:39] >> no honestly of all the bosses in there,
[20:41] Lucifron will just fall over to 37 DPS.
[20:44] >> Okay.
[20:45] >> Die in like 15 seconds.
[20:47] >> So we'll get the core hound threat
[20:48] situation figured out. We'll have like a
[20:50] warrior pick up threat and run max range
[20:54] or like maybe I'll pick up threat and
[20:55] run max range.
[20:57] >> This might sound crazy.
[20:59] >> Just spam dummies.
[21:01] >> I think I think you do
[21:03] focus boss on Lucifer and you just
[21:06] commit to dispelling the MC's and nobody
[21:09] does AoE.
[21:10] >> Wait, sorry. Say say that again.
[21:12] >> I think you should do zero AOE on
[21:15] Lucifer.
[21:16] >> Yeah. Yeah, totally.
[21:17] >> Full single target the boss first. Oh,
[21:19] kill boss before ads.
[21:21] >> Yeah.
[21:23] >> What what's the point of that? To
[21:25] alleviate the main problem that the ads
[21:27] do literally nothing. They do nothing
[21:29] but they spam MC.
[21:31] >> So like I think the the biggest risk I
[21:33] think on Lucifer is you killing your
[21:35] friends and that's going to happen if
[21:37] you're cleaving.
[21:39] >> Yeah. Well, I mean for sure it'll be no
[21:40] AoE. What I was thinking is we kill each
[21:42] ad in 4 seconds flat. Just ad dead. Ad
[21:44] dead then boss dead. They have a lot of
[21:46] If you kill both ads, that's the same
[21:48] amount of HP as the boss. But I'm pretty
[21:49] >> But we have 37 DPS with world buffs.
[21:51] Like I mean each ad should take like
[21:52] what 5 seconds like I don't know maybe
[21:56] maybe a bit longer. Eight.
[21:59] >> Yeah. I mean you could do that. That's
[22:01] that's there's I'm not saying either is
[22:02] right, but that's I think that would be
[22:04] what I would do
[22:05] >> is ignore ignore ads. Just burn boss.
[22:08] >> Yeah. You just you just like bring the
[22:09] ads like a little bit away from the boss
[22:11] and then and then um you just focus
[22:14] boss.
[22:15] >> Mhm. Okay. But you you think either way
[22:18] it kind of works like if we kill if we
[22:19] killed ads. Okay.
[22:21] >> Yeah.
[22:21] >> All right. I'm trying to think. I think
[22:22] that answers like most questions.
[22:25] I was really trying to figure out like
[22:27] taunt assignments and then I was trying
[22:28] to figure out like yeah how to actually
[22:30] get there. Um
[22:34] oh yeah going back to edge masters then.
[22:36] And now that we now that we really know
[22:38] kind of like the full grasp of what's
[22:39] going on, do we give those to one of the
[22:41] fury prompt warriors then or give it to
[22:44] the main tank or don't use it at all or
[22:46] like what's what what do you think?
[22:48] >> I would uh I would just give it to your
[22:51] best performer. I don't think it matters
[22:53] tank or death if they think they if
[22:55] somebody wants it like if somebody wants
[22:57] it and they're tanking and they're a
[22:59] good tank, I would give it to them. If
[23:02] >> I'm thinking looks maxed. Okay. Like
[23:04] >> I don't Yeah. I think it's better on the
[23:06] best player because
[23:09] um
[23:10] >> Okay,
[23:10] >> they're going to make use of it.
[23:11] >> Yeah,
[23:12] >> I don't think it matters DPS or tank.
[23:14] >> I have a player in mind for him then and
[23:16] I think he'll be running fury pro. So
[23:19] cool.
[23:19] >> That's best case scenario.
[23:20] >> Yep, good player. Fury proddter. He has
[23:23] good gear, too. Um,
[23:28] sweet. Is there anything else you can
[23:29] think of that might help us with success
[23:30] here? I'm I I don't know. Like I'm I'm
[23:33] optimistic we can take down Lucy, but
[23:35] I'm also kind of what you're thinking.
[23:36] Like there's a real chance we all just
[23:38] die to the first two molten giants and
[23:39] it's just like over, you know,
[23:41] >> like two warriors to each giant, you
[23:43] know, even three three warriors to each
[23:45] giant.
[23:47] >> No, I mean there's not that much to it
[23:48] if you're just doing Lucy. You guys got
[23:50] it. You guys got it.
[23:51] >> Okay, you're feeling confident again
[23:52] then.
[23:53] >> Trash and it's just No, I mean Yep.
[23:57] >> Super confident on you guys.
[23:59] >> Okay. I I'm glad you think you're
[24:02] feeling super confident. That's That's
[24:04] better than not.
[24:05] >> I'm not. Yeah. Uh yeah.
[24:08] >> Cool. Yeah. Thanks for the vote of
[24:10] confidence. That cute. Okay. Huge. Okay.
[24:13] Um
[24:14] cool. I'm trying to think of any other
[24:16] tech. We have uh those Unoro crystals
[24:20] crystals for the heals. We have uh no
[24:23] mind control cap. We can use Noish mind
[24:24] control cap to get FR on our tanks.
[24:28] um from Ubers.
[24:29] We have
[24:32] um like random items that like people
[24:34] have that can like send little heals
[24:35] here and there. We have hell stones like
[24:39] >> bobs.
[24:40] >> Uh recon bobs. I I have Yes, I have one.
[24:44] The problem is
[24:46] >> honestly you could just you're a healer
[24:48] with a reconulator.
[24:49] >> So it only heals 150 to 250 and it
[24:52] scales with spell damage. So mine will
[24:54] heal for like 400 health.
[24:57] I think I'm going to run it, but I don't
[24:58] think it's that good. You like, you
[25:01] know, I'm losing like a trinket slot,
[25:02] too. It's like couple hundred HP.
[25:05] >> We have marbles, too. Yeah, I forgot
[25:07] about marbles. Marbles on Lucy.
[25:11] Oh my gosh. Cool. Well, um I'll let you
[25:16] run. I know you're probably too in the
[25:17] middle of something, but if you uh if
[25:19] you have any other ideas, feel free to
[25:21] shoot them my way.
[25:24] I'm I'm excited, but I'm nervous, man.
[25:26] I'm like really nervous, but I'm
[25:28] excited, you know? I think we can do it.
[25:30] So,
[25:31] >> yeah, I think so, too.
[25:33] >> Cool. Uh, well, yo, thank you very much
[25:35] for all the help, Ampy. You rock. All
[25:38] right, have a good one.
[25:39] >> Got this.
[25:39] >> Peace.
[25:40] >> Later,
[25:41] >> Ampy. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry
[25:43] his mic was quiet. I turned it up as
[25:44] high as high as I could and turned down
[25:46] my game volume so that you guys could
[25:48] hear him. Um he definitely has some very
[25:52] very good intel for these uh yeah for
[25:56] the run coming up. So guys it's it's
[25:59] it's in two days like we are it's it's
[26:03] in two days.
[26:06] Okay.
[26:08] Two days. High level intel lowle
[26:11] confidence. Yeah. Ampy didn't seem that
[26:13] confident in us, but
[26:16] I mean I think we could do it, you