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title: 'He Built a $1.5T Data Giant... Now He''s Using AI to Cure Disease | Haresh Patel'
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date: 2026-08-20
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channel: 'Modern Healthspan'
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# He Built a $1.5T Data Giant... Now He's Using AI to Cure Disease | Haresh Patel

> Source: [He Built a $1.5T Data Giant... Now He's Using AI to Cure Disease | Haresh Patel](https://youtube.com/watch?v=9OBDxIJYAjA)

## Summary

In this interview, Haresh Patel, founder of Sanare Health AI, shares his personal journey of a 55-year struggle with an undiagnosed skin condition, which led him to build a platform that combines medical records with life stories to help doctors see the whole picture. He discusses the fragmented nature of US healthcare, the importance of being the 'CEO of your own health,' and how AI can transform the diagnostic process.

### Key Points

- **Personal Journey and the Broken System** [02:10] — Haresh Patel, a failed premed student turned engineer, spent 55 years with an escalating skin issue, seeing 12 specialists over a decade without a clear diagnosis. He realized the system is broken due to data silos and specialization, with each doctor seeing only a 'piece of the elephant.'
- **The Aha Moment: Applying Data Architecture to Health** [05:55] — The 'aha' moment came when he realized the data architecture for solving his health problem was the same as what he built for asset management platforms—synthesizing unstructured data to see patterns. He applied this to medical records and life events.
- **Data Fragmentation in US Healthcare** [08:24] — In the US, medical data is fragmented across hospitals and doctors, with no single source. Even Epic, the largest software, is siloed by client. Patients must take control and centralize their data themselves.
- **How Sanare Health AI Works** [10:35] — Sanare Health AI is a patient-driven portal that combines three data sets: medical records, life history (mini memoir), and lifestyle data. It uses AI to structure unstructured medical data and overlay it with critical life events to give doctors a complete picture.
- **The Output: A Comprehensive Report** [18:07] — The platform outputs a longitudinal medical record visualization, markers around critical life events, and suggests four or five possible modalities to explore. It aims to make the average 13-minute doctor visit more productive, turning it into a meaningful conversation.
- **Target Audience and Patient Clusters** [25:43] — The ideal patient is someone who has exhausted all options and is ready to take control of their health. There are two segments: the 'fed up' and the wellness/longevity-focused younger generation.
- **The Wellness Market Opportunity** [28:20] — The wellness market is an unintended consequence but is growing. The platform matches patients to specific wellness programs, unlike generic resort wellness centers, to address their specific problems.
- **The Future of AI in Healthcare** [33:59] — AI will become more integrated into both patient and practitioner sides, helping patients build stories and find the right care, and helping doctors stay updated. It won't replace doctors but will make them more productive, acting as a 'pressure relief valve.'
- **Practical Advice for Using AI in Health** [37:30] — Practical advice: centralize your health records, build your story, and be curious about the 'why' behind your condition. Use AI to dig deeper, not just for quick fixes.

## Transcript

a person's life and all their medical records. And when you overlay those two together, now all of a sudden you can see a movie instead of a frame because our B system is designed to see frames for the doctor. It just gives them more
conversation. We're not going to change minutes like 2 hours? That could solve a huge problem. Be the CEO of your own health. First thing you have to do is collect all your
forbid you end up in an emergency room. The doctors doesn't even know what you're allergic to. They're scared to death of doing comeomaosse. They are trained now to
look for a cell phone to call a loved one, right? But now all of a sudden if you're traveling, it's in one place. Whoever sees you can say, "Oh, within I'm dealing with right now." So centralize your health records. build
your story because we strongly believe that the answer is somewhere in your that the answer is somewhere in your story. engineer, entrepreneur, and author of The Ghost in My Body, whose 55-year
search across 12 different diagnosises led him to build Sanare Health AI to solve healthc care's critical diagnostic synthesis problem. So, Harish, welcome to modern health span. >> Thank you for having me. C could could
>> Thank you for having me. C could could we talk a little bit about what led you to start Santa Health so that we can kind of understand what the problem is that we're trying to solve. Although I mean people certainly understand that
the current health care system is not really healthare. It's really sick care, right? You're really fixing sick care. But we do have this problem where people have something similar to what you had, which is uh
time and yet there seems to be no clear diagnosis. So could you talk a little bit about what why what was your issue and how come it took so long to find out what the underlying cause was?
>> Great question. So first of all, I'm not a doctor and I'm not going to try to pretend to be one. I'm a failed premed student. I actually went to University of Notre Dame to get a premed degree. That's one of the premier programs in
rates into med school. I realized after eight weeks getting my midterm um grades that I was not gonna get into med school. So maybe full circle I might be able to help the medical industry from a different angle u many many years later.
different angle u many many years later. So um I joined the industry as a engineer is what my got my degree and moved to Silicon Valley. I could talk a lot about my career and like a maybe a thousand other good you
know rags to riches immigrant can't speak English that's the boring stuff what really happened was over that 55 years I had an escalating skin issue and
years I had an escalating skin issue and the last 10 years say from 2012 to 2022 the last 10 years say from 2012 to 2022 I was like elephant man and so it was my medical journey as a patient that I realized how broken our system
is. It wasn't designed on purpose to be broken. It just broke for a variety of it's a little bit different. In the US, it's combination of insurance and how they pay and how doctors are paid and pharmaceutical industry. And there's
just a whole set of forces. But the end of the day, I think what we have is lots of data silos and lots of specialization. And me as a if I have a skin issue, who am I going to go see? I'm going to go see a
dermatologist. If I feel like I have an allergy, I'm going to jump to an allergy specialist. And so, I went through a decade because miserable where life just was not normal. And so,
that's where I learned that one, it's very hard to get your own data. You have to have all of your data in one place for somebody to see the whole picture. doctor was seeing a piece of the elephant. They were reaching behind the
with a dermatology. Well, I'll give you some creams for that. Okay, you're with some in I'll give you some antihistamines." Each one was addressing a piece of the puzzle. Nobody took the whole curtain off and synthesized all of
the decades of data together. And that's where for me the aha came. I had to go through my medical journey. I had to go through my career journey to kind of become a pattern recognition person. And I also had to go through this um um
medical journey from a perspective of the entrepreneurial journey which was Marcatus. I'll explain Marcatus real quickly. Marcatus was a private investment uh asset management platform. What does that really mean? It means if
somebody owns an airport, a bridge, a toll road, a pipeline, a solar power plant across the world, they have thousands and thousands of documents and financial models. Those investors that invest billions of dollars can't make
in. And what they struggle with is scenario analysis, which is if something changed in the world, which is changing so frequently right now, what's how does that impact my portfolio? What is it worth today?
Should I buy? Should I sell? And when I met privately with some of the biggest world, they say, you know, Arash, we're flying blind. And so what we did for that they could actually see historical
patterns so that they could do scenario analysis. So if the straight of hormones closes, it means X. If it opens, it means Y. And so when you look at medical records, we're an asset, right? I got the aha
moment is, wait a minute, I've got hundreds of records scattered all over time over the last 50 years and they've never been put in one place. And so I had the aha moment. I was like, wait a minute, I can solve this problem
because it's the exact same data architecture. Unstructured data together, create a visual. The only difference here is instead of a scenario, we have symptoms. It's just a change,
happened in our body, a scenario, something that changed in the world. So the data architecture is exactly the same. And it took one appointment with a doctor in Sacramento when he spent two hours with me, which is clue one. That's
a structural problem. We're not going to get two hours. I got lucky. He also didn't want to know what my symptom was, why I was there. Interesting. He wanted "Start from the beginning. Were you born? C-section. Where were you born?
Tell me a little bit about your dad. Walk me through your life." And then quadrants. secret of SES. I've been filling in these eight quadrants because you saw 12 specialists and each one was right but they were
part of the elephant. I'm taking the whole curtain off because everything is connected and your whole book the ghost in my body is all the energy vector that even if you collect all your records what's most important that's
happened in your life because there's a huge connection between mind body trauma stress anxiety can be a culprit to a lot of diseases that are butterfly effects
realized that wow I can solve this structurally because it's a systematic diagnostic methodology that's missing. It's pulling the whole story together of a person's life and all their me medical records. And when you overlay those two
together, now all of a sudden you can see a movie instead of a frame because our B system is designed to see frames, right? You go to a doctor, you get 13 lab, the results say come back and let's take a look at it. It's a snapshot,
take a look at it. It's a snapshot, but you need longitudinal data across a lifetime to really be able to understand where did this problem really start. And can't really begin to address how do you solve it? You're only managing and
you're only treating. You're not curing. >> Yes. A couple of thoughts in there. So, who act in America, who owns your data? Does because you go to different people. Is there like a single source? Do you have does your insurance agency maintain
the single source >> in the US? Technically, it's really a good question. Uh, it is all over the place. Each hospital that you go to, each doctor you go to owns a piece of that
data. And you sign this thing called HIPPA, which is basically saying they're going to keep it private to themselves, post it out on the internet. They're not going to, you know, take that data. So
that's the confidentiality is between you and the doctor or you and the practitioner. So it's a very fragmented market. There is one software called Epic that's probably got lion share majority probably that owns the most
data, but it's also siloed because they own it by client. So if I'm going to Stanford Hospital, they have a Haresh Patel instance of of Stanford. If I go to PaloAlto Medical Foundation or UCSF, University of San Francisco Medical
but they have instances that are based on the client relationship. It's not they can't consolidate and saying here's Hares Patel in total. I have to take control of that and bring it together in one place. That's what scenario allows
to take each of those instances and I'm going to bring it and create data that I own as an individual. And it really requires you to be the CEO of your own health. Keep that place because it's an evolving story. Remember, it's it's not
55 years, but tomorrow something new is going to happen and the day after you have to keep evolving that story to keep it current. >> Yes. Okay. So I think it'd be a good time to kind of talk about scenario
time to kind of talk about scenario health. So you take all people so people's data. So we've got all the health care data which is semistructured. I assume that there's some structure to it and but you also
some structure to it and but you also have lifestyle data or or life history data. Uh so how do you kind of merge those two? How do you bring them together? >> Uh very good question. So this is a
patient driven portal. It is allowing you to build your story because we strongly believe our thesis is the answer somewhere in your story and it takes a combination of really three data sets.
Medical records are incredibly valuable and they are highly unstructured by the way. But the good news is AI technology and machine learning in general has made it easier to structure and create a pattern. So a doctor can take a look and
say ah this started your diabetes started when you were 35 you're 65. let's see how it's trended over time as trends make a big difference. So that's getting you halfway to there, halfway to the picture, centralizing all your your
medical records, creating an executive summary for the doctor to take a look at. The part that's always been missing is during those years as you've been evolving as a human being or aging or getting younger as you might want to
getting younger as you might want to think. Um what's happened in your life? So what you're doing is basically creating a mini memoir, right? So the doctor can say, you know what, I was born in some sub um in Kenya, let's say,
and I swam in a particular river and I had exposure to these kind of pets and then I moved to the US. I'm I'm fabricating the story, but each of those create interesting environments, right, that could affect your health. I went
through some major trauma. In my case, my mom died when I was 6 years old. that buried grief was my ghost in my body and that's what continued to act like a butterfly effect over time and we had to resolve that trauma. So putting
together your medical history overlaying it with critical events in your life I don't think anybody's really solved and that's what scenario health is intended to solve is to give the doctor a complete picture of the whole person.
Go back to the good old days where the doctor called on on house calls. They dinner. They knew the family. They knew the family dynamics. They knew parents
grandma passed away and they could connect the dots is one they had to time. But two, they knew the person. They knew the family. And the mind is very powerful. And the mind and body are never connected in in
modern medicine. So the intent here is to give the doctor all the medical to give the doctor all the medical records visualized correctly overlaying that with life stories and now all of a sudden he can play Sherlock
Holmes. We're not a diagnostic engine. We're giving the tools to the doctor to be able to say okay ah I can do some pattern recognition now.
about this the putting in my life story uh because you know I have no idea where I would start on that right I mean I I know where I've been when I've been there but beyond that really I don't
there but beyond that really I don't have any data and so how how do you >> that's a good question let's talk about a simple problem let's say you have developed tenitis in the US about 20 million people have I
think they call it tenitis I pronounce it wrong um tenitis it wrong um tenitis um if you have it today you can go to any one of the chat GPT or claude or any of the um you know LLMs that are out
there and they'll pretty much tell you you can go to WebMD you can go to Cleveland Clinic these are some of the more uh famous ones here in the US that ringing in my ear what's going on because that's your first line of
doctor's appointment. If you're lucky enough, you can get an ENT specialist and go to an ENT specialist. It's about a 4 to 6 week wait. Um, or you can go to your general practitioner. So, here's where the problem starts. But this is
how you would start with scenario. I have tennis. really intelligent questions because what we've done is we have curated what I call the best practitioners that know how to build a story. So the questions a
current medical practice would say you know what go see an ENT specialist. Well first of all the problem in 80% of the cases is not your ear cases is not your ear the problem is in your brain.
middle ear problem that actually might require some surgery or some sort of fixing. But tenitis is basically somebody who knows how to time travel. So the question we would ask would be is when
did tenitis start? I think any doctor would ask that question. last 12 months? These are questions that we've built, we've trained to ask in our technology. In the last 12 months, can you tell me, did you get into any kind
where you might have displaced your neck or jaw? get asked. In the last 12 months, do you have something that caused maybe severe
In the last, you notice I'm using last 12 months. I'm time traveling. I'm building a story. In the last 12 months, did you have something that was did you have something that was tremendously traumatic for you which can
cause stress? Any one of those three things usually will develop tenitis in in the next 12 months. And the fourth one is, have you had a hearing test? Because if you've had hearing loss, you will develop tonitis.
And those are the questions that neither the ENT is really trained to ask nor your general practitioner. Surprisingly, the answer is there's no cure for hearing loss or somebody said, you know what, Harash, you're 65, you're kind of
exactly where you should be. But that's the wrong answer because there's still there's a certain certain part of the drain brain that wants to process sound.
of goes crazy and well I got to create some sound. So you have to kind of calm it down. Now neck and jaw displacement means you got to possibly see a therapist, right? If it's stress anxiety related, you have to
see a somebody who can kind of teach you how to meditate and calm down because that's the power of uh scenarios. that it started with a question like you would enter in in any other you know search bar but the questions that come
back help build a story and then what it does is it recommends options beyond I would say go see the ENT specialist it'll say hey if you've had these issues you go get a hearing test first let's rule this out right if
you've had severe if and then it'll recommend people that have moved outside of their specialty that said hey listen there is a solution People research that can't live with this. I can't accept the answer that there's no cure for
tenitis." They'll go find those modalities anyways. What we do is we present those options. We connect the story to the right practitioner. story to the right practitioner. Okay. So, what does Sanur Health output?
So it it's it's a you you've it's ingested all this data and it's munched it together and then it creates some kind of a report for the person that the doctor can read. So could you describe what what is in that report? So then
that report would be longitudinal medical records. So if let's say you're 40 or you're 50 or whatever age you are, if you've collected all your records in one place, you'll be able to the doctor now will be able to see a pattern. They
The second thing is they will have markers around critical life events that have happened in that person's um story line. listen, these are areas that are unexplored
that you and the doctor should be able to should spend more time digging into. It'll also give you four or five different possible modalities to go and explore and have a discussion with your doctor. So, what it's really doing is it
use the word 13. That's the average time you get from the time a doctor walks hello to you, and shakes hands and says, "Why are you here?" to the time they leave to the next appointment. It's impossible to do anything in 13 and 12
minutes besides writing a prescription or come back and let me, you know, get a few more tests and we'll talk about it. So, this really takes the 13 minutes around, okay, I understand you as better as a person. I I'm going to explore
three, four areas that I think we should dig deeper and oh, by the way, I think these are four or five things that are interesting to explore. And it gives the meaningful conversation with the patient. That's the intent is to make
the 13 and a half minutes more like the two hours that is really required to get to the bottom of who this person is sitting across their table. have to do some homework on the report before he saw you. Right. Um
what they can do now. they can collaborate together because the doctor remember has equal challenges in keeping up with everything that's going on medicine, right? Just think of and and we're not and I'll get specific. We're
we're trying to solve some of these lifestyle issues that are the most difficult to diagnose because they overlap. Sleep issues, headache, pain, this inflammation or autoimmune area. Um, and um, I always can never rattle
they're they usually overlap quite a bit. And the the goal here is um, the doctor also doesn't have time to keep up with everything that's going on. So
just says, listen, there's just for example, just breast cancer. There's 5,000 new white papers that are developed every year on some research humanly impossible? So now all of a sudden, you know, with the right story
curate and say, "Let's weed through those 5,000, see which ones make the most sense." So both sides can use it as a collaborative tool to kind of dig deep and say, "Okay, what what are the possibilities that we should explore?"
So one thought I had is does there have to be a doctor involved? It would seem that your platform would be able to offer like lifestyle advice to people. you just it ingests all your data and then he says, "Well, you know, maybe
you're you should take this supplement or something." So, are you looking at that or it it's always through a medical system? >> I I'm kind of like I grew up with in the
when I was in college, the Ronald Reagan era, always trust but verify. >> So, I love AI because I'm a technologist. Trust but verify because he's going to know what's hallucinating
and what's not. So I think the combination of the doctor and AI is a very very powerful combination. So we don't want to replace the doctor. This is not to replace the doctor but is to make that visit more productive and to
that's happening than than that's happening today. >> Do you have kind of do you have a set of doctors or a registry of doctors who understand your report and you're working with? So, so if somebody came
in, you would send them you you could refer them to one of these doctors. >> Uh, that's the ultimate goal of our platform is to connect the person and their problem and their story to the right practitioner. So, we
are going to be a two-sided marketplace from a technology perspective. And so, we're building out both the patient side, which is, you know, critical to have people you can send them to. So, we built our own rating system of who can
built our own rating system of who can make it on our platform. Um, and I think what makes uh Sonari um unique is that again we're going to go beyond conventional medicine to offer solutions that may that they may not have thought
of. And quite frankly, we've been doing it since the beginning of time. Right? When we had libraries, people would go say, "I've got this ailment and I'm research." And they boom, they found somebody in Germany and they found a way
the internet came out, it made a little bit easier. AI will make it even easier. But there's an interesting matching problem. And I'll share that. If you just take mental health for example. Go to any mental health website or
Go to any mental health website or counselor. They all sound the same. like, how do I know I'm seeing the right specialist? Because a marriage counselor, right? Versus somebody who specializes
in depression versus if somebody specializes in, you know, possible suicidal, each one has a different fragment. And so a third of my inquiries through LinkedIn come from the practitioner side. And I always ask why
on my platform? And they actually have the same consistent answer. One like any business they want more customers. So they want you know our patient side. Everybody wants to grow their business. But more importantly
patient. They view the platform as a qualification engine. So what we do is when we onboard a new practitioner, we say can you describe and we put them a fairly rigorous process. Who can you
so they they love the aspect of a qualified patient because that business depends on word of mouth and it depends on good reviews and a no review is equally as bad as a bad review. So the the real value they see in the platform
qualified that I have a high confidence of helping. So, it's matching the symptom, the person, the story to the criteria. Not all that different than if I'm going on Airbnb and I'm
in Spain." Well, all of a sudden it took its 200 million homes and narrowed it at oceanfront and I want five bedrooms and I want, you know, five bathrooms and I want whatever." The same happens in our platform. Here's
my story. Here's my symptom here. And on this side is beginning to narrow down who are the right practitioners that you should actually go see so that you minimize the number of specialists that you see over time. The goal would be is
reduce time to suffering. Reduce the number of specialists that you have to go see. I went through 12 different specialists, right? It took me a decade to figure out what I had and then it took me another two, three years
to figure out why I had it. The industry is good at telling us what we have, but the why is back to the story. Something happens somewhere in your life in most into a car accident, you broke a bone, that's different, but I'm talking about
these five area cluster areas that I'm talking about. Sleep, pain, headaches, um, you know, autoimmune disease, those are hard to diagnose. Somewhere there's are hard to diagnose. Somewhere there's buried story that has to get connected.
So, how would what would you qualify as your perfect patient? I mean, when should somebody be thinking about a platform like Senar? >> A good question. Um, and we've spent a lot of time thinking about that. For us,
which is I have a symptom, here's a solution. I call that the quick fix. That's just making today's messy system faster. said, you know what, and I'll give you some statistics. There's 133 million
every three, that suffer from the one of these five symptom areas. They spend four to seven years in diagnostic limbo. They burn through $1.4 $4 trillion a year
year trying to solve a problem which is endless suffering of which 134 billion is spent outside of exhausted going through their local doctor, their local hospital, all the
modalities, their insurance bases. I still need to go spend more money. So our patient or our client is one who said, "You know what? I really still want a solution and I need to take control of my health
and I need to be the CEO of my own my own health and I've exhausted every possibility." That's our most ideal patient because they're really looking for a solution that they have not been able to find.
And the other interesting segment that's growing for us is there's a lot of people, especially the newer, younger gen Z, Gen Y, Gen X, whatever you call gen Z, Gen Y, Gen X, whatever you call them, sub, you know, between 25 and 40
sick. Maybe we just said a bad example is is at my generation. I don't want to be like your dad. And they're trying to trying to find how to stay healthier longer. So, it's wellness and longevity. So they
also want to know their history and to be able to predict what problems they might have so they can prevent them. So we have two kind of patient clusters developing. One I would say the fed up, frustrated, exhausted with the with the
current lack of no answer and not willing to accept and really want to find a solution. And there's a group of people saying I want to stay well and healthy for a long long time. That's our patient base. That's our customer base.
sense and I can see how it gets very expensive when you have to have all these tests and it's just going around in circles. I mean the the wellness piece is very interesting. I mean how big is that? So you accept just people
who are perfectly okay and they just want to input the data uh and then if at can provide this report which would provide all the background to the
>> Yeah. Let's let's focus specifically on wellness. That's a I would say an unintended consequence. I think I had designed the platform for somebody like me which is stuck for years and not ready to say there's no cure.
Wellness is something that crept underneath us and when we're successful we make it a strategy like sort of weird like we thought about it strategically. Um, but think about it. Every resort, go to any resort, Four Seasons, Hilton, um,
to any resort, Four Seasons, Hilton, um, you know, um, you name it, everybody's yoga, they do a little bit of meditation, they do a little bit of, you equipment and they call themselves a wellness center. And you go and spend, I
don't know, on average $12, $1,500 a day, not including all the extras that you have to pay to get some of those therapies. That for us is good if you want to just go on vacation,
but it's making money. So people are advertising themselves, call it falsely or correctly. I'm not accusing anybody, but wouldn't it be better to say, problem. This is my issue. This is who I am.
Well then, you know, the program in Costa Rica actually solves that really, really well. They also call themselves a developed a certain expertise. So, what we're doing is again creating a better
what you're trying to solve from a longevity perspective. And if your longevity means that you are severely stressed right now this is the type of place you should go to because that place uses remember
have hundreds of different modalities in the eastern culture right same with yoga so this one has done a much more specific program to your specific wellness or preventing you from longevity so it's also the same matching
engine is to make sure that you're you're going to the right place so that actually addressing the problem that you're that's that's customized to you. That's not happening today. >> Correct. Yes. You have to do all the
>> you have to do all the homework yourself. I for example am a diabetic yourself. I for example am a diabetic and um I have finally said, you know what um I've been mishandling my body and I need to take better care of it. As
I started studying it, if you look at again the same websites, you say there is no cure for diabetes. You can manage it. Well, you want to manage it because quite frankly, I did the math. My last
30 years of diabetes cost somebody about $500,000 endocrinologist, right? To the lab results you take every 3 months to the pharmaceutical products that I take every month and get
refilled. Trust me, I did the math. It's $500,000. I'm a good ATM machine for the industry. So, but now I said, "Listen, I I want to shed all that." I found three places in the world after
doing a lot of research for myself to say, "Okay, I'm going to from a place where they say, "You know what? You can actually reverse it." And so, we'll see how it goes. But my point is, I took hours and hours to
research and found those three places that they claim. And so, we'll put them homework that we'll do on behalf of somebody that says, "Listen, I've got want to figure out how to get to the bottom of it." My why for diabetes was
never examined. My why was most likely because of liver toxins and fatty liver. pancreas. My pancreas is actually producing the right amount of insulin, but the liver is creating insulin resistance.
Fix the liver and I may be able to shed all that medication. you got to dig deep and you got to find him and hopefully we streamline that for you. >> Yes. I mean, yeah, I I think you with
proper lifestyle you can reverse diabetes. So, good luck with that. Um, diabetes. So, good luck with that. Um, yeah. So, thinking about the wellness, I yeah. So, thinking about the wellness, I mean, so for Sar's future, do you see
the wellness or the kind of intractable disease as being the the biggest market? I mean because I do see that wellness that this the management of wellness is
perhaps something that everyone will want going forward. I believe that like I said um our my target was because I was trying to solve a problem so that others like me didn't have to suffer as long. I think the
bonus we got was wellness and longevity and they're not the same. But I do believe that yes, we are all kind of get hitting a new mode of we need to get
away from sick care and we need to get to figure out how we stay healthier for longer. So I do believe that over time that'll become believe that over time that'll become the larger of the two segments for us.
Time will tell. So more generally, where do you see the future of kind of AI with healthcare? because I mean essentially you're you're well you're using AI to uh
to amalgamate all this data and and produce you know a better outcome. Uh produce you know a better outcome. Uh where do you see that moving forward? I see it um becoming more and more part of both of our lives both being the
of both of our lives both being the patient and the the practitioner side. again for the patient to help kind of build a story, find the right person quicker or the right organization or um practitioner
um and to be able to be more educated before they get to see the doctor. It also fills a void because right now weight times just the the medical system is overloaded, right? And as we age as a
population across the world, it's going to get worse. And the number of doctors pressure relief valve. Quite frankly, that's why 60 million people hit there's 60 million hits every day on just chat GPT related to, you know, medical
related questions. So it's you know water seeking is level but for the for the for the medical side I think it's a opportunity to really educate yourself faster on all the moving technology and new areas to explore because you just
can't keep that up. There's just humanly impossible. So the synthesis of that I think will really help the industry. Um and I don't think AI ever replaces the and I don't think AI ever replaces the medical field. Um it just when you look
people that can read now MRIs and X-rays, they aren't any jobs left in radiology." Quite frankly, their business is booming because now they're actually I you know, you can actually have a triple set of eyes, right? You
got AI eyes looking at u an image, you got the doctor looking at and you have specialists looking at it. So actually it's actually made everything more accurate and it hasn't affected us. So I I don't
see uh AI I just see AI making us more productive and making us more informed. and and it is interesting that you know we are so short on doctors right now and
we are so short on doctors right now and yet kind of the the midterm view is yeah they'll all be gone and nobody will well nobody will have a job anymore. >> No not in the medical field. I I I will take the contrarian view and I'll bet
I'll bet uh I don't know I have a farm but I'll bet the farm on it. Um it just I think what it does is it's a huge pressure valve relief. Doctors are burning out. They're equally fed up with the system. They don't They didn't join
a half minutes. They want to be compassionate. They want to be uh empathetic. They need to spend more time. They just It's just not in the cycling through more patients right now. It's just how the system is set up
today. So this allows them the quality of time to be able to say let me be more I can actually solve problems or I can actually cure somebody. That's why they
join the industry. So hopefully it's a release valve on me as a patient, you as faster because it takes time to get in just gives them more time to be really get deeper into a deeper conversation.
but can we make that 39 minutes like two hours? That can solve a huge problem. Could you So, thinking about PE things that people could do now, um if
my audience wanted to use AI to improve their health, I is there any advice you their health, I is there any advice you could offer on how the the optimal way could offer on how the the optimal way of using AI?
know, you can type in a symptom and you can get quick relief. That's what most of us do. I have a headache. Great. Take Tylenol. get into a car accident? Did you hit your head? Did you fall down? Did you
know, what kind of stress are you going to probably? And so, you dig deeper. We build a story. We can give you a better answer, right? Then all of a sudden, no, go get an MRI from everything you're describing. or you know what you got to
really begin to go do some deep meditation, deep relaxation. So it's all about take control of your health. That's what my book is all about and what scenario health is all about, which is be the CEO
of your own health. First thing you have to do is collect all your records. Have in an emergency room. The doctors doesn't even know what you're allergic They're scared to death of doing anything because they're like you're
comeomaos. They are trained now to look for a cell phone to call a loved one, right? But now all of a sudden if you have everything centralized or you're traveling, it's in one place whoever sees you can say, "Oh, within three or
with right now." So centralize your health records. Build your story because we strongly believe that the answer is somewhere in your story. that root cause is somewhere in your story and it can help the doctor connect all these
different little data silos of you built over decades and create a picture of you as opposed to a snapshot. And I would say the other couple of open mind. Be curious. If you know what you have,
find out why you have it. The why is the harder part to get to and only when can you get to the why. And then you have to keep an open mind because there may be solutions out there that you may not have thought of.
are you're accepting customers, you're accepting patients now. I mean, what would they go and how would that go forward? So, we are uh beta testing right now and we'll be circling back with you with hopefully with your
listeners to give them an opportunity uh opportunity to be part of our beta trial and uh so the process would be like any other website. You can build your story, collect your health records. There's no fee for that. Uh it's free to use. You
can, you know, even query who you'd like to go see. Um, but where we would like to begin monetizing, um, as a business, we've got to make money, too. Um, I'm a lazy guy. I don't have time. So, we have a white glove service where you can give
behalf in terms of collecting all your records. Um, and then the other upsell would be is that there's nothing that beats the interaction like we're having, do it in person, even better, but in Zoom is to have a human talk to you
that's really empathetic about how to un unpack your story. This telling the unpack your story. This telling the story is not easy because sometimes it's not like like in my particular case when I saw the doctor that finally nailed
what my issue was, I wasn't planning to have him share my story, but he had an art about saying, "Hares, can you tell me everybody else asked me when's the first when are you are you stressed now?" That's what my 12 doctors asked.
number 12 asked a different question. When's the first time in life you were stressed? Remember he's time traveling. I said, 'Oh. Um, you know, I think at that time I was um 60 or 62. I said, "Yeah, when I was in middle school, so I
remember I went back about 40 years. Um, I was bullied a lot cuz I was the only And when you look different, your lunchbox smells funny, you're going to get picked on." And going to school was miserable. And he goes, "Yep. Did you
dryable? Yep. Okay. That's a form of stress. No, but let's go back. Let's go planning to share with him the story, but he took me back to when my mom died in a car accident that we were in together. And he unpacked that story.
So, the other white glove service will be is to actually help help somebody what I call excavate the story. This is an archaeologist's job. It's not just, hey, tell me everything's going on, but share with me and how you ask the
questions. It's the good bedside manner. So, we have that as an upsell service. Um, and for doctors, uh, we're finding that they're running, uh, they're good at their practice, but when it comes to,
uh, promoting their own skills and how you promote them and how you create what I call a front office portal to attract clients, that's not their core skill. So, we can help them with that to be part of our platform. You can again be
kind of build a better place where people can understand, hey, this is the are his skills, these are the things that he does really well, he or she does really well. So we have monetization opportunity, but at the end we are
transactional so that when we connect the patient and the doctor, there's a fee that the the the provider side pays for, >> right? Yeah. I I'm I was thinking about your story in particular and how it was
>> really the the past trauma you because at the moment I I'm not aware of anyone at the moment I I'm not aware of anyone who is apart from like I guess people like Mind Valley or whoever who who are thinking about
who are thinking about past trauma and how that affects but when you have stress I mean stress creates physiological change in your And we we tend to think of our stresses just emotional. It's not like medical,
but yeah, you know, it changes the hormones. It changes the endocrine system. It changes the chemocines and so on that are in your in your blood. And so it does make physical changes and uh if you don't relieve the source of that
stress, then they will continue to this kind of negative environment will continue inside your body. Can >> Yeah. I mean, the symptom that you have is just the tip of the iceberg. You got to go figure out what happened
iceberg. And as we know, 90% of an iceberg is below the water. You got to it start? Where did it start building up? And um like I said, not everything is is tied to some sort of stress or trauma, but 80% of it starts somewhere
there that has to get unpacked if you really want to get to root cause. >> Yes. It it's kind of like looking for your keys under the light because look at the symptoms. It's the easy part, right? But uh
>> yeah, digging into why you have them is is a lot harder. you go back to that simple tonitis exit, it's only a 12-month time travel, right? That 12-month time travel um is just not taught in medical school.
>> It's not. And so people learn it over time just based on their experience. And have said, you know what, there is they've gone beyond their medical degree in ENT and they said, I want to really get specialized in in in tinitis and
figure out what's going on. And and so they've come up with modalities that that part of the brain down to say, "Let me give you noise so you're calm here." what it's supposed to do, which is process noise. Um, so it's all about
happened those last 12 months and and for others it just it happened a long effect. I mean just think even going back to diabetes. You could control the food. That's what everybody says oh control
the diet exercise. But the brain I mean the body is creating cortisol. Where does cortisol come? It comes from stress. So if you don't address the stress you won't solve the diabetes. It's it's a multifaceted
piece right? It is. Yes. So, do you have a website that's available now? You said that you were kind of in beta and you you could send out some notification. How would people kind of sign up for that
notification? >> So, we're uh scar.ai is the website. It'll be live very very soon. Um and we will be u sharing with you a specific link and a promo code for your
you're interested and we would love to have you as a client to say you know ideal client for us today is like like I said I've been suffering with these five areas. I've tried everything possible.
control. I want to build my whole story. So if I tell the whole story I'm going practitioner sooner. >> Okay. Thank you. That sounds wonderful because it it's certainly a story that I have heard you know these people who are
stuck with uh issues that they don't understand. Okay, Harish thank you so much for joining us today and for starting I mean you're building because it it really does seem to be completely holistic
whereas other systems are not. It's a good uh it's a good word they use because what we did is to build our knowledge base of questioning uh we took our advisory panel of really good doctors but then we've found that folks
that crawl into and say listen there's a bigger story here so they moved into that are functional doctors they just tend to have a wider aperture of looking at the whole person and then we moved into in um holistic doctors and
ayurveetic naturopathic and then ultim ultimately what we call integrated which and it's when you get to those specialists that's where you can buy the two hours that you need and they can help you kind of construct and what I
full longitudinal history in terms of both medical records stakes it's still not easy but I'm just saying relatively speaking the harder open up and really share and sometimes they sometimes they don't know what they
they sometimes they don't know what they don't know right um and So, you know, and more things come out through past life regressions testing may sound like woo woo, but there's there's something hidden in there that caused that ailment
uh that symptom to surface, you know, decades later. So, building that story decades later. So, building that story is is can be straightforward, but uh sometimes it's it's not as straightforward. So, that's where I
going to replace that. that's going to take that personal dialogue that we'll offer as an upsell service. >> Excellent. Anyway, so thank you so much for joining us today. >> All right. Thank you.