[00:00] Welcome to another episode of Assess and Caress on Jay Leno's Garage. Tonight we're featuring three cars from the fabulous Audrain Museum in Newport, Rhode Island. If you've never been there, it's the most kinetic museum.
[00:14] I mean, every couple of months there's a whole new bunch of cars. I mean, you can go four or five times a year and never see the same vehicle. So it really is a lot of fun. They've shipped those three cars using reliable transportation.
[00:26] They ship more across the country. It's about as far as you can get on the East Coast to as far as you can get on the West Coast. And they go back. And they do a great job. Never had a car damaged, so thank you, reliable.
[00:38] With me, not so reliable, my own good friend, the man of a thousand hairs on his face, Donald Osborne, ladies and gentlemen. Now, Donald, using some algorithm I have no idea, has come up with a value for these cars that I have to get.
[00:51] What is it exactly we're doing? Well, Jay, we're here to talk about two things. One is these cars and what makes them interesting or not to us and perhaps to the world. And then the second thing is we look at how they have behaved in the market in the past five years.
[01:07] And they're actually only five years. Only five years. And what is interesting about this entire segment, which we've been doing it now for a decade, is the fact that it's always not the case that the most interesting car is the one the market cares the most about.
[01:20] And so we'll see if your idea of what's the most interesting car and my idea of what's the most interesting car match with what the people think when they go to buy. All right. Now let's start with what are the three cars that we have.
[01:32] Well, this segment is titled Americana Through the Decades. All right. So we've got three American cars, one from the 40s, one from the 50s, one from the 60s. Okay. And we've got a 1947 Buick Roadmaster, a 1956 DeSoto Fireflight Sportsman,
[01:48] and the 1966 Oldsmobile 442. Well, let's start with the 40s, shall we? We shall. Now, this is a Buehler's Roadmaster, 1947. Still has a lot of pre-war styling.
[02:02] You know, when the war ended, they were producing so many tanks and jeeps and all kinds of things. They didn't even have a chance to come out with brand new 40s. The only people that did were Hudson, and then of course they had the Tucker, which was such a sensation.
[02:15] So this was pre-war design cleaned up for after the war. Well, yes and no. This is pre-war design. This is actually the 42 Buick looks exactly like that.
[02:28] But what's really interesting to me is the fact that Buick is one of the few cars that actually have all new styling for 42. And when you think about what didn't happen during the war years, it's amazing how forward-looking this car is.
[02:40] Think about what they were producing in Europe after World War II. Right. Those are cars that really look like 1930s cars. Right. This looks like a 1950s car. You realize it's a 1942 model year.
[02:52] So I think the Harley Earl really did a great job with these cars. I think they're absolutely beautiful. This has the fireball straight-eight engine and with a manual transmission rather than any sort of dynamo. Correct, yeah.
[03:04] What's really interesting, too, about this is that many collectors feel that the Buicks of the immediate pre-war period and the immediate post-war period are actually equal to and in some ways better than the equivalent Cadillacs.
[03:17] And I have to be one of those people. And it's also interesting to look at the marketing. Now, of course, economics has changed a great deal. But this car was about $2,200 new in 1947. And the Cadillac Series 62 sedan was $2,800.
[03:31] Now, $500 today is not a big deal. Back then, it was a very big deal. But when you think about the fact that this is a Buick that's almost as expensive as a Cadillac, You really had to want that Cadillac badge.
[03:44] But that's always been sort of the case. I remember when my dad bought an Electra 225 after looking at a Cadillac, there was only a few hundred dollars difference between the two, so we got the 225.
[03:57] So it's always been a close race. Yeah, but let's talk about this too, because for our younger viewers, I have to tell the story about the fact that back in 1975, I had the chance to buy a BMW 2002 PII.
[04:12] Right. I didn't, and I chose a Volkswagen Scirocco instead, because the BMW was $4,200 and the Scirocco was $3,500. Oh, sure. That was a substantial difference in money. Yeah. So when you think about $500 back in 1947,
[04:27] that's really a substantial amount of money. But for me, this Buick delivers 95% of what the Cadillac did for that much less? Well, $500 would be about $5,000.
[04:40] It should be. It's 10 times what it was back in the day. Like, to me, I smile when people say, well, look at the cars, but something just in the $5,000 range, which makes me laugh because to me that still seems like a used car, expensive.
[04:53] You know, because we would look for $100 cars, $250 cars. I mean, my Hudson was a beautiful original car. I paid $400 for it. And I'm scraping, you know, how much change, $399, just to come up with the $400, you know.
[05:09] But you forget how that was. But, you know, these had, I mean, GM had air conditioning, they had power windows, they had all these things. When you bought a Cadillac, you got all of those.
[05:21] You got a V8 overhead valve. And when you bought a Rolls-Royce, you got a six-cylinder with a manual transmission, roll-up windows. You know, American cars were a hell of a value back in the day. It's a point that you make often.
[05:34] And I also like to point out to people, if you ever watch old European movies, watch British movies, post-war French movies, Italian movies, you always see the big shots driving an American car through these completely empty European cities.
[05:48] And you think, these people are truly kings of the road. This particular car is the king of the road and roadmaster, which I think is probably one of the best car names ever. This is the car that truly lives up to its name.
[06:00] And this particular car is really interesting. It was donated to the O'Drain Museum by a family that actually was not local to Newport, Rhode Island, but they heard about what the O'Drain does with cars and the fact that the O'Drain likes to bring the cars out and use them.
[06:14] They can do it every time the collection runs, is driven, and I've had the great pleasure of driving this car, and it is a 33,000-mile-from-new car. Wow. And it's been repainted in sections.
[06:26] The hood's been repainted. A couple of parts of the rear fenders have been repainted, but the interior is completely original, and it's a remarkable thing to experience. Another thing that you often refer to is the fact that the average driven speeds have really changed so much.
[06:40] I had the opportunity one day to take this car from Newport, Rhode Island, about a probably 35-mile trip up to Providence, Rhode Island, to do a TV appearance,
[06:52] and I thought, well, I'll take the US Roadmaster. I thought, oh, I don't want to be in morning traffic in the highway in this. But I realized, I don't have to do that. I just took the two lane roads and it was delightful.
[07:04] It was a 35, 40 mile per hour meditative experience on the road. It was spectacular. And you can see the kind of World War II influence, the gun sight here.
[07:16] Harley-Oil, they wanted to make it, you know, we just won the war. So you get a lot of pirates, guys out of the war, you always buy a kayak. It looks like the gun sight on my Spitfire or whatever it might be you know So it pretty interesting Yeah this is a beautiful beautiful car It drum brakes Has it got power steering It has power steering
[07:33] Right, okay. Which was amazing. That was an amazing breakthrough. The differences in the dynamic driving experience between an early 30s car through the mid-30s through the 40s and now into the 50s is absolutely astonishing.
[07:48] Things that we take for granted in terms of the operating of a car it's something that, as you said, was groundbreaking for the people that drove these cars. When I take my 55 Roadmaster, I would park it somewhere,
[08:00] and I'd come back, and there'd be an elderly African-American man, this is a Roadmaster? I have, for some reason, the big migration from the South, because the factories are paying black people the same money as white people,
[08:13] which I know it seems ridiculous now, but that was unfair, you know. So you had a huge migration, and the car a lot of these guys bought were Buicks. I think a couple of guys from the, uh, the Fiji Airmen, they had booze.
[08:26] And they came here, a couple of those guys. Hey, and they were all excited about seeing my roadmast. So it was kind of fun. Well, you know, you mentioned your father buying the electric 225. And I had some relatives from where my parents were in South Carolina.
[08:39] But also the people that really did well, they owned a funeral parlor and things like that. They drove Buicks. And one of the other reasons why they drove Buicks was just because of what I was talking about. The experience of owning a Buick was just like having a Cadillac, but it wasn't ostentatious.
[08:53] Right, right. You didn't call attention to yourself, but people knew, oh, for someone who's got a bit of money, so, you know. That's right. They could treat themselves. All right, let's move on. What is the next car? Next, we'll go to the 50s and our DeSoto.
[09:06] Okay. Now, this is a 1956, correct? A 1956. Was that about, was 57 the last year for DeSoto? No, 51. I think that's right. I guess, yeah, that's right, yeah.
[09:19] This is really interesting, too, because, of course, all the manufacturers wanted to duplicate the great GM ladder of brands. So they had to have a car for every one of the price ranges. Right. You know, you have to have an entry in the low-price field, the mid-price field, and the...
[09:32] It was all in the field. You always got a mid-price field. You're always in a field somewhere. I don't know what that was. The leader in the low-price... They didn't want to say cheap cars. Exactly. Low-price field.
[09:44] And you wanted to have a car that had the feeling of, it was twice in a certain field, but had the feeling of the next field up. So you had that aspirational aspect going all the time. And the Sotos were really fantastic.
[09:57] And it's an example of something that a lot of times in a ladder, the corporate hierarchy will keep the cars that are in the low end or the middle end away from the high end. So they won't really give it a lot of attention. I'm sure you see that nowadays.
[10:09] You see Maserati here, Ferrari here, Alfa Romeo, Maserati. You know, they don't let anyone get too close to the top one. Even Porsche still does it with the 918. It's never going to have more horsepower than the 911.
[10:22] I'm sorry. It is one of those things that really amuses me. Plus, of course, you know that I love design. Right. And this car is the absolute epitome of Virgil Exner's forward-looking.
[10:34] As a matter of fact, the 56 cars, these cars are called the $100 million luck. It was something that really set Chrysler apart from GM and Ford. GM and Ford really had to catch up with Chrysler on design,
[10:47] which was quite something since Chrysler had been very conservative after the failure of the airflow in the 1930s. So design was like anathema to Chrysler executives. And Chrysler was always the engineering company. That was their thing.
[10:59] And it's hard to believe now, but each brand, even though they're under the Chrysler umbrella, developed their own engine. Buick developed a Buick engine that Pontiac didn't know about Pontiac developed an engine
[11:12] that Chevy didn't know about and they would spring this as the auto show whatever a 389 421 you know whatever it might be so now GM kind of uses the same engine for everybody it doesn't seem that big a deal to people anymore
[11:24] but back in I guess the 70s was when they people they buy a they buy a Buick it's got a Chevy engine what you know people sued and went crazy yeah
[11:36] Yeah, it was absolutely nuts. But as you said, this is the golden age. The 330 cubic inch Hemi in this car is DeSoto exclusive. And, in fact, it's talking about engineering and performance.
[11:48] Now, of course, Pressard introduced the 300 the year before, and you've got a couple of 300s. Those cars are absolutely astonishing. They deliver a level of performance that people who don't know 50s American cars can't imagine what these things did.
[12:01] And the DeSoto in 56 was actually chosen as the pace car in Indianapolis. So this is a car about performance. So if you wanted that performance that gave you the impression of the 300 Chrysler,
[12:14] but you didn't want to, A, spend the money for a Chrysler 300, and you wanted something that was a little more manageable, because the 300, I think, put out something like 335 horsepower, which is insane. But this is in the high 200s, and this is a car, I've driven this car, it really moves.
[12:29] Yeah, that's right. It's a two-speed, close-flight, push-button transmission. Oh, yeah, if it can drive, it can drive. That was the thing. And it's just this amazing combination. You've often talked about one of your favorite tricell products of this era,
[12:45] the Dodge LaFemme. Oh, LaFemme, yeah, yeah. That was marketed towards women. Exactly. Had a matching handbag and a matching raincoat and umbrella, assuming that women would always wear the same clothes when they drove the car.
[12:58] You know, yeah. Exactly. Slightly silly, but I have to say this, because people were secure in their identities. There would be nothing wrong with a most manly of men
[13:11] driving this Coral DeSoto Firefly Sportsman with its incredible, almost baroque interior with the silver lurex threads in it. I mean, this is absolutely amazing. It's such style and presence.
[13:24] You know, today we've got black cars, white cars, gray cars. And that's it. That's all you have. When I was a kid, there was a guy named Mario the Carpenter who would, he's a friend of my dad's and he was Italian with the hair
[13:36] and the cigarette rolled up, you know, and he would come to dinner and he had a big Buick convertible, 58, which was, I mean, that was a chrome bolt, you know, and I always remembered
[13:48] because he would come to dinner and I, like a few days before I heard my mother say, oh, the woman always swoon whenever Mario comes over, you know, so he comes over and I'm looking, I go, hey, mom,
[14:00] I haven't seen anybody swooning, what are you talking about? You said film and Mario can never cross my mouth. He's all embarrassed by this. And Mario's like, you know, he's got the cigarette. And he keeps his cigarette here.
[14:12] He's got an extra cigarette here. Yeah, it's just very funny. But, you know, I love the colors from this era. Because when you see color film first coming in in cameras and things,
[14:24] they would shoot these cars. And, I mean, this is three colors on here. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty. Well, actually, you've got gray, pink, black. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. And these cars, as I said, dynamically are so incredibly impressive.
[14:40] And once people drive them and they get the real idea of what these are like, as a matter of fact, it's something that all three of these cars have in common, incredible driving dynamics that really sort of epitomize their eras and also deliver a great deal of satisfaction for today driving in a way you wouldn expect I don know Groucho Marx was a spokesman for this show
[14:59] And you bet you're right. Well, that's right. Look at it. Hey, what a cat this is. You know, blah, blah. And he would always say, you know, in the low-price field, this one is the best, you know, whatever it might be. You know, you're so funny. Always in the field.
[15:12] All right, let's move on to this one. And our final car, the Oldsmobile 442. And this is, again, something that, frankly, we now have a generation of people that grew up with Oldsmobile not existing.
[15:24] So you don't have that same idea of, oh, Oldsmobile and performance. But, of course, Oldsmobile built some incredibly capable performance cars, especially in this period. This and the Buick performance cars are some of my favorites of the GM muscle cars.
[15:38] Plus, I love this era of GM design. It is so incredibly clean. You think about the fact that just a few years before, cars were almost ridiculous in their over-design and over-decoration. This car is so simple and clean and elegant, and I grew up loving European cars,
[15:55] and I love this car and cars like this because they look like European cars to me. And this is like what they call the banker's hot rod. This is the answer to the Chrysler 300. It was a big, full-size car. It was a little winged GTO-sized thing, you know.
[16:08] No, this is in the media. I guess it is in the media. I suppose it would be. I've seen so huge now. But it was more comfort.
[16:20] They used to call it the iron fist in the velvet glove. That's what they used to say when they talked about it. Because the DTO was like a hot rod. Whereas this was just torque, all kinds of power. Oldsmobile had the fabulous V8 with a four-speed.
[16:36] I mean, to get a car this size with a manual transmission, and it's so much fun to drive. This is one of my favorites. We had this here for a while, and we put a new dash in it and a few other things. It's just a wonderful driving car. It drives like a modern car.
[16:49] It is absolutely astonishing. And, again, it also puts the lie to the idea that cars of this period, especially performance-wise of this period, can only go in this great line. This car handles beautifully. And also very interesting, this has got the tri-power,
[17:01] the three two-barrel Rochester carburetors in it. They're set up with a sequential linkage. So when you're just sort of idling and driving around, you're just using the middle carburetor. Right. And then as you add sort of 65%, 70% of the throttle, the outer coverages come on, and all hell breaks loose.
[17:19] Well, it's interesting because Pontiac had tri-power, but it was a dealer option. You couldn't get it from the factory. Did this come from the factory? It came from the factory. Oh, that's interesting. And you think that's because Oldsmobile didn't want Pontiac to...
[17:31] Correct. I think it was one of those things that Pontiac saw what Oldsmobile was doing. Actually, this was one year only, the 66. They had the W30, which had the same amount of horsepower, but was really a much faster car because it was geared for drag racing.
[17:45] And the 442, people have debated what it is. It's a four-speed, four-barrel dual exhaust. Isn't that correct? That, no one has ever been able to actually determine.
[17:57] There must be locked in the vault in General Motors. Yeah, yeah. The actual designation, because there are various permutations. Right. They did some 442s that didn't have dual exhausts, and it was very strange.
[18:10] It was dual exhaust, four speeds. Yeah, that's what I heard. But nonetheless, the result was this car that offered incredible performance in a very quiet package. Something that is, I won't say an acquired taste, but it requires a certain type of enthusiast to really appreciate it.
[18:28] Well, I like this body style better than the next one that came, the enduro bumpers and all that kind of stuff. It just looks like a properly styled car, a full-size car,
[18:40] even though it's an intermediate car. Intermediate, exactly, yeah. You know, this is sort of the size car that I grew up driving, and it's amazing because compared to your Catalina 2 Plus 2. Right, right. This is a much bigger car.
[18:53] Yeah, bigger. It's a full-size car. It's a full-size car. It only fits three-body, but those are six-body trunks. And you had disc brakes in the front, and drums in the back,
[19:06] and, of course, a four-speed transmission, which was a huge deal back in the day. Exactly. I mean, this is a true performance car, and, again, the four-speed gearbox also lent it more towards the driver
[19:19] who was going to actually use the car on the road as opposed to the street racer and the drag racer who wanted the automatic. Okay. Now, explain this algorithm. What are we trying to figure out now? The last five years, if it's not raining, what is the exact goal?
[19:34] It's incredibly simple. Go ahead. What might you have bought a car like one of the ones that we're looking at today, five years ago? And what would you have to pay for a car like this today? Okay. So, we're looking at the percentage of difference in the price five years ago and today.
[19:52] It's the simplest way to not pay attention to dollar amounts. Right. If you have a car that sold for a million dollars five years ago and it sells for a million five today, that's terrific. Well, that's so much easier. Oh, so it's $500,000 more.
[20:06] If you want easy, there are other things to do than be here in the world of... I just like to farm all upside down with 5% five years ago unless the guy did this.
[20:18] All right. The most important thing is for us to say what we like about these cars, what we think makes them interesting, and then see how the market responds. So, we'll take a look at what these cars have done in the marketplace in the last five years.
[20:32] Okay. Where do you want to start, Benjamin? Well, let's review the cars we have. Okay. We've got the 1947 Buick Roadmaster, the 1956 DeSoto Fireflight Sportsman, and the 1966 Oldsmobile 442.
[20:46] Now, let me ask you something. Yeah. Okay. This styling I think is interesting. It's not necessarily my taste. But this car really appeals to me because it's an original car, more than the original paint. You know, it only drives like it left the factory once.
[21:00] I mean, even when you storm, they're never the same thing. So to me, that makes it an extremely desirable car to me. So is the value based on that or is it just because it's a nice 47 Buick?
[21:15] That is a very important attribute of value. And as appraisers, we look at attributes of value in a car. What is it that makes the car interesting to a potential owner? If somebody wants to just look at a car,
[21:27] a car that you might take to an international concert de la gomme has a certain appeal and needs to have certain factors. A car that you want to take racing has certain factors that are present.
[21:40] And you look at what the cars have to offer and the size of the market, which also affects the results, as we will see very shortly. Many rare cars are valuable, but not all valuable cars are rare.
[21:53] Right. Porsche is a good example of that. Exactly. They make a gazillion of them, but they're still extremely expensive. Precisely. There are other cars that they've made 50 of, and nobody cares. Okay. Now, something I've sort of noticed, shockingly so,
[22:08] is cars from the 50s and even the 40s have fallen through the floor. it seems that way to me. We had an, I'm not sure if you know, a drain I think it was last year 41 Cadillac Belongs to a fire chief Do you remember that car It had a bell on it and a few other things but beautifully restored
[22:28] I said, boy, I really like that car. All this would probably go for $110,000. It went for $15,000. I would have bought it right there on the spot. But it was a big car, and you realize to the average person 40 or under,
[22:42] well, this is heavy steering, or God, these brakes are so hard to get to press. So it doesn't have the appeal. I grew up with that, so I don't mind it, you know. So that's the thing that's interesting to me here. That is a very important point there that you make,
[22:55] which is the fact that basically collecting comes in three forms. One is nostalgia, the car you grew up with, the car you remember, the car you left it after. The second is experiential ownership.
[23:08] This is a car that will take you to places you want to go, bring you to a club you want to have, take you on a tour you want to do. and then the third is pure investment. There are people that don't really care that much about the car
[23:21] as long as the car that enough other people are interested in and they can make it sell in a very easy way. See, that doesn't seem like a car enthusiast to me. That just seems like somebody who's flipping cars.
[23:34] To me, I've never sold a car. I keep all my... To me, you're only using my children. So I go, if it goes up in value, I don't care. be nice but it doesn't affect me because I'm not going to the house gets sold first you know and
[23:48] then and then down to the car because you've already lived in your 55 roadmaster but you can live in it again that's what live in it again and you know it it's a very comfortable car you've got a two-bedroom it's it's it's a huge car in fact I remember the time it didn't come with the radio
[24:04] you actually had live acts performing that's what it was so Mr. Leno what say you about the values of these cars last five years? Well, for me, it's tricky.
[24:17] Most people do not know DeSoto. You'd have to be my age or older. I'm maybe a little younger, but not many. It's just one of those forgotten brands that I don't think it rings a bell with anybody.
[24:30] I mean, it's an interesting car. These are interesting, but I think a bit bulbous for the average person. They go, where would I put that? My garage's not big enough. There's no backup. I mean, you have to go like this to the back of it.
[24:44] You have to turn your head, which people don't want to do. You know, oh, no back off. I'm not getting that thing, you know. So I'll start with the most valuable. To me, I would pay the most for this one because just what it represents.
[24:58] You can drive it in modern traffic. It's extremely fast. It's quick. It's quiet. So this would be the highest valued car. The car that is increased in value the most. I think so, yeah.
[25:10] Second of all, again, I'm torn. Is it because it's, this would appeal to me because it's original. It was a 47 that had been just okay shape. I would go with the DeSoto.
[25:22] But because of the provenance, it's 33,000 miles. It's got a story. I'm sure it drives as wonderfully as it. That would be second. And then the DeSoto would be third.
[25:36] Okay. So you're picking 442 Roadmaster DeSoto. That is correct. Five years ago, that DeSoto might have been bought for about $55,000, and today it was cost about $65,000.
[25:50] So you can figure one out. It went up largely because of a greater increase in style. These Chryslers were not very popular for many, many, many years. However, the look has become very popular.
[26:02] Everyone's crazy about mid-century design, and that's quintessential mid-century design. So a lot of people who are young who don't know the brand like it for the style. Well, you know, it's interesting because if you're an enthusiast and you're going to an enthusiast auction like Gooding at Goodwoods
[26:16] or the Audrain auction, those people have the eye. They know that. I go to plenty of these things around town, and you see these in $15,000 to $25,000.
[26:28] I mean, they're not in as nice a shape as that. But just because nobody knows what it is. I mean, it's like collecting watches. Most people say, just tell the time. Well, I like the most complicated way to tell the time.
[26:42] But that only appears to me. What I would pay for it is not the same as what someone else would pay for it. But okay, so you start with that one. Okay. Five years ago, this 442 might have sold for about $85,000.
[26:55] And today, it'd be about $75,000. Okay. This has actually decreased in value a bit, which is also a very interesting thing to me because, well, we'll get to that when we get to the Buick. The Buick.
[27:07] All right. Very inexpensive car, as you said. That market is fairly thin. However, good examples are rare. So that car five years ago might have been about $27,500 or so.
[27:19] Now let's take about $42,000 to buy a car like that. It's a very interesting thing. So that is the winner of the appreciation sweepstakes. However, as we were discussing, the car that's most interesting to us and most usable to us is this 442.
[27:32] Yeah, that's why this one, to me, I would pay the most for. I think most people would. When I had this here at the shop, and we did a little bit of work, I would drive it and say, what's happening? They come over, either they remember what it was,
[27:46] or they just think it's a good-looking car. It's got a stick? This has a stick? You know, you're not used to seeing a stick in a car like this, the size of a Lincoln or something, you know. So this is the one that always garnered the attention.
[27:58] People are kind of like, oh, that's a nice old car. I don't get a lot of that. But I agree with you, the history and the provenance is what makes that one expensive, but not 47 Buicks, correct?
[28:10] 47, no. This actually is a case that, again, a market which was so low has increased. So its percentage of increase is larger, even though it's still the least valuable of the three cars.
[28:23] And with the Buick, something which is very interesting is the fact that people appreciate those cars, but seek them out because they're so rare. You can't find them. And that's one of the functionalities of the marketplace because you'll find that in the auctions,
[28:37] they're filled with many new cars, cars from the 90s and 2000s, Porsches, Lamborghinis, etc. And they are the largest part of the auction market. But if you look at the sell-through rates,
[28:49] when cars like that do come up, they sell. I guess there are other cars that don't sell quite as rapidly because there are so many more of them. But you're saying it's a limited market. I have some 50 stars
[29:01] when people come oh what's that they just kind of walk right by it because it doesn't excite them the Bugatti's the other stuff it looks so different yeah but I mean I agree with what you're saying but
[29:13] of these three I would still rather have this one and I would have to say that this is probably one of the toughest episodes we've ever done in the decade we've been doing this because I would take any of these three yeah they're all
[29:25] absolutely wonderful and they all speak so beautifully to their decade into the manufacturer but this is the one you could drive the pebble beach and drive and be comfortable and not having the wife complaining or anything about it why are you in this noisy old car I mean this
[29:39] drives like a modern car I drive this car across the country drive it across the country well if you go across the country go to the Algerian Museum and you can see it in person