what could normal seos learn from devs that they don't normally consider I think the biggest thing is just knowing how to code a website cleanly like there's so many developers that use 10 million plugins on the website and obviously we both know a plugin can cause to your website being hacked like you look at any one of my websites now they've got like one or two plugins custom theme custom plugins the way the plugins and themes isn't on a public depository that any can like essentially access so for example if if you've got yast on your website think of how many other websites have that now if there's a vulnerability on that plugin it's very easy to hack into 7 million plugins and destroy a website or place links or do whatever else so I feel like that's probably the most important thing