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title: 'LIVE: Blizzard Made It Clear, It''s Happening! Comeback City Show'
source: 'https://youtube.com/watch?v=8rOsw-SE6u4'
video_id: '8rOsw-SE6u4'
date: 2026-08-09
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# LIVE: Blizzard Made It Clear, It's Happening! Comeback City Show

> Source: [LIVE: Blizzard Made It Clear, It's Happening! Comeback City Show](https://youtube.com/watch?v=8rOsw-SE6u4)

## Summary

The Comeback City podcast, hosted by Lance and Sky, delivers a hype-filled World of Warcraft community show two weeks before the Midnight expansion launch. The episode covers class pruning, legacy loot changes, the new Zalat animation, potential Starcraft revival, and a deep dive into MMO design philosophy, Classic Plus pricing, and the changing culture of gaming.

### Key Points

- **Midnight Launch Hype** [01:09] — The hosts express extreme excitement about the upcoming Midnight expansion, noting it's two weeks away and the hype is at levels not seen in roughly two years.
- **Most Anticipated Zone** [02:41] — Lance is most excited for Everong Woods, planning to explore it casually rather than rush through content.
- **Positivity in WoW Community** [04:30] — The hosts discuss why they remain positive about World of Warcraft, contrasting with ex-players who feel 'burned' by changes, comparing it to a bitter breakup.
- **Class Pruning Benefits** [08:42] — Class pruning makes it easier to try new specs, with Lance noting he learned the new Devour spec in 15-20 minutes, though some experienced players resist change.
- **Soft Reset Philosophy** [10:52] — Blizzard is doing a complete soft reset on the game—pruning classes, reworking talent trees—to peel back layers of bloat and build for the next 20 years.
- **Retail vs Classic Time Sinks** [13:12] — Retail WoW offers multiple progression paths (delves, story, PvP, crafting, housing) without mandatory time sinks, unlike Classic's arbitrary obstacles.
- **Crest Cap Debate** [15:16] — The hosts debate crest caps, with Sky defending them as safeguards against degenerates getting max gear in two days, while Lance dislikes the restriction on hardcore players.
- **Legacy Loot for Dragonflight** [20:17] — Legacy loot is enabled for Dragonflight, meaning solo players get all gear drops from bosses, making transmog and cosmetics easier to collect.
- **Love is in the Air Rewards** [23:58] — New event rewards include a butterfly mount, weapons, ensembles, and transmog. The hosts mock the 'woke' backlash, noting air mounts have always been feminine-leaning.
- **Zalat Animation Video** [28:24] — Blizzard released a new animated video for Zalat, revealing she was once mortal and her world was destroyed, adding depth to her character. The hosts praise it as incredible.
- **Starcraft Revival Rumors** [49:08] — Nexon signed a contract with Blizzard to collaborate on Starcraft content, forming a dedicated team and placing it under their shooter division, suggesting a potential FPS or third-person shooter RPG.
- **Two Competing Starcraft Shooters?** [54:10] — A report suggests Nexon's project isn't related to Blizzard's own FPS in development, implying two competing Starcraft shooters, though plans may have changed.
- **Competition Drives Quality** [01:00:05] — The hosts argue that more competition (e.g., Riot MMO, Ashes of Creation) would push Blizzard to improve, citing how Marvel Rivals forced Overwatch to step up.
- **Perfect MMO Discussion** [01:04:55] — The chat discusses what would make the perfect MMO, with ideas like SWTOR-style class stories in WoW, better PvP systems, and the sunk cost fallacy keeping players in WoW.
- **Classic Plus Pricing** [01:14:22] — The hosts agree Classic Plus should have a box price ($30-$40) and possibly a separate sub, arguing it's basic development economics and worth it for thousands of hours of content.
- **WoW on Game Pass and Consoles** [01:19:28] — The hosts support WoW coming to consoles and Game Pass to attract new players, noting the player base is aging and the game needs fresh blood to survive.
- **One-Button Rotation Accessibility** [01:23:45] — The hosts defend the one-button rotation for accessibility, citing a raider with one arm and older players with health issues, arguing it enables more people to play.
- **Star Wars Galaxies Nostalgia** [01:26:54] — The hosts share stories about Star Wars Galaxies, including the legendary status of Jedi and a guild that tried to kill one and got slaughtered, highlighting the game's unique community moments.
- **Lost Magic of Gaming** [01:31:10] — The hosts lament that the magic of discovery is gone due to social media and beta access, where players know everything before launch, contrasting with the mystery of past expansions.
- **Efficiency Culture** [01:35:32] — Lance notes that his most-viewed videos are about gearing up fast, reflecting the player base's obsession with efficiency and meta, which has changed gaming culture.
- **Midnight Launch Food Prep** [01:41:45] — The hosts discuss meal plans for the Midnight launch, with Lance preparing chicken tacos, rice, beef, and protein shakes, while Sky jokes about Taco Bell and Red Bulls.
- **Hated Character Tropes** [01:48:05] — The chat jokes about creating a character that classic players would hate—a black female lead with a hand cut off and blind in one eye—highlighting community toxicity.

### Conclusion

The show captures the excitement and speculation around Midnight, while offering thoughtful commentary on game design, community, and the evolving MMO landscape.

## Transcript

>> Heat. Heat. [music] >> [music] >> Heat. Heat.
Wednesday night edition of the Comeback City. It feels it just got real, Wednesday night, huh? It's been a couple of weeks, guys. >> Welcome to the Comeback City. I am your host, Lance, joined by the one, the
only, the great, the beautiful, the powerful Sky who still doesn't have a >> Whoa, >> guys. Holy Schnowzers, ladies and
gentlemen, if you guys are hyped, happy, and excited to be alive on a Wednesday and excited to be alive on a Wednesday night. Let's get some ones in the chat,
night. Let's get some ones in the chat, baby. you guys got to understand, we're literally two weeks away from midnight.
>> We're two weeks in one day. Is that true? >> Oh my god. >> Oh my [ __ ] god. >> Early access is in uh two weeks. >> Oh my god, guys. No, we're literally at
the point where it's an all hands on deck situation. Take the phone off the >> Oh yeah. >> Go get that line of blow. Whoa. >> Shut the curtains and let it rip.
and let it rip. Just kidding. PG-13 show. Get right. Go to church. Take care of your family. Work your 9 to5. And get ready for the >> all jokes aside, >> it's actually getting official. Lance,
away. This is absolutely insane. the hype is going to hit levels of peak that we haven't experienced in roughly 2 years. What are you most excited for? Like for you as an experienced Warcraft player, you know, someone who may not
have too much time to play casual like what what are you most excited for leading into this launch right now? >> Everong Woods. Um Everong Woods. >> Yeah, I've thought about it. Everong Woods. I'm excited to hang out there.
>> I'm going to actually um just walk it out. Am I out. Am I >> Oh, Jesus Christ. Thicky Rob, thank you for the five. Yo, guys, first of all, first dono of the
night. If you're a Comeback Kids member, community member, supporter, fan. If some comeback kid icons in the chat. Show some love to your community. Showing support. From Ropes, he says, "Thank you for the content. I wish more
channels radiated more positivity about World of Warcraft." Listen, It ain't hard thing to do. 24 >> fulltime job. >> It is a full-time gig. I sleep like this. Daddy Blizzard,
>> that's [crying] a song. Three different raid tiers in the first season. Great Mythic Plus coming up. Class balancing add-on purges, PvP balancing, the whole thing. Hard to do it.
>> Someone's got >> We're here. Someone's got to. >> We're locked in. Right or wrong, Lance? Who's the number one shells? >> We are. Who's the best Blizzard shields out in the business?
>> We are. And ladies and gentlemen, if you're in the chat, who's the best community for shilling on the planet? >> The comeback, kids. buddy. I appreciate it. Listen, all jokes aside, how can you not be about
like positive? Like, for real, though, no [ __ ] How can you not be positive about a game that you're playing and you enjoy playing every day and you consume content on every day? Like, I don't understand people who play World of
Warcraft. Now, listen, I get the hate. If you're not playing WoW, it's always going to be the number one game to [ __ ] on like 24/7. It's It's just the thing. content at WoW or playing WoW, I never understood that whole vibe. Lance, what
do you think? Well, I I I always say it's just um I think like ex players of the game, they they feel like burned by WoW for whatever changes have happened that maybe they don't like and
it's like they lost a girlfriend or or or you know, significant other and it's like I'm bitter and I'm angry but [ __ ] you for doing good without me. >> That's kind of what it's like, you know? >> That sounds about right. But but listen,
[clears throat] into it, we're officially two weeks away. I can't one question before we dive into the show. What are you guys thinking about maining heading into the expansion? And why? Are
something you've always done? Are you going to play your retribution paladin again because you can never log off him? Are you going to play your warrior cuz it's something brand new? Are you gonna play a DK because it's broken? What are
you guys going to Maine and why? I'm just curious. I want to get a little bit of a tally and I want to understand where the community sentiment is with you? What are you thinking about maning? What is it?
>> You know, we're freaks. What's going on? >> We're going to stay strong. >> Devour Demon Hunter mains. Stand up. I know >> Okay, >> give it some time. some time. They're
Midnight comes out, but that's okay. >> Oh boy. We're going to hold on tight. >> big grip, >> it becomes good. Big death grip. we're going to hold on for 12.2. >> Love it. If
hold on for 13.0 and Last Titan, baby. >> And then a bard comes out. Are you still >> Eventually, the holy DPS priest will come out and then I'll leave before it these responses. Paladin, just because I've never done melee. Interesting. Rep
That's awesome. Everything honestly going misw weaver. Frost mage is dead to me. That's [ __ ] crazy. Unholy DK here. Demo lock and prop h pally. Great good. I'm playing BM and expect Trojan to go back to warrior only. Probably
priest after a few years but it's still in the dumpster. So I'll stick with wrestle shaman. Yes. Okay. I'm going to be honest. Walto shaman. Not only is it pretty damn good on it right now. But let's continue. Got that fury warrior.
going fury warrior. That's sick. Apex talent. Always play a lock. We'll always changes. You're not wrong about that. Uh, not exactly sure yet. I don't been destroying with it. Sure, we don't get to spam our big thing, but other
abilities hitting like a truck. Well, things hitting hard and feeling good. Two separate things, right? Uh, especially with that freaking the build that they want you to play or that you're should be playing on the on the
PTR [music] pre- patch. Kind of feels like ass compared to what it feels like like ass compared to what it feels like on the beta, I will say. Uh, so just because you're doing big numbers doesn't mean it's good.
on the the >> one button rotation. Uh, my bear crazy. Fury warrior trying something different. That's interesting. VM Hunter vanilla. That's cool. Uh, hello. Good evening. I got to get back to the game
Sto. Let's go. Welcome back. Glad to see you, buddy. Um, my bear just can't seem is life. Brew is love. Yeah, that's that's the way it is. Listen guys, there's this is the first time in a long time where it feels like there are so
time where it feels like there are so many fun specs and classes to play. And give some people some time to get in here. Also, if you guys are in the here. Also, if you guys are in the guild, um, let the people know online
city is live." Get them into the show. please. Support. Help us out. If anyone's live in game, one of our officers or Broform or Ranist, I already know Ramfist is going to get on it. Yep.
He already says he is. So, shout out to you guys. But right now, is anyone else >> Okay, >> with the class pruning lance, >> it feels easier to dive into new classes now, right? So, now you can try them out
and get gameplay flavors and profiles you've never really experienced before. So, it piques your interest on some other things. For example, for you, you of Vengeance Demon Hunter. you thought that might be an angle as like a you
know obviously other than your devour but even devour in general it's a brand new spec for you never played it obviously so do you think people are maybe some healers some tanks and stuff like that I
like that I >> I would I would assume so like you know a lot of some of these classes have been >> been brought down to like even if you had no idea what the class is >> you get in there now I mean you could
minutes. >> Yeah. Yeah. mess around with it to get the nuance, but like you could pick a base of a spec complicated as you are. That's that's really good. Really? I've looked for
Comeback City. You have it now. >> What are we talking about, Mary? >> You're going to have to show me. I don't know what you mean. Um, anyways, it's a lot easier for experienced players. Some new still some still new to the genre
>> That's fair. >> That's very fair. Once again, 20-year-old game. Even though even though there's pruning, it's still going to be a little bit difficult. I had Star on my Steam deck the other day. My
girlfriend Star, she was playing on my warrior. She was still finding it very difficult compared to, you know, her her paladin. She was playing in classic with it out. So, like, yes, same exact feeling there. And it's it's not an
instant thing to pick up. But if you are somewhat experienced in RPGs, like it some of these things. Like if even learning like devour like brand new spec for me, it took literally 15 20 minutes. Now I will say that's on the easier end.
But the point is is class pruning and the add-on changes I feel like has done course, there are going to be some players out there who are experienced WoW players who hate the idea of change because guess what? Who would have
change? They're playing the same game for 20 years, [laughter] right? So, they're going to be upset. But my point is is I I was I was in the comments of getting so mad at somebody for praising the idea of the class pruning and add-on
going to bring back a bunch of borrow power? Cuz this feels like shit." And I'm like, "How brain dead could you be?" Because do you not understand? They're doing a soft reset on the game right now between the complete add-on pruning, the
native Blizzard things going on in in the game naturally natively, the complete pruning of all the classes and specs, they reworked the talent tree system back in Dra. They're doing a complete restart. So like, do you not
see the direction and in the course this thing is heading a little bit or am I am have to kind of bring it back so that they could build upon again, right? So, it's like, you know, with where it was at, how do you
game becoming overbloated, which people already said it was, right? Like, WoW was already overbloated. So, it's like >> you got to peel some layers back so that you can move forward and and continue to to,
how, like they said, they've been saying 20 years, right? For the next 20. So, back so you could take some steps forward. And also, I think there's a new philosophy in the game. And once again, you have to kind of rebuild from the
ground up to kind of start a new philosophy. It's World of Warcraft, and I've heard them say it, it's like a massive ship. It's not a very agile to make this change, let's do it right now. Like, you have to in order to make
>> you have to subtract sometimes in order to do that. So, >> I understand what they were coming from, for sure. WoW. Love the great community." Thank you. Thank you. It's a pleasure to have
you here. The game is better, but as a previous tank, no chance I come back. not a fan of the prey system. Just one more thing required for a time sync. I'll tell you what. Um, NJ number one, I don't even love Mythic Plus. I I never
have. I never really will love it to the point where I love raid progression or [music] will. But it has substantially gotten better. But your my point is is when it comes to prey system and time syncs, time syncs don't exist in retail.
>> Well, not mandatory ones >> in term in in the sense of things there just to waste your time. That does not even exist in retail. You It's so funny cuz in retail you have more cho choice to progress and and and go any direction
choice. Whether it be you can go straight up delves, you could be could just do straight up the story, you can just do PvP in arenas and battlegrounds, you could do not even raided battlegrounds in PvP. You could
just casually play. You could be a crafter. You can just do housing. You can just do uh delves, obviously. You could just be in rap. Like, there are 20 different avenues to get to the same end goal of being able to complete any
content you want in the game. One thing about classic WoW that I'm starting to playing more and more of retail, and this isn't a bash at classic, is there's obstacles in the way just to be obstacles. Like, there's a million
then it wasn't a big deal cuz it's the first time you see it. And, you know, I'm addicted to convenience now at this point. I don't want to walk 15 minutes to my corpse. I don't want to when I die in a dungeon, I have to walk into the
dungeon, walk all the way to the buckle. Like, I don't have time. I don't have time for things like that. So, time syncs don't really exist. It is point. >> I don't think delves are required for
for high end. ESP cuz if you're doing mythic plus spam mythic plus you don't need to touch a delve. And by the way, if you want to raid at a high end, you don't even need to touch mythic plus. You could just spam delves and prey and
single week. So, that's not true. >> Unless I mean, if you're mythic raiding, sure. But if you're a mythic grader, I think um you're a degenerate anyway. >> Well, hold on. Wait. At a high-end, he said high end, not the highest end. I
incorrectly. assume you mean and and yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. I assume you're talking about like trying to mythic. >> You're not talking like like doing
there's a cap on the guilded crest unless you unless you do mythic plus. thing I don't like about retail, and we have to be honest, I don't love that there are caps on the crest that restrict you a
sweat, they should let people sweat [music] in my personal opinion. I don't like like there have been times during season openings where I'm going hard as game anymore. It's happened to me in season 3 and season two on my Warlock at
page, and I I couldn't do anything. What are your thoughts on that? And by the you too, what do you guys think about something, for example, like the crest cap system, them capping things on the crest,
right? Explain. >> I mean, those are safeguards so that the real degenerates don't get max gear in two days and then they're done, right? Because yes, WoW players and all, right? Like they will they will optimize
and do as much as they can if you don't have those safeguards. So, I do get it. While it does feel like [ __ ] I do understand it. Um I I like what they've been doing with the turbo boost and after the.5,
you know, opening it up and and letting the floodgates go. I I don't know. I don't know how good it would feel. At least for someone like me, it would feel pretty bad. Like I have no way to catch up or keep up with people. It kind of
caps. >> Mhm. So, preventing me from playing. I love raiding but hate Mythic Plus. But Mythic wait, wait, wait, wait. Mythic Plus isn't required for raiding. Mythic plus
is required probably for mythic rating. But if you want to if you want to be in the top 1%, you got to do 1% [ __ ] That that's a mentality problem from you That's your problem. Not World of Warcraft's problem that if you want to
That's your fault for not wanting to do that and think that way. And if your thinking you have to be the best but don't want to do the work for it, sounds like a you issue. Be honest. If we're max dgens do that, then they have zero
opinion. By the way, I agree with that, too, because people say things like, "Oh, um, what's the word? Time gating." >> Blizzard's reason of doing it is player get those people to keep logging in for an extra two months
>> because they can still get, you know, >> however many Mythic Plus dungeons they have to do every week. in order to get their cresc Yeah, I guess uh I guess you're kind of right about that one. Uh also, by the way, ladies and gentlemen,
really really quick, we are posting additional long- form content on our news video breakdowns, and the one that we just posted today is our number one video out of our last 10 videos over there. So, if you guys are interested,
be disappointed. Absolutely amazing content. Really, really good stuff over stuff, World of Warcraft as well as the comeback hits. Uh, Trojan, I have a who literally raid logs normal raid who gets the gear crest needed to pug
heroic. That's literally what I Yeah, I I agree with you. Like, you really don't heroic raiding. Mythic completely different story, different animal, but I think heroic is like I mean, what are we even talking about here? Like, heroic is
like the old normal. You know what I mean? That's how I like to think of it. like the it's like the wrath of the Lich King normal. I don't know. Some of these heroic bosses aren't that easy, man. I mean, I
agree, but like, man, there are there is like some crazy fights back then that were very difficult on normal difficulties. Like, there are some layup wrong, there's some difficult [ __ ] in heroic going on, but like
I don't know. It just doesn't >> feel like Manford Omega was the hardest >> Eloy get over there, guys. If you haven't seen the second channel, dude, telling you guys, you're going to love the content. Great extra consistent
check it out. Uh, like you said, it's all on how fast you want to progress. It's definitely not a requirement. 100%. That's what it's about. So, and and I part about retail. Wow. You can progress at your pace for the most part, unless
which I don't exactly love. >> Well, that still would be your pace. Well, the problem is is it's your pace until you get >> until you get aled. Molly. Yeah. Until you get Molly walked. So, anyways,
ladies and gentlemen, let's dive into now the news, the topics, the discussions, the weekly cool down. All right, it's time for the weekly that went down in World of Warcraft this week. From blue posts and patch notes to
class changes, leaks, and more. We're breaking it all down for you right now. Whether you missed a day or the whole week, click that Hearthstone and get week, click that Hearthstone and get ready because this is your reset.
know what time it is, man. It's time to dive into the weekly cooldown. What's doing? What are we talking about? What's the news? What's the scoop? Lance, is there big news to talk about this leak? What's going on, Lance? Any ideas?
>> Is it really? >> Legacy loot enabled for Dragonfly. Oh, Lance, you spoil and dirty dog. >> Right on. cool name. I like that. Shout out to you. Thank you for the sub at tier one.
I appreciate it. By the way, if you guys want to throw out any primes over on the Twitch, show some love. And guys, don't forget someone donates, someone supports man. Throw up the comeback kids emotes. Show some love to your fellow community
members. Come back kids. Come back kids. Hey, come back kids. Oh, come back. Anyways, moving on. Uh, so yes, guys, as you may have heard, legacy loot is now enabled or the dragon flight solo old content for more very loot. Lance, what
does this mean for someone who has no idea what the hell is going on here? Uh, means if you go and let's just say you solo that content, >> it will allow all the gear to drop instead of just like it's, you know,
>> Okay. Okay. >> Or not personal loot, but it will only for you now. every boss you kill, everything you do, there's going to be loot instead of remember we just did um what's that
dungeon in Dragon >> mega dungeon. And only like half the >> Interesting. >> So now every time you go and kill >> But yeah, dungeons from the current and most recent expansion gear drop curated
group with four cloth in one plate will generally average more than twice as melee ones. Raid's a little bit more complicated. Yeah, yeah, whatever. previous expansion required a level 11 difference. Okay. falls under legacy
means that all the dungeons raised from the past expansion benefit from a healthy damage multiplier, allowing players to much more easily solo them. But not only that, all bosses will now drop loot from their entire table rather
specializations, allowing solo or small groups of players to collect the wider variety gear without changing characters. Zavarel with the sub with the prime. Thank you so much, baby. Prime Prime on your dime. Thank you so
much. Appreciate the live, guys. Listen, throw up the comeback kids emotes. You guys know what time it is. Come back kids. Come back kids. Come back kids. some uh >> No, I'm hitting that up. So, the idea
>> No, I'm hitting that up. So, the idea is, guys, for dragon flight now, it is now, I guess, easier to sort of get the transmog and cosmetics, and the dungeons and raids are easier to clear in a solo form category now. So, the scaling's a
there and not get your ass whooped if you're trying to run things on heroic or mythic. Especially now if you actually level up and hit level 80 in the next it is. Right. We're 70 now. >> Oh my god.
>> We're at 80 right now. >> Jesus Christ. Anyways, you go to 90 and it'd be even substantially easier. Damage buff is not ex exactly active yet. Yeah, I think that counts now more when you hit
>> How could we do it then? I think. Okay. [laughter] Okay. That still hits at 81. Okay. Okay. That's cool. That's cool. Okay. Um anyways, so yes, easier loot. I know. I'm going What's the mega dungeon called
Jesus Christ. I just ran it the other day with Lance like three [ __ ] >> Is that it? >> Got it in my head. >> That's insane. So, yes, I'm going to go hit that up. There's a two-handed axe I
need in there from Grosh Hellscream that I am dying to obtain. Um, getting into other things continuation. Uh, moving on, we have new rewards from Love is in the Air. So, we got the brand
>> nice >> event going on here. Uh, people were absolutely freaking out and getting pissed off that World of Warcraft has a butterfly mount. Lance, what are your thoughts on
Twitter. I should have screenshotted it. the way, ladies and gentlemen, whenever I ask Lance anything, too, I want to think about this butterfly mount? Has
WoW gone woke? Go, Lance. air mounts were always a little bit like, you know, a little bit on the uh more feminine side, right? So, what what are we upset about?
Zero's right. At this point, it feels like people get mad just to get mad. >> Yeah. I I don't >> Turn off Twitter. They're cooked. Yeah, >> First off, that mount looks awesome. >> It's Love is in the Air. It's kind of
>> Yeah. I mean, >> by the way, this is just one variant. I think there was a couple uh similar mount uh skeletons like this added in Midnight that looked insane. I saw one that was like black and red and it
one that was like blue and black, like jet black, and it looked nuts. What's up, Dash? How we doing? Good looking. >> Every single classic Andy Crying Blizzard went woke plays a female blood elf. Let's be real, by the way. It's so
elf. Let's be real, by the way. It's so [ __ ] true. Ah, that's it. It's time [ __ ] true. Ah, that's it. It's time to Wow. It's time to rage. These retail Andes, they have no story, no world. I'm going to go spam hellfire
ramparts for 14 hours straight and get one level. I don't woke game chuds one level. I don't woke game chuds feminine women >> God forbid there be a black person in the game.
>> It's true though. God forbid. Yo, they see Fyron, they're like, >> "Yo, settle down." >> No. [laughter] God, no. A they put a black person in my game.
Like these people are unhinged, bro. >> Crazy, bro. Anyways, moving into it. So, love is in the air tonight. Mount, [music] weapons, ensembles, transmog, >> So, they do have the events going on and I believe Stormwind and Ormar. Um, so
do the dungeon uh daily lockout. You can pie you can buy the uh ensemble for 100 tokens, which by the way are super easy to get. I think you get like 130 on your first goaround per account. So, you can literally you can instantly buy the
ensemble within probably half an hour, which is pretty cool. Not only that, they have all this stuff, which low key, like if I had like a like a female blood like if I had like a like a female blood elf like caster. Want to make her a bad
[ __ ] I'm going with one of these. This is actually pretty low-key kind of cool. Um, all jokes aside, uh, and then of course you have the, uh, the street that thing is cool. I don't know. >> That is a cool mount. I have the silver
moon one. Um, >> but the fact that it's another one one a I feel you. >> He's a reason to be upset. >> Yeah, a lot of people have made that that same exact comment. The one-handed
one-handed sword actually, I think, is the best thing. Um, it's actually not >> Listen, that one-handed sword is fresh. >> I don't like that. Is that the axe or a >> That looks like an axe. Uh, the way I see it from decades of MMO playing, if
to stare at their ass for hours on end, it needs to be a cute one. Blood Elf. what do you mean now all the characters aren't straight white manly men? Yeah, what we were arguing about. By the way, Max, what's going on, baby? So, she
would make that. Oh god. How we doing, Max? Welcome. Welcome one and all, baby. if we had the chance last week to talk about it. I I genuinely don't even >> we did. >> We did. Um, so if
results on some of this. I saw a player on a mage only. It was like 1,200 days on a mage only. It was like 1,200 days straight mage. It was ridiculous. Like, I don't know if it was photoshopped or what, but it was not normal. So, I I'm
very curious. What are some of your slash plays across your account? Um, I thought that was at least rather interesting. Uh, additionally coming with that as well, something a little bit more on the bigger news side. Um, we
bit more on the bigger news side. Um, we got the brand new Zalat animation supremacy video hyping up for Midnight Lance. What is this? What What is this video? >> It's uh an animated video in the style
>> It's uh an animated video in the style of like uh the Warbringers or the you >> When did they start those? Like back in like postmob or something. >> Oh, brother. Bam. Bam. Thank you so much for the sub, man. Appreciate the love
with the prime, guys. You know what? You guys know what time it is >> with the comeback kid icons in the chat, baby. Show some love, guys. Come back. don't remember. >> I don't know. From my earliest memories,
Wad for sure. >> No, Mop had them. Mop had them. >> Did Mop have them? >> Yeah, >> I know for a fact WAD. I just I wasn't
>> Mop had it. So did have it. Maidens >> the emperor. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, no [ __ ] For Throne of Thunder and >> Yeah. Talking about Yeah. How they uh >> um
giving them giving her a sympathetic backstory. They love those. Yeah, you're definitely right. Um they never love to keep a villain a villain for long unless keep a villain a villain for long unless he's got his nipples out.
>> Oh [ __ ] You dirty little boy. You dirty little boy. Jailer. You [ __ ] Anyways, uh continuing. So, yes, uh she did get her own animated little video here, and phenomenal. We are going to watch it in case you guys did not. It is really,
really [ __ ] good. Um so, let's take a second. I did see it. I did. I had to finish it to write a segment on it, but we did check it out. So, ladies and gentlemen, let's dive into it. Let's check out this animated video and uh
check out this animated video and uh we'll discuss it in just a second.
There's too many. [screaming] us. We'll be consumed. [groaning]
us. We'll be consumed. [groaning] >> My etherealss will never be found again. Salat [screaming] be damned. >> Look at that. That's insane. The freaking jaw rip.
Epic. >> RETREAT. RUN NOW. [screaming] >> SALADAR. >> SALADAR.
>> Pointless resistance. >> I love her. By the way, that jump scare got me really bad first time around. really bad first time around. >> You and your people have been slaves,
fed scraps. But I offer you a freedom beyond >> Empty promises. What do you know of our suffering?
What do you know of our suffering? They say that I am the harbinger of the void, that I am the blade of the black empire that I am the blade of the black empire that was.
me. But I'll tell you the truth no one living has heard. >> Who loves our time? >> Long, long ago. >> Oh [ __ ] I was mortal
>> Lance whipped out the blade of the black empire. Holy [ __ ] empire. Holy [ __ ] >> Eternal. What's going on? How we doing? decided to do. So, they they definitely just decided to go the route that she
was once mortal and her world got destroyed. Very interesting. Dewey, what's going on? Good looking. >> No, no can do. This is my dagger. >> No, no can do. This is my dagger. I drown in hatred and vengeance
just like you. >> Jesus. >> Jesus. >> But the one thing I've learned
is that survival is all that matters. Incredible. >> What I'm about to do ensures survival for all our kind.
>> You are one of us. You >> No, brother. That was her. >> Now >> That was her who got turned out. But only I offer a true path forward.
only I offer a true path forward. Survival and more is at my guy's such a >> My god, >> you can lead them all.
>> This [ __ ] dude, he went from Demensius to Zalad. This guy is just he is the worst leader. Like I mean I guess in that situation
you don't really have an option but like >> you know he >> I mean you went to Demensius and like within a short period this like her
I mean what are their other options? >> I mean right there none. I I guess he doesn't have any but I I don't know man. I mean, it was either e at that point it was either you join Zh or you get [ __ ] on as the other ones
got [ __ ] on by those void. >> Yes, the choice is yours.
>> I mean it's not like she gave him a like it was a choice but it [music] wasn't >> Yeah, but that's how it always is with Zalat. It's always a choice that you you she makes it seem like you do. That's it's the most like mind [ __ ] thing she
always does. Like it was the same thing with her helping us with Demensius. The then actuality we really didn't. We needed her and we knew what was going to happen in the end. One thing about her is she doesn't really lie, but she will
definitely not scared to stab you in the back. She'll she'll tell you what's just speaks like half >> truth. Yeah. she'll just withhold the rest of it. But, um, I thought this was incredible, man. I I thought this was
animation. I I don't know about you guys, she is easily one of my favorite villains of all time in general. I'm I'm talking even outside of World of Warcraft because like don't get me wrong, things like I've dated someone
Haven't we all? Don't [clears throat] get me wrong, like Arthus, cool guy, but this is just I I don't know. I don't know. I I I arc is the best. We have to
see how her arc ends. >> Well, no. Sure. But I meant his not his entire story. I meant as he's the Lich King, as he's a villain. He doesn't have like I don't know to like to me she has something that no one else has. I don't
something that no one else has. I don't know what it is, but she is just [ __ ] awesome to me. I don't know why. I [ __ ] love this character. Well, the [clears throat] keeping her mysterious is the best.
>> I know that's crazy. Her toes. I knew it. I knew you people were go there blockers. >> She She's got the the mysterious thing >> She She's got the the mysterious thing where it's unknown and it's kind of
where it's unknown and it's kind of ominous. That's what kind of keeps her ominous. That's what kind of keeps her Yeah. interesting. And I actually like this animation a lot. I love it. I don't know if I guess maybe letting us know
that she was immortal is cool cuz it's like how did she end up with this power? I don't want to know everything about her. Like let's keep her a little bit >> She's definitely still mysterious and like there's still a lot to learn
throughout and and I'm praying to God there's not something terrible happens expansion. That would be a [ __ ] nightmare in my opinion. Um but I want to see how it progresses into The Last Titan. And I think little by little we
here or there. So, and I think it's I think it's important for things like that. >> My um [clears throat] my theory now I'm starting to think that what's going to happen is we're going to start seeing
that the Titans are evil and then we're going to end up joining her to fight the >> Mhm. >> That could You know, I did hear that Pyromancer made a little bit of a theory that
she could be doing all this to potentially try to regain her world soul and revive her world back after being destroyed. There's that theory going around. Um, so that's kind of interesting. Dion Nord, what's going on,
Queen Ansurk. Uh, >> I mean, she's done that to everyone. >> I mean, she's done that to everyone. >> Yeah, she's a she's a [ __ ] scholiver. >> us everybody. Literally down the line, she she will betray you. Like, you know
that. And but the thing is, she always puts herself in situations in areas where there's a bigger batter and for some reason you got to team up with her. where you're forced to and then she'll use you, exploit you, and then kick you
to the [ __ ] curb the second she can. So, like, she's not I think why I love her is she's not so on the nose. Like, it's always a mystery. You never know her next big plan. Like we all know what Arthus was about, man. Like I knew what
he was about. Everyone and and that's an incredible villain. I'm not saying was it was like >> it was very simple what he wanted. Thrones sort of >> and there was beauty to it.
>> Yeah, it's incredible. But there is something incredible also about not subscribe with the prime. Yo, thank you so much, baby. Appreciate the love, comeback hit icons, man. Show some love to your community support members, man.
Throw some love out there. Comeback kid icons in the chat. Thank you so much, buddy. I appreciate it. Um, but I think I think they're well on their way with really fun seeing a little bit more of her. And I got to say, I'm I'm really
excited. I really really am. I'm I'm excited to see where this story heads. uh I want to do the campaign for Midnight. I wasn't like I did, you know, Within obviously, but I wasn't like super excited for the War Within story.
>> I'm I'm [clears throat] pretty excited to do the campaign in Midnight. >> Yeah, I agree. Like the War Within, I was I was sure I was excited. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise, but >> Midnight and everything that's going on
leading into it, it has me very very excited for every zone, for every raid. You know what's crazy about War Within? The the side stories in the zones were >> Crazy. >> Like the stories in Ashka were awesome.
>> Like the stories in Ashka were awesome. The stories in Undermine were great. Um even in even in Caresh, those were amazing. some really like good and deep moments and there was moments where I got like
sad at some of these stories in in the War Within and the side stories and then the main story just didn't really hit. I don't understand. I agree. Uh, I'm in the war within. You tell me there's no artifacts in Kazgar. Yeah, I don't
long overdue for additional professions to be added to World of Warcraft. Like, I it's been a very long time. >> The fact that archaeology hasn't been a like, come on, man.
>> Well, even like now, like carpenting, like directly making furniture or like >> like I I don't know. Like I are there is there not other options out there? What else could you add? Like, why don't we expand on fishing? It's been the same
[ __ ] thing for 20 years. We can't make it a little bit more engaging. my thing. >> Even cooking like cooking's cool, but like I feel like there's like I don't know. Like I don't know, man.
>> I I think there I think there definitely need to do things when it comes to professions to expand on, but that's that's beyond me. Um, [clears throat] you guys think Blizzard will ever go multi? No. I really hope I I don't think
so and I praying to God they don't. Multiclassing I think is when your game dies. Like ESO tried to do it out of desperation and they just reverted. >> I don't think he means in the way ESO does it. I think he means it like Final
>> be whatever. >> You're a priest now. You're a mage now. >> Oh, so kind of like New World. >> No, like Final Fantasy 14
any class at any point. Yeah, but New World can just swap to one. >> Yeah, but the weapons were glasses. >> Sure. I mean, I guess in that case, >> Sure. I mean, I guess in that case, >> so like New World. Um I don't know. I I
don't know. I don't know if I would love that. It's interesting. >> Um FM forever FM to be honest. The war within cinematic with Thrawn, in my they've ever done. It gave me chills all over. Yes, love that.
>> Yeah, I'm going to be honest. Um I think that goes down as my top two or three like expansion cinematics ever. The War Withins. Um, me and Lance just watched it the other night. Full screen blast, complete dark. Yeah, it was [ __ ]
incredible. Um, and by the way, I don't really know how people hate Anduin as a character. I'm like, the more I I research him and and learn about him, the more I love the character and think he's just awesome. Am I crazy? Did you
Did you read the short story that came out about him before the war with him? out about him before the war with him? >> Which one? the one where he's on in um ship or whatever. He's in what is it? Stormong Valley and he's on the farm and
>> Yeah, >> I hated And the boy king. I'm liking And the grown man. Yeah, me too. I'm I'm I've liked him a lot post Shadowlands of what he's becoming. And I'm Listen, guys, I'm going to be honest. I really
there is a really good opportunity to have a nice one-two punch of like and I don't want to get into this topic but I'm talking about just a real hero like figure um like strong like figure to lead World
of Warcraft Anduin [music] and uh oh my god Jesus Christ and erator one-two punch combo to lead the next generation it like a real like push. I think there's an opportunity there and I I think it
could be really really exciting. >> Well, you have to hope that Midnight >> Well, you have to hope that Midnight starts allowing Anduin to to have some like shining heroic moments, you know,
>> like allow him to kind of start coming into his own and then I think Last Titan is where you let him really shine and become like the leader.
>> That's what I would say. I had >> so like this is the initiation plot into >> showing him and both becoming like badasses and then they both kind of step time. >> Very interesting. Deluxe, what's going
the love, man. Um yeah, interesting. Interesting, I would say, uh to say the least. Uh by the way, guys, don't forget right now we are doing an active giveaway on our Discord. Pay attention. Lance, you want to hand me uh one of
those and you grab one? Um guys, we are getting a giveaway sponsored by Secret getting a giveaway sponsored by Secret Labs. Um we got the covers for the Lich King as well as Illan. We have the information in our Discord. Is it under
>> It's in the giveaway tab. >> The giveaway tab over on the Discord. So up, the details are in there. You can win one of these bad boys. Absolutely incredible stuff here. It's for especially World of Warcraft fans if you
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>> Yes. >> It said on the message, I think uh 48 >> and whatever, whatever the case may be, no problem. Um so, just want to let you interested in the Streamlabs, you know, or not Stream Labs, Secret Labs
hours and then do the announcement on >> or whatever the case may be, baby. Uh, thank you XX with the Prime. I you guys know what to do. Throw out the comeback. Hit icons. Let's get it going.
Show some community support. Uh, what's the giveaway? It is that it is for Secret Labs chair covers. Both aid and an Arthus one are on the chopping block >> If you go in the Discord, you'll you'll see more about it.
valid. Anyone have a Discord link they could send in the chat for us? Any So, uh, in case you guys are wondering what it actually looks like, don't know if you guys can see that at all. Um, it's just these really cool
little covers for your Secret Labs chair that look phenomenal. World of Warcraft, like I'm sure all of you do. So, if you guys are interested, it's going to be a good one. Uh, and then lastly,
I wanted to get into some new announcements. Um, pull up a chair in the Arcantina in Midnight. What's the hell's going on spotlight on the Arcantina, a cozy tavern offering comfort and respite from
players and familiar characters throughout Azeroth. Now, let me ask you guys something. How sick would it be if you can go in here and play like other Blizzard games like Hearthstone or like Warcraft Rumble or something and like
>> That would be incredible. >> Wouldn't that be kind of insane? Or is that like asking too much as a freaking World of Warcraft player? think that'd be pretty cool. I mean, they could just have you link your your
>> Yeah, I feel like it wouldn't be >> right. So, I mean, how hard could that be, right? Uh, Blizzard is really Yeah. So, although themed as a safe haven getaway, the Arcane Street is also a
quest hub featuring a revolving roster of familiar faces who may send players and search for items from their past, similar in theme to the garrison in from earn exclusive rewards, adding welltraveled charms to both the
Arcantina itself and matching sets of decor for your own player home. Thank you for the follow, mittens. Appreciate it. Intended to be I can't see. Shout out mittens. Intended to be an evergreen feature beyond the scope of midnight. We
can look forward to more content rewards being added long into the future as well. It's not too bad. Okay, so some decent visuals here. Not too bad. Not too shab. Not too shab. So, you go in there, do some quests, hang out, goof
off. Uh, to gain access to this, you'll first need to complete the journey quest line up to the quest the Arcantina from Kurdren Wildhammer. Damn, he's still alive. You receive a temporary key for your first visit, but upon completing
key to the Arcantina toy added to your collection. Okay, cool. So, you can just go back whenever you want, dive in there, get some stuff, cosmetics, awesome. Osiris, what's going on, baby? How we doing? Uh we're we're chilling,
time. By the way, remember guys, if you are in the guild and you are in in game comeback kids are live over on the Comeback City YouTube and Twitch channels. We're trying to uh continue our streak of having over 200 live
active viewers. So, if you guys can help us out, would really appreciate the love us out, would really appreciate the love and keep the show moving. Um, something else very, very interesting that caught me off guard really big,
that caught me off guard really big, ladies and gentlemen. I think Starcraft ladies and gentlemen. I think Starcraft might be back. Now listen, me and Lance just the other day were saying how Starcraft, I don't know what's going on.
They got this big Overwatch reveal. They got the World of Warcraft reveals and roundup, whatever. And then they got the Diablo one just today, which they revealed a bunch of information. And we were like, "Okay, where's Starcraft? Why
don't understand. How can you have such a phenomenal IP and not do anything with a phenomenal IP and not do anything with it?" Well, ladies and gentlemen, holy [ __ ] Starcraft may be back. Now, let me break down why. Um, I do get give
over on the last news video on our do want to check it out there, you're more than welcome to. Um, but pretty much the short and sweet version is that according to entry sources on February
2nd, which was a little over a week ago, Nexon signed a contract last year with Starcraft Warcraft Diablo, to collaborate on content related to the Starcraft IP. The company was has reportedly formed a dedicated team and
recruited key talent to prepare for the project. A particularly notable Ho, who created one of the maps in Starcraft, which is a really big hit. understands the Starcraft system and knows how to make it fun, is seen as a
strategic mode to explore new variations beyond the RTS genre. So, the idea is it's already been picked up by Nexon for for a little roughly over a year. they're pushing it, but not as an RTS genre, as something else. So, has been
placed under the shooter division within Nexon. It's officially announced put under the shooter division of Nexon, which is responsible for games like that is. This adds weight to the belief that the Starcraft IP will be reborn as
a firsterson shooter or third person shooter FPS rather than a strategy shooter FPS rather than a strategy simulation like the original. Holy [ __ ] Starcraft may be getting a third person shooter RPG like game, guys. What are we
shooter RPG like game, guys. What are we thinking about this? this point Starcraft is like feeling like abandonware. Like, when did Starcraft 2 come out? How many years ago?
something. I mean, just make something. Anything, you know? I I don't understand how. And by the way, if they just made Starcraft 3, let it be an RTS, it would >> I mean, you're right.
the universe a little bit more. It's a very great univer universe, so yeah. Um, no, Dash, I don't think they would do an MMO, but probably um
I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? You're going to say Starcraft MMO? I I'm going to be honest, I like the idea. I do, but it's like why would they compete with World of Warcraft? Like they don't need to. Now, I think if they were to
make an MMO, I would prefer it in the Diablo universe for me personally. >> I don't I don't think they would go MMO because it they take so much money to make >> and
themselves. >> Yeah, it's go with and go with a genre >> Yeah, it's go with and go with a genre that is popular. So, honestly, maybe an extraction shooter. >> Extraction shooter. How about you?
saying I could see something like that coming. >> No, I I if I had to guess, it'd probably be something along the lines of either like a Halo route or a Gears of War route with within Starcraft. That's my
guess. I don't know. Whatever that may mean. >> I could be going Zeratol. >> Sure. I love Zeratul. Love the protos. >> be that guy. >> Don't make me play the zerg.
>> Nope. >> I don't like zerglings. I don't like >> Uh it's probably going to be their answer to Call of Duty like how Overwatch attempts to get the CSGO crowd. I mean, God does Call of Duty
>> Duty. That's not the route they're going >> falling flat lately. That game's a disaster. Anyways, so the idea is that ladies and gentlemen, Starcraft could be getting an FPS thirdp person shooter and I think we all know, you know,
Blizzcon's coming up and there are a piss ton of Bloomberg reporters who are assuming that it's going to be announced at Blizzcon [music] and even someone uh the executive editor Jez Cordon who went on to speculate that the game would be
on to speculate that the game would be the headline of BlizzCon 2026. >> that about adds up? >> That would be insane. >> That would be insane. That adds up. That adds up. However,
recent report stating that whatever Nexon's working on isn't related to the first person shooter currently in development at Blizzard, despite the also been placed under their shooting division. This leaves us with even more
questions than we started as it implies two competing Starcraft shooters are being developed. Though Blizzard would be much further along at this point, it also seems a bit odd that Nexon would hire a famed real-time strategy mapmaker
as any kind of lead for a shooter. Though, we can presume that he would be working on one of several sub projects. It's been difficult to verify any their map. Though, it could be one of the many Temple Siege remakes. That
said, it's also possible that plans have changed. changed. All right. So, it could be also multiple games being made within the Starcraft IP as well. So, they've already been
to Jason Shrier. And then this guy getting hired to now, you know, be a part of a division with Nexon. There could be potentially multiple types of, you know, Starcraft games. It just seems very weird that like
every other game got some big massive announcements over the last few weeks and Starcraft literally was just left high and dry. Like like Destiny. Holy [ __ ] Could you imagine a like a Destiny like Starcraft
>> That would be nuts. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Yeah. By the way, ramp, we're probably we're probably getting the Last Titan in like a reveal of Last Titan kind of like we did a game for Gamescom for Midnight
at BlizzCon. That's probably coming because um >> right before BlizzCon comes out, we would have just gotten uh 12.1. We would have probably got the the announcement of 12.2 right before BlizzCon and then
of 12.2 right before BlizzCon and then they'll announce Last Titan at Blizzcon. That'd probably be what's gonna happen. New Starcraft is a Blizzcon thing, not one of these videos. Yeah, exactly. So that that's literally our point is like
if they didn't do this for Starcraft at all, it it just leads us to believe that that's it. It's as simple as that. So like they're going to be patient. They're going to hold off. They're not going to [ __ ] you know, mess around
the same thing with Classic Plus. Like we know it's going to happen now. It's like, okay, now it's a little bit on the nose now. Like, seems a little bit too good to be true. Like, we could feel it coming now at Blizzcon.
something is going to get revealed. Whether it be at minimum a new RTS, a Whether it be at minimum a new RTS, a brand new game, an RPG, or even I mean, God willing, something really much deeper, maybe even like a Destiny game,
but for Starcraft. So, I don't know. I think it's interesting. I'm going to be game like that. I would >> 100%. >> I would have a dedicated channel strictly for that game. Listen, I don't
know about you guys. But it's starting to feel like work today. It's starting to feel like anything Blizzard touches or does, the
player base is always there. The viewership is there. The good content is there. The consistency is there. Even if people [ __ ] on it, keep [ __ ] playing >> Yeah. So, I don't know. Like, I I'm I'm starting to realize over the course of
like playing retail over a year and a half, like as much as people want to sit here and [ __ ] on retail, the numbers just continue to be there and perform just continue to be there and perform and go up and up top to bottom. So, like
the whole thing for me is like anywhere or anything Blizzard touches, they seem to succeed at. That's what it's starting to feel like. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, even Overwatch had its slump, but right now
it's it seems to be back on the rise. I >> mean, they just took out [ __ ] five heroes for Overwatch, and that game's player base is booming now. At least for >> which Overwatch is cool. >> Marvel rivals made them have to be
that. >> Let's do it, baby. Easy breezy. >> Blizzard does it to themselves like half the time. Yeah. I mean, I guess. the time. Yeah. I mean, I guess. >> You're not wrong. I mean, sure, guess
you're not wrong. Like, Blizzard does tend to shoot themselves in the foot at times. And like, if there isn't steep competition, they tend to play it safe, whole Ashes of Creation thing. Like, I was really hoping that Ashes, Riot MMO,
even like I was praying to God somehow someway Pantheon would pick up steam six years ago. Anyways, my point is is more competition. Has everyone performing their best. That's always good. Competition is what
breeds high quality [ __ ] and hardworking like environments. Like I don't know. I crazy for thinking something like that? Like I want a competitive MMO space to make World of Warcraft good. Yeah. No, I mean 100%. Uh, Goose Comic
especially with the rest of the layoffs from 2X KO." Listen, 2X KO. I don't think anyone asked for that [ __ ] I mean, fighting game from League of Legends. First of all, weird. I don't
They really thought they were like invincible at that point, being like, "Fuck it. Let's dominate the fighting game genre." Yeah, you thought releasing eight characters in a video game that took 6 years to make. Like I don't know
what you're talking about. >> 2KX slack, bro. >> 2x KO, whatever the [ __ ] game's called, is a [ __ ] joke. Like, >> Anyways, my point is is like if that Riot MMO even has a slight chance of
Yeah, Blizzard's going to be on the ball. And that's why I was hoping with Ashes of Creation until Steven the Thief [ __ ] came out and just screwed everybody. I was really hoping that game was gonna continue and pick up steam and
try to bang and just be [ __ ] like amazing because it would have made World amazing because it would have made World of Warcraft better to be honest. of Warcraft better to be honest. I mean, yeah, the only competition now
is uh really Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy, and Elder Scrolls Online. >> And that [ __ ] ain't even close. Those games aren't even close. I will say Guild Wars 2, whether you personally like the game or not, they do a lot of
>> I'm sure. I mean, they have to. They're still alive. They're like them and Final >> They're I I don't know player base numbers, but Guild Wars 2 is putting out expansions every year. >> Has anyone played Guild Wars 2 recently?
Guild Wars 2 is a solid ass MMO. >> I never ever ever got into Guil Wars 2 like that. like deep in the endgame to even understand what's going on. Never, ever, ever. Interesting. I mean, it's not, you know,
Interesting. I mean, it's not, you know, not every MMO is for everyone, but that game is um, listen, they do a lot of good [ __ ] and the people who play to [clears throat] say about Guild Wars. Even when they're not playing it, they
say about it. Thank you, Jackie Moon, for the follow. Shout out Flint Tropics. Uh, MMO shouldn't be theme parks. Guil Wars 2 is great. Final Fantasy is closer that. >> Um, so actually, uh, I disagree with
MMOs shouldn't be theme parks. I think in the modern day, theme parks are the only way for MMOs to really work. I don't think like the mass majority don't want sandbox. They want to be like fed content. Here it is. Here
it is. They don't want to make their own. I think I think the mass majority don't want have to deal with like playerdriven [ __ ] and and the friction of having to deal with players this and that. That's
catch on. That's why Ashes probably would have never been widespread. >> Ashes, I don't think it would have ever been mainstream just simply cuz it was just it was such a niche game and they were just overshooting everywhere. Like
[ __ ] animal husbandry, bro. We don't even have all the races in the game and the [ __ ] do you think you are? >> Naval battles. >> Naval battles and dragon riding and [ __ ] fluted and fairies and tinkle
winks and bro, we don't even have the animations. Where are all the classes and you're developing animal husbandry? We don't even have all the quests in the husbandry. Who the [ __ ] do you think you are? The balls on this guy. It's crazy.
Then he wants to sit here and tell people you just got to be patient. Oh my god. It's gonna drive me crazy because it's it's just nuts. But I think you're right. It was just too niche and things like that. I don't think it would have
ever ever been mainstream. Now, depending on what the Riot MMO even does, God willing, it comes out in the next [ __ ] 10 years cuz we haven't even seen literally a single screenshot or a name. And they've never even made
an official announcement. Who knows if a game could be mainstream and they could kill it. They definitely have the lore and they have the world for it, but who knows what they can do.
>> Star Wars Galaxies was a sandbox MMOR RPG and it did amazing until it tried to go the theme park route. Um, yeah, it did great for its time, but it didn't even scratch the surface of what WoW ever was. And the only reason they went
theme park was to try to compete with WoW, if I'm not mistaken, and it just didn't work out. Wow. was the MMO that made theme park MMOs popular and so far every sandbox MMO has been killed by the company running it due to poor choices.
were always pretty niche anyway. Like even when Galaxies was doing good, what is like really good player count for it in its day? >> Who said that's not true? You know, I don't know if
You know, I don't know if the sand the sand uh box is not like people don't want to have to like work to make their content. I think they >> Yeah, I agree. >> Here it is. Here's the dungeon that we
made. Go run it. >> I'm going to What? Like, okay, general question here. If you guys were to make a perfect MMO, what bits and pieces would you take from each MMO and why? Like,
like what would make the perfect MMO? Like, what would it be?
>> Um, >> well, I think WoW has this >> Yeah. story is probably probably right. story is probably probably right. >> Um,
>> I would say there I want some dip some better PvP systems. Dark Age of Camelot. Uh, I have not played that game, but I know of the game. Um, I don't know.
Sandbox is more organic and immersive in my opinion. I mean, yeah, sure. Yo, >> It feels player ran, but >> could you guys imagine a Star Wars the Old Republic like story in World of Warcraft with like full-blown voice
Warcraft with like full-blown voice acting and each class has its own story? acting and each class has its own story? Could you imagine how [ __ ] insane that would be? Could you imagine?
Yeah. But I will say Star Wars has or its story there, it has the fact that people already loved the Star Wars story. So like getting people to to jump on board to that is is a pretty easy sale. Sure.
sale. Sure. >> Right. Like also people who played Knights of the Old Republic, it's like there was definitely a lot of people who went into SW tour just for the story. >> Okay. Off rip. I don't know if WoW could
ever pull it off. Even if they made a WoW 2 brand new thing, I don't know if I just don't know if people would care enough to even, you know, WoW players are would be so spacebar minded, skip it all.
>> Yeah, I I could agree on some of your points. I man, I don't know. I I feel points. I man, I don't know. I I feel like if you take WoW story dead serious we're going to take this dead serious." And you know, just for this expansion
hour of, you know, cinematic storytelling like SWOR. Like, yeah, [ __ ] there. >> I would say if they could do that just >> Yeah. Yeah. Just main story. >> I don't think every side story needs to
be voice acted like it was in SWOR. I think that's just too expensive. Like if acted, I think >> each each class has like a different little quest line. You know what I mean? Like obviously it's a very tall order,
>> The [ __ ] hats here. >> I would just take Alliance and Horde. >> Alliance and Horde. Yeah, sure. Why not? I would take that, too. because if I'm a human, why would my human warrior class be the same as a
night elf warrior? Because of starting zones in this. It's >> No, no, it's not starting zones. I just meant like for the new expansion only. >> Like only the new expansion gets this story update.
>> Sure. >> Yeah. Okay. but souped up to the Star Wars the Old Republic level. Yeah, that [ __ ] would be gangster.
have to be good. It has to be in like insanely better than WoW to convince WoW players to move to it in my opinion to get the masses to move. Yes, it would have to be like so bro >> so much better than WoW that it's like
>> so much better than WoW that it's like >> it has to be it has to be mindn numbing like it has to fry your brain how good it is. If you want to get players from World of Warcraft on a new MMO because the truth of the matter is World of
Warcraft players do not like change. They'll sit there and play classic and They'll sit there and play classic and TBC over and over. They hate change for 20 plus years. They'll do the same [ __ ] thing till the day they die and
they'll pray for things like classic plus when in reality they don't give a it's going to be something different than what they have. So like no one community. So if you want to make a new MMO it is it is such a tall order and if
I was being honest I would never do it. Like if I had to give my honest advice, yeah, don't ever make an MMO because like WoW is just the the MMO players there are too invested and that's the big majority of like 70%
and that's the big majority of like 70% of MMO players. Like 20 year investment, no one is going to want to hop off WoW. Like it's going to take it has to take so much for me to be like, "Okay, I'm going to stop what I'm doing and go play
>> That's what I that's why I keep saying like it would have to be a IP that people give a [ __ ] about already. For me, it would be just Lord of the Rings. That's the only one that would get me like to where I'm like, "Okay, I could
see myself stopping WoW production right now full force Lord of the Rings MMO content." That's the only one. >> But I I'm I'm open enough to where if it try it out to see how it does. >> I agree, Smalls. It's also an
in the game for so long, they feel like they have a history tied to the game. Yeah. The sunk cost fallacy, right? like you know that's going to definitely >> and for me and I know for you too Lance >> that's going to pay you know pay go up a
>> Warhammer 40k yeah >> Wow is the big mac daddy billion dollar why I get so upset with people like Ian and like Ian and buggy stuff a billion a year pro maybe more um I mean that's
though it's why Riot Kind is the only thing at the moment that has the money backing already established fan. But yeah, Riot has a chance because it has the money. And that's really what it comes down to. It's like you have to
have the money and you have to be willing to put in at this point now to tour came out, I think it was like 200 million to come out, >> which was the most expensive >> the most expensive game ever.
get an MMO out. >> Anywhere between 400 or 500 million. >> Like I'm talking on the level to compete with World of Warcraft. That's what I'm MMO. [ __ ] Pantheon can make an MMO with a million dollar budget. Not even.
So, like, who who knows? >> It has to have the game has to also be polished enough at launch to get people to be like, "Okay, the game the gameplay feels good. The world feels good. There's enough content." Bro, there's so
There's enough content." Bro, there's so much [ __ ] that has to go right. I don't envy anyone trying to make the next one. No, I don't. And that's why I think it's it's it's just it's a battle you'll never win. Like going up against
Blizzard and World of Warcraft to make an MMO unless it is a you have unlimited funds, which is the only one is Riot, or you have a potential world that can compete, which is Lord of the Rings. >> Riot has a chance. And Amazon, if they
really gave the Lord of the Rings franchising Anything done by Amazon Game Studios is a nightmare. They're horrible. Terrible
top to bottom. They ruin everything. So, New World. Oh, buddy. Amazon doesn't care. Absolutely. [ __ ] Amazon. They're That's where That's why they were talking about the next 20 years in that
the way, Dian Dord, you're right. >> I mean, Blizzard knows right now that >> they're they have a strangle hold, >> bro. They are so far ahead. They got this. They got the MMO space in a reverse Cobra clutch so good right now.
Like I can't I [clears throat] can't [ __ ] breathe. Like you are interested in MMOs. You only got a few options when it comes to real good population. It's WoW Guild Wars Final Fantasy. Sure, you can go play Runescape.
can go play Runescape. >> PSO has a decent pop. And I think if you have if you like if you're okay with playing Eastern games and you can maybe get it translated. They have their own games over there.
>> I don't know. Eve has a healthy pop. Yeah. Well, you have to be a special individual to enjoy Eve. Enjoy Eve. Yeah. BFO. mean? >> ESO. Elder Scrolls Online. [music] Um, I
don't see a situation where a new MMO can really Hold on. Uh, Scaldier says, "I don't see an MMO uh that can really emerge. The MMO mode has kind of passed." No, listen. The MMO golden age of like let's try to be a millionaire
off of making an MMO. Yes, it absolutely passed. It's all about monetization, >> There's also it's just there's so many games that are cheaper to make that have the the same upside if not better. This can win. It's a 21-year-old game. Half
seen in it. Other half wants the old version back. Whatever they come up >> Oh, I think you're talking about classic plus. And uh I mean, yeah, I think you're right as well on that. >> Classic plus is an impossible W. They'll
never It's just how much of an L can we not take? That's classic plus. How much can we not lose? Because >> how many how little people can we piss actually make the game to try to not lose as much as they can instead of
>> Like how mad are classic players going to be? make this like genuinely awesome and profitable and continue to produce? Um,
on Classic Plus? >> There should absolutely be a box price on Classic Plus. Are what you they're going to make an entire video game for nothing for free? If classic players genuinely think there's not going to be
genuinely think there's not going to be a box price on it, they don't understand basic development. That is insane. We're talking about years of development. You anywhere between $30 to $40? That'd be ridiculous.
>> Well, I mean, I Well, let me ask the chat. Would you guys be okay if you were, you know, let's just all assume you're interested in playing Classic completely different story, [clears throat] but would you pay, I
Classic Plus? >> For me personally, I would pay $40 and a subscription fee for pretty much a brand new MMO. Yes. The answer is absolutely
Ash. >> You would pay You would pay a separate >> I would pay I would pay >> Yeah, but you're talking But it doesn't >> Let's just say if it was a separate sub, though, let's just say and I was Let's
just say I didn't make content for a living. Yes, I would. I don't give a the price. By the way, if you're complaining as at price as an adult, do you like Are we working every day? What do we do Monday through Friday? You
can't spend $40 on yourself to give you thousands of hours of entertainment. What the [ __ ] are we doing every day? You spend $40 every time you go to know all of you do because I do it every time, too. So, don't sit here and play
with me. If you can't spend $40 on an expansion for thousands of hours, yeah, we have a serious problem on our hands. I'm sorry. We have an issue. they're making a classic plus. >> Everyone's struggling. Oh my god, it's
fed. I don't like that take. Some people are sure. I grew up broke as [ __ ] too. >> You have to assume they're making a classic plus that you would enjoy cuz is anyway. >> So, assuming it's a classic plus that
you enjoy, would you pay would you pay $40 for the game and a separate sub for Classic Plus? Yes or no? You're asking me. Let's say they separate the
subscriptions into classic and retail. Yes, I would do it. Now, personally, I'm a content creator, okay? But if you're the person who likes World of Warcraft next couple months, I'm going to try out
classic." Just cancel your sub for the retail. And then be like, "Okay, in 2 seasons come out." And then you cancel your sub for like, what does it matter? keep it in one sub. >> They would keep it in one sub.
>> Give a box and then they would maybe have if whenever they did an expansion, >> They definitely would. I would I don't think they would ever do a double sub. I don't think. But if we're talking about on extremes, like how far would
you go for a classic plus? Personally, I would. Would I want to let Blizzard know want to exploit that. I'm going to be real. I know Blizzard. They did good [ __ ] but they want that bread. >> The best thing they could do? Nah, they
wouldn't do an extra sub. I don't >> $8 for an iced coffee. Yeah. What the [ __ ] are we even talking about? Like, we're going to complain about $30 or $40 box price. Like, are we serious? Like, are we all adults here?
that you would pay an extra. >> This is like This is crazy. Like, dude, like, are we that far as adults that we we don't spend money on each other like >> What if they increase the sub cost? Well, they haven't done it in 21 years,
so I don't think >> Let's see. Let's see what happen. I mean, maybe at some point they do, but they haven't yet. And that's pretty cool >> [ __ ] Maybe maybe the [ __ ] straw that broke the camel's back would be classic
plus and they take out the box price. They say $20 a month. Now I'd be pissed off >> if the if the sub price went up $5 a month because of Classic Plus and now I'm pissed as a retail player.
>> [ __ ] them. Let them pay their 40 bucks for the game. But don't up my price for >> I agree. I think if you want your Classic Plus, you pay your $30 $40 box price. you enjoy it yourself. >> If you don't want Leave me alone,
>> if you don't want uh uh uh [ __ ] microtransactions in your Classic Plus, >> Well, they have to make >> They're not going to go They're not going to do years of making a Classic Plus and not charge something.
Something's got to give moneywise, right? >> I mean, that's just basic. >> Wait, hold on. Because if you could pay the extra $5 a month to add Classic Plus to your sub, that's different.
That's different. What do you mean? Like, okay, if you pay $20 a month, it adds Classic Plus to your sub. You're paying an extra five, you get your sub plus Classic Plus. That's fine. But if if I'm just a a retail player, let me
>> Okay. I I guess I can see your point there. Like Classic Plus in its entirety is just a $4.99 sub fee, so that's what it would be. >> Yeah. Okay. Interesting. How do you feel about WoW subscription being added to
everyone's so scared of World of Warcraft being added to Game Pass and I'm not really sure why. And that's a little bit later because I do think it's important. But I like people are so
scared of like change or hearing things like while potentially coming to cons. >> But that would be but that would be a good thing cuz it would it would add >> Yeah. I I never see a problem with things and and I'm sorry, World of
Warcraft is a game based off of returning players, not new players. Eventually, guys, I [ __ ] love all you in this chat, but let's be real. 99% of you are 30 and above, and that's fine. I'm [ __ ] 26 years old. I'm turning 27
in a couple months, but we got to be real. We're only getting older. And if we don't add new players, at least younger players, WoW will eventually, literally not exist. It will die. Genuinely, I'm 30,000. Let's [ __ ] go
lock in. He's a T-Rex and he's in the chat. Big Ross in the chat. So, my problem is is like we have to There has to be some sort of way to adapt here and >> I think shouldn't we want more players to play our game as WoW players?
to play our game as WoW players? >> Well, who the [ __ ] am I as a player who creator, whatever, but as someone who enjoys WoW to be like, "No, WoW shouldn't go on console. This is ridiculous. WoW shouldn't have a oneb
[ __ ] disabilities. This is stupid. WoW shouldn't have a combat assistant to the game anymore. This is Who the [ __ ] are you to to to like forbid people and
gate keep people from playing? How about you screw off and go play your gatekeeping somewhere else? Like I want as many people as possible playing WoW. this thing where they try to please everyone, but then they [ __ ] over their
But you have to find a middle ground. >> Why does allowing console players into >> It's It's not really that. It's more along the lines of what they were saying the other day in terms of story lore and [music] then um going too much into the
>> I don't think people care about it either, but they want to pretend they Twitter. Yet, you asked them one question about classic World of Warcraft and its actual lore, they could not tell you anything. They could not tell you a
>> Done with hearing people who know nothing about the lore in any capacity talk about how it's soft now when they don't know anything about it. You're going to make me do it. All right, I'll whip it out. No, I don't
want to see it. I don't want >> This is the worst game I've ever seen. Classic World of Warcraft and Warcraft is true masculinity at its core. It is peak gaming. And you're sitting here playing retail. Wow, you dirty furry
feminine boy. Where's a masculine man? I haven't seen one in the last 15 expansions. Give me [ __ ] more dungeon spams and let me get boosted by a false mage. I want to invest 15 hours for a mount
job anymore. >> Suck me. Get up out of my face, man. >> Get up. I I [ __ ] cut out Lance. >> Insane. >> Also, Lance, other than the hair, you're getting more and more handsome. Hell
too. She keeps putting this this rosemary oil in my hair. It's not working. >> Cover the kids' eyes. [laughter] mythic plus run? Yeah, like it's so cringe, bro.
>> I remember those Twitter posts. You have to like tell people that you're a console player or some [ __ ] Never invite a console player to my run, something. I was in a classic dungeon the other day
and we're talking about people who all they do is play classic. We're like on they do is play classic. We're like on the verge of wiping and this frost mage literally doesn't know how to press frost nova. He can't do it. And I'm
typing. I'm like Nova, nova, nova as the tank. I'm like, please [ __ ] Nova. He can't do it. He goes, "Sorry, forgot that was a thing. Forgot that was >> Yo, what are you playing a meme? And and these are the same people that will get
pissed off if they don't have a great group comp or if you know there's a oneb button rotation to help people who are older who literally have [ __ ] hand >> Like >> is there anyone in this chat that uses
the one button rotation for a health issue or the or the uh assistant rotation for literally a health issue? Not even a joke. Or Hille is is there anyone in here like genuinely that uses it? Because I remember there being a lot
of comments being like, I literally use it because it's it's too much for me nowadays. Like I I can't like I can't keep up with all the crazy rotations. Like it's not even about >> We have a raider that only has one arm.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Now, should that guy not be able to play >> that? Should that guy be able to play? >> By the way, if I wanted to play with my girlfriend Star, you think I'm going to have her learn a [ __ ] Arcane Mage
rotation? Do you want to learn an arcade mage rotation with your girlfriend? No, >> I don't. >> Yo, get her on the one button and let's rock and roll. Let's play some [ __ ] video games.
>> Does old man reaction count? I mean, >> I don't know, bro. I'm just the type of player nowadays, guys. And you got Man, I may be called a lot over saying something like this, whatever. But the
something like this, whatever. But the truth is is that I want to play with as many people as possible in a positive just awesome community-based environment. That's what I'm about nowadays. There's nothing more fun than
logging in and seeing guild chat flooded. There's groups going on, Discord's popping off. Like, there's nothing more fun in an MMO. Why would I not want that? Why would I want a gatekeeper? The thing is, as I'm getting
gatekeeper? The thing is, as I'm getting older, I don't tie my I don't tie my personality behind being good at World of Warcraft anymore. >> I'm not 13 years old or being at the top of the logs matters that much to me.
>> Like, I just want to [ __ ] raid and have a good time and [ __ ] the [ __ ] make my corny dad jokes. And by the way, how much you want to bet when, and I'm probably experienced it in the early 2000s when you're playing things like
EverQuest, Star Wars Galaxies, early classic WoW. Like, sure, there are there's always going to be those sweat lords, but like back then you're enjoying the game and players and experiences just to do it. just like and
that's what I feel like WoW's direction's heading in nowadays with how community based things and housing and like even solo content for you to test out and go toward like is that not what an MMO should be? It should be based off
of community and world and engagement and story and lore and love for for >> I mean >> like you got it.
I mean, come on. World of Sweatlords. Let's [ __ ] go. No, it's all about pushing 14s. Where's Koozie? Been too many streams since I've seen Koozie. Where you at? We'll see. Logs are useless. Boss died. Yes, that's all I
need. Yeah, tell that to Mega. Mega does the same thing. Star Wars Galaxies. All right. All jokes aside, guys, let's not [ __ ] around. How actually good was bullshitting. No more nostalgia bait.
Let's be real. Was Star Wars Galaxies as hype as everyone makes it out to be? I've never played it. I played it very, very little with my uncle when I was like five years old. I didn't know [ __ ] Okay, but how good was this game? Cuz it
was a part of the golden age of MMO RPGs and I got to know. Break it down to me right now. Go, Lance. Um, our uncle played a lot of Galaxies. He played as a bounty hunter.
I mean, I didn't play I mean, we downloaded Galaxies after it was already past its prime. Like, you could make a Jedi way past it. >> I believe you could make a Jedi right off rip. Like, that's not so cool.
>> Holy [ __ ] Dian D Nord was one of the first 10 Jedi. >> That's dope. >> Yo, are you kidding me? You're a [ __ ] legend, bro. Also, Galaxies was coming out
probably when like the uh the prequels were coming out or what the sequels. Jesus Christ, the sequels were coming out like Revenge of the Sith, Phantom Menace, Clone Wars. Like, yo, that must have been insanely hype.
>> Yeah. >> Guys, was that hype? Like, was that not >> Guys, was that hype? Like, was that not like an insane like, bro, man. are considered the prequels, buddy. I guess you're right.
>> Not the [ __ ] sequels. Watch your mouth. Okay, watch your mouth. Sequels are with Ray. >> All right, you know what I mean. Sorry. Warcraft. I don't >> I wish Old Republic was repackaging an
offline MMO where all the classes join together Octopath Traveler style. >> I like Octopath Traveler. >> It was very hype and people kept playing it even when it was trash based on that hype. [laughter]
Yo, Prim, that's crazy. Then it went into star fighting in ships and other planets. Damn. Jedi was the legendary grind. Damn. I remember someone told the story where they were in a cantina and they were
with their guild. They were having a guild meeting in a cantina and a hooded figure walked in and roleplay with them or something, but they were being like dead serious. They
were doing something and they realized it was a Jedi it was a Jedi and as a guild they were like, "Yo, why don't we try to take this dude down and see how powerful he is?" There was like
10 to 15 of them, okay? They were like, "Fuck it." Second he steps outside, we're blasting. So, he finishes his drink, finishes his So, he finishes his drink, finishes his goofy roleplay, whatever. He walks out.
They go, "All right, boys. Engage." They start engaging on them. They start start engaging on them. They start getting slaughtered one by one by this single Jedi. Real players in [ __ ] insane.
>> That's crazy. >> Is that not an insane thing that like yo like now like they learned their lesson like bro you see a Jedi >> yo you you be cool man. Hey man. >> Are you telling me Jedis were lore
>> I guess so. Oh yeah. early on seeing a Jedi, the room would go quiet and you were insane to try and attack the Jedi. That's crazy, dude. How legendary, bro. That's crazy, dude. How legendary, bro. Oh my god, that's so cool, man. I ran
into a Jedi once. It was the hardest hit in history. [laughter] pre-combat patch. They were gods, dude. That is nim. That is such a cool thing
to probably experience, man. Like what an god that's just so cool. Like of course, man, I love WoW where it is today. Like I I love it. But like like I and I love my career as as a content creator, you know, the whole thing,
social media, like sure, man, I do love it. But man, a part of me wishes like send me back to the early 2000s. Give me your average 9 to5 to make my 60, 70, whatever how much money is. I don't even know how many Ks you make back then at a
know how many Ks you make back then at a 9 to5. 30K, I don't even know. Um, give me a basic 9 toive job. Give me some good MMOs. You know, you don't have social media to figure everything out and look up guides. Like,
you just experience, man. Yeah. And I think, you know, a lot of people want to talk about the magic that's lost with with even retail. I I don't think it's necessarily the game. I think it's just the culture of gaming and the internet
is what it's like. Like how many of you guys know everything about Midnight before the game even comes out? Well, obviously you [ __ ] But like for you guys, how actually I know a lot of you already know the the story beats and the
>> Don't spoil. >> But it's like you're already going into it knowing a lot of this stuff. >> Whether it's lore, whether it's the quest line, whether it's
a bunch of different things and like it just wasn't it wasn't like that back then. app and co. Thank you for the follow. Like when TBC came out, no one Well, maybe some people did, but most people didn't know what was beyond the
>> right? >> Right. Like so cool. >> Now it's like a new Wet WoW expansion's going on. You've already watched 500 different content creators played on the beta. You know, the opening quest line.
beta by buying it. >> Lance, remember before we made content, we didn't look up anything on the next expansion. >> Definitely not. I remember there was like what was it when when um BFA?
>> No, but like when MOP came out, it was just like, oh, a new expansion just came was like, oh wow. >> Yeah. Oh, there's a new there's a new trailer on my D on my login screen. >> And believe me, I hate to be the guy
that that, you know, pushes this even more. But like I I literally have to if I don't study the game top to bottom on the beta and and you know display it for people then like you think people are going to watch videos on you know season
3 content right now? No. I'll [ __ ] be dead. I will literally be dead. I'll go dead. I will literally be dead. I'll go broke. So like people enjoy watching [ __ ] on the next expansion. And you know before content creation I never ever
figured out features. I never looked up tier list. I never now I do all of it because I have to. But my favorite is post expansion release content. That's my favorite cuz like you do news videos,
you do guides, you break down things, you teach people how to do stuff. Like >> current was thought bot. >> Jesus. Yeah. So like you know the the magic was there because there was no everything was a mystery. And it's not
that those it's not like cool things aren't in the game still and these quest things to explore aren't in the game. >> They are. for them anymore because they they want to stay on their path. But also, it's
just like you have all your answers before you even log in. Efficiency. >> Efficiency and meta. That's what they're talent builds. They don't want to study things. They don't want to learn. Like
the truth of the matter is is the modernday gamer has drastically changed social media and the perception of gaming has changed entirely too. It's not about story and community anymore. The gaming community is not about that.
make it about that if we're not interested in it? >> Like and this is why I keep making that that serious, you know, like it's not a joke. It's actually serious. It's like classic players, they sit here and act
like they love lore and story in the world. Literally, TBC just launched. You go on Twitch, every single creator top to bottom is spamming dungeons until their eyes bleed. Literally, they don't give a [ __ ] about story. They don't give
a [ __ ] about the lore or the world. Like, >> You know what I want to do in our guild? I really and I know it's not going to happen because Discord is a thing. I want on launch day everyone to just be
>> in guild chat. >> Yeah, I don't want I don't want anyone in the Discord. I love Discord voice. I know people are going to do it, >> but I want everyone to just be talking in guild chat. Creator doesn't represent
time. But you have to understand here's the truth. The player base is the most the truth. The player base is the most influential people toward creators. Now, you think I sit here and make beta content and tier list because I like
making beta content tier list. Don't get me wrong, I love shit-talking the game and casually speaking, but I only make content that people want to see. And why? Why do you think I make videos called how to gear up as fast as
possible because people want to [ __ ] see it? It's my most viewed videos on all of my World of Warcraft videos. We just put out a video, how to gear up solo, uh, in season 3 of Midnight. It got like almost 300,000 views. And it's
because people want that content. They want speed. They want efficiency. If I tell people the fastest way to gear up right now is spamming delve tier 11s. There's unlimited gildeds. People will go do it. Like that's just the truth.
People want efficiency and like that's a lot different than how people level. Pika isn't spamming dungeons for fans. He's doing it because it's op optimal. >> I mean that's even worse. I and I actually I don't think anyone's
doing it. Um, Cow Cure sub with the prime. They sub for two months. When my can't resist clicking. Yo, thank you for the prime, by the way. Appreciate it. right. That's that's literally how it is. Uh, and by the way, that even proves
my point even more. The fact that he knows he [ __ ] hates dungeon spamming, yet he does it anyways to level up fast. Yeah, that's disgusting because it's optimal. Like, that sucks. >> Yo, you're so maxi. You're already
Midnight. >> I meant [ __ ] war within, >> a midnight brain. >> No wonder you got 300,000 views on the >> it's [ __ ] 300. >> Your sod videos were unmatched. Yo,
check this out cuz I got something for you. You want to see videos that are point videos, go check this out on the second channel, guys. You go see. We're more casual, laid-back content on the Comeback City secondary channel. promise
you we're going to be doing this weekly and you guys are going to be doing it >> old I will kick this back to you then L LFG just because you aren't doing it doesn't mean the player base isn't >> because I've also seen other creators
who have gone in and everything in LFG is looking for Knack geared tank for my run for this looking for that and there's no one out in the world man's crazy now I was just in TBC the other
day a couple days ago trade chat is flooded in LFG chat. Flooded looking for best in slot tank, melee cleave farm, spell clea farm, looking for bis healer for like like bro, you know how hard it was getting into group on boosted gear?
me. >> I'm like, all righty. >> And by the way, those aren't those aren't content creators. Those are players. Like, you think [ __ ] that was Peekab-boo? Hey, look at Sky.
players are much more sweaty. >> They're worse. >> Peace, scrub. Yeah, [laughter] right, Gino. There are 20 layers of pretty Well, now it is cuz they just changed it.
>> Well, yeah, they added more layers. So, now questing is like really good. But, doing was questing. >> Um, I'm going to be come launch at midnight, I'm going to be in the in the guild
chat. Okay. >> Okay. And I hope to see people in there >> talking [ __ ] with me in guild chat. And I'm gonna say all the Yeah, but I'm cool [ __ ] I found. Yo, just did blah blah blah. Oh, and I'm going to type
like this with two fingers. That's crazy. Like I did back in 2007. >> Normal raids must be 160 plus. Yeah, that's fried. Uh, mob classic folks are still the most toxic in the WoW trinity. That is insane.
>> Are they really? Is it because there's like >> Classic Wild players are mega more toxic. No, listen. That whole fallacy of people thinking retail is like >> Yeah, wait a second. No, era people are
pretty bad, bro. The era people are >> era people are bad. Like yo, Greek, >> He roast toast. >> He got me the other day. He did. He cooked me. He said something like No, I don't even want to say it, but he got me
[ __ ] good. It made me laugh. Um, GDKP and heroics on Mop Classic right now. Yikes. GDKP is nothing but a poison for the game by the way in my opinion. I gear was replaced super quick because the gear was so much higher in stats.
and guild pretty often. I love it. Oh yeah. Um, but we are going to be the way. That's going to be really fun. Uh, should we be streaming or put out a video on us prepping for midnight with like meal plans the night before casual
talking, chilling out, vibing, macking, relaxing? was the night before midnight. >> I used to watch I used to watch people do videos like like like that. Like the night before midnight, us, you know, our plans and what we're doing, like just
that'd be fun for like secondary channel content. Am I crazy? Be fun. Just chill out. Show us going to Costco, prepping the sock. That's [ __ ] insane. Would be fun for sure. Cuz like I used to watch Swifty do
going grocery shopping and like getting a bunch of food and everything prepped. it's food prep. What are you making for it? Um Lance is going to be making these chicken tacos. These low carb tortilla chicken tacos
>> What? I thought we agreed on the chicken taco. >> Why would you do chicken salad? >> Chicken like mayo. So chicken. Are you [ __ ] crazy? Why would you do that? Are you crazy?
>> Why would you do that on a launch? Do you want your [ __ ] stomach to get >> You need safety. You need like rice, ground beef, veggies. >> Chicken taco. Very safe. Very simple. Light. Low carb tortillas. Light.
>> I'm sorry. >> Chicken taco is definitely harder on the stomach than chicken salad. Bro, >> are you talking about mayonnaise covered >> Do you know what's in that chicken taco? >> Chipotle sauce.
>> Chipotle sauce. >> Cream cheese. Okay, [ __ ] it. I'm >> Cream cheese. Okay, [ __ ] it. I'm balling, bro. Mayo chicken is fire. No, it is delicious. The thing is is it's good. Well, the problem is is like if
we're talking about a launch, guys, we're looking for efficiency and like peak performance. I'm not look like I'm not the type of dude that grabs beef jerky, chips, and energy drink, and a Mountain Dew and pizza. Like, that's
>> PB&Js. Yo, by the way, peanut butter and jelly that's already on the list. I you guys right now. Ready? [snorts] I already started making a list literally of food and things to prep for lunch. What are you guys prepping for lunch in
chicken tacos. >> My wife is making homemade uncrustables >> Yeah. Grilled chicken tacos, ground beef, rice, and broccoli, protein shakes from the pre-made protein shakes from Costco. Uh carrots and celery as a
Costco. Uh carrots and celery as a little snack. Um Greek yogurt with some fruit. Um, the >> I don't eat that. >> Yeah, I know you don't. Okay, settle
>> The Uncrustables. That's it. Like, what else do I need? That's it. It's perfect. I made baby back ribs tonight. Oh, >> yo, what' you guys have for dinner
hungry, but I can't be eating. Come on, guys. Real tailgate party before just before midnight. >> When does midnight drop? February 26. 6:00 Eastern Standard Time, 3:00 Pacific Standard Time, 5:00 Central Standard
>> I got slowcooked chicken stew, fruit salad, horchata, and water. Damn, you're >> I live in Publix territory. >> Enchiladas tonight.
tortilla. That's a crazy meal. Um, >> if you should, by the way, Blizzard should unironically release midnight on the 27th at midnight. >> That's when early access should drop. It
>> That's when early access should drop. It actually would be pretty sick. >> What? For the sake of saying we did it on M. You're a [ __ ] idiot. Get this
guy off the stream. This guy has a spot on the show. >> I actually >> Let's drop it at 12 at midnight cuz it's called midnight. Yo, you're cringe. >> That was horrible.
>> No, I'm not taking that back. >> Dude, that was the worst thing you've >> I'm not. I'm not. >> All for the sake of midnight. >> All for the sake of midnight. >> Yo. [laughter]
[laughter] >> This guy is cooked. Yo, this guy is >> This guy is cooked. Yo, this guy is fried. Yo, what the [ __ ] All right, chat. Everybody spam take it back right now. Take it back. Everyone
spam take it back right now on in the chat. Twitch and YouTube. Spam take it >> You're still just mad about the taco. >> He just said, "Guys, Midnight World of Warcraft should release at midnight because the expansion's called
>> Scaler lives in France and launch is at midnight. So, go [ __ ] yourself. The [ __ ] [laughter] This guy is fried. What a horrible design decision. Big, take it back.
my god, my stomach. Holy [ __ ] my stomach. Oh my god. >> At midnight PST. >> Wait, it's not launching at midnight. Yo, what if it was Oh my god, 3:00 a.m.
here. What an idiot. Some guys don't seem to remember the long lines at 10 Lance multiple times. We did that for Mortal Kombat. We did that for Star Wars Battlefront, waiting at at, you know, midnight for a game to release. That
That is gangster. >> We just did that a couple years ago for >> Yeah, that was crazy. [music] >> And then proceed to play the game twice.
the afternoon. Yeah, me too. >> 3:00 a.m. EST. Yikes. >> That's rough. So, guys, LA, like, you know, I I Last thing before we go, what have you guys What are your thoughts on planning some food for the midnight
launch? Do we have any other ideas? What's your usual go-to midnight launch sort of food, drink setup? Is it like pizza and soda? Is it like something healthy? Is it something really heavy? Is it What is it? I'm just curious
because like typically I'm like a I'm like a rice beef guy, peanut butter jelly protein shakes, peanut butter jelly sandwich protein shake guy. Like [ __ ] >> Unfortunately sadly no.
>> You're now >> Taco Bell 5 hours and Red Bulls. >> Yo, Taco Bell by the way is so fire, bro. Whatever my wife makes me. Yeah, you're a Chad. Yeah, whatever my wife gives me. Same Gino. That's crazy. If I
Midnight's Launch, I'd have heartburn so bad it'd probably kill me. Now I have to know. Rice is a staple for me. I eat that often. Yo, for real. Back in the day, we did wraps. Ooh. >> Tempo meal plan for the win. That's
another one of those like meal planes. >> Give me some Dr. Pepper and I'm set. main thing. I know how to cook as my wife usually cooks, but I need to make sure it's done before launch. Yeah, I think honestly like once again safest
option for me is like Uncrustables protein shake. That is a staple. Like that's not going to change. Uncrustables protein shakes. That's mandatory. And then it's like rice, beef, vegetable. And then hopefully if I can beg Lance to
make me these chicken tacos apparently. I have to beg my brother. Anything I could sip with straw while playing. That's crazy. they really? Are they good? Do we know about those chicken wraps? Have we eaten
>> Rice and meat. Creamy ninja protein shake. Ice cream. Yeah, that's fire. Plenty of red wine. Got to pick something I can eat while using single something I can eat while using single butt in the sis.
they add more friendship achievements expansion. >> Me, too. >> [ __ ] just put them in. We need a >> [ __ ] just put them in. We need a strong like
I would say here's the list that we need perfectly for retail. Wow. >> Okay. >> Black female, lead main character, gay, has hand cut off, blind in one eye.
>> She's not lesbian. She's literally not a lesbian though. >> Finan's literally not a lesbian. >> I was Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I wasn't talking about Fyen.
Whoa. That's pretty [ __ ] up for you to assume something like that. Lance, did you just assume? Wait a second. Wait a second. Whoa.
take these back seis. >> You son of a [ __ ] [laughter] >> What would be the most like hated character created from a classic player's perspective? >> It's got to be like a female main
>> that's it. >> Like a black female. Like that's it. They're already mad. >> Jeez. By the way, she's still cool as [ __ ] Did you guys read that short story about her? I thought it was cool.
>> it was a good short story. There was two of them on her actually. All black female halfblind amputes took [laughter] look alike to use >> current cadgar in his wheelchair. No, they hate Fyron way worse than that.
>> I don't know that the Kadgar wheelchair thing even from my perspective is pretty >> That should have never happened. Finar is amazing. I like too
Discord sign up for the giveaway for the secret labs thing. Uh, we are doing this probably reveal it over on Saturday's stream. Um, by the way. >> Oh, [ __ ] me.
>> Saturday's Valentine. >> That's bad. Are we even streaming? >> Oh my god. >> Saturday is a Valentine's Day, >> guys. I'm cooked. Oh, buddy. It's not looking good. That's
bad. Uh oh. Valentine's Day? >> No, I just forgot. No, I I It's funny because I've been I've known for the last like few days cuz I've been
last like few days cuz I've been planning some stuff, but Oh, [ __ ] Problem is is there's so many things that line up in a 4 month span for me Christmas, our anniversary is in January, Valentine's is February, and
then her birthday is in March. So, it's 4 months straight. I got to pull the [ __ ] magic out. >> Oh, I got to do the bare minimum. I got to do the bare minimum for my girlfriend for 4 months straight. Shut up, bro.
for 4 months straight. Shut up, bro. That's the bare minimum, bro. You got to do the bare minimum. Oh, show up on her birthday and Valentine's Day. up on her birthday and Valentine's Day. That's so [ __ ] hard. Holy [ __ ]
That's so [ __ ] hard. Holy [ __ ] That's hard. A bro, stop. Put the fries in the bag, man. Put the fries in the bag. Get your ass over there. Better take her ass over to a nice dinner on Valentine's Day.
[ __ ] Golly. Four days. Wait. Out of 120. [laughter] Four days out. Four days out. >> Out of the months. 4 days before
Next year you have to get a real job. [ __ ] that. [ __ ] that. And that's why Lance is married. True. Just have Star win one of the covers. Boom. You're
I'm cooked. >> Yo, you see on next stream that Sky has the the Arthus cover on [laughter] the back of his chair. Yo, guys, check this out. Valentine's Day is a BS Hallmark holiday. I mean, yeah. I don't know.
that to your significant other and not do anything for her. >> Yeah. Don't say that out loud with your lady around. She'll [ __ ] it. not, it's just a reason to do something nice with your significant other. Man,
person I see. I'm I'm I'm a problem cuz I set this standard of like doing something [ __ ] crazy every time. Like some sort of magical [ __ ] I'm not a casual card roses guy. I have this problem and I'm
I go I do this thing of going above and beyond and now that's the standard. Now if I don't follow up with that every time Yeah. I look like a [ __ ] time Yeah. I look like a [ __ ] jackass. You know what I mean? That's my
>> I mean, bro, all it's got to be is a >> All you got to do >> that's your problem. No, it's not about what you actually get? >> Absolutely not.
>> No, no, not at all. >> Matter of fact, I gave my wife her card yesterday. She cried. I was like, I can't believe you're still asking me to shut up. [laughter]
date." >> Okay. forget this one and then reset the standard. He's right. [laughter]
on the >> absolutely. I'm just the type of dude sequence thing >> and I'm such a fool for it. That's the >> fill the water. >> Cook a steak and bake a tater. Sticks
back ultra. >> That's true, by the way. I came over and cooked steaks for everyone? Hell yeah. Can I pay for that? You pay, I'll cook. Do it. Ribe eyes. Oh, and Renaissance Fair in the day.
>> Renaissance festival in the day. >> There is um the Renaissance Festival >> That's where That's where my wife wants me to go with her. >> Crazy. On stream. True, >> dude. Cook a steak and bake a tater. Oh,
>> you're welcome. on stream. >> Guys, I only cook my steaks medium rare. >> We will no doubt play WoW after getting tanked. [laughter] >> Listen, the goal is get her in bed by 10:00. She's sleeping. I'm on WoW
Farming the Rocket by 11:00. See you guys there. Anyways, ladies and Uh, this was an awesome stream. We will be seeing you guys either Saturday or we're now free of Sundays. No more football. So, maybe we'll just do a
filler Sunday. Wow. >> And we will go from there. Um, remember literally few weeks left until the expansion launches. This is crazy. We might even go to a, you know, a 3day stream a week thing and hype it up. Get
really hyped before the expansion release. So, anyways, I love you guys. God bless you everyone. Have a wonderful Valentine's Day. Be safe and we will see you guys in the next one. Okay. >> See you then. Um, maybe Valentine's Day.
>> Maybe, maybe not. Much love, guys. God bless. I'll see you later. Peace. Peace. bless. I'll see you later. Peace. Peace. Peace. Thank you. Thank you.