[0:03] Let's rewind. Rewind.
[0:10] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm
[0:12] your host, Ryan Ery. We are back. We had
[0:14] to take a break. We've been doing some
[0:15] other stuff. I saw Supergirl yesterday
[0:18] and I really, really liked it. I don't
[0:21] know if critics are going to like it
[0:22] because I think they're tired of
[0:23] superhero movies, but I do think critics
[0:25] are really going to like Spider-Man:
[0:26] Brand New Day. It seems like everybody's
[0:28] going to like it. Everything we've heard
[0:29] about the movie so far sounds amazing.
[0:31] And look, commenters, I know we're two
[0:34] minutes late, but I was here. Someone
[0:36] else was late, and I'm not going to
[0:37] embarrass them or their audio problems
[0:40] by calling them out right now. So, thank
[0:41] you guys for waiting today. Me and our
[0:43] panel of special guest, experts, and
[0:45] friends are going to talk about
[0:47] everything everything we know about
[0:49] Spider-Man: Brand New Day. We just got a
[0:52] second trailer. We covered it last week.
[0:54] We weren't able to do a reaction because
[0:55] a million things are happening at the
[0:57] same time right now, but we're going to
[0:58] talk about the fallout from that
[1:00] trailer, every reveal. The villain still
[1:03] up in the air. I don't know if it's
[1:04] Satie Sync or what the hell they're
[1:06] doing. So, we're going to get
[1:07] everybody's opinion on that. And there's
[1:08] villains we haven't even seen yet that
[1:09] are confirmed for the movie like
[1:11] Tombstone. So, we're also going to talk
[1:13] about what their role could possibly be
[1:14] as well as all of the hints about
[1:16] Daredevil appearing in the film. And one
[1:20] other thing, we're also going to talk
[1:21] about some of the reveals from the press
[1:22] tour. And also, Alex Perez, who is a a
[1:25] bountiful uh feast of rumors about the
[1:28] MCU, had a a recent tweet that I hope we
[1:32] have time to talk to you guys about
[1:33] because there's a lot on there for
[1:34] phases 7 through9 post multiverse saga,
[1:37] which frankly I bet we're all excited
[1:39] for. But I'm done talking. I want to
[1:42] bring on other people. First of all, you
[1:44] know him as the guy who is always on
[1:46] break, Mr. Tommy Beck told. What's up,
[1:48] Tommy?
[1:49] >> Janet, there's nothing in the employee
[1:52] handbook about banning katanas. The
[1:54] sword stays. Ryan, how are you?
[1:58] >> I am great. And also, I want to point
[2:00] out, uh, maybe our next guest can vi in
[2:02] can, you know, chime in on this. Um,
[2:04] that if that katana is a piece of your
[2:06] ancestral heritage, you could probably
[2:08] claim its use at work under religious
[2:10] grounds. But to make sure about that, I
[2:12] want to bring on our next guest. You
[2:13] know him as Doug's attorney, which makes
[2:15] him one of the hardest working men in
[2:17] show business because Doug is always
[2:18] dealing with lawsuits. Mr. Mike Misella,
[2:20] what's up, Mike?
[2:21] >> Yeah, hold on one second. Janet, hold
[2:23] the rest of my calls and tell Doug I
[2:24] won't be able to bail him out until I'm
[2:26] done with this live stream, but I'll be
[2:28] there soon. Sorry, Doug's in the again.
[2:31] >> Oh god, Canon just blew up. Are you and
[2:33] Tommy working in the same office? And I
[2:35] didn't know this.
[2:36] >> You know, Janet's a very common name,
[2:38] but yes, we are working at the same
[2:39] office. We are
[2:40] >> same. It's an abandoned weird
[2:44] There's two Janets, but it's a Janet W.
[2:46] It's the one.
[2:46] >> I don't know if you guys did either of
[2:48] you ever have the pleasure of working in
[2:49] a wei work.
[2:51] >> I I did spend a week in a wei work. I
[2:53] spent a
[2:54] >> we work week.
[2:57] Was it a temp job or what was your deal
[2:58] with?
[2:59] >> There was a creative uh startup in Los
[3:02] Angeles that lasted one week.
[3:04] >> That makes about Yeah, it sounds about
[3:05] >> And then they said, "Hey, nobody needs
[3:06] to come to work on Monday."
[3:09] We work was great if you ever wanted a
[3:10] place where you could get free bags of
[3:12] beer because they had kegs that were
[3:15] just like these sacks that they put in
[3:16] there like like distilled sugar like
[3:19] soda water. Well, anyways, uh I want to
[3:21] bring on our last person. You guys, he's
[3:23] an old friend of the channel. You know
[3:24] him as the person who's trapped in our
[3:26] TV but doesn't know it. So, please don't
[3:27] tell him. Mr. Colton Auburn. Hello,
[3:28] Colton.
[3:29] >> No, Janet. I will not go to Cheesecake
[3:32] Factory with you. Hello. What? Ryan, can
[3:34] I just say I think it's really rude that
[3:37] you called out Mike about having his
[3:39] camera issues and I was gonna say before
[3:41] we got started
[3:43] >> for being the first person here. Mike
[3:45] was in the green room before me. God
[3:47] knowing knows what he was doing in there
[3:48] by himself, but he was in the green room
[3:50] before me.
[3:51] >> I'm always I'm in the blue room, so I
[3:53] don't know what you guys are going
[3:54] >> I'm in the back room.
[3:58] >> That would actually be a good set now
[3:59] that I think about it. I have a green
[4:00] screen I can pull down. I can put the
[4:02] blue tape on it. Hey, I I don't want to,
[4:04] you know, we're here to talk about
[4:04] Spider-Man. I do want to point out last
[4:06] week we were really hoping to do a
[4:07] Disclosure Day video. I didn't see the
[4:09] movie in time. I finally saw it. What a
[4:11] piece of [ __ ] I really didn't care for
[4:14] the movie.
[4:15] >> We did do a disclosure day video.
[4:17] >> We should just do a Yeah, we should just
[4:19] do a live stream on it. It's a couple
[4:20] weeks too late, but who cares, right?
[4:21] We'll see how it does.
[4:22] >> We did a disclosure day video.
[4:23] >> I know. We as a channel did We didn't do
[4:26] We were going to do a talk about it. I
[4:29] know. Believe it or not, I keep up with
[4:31] the videos we put on the channel.
[4:32] Colton,
[4:34] >> you said we were going to do a
[4:36] disclosure date video, but we didn't.
[4:38] >> Yes, I meant a live stream. I meant a
[4:39] live stream.
[4:40] >> Gotcha. We were
[4:40] >> Oh my god. We are We are bleeding
[4:42] concurrent viewers right now. This is
[4:44] This is tragic. This is the saddest
[4:46] thing ever. No, what I I thought it was
[4:48] too many movies in one and I could have
[4:50] done away with spoiler alert the whole
[4:51] middle act. I don't want to get too far
[4:53] into that. But Tommy, you liked it?
[4:55] >> I I I enjoyed it. But I will say that it
[4:57] was one of those movies that by the time
[4:59] I mean I saw it I think opening night
[5:01] but by the time I had sat in the seat of
[5:04] the theater I'd heard adequate [ __ ]
[5:05] on the movie not that you did but by
[5:07] other people that I just kind of was
[5:10] able to enjoy it for what it was which
[5:11] was like a Spielberg movie. I liked the
[5:13] cinematography in it. I thought it was
[5:14] way too long. I thought that some of the
[5:17] messaging in it was really cool. I
[5:18] thought the woman who played the anchor
[5:19] at the end of the movie did an
[5:21] incredible job. Uh, I also think that
[5:23] with when she's like reacting live to
[5:26] disclosure happening to her.
[5:27] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[5:28] >> I thought she did a really amazing job.
[5:31] >> I just couldn't believe they pulled a
[5:32] crystal skull and it was aliens at the
[5:34] end. [laughter]
[5:36] >> All right. I don't want to get too far
[5:38] into that because like um like you said,
[5:39] Colton, maybe we can still do a
[5:40] Disclosure Day video. You didn't say
[5:42] putting words into your mouth. Yeah,
[5:43] let's do it. In fact, we're gonna change
[5:45] the thumbnail right now and just talk
[5:46] about Disclosure Day. Just kidding.
[5:49] >> I'm gonna go watch the movie. I'll come
[5:50] back. Oh, please do. Please do. I would
[5:53] recommend um bringing a lot of snacks
[5:56] because it is a long movie.
[5:59] >> Please stop making the Disclosure Day
[6:00] sounds. It's unsettling. It's it's it's
[6:03] unsettling. All right, guys. So, last
[6:05] week we did not get a chance to talk
[6:07] about the brand new day trailer. Uh
[6:09] because like I said, lots of stuff going
[6:10] on. House the Dragon coming out Monday.
[6:12] I saw Supergirl yesterday, so I couldn't
[6:14] do the live stream.
[6:15] >> Um but I got a lot of stuff to talk
[6:17] about in this. So, first of all, we have
[6:19] the Savage Hulk, right? Savage Hulk is
[6:21] back. So, I'm curious what you guys
[6:23] think about what happened to Smart Hulk.
[6:26] Why is it suddenly Savage Hulk and why
[6:28] was the roo the wristband necessary for
[6:30] holding him back? Anyone who wants to
[6:32] chime in, go for it.
[6:33] >> Did you guys see? So, in the trailer he
[6:35] appears green, but then Sony released
[6:37] like a social of the same shot of Hulk
[6:40] falling from the building and he looks
[6:41] gray.
[6:42] >> Nice. Typical Sony.
[6:45] >> Typical Sony.
[6:47] >> Real tight ship they're running over
[6:49] there.
[6:50] real tight [laughter and snorts] [ __ ]
[6:52] >> You know, Ryan, I could see um I could
[6:56] see that that like you know, the
[6:57] inhibitor or whatever it's called that
[6:58] that gets destroyed on like
[7:02] I I could see it being accidentally
[7:04] destroyed by by Peter Parker or
[7:06] something like that, a mishap
[7:08] >> because they needed to bring back Savage
[7:10] Hulk. Like that to me like one of the
[7:12] least satisfying things about the MCU is
[7:14] that we didn't have not had enough of
[7:16] Hulk in his like uncontrolled form. like
[7:18] they almost not immediately but they as
[7:21] soon as they made him Smart Hulk it was
[7:22] like this is just what we're getting
[7:24] from now on. So
[7:25] >> I'm uh excited for that.
[7:26] >> I feel like they're kind of they're kind
[7:29] of redoing what they did in Age of
[7:30] Ultron, right? We've already seen Hulk
[7:32] mind controlled and like losing it and
[7:34] going absolutely bananas. Um and I like
[7:39] I wonder how it's going to be any
[7:41] different from that Hulkbuster scene
[7:43] that we saw in Age of Ultron. aside from
[7:45] the fact that Peter doesn't have an
[7:47] Hulkbuster to use.
[7:48] >> Um, but the other thing that I'm
[7:50] wondering too is like, okay, Bruce, if
[7:52] this inhibitor is like literally the
[7:54] lynch pin between you being a normal,
[7:57] rational hero and you becoming an allout
[8:00] rage monster that is liable to hurt
[8:02] people around you, why haven't you made
[8:04] this thing stronger? Like you would
[8:06] think after the car accident in She-Hulk
[8:09] that he would be like, you know, maybe I
[8:11] should make this device that is super
[8:13] super important a little bit durable.
[8:16] >> Obviously, we don't see how it ends up
[8:18] getting smashed in the trailer, but it
[8:20] is smashed and broken. And I'm wondering
[8:22] like
[8:23] >> does Gan Gray mind influence Banner and
[8:27] get him to break it or what?
[8:29] >> I think that's what happens. I think I
[8:31] think he turns into the Hulk under her
[8:33] influence or someone else's. That's the
[8:35] other thing I was thinking too, like
[8:36] we'll get to Gene Gray in a second, but
[8:38] I wonder if it's not obviously she's not
[8:40] the villain. I think they're they're the
[8:42] villain secret. They're teeing us up to
[8:43] think she is. I think she might be mind
[8:45] controlled in that moment by somebody
[8:47] who wants to use her power, which
[8:48] obviously has happened to Gan Gray a lot
[8:50] in the comics is how she turned into
[8:52] Dark Phoenix. Go ahead.
[8:53] >> Why is it so fragile? Couldn't Bruce go
[8:55] to the Wakandons and be like,
[8:57] >> that's what I'm saying. I think I think
[8:58] the Hulk broke it. I think the Hulk
[8:59] broke it and not Bruce. Sorry, Colton.
[9:01] Go ahead.
[9:01] >> Here's what's weird though about the
[9:03] inhibitor. We we were introduced to the
[9:05] inhibitor in She-Hulk and all the
[9:07] inhibitor does is allow Professor Hulk
[9:11] to transform into human form. Initially
[9:13] when they introduce the inhibitor, it
[9:15] has nothing to do with the mind of like
[9:17] Savage Hulk. So theoretically, when when
[9:20] Bruce removes his inhibitor, it just
[9:22] makes him turn back into Professor Hulk.
[9:24] So, I I don't know if they're changing
[9:26] that in Brand New Day or if we'll get
[9:28] like a line that explains because just
[9:30] because the inhibitor gets broken that
[9:32] that shouldn't make Rage Hulk come out.
[9:34] That should just make Professor Hulk
[9:36] come out.
[9:36] >> That's a good point, Colton. I wasn't
[9:38] thinking about that. Thank you for that.
[9:39] >> Well, let me let me bring this out there
[9:41] then. Maybe here's what the deal is.
[9:42] Maybe when he says that to Peter in the
[9:43] trailer when he goes, "This comes off,
[9:45] watch out." He's kidding.
[9:46] >> Yeah, he's just screwed
[9:47] >> because Yeah. Yeah. He because he knows
[9:49] he knows that he's Professor Hulk. But
[9:51] the reason Savage Hulk comes out, and
[9:53] Mike, I think this dubtales perfectly
[9:54] with what you were just saying,
[9:56] >> he's influenced by whoever the mind
[9:57] controlling villain is to become Hulk,
[9:59] and then the inhibitor is basically
[10:01] useless.
[10:02] >> Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
[10:05] >> So then the other thing,
[10:06] >> like I said earlier, how does this
[10:08] differ significantly from what we saw in
[10:10] Age of Ultron? Like is it still just is
[10:13] he struggling with it? Do we see him
[10:14] fighting with it? Or is he just a
[10:16] monster? Well, I don't know that in Age
[10:19] of Ultron, we just did a video on this.
[10:21] I don't think Wanda mind controlled the
[10:23] Hulk. I just think she showed him some
[10:26] vision of the future that was really
[10:27] scary to him. And again, we did a video.
[10:29] >> Yeah, we did a video like earlier last
[10:31] week about this. But
[10:32] >> in Age of Ultron, personally, I think
[10:34] she showed Hulk a vision of a life where
[10:37] he was trapped in the back seat, which,
[10:39] you know, Colton, you've done a video on
[10:41] it. I've done videos on it. I think
[10:42] that's exactly what Bruce did to him in
[10:44] becoming Smart Hulk. And I think that's
[10:45] why when Savage Hulk comes out, he could
[10:48] go on and become a villain, like a
[10:50] straightup villain in the next saga.
[10:52] >> Do you guys think that he is being
[10:54] control by whoever the mind controller
[10:56] is, whoever's using Jean's powers? Do
[10:58] you think they are actively mind
[10:59] controlling Hulk like we've seen them do
[11:01] others or they're just I feel like
[11:03] they're just releasing him and I think
[11:05] he's going to have every right to be
[11:07] pissed because he's been held dormant
[11:10] since
[11:11] >> Infinity War or since Endgame,
[11:13] >> like those five years. Yeah.
[11:15] >> Yeah. The five years in between Infinity
[11:17] War and
[11:17] >> Yeah. Well, in the trailer when we get
[11:19] that line that's like, "But he can."
[11:22] It's from Bruce's voice.
[11:24] >> That's what leads me to believe that
[11:25] he's being mind controlled. And then
[11:26] also that is a nice parallel of Thor at
[11:29] the end of Ragnarok being like, "I know
[11:31] I can't beat you, but he can, and
[11:34] >> I think that he's mind controlled to
[11:36] unleash the Hulk." And then I hope the
[11:38] Hulk is out because that's one thing I
[11:39] would ask you guys. So,
[11:41] okay. Again, Colton, you've done videos
[11:42] on this, so I know what you think. Like
[11:44] the Age of Ultron was our last Hulk
[11:45] movie. He's really been and because of
[11:47] the rights issues where Universal has
[11:49] the per rights I guess in perpetuity to
[11:52] make a solo Hulk movie, but Marvel can
[11:53] only use them in teamup films and the
[11:55] the underperformance of the Incredible
[11:57] Hulk at the box office. We haven't
[11:58] really gotten an arc for Hulk. It's sort
[12:01] of like Thor where there are these two
[12:03] really powerful guys. They just keep
[12:04] getting used for whatever the plot needs
[12:07] them to do or the writers have to find a
[12:09] way to limit their capability. Like we
[12:11] haven't actually seen straight up Hulk
[12:12] since Ultron. Yeah. And I don't fear it
[12:14] becoming repetitive like with Age of
[12:17] Ultron because I I think we're about to
[12:18] not see Bruce Banner again for a while.
[12:21] I think kind of like what you went into
[12:22] in that that one video. I think it's
[12:24] about to be all Hulk all the time. I I
[12:26] think we are about to get like a
[12:27] Greyhulk or a Maestro.
[12:30] >> They could be setting him up as a
[12:32] potential foe for post Secret Wars. Uh
[12:36] >> I hope so. World War Hulk.
[12:38] >> God, I hope they do World War Hulk. I I
[12:40] hope that the reason that he's not
[12:43] announced for Doomsday is because maybe
[12:44] in uh Spider-Man Brand New Day, we see
[12:47] him get shipped off or something. Then
[12:49] again, they kind of already did all that
[12:51] in Ragnarok, he shipped himself off. So,
[12:52] you do want to be careful about how you
[12:54] repeat it. But
[12:55] >> do you feel like
[12:57] >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
[12:58] >> Do you do you think Marvel like, you
[13:00] know, famously demanding that Tony
[13:02] Stark's face be shown in the Iron Man
[13:04] suit for no reason would do that would
[13:06] like continue to have a Hulk with no
[13:07] Bruce Banner with Mark Ruffalo? Do you
[13:09] think like that star power isn't as
[13:11] bright as Robert Downey Jr. So they're
[13:13] more apt to have him be Hulk an entire
[13:15] movie or
[13:16] >> Well, he looks just like him. Like they
[13:18] make him look just like Ruffalo.
[13:20] >> I think would like I think Mark Ruffalo
[13:22] would jump at it a chance.
[13:23] >> I agree. I just wonder I wonder if I
[13:26] wonder if Disney famous for kind of
[13:28] playing it safe over this last decade
[13:30] would be like, "Well, we can't not have
[13:32] Mark Ruffalo."
[13:33] >> But he's I don't think he's going to be
[13:36] like just that, you know, like in
[13:37] Endgame. He's like, uh, he's pretending
[13:39] to be Hulk. I don't think it's going to
[13:41] be a lot of that. I think you were on to
[13:43] something with in that video about it
[13:44] being like a maestro type Hulk who
[13:46] >> we had Bruce Banner say, I combined the
[13:48] brain and the brun where like he, you
[13:51] know, it's kind of like he's doing the
[13:54] power and the mind.
[13:55] >> We could see kind of a flip where it's a
[13:57] more like it's Hulk, but he has the
[14:00] intelligence of Banner and he's using it
[14:02] almost like a power. Yeah. In the same
[14:04] way that Banner just did to the Hulk,
[14:06] where for years Banner was using his
[14:09] strength, maybe the Hulk can then use
[14:10] his mental acuity and his strategy and
[14:12] his brilliance. That would be an
[14:14] amazing. So then the Avengers are not
[14:16] just trying to stop the Hulk, they're
[14:17] trying to save Banner,
[14:19] >> right? Yes.
[14:20] >> I would love that. Mike, you were you
[14:22] about to say something? I'm sorry.
[14:24] >> Nope.
[14:24] >> Okay. Sorry. So there is an interesting
[14:26] thing here. We've been throwing out for
[14:28] a while that the control collars that
[14:30] they used to control mutants in Days of
[14:31] Future Past and on Janosha could be
[14:34] adapted from the same technology we're
[14:35] talking about. We did a whole video on
[14:37] this. A lot of you guys have seen it.
[14:38] Thank you for that. Um, you know, damage
[14:41] controls in this movie. We've also
[14:43] theorized that damage control could
[14:44] become the Department of Mutant Control.
[14:46] >> Here's the interesting thing about this.
[14:48] the Treml Tilman who's playing the the
[14:51] head of damage control in this movie.
[14:52] They have not officially released his
[14:54] name, but then in the trailer again Sony
[14:56] letting stuff slip by. In the subtitles,
[14:58] they do call him Mezer, who is probably
[15:00] William Mezer, the anti-mutant
[15:02] protester. So, do you guys think one,
[15:05] are they setting up damage control as an
[15:07] antagonist to mutants? And two, why are
[15:09] you excited about that?
[15:10] >> I'm just learning that. You can tell I I
[15:13] really read the show notes thoroughly. I
[15:15] I I've been thinking he was Mezzer, but
[15:17] I I didn't know that that slipped
[15:18] through a subtitle. That's I didn't
[15:20] either. Shout out our producer Ethan
[15:22] Inc. for catching that and putting it in
[15:23] our rundown. Thanks, Ethan.
[15:24] >> I Yeah, I just did a whole video uh last
[15:27] week or was it earlier this? I don't
[15:29] know. It all blends together.
[15:30] >> It was last week, I think. It's
[15:33] about DoD being like the the villain of
[15:36] the mutant saga. Yeah. So, I 100% think
[15:38] that they are like doing what's it
[15:41] called? false flag operations like where
[15:43] they are creating damage for them to
[15:45] control. They're going to make mutants
[15:47] look bad. Yeah.
[15:48] >> So, question that that's like a full
[15:50] heel turn from the comics though because
[15:52] like the Department of Damage Control
[15:53] isn't like a completely villainous
[15:55] organization in the comics, right? Like
[15:57] it's kind of more of like a cleanup. No,
[15:59] there it's more of a funny comic and it
[16:01] is a good it's a good book, but like
[16:03] when they showed the Department of
[16:04] Damage Control in Homecoming, Tandy
[16:06] Newton was playing um
[16:07] >> not Tandy Newton, I forget her name, but
[16:09] Ty Daly was playing the head of who
[16:11] looks exactly like the character who
[16:12] runs it in the comics. So, it seemed
[16:13] like they were setting them up for this
[16:15] ABC damage control spin-off that they
[16:17] shot a pilot for.
[16:18] >> I'm glad they went another way. They've
[16:20] basically been antagonistic since No Way
[16:22] Home, and I think that's great.
[16:24] >> But I I like I like it better. Yeah, I
[16:28] like it better if they don't know that
[16:29] they're the bad guys. Like if they if
[16:31] they're an organization that thinks that
[16:32] they're protecting the world from
[16:34] dangerous mutants. Like I think it I
[16:37] don't want them to be fully villainous.
[16:39] I want them to be like all good villains
[16:40] and think that they're
[16:42] >> too like that is all a result of Tony
[16:45] passing away too, right? Because Tony
[16:48] started the department of damage
[16:49] control. We learn in I believe Civil War
[16:52] that DODC is a joint venture between
[16:54] Stark Industries and the US government.
[16:57] And so Tony was more or less the the
[17:00] head of that in leading the efforts to
[17:03] clean up after battles, protect
[17:05] civilians, and with him gone now it's
[17:10] like they have lost their direction. And
[17:12] so they have all of this funding from
[17:14] the government. They have a mandate to
[17:16] keep people safe at any cost. and they
[17:19] no longer have a person on the inside
[17:22] with the insight into the world of uh
[17:25] metahuman, superpowered people, whatever
[17:28] we want to call them, enhanced
[17:29] individuals. They don't have a person
[17:31] there that can be like, "Hey, let us go
[17:33] ahead and maybe try and talk to this
[17:35] person first before you storm them with
[17:36] sonic cannons." And that is why it has
[17:40] taken such a sharp turn is that they
[17:42] think they're honoring Tony's memory,
[17:44] but they're really taking it too far and
[17:48] going to become more authoritarian. And
[17:51] I think you're exactly right, Ryan. This
[17:53] is going to become the organization that
[17:55] is tasked with hunting down mutants.
[17:58] >> And Val's probably behind it, too. I
[18:01] think Ox is involved, has has a profit
[18:04] motive. You could bring in Striker, have
[18:06] him be involved. There's a lot of really
[18:08] cool stuff you could do with it. Yeah,
[18:10] >> I think the Striker role might be I if
[18:12] if Striker is in this, he might be what
[18:14] he is in the comics, which is like like
[18:15] an evangelist who hates mutants, because
[18:17] then it allows you to attack that from
[18:19] the religious angle. And then Mezer
[18:21] might be your more military person.
[18:23] >> But then again, depending on what they
[18:24] do with Wolverine, and that's it. We're
[18:26] not on it's not on our list for today,
[18:28] but like X-Men casting news is, you
[18:30] know, kind of getting leaked here and
[18:32] there and it seems like they're u based
[18:34] on rumors going to do the Hellfire Club
[18:36] as the villain, which I think is a
[18:37] perfect choice. Um, and again, if you're
[18:40] talking about Jean, here's, you know,
[18:42] the one of the most important Hellfire
[18:44] Club storylines is when mastermind
[18:46] manipulated her consciousness and that
[18:48] unleashed a dark phoenix. And maybe the
[18:49] same kind of thing happens in this movie
[18:51] where the shadow king or whoever the
[18:53] villain is who's taking people over kind
[18:55] of can open up some kind of darkness in
[18:57] her. I don't know. Are there any other
[18:59] things about the Department of Damage
[19:00] Control where you can see them in other
[19:02] aspects of the MCU? Maybe is this kind
[19:04] of like behind the scenes villain that
[19:07] maybe builds? We've already seen them
[19:09] build up. I mean, and from No Way Home
[19:11] to Ms. Marvel, that's a pretty big
[19:12] escalation for them. Are there any other
[19:14] avenues or paths you guys can see them
[19:16] like in phases seven through nine
[19:17] becoming more antagonistic?
[19:20] >> I think they cause
[19:21] >> Oh, go.
[19:22] >> Go ahead.
[19:23] >> I was just going to say I think they
[19:25] caused the second civil war. I think
[19:27] that it's going to be I I talked about
[19:30] in that video that and I won't rehash it
[19:32] too much, but I I think Val is going to
[19:34] like make this argument that the problem
[19:36] with the Skovia Accords was it was too
[19:38] like government controlled and she's
[19:40] going to say the the private industry
[19:41] needs to get involved and we we know
[19:44] that she owns the the new Avengers team.
[19:46] So then you have like government
[19:48] approved privatelyowned military
[19:50] contract type superheroes and then you
[19:53] have the vigilante superheroes and you
[19:54] have registration and you have
[19:56] anti-registration, mutant registration.
[19:59] And I I think that you'll have certain
[20:00] heroes falling on either side of that
[20:02] and it could cause Civil War II for
[20:04] sure. something that I think they need
[20:06] to do in the mutant saga because I Civil
[20:09] War II could also be mutant centric like
[20:12] we've talked about before on the streams
[20:14] about they could take that inhuman
[20:16] character I'm forgetting his name that
[20:17] can read the future have that be a
[20:19] mutant and have them fighting over you
[20:21] know how to use that power and the the
[20:23] punishment coming after the crime. So
[20:25] yeah, I think I think they're going to
[20:27] be like a
[20:30] backbone. I don't know if backbone would
[20:32] be the right word, but I think you're
[20:33] going to see DODC in like every corner
[20:36] of the MCU serving as like this this
[20:39] villain of sorts. And maybe not like a
[20:41] maja villain, but just like something
[20:42] that every hero is running into like as
[20:45] an obstacle,
[20:46] >> you know, and we assume, Mike, I'll get
[20:47] to you in just a second, but we assumed
[20:49] for a long time that the mutant saga was
[20:50] going to build toward the Dark Phoenix
[20:52] saga and go cosmic. It may be more
[20:54] earthbound. It may actually be more like
[20:56] the recent Avengers versus X-Men
[20:58] storyline where um they clashed over you
[21:01] know this girl named I'm not going to
[21:02] get into the details. They clashed over
[21:03] a girl named Hope. But basically at that
[21:05] point the X-Men were living on Janosha
[21:07] trying to build a mutant society after
[21:09] the massacre of Janosha happened that we
[21:10] saw in X-Men 97. So it could be that. It
[21:13] could be I think what they should build
[21:15] toward is Avengers versus X-Men. To me
[21:17] that is like the pinnacle of what
[21:18] everybody's been waiting for since they
[21:20] saw the Avengers. Go ahead, Mike. I'm
[21:21] sorry. I was just going to say we saw a
[21:24] little bit in Wonderman about kind of
[21:26] the internal politics at the DODC and
[21:28] that they have this mandate to fill that
[21:32] supermax prison in California. You're
[21:34] talking, you know, a couple phases
[21:36] ahead. We might get to a point where the
[21:38] DODC is struggling to justify its own
[21:42] existence. And in order to do so, maybe
[21:44] they do some um back rooms, you know,
[21:46] off the books programs to try and create
[21:49] more enhanced individuals so that they
[21:52] have a purpose to exist and then maybe
[21:54] it goes wrong and then there's too many
[21:56] enhanced individuals and maybe that's
[21:57] how we get the Inhumans like it's like a
[22:00] Terrain Miss thing. Like if you played
[22:02] the really awful Avengers video game uh
[22:05] that came up a came out a while ago, the
[22:07] Square Enix one, that's kind of what
[22:09] happens. There's like a like AIM uh sets
[22:12] off like a terrain bomb that basically
[22:14] like gives a ton kills a bunch of people
[22:16] but then also gives a bunch of people
[22:18] powers turning them into inhumans. Um we
[22:21] could potentially see something like
[22:22] that later on down the road. Uh or the
[22:24] DoD trying to create its own enhanced
[22:27] individuals to fight back. Um which is
[22:29] something that we've seen that Val is
[22:31] inclined to do like with uh the new
[22:33] Avengers. Well, you know, it's funny
[22:35] because uh the the opening montage of
[22:37] Spider-Man brand new day, we presume
[22:39] it's the opening montage where he fights
[22:41] like tarantula and boomerang and all
[22:42] these other people is giving us one
[22:44] thing the MCU hasn't really had and
[22:45] that's just like super villains at
[22:47] large. So, I think starting with like
[22:49] Batman when they killed the Joker,
[22:51] superhero movies had this thing where
[22:53] the villain like an action movie dies at
[22:54] the end, but that doesn't happen in
[22:56] comics because you want them alive for
[22:57] the next story. So, we have in the
[22:59] comics a vast array of pretty bitching
[23:03] Marvel super villains who either have
[23:05] never been on screen but briefly
[23:06] appeared on TV or were killed off really
[23:09] fast or misused like the Wrecking Crew
[23:11] and She-Hulk. I love that idea because I
[23:13] think that means that we can have an
[23:14] array of different villains just running
[23:17] around just like we have an array of
[23:18] heroes.
[23:19] >> Well, Scorpion is DODC funded, I think,
[23:22] and I I wouldn't be surprised if
[23:23] Tarantula and Boomerang and all of them
[23:25] again. It's like when
[23:27] >> It's like when a a weapons manufacturer
[23:29] pays off a congressperson to vote for a
[23:32] war because they need to sell weapons to
[23:34] fight that war. There's no war,
[23:36] >> right?
[23:37] >> Yeah. Y [snorts]
[23:39] >> I think I still think it might be J.
[23:41] Jonah Jameson because we've speculated
[23:42] that the wedding that Spider-Man crashes
[23:45] in the trailer is uh John Jameson's
[23:47] wedding.
[23:48] >> Million% it says on the helicopter.
[23:51] There's no way. There is no way it is
[23:53] not John Jameson's wedding. be the same
[23:56] actor. They have to have the same actor
[23:58] that played him in
[23:59] >> 20 years ago. Oh, that poor kid.
[24:02] >> Yeah. And he's about to get married. He
[24:03] becomes the man wolf because he's an
[24:05] astronaut and he hates spiders.
[24:06] >> I just want [clears throat] to see then
[24:08] J. Jonah Jameson be like, "You ruined my
[24:10] son's wedding. Let me go break a
[24:12] criminal out of prison and build
[24:14] [laughter] a mech suit.
[24:15] >> He needs to become I want the comic
[24:18] accurate scorpion origin." He needs to
[24:20] lean over to his wife and tell him to
[24:22] call the caterer and don't open the
[24:23] caviar like they [laughter] do in
[24:25] Spider-Man.
[24:27] >> Man, I I guarantee you because in that
[24:30] in that scene, they're all facing
[24:31] forward and they turn back and look at
[24:33] Spider-Man. Guarantee you it's Jay Jones
[24:35] Jameson giving a speech at his son's
[24:37] wedding. There's there's no way that's
[24:39] not happening in that scene. Um, and
[24:41] you're right, it's also a fun call back
[24:43] along with many other callbacks to
[24:44] Spider-Man 2 that it looks like we're
[24:46] getting in this movie. It's like
[24:47] Spider-Man 2 on steroids. I agree. I,
[24:49] you know, Mike, I agree with you. I
[24:51] think that if they could do comic
[24:53] accurate origin where the scorpion is
[24:55] funded by JJ Jonah Jameson, that would
[24:57] make sense. I kind of doubt they're
[24:59] going to go that way because this
[25:00] Jameson,
[25:01] >> it doesn't seem like he's quite
[25:04] >> I can almost see the Jameson from the
[25:06] Remy movies doing that. But this guy is
[25:09] kind of cut in the vein of Alex Jones.
[25:11] And Alex Jones would have rather made
[25:12] [ __ ] up than actually create his own
[25:14] super villain.
[25:15] >> Yeah. because we've never seen uh TV
[25:18] personalities end up actually becoming
[25:20] people who have power in the government
[25:22] or access to funding or anything. I
[25:25] don't know.
[25:25] >> I'm not saying Jameson wouldn't run for
[25:27] mayor like he does in the comics or or
[25:28] do something along those lines.
[25:30] Apparently, the mayor's office is just
[25:32] rotating super villains in and out these
[25:33] days in the MCU. It could also be that
[25:35] >> I think totally gonna be part of their
[25:37] media arm like Val and he's totally part
[25:42] of
[25:42] >> how much of a waste was it that they
[25:43] couldn't use him in the show Daredevil
[25:46] >> that just would have been like Jameson
[25:48] should have been a part of that I think
[25:49] the whole time I think he would have
[25:50] been a Fisk supporter from day one
[25:52] because it was anti- vigilante laws.
[25:54] It's just one of those things like
[25:56] >> I wish the the universes were a little
[25:58] bit more tied together but the Sony
[26:00] rights probably precluded them from
[26:01] doing that. Um, they are also in this
[26:04] movie really putting the hand in it a
[26:08] lot. Now, when the first leaked trailer
[26:10] happened, which of course I didn't
[26:12] watch. Uh, and by the way guys, we have
[26:14] a lot of super chats coming in. We will
[26:15] get to and super chats as always are
[26:17] encouraged but not required. But, you
[26:18] know, please please keep them coming.
[26:20] We'll get to them in a second. Uh, when
[26:21] that first trailer came out, I thought,
[26:22] oh, it looks like the hand are part of
[26:24] the same villain montage that we were
[26:25] talking about earlier. Well, then we get
[26:28] more scenes with them in a prison, no
[26:30] less, where Matt Murdoch currently is.
[26:33] We get magazine covers.
[26:35] Do we think that The Hand are just
[26:37] little one-off villains? Because in the
[26:39] trailer, we've got this opening montage
[26:41] and then we see where Peter's eyes start
[26:43] to turn black. And I'm wondering if that
[26:46] the eyes, you know, turning black is the
[26:49] mutation or if he's being possessed. And
[26:51] then the hand are obsessed with this
[26:53] like dark spirit. Um, what do they call
[26:55] it? the black sky, right? This Yeah. The
[26:58] beast that they're gonna raise up and
[26:59] they worship this
[27:00] >> this mythological beast that's gonna
[27:02] give them all eternal life and [ __ ]
[27:03] They might have a bigger role in this
[27:05] than we thought. I
[27:06] >> I think like all the other villains in
[27:07] the film, the hand is somehow working
[27:10] for DODC and we know that um
[27:14] >> really
[27:15] >> tomb we know Tombstone's in the movie. I
[27:17] think Tombstone is serving as the same
[27:19] guy who plays him.
[27:22] I think Tombstone is serving as like an
[27:24] ear to the ground between DODC and like
[27:26] the criminal underworld because again I
[27:28] I really do think Department of Damage
[27:30] Control is having trouble justifying
[27:33] their existence.
[27:34] Everything seems to kind of be going
[27:36] well right now. Superheroes are embraced
[27:38] again. Spider-Man's getting the key to
[27:40] the city, whereas their whole thing
[27:42] leading up to this has been we, you
[27:44] know, we bust superheroes and we we give
[27:46] them a hard time. So, I think they do
[27:48] need some damage that they're having to
[27:50] control and that's why they're uh
[27:52] employing people like Scorpion giving
[27:53] them these mechanized suits. You'll
[27:55] notice, you know, I was really on the
[27:57] train about, okay, the hand, they're in
[28:00] a prison. Matt Murdoch's in prison. It's
[28:03] got to be something there. Uh maybe
[28:05] Electra is still running the Hand.
[28:07] They're breaking Matt out.
[28:08] >> Who is, by the way, confirmed for
[28:10] Daredevil season 3. Some BTS photos.
[28:12] Yeah.
[28:13] >> But then like,
[28:14] >> okay, well, why is Spider-Man there?
[28:16] Why? Why are they going to go into all
[28:19] this in a Spider-Man movie when we've
[28:21] got Daredevil Born Again season 3 coming
[28:23] out? If you look
[28:24] >> in that leaked version of the trailer
[28:26] that I totally didn't watch either,
[28:29] >> when Spider-Man on the end tag lands and
[28:33] is like antagonizing that DODC agent
[28:36] that is clearly standing outside of some
[28:38] type of cell block. Mhm.
[28:40] >> If you look behind that agent, there is
[28:43] another agent on the other side of the
[28:44] fence that appears to be holding one of
[28:47] those same like batons that we see
[28:49] [clears throat] the hand fighting with
[28:51] in the prison. Those electrical like
[28:54] there's electricity batons like not just
[28:56] swords and stuff.
[28:58] >> That's what they're fighting Spider-Man
[28:59] with in the prison. So that makes me
[29:01] think, okay, so why does the Hand have
[29:03] the exact same weapons as the DODC at
[29:06] the prison that Spider-Man seems to be
[29:08] jumping into? We know Sadie Sink is
[29:10] being held somewhere. Her character I
[29:13] think this is Spider-Man breaking her
[29:15] character out. Spider-Man wipes the
[29:17] floor with the agents. They call in the
[29:19] hand to come
[29:21] >> stop.
[29:21] >> I don't know. I had always kind of read
[29:23] it as maybe the hand and Spider-Man are
[29:26] both breaking into the prison at the
[29:27] same time for the same goal. They're
[29:29] both like racing there. And if Daredevil
[29:32] is in this prison, it would make sense
[29:33] that, you know, if it's not a full DoDC
[29:36] prison, that they have at least maybe
[29:38] some um special agents guarding his cell
[29:41] and that they have those weapons and
[29:43] that maybe the hand came in, took out
[29:45] those dudes, [snorts] and took their
[29:46] weapons.
[29:47] >> Maybe
[29:48] >> um I think the Hand is not the type of
[29:50] organization to
[29:53] buddy up with the government like to
[29:55] even like one acknowledge that they
[29:57] exist, right? like so I'm not so sure
[30:00] that they would
[30:02] >> obviously the whole thing would be off
[30:03] the books but it it just doesn't seem
[30:05] like it's in their character to team up
[30:08] with the feds. Well, ex but think about
[30:11] their current state a after the
[30:14] defenders they've pretty much so the
[30:16] hand was funded through their uh
[30:19] criminal underground work with fist you
[30:21] know they were part of like the
[30:22] underground criminal empire whatever of
[30:24] the MCU's New York City
[30:26] >> so that's how they were funded
[30:29] >> after the defenders that was pretty much
[30:30] dismantled so the presence of the hand
[30:33] in New York they've likely been
[30:36] struggling so I I could see them taking
[30:38] a deal with the government that's like,
[30:40] "Hey, we let you keep doing what you're
[30:43] doing. We provide you weapons and
[30:45] funding when we call you come like to do
[30:48] what we need you to do." I I could see
[30:50] that happening. [snorts]
[30:51] >> My thought though, that that Hawkeye did
[30:53] wipe out the Yakuza, which would have
[30:55] opened up a lot of profit avenue, like
[30:57] revenue avenues for them in Japan, too.
[30:59] Go ahead, Tommy. I'm sorry.
[31:00] >> Well, I'm just wondering, it seems to me
[31:01] like there would need to be some
[31:02] connective tissue then between the DODC
[31:05] and the hand. like is is uh Tremol
[31:08] Tilman's character someone who like has
[31:12] a like deep experience in the New York
[31:14] underground crime scene like you know
[31:15] what I mean like it I always I'm always
[31:17] curious as to like how how does someone
[31:19] in the DODC even know how to
[31:21] >> get the hand on board with that
[31:24] >> Tombstone that's a point yeah I love the
[31:27] idea I love the idea of them like you
[31:29] said Colton running FL false flag
[31:31] operations
[31:32] >> I I think Tombstone's their middleman
[31:33] because that's kind of what he is in the
[31:34] comics right he's like a mob top
[31:36] enforcer. He's like a he he gets things
[31:38] done. Like he's like the middleman that
[31:41] operates between the different like
[31:43] criminal heads and stuff and make sure
[31:44] that
[31:45] >> he's a guy.
[31:46] >> Yeah. He's a guy that knows a guy, get
[31:48] things done. Yeah.
[31:49] >> I definitely think the reason he's there
[31:51] though is to free Sadie Sync. I think
[31:53] it's really clever in their marketing.
[31:55] >> One, not revealing who she is is kind of
[31:57] silly. Um, I think what they should have
[31:59] done was say she's a new character and
[32:01] give her the name of an alias that she
[32:02] uses at the start of the movie because
[32:04] as soon as you see a red-haired young
[32:05] person, like just Gene Gray, like who
[32:07] else the hell is going to be? Especially
[32:08] if they keep it a secret. But the idea
[32:10] of making
[32:12] >> we got a scene where somebody says, "I
[32:13] like your real name, Jean."
[32:16] >> Robin, you know, Robin.
[32:19] >> Robin.
[32:20] >> That's right. No one
[32:21] >> Jean Skywalker. Exactly.
[32:23] >> But then, you know, I I do want to point
[32:25] this out. So, look, I'm a little behind
[32:27] here because I was so busy yesterday
[32:28] like traveling to the theater and
[32:30] everything. I didn't realize that a
[32:30] Spider-Man brand new day TV spot had
[32:32] come out until just now. Were you guys
[32:34] aware of this?
[32:35] >> No.
[32:36] >> Apparently, one came out yesterday. It's
[32:37] not a prank. Um, I figure we'll see
[32:40] what's in it. It may be the exact same.
[32:41] There may be some new details. Maybe we
[32:43] should have done a whole video on this,
[32:44] but like let's watch it right now. Let's
[32:45] react to it
[32:46] >> really quick. I I think they're going to
[32:48] learn that she has a mutant gene. And
[32:50] then Peter's going to say, "Well, let's
[32:51] call you Jean." I think that's how it's
[32:52] going to happen.
[32:53] >> Oh, Eugene. Perfect. What kind of jeans?
[32:56] What color jeans is she wearing?
[32:58] >> And she and she released the Gray Hulk.
[33:00] So yeah.
[33:01] >> Jesus God.
[33:03] >> Oh, that's even worse than what I said.
[33:05] I thought mine was and I thought my joke
[33:07] was bad.
[33:09] [sighs]
[33:11] >> Oh, on the outside. All right, here we
[33:12] go. Let's watch this.
[33:14] >> The horse's name was Saturday.
[33:17] >> It's Friday.
[33:18] >> Saturday. [laughter]
[33:19] >> It's Friday.
[33:20] >> No, that's a better joke. That's that's
[33:23] that's like wheels within wheels. Oh,
[33:25] it's it's like an onion. It stinks the
[33:27] more layers you go down the parfait.
[33:29] Okay, let's watch this brand new day TV
[33:31] spot. See what we see. And uh for all
[33:33] you screen crushers out there, sorry we
[33:34] didn't break this one down yet.
[33:35] >> Scary bad guys,
[33:37] >> but do you know the one thing he is
[33:39] never scared of?
[33:40] >> Hold on. Let's start it from the
[33:41] beginning.
[33:41] >> We all know that Spider-Man fights scary
[33:43] bad guys,
[33:45] >> but do you know the one thing he is
[33:46] never scared of? Needles.
[33:48] >> What the?
[33:49] >> It's probably spider puberty.
[33:51] >> Hey, hey, hey. Come on.
[33:54] >> What's going on with you, Spider-Man?
[33:56] >> Organic webs.
[33:59] >> Heightened fences.
[34:00] >> God, that's cool.
[34:01] >> Increased agility.
[34:03] >> You okay, kid? Yeah, you're okay.
[34:05] >> Spider-Man: Brand New Day.
[34:07] >> I didn't know you could get that big.
[34:09] >> Rated PG-13, July
[34:12] >> They made it look like
[34:14] >> They made it look like Scorpion was the
[34:16] one saying, "What's going on with you,
[34:17] Spider-Man?" But that was totally Tom
[34:20] Holland's voice. Anyway, sorry. Looks
[34:21] good.
[34:22] >> I know. I know. Uh, I like this scene
[34:24] where, and I'm curious because somebody
[34:26] else had said something in the super
[34:27] chats about this, um, where he's doing
[34:30] the right thing. He's wearing a hospital
[34:31] gown. He's being a good guy. They do
[34:33] make it look like vaccines cause his
[34:35] mutation. Am I the only person who's
[34:37] noticing that?
[34:38] >> No, it didn't work.
[34:40] >> It didn't work.
[34:41] >> Yeah. He's already [laughter] gone
[34:42] through it. And he seemed surprised that
[34:44] the needle bent. He was like, "What
[34:46] the?"
[34:47] >> Yeah. See, the needle bent and he's
[34:48] like, "What? Too many boosters.
[34:51] >> Yeah.
[34:51] >> So, he's becoming like more
[34:53] indestructible.
[34:55] >> Okay.
[34:56] >> More ind. Can Can you get more
[34:58] indestructible? I don't
[34:59] >> And it's cool. No, you actually It's
[35:01] like saying more.
[35:02] >> It's like when it's like when uh
[35:04] Thunderbolt Ross says adamantium. It's
[35:06] more indestructible than vitranium. I'm
[35:08] like,
[35:09] >> yeah, but to be fair, the opening of the
[35:11] Declaration of Independence has the
[35:12] exact same grammatic a more perfect
[35:14] union. There's no or no constitution not
[35:17] not
[35:19] all the nerds in this. Well, actually
[35:21] the declaration of is not a binding
[35:23] legal document. I believe you're
[35:25] referring to the people's constitution.
[35:27] All right. Got a couple other questions
[35:29] here. Uh one about Sadi Sync, right? So,
[35:33] do you guys think that her being Jean
[35:35] Gray I guess I have two question here.
[35:38] One is related to
[35:41] Secret Wars, I guess. So after Secret
[35:43] Wars, there's a soft reboot of the MCU.
[35:46] I'm willing to bet your regular rank and
[35:48] file person just doesn't remember the
[35:51] they know that some bad [ __ ] happened,
[35:53] but then everything was fine, right?
[35:54] They remember up to the incursion and
[35:56] that's about it. And because reality's
[35:58] been rewritten, they don't know. So
[35:59] basically in this movie, if the presence
[36:01] of Gan Gray frightens people and leads
[36:04] them to fear and distrust mutant kind,
[36:07] they would never remember the mutants
[36:09] were here. Charles Xavier and Patrick
[36:10] Stewart and all that was already
[36:12] happened, right? That's all wiped from
[36:14] the regular person's memory. But do you
[36:16] think these events kickstart anti-mutant
[36:18] paranoia? And also, do you guys think
[36:21] that
[36:23] um the heroes forget that they worked
[36:26] with Hugh Jackman and Secret Wars?
[36:28] >> Well, there's a reason it's called
[36:29] Secret Wars, right? Yeah. I think a lot
[36:31] of it won't be remembered, but I think
[36:33] like 90% of the stuff, maybe 85 that
[36:37] comes before Doomsday and Secret Wars
[36:40] will still be considered like fully part
[36:42] of the cannon. It'll be referenced like
[36:44] I think Thunderbolts will still be a
[36:46] very important movie going for like to
[36:48] look back on like things that setting up
[36:50] like I think a lot of what they're doing
[36:52] with Valentina and the DODC that they
[36:55] aren't waiting to do all that setup in
[36:57] the mutant saga. They're just like going
[36:59] ahead and doing it. And it's going to I
[37:01] think it's going to have a through line
[37:03] even post Secret Wars. I don't think
[37:05] Secret Wars it's going to be oh complete
[37:07] boom start. We're starting over. We got
[37:09] to rebuild from scratch. That they're
[37:11] still going to they're still building
[37:12] like their house of cards. I think pre
[37:14] doomsday. So it'll still matter.
[37:16] >> It's nice to see them doing that now
[37:18] because I felt like the multiverse saga
[37:20] was either full speed ahead or
[37:22] completely just building the first layer
[37:24] of a house of cards. You know, like the
[37:26] first layering layer before you stuck.
[37:29] Yeah, that's what I feel like
[37:31] was because it never built to anything.
[37:33] It just was the flat
[37:35] >> stuff and some of it's really well put
[37:37] together, don't get me wrong. And then
[37:39] parts of it like Thor, Love, and Thunder
[37:40] are already falling down over there.
[37:42] Okay, that's a House of Cards metaphor
[37:43] that I can't stretch anymore. I'll I'll
[37:45] tell you the one thing I think would be
[37:46] a great idea. This is a great indicator,
[37:48] and I'm stealing this from something.
[37:50] Let's say Thunderbolts like, okay,
[37:52] Secret Wars, they wake up. Uh, oh, what
[37:54] happened? Blah blah blah. We've seen
[37:55] this in like Crisis on Open Earth issue
[37:58] 12. Same same kind of thing. Uh, one of
[38:00] them's walking down the hall and then
[38:01] they see a worker who works in the
[38:03] building and it's Maria Hill. Just do
[38:05] that. If you bring back Maria Hill, like
[38:07] they brought back Scott and Jean at the
[38:09] end of Days of Future Past, you're
[38:11] basically saying Secret Invasion didn't
[38:13] happen.
[38:14] >> Yeah.
[38:15] >> Other bad things didn't happen and don't
[38:18] worry about it. It's like Austin and
[38:19] Basil Exposition looking at the camera
[38:21] and saying, "Don't worry, we got you.
[38:23] This is exciting. You're gonna figure
[38:25] things out as you go.
[38:26] >> Does that mean Talos can come back too?
[38:28] Can he be like
[38:30] >> I do hope so. Ever so much.
[38:32] >> Please. I'll be good.
[38:34] >> He's going to play Dr. Doom.
[38:36] >> They're going to kiss.
[38:37] >> He would have meant he wanted to play
[38:41] it.
[38:42] >> Meno.
[38:42] >> He talked so passionately about Dr. Doom
[38:45] in that interview. Like
[38:47] >> he should have played him. He really I
[38:49] mean if they actually did Yeah. if they
[38:52] actually did this the right way.
[38:54] >> I don't know. Instead, I mean, I haven't
[38:56] seen the movie yet. I don't know if
[38:57] they're doing it the right way or not.
[38:59] It just kind of occurs to me that
[39:00] >> I don't know. Dr. Doom appearing in a
[39:02] Fantastic 4 movie and being slowly built
[39:04] up over an entire saga instead of
[39:05] brought at the last minute and replacing
[39:07] another villain with him with no buildup
[39:08] whatsoever might not be the best way to
[39:10] do it.
[39:11] >> You haven't seen Doomsday yet?
[39:13] >> It's on Twitter.
[39:13] >> Oh, did you? [laughter]
[39:16] >> The whole thing.
[39:17] >> Isn't everything?
[39:19] >> Um, yeah. Yeah. So, what do you guys
[39:20] think apart from that? Like, do you
[39:22] think that this is going to kickstart
[39:23] people distrusting mutants? And why do
[39:26] you think the Punisher is immune to the
[39:27] mind control too? We see it doesn't
[39:28] affect him in the in the trailer either.
[39:30] >> I like the theory that was in the show
[39:32] notes, which is like his brain is just a
[39:34] house of horror. So, anyone trying to
[39:36] enter [laughter]
[39:38] No.
[39:39] >> Oh, god. No.
[39:41] >> Yeah. What happened to the Punisher when
[39:42] the void was uh happening in New York?
[39:45] Can you imagine that? The Punisher
[39:47] >> on the beach with Nick Fury, baby. Yeah.
[39:49] [laughter]
[39:51] >> Yeah. No, for him it was nothing. That
[39:52] was like light compared to what he
[39:54] normally puts himself through.
[39:55] >> I don't know that he's immune to it as
[39:57] much as I think maybe they're actively
[39:59] not freezing him
[40:01] >> like
[40:02] >> I think he's immune to it. I I don't
[40:04] know. I think that there's it could be
[40:05] if it's directed if it is created by Gan
[40:07] Gray, for example, which the trailer
[40:09] makes it seem like it's not, but if Gene
[40:11] is doing that that big wide thing and
[40:13] freezing everyone, maybe she's sparing
[40:14] the Punisher. Um, it could also be that
[40:17] I don't know, Peter, you can say, well,
[40:19] he mutated, right? He's his evolutionary
[40:22] step has gone forward a little bit.
[40:24] >> Yeah, they say he's immune to it. Yeah,
[40:27] you're the only
[40:28] >> Maybe Jean his head at one point and in
[40:31] and doing that, she protects him. I
[40:33] don't know.
[40:34] >> There's a thing that happened on the
[40:36] press tour uh where Tom Holland said one
[40:40] person remembers that he's Spider-Man,
[40:43] right? and he may have given too much
[40:45] away. But who do you think that is?
[40:47] >> I think that's Jean. I think that's just
[40:49] Gan because she can read minds. And I
[40:52] think that maybe she inadvertently
[40:53] discovers that he is Spider-Man and then
[40:55] she's like, I know your secret.
[40:57] >> I think she's not read I think she's not
[40:59] susceptible to that type of spell.
[41:03] >> Yeah. Being a telepath, I think she is
[41:05] not
[41:07] her mind is fortified. As Wong says,
[41:10] fortify your mind.
[41:12] There's also, you know, Gene and the
[41:14] Phoenix, it gets weird um because it's
[41:16] moved back and forth so much, but like
[41:18] originally it was a cosmic entity that
[41:20] possessed her, then it was a cosmic
[41:22] entity that replaced her, and then years
[41:24] later they were like, "Oh, no, it's
[41:25] actually a cosmic entity that's buried
[41:27] within her at all times,
[41:29] >> which is basically what they did in
[41:30] X-Men 3." So, it could also be that she
[41:32] is somehow tapped into a greater cosmic
[41:35] force, which would kind of excuse the
[41:37] magic part of it. You know what I mean?
[41:38] Like she was immune to magic because of
[41:40] that. I'd say Hulk like in the comics,
[41:42] but they never established Hulk meeting
[41:46] Peter in the MCU. Really? Yeah. So,
[41:50] >> I guess he could have known.
[41:52] >> Yeah. If he was like in the trunk,
[41:54] >> Tony wouldn't have
[41:56] >> Well, maybe Tony would
[42:00] Bruce, but not Hulk.
[42:01] >> Yeah, Bruce would have known. Yeah.
[42:03] >> Yeah. Bruce would have known
[42:05] because I mean they were like they were
[42:06] at the funeral together. Obviously they
[42:08] that's what always gets me is when
[42:10] people are like no Steve Rogers never
[42:12] knew Peter Park. I'm like they are
[42:13] standing right next to each other at the
[42:15] funeral. Just because they didn't show
[42:16] them talking on screen doesn't mean they
[42:18] did.
[42:19] >> Anyway,
[42:20] >> they did talk. Where you from?
[42:21] >> Yeah, they fought at the airport queens.
[42:23] >> Oh, but that's Yes. In Civil War. Yeah.
[42:26] Yeah. But
[42:27] >> but as far as the Hulk goes, um even if
[42:30] they didn't talk at the funeral, Tony
[42:33] would have known Tony like has opened up
[42:35] to Bruce before. He thought he was his
[42:36] therapist in Iron Man 3. I could
[42:38] definitely see him like kind of reeling
[42:40] and confiding in Bruce at some point
[42:42] like, "Yeah, I got this kid killed."
[42:44] >> Tony was going to put Peter in the
[42:47] Avengers. You think he didn't like
[42:49] inform the other Avengers like, "Hey,
[42:51] there's this kid Peter Parker. Here are
[42:53] his powers. He's really great. Anybody
[42:55] opposed
[42:57] thoughts?" Like,
[42:58] >> and Hulk was off world at that time,
[43:00] though.
[43:01] >> Yeah,
[43:02] >> that's also true. But we do know that
[43:04] during in the gap, the five-year gap
[43:06] between Endgame, Infinity War, and
[43:07] Endgame, that Tony gave Bruce an island
[43:10] and helped them set up a lab. So, they
[43:12] would have had a lot of
[43:13] >> Totally would have learned. Yeah.
[43:14] >> Right. Right. Right. A lot of cool
[43:16] downtime happens in that island. And I
[43:18] Yeah. You know, guys, She-Hulk isn't
[43:20] perfect. Like, the ending, I think, is
[43:22] kind of wonky, even though it's
[43:22] hilarious, but boy, watching her like
[43:25] pump the Hulk for information about
[43:27] Steve Rogers virginity, that holds up.
[43:29] That whole that might be the best
[43:31] postredit scene in any MCU show.
[43:33] >> That show's great. I don't care what
[43:35] anybody says. I like that show.
[43:36] >> I like for the most I don't like what
[43:38] they did to my crew and the abomination
[43:40] and um
[43:42] >> yeah and apparently great views on
[43:44] >> could have been better.
[43:45] >> Disney Plus too.
[43:46] >> The show itself overall is great.
[43:49] >> I want to get to what Alex Perez
[43:51] recently said in a long tweet where he
[43:53] talked about upcoming projects. This is
[43:55] really exciting. I do want to just get
[43:58] to some of these super chats first. Um,
[44:00] there's some good ones in here. Spaceman
[44:01] Texas gave us two bucks and said, "Do we
[44:02] see the new Spider suit teaser UK Sony?"
[44:05] I did watch it. It's pretty great. Have
[44:07] you guys seen that?
[44:08] >> Is it the one where he says it's
[44:09] inspired by Toby and Andrews suits?
[44:12] >> Oh, yes.
[44:13] >> It's like a featurette where they talk
[44:14] about how they designed it and it makes
[44:15] sense that he's like, "Yeah, we took
[44:16] elements from both because Peter would
[44:17] have been influenced by that."
[44:19] Um, Johnny Mash Potato said just leaked
[44:22] the alien language and disclosure day
[44:24] translates to FJ Jared
[44:26] >> Leto.
[44:28] >> He's the internet's he's like the Roman
[44:30] Reigns of the real world. People hate
[44:32] that guy. It's hilarious. Dave, Dave M
[44:36] gave us five bucks and said, "I hope
[44:38] since this seems to follow the Neogenic
[44:40] Nightmare from the animated series,
[44:41] which Colton called way before anybody
[44:44] else I know on the internet, uh, since
[44:46] it follows the Neogenic nightmare, the
[44:47] villain is a mutant and a revamped
[44:49] chameleon who jumps from person to
[44:51] person. That's fun.
[44:54] >> I'm not going to say I think I know."
[44:56] Holland said in a recent interview, "The
[44:58] villain is still a secret that we don't
[45:00] know." Yes.
[45:01] >> And I I I think I know, but I'm not
[45:03] gonna say it here. You have
[45:06] >> from that era.
[45:06] >> There's a leak out there that might be
[45:08] accurate that I won't share on the
[45:09] channel
[45:10] >> because I don't like to do that to
[45:11] people. I think if you want to find the
[45:12] leak, you can go find it yourself. And
[45:14] you don't we talk rumors, not leaks.
[45:16] Like if I think something is like
[45:18] >> like the plot of Doomsday has leaked and
[45:20] we're not going to talk about it on
[45:21] here.
[45:21] >> The big actor uh and I'm sorry that I'm
[45:24] forgetting his name right now. Something
[45:26] David um that is voicing
[45:29] >> David
[45:31] So Keith Keith David's character in this
[45:34] we believe is going to be the jackal,
[45:36] right?
[45:36] >> I thought so.
[45:37] >> Or or just a Yeah. Or the villain.
[45:39] >> What level of like involvement he has in
[45:43] it? I mean, if Tom Holland saying
[45:45] there's still a secret villain out
[45:47] there, we know that Keith David's in
[45:48] this movie. We believe that he's playing
[45:51] the Jackal. The movie seems to be about
[45:53] some type of genetic mutation that's
[45:55] happening to Spider-Man. Maybe he starts
[45:57] the movie thinking that it is just like
[45:59] a natural thing and then he comes to
[46:01] find out it's something that was done to
[46:02] him.
[46:03] >> I love that because that's what Miles
[46:05] Warren the Jackal does. He's always
[46:06] screwing with Peter's DNA and cloning
[46:08] him and [ __ ]
[46:09] >> And also my only request is we're gonna
[46:12] have the Jackal in this movie. I want
[46:14] Allison Janney to appear and do the
[46:17] Jackal
[46:18] >> from the West.
[46:20] >> What am I saying? She's already in this
[46:22] movie. She's Jonah Jameson. What am I
[46:24] talking This is he. Yeah, he can
[46:26] transfer
[46:26] >> also develop mind topping powers when
[46:29] >> he can transfer his consciousness. Well,
[46:30] it's not powers. He does it through the
[46:33] power of science. He he transfers he
[46:35] attempts to transfer his consciousness
[46:37] into Peter.
[46:39] I I haven't read the clone sag.
[46:40] >> Well, I guess that No, but he does No,
[46:42] but he does that genetically though.
[46:43] It's not like it's a a power that he has
[46:45] to like hook him up to machines and
[46:46] [ __ ] doesn't he? In the clone.
[46:48] >> That's what That's what I'm saying is
[46:49] that but I'm saying he does
[46:50] consciousness transfer and that this
[46:52] could be an adaptation. And I think in
[46:54] Brand New Day where maybe Jack is using
[46:56] >> Jean's powers to do that. Yeah.
[46:59] >> You know though, I had forgotten that
[47:00] was his goal in the clone saga. That's
[47:02] like at the very end when he's going to
[47:03] transfer his consciousness into Peter.
[47:05] You're right. We do a whole video on the
[47:06] clone saga. Imagine that. Jesus. God.
[47:08] What?
[47:09] >> God. I can you say that?
[47:10] >> I have my Scarlet Spider costume ready
[47:12] to go.
[47:13] >> What? Mike,
[47:14] >> I said I I have my Scarlet Spider
[47:15] costume ready to go. Remember last
[47:17] Halloween I sent you a picture of me
[47:18] dressed up?
[47:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we can do a
[47:21] video. Let's do it.
[47:25] Uh, Arman gave us five pounds and said,
[47:27] "I've seen every Spider-Man movie in
[47:29] theaters with my dad. Even the Remy
[47:31] films had reruns in the shitty 480p
[47:33] Pakistani theater." Uh, my first film,
[47:35] my first Spider-Man was Amazing
[47:37] Spider-Man, too. That's awesome.
[47:39] >> What What was everybody Oh, that's a
[47:41] dumb. Never mind. I was going to say,
[47:42] what was everybody's first Spider-Man?
[47:44] But you're all Yeah. Mine, too. We're
[47:45] old. We're old. Yeah.
[47:48] >> Yeah.
[47:48] >> Yeah. I was when it came out.
[47:51] >> That was my first movie.
[47:53] Really?
[47:54] >> Really?
[47:54] >> My mom took me when I was five. Yeah.
[47:56] >> Wow.
[47:57] >> I was 22, but there's a moment in that
[48:00] movie that turned me into a kid again.
[48:01] And this doesn't happen very often in
[48:03] art, especially when you're an adult.
[48:04] Like, I can think of a couple plays that
[48:05] I saw where I got completely sucked in
[48:07] and forgot I was watching a play. Uh the
[48:09] moment in that movie where Green Goblin
[48:12] is he's, you know, it's at the Roosevelt
[48:15] they're on Roosevelt Island. They're
[48:17] over at the old orphanage ward and
[48:18] stuff. And he's he says, "After I kill
[48:20] you, I'm going to kill AMA. I'm gonna
[48:22] kill Mary Jane. And I genuinely, as a
[48:24] 22-year-old adult, thought,
[48:27] >> "Oh my god, the Green Goblin's gonna
[48:29] kill Mary Jane and Aunt May." Like, I I
[48:31] was so sucked into the movie and that
[48:33] experience of like observing a comic
[48:35] book. I was really scared in that
[48:37] moment. And then, of course,
[48:38] >> you know, front brain kicked in and I
[48:40] went,
[48:40] >> "You're you're you can go buy liquor
[48:43] right now if you want. Why are you
[48:45] [laughter] worried about this? This is
[48:47] ridiculous." Uh, but yeah, that really
[48:49] hit me hard. Now, here's from Down Under
[48:51] from Australia gave us $15 and said, "I
[48:53] have questions about the TV spot," which
[48:55] I thought was what we just watched, but
[48:57] listen to these questions. Did you see
[48:58] the Stark Tech logo on the inhibitor?
[49:01] Why is MJ in the graveyard? What is the
[49:03] injection into Spider-Man's arm? And can
[49:05] we start a GoFundMe for Doug's Bale?
[49:08] >> I saw that still. I saw a still of MJ
[49:11] standing in a graveyard. I think they're
[49:12] starting to release a lot of TV spots.
[49:14] Yeah,
[49:15] >> I I also saw a Peter doing the the the
[49:18] web tornado and it's like a shot like
[49:21] this. It's like from an angle where the
[49:23] camera's under him. So maybe that's from
[49:25] a TV spot as well or like
[49:27] >> you know they do different cuts of
[49:28] trailers for different markets like
[49:30] international markets. So maybe there's
[49:31] that.
[49:33] >> We got to break these trailers down. I
[49:34] had I had no idea. I was going all day
[49:36] yesterday so I had no idea that like I
[49:38] was totally in Supergirl world. Um so I
[49:41] don't know. Phil Rumba I
[49:43] >> Doug's bail is currently set at $5
[49:45] million. So if I can't say what he's
[49:49] been charged with, but that should tell
[49:51] you
[49:52] >> what currency because is it five million
[49:55] people
[49:55] >> dollar?
[49:58] [laughter]
[50:00] >> Depending on the strength of the yen, we
[50:02] should have them out in a couple of
[50:03] minutes. Okay. Uh Gio Kais gave us five
[50:06] euros. Sorry, I don't know how to say
[50:08] the last name. Uh, Pizza Papa.
[50:10] [laughter]
[50:11] Pizza Papa remembers Peter because Pizza
[50:14] Papa always remembers.
[50:17] >> Man, that is just just an excellent call
[50:21] back to another Remy connection. That's
[50:23] great.
[50:24] >> How have they not brought back Mr.
[50:25] Dinkovich?
[50:27] >> Like even at the end of No Way Home when
[50:29] they have the landlord say off camera,
[50:32] "Rents due on the on the first, don't be
[50:34] late." I'm like, "How did you get this?"
[50:37] That's what it could have been.
[50:38] Dinkovich otherwise it's a distraction
[50:40] if he's in the scene. But yeah,
[50:43] >> god it would have been so good.
[50:44] >> I know. Glow catsy says for five. Why
[50:48] are we not talking about Peter fighting
[50:49] with his mask off since we know how
[50:51] important his identity and the spell is
[50:52] for Spidey? Is he going to kill the
[50:54] hand? Why does he take his mask off? Or
[50:56] does he take his mask off?
[50:58] >> They probably take his mask off.
[50:59] >> I don't think the hand
[51:00] >> they take his mask off. But I wonder if
[51:02] it's also like Thor's eye patch, you
[51:04] know, like where they digitally had the
[51:06] um they took his eye patch out in the
[51:08] Ragnarok trailer, you know, or no, they
[51:10] put the eye patch on. So I wonder if
[51:12] like
[51:13] >> in that scene if they did film him with
[51:15] his mask off for that eyeball shot where
[51:17] you see his eye change,
[51:18] >> but he's not actually wearing the mask
[51:20] in the scene. I don't know.
[51:22] >> They definitely had asked him, but the
[51:24] question is
[51:25] >> concerned about the hand knowing who he
[51:27] is. A prison is likely full of cameras.
[51:29] So yeah, I I get what you're saying.
[51:33] >> Unless there's like an E impulse or
[51:35] something, but he's right. That's a
[51:36] really great point.
[51:37] >> You guys think the hand of the
[51:39] >> will kill Peter and then go kill MJ?
[51:43] >> No, I it's not going to pull me in that
[51:45] much.
[51:46] >> Um, we also got Raul Gonzalez gave us $5
[51:49] and says, "Spidey trying to get MJ and
[51:50] Ned to remember just for everyone to get
[51:52] their minds wiped again in Doomsday.
[51:54] Will they be in [laughter] Doom and
[51:57] Secret Wars?
[51:59] >> Sorry, I didn't hear the end. What was
[52:00] the end?
[52:01] >> No. Will they be in Doomsday and Secret
[52:03] Wars? Ah, man. They're going to
[52:04] remember. They'll remember him. It's
[52:07] It's the same thing in the comics when
[52:08] Doctor Strange has a similar spell where
[52:12] people can't know that Peter Parker's
[52:13] Spider-Man, but then there's this thing
[52:15] where everybody in Manhattan gets spider
[52:16] powers, so Spider-Man websings
[52:18] throughout the island. So, or sorry,
[52:20] Peter Parker does. And after that
[52:21] happens, it's people are capable of
[52:24] remembering if he tells them, you know,
[52:26] like if if they can they can then work
[52:28] it out. It like kind of shatters the
[52:29] spell. So I definitely think that at
[52:31] least for them, their mind's not going
[52:34] to get wiped everything. But
[52:35] >> it's still a tragedy though if they
[52:36] don't have their memories of their
[52:38] friendship with Peter in high school,
[52:40] though. It's like if they just suddenly
[52:42] can link together like, oh, cuz like
[52:45] they don't know who Peter Parker is,
[52:46] right? Like that's the baby.
[52:48] >> Well, that's the thing. I think that
[52:49] when he tells them they remember
[52:51] everything
[52:52] >> just like in really the comics like yeah
[52:54] like there's a couple instances of this
[52:56] when um uh Daredevil does the same thing
[52:59] and like kind of mind wipes the purple
[53:01] man mind wipes and Kingpin finds out
[53:02] Kingpin has to discover oh I used to
[53:04] know the whole time but when people
[53:06] rediscover Spider-Man's identity they
[53:08] remember like it's the whole
[53:10] >> I like that I don't like the idea of
[53:12] them like continuing their relationship
[53:15] after Peter's like yeah I'm I'm
[53:17] Spider-Man we knew each other blah blah
[53:18] blah and they just still don't remember.
[53:21] But why don't you keep it? That would be
[53:23] weird. Yeah,
[53:25] >> I definitely think he freaks them out.
[53:26] There's a thing in the trailer where Ned
[53:28] is like, "Wait, you guys haven't met?"
[53:29] And I think that that
[53:30] >> Well, and they're obviously still so
[53:32] drawn to him. Like, she's still wearing
[53:33] the necklace he gave her. And Ned is
[53:36] obsessed with Spider-Man. So, they still
[53:38] remember like a lot. And there's just
[53:40] like something I feel like there's just
[53:42] like this thin film that represents the
[53:45] spell that's like right there that just
[53:48] if you tear at it a little it Yeah. come
[53:50] flowing through.
[53:51] >> It's reme.
[53:53] >> Yeah.
[53:54] >> Yeah. Yeah. You're right.
[53:55] >> Yeah. Thin candy show.
[53:57] >> Uh Gavin Mohan gave us
[54:01] >> Gavin Mohan gave us $10 and said, "What
[54:04] I think it should be is Martin Lee, Mr.
[54:06] Negative, is the secret villain behind
[54:08] the curtain." which mind control powers.
[54:10] That's Mr. Negative using his corruption
[54:12] powers to control Gan and change the
[54:14] Hulk. I love this. He can also be the
[54:16] new leader of the hand to get them
[54:17] involved.
[54:19] >> Every time I hear a lot of dots,
[54:21] >> every time I hear behind the curtain, I
[54:23] just think of that frame from Wizard of
[54:24] Oz.
[54:26] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
[54:28] >> But he was Mr.
[54:29] >> That's a lot of dots in a really organic
[54:31] way. Who's Mr. Maybe that's why the Hulk
[54:34] is gray cuz he's in like black and white
[54:37] kind of.
[54:37] >> Could be.
[54:38] >> No, no, no.
[54:39] >> Which is like not really how Mr.
[54:41] Negative typically makes people look,
[54:43] but like it's close.
[54:45] >> The Hulk is gray because Jean Gray
[54:47] mutant gan
[54:51] because
[54:53] >> which came from Jean or the Hulk?
[54:56] >> We've got Saturday.
[54:58] >> The pizza papa comment by the way
[55:00] belonged to Ric Flair's hairs. I got
[55:01] that mixed up. And Loving Life A2Z gave
[55:03] us $5 and said, "Just finding out I'm
[55:05] late to the game, but I love seeing
[55:07] Tommy B on SC. Looking great, Tommy. You
[55:10] do look really good, Tommy. Love the
[55:11] glasses and haircut. Play my graphic."
[55:15] >> Yeah.
[55:16] >> Oh, yeah. That's a That's a call back to
[55:18] an old organization we sh not name on
[55:21] this channel.
[55:22] >> Ah, I got you. I got you.
[55:24] >> It's your own break. Okay. Um,
[55:26] >> moving on. Let's talk about We don't
[55:28] have much, but Alex Perez
[55:31] one company to the other. He's still
[55:33] Tommy, but he can't use his signature
[55:34] moves.
[55:35] >> Yeah, I can't use my old entrance music
[55:36] and I can't say the words [laughter]
[55:38] mandatory fun ever in the sentence, but
[55:40] I can talk about Spider-Man.
[55:44] >> Alex Perez uh recently tweeted um he
[55:47] said, "I kind of want to get the
[55:48] multiverse saga over with. I want to
[55:50] talk about mutants, the Shadow King and
[55:54] Mr. Sinister, which makes me think, are
[55:55] they the next villains for the X-Men?
[55:57] the Novaore who they've been teasing the
[56:00] Novaore for years or like implying they
[56:02] would be there. First scene obviously
[56:04] Thanos destroying
[56:05] >> Xandar.
[56:07] >> Um the symbiate which you know I'm sure
[56:10] Peter will get the symbiot in Secret
[56:11] Wars and maybe we already had a hint for
[56:13] this in this episode.
[56:16] >> The Maggie of Crime Lords Electra which
[56:18] you know Electra um is going to appear
[56:21] in Daredevil season 3. Why are the hand
[56:24] after Peter if Electra seems like it's
[56:26] all too much of a coincidence? Uh
[56:28] Bullseye, what he's up to, the
[56:31] Thunderbolts 2.0, Eternals and
[56:34] Celestials. Are we ever going to get the
[56:35] Eternals followup? And uh the comic book
[56:37] Judgment Day, which is interesting that
[56:40] he brought this up because Judgement Day
[56:41] is a 2022 Marvel comics event where the
[56:43] Celestials pass judgment on all of the
[56:45] Eternals, X-Men, and Avengers. And maybe
[56:47] that's the big bad at the end of secret
[56:50] at like for the next saga, the mutant
[56:52] saga, which could then bring in the
[56:53] Phoenix, and also would make the
[56:54] Eternals [ __ ] matter.
[56:57] >> Of that list, I just want to hear before
[56:59] we go, what are you guys excited about?
[57:01] Is there anything that really gets the
[57:02] back of your mind creative impulse?
[57:04] >> If they could use the Shadow King and
[57:08] pull in some elements of Legion, that
[57:11] would be so great. I
[57:12] >> Legion has no [ __ ] excuse to be that
[57:15] good. It is such a great show.
[57:17] >> Oh, it's so good.
[57:18] >> I'm just excited for an X-Men villain
[57:20] that isn't Magneto. And I love Magneto
[57:24] or or Apocalypse or Striker. Like like
[57:27] they have so many cool villains. Yeah.
[57:29] >> I wish they would redo Age of
[57:31] Apocalypse. And they might, you know,
[57:33] like a decade from now. But
[57:35] >> look at the actual Age of Apocalypse. If
[57:37] you're going to do alternate universe
[57:38] multiverse stories, do the alternate
[57:40] timeline where he won.
[57:41] >> Yeah. And I think that's probably the
[57:42] next
[57:44] >> Secret Wars like the 10 years from now
[57:46] when they do the next giant event, giant
[57:48] Marvel event apocalypse. Yeah.
[57:51] >> Do you think like comic accurate age of
[57:53] apocalypse where it's like a divergent
[57:55] timeline because of time travel and
[57:56] stuff?
[57:57] >> I think the multiverse saga
[57:59] >> the stuff that they laid groundwork for
[58:01] Kang in um uh Moonnight. Remember how
[58:04] they had like the images of Kang and
[58:06] stuff? They reccon all that stuff to be
[58:08] apocalypse.
[58:09] >> Could be. We might even get Moonnight
[58:12] season 2 someday. I mean, they got a
[58:13] great setup.
[58:13] >> I love Moonnight season 2.
[58:16] >> I personally
[58:18] um
[58:19] >> looking at this list,
[58:21] >> I still think the Eternals had a great
[58:22] setup and it definitely deserved
[58:24] something else. I think some of these
[58:25] are definitely going to happen like the
[58:27] symbiate. I just think Marvel is done
[58:29] keeping their big [ __ ] on the bench
[58:31] right now. I think they need to bring
[58:32] out all the big guns. We need Venom. We
[58:34] need the mutants. We got to get all
[58:37] whatever Sony wants in the next deal
[58:38] with Marvel, Marvel will pay it. I think
[58:40] that they really want to rebuild and
[58:42] earn the trust of fans back.
[58:44] >> I want a good representation of Venom. I
[58:46] am utterly disappointed with every movie
[58:48] version of Venom that we have ever
[58:50] gotten. I'm not a fan of Tom Hardy. Come
[58:52] at me. I don't care. I hated the Venom
[58:54] movies. I thought they were really bad.
[58:56] And obviously the Toeer Grace one at
[58:58] Spider-Man 3 also really disappointing.
[59:00] Give us a good legitimate MCU Venom,
[59:03] please. Hey man, I there's about 10
[59:05] minutes in Venom that I really enjoyed
[59:08] when the sent [laughter] first bombs
[59:10] with him and he says that he was a loser
[59:11] on his planet.
[59:13] >> They had me for that little bit and had
[59:15] me right there.
[59:16] >> I love the first one.
[59:17] >> The other two suck, but
[59:19] >> the other two thing is do why I I hated
[59:23] back in the comics like Venom was cool
[59:25] as [ __ ] or because he appeared
[59:29] maybe maybe once every 18 months for his
[59:32] first few appearances. because they were
[59:33] really careful to not overuse him. He
[59:35] was always this person who you really
[59:38] felt like Spider-Man was screwed when
[59:39] Venom showed up. He had all these
[59:41] advantages over Spider-Man that no other
[59:43] villain had. He knew his secret
[59:45] identity. He was stronger than him. He
[59:47] could his Spider-Man spider sense
[59:49] detects. Yeah,
[59:51] >> exactly. So, there were all these
[59:52] different things. Loving Love and Life
[59:54] A2Z gave us $2 and said, "PG, I'll
[59:56] always be a Tommy B original in my
[59:58] heart." And Rick Taylor gave us $2 and
[60:00] said, "Hulk versus beast." That would
[60:01] also be very cool, especially if we're
[60:02] talking about the hands beast.
[60:04] >> But the point is that they um
[60:08] >> that Venom was cool because he was
[60:09] underused. And then at a certain point,
[60:11] Marvel, you know, which had been given
[60:12] this mandate to grow, grow grow. They
[60:14] were trying to like they were buying toy
[60:16] companies and Pog companies and all this
[60:17] other [ __ ] They had a mandate, okay, we
[60:19] got a spin-off. We got to have new
[60:20] characters. They were trying to
[60:21] basically push every other comic off the
[60:24] shelves in comic book shops back when
[60:26] that kind of thing mattered. And they
[60:28] turned villain Venom into
[60:31] a lethal protector and then he got like
[60:33] a series of limited series so they could
[60:36] always sell in issue number one. They
[60:37] were always foiled and they sucked. I
[60:39] never ever thought Venom worked. There
[60:41] was some really good work done later on
[60:43] that dove into like Eddie's past and him
[60:45] redeeming himself. But for me, he just
[60:48] always works better as a guy who just
[60:50] hates Spider-Man
[60:52] >> and that's his defining characteristic
[60:54] along with his psychosis of having a
[60:55] dual like he's a he speaks in the
[60:57] plural. But again, there's been some
[60:59] great work. You know, we've covered it.
[61:00] We did a great video, a history of
[61:02] Venom, that was really, really good and
[61:04] dove into a lot of stuff later on. But
[61:06] for me, that's the Venom stuff I want in
[61:08] the movies. I don't want to skip
[61:09] straight
[61:10] >> Why didn't they put Toe for Grace's
[61:12] Venom in Spider-Man No Way Home, by the
[61:14] way.
[61:15] >> Sky, I'm sure he was one of the people
[61:17] in the sky.
[61:18] >> For that matter,
[61:19] >> all the Spider-Man Noir villains, I
[61:21] guess, should have been there. Or no,
[61:22] because they didn't know him as Peter
[61:24] Parker. They knew that he was Spider-Man
[61:25] or that he was the
[61:26] >> Well, I mean, they only they only
[61:28] brought the ones in from those two
[61:29] universes, but he totally should have
[61:32] been there. We needed Toe for Grace
[61:34] Venom.
[61:34] >> Three universes cuz Venom,
[61:36] >> we needed Dane to Green Lant Green.
[61:40] >> But then we wouldn't have gotten that
[61:41] great joke when they were talking about
[61:42] villains they fought and he he brought
[61:44] up like the you know, I fought like some
[61:46] black goo from space. [laughter]
[61:49] >> That was one of my favorite scenes in
[61:50] that movie. All right, guys. We are
[61:51] going to have to sign off there, but
[61:52] this has been so much fun. I hope you
[61:54] guys have had fun watching us. Uh, and
[61:56] you got to watch us react to a
[61:57] Spider-Man trailer that none of us had
[61:58] seen,
[61:59] >> which was super cool. And I'm sure we're
[62:00] going to have other Spider-Man trailers
[62:01] to break down for you guys soon. Uh,
[62:04] [ __ ] Tommy, you got to go, man.
[62:06] >> Janet, put the katana down. I'll be
[62:08] right there. Guys, I got to get out of
[62:10] here. I'm so sorry.
[62:11] >> You can find Tommy's links below. Thanks
[62:12] so much, Mike. You can always find Mike
[62:14] at his uh Instagram. It's linked below.
[62:17] I gotta go bail uh Doug out of jail.
[62:20] Hey, Janet, grab that katana. Bring it
[62:22] with us. We're going to need it.
[62:24] All [laughter] right, talk to you later,
[62:24] Mike. Thank you. And Colton, you can
[62:27] find here on the channel all the time
[62:28] and on his own channel, which is linked
[62:29] below. Thanks, Colton.
[62:30] >> Thanks, Janet.
[62:32] >> And we want to hear from you guys. Let
[62:33] us know in the comments what you think
[62:35] about the trailers for Spider-Man: Brand
[62:37] New Day, which your theories on the
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