[00:00] And this is a dehumidifier. This one's got a bucket. You're about to learn a lot about dehumidifiers.
[00:14] How the heck is there that much to talk about dehumidifiers? But I'm making this video because these machines have a simple mission with perplexingly confusing side effects.
[00:31] they remove water from the air and decrease humidity. But the ramifications of that are, I'd wager, not very well understood.
[00:44] I myself didn't realize something pretty profound about these until quite recently, so today I'd like to talk about how dehumidifiers work. and when you understand the details, it might cause you to reevaluate where and how best to use them.
[01:02] This video is kind of all over the place, so rather than bury the tack too deep, The purpose of these machines is not to make you comfortable
[01:14] They absolutely will not do that. We all know from experience that humid air sucks when it's hot outside
[01:28] and make air less humid is like... its job. But before you run out and grab one of these things thinking it'll help in the next heatwave, there's a giant catch you need to be aware of:
[01:41] The process of dehumidifying the air generates heat, and it's a lot more heat than you might expect. and larger ones will easily exceed that.
[01:56] And you probably don't want to be running a space heater during a heatwave. and it creates some really interesting implications when you use a dehumidifier alongside an air conditioning system.
[02:12] But to fully understand them, we have to get pretty deep into the weeds. But long story short,
[02:24] if you don't have a significant and chronic humidity problem somewhere in your home which requires attention, It's just going to make a lot of heat, a lot of noise and waste your money.
[02:41] So... what qualifies as a humidity problem? if indoor relative humidity persistently stays above about 65%, (though, you'll find disagreement on the exact number)
[02:56] That can lead to mold and mildew growth which is unpleasant and dangerous. In addition to that, high humidity can accelerate corrosion on things that corrode
[03:08] and quick and material degradation in materials that degrade And if that's not enough, high moisture environments are more likely to attract certain pests.
[03:20] And if the damp gets real bad, it can even cause structural issues. So if you live where the air gets mmmmoist, a lot, They're practically a staple of Midwestern basements and crawl spaces during the summer months,
[03:38] especially when people have problems with stormwater seepage down there. Did you catch, though, that I said basements and crawl spaces? They're not generally conditioned.
[03:52] Or if they are, such as with a finished basement, they're often poorly conditioned compared to the rest of a home. The main issue down there is that since those areas are partially underground,
[04:04] in the warm months of the year, they're typically cooler than the outside air temperature. And that leads to persistently elevated humidity. Now, it's important to understand why that is the case.
[04:18] When we talk about how much water vapor is in the air, we usually discuss relative humidity. relative humidity doesn't actually tell us how much water vapor is in a given volume of air.
[04:33] We don't actually need to care about how many water molecules are in a cubic meter of air. Relative humidity tells us what's usually more important:
[04:45] Air's current ability to absorb more moisture. meaning air with 50% relative humidity is 50% saturated,
[04:58] and thus it has absorbed half as much water vapor as it theoretically can. Air's total capacity to absorb moisture depends on its temperature.
[05:12] Air can absorb more moisture the warmer it is. So if you take a known volume of air with a known saturation percentage and heat it, It has exactly as much water vapor in there as it did before we warmed it up,
[05:31] but the air's increase in temperature unlocked more capacity for it to absorb water vapor, which ultimately lowered its relative humidity. This is why the indoor air is usually very, very dry in the winter months.
[05:48] Elevating the indoor air temperature causes relative humidity to fall. But of course, the opposite is also true. If you take air and cool it down, it loses its ability to hold on to moisture.
[06:04] And that means the same volume of air, when chilled - even though we haven't added any water vapor - becomes more saturated and thus its relative humidity goes up.
[06:17] What this means for a house or structure is that when there's any air exchange at all between the cool basement or crawl space and the outside air (or even just the rest of the house), relative humidity will be persistently higher in those cooler spaces.
[06:34] That means it's harder for liquid water to evaporate down there, which in turn means wet stuff dries out more slowly. If humidity levels are elevated enough stuff will dry out so slowly that you risk damage to whatever's down there,
[06:52] So what do you do in that situation? Dehumidifiers technically are a form of air conditioning, but they don't provide cooling.
[07:05] They simply extract moisture from the air and collect it in a bucket, or send it down a hose to a drain. That makes them less energy intensive than cooling. And for a space that's already kind of cool but a little too damp, they make perfect sense.
[07:22] and it will switch on when the air's too humid, begin extracting water from the air and then switch back off once humidity is back in range.
[07:34] Now, I don't have a basement or crawl space at home, And that space is not conditioned at all - which isn't necessarily a problem and genuinely isn't in the winter months.
[07:49] But I live in the Midwest, and in the summer months it can get quite humid outside. I store a good deal of stuff in my garage which I don't want to be damaged from that humidity,
[08:01] and that's why I have this little dehumidifier. It keeps the air in the garage from exceeding 50% humidity, Even when I come home in the rain and park a very wet car in the same space with all that stuff.
[08:20] As the car drips water onto the floor and starts to dry out, the air in the garage starts to get very wet. But, the dehumidifier always notices "it's getting a little bit damp in here" and switches on.
[08:34] It keeps the air dry to protect your stuff. Though it does have the side benefit of helping the car dry off a lot faster.
[08:47] Before we explore how they work, I want to give two pieces of advice. First, if you are in actual need of a dehumidifier, for it to be any good at all it needs to cost more than $100 and it needs to be a fairly heavy and cumbersome machine.
[09:07] This little one, which is the smallest capacity you can get from a mainstream brand, came with casters because it weighs about 30 pounds. I'll show you what's making it so heavy shortly, but please know and share with your friends
[09:22] that cheap machines that you can easily pick up are useless junk. This thing from Amazon, as far as I'm concerned, is a piece of e-waste which should not exist.
[09:37] This has no business calling itself a dehumidifier, as it can't even counteract the added moisture from your average human breathing. There are a lot of purported "dehumidifiers" just like this for sale these days which simply do not, in fact, do that.
[09:57] And they're starting to show up in mainstream hardware stores, too. In the US, dehumidifiers are rated in pints of moisture removal per day. And this unit, which I will remind you is the smallest capacity you can get from a mainstream brand,
[10:14] Yet Home Depot will gladly sell you this 3.2 pint unit from Magic Chef for 63 bucks, and Menards will sell you this one pint machine for 70 bucks.
[10:30] Don't waste your time with anything like that and put it back on the shelf. And if you'd rather not waste your time emptying the bucket from a real dehumidifier but you also don't have access to a drain where you need to put it
[10:45] before you resign yourself to the bucket brigade, look into getting one of these. It's a tiny, self-contained sump pump which you can drain a dehumidifier into using an abridged garden hose.
[11:01] And once the dehumidifier fills the sump with extracted water, Then it pumps that water... You can easily hook vinyl tubing up to these things,
[11:16] and if you've got a reasonable way to run that tubing to another room with a sink or drain, or even through an outside wall, Some dehumidifiers are now being sold with built in pumps,
[11:30] but in my experience they don't work that well. I bought one some years ago and its pump broke after less than a year. These dedicated pumps are much more robust, though they can still fail.
[11:47] So if you're using one where an overflowing pump would cause a mess, you should periodically check on it to confirm it's working. But with that out of the way, why is this such a heavy and cumbersome machine?
[12:01] And through the magic of having a broken one, I could tear this bigger fella apart with reckless abandon. an air conditioner.
[12:14] These are all the same parts we find in a small window air conditioner like this. In the dehumidifier, they're simply rearranged. Here's a blower fan to move air through the evaporator coil.
[12:28] And then sitting right behind the evaporator is the condenser coil. If you know anything about air conditioners, this arrangement will seem more than a little strange.
[12:44] But it actually makes sense given what the purpose of this device is. It's a dehumidifier. Don't air conditioners also dehumidify?
[12:57] And that's why this is weird and complicated literally is an air conditioner. But it's controlled by a humidity that rather than a thermostat.
[13:11] And it has provisions to collect the condensate that an air conditioner typically sends down a drain or simply lets drip outside. Other than the different controls and the float switch that will shut it down when the bucket is full,
[13:25] this is the same machine that cools air, except it doesn't cool the air. In fact, it makes the air very hot when it's running in a humid environment. I know! I'll set up a wireless hose!
[13:42] and then put one of my temperature data loggers on top of it in the airstream of its exhaust. Then I switched it on and let it run nonstop for an hour.
[13:55] When operating, this small unit only consumes about 300W of power, which is not very much. If we were releasing that into the room as heat, it would raise the air temperature a little bit, but not a whole lot.
[14:10] over an hour of adding 300W of heat to the room, the exhaust temperature slowly rose and by the end it had reached about 90°F, roughly 32 Celsius.
[14:25] But then I switched on the arch nemesis of a dehumidifier: And in fact, two of them. Working together in that little bathroom they dramatically increased humidity levels.
[14:38] But the dehumidifier worked diligently to undo that, which you can see as this fairly steady drip of water coming out of the hose. But notice what happened to the dehumidifier's exhaust temperature once the battle began:
[14:53] In just 15 minutes, it was above 100°F. And by the end of the hour, it was tickling 105 (about 40 Celsius).
[15:06] but these machines move a ton of air through them. So it's actually quite a lot of heat energy being expelled.
[15:18] And that's despite only using about 300W the entire time. How and why is there so much extra heat all of a sudden? Latent heat and latent heat.
[15:37] To help explain this, I want to set the dehumidifier aside for a moment and go over how an air conditioner works. And I promise, this isn't just another chance for me to explain the refrigeration cycle. It's actually very important to understanding the whole picture here.
[15:52] But if you're not a newcomer to this channel and already know the basics of heat pumps then you can go ahead and skip to So an air conditioner is a machine which is exploiting the physical properties of a chemical known as a refrigerant
[16:12] in order to move heat energy from one location to another. And when you do that, the location which is getting energy removed from it becomes cooler. We can do this because refrigerants have very useful relationships between their boiling points and their pressure.
[16:31] The refrigerant inside this air conditioner, difluoromethane or R32 is normally a gas. And at atmospheric pressure its boiling point is about -35°F.
[16:44] In other words, you'd need to get it that cold in order for the gas to transition to a liquid. in fact, 7.58oz, or 215g of it
[16:58] And that allows us to do some very interesting things. When this machine is operating, a mechanical compressor squeezes our gaseous refrigerant and forces it into this maze of piping.
[17:17] All of those fins attached to the copper pipe looping back and forth help to quickly transfer heat energy from those pipes to the air. And a fan helps speed up that process even further by moving lots and lots of air through these fins.
[17:35] [compressor starts buzzing] We need to do this because once the refrigerant exits the compressor, it's under very high pressure - typically above 300 PSI. All that pressure is squeezing the refrigerant molecules together,
[17:50] which has the effect of dramatically elevating the refrigerant's boiling point to temperature. In fact, under these sorts of pressures, the refrigerant boiling point becomes higher than outdoor air temperature.
[18:04] Typically by about 20°F. the refrigerant cannot remain a gas. The pressure in these pipes is too high and the ambient air temperature is too cold,
[18:20] so the refrigerant inside begins condensing into a liquid. That's why we call this heat exchanger the condenser. it releases lots and lots of heat.
[18:38] Once sufficiently cooled down by all the air being forced through the condenser, liquid refrigerant begins to stack up at the end of the condensers piping thanks to a restriction known as a metering device.
[18:54] That's there to limit flow and maintain a pressure imbalance between the two sides of the refrigeration circuit. After the liquid refrigerant passes through the metering device, it moves into a second heat exchanger.
[19:09] And thanks to the suction created by the intake of the compressor inside here the pressure is relatively low, perhaps 120 PSI. That causes the refrigerant's boiling point to plummet, landing somewhere around 40°F (about 5 Celsius).
[19:29] So once the refrigerant makes its way into here, the air in a room is actually hot enough to cause it to boil off and become a vapor again.
[19:44] Since the refrigerant vaporizes in this heat exchanger, we call it the evaporator. And when the liquid refrigerant starts boiling inside of these pipes, it gets very, very cold.
[19:57] Well, key to understanding the refrigeration cycle is that the refrigerant cannot boil away until it absorbs its latent heat of vaporization.
[20:09] That's the heat energy a substance must absorb to change phases from a liquid to a gas. Now, latent heat is very strange. Unlike sensible heat, which we experience as temperature,
[20:24] we can't feel latent heat or even detect it with a thermometer. if you're measuring the temperature of the liquid water with a thermometer,
[20:36] you will see it slowly and continuously rise as the water absorbs heat. But then it will get stuck at its boiling point temperature. I mean, boiling water is very hot to us fragile humans,
[20:54] but compared to the temperature of a flame or a glowing heating element, it's quite cold. And so it's still going to absorb lots of heat energy from a stove. Yet despite the fact that it's absorbing lots of heat,
[21:08] The temperature is just stuck. the only heat energy the water can absorb is latent heat.
[21:22] And rather than increase the temperature of the liquid water, that heat energy is transforming the liquid water into its gaseous form: water vapor. We can observe this as violent bubbling at the bottom of the pot.
[21:37] All it sees is the fact that the water is at its boiling point temperature. Now, very importantly, all the latent heat energy which turned the water into a vapor
[21:51] It didn't disappear. That heat energy is what's keeping the water at a higher state of matter. When the liquid refrigerant enters the evaporator,
[22:08] the pressure inside is so low that its boiling point falls below ambient air temperature, But to actually vaporize it has to absorb latent heat energy.
[22:23] This is why it immediately becomes so cold. which causes its sensible temperature to fall until it's at its new boiling point temperature.
[22:38] And like the water on a stove, it gets stuck there. But the refrigerant needs much, much more heat energy to completely vaporize. That's why the evaporator is also a heat exchanger.
[22:52] We need all these fins to help transfer heat energy from the air in the room into the cold refrigerant boiling inside the pipes. And when heat is transferred from the air into a colder substance, the air itself gets colder.
[23:10] the now gaseous refrigerant contains lots more energy than it did moments ago. It's still holding on to its latent heat energy that it just took from the room's air to become a gas.
[23:26] simply by taking another spin through the compressor, we can force the refrigerant to get rid of that heat energy. Once re pressurized by the compressor and sent back to the condenser,
[23:40] the refrigerant's under high pressure again, and its boiling point is back up in the well above ambient air temperature range. Since it's once again not possible for it to remain a gas, it will spontaneously condense.
[23:55] And as it does that, it releases the latent heat energy it just absorbed. at a pressure of 350 PSI the refrigerant's condensing temperature will be about 105°F or 40 Celsius.
[24:13] So it's gonna be that hot once it starts to condense. And to allow it to keep condensing, we need to help it get that heat out as quickly as possible. And of course, once it's condensed,
[24:29] it ends up back at the evaporator and the whole process repeats. and the process runs continuously so long as the compressor is operating.
[24:41] One, the condenser has the same basic structure as the evaporator. This is because it will be releasing just as much heat from the condensing refrigerant as the evaporator absorbs when the refrigerant boils.
[24:58] And two, notice that the condenser is in a very different location from the evaporator. This is the basic principle behind a heat pump.
[25:10] and they use the refrigerant as a working fluid to capture heat energy from indoors and move it outside, which results in the indoor air getting colder.
[25:23] When installed in a window, this machine's heat absorbing evaporator coil ends up inside the home, and the heat rejecting condenser coil ends up outside. So it pumps heat from inside to outside, which cools the indoor air.
[25:41] Though it's just got to get heat from inside the box to outside the box. That way they can also absorb energy from outside air and bring it inside to produce heating.
[25:59] It's actually not new at all, but we've gotten much better at making them work in cold climates. But anyway, there's one last thing to know about heat pumps. The actual work this device is doing is mechanical in nature.
[26:13] to spin a mechanical compressor which compresses a gas. The whole "refrigerant turns into a liquid and back" part happens naturally as a result of heat transfer.
[26:31] It's absorbing and releasing its latent heat energy all on its own. The machine is simply creating the conditions for that to happen. And it uses heat exchangers and fans to speed it up.
[26:44] Because the refrigerant condenses and vaporizes separately to the act of compressing it, the refrigeration circuit is actually capable of moving more heat energy than is required to run the compressor.
[26:59] And when you get, say, three times as much heat moving capacity as you do input power, Now, in an air conditioner like this,
[27:14] that would mean that for every watt of input power, you get three watts of cooling power. which is rated for 5000 BTUs per hour, (equivalent to roughly 1.5kW)
[27:29] The motors in the compressor and fan assembly consume that much power, but the refrigeration circuit is producing three times as much cooling power.
[27:43] And that is precisely why the dehumidifier has all the same parts as this air conditioner. You're getting extra heat moving capacity because the refrigeration cycle is awesome.
[27:55] well, wait a minute. Yes, this machine has all the parts of a heat pump, but it isn't pumping heat anywhere at all. The condenser, which in an air conditioner has to go outside so it can actually get heat energy out of the building to cool it down...
[28:14] It's sitting literally right behind the evaporator and in the same airstream. Which means that immediately after air is drawn through the evaporator and chilled by the refrigerant, absorbing latent heat energy,
[28:32] the air gets heated right back up on its way out by the refrigerant releasing latent heat energy. Well, we don't actually care at all about moving heat in this case,
[28:46] we just want to make a cold surface for water in the air to condense on. And the reason that works goes back to relative humidity.
[28:59] Remember that air can only hold on to so much water vapor, and the cooler the air is, the less water vapor it can absorb. This means that if you're able to cool it below the temperature at which air would become fully saturated and at 100% humidity
[29:17] (which, by the way, is a temperature we call the dew point), well, then suddenly the air's gonna have too much water in it, and the excess moisture will precipitate out of the air and onto cold surfaces.
[29:30] That temperature is called the dew point because that's why dew happens. You could say it's the, uh, dew process. but did you know that due process (d. u. e. due process)
[29:46] is really just a fancy way of saying everyone is innocent until proven guilty? Last I checked, that's a core belief that all Americans share.
[29:58] If for some reason you no longer feel that everyone deserves the presumption of innocence until they are proven guilty, Might want to get that checked out.
[30:11] Anyway, that's enough reinforcement of societal norms for today. You've experienced water condensing on cold things many times before. because the air right next to the cold surface of a can or glass becomes cooled below the dew point,
[30:29] That water used to be water vapor in the air, but the cold surface of the can caused it to condense. A dehumidifier is simply a machine with a very large, cold surface that we force air through
[30:47] so that we can cause the same effect at a much larger scale. So large that we can decrease the humidity in an enclosed space, or even an entire house. Now, as we know, the dehumidifier doesn't cool the air in a room,
[31:03] but it is still using a refrigeration circuit to do its job. I don't know precisely what coefficient of performance this machine runs at, but for the sake of the video, I'm going to assume it operates with a COP of 4.
[31:17] That means since this machine draws about 300W when it's running, it produces 1200 watts of cooling power in the evaporator right here. But of course, that also means it's producing 1200 watts of heating power in the condenser right in front of it.
[31:35] Those numbers are always going to match. Which would imply that since the condenser and evaporator are in the same airstream, their combined heating and cooling power will always cancel each other out.
[31:50] See, refrigerants aren't the only substances with a latent heat of vaporization. All substances have that, including water.
[32:03] Just as liquid water needs to absorb latent heat energy in order to vaporize, water vapor needs to release that latent heat energy to condense into a liquid. but it can be incredibly difficult for us to notice because it's latent heat and we can't feel it.
[32:24] For instance, when you grab a cold beverage from the fridge and condensation starts to form on its sides, that condensation doesn't feel hot because it isn't. Those water droplets will have a sensible temperature pretty close to the dew point temperature.
[32:40] But the water will impart its latent heat into the can as it condenses, causing the contents inside to warm up much more quickly than if the air was perfectly dry.
[32:53] And that heating effect won't stop until the surface of the can is above the air's dew point temperature. All right, and where does the dehumidifier fit into all this?
[33:05] Well, its whole job is to get water vapor out of the air, which it does by forcing it to condense onto the cold surface of the evaporator. And that means it's going to have to deal with the latent heat of water vapor.
[33:20] By converting it into sensible heat which we can feel. That's why the exhaust got so hot after I switched on the humidifiers.
[33:33] Now, I don't think the reason that happens is very easy to intuit, but it's pretty dang fascinating and is the key to this whole video, so I'm going to do my best to explain it.
[33:45] then when it goes through this dehumidifier, nothing would really happen. The air would be chilled by the 1,200 watts of... cold the evaporator is sucking out of it,
[33:59] but then it would be heated right back up by the 1,200 watts of heat being released by the condenser. the air coming out of the machine should be essentially the same temperature it was when it entered,
[34:14] plus 300W of heat from the motor windings. When humid air is drawn through the cold evaporator, though, Its cold surfaces will cause the air passing through it to fall below the dew point,
[34:30] and that forces water vapor in the air to begin condensing into water on the surfaces of the evaporator. And when that happens, as it always does, the water releases its latent heat energy
[34:43] But it's latent heat. It's heat we cannot feel and thermometers cannot register, No matter what's going on, the evaporator can only absorb 1200 watts of heat total.
[35:03] So if it's absorbing water's latent heat as it condenses, then it's actually losing the ability to cool the air that passes through.
[35:15] For example, if it's absorbing, say, 800W of latent heat from water condensing on it, then two thirds of the evaporator's cooling capacity is going towards a process which does not lower the air temperature.
[35:32] The evaporator still absorbed 1,200 watts of heat. We couldn't feel 800W of it because it was latent heat, but it was still heat that was absorbed by the refrigerant.
[35:48] With 1,200 watts going into the evaporator, 1,200 watts has to come out of the condenser. And it does - the condenser releases all the heat the evaporator absorbs.
[36:00] Latent or not, it doesn't care, and the total is always 1,200 watts. But with the 800W of cooling not happening because of condensing water, we experience a surplus 800W of sensible heat coming out of the condenser.
[36:17] All of the latent heat the evaporator absorbed becomes sensible heat when the condenser rejects it. Add that to the 300W of heat coming from the motor windings, and now there's 1,100 watts of sensible heat coming from this little machine.
[36:33] That's why the air leaving the dehumidifier is hot. This machine is converting the latent heat from condensing water vapor into sensible heat we can actually feel.
[36:45] And it just plops that heat right into the room. and this is one of the most visceral ways I've found to experience a machine generating much more heat
[36:58] It seems impossible for a device which only draws 300W from the wall to produce air as hot as this does. But that's precisely what happens thanks to the power of a heat pump.
[37:14] It's actually a very important concept to understand because of how it relates to comfort and cooling. Most people agree that when the weather is warm, drier air is more comfortable.
[37:30] But while these machines can and will certainly dry out the air, the basic reality here is they're going to release a lot of heat to do that. But even at 50% relative humidity, these things can produce a surprising amount of heat.
[37:50] Since they're usually controlled by a humidistat it won't produce that heat constantly, But it might as well be a space heater when it's running, so don't expect them to make you comfortable because they don't.
[38:05] They make otherwise humid environments safe for things which can be affected by moisture damage, If you're wondering how I can say that with such confidence,
[38:19] well, now it's time to imagine what would happen if you use a dehumidifier when you also have air conditioning. An air conditioner also has a cold evaporator absorbing energy from the air,
[38:32] so it also has to deal with the latent heat load from water vapor in the air condensing on it. an air conditioner can move that heat outside as it deals with it, which means for our intents and purposes it's gone.
[38:49] But the air conditioner still faces the same problem in that it can only move so much heat. And for every watt of its cooling capacity it spends condensing water out of the air,
[39:02] a watt of sensible cooling power is lost. an air conditioner is mainly just producing a lot of water and seems to struggle to cool the air temperature.
[39:17] "well, then add a dehumidifier! Give it the job of dealing with that water vapor so the air conditioner doesn't have to." While the dehumidifier will absolutely reduce the latent heat load that the air conditioner must deal with,
[39:37] it won't actually reduce the total heat load. It simply turns the water's latent heat into sensible heat, which the air conditioner will still have to deal with.
[39:49] What I'm saying here is that using a dehumidifier in a space that's already air conditioned If you are cooling the air anyway, the air conditioner will generally remove enough moisture to keep everything safely dry.
[40:05] There are situations where adding a dehumidifier to your HVAC strategy can make sense. For instance, in the shoulder seasons it might be getting too damp inside And sometimes it can be legitimately necessary.
[40:22] If your air conditioner wasn't sized correctly, it might not be handling the moisture on its own. This whole can of worms (the latent heat load of water vapor) is precisely why sizing an air conditioner correctly is so important.
[40:38] It needs to run fairly long cycles for it to actually extract water from the air, and an oversized air conditioner can produce too much sensible cooling too quickly,
[40:50] which causes it to run short cycles which don't effectively dehumidify. Although modern variable-capacity systems are much more flexible and they are improving the situation greatly.
[41:02] if you have bad enough moisture ingress issues from poor air sealing or seepage, But in an ideal world, assuming you have air conditioning and you regularly use it,
[41:19] you shouldn't really need a dehumidifier at all except in unconditioned or poorly conditioned spaces like basements, crawl spaces, garages, etc. an air conditioner can only get the air so dry.
[41:37] Because air's dew point temperature falls as humidity does, before long, an air conditioner reaches humidity equilibrium. At 72°F and 50% relative humidity, the dew point is about 52°F.
[41:53] And the evaporator coil in a properly functioning air conditioning system doesn't get much colder than that. an ordinary air conditioner can't drop humidity much below 50%.
[42:08] If you truly need or want it lower than that, a dehumidifier can get you a little bit lower and most allow you to run them nonstop if you wish. Just keep in mind it'll be working hard to do that consuming energy of its own,
[42:23] and it will produce more heat for your air conditioner to deal with. Well, that's a big, fat, "it depends." I mean, it's a concrete Yes if you have damp problems and a dehumidifier saves your stuff from damage.
[42:40] ehhhhh.... that's not easy to determine. Assuming a dehumidifier can remove more moisture per kilowatt-hour than your air conditioner can,
[42:52] then so long as your air conditioner can keep up with the extra heat it's producing, that might lower your energy costs a bit. These things are great at what they do, but they aren't exactly energy misers
[43:09] and full blown air conditioning systems (at least recent ones) are really energy efficient. can even alter the ratio between latent and sensible heat loading by tinkering with airflow and refrigerant pressures.
[43:25] Slowing air down can get the evaporator colder which will remove more moisture. And with the right sensors, you can make sure the coil doesn't ice up. if it's keeping your home dry on its own, there's really not much a dehumidifier is going to do for you.
[43:44] It's just gonna make noise for no good reason. The only situation where I personally think of a dehumidifier as a potential cost saving thing is when you're away from home and not using air conditioning at all,
[43:58] but you still want to ensure indoor humidity doesn't get too high. If you don't care about the temperature, well then you should be happy to let a dehumidifier run its little heart away. That's definitely going to be more cost effective than cooling the place when nobody's home,
[44:13] and a warmer indoor temperature compared to outside air tends to reduce humidity issues anyway. But unless you travel a lot or like you've got a vacation home somewhere,
[44:25] I would be very surprised if you'd actually get your money's worth out of the purchase of a dehumidifier. Also, to make a single dehumidifier effective for an entire house,
[44:37] you'd probably need to use your HVAC system's fan setting to move air around, It's usually a couple hundred watts at least. Alright, so now it's time to close this video out, which I'll do by acknowledging the flaw of dehumidifiers like this.
[44:56] And the temperature doesn't even need to be that cold for them to stop working so well, or indeed at all. These things are built to a cost and use very simple refrigeration circuits.
[45:10] And this means that the operating pressures in the evaporator and condenser are going to depend mostly on the ambient air temperature.
[45:22] And when the air temperature gets somewhere around 55°F or colder, that's about 13 Celsius, the refrigerant pressure in the evaporator might be low enough for the refrigerant boiling point
[45:34] And when that happens, the evaporator will freeze the water that condenses on it. And that will eventually plug up the evaporator with ice and then air can't travel through it anymore.
[45:50] Now any decent dehumidifier is going to be able to detect that this is happening and will shut off the compressor for a long enough period of time for the ice to melt. And that will happen pretty quickly since it keeps the blower fan running.
[46:04] But those periodic defrosts limit how much it can actually run and thus limit its effectiveness. However, this downside may not matter at all depending on your local climate.
[46:16] Where I live, you don't have to use a dehumidifier when the weather's cold. These things usually only get fired up in April or May and then get turned off around October. Cold but damp just isn't much of a thing here.
[46:31] We only encounter that in the shoulder seasons, and never for long enough to require intervention. And remember, simply heating the air lowers humidity. And you don't have to heat it very much to have a dramatic effect.
[46:45] When it's 55 degrees outside (13 Celsius), even if it's raining and the outdoor air is fully saturated with water, maintaining an indoor temperature of 68 degrees (20 Celsius) will lead to indoor humidity of 63%.
[47:02] but it's nowhere near as humid as raining. That's why humidity usually isn't a problem in the heating season. indoor air is so dry that we often want to add moisture, hence the humidifiers.
[47:22] is that humidity is always wrong! Anyway, because the icing doesn't really happen when virtually anyone in the US actually needs a dehumidifier,
[47:35] The refrigeration cycle is just too efficient, and our weather patterns mean the icing issue is only a problem for a week or two, if that.
[47:48] But as the old saying goes, there's more than one way to dry a flat. a rotary desiccant dehumidifier.
[48:00] which doesn't have the cold ambient performance problems a vapor-compression dehumidifier does. But it does have several drawbacks, which is probably why I had to wade through tons of Amazon sludge
[48:15] just to find this one model for sale. And speaking of Amazon sludge, remember this thing? Well, this piece of garbage does technically remove moisture from the air,
[48:28] and it uses the same "create a cold surface and blow air past it" principle that the real boy dehumidifier does, and uses a Peltier element instead.
[48:43] Those things that get put into novelty beverage coolers that don't work? Well, they also get put into dehumidifiers which don't work. In that same bathroom with ambient humidity over 80%.
[48:58] This so-called "dehumidifier" produced this much water in two hours. Maybe this would be useful but otherwise these things are just silly.
[49:14] There is a reason the catch buckets of a proper dehumidifier are so big. In the same two hours, this guy removed 1.2 liters of water from the air - 55 times as much!
[49:26] And yet it only consumed ten times as much energy as this thing did. Effective and efficient! if you noticed in the temperature logger chart I showed earlier that my testing happened back in August of 2024...
[49:43] Well, that's because this video had an entirely different scope and concept back then, which I abandoned. right when people would be putting their dehumidifiers away for the winter.
[49:57] and was mostly interested in water extracted per kilowatt hour, "latent heat is very confusing and dehumidifiers do not help you stay comfortable."
[50:14] we'll definitely bring that topic back up. it's not very efficient, but it is very interesting.
[50:26] ♫ condensedly smooth jazz ♫ Wow, that's a mouthful.
[50:38] when we look at the rotary desiccant machine, Well, what happened there? And if that's not enough, yeah, I'm going to restart that.
[50:53] relative humidity is 50% saturated and thus has abdorb. Okay, so we got to read this one faster.
[51:05] worked diligently to undo that stready dip of water. Oh boy.
[51:20] But that doesn't mean I'm going to forget the end of video captions gag! This is it. It's not a very good one. dew process