[01:19] beautiful fade in transition there Skye. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the comeback city. The best the brightest World of Warcraft podcast on a Wednesday night 8:15 Eastern Standard Time. Did we
[01:35] It's true. No no we definitely started on time ladies and gentlemen. We have a lot to go through today. Let's see if who's here bright and early. If you guys are here early in the chat and you're a comeback kids member and you're here on
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[02:03] for the first time. Shouter howdy howdy howdy. How we doing? KSG rocker of course once [music] dead outlaw crash how we doing baby? Ragnar Cara Jean we got freaking everybody in here. Mage unlock Mary McKinnon welcome of course
[02:18] one and all. Vito Skull deer big will Max Buckeye pixels. Wow full house tonight guys. How are we all doing? Got a lot of absolutely incredible news
[02:30] to dive into today. Oh yeah so much is going on in World of Warcraft just the last like 48 hours in terms of news and discussions and everything like that really excited. I'm hyped for this one. This is going to be a big show and
[02:44] out of it. Lance how you feeling? Man what a great week in World of Warcraft huh? What a great week it has been. I've really enjoyed it. I you know we had a
[03:00] we had a great first evening of heroic progression last week huh Skye? Oh yeah no it was a great first week. What did we go uh six of nine? Uh something like that. We did a big six of nine heroic frog for the first time
[03:13] heading into the heroic. Listen kick a plane in and only a three hour raid night guys. Listen six of nine heroic come on. That was awesome. That was Aleria Saturday. Listen I'm going to be honest buddy.
[03:26] honest buddy. I saw that fight by the way. That fight is a nuclear DPS check. Oh and let me tell you right now.
[03:38] It's time to level up guys. It's time there are some DPS members on our team that have a lot of work to do. There was one point in our raid the >> Okay. I'm not going to name names but I will [music] name the spec. It was a
[03:53] will [music] name the spec. It was a melee DPS spec. And as I'm giving call outs right? Okay. As I'm giving call outs I'm like okay we're shifting over doing this now doing this and we're progging.
[04:06] And I see this person out of the corner of my eye and they're melee DPS. Their body is completely faced the opposite direction. They're not even facing the boss. And I'm thinking to myself.
[04:19] in this moment right now with this person? This person's got to go. Listen I could understand low DPS but I Listen I could understand low DPS but I can't understand literally facing the
[04:33] entire wrong [ __ ] direction [music] as a melee character. Something's wrong. Something's wrong. And we got to get it fixed. We got a lot of work to do. Ladies and gentlemen have you ever seen Dodgeball the movie?
[04:47] You ever seen the average Joe's before they go meet the coach in the That's us right now. >> What's his name? Francis O'Houlihan? I don't know bro. I couldn't tell you his Flippo O'Houlihan? I
[05:01] Captain O'Houlihan. >> But it was so bad and I'm staring and it's so funny because the brain works so funny. The brain can go a hundred miles an hour and you in a matter of like a second you can think and so many things
[05:16] can happen in your brain. Okay. That so many things happen before you even process what's happening I didn't really fully process it until this moment and I just remembered I'm like yeah no not good. Now I'm happy we got six bosses
[05:30] down obviously I really am but that last fight crowned of the cosmos is such a fight crowned of the cosmos is such a humongous DPS check. This this team that Most of their guys were at about a hundred and ten thousand DPS and we're
[05:45] talking they just beat the enraged time. Hundred and ten hundred and five hundred thousand DPS mark. So. Let me ask you something. >> Absolutely not. Is there um
[05:58] Not looking good. Is there a damage amp on that fight? Uh I don't think so. But there is some cleave moments I will be real. But let's not sit here and forget there's a lot of down time in that fight where you're
[06:12] sitting around and you're moving. So to see everybody at the end and I'm I could To sit there at a hundred and five hundred and ten thousand DPS with everyone alive. Tough. I really hope that's an old clip.
[06:27] ads in phase one? Yeah. >> Well there you go. So why don't you shut your pie hole? Listen either way you know we'll we'll thought about something. I will not be there Saturday.
[06:41] Oh wow just thought about that one. Uh big deal. You guys listen you guys will have it right? You guys will get it down. Listen you guys got it. Listen this week
[06:53] is going to be all about just re-clearing getting some loot for everybody and going about our that's that's the play. I'm about to send out a macro right now to everyone [music] in the guild chat.
[07:07] That's the raid one. This is my show. >> Yeah but overall I would say it's been a great week in World of Warcraft. I'm very excited. can't believe just the amount of news that we've got even in this last day.
[07:20] on baby? Is Fury getting buffed or nerfed? Generally too dumb to it's very weird with the whole slayer situation right now. It's hard to get into. I I need to see the complete full patch notes when they deliver it most
[07:35] likely tomorrow or Friday night excuse me. So we'll have to check then but Howdy Mimic what up buddy? Howdy. As you guys can see I was very thirsty. Uh thank you boss man. Thank you sir.
[07:48] longer and we killed Paladins. Have some really wasn't that hard. Paladins is literally can your tanks Paladins is literally can your tanks press like taunt at a good time.
[08:01] press like taunt at a good time. So if they can yes. Dragons is can your team not be absolutely Actually I think dragons is a substantially it's actually not even close but whatever. This is beside the
[08:15] point. Jacob with the comeback kid membership man thank you so much man. I that's a new name. >> Jacob 88921 if you guys are in the chat give some comeback kid icons to the newest member man. Show some love. What
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[08:42] Well you're here now now you're stuck with me. I'm my shit's literally broken. Weird. Anyways ladies and gentlemen we have a lot to go through today. A ton to dive into. I don't want to waste any more time. Hopefully my intro works.
[08:56] Let's get into the weekly cool down. Time for the weekly cool down. Your full recap of everything that went down in World of Warcraft this week from blue posts and patch notes to class changes leaks and more. We're breaking it all
[09:08] down for you right now whether you missed a day or the whole week. Click that hearthstone and get ready cuz this is your reset. going to be completely real with you guys right now. There is a there's a lot
[09:23] going on in wow. Starting off hot right off the press. Brand new news as of 24 Lance. Incredible news for mythic plus players in general but honestly for the sake of World of Warcraft because
[09:38] I love when Blizzard tries new things new ideas and brings new [ __ ] to the I don't know about you. Don't get me wrong I love my my copy pasta just a little new skin every once in a while but boy oh boy do I love brand new ideas. How
[09:53] about you? Yes and I would rather talk about why they're doing this. I think they Well, well, what's going on first before you go diving into your rant Lance. Okay.
[10:08] diving into your rant Lance. Okay. >> the healer. Um Ladies and gentlemen, Thank you for the follow by the way. New achievements and rewards coming to think achievements and be like, okay, yeah, that [ __ ] means nothing. Well,
[10:22] something. So, they announced two new achievements coming to Mythic Plus achievements coming to Mythic Plus 12.0.5. One of which awards a time-lost familiar? Lance, [music] it's time-lost saddle.
[10:35] Kind of sounds like the PvP saddle situation going on here, right? Which can actually be exchanged for a mount from a curated selection. So, two new achievements are being added in 12.0.5. Keystone Myth is obtained at 3400
[10:49] first achievement, guys. >> to say that that's a terrible name. It's Yeah, they couldn't think of anything else, huh? I guess they Couldn't they have gone Mythic? They used Legend already, huh? Keystone
[11:01] Legend and Hero. >> Keystone God. Keystone Keystone Azeroth. Keep like I don't know. Keystone Myth. >> boy. Keystone Dawn. Keystone Mid like I don't
[11:15] we could have given this thing? Let me know in the comments section. Um obtained at 3400 Mythic Plus rating and will award a choice of mount including mount. So, pretty much the idea is you can take this little saddle and purchase
[11:30] can take this little saddle and purchase previously obtainable Keystone Mythic uh Legend and Hero mounts uh from previous seasons. Now, we don't know 100% what those are going to include. Keystone Chad, true.
[11:45] >> be That's a W one, Scalder. Keystone royalty, yeah. Um and then Umbral Champion is the second achievement you could possibly earn of the top 1% of could possibly earn of the top 1% of players and will be awarded an exclusive
[11:59] mount. Now, once again, no one knows what this actually means. Um mount everyone's getting or if it's a brand new one. No one No one really
[12:11] 3400 rating players will earn a time-lost saddle, earned once per farm these bad boys out wars, of course, which makes sense. Uh and then you can selection here. Listen, right off the bat, Lance,
[12:26] but I wanted to hear your thoughts on potentially why would they be doing Why midnight? How come they haven't done this before? >> So, we starting in Yeah, that's this Tuesday or Wednesday if you're EU coming
[12:40] up. So, we will know what the 3400 mount is within the next day or two, right? [music] >> the 3400 mount or the top 1% mount? right? >> the 3400 Yeah, the 3400 is the saddle
[12:55] purchase whatever you want. The second you get that. Okay. exclusive like Think of it for like said they're going to add some new mounts for the time-lost saddle.
[13:09] >> Maybe I read it wrong. I don't know. I I don't know at this point. threshold to be hit forever so we'll see. time. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] Yada, yada,
[13:21] yada. Yeah, yeah. Um so >> so the new mounts being added to the pool. Yeah, yeah, I mean, eventually all the new mounts. um I think the reason they're doing this is they didn't um they underestimated
[13:36] the difficulty of the season. Yes, absolutely. And thought that um >> over or overestimated it and not realizing that people would probably take a little bit longer to get to 3K. And now that Well, even and not that not
[13:49] you're not someone who usually gets it week one. >> Absolutely. Um or week two rather, but either way, I think that a lot of people are not only getting it, but way faster than they
[14:01] reason to conti- continue to push, right? There's no more achievement, there's no more mount. What's the reason for most people to do Mythic Plus? Cuz most people aren't going to try to go for that that title, right?
[14:13] Um so, I think they're just giving more like people more of a reason to funny. Me and you haven't discussed this at all, like literally for a second, and [music] It's simply just And I have it already
[14:27] tomorrow on the second channel, Comeback City, at 10:45 Eastern Good play, good play, good play. Um but I said in the video very, very clearly, I'm like, now? Like why wouldn't it be a next season thing? Well, it's obvious.
[14:42] anymore. You hit 3K rating, the season's over. Who gives a [ __ ] anymore? So, point is is, okay, how can we keep people half, two months, three [music] months
[14:55] major season, keep the hype back, whatever the case may be. How do we how do we make that a thing? Well, you elongate Mythic Plus a little longer, give more exclusive rewards, more reason to run these dungeons. Yeah. Gives them
[15:07] >> think 3400 is what I think I heard it was like all 17s or like I think it's >> I I think. That's what someone said on Twitter. Whether that's true or not. would be equivalent to like getting 3K in nor- like regular season. Probably.
[15:24] Probably, yeah. I I would bet on it. Three I I'm like 3160 Three I I'm like 3160 right now and I it feels so trivial. I'm like even the hard dungeons I'm running 14, 15s just feels trivial. And
[15:37] this is before the major gear push from the .5 patch. The gear push that we're ascend you into godhood. Razer, what's going on, good looking? How we doing? Got that pretty quickly. Yeah, 274, 2700. Yeah. 34 By the way, 3400 is not
[15:52] as steep as you think, by the way. I'm telling you right now, I like I promise you. You just need to get out of ELO hell. That's the the problem most likely, by the way, and I'm not trying to gaslight you people. The problem most
[16:04] likely isn't you most of the times. It's the players at ELO hell. You ever played like in bronze in League of Legends or like silver and you just get stuck because the players are just toxic? I was running a plus four the other day on
[16:17] an Outlaw Rogue. Um I was out DPSing people that had 270, 265-ish gear. >> What was your item level? 243. I'm out damaging people. So, it's an ELO problem. You put yourself
[16:32] around a really good players that everyone helps each other, kicks are going off, everyone's using their utility, crowd controls, you'll get out utility, crowd controls, you'll get out of bad ELO. So, my point is I think it's
[16:44] possible. Zoom boot. No, next week is So, we next week would mean we've been So, we next week would mean we've been in season one for eight weeks. So, so way through. So, we still have eight weeks to get to the point uh
[16:58] .7 and then another eight weeks before we get to the point >> the second the .7 comes, the patch is like practically done [music] because announcements >> another raid. Well, yeah. Oh, [ __ ] that
[17:11] Bro, you guys don't understand season one is so slam-packed [music] with content. We now have the Mythic Plus stuff. We have all the PvP stuff, by the way. Yeah. And then also we still have the new raid coming out in the .7, which
[17:23] we're going to talk about [music] in just a second. Um but very interesting. the whole Mythic Plus thing is the Umbral Champion thing. There are simply some specs that are incredibly horrible. Like that are never ever going to
[17:36] possibly make it to the 1%. >> do that though for this is they should make it you're in 1% of your spec. I would love that. Sounds good. But it would never happen. So, for example, I think I might have something to show in
[17:49] >> [cough and clears throat] >> I think they do. I could be wrong. >> But they also rate you by a per spec basis in solo shuffle, I believe. I'm not. Like I'm pretty sure.
[18:02] Yeah, I'm pretty sure like if you play solo shuffle as an Arms Warrior and then ratings, right? Someone confirm that? Let's go through So, for example,
[18:15] that's just hitting 3400. These are people around the top 1% right now. But if it was the top like percentage within that, right now, it's
[18:29] like like you could just go look at just the tanks, like Brewmaster 300 compared to these where they don't even equate to our like 30. You know what I mean? So, you go to the a DPS, for example, um right now top .1% Augmentation,
[18:44] there's there's one Affliction Lock. You know what I mean? So, like it thins out like you know, that situation in Mythic Plus. balanced [music] properly. It is what it is though. Like sometimes you got to
[18:58] play what the meta calls for if you want to be the 1%. >> that these other specs are so bad, but if you're trying to push the top 1% of content, you have to You got to play the best You got to be
[19:11] gives you the best chance to do it. It is what it is. It is what it is. You though is that you'll have people who run their their [ __ ] their 10 key and think that they have to play that spec to run a 10 key. Yeah, I agree. Um by
[19:27] the way, guys, if there's anyone in chat right now, we are openly looking for an Augmentation Evoker for our raid. Um we are progressing at heroic at a really nice rate. So, if anyone's interested in playing Augmentation Evoker with the
[19:40] Lance Saturday nights, um we are definitely openly looking for one desperately to help out our raid. So, if anyone's interested, more than welcome to come Come down. Um Shout out to Coozi, gave me the idea.
[19:53] So, moving on, um Sporefall boss in 12.0.7 will have a mythic flex difficulty. understand. What does that mean? Well, so as everyone here in Well, maybe not
[20:06] so as everyone here in Well, maybe not everyone, but as most people know, um mythic rating you will can only have 20 people in it. Yeah. Very strict. Need 20 people. Well, for the first time
[20:19] Well, no, Coozi not 10 man. But, for the first time ever in this 12.0.7 patch, they will be adding the Sporefall raid or boss, whatever you want to call it. And in there, they're going to allow you to flex mythic raid anywhere from 15 to
[20:32] And they said in this interview with Max that the reason they're doing this is they want to give people who maybe have never had the chance or guilds who never had the chance to to mythic raid because of roster sizes, maybe they had too many
[20:45] or just a few too little, a chance to do that. Yeah. Which I think is It's pretty [ __ ] cool. >> Yeah. No, listen, this is, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not going to lie, as a YouTuber, you
[20:59] you can. It's just the name of the game. It's not It's literally not my fault. I played. But, you can't hate the hate the, you It is what it is. I just got to understand how to get people to, you
[21:13] know, click on the thing. Uh Kelari, thank you so much for the 100K sub Appreciate it. Um but, at the end of the day, what we're talking about right here, this is 100% real. Something like this could actually
[21:26] even kidding, forever. Like, literally, it's actually not a joke. I'm not sure. >> Yeah, that actually could be a change. >> I'm being dead serious here. Um mythic rating has been locked to What is it? 25 people or 20? 20. 20 people for
[21:41] literally since inception in Siege of Orgrimmar. Is that really Okay. um an incredible amount of time we've had it locked at this range. And you guys got to understand, for a guild to try to
[21:56] go into heroic to mythic, it 90% of the time doesn't happen just simply because [music] as in they don't have the manpower. Like, coming up with the 20 best of your guild or your team or your roster
[22:09] every week, in and out, progression is hard like it is hard to come by, bro. It's not easy. And most of the time, these guilds don't even do it because it. But, not only just that, it's 20
[22:22] a lot of time to actually get their characters good enough to really step into a mythic raid because let's be real, we're not as good as Liquid, right? Um there's that. But, also the fact that
[22:37] they have to It has to be the same people every week because if you bring someone new and they have to learn this boss and you have to like re-prog with on fights where I mean, I've seen guilds who even on the
[22:50] first couple of bosses in a mythic raid, they're taking 30, 40, 50 pulls to kill before they down it. By the time they're getting into these later bosses, >> the first and second boss. Yeah. So, we're we're we're Listen,
[23:02] especially this tier, the difficulty jump between the first three bosses to just the fourth boss, Velgor and Azareth or whatever his [ __ ] name is.
[23:14] Uh very big jump. Then, their jump to Paladins, very big >> Yeah. Then, the the Paladins jump to Cosmos, very big. And then Cosmos to the Cosmos, very big. And then Cosmos to the last two, they're such steep leaps. And
[23:26] it's it's going to be very very difficult >> to complete these raids at a cutting edge level. Like, it's going to be >> Even with the nerfs that they're doing every week.
[23:39] hard. I'm going to be completely real with you right now. [music] Incredibly difficult. Not I It's a challenge that not a lot of says the real boss is always a 10 man. Yeah, the roster boss is Is the real
[23:53] thing. And and that's what I'm saying, most of the time it's it's not it's not it's not even like commitment. Sometimes it's just I'm I'm good. I don't want to do it anymore. Like, I'm I'm okay. Like, they don't care to. And that's fine.
[24:07] you got to understand, if you have a mythic team, you got to have people have a bench ready. You need to have multiple like characters and specs and builds like the because obviously, you can't
[24:21] sit here and play an affliction lock on Paladins. You need a devastation or a be able to flex people in and out. Like, it is what it at the highest level. You know what I mean?
[24:36] Um Yeah, well, it's 20 people that are that are going to not only They have to actually go into mythic, right? Like, you need 20 players good enough. lot. And then they have to actually be willing to play the classes that are
[24:49] good enough to be in there. Uh how about your guilds? Uh guild? Excuse me. Yo, me. What up, Womp? How you doing, baby? Yo, Womp, didn't I are you talking about? >> up. Exonic Someone in there just said
[25:04] Enzo said they just leveled their aug to 90. They're 258 already, but they're working all week and will be mythic raid next week. Enzo, let's go. X Vision 33, uh it was a little bit ago, but I just changed it. Um
[25:18] Baldur's Gate, but Um all jokes aside, ladies and gentlemen, changing this specific raid, obviously, what's happening right now, going from a 20 man mythic raid to a 15 is obviously Blizzard doing what? What are they doing
[25:32] perfect time to do in What's the perfect thing to do in point seven patch? They're testing some some crap out. Exactly. Seeing how it goes. So, being able to test this raid out, going from a 20 mythic range to a 15,
[25:46] and now you can also flex. It's not like capped at 15. You can go 16, 17, 18, 19, whatever, all the way up to 25. It's them testing out, "Hey, we're going to We're going to see if people care and give this thing a go and see how many
[26:00] Why not?" >> Well, also it's And I wouldn't expect to see them make like the next actual tier No. uh you know, a flex mythic raid. Maybe they'll test it again in the next like
[26:12] in the next point five where they add another raid. Um and maybe maybe maybe If it goes well, that they do something like that. And maybe even not that. Probably. The You got to understand, this is a humongous change that changes
[26:27] highest level. [music] >> Yeah. Being able to raid mythic rating not only as low as 15 people, but flex, it's a very very tough thing to do. It's not easy to design and balance. That's that's a huge thing, also. So, a lot
[26:42] going on, a lot at stake here, but a lot of exciting stuff. You guys got to with all the gearing upgrades and the new content and stuff like that. And then the point seven with the brand new raid, flex rating, and other content
[26:55] Warcraft's eating good right now. Well, I was eating good. Night Exonic. Um I hope the point seven is a real boss and not a throwaway like the world No, and and So, like at the end of the day,
[27:07] And maybe it's not I I you know, where like you would put it in say the void spire difficulty wise, like it is a third boss, fourth boss. I don't know. No one knows. If I had to guess, they'd
[27:19] probably keep it to like a third or fourth boss difficulty. They're not Alura fight. >> I wouldn't mind if it's released overtuned. And a little more difficult.
[27:33] that. It's just like you know, I wouldn't mind if it's overtuned a little bit. Make it hard. >> said in that that um Don't even let us test, but they said in that that interview that they want it to be pretty
[27:46] approachable, so like guilds can actually try it. Lord Kazzak, yeah. Imagine like real mechanics on that boss. That would be so cool. Great model to fight as a boss, Lord Kazzak. Yeah. I liked him the first and second time.
[27:58] too, and won. Remember that one. of Warcraft. I should open my eyes. >> [laughter] Anyways, yeah, man, really awesome news. I I got to say. I This is This is such a
[28:13] cool thing even for guilds and even communities in general. I mean, how many of you would love to join at least try to push a mythic flex team? Like, there's so many times where you like "Yeah, we can't bring you capped at 20."
[28:27] That's it. Done. Like, 21? No, can't happen. 22? No. 19? No. 18? No. 15? No. Like, stuck at 20. Like, it's tough. Exactly 20 every single time is like,
[28:39] "Can't have one more?" Yeah. I don't know. That that sucks. And and this is one of my biggest pet peeves with mythic and them doing this is really excited. and see what happens. >> loot that [ __ ] is going to have. Yeah,
[28:51] the item level? Hopefully it has some cool weapons. Yeah. They might be worth dropping my crafted one for, you know? Um another small little discussion topic Um another small little discussion topic I wanted to bring up, uh No! Yeah, it's
[29:04] true. It's true. Weak Auras, ladies and gentlemen, Weak Auras are pretty much gentlemen, Weak Auras are pretty much back right now in World of Warcraft. Um about you guys and how you all feel about Weak Auras, but
[29:17] the whole process and idea and thought behind "Okay, you're going to have this pack. You're going to download it. And it's going to tell you what to do, when to do it, and how to do it immediately.
[29:30] You just look out for the Weak Aura." To me, >> [music] >> A really weird way to play a video game. And I think it defeats the purpose of what a video game is actually [music]
[29:43] meant to be, especially in a rating level. Like, work together with your team, figure stuff out, play the game, badabing badaboom get the boss down. I hate weak auras. I think they ruined the video game,
[29:56] Lance, what are your thoughts? Well, I I agree with you, but I also um Roger Brown was on um the podcast with Max and Dratnos, and he was talking about how literally he hopes next season they
[30:11] nuke add-ons. Yeah. [music] He's like, I want a I want to have a very leveled playing field where it's like I want them to nuke it and go like balls to the wall. Yeah. So,
[30:23] listen, I I Roger Brown is I mean, he's one of the leaders of Echo. He's one of men. Mhm. If he's saying that, I mean, he knows right? Yeah, I would say he does know what he's
[30:36] talking about if you're rating at the top point zero zero one percent level. Um yeah, sounds good. Now, I don't know about you guys, I would love for them to about you guys, I would love for them to nuke add-ons, but you have to
[30:48] part. All their systems need to be in place. Things need to be working. Can't be buggy. The in-game mechanics and add-ons from Blizzard need to work. Right now, they're not, and I'm sorry, I hate to say it, got to point the finger
[31:01] shot the gun too early. Midnight was advertised as this add-on list expansion, and they weren't ready. It is what it is. It's on Blizzard right now. That's the truth. I have By the way, I'm I'm currently in Midnight, have not
[31:14] downloaded any any thing besides Auctioneer Auctioneer. Let me ask you something. Where the [ __ ] do you get off? What do you mean? Oh, I don't download any add-on.
[31:29] I'm just I'm just so I'm sleek. I'm modern. I'm all natural. I'm Yeah, I'm I'm all natty, bro. You're natty. 100%, bro. You've been roided up since high school. I mean, look at your frame.
[31:43] You're built like a [ __ ] Whopper Jr. A Whopper Jr.? >> Damn. That's crazy. No, I'm just trolling. I'm going to wait a whole lap. the whole weak aura and add-on situation? Do you genuinely think they
[31:56] should nuke everything and try to make the game as natural to Blizzard internal sort of design as possible? Yeah, and and for me, a lot of the >> elves. I I don't like downloading a ton of add-ons. This I don't want it to like
[32:11] break immersion of the game. I I got to I want it to feel like I'm playing World I want it to feel like I'm playing World of Warcraft as much as I possibly can. Um that's why even like when I'm in the open world, I don't have like even the
[32:24] health bar above my the enemies. I keep that [ __ ] off. Mhm. So, it feels like I'm in the world. As much as I can. Obviously, if you're in a mythic plus, you I you know, obviously, no [ __ ] >> Um
[32:36] yeah, they shouldn't make the game better without them. And they You're right, they [ __ ] up. They got to get it us to a point where it feels playable. For me, I'm fine. I'm good cuz I never even used that many
[32:50] add-ons anyway. I Um but I [ __ ] up. Uh also, ladies and gentlemen, if you can head on over to the Twitch right now, drop a Twitch Prime for absolutely
[33:06] don't have to donate or anything, but if you do have a free Twitch Prime, you go support the channel, support the love, [music] and uh yeah, maybe I can have dinner tonight. Eventually. Oh. Uh
[33:20] maybe. I might I might not eat though. I don't know. I'm I'm on a weird little thing, but a Twitch Prime would get me to maybe have a calorie or two. Um anyways, moving on now, um I I agree with you, Lance. I I think I think
[33:33] there's a lot of good out of the whole like weak auras thing. Don't get me comes out of it. Like, I like the ability to be able to track trinkets [music] and certain procs and spell effects and passives and talents and
[33:45] effects and passives and talents and things like that. I do. I love it. But, I don't think it's worth the possibility of [ __ ] like this hap- This is cringe. Like, everything like like the the the spell assignments and
[33:58] Bellerin, the color debuffs and everything and like Well, to be fair, a lot of those fights >> They said they designed it for not lot of that [ __ ] >> I don't know. I Listen, I don't know.
[34:12] I don't know. It's hard to say. Who knows? I'm just praying next season it gets nuked and at least settle down just just a little bit, man. [music] thank you so much, buddy. I appreciate the love. Baby baby baby
[34:25] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. For the gifted one sub, the zero. Shout out to you, baby. Oh, zero. Congrats. >> [music] >> Um let's see here. Ooh, check this out.
[34:38] A little cool little collaboration. Did you get to see this? No. baby. Thank you so much. Appreciate the love. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Candy. Thank you,
[34:50] Candy. [music] Guys, throw out some comeback kid icons in the chat. Or if you're big will, throw some clappers out in the chat. So, is my logos not going to work today? I guess none of them are. I can't use any logos on YouTube. So,
[35:02] guys, it's up to you. Um we do have a hype train going on. So, if you guys now, it might be a good time to do do it. Um anyways, moving on. Uh vanquish hatred with a new secret lab Diablo Magnus Protoss. Now, listen,
[35:16] looks really cool. >> like a desk or just a desk or a desk? >> is No, this is it's a whole entire desk, top to bottom. Um really cool. But, I got to say, it's a little weird, too. How expensive is it? I don't know.
[35:29] matters. What? I don't see a price tag. Oh, man. I will say chair with Lilith on it. >> Bro, look at that.
[35:42] >> Got me feeling some type of way. Mommy Lilith. she's candy all right. Oh god. Um the map is a topper, yeah. Uh so, a lot
[35:57] Listen, [music] I don't know if it'd be for me, but this? Oh, demonic marking, man. That's not what I said, bro. Grow up. >> said it's a little much.
[36:11] >> Grow up. You couldn't have gone like the [ __ ] ball and angel route or classes on there. I don't know. It's a little bit It's a little much. It's like 1,500 for the base metal desk. Damn. It's changed my life. Damn, that's
[36:25] crazy. It's probably a huge desk. You said Where's the wild desk for real, by >> know. I don't know, bro. I I I I I don't know. I would have though. I mean, it looks okay, but it's just Yeah, I don't know. How many times
[36:39] could write on it with dry erase marker, absolutely. That's Yo, that would be Yeah, that's expensive. It It's pretty expensive. Um but >> It's $1,500? Yeah, it's [music] [ __ ] nuts. Uh but guys, don't worry. We have
[36:52] an awesome such a good [ __ ] World of Warcraft collab. Thank god. [ __ ] yeah. [ __ ] yeah. God, this is exactly what I
[37:05] [music] keycap set is money in the bank. I'm going to get this immediately. This is an insta-buy. 100 Absolutely not.
[37:18] Get this [ __ ] out of my face. Nobody wants a Sylvanas keycap set. you serious? >> A murloc key keycap set. >> And then every time I click caps lock, it goes
[37:37] market. Wait, now I want that. Actually, Um so, yeah, a little Sylvanas keycap set. But, all jokes aside, something kind of cool. Hold on. A Ragnaros foldable lamp.
[37:53] This is actually kind of cool a little bit. So, you can you can open it up. It It brightens up the room. You know, fire be purged. Like, the down. It has a little Azeroth map on the [music] top. I actually I want that. I
[38:05] actually thought that was kind of [ __ ] cool. Like like no jokes. Um So, I I don't know like what the review is on this bad boy. I don't know if it's
[38:17] Um 10 10 Yo, 10 and 1/2 inches is big. I wouldn't know. Oh [ __ ] Yo, tell me I didn't just cook.
[38:33] >> Because I'm nowhere near it. I know what two looks like. On a good day. Moving on. Uh 10 and 1/2 inches No, all jokes aside, almost a foot [ __ ] lamp, dude.
[38:48] That's got to be like big. That's crazy, bro. That thing's big. I'd buy that one. I wonder how much it is. 10 and 1/2 is no joke. You're fried.
[39:00] is. 10 and 1/2 is no joke. You're fried. Um USB I love how they don't Whoa, what that. Hold on. Wait a second. Wait. Hold on. Wait a second. Wait. >> steins? Yo, those are cooking.
[39:17] Yeah. Would you really? If you have their >> [ __ ] those. Those are mid. Yo, don't These are elite. on? Yo, these are fire. Guys, the question is which one would you get? The
[39:31] Horde or Alliance one? Go, right here in the chat right now. Which one would you get? The Horde or the Alliance cup? Which one's better? The alliance. >> [snorts]
[39:43] >> Is there First merch I've ever wanted, true. Yo, it's an alliance angle for sure for me, bro. I'm sorry. Uh-oh, a lot of hordes in the chat. That [ __ ] looks like a castle, he said. This just looks like a
[40:03] >> [laughter] >> Smells like a troll scrotum. Oh god. >> Smells like a tauren's ass. Anyways, moving on. There was one more thing. The moving on. There was one more thing. The midnight box art can. Wow, look at that.
[40:21] Nothing crazy. Uh but I need that art. That's going to go right here. >> No, not that. Not that picture though. There's better pictures.
[40:33] better picture you can get. Bro, that's literally the like a lot to go through. That's it for the weekly cool down. Guys, no more joking
[40:48] Uh it's time to have some fun. Let's get into the forum freak out, all right? It's time for the forum freak out, where we pull the wildest, saltiest, and most unhinged takes from the wild community. From rage posts to Reddit meltdowns,
[41:01] From rage posts to Reddit meltdowns, nothing here is safe from the freak out. Boom, you guys know what time it is, man. It's time for the forum freak outs. actually >> can't out drink alliance? Alliance has
[41:14] three types of dwarves. The horde only has one and they're freaking rocks. Hold on, guys. I got to redo my intro because >> talking about? can out drink the alliance. Bro, dwarves
[41:27] >> Yeah, dwarves are a thing, bro. I don't know, but taurens are crazy. [music] anyways. Um for forum freak out, where we dive into the craziest forum post on the week.
[41:42] out, see what's going on in the community, and talk about the craziness. ado. Lance, um delves should go up to mythic Lance, um delves should go up to mythic level gear. Uh-oh, ladies and gentlemen,
[41:57] let me let's type in the chat right now. True or false, delves should go up to mythic level gear. Let us hear about it. Uh let's go through it, since we already get the crest. That was it. That was the quickest thing I've ever heard in my
[42:09] >> No. But that doesn't make any sense. Me with a can of gas in my hand. Well, look, I already have the gas, you might >> [laughter] >> Uh a lot of people saying true, true,
[42:25] false, false, why? Maybe with the new labyrinth into that. Um nope, nope, false, true. No, I'm sorry. What are we thinking now? I'm heavily against that. Okay. And that's
[42:39] love it. >> like doing mythic plus. I love delves. Yeah. >> No. Yeah, I could agree. I don't know. Like And by the way, I don't even like this thing now where at at once you get
[42:53] to like nine in your renown track, you could get hero gear randomly in your I don't even like that. I think I think that's even too much. Now, maybe if labyrinths come out and it's like a weekly lockout thing and it could give
[43:06] you some more hero gear or some chances of hero gear, sure. Labyrinth should definitely be nowhere near mythic. Hero should be the cap. Labyrinth shouldn't be near mythic? No, bro. I think so. No, labyrinth
[43:20] they're giving out mythic gear too easily right now. And this is as someone who I'm not I don't even do this [ __ ] but like tens are too easy. Yeah. And it actually invalidates my want to
[43:35] It's like I can't do it at all. >> question for you is, and this is going to be a little bit of a side topic. We know labyrinths are coming out. In case >> [music] >> Labyrinth is going to be, according to
[43:48] Blizzard, um you know, take this with, you know, quote, [music] but supposed to be around a weekly solo, almost like raid-like experience, but for delves. So, it's like like three or four delves combined
[44:03] into one mega delve. And it's supposed to be a ginormous per week. That's supposed to be the general idea. >> specifically quoted Thank you so much for the sub, man.
[44:16] quoted that they they want the vibe of labyrinth labyrinths to be like Blackrock Depths. They That's a quote. Wow, I didn't know that. That's a quote. >> So, so my So, now that you understand what labyrinths are, the question is,
[44:30] what labyrinths are, the question is, what rewards should labyrinths actually what rewards should labyrinths actually give if not mythic gear? Hold on a here. Delves already can give hero gear once
[44:43] per week. [music] Now, at this point, you have a chance to drop hero gear. Why would in the absolute swamp ass would I give a [ __ ] to do a 3-hour delve experience every week if not for the potential chance at getting a mythic
[44:58] piece of gear? Why would I do it? Can anyone tell me? What could it give? Well, first off, we don't know how long it's going to take. That's number one.
[45:10] delves. Yeah, that sounds fair. We, first off, don't know how long it's going to be. And we don't know what type of cosmetics that they're going to get. We don't know. So,
[45:26] that's irrelevant. Right now, we're talking about current delves. There is they should give myth. Myth gear. Current delves should not give mythic >> Unless they they would have to make the difficulty so much harder.
[45:42] to do it anyway. >> Mythic mogs? That's interesting. I mean, that's interesting. Oh, to be able to get the mythic transmog? Yeah. piece, catalyze it, and then put it to six to six. Yeah, I mean, sure, but like
[45:57] just straight just unlock the cosmetic right away. It's an interesting, but I don't know. I'm going to be honest. I don't I don't know what they're going to to get back on the delve discussion right now, but that is something I am
[46:09] idea of the content. But it's like, okay, I like it, but why would I do it? What's going to make me go do it? I don't know. I hope they cook, and I hope awesome. I'm just not sure yet. I don't know what that may be.
[46:24] >> [music] >> probably as soon as the point one patch drops. I think so. They'll probably start dropping cuz it's supposed to be 11.1.5. I thought it was Is it five or six?
[46:37] According to the road map, it was a point 11.1.5. >> And then it By the way, just so you guys know, if the timeline that we're on is correct, we'll have labyrinths by October. Yes. That's exactly
[46:50] >> Um so, you know, we should be hopefully get some news on that within the next then if you got your gilded stashes every week and kill Naleius, you'd have a mythic mythic weapon right now, true. You get the crest to finish out you
[47:03] appearance. We don't need mythic gear from delves. Yes. Mythic solo content, I think you can already get >> Nice. Just do tens, bro. Uh one of the few things that seems to really rile people up, also asking for MT/CM stuff
[47:18] to come back really gets to some people on a fundamental level, okay? No, there is no reason to. Mythic gear is pointless. If you want mythic gear, work toward getting into a mythic rating guild or a high key team. You already
[47:32] get heroic gear and the crest get you six out of six heroic, which is already of that, you get to the [music] mythic transmog color. If you want to challenge yourself and get actual mythic gear, then go do mythic. I mean,
[47:45] agree. You actually don't even need to do high keys to get mythic gear in your which is trivial. Matter of fact, we completed a 10 the other day with wiping what, twice?
[47:59] sure. >> Let me tell you something. In War Within times, >> You're not timing a 10. Bro, you go. Um
[48:12] 15 [music] second knock off the clock is a disaster. This season is so easy. Yeah, and we're going to talk more about that. going to talk more about that. Minute. Um solo content. It says, thank
[48:26] because there have been zero improvements made to the quality of people or the general etiquette people operate under during group play. I mean, that's a people problem. That's not a Blizzard problem. Uh wild players
[48:39] still remain the scum of the earth. GG, enjoy your ever-dwindling tank and healer count. Clearly, this is a healer. Uh their name Blood elf female. Yeah, probably they do a lot of
[48:52] >> You check the box on like what a healer is. Blood elf priest female with a a funny name with heal in it. I'm surprised [music] there isn't a kitty in Um sure. Uh uh
[49:06] He is shoulder shrugs. That's crazy. Uh common denominator problem. All of my group content experiences have been top notch. Yikes. Uh found the cause of toxicity in groups. Thanks for being brave enough to expose yourself.
[49:19] brave enough to expose yourself. Oh [ __ ] That's wild, bro. What if you Oh [ __ ] That's wild, bro. What if you got Rebo's devoted or something like tries to be a little bit better, I'm I'm okay emotionally when people tell me I
[49:32] Yeah, I don't know. I think some people are just really sensitive nowadays to where like if you say anything to them about anything about trying to get better, they freak out. Like I don't know. It's tough.
[49:46] Especially as a healer. Listen, you know the other night when we were raiding, I think on one of the pulls I died and it really wasn't my fault. Someone got me killed, but you looked at me and said I'm a pal.
[49:58] What are you guys saying about healer, bro? Well, You know. What up, Hells? How we doing, babe? Yo, Hells, how come I never play with you, bro? I don't what? Bro, what were you saying?
[50:11] >> gifted are going crazy with all the donations Juan, uh and in the healer, King Q Gene, man. donations and gifted members and stuff like that. I really appreciate it, man.
[50:25] Thank you, guys. Go for it. No, where you were like, "Lance, are you like, bro, you know you can't be dying." Bro. You're like, "Bro, you've got to be Bro. You're like, "Bro, you've got to be better." And it's like, "Yeah, I mean,
[50:38] I should have get my ass out of the way. Like, pay more attention." Who expects you to raid? >> genuine Oh, yeah, the raid, whatever. Cuz I genuinely like if Lance played half as much as me, we would definitely
[50:53] be on the same skill level. Like, for sure, without a doubt in my mind. Problem is the kid plays 1 hour a week. He'll hop into a heroic raid and be like, "Hey, guys, let's prog." And he's rusty. Brother. Like, this kid will like
[51:06] You're making it sound like I'm I'm at the bottom of the DPS meters. >> 20,000 DPS. Great parsing, bro. >> Brother, brother, brother. >> Brother, brother, brother. >> [ __ ] Hold up. I'm top three DPS
[51:18] >> chilling. I'm just chilling. It's you, me, and Azelle. No, Az- Azelle yes, he's he's he's a bad mofo, man. Uh maybe invite the up to share next time. Okay, buddy. I ran the mythic weekly last week and set my groups to relax plus added
[51:32] guildmate and three pick-ups who were super pleasant. Yo, [music] actually, by the way, I have joined a group on my outlaw rogue that was technically like under the relaxed category. Really nice people. Of course. I mean,
[51:47] they were pretty [ __ ] but really, really nice enjoyable people. They talking about things before going into a boss pull. honest. Like, I don't know. I've had a fine time this season. The only time
[52:01] I've had a bad experience is in like a PvP setting where like I did a couple negative >> Oh, hold on. how that was. actually like notorious >> Really toxic. Yeah, for being toxic.
[52:13] >> Like, it is it beyond Like, I'm talking 15 seconds. I swear to God on my life. Matter of fact, I'm sure Max loves them. 15 seconds within the match, this guy is
[52:25] flaming and quitting. Flaming the entire team and quitting because someone like this specific class didn't go mid with him. I'm not even joking. >> Yeah. So, genuinely not a joke. That's crazy, but
[52:37] yourself around. >> were there for two bosses. Go [ __ ] yourself. That's crazy. Um player attitudes. Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Things can be solved by
[52:49] way, every time I run with the guild, never had a problem. Anytime I run with friends, always have problems, actually. >> Oh, [ __ ] Now I have an issue. Um no, I'm [music] just joking. All the guild permissions are still crap since
[53:03] communities were added. The guild finder sucks. The application window Holy, I moly. >> I don't disagree. So much of that stuff have >> That's true. Yeah, no, I do agree.
[53:16] >> the whole guild system and actually the whole Yeah, the whole social system as a whole needs an overhaul. It's absolutely awful. The community system is horrible. >> It's literally useless. It's awful. That needs a complete overhaul, even though
[53:30] are times where I can't even whisper somebody cross server. No, no, no. I can't even invite somebody cross server. No, at all. That all has to be over. horrible. They need to fix that. It's so bad. Yeah. I can't trade with anybody. I
[53:43] can't find them. The server layers thing. It's it's Yeah, it's awful. That continue, though. I think we got our fix out of this one. Um Level 90s are too strong relative to level 80.
[53:57] discussing right now? You want to take this one? I genuinely feel like a pack of five level 80 players should be able to down or at least have a fighting chance against a level 90 in PvP. It's silly that I'm just able to two or three
[54:10] shot players just 10 levels below. Wait, wait, wait. Wait a second. Is he testing this out by fighting level 80s >> in the open world PvP? I guess he is. Okay, continue.
[54:22] players leveling in war mode to group up knowing they could take out a level 90 have scaled leveling in zones anyway anyways, it feels like it wouldn't go be too hard of a crunch to crunch some numbers and close the power gap a bit.
[54:37] >> [music] >> When I go into a new expansion, I don't want to be close in power [music] to where I just was. I want to feel like I powered up.
[54:51] Health increased, damage increased, new abilities, new like I don't want to be anywhere near where I just [ __ ] was. Like, I don't know about you guys. That's where I stand on that. And I
[55:05] think it'd be incredibly goofy if I'm out in the world and I'm getting attacked by a bunch of level 80s and they're just whipping my ass Bro, I'm just trying to farm. >> have some great moments in 2019 classic
[55:17] when we were like level 40 and we were killing level 60s. Yes, but like it's cool. Don't get me wrong, but I just don't think it fits, man. I don't know. When you target them, the skull tells you your future. That's funny. How
[55:30] take in a fight? I bet I could beat up probably a dozen or so before I start to get tired and they get me to the ground. Yo, a a windwalker monk. Do you know what a windwalker monk [music] would do to a group of level 80s? Like, full glad
[55:43] gear? Do you understand? do. Yeah, I wouldn't want to go near that guy. I'll tell you that much.
[55:56] Um Or hear me out, they could focus on leveling up instead. leveling up instead. >> [laughter] up really, really quick.
[56:08] >> do? Guys, who remembers project 30? That I'll Yo, we should do project 30 dual tournaments. No, that's a mid That's a do again and we're going to take it to probably like project 40 or 50.
[56:21] >> what's what's Dragonflight's level? [ __ ] I would run through Dragonflight. We should set it to Or no, we should do it on stream where we randomize the expansion. But obviously take out Uh classic. The
[56:34] didn't ask you, Max. >> Max, I wasn't talking to you, [ __ ] quitter. Shut up. [ __ ] you. No, I'm just kidding. cuz he's like one of my best friends. Everyone settle down. Settle down.
[56:49] >> Just joking. He's my buddy. Um anyways, uh I can only speak for TBC then leveling with a group of friends on PvP PvP Yeah, I will agree. Like, I will say like the old classic sort of based PvP open world scaling was kind of cool,
[57:03] retail setting. I think it's kind of weird. Like, I like new expansion, new vibes, new everything. I I want to I want to have fun. I don't want to like right now. To be completely real with
[57:18] Um let's keep it going. things because of this. Oh, buddy Lance, you want to read this one? Some time ago Will Murai, >> you stop right there. We're starting off
[57:34] very good. This is a great start. I mean, you're a tauren with blue hair, Let's go, Lance. Some time ago I saw a Brazilian artist, like to work on conceptual art for Blizzard at one of the BlizzCons.
[57:48] >> Oh, yeah. Everything he said sounded very good and apparently Blizzard takes art very seriously and in a very professional way. There was one line from his history that really caught my attention and has stayed in my mind till
[58:00] >> Wow. At one point he said that Blizzard's art team cares a lot about character over another to the point of not letting any character, class, or race stand out more than the others.
[58:13] Okay, that stuck with me. This lives in my head every day. Every day, bro? This This is like that. >> lives in your head every day? >> where it's like, "Yo, how often do you think of the like the Roman Empire?"
[58:26] Like, that type of thing. Remember how goofy that [ __ ] This is that same thing. Like, this lives in your head every day, this one quote from a Blizzard artist from years ago. To me, this explains so much. All right, let's
[58:38] Why we don't have certain features in certain classes. Why don't we have stances for some races. Why aren't certain races playable. Why have there been so few updates for undead. Why our male worgens don't have a tail yet.
[58:51] Well, Jesus Christ. Why are ideas that make sense to most players who post here never considered by Blizzard? Because if they let one class or race cause an imbalance in the Okay, let's make one thing very clear. There is a
[59:05] humongous imbalance. You're right. Yeah, night elves only have four faces. >> It's a [ __ ] night elf blood elf world we live in and that's it. It's the two >> elves don't have that many. >> It's the two most played races in the
[59:18] game. I think just night elves and blood elves make up like male and female, it make up about like 20 something percent of all races in the game of people who play. Like, 28, 29%. [music] I thought blood elves were like 25%
[59:31] alone. No, maybe on that faction side. I'm talking about every single >> like player ever in the game. You know what I mean? So like Yeah, no. A lot of people I saw a statistic 0.2% of people play
[59:46] Heronier. Like they just added Heronier. 0.2% Yeah, but to be fair, to do that you have to get through the whole leveling campaign unlock the combine. campaign on and then unlock them and then level them. But like my point is is
[01:00:00] like I I think just bring updates to every single race in the game. Like like all the original races. Like give them drastic updates. >> that's coming either in the last Titan or beyond. I think we're going to get
[01:00:15] massive updates to a lot of things like that. And almost like another graphical update to the game. Like this person says, I think we need ogres, Rykul, Jin'yu, Mok'Nathal Yo, imagine a Jin'yu monk. Yo, a Jin'yu
[01:00:29] monk would go hard. Imagine an ogre warrior with a two-handed mace ready to crack your skull Imagine a Sethrak rogue. Or a Sethrak shaman. Or Sethrak monk. Imagine an ogre monk. Or Rykul monk. Or a Murloc chef.
[01:00:47] Yo. I think we're cooking. No, but all jokes aside, I think the original races, they need drastic updates. Like let's be real. The If you go down the line and you look at the statistics, the most played races in the game by far by a
[01:00:59] wide margin are still the original races of World of Warcraft. So like why not just please the majority and just give them like drastically more updates. Like customization options.
[01:01:12] this expansion. We want to add a race that fits the theme of the expansion or this or that, but sometimes the rule of cool needs to just take over, right? And bro, just
[01:01:25] going to Even if a lot of people don't play it, I think a lot of people will that's a W from Blizzard. >> I'm sorry. Ogre is Warcraft. Like it screams World of Warcraft like [music] to death. So like
[01:01:38] I I don't know. I feel like that and like Just because of armor and all of that. I don't know how that would work on there. Same thing with like centaurs, Kul Tiran,
[01:01:51] put the panda model on them. Who's Mok'Nathal again? I know that. >> That's What is that? That's like what's his name? Rexxar. Oh. The half ogre half ogre orc. We need more classes. A new class brings so much interest and fun to
[01:02:05] I don't think we're going to get a new class anytime soon cuz we >> might. Bro, we just got one in Dragonflight. Well, guess what? Wrath of the Lich King had death knights. Then we went Cataclysm, then we went MoP.
[01:02:18] >> Then we went WoD, then we went Legion and had demon hunters. We've now just gone two expansions. It's time. I know it's actually [music] time. comes out, Dragonflight will be like five or six years old.
[01:02:35] Then maybe it is time for a new class. Then the question is, what class is then? Tinker? [music] Yeah. Ulduar. What more time than then to bring on a a
[01:02:47] >> [music] >> Let's [ __ ] go, boys. >> Should tinkers be exclusive to goblins and gnomes? You could add dwarves to it, too. So you're in favor of tinker.
[01:03:00] >> Tank, healer, DPS. >> would play that. I would actually play a sure. All three role types, tinker confirmed. Lance said it here first. >> Last Titan is coming. >> would play it.
[01:03:16] Because every time they add more races, not enough people play them. Um better races and replace them with new races that people actually want. can't delete a race because you're just going to piss people off.
[01:03:29] >> Yo, the amount of times I've seen a mechagnome, I could probably I'm not even Yeah, with those five pissed. Probably right. Dwarves are the best
[01:03:42] >> [laughter] >> Lance loves dwarves, bro. Um I do kind of agree with that to that. Even worse, vulpera at all had no story spotlight. We just exist. We also have a bug Yeah, I listen, I'm going to be
[01:03:57] Sethrak. Yeah, it should have been Sethrak. It just made no sense to me. I Sethrak were the [ __ ] whole zone story. I don't know. I I I don't know. know. Ladies and gentlemen, that's going to wrap up our forum freakout though. I
[01:04:12] interesting one. Couple good good takes there for discussion. Let me know what you all think about it [music] in the comment section below. Okay, guys, it's ready. It's now time for a very very interesting [music]
[01:04:24] topic discussion. And some would potentially even call debate. All right, welcome to the hot take debate where each week we pull a spicy,
[01:04:37] outrageous World of Warcraft opinion and Lance has to defend it no matter how bad it is. And me, I'll be on the other side tearing it down and calling out the nonsense. At the end of the day, it's up to you, the viewer, to decide. Was it
[01:04:51] actually facts or just pure nonsense? This is hot take debate. minute. I'm going to be completely real. It's been a long time since we done a
[01:05:06] feeling? Chat, how are we feeling about this hot take debate, baby? Woo, we're about to get into it. How we feeling?
[01:05:18] I'll do that max later. Um it's going to be fun. It's going to be a fun one and attention. It's time for a hot take debate. Debate topic of the night is Lance, go ahead and read this one.
[01:05:35] Wow isn't too easy. The community has just optimized the fun Woah. >> out of it. I don't know about all that. a bunch of malarkey to me, chat. Chat, how are we
[01:05:51] feeling right now? First and foremost, is World of Warcraft too easy or did the community, someone like me to be completely honest, just optimize the fun understand, and I hate to say it, I'm a part of that optimization. We make
[01:06:07] guides teaching people how to gear up literally top to bottom. No, it's not There's one man who's optimizing the fun out of this. There's one man in the No, in the WoW community content created creation. And
[01:06:20] I'm calling his ass out. I'm calling him out. Dratnos is ruining it for everyone. What? He's so efficient with his 47 vault openings every Tuesday
[01:06:33] that people now understand how to do it. Okay. It's been him this entire time. Dratnos The one he's the one man. Now, let's get back to the real debate. Actually, big big love for Dratnos. Big
[01:06:47] >> No, no, listen. All jokes aside, World of Warcraft isn't too easy. The it. I do want to go through a couple of these comments really quick before we to cook you. Oh god. It's all in the sleeves. That's [ __ ]
[01:07:01] WoW is not easy. The players just suck at it. That's crazy. Every game gets optimized nowadays. Um even if third-party sites didn't exist, people would pass around best in slot talents in game. Uh the game's
[01:07:13] honestly just fun right now. Priory wasn't too easy, especially once you get Technically, the community is so low-key, it's our fault. Listen. Here's the thing what I actually I I want to say something to Trojan's point. I feel
[01:07:26] like if things were done in game by like communities coming up with hey, this is the build I'm running. This is good. I feel like that would seem at least in my head, that feels more kosher. Okay. That
[01:07:38] feels like better in my heart of hearts than just going to a website, hitting copy, >> Copy paste. hitting paste.
[01:07:51] Not even understanding why I'm picking the talents I'm picking or or for what reason. >> think in general, like I and you know, I love when older gamers that have really like
[01:08:05] like man, gaming so fire. >> Games nowadays suck. Games this. Problem is is I feel like the mindset and [music] mental state of gamers in general has changed drastically. By the
[01:08:19] way, just over the last 10 to 12 years. Drastically changed. Like like even even Twitch environment has changed. Like it Like man, you go on Twitch in like 2015, 16, 17, man, it
[01:08:34] felt so fun to just chill out and vibe with people. Now it's like you got to be an [ __ ] or bad at it. The hammer with a $20 or bad at it. The hammer with a $20 donation. That is insane, buddy. Oh
[01:08:48] my god. Congrats to the comeback kids for hitting 100,000. tonight. Take care. Yo, Jean, shout out to you, buddy. I love you so much. Thank if you're in the chat, let's get some comeback kid icons in the chat, man.
[01:09:01] comeback kid icons in the chat, man. Show some love for a big $20 dono. That is insane, guys. Got to show love for the $20 dono if you guys are in chat. absolute king. I love you, buddy. I hope everything's good. [music]
[01:09:14] appreciate it. Um yeah, well, so here's the thing about what what has [music] happened to gaming, right? Is and a lot of it I will say has to do with sadly, the content creator space and
[01:09:29] sadly, the content creator space and YouTube and and people being able to see how good players are, what they're doing to be good, and what it takes to be that it's all very out in the open. So, like back in 2004 throughout I would say
[01:09:44] maybe even 2012, 13, 14 even. >> [music] >> I wasn't even if I was watching like a PvP clip and I was like, "Oh man, Swifty one-shot that guy. That's sick."
[01:09:58] optimizing the game that way. >> You weren't going to be like, "Yo, I got watch him." >> like like and matter of fact, I just something similar. Like the game wasn't about that. It was just about
[01:10:12] hanging out, enjoying this world, right? >> just games in general. >> Yeah, just games in general because we didn't know Actually, we just didn't no one cared about optimizing or being fast or
[01:10:24] [music] good or great. Now, [ __ ] there's people There's people who treat like even if they're not ever going to be, you know, a professional level, they treat the game like that serious, you know. Like
[01:10:38] Hey, what you know, I I I can't waste time wiping with this prog team. I I Yeah, let me sign up for this team. Oh, they're not as fast as I want. I'm out. I'm going to go pug or or like [ __ ] like that where it's like, "Bro,
[01:10:52] it's not what the game is about." >> for hanging out. And if that's how you wrong with that. Like you want to be efficient, that's great. But the when I have the most fun is when in the words of the panda, slow down.
[01:11:08] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like try to enjoy it. Let's take our time. You don't need You don't need to do all this [ __ ] Now, I definitely do agree with your points and a lot of what you're saying here, but when it pertains to World of
[01:11:23] Warcraft [music] and the current season that we're in right now. Like World of Warcraft Midnight Season 1. Like let's let's dial back in. We're we we step back a little bit. Got a nice little bird's-eye view, right? But now let's
[01:11:36] hone in World of Warcraft Midnight Season 1. Is the game easy or or what is it? Like how how do I say that? Is WoW wasn't too easy, the
[01:11:49] community optimized the fun out of it. Is it is it too easy or is it just over-optimized? Honestly, I I just I hate to say it. I do think it's just genuinely too easy this season. Like we're being real. I
[01:12:01] think the raid was too easy. I don't think it's about an optimization. I think I think Blizzard messed up. I think they went in the direction of, we're going to try to make sure there's as limited amount of add-ons as
[01:12:14] tone it down on the whole mechanics required, everything like that." And I also think myth same thing happened with mythic plus. Like 10s are just way too been. We're talking 5.4 [music] million runs in 1 week, 6 million runs,
[01:12:28] most runs ever. 10s are crushing like it's trivial like but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm totally against your point. I just think for this specific sort of discussion, I I I just think
[01:12:41] you're wrong. I don't think it's a WoW and optimization thing. I just think it's simply this season is a little easy. I think it's too easy, but more like for your sake and your topic and point,
[01:12:54] games aren't really easy anymore or trivial. It's just more like people are just People have changed and they have over ever. Like any video game ever, you go look up any
[01:13:08] new game coming out or any game that has been out, you look up best build for single-player games. >> Yeah. On a game you've never even known. That you've never heard of with a thousand players. Like it will have
[01:13:22] build possible, how to do this, how to do that. Like that's just that's just how it is nowadays. It's a completely different optimization. >> Yeah. People have less time. WoW players
[01:13:35] now. >> ask you this question. Has your mindset somewhat changed now that you've lost time and now that you've sort of become Brother, I have 100% fallen into the optimization trap. Where I try to
[01:13:50] I don't log in on like I have a plan every time I log in. >> Like you know exactly what I'm Let me ask you something. What are the odds right now, okay? There's a World of Warcraft Classic event going on right
[01:14:02] now with like a hardcore, you know, the whole, you know, you pick a race thing even sure really how it works. What are the actual genuine odds that you would try something like that as a dad who has maybe genuinely
[01:14:17] >> anywhere between three to five hours to play a week. Genuinely three, maybe dead lucky. >> If you have that much time, you're probably not playing hardcore.
[01:14:30] definitely wouldn't. Like I'm >> I'm good on that. Right. Hardcore's Listen, and there's nothing wrong. I'm not definitely not a game mode for me.
[01:14:44] Which is fine. Not everything is going to be for me, but yeah, no, I'm not. I'm staying away from that one. I understand. I'm genuinely confused why it matters what number mythic plus is is not easy / accessible.
[01:14:57] >> Well, I'll tell you why right now. Um if mythic plus 10s are too easy, the game is progressed too quickly. So, what does that mean? Well, the participation is going to be very high and people are going to be happy, right? Early on.
[01:15:11] problem of, "Okay, now what do what is >> out of gear to grind and they run out of score to get the the achievements that to chase [music] anymore. WoW was all about the chase. WoW is all especially
[01:15:25] story. [music] Classic is I don't even know what the [ __ ] Classic is. I don't even know. Yeah, in in the leveling, but I meant in the end game. I don't even know, but but in retail, the end game is the content. And if it's too easy, like
[01:15:39] if that pendulum swings too far this way and you get mythic track gear too trivially, it's a problem because then people beat the season too quickly and they're bored. You understand? [music] So, if you have that problem,
[01:15:53] the rest of the season is dead. No one's going to want to play. People are going that's not necessarily a bad thing for players, [music] but for for Blizzard's standpoint and me personally, I like the chase. I only
[01:16:06] have time to play other video games anyway. Maybe once a season I'll play some old-time strategy games just to have some fun with myself personally, I want to play World of Warcraft and chase as long as possible because that's
[01:16:21] what's fun to me. Now, not everyone feels that way. I like grinding mythic plus and it being a real season-long journey. Like know, plus 10s are trivial and I'm doing them
[01:16:35] week one. I think it's a joke and I think it's bad for the health of the game. I think it's >> 10s the first night the season came out. week. It was the first week we did it. >> No, no, no. That Wednesday we got to 10.
[01:16:49] The day after the season week cuz we didn't we recorded instead of doing a plus. >> know. I I I I couldn't tell you. I don't went from a two, we three'd our plus two or three'd that
[01:17:04] and then we're in a 10. >> look at the stream, but point is is like it's it if it's too trivial, the chase is too fast and the season dies too quick. [music] So, you have to find that It's so hard to develop a good season in
[01:17:17] World of Warcraft. Cuz like you have that instant gratification where people right now still are happy. Like player numbers are crazy. Like participation is through the roof. But who's to say it won't be dead in a month and a half, two
[01:17:30] "Okay, I did my 10s. I'm done. Like I don't need this [ __ ] anymore. I don't." don't need this [ __ ] anymore. I don't." Yeah, for me, it's it's not even don't mind it. The only thing that sucks for me
[01:17:44] is that because they're so accessible for me, it makes it so there's no reason for me to do delves or anything really nothing >> Delves have been like because the game is too easy,
[01:17:58] They're not even on the menu for me. I do them once a week for my quest and I'm out. I'm good. I don't even do 11s anymore because I'll I'll get into a little bit of a side point. The new content coming
[01:18:11] instance one? It's ritual sites. The ritual sites, yeah. I'm playing those right now [music] and they're really fun because the mobs aren't just sponges that just never die ever. Yo, Kyle, thanks for the comeback
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[01:18:41] Um But the ritual sites you know, you go in a tier 11 delve, things just take 10 minutes to die. It can be the most trivial mob and it's just it's annoying. It's not even fun.
[01:18:54] It's just annoying. I don't do 11s. Much love, Coozy. I don't do 11s simply because of that. It's annoying. [music] I just stick to eights. I'll farm couple know, it's quick and that's it. But the ritual sites
[01:19:08] is is great because the mobs like they die when you pop cool downs. know, in Legion Remix, the open world heroic tier where some mobs have the deal more damage or the blood or you know, there's different there's
[01:19:22] >> Yeah. >> So, it's more skill and fun rather than just sponge. And that for me, I think is the next
[01:19:35] sort of evolution of delves where they say, "Hey, how do we make it to where it's not like just a one shot banana fest?" [music] Because right now no one's doing delves because the game is so easy and that
[01:19:47] mythic tens are so [music] easy like you said and it's so trivial to do. It's completely unoptimized things like [music] prey and delves. Actually,
[01:19:59] I didn't even do prey last week at all. Why would you? that. >> I I I think [music] they're all cool. No, by the way, the delves are much better this expansion than they were
[01:20:11] last [music] expansion. >> 100%. I love the delve design. They're They're great. They're great. They're great. Yeah, they're they're all a lot and delves are still enjoyable. Yeah, no, they are. Don't get me wrong.
[01:20:25] I I love the delves. Tier 11s are just they're they're just annoying now and and this is coming from somebody who who's done three, four, 500 delves like bountiful delves last expansion. Like I love delves. They're
[01:20:39] great, but like it's just Like I'm sitting there I'm popping every cool down on the book and this mob is not dying. It's annoying. >> classes though.
[01:20:52] I don't know, bro. 11s are like I I finished that I finished an 11 in 5 warlock, I would [ __ ] pound down [music] that place right now. Like but what I I don't need to. I'll just go run a [ __ ] 14 and get 16 myth crest and a
[01:21:07] three or two out of six whatever the item is. Yeah. I'm good. I don't need it. Interesting perspective for sure. I actually sit in the opposite on that and mythic plus at all. Well, I mean There's nothing wrong with
[01:21:21] just you only want to do solo content, then way, you could actually get Yeah, they're better than they've ever been. If you're not completely opposed to
[01:21:33] grouping up, Man, let me tell you. You could gear up. I think my characters my character this season in season one of midnight is higher item level comparatively to my character in all of the war within was
[01:21:47] ever. Yes, 100%. >> I'm almost full hero and almost fully maxed out. [music] I I think I'm 270 or 269 or 270 item >> That's [ __ ] crazy. And what are we? We're not even in the point five. I'm
[01:21:59] going to I'm going to shoot the like hell up to the point five. plus by the way. I think I've done like eight dungeons,
[01:22:12] nine dungeons. You know what's so smart that I did is now [music] at this point and this comes in the optimization route, not the easy [music] on the hot take debate. I I understand how the game works at
[01:22:26] such a high level that I have I have maybe thousands of crests between [music] adventurer, veteran, champion to convert and funnel into hero and and myth crests. So, I don't need to run a single dungeon for like three weeks to
[01:22:43] still be capped. I'm I'm so far ahead on my crest and because I didn't spend any like I told everyone to do, but everyone's calling me a [ __ ] idiot. But I like and this is the point where stuff like that
[01:22:55] matters now after the game is already solidified. You know, you understand what I'm saying? So, like now I reap the benefits the most. Shadow smart, what's good DPS the other night on that warrior, man. Mythic plus you need a
[01:23:08] delves are your pudding. Well, listen, I work 60 hours a week work 60 hours a week and have a two-year-old and a wife and one on the way. And another one on the way.
[01:23:21] another one on the way. And I can definitely log in and and And I can definitely log in and and you know, do 110. know. But either way, it really doesn't take a
[01:23:35] >> Is that true George Leonard? I put Valera on tank and heal her and she wrecks the place at level 50 on tier 11 delves. Is that true? Oh, yeah, if you're if you're a if you put Valera on it. By
[01:23:47] her on DPS. She'll do it much it's much faster. Really? Healer Yeah, healers are so broken with Valera right now. It's insane. Are you serious? >> 100%.
[01:24:02] Yeah, 100%. [music] I'll be blood death knight. When are you doing that? I when I told [music] you I'm say I'm waiting for you to pick a level 80 to
[01:24:16] together. I don't I don't know what [music] that a character. Oh. Okay, then I can just do it by myself. I just want to do the dungeons with you. Okay, no problem.
[01:24:29] Be fire. I only play my monk from now on forever. He's my forever ultimate never >> He's your forever character. My forever main. Do you realize how crazy that Yeah, he's never going to play another character no matter what.
[01:24:42] I'm a monk guy forever. Like this is me as a What if I got you an account with [music] an original anathema on it as well as the next rank? I feel nothing for shadow priest anymore.
[01:24:54] Oh. Oh, nothing. That's a bold [ __ ] >> three priest is horrible. I hate that set. Oh, do you really? Yeah, the best is the hunter one. You really didn't like the tier three? Nope, I hate it. I
[01:25:06] thought it was cool. Nope. My Valera is 47 and she destroys everything as DPS. Holy [ __ ] Maybe I just need to play a DPS Valera mage. Oh. I don't know. You're pretty smart.
[01:25:19] Valera is only 60 and I'm 268 and as a tank she's competitive with my >> What the [ __ ] Yo, maybe I'm stupid. Maybe having her as a healer is the worst move possible.
[01:25:32] Healer DPS combo seems to be broken right now. How interesting. I bet on a paladin it'd be really disgusting because I can heal through damage if I go, you know, crusader build obviously. That can actually be kind of
[01:25:45] I don't know. Um I think this was a good little little debate topic. I think overall the point is is like clear winner, but I think in this specific [music] case of season one
[01:25:59] midnight World of Warcraft, I do think the game is easy, but in the overall the game is easy, but in the overall sensing point of like gaming, not everyone's just over optimizing and sweating and like everything. MMOs are
[01:26:11] not the same as they used to be. FPS games aren't they Go, you go play lobby. You're you're in with kids who are [ __ ] sliding. That got you, fam.
[01:26:23] I'm also I'm also 30 years old now and my my my speed at aiming now I'll get close. >> No, dude, it's you're just your your life is ruined. Like you're like it's not it's just not going to
[01:26:36] like it's not it's just not going to happen and like it's okay. Like I I as a kid I used to go in there and [music] just enjoy games and [ __ ] Like What? I'm Chad.
[01:26:50] if priest gets a dark melee unarmed spec? Um no, Trojan. That would not get me to go back, but if they get a holy DPS caster a dark melee spec? No one would play [music] that. Your favorite your favorite archetype in City Heroes
[01:27:04] You're such a liar. they get literally fist of fury shadow version. No, that's actually kind of fire. All right, guys, we have time for one more quick segment. We're going to take a quick little trip down memory lane. Let's go through it.
[01:27:18] Quick stroll down memory lane where we revisit iconic moments from wow, old YouTube gems, and the legendary clips that shaped the game we all fell in love that shaped the game we all fell in love with now. Let's jump right into it.
[01:27:35] Ladies and gentlemen, it's time, baby. Sit back, grab a beverage. Let's chill out. Let's take a trip down memory lane. Let's go look at some classic old wow machinimas, jokes, music videos, content that we grew up on or grew old on.
[01:27:51] into it. When my wow character what my wow characters are thinking by wow Crendor. Anybody in the chat know this one? Love the VHS on the clip, absolutely. Anybody
[01:28:07] Anybody know this one? If not, let's jump right into it. Memory lane, realize that you don't like playing warlocks. I'm the character that was going to be your main. Remember? And then you abandoned me. You abandoned me
[01:28:22] in Burning Crusade and now now don't leave me. Don't I'm both thrills. I'm the character you stopped leveling at level 16 because you realized that a funny name will only take you so far. I'm the character you
[01:28:35] server, but then you stopped leveling once you realized that either your friends play more than you or not as much as you and then you got kind of back to your old server and that's what I that's what I am.
[01:28:50] Well, you thought an old mage would be fun, but at level two you decided otherwise. I'm your main character you've had for eight years that you log on to relive nostalgia that you race changed from an undead to a
[01:29:02] goblin, which is a painful process, might I [laughter] add. I'm the character you made to spy on someone. I mean bottom left. He's cute.
[01:29:16] bottom left. He's cute. Look at him. played for 2 minutes alt-tab when AFK came back and decided you didn't want to play a monk anymore. I'm the character you made to find out what Moon Guard was
[01:29:29] all about. Uh And you found out all about it. >> [laughter] >> That's me, you ass. I'm a douche for my main death knight you used for a movie to talk about how death knights are
[01:29:43] I'm the character you made 5 and 1/2 right for you. I have not been logged into in 5 years. Possibly 5 and 1/2. Yeah, we're going to kill the Lich King soon. I'm the 14th
[01:30:00] character you have not gotten out of the starting zone. I am the character you stripped of heirloom gear once you decided that you weren't going to level me anymore. And now I stand here True. with only a
[01:30:14] shirt and underwear blending in with my skin. characters where like straight up like back then because
[01:30:28] just >> Yeah, that wasn't a thing. So like half my characters would just be naked. It's actually so funny. Just missing the referral friend account I created for
[01:30:43] the rewards. Yo, true, dude. Me and Lance did that back in the day. Man, I got to tell you guys a story. So me and Lance um you know, we were how old were we? Maybe
[01:30:58] 9, 10, 8 somewhere around there. >> It's you know probably not that old and our parents were were separated at a young age, right? So
[01:31:10] me and Lance were like listen here's what we're going to do. this going because there's a computer at dad's house. But then there's also a computer at mom's house.
[01:31:24] Now listen, when we were younger my dad loved Lance to death, okay? So if Lance ever asked for anything he could get it if he wanted it. He he wouldn't abuse it as much as he could have.
[01:31:38] But he was like he did some work for my dad one day at a young age. He worked like a bunch. He got our dad to get him a PC. And it was a really cheap PC and my dad needed a PC anyway. So me and Lance
[01:31:53] called each other and we're like, yo. Well, actually no, that PC was won cuz so my dad had he owned clothing stores and he lived above the store.
[01:32:07] after the store closed at like 11:00 at night I had already had World of Warcraft downloaded and I was like, dad let me just go sit in the store while it's closed
[01:32:21] let me play on the computer. Yo. And he was like, okay, and go ahead. >> So let me tell you Lance 11:00 at night 7 8 years old Sky 7
[01:32:34] 8 years old up we're playing recruit-a-friend World of Warcraft. Let me tell you something.
[01:32:48] and we were like, [music] oh my god, this breaks the game. this breaks the game. Cuz it actually is [ __ ] insane. 300% is out of control. They should bring that back. For like
[01:33:01] >> like [ __ ] it, who cares? >> so cool. It was so fire and we made a dwarf warrior and a dwarf priest.
[01:33:13] And we leveled up from 1 to 18 and it took us like all night even though it 4 But it was such an epic like journey But it was such an epic like journey experience, bro. Insane. Super fun.
[01:33:27] And it's things like that like that you look back on you're like, damn. >> don't think we did. >> But I remember that night so well. That was the night I fell in love with priest.
[01:33:42] playing because of me. I didn't want to play warrior anymore. That sounds right. I I think I stopped playing warrior like every expansion beyond that. And I think we actually swapped Draenei hunter and Draenei
[01:33:56] paladin. Something like that. Something because I >> Actually no, we went orc shaman and hunter after. What Or was it troll shaman after? No, it was the orc. I remember that very well.
[01:34:12] hunter. >> Because I skipped school and stayed home without anyone knowing. Yeah. And mom caught me in the room playing World of Warcraft at 11:00 in the morning. Probably like what the [ __ ]
[01:34:26] are you doing home right now? And he's like, shut mom, I'm gaming. Yo. Yeah, you're cooked, buddy. I'm going to be honest, if my kid literally just said, nah, I'm good on school today and was just playing WoW,
[01:34:39] I'd be like what what the [ __ ] Dad, I'm taking a >> You couldn't just like ask like what the [ __ ] Like I don't know. stories of like like I I mean obviously your guys' case
[01:34:53] is like a little bit too old. You guys were probably in college or something. But did you guys ever like skip school to play World of Warcraft or play WoW in stories like that? Want to hear it. Let me know.
[01:35:08] those were good days, man. >> Legendary, dude. Those were good days. WoW has been a part of my I don't remember life without WoW. No, World of Warcraft has been in our lives since we were 6, 7, 8 years old.
[01:35:22] >> My earliest memories are are Ali bringing home WoW. Yeah. I think I have some pictures here. >> I'll never forget when he first booted up the game.
[01:35:37] And I instantly was like I need to play this game. On OB. Honestly, I met my wife in WoW. I tell it sometimes. That's so far. Wait, Big Willy, you have to you have to write the
[01:35:50] story and send it in. I would love to read that on the on the channel. Did you guys start playing in vanilla? No, it was TBC. TBC, yeah. [music] Early >> Yeah, like right right in the beginning of TBC
[01:36:03] of TBC like I think Well, like there I remember on our server when people start talking about Warglaives. On the server I was playing on. Like it
[01:36:16] was a big thing in chat. But I wasn't level 70. parents used to lock the computer room when they left, I'd pop the screen off
[01:36:30] incredible. >> Yo, that's [ __ ] [music] nuts. Jesus Christ, anything to get that fix Anything >> death and taxes? I don't. I wasn't uh
[01:36:45] I was a 7-year-old kid. I I wasn't like paying attention to World First then. she bought my first mount. That's amazing. My first WoW memory was reading And fantasy followed me for the rest of my
[01:37:00] amazing. I have a couple photos here to share with you guys. So take a look at this. This is quite uh quite interesting to say the least. That's crazy. Let me see if I could get
[01:37:16] I'll just go to Time for the forum freak out where we pull the wild Sorry. So this was me and Lance playing World of Warcraft. I believe this is the start of seventh grade right here. We were tiny little boys.
[01:37:31] That's obviously me and that is Lance right there. Chad, absolute Chad. Lance always teaching me how to play the game. It's so funny cuz growing up I didn't know anything about WoW ever. Anytime I had a question I'd
[01:37:43] Now it's funny, now he's adult. He literally anything with the game he just asks me a question. But still lore [ __ ] I still ask everything. And then we also have this one. This is when That's when we got our first copy to actually play
[01:37:58] the game. This is my mom. This is my older brother who actually We're Yes, we are brothers. It is true. Uh this is our older brother who you know, introduced us to the game. He
[01:38:11] Lance were hooked on it. That's Lance right there on the left and then that's >> that's Christmas day. Yeah, that's that's a [ __ ] legendary better that cuz you guys got to understand I like First of all, how old
[01:38:28] playing World of Warcraft? Like the first age like day and age, how old Now picture from our perspective, we're like 8 years old. To us it's like
[01:38:43] To us it's like it's a [ __ ] magical like it's a new it's a nuke on our brain. Like it's like, what the [ __ ] There's a whole where people are playing. Like are you crazy?
[01:38:58] No, there was nothing The chair belongs in daycare. How is Oh wait, I remember that day. Wow. So check that out. Nice little chair action right next to the bed, uneven desks.
[01:39:11] 48 now 47. You were 22. >> playing at 54. Yo, that's crazy, Mary. Mary, um when you went to go to the Elvis concert
[01:39:24] the first night, how was that? Cuz you were [ __ ] a little shook up. Well, huh, there's no Mary. Dude, you were probably boot scooting, boogying way back then, dude. Mary's 75. Yeah, she's cooking.
[01:39:39] And she's still She's still out here >> what a legend. That's the dream. >> That's fire, Mary. That's insane. I did incredible legend. Legend, Mary. Wow, that's That's
[01:39:55] actually insane. I would love to hear about that. Um so, that's that one. And then here's the last one I got. This is me and Lance
[01:40:07] chilling out. Up. Man, we must have been This was fourth grade. No, maybe less. >> been in third grade, second grade. >> No, that was fourth grade. That's when I
[01:40:19] >> fourth grade. >> was fourth grade, you're fifth grade. >> grade. This was exactly fourth grade, 100%. 100%. So, that was 10 years old.
[01:40:31] Uh and you can even see if you really zoom in the background, that's my blood elf rogue. Right there. Driving rogue. And he was wearing the uh the red the deafest mask. Best of friends. Oh, yeah, for sure.
[01:40:44] Guys look hella close. Oh, yeah, I mean, me and Lance are best friends forever. You guys got to understand, I'm incredibly lucky that I've had like I don't know about you guys if you have siblings or don't have siblings or
[01:40:58] friends, whatever the case may be. Like I look like Star in this pic. Yeah, it's so funny. I have a very soft face. I have like a baby face, though. I've always had a baby face. But like I'm very lucky that I've had
[01:41:11] always Lance to literally call every day and ask him about something and like Like anything. Anything in my entire life like it's it's like better than a dad. Because it's it's literally he's
[01:41:25] He knows exactly what I'm going through. We have the exact [music] same interest. It's just an exact copy of me, just another opinion on a topic. And most I'm [ __ ] talking about. >> wouldn't say smarter always, but yeah,
[01:41:39] you know. Really uh fun experience. onto my dad's account at night and mess around with his character. Mind you, he character, and I mailed [clears throat] myself over 3 million gold.
[01:41:53] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I'd beat I'd beat my kids' ass. Yo, if Mike my gold First I'd be like, why? Couldn't you just ask? Like, why? Did you guys go hit up the
[01:42:05] >> [music] >> in Ian Knights at comp shops? I don't know what that meant. How old are you guys now? I just turned 27. Lance is turning 28 next month. Bro, you know how often I forget? I for real [music]
[01:42:20] month. I don't know how you forget your age. How does that How is that a thing? >> I don't know. What's wrong with you? If forget. What the [ __ ] I have to say, "Honey, how old am I?"
[01:42:33] I did that last year, too. I told that I told everyone for like 6 months told everyone for like 6 months that I'm 28 already. For like 6 months. I'm going to be completely real. I don't know, dude. I'm I'm get I'm cooked.
[01:42:48] ahead of us. I'm not even kidding, though. All jokes aside, like I do feel my body getting a little bit like stiffer. And this is going to sound so stupid because I'm 27, right? I know. Haha. But like I'll go work out like
[01:43:02] super hard on like back or lower back, and I'll feel it for the next couple days compared to like when I was living with you, I'd go work out every day and I won't feel stiff like at all. It's like I feel my body getting
[01:43:15] tighter. It's [music] so weird, and I'm [ __ ] 27 saying this. Mary's looking at me, and she wants to give me a nice right uppercut and go for the Beatles and give me That's what I'm saying. Don't worry, guys. The older you get,
[01:43:27] something. Now that I have my son Yeah, it's going >> two this week, and it's I cannot believe he's turn I feel like I It's insane. >> Well, cuz you want to know what it is is
[01:43:41] something. You're never sitting around. >> Yeah, I have no time to do anything. even think. >> Yeah. So like bound to happen. But we have a great weekend ahead of us.
[01:43:54] concert tomorrow. That's going to be fun. And let me tell you guys, I don't go out for nobody. But Lance, I promised him because I missed the last concert of I promised him. I'm like, "Listen, Howie's not going. The next one, I'm
[01:44:08] [ __ ] You never kid. the years are short. True. >> That's what it does feel like, man. It really You know, that is insane. >> True, true, true. I got two kids, one
[01:44:20] 6-year-old boy and a 3-year-old girl, and the days go by so fast, it sucks. Yeah. I'm 65, four-time grandfather now, and let me tell you, having young kids is the best time of your life. Damn, that's
[01:44:32] the best time of your life. Damn, that's so You know, I'm cool. I feel very so You know, I'm cool. I feel very blessed to know that as I have young And like I know that this is the best time of my life.
[01:44:45] can't wait till he's like five and I can put him in football and coach him. Guy's going to whoop his ass. We're going to be there. I'm not going to take it easy on him. I'm going to grab him by the face mask.
[01:44:58] Look at me. Don't be an idiot. Don't [ __ ] this up. This is my team. Yeah, I'm going to shove him. That should be good bonding moment. Really kick his ass good. That That should be good. So true. Love them now
[01:45:12] hate Listen, I know that for cuz I now have teenage little sisters >> Yo, yeah, true. who are 15 and 13 now, and they are horrible people. >> you guys right now, I'm actually not even joking. I was so close to my
[01:45:25] sisters from the moment they were in babies. Like we were best friends, me and Lance with both of them. We have two little sisters. Three now. Best friends. Yeah, but different. But these two little sisters, we were so
[01:45:39] tight with them, so loving, so close. Like babysat them constantly, took care of them top to bottom. Like so tight. Yo, now that these little girls have become teenagers Bro.
[01:45:53] like a switch just flipped. They're like [ __ ] >> even know them anymore. >> Yo, straight up. chat that could sort of like explain what's going on here and give me advice
[01:46:05] on what to do because I'm actually I'm genuinely like I'm not even joking. Like I'd like to say I'm a pretty nice guy, and I love like my family like to death.
[01:46:19] But like yo, I've never seen a switch up so fast, bro. >> She said the other a couple of weeks ago, she said something like Someone "Hey, if you had to pick your friends or your family, who owes
[01:46:33] and I don't obviously I'm not going to put the business out there too much. You know, I'll just say that that part. >> little little little sisters acting up a little bit at the house, so I went over there. Try to talk to her. Genuinely
[01:46:45] come [music] down on her. Just talk and see what's going on. Like, "Hey, how are was everything? How was school? How was your friend life? Whatever." saying she was stressed, whatever. And I was just like, "Hey, so So, you know,
[01:47:01] better for you right now for you personally? Would it be, you know, seeing your family more or would it be seeing maybe your friends more?" And friends, 100% 100% friends. It's not even close." I'm like
[01:47:19] cuz I was never I would never have said that. Like for me, it Me and you have been so close Well, with our family in general, didn't really need I don't know, I didn't need that many friends. I still
[01:47:33] >> mechanism for teenage social anxiety? Very normal. Puberty. They come back Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's tough. It just sucks cuz like I don't know. I'm a pretty I would say
[01:47:46] be honest. Not even to sound corny or anything. But like like I take things personally if someone like says certain things to me, I'll be like, "Damn, like why you got to go say shit?" Yeah, that's not cool. Like if if Lance
[01:47:59] like really said some [ __ ] to me, like that [ __ ] would really hurt me. Cuz like getting a little pudgy? See, that's the [ __ ] I'm saying. You know how I feel about that word, bro. It's big boned, bro.
[01:48:11] it, bro. Back on the diet, bro. No, but but all jokes aside, so like like when my little sister say some [ __ ] like really hardcore, I'm like, "Damn, bro. that? Like what's up your ass, bro? Like damn, why
[01:48:26] Like and and like, you know, the thing is is like if someone random says some [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] I don't care. Anyone can call me anything. It will never get underneath my skin.
[01:48:39] But if it's like my family, someone saying something slick, I'm like Damn, saying something slick, I'm like Damn, bro. That shit's and you throw it at their head. It's always time for
[01:48:55] through all four segments. We did the quadruple [ __ ] Triforce fight to call it. >> I really want to do some more of you guys' stories on on the show. We really need you guys to send me in some some of
[01:49:10] love to hear more of them. >> Yeah, cuz guys, I I'll I'll even just a segment all made up and everything. So, we we take your stories. Um if any
[01:49:22] stories, we put them in, you know, this little thing and we read your stories to know, just talk about your early days of World of Warcraft, and you know, how you know, why you love WoW, why it became a you know, more important to your life
[01:49:35] know, most things, but um no, it's good. We we got a we got to keep doing this. And obviously, you know, when we finish heroic rating, we that's that's typically what we do. So, we'll get our, you know, heroic Crown of
[01:49:50] the Cosmos, heroic uh whatever the case may be. And then when the spore raid comes out, we'll probably go back to just casually playing that. Progging that on mythic probably. Yeah, [music] I mean, you know, hopefully. Um
[01:50:02] music for it, too. Yeah. Um but uh want, send that over. And right now we're working on getting that third um for posting some of our, I guess, stream
[01:50:17] highlights on there. Yeah. And just more IRL-based stuff. Uh maybe just like talking, me and Lance talking about the channel. Just some casual stuff. Like a lot more personal like stuff. Like YouTube stuff. Yeah. Um the second
[01:50:30] content, not too, you know, thinking about it too much. Main channel, obviously, like a lot more thought-out guides Yeah. and [ __ ] like that. So, I strong, you know, force and comeback hit plan moving forward. And then obviously,
[01:50:46] heading into BlizzCon as we get closer, start working on a classic channel. And doing the same thing [music] over there with just double the team. Yeah, so if you guys are interested in classic plus content when that comes, you know. Yeah,
[01:50:59] >> Comeback Kids will be there, too. We will be there, and we will uh handle to see you guys as kids and playing Wild love that. Yeah, no, absolutely, Ratmother. Uh Ratmother, I got to say, it's an inspiration to see you in the
[01:51:11] Um but yeah, no, all jokes aside, I love you guys very much. King Skaldir, Big uh you guys very much. King Skaldir, Big uh Big Man, uh Broform, Mouth, Throat, uh Big Wills in the chat, Rickaloy, Swinlarry, Ratmother, Mary,
[01:51:26] uh Graeme, all you guys, dude. Every single one of you guys who are in the and hanging out with us on Saturday nights and Wednesday nights. Thank you guys so much. I We really love doing these shows. Like we think the shows are
[01:51:40] now, it's just a little difficult trying to get a schedule going with and it harder um getting even potentially [music] more shows down the line, but uh you know, we'll figure it out, but um
[01:51:53] the only way to do that, got to finish heroic. all there is to it, guys. Yeah, we're going to That being said, going to do >> to love you and leave you. Yeah, we're uh the goal is this week in raid. Uh
[01:52:07] uh the goal is this week in raid. Uh just try to get up to Alleria again, and then hold the lockout, and see if we can't potentially [music] prog this only reason I WoW logged in Twitch, yo. Oz, thank you so much, buddy. I
[01:52:19] appreciate it. Uh is there anyone on Twitch right now that I can raid? Ah. He's a good chap. Guys, show some love to my chap. Really love this guy. One of my favorite
[01:52:35] time. >> Incredible classic WoW content creator, by the way. Guys, if you're on Twitch, don't leave just yet. At least go throw some comeback kid icons in the chat over there. Show some love, please.
[01:52:48] like us. I I'm not a big streamer, man. I I even though I would like to be, I I I got to make content for three different channels, three different socials, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. Managing a team, it's I'm exhausted. I'm
[01:53:05] Uh anyways, I love you guys very very much, man. God bless every single one of Kids. I will see you in the next one. >> Love you all. Peace out, guys.