so what have been your most successful and effective kind of Link building strategy like at Forbes and some of the other sites they're doing like digital PR and really like you know paying for surveys and really getting to understand the customers and and all that and putting out these really good studies and they're just naturally winning Lings right they're doing Outreach for that and that's always going to be good but that's not always the case for smaller sites the most effective was when I was you know kind of freelancing and doing a little bit and I had you know was able to write blogs for these other posts for these other sites that had really good you know domain Authority and I would put up herrow queries and get you know really good responses back and actually give links to those folks on those other sites and sometimes I would ask an exchange that they would link to my smaller barbecue site