[0:04] You know, it's just so easy to drive. [0:07] You know, a lot of times when you build [0:09] when you drive, not necessarily [0:11] prototypes, but sometimes one or two all [0:14] supercars, it's kind of a kit car feel [0:17] to it. I don't get any of that here. [0:19] None of that. [0:21] >> Well, Jay's got the hang of it now. You [0:23] know, I don't know why I assumed the red [0:26] line was like uh you know 6500 or 700. [0:30] It's 11,000. [0:32] All right, that that's a sale right [0:34] there. Love you. Thank you. [0:37] One minute of Jay Lel's Garage. The cars [0:40] we're featuring today, two amazing [0:43] Americanbuilt supercars. They're amazing [0:45] for a a really unique reason, and I will [0:47] tell you that in in just a second what [0:50] that is. It's called the Zinger. This is [0:51] a company I've been following for a long [0:53] time. We were kind of there at the [0:55] ground floor when they started. This is [0:57] big-time manufacturing. It's really [1:00] sophisticated. It's literally a 3D [1:02] printed car. [1:03] >> Correct. The entire vehicle is designed [1:06] here. And that entire powertrain between [1:08] the electric motors and the V8 are [1:12] printed and integrated into the [1:13] structure using a digital system. [1:16] >> And every promise they made has been [1:19] kept. And it's truly an amazing [1:21] automobile. These are for sale. You can [1:24] buy them in California or any state in [1:26] the United States. That's to me is what [1:28] makes it amazing. But we'll find out [1:30] more. Let's meet the founder and CEO, [1:32] Lucas Zinger. Lucas, come on in, my [1:34] friend. [1:35] >> Good to see you, J. [1:35] >> Oh boy, this is just an amazing [1:38] accomplishment. And and the thing that [1:40] makes it amazing to me is every supercar [1:42] that comes here, well, we're waiting for [1:45] certification. It'll be legal in [1:46] California in six week and they never it [1:49] never comes. It's a tough standard to [1:51] meet. I mean the most exotic most exotic [1:55] Europeans who can't meet at all, they [1:57] don't even try. [1:58] >> And you built this car and you built [2:00] your own engine, which to me is is the [2:02] heart of, you know, when I see a a major [2:05] automobile manufacturer and they're [2:07] using somebody else's motor, why don't I [2:09] just buy one of those cars? To me, the [2:11] motor is the heart. It's the soul of the [2:13] automobile. and you design built your [2:15] whole engine and it meets carb all [2:18] testing all emissions that's truly an [2:21] amazing feat. So I can you know it's fun [2:24] to design it and make it go fast and put [2:26] a manual gear and all those kind of [2:28] things but the fact that you can [2:29] actually do the business part of it get [2:31] it to meet every [2:33] >> goofball some good some bad rule [2:37] it's it's just amazing. So I pat you on [2:39] the back for that. It's yeah it's really [2:41] impressive. when you buy this, you have [2:43] no problems with the DMV. [2:45] >> Well, wait a minute. There's only 15 [2:46] numbers in the uh in the in the [2:48] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we set out to build an [2:51] American OEM, right? [2:52] >> And the secret is if you're building an [2:54] OEM, you have to go through the full [2:56] regulatory side. And that is actually [2:58] the hardest part, right? It's actually [3:00] much easier to design and build a fast [3:02] car than is to certify it for road use, [3:05] both in terms of emissions and safety. [3:08] So we did over 40 crash tests with this [3:10] car, went through California carbon [3:12] emissions, and we're globally [3:13] homologated. So you can sell this in [3:15] Europe, you can sell this in the Middle [3:16] East, you can sell this in Asia as well. [3:19] And that development means that you [3:21] actually have the engineering capability [3:23] to create a car that is now inside an [3:28] American area. [3:29] >> I would guess contentwise, this is [3:31] probably the most American car built in [3:34] this country. Isn't it fair to say? [3:35] Pretty close, [3:36] >> I would say. So I would say so [3:38] >> because you do everything right right [3:39] down the street here in Torrance, [3:41] California. [3:41] >> We're based in Torrance. We engineer the [3:43] car. We manufacture the car. So it's [3:46] both engineered and built here in [3:48] California. [3:49] >> Now we have two cars. Both of these are [3:51] are legal. This is the downforce model, [3:54] which I guess we would call the track [3:56] model if you were. And this is the road [3:58] version. Basically same engine, same [4:00] performance, pretty close. [4:02] >> Yes. Same architecture underneath in [4:04] terms of strong hybrid three electric [4:06] motors, big V8 in the back in terms of [4:09] output but small in terms of size. So [4:11] very power dense V8 and they share that [4:14] platform but uniquely different in the [4:16] body in the aerodynamic performance. So [4:19] V-Max will do over 250 mph, [4:22] >> right? [4:22] >> 21C high downforce, we're limited to [4:25] about 220 with the big wing, the front [4:27] splitter, but we'll set every track [4:29] record in California while being road [4:31] leak. Yeah, but you can go around [4:32] corners a little bit better. [4:33] >> Yeah, exactly. [4:33] >> Yeah. And if you're doing 220 in [4:35] California, you're going to jail. So, I [4:37] I got to go with this model here. [4:40] >> Here's the amazing part. Why don't we [4:41] start with the frame? [4:43] >> Yes. [4:44] >> You know, it it's so funny. It looks to [4:45] me as if somebody just poured liquid [4:48] metal. And [4:50] >> this is all 3D printed. Correct. [4:53] >> Yeah. Well, this is what a loaded word [4:56] but perfect part looks like. So this is [4:58] a design where you're looking [5:00] holistically at the requirements for the [5:02] car and engineering to that specific [5:06] load case to that specific set of [5:08] requirements and then having a [5:09] manufacturing process where you can [5:11] actually put material just where you [5:13] need it right [5:14] >> and you don't need to put any other [5:16] material because the manufacturing [5:17] process allows for that geometry to be [5:20] created. So we take requirements in we [5:23] engineer to the prao optimal structure [5:26] so the most efficient structure it can [5:28] possibly be and then we additively [5:30] manufacture using powder bed fusion. [5:33] This is laser melting of powdered [5:35] aluminums and steels and titaniums. It's [5:37] the most advanced way to make a metal [5:39] part in the world. Then we robotically [5:41] assemble it to a very close tolerance. [5:43] >> Now is this a powder coat or is this the [5:45] natural metal finish? [5:46] >> That's the natural metal finish. [5:48] >> Okay. So it doesn't need painting or [5:49] rust proofing or any [5:50] >> No. So we have a very low silicon [5:52] content in our material. So we actually [5:55] do incredibly well with corrosion. This [5:57] is a material that can see almost marine [5:59] environments. [6:00] >> This is a patented material. [6:01] >> Yes, this is an aluminum based alloy. So [6:03] about 90% aluminum, 10% other elements, [6:06] but no rare earth materials in there. [6:08] >> And it has both the elongation, right? [6:11] Our crash bumper itself is printed, [6:13] right, [6:13] >> to take energy and absorb it, but then [6:16] also it has the necessary stiffness and [6:18] durability to take the high cornering [6:20] forces, the pothole cases, etc. So, it [6:24] has both the material properties [6:26] required. [6:26] >> Well, here's the thing I find [6:27] fascinating here. [6:30] You can disassemble it. You know, a lot [6:32] of times I'll see people that make a [6:34] chassis [6:35] >> and it gets bent in an accident or [6:37] damage and that's it. Sorry, you need a [6:39] new chassis. Mhm. [6:41] >> You know, the car is total. Basically, [6:43] this this obviously unbolts [6:45] >> so you can get the Well, let's forget [6:47] the motor in and out. [6:49] >> Yeah. So, you think about a product, not [6:50] just a technology, right? We're making [6:53] something that we want our customers to [6:55] enjoy that we need our dealers to be [6:57] able to service and therefore access is [7:00] designed in, but designed in upfront. [7:02] So, the software and the engineering [7:03] team is looking where do I create those [7:05] split lines for service, but where can I [7:07] also split the part in a low load area. [7:10] So I'm not adding mass to that plane. So [7:12] engine service, the rear frame on the [7:14] bottom drops out as well. And then we [7:16] have a very nice connection to the [7:18] carbon fiber monco as well. [7:20] >> This hole just unbolts it. Yeah, this is [7:22] great. And I can see where you put extra [7:25] >> Mhm. [7:25] >> extra metal here, for lack of a better [7:28] word. Yes. [7:28] >> Uh just to add a bit more structural [7:31] rigidity. Yeah, that's really [7:33] >> these points right here, they actually [7:35] hook straight into the rear wing on the [7:37] 21C high downforce. And these will take [7:40] about 5,500 pounds of downforce at 200 [7:43] miles per hour. [7:44] >> Boy, that's pretty amazing. Yeah. The [7:46] suspension, of course. Very nice. [7:48] >> Yes. Inboard push rod suspension, double [7:50] A arm there. All additively [7:53] manufactured. [7:53] >> Now you do your own rotors. [7:55] >> So we are not doing our own rotors, but [7:58] our own calipers. So when you look at [8:00] the wheel carrier plus the caliper on [8:03] this chassis, this is something we call [8:05] the brake note. [8:06] >> And it's far lighter. It's higher [8:08] performing and it's going to be on the [8:10] future Zinger vehicles. So, it's not on [8:12] either of these yet, right? [8:13] >> But coming in the future, you will [8:16] actually see Zinger have its own brake [8:17] system on these cars. [8:19] >> So, when I order one, it'll have those. [8:22] >> Yes, sir. [8:22] >> Okay. [8:24] Well, I you know, I'm I'm I'm just so [8:26] impressed with this. It really is. And [8:28] it's fun that it's Americanmade and I [8:31] don't have to learn a foreign language [8:32] to talk to the engineer and it's great. [8:34] And we're talking dual clutch gearbox, [8:37] >> single clutch, [8:38] >> single clutch, [8:39] >> but with the EV system, you're [8:41] essentially torque filling on the shift [8:44] and you've got a twin barrel on that [8:46] sevenspeed AMT. So when you're driving, [8:49] and we'll drive later, you'll see it [8:50] doesn't feel like a single clutch. It [8:52] feels closer to a DCT, but with the [8:54] weight saving of a single. [8:57] >> Now, the EV does not spin the wheels, [9:00] right? [9:00] >> It spins the front wheels. [9:02] >> Oh, it spins the front wheel. Okay. [9:03] Okay. So, we do 500 horsepower out of [9:07] the front axle, and it's an independent [9:10] electric drive for each front wheel. And [9:13] then we do another 750 horsepower out of [9:16] the V8. So, [9:17] >> how does how do you drive the [9:19] >> Yeah. So, in here is where our EV motor [9:23] will sit. And you'll essentially see, [9:25] you know, this is just the chassis, but [9:27] you'll see a push rod come out of [9:29] >> into the EV motor. I see. Okay. [9:31] >> Yeah. So, we're not seeing all the bits, [9:33] >> right? That's confusing. Okay. Is it [9:36] all-wheel drive all the time? [9:38] >> So, yes, you have four drive modes. You [9:41] can actually go in EV only and you can [9:43] be frontwheel drive. When you come into [9:45] sport mode or track mode, then you have [9:47] power on all four corners. V8 driving [9:50] the back wheels and the EV motors [9:53] driving the front wheels [9:54] >> and a seven-speed gearbox. [9:55] >> And a seven-speed uh automated and [9:58] manual transmission gearbox. and [10:00] actually a really significant gearbox in [10:02] that it was a casing designed by us, [10:04] additively manufactured by us and then [10:07] the gears and the actuation was done in [10:09] partnership with X-Track and it's the [10:11] first electro hydraulic actuated gearbox [10:14] in the market and it's the first that [10:16] has this twin barrel design where your [10:18] shift times are very very fast. [10:20] >> Very impress Yeah. It's just a beautiful [10:22] looking It doesn't look like any chassis [10:24] of anything I've ever seen before. And [10:26] that's that's the divergent part, right? [10:28] That's the [10:29] >> Yes. So, Divergent supplies this chassis [10:32] to Zinger, but Zinger really helped [10:34] pioneer that technology, [10:35] >> right? Right. Cuz I remember seeing this [10:38] and it was built in a factory not much [10:40] bigger than this room. [10:42] >> Yes. Yes. [10:43] >> And I was like, well, how how is that [10:44] possible? [10:45] >> So, we've built out what we call area 21 [10:48] now, which is where we build the 21C, [10:51] and you'll have to come see it. It's [10:52] about 70,000 square feet now, so it's [10:55] grown a bit. That's where we do the full [10:57] general assembly of the vehicle and [10:59] we've delivered over 20 cars out of that [11:01] facility now. [11:02] >> Oh, that's great. And again, I hear no [11:05] problems. I hear no, I got a zinger and [11:07] the wheel fell off and they won't, you [11:10] know, I mean, cuz you know, just by the [11:13] nature of having this TV show, being a [11:15] car guy, I hear everybody's complaint, [11:17] you know, and and a lot of problems. [11:20] Some you believe, some you go, how's [11:21] that even possible? But I've never heard [11:23] that. I' I I've met owners at car shows. [11:26] How do you like it? Great. Any problems? [11:27] No. [11:29] >> Okay. [11:30] >> We intend to keep it that way. And that [11:32] comes from a focus of both motorsport [11:34] but OEM engineering and then a lot of [11:36] aerospace engineering. And if you're in [11:38] the space industry or the defense [11:39] industry, you know, failure is not an [11:41] option, right? And that bled into our [11:43] culture as well. [11:44] >> And it must be frustrating to you to [11:46] hear from skeptics all the time because [11:49] because you can't blame people being [11:51] skeptic. I mean, I grew up in the era [11:52] when, oh, Jaguar come out with a V12, [11:55] Jaguar 220, but now it's got a V6. I got [11:58] no the Vector. Oh, it's got to be the [12:00] most powerful. What vector? But, you [12:02] know, I mean, [12:03] >> a lot of hopes and dreams die when it's [12:05] time to do the work. [12:06] >> Yeah. I mean, that's the truth. It's a [12:08] business has a lot of dreamers and a lot [12:10] of engineers. And when you have more [12:11] dreamers than engineers, that's where [12:13] that's that's where the [12:14] >> product suffer very quickly from there. [12:16] >> Okay, let's get back to uh the motor. [12:18] Now you build your own engine cuz motor [12:21] means electric, doesn't it? So, so let's [12:23] say engine. How many cubic inch? How [12:25] many liter? [12:25] >> We're 2.88 L. So we're under three [12:28] liter. [12:28] >> Yeah. That's nothing, is it? [12:29] >> Yeah. It's incredibly small. And the [12:31] reason for that is the unique layout. We [12:34] went for this inline seating, driver, [12:36] passenger, inline. And we want to be in [12:39] front of the rear axle because we still [12:41] want to be a mid-enine car, right? [12:43] >> And that means where the engine can sit [12:45] in this package is incredibly narrow. [12:47] So, you're looking at about three lers [12:49] of space, and we designed the 2.88 L to [12:52] deliver, but you need a lot of power, [12:53] right? This was a car that was all about [12:55] road driving, but we also wanted to be [12:57] able to set these track records. So, we [12:59] knew we'd have to get at least 700 [13:01] horsepower out of that V8. We've gotten [13:03] 750 in our base car and 850 on our [13:06] Blackbird edition. [13:07] >> So, it's 2.8 L, [13:09] >> four valve, 4 cam. [13:11] >> Four valve, 4 cam. Correct. [13:12] >> Okay. Designed inhouse. [13:14] >> Designed inhouse from scratch. and all [13:16] the way through California carbon [13:17] embissions. [13:18] >> I don't even know how that's possible. [13:20] It's just amazing to me how frustrating [13:22] it must be to build something and then [13:24] it doesn't pass and then you got to go [13:25] do it again. Just the massinations you [13:28] go through. Just crazy. [13:29] >> Iteration and resilience. Yeah. And [13:31] really people, right? The team is what [13:33] what brings this to life at the end of [13:35] the day. [13:35] >> To me, that's the heart, like I said, of [13:37] an automobile. You know, TVR, I I kind [13:41] of had a thing going with them for a [13:43] while because they built their own [13:45] motor. the speed six and turned it [13:46] sidewards and and good for you. You [13:48] built your own motor. You're not just [13:50] putting a boutique car, Brembo brakes, [13:53] somebody's motor, somebody else's. You [13:55] know, it's it's great that you build it [13:56] from scratch. Let's get back to the car. [13:58] This high downforce model intrigues me [14:00] here because [14:02] >> obviously this is for somebody who's [14:03] going to be going to the track on a [14:05] regular basis. [14:06] >> Yes. [14:06] >> Yeah. If you're if you're running 250 on [14:09] the street, [14:11] >> you're not going to be out there very [14:12] long. This green carbon fiber is just [14:14] unbelievable. [14:15] >> We call that rattlesnake green. [14:17] >> Rattlesnake green. [14:18] >> Yep. It's got a California heritage to [14:20] it. But we actually broke the Goodwood [14:22] hill climb record in this spec for the [14:24] first time. Really? [14:25] >> So this green color became quite famous [14:28] after that hill run. And now we've got a [14:30] lot of customers that are looking for [14:31] the same exact on their car. [14:33] >> Yeah. I've done that Goodwood hill [14:35] climb. [14:36] >> And you go fast but not that fast. So [14:38] downforce doesn't really play a role, [14:40] does it? say with the amount that we [14:41] have on this car, anything over about 60 [14:44] mph, you are going to start seeing the [14:46] impact. So that first turn even, we're [14:48] seeing some impact um from the downforce [14:50] kit here. Even when we drive later, I [14:52] think you'll feel the difference of [14:54] having the rear wing and the front [14:55] splitter on this car versus the V-Max. [14:57] >> And how much downforce is that? [14:58] >> So we're doing over 3:1 lift to drag. [15:02] And on the rear wing, we get about 5,500 [15:06] lb of downforce at 200 mph. So, it's an [15:09] incredible amount that's loaded on the [15:11] rear of the vehicle, but the whole a [15:14] surface of the car and the ground [15:15] effects are designed for this arrow [15:17] package. Now, this rear wing fastened to [15:20] the chassis. [15:20] >> Yes. So, there's pins that hard mount [15:23] into the back of that addively [15:24] manufactured structure and it's a direct [15:26] hard connection. [15:27] >> Yeah. Cuz I I sometimes see cars and if [15:30] this is mounted to the rear body [15:31] structure, I go, "Well, well, f is that [15:33] going to first?" You know, they're never [15:35] going to get fast enough to. And it's [15:37] it's going to break. [15:38] >> Yeah. [15:38] >> Yeah. So, this is like the GTD Mustang. [15:41] It's It's [15:43] >> firm. Yeah. [15:44] >> It's very firm. And talking about fixed [15:46] arrow and functional arrow, I'm going to [15:48] invite you, Jay, to test that front [15:50] splitter. [15:51] >> Stand on the splitter. [15:52] >> Stand on it, sir. [15:53] >> See, if this is one of those karate kid [15:55] movies, I'd be the bully and you' be the [15:57] karate kid. And hey, [15:59] >> and I would go, "Hey, wait a minute. [16:01] What?" [16:01] >> And I'm going to join you on there. Boy, [16:04] that's pretty amazing. [16:05] >> So, that is full function, right? Form [16:08] follows function. [16:09] >> And that's how you can take thousands of [16:11] pounds of downforce. [16:12] >> Wow. That's Yeah. Yeah. That's That's [16:15] pretty amazing. That's Wow. All right. [16:18] >> I can't get over this green. It really [16:19] rattlesnake green, huh? [16:21] >> Yeah. So, the full body is carbon. Every [16:23] single panel. So, even the painted cars, [16:25] they're full carbon underneath. And we [16:27] use the carbon for the aeros surface, [16:29] right? The structural load is going into [16:31] the chassis, right? through the wing, [16:32] through the splitter, and this is really [16:34] just giving you your profile. All your [16:36] crash is really coming through that [16:38] additively manufactured structure as [16:40] well. [16:40] >> I have another question about California [16:42] carb. If you have this thing, how many [16:44] miles do you have to run the engine? How [16:46] many miles you have to do? Do you have [16:47] to run like 50,000 mile? I mean, what do [16:50] you have to do? [16:51] >> For California carb emissions, you [16:53] mostly need to show in all drive modes [16:56] that you're within the emission [16:58] standard. So, actually the hardest part [17:00] is not the distance part. Yes, there's a [17:01] durability for thousands of miles, [17:03] right? But there's also the initial [17:05] startup of the vehicle. The startup is [17:07] actually [17:08] >> one of the most tricky corner cases of [17:10] emissions. So, when you first turn the [17:12] car in on after it's been sitting, what [17:14] is the immediate emissions profile? And [17:17] there we've gone to actually a heated [17:19] catalyst system. So, our EV drive will [17:22] start up first. We'll heat the cat and [17:24] then we'll start our V8. [17:26] >> And all of that together then gets us [17:28] through the emissions profile. And how [17:30] long does that heat take it? Just a few [17:31] seconds. [17:32] >> Just a few seconds. [17:33] >> Oh, that's Boy, that's pretty cuz I'm [17:35] thinking you're sitting there for 5 [17:36] minutes, you know. [17:36] >> No. No. And of course, you can drive [17:39] immediately cuz you've got 500 [17:41] horsepower on the front wheels. [17:42] >> Right. Right. That's the stuff I always [17:44] find fascinating. It's all the just [17:47] those little details that kill every [17:49] supercar. [17:50] >> And then they have another one. They [17:51] call it the shed test. It's like a [17:53] torture for your car. They take the car [17:54] after it's run for a long time, they put [17:56] it in an emissions shed and they leave [17:58] it there at high temperatures for three [18:00] days or so while they're reading the [18:02] emission profile off the car and they're [18:04] reading even, you know, your rubber [18:06] seals, anything that could be [18:08] evaporating into the air. And it's an [18:10] incredibly low bar that they've set, [18:14] right? So any sort of emissions that [18:16] come off of the car will have you fail [18:18] that shed test. [18:19] >> Yeah. I remember reading that a 1977 [18:21] Ford LTD parked on the street with the [18:23] engine shut off puts out more emissions [18:26] than whatever the new vehicle just [18:28] things like that. People don't even [18:30] realize [18:31] >> how hard it [18:32] >> Yeah. Yeah. [18:33] >> It's gotten incredibly efficient and the [18:34] regulations are incredibly strong. [18:36] >> Yeah. You know, that's what I loved [18:38] about the Japanese back during the 70s [18:41] when you know all the American company. [18:43] Oh, we got lobbyists. We can't afford to [18:45] meet these emission. And the Japanese [18:47] just said tell us what the standard is. [18:48] went to Japan, came back with that what [18:50] was that CVCC engine they had [18:53] >> and and passed all the tests. Just tell [18:55] us what what does it need to do? [18:56] >> Tremendous engineers. [18:58] >> Yeah. Just wonderful. Well, the same [18:59] thing here and the fact that it's [19:01] >> it's done first as opposed to Yes, we [19:04] will be doing that in the future as soon [19:06] as you you've done all that and you [19:08] bring the finished product here ready to [19:10] go. No questions asked. You can buy it [19:12] right now. You can drive away. You know, [19:14] it's it's fantastic. [19:15] >> It's all about accountability, right? [19:17] Especially as you said, there's a lot of [19:19] dreamers out there. There's very few [19:20] that have made it to this point and we [19:22] really wanted to make sure the [19:23] production car was a full fulfillment of [19:26] that promise because we already have the [19:28] odds against us. We need the car to [19:30] demonstrate exactly what it can be. [19:33] >> Yeah. And I don't mean to imply that [19:34] people are crooks or they're trying to [19:36] pull us in. It's just that [19:38] >> they just didn't take the engineering to [19:40] that [19:41] >> ninth tenth degree whatever it might be [19:44] and it has to be done. Tell me about [19:45] these wheels. Are these aluminum, carbon [19:48] fiber, [19:48] >> magnesium? [19:49] >> These are aluminum spoke and carbon [19:52] fiber barrel. So, they're actually a [19:53] two-piece wheel. And this is a 20-in [19:56] wheel in the front on about 9 and 1/2 in [19:59] of rubber. And then we run a 21 in in [20:02] the rear on about 12 1/2 in of rubber. [20:05] >> Okay. Same on the [20:07] >> same spec on the V-Max. [20:08] >> Okay. Now, that has what like it looks [20:10] like arrow wheel disc or something. [20:13] >> Yes. So that is the high speed in terms [20:14] of top speed car. So you'll do over 250 [20:17] in the V-Max. Okay? [20:18] >> You'll do about 220 in the high [20:20] downforce car, but of course your [20:22] cornering capability is much improved. [20:25] >> Now something I've been told like those [20:27] wheels probably cool the brakes better [20:30] than the open wheel, don't they? [20:31] >> It all depends on also where the air [20:33] flow is going from inside of the wheel, [20:36] right? How are you channeling that in [20:38] and out? And yes, we look at all that [20:40] CFD work and make sure that each of [20:42] these wheel packages gets as much [20:44] cooling air without chopping up the air [20:46] for the rear tire. [20:47] >> Well, it's very very impressive. Well, [20:50] let's uh let's open them up and take a [20:52] look at the interior. OB it's front to [20:54] back seating. I just can't wait for guys [20:56] to take their wires out. How you doing [20:58] back there, honey? You all right? You [21:00] know, it makes me laugh. But, you know, [21:01] sitting in the center, [21:03] >> yeah, [21:03] >> just from years of driving my F1, your [21:05] Apillars are back here. So you have an [21:07] unobstructed view of the road and it [21:10] really is a perfect because you're right [21:11] in the center. You know, you know, so [21:14] many cars now driving the Viper or [21:15] something like I got one wheel on the [21:17] yellow line. Where am I? You know, [21:18] >> it's a driver focused experience and the [21:20] passenger is there as co-pilot like in a [21:22] fighter jet. So you actually have a [21:24] really fun route experience. Yeah, [21:26] >> you do as a driver. [21:28] >> Yeah. Well, it's great. [21:30] >> Well, both of these are road cars. [21:32] Obviously, it's street legal in every [21:34] respect. I would probably go with the [21:37] non downforce only because I I know I'm [21:41] standing on the splitter, but believe [21:43] me, I would figure out a way to break [21:45] it. You know, you're just you're trying [21:46] to part what what So, I I would probably [21:49] go with this. What? Let's start this [21:51] this one first if we could. [21:53] >> You know what I would do when [21:55] >> I would order mine with those wheels. I [21:58] would get I would get this with the [22:00] regular sort of low splitter for lack of [22:03] a better word. Uh, and it it just looks [22:06] more efficient to me. I mean, the wing [22:08] is great, but it just attracts police [22:11] and other interesting people. [22:13] >> There's an elegance to this car. Have a [22:15] little bit of luggage compartment in the [22:16] back there as well. So, there's a little [22:18] bit more practical. [22:19] >> So, you can take a trip, honey. It's [22:20] practical. [22:27] >> Well, let's open up. The door is right [22:28] here right? [22:29] >> Yes. You can come in either side. So, [22:31] I'll join you in that. [22:33] >> Okay. [22:36] Oh, wow. There we are. [22:39] And much like the F1, sit down, swing [22:41] your legs around. [22:42] >> Sit down, use the sill as a bench. [22:44] >> Okay. [22:45] >> Then swing your legs in. [22:46] >> This is great for old guys. [22:50] >> Oh, actually, yeah, it's quite actually [22:51] not bad at all. [22:52] >> Yeah, with the two-step, you don't have [22:54] to get in any sort of funky position. [22:57] Yeah. And now you're well situated. [23:00] >> There you are. And you've got seat [23:03] controls on the lower left there. [23:05] >> Right here. [23:06] >> Yeah, right there. Up there if you'd [23:08] like to move it around. [23:10] >> No, that's all right. Actually, it feels [23:11] pretty good. [23:12] >> Wheels got manual adjustment. [23:14] >> And you have an unobstructed view of the [23:15] dash. That's good. [23:17] >> I'll close you in here once. Yeah. Just [23:19] pull down on that hard and she'll come [23:22] down. [23:23] If you press the brake and hit engine [23:25] start on the top right there, [23:28] hard press on the brake. [23:32] Engine's fired on. [23:40] >> This is very good. [23:42] >> Now you're in your fighter jet, [23:44] >> right? [23:44] >> You're ready for takeoff here. 1250 [23:47] horsepower and ready to rip. [23:48] >> Oh, I see. And this comes in. [23:50] >> So, you got adjustment there. [23:51] >> And how do you lock it down [23:52] >> below the wheel? There's just a manual [23:56] lock in kind of right under the wheel [23:58] column. A little bit more forward, I [24:00] believe. Is it way down? Oh, way down [24:02] here. And you got air conditioning. And [24:05] there we go. [24:05] >> And you got air conditioning. Car comes [24:07] with Apple CarPlay as well. So, you got [24:10] your phone integration. [24:12] >> And you've got the good air [24:13] conditioning. [24:14] >> No options on it. [24:15] >> When we drive, you'll see you've got [24:17] your various drive modes. You're right. [24:18] You're in street right now. I press that [24:21] mode button. [24:22] >> You'll come into sport mode. Now, you've [24:24] got four-wheel drive. The V8 is on. And [24:27] then we've got our track mode, which is [24:29] kind of like a sport plus. [24:31] >> And what is the nor the the normal [24:34] non-sport mode is what? Frontwheel all [24:36] >> street. Street is just EV for us. So [24:39] street will have you 500 horsepower EV [24:42] power only. [24:42] >> Gotcha. [24:43] >> It'll use the V8 as a generator, so [24:46] you'll constantly keep up your charge [24:47] and it's a very relaxed driving [24:49] experience. Sport is then much more [24:51] engaging. And the V8's powering the rear [24:53] wheels. And that track mode, you start [24:55] putting in your shift times. And then [24:57] track plus, you're actually dropping the [25:00] whole car by over an inch. And you're [25:02] really just suited for the track. Very [25:04] good. [25:09] Does that feel [25:11] a little bit more situated? So you're [25:14] sitted central, [25:15] >> which is a position we all love. You've [25:17] got good integration of creature [25:20] comforts AC actually coming out from an [25:22] addedly manufactured vent. [25:24] >> You've got a Morell partnership on the [25:26] speaker system so you can listen to [25:28] music while in here. You hear a lot of [25:30] the car but not so much that you need to [25:32] wear, [25:33] >> you know, earbuds or something to cancel [25:35] out the noise. So it is a drivercentric [25:39] experience. It's a car that makes you [25:42] pay attention. We ultimately tried to [25:44] build a car that has a ton of character. [25:46] You feel that in the interior as well, [25:48] but then you have Apple CarPlay, AC [25:52] functions and controls. And you can see [25:54] full adjustability of the wheel and the [25:55] seat as well, so you can get comfortably [25:57] packaged. [25:58] >> Yeah. Very good. [25:59] >> And right here, you see that same [26:01] aluminum alloy that we use on the [26:03] chassis comes through into our kind of [26:06] central node. It's actually the first [26:08] fully additively manufactured and [26:10] integrated wheel as well. and then a [26:13] large use of high modulus carbon fiber [26:15] all throughout. This safety cell is [26:17] actually a single piece. So, a lot of [26:19] times you'll see a separate roof from a [26:22] bottom of the chassis or monok. This is [26:24] a single monok roof um and tub all [26:28] integrated into one. So, it's actually [26:29] an incredibly advanced composite center [26:32] section of the vehicle. [26:33] >> Is this thermostatic this? So, this has [26:36] um various tints that we apply or [26:38] coatings um against the sun, but really [26:41] it's also a great view. When you're [26:42] driving on the road, you can look up at [26:44] the sky. You feel like you're in a [26:46] greenhouse. Uh and it's a very positive [26:48] experience. We really went after this [26:50] cockpit of a fighter jet type styling [26:53] with the top glass as well. [26:55] >> And I adjust my rear mirror as [26:57] >> So, your mirror adjustment. [26:59] >> Yeah. Is on the sides there. You press [27:01] it down once and that makes it active. [27:03] press on top of it and now you should be [27:05] able to adjust in and out. [27:08] >> So, yeah. [27:08] >> Oh, yeah. [27:09] >> Oh, now we just fold it up. [27:11] >> Okay. Yeah. [27:12] >> So, you have the folding function and [27:13] then you've got the individual [27:14] adjustment function as well. [27:17] >> Now, to get it back out, what do I do? [27:20] >> So, press it once very fast. And now you [27:23] should be able to [27:24] >> get it down as well. [27:26] >> So, yeah, full adjustability, [27:28] >> stable mirror system. [27:30] >> Very nice. [27:30] >> Let's take her out for a drive. [27:32] >> All right. Heat. Heat. [27:49] Heat. [28:09] Heat. [28:14] Heat. [28:27] Heat. [28:49] Heat. Heat. [29:13] Yeah, you figure out how much car there [29:14] is when you're sitting in the middle [29:17] here. So, when I go around corners, I'm [29:19] just watching to make sure I don't touch [29:21] those fenders on the curb. But, you get [29:24] used to it pretty quick. [29:45] I love the fact that you can put the [29:47] window all the way down. [29:54] You get a lot of thumbs up in this car, [29:57] gentlemen. [30:06] Boy, this motor just loves to rev. You [30:08] can feel it. Soon as we get out of this [30:10] traffic, we can open it up a little bit. [30:17] You know, I first got involved in this [30:19] project 10 years ago. They were just [30:21] kind of building the factory and showing [30:23] us the 3D printed pieces and we're going [30:25] to 3D print the whole car. And I'm [30:27] thinking, uh, really? Can you do that? [30:30] Okay. You know, and I I'm stunned [30:34] that the finished product is as good as [30:37] this is. Cuz I thought sitting back to [30:39] front, that's kind of weird. That's kind [30:41] of like my rocket. But I enjoy my drive. [30:43] And I love this driving position. You're [30:45] dead center in the middle of the road. [30:47] So, you have exactly the same amount of [30:50] space on each side. You look to your [30:52] left, you look to your right. And that [30:54] is really kind of cool. And this engine, [30:57] boy, [30:59] the first time out, design your own [31:01] engine and build it and have it work and [31:04] have it pass all these tests. It It's [31:07] pretty amazing [31:10] cuz there's so many elements. You got to [31:12] have the engineering. You've got to have [31:15] the business sense and you've got to [31:17] have the money. And very few people, a [31:20] few people have one of those. Very few [31:22] people have all three. So that's where [31:25] uh Lucas and these guys are really quite [31:28] clever. They've managed to put quote a [31:31] sensible business plan for a not very [31:34] sensible project. And I don't mean that [31:36] in a salty way. I mean it's really not a [31:39] sensible car. It only has one purpose, [31:41] just to go out and have fun. And I and [31:44] there's not much that's more fun than [31:46] this. It's it's very very good. It's I I [31:51] mean I'm laughing and smiling here. And [31:53] we haven't even open it up yet. We're [31:55] just sort of doawling around LA traffic. [31:58] We'll get up in the hills and see what [32:00] she does. Making our ways into the [32:03] mountains here. [32:05] Paul and Jay Leno. [32:08] Pretty epic. [32:12] As I'm driving this, in my mind, I'm [32:15] thinking it weighs [32:18] 2,800 lb, 2900 lb. It's 3500, which is [32:23] still light for cars of this nature, [32:25] especially with all the safety equipment [32:27] and everything. It carries its weight so [32:29] low. You know, your battery and [32:31] everything is way down low, below the [32:33] seat level here. So, you're sitting down [32:36] in the car. So, it's uh Yeah. I mean, [32:41] grip, everything is fantastic. There's [32:44] just enough rawness in this to make it [32:46] really, really cool. [32:56] This is the kind of vehicle I would [32:58] imagine Gord Gordon Murray would give [33:00] his blessings to. It has his same kind [33:02] of ethos. [33:13] The ride is very compliant. It's very, [33:15] very good. I'm in sporting mode right [33:18] now. I don't know if I don't think the [33:20] suspension changes, [33:23] but it's really just about perfect. Just [33:26] firm enough, but I'm not getting beat [33:28] up. I've hit a couple of potholes [33:30] already, and it's not like a kidney [33:32] punch, you know. And this chassis is so [33:34] rigid. When I was backing out on my [33:36] driveway, the front wheel was off the [33:38] ground in turning because it it didn't [33:41] flex at all. [33:45] I don't know if there's power assist on [33:47] this steering. I think there probably [33:49] must be cuz you've got the the [33:51] frontwheel drive and the hybrid unit, [33:53] but it feels very direct. It's very very [33:56] good. I mean, it's not so light you [33:58] think, oh, this is power steering, but [34:00] it's it's good. It's really good. [34:05] It's cozy. [34:18] But I'm not mistaken. I believe this car [34:20] has a track record around Laguna Secika. [34:31] I hate to say it's like a go-kart, but [34:33] it's like a go-kart, you know, cuz the [34:37] car only feels as wide as the seat I'm [34:39] sitting in. It's not until you look out [34:41] the window. I got these two big fenders [34:43] over here. I can't imagine trying to [34:46] park this thing, but I'm not going to [34:47] worry about that now. [34:51] It is very relaxing and it's very [34:54] smooth. You know, I thought it might be [34:56] just blaring in my ear and slamming down [34:59] and and you know, just a lot of [35:01] vibrations, but no, not bad at all. [35:05] Exactly what I would want. No more than [35:07] that. It's very [35:13] steering just the right amount of [35:15] pressure. You don't have to muscle it, [35:17] but you use just a little bit, you know, [35:19] so you don't get overconfident here. You [35:23] got to pay attention driving a car like [35:25] this, but you're always going to be [35:27] going way faster than you thought you [35:29] were. [35:31] Not that I'm doing that now, of course. [35:34] The steering is great. I still don't [35:35] know if it's power assisted or not. I [35:37] don't know whether it is, but whatever [35:39] it is, it's perfect. [35:45] Right now, I have it in the automatic [35:47] mode. You can switch down to to manual [35:50] if you want, but I can do that pretty [35:53] much just by dropping it gear. There we [35:55] go. [35:57] Yeah. [36:03] Oh, I mean [36:07] the cool thing is I can go down to the [36:09] factory. It's like it's like 38 miles [36:13] from my house. [36:15] Oh yeah. [36:17] It's well damped. That's for sure. [36:24] I see what he means by not missing that [36:28] double clutch transmission. [36:31] Yes sir. [36:39] Well, I can get used to this very [36:40] quickly. [36:42] Nice righthander. [36:44] There we go, Jay. Hell yeah. [36:47] Definitely a little bit of sand on the [36:49] road. [36:51] Arrow just sucked that right up. [36:55] Nice. [36:58] There we go. [37:00] Boy, if there's a better car for [37:02] blasting through the canyons on a Sunday [37:04] morning, I don't know what it is. This [37:06] is unbelievable. It's just [37:10] just magnificent. [37:13] I mean, the fun part is I looked at that [37:15] chassis. You saw it, too. And you can [37:18] see how it's built. It gives you the [37:20] confidence. A little bit of a sandstorm [37:23] here. [37:24] You know, a lot of times when you deal [37:26] with small manufacturers, you look at [37:28] things and go, "That looks kind of [37:30] dicey, would it?" Oh, yeah. They save a [37:32] few money doing it. No, not here. I [37:35] think whatever this car costs, it's [37:38] worth every penny. [37:50] That is just unbelievable. [37:53] J's getting familiar up there. I can [37:55] tell. It takes a lot of work to drive [37:57] this. It's not really at all. I mean, [38:00] you you got to pay attention obviously, [38:01] of course, but I mean, it's it's very [38:05] very good. Very responsive. Much like a [38:08] lot of carbon fiber cars, you can pick [38:10] up every rock and chip. That's why you [38:12] want to get one of these things with the [38:14] uh you know the plastic coatings. [38:18] Save your pain. Oh, nice. Rightander [38:22] down. Shift in a second. [38:25] 7,000 RPM. [38:28] Grab that tight apex. Nice j. [38:33] I'm not even sure I would play the radio [38:35] in this thing. It's so much fun to [38:37] drive. It makes you concentrate. [38:40] A lot of cars kind of make you lazy [38:42] because they do everything for you. But [38:44] I like the fact that this is uh [38:49] Yes sir. [38:52] There we go. Jay, push it. I'm sorry. I [38:55] just have a car in front of me with a [38:57] camera. It's so much slower than this [38:59] thing. [39:02] Oil temperature good. Water temperature [39:04] good. It's a hot day today. Air [39:08] condition holds you. A lot of times [39:10] these kind of cars, especially a glass [39:12] roof, you think, "Oh, it's going to get [39:14] too hot." No, it's not. I I barely have [39:16] the air conditioning on all the way, and [39:18] it's more than cool. [39:31] >> Well, Jay, what did you think? Right. [39:34] Legally, I have to get one of these. I'm [39:35] sorry. You know, it's very, very good. [39:38] 10 years ago, when I drove the prototype [39:40] in the center, I went, "Yeah, but it'll [39:43] never make the road." So, this is kind [39:45] of silly, but you know, it's like a [39:47] motorcycle. This a car you go out and [39:49] Sunday morning. It's incredible. Is the [39:52] steering power assistant? [39:53] >> Yes. [39:53] >> Oh, it is. Okay. Because I like it [39:56] because maybe it is. Maybe I'm thinking, [39:58] well, it's got the hybrid drive. It's [39:59] got it's got to be power, but it doesn't [40:01] feel it. So, you get the feedback. It's [40:03] very [40:03] >> feedback is excellent. It's a bit on the [40:05] heavier side. [40:06] >> You know what? I like the heavier side [40:08] because it it makes you realize you're [40:10] dealing with 3,000 lb. You know, [40:13] sometimes you get in cars and they're so [40:14] light you off, you know. You know, when [40:17] I look at the chassis, you realize how [40:19] well thought out the product is. You [40:21] know, I look a lot of cars people build [40:23] and they go, I recognize that. I [40:26] recognize that. But this is all it car [40:30] you look at. Look, look at that chassis. [40:32] You don't have to be an engineer to [40:34] understand how strong it is. I mean, [40:36] 3500 lb. People might think that cuz I [40:39] was getting 2850, something like that, [40:41] but there's no cow shake. There's no I [40:44] mean, it is bumpy. I don't feel it [40:46] ripple through the car. When we were [40:47] backing out of my garage, I was talking [40:49] about it. That wheel was off the ground [40:51] because I got uneven pavement and it [40:54] doesn't flex. You know, I've got a a [40:57] four-door link. When you go over [40:58] railroad tracks, the rear wheel doors go [41:00] like this for heating plastic. You know, [41:02] they have to sort of put steel beams in [41:04] to uh to beef up the frame. When you [41:08] look at the frame of this thing, the way [41:09] it's put together, it it's it's very [41:12] Boy, it's really good. And for somebody [41:14] to develop a motor like this first time [41:16] out, it really is impressive. It really [41:18] is impressive. It's it it's very very [41:21] good. I'm stunned that you just got it [41:23] to pass the hardest test of all. You [41:26] know, that's the one almost nobody 1% [41:29] maybe get through. You know, all these [41:31] supercars from Europe, you got to bring [41:33] them in on Montana plates and all this [41:35] nonsense of people do just to get the [41:37] car here. Americanbuilt, Americanmade. [41:39] It's 38 miles from my home. I prop down [41:42] the factory and yell at the guy. Yeah. [41:44] Come see us, Jay. No, it's Well, I I I [41:47] won't come to see you. I keep thinking, [41:49] well, that's my last supercar. All I got [41:52] to do this the whole case. This is very [41:55] Now this is the downforce model. [41:57] >> This is the high downforce. You were in [41:59] the V-Max. It was a joy to see you [42:01] carving up the canyons in it as well. [42:03] >> Well, you had to go slow cuz we had a [42:05] camera on [42:06] >> and you realize how much more is here. [42:08] And I just love that motor the way it [42:10] revs. It It just Boy, it's really great. [42:13] It it it's just very very good to have [42:16] an engine be this good first time out. [42:19] How many miles on the test vehicle? Over [42:22] 50,000 on our test vehicle and across [42:24] the fleet over 100,000. That's high [42:27] performance driving. For example, we [42:29] simulate backto back track laps on an [42:32] engine dynam. [42:38] And I see what you mean about not [42:40] missing. [42:42] Boom. Yeah. It's quick and you get the [42:45] TV filament. [42:47] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's great. And we've done [42:49] both high and low temp. We did high [42:51] altitude low temp in the winter and [42:53] mammoth and we go out to the high desert [42:55] valley. We get the full [42:58] California high desert [43:01] and the air conditioning does keep up. [43:03] You've got this glass roof here which [43:06] engineering [43:08] but just press the button pick up [43:10] another speed on the fan and it's not so [43:13] noisy that you know most cars like this [43:16] you got to turn off the air condition [43:18] when you're driving to talk because it [43:20] overpowers the power. I mean very well [43:24] put together with that very impressive. [43:27] It's a drivable car at the the end of [43:29] the day. It's another worldly experience [43:31] about having having enough comfort in it [43:33] as well. Sensible. I I Yeah. Yeah. [43:37] >> I just love guys and they just I mean [43:39] you you can put your luggage back here. [43:42] No, it's really impressive. [43:44] >> Can I try this one now, [43:46] >> Jay? Absolutely. [43:47] >> Let's get you in the high downforce. [43:49] >> All right. [43:50] >> Well, we're now the high downforce car. [43:53] I'm not sure I'll be able to tell any [43:55] difference, but we'll see. [44:16] You know, it's just so easy to drive. [44:19] You know, a lot of times when you build [44:21] when you drive, not just the prototypes, [44:24] but sometimes one or two all supercars, [44:28] there's kind of a kit car feel to it. I [44:30] don't get any of that here. None of [44:32] that. Well, Jay's got the hang of it [44:34] now. You know, I don't know why I [44:36] assumed the red line was like uh, you [44:40] know, 6,500 or 700. It's 11,000. [44:44] All right. That I That's a sail right [44:46] there. You can hear I'm getting up in [44:48] that RPM range. [44:52] Sounds like 67,000. [44:54] It's got a while left. Let's get to 11. [45:08] You know, there's no big rock in the [45:10] road. I join the wheel. Boom. Just avoid [45:12] it. No drama, no problems. Just 30. [45:16] Yeah. Fast reaction time for Jay. Just [45:20] dodging that rock. Looking good. [45:23] Nice corner edge right here. Tight apex. [45:26] Yeah. [45:28] Good. Jay, you know, I'm a pretty old [45:30] guy. He said to me, "Okay, what's the [45:33] last super car you could buy?" I got to [45:36] go with you. [45:44] There you go. There we go. That's the [45:46] rev you want to hear. [45:50] All right. Come on, baby. Make some [45:52] noise. [45:56] Yeah. Very good. [46:06] And that's only 8,000 RPM. [46:10] We got another 3,000 to go. [46:29] just hug that inside line. [46:32] Don't move it around. Just great. [46:40] I'm trying to say off the camera cuz God [46:41] cars bumpers and with these uh with [46:44] these brakes. It's very very good with [46:47] the car now. He's looking good [46:55] in a second. Says RPM looking good, J. [47:04] I can look through this engine all day [47:06] long. This thing can be a pulley. Jay [47:08] looks like he wants to eat that camera [47:10] car as much right now. Anyway, listen. I [47:13] hope you enjoy this Americanmade, [47:15] American built supercar as much as I do. [47:18] I couldn't be prouder of Lucas and the [47:20] gang. It's really exciting. This kind of [47:23] thing is doesn't just happen in Europe. [47:25] It happens 38 miles from my house. I [47:29] predict Torren will be the new Bodina. [47:32] Hey, we'll see you guys next week. I'm [47:34] going to keep driving here. I got to [47:35] lose this camera car.