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The speaker shares his journey from a junior salesperson to becoming the top salesperson at a digital agency, closing $1.5 million in deals and outperforming the director of sales and founders. He emphasizes strategies like booking himself solid, internal networking, and focusing on lead measures to achieve success.
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The speaker introduces his story of selling $1.5 million and beating the director of sales and founder of the agency he worked at.
Started with restaurant sales and cold email, then got a job at a startup doing cold calling 7-8 hours a day, learning that contacting enough customers leads to success.
Cold calls moved numbers more than marketing tactics, but he hated it and quit to become an entrepreneur.
Got a job at a 40-person agency with a 4-man sales team. Noticed senior salespeople took the best leads, so he decided to book himself solid.
Generated leads via Clutch, Quora, social media, cold emailing, hosting meetups, and following up with every lead. Talked to 200-300 people per week.
Networked with directors of web and iOS to understand their interests, then created outbound campaigns targeting music festivals and mobile gaming.
Asked the founder and director of sales how they measure the sales team. Found they used lag measures (revenue), so he focused on lead measures (calls, emails) and took more in-person meetings.
Partnered with senior salespeople who didn't want to do proposals or follow-ups, taking over their accounts and earning commission. Picked up accounts when they quit.
Sold $1.5 million in a year, beating the director of sales and founders. Created a course called Salesman X to teach his system.
Advises positioning as conversion-focused or artistic, and selling to high-ticket clients by emphasizing trust and expertise.
Getting lazy when things are going well and dropping the basics. Success requires consistent effort.
Lead with benefit and case studies. Build targeted lead lists manually, don't buy lists.
Set daily goals for calls and emails. Use omni-channel outreach: cold call, email, and engage on social media where prospects are active.
Send proposals only when you have a follow-up meeting scheduled. Sending proposals early leads to ghosting.
For enterprise deals, use 30-40 page proposals with bios, specs, and detailed pricing. Short proposals work for SMBs.
The speaker's success came from booking himself solid through relentless outreach, internal networking, and focusing on lead measures. He now offers a course to help others replicate his results.
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What was the speaker's first sales job?
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What was the speaker's first sales job?
Restaurant sales, walking into restaurants to sell copywriting.
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What did the speaker learn from cold calling at a startup?
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What did the speaker learn from cold calling at a startup?
If you contact enough customers, you will eventually succeed.
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How did the speaker book himself solid at the agency?
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How did the speaker book himself solid at the agency?
By generating leads via Clutch, Quora, social media, cold emailing, hosting meetups, and following up with every lead.
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What are lead measures vs lag measures?
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What are lead measures vs lag measures?
Lead measures are in your control (e.g., number of calls made); lag measures are not (e.g., revenue generated).
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What was the number one mistake the speaker sees salesmen make?
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What was the number one mistake the speaker sees salesmen make?
Getting lazy when their life is going good and dropping the basics.
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How should you send a proposal according to the speaker?
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How should you send a proposal according to the speaker?
Book a follow-up meeting first, then send the proposal about five minutes before that meeting.
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What is the recommended length for enterprise proposals?
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What is the recommended length for enterprise proposals?
30-40 pages with bios, specs, and detailed pricing.
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What tool did the speaker use to track PDF opens?
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What tool did the speaker use to track PDF opens?
ToutApp.
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How much did the speaker pay his Filipino cold caller per hour?
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How much did the speaker pay his Filipino cold caller per hour?
$12 per hour.
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What is the speaker's advice for a new SDR starting a SaaS job?
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What is the speaker's advice for a new SDR starting a SaaS job?
Set daily goals for calls and emails, use omni-channel outreach, and cold call at least an hour a day.
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💡 Key Takeaways
Booking Yourself Solid
Key strategy of generating your own leads and filling your calendar to outperform senior salespeople.
06:00Lead vs Lag Measures
Insight on focusing on controllable activities rather than outcomes to gain autonomy.
10:00Biggest Mistake: Getting Lazy
Common pitfall of slacking off after success, leading to eventual decline.
18:00Proposal Timing
Practical tip to send proposals only after scheduling a follow-up meeting to increase close rates.
24:00Full Transcript
hello hello and welcome to the stream today i'm going to be talking about how i sold 1.5 million dollars and beat the director of sales beat the founder of the agency that i was working at and became the top sales guy basically my journey from junior salesperson all the way up to director of marketing how it happened how we closed 1.5 million dollars in deals and how we've now put it all together into something special for
you that's what i want to talk about today we're also going to do an open q a on sales and selling and closing and everything like that i also want to let you know this is also live on twitter i see some people are on the twitter space i see some people are here on the youtube space happy to be here with you all and let me know before we get started can you hear me okay
can you see me okay i see some people come into twitter space if you guys want to talk i'm going to do my my thing first tell my story and then if you guys want to ask questions we're going to do that later if you want to hop on twitter as well you can you can do that if you want to call in later so let's talk about it how did i sell 1.5 million dollars and
beat my director of sales well let me tell my my sales journey right now my sales journey started when i was in in college i was in college in florida and i really wanted to become an entrepreneur and the more i thought about it the more that i realized that people would pay for marketing people would pay for sales more than anything else all businesses need marketing all businesses need sales and so if i could get
good at those i would end up in a great spot so i started with restaurant sales basically walking into restaurants trying to sell them copywriting that did okay then i learned about cold email uh cold email as you guys know is reaching out to people that you don't know and trying to get them to buy from you or do it do whatever you want them to do uh so i did cold email and i ended up
getting a job in new york city for this startup uh startup was kind of like a groupon clone uh i don't even know if i can use that anymore because people don't even know what groupon is but basically i was cold calling seven to eight hours a day local businesses all day you know cold calling all day these local businesses trying to pitch them on joining our platform and that taught me a lot it taught me
the basic thing about sales which is if you reach out if you contact enough customers you will succeed eventually the more people i called the more people got listed on the platform and it wasn't the most exciting job in the world in fact i thought that i wanted to do marketing more than sales calls because i would sit there and i was actually the only sales person in the office everyone else was doing other jobs and
it was like a little wework and i was the only one calling but we were moving the numbers and we moved the numbers more with the cold calls than we did with cold email than we did with any sort of marketing tactic and so i realized then that cold calls were key i also realized i hated it so much that i had to quit my job and decided to set off on my own as an entrepreneur
marketing consultant so i quit my job there tried to go into marketing on my own didn't really understand that cold calling and cold email was the way because because i didn't do it i was basically trying to build my first agency off referrals and off of friends and i did okay i made it you know a couple thousand dollars you know like nothing in my first month uh and eventually that business fell apart and i had
to get another job i had three months of doing that and then i had to go get another job and the way i got another job was cold email and going to events again meeting people in new york city making it happen and i was very lucky to bump into this guy uh who's a mentor of mine to this day tom tenkridi uh founder of this agency in new york city and they sold software and mobile
app development and all this sort of stuff they were about a 40-person company had a four-man sales team so 10 of their team was sales and it was two junior guys it was the director of sales and then the two founders were all doing sales full time and what i did there was i realized pretty quickly that all of the other guys on the team that have been there longer were going to take all of the
great deals and i saw it happen i saw a good inbound lead would come in and then it would be shoved off to this guy who'd been there for a couple years or another lead would come in and the director of sales would take it himself instead of sending it to the sales guys like us and it just made me realize that if i wanted to make this happen if i wanted to actually beat them in
terms of getting past their numbers and becoming the number one sales person on the team i had to figure out a way to book myself solid and so what i ended up doing was a couple things one i started generating leads for the agency itself i made sure that we were listed on clutch i started answering quora questions i did a lot of the soft stuff a lot of the social media content but what i also
did and the thing that maybe moved the needle more was i started cold emailing customers i started following up with literally every lead they would give me i started hosting a meetup and meeting every single person that i could every single month at the meetup and trying to pitch them and that's all i did consistently follow up consistently pitch and book myself solid that was the number one thing i wanted to do was book myself solid
and i did it eventually now there's a couple keys there when it came to booking myself solid one i had to make sure that i was talking to a lot of people right you want to book yourself solid you got to talk to a lot of people i was talking to at least 2 300 people a week every time i went to that meet-up i would meet every single person in the in the room and that
was maybe 30-35 people in that room and i would shake all their hands i'd introduce myself and i would try to pitch them i'd try to figure out if they needed web development if they needed mobile apps whatever they needed all right so i started doing that the other thing that really helped was networking inside the company so i went out to um i went out to the director of web who was the guy running the
web design for the business and i asked him what sort of websites do you want to build and i got him to tell me all about his past he used to do web site design for music festivals he loved music festivals and so i took that and then i talked to the director of ios the director of mobile and i asked him what he wanted to do and he loved gaming you know mobile gaming so what
i did with all of that information is i did outbound campaigns for each of those so for the director of web i was going out to music festivals and pitching those kind of guys trying to see if we can develop websites for them for the director of ios i was trying to pitch mobile games we actually pitched a few games for uh major movies and stuff like that based on just what they wanted to do and
that wasn't just outbound that was inbound as well that was inbound as well that was us talking to our current clients and me pitching internally as well so for instance there was one client that had a bunch of major intellectual property like they owned a bunch of tv shows so for them i sent them a cold email right to somebody else in the in a different department that we hadn't worked with that i thought would be
interested in mobile gaming and guess what they were down and we were able to send out a proposal for that so internal networking the other thing i did was managing up so i asked tom who was the founder of the company i asked uh the other founders of the company i even asked the director of sales i said hey what would it take to become a great salesperson here and i asked how he measures the sales
team because i wanted to figure out does he measure the sales team based on lead measures or lag measures lead measures are things that were in my control things like number of calls made or number of emails sent lag measures are things that are not in my control not in my control things like uh revenue generated or number of meetings attended and what i found out was the entire sales team at this you know eight figure
agency whatever it was not eight figures the entire sales team at this seven million dollar a year agency was completely managed based on lag measures it was based on how many sales have you made this quarter and really how many sales have you made this year so what i was able to do then was take complete uh carte blanche complete freedom of my time because i realized i was just gonna get measured based on that sales
number so i stopped going into the office half the time i started taking more coffee meetings in person i started doing all of that and it it allowed us to make a much bigger impact half of our sales maybe half maybe a third of our sales came from in-person meetings not people coming to us not us doing zooms it was literally me and some other people on the team getting on planes and flying to los angeles
flying to oklahoma to chicago to make these deals happen and leaving the office to go outside to meetings booking dinners booking lunches all this stuff was not standard at the time for the sales team but it was stuff that i did now the other thing i did was start pulling in everybody else's proposal so the the next major thing i wanted to talk about was partnerships partnerships with the other members of the team what i found
out is there were a couple people on the team that were like you know mid-40s they've been they've been selling for a long time and i i don't want to say they were lazy i think they they understood that their time was worth more than doing proposals and doing the you know the the low totem poll work so i was able to partner with them and get pieces of their commission in exchange for doing all the
legwork in exchange for writing proposals or even a lot of times sending follow-up emails for them and taking over a lot of their accounts and what i also found what happened is those guys that were too lazy to do their job a few of them quit there was turnover and who was there to pick up the slack of those accounts the p the person that had the relationship the person that had been doing all of that
heavy lifting or that that you know that junior lifting in the background so i was able to grab a lot of accounts there and then as as the team saw what i was capable of eventually they started kicking me the big deals as well tom and some of the other people in the senior leadership team started trusting me more and started kicking me more and more of these deals as they came through so with that in
mind i was able to write more proposals than everybody else take more meetings than everybody else and i was asking for you know six seven figure deals so that allowed me to quickly relatively quickly within a year uh sell 1.5 million dollars beat the director of sales beat the founders who were because they were both kicking me deals that they probably should have taken on their own that allowed me to do all of that and now
what i've done is i wanted to help everyone else do the same thing that i did so i've now created a course called salesman x it's a system that goes through exactly how you can do the same thing and it's not just bs theory inside salesman x which you can get at salesmanx.com inside salesman x you're going to see live cold calls we have two hours of live cold calling we have a crash course on cold
email we have a crash course on how to exactly write the proposals i show you the exact proposal that landed a i think it was a 125 000 deal we have video of me closing these deals via email and via phone all of that we've got we've got that in the course and also step-by-step strategy that includes things like what email do you send your boss to figure out whether he does lead measures or lag measures
how he measures you as a team what email do you send the internal people on your team in order to actually network with them and get them to send you deals what emails and what communication how do you frame asking the senior sales guy to let you meet with his clients to get testimonials for the business all of that is inside salesman x which you can get right now as a pre-order for 247 it's 40 off
of what it's eventually going to end up being it's going to end up being more than 400 for this course so if you want to change your life you want to become the top salesperson on your team then i highly recommend joining salesman x today now is the time to join if you want to change your life you want to become the top salesperson on your team hop in now because now is the time to join
you can join right now at salesmanx.com now i have been talking a lot i'm gonna do a full q a you're about to see it uh but first i'm gonna give you a couple minutes i'm gonna go get a drink of water and i'll be back in about two minutes so i'll see you guys in a second hop in now salesmanx.com okay all right we are back that was a good break that was a good break
now okay okay we're back now let's do a full q a let me know either on twitter i see some requests so we can have one of you guys in and then in the meantime also on youtube chat we can talk sales we can talk whatever you want so i'm going to approve one of you man's not hot all right let's go uh by the way if you want to join the the chat i'm going to
join the space i'll also link it down below in this video hey guys how's it going man hot what's up bro you got a question all right also proof kilber kilbury here let's get some uh sales questions going kilbury here okay hi alex how is it going man hey going good do you have a question about sales or uh selling or anything yep yeah like i'm trying to sell my website designs for all designs to like
big companies like how can i paste them like and what should how can you sell website design to big companies and who should you speak the companies you talk about yeah of course so how to sell website design to large companies and who should you speak to one you got to figure out what the benefit of your website design is are you a you know are you a conversion rate optimization conversion focused website design guy are
you one of these uh artistic website branding soft skill type of website design guys i would figure out what your positioning is the second thing is if you want to sell to a uh you know high ticket you want to sell high ticket websites so we've i've sold a 50 000 website all right the company that purchased it was a financial services firm and they were just about to open like very sweet spot type of financial
services firm that was a recommendation from one of the uh more senior guys on the team and the way that he was uh so the way that we sold them was they were a bunch of senior guys they wanted to protect their brand so by working with us and spending 50k they were getting uh they were getting a guaranteed good website right they could hire somebody on fiverr to build a 500 website but if they do
that is that going to be good enough for them to raise a billion dollar fund i don't know it sounds kind of embarrassing to me dude so by spending the the higher rate by spending 50k or 60k or 100k on a website now you are speaking to trusted people you're working with trusted people that are going to get the job done so that's that's the way i would frame it uh when you are performing at a
certain level and you talk to people at that level that sort of expertise is very much appreciated especially when you're selling something like a website where it's very easy for them to go and get any site for like 200 300 bucks so that's that's the way i would frame it if you want more details on that i would actually check out uh agency action plan for the cheaper sites or email 10k for the more expensive sites
all right matthew miller says what are the biggest mistakes you see salesmen make what are the biggest mistakes you see salesmen make number one actually the number one biggest mistake that i see sales people make is getting lazy when their life is going good so for instance let's say you're grinding hard you're doing you know an hour two hours of cold calling every day you're doing an hour two hours of cold emails you're sending your proposals
you're doing super good but then you're doing really good like you're on track to hit your numbers everything's going great and you start thinking you're a superhero you start thinking that these sales are just happening by themselves without you having to do any inputs and you forget the work so what happens a lot of times is when things are good when the money's coming in a lot of sales guys will slack off and they'll stop doing
the basic stuff they'll think they don't need to do cold email because their numbers are going to get hit and what happens is you don't see the negative impact of that right away right away it seems like you're a superhero you've you've figured out the master stroke how to save 10 hours a day you just don't do any of the work and you get all the rewards but what you find out is three months in four
months in the um three months in four months in all of that dries up and you lose numbers the numbers start crashing again and it's because you didn't put in the work so the number one mistake i see sales people make is they drop the basics the second they start seeing any success and something that i try to avoid all the time i'm always doing the basics you know always always working what needs to be done
uh you know sending tweets for me or whatever whatever i do all day you know but i'm always doing the basics regardless of all the sales numbers are coming in uh kilber what is up man uh how's it going silver either gilbert you here you have a question nope okay so we'll keep going uh josh agarwal says i want to know can we sell seo auditing services to small to medium businesses how much do you think
we can typically charge for them uh yes i'm talking more to the sdr you know sales development rep professional salesperson crowd right now but yes you can sell seo auditing services to anyone that that gets most of their traffic from google uh how much can you charge i mean 4k a month 6k a month uh really like whatever you want bro six figures a year it all depends on your value the one thing i wouldn't do
is charge like you know 150 a month i wouldn't do that but yeah seo is a great industry to be in because it takes a long time to see results with seo so clients will just let you run for months and months and months so yeah seo is a great service to be in great business to be in all right uh man's we already spoke anyone else want to ask questions we can do it on twitter
you can ask questions here in the chat whatever you guys want to do and of course hop in salesman x because salesman x is the next big course from us all about how to sell more how to beat your sales quota how to become the number one sales person at your company and how to do it in the most effective way without any theory and without any wasted words a lot of courses love stretching things out
and they should be very very quick so that's what salesman x is all about it's actually daily and weekly action plans as well everything you should be doing every day everything you should be doing every week in order to become the top salesperson in your company any other questions guys feel free to ask them either on twitter you can request on twitter uh in the twitter space or in the youtube chat here you can feel free
to ask away anything about sales anything about closing proposals negotiation getting promoted how to ask for a raise anything like that all right man you're in again let's talk again mans what's up man's either okay robert jacobson says hi i just joined i have questions regarding b2b large size deals yeah go for it robert post your uh post your question here ricky says hi i'm a music producer do you think your cold email university will help
me sell more beats via email actually yeah uh my little brother joseph does beat salesme email the instagram dm via cold call to his email list as well so yes mastering cold email mastering pitching will actually help you sell beats uh online and joseph's making a living doing beat sales right now uh your personal workforce i've done your email marketing course and i've done a lot of email marketing ever since can you give me tips on
where to offer my bulk email servers uh sorry it's not connected to the topic uh anyone who uses email you know any sort of salesperson sdr team any of those guys will buy email marketing or if you're talking b2c then email uh you know anyone who uses email there like e-commerce companies would be would be a good fit for you there robert jacobson feel free to write out the question here and also anyone in the twitter
space feel free to request and i can put you up here on the on the floor i can give you the floor your personal workforce i don't like upwork fiverr etc me either man fiverr and upwork is it's garbage i i said it was like mcdonald's the other day and people went kind of crazy on me but it is like that it's the the lowest of the low you know especially when you're hiring marketing services on
fiverr because if you can't figure out how to market yourself in a way that's not plugging into a directory then are you even that good at marketing my question you know picture picture services directly uh super saiyan what's good bro what up bro how's it going feel free to request uh speaking in the twitter space as well and keep the questions coming guys let's go we've been at it for for about a half hour maybe we'll
keep going how you guys doing so yeah feel free to ask any more questions about sales closing negotiation working with fortune 500 you know i uh my first year in agency sales i wrote proposals for all the senior guys i booked myself solid um i've worked with funded startups small companies major fortune 500s like hearst and tyson foods like major fortune 500 companies as major as you can be you know one of the 500 uh a
couple of those and so feel free to ask whatever you want let's go you know i i did it all as a as an introvert i had to train myself how to sell this is not this is not a inbuilt as you could probably tell by just listening to me but luckily what's cool about tech sales is you can be a little um you can be a little introverted and it actually makes you seem more trustworthy
because it makes you seem like you're more of a coder or more of a a craftsman and so i think one of the main reasons i was able to sell so much as i did with the vibe that i give off is because we're selling software and we're selling marketing where nerdiness actually wins you know and awkwardness wins a lot of the time so robert jacob robert jacobson in the b2b context how do you set up
a good cold sequence or how would you approach someone to sell them a hardware product that costs 50k plus for a single purchase slash product uh robert says complicated question feel free to ignore i would just uh my question there is what is the hardware product because i would approach them the same way approach anyone else which is lead with the benefit of what you do right whether it's a hardware product software product whatever agency service
it all comes down to what benefit are you providing to the person um another good thing i would do is is talk in terms of case studies right what's a good cold email sequence i would talk about you know what the benefit of the thing that you offer is and then number two talk about what you did for somebody else and the results that you gained using the hardware product that's that uh super saiyan i tried
sending cold emails to 2500 people from a list i got back from a call center only got around 127 replies back what's that 127 off of 2500 it's not good was that a 5 reply yeah super saiyan i wouldn't just i would build targeted lead lists don't buy lists uh from people online use services to to build those you know list building services or just people on upwork and make sure the lists are generated manually make
sure that they're being checked uh as well you know verified so that they don't bounce because uh 127 replies back means either the open rate was crap because your subject line was bad or your email was crap or the leads were bad one of those three things if one of those three things is true that would lead to the low response rate so you can go back and you can fix all three of those uh zachary
says hey man love your content i'm coming from door to door and starting my first sas job next week any advice for someone new on the scene yeah hop into salesman x my advice to you is gonna be uh you're gonna hit the phones you're gonna be sending emails you're going to have to work harder than any other sales person at the company you know hit the phones make sure that you're actually doing uh your dials
because cold calling works surprisingly well now uh i'm talking you know good good connect rates and once you connect with someone on a cold call if you get past that first you know a couple sentences and they're a qualified person you're gonna book a meeting almost 100 of the time so cold calling works surprisingly well i know it's tough to do but that's my number one piece of advice is make sure that you set a daily
goal for calls and set a daily goal for cold emails and cold dms uh i would do the full omni channel outreach a lot of the time what i'll end up doing and what i recommend our sales team do is cold call at least an hour a day maybe two hours a day cold email an hour to a day and then do omni channel the rest of the time and the way that i do omni channel
and b2b is i'll look at what social media platform they are active on so i'll put in their name on like twitter linkedin facebook instagram and i'll see which one they're active on uh typically it's not them posting a lot of times it's them liking posts but let's say they're on linkedin liking posts then i could come in and i could like the same post so maybe they'll see my name or i could like their comment
if they're leaving a comment or leave a comment on the posts that i know they're liking that i know they're seeing so that's a way to do omni channel outreach with people that aren't necessarily engaging on social media and i would do that if you have your lead list i would do that for an hour a day as well typically do it on like day three so day one i'd send a cold call cold email day
two i'd move on to new leads and then day three i'm cold calling cold emailing new leads but then also omni channeling uh doing the social media engagement for leads on day one and then i'm just cycling over and over and over again uh amar says hello alex i'm going to do freelance web design is there a lot of money to earned yeah there's a lot of money in in everything amar um you can make millions
of dollars a year doing web design uh just be open to to learning and to pivoting your offer and to selling something people want that's that's as simple as it is guys in the uh in the twitter space feel free to to request and i can approve you you can ask some questions we can have a little bit of a back and forth here and this scr training q a you know let's let's talk sdrs sdr
by the way stands for sales development rep and it's basically the the the basic job uh in most companies it's sending cold emails it's grinding it's building your lead list making cold calls doing all the all the necessary stuff that the older guys don't want to do but that is necessary for building uh any sort of b2b pipeline robert says the part you mentioned i get but how would you handle objections to circle around roi for
b2b products when the roi is vague slash complicated without knowing robert what's your actual product i can help you if you tell me what your actual product is because the vague question doesn't help because my just based on this vague thing if you're saying the roi isn't isn't uh there and it's hard to sell i would just sell literally sell something else if you could you know there's no reason you should sell something that's hard to
sell when you could sell literally anything pick anything but yeah let me know the offer and i can i can help you there parth says i've had almost five to six meetings but everyone says at the end of the meeting to send a proposal but after it no one really gives an answer or even follow-ups what should i do now parth so the way to send a proposal is you book the follow-up meeting first then on
the day of that meeting about five minutes before you finally send the proposal i have never had a client where i've sent the proposal days or weeks before end up closing never in in all of the let's say thousands of proposals i've sent if i send the proposal days before the meeting that close does not happen so what you want to do is send the proposal even like the minute of you don't want them to go
through because we actually we measured this um we used to send out pdfs tracked using a tool called tout app and what that tool did is it showed you when people opened up the pdf what pages they actually read and we would send these long b2b proposals like 25 30 pages an example of one is inside salesman x but we would send these long proposals and what we found is people would read the first page then
they would scroll as fast as they could down to the last page with the pricing and then they just wouldn't respond or they'd ghost us etc you know because when you're when you're selling an app for 125 000 or 250 000 that whole process of talking about the team going through the bios talking about their problems talking about the scope of the app all of that is so important too important to have the client see the
proposal with you not there to contextualize everything that's going on so that's what i would do is just make sure you send your proposal way later in the sales process guru says what's a free way to call except whatsapp voice call i'm from india i don't know of a freeway i've been using and our indian team for cold calls has been using skype uh it's like 15 bucks a month or maybe 20 a month for unlimited
calling to the us you can also use google voice at similar pricing like 20 bucks a month uh you're gonna have to spend some money to make stuff happen all right i know 20 bucks a month might be a lot for you but like you gotta make it happen all right uh your personal workforce says where do you find your va's or callers how much calling do you do yourself how much do you outsource i'm talking
about your own company not your clients so for my own company i don't do any cold calls anymore the only reason i do cold calls or would do them is when i'm putting together a sales training product and i want to test whether a script works i'll do some calls myself but most of the time i'm hiring people to do the calls uh the indian caller i use is a guy on our team called ankit ankit
patel and the american caller that i've been using is my little brother terence cause he's been crushing it with his with his cold calls so that's i just use people from the team um i've tried hiring cold callers on upwork and they're very expensive for what they are you'd have to negotiate a really good deal to hire cold callers off of upwork the problem with having cold callers that aren't sitting there in the room with you
is that you can't watch what they do so a cold caller for instance could bill you eight hours nine hours and only put in you know an hour of work and you'd have no idea they'd send you the document like you have no idea i did however i hired a filipino guy uh reggie regional matalka when i was at the very first company where i said i was doing all the cold calls after i got sick
of that in about four months i hired him paid him 12 dollars an hour and he was able to do basically as well as i did so hiring somebody to do your cold calls for you is very doable and i was doing it i i didn't have permission to hire anyone to do the cold calls for me i just figured you know he could do it for cheaper than my salary and i was right you know
i was coasting so hard uh through the job once i once i cracked the the code with reggie that's why that's why i remember his first and last name like regional served me well all right for 12 bucks an hour served me well uh personal workforce says skype is only four dollars a month for unlimited us calling yep exactly i love skype super cheap uh and you can cold call from india you know it just requires
practice and we've done it inside our courses as well uh here's a tip for cold callers that are cheap native speaking callers and facebook groups you can also post ads on craigslist in tijuana and also get natives that sounds like theory um which i i can't i can't plus one theory i i don't plus one ideas that sound cool only ones that are you know proven in the world kilber are you ready to ask your question
let's go kilbury here kilbur are you here by the way keep asking questions guys let's let's keep this going this is getting good while we're waiting uh salesman x i'm actually really proud of how salesman x turned out it's everything i wish i had when i was on a sales team basically every single thing that i wish i had how to follow up what to do every single day how to make sure that i hit my
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questions robert jacobson says really loved your answer regarding proposals anything else that surprised you or you learned when dealing with proposals yeah so a lot of people say long proposals aren't the move and they try to do one page proposals and we've sold with one page proposals as well what i've found is if you want to do a six-figure deal with an enterprise level company there's a reason why you're going to send a 30-page proposal 40-page
proposal all right the proposal is going to be passed around if you send out a one-page proposal to a fortune 500 company they will laugh you out of the room you're not going to get a follow-up so what we do in our longer proposals is we make sure we have literally bios of everyone on the team we have the actual specs of the software that we're building a lot of times screen by screen by screen and
talk about all the back end stuff the apis exactly how it's all going to fit together in detail we have our pricing broken out in detail every single thing that they could possibly need where the proposal is selling the service for us it's like being in the meeting with us that's why when we do big deals with large companies we do 30 page proposals 40 page proposals not because we don't know how to write a one-page
proposal and in fact it works well for smbs to do a short proposal or even sell off bullet points in an email but for major corporations you need those longer proposals uh karen how do you do market research to find untapped niches uh you're gonna love whatever course we're coming out with uh soon we have a whole course on niches coming soon um guru computer center says thank you you're welcome any other questions guys feel free
to request and we can continue chatting here let's give it a minute all right any other questions anyone i'm not gonna say bueller i already said it deal all right guys hope you had a great night oh actually it's morning in pst hope you have a great day great monday go out there and crush it today you're going to do great if you want to become the top sales person on your team check out salesmanx you
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