S2000 vs Elise: Which is truly better?
42sThe debate between reliability of the S2000 and fragility of the Elise sparks controversy among car enthusiasts.
▶ Play ClipThe video features a conversation about the best sports cars under $30,000, with strong opinions on the Honda S2000, Mazda Miata, and Ford Mustang. The discussion expands to head-turning vehicles at various price points, from a JDM fire truck to a Lotus Esprit and Lamborghini Countach. The hosts also share personal experiences with the Ford GT and its cultural impact.
The S2000 is praised for reliability and flat depreciation; the Miata is newer but loses value quickly; the Mustang offers V8 power but has a stereotype.
Japanese and American cars are recommended for reliability; European cars under $30k will have higher ownership costs.
For $25k, a JDM fire truck (Toyota Land Cruiser) is a huge head-turner. For $50k, the T-Rex three-wheeler. For $250k, the Lotus Esprit offers Countach looks.
The Countach, DeLorean, and military Hummer have become cultural icons that attract attention beyond car enthusiasts.
The Ford GT is described as a usable supercar that still gets extreme reactions; a scary encounter with a motorcycle gang is recounted.
The Ford GT's 6,000-unit production puts it in a weird market position, but it continues to appreciate due to its iconic design.
"The title promises 'best cars under $30,000' and the video delivers a detailed discussion of that exact topic, plus additional head-turner recommendations at higher price points."
Which car is praised for being dead reliable and flat in value under $30,000?
Honda S2000
00:38
For $30,000, which car origins (Japanese, American, European) are recommended for reliability and lower ownership costs?
Japanese and American cars; European cars are more expensive to own.
02:05
What unusual vehicle for $25,000 is suggested as a head-turner?
A Japanese market fire truck (Toyota Land Cruiser with fire equipment).
02:42
Which car at $250,000 is said to turn as many heads as a Lamborghini Countach for one-sixth the price?
Lotus Esprit
03:44
Name three cars that have reached cultural icon status beyond automotive enthusiasm.
Lamborghini Countach, DeLorean, and military Hummer.
05:10
What is the approximate production number of the Ford GT that puts it in a weird market position?
6,000 units
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S2000 reliability and value
Highlights a specific car that offers both fun and low ownership costs.
00:38Avoid Euro cars under $30k
Practical advice for budget-conscious buyers to avoid expensive maintenance.
02:05JDM fire truck as head-turner
Unusual and memorable suggestion that stands out in the discussion.
02:42Cultural icon cars
Explains why certain cars attract attention beyond car enthusiasts.
05:10Production numbers affect value
Key factor in understanding why the Ford GT appreciates despite higher production.
09:39[00:00] What car wins in the sub $30,000 category? Graham would say the S2000. Oh, I love the S2000. I really love it too. A high mileage Lotus Elise. Yeah, which are in that range.
[00:13] Although, you know, I would still rather have this 2000. The Elise is cool as hell, but I had one, it's so fragile. You always feel like you're gonna damage it. No, I never felt that way. Yeah, people tell you not to grab the windshield when you're climbing in because you might break it.
[00:26] I mean, think about that. But just don't do that. But think about that. That's like nobody's stand on the car. Nobody's ever said that about my Toyota Sequoia. Like, oh, don't grab on to part of it. No, don't touch that. Yeah.
[00:38] You're gonna crack the windshield. S2000 is a great one because they are dead reliable and they are dead, the flat in value, and they are so much fun to drive. The others are good, honestly.
[00:51] And the meadas are really desirable cars. What year is yours? Mine's 2000. So then B. And these are amazing cars. And you can get the nicest one in the world for under 30. The fact new, they're like only 2031.
[01:04] That's what I was saying. It's like I just get a new meada. But I would probably rather have an S2000 than a new meada. Even though from a power perspective, the S2000 is at the time, it was like a rocket ship. And now it's like, you know, not feeling that way anymore. But that's probably what I would,
[01:16] 30 I would probably get under an S2000. I like a good firebird. I like a good, like a two-firebird WS-6. Really let the Nebraska out of me, you know? Those are big V8s.
[01:28] They look cool. You can get a lot of Mustang for 30 also, like a lot of Mustang. V8 manual, those are cool cars. They drive well too. Modern Mustangs drive really well. I don't know if, yeah, I would probably rather have a Mustang
[01:41] than an S2000. It's depending on how new I could get it. Yeah. Don't the Mustangs have the stereotype though of always being at the car meets and getting an accident. Totally. But S2000s have a stereotype, right? What stereotype. What stereotype.
[01:53] You know? Oh no, I don't know. I like the tuner culture, you know? Like all your wanted to. Oh, yeah. Kids like, you know, like there's, there's, there's, I feel like every car has something. I will say for 30, if I'm trying to buy something fun,
[02:05] I would definitely focus on American or Japanese. The Euro cars you can get for 30 are gonna break your heart. Like they're awesome. They're awesome. Like 92 M3s and even porches are getting into that range.
[02:17] You know, boxers and camons and, but they're all gonna be more expensive to own and kinda deal with compared to the American and Japanese stuff. Now, if you got an ND, we go back to depreciation, right? Spend 30 grand on an ND. Early NDs are $14,000 cars.
[02:30] So instead of paying the money in repairs, you're gonna probably lose an depreciation. So you gotta find like the kind of mixed medium there. What do you think is the biggest head turner that you could buy for 25,000?
[02:42] 50,000? I'm about to do a video on this. 100,000, 250 and a million. Okay, 25, you can buy JDM fire trucks. Japanese market fire trucks all day long.
[02:54] So there's a Toyota Land Cruiser. The back half is cut off and instead fire equipment. They're bright red. They have 6,000 miles because they were used in Japan, which is compact to fight fires.
[03:06] So they would go down the road, fight a fire, come home, two miles every day. You can buy one of those all day long for 25. If you wanna turn heads, wow. That's what you do. 50, you know what turns heads at 50?
[03:19] There was a car called the T-Rex, which looks like a motorcycle car kind of situation. That turns a lot of heads for 50. It looks like the Polaris slingshot, but it's like even crazier
[03:31] and it's a more focused driving experience. That definitely would turn a lot of heads for 50. I think those are like in the 30s. Getting above that, 7,500, like I really feel that one of the biggest head turners
[03:44] in that price range is a Lotus Esprit, which I think turn as many heads as a Kuntosh for one-sixth of the money, and they are awesome to drive.
[03:56] Servicing is a different conversation. For sure, those are difficult cars to own, but that car turns all the heads. It's gotta look at the same low, flat, wide feel as a Kuntosh, the same wedge shape, very, very special cars.
[04:10] And I don't understand why they haven't taken off. Later ones used to V8, they actually have a lot of power. They're actually really fun to drive. And despite the fact that they had a V8 and they were bigger, they kind of drive like in a lease.
[04:22] Above that, like the million dollar price point, if you wanna turn them both. Let's do the 250. 250, 50 range. So 150 to 300. 250, you can get McLaren's at 250 in Huracans
[04:34] that still turn heads, although not, it depends where you live. You drive a Huracan around Miami, probably in Vegas. Nobody looks at those, you know? Everyone thinks they're a rental. Everybody thinks they're a rental, yeah.
[04:46] And nobody really looks at them. Even a million's hard, like, who's how do we turn a turn? Like a million bucks, the Jaguar XJ220. Yes. If I saw one of those on the road, I would literally do anything to turn around and go get up.
[04:58] Like I would kill someone to go and turn around and go get a picture and like talk to the dude. But a lot of people, I don't think would notice it. Like it's an older car. Yeah. If you're trying to turn like general heads, the Kuntosh does an amazing job of it.
[05:10] And they're under a million. It is incredible to me how many people freak out when they see a Lamborghini Kuntosh? That there are cars like that one that have gone beyond the automotive enthusiasm
[05:22] and have reached like cultural icon status like a DeLorean honestly. That's another car that probably should be mentioned. Oh, like DeLorean, that's an amazing car. People freak out when they see a DeLorean Auto Kuntosh or certain cars that humors, like everybody knows what a original
[05:34] like military Hummer, like there are certain cars that just like permeated the culturals like guys to be on just the automotive one. And those cars always bring a lot of attention. I'm stunned how many people freak out about the Kuntosh.
[05:46] People just really, really, really are so excited. What's the craziest reaction you've gotten in the Kuntosh? I had a guy almost hit the car in front of them. I've never had someone actually do that, but he was like, this close. He was like, I haven't seen DeLorean Auto.
[05:58] But people just, they absolutely lose it. They get so excited. They're following you, taking pictures, you know, that kind of stuff. Have you had any like scary moments though? I don't love like some of the risks people are willing to take to get photos
[06:10] of some of the cars for sure. People are, people are sometimes a little bit excessive and it's like, you know, crossing crazy traffic or whatever, trying to get the right angle or shot hanging out of cars. And that does scare me a little bit, yeah, for sure.
[06:23] Yeah, I had a really scary moment. You know those little motorcycle gangs? Yeah. Where there's like, if you have them, and they do like a street takeover, the one time I was driving the Ford PT, that's what.
[06:36] I make a right onto this very wide four lane street going up from the strip and immediately behind me, I see all of these kids and those weird like little motorcycle things, and they blow through
[06:49] the red lights. And they're catching up to me and I'm like, oh, I should think about the mirrors aren't I? Production anymore. Yes, they fell off. And literally they surrounded the Ford GT, surrounded it.
[07:01] And they were driving straight, but the kid was like, back like this, not looking, taking a video of the car and all the kids, I didn't tell you, all the kids were going nuts over this thing. And then yelling at me like,
[07:14] rev it, rev it, do a burn out like this. And I'm just sitting there doing it. No, you think I did? I was surrounded, there's like 40. They were all in front of me. And there's a red light.
[07:26] And I'm like slowing down to the red light and wondering, are they gonna slow down too? And they slowed down with me at the red light. And they stopped at the red light to look at the car and they're taking videos and they got the light turned green and they went forward and they went ahead of me.
[07:41] But for a moment there, I was petrified that like all it takes is one of them to just flip over. And then there are 10 feet in front of me with that. And I hit one of them. Right. That car scares me because so many parts
[07:53] are not available anymore. Yeah, as long as you keep it shiny side up and you keep it moving, it's like all good. But like any accident, it's like you're like years into figuring out how to deal with that. And that scares me about that car. I am surprised how much interest that car brings.
[08:07] In my world, among my cars, I'm very privileged to say that it's like my beater supercar. Like it's the one I drive to tennis. It's the one I pick up the dog from doggy daycare. And often I forget how special it is out in the real world.
[08:19] You never see them. You never see them anymore. I never see them anymore. And people don't let me forget. Like I'll be driving it just like this is my, you know, I'm blue to their conditioning. And that's the other thing. It's pretty dribble car. So it's not like some of these cars that like you're making so many compromises to use it
[08:33] that you are being constantly reminded what you're driving. Forge is pretty usable. And so I'll be sitting there driving it to dogs next to me or whatever I just picked up, you know, picked up the mail. And people like freaking out. I'm like, what? I'm like, oh yeah, I'm in the Ford GT.
[08:47] I forgot. It's the perfect car though. I mean, it's like the cultural icon of that time. It's American. It's got to be built in America. Built in America got the V8 drivable, reliable, and it's Ford.
[09:00] And the parts, I mean, the parts that you can find are cheap. Very reasonable. I have to replace the little struts for the back thing. And it was like a hundred and something dollars for the part and then plus like an hour of labor.
[09:14] The only drawback to that car that I think would make it like the perfect car. There's just storage at all. Be nice to have a little storage, just a little. But I can't see how that wouldn't be worth a million dollars one day. Yeah. The only thing keeping it potentially keeping
[09:27] a back is production numbers. It's a, that car hangs in a weird place. Most of the other super cars that have gone up like it has, their production numbers are in the one to 2000 unit range.
[09:39] And then you have cars like the inventor of the Huracan that were kind of built without regard to production number that were just built as many as they could sell. There's actually not a lot of super cars in the Ford of, Ford of 6000 range. The BMW Z8 is another one that's kind of has this weird
[09:52] in the production range. And the market has never really known how to treat that car. It's very cool, it's very special. However, there's a lot of them. The Ford GT seems to have, seems to have beaten out. Like it should, it's worth more than it should be
[10:04] given how many there are and how available they are. Just because I think it is so special and the design is so special. And it is unbelievable that they were able to make the 60s car with all the modern regulations still look like that.
[10:17] But I agree with you, I have, I think that car is continues to be valuable. I sometimes think about selling mine because I have these other cars, but it's like, why? It's going up, it costs nothing to own and I still love using it. And by the way, quick thanks to our sponsor,
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