Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Infinity Castle (2025)

[00:00] Hi everyone and welcome to the Cognitive

[00:01] Recalibration podcast. As always, I'm

[00:03] your host Shvin.

[00:04] >> Hello.

[00:05] >> We've got Kar here with us.

[00:07] >> Welcome.

[00:08] >> Torren is not here with us because he

[00:10] still hasn't seen um what we're

[00:13] reviewing today. So

[00:15] >> disappoint.

[00:16] >> What we thought we would talk about was

[00:19] uh is the phenomenon that has become

[00:21] Demon Slayer. So

[00:24] >> massive phenomenon. In particular, we're

[00:26] going to focus our discussion mostly on

[00:28] the movie Infinity Castle, but we will

[00:29] talk about the series as well uh in

[00:33] mostly in summary and we will jump to

[00:35] spoilers later, but we'll keep it

[00:36] non-spoiler for now cuz a lot of people

[00:39] may not have seen this yet. But a bit of

[00:41] background about the movie, particularly

[00:43] how just highlighting how successful

[00:45] this actually is.

[00:46] >> Hey, is this your is this first anime

[00:48] we're doing on this channel? It's we've

[00:50] done bits of anime as like I've

[00:52] mentioned it as like sub reviews like it

[00:55] hasn't been a main

[00:57] >> main review. Okay, cool.

[00:59] >> This is the first time we're devoting an

[01:00] actual full episode to

[01:02] >> Hopefully we get a new audience.

[01:03] >> Let's see.

[01:04] >> We'll find out. You're going to have to

[01:05] milk this algorithm

[01:06] >> in terms of how successful it is. So,

[01:08] just a couple of stats. Firstly, um it's

[01:11] made on a budget of 20 million. Box

[01:14] office worldwide at the moment 730

[01:17] million. And just to put that into

[01:19] perspective, what that means this year,

[01:23] it's Outgross,

[01:25] How to Train Your Dragon, the live

[01:27] action.

[01:28] >> I totally forgot that was a movie.

[01:30] [laughter]

[01:30] >> F1. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[01:32] >> Superman, Mission Impossible: Final

[01:34] Reckoning, and Fantastic 4.

[01:37] >> Yeah. Wow. Okay.

[01:38] >> So, it's across all of them. The only

[01:40] ones that are above it are Jurassic

[01:43] World which

[01:44] I guess Jurassic movies always make

[01:46] money. Oh, the Scarlet. Yeah. What's

[01:48] that? [clears throat]

[01:48] >> Rebirth.

[01:49] >> Rebirth.

[01:50] >> Yeah.

[01:50] >> Oh, I actually need to watch it, but

[01:52] >> it's not good. [laughter] Not good.

[01:55] >> Um, Minecraft, which I guess is has its

[01:58] own

[01:58] >> Oh, yeah.

[01:59] >> big fan base. Um,

[02:00] >> how much did that make?

[02:02] >> 957 million.

[02:03] >> But what was the budget?

[02:04] >> Minecraft. Oh, it would be more than

[02:06] this for sure.

[02:07] >> So, on like percentage basis, it would

[02:09] be through the roof, right?

[02:11] >> Minecraft was 150 million budget.

[02:13] >> Yeah. So, this would take it home.

[02:15] >> Yeah. In terms of

[02:15] >> What is this? This is 3,000% profit.

[02:18] >> 22. What's that?

[02:20] >> It's like 35 times.

[02:21] >> Yeah, that's right.

[02:23] >> 35,000.

[02:23] >> Yeah.

[02:24] >> Holy [ __ ]

[02:25] >> Yeah.

[02:26] >> Uh Lilo and Stitch.

[02:27] >> No. 3,500. Sorry. Yeah. Anyway,

[02:29] >> Lilo and Stitch um made a billion. So

[02:32] that's number two. And uh number one is

[02:35] another animated movie. Um that's not in

[02:38] English. So Nazar 2 from China.

[02:41] >> Wait, Lilo and Stitch made what? A

[02:43] billion.

[02:43] >> A billion. the live action and stitch.

[02:45] >> I didn't hear about the one I knew it

[02:47] was a movie, but I didn't hear that it

[02:49] was that popular.

[02:50] >> Yeah, it was.

[02:51] >> What? Okay.

[02:52] >> It's actually one of the better live

[02:54] action movies.

[02:55] >> Like in terms of what's what Disney has

[02:57] done,

[02:58] >> one of the better ones. Um, still

[03:00] >> probably not

[03:01] >> unnecessary, man. What's wrong with

[03:02] Disney? Seriously.

[03:04] >> But yeah, the highest grossing film so

[03:05] far this year is Near 2 from China. Um,

[03:09] 2.2 billion.

[03:10] >> What the hell is that about? What is

[03:12] that movie? Um, it's an an I've seen it.

[03:14] It's an animated uh Chinese film about a

[03:17] also a demon. A human demon.

[03:20] >> So like fantasy genre.

[03:21] >> Yeah.

[03:21] >> Okay.

[03:22] >> Yeah.

[03:22] >> Cool.

[03:23] >> Um, sequel to what was their highest

[03:25] grossing film, Chinese film. Yeah.

[03:28] >> Interesting.

[03:29] >> So 2.2. So

[03:30] >> might need to check it out.

[03:32] >> It's It's good. Yeah,

[03:33] >> it's quite good actually. Um, animation

[03:35] is it's different to anime. I think

[03:37] Chinese animation is a little bit it's a

[03:40] little bit different, but it's it's

[03:41] still very good. Um, it's hard to see

[03:44] anything beating that actually this

[03:45] year, unless the only other movie that's

[03:47] going to probably beat it is Avatar.

[03:49] >> Is that coming out this year?

[03:50] >> Yeah, in a couple weeks.

[03:52] >> Oh, okay.

[03:53] >> Demon Slayer.

[03:54] >> Yeah.

[03:54] >> Hugely successful this year.

[03:56] >> Um, so let's get into our thoughts on

[03:58] it. So, firstly, what what do you think

[04:01] of the series as a whole before we talk

[04:03] about the movie? Um yeah, I was actually

[04:06] I enjoy the series quite a bit. Um I so

[04:10] about a year ago I was advised to watch

[04:13] Demon Slayer and so I did watch it but I

[04:16] actually got very bored at the start so

[04:17] I didn't watch it again but then after I

[04:20] watched JJK I then decided to just keep

[04:24] watching and then I knew that this was a

[04:25] phenomenon.

[04:26] >> Yeah. I think I was watching Demon

[04:28] Slayer while you watching JJK or I

[04:30] started watching Demon Slay. I think I

[04:31] just finished AJK and then you said you

[04:33] watching Demon Slayer.

[04:34] >> Yeah.

[04:35] >> And so then I was like, "Okay, I'm going

[04:36] to watch it as well." And you said it

[04:37] was very easy to you can get through it

[04:38] quite quickly. So

[04:39] >> yeah, even though it was like seven,

[04:41] whatever seasons, seven, six,

[04:43] >> five, I think.

[04:44] >> Five seasons. Yeah.

[04:45] >> But um yeah, um yeah, quite enjoyable. I

[04:49] think it's much easier as I think

[04:51] overall when it comes to animes, I think

[04:53] it's very gentle as a series compared to

[04:56] something like So JJK is very rough. It

[04:59] is like down and dirty sort of straight

[05:03] into crazy lore and crazy [ __ ] that

[05:06] happens. Demon Slayer I think takes a

[05:08] little while and introduces you to

[05:11] things much easier and so it's more

[05:13] palatable I think for a lot of people.

[05:14] That's probably why it's so popular.

[05:16] >> Um [clears throat]

[05:17] >> but yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought it

[05:19] does take a while to pick up but then

[05:21] once it starts picking up in season 2

[05:23] slash with the movie Muggan Train um it

[05:26] becomes really good. Um, and yeah, very

[05:28] easy to binge and they're quite short

[05:30] episodes. So, um, I think I b I binge

[05:32] like four seasons in one day. So,

[05:35] >> yeah.

[05:35] >> Um, so the first season has like 20

[05:39] something episodes. I think it's like 24

[05:40] episodes or something.

[05:41] >> But then after that, it's

[05:42] >> after that it's shorter. So, I think

[05:44] it's like 10 per season and the episodes

[05:46] are like 20 minutes long, maybe 22.

[05:48] They're not long. Um, so it is like once

[05:52] you get over like I think the first five

[05:54] episodes are a bit slow. Like it takes

[05:57] its time to get into it. What I find

[05:59] with Demon Slayer is it's not really

[06:01] plot driven. Like there is a plot. Like

[06:04] there's an overall bad guy that they're

[06:07] chasing, etc. But it's more character-

[06:09] driven. So there's a lot of backstory. A

[06:12] lot of it is actually backstory

[06:14] >> um for for all the different characters.

[06:16] And they kind of get you to understand

[06:18] all the different motivations of not

[06:20] just the sort of good characters, but

[06:22] also the the bad characters like the

[06:25] demons as well. They um not necessarily

[06:28] want you to like them, but at least you

[06:30] can understand where they come from a

[06:32] lot of them. So that's what I

[06:34] appreciated actually, like more the

[06:37] character depth that they go into.

[06:39] >> Yeah, that's true. They always do have

[06:41] um quite core um flashbacks for

[06:45] especially well for Tanja quite a bit.

[06:47] >> Yeah.

[06:47] >> But even like the Yeah.

[06:48] >> Even the secondary characters like the

[06:50] Hashira characters and the main demons

[06:53] that they fight as well.

[06:55] >> There's usually a

[06:56] >> it's it's interesting cuz like it kind

[06:58] of follows usually you want to end on a

[07:01] high so like you end with action but

[07:04] they always do they end with a

[07:06] backstory. So that like they basically

[07:09] kill a demon. So there's like a heap of

[07:12] action. They kill a demon, but then it

[07:14] ends with the demon's backstory and

[07:16] that's how like

[07:17] >> the seasons end essentially

[07:19] >> mostly.

[07:20] >> Yeah, actually. Does that Yeah, true.

[07:22] True. I guess Yeah. I mean, it probably

[07:25] comes down to what you were saying

[07:26] before where whoever's written this or I

[07:30] actually don't know who wrote this or

[07:31] kind of wrote this.

[07:32] >> So, it is a manga that's been that's

[07:34] done, I think, but it started in 2016.

[07:36] So that's a pretty recent like

[07:38] relatively speaking pretty recent.

[07:39] >> Yeah. So in the last like 10 years it's

[07:41] been kind of completed.

[07:42] >> Yeah.

[07:42] >> But whoever wrote it, credit to them. I

[07:44] mean like Yeah. I think their main focus

[07:46] is generally on like motivations of

[07:48] characters. So that's probably why

[07:50] >> they go that's probably why when finally

[07:53] after like a boss battle or whatever,

[07:55] they'll get to the boss and try and go

[07:58] into their, you know, what motivated

[08:00] them in the in the first place, what

[08:01] kind of caused all this. Um

[08:03] >> yeah. So it is very interesting. that

[08:05] makes it a bit different to other anime.

[08:07] So, it's not just about the action.

[08:09] Although the action is really good,

[08:11] especially I think it goes to another

[08:13] level in the movie. Um, but the action

[08:15] is always very good, but it's not just

[08:17] about the fights. It's there is um a bit

[08:21] of depth in terms of the actual

[08:22] character development as well. So, I I

[08:25] did also watch all of the seasons

[08:28] basically back to back before we watched

[08:29] the movie. Um, and yeah, like once you

[08:33] get past season one, like it's just

[08:36] there's always a hook at the end of each

[08:37] episode, so you just want to keep

[08:38] watching it. Um, my personal favorite

[08:41] was probably season

[08:44] I like both season 3 and four, so the

[08:47] Entertainment District arc and also the

[08:50] Swordsmith Village. Both of them were

[08:52] really good. The last one, the Hashira

[08:54] training arc, it's more just like a

[08:57] >> a ramp into this movie. So, it's like

[08:59] setting up for this movie. But

[09:00] >> there's no like real [clears throat]

[09:03] >> underlying arc in that that actual last

[09:05] season.

[09:06] >> I found um in my head I kind of treated

[09:11] >> um the swordsmith village and the hash

[09:13] training arc

[09:14] >> as just like part one and part two

[09:16] essentially.

[09:17] >> They very similar setting sort of stuff.

[09:21] >> Entertainment district was very cool.

[09:23] >> Yeah. Um, what's really what was really

[09:26] cool about that was the way they started

[09:29] it. They started it with introducing you

[09:32] to that hashira and then he kind of

[09:35] wait.

[09:37] Yeah. Yeah. They introduced you to the

[09:39] hashira and then he's kind of explained

[09:41] what's happened and what you need to do

[09:42] and then I think from memory at the end

[09:45] of like episode one or at the start of

[09:47] episode two it just just thrusts you in

[09:49] this scene of the entertainment

[09:50] district. It's very cool. like you're

[09:52] kind of thrown into this um secret kind

[09:56] of spy mission sort of.

[09:57] >> Yeah. And the three are like split up

[09:58] into different places as well and

[10:00] they're they're all experiencing

[10:02] different things. So it's it's

[10:04] >> Yeah, it was um No, it was very cool. I

[10:07] I definitely did enjoy that. And I think

[10:08] it's the first time it's the first time

[10:10] where you're actually going like

[10:12] hunting. Um you're actually going

[10:15] hunting. So, it's um quite cool as

[10:17] opposed to,

[10:19] you know, some demon rocks up at some

[10:21] stage. It's like, okay, now they're

[10:22] actually trying to find out more. And I

[10:24] think that's also a big hook. So, once

[10:27] season 2 is good, but once you get into

[10:30] season two is what?

[10:31] >> Season two is Muggan Train technically.

[10:33] >> That's right. Yeah. Muggan Train arc.

[10:34] Yep.

[10:35] >> Yeah.

[10:35] >> Um Yeah. Once you get into season 3,

[10:37] it's it's

[10:38] >> it's like you're

[10:40] >> the focus is about demons and slaying

[10:42] those demons. It's not

[10:48] interrupt.

[10:52] >> You've already met these really cool

[10:53] hasher as well and so you're like, "Oh,

[10:55] cool." You get to know them quite a bit

[10:57] as well.

[10:58] >> That's right. Yeah. And there was It's

[10:59] good that they had a hashira, at least

[11:01] one hash in each of the seasons after

[11:04] that. And I think Muggan Train was

[11:05] important because um spoilers for Mugan

[11:08] Train but they do the stakes are sort of

[11:11] set up by that movie because like

[11:13] Hashira dies in that movie. So like

[11:15] basically it means that anything can

[11:16] happen going forward.

[11:18] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[11:19] >> So

[11:20] >> and the cool thing is that in that fight

[11:23] where Aashira dies I mean we canok

[11:27] >> Rangoku. Yeah. I mean

[11:29] >> good luck if you if you're watching this

[11:31] and you haven't seen it. Yeah.

[11:32] >> Yeah.

[11:33] >> Bad decision. Um,

[11:34] >> definitely if you haven't seen Demon

[11:35] Slay, just go go watch the the seasons

[11:38] and the episodes now. We recommend it

[11:40] and we also recommend the movie. So,

[11:42] definitely go watch all

[11:43] >> Definitely. Definitely.

[11:44] >> So, now we'll do spoilers from

[11:46] >> We'll probably just open it up to Yeah,

[11:48] it's very hard to speak about all these

[11:49] without spoiling it.

[11:51] >> But one of the cool things in that the

[11:54] movie or at the end of that season is

[11:56] that they actually show you how p

[11:58] powerful Rangoku is as a hashira and

[12:01] then he dies. So, it's like, all right,

[12:05] you've introduced this epic character

[12:06] and then the stakes are really high for

[12:08] someone that you just kind of introduce

[12:10] as being awesome at fighting. Definitely

[12:12] better like than Tanuro to an extent.

[12:14] And um and yeah, and they just die. They

[12:18] die on you. So, it's actually it's quite

[12:20] uh Yeah. And quite an emotional kind of

[12:22] ending, but um it is it is very cool.

[12:26] >> Yeah.

[12:26] >> Yeah. And then in season 3 cuz you think

[12:29] they've killed the demon but they they

[12:32] don't like multiple times in that like

[12:34] they think they've killed it and then

[12:35] there's another demon that comes out and

[12:37] then there's one stage where like

[12:39] everyone looks like they're dead except

[12:41] Tiro

[12:42] >> um in in Entertainment

[12:44] >> Entertainment District. Yeah.

[12:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um but then

[12:47] >> and then that also happens in four.

[12:50] >> Yes. I think in

[12:51] >> four it goes it kind of goes

[12:53] >> it goes crazy where

[12:54] >> Yeah. the that is genuinely some the

[12:58] demons kind of don't even to an extent

[13:01] they don't even kind of follow any

[13:03] rules. It just becomes like this thing

[13:05] that they just can't defeat and they

[13:07] keep trying to they're going in circles

[13:09] trying to defeat this person. But um

[13:11] yeah, so you definitely it does keep

[13:13] escalating each season which is good. I

[13:15] think that's a good thing. Um, and then

[13:17] that leads us to this movie because at

[13:19] the end of the Hashia training arc, it

[13:22] basically left us on a cliffhanger. I

[13:25] don't actually know when that season

[13:26] came out because if you watched that and

[13:27] you were waiting like 2 years for this

[13:29] movie to come out, that would have been

[13:30] painful. Um, we obviously just watched

[13:32] it and then went to the movie. So, yeah,

[13:35] >> that was although I was very hype

[13:37] because at the end of that

[13:39] >> I I did enjoy the fact that so a lot of

[13:42] So, this is actually a criticism of JJK,

[13:45] right? I won't go into spoilers on JJK,

[13:47] but

[13:48] >> the JJK movie is coming out next week.

[13:51] >> Yes.

[13:51] >> Yes. So maybe we'll talk about that. But

[13:53] um

[13:53] >> so in my brain because I've actually

[13:55] unfortunately I have read the manga and

[13:58] I would not recommend it to

[13:59] >> of JJK. Yeah.

[14:01] >> JJK after so continuing on from season

[14:05] 2's ending of the anime and I read the

[14:08] manga continuation of that going

[14:09] forward. Would not recommend that. So in

[14:11] my brain it's all kind of molded

[14:12] together. But there are points in JJK

[14:16] where people do training or they take

[14:18] time to develop and there's actually

[14:22] time spent away from you can call it the

[14:24] camera or from the actual scenes that

[14:26] are shown but no one knows that and like

[14:29] kind of it's not emphasized at all and

[14:31] then you realize it

[14:32] >> stuff like offscreen.

[14:34] >> Exactly. It's like offscreen it's kind

[14:36] of all this and it's kind of stupid.

[14:38] Right. I think one of the things you

[14:40] tend to enjoy is actually having some

[14:42] time dedicated to showing the characters

[14:45] training or getting stronger or actually

[14:46] the things they go through. And I think

[14:50] one of the like for example in Harry

[14:52] Potter they do that as well where of

[14:54] well they do it in the books so the

[14:55] movie is totally trash anyway that's a

[14:57] controversial opinion but I stand by it

[14:58] but in the books they actually spend a

[15:00] lot of time when characters and kind of

[15:04] JK Rowling writes about it in multiple

[15:07] ways of just like say that you know

[15:09] Harry Hermione Ron are going through

[15:11] like months and months of just doing

[15:12] lessons and learning things and it's and

[15:15] emphasizes it's really boring and they

[15:17] get really depressed, but it's like kind

[15:18] of things that we've all been through

[15:19] when we're studying or whatever it is,

[15:21] but you know that there has been some

[15:23] development of character and they've

[15:24] kind of been through it and that's why

[15:26] they're actually better at magic at the

[15:28] end. And this is also similar. It's like

[15:29] this hush training arc. You watch all

[15:31] these people do some crazy amounts of

[15:33] training and you know

[15:35] >> uh and you watch also like some actually

[15:38] genuinely useless students actually

[15:40] become really strong quite good.

[15:42] >> So, and it all kind of links up to the

[15:44] movie. So, I actually appreciate that.

[15:46] That's actually kind of it is it also it

[15:49] it's to an extent it's kind of boring

[15:51] cuz it's training but I think it's a

[15:53] necessary evil that you need to kind of

[15:54] watch

[15:55] >> because suddenly things get really

[15:57] intense in the movie.

[15:58] >> That's right.

[15:59] >> Um

[15:59] >> and you can understand like oh these

[16:01] guys have been training so they're

[16:02] prepared for this like if you just

[16:04] jumped into the movie they'll like

[16:05] >> who the hell are these guys how they're

[16:08] fighting all these Davids. So it Yeah.

[16:09] And I think the last season was good cuz

[16:11] you also get a bit of backstory on

[16:14] >> each of the hashira. Um, so some of them

[16:16] you already get a backstory in the

[16:17] previous seasons, but like uh the stone

[16:20] hashira, like you don't know much about

[16:22] him, so you get a bit of backstory about

[16:23] him.

[16:24] >> You get a bit of backstory on

[16:27] >> the mist hash.

[16:28] >> Yeah. But you do get that in um

[16:30] swordsmith village as well, cuz he's in

[16:33] >> Yeah.

[16:34] >> Then do you get her in the love?

[16:37] >> That's also in Swordsmith, I think, cuz

[16:39] she's in that one as well. Yeah.

[16:41] >> Yeah.

[16:41] >> Yeah. I think it's only the stone one

[16:43] actually cuz you his Yeah, you get a bit

[16:45] of you still don't know much about the

[16:47] serpent dude. Um

[16:48] >> but you get a backstory about the master

[16:51] >> in that's

[16:53] >> Yes, you do.

[16:55] >> towards it like after he reveals kind of

[16:57] his plan to an extent.

[16:58] >> Yeah.

[16:58] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Um so

[17:01] it's still like it's the the good thing

[17:03] is I don't think there's much if not any

[17:06] filler in in Demon Slayer. I feel like

[17:08] everything's pretty important. there

[17:10] like you could argue maybe the you don't

[17:12] resonate with some of the comedy like in

[17:14] season one there's a bit of comedy with

[17:15] like Zenitsu and Inoske when they're

[17:18] just like

[17:19] >> generally the comedy with Zenitu is

[17:21] terrible I don't think it resonates I

[17:23] actually don't think it resonates with a

[17:25] lot of western audiences I'm not sure

[17:28] about the Japanese audience but I know

[17:31] I've heard online and I've heard from

[17:33] other people that like me they also just

[17:35] get pissed off when it's when Zenus is

[17:38] not

[17:38] >> a bit more

[17:40] I don't know, maybe just culturally

[17:42] makes more sense when you watch it in

[17:44] Japanese.

[17:45] >> I think I think in once you translate

[17:47] it, I think it just sounds actually

[17:50] pretty creepy some of the stuff he's

[17:52] he's saying.

[17:54] >> But also, I find that he's the only one

[17:56] where suddenly he just becomes an idiot.

[17:59] And there's no there's no one else in

[18:02] this whole series that just becomes so

[18:04] there's like um what's his name? uh the

[18:07] beast dude

[18:08] >> in Oscar.

[18:08] >> In Osake is generally just kind of

[18:11] cracked in the head throughout and so

[18:14] >> he's his character's kind of always like

[18:17] that but will get

[18:19] >> I think he has natural fluctuations in

[18:21] his character where he needs to get

[18:22] serious or whatever and his character in

[18:24] general is just kind of funny cuz he's a

[18:26] bit unhinged but this um Zenitu guy is

[18:29] just like

[18:30] >> he goes from one extreme to the other.

[18:32] >> Yeah. The unfortunate part is there's

[18:34] only few times until this movie where

[18:36] he's fortunately locked in the whole

[18:38] time, which is really cool. But prior to

[18:40] this, he's locked in for like bloody

[18:43] three and a half seconds for the whole

[18:45] seven or five seasons, I feel like, and

[18:47] the rest is just him being an idiot. And

[18:49] so after a while, for me at least, it

[18:51] actually got really annoying. In fact,

[18:52] when I was on Crunchyroll, I would just

[18:54] actually start skipping. I'll just be

[18:55] like, "Yeah, yeah, okay. I'll get to

[18:56] that. I'm just like so sick of this."

[18:58] >> But he does have an arc though. like

[19:00] especially in this movie as well, like

[19:02] they kind of complete what's going on

[19:04] with him a little bit. So

[19:05] >> yeah, I think I think they introduce a

[19:08] lot of the ingredients to his arc

[19:09] previously and they're actually kind of

[19:11] molded together in this movie.

[19:12] >> Yeah,

[19:13] >> maybe it is because

[19:15] >> maybe it is because that maybe they did

[19:17] get feedback that a lot of people are

[19:19] sick of this guy and they're like, "All

[19:20] right, let's let this guy kind of lock

[19:21] in for this movie and actually cuz

[19:23] there's no there's nothing stupid that

[19:25] he does in this movie."

[19:26] >> Yeah. Well, there's no scope for comedy

[19:28] in this movie. Like, it's pretty

[19:30] serious.

[19:30] >> That's true. That's true.

[19:31] >> It's pretty serious throughout. Like,

[19:32] whereas like even in Mugan Train, there

[19:34] was like a bit of bit of banter and

[19:36] stuff in that, but in this there's like

[19:38] there's no space for that. So, it's

[19:41] >> Yeah.

[19:41] >> Yeah.

[19:41] >> Well, cuz essentially the whole movie

[19:43] they're trapped in the Infinity Castle,

[19:44] which is like this

[19:46] >> dark creepy trap of a castle and there

[19:49] is

[19:49] >> filled with demons and

[19:50] >> there's no downtime. You're constantly

[19:52] being invaded by demons. So yeah, you

[19:54] can't you can't really joke around.

[19:56] You'll just die. Like if you do, you'll

[19:58] die. So

[19:59] >> um

[19:59] >> but yeah, like in season one there are

[20:01] like, you know, after they fight the

[20:04] spider family

[20:06] >> um

[20:07] >> in that in that forest, the mountain and

[20:09] then they go to this like old ladies

[20:12] place to like recover and like

[20:15] >> and there's like about two episodes

[20:18] where it's just comedy. Like it's just

[20:19] these guys in this place and

[20:21] >> stuffing around.

[20:22] >> Yeah. which is still it's still fun.

[20:24] Like I still had fun with it cuz it's

[20:25] kind of like them growing together cuz

[20:28] they kind of just meet just before that.

[20:30] >> Yeah.

[20:30] >> Um so it's still good but apart from

[20:33] that like you could argue maybe that's

[20:35] filler but apart from that I don't think

[20:36] there's any filler in any of the

[20:38] seasons.

[20:39] >> So it's it's it's well it's pretty well

[20:42] paced. Um

[20:43] >> but coming to the movie because a movie

[20:45] is a bit obviously a movie is different

[20:47] to a series like the way you structure a

[20:49] movie is different. So I would say this

[20:52] movie,

[20:54] >> you have to watch the series to to

[20:56] actually firstly understand this movie

[20:58] and also get any sort of enjoyment out

[21:01] of this. Like you'll probably appreciate

[21:03] the animation cuz the animation is is

[21:06] spectacular.

[21:07] >> Yeah.

[21:07] >> Um

[21:08] >> but you won't understand what's going on

[21:10] without watching the series.

[21:12] >> Yeah. Actually, the animation Yeah. I I

[21:15] think I even maybe mentioned it to you

[21:16] when watching it. It's like they they

[21:18] did step it up. like it's already pretty

[21:20] good in the anime and they did just step

[21:22] it up for this movie. There's a lot of

[21:24] cool like 3D animation and it's not true

[21:28] 3D like animated characters, but it's

[21:31] when you

[21:32] >> it's like interlaced between like the

[21:34] handdrawn and the 3D kind of like both.

[21:37] >> I think it's like really high frame rate

[21:39] as they're showing these 2D characters

[21:42] going through areas. They kind of pan.

[21:45] And it's like you've got a camera and

[21:46] they're actually panning across whatever

[21:48] the scenery is. I there's no as as far

[21:51] as I can tell there's very few

[21:54] animations or animes that have actually

[21:56] done that. Like I think I recently

[21:58] watched Kaiju number eight. I think

[22:00] there was some scenes where they do that

[22:01] and that's also

[22:03] >> fairly new a fairly new anime. In JJ K

[22:07] they don't do it at all. And I think

[22:09] that's a

[22:10] >> I find

[22:11] >> it's a stylistic choice. It's a

[22:13] different sort of style.

[22:14] >> Yeah. It's It feels a bit dimmed dimmed

[22:18] or like dulled compared to like I

[22:20] watched Demon Slay and then I started

[22:21] watching JJK. So

[22:23] >> compared to

[22:23] >> the colors are the color scape and

[22:25] everything is very

[22:26] >> like it's very like I don't know like it

[22:28] doesn't pop like Demon Slayer does. It's

[22:30] kind of like very neutral. But that's

[22:33] the I guess that's the style they went

[22:35] for. Yeah, the style is it is definitely

[22:38] >> the it's kind of it takes on JJK takes

[22:41] on a bit of a vintage kind of older

[22:44] >> sort of animation style and the color

[22:46] palette is like like for example if you

[22:48] remember watching like Pokemon and

[22:49] Dragon Ball Z it's that sort of color

[22:51] palette. So there's still color

[22:53] >> but Demon Slayer is like really vibrant

[22:55] colors as I said a lot of 3D animation

[22:58] high frame rate. I don't know what I

[23:00] don't know if that's probably not even

[23:02] the right term, but it's a high it's

[23:04] what would seem like a high frame rate.

[23:06] It's high FPS [laughter] is like you

[23:09] know animation. Um which is very cool

[23:11] and that was a cool thing. So when I

[23:12] went I watched JJK first that was the

[23:14] first anime I've actually properly seen

[23:16] apart from you know the childhood

[23:18] Pokémon and uh Dragon Ball Z.

[23:21] >> Um

[23:22] >> yeah going from JJK to this this was

[23:24] actually refreshing because of the the

[23:27] animation style was different. a lot of

[23:29] colors and stuff.

[23:30] >> Yeah.

[23:30] >> But the one thing at the very start was

[23:32] that I found that

[23:34] >> there was not enough

[23:36] >> um action at the at the very start. But

[23:39] it's quickly forgiven as we said.

[23:41] >> Um once you get to season two, it's just

[23:42] >> And I guess it makes sense cuz at the

[23:44] start he's training

[23:46] to become a demon slayer. So he's not

[23:49] like capable yet of actually fighting

[23:51] properly. So

[23:52] >> yeah, exactly.

[23:53] >> Yeah.

[23:53] >> At the start he's not even doing that.

[23:54] He's like he's just trying to get Nzo,

[23:57] his sister, from one place to another.

[23:59] >> Yeah, that's right.

[23:59] >> And then he hasn't even like thought

[24:01] about demon slaying or any of that

[24:02] stuff.

[24:02] >> And then he like runs into Guillu and

[24:04] then that's how he gets introduced into

[24:07] becoming a demon slayer.

[24:08] >> Yeah.

[24:08] >> Yeah. So, okay, movie. Let's talk about

[24:11] it. So, there's um again, spoilers, so

[24:13] we've warned you already. So, there's

[24:15] three main arcs in the movie. Um, it

[24:18] starts off with Shobu, who's I think I

[24:22] don't know if this is right, but she's

[24:24] like the insect is it insect hashira or

[24:27] cuz she has like butterflies and stuff.

[24:29] Yeah. Yeah. So, it's her. So, she fights

[24:33] um DMA DMA the upper two.

[24:37] >> Yeah. Upper.

[24:38] >> Yeah. Um, so she you know their names

[24:40] more than other, but that does ring a

[24:41] bell. I think it might be Dama. Yeah.

[24:43] >> Yeah. So, obviously they all fall into

[24:45] Infinity Castle. um just following on

[24:47] from the end of their last season. They

[24:49] all fall into like different spots. So,

[24:50] she ends up falling where this guy is

[24:53] and they they have a fight. Um you get a

[24:56] bit of backstory for her um her

[24:58] motivation. So, it ends up being that

[25:01] >> this guy killed her sister.

[25:03] >> Yeah.

[25:03] >> Um this specific demon. So, obviously,

[25:07] >> so she becomes enraged.

[25:09] >> Yeah. Um, and you don't you don't

[25:11] actually see her like this in this

[25:13] series cuz she's always a bit like

[25:15] >> she's never angry, like outwardly angry

[25:18] in the in the series. Like you see her

[25:20] in a couple of fights and stuff and

[25:21] she's always like

[25:22] >> pretty chill, but in this she's like

[25:24] actually

[25:25] >> angry. Yeah.

[25:26] >> Yeah. Um,

[25:28] and you get a bit of backstory of the

[25:30] demon as well in terms of how he he

[25:33] became a demon. And then

[25:35] >> that probably goes for about half an

[25:36] hour. That's like the first main fight.

[25:39] Um, she dies.

[25:41] >> Uh, she she puts in a good fight, but

[25:44] they do um the difference between her

[25:46] and the other Hashier is she can't cut

[25:48] people's heads off.

[25:50] >> She can't kill people like she uses um

[25:53] >> ah

[25:53] >> like antidotes and stuff in her sword.

[25:56] Um

[25:56] >> so to poison

[25:57] >> to poison them. Yeah. Yeah. like she and

[26:00] that's how she saves like remember she

[26:03] saves um Zenitsu in

[26:06] >> the forest like he gets stung by the

[26:08] spider and he's slowly turning into a

[26:09] spider and she like neutralizes it.

[26:12] >> Uh okay. I actually can't probably

[26:13] remember this but

[26:14] >> yeah so like she specializes in that

[26:16] stuff but she doesn't have

[26:17] >> which probably links in with the whole

[26:19] insect kind of breathing or what? Yeah,

[26:21] it is insect breathing I'm pretty sure.

[26:22] >> I think so. Yeah. So but she can't kill

[26:26] demons traditionally. She can only kill

[26:28] them by poisoning them.

[26:29] >> And is her sword like is her sword like

[26:32] serrated or something?

[26:33] >> Yeah, I think so. Cuz she's I think

[26:35] she's injecting stuff.

[26:37] >> Yeah.

[26:37] >> Yeah. Cuz initially she injects him,

[26:39] right? And then he like starts breaking

[26:41] down, but then he's heals quickly.

[26:44] >> Yeah.

[26:44] >> And he becomes immune to it. So,

[26:47] >> um after he consumes her, then Canal,

[26:51] who's I guess her student, right? Cuz

[26:53] she trains with her.

[26:55] >> The younger Well,

[26:56] >> yeah. the

[26:57] >> I think essentially she's treated like a

[26:58] younger sister though.

[26:59] >> Yeah, I think so.

[27:00] >> Yeah.

[27:00] >> Yeah.

[27:01] >> Um she she turns up.

[27:03] >> I always thought of her like as their

[27:04] younger adopted sister.

[27:05] >> Yeah,

[27:06] >> essentially.

[27:06] >> Yeah.

[27:07] >> Yeah.

[27:08] >> Um so she turns up and then it actually

[27:09] just cuts there. So you don't actually

[27:11] see what happens.

[27:12] >> That's kind of the end of that little

[27:13] arc. Um so I'm assuming all of this

[27:15] stuff is happening in parallel cuz they

[27:17] they show that

[27:19] >> and then they switch over to Zenitu.

[27:22] So, at the end of the previous season,

[27:24] Zenitsu receives a letter and you don't

[27:26] actually see what it is. His u former

[27:29] co- student is now a demon upper six.

[27:33] >> Yeah.

[27:33] >> Um so he runs into him and I guess the

[27:36] next half an hour or so of the movie is

[27:38] their fight and backstory. Um so it

[27:40] turns out their master, the the Thunder

[27:43] Hashira committed suicide because this

[27:46] guy ended up becoming a demon

[27:49] >> because Yeah. So he essentially has two

[27:51] students. One is Zenitu, one is this

[27:53] other guy. The other guy gets tempted by

[27:56] essentially the dark side.

[27:57] >> Yeah.

[27:57] >> And then becomes a

[27:59] >> Who's the Who's the demon that gives

[28:00] him? Is it upper one? Can't remember. I

[28:04] think it was upper one that gives him

[28:05] the upper one.

[28:07] >> Um I think it's upper one.

[28:09] >> Yeah, it is upper one. Yeah. So yeah, he

[28:12] becomes um and it's also interesting

[28:14] because this guy can do all the forms of

[28:17] thunder breathing except the first form

[28:20] >> and can only do the first form.

[28:22] >> Yeah.

[28:22] >> But I think essentially

[28:24] >> I think essentially they indicate that

[28:26] >> the first form is the most important

[28:28] form and so it's a kind of the crux to

[28:30] thunder breathing and so that's why

[28:33] Zenitsu is kind of at the very core. is

[28:37] like the more true maybe I don't know

[28:40] true student of the master and therefore

[28:42] the more true thunder breather as

[28:45] opposed to the other guy.

[28:46] >> Yeah.

[28:46] >> But I did find it it is it is actually

[28:48] quite kind of cool. I like how these

[28:49] guys have different you know this guy

[28:51] was already a

[28:53] >> you know a demon he's a demon slayer

[28:55] with thunder breathing and then he's

[28:57] turned into

[28:58] >> and he can still use the thunder

[29:00] breathing.

[29:00] >> Yeah. He does use it right. Yeah. And

[29:03] does he have does he have different um

[29:06] like styles? Does has his style changed?

[29:09] Has he got like a demon?

[29:10] >> Yeah, because I think he has something

[29:12] while they're fighting like now with his

[29:14] demon

[29:15] >> blood or something, he has different

[29:17] powers as well as well as the Yeah.

[29:20] >> But then um Zenitsu,

[29:22] he like reveals that he's got like the

[29:24] 11th form or something like he he

[29:25] finishes him off with like a form that

[29:28] he that doesn't exist like he made

[29:30] himself.

[29:30] >> He makes Yeah.

[29:31] >> Yeah.

[29:31] >> He makes it up. Does he? Yeah, that is a

[29:33] thing right?

[29:33] >> Yeah. Yeah,

[29:34] >> because I think

[29:35] >> that happens and then um the water water

[29:40] breathing Hashira

[29:41] >> Guillu

[29:42] >> Guillu Guu also does that, doesn't he?

[29:44] >> Gu's got his own Yeah.

[29:46] >> He also creates like all these moves and

[29:48] people are just like, "What the hell?"

[29:49] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[29:50] >> Yeah. So, it's kind of

[29:50] >> No, because when um

[29:53] it's not when he first meets him, it's

[29:54] when Gu turns up again in that spider

[29:58] fight the in the first season when when

[30:00] the spider family and that's like the

[30:02] one of the lower

[30:04] >> um ranks that they fight, the the boy

[30:06] >> and um so Tandre is like basically dead

[30:11] and then this guy turns up and he does

[30:12] like the 11th form or something like

[30:14] >> Yeah. And I swear he does it I think he

[30:16] also does it in this movie. I think I

[30:18] think against Akazar he

[30:20] >> he does he also starts inventing or

[30:22] starts essentially improvising and

[30:24] starts making all these new techniques.

[30:26] >> Yeah.

[30:26] >> But yeah, it is very cool. So yeah, the

[30:28] second the second little arc in this

[30:30] movie is Zenitu versus his ex comrade.

[30:33] >> Yeah.

[30:34] >> Who is now a demon.

[30:35] >> Yeah. And he ends up beating him. Um

[30:37] >> but that's cool because this is like a

[30:39] prolonged session. First time you

[30:42] actually have how long does it go for?

[30:44] Like half an hour.

[30:45] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[30:45] >> Yeah. So half an hour worth of Zenitu

[30:47] being locked in with his eyes open and

[30:50] being locked in and actually doing cool

[30:53] stuff. I think that's

[30:55] >> I think a lot of people have been

[30:56] waiting for that cuz then Zen and it's

[30:57] just kind of badass when he locks in.

[30:59] >> When he is Yeah. Yeah.

[31:00] >> He's like when he's locked in he's

[31:02] probably cuz he

[31:03] >> he's quick.

[31:04] >> He's quick cuz remember Tano

[31:08] >> asks him how he he is so quick cuz he's

[31:10] Tre is not as quick as him when he's

[31:12] >> when he's like actually informed. So, I

[31:14] think he asks him and he like tells him

[31:16] some techniques and that's how he saves

[31:18] um at the end of the swordsmith village.

[31:21] You know how that demon's hunting down?

[31:23] It's like at the very end when the sun's

[31:25] coming up

[31:26] >> and the demon's hunting down like these

[31:28] people and you can't reach them and he

[31:29] uses that technique to

[31:31] >> to get to them. Yeah.

[31:33] >> Yeah. So, it's it's probably just this

[31:35] kind of inherent thunder breathing

[31:36] that's making him like do all this. I

[31:39] mean, ultimately, you're lightning,

[31:40] right? Yeah.

[31:41] >> As quick as Light is, so it kind of

[31:43] makes sense. Thematically it makes

[31:44] sense. This guy's quick as hell.

[31:46] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[31:47] >> Yeah.

[31:48] >> So, I think that was a good fan service

[31:50] moment as well. Like that that fight is

[31:51] pretty cool. Like their their fight.

[31:53] >> Yeah.

[31:53] >> I think anything with the Thunder

[31:54] Breathing like when it when it's done

[31:56] well, it's pretty cool.

[31:58] >> It is very cool.

[31:58] >> Very satisfying.

[32:00] >> So then then you get to the third arc

[32:02] which is um

[32:04] >> 90 minutes.

[32:04] >> Yeah. Which is most of the movie

[32:06] actually. So Akaza

[32:08] who returns from

[32:11] um Muggan Train essentially like he's in

[32:14] he's in a couple of other seasons but

[32:16] he's back again and then he's obviously

[32:18] remembers Taniro so he runs into Tan and

[32:22] Guillu um and they have an extended

[32:24] fight like there's a pretty cool part

[32:26] where Guillu and him are fighting and

[32:28] like Tandra is just watching cuz he's

[32:30] like

[32:31] >> I can't keep up with these guys

[32:32] >> trying to figure out Yeah. Exactly.

[32:34] >> Yeah. Um, but

[32:36] >> then and then it's kind of cool because

[32:37] then eventually in the fight then Tanger

[32:40] kind of takes it to the next level and I

[32:42] think Guillu is just like, "Okay, I have

[32:44] no role in this fight anyway." It's kind

[32:46] of they're always kind of back and forth

[32:48] this this kind of fight. But the cool

[32:50] thing I think in in this is that you

[32:54] actually you're actually worried because

[32:56] well the upper three he's taking on two

[32:59] essentially Hasher. I mean Tanger is

[33:01] essentially Hashi right now,

[33:02] >> right? Yeah.

[33:03] >> And he's like dominating them and it's

[33:05] like well this is kind of this is kind

[33:07] of

[33:07] >> and you already know that this guy's

[33:09] already killed a hashira in

[33:10] >> he's already killed Yeah. He killed

[33:13] so you know that he's capable of doing

[33:15] that. So like and I I actually thought

[33:17] at one stage like they're obviously not

[33:19] going to kill Taniro so maybe they're

[33:21] going to kill Guu but

[33:23] >> he doesn't. And you also know that Akaza

[33:25] means business because

[33:27] >> at some point I think it's in

[33:30] >> um Hashi training at the start of Hashi

[33:32] training arc or at some point in Hash

[33:33] training arc

[33:34] >> at the very start actually they they go

[33:35] into Infinity Castle they show all of

[33:37] the um upper ranks and yeah

[33:39] >> he like punches the second guy in the

[33:41] head, right? Like he like

[33:43] >> Yeah. Well, cuz they just kind of just

[33:45] comes in says he's he's sick of all

[33:48] these guys. Says he's going to kill Men.

[33:50] >> Yeah.

[33:51] >> And kill upper rank one and two. Yeah.

[33:53] >> And so you're like, "Okay, well, holy

[33:55] shit." Like this guy is clearly not

[33:58] afraid of anyone above him.

[34:00] >> But I think he doesn't respect two cuz

[34:03] he punches him in the head,

[34:05] >> but he does respect one cuz one turns up

[34:07] and he doesn't do anything.

[34:08] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[34:09] >> Yeah. But it's um Yeah, it's kind of

[34:12] cool. I Which also makes me think that I

[34:15] think that Akaz probably in reality he

[34:19] probably should be

[34:20] >> I think they might end up being He's

[34:21] probably two. Yeah,

[34:22] >> he's probably at two's level or maybe

[34:24] even higher. But yeah,

[34:26] >> we haven't seen much of one, like not

[34:29] much at all. So, you don't really know

[34:30] what he's

[34:31] >> he's about.

[34:32] >> I think that's next movie.

[34:33] >> Yeah, he's one. So, he must be like

[34:35] super powerful.

[34:36] >> I It's got to be next movie, right?

[34:38] Because the ones the ranks that you only

[34:41] care about are two, one, and man.

[34:45] >> Yeah. Well, those are the only ones

[34:46] left. What am I saying? Um man, man,

[34:49] >> man. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, those are the

[34:53] only ones ones that are left now cuz

[34:54] they killed um

[34:56] >> Well, there's all these other

[34:56] >> R there's the the the girl that plays

[35:00] the Yeah, she's four. Yeah, she's four

[35:02] now.

[35:02] >> Yeah. I have a feeling that

[35:05] >> maybe the next movie is going to be

[35:07] >> upper rank four, two and one.

[35:11] >> Yeah. And that what groups are left

[35:14] because like we haven't seen anything

[35:16] from um

[35:17] >> this

[35:17] >> Mitsuri and the serpent guy.

[35:21] >> Yeah. So serpent dude.

[35:22] >> Yeah. So those two are together. And

[35:24] then um

[35:25] >> stone stone hasher and wind hashira.

[35:29] >> Wind no mist hashira. Yeah. They're

[35:31] together.

[35:32] >> But we they have had enough of an arc

[35:35] that they may not focus on them. But

[35:38] Stone is the most powerful.

[35:39] >> Yeah. So the most powerful

[35:41] >> and we haven't really seen him in

[35:43] >> We haven't seen him go crazy yet.

[35:45] >> Yeah. So I think we'll get a bit of him.

[35:46] And then um

[35:48] >> Yeah.

[35:49] >> I want to see a lot of these guys just

[35:50] go all out and if they die they die. But

[35:52] I just want to see them at max powers.

[35:54] Just just going [ __ ] toeto toe with

[35:57] Yeah. Just going absolutely.

[35:58] >> Well, I think what will happen is

[36:00] >> cuz um Tanger is pretty beaten up now.

[36:04] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[36:04] >> So, I don't think he's taking on any

[36:06] upper ranks, but I think he'll take on

[36:08] man. I think that's what he's going to

[36:10] do next. Um, like directly.

[36:12] >> I reckon there has to be upper rank one

[36:16] and Tanger have to clash because upper

[36:18] rank one is a sunbreather.

[36:21] >> Yeah. Do we know that?

[36:22] >> But he has the earrings. He's got the

[36:24] earrings.

[36:24] >> He's got the earrings. And those are the

[36:26] earrings that he gave to Tano's dad

[36:29] >> in that flashback. I'm pretty sure there

[36:32] is a flashback in like

[36:35] uh oh there's that there's that thing

[36:37] how he's seeing other someone else's

[36:39] memories right?

[36:40] >> There's this there's a part in one of

[36:42] the seasons where he starts seeing

[36:45] >> like not his own memories like someone

[36:47] else's memories

[36:48] >> like an inherited memory from like his

[36:50] dad or something.

[36:51] >> Yeah. Because I know there's this there

[36:53] is this memory that his dad has of this

[36:57] this guy that looks like upper rank one

[36:59] visiting them and helping them out in

[37:01] some way and he has the sun breather

[37:05] earrings on and his dad doesn't have

[37:06] those earrings on

[37:07] >> at that time

[37:08] >> that time which makes me think and he

[37:10] thanks him for helping him

[37:12] >> I reckon that

[37:13] >> is that upper rank one or is that the

[37:15] other you know in swordsmith's village

[37:18] where's where there's that doll that

[37:20] they're practicing on. And it also looks

[37:23] like like it's got long hair and it

[37:25] looks like

[37:26] >> I think these are all the same person.

[37:28] >> Yeah,

[37:28] >> I'm pretty sure

[37:30] >> at some point it's going to be revealed

[37:32] that man was able to convert this OG

[37:37] Hashira Sunbreather into a demon

[37:39] somehow.

[37:40] >> So guys have who have read the manga,

[37:42] they'll they'll know.

[37:44] >> No, no. Don't no one spoil anything.

[37:46] >> Don't spoil stuff in the comments cuz I

[37:49] have to read them.

[37:50] >> [laughter]

[37:50] >> You should just not read the comments.

[37:52] >> Um, so yeah, but

[37:54] >> that's my theory. I It's got to be It's

[37:56] the same exact hairstyle.

[37:59] >> There's probably some connection for

[38:00] sure. So yeah, maybe they do meet.

[38:03] >> It's got to be Tangro versus

[38:05] >> I also think the Stone Husher will fight

[38:07] upper one.

[38:08] >> I think that's what will happen. Yeah.

[38:10] >> Yeah. Maybe it will be like one of those

[38:13] Maybe it'll be like Tundra and Stone are

[38:15] taking on this this guy and then

[38:18] >> at some point there's it's got to be

[38:20] some poetic [ __ ] Don't do I just hope

[38:23] they don't do what Game of Thrones did

[38:25] where you knew there was supposed to be

[38:26] interactions between characters that

[38:28] would have been unreal and they just

[38:30] bloody didn't do it. And it was like

[38:32] well [ __ ] you guys. You guys have

[38:34] stuffed the whole thing. There was

[38:36] nothing left. You stuffed it anyway and

[38:37] you still didn't do the things that it

[38:39] was supposed to happen. I I reckon it's

[38:41] it should happen. There should be this

[38:43] upper rank one should at some point

[38:45] >> I think two

[38:48] >> I don't really I honestly don't really

[38:49] care about two.

[38:50] >> Yeah. I I don't I think Canal

[38:52] >> will Well, she won't beat him by himself

[38:54] cuz she's

[38:55] >> Well, I think it'll be Canal and Beast

[38:57] Breathing. What's his name?

[38:58] >> Inos.

[38:59] >> Yeah, it could be

[39:00] >> because he hasn't done anything yet.

[39:01] >> He has done anything yet.

[39:02] >> He's just been [laughter] he's just been

[39:04] a nuisance.

[39:05] >> Are there any other hash left? Maybe the

[39:08] the other two the um

[39:09] >> so the other hash So who's the guy that

[39:12] uses the gun? Who's the guy that uses

[39:14] the gun?

[39:14] >> Gen's brother.

[39:16] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[39:17] >> Needs to be

[39:18] >> Yeah. He hasn't done anything yet.

[39:19] >> Hasn't done anything. And even we

[39:20] haven't seen Genya do much yet either. I

[39:24] have a feeling they're both going to be

[39:25] together.

[39:26] >> Yeah. Cuz they're both

[39:27] >> kind of hate each other. They both hate

[39:29] each other.

[39:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. So it would make sense for

[39:31] them to come together.

[39:33] >> And then Genya's brother also hates

[39:34] Tangero. He's been banned from Tandra's

[39:37] been he like punched him and Yeah.

[39:39] [laughter]

[39:40] >> Well, he's always hated him. He's always

[39:42] hated him because like the first time

[39:43] they meet him, he's stabs um Nezo.

[39:46] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

[39:47] [laughter] Yeah. Yeah.

[39:48] >> Yeah. Um Yeah. So, that would be Well,

[39:52] they're still the um upper rank four as

[39:54] well, the the lady, so they'll have to

[39:56] beat her.

[39:57] >> Um Okay. So,

[39:59] >> and then Yeah. Okay. I mean, that pretty

[40:01] much covers. I don't I have a feeling

[40:04] they're not gonna really focus on the

[40:07] girl, the love breathing girl.

[40:10] >> I think her and um

[40:11] >> Oh, snake dude.

[40:12] >> I think they'll they'll have something

[40:14] to do together.

[40:15] >> Yeah.

[40:16] >> Yeah.

[40:16] >> The snake dude seems powerful as well.

[40:18] >> Yeah. I think

[40:19] >> a lot of these guys Yeah. They just

[40:21] like,

[40:21] >> you know, they they at least in the

[40:23] series they've exhibited like this aura

[40:25] being really powerful.

[40:26] >> Yeah.

[40:27] >> Yeah.

[40:28] >> And they've been training Genu's brother

[40:30] and

[40:31] >> and the

[40:33] serpent breathing guy.

[40:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. And also um the mist cuz he

[40:37] joins them afterwards as well. Yeah.

[40:39] Yeah.

[40:39] >> They've all been training. So

[40:41] >> yeah. Um No, it's good. It's good. I'm

[40:45] excited.

[40:46] >> Yeah. So two more movies.

[40:48] >> Um

[40:49] >> wait, have we probably explained the

[40:51] last arc?

[40:52] >> Oh, yeah. So let's let's finish with

[40:54] that first. So actually

[40:56] all the fighting happens but the last I

[40:59] would say the last 40 minutes of the

[41:00] movie is actually the backstory of

[41:02] Akaza.

[41:03] >> Yeah.

[41:03] >> Um

[41:04] >> it's a super tragic backstory. Like

[41:07] probably the most tragic backstory that

[41:08] any

[41:09] >> demon has had. Yeah.

[41:11] >> Um it almost like

[41:13] >> almost redemptive for him. Like even

[41:15] though he's like gone and killed a

[41:16] hashira and like you know all the stuff

[41:18] he's done,

[41:19] >> you still feel sorry for this guy at the

[41:21] end. Yeah.

[41:21] >> Um at the end of all of that stuff. I

[41:23] think I think that whole 40 minutes is

[41:25] supposed to be his redemption.

[41:27] >> Yeah,

[41:27] >> cuz he he does kind of redeem himself in

[41:29] that. He just kind of

[41:30] >> he just kills like essentially

[41:32] >> I think he realizes what he's done, has

[41:34] a flashback to his past and kind of

[41:39] converts into his original self to an

[41:41] extent or it's kind of like it's kind of

[41:43] this thing which is essentially a

[41:45] cleansing of the soul that's happened.

[41:47] Well, when they introduce him, like when

[41:49] he's first introduced as a human, he's

[41:52] also not a good guy. Like he's like a

[41:54] thief. And although he's doing it for

[41:56] his dad, like his dad was sick.

[41:57] >> He's more of like a a sneaky sort of

[42:00] dude.

[42:00] >> Yeah.

[42:01] >> You know, he's that classic kind of

[42:02] story of like someone that's really

[42:04] poor, has people in his family are

[42:05] struggling, and therefore is willing to

[42:07] like steal things in order to,

[42:10] >> you know, help family out even though

[42:12] it's the wrong thing to do.

[42:13] >> So, it's more our desperation. I

[42:15] wouldn't say he's evil, but yeah, he's

[42:16] not doing the right stuff.

[42:18] >> Yeah. But then he meets like a couple of

[42:20] people and they like sort of transform

[42:22] his life and he's finally starting to

[42:24] become like a a good person and then

[42:28] tragic stuff happens again and then he's

[42:30] he's turned he's not even turned into a

[42:32] demon like voluntarily like he just runs

[42:35] into man and then he turns into like

[42:37] turns him into a demon.

[42:39] >> Yeah.

[42:39] >> Yeah. So like it's not like he wanted to

[42:41] um

[42:42] >> Yeah.

[42:42] >> Yeah. I think you also tend to know who

[42:44] the strongest ones are by who they're

[42:46] converted by, right?

[42:47] >> Yeah.

[42:48] >> And I think if you're converted by

[42:49] >> I think all the uppers would have been

[42:50] converted by man directly. Yeah.

[42:54] >> And all Yeah. I mean like that upper

[42:55] rank six, the new guy that just got

[42:57] defeated by Zenitua, he was converted by

[42:58] one.

[42:59] >> So not as strong.

[43:00] >> Yeah.

[43:01] >> Yeah.

[43:01] >> Yeah.

[43:02] >> I think he was also six because they

[43:05] just killed six and five.

[43:07] >> So there was an empty spot. Yeah.

[43:08] >> More of a Yeah. He got a promotion under

[43:11] desperation. [laughter]

[43:12] Yeah.

[43:13] >> Um yeah. So that it ends with that. So

[43:16] basically um Akaza

[43:18] um essentially kills himself and then

[43:21] >> but it kind of in that fight as well

[43:24] >> Tangro kind of

[43:25] >> oh yeah he finds out a bit about his own

[43:27] >> he has his own little flashback and he

[43:28] also finds out how to activate a lot of

[43:31] the sun sun breathing such yeah the

[43:35] these different forms. So he does

[43:37] elevate, but I think at the end of this

[43:39] fight, they're like they are still like

[43:41] totally exhausted. Like they're they're

[43:43] cooked.

[43:44] >> So it takes it all out of them. So yeah.

[43:46] >> Yeah. That both Gu and Tan are like

[43:49] essentially completely flat by the end

[43:52] of it.

[43:53] >> One of the things I did appreciate was

[43:55] that so the master I forgot what the

[43:57] master's name is.

[43:59] >> I'll remember uh Uba Shiki something

[44:03] like that. Yeah. But his kids have like

[44:06] found a way to sneak in some crows and

[44:09] they kind of act as like this narrative

[44:12] or narrator's aid in that they kind of

[44:14] tell the audience what's happening and

[44:16] they're also kind of

[44:18] >> and they're also informing the other

[44:20] Hashira of what's happening cuz they

[44:21] inform like Shobu died.

[44:24] >> Yeah.

[44:24] >> Yeah.

[44:26] >> Yep. And they tell

[44:27] >> Yeah. And the crows tell people and they

[44:29] tell the crows to go save people and

[44:31] they do these it's it's actually kind of

[44:33] cool. They they're actually which it's

[44:35] kind of interesting cuz they're just

[44:36] little kids but they're kind of

[44:38] overseeing this whole thing. They're

[44:39] like team manager over here on the side.

[44:40] >> They're trying to like plot out a map of

[44:42] the Infinity Castle. So it's

[44:43] >> Yeah.

[44:44] >> Yeah.

[44:44] >> And ultimately so I I did appreciate

[44:47] that it's not just like all these people

[44:49] just fighting. You also have this kind

[44:50] of overview and everything is still

[44:52] linked. So they're the kids of the

[44:53] master. episodes is it's like they're

[44:55] continuing on and they have their own

[44:57] little they have their own little

[44:58] backstory. Like there's some flashbacks

[45:00] for the son.

[45:01] >> Yeah.

[45:01] >> Him trying to like live up to be like

[45:03] the dad. It's pretty cool. It's actually

[45:04] quite cool.

[45:06] >> So there's a lot it's a lot in the

[45:07] movie. There's a lot

[45:09] >> two and a half hours and it's

[45:11] >> there's no down time. It's like

[45:12] >> it's pretty full on.

[45:13] >> Yeah. It's it's all back to back. So

[45:16] >> um

[45:17] >> but I will say like you won't appreciate

[45:20] this movie if you haven't seen the

[45:22] series. Well, you understand absolutely

[45:23] nothing. You can't.

[45:25] >> And it's also not structured like a

[45:26] movie. It's structured more like a

[45:28] season of the show cuz it just ends and

[45:31] you know that there's more coming,

[45:32] >> but it's it just ends. So,

[45:34] >> and also it's kind of

[45:36] >> when So, at the end of the last season,

[45:41] all these guys seem to have So, man

[45:44] rocks up to kill the master and the

[45:47] master essentially does a suicide bomb

[45:49] to try and trap him. kind of traps him

[45:52] and then this Tamayo girl also kind of

[45:56] traps him and then all the hash come and

[45:58] are all fighting man.

[45:59] >> Yeah.

[46:00] >> And then suddenly he activates like his

[46:01] trap card cuz he has nothing else to do

[46:03] >> to escape and then

[46:05] >> and when they all enter which is like

[46:07] that's like the hype part of this whole

[46:08] thing cuz it suddenly ends there and you

[46:10] know the movie is coming up next. So

[46:11] that's why everyone I think that's why

[46:12] everyone was so pumped for this movie as

[46:14] well. And then when you enter the

[46:16] Infinity Castle, man's gone. man's found

[46:19] a way and you kind of get hints to it as

[46:21] well throughout this movie. He's like

[46:23] trapped himself in the boughels of the

[46:25] castle somewhere to

[46:26] >> he's like regenerating his body and

[46:28] stuff.

[46:28] >> Exactly. Cuz he's been kind of injured

[46:29] by

[46:30] >> and poison and stuff as well like

[46:32] >> Yeah. So

[46:33] >> it is like if you were to just come into

[46:36] this movie, you would just be like,

[46:37] "What the hell? Who is this guy that's

[46:39] in here?" Like

[46:40] >> you won't understand anything.

[46:42] >> So you definitely need to I wouldn't

[46:43] Yeah. I wouldn't recommend this at all

[46:44] just randomly watching it. And one thing

[46:46] we haven't mentioned, and one character

[46:48] that's very important to the series, but

[46:50] not in this movie, is Nezo. Um, so

[46:54] >> yeah, true.

[46:54] >> Yeah.

[46:56] >> Yeah. I didn't realize it. Yeah.

[46:59] >> You only get like one shot of her and

[47:01] she's like recovering and that's it.

[47:03] Like she's not in the movie. Um,

[47:05] >> and I think the whole I think the way

[47:07] the cuz Nezo is ultimately the she's a

[47:12] demon but she's invincible to Sun.

[47:14] >> Son. Yeah. So she's found a way to

[47:16] >> and I think that's the thing that's

[47:18] going to string

[47:18] >> Yeah.

[47:19] >> because man wants to become like that.

[47:21] He doesn't want this weakness to son. So

[47:23] I think that's

[47:23] >> so he's essentially he's after Nzo.

[47:25] >> Yeah.

[47:26] >> Um and I think that's why he went to the

[47:28] master at the end of the season to find

[47:30] out.

[47:31] >> Um so we'll have to see what happens in

[47:34] I don't know if all of the next two

[47:36] movies will be in the Infinity Castle.

[47:38] Um the next one has to be cuz they're

[47:41] still there.

[47:42] >> They're still there. Yeah. Um, but I

[47:43] don't know if the third one will be.

[47:46] >> Yeah, true. Actually,

[47:48] >> yeah, I wouldn't mind a bit of

[47:50] >> at some stage like a change of scenery

[47:51] somewhere.

[47:53] >> Um, yeah, it would be cool. Or there

[47:56] could be different aspects

[47:58] >> to the Infinity Castle. They could make

[47:59] it more complex and actually make it go

[48:03] into the real world to an extent. So, I

[48:06] mean, yeah, there could be various

[48:07] things.

[48:08] >> Yeah.

[48:09] >> But, um, no, I was very I was I was

[48:11] impressed. I think the movie did what it

[48:14] would do. There are some things that I

[48:15] did find a bit weird in the movie. So,

[48:17] there's a lot of especially during the

[48:19] flashbacks, there's like no background

[48:21] music and it's very quiet and sometimes

[48:24] like when I was in the theater with Shra

[48:25] and I was just like hearing all these

[48:27] people like eat popcorn or whatever next

[48:29] to me was having like

[48:31] >> they brought like heaps of food. Did you

[48:33] see how much food they got?

[48:34] >> No, that's all I heard. I just

[48:36] [laughter] heard these people eating the

[48:37] whole time. They

[48:38] >> I don't know. Like they had burgers,

[48:39] fries, like popcorn. They had

[48:42] everything.

[48:42] >> I mean, look, it's 2 and a half hours,

[48:44] so I mean, fair [laughter] enough. But

[48:46] yeah, um, but I think the movie did

[48:48] everything I wanted it to do.

[48:50] >> Yeah.

[48:50] >> Like, I'm not expecting

[48:52] >> And it gets you anticipated for the next

[48:53] one as well.

[48:54] >> Exactly. I wasn't expecting this movie

[48:55] to be like a different sort of movie in

[48:58] I just wanted it to be action-packed and

[49:00] just, you know, just like more episodes,

[49:02] more content for the current story line.

[49:04] So yeah

[49:05] >> I think it did that. I don't know. I

[49:06] would

[49:07] >> Do you guys do ratings anymore?

[49:09] >> Not really. But you can do one.

[49:12] >> I don't know. What would I give this? I

[49:13] would give this like an 8 out of 10.

[49:15] >> Yeah.

[49:15] >> I mean, I rate things pretty harshly, so

[49:18] I reckon my favorite movies of all time

[49:20] wouldn't wouldn't get past they wouldn't

[49:22] get past 9.5. So, I think 8 out of 10 is

[49:24] pretty good.

[49:25] >> Yeah,

[49:25] >> that's an 8 out of 10. It's really in

[49:28] It's kind of very tied to the series.

[49:30] So, like overall the experience with the

[49:33] movie is like 8 out of 10.

[49:34] >> Yeah.

[49:35] >> Yeah.

[49:35] >> Yeah, that makes sense. Um,

[49:39] I'm just thinking of all the movies that

[49:41] have come out this year and

[49:43] >> Oh, yeah. What do you I reckon maybe

[49:45] it's the best movie.

[49:46] >> I think it might be the best. Like, I

[49:48] can't think.

[49:48] >> I watched Fantastic 4 on Disney Plus and

[49:51] immediately discontinued my

[49:54] >> subscription. After I watched it, I was

[49:56] like, there's nothing else. And I was

[49:58] not happy. I was just like, that's a meh

[50:00] movie.

[50:01] >> That's what it was. Like, it was It's

[50:03] not bad, but it was just like

[50:04] >> it's like whatever.

[50:05] >> Yeah. Whatever. I haven't seen Jurassic.

[50:07] I haven't seen Jurassic World.

[50:09] >> That's worse than that's a waste of

[50:11] time.

[50:11] >> Yeah, that's worse than Fantastic 4.

[50:12] >> It sounds like that um Chinese movie is

[50:14] quite good though.

[50:15] >> That is quite good. But again, it's like

[50:17] >> it's different.

[50:18] >> Um

[50:20] >> I think there's cultural stuff that

[50:23] >> okay, we might not be understanding.

[50:26] >> Yeah, you might not completely

[50:27] understand but

[50:28] >> from a animation and spectacle like it's

[50:31] got some crazy action as well. Really

[50:33] good. We we did watch an animated movie

[50:36] this year.

[50:38] >> The Lord of the Rings movie.

[50:39] >> I That was end of last year.

[50:42] >> Was it?

[50:43] >> Yeah. I think it was technically end of

[50:44] last year. I think we watched it. Yeah.

[50:46] >> Did you guys do a review of it?

[50:47] >> No. It was just so forgettable that I

[50:49] didn't even talk about it.

[50:51] >> Um some people are going to hate me for

[50:53] this, but I just thought it was just

[50:54] such a drag.

[50:55] >> Underwhelming.

[50:56] >> It was just such a drag. Like I was like

[50:58] >> I I thought it was very underwhelming as

[51:00] a movie. But look, if you're truly into

[51:04] it, I just think one thing that really

[51:06] pissed me off about it was that they had

[51:09] an opportunity to use really good

[51:12] animation, like really good kind of

[51:15] creative animation. They didn't they

[51:17] defaulted to like this really old sort

[51:20] of anime animation and it was like

[51:23] >> the frame rate was really low. It was

[51:26] like I was just like this is this is

[51:28] stupid. Like,

[51:29] >> yeah.

[51:29] >> I don't appreciate it.

[51:30] >> Was it like you'd see the horses like

[51:33] running and you could tell that it was

[51:34] like

[51:35] >> It looked like a flip book.

[51:36] >> Yeah, it was like

[51:37] >> it was all cut up.

[51:38] >> Yeah, it was

[51:39] >> No, I was not.

[51:40] >> And look, even the story was a bit

[51:42] whatever.

[51:42] >> The story was Yeah.

[51:43] >> Ultimately, look, I don't think there's

[51:45] I don't think um Tolken's story, it's

[51:48] just meant to be this old subplot in the

[51:51] film really, and I don't think that was

[51:53] supposed to be a standalone. There's not

[51:55] enough there to be a whole standalone

[51:57] sort of thing. But that was I think that

[51:59] was underwhelming. But I wouldn't say it

[52:00] was [ __ ] but it was underwhelming.

[52:01] >> It was just Yeah, I I just found it

[52:03] quite boring.

[52:05] >> Yeah.

[52:05] >> Um what else? So Thunderbolts. It

[52:09] Marvel's had three. So

[52:10] >> Thunderbolts was okay.

[52:11] >> Yeah, Thunderbolts was all right. Um

[52:14] I keep forgetting, but was that Cap

[52:16] Captain America movie this year?

[52:18] >> No, it was last year. I'm pretty sure it

[52:20] was last year.

[52:22] >> Brave New World.

[52:23] >> Yeah. Either way, that was bad. Doesn't

[52:25] matter. Yeah, that was that was

[52:26] genuinely underwhelming.

[52:28] >> That same thing happened. So

[52:30] >> I activated Disney Plus. Turns out the

[52:33] movie wasn't even on Disney Plus. So I

[52:35] so deactivated Disney Plus. I rented it

[52:37] out on bloody YouTube, watched it, and I

[52:39] was like, "Oh, that was just meh."

[52:42] >> Um, Superman was okay.

[52:45] >> Not bad. Not bad.

[52:46] >> Was okay, but it's also it still wasn't

[52:48] great. I wouldn't say it was great.

[52:50] >> Um,

[52:50] >> I don't think it was underwhelming, but

[52:52] it also wasn't overwhelming. Yeah,

[52:54] >> it was just kind of okay, I didn't at

[52:56] least they didn't. It was more like,

[52:58] okay, at least they didn't make a [ __ ]

[53:00] one.

[53:01] >> That was my feeling. And that was the

[53:02] same feeling with Thunderbolts was,

[53:04] okay, they're going somewhere with this.

[53:07] At least they didn't make a [ __ ] movie.

[53:08] And that for Marvel is like a

[53:10] >> at the moment it's a it's an

[53:11] achievement.

[53:12] >> Yeah.

[53:13] >> Um really, I can't think of anything

[53:15] that was I haven't seen F1. So it was

[53:18] F1.

[53:19] >> I've seen F1. So F1 if you're into I'm

[53:23] very much into F1. So F1 from a very

[53:26] technical standpoint if you're very much

[53:27] into F1 you just need to ignore all the

[53:29] technicalities and if you just go there.

[53:32] So I actually went to watch F1 by

[53:34] myself. I went to Southland and I just

[53:35] watched it because everyone I knew had

[53:37] already seen it and I just really wanted

[53:38] to watch it. It has so it's Hanzimma

[53:42] score. It's really good sound. So it's

[53:45] really good enjoyment of like soundtrack

[53:47] when you're watching it in the theater.

[53:48] Um, I'm a fan of Han Zimmer. I'm a big

[53:51] fan of Don Toiver and Don Toiver sings

[53:53] like the main he the main song that Han

[53:56] Zimmer composed or whatever which is

[53:57] part of that soundtrack that single they

[53:59] released. So that was really cool. Um,

[54:02] and just the action you could really

[54:04] appreciate how they filmed it

[54:06] >> which was crazy. I mean the way they

[54:07] were able to do that was mental. Um, so

[54:10] >> in the same way like uh Top Gun

[54:12] Maverick,

[54:13] >> same director. So

[54:14] >> yeah. Yeah. I think it was even I think

[54:16] it's way harder to do F1 than Top Gun.

[54:19] >> Yeah.

[54:20] >> Because Top Gun at the end of the day,

[54:22] Yeah. they filmed a whole lot of planes,

[54:23] but

[54:24] >> it's much ultimately you can animate

[54:27] that [ __ ] and they would have they would

[54:28] have morphed some animation into the

[54:30] filming. With F1, they did a a lot of it

[54:32] was filmed. And the way being able to

[54:35] put cameras with high definition on an

[54:36] F1 car is unbelievably hard. And then to

[54:39] be able to use the tracks that they did,

[54:41] like they were filming it. They were

[54:43] filming it with the F1 stars also being

[54:46] involved in stuff. So, it was kind of

[54:47] cool. I I really appreciate it. I

[54:49] thought it was really cool.

[54:50] >> Yeah.

[54:51] >> But better than this.

[54:55] >> F1.

[54:56] >> Yeah.

[54:58] >> Look, they're very different films. No,

[55:00] I don't think I'd put F1 as like an

[55:03] eight out of 10 to be honest. Although

[55:05] I'm putting this whole series and this

[55:06] combination as an eight out of 10, but

[55:08] if it was pretty good. Like I think I'd

[55:10] give it like a 7.75.

[55:13] >> Yeah. So pretty close. Yeah.

[55:15] >> Very close. And I definitely recommend

[55:16] watching it.

[55:17] >> Yeah. I I need to I just didn't get time

[55:19] to watch it. Um but I need to watch

[55:21] that.

[55:21] >> Oh, I actually thought that you watched

[55:22] it. Maybe I should have asked you before

[55:24] I went.

[55:24] >> No, I think I was overseas when it came

[55:26] out, so I just never got to

[55:28] >> got around to watching it. But um yeah,

[55:30] >> it's been a pretty underwhelming year to

[55:31] be honest. Like there's not not many

[55:33] great movies. Um,

[55:35] >> what else is coming out soon?

[55:37] >> The only major release now is Avatar.

[55:40] Yeah.

[55:40] >> And guess what? No one gives a [ __ ]

[55:42] about Zootopia 2 just came out like this

[55:45] week.

[55:46] >> That's DreamWorks. Is it

[55:48] >> Disney?

[55:49] >> It's Disney, is it?

[55:50] >> Yeah.

[55:51] >> What is it? Pix Pixar?

[55:53] >> No, like just Yeah,

[55:56] >> Disney animation.

[55:57] >> Oh, okay.

[55:57] >> Yeah. I I liked Zootopia 1.

[55:59] >> Zootopia 1 was good.

[56:00] >> Yeah. So maybe that. But yeah, I just

[56:03] don't see anything.

[56:04] >> Watch them. ZooW2 will come out and

[56:06] they'll do a live action ZooW1.

[56:09] [gasps]

[56:10] >> I think the whole point of some of these

[56:12] movies are they're meant to be

[56:14] animation. Like there's no you're not

[56:15] meant to make these in live action.

[56:18] >> Like Lion King, you're not meant to make

[56:20] >> all of them. Why is Moana coming out?

[56:22] >> Yeah, exactly. That's And it's also too

[56:24] soon for that to come out. Like when

[56:26] >> Way too soon.

[56:27] >> Like Moana 2 just came out. They're wait

[56:29] just watch this. Like they're going to

[56:31] make Frozen live action. They're going

[56:32] to make all these things live action

[56:34] >> purely. There must be some money

[56:36] laundering going on because

[56:38] >> surely I know like all these guys claim

[56:40] that they budget so much. They spend all

[56:42] this money doing all this stuff.

[56:44] >> I reckon there is some shelving of

[56:45] money. There's something going

[56:47] >> taxing

[56:47] >> 100%. There's something going into this.

[56:50] I I just don't understand the

[56:51] motivation. Like everyone's telling them

[56:52] not to do it. So they stuffed it. Lion

[56:54] King they stuffed it. Mulan they

[56:55] stuffed.

[56:56] >> Yeah. Moana, I just saw the trailer. I

[56:59] was watching. Why do they They've

[57:01] straightened this girl's hair out.

[57:03] >> Yeah. She has curly hair in there. Yeah.

[57:05] >> Yeah. And when he gets wet, it cures up

[57:07] and they straighten it out. I'm like,

[57:08] "Okay." But what? They've got The Rock

[57:10] as Maui.

[57:10] >> Yeah.

[57:11] >> But then they didn't cast the same girl

[57:13] >> as Moana. Yeah.

[57:15] >> That's controversial, is it?

[57:16] >> Well, I actually don't know what she

[57:17] looks like, so who knows?

[57:19] >> Um, she could be like just not the body

[57:21] type, maybe. I don't know. But still,

[57:23] you think that

[57:24] >> the pictures I saw of her, like when she

[57:26] did the first one, she

[57:28] >> she kind of she sort of looks like it.

[57:30] >> Yeah. Maybe she doesn't look like her

[57:32] now. I don't know. Um Yeah.

[57:34] >> Um Okay. And uh what else do they do?

[57:37] Live action.

[57:38] >> Uh Snow White. That came out this year.

[57:41] Snow White.

[57:41] >> Okay. Um

[57:42] >> is that trash?

[57:43] >> Yeah.

[57:44] >> Oh, yeah. That's with um

[57:46] >> Z Matty Rachel.

[57:47] >> Rachel Ziggler. Who's Mattie Ziggler?

[57:49] Someone else.

[57:50] >> Someone else. Yeah. Um, yep.

[57:53] >> Okay. Yeah. Uh,

[57:55] >> yeah.

[57:56] >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know, man.

[57:59] >> Wicked just came out, but it's not doing

[58:01] as well as the first one.

[58:02] >> Okay. Let me just say, have you come

[58:04] across these interviews?

[58:05] >> Yes.

[58:06] >> Okay. They're already weird. They're

[58:08] already weird when the first Wicked came

[58:10] out. I I did watch the first Wicked. I

[58:13] thought it was all right. like it was

[58:14] kind of interesting concept and cool

[58:16] with the music and stuff, but the

[58:18] interviews with Ariana Grande and this

[58:19] Cynthia Revo girl were already weird

[58:22] >> and then they've just gotten weirder. I

[58:24] don't understand. Are these guys just

[58:26] like afraid of like human contact or

[58:29] like it's just it's just so weird. It's

[58:31] like these people are the most sheltered

[58:32] people I've ever seen.

[58:34] >> They're always crying as well. Like I've

[58:36] just seen the one with them.

[58:37] >> They're like I think they've just like I

[58:39] think they just shove like three lots of

[58:41] MDMA every morning. And so they're just

[58:44] losing their minds when it comes to

[58:45] emotions. Like they like when someone

[58:47] said they were going to end the

[58:48] interview, they're like, "Oh, you've

[58:49] been such you've been such a light. You

[58:51] brought light into this room." I was

[58:52] just like, "Man, what sort of drugs you

[58:54] genuinely they must be on MDMA. I don't

[58:57] understand." And also, there's I'm a bit

[58:59] worried about Ariana Grande. I don't

[59:01] know what's going on with her, but she

[59:02] does not look healthy compared to how

[59:04] she looked a few years ago. And I think

[59:06] there's definitely some element of look,

[59:08] she's been through a lot a bloody like

[59:10] her ex-boyfriend like I mean McMillan

[59:13] committed suicide and she's had like

[59:15] crazy boyfriends, all sorts of stuff,

[59:16] but still it's like I don't know there's

[59:19] something there's some combination of

[59:20] unhealthiness going on there.

[59:22] >> Yeah,

[59:22] >> I don't know if Yeah, it's it's weird.

[59:26] >> I found the one with the helicopter

[59:27] really funny though. There's a

[59:28] helicopter that went over them and

[59:29] they're like, "Not now helicopter." And

[59:32] >> I did see that. Yeah. [laughter]

[59:34] Um, yeah, we watched I'll give you like

[59:36] a two-minute review of Wicked for Good.

[59:39] Um, not as not as good as the first one.

[59:42] Um, and just I just found it like

[59:44] unintentionally funny in a lot of lot of

[59:47] lot of spots. Um, the songs were not I'm

[59:50] not a I haven't seen the musical, so I

[59:52] don't know the songs that well, but I

[59:54] thought the songs in this were not that

[59:55] memorable. Um, and the story just wasn't

[59:58] that good. Like

[59:59] >> not there.

[1:00:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't reckon it's going

[1:00:01] to be cuz the first one was kind of a

[1:00:03] bit of a phenomenon. People were

[1:00:06] remembering well a lot of people started

[1:00:08] singing like the main or you know that

[1:00:10] little hook that they have in

[1:00:12] >> that Ariana Grande sings

[1:00:14] >> unlimited. Oh the other one um popular

[1:00:16] >> actually. Oh yeah, whatever. But like

[1:00:18] they I actually don't know what song it

[1:00:20] is but

[1:00:21] >> there's a lot I used to see like

[1:00:23] Instagram reels or Tik Toks of like

[1:00:24] kids, adults, everyone trying to sing

[1:00:26] these things is very popular. I I feel

[1:00:28] like it's just not going to be Yeah.

[1:00:30] [clears throat]

[1:00:30] >> Not going to hit the

[1:00:32] >> Oh, here's here's another two-minute

[1:00:34] review. Kaiju number eight. It's good

[1:00:36] anime. You should watch it.

[1:00:37] >> It's two seasons.

[1:00:38] >> New one.

[1:00:39] >> I think it's relatively new.

[1:00:41] >> And I think the manga has just finished.

[1:00:44] >> Okay.

[1:00:44] >> But

[1:00:45] >> that is like one of those shows where

[1:00:48] there's a lot it it's very good at

[1:00:50] bringing hype. So like hype moments when

[1:00:51] it comes to like clashes between people

[1:00:53] and like hyping up powers and stuff and

[1:00:55] stuff. Yeah. Very cool. Solo Leveling

[1:00:57] I'd also recommend. That's also very

[1:00:59] cool. That's also only two seasons in

[1:01:01] from that's Korean animation, but that's

[1:01:03] only two seasons in. So, there's still a

[1:01:05] lot to go. It's It's not too far gone to

[1:01:08] catch up.

[1:01:08] >> Yeah.

[1:01:09] >> But recommend that as well.

[1:01:11] >> So, one thing we didn't mention and

[1:01:13] we'll wrap up shortly, but the music in

[1:01:16] the movie in Infinity Castle also the

[1:01:19] music across the show is actually pretty

[1:01:21] good, but in the in the movie it was

[1:01:23] next level.

[1:01:24] >> Yeah.

[1:01:25] >> Um very good. Um, and lastly,

[1:01:29] the debate that everyone has regarding

[1:01:31] anime, subs or dubbed?

[1:01:35] So, I'm a subs person. I prefer to watch

[1:01:37] it in Japanese. Um,

[1:01:39] >> yeah. So, I watched the series in

[1:01:41] English dubbed.

[1:01:42] >> It was only out in Japanese for us in in

[1:01:44] the cinema, so we had to watch it in

[1:01:46] Japanese.

[1:01:46] >> Yeah. So, we had to watch it, which um I

[1:01:48] don't know, after like the first maybe

[1:01:50] 10 minutes, I totally forgot that I was

[1:01:52] not watching the English stuff, so it

[1:01:53] didn't really matter too much. And in my

[1:01:55] head, I didn't even remember that I

[1:01:56] watched it in Japanese with English sub.

[1:01:59] So, um, totally fine. I think the voice

[1:02:03] acting is not bad in the actual show in

[1:02:07] the series.

[1:02:08] >> English dub.

[1:02:09] >> Yeah. And even

[1:02:10] >> JJK English dub's been good. Kaiju

[1:02:13] number eight English dubs been good. And

[1:02:16] actually, all of them, Solo Leveling has

[1:02:18] been good as well. So,

[1:02:20] I don't know. I've got no issues. I know

[1:02:21] that there's always there's going to be

[1:02:24] some little I know the way that people

[1:02:27] it's also catered. So the English dubs

[1:02:29] are always catered to like a western

[1:02:31] audience and so they will have certain

[1:02:34] characters will have lower voices

[1:02:36] compared to other but I know with the

[1:02:37] Japanese

[1:02:38] >> bit totally different.

[1:02:40] >> Yeah. Bit more hyper

[1:02:41] >> like Dragon Ball Z with in Japanese is

[1:02:44] totally different. Like Vegeta doesn't

[1:02:45] have he has like a high pitched voice

[1:02:47] I'm pretty sure.

[1:02:48] >> Oh really? Okay.

[1:02:49] >> Yeah. I'm pretty sure Veget Oh, I might

[1:02:51] be wrong, but but well, Goku has like a

[1:02:53] really high voice.

[1:02:54] >> Yeah.

[1:02:55] >> Yeah. Which is just like if you're not

[1:02:56] used to it, you're not you're not going

[1:02:58] to be able to cope. But

[1:02:59] >> yeah.

[1:03:00] >> Yeah. I don't know. Um overall,

[1:03:03] >> I don't know. I was happy with this

[1:03:04] movie.

[1:03:05] >> Definitely recommend it. Watch the

[1:03:06] series first.

[1:03:07] >> Watch the series. Watch the series and

[1:03:09] then watch the movie. Yeah.

[1:03:10] >> It'll come out on Crunchyroll. So, you

[1:03:12] don't need If you haven't seen the

[1:03:13] series, don't rush into watching the

[1:03:14] movie. Just watch the series and then

[1:03:15] eventually you can watch on Crunchyroll

[1:03:16] or wherever.

[1:03:17] >> Yeah.

[1:03:17] >> Or Netflix. is still showing in a lot of

[1:03:20] places still out.

[1:03:22] >> Um, it's still showing here in

[1:03:24] Melbourne, but I'm sure like in Japan,

[1:03:26] it would definitely still be running.

[1:03:27] So,

[1:03:27] >> and when is the next movie going to come

[1:03:29] out?

[1:03:29] >> 2027, apparently. So, they haven't

[1:03:31] locked in on a date, but apparently they

[1:03:34] want to take their time with the

[1:03:35] animation which

[1:03:36] >> Well, to it's animation. Like, how much

[1:03:38] time do they need?

[1:03:40] >> I think they I think it takes time.

[1:03:41] Like, this movie I think it took them

[1:03:44] three years. Two or three years

[1:03:46] probably.

[1:03:46] >> Really? Damn. Okay.

[1:03:47] >> Yeah. So I think it does take a bit of

[1:03:49] time. Um but you know I don't mind as

[1:03:52] long as the quality output is there then

[1:03:55] >> I don't mind. So I would say this is the

[1:03:57] first time since the between Infinity

[1:04:02] War and Endgame that I'm this hyped for

[1:04:04] the next movie.

[1:04:05] >> Yeah.

[1:04:05] >> Yeah.

[1:04:06] >> Yeah. True.

[1:04:07] >> Yeah.

[1:04:07] >> Yeah. I'm definitely Yeah. I'm

[1:04:09] definitely pumped for the next movie.

[1:04:10] I'm also pumped I think I'm pumped for

[1:04:13] now. I'm kind of I don't know. I'm kind

[1:04:14] of a fan of I may I wouldn't say I'm

[1:04:16] like a crazy fan of anime, but I am a

[1:04:18] fan of the series that I'm watching. So,

[1:04:20] you know, JJK season 3 is coming out

[1:04:23] soon, right? When is it coming out?

[1:04:25] >> The Well, the movie is coming out next

[1:04:27] week, which is the end of season 2 and

[1:04:30] the start of season 3.

[1:04:31] >> Yeah.

[1:04:32] >> And then the actual season 3 is in

[1:04:33] January, I think. So, yeah.

[1:04:36] >> So, is it Jiu-Jitsu Kaisen Movie 1? Cuz

[1:04:38] the previous one was called Ju Jiu-Jitsu

[1:04:40] Kaizen Zero.

[1:04:41] >> Yeah. This one's Jujitsu Kaizen

[1:04:44] Execution. I think that's the name of

[1:04:46] the movie.

[1:04:47] >> Oh wow.

[1:04:47] >> Yeah.

[1:04:48] >> Well, I'm keen to watch it. So, yeah, we

[1:04:50] should go watch that one.

[1:04:51] >> Maybe that's

[1:04:51] >> Are you up to date? You are up to date,

[1:04:53] right?

[1:04:53] >> No, it's still season one, but I'll

[1:04:54] catch up by by next week.

[1:04:56] >> Maybe Taran's further in JDK than

[1:04:58] >> Yeah, he's further than me. Yeah. Yeah,

[1:05:00] but he's not here, so he won't be

[1:05:01] watching the

[1:05:02] >> Yeah.

[1:05:03] >> the movie. Um, so yeah, maybe that's our

[1:05:07] next one. Maybe we'll just do anime from

[1:05:09] now.

[1:05:10] >> Turn into anime channel. [laughter] It

[1:05:11] just blows up. All of a sudden, you

[1:05:13] become like this crazy anime review

[1:05:14] channel.

[1:05:15] >> Yeah.

[1:05:16] >> Cool. All right.

[1:05:17] >> Awesome. Well, thanks for having me on.

[1:05:19] >> That was

[1:05:20] >> Thanks for coming on. Um,

[1:05:21] >> good experience. I rate it. We're

[1:05:22] changing genres a bit.

[1:05:23] >> Yeah,

[1:05:24] >> I'm liking it.

[1:05:25] >> We'll change some of these posters to to

[1:05:27] anime. I only have Jibli posters, but

[1:05:28] not actual anime shows.

[1:05:30] >> Well, I just bought I feel like I now

[1:05:32] need to buy a Demon Slayer poster, but I

[1:05:34] did buy JJK poster from Amazon that was

[1:05:37] very cool that I have up on my wall.

[1:05:39] Who's your favorite character in Demon

[1:05:40] Slayer?

[1:05:42] >> I mean, it's kind of got to be Tangro,

[1:05:44] doesn't it? But if it's not, so put away

[1:05:47] Taniro.

[1:05:48] Honestly, I mean, Akaza is pretty sick

[1:05:52] villain. I really rate his character.

[1:05:55] >> Um

[1:05:57] then um Inosuk

[1:06:01] is pretty funny.

[1:06:02] >> Yeah. Um, amongst the Hashira,

[1:06:07] Stone is pretty sick. Stone is really

[1:06:09] cool. I really did enjoy Rangoku when he

[1:06:11] was around.

[1:06:13] >> Um,

[1:06:14] I think locked in Zenitu or Zenitu was

[1:06:17] very cool.

[1:06:17] >> Yeah,

[1:06:18] >> I don't know. The problem is I don't

[1:06:19] know how long that's hanging around for.

[1:06:21] He might turn into absolute wacko

[1:06:24] [laughter] at once is I don't know.

[1:06:26] We'll see. Hopefully not. But yeah.

[1:06:28] >> Yeah.

[1:06:29] >> What about you?

[1:06:31] I like Guillu because he's like

[1:06:33] understated. Like he also is like he

[1:06:37] doesn't say he doesn't really want to be

[1:06:38] a hashira but he is

[1:06:40] >> but I feel like he's

[1:06:41] >> guilty being a hash, doesn't he?

[1:06:42] >> Yeah. But I feel like he's quite

[1:06:44] powerful.

[1:06:45] >> Um and he's also like there's this thing

[1:06:47] with him and Tanger obviously like they

[1:06:49] want Tanger to become the water hashira.

[1:06:52] That's why he asked him to train him.

[1:06:54] >> Um

[1:06:55] >> but that ain't happening.

[1:06:56] >> Yeah, cuz he Tan is like doing other

[1:06:58] stuff as well.

[1:07:00] But is Tanger just he also is

[1:07:02] discovering all this other stuff.

[1:07:03] >> Yeah. Like he's got he's not only he

[1:07:06] does water stuff but he does his

[1:07:08] >> I think the whole reason is because they

[1:07:10] say if you know how to do sun breathing

[1:07:11] sun is the one that started it all.

[1:07:13] >> Yeah.

[1:07:13] >> So he can do that you can start doing

[1:07:15] everything else. Essentially this guy's

[1:07:16] going to turn into the avatar.

[1:07:17] >> That's what he's going to do

[1:07:18] >> cuz he's the only one that does more

[1:07:20] than one form of breathing. He does the

[1:07:22] Hima kami kagura thing.

[1:07:24] >> Yeah. Sun breathing.

[1:07:26] >> Yeah. and um water breathing where

[1:07:28] whereas everyone else just has one

[1:07:30] >> one form. So yeah, but I like Guu and I

[1:07:32] I want to see more of the stone. I feel

[1:07:34] like the stone husha is going to be

[1:07:36] really cool in the next movie.

[1:07:38] >> The mis breathing guy is also cool.

[1:07:40] >> Yeah,

[1:07:41] >> we just don't know. We don't know enough

[1:07:42] about serpent breathing guy. That would

[1:07:44] be fun. Uh that uh was that

[1:07:48] >> GA's brother?

[1:07:49] >> Yeah, I think he's the wind husher.

[1:07:51] There is a wind husher, isn't there? I

[1:07:53] think he's the wind husher.

[1:07:55] Yeah, he might be the wind hasher.

[1:07:57] >> Yeah.

[1:07:57] >> No, but who's the hasher that who's the

[1:07:59] hasher that left? He was in

[1:08:01] entertainment district and then retired.

[1:08:02] >> Oh, he's um Tangen, but he was something

[1:08:05] else, too. He was like music cuz he used

[1:08:08] like notes.

[1:08:10] >> Was he music?

[1:08:12] >> There was He was something different. He

[1:08:14] He had something.

[1:08:16] >> Yeah. Okay.

[1:08:17] >> He was cool, too. He was

[1:08:18] >> Yeah, he was very cool. He reminds me of

[1:08:21] our Toto in JJK, the guy that does the

[1:08:24] clap. Are you up to that bit?

[1:08:26] >> No.

[1:08:27] >> You're on season two?

[1:08:28] >> I've watched Zero.

[1:08:29] >> You watched season one?

[1:08:30] >> One. I'm not up to that yet, though. I'm

[1:08:32] early season one still.

[1:08:33] >> But season one. In season one, they've

[1:08:35] done the the inter school competition.

[1:08:38] Like

[1:08:39] >> I'm not all I'm still

[1:08:40] >> That's season two.

[1:08:41] >> I'm still very early in season one. So

[1:08:42] >> Oh, you're in season one. Okay. Okay.

[1:08:44] Okay.

[1:08:44] >> Now, there's a there's a cool character

[1:08:46] called um Toto. He's just like this

[1:08:48] massive buffed guy and then he just

[1:08:50] comes out with the most nonsense

[1:08:51] sometimes and sometime it reminds me of

[1:08:53] that guy but yeah

[1:08:54] >> that guy was cool though and technically

[1:08:56] I mean he just quit the but he's still

[1:09:00] >> they should bring him back.

[1:09:00] >> Yeah, he doesn't have a hand but

[1:09:01] >> he has like three wives

[1:09:03] >> that are like

[1:09:05] it's that are just drawn in the most

[1:09:07] porn way. This is classic Japanese

[1:09:10] animation, isn't it? Classic.

[1:09:12] >> Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. He I don't

[1:09:14] know what he was, but I think Ga's

[1:09:16] brother is the wind hashier. So yeah, I

[1:09:18] want to see more of the other guys,

[1:09:20] >> but I think um

[1:09:21] >> what we've seen from Guillu is pretty

[1:09:24] cool. And uh hopefully the stone I think

[1:09:27] cuz what how does the stone breathing

[1:09:29] even work? Like we don't even we haven't

[1:09:30] really seen him do a move yet. So

[1:09:32] >> no, but we've only seen them moving

[1:09:34] about talking about moving that boulder.

[1:09:36] >> So I think it's like pure kind of

[1:09:39] >> mind over matter David Gogging [ __ ]

[1:09:41] That's [laughter] That's stone stone

[1:09:43] husher is like Yeah, I think at least

[1:09:44] that's what we've seen so far.

[1:09:46] >> Yeah,

[1:09:46] >> we know. But this guy's he's doing some

[1:09:47] crazy stuff

[1:09:48] >> when he rocked up.

[1:09:49] >> He doesn't even use a sword, right? He's

[1:09:51] got like this um

[1:09:52] >> Yeah, this uh I don't know what you call

[1:09:54] it, but it's like

[1:09:55] >> a cannonball thing that he like

[1:09:57] >> it's like this thing that Sauron uses

[1:09:59] [laughter] in Lord of the Rings.

[1:10:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.

[1:10:02] Yeah.

[1:10:02] >> Well, at least in the uh depicted of the

[1:10:06] Yeah.

[1:10:07] >> Yeah. Wait, and also does um it's also

[1:10:10] kind of what the Witch King kind of uses

[1:10:12] as well, like that thing. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:10:14] >> He uses that. Yeah. Cuz at the end of um

[1:10:16] the last season, he he just comes in

[1:10:19] with that and he like knocks off half of

[1:10:21] Muan's body with it.

[1:10:22] >> Yeah. He just absolutely slams into

[1:10:24] >> Yeah, cuz he's the only one that knows

[1:10:26] about the master's plan to

[1:10:28] >> Yeah.

[1:10:29] >> Yeah. to to bomb cuz the rest of the

[1:10:31] guys don't know it.

[1:10:33] Yeah.

[1:10:34] >> Um Yeah. It's cool. It

[1:10:36] >> is very cool.

[1:10:37] I really like this world and I I

[1:10:39] actually regret us not going on the

[1:10:41] Demon Slayer ride now. We should have

[1:10:43] gone on it.

[1:10:44] >> Yeah. I mean, we didn't know about it.

[1:10:46] We didn't know anything about There was

[1:10:47] no way we were going to wait in that

[1:10:48] line in the bloody for a show we didn't

[1:10:50] know anything about.

[1:10:51] >> Yeah,

[1:10:52] >> but I maybe we'll appreciate it. Oh,

[1:10:54] yeah. It's not.

[1:10:55] >> No, they've replaced it with um Spy

[1:10:57] Family.

[1:10:58] >> Yeah.

[1:10:59] >> Um which is also not a bad show, but

[1:11:01] Yeah.

[1:11:02] >> Cool. Thanks for coming on. Um that was

[1:11:05] great discussion. Um, we

[1:11:07] >> Christmas episode next.

[1:11:08] >> Well, JJK and then Christmas maybe.

[1:11:10] Let's see. Let's see what we think of

[1:11:12] JJK. Like, yeah.

[1:11:14] >> Um, but definitely Christmas episode

[1:11:15] soon. Um, if you want to get in touch

[1:11:17] with us, you can contact us on uh

[1:11:20] Cognitive Recalibration

[1:11:21] [email protected].

[1:11:23] We're on Instagram at cognitive

[1:11:24] recalibration and also Tik Tok. So,

[1:11:27] follow us on those. And um, thanks for

[1:11:31] tuning into this one. Hope you enjoyed

[1:11:33] it. Definitely go watch Demon Slayer if

[1:11:35] you've listened till now. We've just

[1:11:36] spoiled everything, but you'll still

[1:11:37] enjoy it. Um, and we'll see you in the

[1:11:40] next one.

[1:11:40] >> Maybe this is the uh the one little

[1:11:42] ignition point to start watching anime.

[1:11:44] Hopefully, it is.

[1:11:45] >> Yeah.

[1:11:45] >> All right. See you later. Thank you.

[1:11:47] >> See you. Bye.

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