Zed Coaching Session with Caedrel — Full Breakdown & Transcript

[00:02] I can show you some Zed combos on Discord if you want. Yeah, totally. Let's do it. Wouldn't mind it. Cuz the chat's trying to tell me a bunch of like, "Oh, you want a W first." Some guy's like, "No, you want an R first."

[00:17] disagreeing with each other on like what I should actually do first. And it's everyone, read all the abilities, make up my own combos." Cuz like that's kind happens. >> Yo, yo, yo, yo.

[00:31] Dude, I You're the only one that added me. I can't believe that worked. What added you? >> It's like like couple like 5 seconds basically zero trolls. You were the You were the first one. It was like

[00:45] Yo, why play Rize in solo queue? That I mean, I'm not trying to gatekeep the climb, that champ's pretty bad for climbing, I would say. chat like I'm not necessarily just trying to like climb. Like I'm not just

[00:59] you know, if I'm in silver for a while, like it's kind of chill. I'm not trying can get. I was more just having fun with them, >> Oh, that might feel that Okay. So, there's no like head gold. I see you say

[01:12] like ranked day eight. Is that Is that like a 30-day thing? just playing it day by day to see how things felt. And they're I mean, they're feeling pretty nice. The rift is feeling good. But we've had We've had some bad

[01:24] >> Yeah. League sometimes like when you stream League and you're like losing or you know the game's lost or sometimes you feel so self-conscious. Even I get it sometimes in like the

[01:38] just get me out of this game quick. This is so disgusting." And sometimes it's >> Yeah, there's like the highs are high and the lows are low. Like, dude, what happened the other day is I was going 0 and 10 multiple games in a row against

[01:51] the same guy, and the chat was just saying like, "Nah, this is feeding. Bro is inting. Like all this stuff. And I'm like sitting here leaning forward, trying my absolute hardest. And it's like the whole chat thinks I just suck.

[02:05] >> That's the thing. On League Twitch on Twitch on League, there's like hundreds of League Twitch chat hoppers. They'll just go into different streams. And if you're so good. And then if they're you're inting, they're like lol, give up

[02:18] just go to the next stream. >> You think anyone would actually >> Bro, there's so many of them. They just flocked the solo queue games and they just check the score and just start writing noob.

[02:30] this to the chat the other day. Like I feel like the League community is just like really nice and positive and uplifting for the most part. That's why >> Oh, hell yeah. That's good that they're treating you

[02:43] All right, I think Zed is good if you like it. I can show you some like funky Um because Zed is very like I know you don't like min-maxy, but Zed is like I think knowing all the small things on

[02:57] just cooked. >> Okay, I'll see it pop out. Um full screen. Okay, I got you up. >> All right, first things first on Zed, like when you were playing that lane, I

[03:12] were playing the lane. You kind of just stood there and then like waited for the last hit the wave. And then you just farmed with Q and then you just based. >> Yeah, yeah. >> But if if there's a laner something

[03:25] will help you on every single champion is don't just look at your his minions, lane, right? And I'm let's say I'm in this lane, it doesn't matter mid or bot. I'll see when it's getting low for him

[03:39] be on this cannon. And when he tries to last hit the cannon, then I just full >> Cuz you know he he wants that cannon time your combos on the low HP cannon. Okay, that's Okay, that's smart. I think

[03:52] good to know. >> You should You should always always when he has like when his wave is bigger, so he has way more minions It's much easier to just watch a minion and just see when he's going to last hit

[04:06] combo and then just backing away and just getting the wave. >> So, with the cannons, a lot of the time so both cannons spawn in a lot of the times like they'll both be low at the same time. Are you looking to get your

[04:18] cannon kill first then kind of block his or are you looking to you know, block his cannon first and then get your last hit later? Cuz like two cannons at once, right? There's his and yours.

[04:33] on how you feel. Like if you want to kill him and you think if you can get worth to give up the cannon to get the trade. If the lane is like you're both think you're playing a bit defensive then just get it with your Q and back up

[04:47] >> I see. Okay. >> I would say it just depends how you feel can get a kill, if you cuz Zed is a very weak champion early like when you hit level six on Zed, you're quite strong. Like if you get one of these combos on

[05:00] that you can kill him on the next. So, if you think that's worth it, then it's control and that stuff. I'll just show you some like important Zed things, but for sure like your lane the combo is very easy.

[05:13] you W you E and then you Q. You have a choice. You can do it on the last hit. If you think he's going to minion gets low and then it's full combo all together.

[05:28] Or you can be a bit more patient with it because when you press W and E like this, this is a slow. Your E slows them. >> So, what you what you'll often find yourself in positions in is when you do

[05:40] this, they'll be dodging left and right. And you wait wait wait wait wait and >> Got it. That is really cool. So, I like that was didn't realize that you could just like I I thought like you were always

[05:54] W or run away. I didn't know you could just like proxy the W to use it as like you know, like a whirlwind machine. That's Okay, so that's rad. So, even if that's some sick last hitting. Just W E Q.

[06:08] >> For sure. But, I would be very careful because like last game you were against a Luc and Luc has a dash. So, if you use your W to last hit or to poke, you have to play very far back because he knows you have no W. He can dash on you then,

[06:20] right? So, if you walk up for a minion like this, he'll just dash on your head. other assassins. It's very important that you like track their dashes and >> Um But, but the the combo you're doing with

[06:34] doing this full one-shot combo, which is like good. The problem is you don't really have a way out. Zed, like when you get fed on Zed, especially in solo someone. Like you don't even have to use W. Maybe sometimes you'll realize like,

[06:48] it my ult didn't even proc. He just died instantly." >> And if you do that combo that you did, you're kind of stuck. So, sometimes you can If this is the enemy AD carry and you think it's a free kill, you can W

[07:01] and you're out. You know? >> You're So, you're W You're using the W to Am I missing something? Why not just use your ult to get out?

[07:15] back. If I ult here, my ult goes right where I ulted from, right? So, I'm back >> there's Yeah, like let's say I'm in this bush, >> You know, the AD carry is farming mid. What I can do is I can like walk up, W

[07:28] >> Got you. >> I can get out pretty easily, you know It's less damage cuz your W is not going to be hitting them, but it's way way way safer cuz you're out. Like you're completely out after the combo.

[07:42] because in solo queue when you're playing in your games, Zed is very like absolutely one shot someone to the point where you're over killing them by almost double their health, especially like a carry. If you full combo someone on Zed

[07:56] with your W and everything, it's very likely that you're like almost double >> But you're too all in that way. Yeah. >> Yeah, it's good sometimes have a little escape because the thing you'll learn on Zed is like you'll get 10 kills and then

[08:08] you get shut down for 1K gold and now you're just cooked because Zed is like Like very late late later on, you can and your W combos and stuff. >> Got it. That makes That makes perfect

[08:20] sense. You can just throw a W out to just to safety, do the combo and W and get home. So, it would be like W preemptively as a as an escape, R in, preemptively as a as an escape, R in, and then EQ auto, and then W out.

[08:34] >> Cool. >> Um also on Zed, something you'll notice this is a very minor mechanic, but your E hides your auto attack or you can like watch here, I'm going to auto attack and E.

[08:47] E. Oh, wait. when I'm going for a last hit, your your E like hits at the same time. what you're saying? >> No, they don't cancel each other. You

[08:59] time. So, don't feel like if you're pushing a wave, you think the minion's healthy, you can like auto attack and E. If you press them in in it's it takes a doesn't have a cast time so you can kind of hit them both at the same time. And

[09:13] >> And Q does have a cast time you're saying? >> Okay. >> Yeah, at the bottom you'll see some spells have cast times and some don't. And there's some of the spells that

[09:25] attack in. >> Cool. Okay, so E I can I can try to get it I can squeeze an auto with an E to get in maybe two autos on the burst, too. Like I can E auto then Q and then auto again or something like that.

[09:38] just mainly for last hits. Like this minion's healthy so my passive wouldn't passive wouldn't proc right here. Like my passive's not procking. But if I like E-auto it I can get my passive off if I

[09:50] >> Yeah. >> So like here I can auto passive range. passive off because I put it below the threshold but I also get my auto off. It's a bit of a like a more deeper mechanic but when you're pushing waves

[10:05] you're last hitting you can just like E-auto a minion and it just kind of gets it down lower. >> Sweet. Yeah, now that makes sense. That >> Sweet. Yeah, now that makes sense. That makes sense. I didn't put it together

[10:17] with spells not having a cast time that you know. I think for like any champ that'd be good to know, right? champions have what's called like an like auto attack cancel where you can

[10:31] like hit hit rather than just hit because their ability is counts as an auto attack in a way. So like Jax's W you can like auto W or like Shyvana has a Q where you can like auto Q. Some some champions have like an auto attack extra

[10:48] thing that lets you attack again. It almost like resets your attack bar. >> Um that's a whole another spiel. I don't know how many Yeah, this is one. Yeah, >> Auto W, right. That's what I thought. Cool.

[11:01] >> Um another thing I saw you do a lot. This is just from watching your game. you were like using your W and full comboing the minions. I think you can like relax a little bit. Your W is a 20 plus second

[11:14] super long cool down. So just W-ing for last hits is kind of useless unless miss some. So I would I would chill. Zed is like one of the best champions in the because your passive's so strong. You can just wait, auto attack, wait, auto

[11:28] attack. And if you want to push fast you can just Q it. You know, like you don't have to stress too much. I think saving W on Zed is so important. If you like just combo the wave like that and then you walk up, you're you're like really

[11:41] >> Kind of scary, yeah, you've no way to out. Okay, that makes sense. >> Yeah, I didn't really even connect that the passive worked on minions and when I hitting is actually my champions since I suck at

[11:54] last hitting. Yeah, there we go. >> So like when I watched you play, I think your first time, right? So I'm not going to say to you and say you should have there was you were very polar opposite in how you played the game. You either

[12:08] had like one fight where you just dumped your whole keyboard in the same frame or and you're just running away when you could just dump your whole keyboard and don't press anything or you just press everything.

[12:20] >> Well, yeah, I mean so I like so I was playing so Probelter was coaching me the where I was playing kind of passive and then he called me soft. Like I like he said I was lacking testosterone. So that I like ever since that moment I was

[12:34] like, you know, I got to start slamming my keys harder. So like now what I do is just like kind of slam my keyboard as hard as I can and like some of the time they'll just like be like, "What was that?" depending on like what happened.

[12:50] >> Okay. Nice. Lacking testosterone, I like it. didn't ever trade and your first time Zed, so I don't I don't mind. But if you confidence and like, "Oh, they're going to last hit my minion, poke them." Even

[13:04] know how range creeps work. The tower will hit it once here and then it's the enemy champion. So now it's like that, you just look for a full combo on them every single time. Just try and poke as much as possible.

[13:16] Uh also one other small mechanic on Zed is your E cool down is reduced uh your W cool down is reduced by your E. So you can see it's 10, 9, 8, 4, 3, 2. So ever if you're ever in a situation where you're like W's on cool down, but

[13:31] especially late game when you get like points in W and cool down reduction, the short. So, you'll often find it when you're ulting in in fights and you're sooner than you think. So, like you're in here and now you can W out because

[13:45] you get like 4 5 seconds off your E. >> Do you have to hit something with your E >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you can't just spam it. Okay. >> But, the more people you hit, the more like it it it comes off cool down, you

[13:59] know? So, like if I hit if I hit five people with my E, it's like 10 seconds of cool down, you know? get more reduction on your W. So, keep your eye on that.

[14:13] pretty much it, I guess. Like Zed is is just The key things are poke. Make sure you have a way out. And the number one thing that people fail to do sometimes in League when they're new to the game is smashing their head into

[14:26] Because League, like you're you're you're a wild player and you've got insane mechanics, but League is just a knowledge gap. Like it is just a knowledge gap. And the way you get your knowledge better is you limit test. And

[14:39] what I mean by that is you need to throw yourself into the enemy laner 10 times. And after 10 times, you will like subconsciously realize you're playing where you could have killed that lock. You could have killed

[14:51] them like 15 times. But, because you haven't been through the trial and error of throwing yourself in there, you can't your limits understanding isn't there. players. So, I would say if you want to get better at the game, play aggressive.

[15:05] don't worry if you go 0 10. Don't worry if you like >> So, basically, every time I die, I'm just going to say that was a limit test >> Even even pro players do that to this day. Like they finish a scrim and

[15:18] lane too much. I can play it better." Because sometimes when you're new to something, it's much better to just just die five times and be like, "Okay, I just sit under tower farming. I feel like you'll learn nothing from it.

[15:30] >> Okay. No, that's actually really good. I I do the same thing in wow, like when I used to like play more competitively is like I would I would try to see what I know how much wow wow you've ever played, but

[15:44] Wrath of the Lich King holy paladin. I know. Call me cringe. Call me cringe. >> sorry. I got I got Wrathful Gladiator. >> All right. So, >> So, oh, Wrathful Gladiator Cataclysm. All right. So, sorry about that. I

[15:57] yeah, so like in wow, what I would do a would would be to try to like see what I could get away with. And a lot of the times like it would like it wouldn't actually work. I was like die without

[16:09] my head thinking, "Okay, the rogue, you know, pop shadow dance. Can I get away with holding block here? tried to greed the CC and it like didn't work, but at least I gained the

[16:23] can't hold that into the shadow dance next time." And like I I gained all of highest level you're thinking like, "Maybe I can live this." >> Yeah, that'll [snorts] apply with League to the whole game. Yeah, you will you

[16:36] will just limit test. And so, as you limit test, your micro will will get better. Like your map understanding won't change, but your champion and item and health bars, like you're you're just subconsciously you're

[16:49] not. >> Um so, I'm going to do this. I'm going say, "Guys, I'm limit testing here." I'm going to call it out as I'm going in so that when I if it doesn't go well, I have the the the instant excuse of like,

[17:03] >> Yeah. Well, yeah, to be honest, you should just try your best, especially on better at them. But the the the reason this will work is when you limit test, straight up, you're going to run it the [ __ ] down. But, after that like 11th

[17:18] game, you're going to get into a level of confidence where Zed is a champ in doing, you will make the enemy mid laner die in lane. And this will cause them to games on average because only will you get more fed on them, but they'll

[17:33] very difficult champ to solo kill the enemy mid on. It's more like of a scalar and a pushing roaming champion. So, mentally they won't give up, but also know the limits of a Zed very well. They'll just kind of walk up and you'll

[17:48] And that's the beauty of Zed because you will just get so many kills in silver something like Ryze. >> Yeah, Ryze I I'm finding out slowly is that like So, I like I played I play a bit of Diana as well. And like with

[18:03] electrocute ignite, we're getting a kill or two at level two, three, four, like it's great. And you're scaling. With Ryze, I feel like I need to just like have like two items, and then I'm just going to own the team fights. But, if I

[18:17] it seems kind of troll. Kind of what I'm saying. >> Yeah, I would say the last couple things on Zed especially is after your lane phase is over and like, you know, the map's opened up and, you know, I saw it

[18:29] going top and you're on the side lane. This is perfect. That's what Zed is. Zed is like a really powerful mosquito in the mid late game. Like you're pushing sides and you one shot anyone who shows up, but you need to make sure you can

[18:42] dead. So, you want to make sure you're like pushing the waves, hitting the towers. If someone walks up, try and kill them, but your your whole goal is either push and hit towers if someone's not there or you've killed them, or push

[18:55] and stand in fog of war, right? And just sit in bushes. Like you're if there's >> Uh like for example, if there's a dragon just doing dragon and their team's around here, it's very important for you

[19:08] important for you to like go around the side. It's very important for you to like It's So, there's two sides in League, right? This is blue side and dragon, it's very normal that they'll walk

[19:22] red side. They're going to walk to the dragon like this. They're going to hit it and this is like their entrance point. So, you on Zed, your ideal goal is like, "Oh, dragon's up. I'm going to push bot." Right? So, you push this wave

[19:35] try to flank them around here. You're going to come from here. You know what I mean? You're not going to be around the river. You're going to push the side that the objective is on and then you're going to gank them from the the area

[19:47] through. >> So, this seems like the exact opposite to do this on Ryze cuz I played Diana this. It's like I'm like trying to flank, but on a Ryze I feel like every

[19:59] time I flank it just sucks. I'd rather just sit in the back and spam EQ and >> 100%. Ryze, you just want to play front to back unless you have like a nice ult or something. But, Zed is an assassin, right? If you come at them from the

[20:11] front, you have to use your W to gap close already. So, you're already going hopefully you kill one and then you go one for one. And that's kind of like the worst part of Zed unless they're at 80 carries like 20 and 0. Sometimes you're

[20:23] die and you're going to die and that's just the trade deal. But, ideally if you know, that W combo where you can put that W here, walk up, maybe flash ult back. >> Sick. Flash ult That's That range is

[20:38] insane. Um on Zed like what I've noticed on What I've noticed on like Ryze is and I I don't know This This might be not true, but on a Ryze I feel like I just kind of need to be there in the

[20:54] to like the dragons and the barons cuz I can just do so much damage. Um on Zed you were saying he does really well with side laning. So, say there's like a drag Say there's like dragons are tied two to two, it's a third dragon, you know, it's

[21:10] kind of an important objective. But like I have a real I say I'm top lane and I have like a like a pretty solid push. Is it I guess it I mean it's so lane and go help for the important team fights like I would on a rise?

[21:24] Um since I have no TP, right? Generally play ignite like How would How would you know which team fights to be a part of of said versus side laning? I guess is what I'm asking. >> Uh again, like you're right in saying

[21:36] it's super situational. Like you can be very greedy and this is comes down to like understanding of the game and like win conditions. Will you getting a 1,000 game for example? Or is like, you know, did are they playing champs like Lulu

[21:49] they're going to scale to infinity and you getting gold doesn't do anything. up in your head of should I fight that drake? I would say easiest thing to do is am I in a position to fight this drake? Yes or no? If no, then just

[22:01] slowly find your way there. You know what I mean? I would say on Ryze, it's very easy to just stand on the drake, QE Q the dragon and just [ __ ] rush it or just be ready to team fight when someone pops up. On Zed, it's much different.

[22:14] >> On Zed, you need to play a little mini game. It's called find the inter. It's to diamond, you just play find the inter. Zed is like a ideal champ at straight >> if it's what if it's me the whole time?

[22:29] >> Oh, sometimes it is you. Sometimes it is you. But Zed is is is very [laughter] it's a complete opposite of Ryze, you know? Once you push the side wave and and the dragon's up, you're going to have to look for

[22:41] wants to catch the wave and she thinks she can go around. Maybe their their Lulu is going to ward and she's walking around here. Your your operation is just to find that one guy who's just away from his team and just one pop him and

[22:55] That's that's it. >> [laughter] sense. >> You can even like sometimes you can be you can do is you can push this wave and run up. And then for example, let's say

[23:10] and he's just standing here last hitting. What you can do is you can just go over the wall and one shot him. Don't be afraid to like one pop on people on the towers or you know, if you want to push in the wave and walk up and

[23:22] ward here and see where they go and just be ready to like darkness on the map is that's where you're just going to sit. You're going and you're just going to sit there. So like things like

[23:35] a sweeper early or a pink out of base is great. You know, you put a pink here. sweeping. And you'll find something. You you just eventually. And then you get that kill and then you go push the wave.

[23:47] So in I don't know if you know what solo shuffle is. It's like a new wild edition where it's a bunch of random players. Yeah, okay. In solo shuffle, that's basically how I would play on my mage. I would just

[24:00] like who do you prioritize on targeting? It's like well, you find the person then you kill them, right? It's like are they out of position with no cool downs? also do a lot of like low rated one V two stuff.

[24:13] I guess like like smurfing in league or something. But like one V two so it them. And then the same thing. People say like who do you go? It's like whoever is like trolling the hardest is who you kill. Like normally I want to go

[24:26] Um >> That's exactly what Zed is. But I will Zed. Like for example, your damage against tanks is [ __ ] dog [ __ ] If you're ulting on like a Poppy or a Malphite or a Skarner and you do your

[24:40] away. You're going to be like wait, that did no damage because you're like a lethality user, right? A lethality user, you want to just look for squishies. Any squishy. Mages, AD carries, range supports, assassin junglers. If you play

[24:53] Elise, and going to crack your head in. So make sure you're very aware of like Uh like if you're against an Olaf or a Darius here, maybe don't walk up and like combo the wave because they'll just run at you and kill you.

[25:07] hard way last game. I caught a full combo to a Galio, didn't do much. Yeah. Guy's like a brick wall. Yeah. And and like the number one thing is like just cool down usage on Zed is

[25:19] so important. Like if I'm pushing this bot wave, I'm not going to W combo it. someone could just come behind me and kill me. So, what I'm going to do is I'm it like this. It's not the end of the world, you know? Like Zed is an energy

[25:32] hurt you at all. you. >> Yeah. down to kill them too. >> Yeah. And like this is a very simple

[25:44] kill the tower and then you'll push the wave and then after you push the wave, after you push this. You don't just push the next wave. am I basing?" Yes or no?

[25:57] And if you base, great. If you don't base, this is where you pop your sweeper and you find the enter and you look on mid waves. And this is all you do on Zed jungle, you sweep around. Is there any carry here? Is there any wards I can

[26:10] clear? And that's your cycle. You know? Nothing's here. Okay, I'll go back top. catch the next wave. You push the next wave in their face. so I can show you, but you wouldn't use W. And then as soon as you push the top

[26:23] wave in again, you go back into the jungle and you just go look for someone. >> And this is it. You're just a really annoying mosquito who can one shot >> That makes sense. That dude, this is a really good summary. Um sweeper, when

[26:36] normal ward? >> Uh I would do it after the lane ends. I think having a ward in the lane is very good, but I would say around 10 to 15 minutes is when the AD carry will take over here and you will either go top or

[26:48] mid. Now, when you're playing ignite, you want to be closest to the objective. And when you're playing TP, you want to be furthest from the objective. So, if >> That answers my question from earlier. So, if there's a dragon 90 seconds from

[27:02] spawn, or even 60 seconds from spawn, I'm in base. silver, but the right play would be for me to be bottom, so that I can float to that dragon easier, not top. >> I would say that the theory is correct.

[27:16] However, like sometimes, if you go bot, and their top laner's here, or they're [ __ ] Someone's really fed here, or their bot lane's still here, you can't you're going to be sitting under this tower screaming for help.

[27:29] >> Yeah, theoretically, it's correct. >> Right. Okay. >> But but don't feel like, "Okay, Drake's in 50 seconds. I need to go bot, you know." Uh the game is very fluid in the way that

[27:41] a seesaw. If you press on one side, other goes up. If you press on this other goes up. If you press on this side, other goes up. Like, if I am here 40 seconds before Drake, that's fine. Because all I do is I go here, and I

[27:53] and then I base, and I go to Drake. And 40 seconds, I'll make it. And what'll happen is, I will be first to the because their mid laner has to catch this wave. And if they don't catch this

[28:06] wave, they're minus 250 gold. That's fine. Yeah. >> So So, now I'm running to Drake. They're and running to Drake, and I'm 10 seconds ahead. So, you've used push on one side

[28:20] ahead. So, you've used push on one side to get you to the other side faster. Like, if I push out bot all the way, and I take the tower, and I push the wave, and then I base, and I run top, I have a 30 to 40-second window.

[28:35] you'll learn this wave concept as you play. As you play, you'll kind of get this feeling of the game. If I push this wave all the way in to tier two, so this is the second tower in the map, I push this wave all in and I base.

[28:49] What happens now is I can play on the top side of the map for the next minute. Why? Because nothing's in bot. It's going to take until their wave gets to here that I need to get that wave. You know what I mean? Like

[29:01] I'm doing two things like I said you here. I'm basing jungle. I'm basing or I'm sweeping through their jungle. And now I'm up here already with my home guards. I don't even have boots. The wave still

[29:14] I'm going to kill someone here. Does that make sense? >> Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Man, this is actually helpful not just for Zed. This is helpful for like any champ I'm playing. Like just fundamentals of

[29:26] like that seesaw analogy. That helps. >> Yeah, this seesaw analogy is so good for because you do the same concept. This is the number one play on Ryze if you want to win the game in silver. You push bot. You press your B button and then you

[29:39] click top. And the reason you click top is because the way the game works is when you get home guards. Uh you see I have the home guards buff. >> This home guards buff fades the second you walk in the jungle.

[29:52] >> Oh. >> So, it'll go until >> I didn't know that. >> until the the furthest pushed out wave So, like if I'm running through the lane, I keep the movement speed. So, I'm

[30:04] so fast. >> Oh, okay. That's really good to know. >> So, what you will do is when I push this bot wave, I go to the other side of the seesaw and now I'm Ryze ulting behind their top laner.

[30:19] >> That play works nine out of 10 times on Ryze. You push all the way on one side, you base, you run to the other, and then you ult on their lane. >> Sick. Okay, yeah. Might have to implement that on Ryze. Wow, that's

[30:33] >> Yeah, that play will win you games cuz their mid laner will be catching this you've just won both sides of the map. >> Okay, I I have kind of a >> like a newbie random question that's kind of unrelated. Um well, it's a

[30:45] little related with side laning. How valuable is actually getting these towers? How much gold do you get? How much gold does your team get? I was little more complicated than

[30:57] exist in solo queue. But you get plates, tower used to be before plate I don't know the exact gold, but the entire tower used to be 600 gold, I'm pretty sure. And then I think it was 300 local,

[31:10] I'd have to check. But you get basically one 120-ish per plate, 145 local gold. I know, chat should know probably the >> Yeah, I was I was asking chat earlier, they had no idea. What I was trying to

[31:23] figure out is like say I get a tier two turret, but my team is fighting uh you know, say like near you know, bottom lane and they lose cuz they're because they they they don't have me in

[31:36] the fight. It's a five V four for example, but I got a turret. Is that three people died um cuz I wasn't there, but I got like a turret plus denied, you know, two waves. Like is that worth it? Like I actually

[31:49] >> Yeah, again, [snorts] this all depends on like how confident you are to carry their champs? And is there any objectives up, right? Like if you push top and take this tier two and they lose all these waves and they base and run to

[32:02] Baron, then you're cooked. >> Right. I see if it snowballs into died. Okay, that's a good >> you can you can think in your head like does X gold value overtake X gold value, but that's not really how you should see

[32:14] like a fluid state. Yeah, you should always think about what's your next this tier two. Great, you take the tier two, but it's straight up. Okay, now you Am I moving for Drake in the next 60 seconds or am I pushing top? And when

[32:28] you just ping it, right, in solo queue. I'm Give Drake. And then your team will know, okay, this guy's top. And they don't int like pigs, but 90% of the time they might. So, in

[32:40] solo queue like a lot of teams like to just group up and fight because and your team dies, you get blamed and then you just lose. So, don't be too lot of the times you probably want to push out the side lane and you want to

[32:53] >> Cool. >> There's some champions like Fiora and Camille who [ __ ] one shot these towers. So, they really just want to towers. But Zed, he's okay at taking towers, but his

[33:06] his biggest strength by far, the most powerful and scariest thing of Zed ever, map. >> Right. He's hanging out in the jungle. >> Yeah, he he's if he's anywhere, the AD carry instantly in silver will be

[33:20] you'll kill him. And it's not until you get to diamond that the AD carry will think, oh, wait, Zed's missing. Oh, I should probably pack up here. And then But they will walk up and die. I can

[33:32] >> Cool. All right, yeah, no, that's very helpful. Okay, so like like Diana was the other champ I played and she was kind of sick her passive. >> she one shots towers, yeah.

[33:44] >> But then Ryze, I feel like doesn't really do the same. And Ryze, what I've there for the team fights and I can just kind of carry the team fight with EQ. Uh sorry, uh just changing topics real

[33:56] show you the range of that tower. It What is that? Uh >> Oh, it's not in ranked. Okay. >> going to say I might I might need that in ranked. Okay, it doesn't exist cuz

[34:09] >> there's some settings there's some settings for sure that you'd have. Like that when you queue, it'll go wherever your mouse is. So, if my mouse is here, your mouse is. So, if my mouse is here, I'll shoot it on top of myself.

[34:21] >> Uh so, like for example, I have quick cast, but I also have cast, but I also have uh normal cast as well. Just like >> Yeah, I like I like having both. And for example, like target champions only is a

[34:34] my cursor lights up? don't think. >> Oh, [ __ ] Let me change it so I can Wait. >> I I I think I see what you mean though,

[34:47] >> I don't know if you have this like you can see it now. that essentially does is it means that I can't click on anything except for champions. Like, my mouse just won't click on it.

[34:59] diving, because when you're tower diving, sometimes you'll click the tower champion, and then you'll fist miss your lethal. click on a minion. >> Is that a modifier you have it on?

[35:13] >> Is that a modifier you have it on? >> Uh yeah, it's just a it's just a um I think it's somewhere in here that you can turn it on. Target champions only. >> So, you would spam T if you're like if there's a bunch of stuff

[35:28] um on top of that champion, like a tower, a bunch of minions, you would hit >> Yeah. Uh yeah, exactly. Because, well, you can use A click or whatever. But, for settings, like you should have it you

[35:41] button for a target champions only, and then you should go here and make it so have to hold it. >> So, you would hit T and then you could >> Yeah. So, if I'm going for like a tower dive, I will just press T, and then I'll

[35:54] press it off afterwards. Or, if I'm like all inning someone on mid wave and I'm have, I would say. >> Cool. Yeah. have things like show spell costs on, which is pretty important, yeah. Cuz

[36:07] then you can measure your all ins uh timings on the chat as well is important. And uh yeah, I think you're fine. >> When on your uh key bind for uh auto attack, do you use auto attack click or

[36:19] just normal Like, what's your A bound to? >> So, I'm I would say 99% of players use A click. I don't. I use smart class A click, uh which is very bad.

[36:32] but you'll see when I press A, it just hits the nearest target. but a lot of people use A click because A click can help you like direct it way you any direction. This just hits the closest thing.

[36:46] Okay. But, I would say like 99% of pros use A already, stick to it. >> I I use I think I have it how you have it where it's like A automatically attacks where the mouse is at.

[37:01] >> But, I'm pretty sure >> Okay. help you over like if there's a champion here and there's a minion close, even if I toggle champions only, it'll still hit the minion instead of the champion.

[37:15] >> That's only for where your mouse is the target champions only. So, the A click champion instead of the minion. That's the difference. If there's a minion A click will make it so you hit the champion. A press will you'll hit the

[37:28] minion. >> Right. things. You'll learn them. Trust me. Like I said, just smash your head into you'll you'll start to feel like tempo in the game, you know, when you're ahead

[37:42] do things on the map. You'll feel like, "Oh [ __ ] I got good timings for this naturally like things will fall into place. >> All right. That This is very helpful. I I think one of the biggest takeaways

[37:55] excuse if I ever die now of limit testing. So, like now it's like there's It's either getting the kill or limit testing, which is like a win-win. >> Have one goal, and your one goal should

[38:09] be, "Okay, I've pushed out a side wave on my Ryze or Z. What can I do?" And sometimes the answer's going to be nothing. But, you have a timing here, and if you use this timing, you'll go from silver to plat. This one timing. I

[38:21] on the map. This will win you so many games in in silver to gold. >> Sick. Okay, that's actually really helpful with side laning cuz I mean I side lane a lot, but I I haven't really like thought about each

[38:34] phase I think about that. Like okay, I push my wave, what can I do? But when I'm side laning I normally just only side lane. Like I just kind of like >> Yeah. >> And the options would be like the

[38:48] options would be like ganking, jungle, stealing jungle, hitting an objective or what like what are what are other options in between a side laning wave? >> Uh side laning wave I would say your two main options should be basing or

[39:02] mid, you know. Like you push the wave, you're either basing in fog and you're pinging here. Can we dive them? Can we kill them? I have a turn. kind of like a turn-based game. When you have a turn, if you action on your turn,

[39:16] you don't action your turn and you just like Like they push the side wave, it's hitting the tier two, and they just stand there, and they like try and poke the enemy laner. Like they're just

[39:28] "Oh, I'm just going to throw this spell, do five damage, and run away, and I'm going to do 10." Just leave. Either you dive him or you get the [ __ ] out. dive him or you get the [ __ ] out. >> Right. Okay, got it.

[39:42] lose a game it's like, "Bro, you got Kaytril coaching and you you still lost hopeless." >> No, you're going to pop off. You're Hey, thank you so much, man.

[39:55] about something, let me know. >> Yo, sounds good. Thank you, man. I I >> All right, no worries. Good luck. Have a good one. Peace. >> Peace. >> Kaytril, ladies and gentlemen. Holy

[40:09] crap. That So, that was like that started off as Zed coaching, but I learned a lot of fundamentals, too. Like Like even on the rise, I think I It's analogy, I think helped a lot, too. That was awesome.

[40:22] That was really, really awesome. Cool. Cool. Now, guys, if we lose, it's limit testing. Or if we die, it's limit testing. It's not a big deal if we die, okay, guys? You know? Chatters, how about this? If If I die,

[40:38] can you guys as chatters from now on just say W limit test? Every time we die, if I see that, like I'm going to be so chill. Just W limit test. No.