Patch 12.0.7 And Its Shadow... A WoW Podcast Episode #70

[01:33] >> and welcome to a WOW podcast. Obviously episode number >> 70 >> it is. Welcome welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the stream if you're watching us record it live on YouTube or the

[01:46] Twitch in um and welcome to us in your your preferred podcast listening platform which may or may not still assume that still happens right. >> It still happens. We are back from the

[02:00] US survey. Hello. We are here to talk about the World of Warcraft. We're here to talk about World of Warcraft patches which are getting rolled out like >> I'm getting steamrolled. >> Except like not like one of those.

[02:14] >> Not in a fun way. >> I'm being plowed by patches. first. >> So it's it's early. It's 9:30 in the morning for you. We're going to have a discussion about this. I mean, listen,

[02:29] man. I've already decided, the reason I didn't give this episode this title is Weekly Reset this week, >> is there too much content? talking about today. Um, we'll be talking about shitty [\h__\h] shop stuff.

[02:47] >> Okay. No, seriously. I and I mentioned this to Tally yesterday, but I'm going to make a video that is me recreating the treehouse exterior piece by piece and uh just using it, building like normal items that are not on the shop.

[03:02] >> I know. I've already done it. >> You've already done it. I know. all. >> You've already built a treehouse. I already built a tree I built a treehouse when it was still like on the

[03:14] Maybe you don't want to talk about any of that. Maybe you would rather talk about something else like how nice Evie's sweater is. You can do that just by dropping us some dough basically. Super chat us up the wazoo. Um and we

[03:29] show. >> Yeah, YouTube viewers drop us a super chat if you want a question. Likewise, uh members on YouTube get a special shout out and I see we've got someone joined already. So, um we we'll have a

[03:42] we'll give you a proper acknowledgement at the end of the show. Um, but yeah, us to talk about, not talk about. >> And Twitch viewers, uh, we see you. We see you when you say hi in the chat and when you sub. Uh, thank you for watching

[03:56] this live as well. [clears throat] Yeah. Awesome. Um, so yeah, if you're uh, you know, obviously you can't super chat us. You can still become a member like. >> And you worked hard on that [\h__\h] That's

[04:09] all I'm saying. >> You can do super thanks on videos >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I've done that before, actually. Why weren't we uh Why didn't we do a weekly reset this week? Um uh

[04:22] is it because we're shills and we don't like talking about wow when it's bad? >> Well, [laughter] it was conveniently timed. Uh so so the

[04:35] reason uh we are doing this podcast at such a strange hour is because uh we were busy yesterday catching up because we got back from America earlier this week. Uh we got back from FanFest in Anaheim which I have to say was an

[04:51] absolute treat. I loved it. I had such a good time. Um I we got to I broke out good time. Um I we got to I broke out the Osmo Pocket. We got a new camera and uh it was so good. Like I absolutely like I'm I'm getting I'm all about like

[05:06] the short form content. Vlogs. We're going back to 2010. We're going back back in time. We're doing vlogs. >> awesome. [laughter] Yeah. Your love of short form content is why you're such a

[05:19] >> Exactly. Cuz you [laughter] cuz you don't do it. Cuz you're you're very long form person. >> Oh, really? Cuz I was making like a sexual innuendo. But let's carry No, let's carry this on. Tell everyone what

[05:32] a long form like kind of guy I am. This is excellent. [laughter] the office, you're watching like a sixh hour like long video. You also can

[05:44] >> Can we clarify that it's like a not porn because we are talking sexual. I just six-hour porn video. >> It's like a take minutes. >> It's one of those six-hour video game essays that are just apparently the only

[05:57] that's serious now. >> Yeah. or or that or I I like there are each other for hours on end about like one thing or another and I like that [\h__\h] too. So yeah, but basically as long as it's it's really really long. Hence

[06:11] why we released like a an hourong video yesterday not just a clips collection but us going through 10 years of the weekly reset and 10 years of intro skits

[06:23] to the weekly reset working as a bit of a timeline as a bit of a as a bit of a like um time capsule. >> Yeah, it's I loved going through those >> charting wow over 10 years uh through one and a half minute [\h__\h] posts

[06:37] Lovely video. One of those ones that's just going to sit there quietly kind of evergreen. Just like Blizz, we're into evergreen FanFest. >> No. Uh, we did very quickly. We had a

[06:51] really good time. It was really lovely. We um got to spend some time with Garrett and Kyle from Grinding Gear. We had an impromptu. >> Well, exactly. Impromptu Wow Killer uh reunion. We were so We were literally

[07:07] So, we didn't even have time to take a proper photo together. >> No, we didn't. But we did go and see the uh Primals concert together, which is very very cool. >> I absolutely I I loved that so much. Um

[07:19] I just like it was it was so good. Um a genuine like genuine pleasure to be at a convention uh that was not Blizzcon because I love BlizzCon, but it was

[07:32] great to get like a kind of an a different view. Um I really enjoyed the different view. Um I really enjoyed the panels. I really enjoyed. Um, uh, oh my goodness, Moxin, that's incredible. I didn't even know

[07:45] legends. >> Cheers, Moxin. Wow. there, Mox. >> That's amazing. Oh my goodness. >> On YouTube as well. Fantastic. >> Wow, that that has perked me right up.

[08:00] >> Wow, that that has perked me right up. Cheers, Mox. Um, so loved uh loved watching the panels. Uh really enjoyed the announcement of Ever really enjoyed the announcement of Ever Cold cuz uh I like cold fantasy

[08:12] >> Dude, give me that snowy expansion. >> Like hopefully Last Titan as well in >> Yeah, exactly. They they may be like timed. [laughter] >> 2027 is going to be the cold expansion year, the snowy expansion year. 2027,

[08:28] the year after tomorrow. >> Yes. Um cannot wait. Um, so, uh, that great. I like I I really enjoy watching great. I like I I really enjoy watching Yoshi P as a dev like and as a presenter

[08:42] Yoshi P as a dev like and as a presenter like he has so much RZ. He like he knows how to own a stage and that is not a skill that many game devs have. Um, it skill that many game devs have. Um, it was it was like really uh just a joy to

[08:57] watch him doing his thing. It was a joy to watch the community troll him openly, to watch the community troll him openly, lovingly. Um, and uh, it was cool. It was great. I just um, I really loved it. Uh, and while we were there,

[09:11] [laughter] >> well, >> people did not love our interview with Paul Cubic that we did while we were up >> So, we were, you know, we've we've we had this FFest trip planned for months

[09:25] had this FFest trip planned for months now. And um you know a day or two before now. And um you know a day or two before uh 12.0.5 came out and there were some issues. I think we can agree there was

[09:40] >> it was buggier than Starship Troopers mate. Oh yeah, it um it happened. And uh literally like we know we were about to get on a plane and we're like, so funny that like the week then when we're not really playing WoW, we're

[09:57] FanFest." Um but so you know, we were doing that, but then while we were in the area, we're like, "Hey, we are literally

[10:09] very we're like right by Blizz HQ. you know, we should we should take this opportunity. And again, this is before planned beforehand. We're like, let's neighborhood, maybe we can stop by and say hello. Maybe we can see if we can

[10:23] coordinate an interview with someone. Um, you know, let's see what's possible. Um, and we reached out and yeah, and they were like, yeah, sure. Let's let's uh let's set you up. And they set us up with Paul Cubit and we were like,

[10:36] fantastic. Really, really nice. You know, we I think our only other What happened was they sent an email in the in the Slack channel and they were like, >> any want to do an interview? They're in town. Is there anyone who will take this

[10:49] Friday? >> There was pretty much empty in there to people in that office at any one time these days. There's a lot of work and Paul, fair play to him, >> you know, respect where it's due.

[11:04] >> We'll do it. Yeah, >> I'll take the hit. >> I'll I'll I'll do that on my Friday." >> Yeah. Exactly. I will spend my Friday afternoon chatting with these jokers. Um, which is which was really sweet and

[11:17] know, we sent through a bunch of questions beforehand. And then, yeah, as we were, you know, on on route, we were like, well, you know, we should probably mention the patch. Should we mention the patch? For me it

[11:33] was like you know how many times do you get to have an interview with a dev you know as things are happening about those things usually dev interviews go out and they're in like big blocks of interviews and you know there'll be a couple of

[11:46] people and so it be the same old stuff it be part of like um you know advertising uh a patch or you know announced and you're going to talk about it. Yeah. It's very very rare that like

[12:01] >> and you know it goes to [\h__\h] or whatever and you're like wow it would be really >> Uh and and you actually get the opportunity to do that. So that was like thought that was terrific. And you know when we got in there I was like yo we're

[12:16] >> the new patch. Is that okay? Like and he and Paul was like yeah of course like obviously you will like um you know the bugs and stuff like that. Um, and uh, you know, it's hard because what do you expect him to say? Like Blizzard already

[12:32] point. >> Mhm. >> So, I think a lot of the negative reaction to that interview comes from the fact that a lot of people basically just wanted to see Paul Cubic cry.

[12:44] >> You know, like a lot of people basically wanted us to sit there like like in the stops. >> Just like a public humiliation. Yeah. wanted to see us like see him whip himself like uh you know and and like I

[13:01] understand that sentiment obviously but the fact is like Blizzard had already the fact is like Blizzard had already apologized however meekly and shitly and unsatisfyingly but like pushing for any kind of that kind of reaction is only

[13:16] ever going to get you know referred to the blue post. It's like, well, like we and at that stage, you're just going through over old [\h__\h] And I don't know, Because, you know, and I I saw a lot of comments

[13:31] you didn't hold them to account." And it's like, I don't really want to hold [\h__\h] >> It's like, I want to know what they're going to do, >> you know? I don't want an apology. I

[13:45] I want him to do? I don't want him to cry. No, exactly. I don't want to humiliate someone. You don't achieve anything from that apart from internet internet cred for that. >> Well, exactly. Yeah.

[13:57] people in in the audience, and I'm not even saying this is wrong or bad. It's there are genuinely people in the audience who would have rather we'd audience who would have rather we'd spent those 25 minutes basically making

[14:11] Paul feel bad >> than they'd rather they'd rather that than me asking about tank tuning or or like uh the story line or saying I we were ever going to get those Armani customizations like questions which I

[14:26] thought have interesting answers. >> Yeah. I think people would rather I the entire time making Paul feel bad, which is fine, but I'd rather ask those questions and get good answers. Right >> now, if we were talking to Mike Kubara,

[14:39] >> Oh, I [\h__\h] on him. I make that I make that make that dick feel bad. >> Do you remember when you literally gutted the entire QA department? between that him and Paul Cuba [laughter] is?

[14:51] >> He's not a dev. >> No. Exactly. He's he's like a water everything that is bad about video games. Whereas Paul Cuba is a literal dev who makes things, you know, and and that's the difference. Um like

[15:07] all [\h__\h] >> Exactly. Like and Paul's just a man trying his best. >> Yeah. Exactly. You know, um so so yeah, I I agree with you, Tally. I totally understand. like people are we're just

[15:20] understand. like people are we're just seeing red and they're like yo we need I we need to feel validated and how angry we are and that's what the internet is for. Um >> and you know what in the weekly reset

[15:32] >> that's what that's what the weekly reset is foret video YouTube videos is where you vent and and make a dev feel bad if they watch it. Um, but I I think a face tof face interview just apart from the fact that it's just a bit [\h__\h] rude

[15:45] just not going to get good answers. And I we've learned that over the years, ever seen >> with creators and wow devs are when they out to be a bit snide and to make a point cuz you just get nothing. You get

[16:00] nothing good. You get no food. You get no sustenance from those interviews. Like you might get some enjoyment with seeing a dev look bad or like feel bad. across incredibly mature and like it's always it's always the creator that

[16:12] looks bad in those situations, but like you might see them feel bad, but you questions. >> Yeah. >> Um in my view, I can also understand why people would be frustrated with

[16:24] people would be frustrated with >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Um uh yeah, you and like, you know, Louis threw man spirit and just kind of sit and stare daggers at someone until they crumble, right? Like it that's not, you know,

[16:40] >> Well, also you can't do that with WOW devs because they're they're media unless you stop them. >> Exactly. And that's and that's the thing, right? Like and and Paul does Morgan Day is the best for this. Like

[16:53] Morgan Day at the beginning of an interview and you could not say anything Morgan Day would talk in circles and circles and circles all the way through to the end of the uh like uh um uh interview because that's just how

[17:07] have to know when to kind of go okay so I'm going to ask a different question frankly >> I just realized his name translates to >> that's a good that's really good [laughter] that's really nice yeah um so

[17:23] yeah so we you know as as a treat we were lucky to to get that interview and really quite nice and productive trying to hear a bit more about um the lore and

[17:35] kind of the future from Paul. Um, >> it looks like uh Paul was not lying uh when we asked him about the night elves and oh, the uh the elf story lines and

[17:47] expanded on and the tensions and stuff cuz there is does seem to be a bit of a >> There's a new patch already. >> I know. But we'll move on to it. We'll >> I just got back. >> Unlike Blizz, we're going to take a bit

[18:00] [laughter] >> Oh god, >> Oh god, help. understand. So good things that did come

[18:14] out of that interview. >> Um I think I think uh you know >> obviously he didn't break down in tears and apologize about uh the bugs in the patch and I mean it is a buggy patch. there are kind of like

[18:27] >> it feels like there are fundamental structural in like integral problems in the code somewhere at the moment because um you know I if I want to open some mail or >> open a uh repair mount in raid or um

[18:46] apply some weapon oil [laughter] before a mythic plus I got to make sure I I because there's like a 1 in 10 chance that [\h__\h] It's just going to freeze, >> For a little while. Um or, you know, if

[19:00] I land too quickly and click on something too quickly after landing, there's a very real chance that stuff is just going to completely freeze. And um there. And then of course there was all that [\h__\h] with the rerolls,

[19:13] I'm really glad that bug happened because I went in on reset day and I got my rolls and I went into uh the dream rift and I spent my rolls trying to get the [\h__\h] dream rift trinket. Did I get the dream rift trinket?

[19:28] >> Did I? [\h__\h] sticks. wasn't the dream rift trinket. I tried pushing mythic plus, right? So, I was getting the the the light blinded uh

[19:41] right? The one that's really good at Mythic Plus, it puts like a little that, especially as a disc priest because it's basically like an extra okay, good. I love that kind of stuff. I'm going after that one. So, sorry, my

[19:54] mistake. Uh, I queued and I into I pugged a uh heroic um like blinded vanguard. Did spent my rerolls, did not get my [\h__\h] trinket. I was like, boo. came back from uh Anaheim,

[20:11] reset. >> Realized that I'd been given two extra rerolls as like a sorry or whatever, which I did not need. I spent them. I square. Did not get the thing I wanted. Fair and square. And I was like, well,

[20:26] okay. Went uh went back into raid, pugged the whole of Void Spire, got to uh light blinded Vanguard, used my re because of course rewards you can use as many times as you like. Yeah. >> And uh and got my trinket.

[20:39] >> No. >> So basically, thanks. >> Meanwhile, some people are still getting duplicates. >> Yeah, >> I don't care cuz I got I got mine.

[20:54] >> But I still don't have the dream yet because [\h__\h] me, that's why. So, uh, yeah. No, obviously like and and you know what, people will be very forgiving be forgiving of like the flaws in housing going funny. No, but they will

[21:09] they'll be forgiving of it, right? Um they uh they'll be forgiving of uh you know like stuttering and and FPS losses and you know weird things happening and

[21:21] the odd freeze here and there. What people will never ever forgive, I have learned in my 10 years, they'll never forget if you dick around with their >> Yeah. Do not >> never dick around with their loot, fam.

[21:33] They're not going to let you off the hook for that one. And and genuinely >> Oh, absolutely. >> Um, so yeah, there are it has been a very buggy patch. >> Has it been so like a lot of the a lot

[21:47] on this by the way. I'm just putting it out there. I'm not arguing one way or another, but the discourse around the place at the moment is, you know, is the

[21:59] place at the moment is, you know, is the uh is the 8week cadence for patches is that causing patches to be more buggy? Like is is the

[22:11] uh stability of the game and the uh the the quality of the game going down discourse. What do you think? I have a theory. >> Oh, what's your theory? >> Um I Well, yeah. Uh I think that uh one,

[22:29] yes, there is some quality loss uh along the way because of the super fast patch cadence, but I think they literally don't care again because it's so fast >> there. It's it be we're being sorry to keep using this metaphor, but it's too

[22:43] early. We're just being steamrolled with >> we are being plowed. we're being, you know, uh we are con constantly being hit by waves of content. We feel like it's a bit fast. Um but because of that, like

[22:58] you are always getting another thing to worry about and to you know those uh bugs that came around with the last patch, you know, they're they're in the past now. Like not not for the player, right? You you remember that there are

[23:11] like, "Oh, yeah. Oh, really? There were bugs eight weeks ago? Well, there there worry [laughter] about you don't have to worry about those bugs. Who cares about those bugs? Those are for a system that only lasts for eight weeks. And like I

[23:25] can't help but feel um a little bit overwhelmed when I look feel and I know a lot of them are meaningless or cosmetic or just for >> well, you still have to go out and learn that they're meaningless and cosmetic.

[23:41] that's the thing, like all these things hitting, it's still like you have to sites are completely useless for one thing, but fun for another thing. Like I right? Um and that's that's mental load. That's effort that you're putting into

[23:55] >> It's a lot. And uh when we were talking to to Paul, one of the kind of phrases he he used and kind of talking about the roll out of content was, you know, they're thinking of it as like this weekend. Wow. Right. Uh and when I heard

[24:08] that, I was like, oh yeah, cool. I like that. I like to keep up with, you know, weekly content, keeping up with with things on the regular. Um, could not help but noticed, uh, at FanFest the announcement of, uh, kind of new weekly

[24:22] stuff coming in for Final Fantasy 14 as well. I'm like, this is familiar to me. >> Oh, the wowification of Final Fantasy 14 is a real thing going into Ever. We're gonna talk about that in another video. But um there's uh you know and so

[24:37] I I uh I I I get that right. But at the same time I'm now seeing it. I'm now reframing that idea of this week in wow. And uh to me it's starting to feel like well oh yeah you uh yeah there's more content. I don't care if you're up on it

[24:53] more. Every week there's more. If you miss a week you're going to feel a bit like [\h__\h] If you miss two weeks even more so. Um, and I think with the sheer amount of stuff, I know that, okay, if I don't, you know, uh, do loads of decor

[25:09] duels, I I get what I'm missing out there. But, you know, again, these multiple currencies, everything coming in, everything then being like tossed away like abyss anglers. This is a system for picked up the question.

[25:21] >> How many weeks? Exactly. I've just got like I've just got a purple triangle on like will I ever >> Yeah, >> Yeah. >> But on PTR bit like Chromy time though

[25:34] sort of thing. >> And it's and it's funny because there was a point uh in Midnight early on, you know, with war bands with this kind of general alt friendliness where I was like, "Okay, now is the time for me to

[25:49] like get more serious about my alts." You may have seen some of them were expansions. Now is the time. And now I'm like, no, no. Uh, I'm not messing around with all these currencies on like an alt,

[26:05] >> you know. Okay, sure. I can a lot of things are warbound. I can get lots of gear. I can gear people up quickly. I I the the cumulative effect of this for might be like, oh, cool. There's always something going on. That's fine. For me,

[26:20] it's become a little bit like I'm I'm I'm hitting that wall of, oh, do I even bother getting started with this? I mean, I have to because it's my job, but >> yeah, >> is are the bugs getting worse? Okay, we

[26:36] cadence in just a second because obviously that's really important. But obviously that's really important. But like the discourse is are these patches like quite apart from whether it's too much content or we can keep up or

[26:48] >> Is it making the quality of the game worse objectively as in there are more feels that way. >> Does it? Because I and like I say, I'm because I don't know. >> Does it genuinely feel like that?

[27:03] because I I kind of feel like there's just always bugs and always have been since day one of WoW and indeed any MMO, right? And I don't like it. I'm not defending it, but it does seem to just be a fact of releasing content in an MMO

[27:16] space. I've never known an MMO could release like a significantly sized patch without like a lot of issues and stuff. So, you know, either everyone is just true. Um, or there's just something about MMOs like there's there's certain

[27:30] until there's like a million players in it basically, which I would understand, it basically, which I would understand, you know. Um, and like have have it has not I don't know if it has. Like certainly it's unfair to compare it to

[27:44] if you do go back to vanilla, you know, the game used to go down for days at a time while they fixed stuff back then, you know, and and it wasn't unusual for that to happen. Um, likewise going back to Legion and stuff, I remember some

[27:58] horrendous patches. I remember like and you know, are the bugs now worse than that? And they're bad and and this patch was a particularly buggy patch, but like as an overall trend, are we seeing the uh

[28:13] quality of patches go down in correlation to the 8week cadence? And I don't know if I can say we we are. I I don't know if I can say that's true or not. I think maybe just uh the like proportionally there are more bugs

[28:26] because there's more content. There are more bugs, right? Like we you know there are there's the content every week, every eight weeks now. So we get bugs every eight weeks now. >> And and just to be fair to Paul Cubit,

[28:39] uh he did say that um this week in WoW thing in relation to the raid roll out. He wasn't necessarily talking about like uh you know patches coming out all the >> No, you're right. the the the phrase has stuck in my head and I have a feeling

[28:52] >> I'm just I'm just making sure we put it in like the correct context. >> Oh yeah. Um I have a feeling it has probably bounced around behind the scenes. uh you know um so yeah so I think bugwise it's like we have more

[29:04] content we have more bugs >> right I think you know they're more visible they're um >> I guess sorry so just to interject that is a a thing to consider is that yeah we get we get bugs with every patches so

[29:18] the more patches we get the more times there's going to be oh it's a bit buggy doesn't necessarily mean there'll be less bugs if there were less patches proportionately it would be the same.

[29:32] >> It could be, but I think but I but I I can't help but feel like uh this kind of increase. >> It's it's impossible not to feel that especially when we know that QA was gutted and uh like you know thanks Mikey

[29:47] Barara piece of [\h__\h] Um but uh yeah, of course I I completely understand that. I >> I'm always

[29:59] game for a long time. >> Mhm. >> Oh, yeah. >> All right. I live I live through WAD. I didn't cuz I >> I lived through I lived through that

[30:13] >> slowing down initially of content in um uh BFA after Legion was so swift >> which like >> started getting slower. It was like the battery just started running out in BFA >> and it just like got slower and slower

[30:29] until we got to Shadowlands. And I lived through that [\h__\h] man. I've lived through WAD. I've lived through Shadowlands. And I don't think I'm ever gonna be able to stand up, hand on my heart, and say genuinely, there's too

[30:44] I don't think I'm ever going to be able to do that because, you know, I've been through the trauma of of not having content. Okay, I know what it's like and I know all the bad things that come with it. How edgy it makes everyone, how uh

[31:00] content that does come out because you're scared. you're scared that this is all you're going to get for a while, you know, for a long time, you know. I I you know, for a long time, you know. I I remember how uh like

[31:13] >> I remember how edgy everyone is in the community when when cadence is slow and applaud Blizz for kind of, uh >> tackling and addressing what I consider

[31:28] to have been the main problem with World of Warcraft in Shadowlands, you know. um in Shadowlands was the cadence and that's what caused the issues more the only problem obviously but like I I still consider that the main problem and

[31:42] you know this is them tackling it and maybe they've overcorrected a little bit but I I you know I'll leave that for other people to say I personally as a person am never ever going to be able to stand up and say no too much content

[31:54] >> you're right >> um but if other people want to do that I'm not going to disagree with them ne necessarily maybe. Um, but I just can't >> Uh, I do

[32:08] I look at all like the the kind of cool events and stuff coming in. Um, and like here's a little event and you can get this you can earn this thing from and stuff which is perfect. It's brilliant. It's genuinely like what the

[32:23] game should be doing. Um, but I and then I think back to what it was like when I hit max level on an alt for the first time in Dragon Flight and everything not know what was going on. And I'm like, why is the Abyss Anglers?

[32:38] >> Why is that got a a purple question mark? WHY IS THAT GOT THAT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT? When I'm a new player and I come in after I've missed a patch or whatever, or oh, I've just hit max level for the first time and there's this very

[32:51] the way over there. >> Yeah. >> And I go over there and I'm told to go [\h__\h] fishing. >> This is not This is not useful. >> Yeah. So, I'm with you. I'm I'm I'm you

[33:03] know, I'm I'm complaining, but I'm not actually complaining that there's so much content. I'm with you. like the I would I would be far more upset if I was waiting 9 months for a patch, right? You know, um that being said, like because

[33:18] they know that people they need to balance like people who do want to play all of the time and want content all of the time and keep up with it, but also the people who, you know, will look at what is coming for a patch and be like,

[33:32] do that. That's not tied to power. I don't need to do that. I don't want cosmetics. I don't need that. um I'm not going to feel bad for skipping that. So because of that, there's going to be a certain amount of content per patch that

[33:46] like really doesn't matter. >> And that's kind of a I think that's what little bit. >> So I Yeah, I I agree. >> And yeah, sorry, but I mean like it it doesn't

[33:59] >> it will come and it will go, [laughter] right? And uh and it will be really everything has to be meaningful. Not everything has to be, you know, Abyss there. >> Yeah. But like how of how often are you

[34:14] going to do it, right? How be gone from your Okay. What you mean is you will do >> it will be gone from your radar. It'll be gone from the things that you do. So um that's different. That's that's kind of different. I think that's what I'm

[34:27] like this this there's always going to be something to do but because of that the not all of it is going to be meaningful or interesting to you. >> No. And I think I think the idea is that that is the case. I think I think

[34:41] we're putting out this stuff in this patch. There might only be one thing in. >> That's cool isn't it? Right. know these things that you're not interested in doesn't really matter.

[34:54] Just don't do them. And that's definitely the kind of vibe they're they're running they're going into. And I think as WoW players, we rightly or wrongly have a hard time, you know, uh, conceptualizing that

[35:10] >> that everything is attached to some important reward. >> Yes. >> Right. Like any new content must be a reason I have to do it, right? >> Well, achievements. Well, exactly. But

[35:23] like you know so so >> you can look at a patch and go wow stuff and then you look at like how much of it is actually interesting to me how rewards that I really really want and that's going to be less right and and

[35:37] maybe if you look at it in those terms it's not so overwhelming you still have to take on the mental load of doing that you know it's not just done for you but is is there an like I say I'm I don't really know I'm

[35:51] just shitballing here But like, >> yeah, it's like it's like spitballing >> yeah, it's like it's like spitballing but like sassier. And like maybe maybe patches a bit and like instead of looking at them and going, "Oh, I've got

[36:04] to do all this." Look at them go, "Well, what do I want to do? What what is just >> But we're WoW players >> and like what this is what Yeah, need to change. >> Wow. Oh man, that's too that's too heavy

[36:18] >> now for me. Like so, so I let's let's before we get on to the new patch, uh, give me your impressions on the the new patch that just came out. [laughter] hasn't come out, let's talk about the new patch that has just come out. Um,

[36:32] content in that? >> Um, I have to say, uh, yeah, doing the the like the little voidy invasions are the like the little voidy invasions are fine. Um, Abyss Anglers again. I did it

[36:46] on the PTR, but I have not yet done it on live, but I will. There will be a time where I'm like, guess I should do that fishing [\h__\h] and I'll do it. Um, that fishing [\h__\h] and I'll do it. Um, however, uh, ritual sites,

[37:00] I I have found them a bit interesting. >> I like ritual sites. >> I like ritual sites. >> I like how powerful they can make me. Like, I'm still grinding for hero gear in all my slots.

[37:12] >> Yeah. And the fact that I can do a level five ritual site and I automatically get higher gear than a delve. Like delves were delves were my go-to. And now I'm like, "Oh, I can I have another option for open world content, which like I

[37:30] haven't done any new group and it'll obviously be would be much easier if I actually just do do some group content. Um, but I love as a solo player primarily that I can just go into like a ritual site and uh fill up my vault, get

[37:46] some good gear, go hunt, you know, cosmetics and like there's there's a cool mount you can get in there. A couple of cool mounts. Um, yeah. going to care about ritual sites, but now I'm like

[38:00] >> That's really interesting to me. And there's obviously a debate to be had irrelevant and stuff like that. And that's a conversation I literally just can't be bothered having right now. Um but that's interesting because I I I

[38:13] come I haven't I haven't had time to do any ults in this expansion at all. I'm expansion yet. >> Yeah. Wild, isn't it? at Del I'm coming at um ritual sites from a slightly different point of view.

[38:26] >> And it's like I've thoroughly enjoyed ritual sites not as something to grind or level in or to to gear up in, but just as something to complete. to complete them all with all the challenges and like get all the

[38:40] >> an afternoon. me. But I really enjoyed it and it was super fun. It's like, yeah, no like yeah, I'm going to need some more of that currency to buy some more of

[38:52] orcs in there and stuff like that to get it. Um, and it and it'll be fun. And >> Yeah. Yeah. >> In the new patch, ritual site's going up to tier six. >> Oh, in difficulty. And there is a new

[39:05] >> Um, in Harit. >> Oh, very fun. I love Harendar [\h__\h] Sorry. I I think the Harendar delves are the best elves. You know, you know the the like the windy corridor memory. I love gold

[39:19] >> It's really good. I >> Shame on Never Going again with ritual sites now. But >> the the vines that pull up the big >> Oh, I love that [\h__\h] >> Make my day. Um that Yeah. Uh yeah. And

[39:34] it's funny because there was a point after uh in like the first few weeks of Midnight. God, can't it hasn't been that long. It hasn't been around that long. But in the first few weeks of Midnight where I was like, right, uh, you know,

[39:47] I've like I've completed all the story quests. I've got my, you know, lore master, whatever. You know, now, you know, now it's time. And I was flying around Harendar and I was like, guess it's time to farm all these moths. Guess

[40:01] it's time to just fly around and mindlessly click on moths. And then no, new another patch came. Suddenly there was more content. So, so I' the only thing that I'm missing out on is that like slightly dead period when I'm just

[40:15] like should I just, [laughter] you know, should I I want to eventually I'm not it's not I'm not highly motivated to do it, but like should I? >> So, uh so that's uh that's the only thing really. But yeah, uh I from what

[40:31] I've played of this patch um I have enjoyed Yeah. Ritual Sites is is sticking out to me as a as a cool thing. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And you know, I we Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And you know, I we don't want any kind of major um gameplay

[40:45] think that would be overwhelming. >> No. Exactly. >> You know, like I don't I don't want anything I have to push like as you play it like this, but competitive kind of content as as it would be class like

[40:58] raid or or mythic plus. I'm just enjoying pushing mythic score very very week. >> Very nice. All good. Paong got in there, realized I was in raid spec as it

[41:10] >> and I had no chance of going out and switching and then coming back out again because that tank was off, man. But it was like literally one of the smoothest dungeons I've ever done. It was like so easy. Uh that team knew exactly what

[41:22] since then as well. So yeah, it was um it was it was cool. I'm I'm having a good time in Mythic Plus at the moment. Um despite disc being [\h__\h] now, >> Mhm. >> It's good. Um so Okay. Okay. Uh I I'm

[41:36] also enjoying uh the new patch. I haven't done any invasions yet or incursions. >> They take way too long. They take to fill the bar to 100%. It's insane. And >> I bought them on PTR just to test them.

[41:49] >> Yeah. Yeah. I've only ever like I've dipped into the little invasion sites the the quest is done. >> Aspect was tanking for me in that. >> Oh, nice. Oh, amazing. Thank you for carrying him. Um

[42:03] carrying him. Um uh but the actual like the main invasion right? >> Like I get I get that they're on all either, do they? Fine. Yeah. The few times that I've popped in and looked at

[42:17] it, I'm like that has moved like 2% since I last looked at it. Why would I bother? You know, like why why would I bother doing that? patches before we get on to the new patch and what's in it and stuff like

[42:29] >> while we're having this debate. Like I feel you could mitigate a lot of never going to be the man who t stands up and says, "No, eight weeks is too

[42:41] going to do that. I'm really sorry, fam. Like if you're looking for your champion the patch cadence." Even if you're right, and even if I agree you're right, up and say that. Yeah. >> Sorry. I I'm like I I remember the bad

[42:57] times too badly. I'm too deeply scarred by the bad times. I cannot in good conscience ask for like less content and a slower cadence. I can't do it. However, I think like this feeling of being overwhelmed could be mitigated by,

[43:11] you know, they're leaning very hard into the do this content if you want to do it, blahy blah blah blah. Well, why couldn't some of that content be straight up story content? >> Like, why does it always have to be a

[43:27] >> Yeah. you know, and you're going to grind this for this currency. Why can't I've enjoyed about ritual sites is is the oneoff way that I've kind of leveled them all up. I got all my

[43:40] them again with a group if I really want to get all the achievements because you have to do it in a group to get all the achievements. Jesus Christ. Um, so but you know, and I like that anglers exist. I like that invasions exist, but what if

[43:53] what if one of those things didn't exist and instead we had like a substantial and instead we had like a substantial side quest storyline just exploring some introduced to so far in the expansion. Like the thing that everyone says is

[44:06] not that's not what L walking is. Law reminding yourself of stuff that's already happened. >> I'm talking about well, why don't we spend some time with Jan and go on a

[44:18] little adventure with him? Why don't we uh like um hang around with some of the characters in Voidspire or Harendar or like and and do those things which are kind of like the world building, world painting, world kind of deepening quest

[44:33] lines that only really seem to exist at the very beginning of the expansion as side quests. Why don't we have some more of those? Like, and maybe it's being at the story component is always a major component of any new patch. Absolutely.

[44:45] >> Um >> I know why. So what? Why? >> Cuz you need a human to do it. You need you need actual like it takes time and effort to come up with like proper you. But I think I think you know let's give

[44:59] some feedback beyond no it's too much >> and let's be like okay well how can how can this be better because I like the cadence. Okay I like it but like my feedback would be let's lose one of the three or four ontimer events per patch

[45:14] or two of them if we have to. I'll live with that. And let's let's have a substantial bit of story which would otherwise be like, you know, where where else would you put it? Where else would you put like going on an

[45:28] adventure with this character that isn't like integral to the main plot, but you which isn't even an adventure, just like some character stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I I >> It would, but you can't do that on a 10e

[45:42] >> Uh can't you? I mean, you can to some >> I don't I don't know if you can, >> but yeah, I I think I think I think it's easier to create a a handful of throwaway systems

[45:55] throwaway systems >> using stuff that they have in place. Uh, it's easier to do that than it is to get like a writer's room together, you know, come up with story, deliver story, run it past Chris Madson, run it

[46:08] past Maria Hamilton, put it through the um the the the thing we saw at uh FanFest, which actually I saw Belle tweeting recently, the the process chart

[46:20] tweeting recently, the the process chart of how Michael Christopher Koji Fox gets lyrics made and it's this like I think that because any kind of story content that because any kind of story content has to go through that. Whereas a Abyss

[46:33] fun mini game to fill some time. >> No, you're right. Of course, it's you're >> That's that's that's my understanding. But I think that's what we should be >> I agree with you. I would love I would love to have more story content. I'm not

[46:46] going to lie. Looking at 12.0.7, I am literally the most excited about >> And listen, I love Oh god, me too. I love quests. that >> and they look good as well actually. But

[47:00] um you know like yeah I I I do completely agree with that and yes law walking is fun. I really like it and I really like you know but the law walking I really liked when there's new stuff in there right um and even when there is

[47:12] new stuff in there it's still in amongst the old stuff and it does you know it's a really cool recap and it's a really cool way of recapping stuff but it's exist in the game and you know >> I've done them. Um and like Yeah. Okay.

[47:26] Mhm. >> I I think patches I think that I think that sense of overwhelming systems and currencies and and and things like that currencies and and and things like that which I think in isolation are good,

[47:38] >> but clearly people are feeling burned out by it. Clearly people are feeling overwhelmed by it. Um stories. >> Yeah, I like stories. >> Yeah, I'm down. >> You know, it's my favorite thing about

[47:51] >> that's what I think. That's my That's my feedback. Anyway, um speaking of being overwhelmed by new content, >> uh there's a new patch coming. It's called Oh, wait a minute. >> What's it called?

[48:05] >> Oh, wait. >> Before I talk about the new patch, quick because >> Oh, no. I thought I thought I thought we Everel? >> I'd [\h__\h] love to just talk about the

[48:20] like, "Oh, let's talk about THE NEW PATCH." BUT I CAN'T. And do you know why? Because capitalism is [\h__\h] in my mouth and it's impossible to do anything now apparently without someone just trying to [\h__\h] charge me for it.

[48:35] memberships and donations, guys. Um and like [laughter] things that can possibly happen has happened in my opinion. Ah,

[48:47] >> like I know I know listen I know that I know that Jesse Kenic is at home now like and has been since last night since this [\h__\h] went live. I know that poor poor man and his entire team, bless them, are watching this through their

[49:01] [\h__\h] fingers, you know, like they've been dreading this cuz they don't like >> I don't think they make these decisions. >> Some some dev has worked really really brilliant. >> They're beautiful. So, I want you to

[49:16] know that just like I didn't get my dick out and slap um and slap Paul Cubit around the face with it, just cuz I just cuz I didn't do do that, I'm not doing that with the housing devs. Okay. I have not in in

[49:31] about bugs or anything here. We're not talking about stuff going wrong. We're doing their work and making things. I >> like no criticism of the the devs on

[49:44] clear before we get into what is going to be a big [\h__\h] on the floor. >> Um, I have no criticism of the devs at all. I have no like uh ill will towards all. I have no like uh ill will towards devs who are doing an amazing job by the

[49:58] way. Like so good with housing, you know. Um, and yay for them. these >> that's the worst thing. That's the worst to say and you're right, but >> they're very be like these new items are

[50:13] really beautifully designed. I mean, I can't, you know, we have both built tree houses like very early on in player housing, you know? So, I don't blame the devs when they're like, "Please, let's replicate exactly what T& did."

[50:27] >> They were like, "Holy shit." Clearly, they were like, "Holy [\h__\h] Tales Essen has done." Have you seen Talson's treehouse? Absolutely amazing. Make that >> and then we'll sell it for loads of money and not give Talas any of the

[50:41] >> wait this is exactly like that thing when all those boosting services were like [laughter] we're like copying pasting like >> I get a feeling I get a feeling internally guys the good news is they

[50:55] are testing the copype strings internally cuz THEY JUST COPYPASTED MY [\h__\h] HOUSE AND NOW THEY'RE SELLING IT ON THE [\h__\h] SHOP BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS pretty [\h__\h] Maybe one day we'll get them.

[51:09] >> Yeah. Um they the Yeah. So these new in case you missed it. up. I'm going to bring it up so you can see it right now. The new the new the >> I'll open I'm going to open the shop. >> Will you be able to control your like

[51:22] >> My itchy little but what? >> Itchy [laughter] button pressing finger. >> My itchy little butt. [\h__\h] it up. Hang on. >> Oh. Oh. He Oh no.

[51:34] >> Yeah, I bought the wrong one. Hang on. Hang on now. [laughter] You just keep >> Um, yeah. So, like vis visually I just they're they're very beautiful and they're really beautifully done and clearly designers and devs have put a

[51:48] lot of work into them and clearly I've se I saw some people some people uh buy them and use them and they look be they look extremely good. Yeah.

[52:01] they look extremely good. Yeah. >> They look stunning. Yeah. Um, and I can't fault that, you [laughter] know, like they're they're really really >> The design is incredible, but isn't that the worst part of it, though?

[52:13] >> It makes it hurt that much worse. >> Yeah. Uh, so look, man, you know how I feel about the store. You know, I've I've become slightly like um numb to it and ambivalent about it. Anyway, so let me let me show you the new store items.

[52:29] go. >> It's It's really good. >> Yeah. That's the >> your new the amazing new home exterior >> It's the new tree. >> $50.

[52:43] >> OH, >> that's not the NEW STORE ITEM. THAT'S MY >> WAIT, tell you just we could have been like just [laughter] on it. No, this is my house in World of Warcraft, which I spent a long time

[52:58] I made my little tree. Obviously, I'm not the only person to make a tree house, right? It's an obvious thing to make, but I'm very proud of it and I very much like it and I'm glad I did now because it saved me $75.

[53:12] >> do you want to see the inside of my house? This is why I'm really Okay, put me in a good mood real quick. Just showing you my house. I mean, just ignore the floors. We're working on that. The floors could be Oh, no. The

[53:25] So, uh, here's here's my treehouse, which I'm really really proud of. I love good? >> So, look what I got on the wall. >> Oh, nice one. >> Got my Picasso picture because someone

[53:39] you. I got Look at this. Look how beautiful my tree is. >> This is my favorite part is the pictures on the on the thing. favorite part.

[53:52] >> Yeah. Anyway, so that's that's uh Anyway, and now I got to go to the shop >> You know what, Tally? Some things money just can't buy. >> What can money buy? >> Money can buy this [\h__\h]

[54:05] >> how much >> Well, okay, this is a good question. How [\h__\h] much does it cost? At the end of the day, I don't know. And like I'm sure more likely to buy the thing, right? Just as Blizzard planned, right? That's

[54:20] why they have this frankly evil hearthsteel uh currency attached to it. But I can say hand on heart any temptation I had to buy these >> completely nullified by the currency just because it's more mental load than

[54:36] I can be bothered with. I'm more likely to buy this on a whim. >> Like I could be like >> in a mood one day and and I could just look pretty cool." and if I could just click a button and buy them,

[54:49] >> you know, with just my credit card. But the fact is it's saying, "Oh, it's 7,500 um half steel." I don't [\h__\h] know what that is. I don't know how much that >> I have the opposite reaction or like I think obfuscating the actual price of

[55:04] >> I'm sure that is the common reaction >> is is I'm like, "Oh, how I'll buy however many hard steel packs I need to make this happen." Whatever. reaction. like the research has been done on this, people are going to spend

[55:17] more money. That's why it's so [\h__\h] evil, right? Uh but for me, I'm just lucky. I guess there's nothing wrong with me. My DNA, my brain doesn't work. like, I cannot be [\h__\h] buying I I don't like this is too much thought than

[55:29] I'm willing to put in. If it just says 75 bucks, one day I might buy it on a whim, but like it says 7,500 steel. That's meaningless to me. I I I'm not even going to investigate. It's like off the table as far as I'm concerned. Um,

[55:42] reaction is going to be the opposite of that. beautiful and look look you get like a picnic set and you get like uh more trees and it's really good. I mean, is there a cool like blossom falling

[55:58] animation from the blossomy ones? Those blossom animations from the tree. and balls. >> No. Why did you have to say that? Well, buying it by correctly pointing out that the window looks like a dick and balls.

[56:12] >> like I mean it looks like a dick and balls. So, if you are tempted to buy all your friends going to really like it, just bear in mind the dick and ball window is going to increase your chances of buying it. We don't judge on this

[56:25] channel, but just as long as you're aware that it is a dick and ball window. aware that it is a dick and ball window. Dick balls. There it is. $75. >> [laughter] >> We need to conf

[56:39] them them like that. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, you go and buy it. >> It's [laughter] so beautiful though. >> That did sell me a bit. Yeah, >> it's it's a nice dick and bulls. I mean,

[56:52] doesn't it? Um, anyway, that sucks, doesn't it? We all agree that sucks. Sorry, housing team. That uh >> And then look at that little And there's actually a lot in here if you go into detail. It's really good. You know, the

[57:04] thing that it really I mean, many things about this infuriate me. Um, uh, but look, I only get 10 hedges. I can't do [\h__\h] with 10 hedges. And like, here's

[57:16] the thing. That is so useful. But 10 of them is nothing. I And it's insane. >> One. I know. >> Like even talking about how [\h__\h] it is makes me want to buy it. >> And like the stable, you only get one.

[57:31] So, if you want this [\h__\h] >> I can't I like [\h__\h] that nice windows, especially with the new uh the new kind of things coming in with the patch where >> I was saving that. >> Yeah, sorry. I I I ruined it. But, you

[57:48] >> Tranquility Gardens good. >> Oh, just it made >> I can't I can't buy it. >> No, no, I would be mad even though it's >> It's got fish in it. >> Fish. I know. These assets are so

[58:04] >> beautiful. Like maybe I'll just buy Diablo I 4 and play Diablo I instead of Diablo I 4 and play Diablo I instead of buying a couple of cobblestones. cost more than the game. >> It's Yeah, it costs more than the game

[58:20] >> set, man. Jesus [\h__\h] Christ. And again, people who are buying these, like if housing enthusiasts, like people who you know, I like like I, you know,

[58:32] >> dang, like this is >> Oh, I want I want to reiterate and I agrees with me as well. I hate the shop. I hate the capitalism that makes these shops happen. I hate the equivalent of Mike Gabbara who is water carrying for

[58:45] Hate Microsoft. I hate Blizzard really when it comes down to it. Like [\h__\h] Blizzard. I hate it. But the people who work at Blizzard and the people that really cool, right? Um, and likewise, the people that play the game are

[58:58] generally pretty cool as well. And I I I am not of the opinion, I will never take the side of blame the people buying this stuff. I just can't be doing with that [\h__\h] I don't blame the devs making it. I don't blame the people buying it cuz

[59:10] >> At the end of the day, they do, right? This is a hobby. So, please don't think that not everyone agrees with me on this, and fair enough, opinions, like [\h__\h] etc., everyone's got one. And like, my stance on this is the same it's

[59:24] always been. Like, it's only the people deciding to make this stuff and enforcing it in the game who are to blame here, okay? Not buying it either. Like, if you've bought this, you're not part of the problem,

[59:39] okay? You might be kind of a victim of the problem. Um, but like you shouldn't if you want to buy it. It's your [\h__\h] money. Jesus Christ. Like spend it however you want. And like be proud of it. It's a nice house. I'm jealous. Uh,

[59:53] and like Yeah. You know, so I I I don't agree that the people buying this are part of the problem. I'm sorry. I can't I can't like uh ethical. It's such like I can't like uh ethical. It's such like a little micro sloppy decision. It's so

[1:00:06] >> I said micro sloppy. >> Oh, it's good. It's good. >> Thank you. I'm not the first one, but uh it it it it feels feels bad. >> it feels really bad. Um >> and I know I'm going to walk around the

[1:00:21] neighborhood and people are going to have it and I'm going to be like, stop talking about it now >> and we're going to talk about the new patch. >> New patch. New patch. New patch.

[1:00:33] >> Yeah. >> Um so, showdown. Take a first look at the Midnight Revelations. I like it when a

[1:00:45] patch has a name. This patch doesn't have a name that we're in currently. >> Like, we need a name [laughter] rather than just saying numbers all the time. And so, yeah. Revelations, which will lead us into importantly patch uh 12.1.

[1:01:00] getting pretty strong for that one right now. >> Hint is like direct arrows pointing. And there are some interesting ideas in this patch which uh I I like the sound of in the next content update.

[1:01:12] >> Control in France. Uh but it's an AI voice saying it sadly. Take the next step in thwarting the voices the forces of the void hunting down their leaders and uncovering new sources of power. Hey, I

[1:01:26] sassy in the morning, aren't we? >> I'm just tired. >> We're kind of saving like delayed jet lag. I know. Usually >> I was fine. >> Usually we'd still be just like

[1:01:38] making love at this time in the morning. Um but we're here doing work instead. >> It's 10:30 in the morning. >> I know. We'd be finished by now. You're >> Yeah. >> I uh Yeah, I have delayed jet lag. We

[1:01:51] got back and I was like, I'm good. I'm fine. I'm fine. And then I think it's >> Uh the patch. >> I can't hit you now. We're on a podcast. it. >> I I didn't I didn't make any You with

[1:02:08] your constant talk of sex have derailed this conversation yet again. Let's move on. [laughter] >> Yay. >> A new slate of rewards.

[1:02:24] >> Wait, what's the omnium folio? No. [laughter] grips with the new patch worth of content, let's get let's get to it. Get ready for a showdown. >> Facing the forces of the void in void

[1:02:38] assaults and ritual sites isn't enough to stop their massations. >> To cut the threat off at its source, you'll need to hunt down the leaders Track them through a portal of voidstorm leading to new locations. Okay, so

[1:02:51] here's where I'm going to make a point which I I've thought since the release of 12.0.5 0.5 and this is making me think it even more. Void assaults and incursions should have been launch content.

[1:03:06] >> but then no one would do delves. >> Uh no, no, no, not ritual sites. >> Oh, void. Oh, void >> void assaults and incursions should have >> it would have made the zones feel like they were under attack more.

[1:03:20] >> Um and it would have been more thematic. Um, and it would give people more space to breathe in this patch without so many things rolling out all at once. And when this content released, it would have been two patches away from void assaults

[1:03:35] breathe. >> I get what you're saying. I don't like >> I get what you're saying. I don't like things uh like uh void assaults like early on in an expansion for me. Like I I I have my busyiness is doing

[1:03:50] don't need that noise. >> Fair enough. >> Right. Facing the forces of the void and va source ritual sites isn't enough. To hunt down the leaders behind these brutal attacks on Azeroth. Track them

[1:04:05] through a portal in voidstorm leading to two new locations. >> I knew >> Well, we know about these, don't we? >> Well, we know about these, don't we? >> Negal and Val. Now, one of these, I'm

[1:04:18] one of the old Legion incursions, right? These used to be the old Legion portals don't think these are new maps, are they? Or >> Uh I'm not sure. >> Um anyway,

[1:04:31] >> Uh that's what I mean. Like do you remember those portals that appear in Argus and you jump through them? And like one of the best bits about Argus, worlds and stuff was very, very cool. Very, very spacey. Liked it a lot. But

[1:04:44] >> I think possibly. >> Uh Val looks kind of new. Maybe I'm uh Dragon Oh, they they are both from Legion. Okay. Okay. So, it's it's basically like um

[1:04:59] repurposed. >> Yeah. Repackage. >> Yeah, >> I don't mind. And and you know, if they've adapted it to whatever, I'll judge it when I see it, but I'm not

[1:05:11] >> Same worlds, but different maps. >> Great. Cool. >> Uh Natal, this is because I recognize both the names. That's the thing. a me photos, I wouldn't have recognized them, but like the names I recognize for

[1:05:23] some reason. >> An arcane uh rich world now occupied by the Halhadar. >> It's too close to Saladar. It >> Why would they do that? >> Henry Hadar.

[1:05:42] [laughter] >> I'm sorry. Legion where the I'm only going to call him Henry Hadar from now on. Sorry. Uh, where the Dominar imperator Pertinax has uh um established his bastion of power.

[1:05:59] >> Imperator. >> Imperator. No, really? What is that how you say? >> Imperator. >> That's always how I've said it. Which is a shame. It sounds really goofy.

[1:06:11] worlds is unstable and switches destinations every few days. Bringing a rotating set rotating set of challenges and experiences. Players can undertake part in events, and ultimately have a showdown with the leaders of world

[1:06:25] bosses. I also want to say like we're being of people of this stuff. We're making fun of like the rotating and the timers and the you know and I just want to say sorry to the devs who've worked really

[1:06:38] hard on this and are doing what we asked you to do which was give us loads of content and like you know evergreen content and content which wasn't content and content which wasn't mandatory and you know a rich variety of

[1:06:51] like it. You've done what we asked and I'm sorry that we're making fun of it and I'm sorry. I I really genuinely am. You don't deserve it. You don't deserve Yeah, >> it is evergreen forbidden cat because

[1:07:05] this will have like unique cosmetic rewards attached to it which someone in four expansions time will go, "Oh, how do I get that thing? Oh, that." And these will still be up. These will still be popping in Silver Moon and uh um like

[1:07:21] uh what's the other one? Zul man. And people will go back and they will do cosmetics. That's the joy. That's the magic of connecting like cosmetics as power. That's not what evergreen means, though. Yes, it is. It's exactly what

[1:07:35] evergreen means. It's content which is like valid and playable forever. That's >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, are you reading are you reading unsolicited >> Yeah, I am. But but but that's what that's what there are different types of

[1:07:51] a type of evergreen content. Of course it does. Okay. Is gain new power. Yes. >> The ominium folio. >> Yes. Isn't everything evergreen by transmogen? Yes. Running old raids is

[1:08:06] >> Okay, let's continue. Please. >> There are people who run old raids every >> Join Magister Umbre. >> Gain new power with the Omnium Folio. Join Magister Umbre and Okay, you [\h__\h] read it. [laughter]

[1:08:21] Join Magister Amber and Grand Magister Romath on a mission to reconfigure and restore the Sunstrider Omnium. This ancient elven relic was originally created by Dath Ramar Sunstrider to study and observe the various schools of

[1:08:33] magic and to serve as an academic repository. After years of silence, the sun blah blah blah. What's the rewards? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] Okay, it's awake now. Um, the magesters

[1:08:46] Okay, it's awake now. Um, the magesters are unsettled. Uh, okay. You unlock it, you're entrusted with the folio runes of power you can use in battle. activities to imbue more runes. >> Weekly activities.

[1:09:02] >> Unlocking their maximum potential by customizing them. >> Oh, and also I just want to say thank you to Mr. GM for uh Oh, I moved on from >> Oh, no. >> I got I sorry, Mr. I got distracted. Mr.

[1:09:17] M's already done some good work on this overnight. Uh, and um, we're going to go and have a little look at that right now because uh, we've had a little look. Is >> Oh, that looks familiar. >> Oh, so this is Zoras found this. Uh, and

[1:09:30] Miss Yenry posted it. Um, and so here here's our thing. It's not gear. It's tree. >> It's an Omnium Folio, obviously. uh, Void Storm that you've unlocked? >> I've got one. I've I do that. How many

[1:09:43] actually. I unlocked one when he asked me to and I haven't touched it since not is. >> So, it's a bit like that. Um, and I I these appear to be on a weekly like earn one thing a week to unlock one thing a

[1:09:56] week. It's time gated. So, it's weekly. It's borrowed power and it's time gated It's borrowed power and it's time gated basically. All my favorite things. >> It's like my birthday. This is like a birthday and Christmas present. It's all

[1:10:11] my best things combined. >> Yeah. Awesome. >> Very excit Yeah. Yeah. thing. >> That's fine.

[1:10:24] this big boy. The good [\h__\h] right here. >> I feel like I just fought him in the >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] >> Uh, new raid. SPOREFALL.

[1:10:36] >> Sporefall is a single boss raid located in Harendar. Wow, man. That Harendar raid that they made half of >> looks really good. Like that Harendar raid that they started making for the war within before

[1:10:51] >> Like you know the dream rift bit and this bit now. It looked like it was >> Glad they managed to salvage some of it. Sporefall is a single boss raid located in Harendar where you'll face the fungal giant Rott me.

[1:11:05] >> Oh, I feel like a fungal giant sometimes honestly. [laughter] The raid will be and mythic difficulties, but not at the same time, I wager. And for this raid, >> Yay. >> Flexible groups of 15 to 25 players.

[1:11:23] >> Very exciting. And something that we've been we've we've learned because the doing that after this stream. Yeah. >> Uh to get ready for the weekly reset, like going to PTR. So, I remember we've asked like how can they make the uh gear

[1:11:38] from this raid relevant? What do you do? Do you add like two item levels to it or Uh they're doing something quite funny with it. Quite fun with it. It appears that all the gear from it is warbound. >> Yeah. Well, it appears

[1:11:52] >> on the on the PTR. >> Yeah, it appears that if it's not all warbound, certainly a lot of it is. So, the idea is you can go in there and get the idea is you can go in there and get your heroic or mythic track uh gear,

[1:12:04] right? The character that you're running this raid on has already got that gear by the time they get in here. That's kind of the issue, right? So, but you warbound. That's pretty cool. And I that's

[1:12:17] >> warbound mythic gear. >> Uh if you're doing it on mythic. Yeah. >> Um and warbound heroic gear if you're doing on heroic. >> Like Yeah. >> Yeah. Not bad, eh? My goodness.

[1:12:29] an elegant solution to the problem, I think. And you know, it's slow late in the patch. It doesn't really matter from a kind of like, you know, >> whatever, man. Uh, >> no fighting in my chat, please. Neville

[1:12:41] and Goblin, I love you both. >> Thank you. >> Um, >> um, go law walking. tired. >> Experience the lore of the lower with

[1:12:54] assistant lore walker Lely. You'll dive deeper into the stories of the Xandelari, Drakari, Gurubashi, and Dark Spear trolls. Why would we be doing >> Why? I don't know. >> I don't Why would we?

[1:13:07] >> I guess just to get it out the way because before we move on in 12.1 to something different, right? >> Yeah, definitely. [laughter] I'll enjoy all that. That would be great. Uh, all that stuff in BFA with

[1:13:19] Can we >> Oh my god, super cool. awesome. >> Next one. Help Loa Speaker Breck hatch >> Yeah, maybe I will. >> Maybe. With the return of Janali Loa of

[1:13:33] Fire comes a return to past traditions. She's ready to bring a new clutch of Breck, I do like him, requires assistance with the ceremony and with released safely from their eggs. Be a part of welcoming the first of her

[1:13:46] take their first steps. Yeah, but what do I get from doing that? it? >> Yeah. >> Um, >> begin the next chapter with Zujan. Now

[1:14:00] >> This is the good [\h__\h] >> This is the jizz right here. >> When the haraneer call for a special gathering, Zulujan attends as the Armani representative only to be drawn into an ancient mystery surrounding the legacy

[1:14:14] of the Armani trolls. Join him and his uncle Kinduru on their journey of discovery to uncover the truth. this content will arrive after the release of the update. >> And you know, uh, it's looking like I

[1:14:27] >> And you know, uh, it's looking like I think MGM has something on this as well. >> It's looking like that questing is going to take us to Oollettech. >> as in before 12.1. >> Wow.

[1:14:40] >> Wow. >> Look like that big island which is like taller than anything else >> on the Eastern Kingdoms. It looks like uh what island? [laughter] the one that Ziljan's been looking at for so long,

[1:14:53] just sitting there looking. >> Um, yeah, it uh it appears we might be taking our first footsteps on that island. Um, then cuz that island is well in 12.1.

[1:15:06] >> Um, you know, like that big I feel I get the feeling that big mountain that is the labyrinth delve in there. Um, >> okay. Mark my words. Pretty pretty obvious guess. But um yeah, >> I'm very excited to see some Zuljan

[1:15:20] story continuing. And I love Kenduru. I love his uncle. I like I like this. This is a good like, you know, road tripping with my uncle. >> Yeah, it's a meme, >> but

[1:15:33] troll raids the best raids. >> It's true. It's just raids. it feels like in the same way that the Okay, so the Hariner Harendar delve is my favorite delve. They're kind of trolls, right? Um but like I love I love

[1:15:47] the the Zulaman delves as well. I think that's so cool because they feel old going into like a dungeon. It's all kind of it's oldie feeling. It's good like back down to earth on this. Uh perfect timing for a patch like this if you ask

[1:16:00] me. Yeah, troll content is excellent content. I'm really excited and um I I'm excited for for the potential of Zuljan to not be a baddie cuz I think I think >> I don't think he's going to be a baddie. >> He's I don't think he's going to be a

[1:16:14] baddie. I think, you know, he's he's kind of bad, you know, he's he's gone through some some stuff. He's made some poor choices. >> Um and he's he's angry, right? He's an angry guy. Yeah. Um, but I have a

[1:16:28] like the quest line is gonna be like redeeming for him somehow. I think he's think he's gonna be a baddie. I don't even think he's gonna die. I think he's gonna Yeah, I like Well, we'll see, I guess. But yeah, I like him.

[1:16:41] I think he's a really cool character purely purely >> for how his uh like reactions to me changed over the course of the like uh the quest campaign. Like he went from

[1:16:55] hostility every time he referred to me to like literally calling me his buddy. And if an NPC does that, like I'm their friend. Yeah. You know what I mean? >> Awesome. Um so yeah, and turban time ways with uh dragonfly dungeons.

[1:17:09] >> Yeah, >> I like it. >> I I Yeah. Uh new micro holiday Dark Spear Dash, which is an official running >> Very cool. >> And more uh user interface updates like

[1:17:21] blahy blah. And like uh yeah, I I I always recommend um checking out Mr. GM and other kind of like data miners. Um Ellie on Blue Sky is really good keyboard turner. Uh they always come up with some some amazing stuff as well.

[1:17:34] Yeah. Um so uh yeah, like oh new store mount as well by the way. mount as well by the way. >> Um uh housing a few other updates. >> Oh amazing housing updates by the way. >> Uh so housing lighting is now officially

[1:17:48] available outdoors. They dowsted all of Tally's fires, all of his fire pits. Um, but now you can add lights to your plot. There are restraints though. Two lights >> Okay.

[1:18:02] >> Okay. >> Where you can't place you can't just >> Do you think they were like Do you think they were like, "Jesse, Jesse, you need cuz we've got a window we want to sell on the [\h__\h] shop."

[1:18:15] >> We've got a window we want to sell on the shop. Jesse, sort it out, man. Come on. You're costing us money here, Jesse. Jess, I've just made you a billion about? [laughter] >> So then, uh, over 100 new common decor

[1:18:29] vendors. >> Wow, that's amazing. True. >> If if true, right? >> But the lighting outside that is huge. That is massive. I don't people I don't think people if like non-housing pill

[1:18:43] >> Yeah. do not understand like how massive this is and some of the incredible [snorts] things you are about to see that this will enable oh my god >> um there are also some bug fixes and

[1:18:57] reading this like five paragraph description of how they fixed luminous dust and moths makes me really glad that I wasn't collecting any moths because >> there was huge bugs and issues around

[1:19:10] >> I've just put your screen on just you Yeah, blow up. >> Yeah. Um, so thank God that I didn't do that. That, [laughter] uh, let's see. There's a feat of strength for doing prey. Um, some UI

[1:19:27] changes. Let's see. Uh, boss timeline has some updates. >> Oh, good. >> Uh, threat colors, spell alerts. >> Um, updating the Great Vault a little bit. Uh, damage meters are continuing to

[1:19:43] slowly be built [laughter] piece by piece. >> Uh, other great stuff that's been data mined, a heroic raid tier, >> sorry, a heroic uh world tier, I should say.

[1:19:55] >> There's going to be a heroic world tier, which you uh unlock by uh defeating the two bosses from the the zones, the the portal zones. Nice, right? Uh, and then you get then you get a heroic raid world tier, which sounds awesome. Like, uh,

[1:20:09] you know, like um Legion remix style. And Mr. GM reckons there's even a mythic raid tier in the day, too. A world tier. Oh, it's such a new concept. Like, I'm doesn't feel right in my mouth yet. A mythic world tier as well. Could be on

[1:20:23] >> Heroic world tier for showdowns. What are showdowns? >> What are showdowns? >> It's not a rundown. >> Oh, that's a good It could be. Oh, so not just a not just a not just like a a

[1:20:36] straight up heroic world tier. >> It seems like some kind of scenar like I'm disappointed with it. >> Sure. >> If Okay. No, I'm walking I'm walking back my excitement. Doesn't sound like

[1:20:49] like a straight up blanket heroic world tier. Uh it for showdowns, whatever the [\h__\h] that is. Maybe that is for the >> the portals. >> Who knows? >> H interesting. Okay. Well, anyway, back

[1:21:02] >> Okay, [laughter] >> that's just words. Um, yeah, there there have been loads of things. Data mine, data miners are like uh taking away some incredible looking sets.

[1:21:15] >> Oh, transmog stuff, which we're looking at right now. Um, Miss GM reckons at right now. Um, Miss GM reckons there's uh some uh law walking uh things >> uh which and you know, lawalking always lines up with, you know, major

[1:21:29] characters coming back into the story. So, if that means like a focus on THR would be pretty good, wouldn't it? >> Good. Good to see. Yeah. Um, yeah, loads >> Good. Good to see. Yeah. Um, yeah, loads of uh loads of sets. Um, there's a

[1:21:42] there's a horse with a hat. >> Perfect. Wow. >> I saw I I saw this in the, you know, at like 1:00 a.m. Doom scrolling. I saw a horse with a hat. may not have been real, but um

[1:21:55] >> Oh, and the uh the hats in the Gilaan uh trading post this month, I haven't yet, but we were looking at the models a couple of days ago on Wowhead. >> It is May. >> They are They're not so much hats as

[1:22:08] head pieces, right? So, they sit at a jaunty angle and you can see your hair underneath. >> Some jauntier than others, some better jaunty hats on the training post right now look at their peak when they're on

[1:22:20] >> Yeah, big round guys. >> The buffer your character, the better >> Anyone with like kind of a like goblins, right? Kind of like swooping hair around look like hats and some of them look like, you know, literally fascinators.

[1:22:36] >> Yeah, fascinator is a real thing. Yeah, >> like stuck on there. So, >> depends depends on what you look like. Uh maybe people can confirm in chat if jaunty angle and there is some major clipping with some hairstyles, right?

[1:22:48] >> Absolutely. >> Um yes. Anyway. >> Yeah. >> Uh just like initial reactions to that, >> Yeah. Good. I'm excit I'm excited for more story. I just major

[1:23:01] >> I'm that's what I want to kind of fill my time with. I'm excited for more story content. I think Mythic Flex is really really cool. Um, I think it, you know, whatever. I'll do what Umbrich and Ram want me to do and I'll

[1:23:15] >> Yeah, [laughter] >> in that case, >> you know, like I'll do what they want and I will hopefully get a little bit of story about them through that experience. But I don't really care

[1:23:28] about the tree in the slightest. I'm I'm I'm curious about the the nigal I'm curious about the the nigal and val nigatal and valin. Um, so yeah, excited. >> Thanks.

[1:23:44] >> Thanks. [laughter] soup chats because Penny needs picking up at um a Friday shortly. >> Yeah. >> Uh and uh she's got a play date and

[1:24:00] well. >> She does. And then football for the >> Yeah. >> Can't wait. Yeah. Uh so uh thank you so >> Can't wait. Yeah. Uh so uh thank you so much guys uh for uh anyone who you know

[1:24:13] subbed on Twitch. We see you. But uh super chatters. It's time to say hello. Um first off, thank you to Thyraxian and Zakaryi Cooper. Welcome guys to the

[1:24:25] and Zakaryi Cooper. Welcome guys to the TN. record that line for us. I'm just going to call him and can you please please record that. Um uh

[1:24:39] uh the you guys have joined the team the team the thank you for being a member. Appreciate you guys. Uh next one is from Hawthorne Tree. Thank you so much. Think we could campaign to get a housing

[1:24:51] exterior which is literally just a door. Uh not having to cover up and hide the room for creativity with exterior decor. I agree completely 100%.

[1:25:03] Um, just give us a door. Give us an exterior option that is just door. You can put it in the ground. You can put it in the sky. You can put it on whatever you want to build. >> I love that and I dream of that. Just

[1:25:15] don't put it on the shop. That would suck. >> that would that would be bad. >> Yeah. Uh, no. I I think that's good. I like I don't want nothing at all, you know, but like just a door. Uh, seems a

[1:25:29] bit conceptual. A door with like a very small box, a very small little house. >> Yeah. >> Okay, >> that's what I want. Uh, go all the way. Uh, next one. Um, thank you, Moxen, for

[1:25:44] gifting 10 memberships. >> I remember it happening. I was there. happened. Thank you so much. I did not even know you could do that. Um, so received memberships, you can now drop emotes in YouTube chat. You get a little

[1:26:01] cadar bubble next to you and you can literally drop emotes. Oh, that reminds have enough members to add more emotes. >> I know. It's so exciting. >> Level up. Unlocking the talent tree. >> Oh yeah. Um, next one is from Ian Sto um

[1:26:19] who is a member. Lovely. Thank you so much, Ian. Hey guys, just wanted uh say nice jumpy. Thank you. And I was watching your vid you put up yesterday. Them Legion vids still crack me up. I don't think I would still be playing WoW

[1:26:31] don't think I would still be playing WoW if it wasn't for you guys. So, thanks a to say. Thank you. And I've got to say like um yeah, it's one of those videos,

[1:26:43] the uh the kind of the recap video where we know we're pretty much only going to because why would you even watch it if you weren't going to if you didn't care if it wasn't your sort of thing. So, like, yeah, it was really fun to put

[1:26:55] together. Actually, there's a couple of uh that we planned to put in that we just forgot to put in, which was the Boulder think is a classic. I know. >> Absolute classic. And like one of my one

[1:27:08] ever done as well, which I thought was watch that one. Um, [laughter] >> yeah. >> Uh, it's I think the video is called Who is Censoring? Wow. Um, is the weekly

[1:27:20] reset title for that one. It's cracking intro and there's a couple. Yeah, but I of just all of them, chatting in between and kind of like rating them and like send some stories

[1:27:32] and stuff like that. >> Yeah, definitely. Um, lovely to have you Ian. Thanks for being here. Our next one is one is one one Ryan Ryan Rob

[1:27:51] to decipher. Scrambling my brain. Um, thank you so much for the super chat. First time catching it live from Vancouver, Canada. [laughter] Vancouver, Canada. [laughter] Thanks so much for 10 years of fun.

[1:28:05] Can I ask for a shout out for my guild pande asking Emmy for a shout out right now? She could call it anything. [laughter] She could call it anything. [laughter] She could just like Holy [\h__\h]

[1:28:17] How many syllables in your guild before you ask? >> Can [laughter] I ask for a shout out from my guild? Pandimensional cavalcade. >> A boom. >> I did it. I managed that one. It's just

[1:28:29] >> I did it. I managed that one. It's just me and two other friends. [laughter] Enjoy that one. >> Pandimensional cavalcade. Best guild uh

[1:28:42] >> Pandimensional cavalcade. Best guild uh na. Best guild na. Oh man. Woo. Um, friend. Love, [laughter] love, love to see it. Um, next one is from Moxen. Uh,

[1:28:54] thanks again, Moxin. Uh, should have told them to buff Ella for me. Sorry. >> Sorry. Yeah. Every time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, there were there brought up in that interview. >> It's funny. Uh, like like I say, a lot

[1:29:07] interview, but some of it is a little bit laughable. as in, you know, like my they're when they're angry about my questions or whatever is like, and I don't mean this patronizingly. I don't mean this as like a a debate tactic or

[1:29:20] would you have asked?" You know, I'm I'm I'm interested to know like what would you have asked? >> And one guy, Respect, took the mission on and like gave like replied with a full kind of set of very detailed

[1:29:34] >> Yeah. Good. Good. But they were all stuff like uh the story uh in uh Midnight has really missed and what do you plan to do one because I don't agree with it. Like

[1:29:48] I don't agree that the story has missed in Midnight. So okay and like and then literally and bear in mind this is someone who was criticizing me for not asking the hard questions, okay, and not like holding Paul's feet to the fire,

[1:30:00] okay? When I asked them what they would ask, they were like in their list of questions was like, "Oh, when are we getting hair on the hats?" And I was like, "Motherfucker, you're sitting there being like, oh, telly you

[1:30:12] shill. Ask the hard questions. We just had a really buggy patch and you're not making him cry about it." And I'm like, "Well, what would you ask? When are we getting hair on the hat?" It's a good question, but not in context of, "Oh,

[1:30:24] you're not being me." Can you imagine if I was like, "Oh, sorry, Paul. I can't ask you about why the patch is so buggy. I can't ask you about tank tuning. I can't ask you about the Armani customizations because I have to ask you

[1:30:36] when are we getting hair under hats. Do you think the internet would have turned thought Tally was a shill." But no, it turns out he's he's the only one asking the hard questions. He's the only one holding these devs accountable.

[1:30:50] No one else is brave ENOUGH TO ASK THAT QUESTION. I'm so glad he didn't ask hair under hats instead. Jesus [\h__\h] Christ. and saying what questions you would ask. Um, yeah,

[1:31:06] our friend Ryan. >> Ryan Rob. Uh, thank you. Reddit thread on this. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> People are really really angry that Paul Cubit said that uh um uh Trial of Style

[1:31:23] >> No, that can't be real. Yeah, people like there are the whole Reddit threads going, "Oh my god, this >> we're cooked, guys. We're cooked." >> Oh, lord. >> It's like the such an obvious joke.

[1:31:37] >> And this is why this is why like I I have no time for people who are like, that he wished he hadn't called it Warcraft." It's like, it's clearly a You didn't hear it. It's like, no, you're right. But I was there when Paul

[1:31:52] Cubit said that his favorite uh PvP mode was Trial of Style. And if you don't understand that that's a joke, >> I don't know what we're doing here. I don't know. I don't know how we're supposed to communicate.

[1:32:04] >> it's hard. >> Uh yeah, I agree with you. I agree with >> Confused. >> Um next one is from Ryan Rob again. Thank you. Had a bug that crashed on character select because I hid my shaman

[1:32:18] artifact weapon. had to alter text files to get BACK IN. [laughter] >> WHAT? >> Worst bug ever. I am so sorry. >> I think people have also had bugs where like they can't leave delves and then

[1:32:31] >> Holy [\h__\h] Depending on the del. That is the worst bug literally ever. delve and you can't use your Hearthstone and you can't use the Arcantina key and there's no exit. I've had that one that happened to me before.

[1:32:44] been done. >> Yeah, they're it's over. Yeah, for now. >> Okay. >> I've done the Argentina every week. >> And I'm missing a quest. >> Oh.

[1:32:58] every week. I've done every single quest that popped in the Argentina. >> Yeah. >> And like I just didn't get one. >> [\h__\h] that [\h__\h] Please, can someone tell me I'm not going mad here, guys? Are

[1:33:13] know, you've done it every week and you just didn't get the quest, right? this one particular quest, whatever it was. Uh, you missed it. No, I I'm telling >> Okay, >> I I I

[1:33:26] pop and it wasn't there. I would have done I would have done it. >> Hopefully, they'll fix it. >> Like, I've done everything everything in I you know, I don't know if you know anything about my life, but I log in

[1:33:39] every day. >> Every day. [laughter] >> Uh yeah. Uh thank you so much. uh for that one and and glad you got it sorted, friend. Uh next one is from Moxen. My biggest issue with the shop is none of

[1:33:52] it is microtransaction, which I consider under $10. It's all microtransaction. We have seen some very macro transactions recently, haven't we? >> Uh I've actually got the opposite reaction [clears throat] to you, Ryan,

[1:34:04] >> That's not Ryan, that's Moxin. >> Sorry, Moxin. I've got the opposite >> Sorry, Moxin. I've got the opposite reaction to you in that in conversations we've had with WoW devs before about the store, something that they seemed like

[1:34:17] vaguely proud of when it came to the store likes the store. But like the thing that they kind of glombmed on to about it, their like saving grace, if you like about the store was that it wasn't

[1:34:31] microtransactions, it was macrotransactions. It was like, "We're not selling you a weapon. We're not selling you some shoes. We're not not this like >> grubby little thing. It's like we're

[1:34:45] selling you a mount, $25, and it's worth it, >> granted, this was before like the $90 mount and stuff like that. And that was always that was always the thing that they in when we've had conversations

[1:34:58] something I appreciated. It's like, yeah, there were never microtransactions. They were like substantial purchases that you know like you had to decide to buy and they you know it was something you would use and

[1:35:12] might think that's better or worse but that's what it was and that was that was the concept for the store and like the thing I really hate one of the things I hate about all the new housing stuff is that oh boy we are into

[1:35:26] microtransactions now like the whole kind of like Blizzard doing it a bit better than other people. We're doing macrotransactions with like that's out the [\h__\h] window. That's out the new window that I can place outside. Okay.

[1:35:38] Like that is it's proper grubby little microtransactions now with proper grubby >> It's grubby [\h__\h] Makes me feel dirty. >> It sucks. >> And it's a constant stream as well. Like >> Oh, and it never ends. Yeah. [\h__\h]

[1:35:52] >> Oh, and it never ends. Yeah. [\h__\h] Um, and they like of course they always announce a new patch or when a new patch goes live because like it's when WoW's but unfortunately, yeah, if there is a problem with a patch, if a patch is

[1:36:05] >> you're always going to have that thing of I'm angry about the patch. Oh, and beautiful new mount or transmog set or something which they're selling on the store for money. And like it's not the same people doing these things, but in

[1:36:20] >> it would have been cool if they'd used them to fix the bugs instead. Right. it's never going to feel good. >> Yeah. >> Uh, next one is from Puff Puff, one of my faves. Lovely to see you, friend.

[1:36:34] pod. Hope FanFest was a lot of fun. It was. Loved it. It was like genuinely really excited going through MSQ right now for the first time. Enjoy. Thanks for being the best. Also love your thoughts on five and seven

[1:36:48] story. More story. Absolutely. More story. I love story. >> yeah. Uh I'd love to go through Heavenswood again. I love Heavenswood >> As I was uh trolling through all of our weekly resets, um going through all of

[1:37:02] >> You would? >> We have We have like uh my verdict on Real M Reborn. We have uh me just gushing about Heaven's Word for like an hour. We have us guessing what's going to happen in Shadowbringers. Um it and

[1:37:18] some other stuff and and yeah, genuinely I I watched a bit of the Heavensword one again. >> Yeah. Anyway, um uh speaking of Final Fantasy, a podcast reborn row, hi Ro,

[1:37:32] >> Oh, so good to see you at FanFest mate. >> Yeah, it was amazing to catch up with you. Um but yeah, thank you so much for popping by. This is this is good times. It's fascinating listening to concerns about too much content in WoW these

[1:37:44] days. 14 is at the other end of the spectrum. Both need a happy medium. it, man. I can't say there's too much content, but I can understand how it must be a way to mitigate that. There must be a way of doing it better. But I

[1:37:57] love the 8 to 10 week patch cadence. I think it's I really like it personally. >> I think it's ultimately the right thing. If I had to choose, if I could, you know, if [laughter] I had to choose like once every nine months or once every 8

[1:38:09] to 10 weeks. Yeah. >> And yeah, um, lovely to see you, wrote. And finally, last one from Ian Sto. Another one. I couldn't get on last night and then asked me to find my realm like I was starting again. A [\h__\h] one.

[1:38:21] deleted. >> Yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, every time. >> Most bugs I can kind of deal with. But the one when you log in and like your you're just like, >> it's over. It's free. I'm free.

[1:38:37] Like it's like dread but also kind of excitement of all the things you can [laughter] Right. Like oh my god I'm free. I'm free. Um but yeah know those proper heart and mouth ones. >> Exactly. Uh PS it's showing my name. Uh

[1:38:51] you two know me as Revan. Can't change it back. Good to see you. A excellent. Thanks for letting us know. That's that's awesome. Oh and with that well there. I I can't wait to dive into the PTR and see some of the stuff with my

[1:39:04] >> Um uh how are your sheathing options? Are you sheathing? >> I haven't explored sheathing yet. I haven't. >> I usually just go and sheathed, but um while 14 years we've been together for

[1:39:16] >> 14 years. Wow. Come on. >> Crazy, isn't it? Together 14 years. Yeah. >> That's your other wife. >> What's really scary is think what you were doing 14 years before that as a

[1:39:28] >> Yeah. Nope. >> Okay guys, thank you for joining us for an early podcast. Not the usual time. We didn't give you much uh forewarning that podcast this week. So, um thank you to everyone that made it on both YouTube

[1:39:42] and Twitch. Thank you to everyone listening um on your preferred podcast listening platform later on. Uh we'll be working on the weekly reset. Uh I'm finally going to get that Sylvanas video out next week as well. Um and uh also uh

[1:39:56] >> That's so nice. >> It's like glowing. Just excellent. >> and Everel, >> until next time. Cheerio.