This Country Gave YouTube the Smack Down - WAN Show January 9, 2026

[00:07] the WAN show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. Samsung is under fire for watching what you're watching roughly twice every second and

[00:20] sharing that information with their partners. Yeah. Yeah. Not great. Um, our headline topic is of course though that YouTube has met its match, government

[00:33] regulation. That's right. Vietnam has laid the smackdown on YouTube, banning unskippable ads, or at least limiting how long unskippable ads can run on

[00:45] platforms like YouTube. I'm sure that is welcome news to the people in Vietnam. What else we got this week? The fastest version of Windows is probably not what you'd expect. And also, Disney undercuts decades of incredible filmmaking

[01:00] technology with one of the weirdest, worst videos I've maybe ever seen. >> That actually caused me a certain amount of existential dread because the person presenting it, for some reason, seemed to think that it was cool, which hurt my

[01:15] to think that it was cool, which hurt my soul. [sighs]

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[01:53] Razer. >> I remember now. I made it white for the reboot last week. >> What a professional professional show. >> What a professional professional show. [laughter]

[02:12] Yeah. The new new and improved WAN show now [laughter] 50/50 owned by Linus and Luke. ALREADY THINGS ARE GOING DOWNHILL. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? >> This is this is my fault for sure. >> Someone tried to pin like an increased

[02:24] amount of ads on me or something [laughter] and I was like, dude, what? >> Yeah, man. Let's jump right into our headline topic today, which is of course Vietnam's new rules limiting how long

[02:41] unskippable ads can run on platforms like YouTube. Uh basically they uh they said they suck and the rules are going to be targeting not only unskippable to be targeting not only unskippable video ads but also targeting static ads

[02:56] video ads but also targeting static ads and even putting bans on delays before closing them. These new rules are aimed at helping the user experience, claiming that these invasive ads are harming the viewing experience, which is um I mean

[03:12] >> interesting, >> probably not not untrue. I think there's >> I don't think you could find anyone on the face of the earth and oh man, I'm

[03:24] bracing myself now. I'm sure someone is going to come crawling out of the woodwork from somewhere to say, um, actually, I love to be informed of quality products and services that could enhance my life. But I don't think

[03:39] almost literally anyone would say yes, the ads on a platform >> Enhance my user experience. >> Yeah. Oh, I think the bigger question >> Yeah. Oh, I think the bigger question here though is what does this mean in

[03:54] terms of platform sustainability? I don't think it's any great secret that don't think it's any great secret that YouTube relies in a significant way on ads to make their platform profitable. Um, does it seem like a business

[04:09] Um, does it seem like a business decision how much and where to run ads? um and to find that balance between what users will put up with and what is sustainable in terms of profitably operating the platform. Um

[04:26] it around and let's make it about our own stuff. Would you be willing to operate float plane in Vietnam if for whatever reason they said hey your means whatever reason they said hey your means of monetizing your platform we're over

[04:41] it. It's not good for users to have to pay for float plane. It just needs to be >> Yeah, >> that's not quite what they're saying. saying you can run ads, but I can tell you right now.

[04:53] >> like I can tell you that the kind of ads that they're going to allow are like not profitable in modern internet when you account for video streaming bandwidth like not a thing. >> You [snorts] think so? This to me feels

[05:07] like they're going back to like 5-second ad skips which YouTube had for a long time when they were profitable. >> They did, but I mean we did I don't know if you remember we did that video on it was it was a very controversial topic of

[05:19] conversation which I don't seem to be able to resist why 4K should be a premium feature on YouTube. storage has not continued to grow exponentially in capacity any or sorry this one it has not continued to grow exponentially in

[05:35] not continued to grow exponentially in capacity anymore. It leveled off ages ago in terms of cost per gig and the recent AI boom is not freaking helping mentioned this to me recently, but they were telling me that like like major

[05:52] major players like hyperscaler players are struggling to get enough hard drives >> Yeah, there's like envoys from people like Microsoft going to various countries trying to get hard drives and RAM and stuff in person trying to like

[06:07] show up at factories and be like, "Hey, we need stuff." So, interesting thing going on right now that isn't being it's being talked about but not like as much as I would necessarily expect considering the

[06:21] that makes sense. >> I think Mandesa Mandezo >> on float plane has a really interesting >> on float plane has a really interesting take. You know what if all ads on every

[06:34] platform had to be short? Then advertisers would have to compete for having a really compelling ad in a very short period of time and theoretically that would impact the you know the pricing of ads across the board and it

[06:48] wouldn't really harm the platforms as much and that is such a cool point that would require so much coordination and international cooperation that happen. >> I don't think so. I like it though. A

[07:02] great example of that actually happened recently around taxation for the ultra wealthy and I I think particularly for corporations I think it was um I believe they were they were targeting a 15% minimum corporate tax rate globally and

[07:18] there there was like a ton of countries signed onto it and then recently I think this was in the last week or two the US basically went m um and the idea behind it was that it would make it much harder for major

[07:31] would make it much harder for major corporations to just dodge taxes by making their headquarters somewhere that they could pretty much avoid ever actually making a profit and where they could they could they could

[07:43] shield their profitability. It required everyone to agree on having these rules and expecting >> every jurisdiction all around the world >> every jurisdiction all around the world to cooperate on something as

[07:57] don't take this the wrong way, but frankly unimportant as ads in front of a web video, right? when they couldn't even agree on, hey, probably major corporations should be taxed. Um, you know, for the good of the

[08:12] >> there are there are less billion and trillionaires involved in this one. So, you know, it has that going for it. But yeah, I agree with you. >> Maker Boy says, "I saw a ticker ad across the bottom of a video today. The

[08:27] creator said they were trying something new. The ad did not interrupt the video at all." I can tell you something though, part of the reason that you noticed it was because it was new. Over time, you will learn to tune out the

[08:40] ticker ad, which is why the advertising industry is always looking for novel ideas. That's why it's always changing. And I hate to use the word evolving

[08:52] because it has like a positive connotation. When I say that Bulbasaur evolved, you expect to get Vine Whip, you know, or Razor, whatever, whatever. The point is, you expect Bulbasaur to be better. Uh, whereas I feel like when ads

[09:07] >> Yeah. >> Which is a kind of better >> gain audio or Well, I guess that's more intrusive. Yeah. >> Say something. >> What? [laughter]

[09:19] Like, so they are they are better in terms of being super effective at penetrating your ability to pay attention to what you actually want to >> I'm trying to find an example, but I'm I'm pretty sure uh Garbage Time, Mr. Mr.

[09:34] I'm pretty sure uh Garbage Time, Mr. Mr. Dankpods did this recently um with with some stuff on his channel to promote like flow plane and whatnot. He did like kind of banner things, whatever those are actually called. I don't remember.

[09:48] >> Thank you, Luke. >> Interesting move. [snorts] >> Um I mean, and all of this ignores the fact that YouTube is able to function basically as a monopoly at this point,

[10:03] right? Like in theory, in theory, I'm pretty pro- free market, right? Like you pretty pro- free market, right? Like you live or die by your ability to compete fairly. But that last part, right, the f-word there, that's that's sort of the

[10:18] critical part. And YouTube is at the point now where whether it's through their technological moat or whether it's through their regulatory moat or whether it's through their uh their business relationships moat,

[10:33] what would fair competition with YouTube even look like? So, so you could say, there are on YouTube, then they should just take their business somewhere else. But like to what what can compete with YouTube? Microsoft has tried

[10:48] um there's like MSN video um which like uploaded to for Daily Motion. >> Daily Motion has tried. Vimeo tried. Vimeo has completely given up on being an alternative to YouTube at this point

[11:01] as far as I can tell for years now. Does Daily Motion still exist? Motion. >> Does your channel on >> Daily Motion totally still exists? Okay, so every piece says Vine. Okay. All

[11:17] so every piece says Vine. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah. Rumble. Sure. Wow. >> Whoa. >> And it's the first thing you see when you get to the site. Wow. It's all It's [laughter] all

[11:32] Look up line of tech tips. >> Hold on. Hold on. I just want to I want Do they have view counts? Hold on. >> If you click on one maybe. >> No. >> Okay. Okay. Player interface is a little

[11:46] different. So, it's only up here. I can't I can't interface with it down here. Is there are there do they have comments? Are there are there comments comments? Are there are there comments on Daily Motion here? Draper stunned by

[11:59] whatever 10 months ago. Let's see. Uh, apparently not. Either that or there's content here that is getting literally zero views. >> Yeah, I don't understand how these guys

[12:13] are still around. >> There's a connect button on the top right, I think. Yeah, that's just to log in. >> Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, we used to have a channel.

[12:28] Yeah, we used to have a channel. >> Dude, you've got some followers. >> Whoa, buddy. Oh, >> 357. Yeah. So, we have >> It could be the 358th. It looks like the last time we uploaded to this was Wan

[12:42] >> Oh my god. >> August 4th, 2017. >> it's Baby Luke. [laughter] It's Baby Luke. Look, it's Baby Luke here. He's so cute, >> dude. I liked that. That logo with the

[12:55] >> Super cool. >> Baby, >> where was this? That's a thick laptop. [laughter] >> No. No. Hold on. This might be Arkham City.

[13:10] between the games at all, to be honest. >> Yeah, I think this has got to be Arkham benchmarking. >> Nice. You really? >> Oh, dude. Arkham Asylum. >> I heard they were good games. I just I

[13:23] >> Oh, it's apparently Arkham Origins. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, guys. Which that's the third one, I think. Right. I did not get into that one. Dude, look at you looking like a rapper on stage unboxing the RX Vega. Look at

[13:37] >> Yeah, buddy. >> Yeah, buddy. That was at the first LTX. >> the point is we uploaded to Daily Motion for years and managed to amass a total

[13:50] for years and managed to amass a total of 350 followers. So, >> um is that sustainable? >> How do they have this many uploads and >> um >> everything? Who owns Daily Motion? What

[14:03] >> I'm I'm finding out. I'm finding out. French online video sharing platform French online video sharing platform owned by Canal Plus. Prior to 2024, it was owned by Vivventi. Like that Vivventi?

[14:18] >> What do you mean that Vivventi? >> Isn't it wasn't Vivventi uh gaming of some sort back in the day? Oh, no. Wait, hold on. I must be thinking of a >> I think so. No, Vivventi Games was an American video game publisher and

[14:30] holding company based in Los Angeles. That was a completely different thing. >> Okay. All right. Cool. So, yeah. No, this is this is >> Vivventi.

[14:43] Okay. This is a French investment company headquartered in Perry. So, uh yeah. No. >> How have they not cut off Daily Motion, >> dude? I don't know. I have no Oh, they have. So they

[14:56] divested of it recently and now it is owned by Canal Group. >> But why would why would Canal want it? I don't I I have never understood at any point in time what Daily Motion is supposed to

[15:09] even be. >> The word in 00 says it's got to be money laundering. Okay, but that's the thing, guys. I keep I keep like hearing that people will say anytime there's something that people can't explain, I

[15:23] feel like they just go straight to it's got to be a write off or it's going >> in BC it might be true >> but I don't I don't know and in many cases [laughter] here in BC in many cases I can

[15:39] definitely see how that might be the case but what would be the moneyaundering purpose. Why would they why would they >> Cuz I thought the whole and and correct me if I'm wrong. I've never engaged in

[15:52] criminal enterprise before, but my understanding of money laundering is the idea is that you have a functioning business into which you can mix both uh

[16:04] like like genuine [clears throat] proceeds of the business functioning as it does and ill gotten gains and mix them together in a way that they are hard to differentiate from each other. So, like in Breaking Bad, Walter White

[16:19] buys the car wash so that he has real revenues that could easily be cash revenues that he can put his illgotten cash in with and

[16:31] and and mask the source of it. But if you have something that as far as I can tell could not possibly do anything other than lose copious amounts of money and would operate entirely digitally

[16:46] with no cash. What would be the what would be the moneyaundering purpose of it? I and it might be I don't know. I'm not a crook

[16:59] but I just I don't understand that. So maybe float plane chat could be happy to um you know help me out here. >> But like they have they have features >> back to my thing. >> Conra Conrad and float plane chat new on

[17:13] >> Conra Conrad and float plane chat new on LT store. Cash payments. Cash cash for your bones. [laughter] >> Too many bones. Not enough cash. Try reference. >> You can you can tell they're trying.

[17:27] They have like the infinity ads in the sidebar here and when you scroll they >> Oh god. >> So they have they have like a full block you scroll >> is getting you like

[17:42] refresh even when you don't scroll. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. So the ads are crazy. >> Also look at this. They have three of >> I know dude. I watched so not allowed. >> I watched a video that had three

[17:54] pre-roll ads. They were all the same ad. >> That is so not allowed. That is so >> And then they they like have features like they have video transcripts. You can turn this on and it it looks like they have some form of like thing trying

[18:10] to generate a video transcript. So that somebody had to make that. Uh you go back, they have shorts now. They like support the new format. They have an app to a certain degree. Like someone's doing stuff. There are developers

[18:25] working on this and like keeping it alive. >> Danvibes says in float plane chat, "Dailymotion [clears throat] still has Wikipedia." >> Wow.

[18:38] >> And Lucky Drive 1984 says, "I think many websites use Daily Motion's video player." So, this is a B2B play maybe, but then why let random users upload to it? Or maybe they don't.

[18:51] >> I I legitimately don't know. legitimately have no idea. And there's honestly not a ton of information on their like Wikipedia page. It doesn't even say like how it works or anything [snorts] like that.

[19:05] longer than this. >> Mine doesn't exist though. >> No, it does. It just is not easy to find. >> Hold on. We're going to fix it though. We're going to fix it though. Uh hold

[19:17] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a [snorts] kind of existence here. Here it is. [laughter] include the W show stuff. >> Oh, okay. No, it's not longer than It's

[19:31] >> We got to get it longer. We got to pump those numbers up. those numbers up. >> Those are rookie numbers. [laughter] something stupid. >> Oh, yeah. That would be the way.

[19:46] >> I think that would actually do it. Like if you had like a >> like a major controversy you could I don't know you could like >> you get a benchmark wrong on something >> rise to power

[19:59] being in power fall execution >> you need an arc [snorts] >> uh Crystal says daily motion does let the public upload >> there you go okay well good luck with

[20:13] that everyone uh why don't we move on to our next topic you want to pick it >> um Sure. >> Note, I didn't tell him what he was picking. Could be my nose. Could be my [laughter] butt.

[20:26] Um, I guess it's Oh my god. [laughter] Let's talk about Windows. >> take a screenshot. >> Windows. The fastest version of Windows >> Okay, hold on. Hold on. Let's let the people post. Let's let the people post

[20:40] >> What do you think is the fastest wrong. >> XP. Uh, no. [laughter] I don't I [ __ ] XP >> I didn't expect XP. >> XP is a funny one because people have so

[20:54] much nostalgia goggles for Windows XP. Windows XP was a piece of [ __ ] until like Service Pack 2. >> SP2 was goated. >> Windows XP in the early days kind of sucked. I think we were just coming from

[21:09] worse. >> This is what I was saying. I think it >> had a lot of problems, but I think it was good for the time. And I think >> That's fair. >> And you could have fun with Windows XP.

[21:23] matter that it had problems. It was fun. >> It is amazing how much of chat is totally wrong. >> I don't know if I've seen pretty much Oh, okay. There's a couple who said it very definitively, which makes me think

[21:38] >> There's there's there's some in there. There's some in there. Okay. benchmark battle featuring every version of Windows since 2001. Uh which means XP of Windows since 2001. Uh which means XP Vista 7 8.1

[21:52] >> 10 and 11. Uh apparently not eight. I see those as different, but that's okay. Um before we get into the results, which version do you think will win? I top of head guessed seven when I first looked at the this whole thing happening. I

[22:05] knew the answer, but only because we've benchmarked Windows editions before >> and because um because of the whole Okay, this is a bit of a spoiler, but >> Do you remember Windows 9? >> Yeah.

[22:20] >> Yeah. >> that modded >> a tuned up version of that was >> the best Windows was the best Windows time. >> Now, did they get into modding?

[22:34] >> Now, did they get into modding? >> No. Okay. So that's why I knew because even not modded. [snorts] So a lot of the mods for Windows 9 were less about performance actually and more just about cleaning up memory usage and improving

[22:47] stability and making the user interface. >> Windows 9 was so goated. That guy for 11. I think >> I'm actually stoked. >> Okay. Anyway, carry on. >> Uh YouTuber

[23:04] >> Triggers old. Nice. Uh, loaded half a dozen ThinkPad X220s. dozen ThinkPad X220s. Um, so an i5 2520M, 8 gigs of RAM, 256 Um, so an i5 2520M, 8 gigs of RAM, 256 200, sorry, 256 gig SSD, and Intel HD

[23:17] 3000 with the professional versions of the last six iterations of Windows. got everything totally up to date, which is kind of impressive in its own regard, >> uh, in in a few ways, and conducted a bunch of experiments to learn how

[23:30] last two and a half decades, which is a brilliant idea. >> Yeah, super cool idea. >> Fantastic work. Maybe uh, go check it out instead of just listening to this. Um, they did boot to desktop times, disc

[23:43] Um, they did boot to desktop times, disc usage times, and, uh, 5 GB RAM test. How hit 5 gigs of RAM? That's interesting. for boot to desktop. Fastest to slowest. 8.1 um is the oldest version with fast boot.

[23:57] >> so it has fast boot, but it's the lightest OS. wicked fast. >> XP and 10 tide, which is hilarious. >> XP and 10 tide, which is hilarious. Just have to say. Uh 7, Vista, and 11

[24:12] all had uh taskbar issues. Or is that just 11 had task? Just 11. Yeah. So 7 and Vista were kind of slow and then 11 the taskbar took forever to load which >> In fairness to 11, this is not supported hardware on Windows 11. But then that's

[24:28] like I don't know kind of people's problem with Windows 11. >> Oh, a big part of it. >> So yeah, take the L Windows 11. >> Windows 7 was the the the worst at disc use. Is that just how big the operating

[24:40] >> Yeah, it's not too surprising. Uh and then the 5 gigs RAM test for for how many tabs you can have open. The best was Windows 8.1 and 7 at 252 was Windows 8.1 and 7 at 252 and 235 tab. Doesn't that Okay, so

[24:54] Windows 8.11 a huge gap between the other ones, I >> Uh the worst was Windows XP. That makes sense. Um Oh, wait, really? Windows XP >> Yeah. >> 50 tabs for XP and 49 for 11. Really?

[25:10] it's >> she's got to get the telemetry data somehow. >> Best overall was 8.1, Windows 11 is >> Actually, what I suspect is that with XP, it's it's it's just inefficiently

[25:26] managing it. >> And then with 11, it's just a heavier OS overall. So, [snorts] you just have less RAM left to put Chrome tabs in would be >> Uh whereas like something like Windows 8, like dude, Windows Okay. And to be

[25:41] clear, that was why Luke and I both raised an eyebrow when we were reading through every version of Windows, because Windows 8 was a giant steaming 8 ever existed. >> Yeah. And but I think I think

[25:57] whitewashing the history of Windows 8.x X and just referring to it as yes, only Windows 8.1. That was the only one that existed is um not [clears throat] giving

[26:09] enough credit to how long Microsoft stubbornly stuck us with that horrible Metro UI that was not immediately obviously

[26:21] removable on the early versions of Windows 8. Like it was it was a long time. They didn't just launch this thing in early access and go, "No, >> oh wow, this sucks. Okay, well, we have a launch date to hit, but we're going to

[26:34] get that fixed like like right quick, fast for you guys." It was bad for a really long time, and then 8.1 came and just fixed it. October 2012 was Windows

[26:46] just fixed it. October 2012 was Windows 8's release date. Uh, looks like it was released to manufacturing on August 1st, 2012. Um, and then 8.1. I just lost one of my ears. Um,

[27:04] >> Oh, did I? Sorry. I'll fix it. >> Maybe. Uh, and then 8.1 was October. Yeah. So, it took a year and that was a dark year. retailer.

[27:16] >> that was a long year. 8 was the only operating system that I ever uh didn't the only modern okay how do I define this 8 is the only operating system

[27:28] since 2000 where I had a personal computer and never installed it. I had 8.1 but I think I only ever really dove into 8.1 with Windows 9. >> I think I held on to 7 and then went Windows 9, which is 8.1 solidly for

[27:45] sure. I'm accepting that. But it was a modded version of 8.1. And I think that to me means I kind of skipped one because I see 8.1 and 8 so differently. I'm trying to remember if I went 8 or 8.1 on my desktop cuz I don't think I

[27:59] 8.1 on my desktop cuz I don't think I figured out how good 8.1 was until figured out how good 8.1 was until Windows 10 was already out and like 8.1 had turned into like the sexy remember when Windows was way lighter and when

[28:11] search worked. >> Yeah. cuz I think 8.1 was the last one where the search didn't suck. >> Yes, I'm I'm pretty sure that's true. >> Yeah. So, I I actually picked up on 8.1 for like running VMs and stuff. And I

[28:27] don't I don't know if I ever desktoped it. I I don't actually I don't I don't I don't remember, but I I definitely don't like fondly remember using it like I did is a controversial take, but >> I genuinely liked Windows 9.

[28:40] part of the reason why I liked Windows 9 was because it was such a like FU. >> Oh yeah. >> To be honest, uh I was reminiscing over the weekend with a buddy of mine about

[28:53] the weekend with a buddy of mine about uh Windows Vista Black Edition. Um which was another Yeah. Yeah. Uh which was another like Windows 9 style like uh community mod. Uh and Black Edition was awesome. Actually, uh, I used to have my

[29:08] Windows XP, um, boot logo modded to I'm trying to find the exact one. I think it was this one without the without the shine. I I

[29:21] had it set up to load Windows XP pirated edition uh, for the like the loading >> Yeah. >> Um, apparently that's been popular across many [laughter] vers. Okay. I specifically searched for XP, but there

[29:35] are also some ones in here that are not XP. Uh, like this one apparently was XP. Uh, like this one apparently was Vista. Is that an upside down? Nice. All right, >> man. Uh, I'll I'll make it work. I can

[29:49] either have my left ear or my right ear active. >> It seems to be the cable, Dan. >> Anyway, go check out >> no, I leaned over. I probably bumped something, Dan. I'm sorry.

[30:03] later. We'll deal with it. >> Um, >> Yeah. >> Uh, should we do the Disney one? Are we video demonetized? >> Show it. I don't care.

[30:15] >> All right. Disney undercuts. This is I like this one actually hurt. I don't know. Uh, Disney undercuts decades of incredible film making technology with AI animals. Uh, VFX extraordinaire Rob

[30:29] Bdau, known for his work on Star Wars through Industrial Light and Magic, which is owned by Disney, gave a mostly interesting is the notes 15minute TED talk about how technology has enabled artists to more

[30:44] stories or something something their stories. Uh, however, it was punctuated by a one and a half minute AI generated alien creature montage designed to get the audience excited about the future of AI tools for filmmakers. And to be

[31:00] clear, this is if this is the one that I'm thinking of, it is specifically set I'm thinking of, it is specifically set up as an artist's vision of what Star Wars worlds might look like. Um, if a I think it was like a scout drone is

[31:14] Yeah, there we go. Yeah, it is this one. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, it is this one. Oh, hi Dan. [laughter] yourself. >> Okay, before we do this, no, forget the

[31:28] audio. It doesn't matter. Before we do this, I didn't think this was real. I was in the car with I think it was uh [sighs] who else was chilling with us? Was Glenn

[31:42] our camera op? I think I think Glenn was there. And um I think we had someone from the business team there. It doesn't matter. The point is everyone was like matter. The point is everyone was like talking about it which made me feel like

[31:55] like like it's real and Adam insisted that it was that it was like cringe and like you won't believe what Disney did. And so I was mindowing so I was so I was prepared >> what [snorts] I assumed he was talking

[32:09] >> because he's like yeah you won't believe this Disney AI thing. And everyone was like yeah yeah. And I was like, it's weird that we're all talking about this don't understand why we're so upset because Disney announced their

[32:22] partnership with Open AI recently and so so people could, you know, Sora Disney characters like like did someone fanfic >> something Disney and you're like just depressed for the future of storytelling because it was like the worst fanfic

[32:36] thing ever? Like I got I got kind of confused cuz I hadn't heard anything >> in this leadup conversation and Adam's like, "No, no, no, no, no. This is something else entirely different." And he showed it to me and it took me

[32:49] probably three or four slides to go, "Wait, this is official.

[33:01] this is official. Like this is not like cringe fan Like this is not like cringe fan [ __ ] Like this came from Disney. So with that preparation in mind, this is an actual Disney employee talking about

[33:19] an actual Disney employee talking about the future of human imagination of a brand new Star Wars planet and the creatures that might accompany it or creatures that might accompany it or inhabit it. Excuse me.

[33:35] my god. >> Yeah. >> So, what is this? >> It's like a sloth with what looks like or something. >> Metal or something. Metal. Metal sloth.

[33:52] >> Sure. A lot of this is like, you know, uh I don't know, 2006 Facebook, two animals hybrided together. >> Zebra gorilla. >> A fish lizard.

[34:05] >> Fish lizard. It's a snail. >> This is This is the first one Adam >> Yeah. It's a snail bird. >> A snail [ __ ] >> We

[34:24] Yeah, that is what it is. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. This time we hybrided a zebra >> Yeah. And put it in an environment that it will not survive in. Very good.

[34:38] >> Can you imagine firing up a new Star Wars film and seeing, you know, one of these attacking the reanimated corpse of Palpatine for some reason?

[34:50] [laughter] a flamingo iguana. >> Let's blow up another really big space structure with Palpatine on it. structure with Palpatine on it. >> This is just a blue fawn.

[35:09] >> It's It's rough, man. >> And it goes on for so freaking long, guys. Check this out. Like, Dan, can you get rid of me for a sec? >> Thanks. [sighs] Guys,

[35:23] it's like it goes on for way longer than Haha, a funny joke. We were just kidding. You guys, look at the No, look at this. It keeps going. Like, it goes on for a very long time.

[35:42] And like if this was like some dude in the office and they're like, "Hey, buddy and they're like, "Yeah, I threw this together in a few minutes or whatever. I was just messing around." Like, that's fine, I guess. But like,

[35:55] >> at a TED talk, >> like, >> you're a major multibillion dollar international. >> I almost don't care if this isn't like a high school student project. It's rough.

[36:08] high school student project. It's rough. >> Like, what? Okay, the dumbest part or not the no this is actually far from the dumbest part but I don't know this felt dumbest part but I don't know this felt especially ridiculous to me was one day

[36:23] out about this before I had this conversation I I literally did this and conversation I I literally did this and my whole point my whole point in our AMD

[36:36] my whole point my whole point in our AMD coverage at CES this year was that AM an AMD representative talked about how your AI could give you powerful financial advice >> and I was like lol. Um,

[36:53] >> Didn't they also say something about like infinite energy or some like crazy claim? I thought they made some like >> I didn't hear that part. But my point was this. Look, I don't think anyone's

[37:07] going to be upset about having a decent NPU on your product, right? So that you NPU on your product, right? So that you can, and I literally used this as my can, and I literally used this as my example of like just dumb [ __ ] that

[37:21] people might want to do [laughter] with their stupid crappy like NPU on their laptop. This was literally one of the two just stupid, ridiculous, with

[37:36] with >> when like a human made that in in 2008 or whatever, it was funny. >> Zebra fish. [laughter] >> I used the Photoshop blending tools to >> Look, Dad. Zebra fish.

[37:50] >> Yeah. How is this a credible conversation even from a major industry player like Disney? >> Yeah, it's crazy. And and ILM was like god tier for

[38:05] yeah. >> Well, yeah. Right. >> Yeah. I'm sure they still have the talent somewhere. It just wasn't on stage. Well, I don't know. Maybe that guy's good. But like it it wasn't shown

[38:17] >> Is this >> during that section of the thing? I >> 4D chess. >> Are they trying to generate backlash in order to rebel against top level executives who are demanding more AI?

[38:34] Please tell me that's it. Just tell me that's it. You know what? I That is a move that happens, but it's not that common.

[38:46] >> Is that Tell me that's it, Luke. Give me hope. Give me a new hope. You might say hope. Give me a new hope. You might say >> for a third time. [laughter] >> Six Star Wars burn. That's a deep cut. [laughter]

[39:00] >> Not a deep cut, but it cuts deep, which is I guess where >> Uh, I don't believe it, but I hope so.

[39:12] >> Yeah. >> Tell me that's it. Tell me it's 4D >> because otherwise >> it might result in the same thing. >> If it's not 4D chess, then I think I'm just going to give up and I'm going to

[39:26] apply to work at Disney [laughter] because apparently my ideas are just as >> If that got on stage, you'd be fine. You'd be you'd be totally fine tomorrow. You can do what I did to get to get here.

[39:41] >> Is it even lying anymore? >> I created Zebra Fish. Is it even lying >> I tra trademarked it. Patented zebra fish.

[39:58] [clears throat] Some of them are are interesting. Do you see anything in the video that got you excited? No, not at all. Um, how long generated content in a major motion picture? I just won't go watch it. I've

[40:11] >> Would we be surprised? Would you be surprised to hear that it has sort of >> No. >> Because like even if it's at the concept art stage where to be clear, there's a lot of people that are upset about that

[40:27] lot of people that are upset about that type of use for it because concept artists are a thing. But what I'm what I'm getting at here is if it were used at the concept art stage and a real artist went and took it from concept art

[40:41] to what you actually see, you probably would not have any way of noticing it. You wouldn't be able to tell from the pixels or whatever. So odds are that it's already been used extensively even if it's just just at the concept

[40:58] even if it's just just at the concept art stage. Um, >> David threw this into the notes. This comes after Disney's big push into

[41:13] artificial intelligence that got an AI powered Darth Vader in Fortnite, who was immediately tricked into saying racial slurs, and also after they continued to Mouse from entering the public domain with one hand, while investing a billion

[41:27] dollars into open AI with the other. Yeah, thanks David. That really makes me >> Yeah, it's tough. They're just losing as far as I can tell. Things like Bluey are they're lashing out and trying to accomplish things. And

[41:41] >> this doesn't seem like it >> is one of them, which to me just means you're just losing way harder now. It's funny cuz like they [snorts] don't even funny cuz like they [snorts] don't even really use a lot of the IPs that were so

[41:55] really use a lot of the IPs that were so >> formative and foundational and iconic. >> formative and foundational and iconic. Like do you think kids today would not >> I mean I guess they did do a DuctTales reboot. I was just I was trying to think

[42:07] like do would they not like Donald Duck and Mickey and like it's funny because when you're when you're at Disneyland those characters are still so central to the brand identity but like when I was a kid I feel like there was so much media

[42:20] remember I had one of those little like golden books that was like Mickey Mouse but it was the story of the prince and the popper like like you know Disney's whole shtick where they they steal folklore and fairy tales and then they

[42:33] just like put their IP and characters on it. Like that seemed like a pretty good And then now they've gone like self-referential where they just like remake their own movie but in live action. And it it it feels like at a

[42:48] that. Maybe you could I don't know just look I don't want to be in charge of Disney but it seems like you could just I don't know do that. >> They are releasing Toy Story 5. >> Oh god.

[43:00] This is not a popular opinion, but I felt Toy Story 4 was just so unnecessary. I I felt like Toy Story 3 tied the whole arc up into a nice little bow and I felt like it was done. And Toy Story 4 just felt like one of those

[43:14] then this happened and then this happened and then like this happened and wasn't that cool and then this happened. Uh we'll see how it goes. >> Yeah,

[43:27] I don't know. The original Toy Story trilogy is pretty legendary. I didn't I didn't hate Toy Story 4, other ones did. You know, >> Toy Story 4 felt so unnecessary.

[43:45] >> Yeah. Uh [sighs] yeah, there's there's again more no to this. There's there's again more no to this. There's there's another extra added. Um, do you think we practical effects in movies or is this another turning point towards the

[43:58] artificial? I don't know. I really liked the the plain scene. Wow, why can't I the the plain scene. Wow, why can't I talk today? The plane scene in um >> airplane. [laughter] >> Uh, what is that movie called? It's from

[44:13] the guy who made Inception. Um, but it's about like Yeah, the plane scene in Tennet was sick and it was filmed by actually smashing an actual big plane into an actual big building. Um, which was like pretty

[44:28] >> That sounds really expensive. >> It was. So, they did it once and then [laughter] >> and then they used that scene in like a bunch of different ways, which was probably to justify the expense of it.

[44:41] Uh, but it was really cool how they did. I actually really like Tenant, but um reviews ever. No. >> Um

[44:54] [sighs] I was watching some older like ' 80s, '90s action flicks recently as part of my like watching older movies that I never saw. And I think the thing that stood out to me

[45:07] the most was the car chase scenes. It's like that semi-truck uh like dirt bike chase scene in Terminator 2 hits so much harder when I

[45:20] know like obviously it's not as spectacular as some CGI up the butt thing from Avengers or whatever, >> but you know someone's on that bike, >> but you know someone's on that bike, >> but like they actually bashed a semi

[45:34] up. They actually like did those stunts with the bikes. They they they really did all that stuff and it was maybe from like as a kid watching it um I I I would rather just have the CGI, you

[45:49] or whatever. >> I think this is a very interesting point >> But as an adult appreciating the artistry of it, >> I find just the speed of the dirt bike uh as

[46:03] slow as it is far more engaging knowing that it's real. interesting. That's a pretty good point, I think, because yeah, I I there's fight for of like the real is more interesting,

[46:16] it's just like >> I don't know, goopy brain juice stuff, >> and when you're when you're older, it's like, how was this made? What's the investment in risk? What's the investment in funds? Like,

[46:31] >> Wow. Like, they you can tell the care that went into the scene because they there was so much spent on it. So, you know that they must have have really and and blah blah blah blah blah. And that all impacts your appreciation of

[46:44] the art. the partnership that they must have had to forge with General Motors to get totally >> to get like 19 cars that are going to be in like a giant pile up knowing that they have to convince them that they

[46:57] need them at a good price and that it's okay for their brand to be, you know, bashed cuz like literally like bashed in because a lot of the time car companies in you more modern times will not allow even a scratch on the car and you'll

[47:11] notice that it's just totally immersion breaking. Once you're once you notice it, once you're aware of it that like, oh, okay, so the hero's car is not allowed to have any damage or scratches because it's the hero's car, even though

[47:25] it bashed into a bunch of stuff and drove through a burning building or whatever it is that it did. which to be clear is kind of silly because like the clear is kind of silly because like the coolest Toyota truck like ever is this

[47:40] one which the like the marshmallow truck through the fires repeatedly to save people and their truck just like made it cuz it's a beast Toyota and then Toyota just gave them a new one. Like the scars

[47:54] can be cool if your car goes through some crazy stuff in the film [snorts] bad thing. >> Does Plex have a like history of stuff to see. >> I think it does.

[48:08] me dig through it. I'll see if I can figure out what I was watching recently. figure out what I was watching recently. That was really good. Um, topic if you want to. >> Hilarious. Nick Plof and I are friends

[48:21] and uh we can see what each other watch on Plex. I should probably let him know don't think either of us probably intended that. Uh, hope you're enjoying that show you're watching, Floop. I didn't mean to creep on you, but quality

[48:36] selection. Um, >> they enabled it by default. >> Wait, really? >> Yep. It just kind of came out of I don't blame you for not paying attention. Is anyone coming for I mean I

[48:51] probably just forgot but is anyone really coming for Plex? Like I've heard bring it up people kind of shrug and go like yeah Plex is still better. replacing at this point? >> I will have to give it another shot.

[49:07] It's been a long time since I've looked at it. I will >> People are saying MB. We had three different people in a row say MB and then now people are spamming jellyfin. Wow. Okay. Trying to remember I it might

[49:19] have been Bad Boys one. >> Now question spamming Jellyfin is amazing. >> Is Jellyfin open source and Plex isn't or is it just good? >> Which one is it?

[49:31] >> Be real. >> Why not both? >> Be real with me? >> Because it being cool because it's open source is great, but that has to be in addition to it also being great. that

[49:44] cream. >> You know what? I think it might have been Last Action Hero. I I think that's the one that I that I was watching when I thought, "Oh my god, all this stuff is real." Cuz that was shot in 1993. So,

[49:58] someone posted, "You should you should watch a video that's like, uh, no CGI is just good CGI." Not in 1993. In 1993 when they crashed a car into another car, they got two cars and they

[50:12] basically did what every six-year-old boy does when he's got two cars in his hands. But just filmmakers on a much bigger budget. >> Mhm. No, you can tell when it's a scale

[50:25] >> Mhm. No, you can tell when it's a scale model, guys. Come on. Come on. Be real. >> Sometimes it's pretty hard. >> Cars. Cars have weight. >> Yeah. the the way that they bend, the way No, no, no, no, no. Especially when

[50:40] it's a low speed collision and they like you can, you know, those '8s cars, right? Like you can see the shocks and the weight of them. There's No, no, no, >> There's [snorts] an additional part of this topic. Uh, do you think Larry did

[50:54] longer use generative AI even during conceptualization? And I was like, what? Uh, cuz that isn't what I heard last time at all. And it sounds like some

[51:07] >> Oh. >> Um, >> Um, let's see here. 13 hours ago let's see here. 13 hours ago there was Why is it Swen instead of

[51:20] Sven? Are you supposed to pronounce it Swen? >> wrote it that way. Anyway, >> I don't know. you enjoyed our games. So, first off, there is not going to be any J gen Gen

[51:33] AI art in Divinity. I know there's been a lot of discussion around about us using AI tools as part of concept art exploration. We already said this generated by a AI, but we understand it's created confusion. So, to ensure

[51:47] decided to refrain from using Gen AI tools during concept art development. never. >> Yeah, that way there can be no discussion about the origin of the art. Having said

[52:00] that, we continuously try to improve the speed with which we try to get things out. The more iterations we can do, the better in general the gameplay is. We think Gen AI can help with this. So, we're trying things out across

[52:14] departments. Our hope is that it can aid us to refine ideas faster, leading to waste, and ultimately higher quality game. The important bit to note is that we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100%

[52:29] sure about the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data. If we use a genia model to create in-game assets, then not the thing that was >> Yeah, we need to make sure that when we

[52:43] right notes for the thing. I'm deleting that. Um, so basically what they're saying just like refrain from taking out your cell phones and taking pictures of your cell phones and taking pictures of the performance. Um, that is not, you

[52:57] know, a hard never that is a like please don't because they can't even guarantee that their own people internally will not use these tools. They cannot prevent uh a laran employee from going home getting their laptop. I'm sorry I mean

[53:13] this laptop from our laptop partner Razer. Thank you. Getting their laptop, work, and using it as part of their >> Oh, that's not Sven. That's why it's not Sven. >> Cool. Um,

[53:28] >> they they can't prevent anyone from doing that. And then the second part of doing that. And then the second part of this is shoot, now I'm distracted. >> that was the game director. It's a different person.

[53:40] >> Is that forever is a very long time. They would be completely bonkers at this point to say no generative AI forever. And they know that which is why that statement >> was basically we're going to keep doing

[53:55] exactly what we're doing. >> Here's a statement we crafted that will hopefully let you guys settle down and touch some grass. The the most interesting part to me was that the important bit to note is that

[54:07] we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100% sure about the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data. That part's very >> So basically we will use generative AI

[54:22] in the concept phases. >> We will generate assets that will end up in the game but we will be sure of the origin of the but we will be sure of the origin of the training data. M that seems like maybe

[54:34] not for Divinity. >> Yeah, maybe not for Divinity, but >> That last bit seems pretty clear. >> That's kind of the plan. Yeah, but this talking about it, but this is the plan for everyone. It's been fascinating to

[54:48] for everyone. It's been fascinating to me how um like Laren and the the people me how um like Laren and the the people behind uh Clare Obscure um I I don't remember their studio name uh are are gaining so much flack for this. And then

[55:02] gaining so much flack for this. And then Embark, the people who made Arc Raiders, are like super open about it and have been forever and they're getting been a couple big hits, but but not that much. And then you see Battlefield out

[55:17] there [laughter] so obviously having used it to the point where I've seen like promotional images that have like very telltale signs of AI influence and everybody's just like, "Oh, whatever. I don't know. It's EA.

[55:31] just leave them alone. It's like, ah, come on. Come on. [sighs] Anyways, um, all right, moving on. Speaking of cool things, I'm going to do a random like

[55:44] >> Oh, >> is Dan going to have us do anything >> Probably do the merch >> cuz your thing there says topic type and >> Nice. Wow. >> Nice quality.

[55:56] >> Nice quality. >> Wow. Oh, right. Hey. Oh, shoot. I got too warm

[56:10] and I finally took it off. Well, uh, okay. Go to Luke's screen. >> If you're looking for something Valentine's themed without it being over-the-top mushy gushy, our pixel perfect love collection is live now.

[56:27] It's clean, subtle, wear, and wearable. Beyond February the 14th, we've got the Pixel Heart t-shirt if you want to fire that one up. Yay.

[56:39] Uh, and the Pixel Heart hoodie if you want to match with someone or just grab something understated that still feels special. The Pixel Heart T-shirt keeps things simple with silicone heart patches on the sleeves. It's I think

[56:51] it's just on one sleeve. On one sleeve. It's subtle, intentional, and inspired by the idea of wearing your heart on your sleeve, but also, you know, video game health bars. Yeah, got to got to be gamers. And the Pixel Heart

[57:04] hoodie keeps things subtle with a red-on red raised 3D graphic, so you get texture without it being too loud. There's also a small silicone patch with three pixel hearts near the pocket, which is a tiny detail, but helps to

[57:19] And did we bring people in for couple shoots? Seems like it. Shay. Um, how >> if we brought them in? This isn't here. >> Yeah, >> cool.

[57:32] >> It went somewhere. >> And if you want something a little more um office professional, our long sleeve polo is back in a new eggplant color with a pop of blue under the collar. Same clean look, just a little more put

[57:48] together without being, you know, formal. So whether you're buying for someone else or just adding some color to your professional wardrobe, the Pixel perfect love collection is available now at lmg.gg/pixel perfect. And you can

[58:00] also check out the long sleeve polo shirt in a fun new color. [snorts] All right, now it's time to explain merch messages. If you want to interact throw money at your screen, guys. We'd much rather that you throw money at

[58:14] ltstore.com and get some quality merchandise in addition to, you know, sending a message to Dan, who will definitely read it. He will, though. All you got to do is go to ltstore.com and add something to your cart. You'll see

[58:28] the little interface here for merch messages. You type a little merch anonymous or show your first and last name, and you pick a color scheme, and you go ahead and place your order. It goes to producer Dan. Hey, we got a

[58:40] >> Oh, >> yeah. Nice. Looking good. >> A little a little flash of Italian in the summer. >> Um, >> you're missing the gold chain though,

[58:53] Dan. Uh, [laughter] and also, we would need more buttons for you to go full full Mediterranean >> right down to the belly button. Uh, anyway, it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it or pop it up here if

[59:07] you just have a shout out for someone or who will curate it and read it to me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you want to show us a couple curated merch messages? >> Yeah, sure. Why don't we have one here about the pixel heart? Hey, Wan.ai.

[59:20] >> Is the Pixel Heart drop a celebration for your new 50/50 loving relationship or just a Valentine's approaching? >> What is this? joke. I don't get

[59:32] >> for having owning half of win. You're now tied together. >> Yeah. It's funny. Business arrangements are actually like way way more binding >> Turns out >> fun time.

[59:46] joking about it. Like when we bought a house together, >> we were [laughter] like, "Oh, >> we actually we bought a house together before we got married and we were like, "Oh, well, I mean like

[59:58] when we started the business, it was just like, "Oh, okay. So, between owning a house together, having kids together, and the business, we're like full stuck, which is good cuz I'd like her to not leave me." [snorts] Okay,

[1:00:12] carry on. >> Uh I'm uh I mean, uh yes, that is why we did it. Uh the the creative people at Creative Warehouse were like, "You know what? Valentine's Day ultimately unimportant. What really matters is the

[1:00:26] unimportant. What really matters is the the link uh between Lionus and Luke. Um and this shirt just symbolizes that and nothing else. >> Sure. Two-parter. Totally not that Luke found out about this today, [laughter]

[1:00:45] noticed it on my chair and was like, "Huh?" And then put it on and then noticed that and was like, "Oh, neat." and then loaded up the store to be like, "What's going on?" >> We only talked about the 50/50 like last

[1:00:58] week. So, we designed a shipped and prepared a shirt in less than one week. >> Four days. Four days. >> I'm very impressed by that team. >> Absolutely incredible. Uh, also, what class or spec did you play in? Wow.

[1:01:13] >> Classic >> based all the all the classes, all the specs, sorry. Uh, the best spec warrior ever is fury pro in classic WoW because wearing shields while tanking is boring and not wearing shields while tanking is

[1:01:27] >> there's another one here for Luke as well, also about WoW. Thoughts on add-on removals in WoW Midnight? >> Oh, I don't care. I don't play retail. >> Oh, gross. >> Unbelievable. [laughter]

[1:01:40] Unbelievable display. How dare you insult him by asking [laughter] such a question? Damn. Damn. have a hard time changing their raid design because for many many many years,

[1:01:54] raid design was done with the the theory that people would be having add-ons [clears throat] basically like tell you what to do all the time. There will move >> or whatever. Yeah. Like the add-ons are

[1:02:09] really intense. It's funny because like I actually u I' I've really been frustrated sometimes but also enjoying how not handholdy Clare Obscure is. On the one hand it's modern gaming way too easy. Like when you die in a fight you

[1:02:25] easy. Like when you die in a fight you just fry it again. Like there's it's like a 4se secondond penalty and you just go for it again. It auto saves like just go for it again. It auto saves like all the time. Um, but on the other hand,

[1:02:39] like sometimes I'll get annoyed cuz I can't figure out where to go. Like >> So the difficulty is high, but the punishment is low, I guess. >> Yeah. So you like you really have to you really have to to try. Um, and so so

[1:02:54] sometimes I've been kind of annoyed, but I've also really appreciated and I found like the combat for instance way more engaging when the timing is really hard to get. Um, and like they have these uh they have these side challenges where

[1:03:09] you have to like parkour and I don't know if you've ever parkour in a like know if you've ever parkour in a like like third person view uh 3D game where cuz it just like does it for you. >> Frankly, it's an RPG

[1:03:24] [laughter] >> I kind of had flashbacks to Psychonauts. >> Um. >> Huh. Like some of them are really really frustrating, but like getting to the top of like the

[1:03:39] tower one, I'm like, "Yeah." And I don't know, I felt like accomplishment in playing a game that I haven't felt in a while. >> So, so I'm into that. That sounds like the opposite thing. And like they have,

[1:03:52] little bit of white paint. >> Oh. um like with the climbing things, and sometimes there'll be like strains of gold in the rock and they're actually >> Yeah, >> I don't know. I like it. I like it.

[1:04:07] >> There's there's a there's a lot going on in like I don't know. I haven't played them, but there's a lot going on in like modern WoW raids and before the add-on removal, I guess. I don't know if it's already happened or not. Um,

[1:04:22] and and but but yeah, like there there will be this mechanic where like say there's there's a boss and he's hitting your tank, right? Fairly obvious MMO type stuff, but he'll put a debuff on your tank. And once the debuff gets to a

[1:04:34] certain amount of stacks. Yeah, >> you need to swap which tank is currently >> because the the main the one tank will get to too many stacks and you need to back and forth, right? >> Um, pretty normal, very average thing to

[1:04:48] be on a boss. very average. >> There will be add-ons that when your stat count when the stat count of the other guy is too high >> 6 in tank, average size tank, that's way more like 8 in, but okay. [laughter]

[1:05:04] >> Uh when it's when it's your turn to taunt and like take the boss over stacks, it'll just tell you >> the add-on will be like taunt. So like if you've played a bunch, you'll

[1:05:17] press the button. You don't even like there's no thinking there is a lot of other stuff happening in the encounter. So it's not like you playing and it can still be really hard. But like the add-ons are managing things

[1:05:32] >> while you're playing around the other mechanics. And like they're they'll difficult despite all that. But these fights have been built with knowing that

[1:05:44] >> Oh, >> so now >> They're in a lot of ways way harder where if you didn't have the add-ons, it >> And like no one's doing. >> So is that

[1:05:56] add-ons out, which is in a lot of ways, it probably makes sense. It's kind of constantly build things for your game. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. cool. That kind of makes sense in some ways, but then your design philosophy

[1:06:10] for your game for so many years has had these things in mind growing pains. Not that I'll experience any of them because any of them because retail sucks, but yeah. Oh no, Adam

[1:06:25] We'll see. Uh, importantly, they aren't banning add-ons. They're just reducing for you like Lucas is describing. Ah, okay. Interesting. Well, that that >> Sure. >> That's cool. Shout out Adam, customer

[1:06:40] care supervisor for Creator Warehouse. >> Yeah. >> How about some more topics? >> We can do more topics. >> Let's talk about the Samsung Smart TV lawsuit. [snorts]

[1:06:54] lawsuit. [snorts] Samsung, Sony, LG, Highense, and TCL are all being accused of deploying surveillance technology without user consent. ACR, automated content recognition, takes screenshots and

[1:07:10] provides other information about what you're watching on your TV to the TV manufacturers's headquarters. Allegedly, you are opted in to ACR when you consent during the TV setup process. To opt out, at least on a Samsung display, you must

[1:07:26] at least on a Samsung display, you must find the right optouts across four or find the right optouts across four or more separate menus. Ours Technica figures it's roughly 15 clicks to complete. After analyzing the lawsuit,

[1:07:39] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has called ACR an uninvited, invisible called ACR an uninvited, invisible digital invader. I agree. Texas has apparently secured a temporary restraining order against Samsung, not

[1:07:52] specifically, which prevents them from continuing to sell, transfer, collect, continuing to sell, transfer, collect, or share ACR data relating to Texas consumers. The district court found sufficient cause to believe that

[1:08:05] Samsung's actions violated the Deceptive Trades Practices Act. A similar restraining order was requested for LG, but a judge denied the state's request. still involved in this legal battle alongside Samsung. The lawsuits argue

[1:08:21] that companies deliberately use dis use misleading labeling and non-intuitive terminology when explaining ACR technology to consumers according to Source Points legal analysis. Texas prosecutors argue that each manufacturer

[1:08:35] prosecutors argue that each manufacturer also hides or obfiscates what ACR can record from its customers. And the answer is basically anything that is connected over HDMI as well as cable boxes. If it's on your screen, it can be

[1:08:50] recorded. This could even include confidential or sensitive information if you were to hook up a laptop or a computer to your TV and view said info. There are no visual cues or warnings that content is being recorded.

[1:09:04] [clears throat] So, this goes way beyond the data that they might need for targeted advertising. This is This is wild. Texas is seeking$10,000 to $250,000

[1:09:18] per violation with higher penalties when persons aged 65 or older were affected. >> No, I totally get it. I think >> really, why not kids?

[1:09:30] >> That would also maybe be fair. I I my thing was maybe suscept more susceptible to scams and if they can target scams more easily because of certain data like that uh because the the people getting wrecked by online scams it's like

[1:09:45] wrecked by online scams it's like wildly vast majority really old people. >> Yeah. >> Oh okay. Yeah.

[1:09:59] horse armor to? the Elder Scrolls. [laughter] No, >> no. [gasps] Based on your own logic, that's not a scam. [snorts]

[1:10:12] >> I know. It's not a scam. It's not a scam. I just thought it was funny >> It was pretty funny. >> Um I was just I was just trying to find to be honest. I didn't even put the

[1:10:24] >> a little bit. >> Yeah. Like there's things about you that are like young dude, but there's also things about you that are very like I'm I'm like middleage and like I'm more interested in exploring the world and

[1:10:38] and having experience sharing experiences, you know? Like you're just >> I started the exploring the world thing >> Yeah, I know. I know, dude. To be clear, >> I see what you mean.

[1:10:50] >> Like you were you were just born like kind of a middle-aged man. >> Yeah. And to be clear, I I I totally get it. Like I just I was like, "Okay, well, I have flunked out of school. I am going to uh join the workforce and immediately

[1:11:05] settle down and have a family as quickly as humanly possible." Um, [snorts] you seem like a fantastic wife. Let's be let's be husband and wife and have children. Like, I don't know. >> I someone recently about like, "How can

[1:11:21] not?" And I was like, "I don't know. Some people do and they were some people do. Sorry, I'm still a little bit sick. I'm having talking problems. Um does. It just sort of happens." And I was like, "No, Lionus did for sure."

[1:11:35] >> Oh, yeah. >> I was like, "No, Lionus knew 100%." like, "I don't know." But he knew the whole time. Like there was no there [laughter] was no there was no gaps. Like this was this was 100% knowledge.

[1:11:51] That was that was the path >> was like get education. Okay. We didn't kids, >> and then and have a family. Yeah. >> There wasn't wavering.

[1:12:05] I I was talking to someone about this the other day, but I had kind of a unique upbringing because >> um you know, people will ask like, "Were you an only child or did you have a lot of siblings?" and I'll be like, "Yes,

[1:12:18] because I was functionally an only child for most of the time up until I was 11." Uh, so that was every other weekend I was with my dad and most of the week.

[1:12:31] And then every other other weekend I was with my mom and also Wednesdays after with my mom and also Wednesdays after school. And so I was an only child at my dad's house. But then at my mom's house, I was one of

[1:12:45] I was one of five. So um after I was 11, I lived with my mom. So I had like only child childhood and then also like some childhood and my entire adolescence as as one of many including because I was

[1:13:01] the second oldest and there was a big age gap between number four and number five of my of my genetic half siblings, but we don't really like see it that way. but it's a technical detail that maybe people care about. Get over it.

[1:13:14] Um, so there was a pretty big big age gap between number four and number five gap between number four and number five of us. So I like knew that I love little kids and I like knew how to change diapers and I like like I actually

[1:13:29] participated very actively in caring for a baby. Um, and it's something that I I a baby. Um, and it's something that I I feel like a lot of parents in my cohort seriously missed out on. Uh, because it used to be that people had enormous

[1:13:44] >> Like tons and tons of kids to the point where by the time number five, number six, number seven, number eight, number nine are rolling in. the eldests and the

[1:13:57] eldest ones are very actively participating in in the care of and the because otherwise it's just it's a completely nonviable situation. And I uh

[1:14:11] I don't know I I I I felt like I just had more certainty and more confidence going into parenthood having had that experience including Ivon >> I laid that out too. Ivonne was one of

[1:14:25] two and they were two years apart. She did not help in any way to raise a child before she was just here you go handed one.

[1:14:38] Yeah. Like that that was brought up as well like oh how could he have known he you've done it you've never had kids before. And I was like well he kind of sort of did cuz he kind of sort of took care of them. So

[1:14:51] >> I got to see a lot of it. >> Yeah. So like I don't know that kind of counts in my opinion. >> Like I remember being in the hospital waiting for my baby brother to come out. Like I I

[1:15:05] like I I can remember that. Whereas >> Ivonne doesn't remember that for for her >> you just can't. She was two. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. Any memory that you have from when you were like two is is

[1:15:19] probably heavily corrupted by that whole remembering a memory problem. remembering a memory problem. >> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Um I don't I do not conversation. >> No idea. [gasps and laughter]

[1:15:31] >> All right. Cool. Uh like at all. >> We should probably get through some >> Sure. [laughter] >> All right. Oh, wait. No, we only have we only have one. Okay. >> If you want to do that now, let's maybe

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[1:17:25] >> the rules are simple. Earlier this week, there was a survey sent out to our team while we were away at CES. Oh, fun. Okay. Five questions were asked and the top three answers for each question have been recorded for us to try to guess. To

[1:17:41] keep things moving, we will be given two guesses each per round. The answers are weighted and there will be up to 300 points up for grabs. Whoever has the each round will get to guess first. And somewhere offscreen, a coin was flipped

[1:17:55] and Lionus will be guessing first for the first prompt. Oh, I see. >> Well, this is very It's only mildly off topic, but I like their box. You open it top. >> My loot cam button doesn't work.

[1:18:09] >> Okay. Uh oh. >> One sec. >> Oh, cute. >> Everything is cool. >> All right, Dan, hit me. >> One second. Sure thing. So, prompt

[1:18:22] number one. Name a piece of tech you couldn't live without. Lionus, you're up first. >> Phone. Wait, this is this is >> Luke. What is your guess?

[1:18:37] >> Or do I have to say that it's on the board or not? I have no idea. I've never >> Sorry. What are we talk? What is my guess? What am I guessing? >> Yeah, I'm guessing who it is. >> You're guessing what everyone said.

[1:18:51] >> Well, you can't say the same thing. >> No, you have to guess something else. >> Well, there's lots of responses. It could be something else. >> Got him. Got him. Got him. Got him. Do we do the survey says first? Probably

[1:19:05] >> Water filtration. >> The hell is wrong with you? [laughter] >> He's just throwing. You can't throw. No, you have to have a real answer. chat. >> I didn't get that from chat.

[1:19:21] >> I didn't get that from chat. [laughter] guesses. >> We get two. Why? I don't understand this game at all. >> What is What is happening? [laughter]

[1:19:34] >> It's Family Feud. You just have to guess what most people said were our employees. >> For sure. Answer that you already said you'll get to go first if you're behind

[1:19:46] >> Okay. So, I'll go first next time. Uh >> probably [laughter] >> Camera. Camera. Okay. And we have to say

[1:19:58] >> Apparently that's what it says here. >> Okay. I'm going to go with PC or like computer >> computer. Okay. >> Yeah.

[1:20:17] >> At least someone >> I like it. All right. Give us the result for the first one. >> All right. Response number three was computer or laptop. So that's 10 points to Linus.

[1:20:31] >> Response number two was headphones or earbuds. number one. >> Phone. >> Phone. >> Of course. [laughter]

[1:20:44] with 45 points. Luke, nobody said water filtration. [laughter] >> So Luke, you got first. >> They're all lying. Didn't he have two filtration one. >> It was good, though. You all

[1:20:57] >> No, he said it too earnestly. It was way too earnest. being >> drink it from the floor. >> Prompt number two. Name a sign that you've been sitting at your computer for

[1:21:10] too long. Luke, you're up first. >> Numb legs. >> Dry eyes. >> Dry eyes. Yeah, I don't get this >> Sore eyes. Someone asked me recently if I wanted eye drops and I was like for

[1:21:22] what? >> And hey Luke, you have another one. >> Luke. >> Skill issue. [laughter] >> Luke, guess number two.

[1:21:34] >> Sun comes up. >> Sun comes up. >> Tired. All right. So comes up. >> You are so Your answers are so revealing of yourself. You're supposed [laughter] to guess for the other people. This is

[1:21:47] to guess for the other people. This is we surveyed LMG. Uh whatever. Um number three survey says sore eyes. >> That's 15 points to Linus.

[1:21:59] >> Response number two is legs or butt going numb. >> 20 points to Luke. >> And response number one was back or neck >> Definitely posture issue. What is wrong with my co-workers? Uh, prompt number

[1:22:13] three. Name your favorite LTT store item. Luke, you're up first. >> Okay, Luke goes first. >> Nice. Screwdriver. >> Damn. >> Um, [sighs and gasps]

[1:22:25] >> Um, [sighs and gasps] [snorts] internal people. we make. We make so much. I'm going to say scribe driver. Scribe driver for

[1:22:40] like backpack. >> Backpack. >> Everyone got one at the Christmas party. So, it has probably the most internal >> That's actually really smart gamesmanship. And guess the last one.

[1:22:53] Lus, I'm going to go with water bottle. has to. >> Guess number three is cargo pants. >> The cargo pants are sick. >> That makes sense. Number two, backpack.

[1:23:11] >> Number one. >> Do you know number one? It's >> Let's go. >> Hold on. I got to do some tabulation >> Coming out of nowhere. >> Ah, I should have gone backpack. You're

[1:23:24] right. Fudge. >> When I went it was like backpack might screwdriver, but I was like, if he gets backpack, then he's getting number two. >> Luke pulls ahead. Prompt number four. Lionus. You're up first here. [laughter]

[1:23:37] It's fine. I got this. >> Name something you would use a magnet >> Name something you would use a magnet for. Lionus, you're up first.

[1:23:57] Sticking to my fridge. Okay. I don't know. >> That's pretty good. Picking up screws. >> Picking up screws. Line of guess number two. mounting a tool.

[1:24:11] >> Cable management. >> Oh crap, that's a good one. >> Luke for cable management. Guest number three, picking something up like drop >> Nice cheating. >> Uh, guess number two, sticking something

[1:24:27] to a fridge. >> And guess number one is cable management. >> Ah, such a good one. That's a good one. >> I have no excuse for that one. That's so dumb.

[1:24:40] >> Okay. >> More LT story answers. I feel like they almost answered like they almost reverse family feuded us here. [laughter] >> Like trying to give responses that we would.

[1:24:53] would. >> And that's such an LMG LT store answer. >> Yeah. >> Cheap. Cheap. Cheap. And lastly, name something you're likely to leave at the hotel while traveling.

[1:25:07] >> Lionus, you're up first cuz you're in last place. >> Okay. So, is this like like you have left the hotel permanently? You've

[1:25:20] >> Yeah, you've left it at the hotel. I'm going with cable. going with cable. >> Cable. Okay, Luke.

[1:25:47] Charger Lionus >> are you a kick your socks off in bed kind of guy? Yeah, definitely.

[1:26:00] >> I used to be and then I left a lot of socks in hotel rooms [clears throat] no, not that." And I'll I'll take them and I'll put them in my >> I think you've been pretty good about >> my last guess, so I'm going back to

[1:26:14] but toothbrush. >> Toothbrush. >> I feel like this one's going to be quite >> number three. Headphones or earbuds? >> They love headphones. [laughter] >> REALLY? HOW DID you manage to leave your

[1:26:28] >> Why? >> Yeah, I would never leave my headphones. >> Number two, toothbrush. >> Oh, nice. 15 points to Luke. toothbrushes? >> How do you lose your toothbrush? That is

[1:26:40] trying to think of things like Oh, man. >> I've definitely left socks. That one was good. >> And number one, Charger for 25 points. [laughter] >> GG.

[1:26:54] Charger would count because it was so >> I was going to give Lionus judgment on cable if nobody picked it. Um, so that cable if nobody picked it. Um, so that is 155 points to Luke, 85 points to L.

[1:27:11] start, >> dude. Purified water. >> People just never they didn't really think about it. They didn't really think about it. technically technology, but like not in the way we're talking about

[1:27:23] it right now. [laughter] >> What is wrong with like floor water? >> I can't live without the wheel. [laughter] This guy. Uh, massive shout out again to Delta Hub for sponsoring this fun little

[1:27:41] >> It was pretty fun. >> Um, don't you dare do it again. I [laughter] hate losing. >> Just kidding. I mean, blame blame your employees for that one. >> Nope. I blame Delta Hub. I blame my

[1:27:54] >> You blame the people with the cool bars. >> I will never take your money again. >> All right. Uh, why don't we jump into >> They will if you go to the QR code on >> Yes, they sure will. >> Um, Steam Machine price leak.

[1:28:13] >> Um, Steam Machine price leak. >> Yeah. Um I w I was kind of wondering if cuz on at some point in time on Wan show we said expected prices didn't we? >> We've talked about it. I've guessed in a dedicated video on LT.

[1:28:26] guessed but I don't remember what I said. So what did you guess? >> There's also a note that I think you just flashed it on screen. People are have no idea. It's a it's a leak or a rumor or whatever. But there's also

[1:28:40] rumor or whatever. But there's also people that have noted that in in Czecha uh the tax is included in the price. So this would be with tax. >> Okay. [snorts] So my guess and yeah this

[1:28:52] >> might be >> might be >> um [snorts] how did this comment get

[1:29:06] voted on Reddit of all places. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> you know what? That's fine. I uh Okay. Anyway, the point is uh my guess according to the AI overview,

[1:29:20] imagine using AI to find your own um information. It does sound right though. information. It does sound right though. Uh my guess was apparently 6 699. Uh my guess was apparently 6 699. However, I did I did pull the totally

[1:29:34] um am I expecting 700 800? Wait, wait. Okay. Yeah, Vice says I believe $699 apparently. That's what I said. However, I did pull the totally BS move of saying barring any

[1:29:48] major changes in the market, which was because DRAM was like looking like it was going to go parabolic. Um so, >> you said $6.99 >> Which so >> it looks like their tax on electronics

[1:30:03] there, if I'm correct with the googling, is 21%. >> Um, >> so what's $6.99 * 21% is about another 1230 or something like that. So $830 bucks.

[1:30:18] or something like that. So $830 bucks. So I could be off by over $100 if if it's just a straight conversion. There's very likely also like usually when you have something come up here, it'll be like, "Yeah, it's it's price

[1:30:33] converted and then also round it up to the highest closest 99." >> Um, so there's there's also stuff going going on like that. Miss me with that going on like that. Miss me with that sales tax BS here in Oregon.

[1:30:46] >> Oh, right. Cuz it neat. Cool. Uh, but what we're talking about >> Yeah. is why the the listed price on this leak might actually be higher than you might expect even if the leak is true which is because the tax might be

[1:31:00] included in this price because they include tax in their price in this region. >> J08 says people say the retailer adds 17% margin as well. Sounds like a credible person.

[1:31:16] >> [clears throat] >> So, so all of that combined. >> might land it pretty close. This is what I was trying to effectively get to. >> that'd be kind of cool. I I wasn't expecting really to be right because I

[1:31:31] know there's so much >> regionality plus tax being included plus retailer markup not coming directly from Steam. All that kind of stuff might land it um pretty close to what was expected. >> I think the conversation now is kind of

[1:31:43] the the branching decision tree then. So, if this is right and it actually So, if this is right and it actually ends up being like 900 to a,000 US, >> Really? >> Yeah. I don't think so at all. Um,

[1:31:58] >> I yield the floor. >> One thing is I'm wondering about about competing devices that include a Windows license if they will be priced competitively still after some of these vendors update their prices to reflects

[1:32:12] vendors update their prices to reflects to reflect increasing DRAM prices. uh both in the the you know honestly across the system because a variety of different things use DRAM these days. Um GPUs are going up in price. Everything

[1:32:24] else is going up in price. So like is this actually not that competitive? Um Windows. It might still be cheaper because of a variety of different freaking roof right now. >> Correction for people who are about to

[1:32:37] definitely do. >> Especially when they're buying pre-builts, which this effectively is. But then Windows also doesn't cost that much as a license on a pre-built machine. How much do you know how much

[1:32:49] >> Uh I don't remember. It's a lot less than retail, but it also significantly depends on your agreement with Microsoft. Like at NCIX, retail was like $100, $110, and our cost was like $90. Like it wasn't much lower. But we also

[1:33:05] weren't like a proper SI. And I think a big part of the reason that we couldn't get proper SI pricing was that they knew that we would just sell OEM copies to >> For sure. >> For sure. And so they like couldn't

[1:33:18] >> I'm trying to find >> And that was true not just of NCIX, but the the the retail sort of PC hardware channel in general. You just can't you can't trust those guys to like abide by a licensing terms thing, which from a

[1:33:32] consumer standpoint is pretty, you know, awesome and proconsumer. It's just that from Microsoft's, hey, we'd like to get the money that we intended for this particular licensing terms agreement uh is not conducive to that.

[1:33:46] here we go. >> While you're working on that, Amir in in float plane chat says, "But do you think Valve saw the reaction to your price and just went with it?" >> No, I don't I don't think I have that

[1:33:59] kind of influence. >> Yeah. Um, it's it's so funny that my job title is has literally become, >> you know, a as the as the terms have have changed, has become influencer, and I legitimately like do not have nearly

[1:34:12] seem to think I do. >> I think I think you said this last show as well. I think you're absorbing that term in the wrong direction in my influencer, they don't mean of companies, they mean of the audience.

[1:34:26] they're not talking about your ability to influence Valve or Nvidia. think it goes both ways though, >> right? It like for sure does. >> I think there are a lot of I think there are a lot of people in the online

[1:34:39] media/influencer space who pretend that it does as well. >> I think there's definitely the ability to influence rage within a company at certain employees for doing certain things. So, like uh if something goes

[1:34:55] poorly, a high up that sees that thing go poorly might crush down on someone for it. Uh but if that was literally what they were intending and you're what they were intending and you're like, I don't like it cuz price go up.

[1:35:09] of real impact on >> high level decisions. I mean, if if online anger [clears throat] >> from, you know, influencers and and fans or whatever could could affect major decisions at large companies like

[1:35:24] Disney's Star Wars leadership would not be what it is right now. be what it is right now. >> Yeah. But yeah, I I still think this has viability. Um, there's also that another aspect of this

[1:35:37] extensively at this point, which is the top 10% of earners buying 50% of things. >> oh, the K-shaped economy. >> Does this really affect the top 10% of earners? >> No. But I also don't think that they

[1:35:52] were necessarily going to be after such a mainstream product in the first place. >> I I don't know. I think >> you can get a lot more PC for $1,000. >> Yeah, but I don't think being top or 10% I don't think being top 10% earner means

[1:36:09] >> that's fair. >> I think it's like, oh, cool. Steam has more hardware. I really like the Steam Deck. I'd be cool with more Steam stuff. play video games on my TV. That's awesome.

[1:36:22] >> So, next week we're going to be shooting me building my own Steam machine. >> Hold on. 10% is still a huge market. No, it's it's 10% of income earners are 50% of the purchasing market. >> Yeah. So the top 10% of earners are

[1:36:38] responsible now for 50% of US spending. This is specifically in the US super bad. >> Is wild. >> Like absolutely mindblowing. Like you can literally target the top 10% and you

[1:36:54] can hit half of the spending in the entire US market. And when you consider entire US market. And when you consider how much lower margin that other 90 the products you're selling to that other 90% are because they're going to be,

[1:37:08] you know, more entrylevel products there. all the the the lucrative opportunities. Shouldn't say all, but many of the lucrative opportunities can many of the lucrative opportunities can be had by only targeting [snorts] the

[1:37:21] the very very top earners in that market. still what 35 million people they can sell to. No. No. The

[1:37:33] >> That's completely not that's completely besides the point. The point is that when brands are targeting their product development and their marketing, they development and their marketing, they can just ignore 90% of Americans. And

[1:37:49] you know, those 90% can go, "Hey, please, we're drowning and we can't please, we're drowning and we can't afford this." And brands can be like, "Don't care." because they can access 50% of the consumer spending, the far

[1:38:06] more lucrative, far more profitable spending by only targeting the top percent of earners. That's the point. >> Yeah. It's not Yeah. The the Yeah. When

[1:38:18] you're looking at amount of sales, it's 50% of sales are to 10% of people. the chat." Yeah, that's that's a prime example. That was exactly what gave me

[1:38:31] the epiphany about this was like I was trying to put together how all gamers trying to put together how all gamers seemingly are so angry at Nvidia and yet Nvidia's gaming revenue keeps going up. And I was like, everyone's mad. They

[1:38:47] keep selling more GPUs. Their market share keeps being over 90%. How do I reconcile these? Well, right. It's because those 90% are a very loud voice, but [snorts] not a very powerful voice to people who to whom the only

[1:39:05] language that matters is how much of my [ __ ] you're buying. Um, and and that was how I kind of finally put it together. And I went, "Oh, right. So, these angry gamers, I mean, you might as well be you might

[1:39:18] as well be someone who pirated the movie complaining that you didn't like the plot. Literally, you don't matter. you have no voice to a company whose only language is money. And and that and that's just that's just the case once an

[1:39:32] organization gets large enough is everything boils down to to a spreadsheet to a finance document, right? Uh you literally have no voice if you're if you're not exchanging money with this company. Um

[1:39:48] dead antisocial in float plane chat says buy more money. [sighs] Yeah. Well, >> Yeah. So, I I still think it'll be interesting for that 10% of people,

[1:40:04] which means that if it is if that is true, if it is interesting to those 10% of people, then it will probably be successful. Um, Chapper 88 says, Chap says, "Is there a

[1:40:16] a do your own Steam Machine video coming?" Yes, I finally get to build it next week. Um, I've been out of town, so uh, Justin and Jordan got to have some of the fun without me. But it's going to be in the original Steam Machine

[1:40:31] prototype case that Valve sent out. Completely overhauled hardware like like >> cutting edge AMD um, processor for both CPU and GPU like

[1:40:44] like super fast machine. Um, it's still going to use all commodity hardware. So unlike the official Steam machine 2026, whatever year they attach to it, it will whatever year they attach to it, it will be um upgradeable in the future and we

[1:40:58] be um upgradeable in the future and we tried to make it match the OEM Steam Machine experience in every way. And we were not able to get there for reasons that we'll get into in way more detail in the video, but it's good enough. It's

[1:41:11] good enough for me and I'm pretty excited about it. Yeah. Oh, too far gone says it's time for the weekly Intel arc check. I'm actually worried because all the rumors that I've seen have been GPU

[1:41:26] prices going up in January. Let's see. Has the ARC B580 gone up in price? Okay, that's not a good sign. The uh Oh.

[1:41:38] Oh, yeah. That's not a good Okay, you know what? No. 259 is within my margin of what I consider to be MSRP. There is still one arc, the Onyx Lumi that is

[1:41:50] still one arc, the Onyx Lumi that is available for 259. Uh Dan, do you >> Oh, wait. >> Hilarious. The female audience in float plane chat along with Noki, Mr. Nebbe, and some other people are reminding me

[1:42:04] of what our Newegg affiliate URL is. It's LMG.ggue. feel free to uh use that uh link and then go and pick up an ARC B580 12 gig then go and pick up an ARC B580 12 gig GDDR6 GPU with the Intel Holiday bundle

[1:42:19] GDDR6 GPU with the Intel Holiday bundle which I remind you includes Battlefield which I remind you includes Battlefield 6. There you go. Or one of these other games if you prefer Dying Light the Beast, Assassin's Creed Shadows, or Civ

[1:42:32] >> Yeah, you probably won't. But >> yeah, you probably won't take that last one. there. That's cool. Um, yeah, great high-end, high detail 1080p gaming card. Even can handle 1440p if you don't

[1:42:48] mind a little bit of, you know, XCSS upscaling. Um, just yeah, super quality upscaling. Um, just yeah, super quality card. I um I actually didn't realize this until I was chatting with him at CES, but David Goier, who did the most

[1:43:03] recent ARC challenge and actually sold I think he had a 3080 or 3090 or something what it was, but it was really solid. >> You know how at the end of the video He's still on Arc. >> That's cool.

[1:43:17] >> And we I was chatting with him about it. and he's like, "Yeah, I've just and he's like, "Yeah, I've just I've just disengaged from cuz cuz we were talking about how uh I came across a comment on um I think it was on the

[1:43:33] the AMD the AMD show coverage video where I pulled a GPD Win 5 out of my backpack and was like, I've been playing Expedition 33 on this at 1080p, like

[1:43:45] Expedition 33 on this at 1080p, like epic details, no upscaling required." Um, it's incredible. To be clear, I'm not targeting 60 fps at epic on it. I or use a little bit of upscaling in order to uh if I wanted like 60 plus

[1:43:58] FPS. The point is just like it looks I was like this looks so good. It's absolutely incredible and I'm not using any upscaling. Um AMD's stricks Halo

[1:44:10] they're expensive. That was sort of the point that I was going through. So, someone um actually me in the comments and they were like, "Exedition 33 is a piece of [ __ ] game because you actually can't run it

[1:44:25] without any kind of upscaling or gross taa or whatever." I spent like several hours trying to fix it and turn all that stuff off and I couldn't. I returned the game and I was like, "Okay, first of all, brother,

[1:44:42] sorry. What I meant was I set my upscaling scale to 100%. If that still has some filters or whatever that bother you might be, >> then fine. But I think my I think my meaning was clear.

[1:44:56] >> Number two, get over it. It's a great game. If it is even at all, even remotely a genre you enjoy, or you just are looking for an

[1:45:10] adventure and a and a wonderful story with engaging characters, get over it and just play it. Um, and so I was so I was talking to David about that interaction and and he was and that was when he mentioned like, "Yeah, I'm

[1:45:24] was when he mentioned like, "Yeah, I'm just I'm I've just disengaged myself just I'm I've just disengaged myself from needing to obsess over every pixel and I'm so much happier." And and I he said it at the end of the the arc

[1:45:37] challenge. I just wasn't sure if it would stick, but he's still running his B580. And guy's a gamer. Like don't don't kid yourself. It's not that he just like I don't know didn't really care that much cuz he doesn't play games

[1:45:49] >> a gamer. >> Definitely a gamer. >> Confirmed verified actual gamer. >> Yeah. >> And uh I just I don't know, man. I'm just like whenever I hear people

[1:46:01] freaking out about GPU prices, I'm like, "Hey, or hear me out. Buy the one that "Hey, or hear me out. Buy the one that isn't unreasonably priced.

[1:46:15] But we have something very cool coming for this whole for this whole arc price check thing. >> that's all I'm going to say. >> You can't do that.

[1:46:28] >> That's That's You don't have that power. Wait, he does that. >> I do. [laughter] >> He's drunk. He's gone drunk with power. He owns half the W show for for two [snorts] weeks.

[1:46:41] stuff, though. It's a different department. [laughter] Um, but yeah, no, I I I really wanted to show it off this week and to use it this in the future.

[1:46:54] right. That does sound very exciting and I'm excited for it. >> All right. What are we supposed to be doing now? Oh, float plane announcement. there's so many more topics still. That's fine. This is fun. I'm having

[1:47:07] the show is brought to you today by float plane. Uh, no. Nice. >> It's brought to you with float plane. >> Heck yeah. Where is the float plane now? Oh, there they are. >> Luke,

[1:47:22] week? >> Look, I'm just reading Sammy's thing [clears throat] for this. >> I didn't know cuz nothing eventful >> I didn't know cuz nothing eventful happened. Okay, that is actually that is

[1:47:36] >> This is why I kind of opted to not go. Sort of saw it coming. This was the lowest energy CES >> that I think I have been to.

[1:47:49] >> Maybe the recovery year the first year after co cuz it it was pretty slow. But like in terms of people it was pretty slow. >> I asked a lot of brands like look level with me here. I'm not leaking anything.

[1:48:04] >> Do you really have anything? >> What's shaking? >> not even bacon. >> No. And there was a lot of people that were like, you know, I can't say, but I'd be like, well, I'm considering like

[1:48:18] not going and I'm trying to figure out if I need to go. And they'd be like, >> For the first time ever, I don't know if you know this, I came back a day early.

[1:48:32] >> I didn't until like half an hour before the show. Someone mentioned you got here >> yesterday. Whoa. >> No, I got here I got here yesterday afternoon. I was in office yesterday. >> I was supposed to be I was supposed to

[1:48:44] be flying back this morning and I came backalm I came back a full day early. >> Yeah. >> Like like doing the show from Vegas. >> No, not abnormal. He means like that would be normal to to to be there all

[1:48:59] >> But like we we got some stuff done ahead of time. So MSI sent over their that monitor with their fifth gen QDLE panel. So we were able to talk about like whatever. That was a sponsored video, full disclosure, but it was still cool

[1:49:14] new tech that was coming at CES. Um what was another one we did early? We did uh we did Dell's like 6K monitor early, also sponsored. We And then once I got also sponsored. We And then once I got there, I I got briefed on the new DLSS

[1:49:27] stuff like the night we arrived, which was on the weekend, which is still before the show. So, I had all the information. But then, of course, you information. But then, of course, you know, with any brand, and no offense to

[1:49:39] Nvidia, but particularly Nvidia, what I'll do is I'll write branching versions of the script. >> One where everything they tell me is totally true, and one where there's a little bit of [ __ ] mixed in with it.

[1:49:53] >> And this time, no. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> dude. Have you tried DLSS 4.5? No, >> Okay. >> First, so I got briefed on that. I I

[1:50:08] think I I think I wrote and shot the AMD coverage because we had a pre-briefing on that. And then Intel I was able to do on the very first day of the show because I had that sponsored thing for

[1:50:20] MSI's laptops. They wanted to show off their Prestige laptop and their Stealth. And both of them contain Panther Lake. And I was like, "Okay, listen guys, here's what we can do. I can do a dedicated sponsored LT on these two

[1:50:34] dedicated sponsored LT on these two laptops and you can have 300,000 views. Or hear me out, Panther Lake is kind of a big deal. I really want to talk about Panther Lake. You can be the vehicle through which I talk about Panther Lake.

[1:50:49] That will get probably closer to a million views and by the time I start talking about your laptop, probably half of those people will have tuned out. >> then you will get >> that is still a W

[1:51:02] laptop. And they were super understanding about that and were basically like okay go ahead. So I pretty much got my entire Panther Lake coverage which I had all the slides from um from the way better presentation that

[1:51:16] was like the architectural dive rather than the keynote. I didn't even see the keynote. I heard it was trash. I've heard some very bad things up taking that approach rather than even I didn't even go to the keynote.

[1:51:31] >> Keynotes are >> so dumb. Um because there was actually a spontaneous post on the subreddit, like the LTT subreddit that was just like, "Hey, thanks Lionus for providing like a really balanced take on Panther Lake."

[1:51:44] And I was like, I didn't even really feel like like I had a particularly >> It's cuz you didn't see the keynote. >> It's cuz I didn't watch the keynote. So, I literally just looked [clears throat] at the Panther Lake like

[1:51:57] [clears throat] at the Panther Lake like architectural brief and I looked at the at the lineup and I looked at what they're claiming in terms of like GPU and efficiency improvements and I was like and and then I I was able to game

[1:52:09] on it at the MSI booth and I was like, "Yo, this thing's sick." >> What games do they have available? I I didn't ask for more than just Cyberpunk different platforms. Yeah. That you you

[1:52:22] just you get a feel you get a feel for it and I was able to feel enough that I >> I am justified in being enthusiastic about this. That was all I needed to not a full review. >> At the event that we went to for Panther

[1:52:35] Lake a bit ago, um they had a a laptop there that you could game on, but they You couldn't open the settings. >> Oh, I was allowed to. You couldn't see >> Oh, I was allowed to. You couldn't see the frame rate and it was a unreleased

[1:52:48] >> Okay. >> So, I gave feedback being just like, this. >> This meant actually nothing." Like, >> yeah, >> please. Uh, and they seemed receptive,

[1:53:01] so that was cool. >> Um, anyway, so yeah, so by like day two, I I think it was was it Tuesday or Wednesday? It was whatever was the day of the robot fight. Um, yeah, >> UFB 5 here. Hold on, let me find out.

[1:53:17] >> Um, we're going to have a video and then also I think they're going to have their own things. Okay, so January 6th, so by Tuesday, cuz that was so Sunday, Monday, >> you were like done. >> By Tuesday, I had nothing booked for

[1:53:31] >> Yeah. >> So that's where finally coming all the way around to Sammy and his float plane announcements, Sammy pings me. is like, "Yo, do you want to just go hang out on the show floor?"

[1:53:44] >> I really like doing these. >> Um, so yeah, Sammy and I hung out on the show floor. We went through the uh was this the North Hall or the central hall? just did we did one of the halls together and it was cool. We found some

[1:53:58] cool stuff. I found some cool contacts. I found uh I found a company that makes um um like a really cool competitor to >> Whoa. >> You can apply it without masking.

[1:54:12] >> Right. So, we're going to we're going to hopefully collaborate with these guys. I found um I found a company that does like flight sims, >> but like professional ones. Oh, >> but also a cut down educational version

[1:54:25] that's still like pretty legit, but doesn't have the motion controls and stuff. And they're down to collab on like a $10 versus $100,000 flight sim. >> That's cool. >> So, I'm super excited about that. So, it

[1:54:39] attend the show floor as like a networking event for for a day and then networking event for for a day and then I had the I had the the bot fight thing I had the I had the the bot fight thing which was something. Um

[1:54:53] it was quite the experience. >> We've talked for a long time. I actually had I had a conversation with Emma about this this morning. She was asking me about CES and like why didn't I go?

[1:55:09] >> And I I I gave this spiel of just like there's I just knew there was nothing this year. Like I just I just it was in my bones. I knew there was nothing this feelings from these different companies and no one was really giving me

[1:55:22] see in the eyes of somebody >> when you ask them like is there really like >> the like the the competitive spirit a tell you but you can just see it. They're like I've got something

[1:55:35] that >> like you can tell if you're close. just wasn't anything. Um >> and Salmo asks, "Did you get anything was like gimmicky stuff that I think is gonna is going to sell really well for

[1:55:49] like a TV audience. Um sure. And there's like wow factor stuff, but it's not an buy, you know? >> So, this this was my next point

[1:56:01] Some of it's pretty cool. >> This feels like an additional inflection you and me working together. We walk into the little thing at NCX and there's film fulfill and then you're done. And then there was partway through, I don't

[1:56:15] there was partway through when we started having discussions about like we need to make the content now. >> We need to become the news I think is >> Yeah. There isn't enough interesting automatic news. There isn't enough

[1:56:27] products coming out. This feels like another dip in that >> where like your show floor walk where you're saying, "Oh, Iorked and I found can make this video idea on this this flight thing." That makes a ton of sense

[1:56:40] >> That's what we have to do now. that's where the tech house comes in. >> Emma brought up the tech house. Emma was like, "The tech house makes a lot of sense now because you guys have to take

[1:56:53] an additional step forward to push even harder to make the news or whatever >> Yeah, we will. >> Um and it's it's it's not necessarily

[1:57:05] uh a doom and gloom time. It's just adapting with the times. And now we're in kind of a two-year cadence almost where like I bet you next CES will be going to be pretty sick, too. >> Computex will probably be pretty good

[1:57:19] because next CES will be interesting. >> I I guess I just kind of like casually dropped that, by the way. Um, >> yeah, we should talk about that.

[1:57:31] >> It's up somewhere. >> Yeah, I know. I just don't know how it works. Um, I I'm like boomer trying to navigate this. I'm going to guests. I

[1:57:46] don't understand. understand. Tickets. Request tickets. Something posted on Instagram. I mean, it's got to be. Okay. Shows. Come on.

[1:58:02] Fallon. Okay. Come on. Here we go. Here we go. got it. Here we go. I just need to bit it bit. it bit. >> Hey,

[1:58:16] >> Yeah, that's pretty sweet. >> I uh Okay, this is going to be guy. >> Oh, I think he's SNL Saturday Night Live. Okay, that's cool. Super cool. Okay, so yeah, Thursday.

[1:58:33] Thursday. Put it in your calendar. Thursday, January 15th, going to be on We've actually got a bunch of really cool stuff. Um, that's gonna

[1:58:45] it's more mainstream because, you know, we're we're talking to a very different >> and you got to be able to kind of hold it, [snorts] >> Yeah. Like I saw I saw a really incredible chocolate 3D printer

[1:58:59] >> that it it's like on demand. So it takes only I think it only took about 30 seconds. Sorry. It was about 2 minutes to like poop out a chocolate like about And so you basically go, "Yeah, I want this one. I want it in this shape and it

[1:59:14] and it's like ready to eat." And I was like, "That'd be super cool. How on could make a lot of sense, but if it was if it was there and that's difficult, >> how fun would it be to start the segment being like, "Okay, okay, Jimmy, pick

[1:59:27] he goes like, and then we get a little bit of footage of it starting, chocolate. And then give him a piece of chocolate in that shape or something. >> While we wait for this to go, let me show you some other cool stuff.

[1:59:40] >> Hey, feels like uh feels like we've waited long enough for our chocolate. Is >> And then there's chocolate Jimmy >> and then he eats it. Exactly. Right. [laughter] the the logistics of getting something

[1:59:54] frame >> on a short time frame just seemed like >> Yeah. >> Um so yeah, there was there was lots of stuff. We had lots of options. We actually gave them a menu that was like

[2:00:06] >> a dozen plus items long and I think we've narrowed it down to about half a again? >> Uh we actually had um >> or procurement hunt. >> Yeah. Who was it who was on that? We had

[2:00:20] someone who was basically dedicated for a couple of days to uh finding things for the Tonight Show. >> Which makes no financial sense because >> um not because they didn't try, >> but I wasn't compensated in any way for

[2:00:34] the last appearance and I I doubt that I am this time cuz it's it's I'm Canadian and so it's like harder for them to pay me or harder for me to accept the funds for some like tax or production reasons. I don't remember. It wasn't their fault.

[2:00:48] Um, but it's like it's not it doesn't make it doesn't make any like like like >> It's just fun. It's like >> neat. an off-hand comment to me about that that UFB robot fight thing. They were

[2:01:02] a big bucket of money at you." And I was like, "No, >> If they did, I would have disclosed it, so you would have known." But also, I was just like, "I don't know. [ __ ] it. I'm going to do a robot fight." Like, I

[2:01:14] don't Come on. I keep telling people. >> Why wouldn't you, >> dude? I'm so I I feel like I'm so easy to figure out. Like I'm telling people to figure out. Like I'm telling people I'm in my zero given phase in my career.

[2:01:28] So when I decide to just like realistically spend a lot of money to go and like I don't know be on TV and meet Jason Mimoa because that sounds pretty cool. And also, Fallon's super cool, too, by

[2:01:42] limited interactions I've had with them. We're not like BFFs. Um, or if I want to like be in a robot fight, I don't know, man. I'm just I'm just going to do it. I

[2:01:54] >> I don't care anymore. Just going to go for it. just kind of boring? >> Yeah, I might just do that, too. >> Uh, let me check. Let me check the Jimmy Fallon leads chats. Um, shout out.

[2:02:07] would not have been an option. Shout out Jake Bellivants for all the cool stuff that he posted. I think Sean Caldera might have been our guy. Uh or was it was assigned to that. It might have been Nolan. Uh but yeah, we we we put in the

[2:02:23] work. We put in the work. [snorts] Uh oh, right. What was I supposed to be talking about? Oh, yeah. Okay. Uh other exclusives over at lmg.gg/flowplane, we have LMG's favorite tech of the year featuring the one and only Mr. Riley

[2:02:37] Murdoch. But that's all you get to see if you don't want to subscribe over on Flipline. Our discussion question is, what was Lionus, Luke, and Dan's tech of the year? >> What was your tech of the year?

[2:02:51] >> I would love to say Big Screen Beyond 2 if I've tried it yet. >> You haven't tried it? No. >> I need to know if I'm going to get one or not. It's all hinging on you. >> I told you you could borrow it.

[2:03:04] >> Yeah, you should have just borrowed it. >> Also, I can't do that. It's your It's >> I already unboxed it. >> It can't come used. >> Yeah, it can. You You You paid for it. >> I unboxed it. I put it on my face. I

[2:03:17] >> I unboxed it. I put it on my face. I just never turned it on. [laughter] >> Those are cool, though. >> I was at Pax's booth.

[2:03:31] [clears throat] There's trade-offs. There's trade-offs. There's trade-offs. There's trade-offs. They don't have the custom fit gasket. Okay, >> they have a new one.

[2:03:45] >> Um, actually, [snorts] is that is that video up yet? There's a there's a short circuit. Short circuit. >> I'm not I'm not that worried about it. I'm happy that the space seems to be moving right now. It doesn't I I love

[2:03:58] >> Yeah. I purchased something that I was really excited about and that's okay. I'm not like if there's if the if the Steam frame is really cool, great. If the new Pimax is really cool, great. That's not a problem. I think it's

[2:04:10] great. I don't I don't want that space to die. Um, and competition is good. And about my purchase because something happened to me that delayed my ability >> So, are you just trying to show off how much more mature you are than the

[2:04:24] Like, I'm just I'm trying to figure out your motivation for giving this spiel. >> I think it's just like [laughter] I don't I don't love that. Like, >> Oh my god. I just >> um I don't love that uh Beyond, Big

[2:04:40] Screen Beyond has been put in this like position of like does everyone regret competitors? And it's like whatever, dude. They made a cool thing like >> the Pimax one is not as light. [snorts]

[2:04:52] we're looking at? >> No, it's the Dream or Air or something. >> Yeah, there it is. There it is. That's the one. Okay, so here it is. >> So, it doesn't have the custom gasket. It's not as light. Uh, but they do have

[2:05:07] It's not as light. Uh, but they do have a number of options for the um, wait, is a number of options for the um, wait, is this the SE? >> that is not the resolution that they told me. Okay, check the Dream Air, not

[2:05:20] >> Okay, cuz they told me a different on the SE. I It might just look really >> 3840 by 3552 for the nonse. >> Okay, good. Then the nonse is the one >> Okay, so should we check that out? The FOV seems way higher than the um I mean

[2:05:35] >> That's kind of their >> kind of like their thing. Yeah. >> kind of like their thing. Yeah. >> So, uh these are these are 4K per eye uh up to 90 Hz. Um >> do they come in clear though?

[2:05:48] like the uh >> the the the big screen beyond clear. >> the the the big screen beyond clear. >> Yeah, dude. It's so sick. It is so cool. >> It actually does. >> Oh, yeah. I think their I think their

[2:06:02] cable management is a little better. They did a cool cable that splits the display port and the other data and it actually plugs in on both sides so it doesn't and their rationale for it was that very lightweight headsets if

[2:06:16] more susceptible. >> For sure. That makes sense. translucent orange. >> It's both. So that's pretty cool. There's two versions of the Dream Air. one that uses Lighthouse tracking and

[2:06:31] one that uses SLAM, which is pretty cool. They can't be unlike Pimax's other ones that have like swappable modules and stuff. It's not modular. You can't like you can't just turn one of them into the other one. Uh but it it looks

[2:06:44] pretty good. It looks pretty darn good. Very impressive. Very impressive. Um, I am going to be take a total copout path here and I'm going to say Steam Frame.

[2:06:59] >> Okay. Yeah, that doesn't seem fair. >> Is that Is that a hack? >> cuz I'm so I'm so excited for that. >> That is sick. I think I think for this this year. >> It's for reasons that are so specific to

[2:07:11] me. Like I have that weird fanless cooled machine in my recck room that I use for VR and specifically the Big Screen Beyond 2's like breakout box like doesn't really work to to get into where the IO is in that case and their cables

[2:07:28] a little shorter than the Index. So like the cable management kind of sucks and I that cool machine up on a little pedestal where I want it without putting a hole in the side of my media console. So, it's just been like kind of janky

[2:07:41] switch to wireless is going to make it all look so much nicer. It's like so it. Although, I am going to have four holes in my ceiling now for where my base stations used to be and I will not need those anymore.

[2:07:56] >> Unnecessary. But hey, anyone looking for some base stations? [laughter] this year. You know what? Okay, fine. I'm going to go with something that is sucks so far. And I'm going to go with microRGB uh backlights.

[2:08:11] Mini, sorry, mini RGB. Mini, not micro, but but RGB backlighting. Uh that that new High Sense TV, the 116 in that we looked at earlier this year.

[2:08:24] Not there yet. Because you get when you have a dimming zone that isn't just a glow, when it's like a colored glow, >> not great whenever you spot it. And the and the motion response on it was not good. the pixel to pixel uh transition

[2:08:37] times are just too long. Uh but I can see where they're going with it and it's like really cool, really exciting. >> Yeah.

[2:08:51] >> I mean, that was the subject, >> so you can go back to topics now. >> No, it was a flip plane announcement talking about CES. >> Yeah. >> Whoa. My job is just to talk. So, like,

[2:09:05] and then second guessed yourself. Thanks, Dan. Wait, >> you don't have to. You're great. >> Something I want to throw out there account back. >> Oh,

[2:09:18] >> hooray. I I don't remember which day it was. I think it was like Tuesday or something. Um, I got a text message when I was still asleep because uh time zones and stuff, I guess. Never noticed it. And then got a quick call. probably one

[2:09:32] >> Okay. >> From a robot at Dbrand, which is how they will be referenced. Um, I didn't even know that this >> robot had my number, >> but they called me and I recognized the

[2:09:46] robot and was like, "Okay." I picked up the phone and they were like, "Hey, uh, I have a contact. Do you want me to solve it?" And I was like, "Yeah, that'd be sweet." They're like, "Cool. I'll loop you in. Bye." Click.

[2:09:59] loop you in. Bye." Click. Gone. something, I got an email from somebody being like, "Yeah, I can solve that.

[2:10:13] that thing real quick. I count back. >> Wow. >> Done. [laughter] >> That was crazy. Like that was pretty cool. Not going to lie. Raos on uh in float plane chat

[2:10:30] >> It's good to be the king." [laughter] >> That was pretty sick. >> Pixel Cat, now that's influential. >> That was uh that was pretty cool. [laughter] >> That should be on the Wikipedia page.

[2:10:44] Aided by a robot. >> Got his Reddit account back. [laughter] >> But yeah, thanks Dbrand. I uh I appreciate it. And thank you, robot. >> how much you want to bet that your Wikipedia page is already better?

[2:11:01] earlier in the show today. >> Oh, maybe it's never going to happen. >> I mean, I said that about myself. >> Wait, why can I I can't even find it anymore. >> Isn't you go into that Reddit thread and

[2:11:17] found it before. >> Okay, let's see. Let's see if it's together. >> Oh, come on.

[2:11:29] >> All right. >> Um, what else do we have here? they're they're specific like branding around it is robot though, so I'll be I'll be nice. But I I do like robot. >> This is cool. Um, co-founder of both CD

[2:11:42] Project Red and GOG has acquired GOG from CD Project Red. Reiterates philosophy of freedom, independence, and genuine control. It's cool that CD Project Red wanted to divest of this asset to focus on other things and

[2:11:55] didn't sell it to private equity. >> Yeah, I dove into this a decent amount. >> Wholesome and chill. >> I was like, where's the badness in this? And it never showed up.

[2:12:08] >> Isn't it cool when CD Project Red just like behaves all cool? perfectly right. >> Nope. >> No, they don't. I see. I think that's important. I think that that at this

[2:12:21] important. I think that that at this point it is just such a bad faith [ __ ] take to talk about, you know, how crappy Cyberpunk was at launch. Anyone who was upset about it got a refund and they made the game good and a

[2:12:35] again. >> What more can they do? >> I don't know why this made me think of it, but they will never solve Starfield.

[2:12:48] >> Oh, okay. I thought Sorry. I thought you do with CD Project?" Nothing. >> Your based gamer status is removed Wow. They're [laughter] different companies. You're done. Wait, you're a

[2:13:02] >> No. No, no, no. That he thought that they never >> It's just I'm thinking like of the great comebacks. It's like they they were it's fairly similar time, right? It was it was Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky. And I

[2:13:16] know a lot of people have looked at Starfield and been doing the meme of like, "Hey, do the thing." It's not going to happen. >> Okay. So, Binky Draws says the most they can do is not let that situation happen

[2:13:28] can do is not let that situation happen again. No. People, they were human and still be human >> and they will still make mistakes. >> and but they might be different humans. >> But it might and it might be different

[2:13:41] different. >> We're talking about a corporate entity. >> I can more or less guarantee that people have been hired, people have been fired, and people have quit in that period of time. I mean, it's a gaming studio. So,

[2:13:55] >> Have they done that? >> No, I don't think so. I don't know if uh >> Infinite money. >> This isn't Microsoft, Dan. >> What are you talking You could just say any other [laughter] company ever.

[2:14:09] >> I think that's something that that in our in our fandom and in our passion our in our fandom and in our passion sometimes even we we we get I I don't know we we get just sort of emotional about sometimes and we go well like well

[2:14:22] like doing better should mean being perfect going forward and that's not going to happen. That's never going to happen for me. I promise you that it's Group or Creator Warehouse. We had a thing show up on the subreddit earlier

[2:14:37] this week where someone ordered I think it was an extra-L large hoodie and they got a small and then they contacted customer service and we offered to send again. And they [laughter] contacted customer service for a third time and

[2:14:53] asked for a new hoodie and we sent them a small a [laughter] third time. a small a [laughter] third time. That sucks.

[2:15:05] [laughter] >> We need to like hand deliver them the right size or something. That's brutal. >> There's no there's no malice, [laughter] you know. But sometimes sometimes communication errors happen. Sometimes

[2:15:22] somebody didn't get their coffee when they pick an order and it was the same person who skipped their coffee like a week later. Sometimes sometimes an week later. Sometimes sometimes an entire batch gets mislabeled and you I I

[2:15:35] I legitimately don't know what happened with that yet. We will find out. Fortunately, it was a US customer within the US and so like we can get it back to the DC maybe and find out if it was a mislabeling on the packaging or a

[2:15:48] mispick. Like things happen. I mean, um it's not good. everyone just, you know, bought a game that was perfect out of the box or

[2:16:03] bought a product and got the right thing in the mail on at the third time at least. But like, [laughter] you know, I think what's more important is that you move forward in good faith.

[2:16:17] You try to fix things. And I I think that's like that's such a that's like my That's the thing that I'm kind of clinging to is the concept of good faith engagement. As long as someone is engaging in good

[2:16:33] As long as someone is engaging in good faith, which means with a genuine shared interest in reaching a mutually acceptable solution, right? They sometimes you have people who don't actually want to resolve the problem.

[2:16:47] >> Yeah. >> They just want to be angry, you know? Master Wayne, >> how's uh how's triple small shirt guy haven't checked back in, but [laughter] what they said was at this point I think

[2:17:01] >> Totally fair. >> Totally totally fair. shirt, [laughter] >> but if we can't, then we'll settle for >> We should fix it by sending them the correct size and also a small in the

[2:17:16] correct size and also a small in the same box. Stop. [laughter] what are you guys talking about in the chat? Dan says we should hand deliver

[2:17:28] [laughter] a small the fourth time. >> No, dead stock. >> Oh my god. Did Adam actually did he did >> If someone would let me, I would hand deliver it. Lol. Yeah. No, Adam, that's

[2:17:44] work. That would be really funny, too. Take the XL label off an XL and put a shirt. >> Hand deliver it. Here's your Here's your weight. >> Above and beyond.

[2:17:58] >> It's a bunch of sizes up. >> Oh, no. smalls if you try to send the correct size and a small. That's funny. size and a small. That's funny. >> No. [snorts] No. [laughter]

[2:18:11] all right. What else we got here? >> Uh, CES of wacky stuff. >> Oh, yeah. We could do that. >> CS 2026. They put AI in all sorts of

[2:18:25] wacky stuff. >> Okay. And so, we're supposed to rate out >> Okay. >> How appropriate we think the AI is. >> Okay. >> Why don't we start with the AI barista

[2:18:39] from Bosch. >> Okay. >> Okay. Bosch debuts Alexa Plus for coffee. Are you laughing, Dan? This is serious. This is serious coffee [ __ ] here. Dan

[2:18:55] This is serious coffee [ __ ] here. Dan Besser, >> I mean coffee does that to you, but yeah. Bosch's new Jesus [laughter]

[2:19:13] >> stick that right on the front. >> Bosch's new AI powered personal AI barista for its 800 series espresso machines built on Amazon's Alexa Plus

[2:19:25] brings conversational control to coffee brewing. But [clears throat] apparently the AI struggled a bit with simple tasks its predecessor handled with ease. >> All right, out of five, with five being the most appropriate. I don't drink

[2:19:41] coffee, but I think I'd give this like a two because I feel like it's just going to select from like I don't know six different options that it can do. And it looked like there was a screen on it so you could just poke the thing. And I

[2:19:54] feel like people have this whole thing of like don't talk to me before I've had my coffee and now they made a No, it's a one. People have a thing that says don't now they're making you talk to your coffee machine. I think it's a one. I'm

[2:20:07] >> Yep. I I >> the whole saying is don't talk to me they're like hey you actually have to talk to things before you've had your >> I don't disagree with you. I'm just worried that you're painting yourself

[2:20:19] >> because there could be something else worse. It's a two. All right. It's a >> I'm going with one. [laughter] >> I think I think it's a two because it

[2:20:31] looked like you could kind of override it. I think it's a one because of how it. I think it's a one because of how much how little I would need to change. >> What's the bottom of the scale? >> But how one to five?

[2:20:44] >> Yeah. How little how little I would need to alter what my like morning coffee experience would be. So, I'm comparing this to how much better it would be to just have a preset.

[2:20:57] >> no, that's what I'm saying. Just press the button. You saw me using the super automatic that we have in the writing lounge or the writing department area. >> You just push a button. >> Yeah. But like there are different like

[2:21:10] versions of coffee it can make. I assume I was looking at a super automatic. You I'm in the market. Um there some of them can do 30 40 types of of coffee. >> And most of them just do espresso plus some form of milk which is basically all

[2:21:26] >> Like if it could do >> it does. It does that. But you don't have to talk to it. >> What is it? Little art thing they put on >> They're not going to be able to do that. >> Yeah, they won't be able to do that.

[2:21:38] for that anyway. >> Okay. So, it's a one then. machine. >> You know what? I'm going with two. >> I'm sticking with one then. >> I'm just I'm just

[2:21:51] it's dumb. >> I was messing with you. I also think it's a one. All right, let's move on. Do you want to bring them up and then I'll >> Uh, sure. Yeah. >> Samsung showcased

[2:22:05] AI [snorts] OLED concepts. >> What? >> Why? like a cassette player and a turntable where the cassette uses AI to provide interactive display features and music recommendations and the turntable

[2:22:22] integrates AIdriven visuals on its circular OLED display. circular OLED display. >> This one >> I'm going to go with two >> one. I think this is a solid two because

[2:22:40] unlike the coffee maker where it serves absolutely no purpose that anyone has >> They're actually attempting to do something >> is kind of it kind of reminds me of like a laser rock show but way dumber.

[2:22:56] >> So that makes it that makes it not quite a one. next one? >> Yeah, sure. I'm trying to figure out what this thing even is. Go. The Goi

[2:23:09] nugget ice maker. >> That's a big >> That is a very um That is a very Hey, English isn't my first language word to use to describe anything to do with food. Nobody wants other than chicken

[2:23:22] nuggets. Nobody wants a nugget of anything anywhere near any food. >> So, the the SmartNugget Icemaker Pro, >> So, the the SmartNugget Icemaker Pro, introduced at CES 2026, uses AI Noise

[2:23:34] introduced at CES 2026, uses AI Noise Guard trained to detect freeze-ups and automatically defrost so the machine runs more quietly and efficiently.

[2:23:48] >> Oh my god. >> I think [clears throat] I think >> I think [clears throat] I think this is a four for me. Imagine

[2:24:02] have sold if they had an AI to detect when their ice cream machine isn't working. Imagine it. Now, imagine that probably that wouldn't work anyway because that wasn't really the issue.

[2:24:14] The thing for me is like if this is if this is just modern branding stuff and it's really just, you know, there's a little bit of machine learning in there. All right. It might be cool. I think if they're like trying to slap LLMs in this

[2:24:29] thing, it's stupid. But I think I think it might actually just be, okay, we need the stupid trendy words, but there's actually just like a little bit of machine learning in here, which is like pretty all right. But if you if if you

[2:24:42] maker. >> No, I don't think there's anything. >> So, like I think this might actually just be a branding thing because like their actual name for it is the Goi Life Smart Nugget Icemaker Pro.

[2:24:57] >> They didn't throw AI in the name. >> They did put smart in there, although admittedly that's more IoT era. >> I'll take I'll take smart right now over around. It's like Windows 8.1. [laughter]

[2:25:12] >> Yeah. >> In retrospect. things exist, >> Jar Jar Binks, you know what? Not that >> Maybe he was okay. [laughter] >> All right. Next up,

[2:25:27] >> All right. Next up, GE's new smart refrigerator with kitchen assistant combines a built-in barcode scanner that automatically adds groceries to a digital list with an AI powered camera system for tracking

[2:25:41] contents and reducing food waste alongside voice and touch controls to help manage shopping, meal planning, and inventory.

[2:26:00] kind of stuff. >> If I'm purely if I completely ignore all of those very valid, very large concerns, it's probably like a five. >> Okay. >> Because I would want something that does

[2:26:16] >> Because I would want something that does all of that stuff, but this one won't. >> Yeah. Okay. I mean, that's fair. I'm I So, I was going on the assumption that all of the insane privacy concerns are not a thing. And I was going on the

[2:26:28] >> not okay. >> There's no way. Yeah. There's no way. If I had a fridge that legitimately was like, "Hey, here's everything that's in here. You could make this." >> If it was doing all of this locally,

[2:26:43] >> I don't even care >> if it was doing all this. >> Why? You could just list those things out. >> Give it to Grock. If it wants to make porn of my celery stocks, then let it do

[2:26:55] it. >> If I never had to pay the problem, >> Okay. There's like big problems with this. It can detect illnesses and sell issues. >> I would be over it if it simplified meal

[2:27:08] planning. That's my line. Meal [snorts] planning sucks. It's like my least favorite thing in my entire life. You can already use >> But I won't because it's not built into my fridge.

[2:27:22] >> That's dumb. >> If this actually worked, if this actually worked and I just it would just like crap out like a a thing that I could make and just give me instructions and I made it and it was delicious and

[2:27:35] >> You know what? You know, you know how you you've talked about how you you >> Yeah, I don't. You should almost have like someone come in and just look at what you've got and make you recipes and then have them leave. [laughter]

[2:27:50] >> What? That would be that would be that would be the most unhinged thing ever. >> What are you guys even talking about? That's not Vance's job. He's an assistant. >> They are not the same thing.

[2:28:02] >> Are you not an executive? >> If you if you had then this be a thing. >> Oh my god. Um, anyway, >> yeah, it's not going to uh I mean, it honestly might be able to suggest recipes.

[2:28:17] >> I don't think so, cuz it would have to have it would it would have to properly track age of the It would have to properly track what's in it. >> the age and date stuff, >> the consumption of it.

[2:28:30] >> Yeah. >> Or beans? >> Yeah. So, >> if it could do its claim and it wasn't obviously obviously making a decent amount of money selling all of your

[2:28:43] >> Yeah. >> But it is making a bunch of money selling all of your data which is like a hard stop for a lot of people and mostly for Dan's reason to be completely honest. It's not going to work anyways.

[2:28:57] >> So I'm averaging my scores. >> The theory. Okay. >> Okay. Sure. Then yeah, it's I think it's like a two. All right. All right. Next

[2:29:09] up, Lero's AMI desktop AI companion AMI desktop AI companion uses an 8 in curved OLED screen and an integrated AI. I need to be that big >> to display

[2:29:24] >> to display a 3D character that tracks your eyes, senses gestures and expressions, interacts contextually to offer an empathetic presence on your desk, and is marketed, and I kid you not, is marketed

[2:29:40] marketed, and I kid you not, is marketed as an AI soulmate.

[2:29:56] [snorts] Can we like break the scale? I don't know. It makes me so sad, man. It's so dark. It's so dark for humanity.

[2:30:11] My god. >> I'm a two. And the reason the reason I am averaging I am averaging the usefulness of AI in in this product

[2:30:23] think that >> yeah did it need to be like >> an interactive desk soulmate probably would need some kind of LLM integration would need some kind of LLM integration to be even remotely interactive with the

[2:30:37] product should exist and anyone should use it. I ended up at a two. >> Got it. Well, one and a half, which I rounded to two, >> following rounding rules. It is worth pointing out, by the way, that Razer,

[2:30:50] show doesn't mean we aren't also going to bring up your cringe desktop AI >> Oh, I was talking to Mark about those before the show. >> He suggested that we get them for the editors instead of putting in the sad

[2:31:03] lights. >> Razer's making an a like, yeah, >> Razer, can you send 15 of them? >> People will buy that. The marketing is slightly less cringe, but the fact that it's a Wi-Fi is slightly more cringe.

[2:31:17] it's a Wi-Fi is slightly more cringe. >> So, and apparently one thing that's cool is you will apparently be able to use whichever LLM you want. right now the one that it works with is Grock, which has had some problems

[2:31:32] Grock, which has had some problems lately. Um, to put it mildly, >> uh, it might not be problematic for the people that are buying this.

[2:31:48] >> put it away, D. >> Oh my god, Luke. anymore. >> Wow.

[2:32:01] >> I'm doing it. I'm doing it. >> Okay, moving on. [laughter] I want to bring up the Glide. >> Yeah, it's up. Glide has unveiled a smart hair clipper with an integrated AI

[2:32:16] stylist that uses your smartphone camera and app to map your head, coach you step by step, and adjust both blade length and motion in real time to guide haircuts and prevent mistakes.

[2:32:38] >> Yeah. All those not extremely highly paid barbers. We definitely need to disrupt them. That's that's very valiant of you. them. That's that's very valiant of you. Good job. Um I I think it does

[2:32:52] definitely Okay. If we go with the assuming it works angle, you're selling the data on your skull, I guess, which is really weird, but probably doesn't >> Um if we go with the angle that it works, I think it has quite a bit of

[2:33:05] utility. Um, is it going to work? Would the errors >> Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah, >> so. There's a funny factor. >> I think that I'm going to go with a one.

[2:33:22] >> Why is that? >> Because the AI, in the case of the fridge, there's a real value to the AI being built into the fridge with this. >> Yeah. It really does not need to be in the clippers. does not need to be in the

[2:33:37] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it should really be in your >> Yeah. >> The Clipper is like actually too close to interact with in any meaningful way to provide any kind of instruction.

[2:33:50] >> If it was just like a you know, you buy the app and you put a phone mount on your mirror and you put your phone there and then it like guides you, that would probably be fine. Adam from uh from CW [clears throat]

[2:34:03] says in float plane chat, "I would like to ban Silicon Valley bros from saying >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It like kind of was fine. And then now that, it's like I don't know, leave it alone.

[2:34:16] alone. >> All right. Next up, multiple AI smart toilets. Samsung's Oh. Uh these are devices that Samsung's Oh. Uh these are devices that use hem cameras,

[2:34:31] mean? >> Acoustic sensors. >> There will be pictures of my What was that? It's a since Hold on. Let me get Let me Let me get there. Let me get there. Okay. Okay.

[2:34:46] get there. Let me get there. Okay. Okay. These devices will use cameras, optical acoustic sensors. >> ACOUSTIC SENSORS. [laughter] I was waiting for them to hear that. >> They want to hear my farts, dude. I want

[2:34:58] I want a database of my farts now. >> And machine learning to analyze urine >> And machine learning to analyze urine and stool samples uh or stool patterns. >> Detect health related changes and provide insights or alerts via companion

[2:35:11] >> They should have the poop Olympics. You know how divers have that whole thing about how they're supposed to make a very small splash? [laughter]

[2:35:24] >> IT'S A FIVE. >> It's a five for sure. the poop Olympics. It is totally worth it. Sell pictures of your butt. >> Not even sell it. Give pictures of your butt away to toilet companies. We need

[2:35:38] >> There needs to be like social media. There needs to be like leaderboards. >> Yeah. Fart book from Letter Kenny. This one, the fridge

[2:35:50] >> because with the fridge, I don't think that for me personally, I don't think my eating habits that would tell you much about my predispositions. Um, I >> Oh, it totally would, by the way. >> It would tell us some stuff.

[2:36:05] >> It would talk about when you're in various emotional states and blah blah super a thing >> for most people maybe, but I make fun of you a lot for eating nothing but like chicken breast. I am a very predictable

[2:36:21] >> If you're having a rough day, would you have extra cereal? >> I I'm ser I'm actually serious right now. >> I've seen you binge on some pickles. >> Sure, but like then I will go a year

[2:36:34] has nothing to do with my emotional state. Like I just >> I I I promise you that. And I know that everyone would say this about >> but for a huge amount of people which is

[2:36:47] I think more what we're judging this >> and that's fair. No, no, [clears throat] >> So this is for the self. >> I'm saying for you're right in general, but for me personally, the fridge thing is way less of a concern for me because

[2:37:00] about >> this fridge is for your family. >> This is true. But by the time any of this works, my kids will be moved out. No. Oh. Uh, what if what if they're having um cranberry juice? What if one

[2:37:16] juice? >> Well, like I by the time my daughter is drinking from my fridge, like by the time these AI fridges work, my cranberry juice out of her own fridge. There's no way it's happening in the

[2:37:29] next like [snorts] 5 to 10 years. No. No shot. >> You think so? >> I think that's bold. You think it you >> for literally just that scenario that I described of [snorts]

[2:37:45] >> person of certain gender consuming certain thing advertising >> I just don't think like soon >> you think so you think cranberry juice

[2:37:58] >> yeah it's like to to indicate that you have a urinary tract infection probably um unless you normally happen to drink cranberry juice. Um, >> and for men too, by the way, um, cranberry juice,

[2:38:12] >> But like it's also associated with certain things, >> but also it's good for UTI. Um, yeah, you're making me come around on a little bit. However, however, I do stand

[2:38:26] little bit. However, however, I do stand behind that the the poop is going to have [laughter] information about your diet and also the >> The poop one is very egregious. Yeah, we've talked about this on wh before

[2:38:39] >> Totally. >> The fridge bothers me still a lot less. >> The fridge bothers me still a lot less. >> Yeah. So, so this one um however, >> Yeah. So, so this one um however, however, however, this one still ends up

[2:38:53] being a three for me because the necessity of it actually being included in the toilet for it to function to me is very high. However, how much I wanted in my life is a one

[2:39:09] because I this one Yeah, this one I'm like deeply concerned that if you you take like one poop that has blood in it or something and you're somewhere where there's poor legislation governing this

[2:39:24] and your insurance company can like before you even know there's a problem >> if it can if it can tell you are super sick and you open the Uber app. >> Going to charge you more for a car. >> Yep. Yep. [snorts]

[2:39:44] Last one. Last one and then we're and then we're over this. Okay. Samsung has a whole lineup of AI kitchen appliances, including a fridge and a wine celler. So, for the Veno Files, which apparently the more correct term

[2:39:58] is actually files, oenopiles, whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is, Samsung has got the bespoke AI wine seller, which uses AI vision with built-in cameras to recognize wine labels, track each

[2:40:12] recognize wine labels, track each bottle's location, and update a Smart Things AI wine manager. The notes say, "Sheesh, I just wanted to The notes say, "Sheesh, I just wanted to get a little drunk." [laughter]

[2:40:29] or a four. >> If it doesn't work now, this one will work a lot faster than the like general fridge one we've been talking about. >> Um cuz it's like way more specified >> and yeah, if it knows its own layout and

[2:40:42] everything you're putting into it is a particular shape. This seems like it could it could pretty much be like Amazon just walk out like ghost store technology but like way way way easier. Speaking of which, there is a further

[2:40:56] Amazon Go store. >> Oh yes. Yeah. >> I feel dumb. I should have noticed this. >> Yeah, just walk out is totally still a differently. So when I said cancelled, I just meant that like particular

[2:41:10] >> Oh, I meant the other thing. >> Oh, which other thing? well transition into that. >> We're done that. >> Uh the the viral Reddit post about food delivery apps was just AI slop.

[2:41:22] >> Yeah, I'm annoyed with myself. >> I should have noticed this. Uh we we talked about a and I usually pride myself on noticing these things decently well and this was uh I'm I'm upset with myself. Uh we talked about a viral

[2:41:34] Reddit post last week on Wow. The post claimed to be from a developer for a major food delivery app claiming that priority fees and driver benefit fees go 100% to the company. uh the driver seeing none of it. Turns out even though

[2:41:47] this post got almost 90,000 updes uh 4.8,000 comments and even 1,000 pieces of Reddit gold, it was AI generated. When a reporter had reached out for information, the original Reddit poster sent back more information, including

[2:42:01] their photo ID and documents, but those were AI generated. When questioned about it, the Reddit user blocked and eventually deleted their accounts. um they used for they the the Reddit user blocked that person and then eventually

[2:42:14] deleted their own accounts that they use for communication. Um rough. There was a lot of signs that this was kind of BS. Uh I think it had nuggets of truth that I wanted to be true so I fell for it which is

[2:42:29] >> exactly how this whole thing >> so you know. >> Yeah. I feel dumb too. >> Constant vigilance. I slipped up. need just the world we're going to live in now.

[2:42:41] >> And we're gonna slip up again and we're going to do our best to put put better safeguards in place so that we don't >> we will correct when we can >> and we'll we're just going to we're just going to have to power through it, boys,

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[2:44:37] >> Yeah, it does. >> Oh, do we have all the dates set for those. >> Let me go. Well, [laughter] >> Okay. >> Button and it shows these.

[2:44:51] >> all the way through 2026. >> Okay. Oh, it says they're tentative. >> Oh, I didn't read that line. >> Cool. Well, I'm glad I'm glad someone >> Cool. Well, I'm glad I'm glad someone did. [laughter]

[2:45:12] confidently filed for an initial public offering or IPO. >> Confidently. >> Nice. >> Nice. [laughter]

[2:45:29] >> No, normally I I don't correct. >> Ah, yeah. Okay. I mean, you know, if we're just wrong, it's probably not a terrible idea. I fixed it for you and terrible idea. I fixed it for you and now it's truth. [laughter]

[2:45:42] [laughter] >> never wrong. >> That is a good Yeah, I like that line. That will be how I manage from from here >> Okay. Uh, >> you can do no error.

[2:45:54] >> Uh-huh. If I do, it's like uh Kim Jong-un. If I do something wrong, it's >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I like that. It's a good good strat rocket science. >> We're all about dictators here in the

[2:46:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, can you think of an example of a company that's anything, Dan? >> What? >> What? >> He said we're all about dictators.

[2:46:18] >> Oh. >> [snorts] >> Sorry. [laughter] that serves a niche or loyal fan base, then became publicly traded, and

[2:46:32] actually had its regular customers benefit as a result? out with this. >> Yeah, for sure. Going to need help with >> Okay. That serves that serves a niche or loyal fan base.

[2:46:46] >> Okay. Okay. Then became publicly traded and its regular customers benefited. and its regular customers benefited. Cphilus says Amazon. No, you got to long term. It's got to be long term, buddy. Uh-uh. Dude, Amazon is

[2:47:04] so inifified now. >> Yeah, I don't think we're going to come up with anything. The next discussion question is, what do uh >> should we do? Should we do a dictator's shirt? And it's just like a potato in

[2:47:18] stash. Would that be on brand for us? >> How do you get across that it's potato? >> Yeah, it could look like a potato. >> Root growth or whatever. we don't. Okay. Anyway, sorry. Um would do well as a sticker or an enamel pin

[2:47:34] do well as a sticker or an enamel pin though. [laughter] >> Look at Noki in both like that. >> Stop him. [laughter] He was so fast.

[2:47:47] Sorry you guys had to No, just I I dot dot dot and then chat help. [laughter]

[2:47:59] timestamps now. [laughter] Noki has to type penis potato have it. There's no way to avoid it because that's what we're talking about. >> that is that is that is true. [laughter]

[2:48:14] Would it would it be flaccid? >> Look, the answer is >> The answer is >> The answer is that I don't >> I don't have to do it. I choose to do it to you. [laughter]

[2:48:35] >> That's also funny. >> I did not know that. I don't think I could imagine Riley telling off anyone. Come on. Does the just to keep the topic its own section. Does the Does the penis

[2:48:48] >> veiny? >> Oh, have like a bit of a thing going on. >> Yeah, I could I could >> Not peeled. I think >> not. Yeah, not peeled for sure.

[2:49:01] >> So, like European potatoes, >> but like should it have like a hole in the end or like could it have a couple turnipss at the bottom? >> There's potato eyes. Oh, interesting. So it's like a cornucopia that makes uh

[2:49:15] >> Yeah. >> potato schlong. [laughter] >> okay. Um

[2:49:29] section of the show. >> What do you expect shareholders desired changes for Discord might be? More money >> or just more users? >> Yeah. >> All right. All right, we kind of talked

[2:49:41] like Panther Lake. That was one of our topics. [snorts] Um, we haven't really topics. [snorts] Um, we haven't really talked about CES much or AMD much from they were up to? >> Nope.

[2:49:54] >> Nope. >> Yeah. So, the rumored 9950 X3D2 >> Um, yeah. So, instead [snorts] we get a 9850 X3D, which is a quad core but 400 >> Um, >> cool. And if you compare to like what

[2:50:09] >> cool. And if you compare to like what 9800 X3Ds could do with like PBO, it's >> Yeah. >> Um no, no pricing, which is ominous. >> Uh there's one thing I'm pretty excited about. Stricks Halo got some new SKs. So

[2:50:24] that chip that no one can >> get that no one can get supply of and >> Yeah. um now has SKS that have fewer CPU cores >> Okay, >> so for the like dozen people who want

[2:50:42] that of which I happen to be one of them, that's pretty cool cuz I've really enjoyed I I'm I'm I'm like deep into Clare Obscure now on my GPD Win 5 and 12 times the last two shows. >> It's such an outstanding gaming

[2:50:59] experience. It's like a 4060 mobile but like in a handheld form factor. It's >> It's really cool. >> Yeah, it's super cool. Um

[2:51:13] >> Oh, right. Yeah, I was going to talk about DLCS 4 and a half. Okay. So, this was like the first time that I can remember that Nvidia has undersold something. Hm. >> When they So, when we were talking,

[2:51:28] literally everything since the 1000 series launch in my view. >> Really? 30 3000 series was pretty sick. >> You don't think it was They fibbed some

[2:51:40] >> 30,000. I think the one thing that you could go after them for 3000 series was that 8K gaming on the 3090. While technically true, we've we tried it. It worked. it

[2:51:54] was like unnecessary. And I don't think that's a fib so much as a misread of the that's a fib so much as a misread of the direction the market was going. Um like there was a lot of games that you could game at 8K on a 3090. Um 300 series is

[2:52:08] >> All right. All right. Fair enough. >> Chad, if you guys if you like I'm I'm President Richard Tater over here. >> Maybe I'm [laughter] Maybe I'm uh time. >> Well, right, but that was

[2:52:21] >> MSRP stuff. That was partially Nvidia's, you know, participation, but also a every one of them >> at launch. It was >> So, >> so, okay,

[2:52:35] >> So, DLSS 4.5. So, when we're doing the pre-brief, they're walking us through it and they're basically like, yeah, so, uh, we think this is as big a leap forward as DLSS 4.0 was in terms of image quality compared to what came

[2:52:48] image quality compared to what came before. And um it's trained on like five times the the data it's or five times the compute for something what you know whatever metric they're using. Um, and it is like in manya cases closer to

[2:53:04] ground truth than what we call native rendering these days, which is actually not compared to the like many many many many many samples that they're taking for their for their reference images that they're using for comparison to to

[2:53:20] benchmark the um the image quality of their model. And um like our first question was okay if I'm to believe any of this that you're saying then why did

[2:53:32] >> with the second gen transformer model? >> it's a second generation of the transformer model. We're not actually adding anything new. We have more multiframe gen but it's just more

[2:53:46] gen. So >> that's actually quite logical. >> We arbitrarily picked 4.5. >> Sure. Um, and that kind of got me going, going to be as big of an improvement as they claim that it is because there's no

[2:54:02] way that Nvidia would have missed an opportunity to market something as the best thing ever. You need more green in your life. Like, there's no way. So, I

[2:54:14] my intro and I'm kind of, you know, dunking on AI a little bit. But we have stupid AI cartoon Jensen holding a bubble wand and like we're kind of, you know, we're kind of teasing them a little bit and then I I get in front of

[2:54:28] the system and I'm like, "Holy shit." Um, like this looks really good. And I I saw I saw a fair bit of criticism on the video that I didn't move the character in Blackmith Wukong. Um, that was only

[2:54:43] because they had the character in like exactly the same spot on both systems and I told them I wouldn't. I I I could pen the camera. Like I could move the scene. And then the other one where they they didn't just not want me to mess up

[2:54:55] I wanted with it. That that wasn't Nvidia hiding anything. Um what's up? >> Sorry. The top comment on this video. Um the the this Nvidia video that you did,

[2:55:07] the top comment, how long before fake frames become real frames and Nvidia has frames? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> I just I don't know. just reading that and then can't wait for 5090 performance

[2:55:20] >> They hit pretty hard. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um [snorts and clears throat] anyway, I got in front of it and I'm switching set up for their demo so that you could switch between old DLSS and new DLSS.

[2:55:34] You could just have a hotkey to toggle the models. It's like

[2:55:46] general sharpness and clarity is so much better. And when they told me in the with HDR, I was like, "What are you even talking about? That doesn't even make any sense to me." Um, but then once I saw it in action, I was like, "Oh,

[2:56:03] saw it in action, I was like, "Oh, okay." So, it doesn't it doesn't make your monitor brighter obviously, but it does a better brighter obviously, but it does a better job of detecting glowing objects and

[2:56:15] particle effects and things in motion that are supposed to be bright. So, brighter, but it does make the HDR effect more impactful. It is a market

[2:56:28] difference in image quality to the point where [snorts] I was looking at it going for the first time. I would just turn this on. Nob brainer in any game that it looks this good in. And uh like multiframe gen

[2:56:45] obviously latency is still going to be a thing, right? But Nvidia actually to thing, right? But Nvidia actually to again to their credit mind blown had their demo set up um for shoot what's

[2:56:58] that what's that game called the um like the space exploration the sequel uh help me what game what game was that >> space exploration sequel >> thing yeah oh worlds 2 thank you >> um so on outer worlds 2 their frame

[2:57:14] gener demo was running on I think it was like 5060 Ti I or something like that. Like they they they didn't just show the top end >> The top end card. They weren't showing here's a card that doesn't even need 6x

[2:57:29] frame gen jenning 6x frames and getting 700 fps or whatever that they could have done that demo but they chose instead to do outer worlds 2 which was using up to 6x frame gen and delivering yes high latency because it's generating more

[2:57:45] frames than it's actually rendering [snorts] but a very smooth animation understand what the point of the demo was. The point of the demo wasn't this wouldn't I would turn down the details. >> Even the Nvidia people and you know I

[2:58:00] trash on their communication sometimes, but even the Nvidia people very openly >> they wouldn't always even run it on at all and when they do they would run it offer you those things. I do respect that.

[2:58:12] how I would run this game with 50 plus milliseconds of latency. The point of that demo was how good do these generated frames look and they look shockingly good for how many of them are fake frames are generated frames. Um

[2:58:30] I am Dark Guy 2 says pretty sure Jensen and other top people just don't care about gaming anymore and leave it to the lower heard about Jensen is he's like sort of a sort of a micromanager

[2:58:44] I don't know how true that remains. He's been doing a lot of more like PR like lately, like interviews and things like that. So, I don't know. I've met the guy, but I don't like know him. So, >> it's hard for me to speculate on that.

[2:58:59] >> Anyway, um yeah, DLSS 4.5, the new model, and and have to take my word for it. you can just you can just go and uh if you go in

[2:59:11] the GeForce app if you have an Nvidia card um fairly recent gen the older it from my understanding but you go into the option to opt into beta and experimental features and then you just

[2:59:25] wait as far as I can tell they might have a check for updates now button I set this up at a booth and I was in a hurry but I couldn't immediately find it but I just waited a while and eventually it prompted me to restart the Nvidia

[2:59:38] drivers and then you select uh model L or Model M depending on your use case one is best. And I just I turned it on uh in the MSI booth in Borderlands 4 and it was just like wow this is really good

[2:59:53] Outerorlds 2, I've seen it in Black New Fuku Kong and I've seen it in Fuku Kong and I've seen it in Borderlands 2 and it just looks really Borderlands 2 and it just looks really really good. I um for the first time I'm

[3:00:05] like okay well this is just the future then. >> It's it's interesting to me because like you know I don't I don't love the I can love the like ah developers just suck and need to do better argument.

[3:00:21] and need to do better argument. >> Such a that is such a just lazy >> yes but >> nonsense argument. You look at Arc Raiders and Embark and you look at 1080s running that game north of 60 fps.

[3:00:34] >> And it's like, man. >> Well, it comes down to what you're trying to do. Some games are about lighting and sure that >> this looks great.

[3:00:48] look great >> and it's not the best looking game. >> Yeah. And interesting it's such an interesting crossroads. Uh because on the

[3:01:02] input latency. >> No, I would I wouldn't use any of this >> but then why not? >> It is super interesting. >> Actually, upscaling maybe. That's a longer conversation, but frame

[3:01:15] >> And there's always been different settings depending on if the game is competitive or single player, whatever. But this is like a very deep divergence in like how your computer is going to feel depending on how you set things up

[3:01:30] in my opinion. >> Well, I mean again that's uh that's [snorts] where GeForce app comes in where it's supposed you just click a settings. >> There was a crazy thread where uh a

[3:01:43] was having some performance issues and we were trying to figure out what the heck was going on cuz it was like it was weird. He had like 25% GPU utilization >> Okay. >> Like just odd. Um

[3:01:56] >> Like just odd. Um >> Oh boy, here we go. >> Googled it, brought him to a Reddit thread. The top voted comment was click optimize in the Nvidia app. Top voted comment. Not not like

[3:02:11] everybody was just like, "Yeah, duh. Do that." Not not a debate really. Just click the optimizer. No like, you know, conversation or anything. Just like what it could be, what it couldn't be, what you might prefer versus what you might

[3:02:25] >> Nope. Just click the optimize button. >> And did it work? >> And did it work? >> Yeah. >> Crazy. >> Deromer and float plane chat goes uh

[3:02:37] DLSS will become like the lossless/compressed debate in audio the previous time too. I saw this earlier in flip plane chat and honestly could maybe see that especially if they figure out the the latency thing. I'm

[3:02:52] >> that's tough. >> Theoretically reflex 2 is the solution. >> We'll solve it or reduce it >> projection. Yeah, solve it like be >> projection. Yeah, solve it like be better than native like uh it's already

[3:03:05] used in VR. Um, >> and they've they're clearly want to familiarize yourself with the with the uh with the idea behind it

[3:03:19] here, we did we actually did a video on this a number of years ago now. I think uh Linus reprojection thought of this here. Hold on. It's called I'm embarrassed I didn't think of this asynchronous reprojection. Uh, it's

[3:03:33] super cool tech and um the original source is actually Oh, what was uh what was buddy? Yeah. Yeah, here we go. So, there's comrade Stinger's original video around with it. And then two clicks Phillip did a video about async

[3:03:48] Phillip did a video about async reprojection as well. Um, oh, hello. Hold on a second. YouTube. Oh, well, that's interesting. Um, my browser tab just like stopped working. Anyway, the point is what it

[3:04:03] >> couldn't you still be shooting at a phantom? >> You could, but there's already latency between you and your opponent anyway. We just compensate for it in the same way.

[3:04:19] We compensate as much as we can. So, what async reprojection does is it decouples your inputs from the game's frame rate. So, it moves

[3:04:31] opponents and other objects based on the updated data, but your interaction with updated data, but your interaction with the engine is completely decoupled and

[3:04:43] buttery smooth. Um, so theoretically there should be no downside as long as, >> wait for it, as long as you're still running at like a reasonable frame rate, but it will feel so much betterer.

[3:04:59] lag, but I still feel like you might have issues with the whole shooting at >> I don't know if this solves competitive gameplay. just not very familiar with this. Oh, there will still be there will still be

[3:05:12] there will still be there will still be disadvantages to having a low Hold on. I'm actually just trying to think. No, no, hold on a second. Because

[3:05:24] like a pinsized head on a on a hill away far away from you, then yeah, they could But if you're in like a like a close quarter shotgun fight or something, um I I think you could be not shooting at phantoms. Uh there will I think there

[3:05:41] will always asterisk like functionally always be purists and very very high performance like esports athletes who will just simply need a a 9090 TI titan

[3:05:56] even necessarily for myself. Like is this going to make a difference for me? Realistically no. But like is is Shroud going to turn this on? insert other name? I don't know. Whatever. But like,

[3:06:09] >> So, here here we go. Okay, I've got my I've got my stuff fixed. So, with just a few clicks, asynchronous reprojection demo takes 30 fps and makes it feel like 240 fps. And it's

[3:06:25] and makes it feel like 240 fps. And it's kind of hard to tell. Um, but man, we kind of hard to tell. Um, but man, we have often done a pretty bad job. There we go. So, this is what's happening. It's taking each one frame that you get

[3:06:39] and it is decoupling your inputs from those updates. >> No, I Yeah, I get that. >> So, in So, at 30 fps, it's um what what >> So, in So, at 30 fps, it's um what what is that? 33 milliseconds. At 60 fps,

[3:06:53] that's 16 milliseconds. That is freaking not a lot of time. So, if you're running the game at some like reasonable refresh rate, 16 or let's say you can get 100 FPS. So now we're talking about more like like 10 milliseconds or whatever.

[3:07:08] Um would you rather have your inputs at a thousand htz on like a 1000Hz monitor even knowing that you know the objects could be 100 milliseconds out of date or whatever but probably not if you tried

[3:07:23] it. Pretty much everyone we put in front of it was like holy crap this is amazing. I would love this so much more. Um, yeah. My pro my problem with the thing that I'm describing is you wouldn't really be able to tell super

[3:07:36] easily without like analyzing individual like in a first-person shooter game or something where if you're fighting with like blades you wouldn't be able to tell without analyzing.

[3:07:48] >> But there's already so much slop in any kind of multiplayer game because of >> be tough to >> I just don't see this being the main >> for me. Does this really? Nah, it's probably fine. Whatever. I didn't have a

[3:08:02] desktop again. I was quickly reminded that I am now older and slower than I Um, >> also rusty, but >> Also, the other thing. >> Yeah. Um,

[3:08:16] and you know, like I I do okay, but like it's not I'm not I'm not a competitive gamer and I I have long accepted this and that's fine. Uh, >> me too. even more than him. Not that it's a competition, but I have hardcore

[3:08:31] he has. >> Yeah, I still try. >> there's no point for me. >> But um >> yeah, I I'm wondering about like the super optimized

[3:08:46] situation for someone who is genuinely in that level of competition trying to do that thing. Is this viable? >> That's that's the part where I'm >> I don't I don't think we're going to know until we actually get Reflex 2 or

[3:08:58] three or five or who, you know, who knows, right? Because clearly this was working well enough that someone was able to put together a very compelling, very exciting demo years ago. >> Um, it's already working in VR games um,

[3:09:12] >> Um, it's already working in VR games um, and used very actively. And Nvidia has been cooking on this for presumably this whole time and they're not [snorts] they don't think it's ready yet. [clears throat] So

[3:09:25] >> yeah. Yeah. It'll just, you know, >> we'll have to we'll have to try it >> because because my the reason for bringing this up is the whole lossless >> Yeah. >> Is like

[3:09:42] effectively universally used in my opinion except for [sighs] I wonder what DMS would say. I wonder what DMS would say. I wonder if he uses lossless or not. I'm

[3:09:54] >> Yeah, he does. >> He does use losses. Okay. >> I'm not convinced that he actually thinks it matters, though. >> I think it's one of those I can. So, >> if your equipment's good enough, you can

[3:10:08] hear it, but there's diminishing returns. >> Compar can hear it compared to what though? Compared to like, >> you know, not quality. >> Yeah. Compared to streaming or like

[3:10:21] >> Yeah. Compared to streaming or like compared to a CD? Um, well, CD is pretty much indistinguishable, right? Red Brook Red Brook's pretty damn high compared to >> definitely. [snorts] >> That's what I'm That's what I'm That's

[3:10:33] here is like when we say, can you hear the difference from lossless? >> I think what Luke was getting at lossless compared to any kind of lossy >> decently high quality. And I I I am personally not convinced and I don't

[3:10:48] I'm pretty sure we've talked about it. And high quality compressed audio is pretty darn good. >> Absolutely. He was talking about the Oh, do does it make sense to mention video

[3:11:02] ideas that might be like pretty far out? >> Yeah. All right, I won't. >> Cool. >> Sounds good. Um, was there anything else actually think we talked about it at all. Uh, there was other stuff. Who

[3:11:15] >> Okay, sounds good. Goodbye. [sighs] >> This is cool. Prussa Pro AFS. It was actually the Battlebots guys that um brought this to my attention. It's a

[3:11:28] like just ready to go print farm >> that just automatically >> loads and unloads your plates and just does print farm things. Cool, right? >> Yeah. >> Wow.

[3:11:43] this. That's it. >> Neat, right? >> Yeah. Uh, screwdriver video. What's >> Absolute mad lads. I don't know. >> It says, "Check out this cool LT

[3:11:56] screwdriver video. Courtesy Jake U >> Redditor Bradley Doyle modeled, textured, and animated our screwdrivers in Blender to make this cool product >> I have not seen this. >> This pretty sweet.

[3:12:10] >> This pretty sweet. >> Oh, that's cool. Whoa. It even like looks like it's made of zinc. Okay, that's pretty cool.

[3:12:24] cool. >> Good lord. >> What? You did all the different colors. >> So sick, dude. >> Wow. >> Okay,

[3:12:40] that's pretty cool. Oh, hold on. I accidentally went away when it was still >> 3D generalist >> and motion designer. >> So sick. >> Bradley Doyle.ca.

[3:12:53] >> Genuinely fantastic. >> Canadian bro, too. Yeah. Love to see it. >> Sick. He has five subscribers on YouTube. >> Oh, that will probably go up. >> Yeah. Change that.

[3:13:10] Oh, okay. Hey, Bose has open- sourced the Soundouch API after previously Soundouch. Bose is taking steps to ensure that their owners aren't left so

[3:13:22] Bose is getting it right? Should they be doing more? Obviously, in our perfect a function, it just has the function forever. This is the acceptable compromise that we have laid out. So, it would be pretty hypocritical for us to

[3:13:39] um now say that Bose needs to do more and do better. This is um obviously not ideal, but it is better than nothing. So, I'm going to take the small L. >> Yeah. I I think without diving into this way too much, this seems like to a tea

[3:13:53] what we've asked companies to do if they're going to shut something down, down, but >> we also are realists and recognize going >> that you can't just keep everything going forever.

[3:14:07] going forever. >> So, I think that's really awesome. >> Makes me think more positively of Bose. Straight up. Mark dict 69 asks if we've talked about the clicks communicator.

[3:14:20] communicator. People in the community are hyped af. Um, no. >> Yeah, I could I could try it, I guess. I mean, I I I did recently try a phone

[3:14:39] with a with a keyboard again, and what I discovered is that wow, I um use a lot of special characters these days, and that's that's good. I like it. Autocomplete is really good, and screens are actually legitimately faster than I

[3:14:56] are actually legitimately faster than I ever was with a full keyboard. Uh I definitely have more to learn about this one. There's things about it that look better than previous keyboard phone modern attempts at uh at bringing back

[3:15:11] >> I heard I heard rumor that like >> uh one of the original BlackBerry >> I don't know. >> Well, that worked out great for >> Well, it did originally. >> Yeah. Right.

[3:15:24] >> I I don't know, man. I um I would love for this to be like the Logitech G-Cloud where I go on WAN show and I go, "Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Seems dumb." And then I use it and it

[3:15:36] totally changes my opinion. >> Sure. >> Probably not. But >> I bet I'd love for it to happen. >> That's going to be my attitude. I would love for I would love I'd love

[3:15:50] for that to happen. [snorts] >> I'm the kind of guy who wants like even more screen, not even less screen, which

[3:16:05] said I don't think it's going to happen isn't because I'm like, "Oh, the clicks for you. >> Yeah. I'm just not the guy. >> Yeah. Is should this be hosted by someone else?

[3:16:18] >> Um, no. I think I can be fair to it. I don't think there's anyone here who would want a keyboard on their phone quite frankly.

[3:16:31] is there more going on >> with what? >> Like are they are they doing something more? They said uh a phone for people who want to like do stuff not doom scroll and then their thing says tools

[3:16:43] for taking action not distraction or whatever. Are they doing more than just >> I'm pretty sure it's just the keyboard. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okie dokie.

[3:17:02] >> Oh, wait. It comes out of the The thing's like a case. It can just be a mini video. >> Oh, neat. There's just a USBC plug in >> Oh, neat. There's just a USBC plug in the thing that gives you the keyboard.

[3:17:15] >> Oh, watch this replay. Oh, that's their cases though. >> Oh, >> the clicks communicator is a phone.

[3:17:27] >> Clicks communicator and power. Okay. So, I didn't click on that. I just scrolled down and then it's no longer that. All right. Sure. That was a little bit confusing. My bad. >> Cool. Good chat.

[3:17:40] >> Okay. [laughter] [laughter] Hello, LT Lionus. How is FFT Ivalis going? >> I am on the second last fight and it's a

[3:17:54] >> I am on the second last fight and it's a giant load of [ __ ] And um at this giant load of [ __ ] And um at this point I would either have to undo the last few also [ __ ] but I made it through them fights and grind a bunch of

[3:18:07] stuff and get some equipment that I need to bring with me specifically to make this fight winnable because I need to be able to absorb some stupid element. Otherwise, I will just immediately be one hit every time any of them hit me.

[3:18:20] one hit every time any of them hit me. Um, or grind a bunch of levels. Um, or I need to go back out of this dungeon, so undo those three fights and then admit defeat and go off of tactician difficulty and go back to the standard

[3:18:35] fights will just be a breeze because I've been playing at tactician difficulty, so I'm I'd be like ludicrously overpowered to play against normal opponents. in which case I don't even really care about finishing it

[3:18:48] either of those two ways enough. So, I'm on like the second last fight and I give don't really care. And I [snorts] got almost to the end at tactician. And the only reason that I can't get through it is cuz I like I I got like two of my

[3:19:01] shields broken in the previous fight. So, I like didn't bring enough I I think it's Yeah, ice shields. I didn't bring enough ice shields with me and a couple of them got like broken by stupid knights. So, I like don't have enough to

[3:19:14] keep my opponent to keep my team from getting just sniped across the map by that [ __ ] guy in the second last fight that just has an ice gun that justing destroys you. And then I didn't grind uh break weapon on mustio and just

[3:19:28] like cheese it like that. So, it's just I don't know, man. I don't know, man. And it's one of those things where I know that tactician is for experienced players of the game, but when the only way to beat a fight is to have like done

[3:19:42] a very specific build or like have a very specific item that you've got equipped, that's not super fun for me. I like being able to build a somewhat rounded party and I'm I'm over it. Got a question here

[3:19:55] from Cody. Is Wi-Fi drunk? What happened to Wi-Fi 7E? I [snorts] mean, Wi-Fi has been Wi-Fi has been drunk for a while. I mean, remember 802.11b

[3:20:07] and then 802.11 we went all the way to G and then 802.11. What What was the next one? Was it AC? >> And then >> and then we went [clears throat] to

[3:20:20] Wi-Fi 6, I think. Hold on. >> Did they drop the letters after AC? >> Oh, yeah. N. I forgot about No, no, it was N. AX is when they were calling them like both >> G then N then AC then AX then we

[3:20:34] retconed all of that and called it all Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi 5 and then came Wi-Fi 6 Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi 5 and then came Wi-Fi 6 then 6E and now 7 and then yeah magic >> yeah there you go >> 111B 11 A 11 G 11N 11 A C 11 A X 11B 11

[3:20:54] >> No one really used 802.11 And then A and B existed at like kind of the same. Yeah, there you go. Kind of the same time. Uh A I think was 5 GHz rather than 2.4 if I recall correctly. But literally, quite literally nothing

[3:21:09] But literally, quite literally nothing consumerf facing used it. Um yeah, it consumerf facing used it. Um yeah, it was pretty cool. the right. Yeah. Yeah. A was 5 gigahertz. Yeah. Yeah. There you go.

[3:21:24] Cool. Good chat. Hi DLD, on your comment about hard drives, IBM is trying to strategically position tape IBM Diamondback for long-term storage due to data center boom. Do you think the bubble will pop

[3:21:40] >> No, tape's been around. >> I don't think the whole time is ever >> that's the whole point of tape. >> It has not left. Tape has been around. Uh it hasn't been around at the consumer level really. Um although there's been a

[3:21:55] level really. Um although there's been a couple attempts it it's Yeah. The problem is the drives are so freaking expensive. But if I remember >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The drives are just out of reach

[3:22:09] of consumers. Realistically, >> it's good timing. consumers right as the price popped up in Yeah. [laughter] >> Um Yeah. But the but the tapes are fine and like genuinely a lot of big

[3:22:23] whole time. >> They're very reliable. They're slow AF, but for long-term archival storage until we get like DNA storage or like storing

[3:22:36] we get like DNA storage or like storing data in crystal crystals or something. Aren't some of the sizes that you can get like obscene? Like 512 tab and like >> Like crazy. Yeah, it's it's honestly >> my favorite part about tape is like the

[3:22:52] like the tunnels and the tape grabbing robots and the It's just so neat. Oh, this was cool. Um I dropped by Froar Systems. We didn't end up making a video, but their new cold plate looks amazing. I was kind of I was kind of

[3:23:07] we've pretty much gotten to the point where um you you've made copper fins as small as they can get. You know, how much better does it get?" It turns out Oh, this is not a great This is not a great shot.

[3:23:22] Oh, shut up. They don't have the They don't have the geometry on their site. Come on, you guys. Okay, well, whatever. It turns out that if you use deposition manufacturing like they do with their airjets,

[3:23:36] um you can create shapes through very similar to how you would manufacture like like silicon like semiconductor products. You can deposit much more complex geometries that

[3:23:51] dramatically improve the heat exchange and you can do it really cheaply. Uh it. They weren't quoting pricing publicly, but someone slipped up and told me a number, which I won't disclose cuz I said I wouldn't, but it seems like

[3:24:06] >> basically my next question was, "Oh, interesting. Can we have consumer ones?" And they were like, "We haven't considered that." And I was like, "Okay, can we have consumer ones?" And then they didn't commit anything. [laughter]

[3:24:19] So that was neat for our systems. There you go. I've got one here for Luke. Hey LLD, question for Luke. What's been your overall experience with OVH as a hosting overall experience with OVH as a hosting platform? Hello from the OVHDC team.

[3:24:32] >> Oh, no pressure. [laughter] >> Which is why I wanted to make sure I >> I mean, with with anyone that you will have had a a you know, business bumps, but I think it's been really good. Realistically, like the the bumps

[3:24:48] that we've had, they have cared about them and sought resolution fairly quickly. And this includes when we've had account handlers that like had account handlers that like did not know or care whatsoever about

[3:25:01] all of this. They're just they're OVH people dealing with an OVH customer that has a problem and they cared and dealt with it. And like some people have pointed out certain things that are kind of a little bit bumpy about the OVH

[3:25:15] experience and it's like yeah they're also show me the price competitor bruh I'll show you the similar bumpy experience like it's fine dude I've been generally gone. I don't have bad things to say. There's a reason why we've been

[3:25:30] working with OVH for a very long time. And I know there was certain stuff that we like relied on very heavily >> in the early days. Um like the >> the DOS protection back in the day was

[3:25:46] like a pretty big deal. >> And the OVH to OVH super high-speed I recall correctly. >> Yeah, pretty big deal. Um

[3:25:58] I don't have bad things to say. I I mean, okay, I could drum some stuff up, but like if I'm being realistic, I'm I'm I'm quite happy. >> Um, and I'm sure if if this question was asked in reverse, I'm sure there's

[3:26:13] things they could drum up as well, cuz we uh we definitely messaged them a lot about things. [laughter] Uh, but yeah, they're cool. Come say hi in our French office. I have technically twice.

[3:26:28] Both times were great. both times were not for for for faux plane which is the majority of the usage that we have of OVH. Um yeah, which was kind of funny cuz both times I went I had to tell them like by

[3:26:43] the way we actually use your stuff and they were like huh [laughter] should uh work on informing them about that. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't.

[3:26:57] Who knows? Hey, LT. I am doing a degree in special education and looking into working at a nonprofit for people with disabilities. I was wondering which teacher or professor inspires you?

[3:27:13] >> H got a couple answers for this one. My uh my parents were my my mom and my stepdad were both teachers and my aunt on my biological father's side was also a teacher. So, I had a lot of teachers in my life growing up. Um, and I always

[3:27:28] thought that it was a very honorable thing to do. I always thought it was really cool. Uh, I wanted to be a teacher until I couldn't get a degree. You need a degree to be a teacher, at least here anyway. Um,

[3:27:41] but I'd say like the teachers that I had in school that were very inspiring. I in school that were very inspiring. I mean, Madam Bodasso um, made me care about French. Um, Al Horn, uh, outstanding English teacher who made me

[3:27:55] able to write and do my job that I do today. Um, Trout, who's I know he's still in the in the school system. I think he's a a

[3:28:10] principal now. Um, he showed me that like with effort you can accomplish a lot and he [snorts] enabled me to push really hard. like he noticed really early on that I was, you know, I'd be done the class assignment four minutes

[3:28:26] or whatever and you're supposed to sit there for the class duration and he'd give me the next one and then I'd finish a bunch of them in a day. So, he'd give in the corner and do all these by yourself." Basically, I'm not going to

[3:28:39] information. I have to teach the normal class, but you can just go. And I did that and finished all of the grades of computers in high school. A lot of teachers

[3:28:52] going above and beyond. And he kept going above and beyond a bunch of times. I remember one year he took this I probably told this on my show before, but he took a summer class at BCIT on 3D game programming and then distilled it

[3:29:06] down and created a new course at our high school just called 3D game programming just for our year because our like a bunch of my friends and and our group of people in my grade were all really interested in this. And I don't

[3:29:19] even think he kept it going for future grades because none of the other kids had a lot of interest. But I think we had two terms of it or something. I don't remember all the details, but like that was so unnecessary and so

[3:29:32] incredibly amazing and inspiring at the same time. I remember again a bunch of this whole thing I've definitely told him show before where he got us a bunch together which was amazing. He was awesome. Um Mr. Mr. Thompson I would get

[3:29:49] single year. >> Yeah. because I would just get torched for, you know, issues. And he put a cap on that and then tried to cultivate the like, you know, you seem to like care

[3:30:03] about stuff and have ideas and whatnot. So, let's focus on that for now. Um, and and grow your writing. And then out of his course, I went from like bottom of the barrel grades to doing really well and getting into AP English 12 and then

[3:30:15] being fairly successful in AP English 12 because it inspired me to try harder, which was great. And then Mr. Furs again just very inspiring about caring and he was my physics teacher which is

[3:30:30] >> I'm going to shout out Mr. Russell too for teaching me that not all teachers are going to give a [ __ ] about you. It wasn't that he didn't care. It was that wasn't that he didn't care. It was that he projected how it's going to be.

[3:30:43] >> Yeah. Mr. First showed that like you know it it matters if things are like hard but you still have to do them. That was like a very important lesson from him of like here look I'll help you but at the end of the day uh you're going to

[3:30:57] going to need to just be able to do it. So like >> let's figure this out together. I just found out that my AP English teacher um published between 9 and 6 months ago a series of five talks at the Merit BC

[3:31:11] library um on the history of life on Earth. >> Um, and I pretty much guarantee you,

[3:31:24] even though this only has as few as one view per video, that it is going to be um very entertaining and very educational.

[3:31:36] >> That's awesome. So, there you go. That's actually really cool. Hello. DL. I'm having all of my teeth,

[3:31:49] Wednesday. >> Holy crap. Really? Is that a thing? >> Sometimes that can happen. >> Oh, wow. Okay. Lionus, when you had your wisdom teeth removed, >> how long did it take for you to not be

[3:32:04] in pain? >> I think not in Okay. Well, it depends. For the top ones, it was pretty quick. For the bottom ones, man, I don't remember. I I I had those out like I don't know 7 8 years ago. Um I remember

[3:32:19] it taking a while and it really depends. I mean it'd be better to talk to I that would do it at that point if you're getting everything out. getting everything out. >> I wonder what what I wonder um

[3:32:32] questions. Yeah, >> but that that I mean sometimes you do it too. >> Oh, okay. It's very big in the Hollywood >> Oh, Crystal. >> You get new uh what?

[3:32:55] >> Yeah. Why? >> Uh or don't tell us. >> Well, we don't Yeah. >> Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You don't have >> Hopey goes all right. >> Yeah. I hope hope that goes all right.

[3:33:08] Yeah. >> Okay. Next. >> Uh, DLL. Should games cater to whales or masses? For example, here EA FC 2026.

[3:33:25] >> Nope. Yeah. Sorry. Go for it. >> Uh, they've been altering between reducing the meta based on feedback, annoying the pros, and increasing it, annoying the casuals. Can following feedback be bad? Yeah, I mean I guess

[3:33:40] that's Well, Luke was way ahead of you. I think that for a game like I think for a company like EA with a mass market product like a soccer game. Um

[3:33:55] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Luke. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, yeah, it it's it's tough because you are you're trying to appeal to everyone all at once. And that's

[3:34:10] that's tough. And if you don't, you know, if your game doesn't do a hundred million, 200 million, a billion dollars in sales or whatever, then for for some reason, even though you were profitable, your entire team might get laid off. um

[3:34:25] you kind of you have to take feedback, but then you also have to at some point grow a spine and make a game that has some kind of artistic intent to it. Um or not and just deal with that there's always [clears throat] going to be

[3:34:40] someone who's mad at you because just like running a YouTube channel that is watched by millions of people, if even 1% of people don't like the direction that you're taking it, that's going to be like from a million, right? that's

[3:34:52] 10,000 people that are going to be mad about whatever it is that you did. And when you upload every day or when you publish a patch every week or whatever it is, that per that part of that audience or that player base that that

[3:35:05] around and you're just going to feel like, well, I'm listening to you guys and now you're telling me I didn't do the right thing. And it's just uh it's to be. >> Yeah. When I first heard the question,

[3:35:19] it was like, do you think it's better for uh slop to be generated in flavor A or flavor B? That's that's basically just how I interpreted that. I think sometimes when you receive feedback, you got to analyze what the like root of

[3:35:32] that feedback is. And sometimes with Lionus's example, when you have this interact with, some of the feedback that you're going to receive when super negative, you might read it and just be

[3:35:44] like, "Yeah, okay. working as intended that you made just wasn't for that person. And if they're like, "I hate that it does this." And you're like, "Well, it doing that is the point." Then

[3:35:58] "Well, it doing that is the point." Then that's okay. That's all right. If you make a horror game and somebody's like, "I hate this game. 0 out of 10. It was "I hate this game. 0 out of 10. It was scary." It's like,

[3:36:10] cool. Nice. Maybe that person will ask for a refund and they'll get it and that's all right. But that was also sort of the right. But that was also sort of the point. So, no problem.

[3:36:26] Hello LLD. USB cable testers range from $15 to over a hundred >> Yeah, >> I mean accurate. [laughter] >> Um, and I have no idea if any of them are any good. Any advice? Triix versus

[3:36:42] are any good. Any advice? Triix versus Cber QEU possible video topic after your new USB cables launch. >> I don't know that we would get into that to be honest with you. Um >> for the like 12 people that it would

[3:36:54] affect. I looked very briefly at Triix and it seems like it's sort of fairly basic and or kind of very DIY like in terms of the information that they're providing like they're not looking at the shape of

[3:37:09] the eye, you know, they're just kind of like yes, no, no, yes, no, yes, no. Um, what I suspect is that for very basic testing, does this cable work? It might

[3:37:22] certainly be able to tell you no, it's broken, but I don't know that it's yes would be particularly meaningful to me. It might be amazing, but I I have no experience with it. And I don't know that I have the interest in going to a

[3:37:36] that I have the interest in going to a level of depth um that would be required to find out if it's any good when we'd rather just use professional level tools and um and make sure that our cables are

[3:37:50] good with those and focus on that for now. Uh, speaking of cables, by the way, now is a great time, thanks Noki, to head over to ltstore.com and sign up for a notification for when our truepec cables are going to be launched. Uh,

[3:38:04] purpose-built lengths, so we want you to get the right length cable for you. So, we'll have more than just the sort of main sizes. Clearly labeled speeds and feeds just like that. And they won't come off cuz they are embossed

[3:38:19] come off cuz they are embossed and UVresistant silicone style cables and UVresistant silicone style cables which are nice and flexible and uh feel just >> not style right. It just saty. Yes, they

[3:38:31] >> not style right. It just saty. Yes, they are. >> Um last one I've got for you. Hey LLD had two packages swapped and it did not

[3:38:43] >> A bummer. >> Got any fun stories about stolen or swapped packages at LMG or stories about suffering from retail fraud at NCIX?

[3:38:55] Man, I don't uh I wasn't really involved in that department. Like I'm sure if I something, he would be able to tell me all kinds of fun stories. But uh what I will say is that Corsair's side of the story on some of the stuff that's been

[3:39:12] >> returns or whatever. >> Yeah. Is a little more nuanced than some >> Yeah. Is a little more nuanced than some of the public uh discourse about it. I get a little bit more information and whether or not the people there can even

[3:39:26] whether or not the people there can even really talk to us. But um you know, hint, spoiler, um apparently in some of these cases, like it's pretty obvious based on the volume of orders that one individual is

[3:39:43] trying to place for items that have price errors that, you know, they're not trying to um get a lot of stuff so that they can um get a lot of stuff so that they can flip it for profit, which uh

[3:39:58] you know, you're not really the victim anymore at that point. It's certainly not black and white. I I don't really have I I've actually had really good luck in terms of my packages generally arriving when I order

[3:40:11] I've had I mean I've had delays and stuff, but I've I don't think uh there's only one time I had a major issue with a package and I had to drive to like the shipping depot and get it from them at the depot and it was because of some

[3:40:26] the package and they wanted it to be like >> much more officially handed off to the point where I went to the depot for it or something. I don't remember what happened but it was like very strange.

[3:40:39] >> I got my stuff >> like that that scorpion chair. They just like dropped it off. >> Oh, dude. Okay. Yeah, I've had one freaking lawn. >> Stupid.

[3:40:52] >> All right. >> Nice. Dan, please tell me you had your >> No. What? He said lawn chair. That's funny. Ding. You have to ding yourself. I won't tell the show until you ding yourself. Nice. And we'll see you again

[3:41:04] channel. >> Bye. >> [clears throat] >> All right.