Why Blizz Mustn't Villain-Bat My Boy... A WoW Podcast, Obviously #71

[01:33] >> and welcome to a WOW podcast. Obviously episode number >> It is episode 71. One day you're going to get it wrong and I'm going to laugh. to get it wrong and I'm going to laugh. I'm going to mock you. Never it.

[01:47] >> Okay, let's start. >> Now we're ready. >> The podcast. It's me and you and you >> and me. um and coming at you live in your earbuds if you're listening on

[02:00] earbuds and if not then just ambient room sound really yeah podcast. Obviously thank you to everyone who's uh live in chat right now in the YouTube and on the Twitch. Uh and thank you to everyone who is watching the VOD

[02:14] listening on your preferred uh podcast listening platforms. I'm sorry that I've just got out the shower >> so my hair is all sllicked back. Oh, >> You'll have to imagine it. Just imagine me when I was a real piece of [\h__\h]

[02:31] >> I used to be a real piece of [\h__\h] Slick back hair, sloppy stakes. >> I don't even know what those words mean. >> You don't get the the reference, you the shower looking like I used to be a real piece of [\h__\h] So, that's me. Uh,

[02:47] I was out the shower and I was like, "Oh, my hair looks all sllicked back and I've just got out the shower." So, I put on one of my favorite sweaters. Like my >> Yeah. What do you think about that? E. So, I've kind of hopefully balanced it a

[03:03] >> The high and the low. I like it. >> Yeah, exactly. think you can leave reference. That's all the piece of [\h__\h] slick back hair. Sloppy steak. Is that a British thing? >> I think you should leave.

[03:18] >> Oh, no. It's the guy you love. It's the comedy thing you love. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no. I understand. I kind of >> Oh, no. We're going to get off the should leave. >> No, no. I I'm not

[03:31] >> I drink so much wine now. It just speaks to me as a show. I just really like it. Um, so here we are. We're are in our office recording, but we are also, as we do all of this, we are live uh in our guild house. So, if there any guildies

[03:47] watching on EU right now, still working on the inside of the Oh, no. I can see there are people in the house. >> And they they [\h__\h] with my bricks. >> Yeah, they >> No. One day one day they're going to

[04:02] have like to make things interactive happen. And you did nothing. And you watched them turn my beautiful, beautiful wall into a vision of the myself. >> Yeah.

[04:15] >> Oh, no. Okay. Well, [\h__\h] you guys, right? Everyone out. No. Boo. You suck. >> It's true. If there's anyone in the neighborhood who wants to come by and I've sat on this little chair here so that you can see my new improved

[04:31] >> Yeah, I told you I was going to. my new improved uh oh what they called >> Thank you. Mage weave leggings. The first thing I ever bought on the auction house back in the day. Yeah. >> On on a character. I was like, "Oh, they

[04:44] look good." And the other thing was like the the the white dress, you know, >> the one I know the one white dress. That was the other thing I bought on the um because as you well know, there are high-res versions of the Mageeave uh

[04:58] pants and shirt mage sets of course in Midnight. But up until today, they were >> Yeah. Well, no. They they they brought the kind of the redone versions a little the kind of the redone versions a little while ago and uh people noticed that

[05:13] while ago and uh people noticed that very recently. Uh well, they've been changed because when they first came back, they were the cut, what I guess you call it, the thigh cut, was not like a normal, slightly more modest uh

[05:27] length, you know, it kind of it kind of covered a bit more real estate. Uh but no, no, they've uh they've they've reverted that change because the people >> "Give us more. >> Give us more." Yeah.

[05:42] >> Make the thigh cut higher. And uh and they did exactly that. Look at I see all >> fullbone exposure. >> That's a Yeah. >> That's a Yeah. >> Hipbone exposure and more.

[05:55] >> Hipbone exposure and more. >> So uh mageweave uh pants enjoyers, >> The people were right. The people spoke and the people got it right. >> You know, we discussed the big big topics on this show like my banana

[06:08] >> You look absolutely fantastic. >> The people were right. And not for the last time. Let us let let us let us take this as a lesson. Everel, but the people of World of Warcraft know what they're talking about. Which brings us quite

[06:21] nicely to our main topic of conversation for today, which we won't start on going to be well, we're going to talk about, you know, our week in WoW. We're going to talk about uh the new patch which is on the PTR.

[06:34] >> And all the speculation that it brings for 12.1, but 12.07 is on there. It's months, just under. >> And for me, one of the most interesting things about it is the story line that's

[06:46] I'm aware, there's only one chapter of the story on there. Last time I looked, reset. I haven't checked. Uh but you know for me the most exciting thing know for me the most exciting thing about 12 uh 0.7 is this new five chapter

[07:00] story campaign which is setting up the action for 12.1 focuses very strongly on Zuljan? >> Oh uh I think I think the proper >> Oh >> it's like the J is a little

[07:15] >> No. >> Oh thank goodness. Okay. No I'm glad I'm to you, but I'll always listen to Chen. >> Or at least that's how that's how they >> Well, you know what? They should know. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Um I'm a huge fan of

[07:28] Zuljan. Um I think he's I think he's a really really great sympathetic, interesting character. He's complex. He's not straightforward. He can be unlikable and frustrating, but he's really, really good. And yeah,

[07:42] to make our conversation a lot more interesting cuz I think that, too. And I want to see that sweet lovely boy explored properly and not just thrown >> I'm with you, >> you know. Um and uh well I look without

[07:55] wanting to give too much away about this section coming up. Uh I mean the chapter I mean who knows. Uh anyway, so there we go. Uh come on in, join us in our house lovely time. >> Yes.

[08:09] spoilers today. >> Oh, later. But we'll give you lots and lots of warning. Oh, and uh likewise chat, no spoilers uh in there for other folks who don't know anything about anything happening. Um but yeah, we

[08:21] when it's time. >> We'll save the uh we'll save the Zuljan But in the meantime, what have you been up to IN WORLD OF WARCRAFT this week? >> Well, before we get there, um special mention.

[08:35] >> I know you you were going off on the show. We were good to go. You know, when it was the thing when you were like, "Well, speaking of people knowing uh of want." I thought that was a natural segue into talking about super chats,

[08:50] but no, you took it somewhere else completely. Anyway, um uh super chat. >> All the time I want.

[09:06] >> So, uh for anyone >> for anyone who wants to take uh Yeah. Uh anyone who wants to uh drop us a message, drop us a question. Uh if anyone would like to, you know, direct the conversation in any way or just say

[09:19] hi, uh feel free to drop us a super chat on YouTube. We'll be getting to those uh towards the end of the show today. Not too late because I need enough time to run downstairs and change into normal clothing before I go pick up the kids.

[09:31] >> Oh, Evie is giving a test drive to the the dress that she's planning on wearing in two days time to LFG, right? >> Oh, yes. We'll talk about that. Um, so, uh, yes, uh, super chatters, feel free to super chat and do your thing.

[09:44] Likewise, um, YouTube members, members of the team, the team. >> Yeah. Yo, Um, >> please, please, can you mention

[09:57] memberships at the end of the week reset uh, tally because, you know, get a better bonus. >> We get a little bonus. Yeah. everyone who signed up to that. Um, because the interest in that was much

[10:12] higher than I thought it was going to be. We unlocked loads of emotes. Um, so anyone who has the little category bubble by their head uh in uh YouTube chat right now, please uh unleash those emotes so people can see what they're

[10:27] what they can get if they become members of the team. >> Yes, that do that. And everyone watching on Twitter, thank you. We see you. We see you when you sub. We don't like uh kind of make a big deal out of it when

[10:40] >> Twitter. >> No, I don't see anyone on Twitter. >> Absolutely not. I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed on uh no Twitch. Thank you to everyone who's on Twitch. Thank you to people uh subbing on Twitch. Uh we see

[10:52] love you. >> I might uh do a little stream after the I'm thinking. >> Good shout. >> Log into the old Twitch account. Give it Give it a spin.

[11:04] >> You know, we might just do that. Have >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. you to everyone that came along and listened to us on the Grinding Gears

[11:17] podcast as well this week. >> That was an absolute treat. In case you missed it, uh you can go and watch it on the Grinding Gear uh YouTube channel and also wherever they release podcasts. Uh you can listen with your ears. That's

[11:31] Garrett and Kyle. We had a really nice chat with them and uh it's me JP talking about our experience at FanFest and how we feel about Final Fantasy at the moment and wow it's impossible not to compare the two but we had a really

[11:45] >> It is impossible not to compare the two isn't it? Especially with uh 14 making a play for you know in a big way I think kind of not traditionally Final Fantasy 14 players like they are doing I think with some of the updates that are coming

[11:59] in in Everold. So, really interesting conversation there. And it gave a chance for one or two of my Final Fantasy 14 haters who have been kind of like on ice like demolition man for the last few years to kind of thor out and and like

[12:14] years to kind of thor out and and like dig up all of the the lies that like one or two people in the Final Fantasy 14 community like to tell about the internet. It's really wild. I got to say I got to say like, you know, there's

[12:27] community who just really [\h__\h] hate me. And fair enough, you know, I used to >> I used to be a real piece of [\h__\h] >> Slip back hair, sloppy steaks. You go in

[12:39] steaks today, guys." And we'd be like, "No, no, no, no sloppy steaks." And then you chuck the water on it. You'd eat as much as you could before they got there. piece of [\h__\h] They can tell. They can always tell. I'm just worried that the

[12:53] baby is afraid that it doesn't think that people can change. That's all. sense. >> No, but no. Had I showed my face on a uh Final Fantasy 14 podcast, then um someone was in the chat going, "Oh,

[13:08] yeah. Don't you remember when Talen went on a real huge misogynistic rant about on a real huge misogynistic rant about Vieiraa in uh Final Fantasy?" I was like, I just And people in the chat were like, "What? Really? How troubling."

[13:21] Very concerning. >> Very concerning. I was like, "BITCH, [\h__\h] WHAT?" >> My uh my my favorite part of uh that that Yeah, your professional hater. It's okay. We all we all have them. But uh

[13:36] they they made a few comments and one of them was like, you know, "Oh, Tally, blah blah blah blah. I don't like him. Blah blah blah blah blah statement blah blah blah blah blah blah blah." with his here here's the here's the the clincher

[13:50] here here's the here's the the clincher with his fake white teeth >> that's good because you know when you when you've got like a hater a stalker you can sometimes feel quite unsafe you know it's like how who are they how much

[14:05] are they infiltrating my real life you never know right it can be quite scary been docked and stuff and it's been it's been pretty scary but that comment gave away They've never met me in real life because they would never say that if

[14:19] seen my teeth. >> I say this with love and I love your teeth, but like you're you're like my teeth, but they're not perfect. >> But like I would I would um uh I would say that if you asked an American to

[14:34] say that if you asked an American to like to to give an example of like what British dentist, >> no no no no. >> no no no no. as in slightly imperfect. You know, I I

[14:46] >> no, the American opinion of British teeth, not unreasonably, is that they're dog [\h__\h] and that they're like they're like little fence posts stuck in mud randomly like and and you know that's that's that please don't they wouldn't

[15:01] think that of mine, would they? They're a bit gappy, but you know what that gappy teeth you know healthy. How many fillings have you got? >> I've got zero fillings. How many people do you know that have zero fillings? No,

[15:15] I've got many. I've got as many teeth as anyone else, but they're bit spread out. That's why my mouth has to be so big. >> I brought up that point. would be it would it would be as if someone, you know, would be like, "Oh,

[15:29] someone, you know, would be like, "Oh, that tell I can't stand her. She's a she's a bigot." And you know, yeah, she's >> you know, her little her little button nose and you know

[15:44] >> her her tiny impish face like small squat neck. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just hate her teeny tiny forehead. If ever if ever telling her tiny

[15:56] forehead. I just hate it so much, you know? It's like definitely a guy as well. I don't think that guy has ever met me. But so anyway,

[16:09] >> for the sake of transparency cuz I feel like this is one of those things where I of stuff when it's put out there about me, right? But you know, I feel I want to tackle this one. Like >> I didn't go on a misogynistic rant about

[16:23] the Vieiera. Someone asked me why I didn't play a Vieiraa. Yeah. in the chat and I said, "Oh, I personally don't vibe with them because for me they just remind me of of of Playboy Bunnies, right?" And I can't shake that. I look

[16:36] at them, I see Playboy Bunnies and and then Chat was like, "Well, well, you association." And I'm like, "Brilliant. >> I'm not Japanese. >> I'm, you know, I'm British. I grew up at a certain time, but I do have that

[16:49] association. So, it's no fault of the game. If you play them, that's absolutely fine. I don't think you're a weirdo for playing them. Um, like I I I the game or anything like that. I personally can't shake the image that

[17:03] they look a bit like Playboy bunnies. And for me, that makes them a bit over intention of the game. Maybe I think it probably is. But like, you know, like I I would feel a bit if I was like I think if my if my mom and dad came in and saw

[17:16] >> Sure. >> You know, like that's just not something I you know, I'll just play a different character. It's fine. But no shade on the Oh, people went crazy. People went mad.

[17:30] else I could like just for me personally. switching my character to a Vieiraa? Will this Will this douse the flame? Vieira. >> Yeah. Well,

[17:44] >> now that you mention it, >> you did say something about her forehead, you know. >> Yeah. Um, so I I that's what it was. I I personally have that association with them and I and that's why I I personally

[17:59] because you only play one like character in Final Fantasy 14 and I play the Haroth gear and they rock. Okay. Like my my kind of mountain Har. Is that what we >> No, you No, are the big male cats. >> Oh, what are the what are the what are

[18:14] such different words? >> We play big. How do I possibly get them? Makes Yeah, I play the human the big like mountain humans. rock. They're so cool. >> Their thighs a they could they could

[18:27] wear never never weave cloth sets and they look amazing. Simple as that. So, >> Um, so if you want to listen to more in that vein, >> Hop on over to Grinding Gear uh where you can listen to us chatting uh by uh

[18:41] Final Fantasy for a bit. But no, today we are talking World of Warcraft on our >> Yes, >> that's what we're doing today. Well, how's your week been in WoW, Evie, with a Did you get a chance to properly tuck

[18:54] into the new patch this week? Uh because you know, we were away at FanFest, >> we were away, and uh yeah, just been uh catching up on on work stuff, catching catching up on on work stuff, catching up on WoW stuff, and uh yeah, it's been

[19:08] nice. I've been doing some ritual sites. Uh it's funny, I'm like I'm slightly undergeeared for not undergeeared, I think I'm just a [\h__\h] player also. Oh. with with ritual sites? Is that what you're telling me right now?

[19:22] them, but I sometimes die occasionally, which I find embarrassing. dying to pay to die? >> Is there a mechanic that you're not doing? Are you Are you interrupting the guy who does the big

[19:35] >> Uh, yeah. >> Are you Are you destroying the obelisks >> I am. And now I'm no longer empowering obelisks. I literally just swapped to a different challenge. I was like, "Ah, [\h__\h] oblisks." Um, so though I think

[19:50] that one's actually pretty easy. Um, so yeah, I I die occasionally and it's usually if I'm like in uh and get a whole pack, right? If if I get a whole pack coming at me of of mobs or if I trigger like, you know, the alarm bells

[20:04] and then lord of them, loads of them. Yeah, it's it is the shadow spear guy. shadow >> he appears and he's casting this big thing but you you can interrupt him or do any CC on him and he'll disappear. So

[20:18] just just fire like a I don't know you're a hunter. You got like 20, right? just get you're a hunter. You can fire while you're moving. So just get out of >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I don't I don't mind it. Um so I I find that I'm more

[20:32] mind it. Um so I I find that I'm more efficient at delves. Um, and you know, I efficient at delves. Um, and you know, I know that uh uh ritual sites give like >> Well, I heard delves were irrelevant now, but they hadn't counted on people

[20:45] that weren't good enough to do ritual sites. efficient at delves. I feel like I get them done more quickly. Um maybe I've little healer, so like if I just need it, you know, I grab it. The little

[21:00] it, you know, I grab it. The little green like health bubbles do very little shaky >> nothing compared to my girl Varice's like hearts >> yeah exactly hearts balls they switch

[21:15] right um so yeah so I've been doing those a little bit I haven't been doing things I've really just been kind of doing catchup about you Tally week for me actually because I've been doing like a lot of um

[21:30] uh the current patch, but also playing a lot of PTR with uh 12.0.7 as well, because I I really wanted to get to grips with the new showdowns. Um and uh because it's one of those pieces of content that, you know, we're

[21:44] about it in the presentation, stuff like that. And you know, we we fall back on kind of assumptions about it as well. So, I'm sure many of us, most of us when So, I'm sure many of us, most of us when they announced Showdowns were like, "Oh,

[22:00] >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The 8.3 uh feature on Anourus where you like uh portals opening up and you get zapped to different worlds across the

[22:13] Like back in Legion, that was brilliant because you be taken to different worlds and you're like, "Wow, this is so cosmic and brilliant and it's a real change of favorite is always going to be that one with in the big forested area. You know,

[22:28] you're in this clearing of this big forest world. It was so cool. It was so mobs and then you kill a boss and all would be well. And very reasonably, people looked at Showdowns and they were like, "Oh, it's invasion points 2.0,

[22:43] >> And that's a very reasonable assumption because Blizz is in the habit at the moment of something I don't even disapprove of, you know, taking kind of events and gameplay modes from past expansions and putting a bit of a

[22:56] different sheen on them and and putting them in as like very easy repeatable them in as like very easy repeatable patch content. Uh even kind of uh ritual sites, you know, they smell a bit like um delves, but also

[23:11] uh uh a bit like um horrific visions as well, don't they? Kind of delves mixed with horrific visions. More kind of um obvious uh showdowns. Such a weird name for them. I always forget what it is

[23:26] >> because they're literally using planets that were featured in the invasion points. Imagine Val and Nagtal. How do you say Nagtal? >> You were saying it in a weekly reset different from how I say it, but I liked

[23:38] >> Exactly. >> Um, so I think it's very fair that everyone kind of associates them together, but after playing quite a bit of them over the last few days. Uh, they're they're very different. That's

[23:51] all is the invasion points from Legion. Uh, despite the fact that they're set on the same planets, they don't use the same maps. These are much more comparable to Dell uh to um uh ritual sites honestly, which is what they're a

[24:05] natural extension of. Like the bosses there are the bosses from like the uh Legion invasions in 12.0.5. It's very much like the final chapter of the events from 12.0.5. You know, you're taking out the big bosses there, but

[24:18] they they they're actual openw world zones. They're not uh they're not um uh instances, you know, they're phased zones, right, which people just come in get there cuz it's the other side of the galaxy, right? Uh and and they they're

[24:34] explorable and they've got world quests on them, and they've got world bosses on them, and they've got uh rares on them, and they've got little treasures on them, and they've got little uh kind of quests that pop like bonus objectives

[24:49] just straight commal garden yellow exclamation mark quests as well. Um, and you know, I don't know yet, but it looks like at least one of them has a little which is which is really cool. And actually, they're quite good. I don't

[25:06] with them because you reach saturation point. It's like, well, I've done my uh have I done my Dells? Yeah. Have I done my uh world quests in the open world? Yeah. Have I done my uh invasions? my incursions. Yeah. Have I done my ritual

[25:21] sites? Yeah. Do I have time to do my showdowns? Maybe. Let's see what we can >> Yeah. Right. >> It's like, so I don't know how many world bosses on your own. They're [\h__\h] world bosses, right? So, you

[25:33] tried. >> Um, of course. And like, yeah, of course I did. I wanted the rewards, man. I went to complete the quest. Uh, but >> yeah, they're good. And they're zones. They're like I mean, they're not like

[25:47] >> Yeah, >> they're kind of like I would say that as zones they're bigger than obviously the the ritual site uh on the coast with the >> Way bigger than that. >> Uh maybe slightly smaller than uh a

[26:04] >> Uh that that ritual. That's pretty big, isn't it? So maybe I say the same size >> Oh, nice. Okay. So promising. >> Yeah. Yeah, it is promising. It's it's see how different they were and how much I enjoyed them. Oh, nice.

[26:18] >> And uh yeah, like and and the the NTA one did some really good exploring in talked about in the weekly reset, you know. So, um yeah, so I did a bit of testing on that and there's not really much else to test on the 12.0.7

[26:34] going to get to a little bit later on. So, uh yeah, just getting into um So, uh yeah, just getting into um uh the the current patch on uh live at

[26:46] the moment. And I mean, I just don't I don't know about you, but I have you have you done an incursion yet? >> No, I haven't touched them at all. >> Yeah, same. I did them. They were fine. I can't be doing them.

[26:59] >> Same. Same. Have they increased the like the the uh bar going up yet? Did they make bar go up faster or no? Well, it's kind of like um pissing in the wind, isn't it? Because I think there are less and less people doing the incursions all

[27:12] the time. So, they can make the bar go up faster, but in real time it's not >> And I mean, that was the thing, you know, we I we tested them on the PTR and uh then when they went live, you know, I did one of the little events and the the

[27:27] bar went up literally like 1%. And likewise, everyone was like, >> why would I bother doing that? I'm not I I don't have time for that. You know, the the impact that it made on kind of the the communal bar was so tiny that I

[27:40] was like, why? So So yeah, I I literally haven't gone back and um >> Yeah. You know, I got Yeah, exactly. I got enough field accolades to get a piece of hero gear and of course it was useless, you know, that was like not for

[27:52] like, well, >> right then, guess I'm gonna Okay, you >> Yeah. and and like you know what? I've got a whole ton of field accolades I did enjoy ritual sites. >> I think ritual sites are really good. Uh

[28:08] a [\h__\h] about that. But like just to go in there, >> get up to uh like collect all of the challenges so that I could open up level challenges, clear it out, get all the achievements all at once. That felt

[28:22] four as well to get all the achievements. I'm not sure if I can be That's not group content to me. In the same way that delves have never been group content to me, like I hold fast to

[28:34] the things that I can that I can do by myself and be empowered by, like I'm open to being in a group for those, but I'm never going to seek out a do like a interesting. This kind of like it's solo, but also group content, you know,

[28:49] >> I'd be curious to hear if other people go in on them doing groups because I >> for the achievements. I I probably will. thing is I'm stuck in that place where I've quite enjoyed them and it's given me like a chunk of field accolades but

[29:03] not enough to get all the stuff and not enough to like level up my renown tree enough so that >> I can even buy all the stuff and it's >> do I want to keep grinding this like I don't think I would enjoy it as grindy

[29:16] anyway but I mean the rewards are good okay have you done uh decor jewels yet >> I haven't done decor jewels yet I just I literally I haven't done that and I impression. >> Okay. Okay, let's see.

[29:31] >> What? What am I? >> Oh, this is Decor DS in the wild. Okay. >> Oh. Oh, he's a >> oh. He's a You're a You're a spoiler bot.

[29:47] It's a It's It's a >> What? What am I? >> What? What am I? >> A a a spoiler bot. That's what you are. >> Nope. That was

[30:00] >> That was the purple triangular quest marker in the northeastern corner of my >> Still there. >> Yeah. just like constantly just like every time I go into [\h__\h] Everong Woods and I look at the like the troll

[30:15] zone, there's just this there's just this purple [\h__\h] triangle in the top right hand corner of my map and it's that [\h__\h] and it's like >> I can't even pick it up as I'm going past just to get it off the map.

[30:27] >> It's so far out of the way like today is a day for the fishing event. Today is a day for abyss anglers. >> Takes like five MINUTES TO DO DONE WITH IT IN FIVE. I DID AGAIN I DID IT ON THE PTR. It's not like I don't know what I'm

[30:42] like experienced this stuff, right? >> Oh. Oh, and I and I think another reason why I don't do um like incursions and also get a little bit about Void Assault

[30:54] is because they're in Everong and Zullean, which makes sense, but those are the two places that like in terms of flying take the longest to get to from Silver Moon. So, in my mind, I'm like, this is this is just a Blizzard decision

[31:09] to like maximize gameplay time because I have to fly to these places and I literally can't just step through a portal and instantly be there. I'm just like, >> you have to travel through the world as

[31:24] some kind RPG >> to do this throwaway bit of content. You throwaway content, but like get me there and get me back to what I'm doing, >> Um, so yeah, so having Abyss Anglers all

[31:38] thing. Yeah. I'm just like I haven't picked it up yet. right? I like literally haven't touched it, right? My my um renown tree for all of that, you know, you know, all those sexy elves hanging out in uh thingy like

[31:54] >> Oh, yeah. the ones that you get the quests off of and like it's at three, right? I haven't done any of this um really. >> However, this isn't unlike unlike a lot of other people who agree with what I'm

[32:06] from most other people. >> I don't think that's a problem. >> I don't actually think it's an issue. I actually think it's fine that there's all this stuff happening that I don't personally want to do. It's not like I'm

[32:19] not logging into the game. I am logging into the game. I'm seeing this stuff and I'm going I'm going to need some mythic plus here's what I think. >> I'm going to get some concrete player

[32:31] power now. >> Absolutely. Yeah. So, I I love uh moment. I am Man, I'm having so much fun in Mythic Plus. >> Like, oh my god, I'm having so much fun in Mythic Plus. I'm almost at 3400. I've

[32:45] got like I've got like a few more dungeons to do, which I should be doing. like three or four at 16. And I swear to God, these 16 runs, if they don't collapse in the first like minute, which many of them do.

[32:58] >> Um, but if they don't, they are the easiest runs I've ever done in my [\h__\h] life. >> Like, it's so >> Good. I'm happy to hear that.

[33:10] >> I'm trying to find an analogy. Right. >> So, I guess like >> No. >> Were you not? No. >> I mean, maybe like a school orchestra. >> Yeah. Well, so imagine like you were

[33:23] you. >> Right. And I imagine that you were in an school orchestra and it was just kind of dog [\h__\h] and you knew it was Well, maybe you didn't even know it was dog [\h__\h] and you're like, "Oh, this is hard." Like

[33:36] really hard. And then you joined like a really good orchestra that you got take accepted into. And suddenly you're like, "Wait, it's not hard. This is easy. This cuz everyone was better, right? Everyone else. Yeah. You're surrounded by people

[33:50] that cared more, that knew more, that like no one was rest, you know, and and and that's what doing 16s is like. It's like you go from you go from even from is so easy." >> Wait, people are like mitigating.

[34:05] >> Yeah, they're all they're doing everything right. And honestly, I was everything right. And honestly, I was doing a 16 pit of Sauron yesterday and I realized my fingers were literally touching the buttons less than usual. I

[34:17] had moment I was literally there. Everything was just going super fast. I >> taking my hands off the keyboard sometimes cuz people just didn't need >> Yeah, >> it was incredible. I was like, "Oh,

[34:29] what? Oh, this was so whereas usually I'd there were bits in that dungeon going, "Oh my god." Like real damage control. But in this 16, I could just >> Wow. >> Um and I didn't have to sit down and

[34:42] I just wasn't using much mana. It was just like very very chill. >> There you go. So easy. Um and and it felt very nice. It was very good. So I I'm I'm loving Mythic Plus at the moment. Can't wait to get 3400.

[34:54] don't know how much I'm going to really push it or anything. push it or anything. >> Um but uh it's very very cool to do. And race to world first. >> Yay. That's incredible.

[35:07] immortality. >> You you guys well done. Thank you. We're very proud of that. Um, >> you know, then we went to FanFest for recle. >> No.

[35:21] >> Uh, no. And I was like, you know, these things happen. Whatever, man. Who? They point? >> So, I went I joined raid again uh this >> So, I went I joined raid again uh this this week and um

[35:34] this week and um uh we we got back to Lura and we couldn't get past phase one. >> Oh. on our on our rec. My first recar >> We were just like >> hard stuck at phase one. We didn't get

[35:48] We got past phase one maybe like two or three times the entire night. >> And then the next the next when we came back to try again on Sunday again. It was kicking our ass >> and we're like we've cleared this. We've

[36:02] done this fight. >> What's going on? Well, there were a lot it. >> Okay. uh and who weren't there for the time we killed it. Even then, you know, like our item level is it's two weeks

[36:15] ago we cleared it and item levels are generally higher and it's been nerfed and it was just like I mean it was it was kicking our ass and go we didn't have our usual raid leader either of them in um and um

[36:30] >> Ellerin was was uh raid leading and uh had to you know it I I think she thought basically for for recl and it turned out she had to do some proper good raid

[36:42] leading uh on Sunday to get a sparse lur and we did with the last pull of the curve but it was a it was a little bit embarrassing. such a baller. I don't know what we would have done otherwise. Like if it

[36:56] >> Love it when it's the last pull. >> It's always the last pull. I'm kind of thinking that we just organize one pull rate nights from now on. We just go in do one like and we were like we're going to go in for one pull 55 everyone show

[37:09] >> Exactly. Yeah. Oh, that's totally my style. I'll do join Raid for that. >> Uh, so yeah, it was it was it was a getting edgy, man. >> People were like, you know, people were

[37:23] getting annoyed and angry and and kind of just a bit touchy and edgy because >> We've done it. And >> it's the hardest thing when you know you right. >> That's you know me. I I'm always just

[37:38] going to advocate for more healers. I'm always just like, look, >> I've raided with this team for over 10 years now. I know that the answer >> Yeah, >> just brute force this [\h__\h] you know? We

[37:51] got the DPS because obviously everyone's got loads of gear right now. Just just very forgiving by having an extra healer in there. Let's just do it, guys. That's always my advocacy. So that Yeah, that's where I always come from. But it was

[38:04] >> It was Yeah, it was it was something. It was really getting to us actually. It was I think you know again the mood would have been very very different if >> killed it >> again. So, but I've been there for both

[38:17] >> again. So, but I've been there for both of our kills now, which is quite we on one hand I'm like, "Oh, no guys, I'm lucky." On the like and then on the other hand, I'm like, "Fuck you guys. Can't do it without me. Such an

[38:30] important member of the team." Right. So, that's all that's all been that's all been really good. And and and so I I haven't really touched uh all of like the the the other events that have come in. Um I you know my

[38:44] character uses a staff so I haven't even been able to use the new sheathing >> really cuz it's like oh do you want do you want to use the default of the staff only other place you can put it which is on your back.

[38:57] [\h__\h] back then I but I do like the whole disappearing when you're in your >> Yeah. >> It takes a bit of like you know loophole systems menus to be able to do it but you can do it. So, like, you know, your

[39:12] inside. I think that's all really cool. Uh, but the Yeah. So, to repeat, the this [\h__\h] >> I'm not doing any of these incursions.

[39:25] Anglers and stuff, but I think that's fine. And I don't actually think that's >> I think I think I'd still rather have them in the game than not. >> Yeah, I I agree. I think the one difference I would make, the one change

[39:39] everyone in the chat is going to agree with me, and they're going to throw up their hands and go, "Tally, you've solved it. Get this man on the screen. solved it. Get this man on the screen. >> This is like,

[39:53] moment, you can't do incursions until you max level. At the moment, you can't do ritual sites until you max level. >> Like, why are these max level? Why are >> Like, activities. make it so I can level my alts through.

[40:06] >> Void invasions were or Legion uh level up an alt. Yeah. Because like stuff would be exploding. You'd be like, "Oh, yeah, I'm level 10." But you'd like go up a level every time. So, um

[40:18] >> like it um Well, that was the pre- patch event, but yeah. Oh, no, no, sorry. The well. Yeah, I remember. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and uh like it should they Why [\h__\h] >> Like it's insane to me. I logged into an

[40:34] Yeah. >> And I was like, this is where I want to play the incursions. Like they're no use to me on my on my main unless I just want to grind it out. And it's like, why can't I

[40:48] do this on my on my on my alts? >> Like it's it's absolutely insane to me that you can't. It's like it's feels like a genuine real oversight. >> I had not realized that. It's because Tally, you need to be milked for your

[41:01] milked. >> You do? >> Um, >> I'd be so much more relaxed right now. this podcast, I tell you. >> Uh, yeah. Like you

[41:13] >> Uh, yeah. Like you >> maybe if I'm really good in the podcast. to go pick up the kids. >> I can do it. >> I'm down. >> You know, you know I can do it, Mommy.

[41:25] >> Yeah. But um yeah, it's it's funny cuz it's um Yeah, I think you have a good point there. uh if it was more alt friendly. I mean, I think it's marketed friendly. I mean, I think it's marketed as alt friendly, but it's like do 20

[41:38] void assaults uh or void ritual sites and uh you can get one piece of hero gear randomly. And it's like that doesn't feel good. to level through by not being able to like up the difficulty until your max

[41:53] level. Yeah. Um, and then and like I want to I want to be doing these like incursions and like you don't get the quests to do the incursions. Like I know they're still going on, >> but like why why do I why do I have to

[42:05] be max level to get anything from them, >> you know? Like this is perfect alt leveling stuff as will the showdowns, you know? Um I don't know what the XP is like from Deco Duels, but >> there's some good some good rewards in

[42:19] >> Yeah, there are some really good rewards. really good ones. I want but I still want to do a decor. I know. We should just We just need to do like some >> Well, we got to do them soon as well cuz people will not be doing decor.

[42:32] >> I'll be trying to do on Zoom now. my own mind. I just want to trust the >> Yeah. >> Um so like I I just like Yeah. For me

[42:46] something like that which doesn't help my main character. Uh especially when I want to push my myth plus rating on a raid. I want >> like I I should be able to go and experience that through alts leveling,

[42:59] >> you know, not just max level alts, leveling alts. Um because like if you if >> You can be like, well, you can still do it on your alts but only max levels. >> Yeah. >> If like if I'm only doing it for the

[43:12] grind to get the rewards, I'm going to do it on my main because my main is way more geared than my alts. It's going to be much easier to do to do that grindy content. So, I'm never going to go in there with alts. If I if I if I decide

[43:24] to grind it, it's going to be on my main unless I can level through it, you know? opportunity. So, please please if anyone's watching, please, >> if we're not blacklisted by going to F uh to FanFest,

[43:39] uh to FanFest, like uh please enable that [\h__\h] properly for uh leveling through, please. cuz I would have loved to have done some today was whereas I I I had a quick level of alts. Um gave up in the end because the

[43:52] game's still just [\h__\h] broken. I I literally every I I was going through a dungeon on my warlock den of Nalarak. Oh my god, I'm dreading that [\h__\h] dungeon coming into Plus. >> Oh my god, I'm dreading it.

[44:06] it's going to be an absolute cluster. [\h__\h] that dungeon. I can't No one's looking forward to Denal. And um I just like killed a boss and Evie was just this." >> And I looted the boss and my game just

[44:20] >> Yeah. >> Like my my PC just set on fire. Frozen. >> Everything is going to just go [\h__\h] My team were halfway across the dungeon by workable again cuz I tried to loot the boss. It happened every time I looted

[44:35] boss. It happened every time I looted anything. It was wild. Um so yeahing uh game Yeah. game's still quite broken. Um but uh lots of unreported changes uh well which we've reported on the um uh in the weekly reset. It was funny. I I

[44:51] like uh I read the patch notes for 12.0.7 and none of that housing stuff the tone that suggested that we were making it up or like and it's like

[45:03] >> I was like we've put all the sources in the video. It's there for you to we told you it's in the text. It's like Jesse Killing Chick, >> It's like there there's your source. The guy that makes it. What more do you

[45:16] >> Um but yeah, uh so stuff that isn't in the patch notes. We are getting a huge >> to exterior decor limits. Here it is, guys. >> I can finally finish my uh Frank Lloyd Wright house.

[45:30] >> Yeah, I can't wait to see that. >> I was like, "Oh, it's going to be good." And a huge buff. So, at the moment, the the exterior deck limit is 250. >> Mhm. >> It's going up to 350, which is a 40%

[45:43] >> At level seven. Yeah. Like, uh, an absolute [\h__\h] huge increase. Big >> like massive. Giving you an extra 100 decor limit to play with outside. course, you can have outdoor lighting out there now as well.

[45:56] going to be able to have loads of outdoor lighting cuz it can't like lighting sources can't be placed next to each other. There's like there's kind of >> Yeah, there's a hit box you have to get out of unfortunately. But nothing right

[46:11] can put windows add extra windows to your house and stuff now. Yeah. It's plans I got plans for all my properties. >> Oh, me too. Do you know what I'm going >> A back for your cottage. >> Yeah. Well, I'm actually going to tear

[46:23] >> and I'm going to rebuild I'm going to build like a teu version of the treehouse that's on the shop. >> Wait, I already I already built the teu but I'm going to you I already have a h like yeah have a treehouse, but I am

[46:38] literally going to try and recreate to the best of my ability using only the best of my ability using only non-shop items the $75 treehouse know how the shop I literally couldn't buy something from the shop if I wanted

[46:50] to. I don't know. Like, you know, as I've said before, if it's just me and my my buddy the credit card, we can get [\h__\h] from the shop, right? I'm like, "Oh, I fancy that." You know, my credit card details are in there. I'll just buy

[47:02] Company card details, I should say. And like it's for it's for video. Yeah. >> What's that? I need I need a WOW token for repairs. Well, uh but like when it

[47:16] I have no [\h__\h] concept. I couldn't tell you how much real world money that treehouse costs. And I know that's the I know that's the intention, but like I on me. Like whereas most people I guess are like, "Oh, I don't know how much it

[47:30] It >> obiscates. Yeah. The the like reality of >> For me, I'm such a tight ass because I don't instant and also incredibly lazy. in real world terms, I'm just not going to [\h__\h] buy it.

[47:45] >> I'm like, well, I can't be bothered looking up how much that actually costs. >> My Wow character already has so many currencies like so many currencies with, you know, like 51 left over from BFA. And there are so

[48:01] many of them that I can't bear to have another like little bank of a little like bag of Hearthsteel knocking around that hasn't been like fully spent. >> Yeah. Oh, exactly. Exactly. >> Yeah. I I I can't do it.

[48:16] >> I can't do it. I say that now, but >> No, I I Well, now I' I've said it so can't even back down now. One of the reasons I went so vehemently on the insurance policy against myself. >> Exactly. I can't buy half steel now.

[48:31] now? >> It's such a confusing. >> People would laugh at me like, "Oh, you wouldn't buy." No, he has. He's dick. They're not getting one penny out of me for half steel. [\h__\h] him.

[48:45] >> No, absolutely. Uh >> change it to money. I might buy it. that [\h__\h] [\h__\h] it all the way to the sea. >> Um how have you your experience with rerolls and stuff, Beam? Uh, well, I

[48:57] rerolls and stuff, Beam? Uh, well, I finally am in like Desimus' esteem and he's now given me rerolls. And because I hadn't Oh, you were before. you have to wait? >> Uh, no. The catchup is literally like,

[49:09] "Hey, um, suddenly Desimus has like three different quests." He's like, "Hey, you want that bonus reroll? Give me 5,000 gold or give me 2,000 void me 5,000 gold or give me 2,000 void light marl or give me what was it? Some

[49:23] other currency." He literally was like, "You want a c?" You know, it wasn't even you want some of these?" I was like, "Yeah." So, like, I did one of each veteran crest. Yeah, exactly. Veteran crest. Like, what the [\h__\h] am I going

[49:37] to, you know, veteran crest? Exactly. Well, I actually spent all my veteran crests last week uh to like upgrade to champion crest to upgrade to blah blah. And I regretted it instantly. The second I got to him, I was like, "Oh [\h__\h]

[49:50] veteran quest on." Obviously, I spent gold. >> Holy [\h__\h] man. >> Um, so yeah, I I I just I just have them now. And of course, I'm like, well, I

[50:02] haven't done any keys recently. I haven't done any heroic bosses recently, neighborhood guild is is on is doing heroic, so I should jump on, but they >> Sorry, we'll come back to this, but chat is telling me that actually I can buy

[50:18] the treehouse for real money >> without hear. only with in the bundle pay the pay for the hearth steel. Wait a minute. We're opening the shop right >> we're going to go and have a look. Hang on. So, oh my No. So, large starter

[50:35] decor pack. I don't want that. But I can buy that just for 30 bucks, right? which is like 45 bucks now. >> But that gives me 2,500 steel. I don't want that [\h__\h] cluttering up my life. So, then you got the house, the cozy

[50:49] retreat bundle. That's That's just for sale for Hearth steel. >> Uh the houses themselves just for sale for Hearth Steel. So where's the It for >> for for hard cash. Mine. Everything else

[51:02] >> It is um >> uh was like if it was money, I still approve of it, but I could be tempted one day to do it in a in a peak. >> One day when I'm pee, I could be like, >> "What if you start getting Hearthsteel

[51:16] with like expansions and other things. What if they start giving it to you against your will? >> Well, then I'd be duty down bound to inventory, >> right? But what if there's not quite

[51:29] that they give you? >> Yeah. Okay. The rugs. The rugs. Oh, I So I could buy rugs and get half steel. Yeah, but No. steel on the houses. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[51:42] for money and then and then spend the steel. But I No, that would still be Yeah, unless the houses are on there for cash. And like the whole argument, >> the whole argument for Hearthsteel was they were like, "Oh, yeah, but we want

[51:58] to let you buy things for like basically no money. Like these items are going to be so cheap that it doesn't make sense to have like money purchases. That's why we're doing that's why we're doing like har because like the actual transactions

[52:11] would be so small that it would be silly because then you'd be using your card your credit card to spend like 50 cents on a thing and it's like oh it's like oh really really then why do I have to spend 7,500 [\h__\h] or 4,000

[52:26] >> Oh >> why do I have to spend the equivalent of like I don't know what even that is but whatever it is that's not micro is it? I know. And it's a shame because they are they are they're beautifully done.

[52:38] talked about this. >> No design. No dev has ever made this. >> No. Exactly. Decision, right? Right. Like they they you know, the designers have made the art and the art itself is really beautiful and whimsical and like

[52:53] >> Oh, it's great. It's it's really really good. Not as good as my treehouse that I made obviously, but it's it's up there. It's really cool. I really like it. And It's really cool. I really like it. And yeah, it's uh yeah, it it makes me mad

[53:05] and angry. And it still looks like a dick and balls. windows. Someone in chat was like, "No, it looks like a nose." Tally, your nose looks like a dick and balls, mate. That's all I've learned about you. All I

[53:18] dick and balls. >> If that's what you think it looks like, dick and balls, mate. >> Um anyway, we we complain about this a lot laughing, so I'm not even going to get now. Sorry. But uh anyway, yeah.

[53:32] treehouse. Is that what you're saying? >> And I think uh loads of like housing cuz I know that and they will do it better than me, but just out of principle, I want to do it myself. >> I think that's a great idea that you do

[53:44] realize, don't you, that that means we will have two tree houses next to each >> Can we do that on those pots? >> There are some there are a couple of uh building mouse. >> Oh, yeah. They're the bridge the cottage

[53:58] wizard. >> Oh, good. So good. I love it. Absolutely >> It was It was beautiful. And we were looking at those uh plots before before we're like, I bet you can link things on these two plots. And I think our two

[54:12] clipping. it's a funny angle like that. Those two plots are perfect for if we can get a >> Yeah. >> Come 12.0. That'd be great.

[54:28] My treehouse is so great. >> It's a good treehouse. >> Yeah. Better than this tree house. >> I'm a big fan. >> So, uh any other thoughts on uh the current patch or indeed 12.0.7 instruct

[54:41] >> We um we talk about this in uh on the weekly there's an episode of the weekly reset out. Have a have a look at that. Yeah, >> Um definitely do check it out. Um and uh yeah we we we talk about uh a lot of

[54:57] stuff there but in some of the comments um which I I tend to agree with at least for the people who are like ah you know what I I came into WoW you know I came back to WoW or I've been in WoW for a while this patch makes me feel

[55:12] overwhelmed by the sheer amount of content. But once I stopped and looked at it and went uh uh I I don't have to do everything then I felt okay about it. And I think that's

[55:26] just kind of a big shift for a lot of players. I think that's probably it can I you know considering the direction that uh WOW is going in in the way it that uh WOW is going in in the way it delivers uh these patches in the way it

[55:40] delivers all these little like micro events that's probably like a healthy mindset to get into and be like you know what I don't have to do this I don't have to do everything um which sounds so simple

[55:53] but it's hard right >> what you're saying is 100% true and whereas I think there are issues isues with the patches at the moment. I they're coming too fast or anything like that as we go into in the weekly reset.

[56:07] that as we go into in the weekly reset. And I think it it it does require players to shift their mindset slightly because I'm the same. Like I see that [\h__\h] Abyss Anglers thing up in my map up there in the corner. And like I I've

[56:22] been playing this game for 20 years. I'm so wow pill that I'm like what am I losing by not doing that I you know there are gap I'm a fill the bar kind of

[56:34] guy that and I'm not doing that so that bar is not filled right and it's like >> what am I missing out on by not doing that what am I losing and because you know we're so used to every feature that they made uh and it's got at it absolute

[56:49] worst in in uh Shadowlands and BFA is like well we need people to play these attach >> important rewards to them. >> So, we're, you know, and that turns a smores board into a shopping list. And

[57:02] that was the whole problem. But it's not a shopping list anymore. It is a smores board like it was always meant to be. So, there's that thing of like you you like identify what it is you want and then do it. And you know what? If you

[57:15] don't have time to do the incursions and the ritual sites now, you're not going to miss out on those rewards even because they're not going anywhere. They're gonna be there forever, >> you know. This isn't like

[57:28] thing, >> you know. Um like getting getting uh Keystone Myth season 1 midnight. You're not going to be able to do that next ritual sites. You can still go and get that currency. You can still go and get

[57:41] you're finding one to do them with. Likewise, Abyss Anglers, right? They're of midnight. >> They're going to be there forever. these things. >> That's a good point. I maybe maybe

[57:56] they're not selling that enough. Like I I I actually think people don't think of that type of content as everlasting as evergreen because they're used to things seasons. >> Exactly. And and like uh I I think once

[58:09] like, well, what's the reason to do them? >> Your your warbound veteran gear or whatever or your championship and it's like, well, okay, sure, maybe that. And there's like a particle keys, you void

[58:21] like mal, all that [\h__\h] right? And it's like, yeah, fine, whatever. But mostly like, yeah, fine, whatever. But mostly it's these it's these like uh cosmetic rewards. Um, and it's like, yeah, yeah, I do want those cosmetic rewards. Is it

[58:35] more important than me clearing the raid while it's current current? No. Is it keystone myth while I can this season? No. It for me, those things are more important. And you know, there will be a point

[58:48] into 12.1 where I am actually looking for other things to do and I'll go and >> and I'll be really happy that you know there's a reason for me to log in and whole lot more if I could do it in leveling up my alts. That would be great

[59:01] with one stone territory right there. That would be amazing. That would be where how I would really engage with it and really enjoy it. But okay, fine. Um, and like that's that's the mindset that I think players need to get into because

[59:16] saying you're dumb if you don't think like this. It's your fault. I'm not saying that. But I think we look at these things popping up and we hear about the new thing coming, this new event or what have you. And you know,

[59:30] another event, isn't it? It's another timed event. It's not particularly are quite fun to go through. They're quite fun to do, but the idea of it is >> Um, >> like, but yeah, it's like why I I guess

[59:46] stop and think, why am I why am I doing this? What is it I want to get from it? And, you know, you'll realize very soon that you don't have to do it all. And I content, which I'm probably going to come to at the end of the patch or at

[1:00:01] the end of the expansion or later on, I'd rather that was like dripped out over patches than all dumped in the last patch or whatever or like, you know. >> Yeah, definitely. >> I think I So, so I kind of I'm becoming,

[1:00:14] good. I think it's good for the game that that this [\h__\h] is in there. I think it's great. And just because I don't want to engage with it now, uh, doesn't quite cool and that I won't enjoy it later on. And I think that kind of

[1:00:30] long-termism in the game is to be encouraged, honestly. I think I I think >> Yeah, totally. I think I think that's really important. Mhm. >> Um, what I would like to see more of, and I said this in the weekly reset, and

[1:00:43] I said this last week actually, and I I I am even more of that mindset. Now, I would like to see a bit more differentiation between the purposes of the the uh of the patches. And I think this might be quite

[1:00:58] important just from an an optics kind of point of view, right? and simplifying don't feel overwhelmed because whether or not they should feel overwhelmed whether or not you know oh well you should be in the right mindset to

[1:01:12] stuff and you shouldn't be overwhelmed you know five head true >> uh people do feel overwhelmed right so what can we do to help them like not you know and I don't think the answer is like slower patches my god

[1:01:26] I can't believe people are like genuinely suggesting natural reaction to feeling overwhelmed >> like oh wait I remember the bad off the ride I oh yeah yeah yeah we we do

[1:01:39] remember the bad times >> I remember the bad times and like so I think a like a differentiation in the purposes of.5 and 7 patches would be purposes are already there >> okay yeah absolutely there's a pattern

[1:01:53] >> if you yeah yeah if you actually look at it a.5 patch is little new systems and stuff like that and like these events and [\h__\h] like that and a.7 patch is very much more story focused. >> You wouldn't know that with the way that

[1:02:07] they have advertised 12.0.7. >> Like people look at the ominous like the new kind of talent tree thing and they're like, "Oh, great. Another Cersei >> No, it's not >> the omnium.

[1:02:21] >> Ominous. >> Ominous. Yeah. You It's It's not It's not a Cersei sign to grind. It asks nothing of you. go along to quest every week and that's it. >> Uh, it's like rerolls. Rerolls aren't

[1:02:34] right? >> No choices made on these. No, like it's >> Well, there are choices. There are a couple choices like uh do you want void orbs or do you want like a a light [\h__\h] thing, right? And either you can

[1:02:47] void or there'll be one that's better for the thing you're doing and pick that one. Um, who cares? I'm going to go void because you get cool orbs go. It's really fun. Um, and like but actually the best stuff in

[1:03:02] 12.0.7 is the story. >> The best stuff in there and it won't They've they've already said the story will start later. Yes. Like I said in three since there are five chapters to it.

[1:03:14] >> sense, right? >> Um, and like the story is really good. of it. Mhm. >> Uh, and I I I I am, you know, always

[1:03:27] going to bang this drum of for patch story content, you know, for for mid patch story content, just dump it all at once. Like, yeah, just just dump it all at once. I think there is always an argument to be

[1:03:42] made in MMOs for like making the story a weekly thing. Sometimes I think that can really effective with Voidspire and Marching Calennas and stuff to have like this thing that was happening over a few weeks, right? And like the developments

[1:03:55] of it. I think it worked with the War of Thorns to do that. I think in the majority of cases though, just dumping the story all in one go. Let people do patch. Like >> let the story enjoyers enjoy the story.

[1:04:08] When I've done that on PTR and I've been allowed to play all the chapters at allowed to play all the chapters at once, like with um like with Caresh, >> I enjoyed the stories way more than when

[1:04:22] they went live and I had to wait, >> you know, for them to be unlocked over story enjoyers enjoy the story and they enjoy it more when you just let them play all of it, >> right? Um I'm so like,

[1:04:35] >> let them do it. Let them have it. Please, God, let them have it. Um, and I story cuz I think PTR, unfortunately, is the best way to play the story without >> Um, so, but what I would like to see is I'd like to see them really, really lean

[1:04:49] into that. I'd like them to be like, "Okay guys, you ready for the.5 patch, "Okay guys, you ready for the.5 patch, 12.0.5, 12.1.5, 12.2.5. This is the system stuff. Here's the events and stuff like that." Yeah. And then I'd

[1:05:02] even though they are kind of doing this already, they're just not making enough of it. Be like, "Are you ready for the story patch? Here it comes, guys. Loads overwhelmed. They don't feel like they're getting more of the same stuff

[1:05:15] all the time. Do you know what I mean? So because I think that's that's what's of overwhelmingness. It's like, well, I haven't really got to grips with these like a half hour timer or a two-day timer or something like that, and you're

[1:05:27] giving me more of these events with showdowns and [\h__\h] And it's like, well, actually really it's just it's just story, raid as well, but you know, that's a different thing entirely as well. Um,

[1:05:40] different thing entirely as well. Um, and like I I really like to see them >> lean into that. I'd like to see them be like.5 is uh systems patch, events patch, 7 is story patch. >> I I give us more more story as well.

[1:05:54] just like >> bop it. Give us big old story. Yeah, I love a big old story. >> And you know, 12.0.5 has kind of got that 12.0.7 Revelation has kind of got that.

[1:06:09] >> Yeah. So, uh I don't know if I've got a Bluebot spoiler bot here right now. >> Oh, surely this is Redbot. >> No, this is bluebot. Uh may I remind you >> Oh, yes, please remind me system and our listeners. So, a bluebot is stuff that

[1:06:23] listeners. So, a bluebot is stuff that is visible on the PTR that Blizz are >> Okay? >> So, that's like any story quests they've Okay? >> You know, like so that means dungeon

[1:06:36] Blizzard isn't trying to keep secret. >> Okay. It's a spoiler. Yes, what happens in the story chapter right now, I've spoiled you. It's not like red bot spoiler is for data mine [\h__\h] stuff that Blizzard don't even want you to

[1:06:51] see. >> I mean whether they want you to see it or not. But yes, >> It's on the PTR >> clues in the name, but it's on the PTR.

[1:07:04] It's visible. Blizz knows are like, okay, you can see this, you know. Um, and a red bot spoiler is something which uh, yeah, we've had to dig and find and kind of maybe break something to get, which there's a lot of, you know.

[1:07:18] >> Um, so we are going to go into blue bot spoiler territory here. >> Oh. >> Um, yeah. >> Oh, wait a minute. Hey. Okay. So, it's a red bot spoiler because I don't have the

[1:07:32] on. >> Maybe you can do >> Yeah. Uh, as soon as I as soon as I find it again. Where did he go? Oh, there it is. There he is. Okay, we can I'm sure I can just change the image. Hang on.

[1:07:44] Look, >> you got that. Yeah, >> Okay, blueot spoiler bot time. There's me. I'm professional. He's kind of >> There he is. >> Where's my my blueot spoiler hat?

[1:07:57] >> Yeah. >> Sitting on your head. >> So, uh Yeah. So, from this point forward, we'll be talking about uh the 12.0.7 story quests, which like Tally says are

[1:08:10] on the PTR. Um, but if you don't want to hear about them, >> And maybe don't look at chat while we're talking about it. You'll know when we bar off if I >> Exactly. Exactly. And we'll mark this in

[1:08:22] watching later. >> If you're listening on uh a like podcast listening platform, might be a bit more complicated. Apologies.

[1:08:37] >> Oh, wait. Let me open my group again so people can come back into there. >> Oh, >> start the group. the group? >> I am I am in the group.

[1:08:50] >> Uh let's see. >> You are the leader. Um okay. So, >> Lots of things to talk about here. uh the main thrust of which you'll have gathered from the title and uh thumbnail of this podcast. But the title uh the uh

[1:09:06] story starts off quite nicely. I think you get summoned to the den, the haron era are there because uh they want to reveal a bit of

[1:09:18] >> Okay. >> And to the night elves and to the >> And to the night elves and to the nighttor and to the high elves and the nighttor and to the high elves and the uh render, the void elves and also to

[1:09:32] the Ammani trolls and also to the dark spear trolls and also to the Xandelari trolls. That's a big That's a big crowd. >> Love the Xandelari trolls. So glad gathering there and you know it's one of my favorite things where you just get to

[1:09:47] characters for a long time. Love that [\h__\h] That [\h__\h] is incredibly exciting. >> Yeah. And what what is actually like really uh pleasing about it. There's been a lot of talk about was the unification of the elves too quick. you

[1:10:00] know, are we going to be ignoring kind of unresolved differences that were >> uh for a little bit for the March on Kenas and like are we going to pretend because we all fought in the same army for a bit or are we going to actually

[1:10:15] that? We actually asked Paul Ka about that. Uh and he said, "No, no, we will >> Thanks, Paul. >> If I'm completely honest with you, I didn't believe him. >> It did feel a little bit boilerplate. It

[1:10:29] >> Yeah, definitely. I hear your concerns. >> There are signs. There are signs he might be telling the truth. Uh, you know, fair play, Paul, because I know I know the been giving you a bit of [\h__\h] for that uh um interview. And uh like

[1:10:42] on that one. And um >> you know, so so you go and you talk to like, >> "Oh, I [\h__\h] hate all these guys." >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Yeah. I know we all just

[1:10:55] guys, they they [\h__\h] suck, man. I hate them. They they we got generations of war and murder like going back. We got a bad bad history, right? So, um it's great. Uh like seeing Rocan as leader of the dark spear, you forget and

[1:11:11] like you." >> You know, I mean, you're like like uh >> You know, I mean, you're like like uh kind of Teu last uh troll guy. But he's

[1:11:23] kind of Teu last uh troll guy. But he's he's he's cool, right? Um Bulggin. Yeah. But I like him. He's He's good. And so that's a good setup. And then there's a then there's a cut scene which is not in the game yet. But the Oh, let

[1:11:36] me let me pull up my file. Actually, I'm going to open my my uh going to open my um >> drive. So, uh might just Oh, no. when I'm streaming, I open my drive. I have little problems. But looks like

[1:11:48] we're okay here. Yeah. Okay. >> Uh so Oh, okay. It might might take a moment. So, the cut scene comes up and it reveals that the Haraneer have it reveals that the Haraneer have revealed to all of the trolls and all of

[1:12:00] the uh elves that are gathered that they share a common ancestor and that they're share a common ancestor and that they're all related from way back when.

[1:12:12] >> And I know what you're thinking. >> You're thinking, "We knew that. Why is that news?" And you're right. We did. We did kind of know that. Yeah. It's kind did kind of know that. Yeah. It's kind of like common knowledge that uh

[1:12:24] >> you know the elves and the >> elves and trolls trolls are linked, know who they were. They were the dark trolls. They were hanging out by the um well of eternity and you know it had

[1:12:36] like magical effects on them but some of the dark trolls like nah and they [\h__\h] turned into night elves. We know this. This is like the history. We know this This is like the history. We know this through the internet and Wowedia and I

[1:12:49] knowledge right like >> so yeah exactly and there are two issues with this kind of reveal right before we get on to anything else and and one is like yeah well I thought we knew this >> and I'm not sure if this is like a

[1:13:03] >> and the other is actually that um you know the change in it does change something and it's it's not great um but so first of all the did we all know this thing. I mean, people point to like quests in uh Surumar, you know, when

[1:13:20] Sur before Night Hold and like a lot of the elves are all there gathering together, Horde and Alliance to to march on on Surumar. And uh one of the world quests back then had the Horde side uh going into like the night elf camps and

[1:13:35] leaving like uh little kind of carvings of trolls and stuff and like graffiti being like your ancestors. Haha. And if they're not all then they're in trouble at some point, right? Um but yeah. Uh and like um so so you know there's

[1:13:49] definitely a case to be made that everyone knew this [\h__\h] And I mean I I don't know. What do you think? >> It it has felt like common knowledge in the WoW community for the past >> several years. Um

[1:14:02] >> maybe just because we are very connected to that community. For like a player who isn't particularly online, that will probably be a surprise, right? would be though. I don't know. I know.

[1:14:14] characters in game know it? I care about like people. What do they know? know. Actually, I haven't I haven't really considered it that way. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, asking you to consider it right now. You don't you

[1:14:28] don't think like >> I don't know. Um >> right? >> I would guess that they do. apparently it's quite a a revelation to all of them. Here we go. Here's the

[1:14:43] here's the here's the thing. >> Zujan arrives at the gathering blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Uh, okay. She goes on to reveal that they all descend from a common ancestry. So, that's pretty r that's pretty vague.

[1:14:57] >> Who who tells them that? >> Uh, like the mother he the uh um the uh haraneer girl. Yeah. >> But the implication though because obviously we don't know the words that are said in the cinematic but the

[1:15:11] implication from what people are saying afterwards is that they don't actually all descend from a common ancestry or they do but that common ancestry is the hariner. Like it's like they were all Haraneer and it was Haraneer that were

[1:15:25] up there and then the Hariner split up and like some Haraneer went looking for uh like the the voice um the radiant song and went down to the cradle and >> Uh but >> I mean they didn't change. They were

[1:15:39] always haraneer and the hariner that got left up on the surface changed into dark trolls you know. Is that is that um >> that's the implication from from the language that they're using uh in little speeches after when when you talk to

[1:15:54] >> So maybe that's not true, but that's what you know far like cuz I always pictured it as being >> there was a common ancestor >> there was a common ancestor >> and then that common ancestor split off

[1:16:07] >> and the ones that went looking for the for the radiant song became Haraneer and trolls. And many of you will think

[1:16:25] and then the Hariner that split off and just didn't change became dark trolls. That's not the same as having a common ancestor. That's like

[1:16:37] you were all haraneer once and now you're not. that places her as like the ultimate OG race from which other races are descended. And that's a hu that's a interesting. >> No, I don't think so either. I I maybe

[1:16:52] that's going to be changed. Maybe that's not totally set in stone. how he would be like evolution actually works. Well, I No, I mean, not not really. No, no, but um there are loads of kind of like uh common ancestors for

[1:17:07] exist anymore because they split off and all turned into different things, right? Um and like you know, we've seen how easy uh species change in in World of night elves that split off because they wanted to continue practicing magic and

[1:17:22] went to the Eastern Kingdoms, they turned into high elves like that, >> Yeah. You know, >> but I think something something is like, oh, these are these are the originals, right? Like this race that has just been

[1:17:35] right? Like this race that has just been introduced in War Within and uh you troll players, night off players, uh you know, who have been playing like from day one. Nah, not as important. Do you know what I mean? That's kind of the the

[1:17:50] people from an evolutionary point of view. It's like, well, you're telling me that the haraneer were up on the surface with all like those spines and fungus and undergroundy [\h__\h] Really? It's like it makes more sense if like that became

[1:18:04] part of them >> because they were underground looking for the radiant song, right? Like for me, and okay, lots of you aren't going think it's a difference, but for me, I I realize it's stupid, but it matters to

[1:18:18] me. I think it would have been way better if they had all been dark trolls and the dark trolls had split off and like the dark trolls that stayed up >> became uh night elves because they were by the

[1:18:31] the other dark trolls that went off somewhere else like you know there aren't any dark trolls basically anymore but they they're the ones that stayed as went underground became the haroner and stuff like that. I'd like to see the

[1:18:43] dark trolls be the the the kind of if there is a common ancestor that is still around. Oh, I agree. I agree that it would change less of the law. It would It made more sense with the whole like undergroundy vibe of the har,

[1:18:59] >> I feel Yeah. And again, like, you know, I feel like more players would be oh, hey, trolls, like dark trolls, we all come from this thing. This is familiar. This is old. This has been in the game for a long time. This is fine.

[1:19:13] But I think be you know introducing her is like oh no we are we are the OGs is like oh no we are we are the OGs actually we've been here all along and I >> I just I think it's playing into critics's hands. I think like ain't

[1:19:29] escaping the Hariner the chosen people allegations with that one. Uh and and comments like this sounds like a push for BLM saying that the first people were black AK harin as if trolls aren't black people anyway right

[1:19:44] the trolls have always kind of been >> I'm really glad I've never encountered that comment in the wild but what I mean is it gives ammunition to people like that and it's like it could just been easier to have avoided that right um so

[1:19:58] for me it's like interesting I know that like from the very second Harane were them as like proto trolls, right? So, it fits in with that and in fact >> discovered a a really really interesting interview with um uh Maria and who's the

[1:20:15] >> in Gamescom? >> Uh Gabe. >> Pardon? No, not Gabe. Uh not sorry, not uh uh sorry. Anyway, I I'll come back to it. Uh no, no, but not Gabe, isn't it? It's not what I'm talking about. Um, but

[1:20:29] there's an interview from Before Dragonflight. >> Okay. >> Where they say we're going to meet proto >> Oh, >> it's a throwaway line. They're talking

[1:20:42] Are you going to see like volcanoes and like lava and [\h__\h] Are you going to >> there's an interview where they say we're going to meet proto trolls in >> Obviously, we don't. Now, we know they were probably talking about the

[1:20:54] haraneer originally going to be in dragon flight. >> We we really have been pushing them back. always used the term proto trolls to

[1:21:08] >> Sure proto elves. >> So okay fine. I'm obviously just making a mountain out of this molehill. But for me it doesn't sit quite right. That's >> I agree with you completely and it just feels silly. I don't want to use the

[1:21:20] term shoehorning, but it's like, yeah, we've introduced this whole new race of, you know, these kind of cool like, yeah, proto elven mushroom people, uh, quillbore people, and, uh, I'm h, you know, they're fun. They're cool. I'm

[1:21:34] happy for them to be there. But then to be like, they're very, very important. They're actually kind of, and it's like that's that feels. million times, but I actually I don't think this actually changes what I like

[1:21:46] about the heronics, everyone's like, "Oh, they're like Mary Sue. They're like this this super important chosen race." And it's like, "No, they're not. >> They kind of [\h__\h] up. >> The thing I like about them is how [\h__\h]

[1:21:59] they are. Like I genuinely cuz I think it's quite clever. You know how like the thing I like about uh a Realm Reborn, just cuz I was watching some old videos like um is that the the moment Realm Reborn was sold to me

[1:22:12] >> was when uh you know when Alfa was putting together his little kind of like >> Yeah. >> And I was like, "Oh, this is [\h__\h] >> And I was like, "Oh, this is [\h__\h] This is dumb, man." Because like this is

[1:22:25] >> Alfo. He's like a kid and he's getting all these old soldiers together. There's him. That's so stupid because I convinced it was just showing us how all just turn on him. >> They all like overthrow him and do a

[1:22:38] mutiny and like, "Oh shit." And that's the minute I was sold on the Realm >> "That's brilliant." I was not expecting them to actually do the thing that they like obviously turn on this kid and be like, "Fuck off, posh boy." Um, and like

[1:22:52] that. And I love with Hariner that everyone's like, "Oh, they're they're the chosen people." Blizz shoehorned them in as the chosen people. It's like they think they are maybe, but they're definitely not. And it's like

[1:23:04] >> they were like, "Okay, let's we can hear the song. Let's go and find the song." And then they spend like thousands of years getting to the center of the earth so they can find the song. And when they get there, the world soul's gone.

[1:23:17] >> Yeah. They're like, "Oh." >> And they're like, "What should we do? Should we carry on looking for it?" And then they're like, "Nah,

[1:23:29] stay underground. They don't even know what's going on up there. And then even worse, it turns out if you've been doing your Harere legendary quests, which I like it turns out some of them actually

[1:23:42] knew that the world soul had been stolen and imprisoned. The reason they were dedicate ourselves to the world soul. Let's go and find it. Yeah. thought it was and it wasn't there. And then some of them know that it's been

[1:23:56] imprisoned. Their god has been imprisoned. And they purposely don't "Oh, we can't tell the rest of the Hariner because the rest of the Hariner will want to go and rescue it." Yes.

[1:24:09] can't Don't phone the fire brigade and tell them that our house on fire. They'll only want to come and put the fire out." YES. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO TELL THEM, >> RIGHT? And so the air, they're [\h__\h]

[1:24:21] useless. >> They're so dumb. And but no, but I love that about spoiler bots gone. Oh, where did the spoil go? Where did that? Why? >> Why did it go? I guess because I changed the uh Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Thank

[1:24:33] you for pointing that out. >> Yeah. Just in case someone jumps on actually I don't have the spoiler bot on this one. >> Oh, no. I do. I do. >> There we go. Hey, there we

[1:24:46] >> missing it. Yeah. Sorry about that. I don't know why it's this No, I can't do it. It's just me there. Sorry. Um, so like you know, uh, saying that as a criticism. I actually think that's good. I think I think

[1:25:01] that's good writing. They're useless. They're scared. They're insular. They're just not as cool as everyone assumes that Blizz want them to be. And I think that's on purpose and I really like it. >> And, you know, them being the kind of

[1:25:14] progeni progenitors of all the trolls and elves, I I kind of takes them back is why I'm a bit to it, I guess, is what I'm saying. Yeah. >> But no, like yeah, people say that the law of the hariner doesn't make sense,

[1:25:26] but that's cuz they come to it with the assumption that Blizz wants them to be Mary Sue. Cuz if you're like, >> "Oh, the hariner and Mary Sus," then the >> But it's your assumption which is wrong. It's not the law. If you just take the

[1:25:39] [\h__\h] >> They're just rubbish, you know, like they suck." >> And I think that's intended genuinely. Anyway, um so anyway, like the different people

[1:25:53] >> Yes. >> Uh Leaddin is surprisingly chill about always been like rumored that this was the case and I I guess it's one of those things that some people know better than others depending on which culture you

[1:26:07] people that believe we haven't been to the moon. Uh maybe maybe you'd put it at the level of like Noah's Arc. Okay, we've all heard the

[1:26:19] >> Some people believe it to be literal fact. Some people uh believe it to be kind of based in fact, but not really. And some people just don't think it happened at all. Right. Um now, if that turned out to be true and Noah's arc

[1:26:35] then there would be people who weren't surprised about it at all. no [\h__\h] We've known this all along." But there'd be people who were very know, there are some people who haven't even heard of Noah's Arc probably in the

[1:26:48] be like, "Oh, this is all news to me." should think about it. It's like just because something is well known and and sort of like, you know, >> I don't believe Moses happened. Just for

[1:27:00] think so either. >> Good. great stuff where it's like why why did the Haron tell us this like you know do

[1:27:16] now? I [\h__\h] hate these guys. >> What's the what's their motivation? reminding us how much they will hate each other which I think is really important really good after the uh like all the the Martian color stuff. Plus

[1:27:32] >> Oh hell yeah. No idea why. He's apparently just really important in the >> He's just an important guy. >> And he's got voice lines and Zakan is >> Oh, that's exciting. >> I was like genuinely excited.

[1:27:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. Happy to see him back. >> So excited to see Tangi and it's really all these guards just like she's going like no one's getting near her. It's like, "Oh, I think this is a really great thing." And everyone's like, "Shut

[1:27:59] up. Why are you even here, dude? What the [\h__\h] man? Um, and uh, one of the people who has the most negative reactions about it is Zuljan.

[1:28:12] >> Zujan. Zujan. >> Like a soft J. >> And he's like, >> "This is some bullshit." >> Okay. >> And Ora, who you know knows him, is

[1:28:27] >> "Zujan, I promise you this is true >> and I can I can give you proof." Mhm. >> And he's like, "Nah." And they take them down to the den of echoes. >> And I got to say, >> what's your feeling about Harendar as a

[1:28:40] zone in Midnight? Where's it where's it sit on the pantheon of zones for you? sit on the pantheon of zones for you? >> Uh I I really like it. I I really enjoy it. Um it's probably like my least visited zone at the moment.

[1:28:52] >> the one I spend the least time in until I start farming my moths and then I'll >> Your moths. >> Moths. No, I was just repeating like to emphasize. Yeah, your moths. Explain. >> Well, you you collect the moths to get

[1:29:05] >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Why do you want the dust lord? Why do you want Why do you want Ben Shapiro's >> Just in case you're ever roleplaying as

[1:29:18] >> I just think it's a really cool title. that the thing? >> It would suit a Vulpira. I think it's Yeah. Choo choo choo. Um >> but yes um other the Harendar I haven't

[1:29:32] >> haven't explored that zone very much. >> I haven't spent loads of time there. No >> no no. Um and like you know Harendar has got like these these big cave networks Harendar >> delve. Oh yeah. I'm always there. I'm

[1:29:46] always doing the uh whatever memories >> and and going into Den of Echo again with Zuljan. You're like oh [\h__\h] This is cool. It's really cool down here. It's [\h__\h] awesome. And um they uh they go down there and you know they're

[1:29:59] like uh they she shows him a vision of what the Ammani el the Ammani trolls greatest victory. >> Which was they don't go into specifics about it. They don't name the enemy, but

[1:30:14] it's the black empire and it's like it's it's the it's you know it's the old gods and and and stuff like that. And uh it's Kithics. Okay. Yeah. So, we know

[1:30:27] Kithics. Okay. Yeah. So, we know from Chronicle that Kithix was a black empire general, like the baddest black empire general, and he and the Armani empire general, and he and the Armani trolls defeated him. Uh, and he is he is

[1:30:41] underneath a Talaman, >> right? So that ritual site, there's probably quite a lot of meaning as to why the Twilight's blade want to do a

[1:30:53] >> There you go. Makes sense. >> Because according to Chronicle, Kithics, this this Black Empire uh general is buried under there. We've talked about times now when we've been speculating about 12.1. And they don't mention

[1:31:07] Kithics by name, but they use like the Black Empire kind of like big dude like uh kind of um >> one arm like I love that guy. My favorite Black Empire general like like like the guy in uh Zandelari in BFA,

[1:31:25] along and like zaps the mid and breaks the big wheel. >> So So that baddy, I forget what his name is, but that baddy was supposed to be >> in the files he was called Kithix. >> Interesting.

[1:31:38] his name turned out as Cithix or something I think in the end. Um and in fact where we where he comes back to life in BFA was called the aisle of >> So I think they were going to do a Kithic

[1:31:53] mind. Like that's that's too much of a recon. It's supposed to be in Zulaman. We'll wait till we go back to Mithrax. Thank you. Um, and you know, we'll wait we'll do it then. >> And lo and behold, they're doing it now.

[1:32:06] >> Good news. >> Um, yeah. And, uh, let's see if I can just like move this spoiler bot. Where's it gone? I can't I can't find it anymore.

[1:32:20] I can't I can't find it anymore. >> There we go. Up. Up. >> There he goes. >> There we are. Just move that out of the >> You can just put him there. >> Yeah, put him there. Put him there. Big

[1:32:33] >> Um and uh so they they don't mention Kithics by name, I don't think, but uh Kithics by name, I don't think, but uh they uh she takes him to uh the Den of

[1:32:45] >> Okay. >> And uh shows him this vision of how they actually defeated Kithix. And it turns out it's not quite how

[1:32:58] Zuljan had been taught that all of like the Armani came together. This is part an important part of uh Zujan's together and against all odds, they defeated this black empire general. Um

[1:33:12] >> it's revealed that actually that's not what happened. Instead, a bunch of priests, Ammani priests came together and they did a big ritual and they they

[1:33:25] and they did a big ritual and they they pulled out of the rift of Alm >> Okay. >> So, just like uh the dream rift boss. >> Uhhuh. >> Um Chimeis. Chimeas is like a nightmare,

[1:33:38] a literal kind of cry of pain from the world soul. When the world soul was stolen from the cradle, there was this cry of pain created the rift of al and like there are nightmares in there. >> Chimeis is one of them. Well, there was

[1:33:54] another one who they pulled out themselves to fight against uh kithics and that was the snake nightmare. We'll call it Oolletch. >> They called it Oolletch. Uh and I've got some film here of them all fighting.

[1:34:09] That's that there's right there. this big snake which Oolletch is mentioned in big snake which Oolletch is mentioned in the RPG the World of Warcraft RPG. >> Oh, that's a deep cut. I love that. >> Yeah. And and like is is uh on a map of

[1:34:26] never got used. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Uh like of of uh like Zulan and like the fangs is there as well and stuff like that. So, you know, if you've been

[1:34:39] Reset, we've been talking about this a lot. This is why I I'm not a law genius I've been doing a lot of research on this, and we talked about it a lot. Um, >> Oolletch defeated Kithix. They never say it's Kifix, but

[1:34:54] >> Okay. >> Um, and under Zulu, man, like it says in Chronicle, I'd imagine they probably did. And then they've got Ulletch, right? And they're like, "Well, thanks

[1:35:08] Oolletch, but you're [\h__\h] up. You're a nightmare. You suck. You're very dangerous." So, they locked up as well. >> Okay. >> Now, I don't know if they locked up in the same place as uh Cthics or what. Who

[1:35:21] knows? But they Oolletch is locked up somewhere. >> And um Zulujan does not believe this at all. >> Zjan's like, "This is [\h__\h] No way. That's not what happened. Uh this must

[1:35:35] >> Right. Yeah. >> Um his uncle, however, >> thank you, is like, "Maybe it did happen. Who knows? Maybe maybe there's a look." Right. Uh and we we go looking

[1:35:50] for some records of it. And in doing so, we uncover a floating mask. A floating troll mask. And this floating troll mask,

[1:36:03] >> Okay. >> Uh and the mask is like, "Oh, I don't remember who I am. I don't understand." Right. He's talking to you. >> Yeah. Exactly. And and we're all like, "Hm." And then someone mentions

[1:36:16] Oolletch. And the mask is like, "Oh, who defeated the Black Empire guy?" And he's like, "Oh, what's going on here?" And then this mask mentions that they used it as a weapon. And as soon as they mention weapon,

[1:36:29] >> Ah. >> And Zujan is like, "A weapon? That would be awesome." Here he is. Ami mask. Yeah. And he's like, "Wait, a weapon?

[1:36:41] >> That would be great. We could do with that." And just It's not a lower, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz Jean is not into the lower. He's like, "We, you know, we we >> No. Exactly. But wait, someone I can just a lower that I don't have to kind

[1:36:54] of prostate myself to. I can just like dominate them and use them as a memory. Yeah, exactly. So, uh, so we we start following this mask's instructions and we go like to like various temples and stuff and try and uncover like the

[1:37:08] history and and you know it it turns out definitely was a thing. Okay. Um, and uh and and Zujan is like really into this >> and obviously uh the uncle is like I'm >> And he's like charming and wonderful everywhere you go cuz he's brilliant and

[1:37:23] any time we spend with the other boys just fantastic. I love him so so much. >> Um but we we go and and we do all this stuff and uh we we find all these clues and stuff like that. And uh we realize that there there is like a fang of which

[1:37:40] is being kept somewhere. Oh, and you even have to go into the denim uh the uh my caverns dungeon as well. >> Okay, cool. Um >> Okay, cool. Um and uh yeah, we realize that there's

[1:37:52] this fang and it's it's hidden uh in the shrine of uh Koolie right in in Zulan. And uh as you get there, you get this lovely view of >> the big island off to the uh to the east,

[1:38:07] >> nice. >> Uh and we we go through all this process of the Fang and and you know, this mask has just been pushing. Yeah. Every time like, I don't think we should be doing this. We should go and tell uh Zujara or

[1:38:21] something like that. The mask is like, yeah, but it was Oh, I remember it's who I am or anything like that, but I remember it was this really really good it? >> So Zuljara is not in the picture, right?

[1:38:33] She's just like she's just busy. And this is another example of Zuljan kind >> Yeah. Just going off on his own and doing a thing, right? So So like, you know, we we try and break open this little kind of shrine to get the get the

[1:38:45] are like the guardian spirits like, "No, that's such a bad idea. Stop it." >> And we're like, "Well, we'll we'll we'll help him." Um, so anyway, then a >> Zuljan, >> big spoilers,

[1:39:00] >> big spoilers, >> has find found the fang of Kandu warns him that the dagger contains dark magic. >> The dagger starts to glow with terrible energy. Kanduru lunges forward to protect Zjan, but a massive explosion

[1:39:13] occurs and we black out. Zujan wakes and finds Kanduru >> Oh, >> Kuru, my favorite. My favorite. >> Dead. Zjan wakes and finds Kandu down in the blast. Zujan is shocked. The

[1:39:27] floating mask reemerges. The mask blames the death on the lower failures. It re uh reveals it is the spirit of Hex Lord Malacrass, questing, but I wanted to bury the lead on that one.

[1:39:41] >> Um, so so uh oh, wait a minute. Z Jean has the chance to finish what they started by using the dagger to claim the power of Oollettech. Zujan takes the dagger and leaves with Malacrass.

[1:39:54] >> Wait, so Mal Yeah. So yeah, so Malacras was working with Zul Jin. >> Yes. Yes. So yeah, we'll go over all this in a second, but Zjan is uh one of >> Yes. >> With Zujin from from way back. The man

[1:40:09] behind the mask. Indeed. Then we go and tell Zujara and she's like, "Oh, [\h__\h] >> And then we have to do the funeral rights you remember? >> Oh no. And like And was like

[1:40:24] >> Yeah, of course she is. >> Uh and um and that's the end of the >> Yeah. And all is like, "This is my fault. I'm really sorry. I will help you >> Wow. >> No, apart from that just being a

[1:40:39] enjoyed. >> It is a cracking little yarn. >> It is a cracking little yarn. >> It raises questions about Zuul Jean. >> Yes. >> Um, and uh, we don't have as much time

[1:40:52] planned. Sorry. But um, be a quick one. There is this thing where when I played There is this thing where when I played all the leveling on the alpha throughout uh the troll zone for me it was very much leaving Zuljan as being a baddie at

[1:41:08] fangs. It was obvious that was going to be a patch zone. He was like have to [\h__\h] with the lower. >> Wouldn't it be awesome? >> Yeah. >> I was like oh he sounds a bit like a

[1:41:20] >> I was like oh he sounds a bit like a baddie. But then it silly, but I don't think he's going to be a baddie." I think that's I think

[1:41:33] that's a really nice little story there. >> And you know, I don't know, man. >> No, you don't think so? >> I think I think it's too Well, we've already lost someone, right? We've lost

[1:41:47] >> right? We've had We've had a death. >> Mhm. Right. That's that's already >> Yeah. But isn't that to like properly villim bat Zjan though dislike? >> I don't I don't know. No, it's because he he messed up and that's okay. Like

[1:42:01] he's it's okay for him to mess up. And I think this, you know, he sees he hears think this, you know, he sees he hears about and he thinks of it as a a source >> right? It's a weapon. It's the thing that can like protect the Ammani. Mhm.

[1:42:16] >> It's a thing that can that he can harness for the Ammani to like protect his people. >> And uh that in that like impulse to try

[1:42:29] and protect people is not bad on its own. It's the way in which it's kind of being manifested. And then you know the with the whole Mal Malacrris and um Zul Jin thing you know and I I remember and I read some lines where Zjan you know he

[1:42:43] he you know memories of Zul Jin pop up a lot and he's like you know my grandfather would have understood me he would have he would have gotten me you >> well and don't forget Zjan is like explicitly based on Zuljin's design as

[1:42:55] well. So Zjara looks like just a character he's got the purple cloak. >> You know, he's got like hair and stuff like he's very obviously supposed to invoke Zjin. >> Yeah. But because of that, like there is

[1:43:08] no way that they'll just kill him off. Like he's going to be the one who takes Like he's going to be the one who takes those lessons. He faces like many of the same issues as Zul like Zul Jin. Like he can be tempted by power and like

[1:43:22] corrupting power. Yeah. But he's the one who's not going to fall for it or he's the one who's going to be helped through it by Zuljara and his friends. Like he's he, you know, his like instinct to seek out Oolletch and to harness it is um

[1:43:39] it's going to be overridden by us finding Oolletch and then us all having to band together and destroy it, right? Or something, right? I I I truly do not Or something, right? I I I truly do not believe that uh Zuljan will be killed

[1:43:51] off in in this story. I think it's I because I think it's too good. I think it's too good to end like that. It would feel stupid maybe >> Yeah. >> I he wouldn't be just be murdered. He'd

[1:44:03] >> A raid boss. Exactly. Yeah. People are like he's going to be I So yeah, I think it would be I I can't see >> but you can't see him basically being corrupted by like So I agree with you and the reason I like Zujan so much is

[1:44:16] because like he's wrong. >> Mhm. But he is coming from a good place. sympathetic place. It's like, well, dude, like everyone just pushes us around, you know? Like we're [\h__\h] nothing without these lower who

[1:44:30] >> in my mind sometimes just [\h__\h] off and leave us to deal with it. So what's the point in that? Like I just want to have agency is what he really wants, you power for power's sake because they want to be powerful and they want to like

[1:44:44] boss people around. And that's not Zjan. He's like, "We don't have agency. We don't have control over our own faith. We our own fate. We literally cannot protect ourselves." That's why he went after the lightwood. Um and and and

[1:44:57] that's why he's going after as well. So like his his motives are very I don't sympathetic. You can understand it, right? Um but he is wrong. He's right? Um but he is wrong. He's literally getting manipulated by Malikum

[1:45:10] who's who's whispering in his ear. Uh, and and it's that thing of like, okay, that is a really interesting villain backstory, villain backstory. It's still like, well, yeah, and and that's why poor old

[1:45:25] Zujam was manipulated into becoming like the raid boss in the aisle of Fangs raid >> He could become a raid boss, but then we don't kill him. fighting. >> Yeah, I think he'll definitely be a raid

[1:45:37] boss no matter what, to be honest. >> Yeah, exactly. So, I I can see him being >> Yeah, exactly. So, I I can see him being a a raid boss for sure, but I don't see him being killed. I don't see him being like, you know, yeed out of the story.

[1:45:49] >> No, I hope not. And I I I really hope like even if he does just turn out to be >> Mhm. >> He's still a very interesting villain, >> I don't think he's going to be a villain.

[1:46:02] like him. >> Yeah. I really No, exactly. And villains can be likable. Villains can be cool. He's not a villain. He's just a good >> Yeah. >> And he's messing up along the way. No,

[1:46:14] me. >> And I think the one saving grace, the one kind of like hope that I have that he'll get through all of this and be better for it rather than dead for it >> is how much play they've made on his

[1:46:29] support for his sister. M like you got that whole short story, you know, where time, right? And >> and she has his >> Yeah. Exactly. And and you know, she's not there going, "Oh, he's gone too far

[1:46:44] >> Yeah. >> You know, and and >> again like I I get it. I get it. And find him such a nuanced and interesting character. And I the more I think about

[1:46:59] because I also think that Talion is a character that has been unfairly maligned by a large part of the community. I actually think his story is satisfying than people are giving it credit for.

[1:47:12] credit for. >> I love that scene between him and Sujan in the questing. That's like full cinematic as well. And I think that's cinematic as well. And I think that's two very nuanced characters who should

[1:47:24] remain nuanced and and who and I think it's just great. I I like him anyway because he gives a great performance. Like the voice actor does a great job. >> Um and yeah, I I really want to >> I really want to see him I don't want to

[1:47:37] of his death or whatever. >> No, no, I don't think he's going to die. Oh, I was wrong. So now I'm going to sacrifice myself to save the hero and my sister and stuff. I don't want that. >> That doesn't ring true to me. Exactly.

[1:47:49] >> Exactly. >> Um and I No, I want him I want him to go on a journey. I want him to like instantly realize that releasing tech was the wrong thing to do or whatever and then join us in the raid or

[1:48:02] going to do right by everyone. >> That's what I want. That's what I really >> I can get that. I get that. >> I mean I I guess Malacras might be a >> That would be that would be pretty cool. Everything is is kind of lined up for

[1:48:17] Kithix to be a boss in the raid as well. And honestly, that's who I want to be the final boss of the raid. >> Kithics. I want a big [\h__\h] black empire. >> As tentacle guy just slapping you with

[1:48:29] >> Absolutely. I want to be a dragon riding boss. I want him to like bust out of the mountain or something and be like we're like flying around. I don't [\h__\h] know. Dropping snakes on him like I

[1:48:41] heard you hate snakes. Yeah, that would be really really cool. Um, so yeah, like I I love uh so I mean but there's that thing of like yeah I to be Oolletch but who is Ulletch there to defeat, right? Who is Ullettech

[1:48:56] maybe buried with right and that's Kith and I just think Kith would be a much cooler final boss than especially like if those models that they use in that >> Yeah, >> the tech doesn't look so great

[1:49:10] like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um, I think that's really cool. Yeah, I think think they're going to kill him. >> Okay, I guess like I I hope you're right. I really hope you're right.

[1:49:25] be an ally in the fight against Kithix. Like maybe we have to fight Oolletch to >> Yeah. Or maybe we set Oolletch free. control her or it >> I guess she's been unfairly imprisoned

[1:49:39] >> Yeah. Okay. I get this. And so like we we actually use her in the fight against >> in the fight against Kith. Oh, wouldn't that be great if they like recreate the >> So like the final boss fight is Kith fighting with Ulyc and we're like flying

[1:49:54] around kind of like I don't know enabling a big cannon or like whatever or like to actually like nail or like zap them both to the rift of Alm or >> that would be cool.

[1:50:06] >> They should have got me on board earlier. I can save this bra. Okay, Blizz, don't villain bat my boy. I get it's probably too late at this point if you have already. It's been written and made, but don't do it.

[1:50:20] >> Well, I'm glad we're in agreement. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like we all I wish people talked about that for a bit longer considering to it in the next one in the in the weekly reset maybe.

[1:50:32] >> Yeah. Or or certainly when 12.1 or when 12.0.7 0.7 comes out >> because I think there's some really interesting uh discussions around like the stories in Midnight around like like

[1:50:44] belief like what what different characters believe in you know Talion Yria Zuljan like you know do we believe in these like gods loas powers or do we

[1:50:56] do things ourselves you know or is there you know do we need to believe in the >> well and like another very very strong theme uh that I heard um Discordian Kitty mention actually. Oh yeah. was another strong theme in Midnight is

[1:51:11] obviously like you know finding the balance between various forces >> and you know like obviously a lot the very obvious one is light and void right >> but then you've also got that dynamic between Zuljara and uh Zjan like they

[1:51:27] are very opposing forces >> but they're kin and they look out for backs and like this could be another case of like learning to balance those forces right that fit in the midnight and I think that's really really cool.

[1:51:41] >> Awesome. Okay. Well, let's go on to the super chats then and we will come back super chats then and we will come back to this I'm sure at various times turn the spoiler off now. >> Yay. Spoiler is off. It is super chat

[1:51:53] time. Uh thank you so much to Kaio Fernandez. Lovely to see you. Hi guys. thank you for the Ammani question in the interview about them becoming available for players. I have hope. Give us Ammani playable Blaze. Yes.

[1:52:08] >> Yes. I agree. >> I want to look like Zuljara. >> She looks awesome. >> You know, we basically been told they're not making them customization options for the dark spear.

[1:52:20] being full on >> like Allied race. >> Yeah, >> I'm in. >> Uh, thank you, Cleo. Next one is from Mr. Bacon and Mr. Bacon and Legs. Thank

[1:52:34] you so much. David Atenburgh turns 100 on the 8th. That's tomorrow. >> You can day. You can do it, bro. >> Oh, >> like, so I did a play with Michael Atenburgh directing, who is his uh

[1:52:49] Atenburgh's old dude. >> Yeah. Like >> David Adam, we are absolutely spoiled by how much David Adam has like produced for us in his lifetime. It's a It's kind of crazy. It's like kind of impossible

[1:53:02] >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Because you're >> Yes. >> Um Yeah. So, happy early birthday, Mr. Atenburgh. Uh next one is from SSM

[1:53:16] Shawn. Sean, US. Cheers. Thank you, Sean. It's so good to see you, too. Lovely to have you here. Um and then we've got a lovely little suphat from Torinax. Hello,

[1:53:29] Torinax. lovely neighborhood guild friend. Good to see you. And a team Lovely to see you. Look at that little cadar. >> He's going to start changing colors. >> Oh,

[1:53:43] >> in a few weeks he's Yeah. On purpose. >> Yeah. Like every month. >> Every month he gets a different like he he turns a different color which is month. >> Ex Well, exactly. the longer you have

[1:53:56] your membership, the long like you know he will go through the cycle of like common, you know, rare up until legendary, right? Like we'll see how long that'll take. Next one is from Pepsil. Lovely to see you Pepsil. I woke

[1:54:09] and the first thing I heard was Evie saying, "Team, Never ever change who you are." Thank you, Pepsil. That is lovely. It's really >> can I can I actually just go to a comment in the chat here before we carry

[1:54:23] really good comment. I'm not I'm not going to argue with it. Obviously Zujan shouldn't get killed but if a character was concepted to be a villain from the beginning that's not a villain batting that is a character arc and I agree.

[1:54:37] >> I would argue that like sometimes the opposite can happen. So sometimes you just get a character and they decide to villain bat them and it's like we need a them angry. Make something happen to them that makes them angry. They're a

[1:54:49] baddie now, basically. Um, and that's not what you're right. We're not we're not quite using the term villain back correctly with with uh Zjan, but Zjan's turned into such an interesting character. I would I guess a famous

[1:55:02] recent example of this is Gary from uh Stranger Things, right? >> Uh who's Gary? >> You know, the guy with the hair >> like the dude like main guy from Stranger Things, the older guy.

[1:55:15] >> Yeah, the guy with the hair. the original like girlfriend boyfriend of >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, he was concepted to be a baddie. He was concepted to be like a villain. He was concepted to be killed

[1:55:28] >> uh in the first season. But during the production of the first season of of um like uh Stranger Things like they saw that the guy had such charisma and he did something with the

[1:55:40] character which they hadn't expected. And they always liked Steve, not Gary. let me make my point otherwise you're going to be late. And they all just liked the character so much that they decided not to kill him, not to have him

[1:55:53] as a baddie and just get like this redemption through the rest of the uh Gary. >> Is that what it is? It doesn't matter. interesting. That's a fair point. >> I would argue that's what we've got with

[1:56:05] was concepted to be a baddie, he's too interesting just to make him a baddie. >> Yeah. Also, you know, there's kind of a history of killing off like horde just kind of >> Well, I also saw this Reddit thread. I

[1:56:18] like the Reddit thread is from the midnight reveal. >> And it's got like a picture of it's like, oh, we meet Zu Jin's grandkids >> and it's like and and like obviously it's like guess

[1:56:32] >> Guess which one between the two of them, right? Yeah. Exactly. Um the next one is from Omadan. Lovely to see you Omad. Now that 12.0.7 is known, let's revisit this prediction. Will Paladin races expand in midnight? I'm getting nervous on this

[1:56:47] >> so obvious. >> It was it was mentioned. It was not promised, but it was feel like Maria Hamilton was like, you can you can expect, you know, light worshippers to expand their ranks or something where

[1:57:03] >> Yeah. >> Not pulling punches on this. >> Not pulling punches on this. >> No. If Maria Hamilton [\h__\h] me on this, >> Oh dear. >> Don't [\h__\h] me on this one, Maria.

[1:57:18] >> Yeah, I I feel like it has to be. I feel like it has to be. Okay, sorry, we got to fly through these because I have to go in a couple minutes. Uh, Vomax, thank Uh, played since vanilla WoW and honestly, content is coming way too

[1:57:31] fast. The game needs downtime from urgent gameplay. Older content matter. It feels like WoW expects you to only play WoW. I'm not I can't disagree with think that's fair. If you're trying to balance other games with WoW, especially

[1:57:45] >> I think that's I think it's hard work. >> It is it is a fine line. I I I would I only expects you to play WoW because like the discussion that we had is like

[1:57:57] what do you need to do to keep up to date power-wise with your character compared to like BFA? barely anything, you know, like gearing your characters, keeping your characters like raid ready or mythic plus ready is way easier than

[1:58:11] it's ever been. There's load like so WoW doesn't expect WoW to be the only game that you play. >> I think what WoW is trying to do is it's trying to be the only game you want to play if you want. So, like the stuff you

[1:58:24] have to do in WoW, there's less of it now, like compared to something like BFA you know, to keep your player, keep your character up to date. But if you want to you want to do this thing to get that thing, you want to do this thing to get

[1:58:38] that thing, you can >> like, but you don't have to. >> So, like I I I I would I would say that BFA or Shadowlands was trying to be the only game you played way more. >> I got you. And like I I would say that

[1:58:52] since Dragonfly and I'd say this is the pinnacle of that kind of philosophy is WoW is like making it easier to not be the only game that it plays but still enough stuff where it could be if you wanted to be sort of thing. And I think

[1:59:05] I think that's that's a noble aim and intention. Um so I and again I think it about you don't have to do it. >> Yeah. >> That's right. Uh, >> you're just gonna have to go and pick

[1:59:18] >> I know. I have to get No. And I This is This is a dud. I can't wait. >> No, >> I'm just I'm just for school. >> We We'll get there when we get there. Um, Joe, you love Thank you so much. I

[1:59:31] bugged. Stock first. >> Oh no. exactly. Stuff like that will derail you, right? And it's like totally Oh my god. If I finally spend the 30 seconds it's

[1:59:46] >> one day when I'm like okay I'm finally there. I'm finally ready to do Anglers like [\h__\h] butt. >> I can imagine right now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Joe. Uh next one is from Pepsil.

[2:00:02] Um thanks Pepsil. Give me the odds for the following. 12.1 gives all druins and shamans the ability to unlock Ammani druid forms like Valoa and totems. If we can't unlock a race, this at least fills a gap.

[2:00:16] >> I don't think it will happen. I love the idea, don't get me wrong. I love the idea. If I look, if it was me and not Ian, >> I'd say yes. >> Okay. And not one of those lying yeses.

[2:00:29] >> Yeah. >> But we'd be doing big things with druids But uh I I don't think they're going to go for that. But I really like it as an >> Yeah. >> Uh thank you for that one. Next one is

[2:00:42] from Melodia as herself. Lovely to see you, Melodia. Hi, Tanny. I used to say I you, Melodia. Hi, Tanny. I used to say I mained Warlock, but now I made

[2:00:54] to see in the game? >> Well, the square dable rug is coming into like, oh, holy [\h__\h] Am I excited about the square dyable rug? Yes, I >> I would like to see more like picture frames. I would like to see more um

[2:01:11] customizable or that, you know, that give you a base to kind of play with. >> I would like to see more utensils. >> Oh, utensils would be like, you know, there are like work tools coming into 12. Open as well, like forks and spades

[2:01:26] and like uh saws and [\h__\h] Love that [\h__\h] More of that kind of stuff. Like stuff like sauce pans and uh frying pans and like more day-to-day uh household items and stuff like that. As far as as far as long-term,

[2:01:40] >> obviously what I really want to see is more interactable items with more specific interactions maybe that can interact with other items. So like I you know there are interactable items already like doors and uh like some

[2:01:53] and do a little animation. I'd love to see way more stuff like that so that you can create little experiences really that um so like this the sliding bookcase. Brilliant. More kind of stuff like that. Um, and I I wouldn't be able

[2:02:08] to tell you what I want from that. I I need to be surprised. Like those things can tell you is I want more interactable things. >> Oh, and water blocks. >> Oh, water like

[2:02:21] very limiting. >> Flip it into anything then. >> Like so a round like a kind of cylindrical water block, a square, jump into and swim and then jump into and Okay. But you place it in stuff. So

[2:02:36] like you create a like a circle of rocks and stuff and put it in there. Some water jumping puddle like we've got floating water in the game already so >> Yeah. >> Um next one is from I sell cabbages.

[2:02:48] Lovely to see you cabbages. Good morning Tiny. You both look lovely today. Oh, to watch this podcast later today. >> Thank you friend. Always good to see >> buddy. Um next one is a super chat from aka Lady Boss and AK Lady Boss. Welcome

[2:03:03] to the team. Welcome. We got a new team member today. Congratulations, aka Lady Boss, on your uh new assortment of emotes which you can use in this very chat. I feel like emotes are being greatly underutilized. I'm really sorry.

[2:03:19] Don't make Don't make my wife sad by not using your emotes. >> Use your power. Use the power given to you, my friends. Um thank you so much uh uh like a lady boss. Really good to have you uh on board. And let me pull up the

[2:03:34] super chats again because I lost them because I put some emotes in chat. Um, yay. Lovely. That makes me happy to see. Um, next one is from Yaku. Uh, I'm not doing PvP instead housing. I got to win 84 84 more cop mus for an offer.

[2:03:48] >> Yeah, I'm doing PvP because of housing. Maybe we'll use it for our our kind of title next week. But there's a lot of is housing done? Are people just not not doing housing right now?

[2:04:03] kidding? >> It's like oh has housing failed the people falling off houses is doing exactly what it's supposed to do. >> I think people people are just like oh there's no like chatter about this you

[2:04:16] know. Yeah there there angry about stuff on the shop and fair enough. So like yeah I >> no no no we well this is a topic we need to get into a bit more. Um yeah thank you Yaku. I love that. Uh next one's

[2:04:30] from Moxen. Lovely to see you all as always. Moxen also a lovely member of said that they're gathering all trollkin and telling them that they are all descendants of her. Yeah, possibly stealing a core identity from trolls

[2:04:43] that ruins the lore for me. >> Oh, well, you'll have enjoyed the you've been nodding with agreement sagely. I'll expound on it just a bit to reserve judgment until we actually see the cinematic because, you know,

[2:04:57] we're going by assumptions here. >> Just text you. Um, but yeah, otherwise I on this channel I've always been a firm advocate of when >> Azeroth appears and is born, >> you know, you see all these

[2:05:10] that [\h__\h] is a troll, to appear and she'll be a troll. I think if it happened tomorrow or the end of she's going to be haraneer, isn't she?

[2:05:22] >> I don't want that. I want her to be a troll. I know her are just cool trolls, >> same trolls are so fundamental to like the identity of this game. Like it would I said in the weekly reset when we're talking about these quests. I didn't say

[2:05:36] it just now, but like you are reminded doing these quests. Troll content is the best content in WoW. >> Like I'm not even like my favorite race the Forsaken. They're amazing and I love like General Alliance vibes as well, but

[2:05:50] doesn't matter what race you are. Going around troll [\h__\h] like uh temples and underground things and just having whole vibe of troll [\h__\h] is just like wow to a tea. It doesn't get more wow

[2:06:04] it. I love troll [\h__\h] More troll [\h__\h] Always good. >> Um, another one from Moxen. Thank you, Moxen. Drug bar missing, too. All >> troll there's a whole Yeah, whole load of that. Uh, next one is from Denzy

[2:06:18] Reviews. Thank you for the super chat. Thanks, Tally, for being an awesome those of us who are navigating manhood for the first time, a newly out trans >> Thank you. That's a really nice thing to say. Thank you. Oh,

[2:06:33] >> a >> a best of luck to you, Danzy. Um, next one is from Prenet. Uh, thoughts. Subscription price has not changed in over 20 years. I think this shop enables that and we as players benefit from it.

[2:06:46] It comforts me when I start to feel it comforts me when I start to feel icky have an increase. >> We've had two increases in the last 10 years in the UK. >> Um but

[2:06:59] >> yeah, I get what I get your point. I get what you're saying. Um >> I've always tried to be ambivalent towards the store. I don't like it. stuff with gold and that's true. Half steel is like a line crossed for me. So,

[2:07:13] like I'm all for them making money out of housing, you know? Like, I get it. Of course, I get it. Like, it's the world we live in right now. You constantly matter. Like, you could be making billions of pounds a year. If they want

[2:07:26] two billion, then you're [\h__\h] And and like, you got to do what you got to do. Uh, but Hearth Steel is just so grubby and dirty and also actually I I just not useful either. I don't think I Whatever. That's my That's my V. But I do I do

[2:07:40] take your I do take your point. I still think as hobbies go, >> wow is a very cheap hobby hobby. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know what? We get a lot. >> I do agree with that. And like you you realize that more as you get older, I

[2:07:52] >> if I was a teenager and having to pay for this [\h__\h] by myself. Yeah. I I I >> Yeah. >> Uh thank you for that one. Next one is >> I didn't say congratulations to Danzene. I should have said I I was too I was too

[2:08:06] like thrilled with my compliment. I was enjoying my compliments so much I forgot >> Yeah, >> on living your best [\h__\h] life. >> Yeah, seriously. Um, next one is from Just a member of the team.

[2:08:19] >> Hey Justin. >> Uh, yay. Up early enough for Talson and Dust Lord Everel this week. I have to get it now, don't I? Um, always happy to Oh, lovely to see you just be. Thank you for joining us and tuning in. Uh, next

[2:08:33] one, another member 100% non bundas. Good morning, fam. What are the chances we are being deceived again? And like Devour Demon Hunter, we really will get Ammani. Also got my midcourse short. I really like it. It's super soft. Yeah.

[2:08:45] >> Oh, I'm so glad you like it. Woo. Yeah. >> That's awesome. >> Nice. Well, and I'm glad it's soft. It is pretty soft. The one I got is is soft, too. So, um glad you're enjoying. Yeah. I hope we get Ammani. I hope it

[2:08:58] customizations, I don't think. But >> No, but as an allied race Yeah. I I >> Yeah. Yeah, >> I I want to see it. Uh, another one from

[2:09:10] uh just V. Thank you. Opinion. It's not too much content, it's variety. Not everything is for everyone. It's nice that endgame can now uh be more now than farm old [\h__\h] for those not wanting or able to push mythic plus or raid. I

[2:09:25] expanding the concept of endgame. >> But I don't and here's the thing. I don't blame players for feeling overwhelmed because we just like I said you've got your wow brain on it's impossible to see [\h__\h] like that looks

[2:09:40] whole bunch of void things you have to kill that must be important right it's not you don't have to do it like but it is there is a major sea change that we done that sea change >> uh and players haven't quite caught up

[2:09:53] yeah >> I think so I think that's part of it um next one from iconography a lovely channel member. Thank you so much. Iconography. Uh the 10th anniversary compilation of cold hopens was

[2:10:05] heartening to revisit. Loved revisiting those and seeing Tally Dad joining in on you iconography. I'm glad you enjoyed that one. We enjoyed putting that one Good feelings. >> I I just feel bad about some of the ones

[2:10:18] >> There's so there's so many. >> We're just literally all of them because >> But yeah, I feel really proud that I've you know we've got weekly resets with my dad in. We've got it with my brother in. We've got it with my with with Annie in,

[2:10:31] lovely. Yeah, it's fun. >> It's a nice like record, isn't it? >> Um, next one is from Moraurice Maximilliano. Thank you, friend. Sadly it. Having lunch later, but sending love from Brazil. Yay, Brazil mentioned.

[2:10:46] >> I love it. Love to see it. Thank you, friend. Hope you enjoy watching later. Um, next one is from Disappointed Buddha. I don't think Zuljan would die character arc if he was the one to free Ulletch freeing Aloa.

[2:11:00] >> Oolletch not Aloa but yes. >> Well, you know, he he thinks of as Aloa, right? You know, but you know what is Aloa, right? Like what is you know, I interesting. >> The thing we were talking about about

[2:11:13] >> Yeah. >> Maybe or fighting her to get her on side Clifix. >> Mhm. This actually adds a really interesting spin to all of this because it would actually if kithics is released

[2:11:29] unrelated toolk >> then all of this makes zujan right. >> Okay. Because it's like no we did need to get out again. It's like we do >> not to control not to control. Maybe it's that balance of like well we rely

[2:11:44] on the lower but also like things working out pretty well too and that thing of like well actually isn't it lucky that Zuljan went looking for uh >> We we needed it. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I think that could definitely

[2:11:58] >> Yeah, I think there's something to that. Absolutely. Um and then finally to wrap things up we have uh Mr. Bacon and Legs has joined the team. Welcome Mr. Bacon and Legs. Use your emote power wisely. I love it. Moxen has gifted 10 memberships

[2:12:15] to members of the community. You guys now have the power. Thank you, Moxen. support. It's amazing. And, um, congratulations to all you guys. Welcome to the team. You know, you get 10% off merchandise. 10% off those. Uh, yeah, I

[2:12:30] it's a whole thing, babe. I had to come up with perks. >> Um, that is among the perks. Congrats, guys. Uh, and then finally, Stephanie. Stephanie Eland also joining the team. Thank you. Oh, lovely to see it. Oh,

[2:12:45] bobbing around. And then they're going to start changing colors. Oh, I'm Oh, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Anyway, on that note, um, thank you so much, really, really fun podcast. Even though we didn't get to talk about Ziljan very

[2:13:00] though. >> It was a good conversation. I enjoyed about it at some point, I think. So absolutely we're going to go now. I'm kids, but when I come back I might uh stream on. So keep an eye out. Yeah. Um

[2:13:14] so thank you for joining us everyone on uh YouTube and uh Twitter Twitch and also in uh the podcast listening platforms as well. We will see you for we're LFG this weekend in London. Come along. Say hi.

[2:13:27] >> Come to LFG if you're there. We will be there. Come say hi. >> It's taken us like three years to get to LFG. We're going to do it. It's going to >> Oh, very nice. >> I might just do it. Guys, until next

[2:13:40] >> and me ever. Bye >> bye. >> bye. >> Bye bye bye.

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